Re: heard all the who-haha?
On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Donovan Baarda wrote: I'd be interested in knowing if the ping takes a long time or fails. I do think that the DNS would be cached from the ping speeding up DNS for the telnet, but the ping should then experience all the problems. If not, why is resolver responce times different for different applications? Is it possible that reverse lookups are slow, forward lookups fast, and a cached forward lookup entry can be used for a reverse lookup? Is the ping somehow causing a forward lookup first, but the telnet causing a reverse lookup first? I was experiencing slow boot times on a ppp-connected machine (sendmail would pause, waiting for my *misconfigured* diald to *not* dial in). A fix which works well for me was to reconfigure that machine's named to be a secondary server for each of the reverse domains it lived on (you need to specify a backup file location for each domain, which should be standard practice for most folks anyway, for this to work on a dialup). By doing so, most relatively local reverse lookups are incredibly quick. Pete -- Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Calamity setting up X! Blank screen!
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Charles Blair wrote: I have been using Debian on several machines for over a year. I tried to install X on one machine in what was apparently the wrong way. I created a config file using xconfig, and have been bringing in a bunch of packages, unpacking them with dpkg -i. It has seemed that, whenever I started the system, it has tried to launch X, failed, and left me with an apparently normally functioning non-X system. Then the real disaster! I brought in (via modem) a package of base fonts for X. In the middle of depackaging this, the screen went black. Control-alt-backspace has no effect, nor does typing shutdown. Control-alt-del reboots the machine and brings up Lilo. The msdos option seems to work just as it did before. If I try linux, it goes through preliminary messages, types ``starting xdm'' and then I get a blank screen. I have also tried using the boot floppy I created when I installed the system without X a year ago. This again leads to a blank screen. At this point, I am mainly concerned with just getting back the non-X functionality of the machine. Thanks for any help! I suggest booting with a rescue floppy, mounting your hard drive, and editing /mnt/etc/X11/config. Replace start-xdm with no-start-xdm, and replace xdm-start-server with no-xdm-start-server. This should prevent xdm from starting up. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IP aliasing in debian 1.3
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Dan Dooher wrote: I'm trying to enable IP aliasing, but when a execute: /sbin/insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ipv4/ip_alias.o It returns: ip_alias.o: No such file or directory. It sounds like you need to build yourself a custom kernel. Get the 'kernel-package' package and a 'kernel-source' package. Read the instructions for 'kernel-package', and when you configure your kernel make sure that you check out the networking options, selecting 'IP Aliasing'. If you need extra pointers, drop me an email - I'd be happy to help. Rich. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: magicfilter Espon Stylus Color II
Thanks to everyone who sent me info on getting my Epson Stylus Color II
working under Linux. It works great! Some of the colors are quite right,
but I can live with this!
Thanks again!
Bob
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How do I create a rescue disk?
How do I create one of these magical rescue disks with their own base system and save your hide commands?? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
How to change the cursor size in text mode?
Hi, Do you know any easy way to change the cursor size in text mode? It is often that I don't know where the cursor has gone after doing a search in a editor. It's easy to achieve it in DOS by calling 'INT 10'. thanks -mlt -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lpr filter setup
Package: apsfilter, I think cdj550 configs will work. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7877/home.html We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. --Linus Torvalds On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Markus Diesmann wrote: Hi, I would like to setup the printcap entry of my hp550 printer such that ghostscript is called automatically to convert the PostScript input to the printer language. It does not have to be smart, I only need the printer for .ps files. Does anybody now how to set this up? Thanks, -- Markus Diesmann (Dipl. Phys.) Institut fuer Biologie III Albert-Ludwigs-University Schaenzlestrasse 1,Tel: +49-761-203-2786 D-79104 Freiburg i.Br. Fax: +49-761-203-2745 Germanye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: A very simple question
Civ Kevin F. Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'll take a crack at this one since I've asked and received an answer to
the very same question.
I use a two-line prompt that tells me who I'm logged on as and at what
machine on the first line and what is the full path to the current directory.
Put this in your ~/.bash_profile or in /etc/profile (for system-wide
default): PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]\n`pwd`\$ '
Here's another option (from my .bashrc) that works with rxvt's (and
xterms?). It dynamically sets the title bar to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:pwd so
you don't have to have it all on the prompt. If you're not using an
xterm/rxvt, it sets the prompt instead. It also does /home/username
- ~ translation when appropriate.
if [ ${PS1:-UNSET} = UNSET ]
then
INTERACTIVE_SHELL=F
else
INTERACTIVE_SHELL=T
if [ $TERM = xterm ]
then
set_titlebar () { echo -n ]2;$*; }
export -f set_titlebar
my_dirname () {
if [ ${PWD#$HOME} != $PWD ]
then
echo '~'${PWD#$HOME}
else
echo $PWD
fi
}
export -f my_dirname
export PS1='\n\!\$ '
export PROMPT_COMMAND='eval set_titlebar [EMAIL
PROTECTED]:`my_dirname`'
else
export PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w\n\!\$ '
fi
fi
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Apache non-IP based Virtual Hosting
Has anyone converted to/installed Apache non-IP based Virtual Hosting ? Please e-mail me, I just had a few basic questions.. Thanks, Matthew -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Passwd: encrypted pw entry
How can I disable an /etc/passwd entry. Isn't there something I can place in the encrypted-pw section of /etc/passwd to disable the account ? Thanks, Matthew -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Configuring apache
On Wed, Aug 20, 1997 at 05:53:00PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Good evening fellow Debian user! I'm running into trouble and I'm really clueless with apache. What I want to have is the following scenario: a) Webserver on Port 80 . with /var/www/ as DocumentRoot and . with /usr/lib/cgi-bin as CGI-Bin directory b) Webserver on Port 2000 . with /usr/www/ as DocumentRoot and . with /usr/cgi-bin as CGI-Bin directory I tried briefly to get it running with a virtual server handling the other port; I didn't see that part of the docs, but I just gave up and run two processes with separate config files. hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Student, computer science computer systems engineering.3rd year, RMIT. http://hamish.home.ml.org/ (PGP key here) CPOM: [* ] 51% Your train has been cancelled due to defective government at Spring Street.. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
compilation problems
Hi, I apologize for the long message but I figure I'd better lay out all the errors. I'm having some unusual compilation problems on a new machine I'm setting up. When I try a make depend on some code, I often get one or more of the following errors: f77 -I./inc -cpp -g -C -c routine.F -o ./routine.o ./routine.F routine: mv: routine.c: I/O error /usr/bin/f77: routine.c: No such file or directory mv: /tmp/gc.8744: No such file or directory cc: routine.c: No such file or directory cc: No input files If it gets past this stage, I get the following after linking: f77 -cpp -g -C [all object files] -o phdst -L/usr/cern/97a/lib -lkernlib -lpacklib -lmathlib other_routine.o: file not recognized: I/O error Occasionally, I won't even get that far, since when I try a make, I get: make: getcwd: : I/O error or even Assembler messages: FATAL: Can't create some_routine.o: I/O error The specific object or source file constantly changes. That is, if I retry the make command repeatedly, it will cycle through an arbitrary number of existing object files and decide it doesn't like them. Same with linking. If I'm lucky, after 5 or 6 tries, I'll get a working executable but evidently, something's very wrong. Here are some (I think) relevant packages that I have installed: ii netbase 2.13-1 Basic TCP/IP networking binaries ii netstd 2.13-1 Networking binaries and daemons for ii f77reorder 2.25-2 f77 compiler script calling f2c/gcc. ii sed 2.05-12The GNU sed stream editor. ii gawk3.0.2-1GNU awk, a pattern scanning and ii mawk1.3.3-1a pattern scanning and text processing Since most or all of these are from stable, I can't see why they'd be causing a problem. It looks like all of these problems are just different manifestations of the same problem (ie, Linux can't stat the file in question), but I can't imagine why it has trouble with a file and 5 seconds later *doesn't* but has trouble with *another* file. Is this the fault of nfs? I'm hoping I don't have to reinstall the entire system Thanks, J. Goldman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
PPP not working
Hi, I am trying to make PPP work. I've read PPP-howto and configured everything according to it. But I still can't connect to my university server. The problem is after the serial link is established. Before that, modem dials the number, my user name and password is sent. Everything seems to be OK, but then the connectin is terminated. This is the part of /etc/log/syslog: ... Aug 20 18:26:07 debian pppd[304]: Serial connection established. Aug 20 18:26:08 debian pppd[304]: Using interface ppp0 Aug 20 18:26:08 debian pppd[304]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS0 Aug 20 18:26:08 debian pppd[304]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 mru 1500 asyncmap 0x0 magic 0x4d5a6404 pcomp accomp] Aug 20 18:26:35 debian last message repeated 9 times Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: Connection terminated. Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean: Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0 Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: Exit. Possibly some configuration is wrong, but which part of it? Thanks for any info, Luka -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
hamm: emacs/xemacs packages - man pages
Today I tried to install the emacs/xemacs packages from the hamm distribution and I noticed that all the manual pages are screwed up. Some of them are even linked to executable files.. anyone else have this problem? packages: emacs_19.34-11.deb, xemacs19-support_19.15-3.1.deb, xemacs19_19.15-3.1.deb -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PPP not working
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Luka Pravica wrote:
This is the part of /etc/log/syslog:
...
