Re: Bash Prompt in an XTerm

[Benoit Goudreault-Emond]

>From: Travis Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Bash Prompt in an XTerm
[snip]
>This works fine when I am at the console as a normal user but as root I only
>get:
>
>atheist#

Check root's .bash_profile (and possibly .bashrc).  It is probably
overriding the default prompt.

>In XFree86 it gives me:
>
>bash-2.00$
>
>I can live with the way root's prompt as I try to use root very little but I
>would like to change the prompt in my XTerms.
>
>What file would I edit to do this?  I tried adding this to my .bash_profile
>and looked through the bash man page.  I would also like to make these changes
>global.

How do you start your xterms?  Through a window manager menu, I would
presume.  You may have to add the '-ls' switch to the xterm command line to
make it a login shell (though I'm sure this affects the .bash_profile file,
I don't know about /etc/profile).

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Re: just how bad is Fortran?

[Bob Nielsen]

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues wrote:

> Sorry, I can't resist ;-)
> 
> fortran (77) is horrible. Well, it _was_ ok, Backus was a pioneer, etc. But we
> are in the end of the '90s (and I thought only *my* profs were forcing
> students to use it!)

But it sure beats the Fortran II of the '60s.  

(Hey, there are still some of us old guys around who used to use that
stuff.)

Bob


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Re: HELP!! PLEASE!!

[KillMadDog]

how do I do that?!?!
I need the CD-ROM to even install linux!!


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Re:

[Sam92989]

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Re: just how bad is Fortran?

[Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues]

Rick Hawkins writes:
 > I don't mean fortran in generall, i mean the available linux versions.

>From what I've read so far, Linux fortran tools aren't exactly state of the
art (as you know, chances are that gcc is going to optmize your code much
better).

 > I'm familiar with Fortran, C, C++, etc., and the coding for fortran is
 > far more efficient for what i'm doing: it comes down to applying
 > functions to arrays.

You mean performance wise? Do you have some numbers? It's an interesting
comparison... As for the numerical libs, are there some you can't find in C?

 > I also may have the world's only project that really calls  for an Object
 > Fortran :)

Good luck with your project,

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Re: How Linux (and Debian) compare?

[Jim Pick]

> It'd be interesting to know how many active Debian systems there are out
> there!  

Me too.  There was some discussion on debian-private a few months ago
about writing a package that would collect stats about the systems
it was installed on - and send them via e-mail to a central server that 
would summarize them.  Of primary interest would be what packages were 
installed.  It might be nice to collect info on the number of users,
and what types of hardware is being used.

Of course, there is some danger in doing this.  In particular, the
information could be used to detect security vulnerabilities (I'm
going to have to address this with dwww too).  

There is also the confidentiality aspect:  I wouldn't want the information
published in a raw non-summarized format - since that might be used
by commercial types to target me in some marketing database.

A "dfeedback" package would be a nice little project for someone to 
tackle, if they are comfortable with the issues.  Having some statistics
would definitely make it easier for people to make business decisions
related to Debian products and marketing.  I'm also interested in seeing
how many people have dwww installed.  :-)

Cheers,

 - Jim




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Kudo's and Question

[mike]

First of all I would like to thank the Debian development team on
another fine job done.  Yesterday I took my in-production mail/pop/RADIUS
server for our entire ISP (300+users small but climbing :) and upgraded to
Debian 1.3.1  The upgrade was as smooth as one could imagine with only one
hitch (that wasn't due to Debian anyways).  now for the question ;>

Currently I'm running kernel 2.0.6, and haven't noticed any major
problems with it.  I normally stick to the "If it 'ain't broke, don't fix
it" rule, but I'm wondering if there are any reasons to go to say a 2.0.30
kernel.  Occasionally some TCP connections hang (mostly cfingerd) but reset
in a day or two, other than that I have no complaint.  So, anybody else
out there has some advice/warnings?

TIA,
mike...

Micro$oft, what do you want to spend today?


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Re: How Linux (and Debian) compare?

[Kevin Traas]

> Also, do we have any specifics on the number of systems currently running
> Debian?  If so are those numbers broken down by year?  Is there a way
that
> this sort of tracking could be automated within Debian's installation
> routines?  We need to blow our own horn if we can generate reliable
numbers
> that come anywhere near those listed in the article!!

It'd be interesting to know how many active Debian systems there are out
there!  

> PS  My wife and I currently have 4 Intel systems running Debian, 1 DEC
Alpha
>   running RedHat and three Etherminals (X terminals running Linux from
>   EEPROM/NVRAM) in our two businesses.  With more Etherminals on the
way...

I've only been using Debian Linux for about 11 months now; however, I've
currently got 7 "production" and 2 more-or-less "development" machines
running Debian GNU/Linux 1.2.x - 1.3.x and all are connected to the
Internet.  All are acting as dial-on-demand "routers", mail servers, etc.
for roughly 200 users or so (I've never actually counted...).

Not bad for less than a year  Oh, and I've only ever "registered" one
of these systems

later,

Kevin Traas Baan Business Systems
Systems Analyst Langley, BC, Canada
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Re: just how bad is Fortran?

[Rick Hawkins]

> 
> fortran (77) is horrible. Well, it _was_ ok, Backus was a pioneer, etc. But we
> are in the end of the '90s (and I thought only *my* profs were forcing
> students to use it!)

> You will be much better writing your code in ANSI C (pointers aren't difficult
> once you get to know them).

I don't mean fortran in generall, i mean the available linux versions.

I'm familiar with Fortran, C, C++, etc., and the coding for fortran is
far more efficient for what i'm doing:  it comes down to applying
functions to arrays.  I also may have the world's only project that
really calls  for an Object Fortran :)

The question is really whether the fortran tools available are good
enough for real work.

rick


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Re: just how bad is Fortran?

[Norris Preyer]

> "Adriano" == Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Adriano> Sorry, I can't resist ;-) fortran (77) is horrible. Well,
Adriano> it _was_ ok, Backus was a pioneer, etc. But we are in the
Adriano> end of the '90s (and I thought only *my* profs were
Adriano> forcing students to use it!)

Adriano> You will be much better writing your code in ANSI C
Adriano> (pointers aren't difficult once you get to know them).

Adriano> Regards,

Adriano> -- Adriano

I agree that Fortran 77 is pretty awful, but there is a Fortran 90
that seems *very* nice.  Is anyone working on a gpl'ed version of
this?

--Norris

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broke dpkpg files :-( help?

[Bob Billson]

Messing around with my machine this afternoon, I broke the files in
/var/lib/dpkg somehow.

Although the system is still intact and stable, dselect thinks nothing is
installed.  How do I used dpkg to rebuild the appropriate files so dselect
and dpkg are happy again?

I seem to remember someone asking a similar question when the last few
months.  However, searching the mail list archives didn't turn up
anything.

Help?Thanks.

Bob
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Re: just how bad is Fortran?

[Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues]

Sorry, I can't resist ;-)

fortran (77) is horrible. Well, it _was_ ok, Backus was a pioneer, etc. But we
are in the end of the '90s (and I thought only *my* profs were forcing
students to use it!)

You will be much better writing your code in ANSI C (pointers aren't difficult
once you get to know them).

Regards,

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Re: News Server self-mutilation

[Jack Holt]

If you are using a pentium motherboard that has the VX, TX, or anything
but the HX chipset, you can slow down your computer by as much as 5% by
putting in more than 64 Mb of RAM, since VX and TX can only cache upto   
64 Mb. Ths solution, either get a HX board or a board with VIA chipset.

Sorry for the off-topic reply.


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On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Daniel Laffin wrote:

>
>I guess this is question night.  I added an addtional 64 megs of RAM to my
>news server making it 128 total.  I also put in another 256K cache to
>total 512K.  Now the load is on average twice as high?  I dont follow that
>at all.  
>
>-Dan
>
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Re: first experience with defrag: have slight problem.

[Stephen C. Tweedie]

Hi,

On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:22:28 -0400 (EDT), "James D. Freels"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> I have installed the Debian defrag v 0.61-1 package and tried it out.

> I have successfully e2defrag on sdc1, sdb2, and sdb1 by booting in
> single user mode [at lilo prompt, 'linux single'], and first umount
> these partitions.  However, I cannot defrag sda1 nor sda2 since I
> cannot umount these first.  I also tried booting with Debian rescue
> disk, going into the shell, copying e2defrag onto the ramdisk, and
> attempting a defrag of these partitions from there.  defrag will not
> run since still does not have everything it needs [probably libc5 ?]

> I don't think I really want to defrag the root partition (sda1) anyway
> do I?  How could I defrag sda2 (which I would like to do)?

Hmm --- if defrag is still missing stuff, it's most likely to be the
terminfo / ncurses code used to drive the full-screen display.  Try
compiling it statically and copying the relevant terminfo file to your
root floppy set.  Alternatively, the next version of defrag may have
an option to disable the full-screen display at compile time and to
automatically compile statically, for use on root floppies.

Cheers,
 Stephen.


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Re: naming convention question

[Rick Hawkins]

> "unreleased-1.3" and "unreleased-2.0" would be more useful and less
> confusing.

but not nearly so cool :)

besides, this way they stay buzz, bo, hamm, etc. after release, and the
symlinks for stable & unstable are just changed.

rick


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Re: naming convention question

[jghasler]

Buddha Buck writes:
> It was seen that one reason for this was that someone looking at the FTP
> site, seeing a directory with a numbered version would think that that
> version was ready for release.  A policy decision was made to name
> releases while in development, and only number them when released.

> The current naming schema we are using is the names of characters from
> the Pixar computer animated feature film "Toy Story".

"unreleased-1.3" and "unreleased-2.0" would be more useful and less
confusing.

John Hasler
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EISA Setup utility for Linux?

[Camm Maguire]

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted as well.

Greetings!  We have an EISA system performing some increasingly
critical tasks.  On the rare occasion of a loss of CMOS power, the
BIOS won't recognize the SCSI card controlling the root filesystem,
forcing me to locate those old DOS configuration utility floppies to
reset the EISA bus configuration.  Is there any way I can do this
under Linux?  I think that I can save an image of my BIOS somehow and
reload it under a Linux system booted from a rescue floppy.  Anyone
know if all the EISA bus information could be stored and retrieved in
this way?

Thanks!
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Re: just how bad is Fortran?

[Alex Romosan]

we are using a combination of f2c and a package called f77reorder
(available from http://www-hermes.desy.de/ww/f77prob.html) to compile
fortran programs initially written on sgi's without problems. you can
get both these packages in debian format by anonymous ftp from my
computer, caliban.lbl.gov in pub/debian. they require libc6-dev but
you can always roll your own if you still have libc5-dev (just get the
sources and recompile).

on a sort of related note, does anybody know what happened with f2c
for debian. the version available in debian is rather old so i've been
rolling my own for a while now. is this an orphaned package (or do
people just don't care about fortran any more?)?.

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just how bad is Fortran?

[Rick Hawkins]

As i prepare to launch back into coding, is anyone familiar with just
how bad the Fortran support is?  or is that all a myth?

I really need as much performance as I can get, and the low level stuff
in c/c++ is gross overkill for my usage.  The low-level stuff built into
other languages took about 2/3 of my time.

So is g77 or something else usable, or do I need to go to a c?

rick


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Re: Compiling the Kernel

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

Here follows the readme file for kernel-package, which should
 help creating your own kernel image deb package.

manoj


$Id: README,v 1.3 1997/06/25 07:33:26 srivasta Exp $

This is the Debian Linux packaging scripts for the Linux kernel. 
This package has been put together by Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.


INSTALLATION NOTES:

To use this package to create kernel-image packages, you need to get
the kernel source (available from your favorite Linux archive),
unpack your kernel somewhere. Preferably somewhere other than
/usr/src/linux (more on this later).

Before you go any further, please allow me to point out that you need to
have a few other packages installed before you can compile your own kernels
(it is difficult to compile anything without a compiler ;-). 

Firstly, you will need gcc, the libc development package (libc5-dev at
the time of writing), and, on Intel platforms, bin86. [If you use the
menuconfig target of make, you will need ncursesX.X-dev, and make xconfig
also requires tkX.X-dev, and other packages these depend on]

The packages suggested are:
devel:gcc, libc5-dev, binutils, make, and, for intel x86 platforms,
  bin86 (non-intel platforms don't need this).
interpreters: gawk.
base: gzip, shellutils, and grep.

Of course, pretty gui front ends to kernel configuration require more
packages, but they are not strictly essential (though quite nice really). 


 For the Brave and the impatient:
1% cd 
2% make config   # or make menuconfig or make xconfig and configure
3% make-kpkg clean
4% make-kpkg -r=custom.1.0 kernel_image
5% dpkg -i ../kernel-image-X.XXX_1.0_.deb
6% shutdown -r now # If and only if LILO worked or you have a means of
   # booting the new kernel. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!

 
Unpacking kernel sources:
-

On a debian system, /usr/src/linux always either contains 
include/{linux,asm} or points to a directory which contains
those subdirectories, usually a directory with the full kernel
source or a directory with just the kernel headers.

Debian has standardized on /usr/src/linux being a link (that is the
case if you install released debian kernel packages, and has been
for a while now).

If you like living on the edge and compiling your own kernel 
packages ;-), you have to follow the convention of letting
/usr/src/linux be a link, and unpack the pristine kernel sources
someplace else.

Some of the suggestions about where to unpack the kernel packages are
a) /tmp/linux
b) /var/tmp/linux
c) /usr/src/linux-X.X.XX; where X.X.XX is the version number of the
   kernel. Remember to re-link /usr/src/linux to point to this
   directory, like: (cd /usr/src; rm linux; ln -s linux-X.X.XX) 

In any case, choose a partition that has a large amount of free space,
since recent kernels, unpacked, run to about 23MB, and you need more
than double that in order to create kernel-image, kernel-source, and
the tar file (that is, if you choose to build everything together with
the dist target in debian.rules -- say if you want, for whatever
reason, to run dchanges on the files created). I needed nearly 60MB to
create the full spectrum of packages for version 1.99.7 (and doubtless
this size will go up in the future).

Now, cd linux (wherever you have created the kernel sources).

The version number is deduced from the kernel Makefile directly. to
ensure that the version numbers are in sync(1), so you don't have to
worry about that.

It has been suggested that you renumber the revision number in such a
way that a generic kernel image package will not override the custom
package while using dselect (or dpkg -BOGiE). You may also do this on the
fly by setting the DEBIAN_REVISION environmental variable.

The revision number (the argument supplied after the --revision flag)
has certain constraints: it may contain only alphanumerics and the
characters + . (full stop, and plus) and should contain a digit.
NOTE: No hyphens allowed. (Look at Chapter 5 of the Programmers manual
for details)

This is because dpkg imposes an ordering on version numbers, so that
it can tell whether packages are being up or downgraded and so that
dselect can tell whether a package it finds available is newer than
the one installed on the system.

I've found that using a two-level scheme where the major level starts
with a letter nicely does the job, (--revision custom.Y, so the image
package become kernel-image-X.X.XX-custom.Y.deb), and dselect and dpkg
-BOGiE will refuse to downgrade to a generic kernel (don't give the
BGO arguments to dpkg if you actually do want to downgrade later).


You may also place long term directives (like your name and email
address) in the file /etc/kernel-pkg.conf. Putting your name and
address in that file is a good idea, to remind you that this is not an
official package, unless, of course, you happen to be the maintainer
(Hi Herbert). The file /etc/kernel-pkg.conf is actually a Makefile
snippet include

Re: Compiling the Kernel

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,
>>"Bob" == Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Bob> Install libc5-dev, which includes these files.

Bob> Also, you want to (per the README which comes with the kernel
Bob> source):

Bob> make sure your /usr/include/asm, /usr/include/linux, and
Bob> /usr/include/scsi directories are just symlinks to the kernel
Bob> sources:

Bob> cd /usr/include rm -rf asm linux scsi ln -s
Bob> /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386 asm ln -s
Bob> /usr/src/linux/include/linux linux ln -s
Bob> /usr/src/linux/include/scsi scsi


Auggh. Don't do that. Debian distributes the required
 headers in the libc packages (read the FAQ beloq for a reason). Also,
 the kernel compile does not need them. 

Have you considered make-kpkg from kernel-package? it creates
 a .deb of your custom configured kernel image that can be further
 managed by dpkg and friends. Ill post a separate message about that. 

manoj

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Mobile, Alabama USAhttp://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/>


$Id: README.headers,v 1.3 1997/06/25 07:33:27 srivasta Exp $
 

This document contains comments from Linus Torvalds (made in
 an ``off-the-cuff'' personal email) to help clarify the rationale
 behind the Debian way of handling symlinks, but this should not be
 seen as an official policy statement by Linus. I'm attaching a
 disclaimer in his own words.

The only reason that Linus's message is quoted in here is that
 he can explain the technical reasons with far more lucidity than I
 can, and now that I have permission to include his mail, I am
 removing most of my far less facile efforts in that regard. 


>> "David" == David Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Mon, 24 Feb 1997
>> "Linus" == Linus Torvalds said on Mon, 24 Feb 1997

David> Hi Linus,
David> No matter how well we try to explain ourselves, the symlinks issue
David> keeps coming up.  Would you mind if we used your message below in
David> our responses?

Linus> Sure. Don't make it "the word of God" - please point out that
Linus> it was a off-the-bat personal reply to a question concerning
Linus> this, and while I'm more than happy to have the email
Linus> circulated it shouldn't be seen as a "official" document in any
Linus> way..
Linus> Linus
---

The headers were included in libc5-dev after a rash of very
 buggy alpha kernel releases (1.3.7* or something like that) that
 proceeded to break compilations, etc.  Kernel versions are changed
 far more rapidly than libc is, and there are higher chances that
 people install a custom kernel than they install custom libc.

libc6 includes it's own version of /usr/include/linux and
 friends form the beginning (that is, this is no longer a Debian only
 feature, the upstream version has moved to this scheme as well).

>> "Linus" == Linus Torvalds said on Wed, 22 Jan 1997:

Linus> The kernel headers used to make sense exporting to user space,
Linus> but the user space thing has grown so much that it's really not
Linus> practical any more. The problem with Debian is just that they
Linus> are different, not that they are doing anything wrong. That
Linus> leads to differences between the distributions, and that in
Linus> turn obviously can result in subtle problems.

Linus> As of glibc, the kernel headers will really be _kernel_
Linus> headers, and user level includes are user level
Linus> includes. Matthias Ulrich did that partly because I've asked
Linus> him to, but mainly just because it is no longer possible to try
Linus> to synchronize the libc and the kernel the way it used to
Linus> be. The symlinks have been a bad idea for at least a year now,
Linus> and the problem is just how to get rid of them
Linus> gracefully. Personally, I'm counting on glibc, which we are
Linus> already using on alpha.