Aug 20 18:26:07 debian pppd[304]: Serial connection established.
Aug 20 18:26:08 debian pppd[304]: Using interface ppp0
Aug 20 18:26:08 debian pppd[304]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS0
Aug 20 18:26:08 debian pppd[304]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 mru 1500
asyncmap 0x0 magic 0x4d5a6404 pcomp accomp]
Aug 20 18:26:35 debian last message repeated 9 times
Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: Connection terminated.
Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean:
Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
Aug 20 18:26:38 debian pppd[304]: Exit.
Your pppd doesn't hear anything sensible [lcp conf{ack,nak,req}] from the
other side. It is probably because the line is not 8-bit clean. It might be
the setup of your serial line. I had seen it only with ppp over ssh, where the
ssh escape char wasn't turned off.
The other possible solution is that the other side just don't send anything.
Try the thing by hand from minicom and see what happens. (there are cases
when you really don't see anything without sending a ppp packet, because the
other end is in passive mode).
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dselect/ftp segmentation faults!
--- Using FTP to check directories...(stop with ^C) Connecting to ftp.debian.org... query/setup script was terminated by a signal: Segmentation fault. (It left a coredump.) Press RETURN to continue. --- I'm using the dpkg-ftp_1.4.9.deb and dpkg_1.4.0.19.deb packages from the hamm distribution. Anyone know want could be wrong? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Version Numbers Was: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)
On Wed, 20 Aug 97 12:52 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: How about a longer explanation on the list? I'm _SURE_ that _MANY_ inquiring minds would like to know. So, we want to make it clear that our CD, even if it is a revision or two behind, is still _current_ product in that you can easily hit our FTP site and update it to the latest and greatest. We are separating the release number from the revision number to emphasize this fact. Bruce, please don't do this. Thangs are already slacking in that bug fixes and updates have been made to 1.3.1 without and change in the minor number. Every version number should be frozen soild, even if it means we go all the way up to 1.3.199. This Microsoft style of reving, will kill the distribution. People are going to by a cd with a bug and forever be biased against a whole version of Debian. You're following the money and that is a bad thing. You should not be worried about getting Debian into the stores. You should be concerned about making the best product you can. I don't consider this a minor issue. The name itself I don't care about, it's our current version control system that's at stake. I don't think you should be making this desision (or should I say the larger CD makers making it for you) on you're own because it affects the entire way Debian releases and updates will be handled in the future. I'd like to see Debian.org get out of the CD business entirly. I'd also like to see all monitary contributions stop. I don't want to deal with an orginazation...I want to deal with the people that make the product. I should also mention I haven't heard a one of the CD-R makers ask for this. If it says 1.3 or 1.3.1 or whatever, at any time with any copy I should be able to do a crc check against what is in the master ftp server under that rev, and have it come up clean. End of story. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the project with donations. I have just bought 2 Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the Debian project. And since I am in such a pissed off mood over these version number let's start on these donations. Where do they go and what are they used for? I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no idea. Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Passwd: encrypted pw entry
Matthew, Place an * or other charecter, directly infront of the password, that way when you make it useable again, all you need to do is remove the *. -DavidU oo Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE) to this address Legal Notice is indication of your consent to pay me $120/hour for 1 hour oo minimum of HTML programming for 1 web page maximum. Guts- [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.eciti.com/~davidu/ * www.eciti.com/support On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Matthew Tebbens wrote: How can I disable an /etc/passwd entry. Isn't there something I can place in the encrypted-pw section of /etc/passwd to disable the account ? Thanks, Matthew -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
FTP server problems (I think)
Hi, I managed to get FTPD up and running. I've created a ftp user, to accept anonymous login, and made a directory to in /home/ftp then I put pub in that directory. When I type ls, it doesn't display anything. How would I fix this? Note, I've tried this as another user with files in their home directory and it does the same thing. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Squid + ipfwadm redirect transparent problems
Hello, I would like redirect all www traffic from my lan through Squid server transparently. I use IP masquerading and besides I do: # Redirect to Squid proxy server /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a acc -P tcp -D default/0 80 -r 8080 This rule really redirect http request of any PC to squid server, but I ever get the following error: ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved While trying to retrieve the URL: / The following error was encountered: Invalid URL syntax If I configure any browser to use proxy server directly all works fine. If I use IP masquerading without redirection to squid all works fine. I suppose that redirection or Squid configuration is bad. Any suggestion will be very pleased. Thanks in advance Best Regards José María Olmo Millán SMTP address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virtual Office, S.L.Phone: +34-1-6896120 Plaza de la Tahona, 2 2AFax: +34-1-6896121 Leganés - Madrid -Spain Mobile phone: +34-29-812825 E-28911 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [DEBIAN] AARGH PCMCIA network adaptor still not recognised
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nico De Ranter) writes: file so the user can choose between Win95/DOS/Linux (if there is a version of lilo that let's the user choose from a menu (no not by pressing tab or whatever first) please let me know, in the mean time I just don't regard lilo as user-friendly). Even if I boot from a floppy nothing is recognised :-( I believe the latest (not yet a Debian package) version of lilo (2.0) will do this. You can also look at chos, but it's non-free... -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: compiling Vim 5.0l, config broken?
Christopher Ray Martin hat gesagt: // Christopher Ray Martin wrote: I am having a hard time getting Vim 5.0l to compile. It appears the configure script is somehow broken, but I don't know anything about autoconf or whatever this is generated from... It lists functions and such which I know are availible and usable as not availible, and at the conclusion of the process, an error message appears: sed: file conftest.s1 line 8: Unterminated `s' command and no config.mk files appears. Vim 4.6 configured and built fine. I don't have the Vim 5.01 package yet, but the error message you receive could be a typo in conftest.s1, I think. From the man page to sed(1): - Unterminated `s' command The replacement field of the `s' command should be completed with a `/' character. - Line 8 should include something like sed -e 's/foofoo/bar/' ^ this is the maybe missing terminating / P.S.: If you manage VIM5 to compile, please tell me because I would like to upgrade vim as well. -- Yours, Frank Barknecht a href=http://www.koeln-online.de/einblick/; Das Kölner Stadt- und Unimagazin /a --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dselect/ftp segmentation faults!
never mind about this message. I figured it out; what I needed was a never version of ldso (or something else I installed)... -Paul On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Paul Miller wrote: --- Using FTP to check directories...(stop with ^C) Connecting to ftp.debian.org... query/setup script was terminated by a signal: Segmentation fault. (It left a coredump.) Press RETURN to continue. --- I'm using the dpkg-ftp_1.4.9.deb and dpkg_1.4.0.19.deb packages from the hamm distribution. Anyone know want could be wrong? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Qmail user alias
Bruno O. M. Simoes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm trying to install qmail, but it still doesn't send to local users. I tried to creat a /var/qmail/users/assign trough qmail-pw2u, but it doesn't accept my passwd entries: qmail-pw2u: fatal: unable to find alias user qmail should (does here) work without anything in /var/qmail/users. Did you use the package available from project/experimental, or are you installing it manually? Try the tests in qmail's INSTALL document and see how far you get. Also try posting the output of qmail-showctl. -- Carey Evans * [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the telephone line I am anyone, I am anything I want to be. - Savage Garden, _Santa Monica_ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: duplicating a floppy
Thank a lot for your help ! I've learnt a lot about the dd-command. But it does'nt solve the probleme! The floppy I want to duplicate has a few sectors destroyed !!-( Bye, max From: Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hum, Hum ! I'm not sure that's the best place to ask it. Nevertheless ... This list is always off the topic. But that's ok, it's still educational and linux related. I would like to duplicate a msdos floppy in such a way that even its mother won't make the difference.. I've tried mcopy, but the mother did the difference... 1) # insert original 2) dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/image bs=1024 3) # insert target (error free target that is) 4) dd of=/dev/fd0 if=/tmp/image bs=1024 5) man dd # to see what the heck you did For saftey reasons, you probably want the write protect tab set on the original. P.S. what could make the difference between 2 floppies ? At a very low level (bit wise), the normal copy program will make some changes that don't show up unless you are looking at the bits. HTH, Brandon -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Installing 1.3.1 BIG Problems !!!
I have installed 1.3.1 about 5 times on 5 different computers. Almost everything went smooth there. BUT NOW I am trying to set up my own computer and I am running in BIG trouble: my system: Tyan Tomcat iV Dual with 1 Intel P200 MMX (HX Chipset) Adaptec 2940 UW SCSI with IBM DCAS 4,3 GB UW disk Matrox Millenium II 128 MB RAM Toshiba XM600B 16x IDE CD ROM Soundblaster AWE 64 PnP I have almost exactly the same system here at work, only the Board is an ASUS Tx97-XE with 64 MB RAM and there is only a 2.1 GB UW IBM harddisk connected to it. The installation went fine for that system. On my system I get all kinds of errors: 1) free non existent swap page . segmentation fault 2) general protection: Segm. Fault lots of numbers 3) wrong blocksize on device 08:01 4) sometimes a lot of numbers like [0032354] float across the screen 5) Couldn´t get a free page (at boot up time after the SCSI disk was recognized) 6) Sometimes it reads about half of the disk and then just does a soft reset I have tried the installation for about 20 times using Debian 1.2.4, 1.2.10 and 1.3.1 (July disks) but nothing helped. I have reformatted for several times, used less swap space (64MB instead of 128MB) and used non at all. I have tried to change some BIOS settings to get it going, but that didn´t work either. I tried to use the mem=128MB option at the boot prompt. But now I have no idea anymore. I checked the hard disk with the verify disk from the adaptec scsi setup. I could succesfully install Win95 and Win NT4.0. The only thing I can imagine is that the 3 1/2 Floppy is damaged in some way ??!! Does anybody know any help ?? I don´t want to be stuck with Win95 !! PLEASE help me urgently !!! Peter Biechele Dipl. Phys. Peter Biechele, Uni Freiburg, Fakultaet fuer Physik, Abt. Honerkamp, Tel. (0761) 203-5875, EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAX: (0761) 203-5967, WWW: http://phym1.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~pebi Privat: Stefan-Meier-Str. 86, 79104 Freiburg, 0761 / 50 87 20 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the project with donations. I have just bought 2 Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the Debian project. And since I am in such a pissed off mood over these version number let's start on these donations. Where do they go and what are they used for? I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? Check the donations page. It will show what has been collected. The only expense that we have incurred to this point has been the fees generated by the incorporation process, less than $600. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps The quality of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. G.B. Shaw ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: compilation problems
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Jesse Goldman wrote: ii netbase 2.13-1 Basic TCP/IP networking binaries ii netstd 2.13-1 Networking binaries and daemons for ii f77reorder 2.25-2 f77 compiler script calling f2c/gcc. ii sed 2.05-12The GNU sed stream editor. ii gawk3.0.2-1GNU awk, a pattern scanning and ii mawk1.3.3-1a pattern scanning and text processing Did you try to install GNU fortran77, the real f77 compiler? BTW it comes in version 0.5.20 in stable (though 5.20 is known to have bugs), maybe somewhere 0.5.19.1 is somewhere around as .deb? Awaiting g77 0.5.21 soon, Michael Taeschner DLR Braunschweig: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installing 1.3.1 BIG Problems !!!
On Aug 21, Peter Biechele wrote [install problems] I have tried the installation for about 20 times using Debian 1.2.4, 1.2.10 and 1.3.1 (July disks) but nothing helped. I have reformatted for several times, used less swap space (64MB instead of 128MB) and used non at all. I have tried to change some BIOS settings to get it going, but that didn´t work either. I tried to use the mem=128MB option at the boot prompt. Your problem sounds a lot like the obscure symptoms of the sig 11 problem. Check out http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ . HTH, Ray -- PATRIOTISM A great British writer once said that if he had to choose between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would have the decency to betray his country. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Calamity setting up X! Blank screen!
Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Charles Blair wrote: Then the real disaster! it goes through preliminary messages, types ``starting xdm'' and then I get a blank screen. I have also tried using the boot floppy I created when I installed the system without X a year ago. This again leads to a blank screen. I suggest booting with a rescue floppy, mounting your hard drive, and editing /mnt/etc/X11/config. Replace start-xdm with no-start-xdm, and replace xdm-start-server with no-xdm-start-server. This should prevent xdm from starting up. AFAIK you don't even need to use the rescue floppy in this case, because your existing system basically works, but it is only xdm messing up your console. To stop xdm from starting after boot, type linux single at lilo's boot: prompt. Alternatively (in case I'm wrong about what's run in single user mode) type linux emergency to bypass nearly all the startup scripts in /etc/init.d/ resp. /etc/rc.* Then edit /etc/X11/config as prescribed. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
printer setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- hello, is there any software for setting up a printer? i installed lprgn and magicfilter but how do i tell them that i have a hp laserjet 4 with a4 paper and that it should use 600dpi, ...? thanks a lot, michael -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/w9pXy4MROVFbwtAQGzzQP9GKS0jC6TjArUo/xVtHMYSb4yZaFlpFrO +J4ihkDMGNKJ7nhWt6abYW32ob2hVR+pGrUQLPhB7WPWrZu3PDyxTai1bQ+oheTQ l57GeHdGU5YN8BILzOK04qZ8d4BZF9Q/2a3Nv7W9uKSwX/q0uEOrcf1cEh7XMqZb fgjpotyP98c= =S4QH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Passwd: encrypted pw entry
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Matthew Tebbens wrote: How can I disable an /etc/passwd entry. Isn't there something I can place in the encrypted-pw section of /etc/passwd to disable the account ? Inserting an asterisk in front of a user's encoded password will disable the account without destroying the ability to restore that account later (by removing the password). I believe an asterisk is not a valid character in the character set used by the password encrypting algorhythm, and it will also shift all of the characters into a different position. Of the thirteen characters, the first two are the salt used to make things random, and the other eleven store the encoded password. Pete -- Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? Check the donations page. It will show what has been collected. The only expense that we have incurred to this point has been the fees generated by the incorporation process, less than $600. Why was this incorporation necessary? - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Passwd: encrypted pw entry
Sorry if someone already answered this, my inbox is chaos right now... I run shadow passwd's so I: 1. type 'shadowconfig off' 2. type 'vi /etc/passwd' as root. I replace the users password with a single '*'. This is what it will look like: username:*:1000:100:[snip] 3. quit/save 4. type 'shadowconfig on' Hope this works for you. Dennis -- dpk [EMAIL PROTECTED], Systems Undergrad | work: 517.353.8892 Division of Enginnering Computing Services | page: 517.222.5875 With a PC, I always felt limited by the software available. On Unix, I am limited only by my knowledge. --Peter J. Schoenster On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Matthew Tebbens wrote: How can I disable an /etc/passwd entry. Isn't there something I can place in the encrypted-pw section of /etc/passwd to disable the account ? Thanks, Matthew -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? Check the donations page. It will show what has been collected. The only expense that we have incurred to this point has been the fees generated by the incorporation process, less than $600. Why was this incorporation necessary? One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status with the US IRS first. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are Crunchy, and good with Catsup! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: compilation problems
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: Hi, I apologize for the long message but I figure I'd better lay out all the errors. I'm having some unusual compilation problems on a new machine I'm setting up. When I try a make depend on some code, I often get one or more of the following errors: f77 -I./inc -cpp -g -C -c routine.F -o ./routine.o ./routine.F routine: mv: routine.c: I/O error `I/O error' is a hardware problem. It sounds as if there's something wrong with the hard disk. That's why the file involved keeps changing. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://lfix.co.uk/oliver Make it idiot-proof, and someone will breed a better idiot. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: hamm and compiling.
In your email to me, Bob Clark, you wrote: Tim Sailer wrote: On 1 machine I have, I'm running hamm... updating daily. Real bleeding edge. I have a problem with compiling a program that I don't understand. Here is the error: gcc -g -ansi -pedantic -Wall -I./../include -I../include ^^^ These two are equivalent. Did you mean to type ../../include? Dunno... this came out of a configure generated Makefile. in buffer starting at BUF with length of LEN bytes. */ extern char *inet_neta __P ((u_long __net, char *__buf, u_long is defined in /usr/include/linux/types.h. Are you including that file? Try using the -E switch on gcc and look at the output to see what is being sent to the compiler for the offending line. I'm not including it. I'll bet that the includes for hamm may not be pointing to it.. maybe I should purge libc[5-6]-dev and reinstall? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are Crunchy, and good with Catsup! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V97 #646
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[XINETD] problems
Hi all, I'm trying to learn xinetd so I installed 2.1.7-3 (from debian 1.2) on a debian 1.1-upgraded-to-1.2 machine. I found these (little) problems: 1. config file (when modified) is not reread using killall -USR1 xinetd or /etc/init.d/xinetd reload. I have to stop and start it 2. using log_type = FILE filename doesn't work if filename doesn't exist. Man page says it should create it, but it doesn't. Am I overlooking something? Can anyone confirm these problems? -- |||| ||| Marco Frattola Microsoft is not the answer ||`..'|| |||... Piacenza, ItalyMicrosoft is the question ||| ||| |||''[EMAIL PROTECTED]No is the answer ||| ||| ||| www.enjoy.it/users/~mk/index.html Live Linux, live free! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Calamity setting up X! Blank screen!