Linus> Just to give you some idea of exactly why the includes really
Linus> can't be handled by simple symlinks: the main problem is
Linus> version skew. Lots of people want to upgrade their library
Linus> without affecting the kernel, and probably even more people
Linus> want to be able to upgrade their kernel without affecting their
Linus> compilation environment. Right now doing that has been
Linus> extremely fragile.

Linus> Just to give _one_ example of why the symlinks are bad: NR_OPEN
Linus> and "fd_set". I have had no end of problems making NR_OPEN
Linus> larger in the kernel, exactly _because_ of the damn
Linus> sym-links. If I just make NR_OPEN larger (the right thing to
Linus> do), the problem is that people with old libraries will now
Linus> compile against a header file that doesn't match the library
Linus> any more. And when the library internally uses another NR_OPEN
Linus> than the new program does, "interesting" things happen.

Linus> In contras

How Linux (and Debian) compare?

[stick]

Howdy all!

I was recently going through some back-issues of magazines in an attempt
to get "caught-up" when I ran across a little table that got me thinking.

>From Lan Times' June 23, 1997  Volume 14, Issue 13:
"According to International Data Corp. (IDC) shipments of Windows NT Server
licenses surpassed Unix OSes for the first time in 1996."

The table shows a total of 602,000 licenses for Unix, 725,000 for NT Server,
and 1 million for NetWare.

Now, I've heard/seen/read that there are about 6 million systems running
Linux worldwide - I'd assume that most of these have been installed in
the past two years...

This leads me to wonder if Linux has "sold" (for lack of a better word)
more copies in 1996 than any of those listed above?  If half of those 6 million
systems were installed in 1996, then Linux out sold not only all other
Unix OSes, NT Server and NetWare, but all of those combined!!

Also, do we have any specifics on the number of systems currently running
Debian?  If so are those numbers broken down by year?  Is there a way that
this sort of tracking could be automated within Debian's installation
routines?  We need to blow our own horn if we can generate reliable numbers
that come anywhere near those listed in the article!!

While I don't put too much stake in any numbers I read in the trades, others
do.  Recently, a database company out of Bohemia, New York ported their
server and development environment to Linux (Caldera) because a few of us
convinced them that the Linux market was as strong as it is.  It only took
a few months once they learned that literally millions of systems are out
there working.

Curious.
Chuck

PS  My wife and I currently have 4 Intel systems running Debian, 1 DEC Alpha
running RedHat and three Etherminals (X terminals running Linux from
EEPROM/NVRAM) in our two businesses.  With more Etherminals on the way...

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mgetty, g3tolj

[Mike Schmitz]

I am using mgetty to receive faxes. I use g3tolj to put them in printable 
form for a HP Laserjet III. I get this error:

   EOF / read error at line 0

The page goes on to the printer, who complains about not having any A4 
paper, and the script quits. If I hit the Continue/Reset button on the 
printer, it goes ahead and prints anyway. This works fine with single 
page faxes, but I get quite a few multi-page ones. 

TIA

mike


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Re: Libc5

[Bob Nielsen]

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote:

> Hi all
>   I have to install libc5-dev, but a dependency problem occurs with my 
> libc5
> version. While I have 5.4.23-6, dpkg askes 5.4.33-3 libc5. How can I get a
> newer version of libc5.deb, for easy installation? Or can I force dpkg to
> install this libc5-dev anyway? How Can I do this?

5.4.33-3 is the latest in /stable.  You can get a copy from ftp.debian.org
or one of its mirrors.

Bob


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Libc5

[Bruno O. M. Simoes]

Hi all
I have to install libc5-dev, but a dependency problem occurs with my 
libc5
version. While I have 5.4.23-6, dpkg askes 5.4.33-3 libc5. How can I get a
newer version of libc5.deb, for easy installation? Or can I force dpkg to
install this libc5-dev anyway? How Can I do this?
Thanks a lot
Bruno


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Re: bo and pcmcia installation...

[Jason Costomiris]

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Jason Costomiris wrote:

> I'm trying to load 1.3.0 on a notebook.  I made the boot, driver, and 5
> base diskettes.  I also made a couple of ext2fs diskettes that had
> pcmcia-cs_2.9.5-3, pcmcia-modules-2.0.30, and the 2.0.30 kernel-image.

I fixed the problem by using pcmcia-cs and pcmcia-modules-2.0.29 from the
rex-fixed tree, and rolling back to the 2.0.29 kernel image.  I later
re-installed 2.0.30, built a customer kernel, and rebuilt the pcmcia-cs
and pcmcia-modules from sources.  Pretty sucky way to have to do it
compared to how it worked under rex.

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Re: RedHat vs Debian (was Re: Bash Prompt in an XTerm)

[Lester P. Wang]

I have converted from RedHat to Debian.  RedHat is very nice if you don't
want to
look at writing your own scripts.  The configuration tools are very nice;
however, I
had to edit them by hand with an editor to make them work correctly after a
version
upgrade.  I still have a RedHat system for Applixware.  My email and ppp
server
is Debian.  The configuration tools that come with Debian are easier since
I
don't have X-windows running

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> From: Rick Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: RedHat vs Debian (was Re: Bash Prompt in an XTerm) 
> Date: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 12:54 PM
> 
> 
> > 
> > > Redhat is *far* easier to install on a slow machine.  After
installation
> > > is another matter :)
> 
> > Slightly faster; not necessarily easier.  Since 4.0, Red Hat has been a
> > disaster for anyone with a CD-ROM attached to a SoundBlaster card, for
> > instance.
> 
> this was a future domain.  But on the same machine, it took me a few
> minutes (prior to unpacking) on redhat, and probably about a half hour
> on debian (which i had installed many times by then).
> 
> >> > Redhat's installation programs are apparently compiled rather than
> > > interpeted; they move directly from one screen to the next.  At some
> > > points in debian, the wait is measured in minutes (particularly
module
> > > installation).  The installation program constantly looks to check
the
> > > current state, which is where most of the wasted time goes.  
>  
> > In my experience on a 486slc2-66 (not exactly a screamer), it was more
> > like several tens of seconds.  On a pentium it's reasonably fast.
> 
> i should have phrased that better; i don't think it ever reaches 2 full
> minutes. 
> 
> 
> 
> > Upgrading Red Hat is almost as big a deal as an initial install (boot
from
> > floppy, etc.)  Upgrading with dselect is a piece of cake, requiring
> > patience, however.
> 
> !!!  "After install" is worse than i thought :)
> 
> > > The selection of .deb files seems much richer than for .rpm files; i
> > > couldn't find a couple of things i regularly used when i installed
> > > redhat a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> > That depends a lot on what you are looking for.  RedHat has many thing
> > which Debian does not and vice-versa.  That's where alien should be a
big
> > help.
> 
> particularly the commercial stuff, which generally seems to be rpm only.
> Something that ocurred to me the other day would be to build into
> alien.deb some dependency information for common .rpm's, such as
staroffice.
> 
> > One nice thing Red Hat has is the configuration tools.  However, if you
> > don't have X, you can't use them.
> 
> I didn't get as far as using those.  But if they're nice, let's steal
> them :)
> 
> rick
> 
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Re: naming convention question

[Shaleh]

Having missed the movies I missed the joke.  Thanks for the explanation.


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Re: Dialup server setup HOWTO?

[Tim Sailer]

In your email to me, Nathan E Norman, you wrote:
> 
> Stupid question:  I know there's a HOWTO or something for this, but it's
> Friday and I'm brain dead.  I have a 486 with an Equinox card and
> some RealHighTech Prac modems.  The modems work, the multiport card
> works, as I can dialout.  Now I want to dialin and do proxy ARP and
> all that good stuff.  What do I need to read to accomplish this?

http://www.buoy.com/isp/mgetty.html

or

http://www.buoy.com/isp/portslave.html

Tim

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Re: naming convention question

[Buddha Buck]

> What is bo? hamm?  Could someone explain these naming conventions to me,
> please.
> 

Bo is a code name for the Debian 1.3 release.  Hamm is a code name for 
the Debian 2.0 release, currently in development.

Some time ago, Debian ran into a problem when a not-quite-ready 
development version of the distribution was downloaded and sold on CD.  
It was seen that one reason for this was that someone looking at the 
FTP site, seeing a directory with a numbered version would think that 
that version was ready for release.  A policy decision was made to name 
releases while in development, and only number them when released.

The current naming schema we are using is the names of characters from 
the Pixar computer animated feature film "Toy Story".

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Re: naming convention question

[Rick Hawkins]

> What is bo? hamm?  Could someone explain these naming conventions to me,
> please.

Look at where Bruce Perens works, and think about children's movies . .
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Re: RedHat vs Debian (was Re: Bash Prompt in an XTerm)

[Rick Hawkins]

> 
> > Redhat is *far* easier to install on a slow machine.  After installation
> > is another matter :)

> Slightly faster; not necessarily easier.  Since 4.0, Red Hat has been a
> disaster for anyone with a CD-ROM attached to a SoundBlaster card, for
> instance.

this was a future domain.  But on the same machine, it took me a few
minutes (prior to unpacking) on redhat, and probably about a half hour
on debian (which i had installed many times by then).

>> > Redhat's installation programs are apparently compiled rather than
> > interpeted; they move directly from one screen to the next.  At some
> > points in debian, the wait is measured in minutes (particularly module
> > installation).  The installation program constantly looks to check the
> > current state, which is where most of the wasted time goes.  
 