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: [snip] To stop xdm from starting after boot, type linux single at lilo's boot: prompt. Alternatively (in case I'm wrong about what's run in single user mode) type linux emergency to bypass nearly all the startup scripts in /etc/init.d/ resp. /etc/rc.* Then edit /etc/X11/config as prescribed. Oops. You're right Joost. This would be easier and probably faster. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Dave Cinege wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the project with donations. I have just bought 2 Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the Debian project. And since I am in such a pissed off mood over these version number let's start on these donations. Where do they go and what are they used for? Personally, I'm glad to see Debian become a little more organized and getting incorporated. It means that Debian can start paying it's own bills instead of people like Bruce going out of pocket to pay for the internic domain fees. There are many little expenses that need to be paid, far more than either you or I can probably imagine. Organizing 200+ contributors is not an easy feat, especially with no budget. On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can contribute money. Why not allow them to do such? It is their choice. Debian is not asking for donations, yet people send donations anyways. Why do you feel that this way of contributing to the project should be stopped? Whether you're donating time, resources, or cash, it all boils down to contributing money. Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just plain childish. Grow up. Behan -- Behan Webster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-613-224-7547 http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses What's going wrong now? does it have? Can you make your books public Bruce? Check the donations page. It will show what has been collected. The only expense that we have incurred to this point has been the fees generated by the incorporation process, less than $600. Why was this incorporation necessary? - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/Linux Router Project I'm using debian quite heavily, and nobody asked me to pay, so I didn't. Why should I bother what happens to the money of other people? I don't know personally any of the mayor debian activists, but I like the work they do. So why should I think they're trying to do something less honorable? Others use the list to announce their products, and while this consists just in two lines, I think that's OK. Why always suppose the worst? If anybody destroys the debian project, we just shoot him, that's OK too ;-) -- Ciccio C. Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:57:33 +0200, Ciccio wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:51:09 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive cash donations. What expenses What's going wrong now? I'm using debian quite heavily, and nobody asked me to pay, so I didn't. Why should I bother what happens to the money of other people? I don't know personally any of the mayor debian activists, but I like the work they do. So why should I think they're trying to do something less honorable? The new version naming scheme and control is based on politics and not technical reasons. If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, they could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality product. Thats their purpose as far as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers can keep their stock up to date. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: receiving vt100 printing sequences
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do i get a vc or an xterm to recognize and print vt100 print sequences? this is what i want to be able to do, in a nutshell: my.debian.machine% rsh other.debian.machine vtprint foo.txt thus causing foo.txt to be printed on the printer which is physically connected to my.debian.machine why not using remote printing? yes, i could print a file that way. but what if what i want to print is not a file? say i'm telnetted to some random remote host, and i'm using lynx on this host. i have no shell access, and the only print command available is: Use ANSI print sequence to print to attached printer if i'm in any windoze telnet program, it'll print. in debian, nope. how do i make it work? brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://weber.u.washington.edu/~maximill -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status with the US IRS first. Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... I don't see the need. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: incorporation
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no idea. Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things I had nothing to do with the decision or the incorporation, or any discussions, but as an attorney I'll stick my head in: 1) as someone already mentioned, it makes a difference for donations. 2) It has nothing to do with the US government. States grant corporate charters, not the feds (Although there are a handful of federally chartered corporations: Postal Service, Sallie Mae, etc.). 3) Liability. The corporation is legally a person. If someone got the bright idea to sue Debian (for whatever reason, including frivolous), individuals would be liable without incorporation. Incorporated, individual liability extends only to acts of that individual. rick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
At 02:00 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... I don't see the need. What about people who would like to donate with the tax write off? Why should that avenue be blocked because it won't help everyone involved? As long as it does not actually hinder people, what's wrong with adding benefits to those who donate. Marc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Squid + ipfwadm redirect transparent problems
Jose Maria Omo Millan wrote: # Redirect to Squid proxy server /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a acc -P tcp -D default/0 80 -r 8080 ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved While trying to retrieve the URL: / The http 1.0 protocol does not send requested IP address in the request. If a client asks for http://www.playboy.com; then he opens a TCP connection to 205.216.146.202:80 and sends the text GET / HTTP/1.0. Your squid would need to ask the firewall what destination IP address was in the packet, and I guess it can't do that. You can't mix proxies and straight http, they are different protocols. Mike. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status with the US IRS first. Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... I don't see the need. Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes you disagree with. These decisions have been made. The time for discussion is _over_, unless you've got something more substantial than the pot-shots you've been taking so far. If you feel these changes make it impossible for you to use Debian, we're sorry, but it looks like the time has come for you to move to another distribution or start your own or whatever. If these changes do not make it impossible for you to use Debian, then please come up with something substantial enough that it might actually make people reconsider (I'll give you a clue, I don't see the need ain't likely to work---obviously the others did) or *drop it*. Mike. -- Don't touch that! It's the History Eraser Button -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote:
If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom, they
could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality
product.
Thats their purpose as far as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers
can
keep their stock up to date.
I think that _anything_ that helps make Debian more mainstream and
available to new users is worthwhile as long as it doesn't compromise the
inherent stability and usefullness of the Debian distribution.
I say this not from a We are Hackers of Debian; Prepare to be
Assimilated or Let's take over the planet standpoint, but because in
order to get more commercially-available software into Debian
format/compatibility, we need to make the distribution commercially
viable. It'd be nice if eventually you could download netscape3024.deb
or get the newest release of your favorite
{game;utility;screensaver;officesuite} in Linux (esp. Debian) ala Quake or
Wordperfect Linux.
But it won't happen unless people are convinced that linux is a workable,
commercially-viable alternative to products from Gates, Inc. I think
Debian's the best shot it's got.
Will
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: Dave Cinege wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: my company uses Debian very seriously so I think is very fair to help the project with donations. I have just bought 2 Official Debian 1.3.1 CD's from LSL and I chose the product that includes a 5 dollar donation to the Debian project. And since I am in such a pissed off mood over these version number let's start on these donations. Where do they go and what are they used for? Personally, I'm glad to see Debian become a little more organized and getting incorporated. They didn't need to get incorpoated to become more orginized. The United States or any one of them has no interest in our international communal project. It means that Debian can start paying it's own bills instead of people like Bruce going out of pocket to pay for the internic domain fees. Then tell him to rep a few CD-R's out and not pander an 'official' CD to high volume leach cookie cutters. There are many little expenses that need to be paid, far more than either you or I can probably imagine. Organizing 200+ contributors is not an easy feat, especially with no budget. Bahh. It's part of our way of life. It's like saying my projects incur the cost of my internet accessit's something I would have anyway, and couldn't live without. If cost (besides in time) are getting noticly more then what he does for himself, it's time to bring in another person to help share the load. On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can contribute money. To who? Am I a part of Debian.org? Do I have a vote.even if I maintain 50 packages?? You'll seethe cash will lead to bills created by the corp, that in turn will create more bills, and there by creating a relience on direct finacial support. The point is you CAN'T just donate money to Debian. 'Debian' is the efforts of several hundred people; it's not a physical thing. Why not allow them to do such? It is their choice. Debian is not asking for donations, yet people send donations anyways. Why do you feel that this way of contributing to the project should be stopped? Whether you're donating time, resources, or cash, it all boils down to contributing money. No it does not. It would be hard to put a monetary figure on the badwidth donated by ftp sites. This is the only real need the Debian *developers* require. What this corpoation is doing, why it even is I still don't understand. It doesn't represent the people behind Debian. It doesn't offer them any protections. All it does is create an expense, where there was none. And that expense creates a desire to get money from the project, where there was none. Were you asked if you wanted the version control change? No, we we're told that it was going to be changed, and purely for the sake of appesment of the larger CD makers. Debian is not about profit. The orginizes should not be worrying about it how many cd's they get sent outit obviously is interfering with the technical aspects of the project. Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just plain childish. Grow up. Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just plain childish. Grow up. Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced from the list. Like Behan said, grow up. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
X installation calamity solved. Thank you!
Thanks to Joost Kooi for suggesting I could bypass my mis-installed X installation by typing ``linux single'' at the LILO prompt. This allowed me to delete some stuff and salvage my system. As a minor matter, typing ``linux emergency'' did not work. I was able to get on. Even though I was supposedly root, however, I was told that all my files were read-only, so I could not change. Anyway, thanks again! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status with the US IRS first. Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. and of what harm? if there's enough interest from outside the US (in donations, not in usage) there's no reason related steps couldn't be taken. How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... guess again. Partial usage for charitable concerns could be deducted. However, the entire machine network costs are probably already deducted as business expenses. rick, esq. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: incorporation
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:09:25 CDT, Rick Hawkins wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no idea. Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things I had nothing to do with the decision or the incorporation, or any discussions, but as an attorney I'll stick my head in: Let me cover my throat 1) as someone already mentioned, it makes a difference for donations. Overall? No. Can we pretend that it does? Sure...that's what law is all about... 2) It has nothing to do with the US government. States grant corporate charters, not the feds No difference from a legal stand point, and you should already know his. An artifical entity as no natural rights, but only government granted privleges. The Feds can claim jurisdiction over it where they could (according to the US constitution) never set foot with a natural person Doesn't matter at what level is was created. 3) Liability. The corporation is legally a person. If someone got the bright idea to sue Debian (for whatever reason, including frivolous), individuals would be liable without incorporation. Incorporated, individual liability extends only to acts of that individual. Where as before it was just a concept (and concepts can't be sued) now debian is a thing that can be messed with. The exsitence of a 'Debian' posses a threat to the work of all the world around the world. And how does that cover a single developers? Are we all part of the corp (in writing)? The only people who have limited liabilities with Debian are direct employees and officiers of the corp. Not me. Not Ian Murdock over in the UK. Not any of the fine mainters in DE. Not even the people stuck in this god forsaken country. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
new install
Hi Just got a new computer with 2 Quantum Fireball ST2.1A and a Pioneer ATAPI CD (DR-A24X) I'am having some problems... I can boot the system and come to the point where Please wait Installation is determining the current state .. and then the screen starts to be filed with hdb: irq timeout: error 0x20 hdb: irq timeout: status 0x51 hdb: irq timeout: error 0x20 hdb: irq timeout: status 0x51 hdb: irq timeout: error 0x20 hdb: irq timeout: status 0x51 If I go to the VC2 and use dmesg | more everything looks right (400.59 BogoMIPS). At the boot prompt I've tried boot: linux hdb=cdrom and boot: linux hdc=cdrom with no positive result. Any help will be apreciated. Karsten -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just plain childish. Grow up. Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced from the list. Like Behan said, grow up. Then fuck you too. Bounce me. Weld you're power to stifle my 'bad' speech. Dare you use your filter instead. Sic semper tyrannis! - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:19:55 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: At 02:00 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... I don't see the need. What about people who would like to donate with the tax write off? Why should that avenue be blocked because it won't help everyone involved? As long as it does not actually hinder people, what's wrong with adding benefits to those who donate. They don't have it yet. If they get it, how peope can use it will be limited. In most case it won't even be feesable - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: In your email to me, Dave Cinege, you wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: Personally I think you're blowing things way out of proportion simply because you can't have things your way. Venting this anger by trying to imply that donated money is somehow being mispent is just plain childish. Grow up. Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. Resorting to vulgarities on a public mailing list should get you bounced from the list. Like Behan said, grow up. Then fuck you too. Bounce me. Weld you're power to stifle my 'bad' speech. Dare you use your filter instead. I have no such power. -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
G77 (was Re: compilation problems)
Thus Spake Michael Taeschner: Did you try to install GNU fortran77, the real f77 compiler? BTW it comes in version 0.5.20 in stable (though 5.20 is known to have bugs), maybe somewhere 0.5.19.1 is somewhere around as .deb? The bo-updates section has 0.5.19.1. Awaiting g77 0.5.21 soon, Don't hold your breath. I've heard that it's been indefinitely delayed, sort of like gcc 2.8. If you feel like living dangerously (and are using a libc6 development environment) the egcs compiler package (experimental new gcc version; see http://www.cygnus.com/egcs/) is heading for experimental as soon as the first non-snapshot release comes out. This will have a eg77 package, which is a pre-beta version of 0.5.21 designed to work with egcc. --Galen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
At 02:56 PM 8/21/97 -0400, Dave Cinege wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:19:55 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: What about people who would like to donate with the tax write off? Why should that avenue be blocked because it won't help everyone involved? As long as it does not actually hinder people, what's wrong with adding benefits to those who donate. They don't have it yet. If they get it, how peope can use it will be limited. In most case it won't even be feesable Okay, I'm not sure where we disagree then. You admit that In most cases it won't even be feasible, but this also means that in some cases, it would be feasible. Why not give that option to people? Just wondering. Later, Marc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:33:41 -0400 (EDT), Tim Sailer wrote: One of the reasons is that when people make a donation, it could be tax deductable. Right now it is not. We have to get 501(c)3 status with the US IRS first. Why? Of what intestest is that to the people that don't live in the USA. How much in donations are to planning to work towards? Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Hell no... I don't see the need. Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes you disagree with. These decisions have been made. The time for discussion is _over_, unless you've got something more substantial than the pot-shots you've been taking so far. Who? I've been reading this list long before the the notice of incorpoation came through. I never saw any discussion about it. Excuse me if I missed it, but I never remember seeing a single post asking if it was OK if a few guys in the group became 'Debian' If you feel these changes make it impossible for you to use Debian, we're sorry, but it looks like the time has come for you to move to another distribution or start your own or whatever. I just spoke with someone today about this, and he said it looks like this crap might just do that. If these changes do not make it impossible for you to use Debian, then please come up with something substantial enough that it might actually make people reconsider (I'll give you a clue, I don't see the need ain't likely to work---obviously the others did) or *drop it*. I've said it ten times. Politics are starting to come into play over the technical aspects of the distribution. If it is furthered it will either destroy the project or break it up. There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now I'm ventting my shit with full force. I see where this is leading. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: G77 (was Re: compilation problems)
Hi, On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Galen Hazelwood wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:01:44 -0600 From: Galen Hazelwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.DEBIAN.org Subject: G77 (was Re: compilation problems) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:04:20 + Resent-From: debian-user@lists.DEBIAN.org Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; Thus Spake Michael Taeschner: Did you try to install GNU fortran77, the real f77 compiler? BTW it comes in version 0.5.20 in stable (though 5.20 is known to have bugs), maybe somewhere 0.5.19.1 is somewhere around as .deb? The bo-updates section has 0.5.19.1. Awaiting g77 0.5.21 soon, Don't hold your breath. I've heard that it's been indefinitely delayed, sort of like gcc 2.8. nope, it will be released about Sep 1st and based on gcc 2.7.2.3 If you feel like living dangerously (and are using a libc6 development environment) the egcs compiler package (experimental new gcc version; see http://www.cygnus.com/egcs/) is heading for experimental as soon as the first non-snapshot release comes out. This will have a eg77 package, which is a pre-beta version of 0.5.21 designed to work with egcc. i've got amazing speed out of egcs g77 benchmarks ! Feel free to ask in private e-mail OK -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: G77 (was Re: compilation problems)