> In my experience on a 486slc2-66 (not exactly a screamer), it was more
> like several tens of seconds.  On a pentium it's reasonably fast.

i should have phrased that better; i don't think it ever reaches 2 full
minutes. 



> Upgrading Red Hat is almost as big a deal as an initial install (boot from
> floppy, etc.)  Upgrading with dselect is a piece of cake, requiring
> patience, however.

!!!  "After install" is worse than i thought :)

> > The selection of .deb files seems much richer than for .rpm files; i
> > couldn't find a couple of things i regularly used when i installed
> > redhat a couple of weeks ago.

> That depends a lot on what you are looking for.  RedHat has many thing
> which Debian does not and vice-versa.  That's where alien should be a big
> help.

particularly the commercial stuff, which generally seems to be rpm only.
Something that ocurred to me the other day would be to build into
alien.deb some dependency information for common .rpm's, such as staroffice.

> One nice thing Red Hat has is the configuration tools.  However, if you
> don't have X, you can't use them.

I didn't get as far as using those.  But if they're nice, let's steal
them :)

rick


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naming convention question

[Shaleh]

What is bo? hamm?  Could someone explain these naming conventions to me,
please.


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Re: /usr size and seting up a linux server

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

I don't have *all* the packages installed (you can't, anyway,
 because of confilcts). Here is my setup:
__> df
Filesystem 1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/hda2 503551   17792   459753  4%   /
/dev/hda6 507423  150210   331007 31%   /home
/dev/hda51018392  399944   565832 41%   /usr
/dev/hdd31014812  253195   709194 26%   /usr/local
/dev/hdd61014781  303314   659045 32%   /usr/lib
/dev/hdd51014781  710822   251537 74%   /var
/dev/hda11003664  558784   444880 56%   /dos/system
/dev/hdb1 204684   16268   188416  8%   /dos/local
/dev/hdd11024080  206784   817296 20%   /dos/graphics
/dev/hdd71023600  197440   826160 19%   /dos/others
/dev/hdd8 9735367104   966432  1%   /dos/personal

The list of packages installed follows.

manoj

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dselect ftp method problem (solved)

[Tommy Lakofski]

Sledgehammer approach: I downgraded perl and perl-suid to the stable
versions. It works now.

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:14:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tommy Lakofski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: dselect ftp method problem

Can't locate Time/Local.pm in @INC at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 379.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 379.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/dpkg//methods/ftp/setup line
7.

query/setup script returned error exit status 2.


This is what I see when I try 'access' or 'update' in dselect. Using Perl
5.004-2 from unstable... but it's been days since I made any changed...
not sure what the last change I made was. Any ideas, anyone?

Thanks,

Thomas.



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Re: Compiling the Kernel

[Bob Nielsen]

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote:

> Hello,
>   I had problems while compiled the kernel.
>   First I didn't have anything in my "/usr/src" directory, so I got the
> "linux-2.0.29.tar.gz" file, that's my installed version, apply "tar -xzvf"
> and got a directory tree "/usr/src/linux/*".
>   So, I did "make config", everything's fine.
>   Finally, when I made "make dep", an error occourred, it didn't find
> several files (includes) like stdio.h,stdlib.h. Well, I don't have those
> files on my system, and guess there's some pratical way to install it on.
>   Please, help me.

Install libc5-dev, which includes these files.

Also, you want to (per the README which comes with the kernel source):

 make sure your /usr/include/asm, /usr/include/linux, and 
/usr/include/scsi
   directories are just symlinks to the kernel sources:

cd /usr/include
rm -rf asm linux scsi
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386 asm
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux linux
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/scsi scsi

(although for most this may not be absolutely necessary.)

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bo and pcmcia installation...

[Jason Costomiris]

I'm trying to load 1.3.0 on a notebook.  I made the boot, driver, and 5
base diskettes.  I also made a couple of ext2fs diskettes that had
pcmcia-cs_2.9.5-3, pcmcia-modules-2.0.30, and the 2.0.30 kernel-image.

I didn't dslect, or course, since my source was unavailable (was going to
NFS mount the CD like I did when I had rex on this notebook).

I boot from the 2.0.30 kernel just fine, and don't get any module problems
when I depmod -a either.

However, when the /etc/init.d/pcmcia script starts, the card & socket
services start up fine, until it inserts the module for my ethernet card,
a 3c589.  I get complaints about 8 symbols that are unresolved. They are:

netif_rx_R9117ffb8
dev_alloc_skb_R24e337ab
ether_setup...
eth_type_trans...
dev_kfree_skb...
dev_tint..
unregister_netdev...
register_netdev...

Yet, all of these symbols appear in /System.map, which does point to
/boot/System.map-2.0.30, to match /vmlinuz -> /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.30.

anyone seen this, overcome it, or what?

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Re: Adaptec 2940Ultra Wide PCI SCSI Host Adapter

[Nathan E Norman]

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, David M wrote:

:Dear list members,
:
:I was looking at the documentation my adaptec PCI SCSI and notice a 
:couple of configuration parameters that could be changed when running 
:under Linux (rather than DOS or Windows).  These are:

This sounds similar to an AHA-2940UW, which I have.  I have two 4 gig UW
Seagates on it, plus a small Quantum for swap and a 12x CD-ROM.
:
:Plug and Play SCAM support
:--
:The default setting is disabled.  They mention in the manual that if 
:enabled than SCSI ID are automatically assigned to those SCSI devices 
:that support SCAM.  Those that don't usually are not affected (except 
:some older SCSI 1 devices which could hang).
:
:Would it be better under Linux to enable this setting???

I disabled it and set the SCSI ids with jumpers.  I'm leery of things
like SCSI ids changing - that could change the device name, if you add a
new scsi device and the card detects devices in an unexpected order.
OTOH, it did work with that settign enabled. 

:
:
:Extended BIOS Translation for DOS Drives > 1 GByte
:--
:The default setting is enabled.  The manual under Unixware says that Unix 
:supports > 1GByte so the BIOS extentions should be disabled.  For SCO 
:UNIX it says it ignores this setting so enable or disable work.  
:Obciously this is a DOS cludge... ;) and I assume Linux will not require it.
:
:Would it be better under Linux to disable this setting???

I disabled it - with the kludge on, the cylinder size is HUGE.  Makes it
harder to fine tune partition size IMHO.  Some ppl may not care about
this.

:
:Support for Ultra SCSI Speed
:
:The default setting is disabled.  The manual says this option determines 
:whether the host adapter supports the fast transfer rates (13.4,16,20.0) 
:of Ultra SCSI devices.
:
:Should I enable this for Linux?  Would the driver support it?

I turned it on.  On boot, the disks are synchronous at 20 MHz.  They
seem to scream right along.

:
:If you have experience with Adaptec's settings for the Ultra Wide SCSI 
:Host Adapter I would like to know how I can fine tune it for Linux.  Are 
:there any documentation I can read regarding fine tuning this particular 
:hardware for Linux?  How about the latest drivers?

I used the aic7xxx drivers in the 2.0.30 kernel sources.  I've had zero
complaints - the disk subsystem has been rock solid so far  

There is a mailing list for aic7xxx users, the address is in one of the
READMEs, I forget which one (sorry)

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Compiling the Kernel

[Bruno O. M. Simoes]

Hello,
I had problems while compiled the kernel.
First I didn't have anything in my "/usr/src" directory, so I got the
"linux-2.0.29.tar.gz" file, that's my installed version, apply "tar -xzvf"
and got a directory tree "/usr/src/linux/*".
So, I did "make config", everything's fine.
Finally, when I made "make dep", an error occourred, it didn't find
several files (includes) like stdio.h,stdlib.h. Well, I don't have those
files on my system, and guess there's some pratical way to install it on.
Please, help me.
Best Regards
Bruno
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Re: RedHat vs Debian (was Re: Bash Prompt in an XTerm)

[Bob Nielsen]

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Rick Hawkins wrote:

> Redhat is *far* easier to install on a slow machine.  After installation
> is another matter :)

Slightly faster; not necessarily easier.  Since 4.0, Red Hat has been a
disaster for anyone with a CD-ROM attached to a SoundBlaster card, for
instance.

> 
> Redhat's installation programs are apparently compiled rather than
> interpeted; they move directly from one screen to the next.  At some
> points in debian, the wait is measured in minutes (particularly module
> installation).  The installation program constantly looks to check the
> current state, which is where most of the wasted time goes.  

In my experience on a 486slc2-66 (not exactly a screamer), it was more
like several tens of seconds.  On a pentium it's reasonably fast.

> 
> Redhat's rpm is not as advanced as dpkg (though again, it seems to be
> faster).  There are some dependency issues it doesn't adress.  On the
> other hand, if you try to install a package with dependency problems
> with dpkg, it informs you which other packages it directly depends on.
> rpm does this recursively (why doesn't dpkg, for that matter).
> 
> rpm has a built in access method for ftp.  Debian has an ftp-mode for
> dselect, which can automatically handle any updates.
> 
> dselect is almost a nice package.  It classifies packages by types, and
> handles dependencies.  On the other hand, it is a nightmare for
> beginners if there is a missing or wrong-version package with dependency
> problems, and it is close to unusable without a pentium or better.

Upgrading Red Hat is almost as big a deal as an initial install (boot from
floppy, etc.)  Upgrading with dselect is a piece of cake, requiring
patience, however.