Galen Hazelwood wrote: Thus Spake Michael Taeschner: Awaiting g77 0.5.21 soon, Don't hold your breath. I've heard that it's been indefinitely delayed, sort of like gcc 2.8. Craig Burley is planning the release of g77 0.5.21 on September 1st, or at least so he wrote two days ago. -- Thomas Koenig, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic diagram. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:11:16 -0400, Marc W. Brooks wrote: Okay, I'm not sure where we disagree then. You admit that In most cases it won't even be feasible, but this also means that in some cases, it would be feasible. Could be...could. Why not give that option to people? Just wondering. Because of the 'baggage' involved with having the corp IMHO is not worth it. How much would it let us benift? The love of the product is why people donated. For those that actually pay taxes, I doubt the write off would be a deciding factor. Regardless of my feelings about the corp, the main issue to me has always been the product. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Hi, Dave == Dave Cinege [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: Dave I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive Dave cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your Dave books public Bruce? Personally, I think a less confrontational tone would be more appropriate. You think that the domain registration is free? Do you think that the project can depend on all the machines on our ftp sites to be donated? That the Linux organizations all have no fee? If I were to take as confrontaional a view as you have, I might point out that as far I can see, you have made no contribution to the project beyond griping, (and *possibly* a _voluntary_ contribution); IMHO, the least you can do is be polite. However, I shall not descend into those depths. Do you have any basis for the implication that Bruce is doing things underhandedly with the money? Dave The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is Dave still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. I am sorry that you do not like it. However, the project can't be all things to all people. My native friends tell me that the appropriate reaction it ``tough''. Dave The project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all Dave over the world. Freeholders? Volunteers, mainly, I would have said. Not freeloaders. (cheap shot, I know). Dave Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no Dave idea. The government is invlved minimally, I think. A private company can accept money and pay bills (I think it is very miserly for people to want everything for FREE, but expect the volunteers to pay for the project). It may also apply for a tax exepmt status (which means that the project means to be non-profitable) Dave Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged Dave entiy? Get real. Dave It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need Dave permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other Dave anarchists here are also wondering about these things You are perfectly free to start your own distribution of Linux, you and all other ``anarchists'' (anyone else thinking of Natasha and Boris?). Nobody is taking your precious little OS from you. Manoj otherwise known as Bullwinkle -- The desire of power in excess caused angels to fall; the desire of knowledge in excess caused man to fall; but in charity is no excess, neither can man or angels come into danger by it. -- Bacon Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Installing Linux
I was wondering if there was a way to install Linux without formatting my hard-drive and destorying the existing partitions. I currently use Win95, but want to try Linux out. As such, I would like to have Linux as the dominant OS, but wish to be able to switch to Win95 if I ever had to access some of the data and apps I have. I know that LILO exists, but all of the messages I've read so far seem to imply that I will have to format my drive. I really, really don't want to do this. Any other solutions short of buying Partition Magic? I have a 2.1 gig C: and a 1.1 gig D:. Win95 resides on C:. Thanx, -Davison P.S. I haven't got enough money to buy a Zip to back my stuff up. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: G77 (was Re: compilation problems)
Oleg Krivosheev wrote: nope, it will be released about Sep 1st and based on gcc 2.7.2.3 That's good news. Unfortunately, if it's based on 2.7.2.3, that means there probably won't be a libc5 version of it. If that's going to inconvenience anybody, let me know, and I'll...see what I can do. --Galen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installing Linux
In your email to me, Davison Avery, you wrote: I was wondering if there was a way to install Linux without formatting my hard-drive and destorying the existing partitions. I currently use Win95, but want to try Linux out. As such, I would like to have Linux as the dominant OS, but wish to be able to switch to Win95 if I ever had to access some of the data and apps I have. I know that LILO exists, but all of the messages I've read so far seem to imply that I will have to format my drive. I really, really don't want to do this. Any other solutions short of buying Partition Magic? You don't have to reformat. 'fips' does the same thing (in a basic way) as partition magic. I have a 2.1 gig C: and a 1.1 gig D:. Win95 resides on C:. If you 1.1 is free for linux, you can load the linux stuff on there, and, after you get it built (still booting from a floppy), you can either install loadlin and boot from within dos/win, or install lilo on the MBR of your first drive. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: Sidetracking the issue insults my intellegence. Fuck you. Your own comment insults your intellegence (what little I have seen) far more than Behan. Try a comment with more thought involved, Dwarf P.S. I've never understood why that particular phrase is used as an insult. If the right person speaks the phrase, I am not at all insulted. -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[X] why does X kill my modem?
Hi all...
Oh no! He's back with another problem. :-)
This one has me really puzzled. When I run X, I can't dial out with my
modem. Until recently, I didn't run X very much so I pretty much forgot
about the problem. Now I want to start using X more so the problem needs
to be solved.
My machine is a 486/133 (AMD's fast 486 chip) with VLB bus. It has 4
serial ports (ttyS0 to S3). ttyS0 and ttyS1 are 16450 UARTs on the
floppy/hard drive controller. ttyS2 and ttyS3 are 16550 UARTs on a
separate card. My system is configured like this:
ttyS0 serial mouse
ttyS1 unused
ttyS2 X10 controller (unused most of the time)
ttyS3 modem (USR 33.6, external)
The modem is on ttyS3 to avoid IRQ conflicts with the mouse. I use mgetty
and run diald (v1.16.4) to bring up the connection to my ISP. I can also
use minicom to dialup local BBSs, etc. This all works very well when X
isn't running, so I know it isn't a hardware problem.
THE PROBLEM: When I start X, diald can no longer bring up my PPP
connection. I can't use minicom to dial out. ttyS3 is completely hosed,
i.e. the modem lights don't flicker so the modem isn't getting any
commands. I stuck a Radio Shack RS-232 mini-tester (just LEDs on each of
the 8 lines) to watch the status of the port. Nothing is getting through.
When I kill the X server, the port remains dead. I can't use minicom or
get diald to bring up the PPP connection. The only way to restore things
to normal is ctrl-alt-del.
Is there something buried in X which enables/disables the serial ports?
If so, what and where? If not, does anyone have suggestions as to what
might be going on here?
TIA...
Bob
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Hi, Dave == Dave Cinege [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave The new version naming scheme and control is based on politics Dave and not technical reasons. But it is not technically inferior to the previous naming convention in any way. Dave If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings Dave CD-Rom, they could get back to simply working towards the Dave orginazation of a quality product. Thats their purpose as far Dave as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers can keep their Dave stock up to date. Then you are naive. The best product (Betamax,apple) can die out if absolutely no effort is made to promote it. And it is not as if we decided on a technically inferior naming scheme. I don't see why you are making such a mountain out of this. In any case, your perception of the Projects purpose may not be relevant to the people who comprise the project. We think we can a quality free product without ignoring our commercial friends. (Oh, yes, we do have commercially inclined friends, though this may shock you). manoj -- You can't tell which way the train is going by looking at the tracks. unknown Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:20:36 -0400 (EDT), Will Lowe wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote:
If the orginization were not invloded in promotions, and makings CD-Rom,
they
could get back to simply working towards the orginazation of a quality
product.
Thats their purpose as far as I'm concerned, not worring about if CD makers
can
keep their stock up to date.
I think that _anything_ that helps make Debian more mainstream and
available to new users is worthwhile as long as it doesn't compromise the
inherent stability and usefullness of the Debian distribution.
Here here. But it should not be anyones jobs. You can't bring that
commerization
aspet in with the people that make decsions on the future of a free product.
It
sways thems
I say this not from a We are Hackers of Debian; Prepare to be
Assimilated or Let's take over the planet standpoint, but because in
order to get more commercially-available software into Debian
format/compatibility, we need to make the distribution commercially
viable. It'd be nice if eventually you could download netscape3024.deb
or get the newest release of your favorite
{game;utility;screensaver;officesuite} in Linux (esp. Debian) ala Quake or
Wordperfect Linux.
But it won't happen unless people are convinced that linux is a workable,
commercially-viable alternative to products from Gates, Inc. I think
Debian's the best shot it's got.
You should't even worry about that. What will happen, will happen because of
how
good debian is. I'm not saying hide it, just don't do things that puts the
orginaizers
in a competative state with each other.
Getting the word out is all that is needed. Making CDs available (not just
cheap!) is
scifecent and something custimarily handled by several developers in the group.
If cheapbytes wants to rep out 5 thousand CD's that's their perogative. But we
should in no way feel obligated to cater to their ability to sell those cd's.
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Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?
In your email to me, Bob Billson, you wrote: Hi all... Oh no! He's back with another problem. :-) This one has me really puzzled. When I run X, I can't dial out with my modem. Until recently, I didn't run X very much so I pretty much forgot about the problem. Now I want to start using X more so the problem needs to be solved. My machine is a 486/133 (AMD's fast 486 chip) with VLB bus. It has 4 serial ports (ttyS0 to S3). ttyS0 and ttyS1 are 16450 UARTs on the floppy/hard drive controller. ttyS2 and ttyS3 are 16550 UARTs on a separate card. My system is configured like this: ttyS0 serial mouse ttyS1 unused ttyS2 X10 controller (unused most of the time) ttyS3 modem (USR 33.6, external) The modem is on ttyS3 to avoid IRQ conflicts with the mouse. I use mgetty and run diald (v1.16.4) to bring up the connection to my ISP. I can also use minicom to dialup local BBSs, etc. This all works very well when X isn't running, so I know it isn't a hardware problem. What IRQs are you using for all these? If you are sharing 3 and 4 between 3 devices, that could be the problem. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
cfengine question?
Hi,
Would some please show me what is wrong with the following
cfengine that is sent to my 'root' every day:
--8 ---
cfengine:/etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf:53: parse error
cfengine::Execution terminated after parsing due to errors in program
--8 ---
Here is my /etc/cfengine.cf:
--8 ---
#! /usr/bin/cfengine -f
control:
access = ( root )
domain = ( mycompany.com )
netmask = ( 255.255.255.0 )
timezone= ( CDT )
mountpattern= ( / )
homepattern = ( home* )
sysadm = ( root )
editfilesize= ( 4192 )
adminfiles = ( /etc/cfengine )
repository = ( /var/backups/cfengine )
actionsequence = (
checktimezone
# editfiles
# copy
# tidy
# shellcommands
# links
)
broadcast:
ones
links:
linux::
/dev/core - /proc/kcore
tidy:
Monday::
/ pattern=*..cfsaved recurse=inf age=7
/ pattern=*~ recurse=inf age=7
/ pattern=#* recurse=inf age=7
/ pattern=corerecurse=inf age=1
shellcommands:
disable:
/etc/hosts.equiv
/etc/nologin
editfiles:
{ /etc/init.d/boot
SetCommentStart #
SetCommentEnd
WarnIfNoLineMatching'[#]*echo -n Cleaning up /tmp... '
LocateLineMatching '^echo -n Cleaning up /tmp...