> 
> The selection of .deb files seems much richer than for .rpm files; i
> couldn't find a couple of things i regularly used when i installed
> redhat a couple of weeks ago.

That depends a lot on what you are looking for.  RedHat has many thing
which Debian does not and vice-versa.  That's where alien should be a big
help.

One nice thing Red Hat has is the configuration tools.  However, if you
don't have X, you can't use them.

Bob


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dselect ftp method problem

[Tommy Lakofski]

Can't locate Time/Local.pm in @INC at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 379.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 379.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/dpkg//methods/ftp/setup line
7.

query/setup script returned error exit status 2.


This is what I see when I try 'access' or 'update' in dselect. Using Perl
5.004-2 from unstable... but it's been days since I made any changed...
not sure what the last change I made was. Any ideas, anyone?

Thanks,

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Re: Sendmail Oddity

[Eloy A. Paris]

It looks like you have problems with your name server. Probably you
are not running Bind or /etc/resolv.conf is not configured. Try

echo test|mail -s "Test message" lung

(assuming lung is a local user)

E.-

Daniel Laffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

: Not really sure what this is about, but it happens on both incoming ad
: outgoing mails.  Any suggestions?  This is with sendmail 8.8.5.  Thanks.


: apollyon:/# echo test | mail -v lung
: lung... Host unknown (Name server: none: host not found)
: lung... Host unknown (Name server: none: host not found)
: postmaster... Host unknown (Name server: none: host not found)
: MAILER-DAEMON... WARNING: writable directory /var/tmp
: MAILER-DAEMON... WARNING: writable directory /var/tmp
: MAILER-DAEMON... Saved message in /var/tmp/dead.letter

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Re: RedHat vs Debian (was Re: Bash Prompt in an XTerm)

[Rick Hawkins]

> My question to you is how do you find them (which one do you think is
> best; if there is such a thing as 'best').  Any particular features etc
> you prefer on one over the other?  

Redhat is *far* easier to install on a slow machine.  After installation
is another matter :)

Redhat's installation programs are apparently compiled rather than
interpeted; they move directly from one screen to the next.  At some
points in debian, the wait is measured in minutes (particularly module
installation).  The installation program constantly looks to check the
current state, which is where most of the wasted time goes.  

Redhat's rpm is not as advanced as dpkg (though again, it seems to be
faster).  There are some dependency issues it doesn't adress.  On the
other hand, if you try to install a package with dependency problems
with dpkg, it informs you which other packages it directly depends on.
rpm does this recursively (why doesn't dpkg, for that matter).

rpm has a built in access method for ftp.  Debian has an ftp-mode for
dselect, which can automatically handle any updates.

dselect is almost a nice package.  It classifies packages by types, and
handles dependencies.  On the other hand, it is a nightmare for
beginners if there is a missing or wrong-version package with dependency
problems, and it is close to unusable without a pentium or better.

The selection of .deb files seems much richer than for .rpm files; i
couldn't find a couple of things i regularly used when i installed
redhat a couple of weeks ago.


>Are there any reviews (as neutral as  possible) on how the two compare? 

I'm not claiming neutrality, but the above is the closest i've seen :)

> Are they compatible?  

partway.  the alien package can convert .rpm's to .deb's.  Some
dependencies may not translate corectly; i'm not sure.

>How hard is it to move from one to the other? 

If nothing else, copy /etc (for reference, not use), keep /home, erase
everything else & just install.  

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Re: /usr size and seting up a linux server

[Rick Hawkins]

> I have one PC with a 6 gig disk for Linux only (the Linux PC).
> I have another two PCs with Windows 95 (the Windows PCs).  I would
> like to able to use Linux on either of the two Windows PCs. 
> I don't have enough space on these PCs to install all the linux
> software I would like.  I can only spare about 150 - 300Mb for
> a linux partition on these PCs.  What would be the best way to
> setup the Windows PCs to be able to use all the programs installed
> on my Linux PC.

you seem to be in a similar spot to where i am (or will be again soon).
We got several old 486's released to us for this, but then they got
unreleased to africa (?).  *sigh*  The down side of our department
being an international empire. . .

Anyway, we now get this machine and 4 more.  This machine will end up, i
think, with 2x200mb, a 500mb, and 400 mb drive.  The others will have
anywhere from 80-200.

The current plan (subject to change due to vacations by equipment :)
will put minimal systems & X on the little machines (and probably lyx as
well), /home on this machine, and most programs on this one.

I intend to export /usr, and mount it as /usr2 on the other machines.
/usr2 will appear behind /usr in execution paths on those machines.

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Re: How to fix ldso? Urgent.

[joost witteveen]

> My box has both libc5 and libc6 installed.  I just made a mistake and 
> downgraded ldso_1.9.2-2 to ldso_1.8.10-2.1.  Now I don't seem to be able 
> to run any commands - certainly not dpkg at any rate.  So I am between a 
> rock and a hard place, as the saying goes.
> 
> I have another two debian boxes here so I can access ldso_1.9.2-3 and I 
> can run a rescue disk, but I don't know how to fix it by hand.  Once I 
> reboot I lose my net connection until it is fixed, so I would appreciate 
> some expert help.

I've been in this situation too, and now (months aferwords) I realise that
probably the way to fix this is by typing:

cd /lib
echo ld*

Now you will see a list of ld* files. On my (working) system, I have
/lib# ls ld*
ld-2.0.4.so*ld-linux.so.1.9.2*  ld.so*
ld-linux.so.1@  ld-linux.so.2@

I believe you will mis at least two symlinks here, but I'm not sure
which ones any more.

Then, type

  /lib# cat ld-linux.so.1.9.2 > ld-linux.so.1
or
  /lib# cat ld-2.0.4.so   > ld-linux.so.2

(replacing ld-linux.so.1 or ld-linux.so.2  by whatever links
you are missing, possibly ld.so).

After that, I *think* you've got a wroking system again.

Please, Please, tell me if this worked!


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Re: ncurses3.4 deb file

[Douglas Bates]

Ulf Jaenicke-Roessler kindly pointed out to me that ncurses3.4 is now
in ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386/base so I have
solved that problem.  Many of you know what the next question will be.

Where do I find libreadlineg2?  I don't see it in the ls-lR.gz file
from ftp.debian.org.

Douglas Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have installed the unstable version in hamm and now have several
> packages that do not configure properly because ncurses3.4 is not
> available.  The most important such package for me is gdb.

> Can anyone suggest an alternative location?  I would really like to be
> able to use gdb.  Putting " if (debug < 0) printf(...); " statements
> in code is not nearly as much fun as it used to be.


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Re: pause

[Matthew C. Thompson]

no, it was working properly, but i had entered the last field as .1 when
it should have been .2 (i ping'd the main server and compared values). 

all is fine now. 

thanks!
matty

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Remco van de Meent wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Matthew C. Thompson wrote:
> 
>  : hi,
>  : 
>  : i just installed 1.3.1 and everytime i do anything 'net oriented
>  : (popclient, netstat -r, netscape) there seems to be about a five second
>  : pause before anything happens.
>  : 
>  : did i maybe enter some info incorrectly or something?
> 
> Uh.. My first thought is that the primary nameserver you specified in
> /etc/resolv.conf isn't working properly. Could that be true?
> 
> Remco
> 
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Re: One last thing before I pass out`

[Johnny Stevenson]

> |"You need to set the DISPLAY env variable to :0.0 once you are root.
> 
> Nope. In this case, he should have done a "xhost +", not a "xhost -".
> - denies access, + allows it. The XAUTH* solution mailed earlier is a
> better one, though.
> 


Could someone mail me the XAUTH* solution mention.  Thanks.
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Harddrive/IDE channel error

[Will Lowe]

I've got a fully pnp system,  with a seagate 2.1 gig drive and a Creative
Labs CD420 cd drive on the first ide (ide0) channel.  I've been letting
the bios auto-detect everything (what's a pnp bios for,  anyway ... :) ),
and sometimes,  at seemingly random times,  I get the following error,
under kernelversions 2.0.27 and 2.0.30.

hda: irq timeout: status=0x58 {DriveReady Seekcomplete DataRequest}
hda: drive not ready for command
ide0: reset: success

 ^
this | scrolls on the screen,  and just repeats ad infinitum.  The machine
is essentially frozen;  the only way I've found to fix it is to hit the
case-mounted reset button.

The error seems _not_ to happen under Windoze,  and doesn't seem to be
triggered by anything I can lay a finger on (not launching a particular
application,  for example).  I remember hearing about a problem with LBA
mode,  so I switched to a different mode,  but then I can't boot... lilo
just prints 

LI 

and freezes (tho sometimes CTRL-ALT-DEL still works).  

Any clues?

Will

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Re: PCMCIA cardmgr in Debian 1.3

[Daniel J. Mashao]

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Junbiao Zhang wrote:

>  of a mismatch between the kernel(2.0.29) and the PCMCIA module(2.0.30)(
>  I selected pcmcia-cs_2.9.5-3.deb and pcmcia-modules-2.0.30_2.9.5-3.deb under
>  stable/binary/admin). pcmcia-modules-2.0.29_2.9.5-2.deb could not be 
> installed
>  because it requires pcmcia-cs 2.9.5-2. 
I noticed that too. I think they have replaced the earlier version but the
maintainer made it depend on == 2.0.29  instead of >= 2.0.29. This is my
non-expert view. I am waiting for 1.3.1 CD so I can install it on the CD
with proper kernel. 

I guess the best thing to do will be to email the maintainer.

- djm
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How to fix ldso? Urgent.

[Lindsay Allen]

My box has both libc5 and libc6 installed.  I just made a mistake and 
downgraded ldso_1.9.2-2 to ldso_1.8.10-2.1.  Now I don't seem to be able 
to run any commands - certainly not dpkg at any rate.  So I am between a 
rock and a hard place, as the saying goes.

I have another two debian boxes here so I can access ldso_1.9.2-3 and I 
can run a rescue disk, but I don't know how to fix it by hand.  Once I 
reboot I lose my net connection until it is fixed, so I would appreciate 
some expert help.

Lindsay


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Re: News Server self-mutilation

[Ke Huang]

If you are using a pentium motherboard that has the VX, TX, or anything
but the HX chipset, you can slow down your computer by as much as 5% by
putting in more than 64 Mb of RAM, since VX and TX can only cache upto   
64 Mb. Ths solution, either get a HX board or a board with VIA chipset.

Sorry for the off-topic reply.


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On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Daniel Laffin wrote:

>
>I guess this is question night.  I added an addtional 64 megs of RAM to my
>news server making it 128 total.  I also put in another 256K cache to
>total 512K.  Now the load is on average twice as high?  I dont follow that
>at all.  
>
>-Dan
>
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Re: One last thing before I pass out`

[Ronald van Loon]

In a message to me, Brian K Servis, you wrote:
|"
|"Daniel Laffin writes:
|">
|">
|">After su'ing in an xterm and trying to run any x app i get this.  I tried
|">"xhosts -", but it still gives me this.  *scratches his head*  Sleep
|">now--thanks.  =)
|">
|">apollyon:/# xterm
|">Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
|">Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
|">Error: Can't open display: :0.0
|">Exit 1
|">apollyon:/# 
|">
|">
|">-Dan
|">
|"
|"You need to set the DISPLAY env variable to :0.0 once you are root.

Nope. In this case, he should have done a "xhost +", not a "xhost -".
- denies access, + allows it. The XAUTH* solution mailed earlier is a
better one, though.

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Re: One last thing before I pass out

[Brian K Servis]

Daniel Laffin writes:
>
>
>After su'ing in an xterm and trying to run any x app i get this.  I tried
>"xhosts -", but it still gives me this.  *scratches his head*  Sleep
>now--thanks.  =)
>
>apollyon:/# xterm
>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
>Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
>Error: Can't open display: :0.0
>Exit 1
>apollyon:/# 
>
>
>-Dan
>

You need to set the DISPLAY env variable to :0.0 once you are root.

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Re: Debian CDs?

[jdassen]

On Jul 21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> Is there anyone who can help me choosing an international seller?  I
> visited Debian's homepage and all the recommended CD manufacturers.  I
> found a big difference on prices... why is that?

Some manufacturers, e.g. LSL and cheap*bytes, produce regular (silver) CDs
in large quantities. They are often cheap.

Others, e.g. I-connect, produce (gold) CD-recordables on demand. They are 
often more expensive, but offer more specialised products (such as the
"unstable" distribution).

Other differences in price can come from
- whether or not a manufacturer contributes financially to Debian's
  development.
- additional software or support.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: alphas

[Michael Alan Dorman]

On Jul 21, Jesse Goldman wrote
> Our group is considering buying some Alpha workstations and we'd like to
> put Debian on them. Does anyone have any experience running Debian on the
> Alpha platform?

Lots.

> Is it similar too and as relatively trouble free as running on an
> Intel machine?

Not yet.  The port is still in the development stage.  We have a
working base system and will soon have working base disks.  It's
usable, though---my machine at home is a UDB running Debian/Linux
(it's the primary development machine for the port).

Having said that, Linux support in general still has some issues.  gcc
doesn't doesn't have as sophisticated an optimizer, for instance.
Depending on what you intend to do, this may or may not be an issue.

Mike.
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Re: Xlib

[joost witteveen]

>  : > % alias mnemonic='LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/src/Xlib-threadsafe ~/bin/mnemonic'
>  : 
>  : That's one way, but assuming his thread safe libs are OK, he problably
>  : wants to use them for all his programmes.
> 
> The LD_LIBRARY_PATH-hack doesn't seem to work.

If the other method (ld.so.config) works, than the above should work too.
Did you maybe do

  $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/src/Xlib-threadsafe ~/bin/mnemonic
  $ ~/bin/mnemonic

If so, then you should have typed "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH".
If not, the only other option I can see is that ~/bin/mnemonic
is setuid (in that case, LD_LIBRARY_PATH isn't used).

>  : The best way probably just is to add `~remco/src/Xlib-threadsafe' in
>  : /etc/ld.so.conf.
> 
> I just tried it, and indeed, it (Mnemonic) runs fine (that is, no X-io
> errors).

If that is true, then probably the best is to file a bug against
X.

> $ ldd LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/src/xlib-threadsafe ~/src/xlib-threadsafe

Really should return the same (as I just deleted) without the
/etc/ld.so.conf addition.


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Re: seeking newsreader suggestions

[jdassen]

On Jul 22, Hamish Moffatt wrote
> I'm looking for a new newsreader, and was wondering if somebody
> can recommend one. Features I'd particularly like are;
>   * PGP support,
>   * URL extraction (then run Lynx, etc);
>   * Mail aliases (ideally from the same file as my MUA).
> 
> Actually I want something that works just like mutt, but for news. :-)
> Any suggestions?

There appears to be a strong correlation between using mutt and using slrn
See http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/ for nice material on both.

I'm not aware of PGP or mail aliases support in slrn, but it is very 
extendable (esp. through S-lang, though I didn't need it yet). It has
mutt-like URL extraction.

HTH,
Ray
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Re: seeking newsreader suggestions

[Ben Gertzfield]

> "Hamish" == Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Hamish> I'm looking for a new newsreader, and was wondering if
Hamish> somebody can recommend one. Features I'd particularly like
Hamish> are; * PGP support, * URL extraction (then run Lynx, etc);
Hamish> * Mail aliases (ideally from the same file as my MUA).

Hamish> Actually I want something that works just like mutt, but
Hamish> for news. :-) Any suggestions?

Gnus! http://www.gnus.org/ -- it does all that and a bag of chips, as
well! And it reads your mail!

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Re: wyse60 terminal

[jdassen]

On Jul 21, Remco van de Meent wrote
> On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Pilon wrote:
>  : Is there someone using a Wyse60 terminal with Linux?, I set the TERM
>  : enviroment variable to wy60 but some aplications report this error:
>  : couldn't load tercap/terminfo entry, other aplication just doesn't run
>  : proper.
> You need to download a huge termcap file from sunsite.unc.edu, which has
> support for the Wyse60.

> //   " Never make any mistaeks. "

penguin ray 15:25 ~/dl> dpkg -S /usr/share/terminfo/w/wyse60
ncurses-term: /usr/share/terminfo/w/wyse60
penguin ray 15:25 ~/dl> dpkg --status ncurses-term
Package: ncurses-term
Status: install ok installed
Priority: standard
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 1413
Maintainer: Galen Hazelwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: ncurses
Version: 1.9.9g-2
Depends: ncurses-base
Description: Video terminal manipulation - additional terminal files
 This package contains all of the terminal definitions not found in
 the ncurses-base package.  There are far too many to list here.

Ray
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ncurses3.4 deb file

[Douglas Bates]

I have installed the unstable version in hamm and now have several
packages that do not configure properly because ncurses3.4 is not
available.  The most important such package for me is gdb.

Hamish Moffatt wrote to me earlier that ncurses3.4 was available in
the Incoming section on master.debian.org but I can't get an ftp
connection to it.  I have tried for 3 days to get an anonymous ftp
connection but always get rejected because of the limit on anonymous
ftp logins.

Can anyone suggest an alternative location?  I would really like to be
able to use gdb.  Putting " if (debug < 0) printf(...); " statements
in code is not nearly as much fun as it used to be.


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Re: master down?

[Shaya Potter]

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Victor Torrico wrote:

> joost witteveen wrote:
> 
> > > Been try to contact master.debian.org for a couple of days.  Is it 
> > > working?
> > All
> > > I get is the FTP error window.  Have tried at all different hours day and
> > night.
> >
> > $ ping master.debian.org
> > PING master.debian.org (206.190.143.161): 56 data bytes
> > 64 bytes from 206.190.143.161: icmp_seq=0 ttl=47 time=251.3 ms
> > 64 bytes from 206.190.143.161: icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=236.5 ms
> >
> >  No porblems here (from rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl, the netherlands),
> > and I don't remember seeing any problems tha last week.
> 
> It pings fine but does not allow ftp access.
> 

Works for me.
$ ftp master.debian.org
Connected to master.debian.org.
220 master.debian.org FTP server (Version wu-2.4(7) Thu Aug 1 02:34:14 MET
DST 1996) ready.
Name (master.debian.org:spotter):

Shaya


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Re: One last thing before I pass out

[Heikki Vatiainen]

Here's what I do after 'su -':

% whoami
hessu
% echo $DISPLAY
:0
% su -

# export DISPLAY=:0
# export XAUTHORITY=/home/hessu/.Xauthority
# xterm&

The X server wants a magic cookie (password string) by the client 
program to make sure that the client is allowed to connect to it. The 
magic cookies reside in users ~/.Xauthority file which MUST be readable 
only by the user.

Since root can read any file she/he wants, root can use anyones 
.Xauthority as shown above.