'
CommentToLineMatching 'echo done.'
}
# local variables:
# tab-width: 4
# end:
--8 ---
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Re: How do I create a rescue disk?
Hi, I think that the boot-floppies package is used to create the rescues disk (as well as the other, root, boot, and base floppy disks). It may not be very user friendly (the description says used by advanced debian people). manoj -- Seven years of college, down the drain. John Blutarski Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:42:02 -0400, Behan Webster wrote: Dave Cinege wrote: On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can contribute money. To who? Am I a part of Debian.org? Do I have a vote.even if I maintain 50 packages?? Do you maintain even one? About your other points: not worth to reply. If you really need your own way, append a .1 with a black marker on all version numbers on screen. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote I don't see the need. Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes you disagree with. These decisions have been made. The time for discussion is _over_, unless you've got something more substantial than the pot-shots you've been taking so far. Who? The Debian developers---the people who *are* Debian. And if you doubt that for a moment, consider the two questions and their answers: Q: Can the developers develop the distribution without any users? A: Sure. It's stupid, but it can certainly be done. Q: Can the users use the distribution without the developers? A: No, because without developers no distribution exists. I've been reading this list long before the the notice of incorpoation came through. I never saw any discussion about it. Excuse me if I missed it, but I never remember seeing a single post asking if it was OK if a few guys in the group became 'Debian' I'm sorry, you seem to have some rather unusual ideas about how Debian is structured. The developers are Debian. The developers are the ones who put in a majority of the work (though I'll gladly admit that there are numerous users who devote a heck of a lot of time helping others, thanks guys), and in return for that work, they get the privelege of helping make decisions regarding the technical and organizational direction of the project as a whole. (Some might suggest that this is like rewarding people for good customer service by subjecting them to electroshock therapy, but it's the best we've come up with.) So, discussions of technical and/or organizational details take place on the debian-devel list, where the developers are. We actively solicit the input of users, and try really hard to accomodate users' needs, but, in the end, the developers make the decision. If you would like to directly participate in this process, I suggest you consider expending some effort and earning the privelege. Then you will have a full-fledged voice in the process. If you feel these changes make it impossible for you to use Debian, we're sorry, but it looks like the time has come for you to move to another distribution or start your own or whatever. I just spoke with someone today about this, and he said it looks like this crap might just do that. Sorry. Tough. Happens. There was no good reason for a corp to be formed. I kept quite. There was no good reason to put out an 'Official' cd (which hurt a lot of our CD-R guys), and I kept quite. Now for the most pethtic reason, the entire version control system (and quality of product, both perceived and actual) is at stake. Now I'm ventting my shit with full force. I see where this is leading. There was a good reason for forming a corporation---removing legal liability of the developers. As one of those developers, I would have been sincerely pissed if I'd found myself a defendent in court over a matter pertaining to Debian. As for an official CD, which are you referring to, exactly? Now, Debian creates a CD image that anyone is welcome to use. That was done to try and insure that people who bought CDs from vendors not intimately connected with Debian could have a reasonable chance of getting a working set. It had to do with seeing that our name wasn't mud because of mistakes that weren't our own---I suppose you could call that political. I call it sensitivity to users needs. As far as the issue of release naming, well, I don't feel strongly about it. But I will point out that this is an all volunteer project, and as the people who badgered David Miller about a 2.0.31 kernel found out, venting your shit will full force is most likely to get the developers---the ones doing the actual work of making the distribution---to quit bothering to do work for you. So why don't you either put up or shut up? Mike. -- Don't touch that! It's the History Eraser Button -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
The discussion is funny but inappropriate, but I think this is just what Dave wanted. However: On Aug 21, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Dave == Dave Cinege [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are perfectly free to start your own distribution of Linux, you and all other ``anarchists'' Hey, you can even base your Distribution on Debian 1.3.1 revision 2! And donate your income tax-reductable to Debian. (anyone else thinking of Natasha and Boris?). Nobody is taking your precious little OS from you ^ Please Manoj, you can do better (but I don't worry :-) Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no idea. Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things The government has always been involved. In general though, it is state law, not federal, that controls, and (if I remember correctly) most states impose personal liability (as in they come and take away your house and car) for unorganized groups such as Debian was. The personal liability would not have stopped at Bruce either, and theoretically could have extend to those who whine about version numbers. ;-) Now for your anarchist side, when governments become overbearing they tend to nationalize -- meaning they take property away from corporations (and other private organizations or individuals) for the supposed general welfare. So, it is not difficult to see that freedom from intrusive government does not necessarily imply fewer corporations. As a matter of fact, strong and health corporations arguably contribute as much to your personal autonomy as any other single factor. Paul Serice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
adduser and user names containing 8 bits chars
Hi, i'm using the latest adduser package from bo-updates and i found that it does not accept user names containing 8 bits chars. I'm talking about a user's full name (first name + family name), not short name (login name or home directory name). I don't know if such names are supposed to be valid, so i'm asking here before reporting it as a bug. However such names are very frequent in some countries including France. Moreover other programs reading /etc/passwd (for instance finger) support 8 bits chars, once the file is edited. What do you think ? -- Laurent. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On 21 Aug 1997 13:23:32 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Dave == Dave Cinege [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:28:10 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: Dave I think Debian was doing just fine before it started to receive Dave cash donations. What expenses does it have? Can you make your Dave books public Bruce? Personally, I think a less confrontational tone would be more appropriate. You think that the domain registration is free? No, I know it isn't as I pay for my own. Do you think that the project can depend on all the machines on our ftp sites to be donated? Yes. It has to. That the Linux organizations all have no fee? No. We have redhat, and caldera, and other distributions that are not. If I were to take as confrontaional a view as you have, I might point out that as far I can see, you have made no contribution to the project beyond griping, (and *possibly* a _voluntary_ contribution); IMHO, the least you can do is be polite. However, I shall not descend into those depths. Do you have any basis for the implication that Bruce is doing things underhandedly with the money? I never meant to insinuate Bruce is doing something underhanded, just that ther are no real expences to speak of past what they are *additionally* creating for themselves. If you want to go ahead and put a number on FTP access you could. If that had to be bought out right, the project would collapse instantly. Enough money to buy it could not realisticly be raised. Ever. Dave The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is Dave still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. I am sorry that you do not like it. However, the project can't be all things to all people. My native friends tell me that the appropriate reaction it ``tough''. Jeez I guess I set my expectations too high, looking for an OS that doesn't have 15 different revs per minor number. Was the bug fix in the 1,3 R2 that was relases this week or the 1.3 R2 that was released last week? Oh well, who cares Dave Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no Dave idea. The government is invlved minimally, I think. A private company can accept money and pay bills (I think it is very miserly for people to want everything for FREE, but expect the volunteers to pay for the project). It may also apply for a tax exepmt status (which means that the project means to be non-profitable) What bills? Is there a Debian hot line? 800-call-debian? Dave Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged Dave entiy? Get real. That's what a corporation is; a fictitous person. Get a law book. Dave It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need Dave permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other Dave anarchists here are also wondering about these things You are perfectly free to start your own distribution of Linux, It's looks like maybe Bruce already has - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:05:09 +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On top of that, not everyone can donate time or resourses, but they can contribute money. To who? Am I a part of Debian.org? Do I have a vote.even if I maintain 50 packages?? Do you maintain even one? No, but I am leading a project that uses Debian as it's base and will be finalzed in 5+ packages. Somebody out there that does maintain alot of packages...Where you asked? About your other points: not worth to reply. Thank you for sparing me yours. If you really need your own way, append a .1 with a black marker on all version numbers on screen. It's not about .1 R1, or Asub1, to the 2nd power of 4. It's about something that is frozen, actully staying frozen. If the disc says 1.3.1, I should be able crccheck the whole damn thing against the master 1.3.1 dist, and have it come up clean. Right NOW you can't even do that, and according to what bruce posted it is going to get worse, for the benefit of some cd makers. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Tim Sailer wrote:
What IRQs are you using for all these? If you are sharing 3 and 4 between
3 devices, that could be the problem.
ttyS0 and ttyS3 are IRQ 3
ttyS2 and ttyS4 are IRQ 4
I keep the modem (on ttyS4) separate from the mouse (on ttyS0) to avoid
conflicts.