Another solution is to copy the user's .Xauthority file to root's 
.Xauthority file, but this is less secure since the user and root now 
share the same magic cookies.

Hope this helps.

// Heikki

Daniel Laffin wrote:
> 
> After su'ing in an xterm and trying to run any x app i get this.  I tried
> "xhosts -", but it still gives me this.  *scratches his head*  Sleep
> now--thanks.  =)
> 
> apollyon:/# xterm
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
> Error: Can't open display: :0.0
> Exit 1
> apollyon:/#



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PCMCIA cardmgr in Debian 1.3

[Junbiao Zhang]

 
 Hi there,
 
I installed the recent stable version of debian linux on my laptop 
 with a 3Com EtherLink 3c589D card. There were some problems when I 
 installed the PCMCIA module. The cardmgr daemon couldn't be started because
 of a mismatch between the kernel(2.0.29) and the PCMCIA module(2.0.30)(
 I selected pcmcia-cs_2.9.5-3.deb and pcmcia-modules-2.0.30_2.9.5-3.deb under
 stable/binary/admin). pcmcia-modules-2.0.29_2.9.5-2.deb could not be installed
 because it requires pcmcia-cs 2.9.5-2. 
 
Am I doing something wrong here or is there a problem in this release?
 
Thanks for your input.
 
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Re: pause

[Remco van de Meent]

On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Matthew C. Thompson wrote:

 : hi,
 : 
 : i just installed 1.3.1 and everytime i do anything 'net oriented
 : (popclient, netstat -r, netscape) there seems to be about a five second
 : pause before anything happens.
 : 
 : did i maybe enter some info incorrectly or something?

Uh.. My first thought is that the primary nameserver you specified in
/etc/resolv.conf isn't working properly. Could that be true?

Remco

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One last thing before I pass out

[Daniel Laffin]

After su'ing in an xterm and trying to run any x app i get this.  I tried
"xhosts -", but it still gives me this.  *scratches his head*  Sleep
now--thanks.  =)

apollyon:/# xterm
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
Error: Can't open display: :0.0
Exit 1
apollyon:/# 


-Dan


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bo-updates: integrate with dselect?

[Randy Edwards]

   I have a question about the bo-updates subdirectory.  Now, I know that bo
is supposed to be stable and relatively unchanging, but what is the purpose
of the bo-updates subdirectory?

   I take it that it contains updates to the bo packages, but how can one
integrate this into deselect, or even should one integrade bo-updates into
dselect?

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Re: How to delete a directory tree.

[Paul McDermott]

hi, rm -rf directory name/*
hope this helps.
Paul

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Chris Brown wrote:

>  I was looking around the ohter day and found a couple of old 
> mirrors that there is no interest in any longer and I want to remove 
> the entire directory tree that they are in.  What is the simplest way 
> to do this?
> 
> 
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Re: Xlib

[Remco van de Meent]

On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, joost witteveen wrote:

 : > I thought Debian XFree86 3.3 was thread safe anyway.  But assuming you
 : > know what you're talkign about here...
 : 
 : Thought so too ..

I'm using Debian XFree86 3.3 indeed, but when running Mnemonic
(pre-alpha-release), I get X-io errors. These are generated by GTK (the
toolkit we're using for the graphics), and *seem* to have their origin in
the use of non-thread-safe libraries.

 : > Most likely, you want to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH.  Also, are you sure the
 : > normal X programs work with your safe libraries?  Wouldn't it be
 : > easier to do the following?
 : > 
 : > % alias mnemonic='LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/src/Xlib-threadsafe ~/bin/mnemonic'
 : 
 : That's one way, but assuming his thread safe libs are OK, he problably
 : wants to use them for all his programmes.

The LD_LIBRARY_PATH-hack doesn't seem to work.

 : 
 : The best way probably just is to add `~remco/src/Xlib-threadsafe' in
 : /etc/ld.so.conf.

I just tried it, and indeed, it (Mnemonic) runs fine (that is, no X-io
errors).

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/src/mnemonic/src]$ ldd mnemonic
libdb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libdb.so.1
libgdbm.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.1
libdl.so.1 => /lib/libdl.so.1
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0
libX11.so.6 => /home/system/remco/src/Xlib-threadsafe/libX11.so.6
libXext.so.6 => /home/system/remco/src/Xlib-threadsafe/libXext.so.6
libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4
libstdc++.so.27 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.27
libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5
libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5
libXThrStub.so.6 => 
/home/system/remco/src/Xlib-threadsafe/libXThrStub.so.6


Thanks for the help.



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How to delete a directory tree.

[Chris Brown]

 I was looking around the ohter day and found a couple of old 
mirrors that there is no interest in any longer and I want to remove 
the entire directory tree that they are in.  What is the simplest way 
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News Server self-mutilation

[Daniel Laffin]

I guess this is question night.  I added an addtional 64 megs of RAM to my
news server making it 128 total.  I also put in another 256K cache to
total 512K.  Now the load is on average twice as high?  I dont follow that
at all.  

-Dan


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Sendmail Oddity

[Daniel Laffin]

Not really sure what this is about, but it happens on both incoming ad
outgoing mails.  Any suggestions?  This is with sendmail 8.8.5.  Thanks.


apollyon:/# echo test | mail -v lung
lung... Host unknown (Name server: none: host not found)
lung... Host unknown (Name server: none: host not found)
postmaster... Host unknown (Name server: none: host not found)
MAILER-DAEMON... WARNING: writable directory /var/tmp
MAILER-DAEMON... WARNING: writable directory /var/tmp
MAILER-DAEMON... Saved message in /var/tmp/dead.letter

-Dan


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Re: xdm path

[E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)]

> 
> > 
> > > Although I have losts of idas on this, I cant find the answer.  When
> > > logging in locally through xdm where is the path set?  For instance, I am
> > > unable to run netscape because its not in the default path.  I can just
> > > open an xterm and run it from there, but the buttons are there to use and
> > > at this point I'm just curious.  Thanks.
> 
> In /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config I have a line
> DisplayManager*userPath: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
> 
> You can always add directories to your PATH in your .bash_login file
  ^^^
oops, that should be .bash_profile

> (supposing you are using bash) typing something like
> 
> export PATH="$PATH":$HOME/mydir:/usr/toys/bin

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Re: xdm path

[E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)]

> 
> > Although I have losts of idas on this, I cant find the answer.  When
> > logging in locally through xdm where is the path set?  For instance, I am
> > unable to run netscape because its not in the default path.  I can just
> > open an xterm and run it from there, but the buttons are there to use and
> > at this point I'm just curious.  Thanks.

In /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config I have a line
DisplayManager*userPath: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games

You can always add directories to your PATH in your .bash_login file
(supposing you are using bash) typing something like

export PATH="$PATH":$HOME/mydir:/usr/toys/bin

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Re: master down?

[Victor Torrico]

joost witteveen wrote:

> > Been try to contact master.debian.org for a couple of days.  Is it working?
> All
> > I get is the FTP error window.  Have tried at all different hours day and
> night.
>
> $ ping master.debian.org
> PING master.debian.org (206.190.143.161): 56 data bytes
> 64 bytes from 206.190.143.161: icmp_seq=0 ttl=47 time=251.3 ms
> 64 bytes from 206.190.143.161: icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=236.5 ms
>
>  No porblems here (from rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl, the netherlands),
> and I don't remember seeing any problems tha last week.

It pings fine but does not allow ftp access.

Victor


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Re: unknown undentifier "" in script

[joost witteveen]

> Hi.
> 
> Last time I keep getting messages like:
> 
> Unknown identifier "" in script
> -f: Aborting.

Very much looks like update-menus, old (1.3 or before) version.

Your best bet is probably to upgrade to menu-1.5. The error
probably will not go away (if anything 1.5 is more strict in
syntax checking than 1.3), but you will get much more informative
error messages. You might even find the real problem!


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Re: Xlib

[joost witteveen]

> Remco van de Meent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I have thread-safe version of the X-libraries. 
> > What I want to do, is start X, and a client, using those libraries, instead
> > of those in /usr/X11R6/lib.
> 
> I thought Debian XFree86 3.3 was thread safe anyway.  But assuming you
> know what you're talkign about here...

Thought so too ..

> 
> The X server is single-threaded anyway and quite independent of the
> client libs.  In fact:

yes, the X server is. But many clients aren't. And, quite a few
X clients use Xlibs.

> Most likely, you want to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH.  Also, are you sure the
> normal X programs work with your safe libraries?  Wouldn't it be
> easier to do the following?
> 
> % alias mnemonic='LD_LIBRARY_PATH=~/src/Xlib-threadsafe ~/bin/mnemonic'

That's one way, but assuming his thread safe libs are OK, he problably
wants to use them for all his programmes.

The best way probably just is to add `~remco/src/Xlib-threadsafe' in
/etc/ld.so.conf.

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unknown undentifier "" in script

[Alex Yukhimets]

Hi.

Last time I keep getting messages like:

Unknown identifier "" in script
-f: Aborting.

from cron, from update-menues, maybe  something else.
What's causing them? How to fix it?


Thank you.

Alex Y.
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Re: xdm path

[joost witteveen]

> Although I have losts of idas on this, I cant find the answer.  When
> logging in locally through xdm where is the path set?  For instance, I am
> unable to run netscape because its not in the default path.  I can just
> open an xterm and run it from there, but the buttons are there to use and
> at this point I'm just curious.  Thanks.

This probably very much depends on your window manaager.

What window manager are you running?

(one solution would be to add the full pathname to the netscape
comand in the /etc/X11/$WM/system.*rc script).

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Re: Where is as86 command?

[Alex Yukhimets]

> I am attempting to compile a new kernel but get an "as86: Command not
> found error" during compiilation.
> 
> I have checked Dselect for this command but cannot find it. Can anyone
> tell me which package it is in?

bin86 in devel

Alex Y.

> 
> Ross

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Re: Where is as86 command?

[joost witteveen]

> I am attempting to compile a new kernel but get an "as86: Command not
> found error" during compiilation.

bin86 package.


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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V97 #508

[Mikko Väkiparta]

fdasfads

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Re: master down?

[joost witteveen]

> Been try to contact master.debian.org for a couple of days.  Is it working?  
> All
> I get is the FTP error window.  Have tried at all different hours day and 
> night.


$ ping master.debian.org
PING master.debian.org (206.190.143.161): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 206.190.143.161: icmp_seq=0 ttl=47 time=251.3 ms
64 bytes from 206.190.143.161: icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=236.5 ms

 No porblems here (from rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl, the netherlands),
and I don't remember seeing any problems tha last week.


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Re: samba question

[Carey Evans]

"Jens B. Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[snip]

> Does IP-masq forward broadcasts? Windows Networking relies on network
> broadcast to do name lookups. I've tried to do "windows networking"
> through a firewall and cannot get it to work. (I tried socks5).

Samba's nmbd should provide the WINS service for listing hosts.  Try
pointing your Win95 boxes at the Linux box for WINS.

A different question about Samba: does anyone know how I get an OS/2
Warp Server to show up in the browse list of a Samba server?  I can
conenct to the server OK (with smbclient and smbfs) and `smbclient -L
Win95Machine -U %' lists the Warp server, but not `smbclient -L
SambaMachine'.

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Re: qmail?

[Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho]

On Jul 21, Martin Schulze wrote
> Install a dummy package. 

How do I do that? Which TFM I should R?


Antti-Juhani

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Re: qmail?

[Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho]

On Jul 22, Dima wrote
> >>Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> You can a) hit SHIFT+Q in dselect every time to override dependecies

Risky.

> or b) install a dummy package that provides MTA.  Search for messages
> about equivs package in the list archive.

Thanks. I'll do that the next time I'm online.

> My impression was that it's in experimental because it has no license.
> At least when I last visited the website it hadn't -- there only was
> a page on how software should be free.  

I think there is a quite clear license for qmail. 1) Unmodified
sources for versions up from and including 1.0 may be freely
distributed.  2) All modified source distributions and all binary
distributions must be authorized by Dan. I don't know, however,
if this is stated in the source distribution itself.

In my opinion qmail is clearly non-free stuff in relation to Debian.


Antti-Juhani

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master down?

[Victor Torrico]

Been try to contact master.debian.org for a couple of days.  Is it working?  All
I get is the FTP error window.  Have tried at all different hours day and night.

Victor


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libc5_5.4.33-5.deb installation problem

[Victor Torrico]

Hello all,

The subject package will not configure.  One of its purposes is to allow the
locales package to operate correctly.

Has anyone been able to install this package and get locales operating
correctly?

All packages that libc5 depends upon were first installed.  Trying to install
the subject package one gets the following error message.:

vtorrico# dpkg -i libc5_5.4.33-5.deb
(Reading database ... 41448 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace libc5 5.4.33-5 (using libc5_5.4.33-5.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libc5 ...
Setting up libc5 (5.4.33-5) ...
dpkg: error processing libc5 (--install):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 libc5
vtorrico# dpkg -s libc5

"dpkg -s libc5" shows it as being installed and half configured.

The libc5_5.4.33-3.deb package installs and configures perfectly.

What needs to be done to install the -5.deb version of this package?

Victor




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install Kernel source

[K.Y.Lo]

Hi

Which one of kernel source file do I need?
thats why, I gonna build the new kernel with network card added
I found in the /usr/src directory there isnt Kernel source files.
the one is currently Linux kernel 2.0.29.
i read debian installation document, it say to install the kernel source
first then rebuild the kernel.

Kam


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Re: OLH@kms.min.dk

[Anders Hammarquist]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
>In a message to me, Nico De Ranter, you wrote:
>|"
>|"> I would not recommend you reply directly to this chap;
>|"> I did and have started receiving more test messages directly.
>|"
>|"AARGH, I've just send a reply :-)
>
>I have sent e-mail to his postmaster - the messages also seem to have
>stopped for now. I don't know if there's a correlation, though.

I sent him a message earlier and, although the reply was short, I
understood it as him being aware of the problem and was going to fix it.

/Anders

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Adaptec 2940Ultra Wide PCI SCSI Host Adapter

[David M]

Dear list members,

I was looking at the documentation my adaptec PCI SCSI and notice a 
couple of configuration parameters that could be changed when running 
under Linux (rather than DOS or Windows).  These are:

Plug and Play SCAM support
--
The default setting is disabled.  They mention in the manual that if 
enabled than SCSI ID are automatically assigned to those SCSI devices 
that support SCAM.  Those that don't usually are not affected (except 
some older SCSI 1 devices which could hang).

Would it be better under Linux to enable this setting???


Extended BIOS Translation for DOS Drives > 1 GByte
--
The default setting is enabled.  The manual under Unixware says that Unix 
supports > 1GByte so the BIOS extentions should be disabled.  For SCO 
UNIX it says it ignores this setting so enable or disable work.  
Obciously this is a DOS cludge... ;) and I assume Linux will not require it.

Would it be better under Linux to disable this setting???

Support for Ultra SCSI Speed

The default setting is disabled.  The manual says this option determines 
whether the host adapter supports the fast transfer rates (13.4,16,20.0) 
of Ultra SCSI devices.

Should I enable this for Linux?  Would the driver support it?

If you have experience with Adaptec's settings for the Ultra Wide SCSI 
Host Adapter I would like to know how I can fine tune it for Linux.  Are 
there any documentation I can read regarding fine tuning this particular 
hardware for Linux?  How about the latest drivers?

Thank you.

Dave


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Re: OLH@kms.min.dk

[Ronald van Loon]

In a message to me, Nico De Ranter, you wrote:
|"
|"> I would not recommend you reply directly to this chap;
|"> I did and have started receiving more test messages directly.
|"
|"AARGH, I've just send a reply :-)

I have sent e-mail to his postmaster - the messages also seem to have
stopped for now. I don't know if there's a correlation, though.

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Re: OLH@kms.min.dk

[Nico De Ranter]

> I would not recommend you reply directly to this chap;
> I did and have started receiving more test messages directly.

AARGH, I've just send a reply :-)

Nico.

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Where is as86 command?

[Ross Gardler]

I am attempting to compile a new kernel but get an "as86: Command not
found error" during compiilation.

I have checked Dselect for this command but cannot find it. Can anyone
tell me which package it is in?

Ross


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Re: Star Office question

[Victor Torrico]

Martin Schulze wrote:

> Alex Yukhimets writes:
> > > I saw it posted erialer but I acedently deleted it ...
> > >
> > > there is a bug? in the star office install script? something about
> > > lang=us_eg or some such could someone please repost this??
> >
> > Sure. You would have to change the value of LANG variable from "us" to
> > "en_US" in .sd.sh or .sd.csh scripts after installation.
>
> Could you send me a paragraph describing the problem and the fix
> so I can include it in /usr/doc/staroffice/readme.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joey

BTW, setting LANG=en_US works fine if one uses the wg15-locale package, however,
the replacement package, locales, gives error messages when LANG=en_US since it
has bugs.  See the debian bug list for the locales package.  One gets perl error
messages with the locales package installed.  Try perl -v and see.

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Re: OLH@kms.min.dk

[Andree Leidenfrost]

Thanks for the hint! I was just thinking of doing exactly this.

Regards,

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seeking newsreader suggestions

[Hamish Moffatt]

I'm looking for a new newsreader, and was wondering if somebody
can recommend one. Features I'd particularly like are;
  * PGP support,
  * URL extraction (then run Lynx, etc);
  * Mail aliases (ideally from the same file as my MUA).

Actually I want something that works just like mutt, but for news. :-)
Any suggestions?


thanks,

Hamish
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OLH@kms.min.dk

[Hamish Moffatt]

I would not recommend you reply directly to this chap;
I did and have started receiving more test messages directly.


Hamish
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Re: HELP!! PLEASE!!

[Felix Almeida]

On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I can't get my SCSI controller/CD-ROM drive to be detected by linux!!
> I need it to install debian.
> I have a Media Vision Jazz card. (which is basically a combo pro sonic and
> future domain tmc-8xx) and 2x CD-rom, which under windows 95 is detected as a
> Sanyou CDR-400I

  Try to compile a new kernel image with the right drivers and put the
following line in your /etc/lilo.conf: 

append="tmc8xx=0xca000,11"

  Where the first number is the address used by the scsi interface and the
seconde one is the IRQ. Use the correct values for your hardware.

  I hope this work for you.


Felix Almeida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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Re: Netscape 3.01 off-line

[Martin Bureau]

> I know that I've used Netscape 3.01 off-line before to read documents...
> now whenever I try to run it while not connected to my ISP, it simply
> hangs. One time it even locked out my other X apps.. I had to kill the
> server.

Go in Options/General Preferences/Appearance and set "Browser Starts
with:" to "Blank Page". 

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