The X10 controller on ttyS3 should not be a problem. It uses a software
UART. It *never* sends anything on its own. It only sends something in
response to a query from my machine. That only happens once a week in the
early morning hours to sync the controller's clock. It also happens
occasionally to update the controller to adjust for seasonal changes.
All this works fine when X is not running. This is why I'm puzzled to
what X is changing.
Any other ideas?
Bob
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Re: help - 1.3 upgrade killed XFree86
Kenneth Gaugler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yesterday I used the dselect/ftp method to upgrade my machine from Debian Linux 1.2 to 1.3. The system is now running 1.3, but X doesn't work anymore. Normally I have xdm starting at boot time; now the screen never comes up but the relays inside the monitor click about every second and there is a flash on the screen. I assumed something changed in the S3 driver (I am using Stealth64/DRAM). I disabled xdm at startup and did a startx /tmp/x.out 21 to capture the error messages at startup and came up with some things I have never seen before, like error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy You should check if this file exits. If not, reinstall at least the xbase package (I currently have 3.3-3 installed). It seems as xbase has not been installed correctly. This file is part of the package. Torsten -- What a depressingly stupid machine The Restaurant at the End of the Universe PGP Public Key is available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: adduser and user names containing 8 bits chars
Hi, i'm using the latest adduser package from bo-updates and i found that it does not accept user names containing 8 bits chars. I'm talking about a user's full name (first name + family name), not short name (login name or home directory name). I don't know if such names are supposed to be valid, so i'm asking here before reporting it as a bug. Did you try do use --force-badname as an option to adduser? However such names are very frequent in some countries including France. Moreover other programs reading /etc/passwd (for instance finger) support 8 bits chars, once the file is edited. What do you think ? -- Laurent. That's all I know about adduser 8-bit characters... Please let me know if it's another kind of problem. Daniel. __ Daniel Doro Ferranteemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cecm.usp.br/~danieldf CECM - Curso Experimental de Ciencias Moleculares - USP Experimental Course of Molecular Sciences - University of Sao Paulo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:44:11 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:27 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote I don't see the need. Well, many others did. And many others agreed with the other changes you disagree with. These decisions have been made. The time for discussion is _over_, unless you've got something more substantial than the pot-shots you've been taking so far. Who? The Debian developers---the people who *are* Debian. And if you doubt that for a moment, consider the two questions and their answers: Oh boy...is this going in a circle... So, discussions of technical and/or organizational details take place on the debian-devel list, where the developers are. We actively solicit the input of users, and try really hard to accomodate users' needs, but, in the end, the developers make the decision. So this new revision scheme was agreed upon on the devl list? It was suggested, discussed and decided on the devel list? That's not how it was convaded to me. There was a good reason for forming a corporation---removing legal liability of the developers. As one of those developers, I would have been sincerely pissed if I'd found myself a defendent in court over a matter pertaining to Debian. It does no such thing. Are you an officier? Employee? Even formally subconctrated? Guess you ain't covered then. As for an official CD, which are you referring to, exactly? Now, Debian creates a CD image that anyone is welcome to use. That was done to try and insure that people who bought CDs from vendors not intimately connected with Debian could have a reasonable chance of getting a working set. It had to do with seeing that our name wasn't mud because of mistakes that weren't our own---I suppose you could call that political. I call it sensitivity to users needs. These official CD's where pushed as masters to CD makers. Low and behold by the time the order of 1.3 CDs comes in 1.3.1 is out. The cd makers are pissed, and now the whole way the version control will be done in the project is to make the Official CD a more viable product for deb.org to sell to high volume repers. THAT is political. As far as the issue of release naming, well, I don't feel strongly about it. But I will point out that this is an all volunteer project, and as the people who badgered David Miller about a 2.0.31 kernel found out, venting your shit will full force is most likely to get the developers---the ones doing the actual work of making the distribution---to quit bothering to do work for you. So why don't you either put up or shut up? Rev each change and I'm happy enough to be quite. This is the only reason I started yelling, I still feel it is a good one. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, I wrote:
ttyS0 and ttyS3 are IRQ 3
ttyS2 and ttyS4 are IRQ 4
I *meant* to type:
ttyS0 and ttyS2 are IRQ 3
ttyS1 and ttyS3 are IRQ 4
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:52:36 -0500, Paul Serice wrote: The purpose behind the official incorporation for Debian is still beyand me, and the more I think about it I don't like it. The project (like linux) has always been for freeholders all over the world. Why the US government suddenly has to get involded, I have no idea. Why does Debian need to be an artificial US government privedged entiy? It's our OS. We collectivly own it. Why do we suddenly need permission from someone to exists I'm sure some of the other anarchists here are also wondering about these things The government has always been involved. In general though, it is With the developers and servers in Germany? nl? state law, not federal, that controls, and (if I remember correctly) most states impose personal liability (as in they come and take away your house and car) for unorganized groups such as Debian was. They could have not followed anything past the guy that caused it. Now they can. Now for your anarchist side, when governments become overbearing they As ours has. tend to nationalize -- As ours has. meaning they take property away from corporations (and other private organizations or individuals) for the supposed general welfare. As ours does. So, it is not difficult to see that freedom from intrusive government does not necessarily imply fewer corporations. A corporation is a creatation of the state. For the most part it is an extension of government. A well behaved corp is never punished. As a matter of fact, strong and health corporations arguably contribute as much to your personal autonomy as any other single factor. I highly doubt this. - http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/linux-router/ Linux Router Project -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
POV-ray?
Hello, Does anyone who uses POV know why I cann't see http://www.pov.org/ ? Can you see it or not? Thanx -- Greg. -- What do you want to spend today? Debian GNU/Linux (Free for an UNLIMITED time) http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html Greg VenceKH2EA/4 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
debian on compaq
Just a reminder, I was having a hard time getting Debian to install on my Compaq. Got lots of help from this list. In case I forgot anyone, please forgive me. I would like to thank Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] for pointing out that my cdrom was actually /dev/hdc so I was able to mount it to get the binaries for dselect. The dmesg trick was pretty cool, thanks to the dude that showed me that one ( he originally had more | dmesg but I was able to figure it out eventually ). I do in fact have the compaq bios problem and what I need to get around it - thanks to Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] for that. Also [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nico De Ranter) for telling me that I was not crazy for not being able to get the network adapter to work. Hopefully I got everyone, and once I get the netork adapter I'll be able to move my code over and then I'll really start causing trouble :) Thanks again, Alfonso. -- Alfonso E. Urdaneta VOX: 407.729.3840 Harris Corp/Transcomm Division FAX: 407.729.1962 PO Box 5100, MS 6B.3827mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Melbourne, FL 32902.5100 http://www.transcomm.ess.harris.com The Harris Corporation agrees with everything I say. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: It's not about .1 R1, or Asub1, to the 2nd power of 4. It's about something that is frozen, actully staying frozen. If the disc says 1.3.1, I should be able crccheck the whole damn thing against the master 1.3.1 dist, and have it come up clean. Right NOW you can't even do that, Not true! 1.3.1 is a fixed object, available as an Official image. It hasn't changed since its release, and, to the best of my knowledge, will not ever change. and according to what bruce posted it is going to get worse, for the benefit of some cd makers. I don't see anything getting worse! Each revision will be properly noted. We aren't doing this for the benefit of CD makers. This is for the benefit of the end user (remember them?) who needs to be able to go to a local retailer and purchase the Debian distribution. If the CD manufacturer is forced to loose his shirt every time he tries to distribute this product, he is not likely to try again, and others who might have tried will be discouraged from the attempt. I we truely want Debian to be a benefit to as many people as possible, we can't continue to treat this product as our personal property only useful to some 200 developers and a few hundred users. Success is to be measured by how many people can get access to our product. As much as we may dislike having such discussions, marketing issues must be addressed if this goal is to be met. Technical excellence is not the only requirement for a marketable product. (look at M$ products if you are unconvinced) Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
On Aug 21, Dave Cinege wrote Rev each change and I'm happy enough to be quite. This is the only reason I started yelling, I still feel it is a good one. Yes, well, I'm suggesting you should shut up regardless. Mike. -- Don't touch that! It's the History Eraser Button -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: POV-ray?
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Greg Vence wrote:
Does anyone who uses POV know why I cann't see http://www.pov.org/ ?
Try www.povray.org, instead.
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Re: Show me the money Re: Donations to Debian
Gee, calm down a bit please, Dave. Where has the money gone? So far, it's mostly been into the bootstrap expenses of a non-profit. This was something like $400 for incorporation, and $2000 for the IRS 501(c)3. Once the 501(c)3 is completed, U.S. citizens who donate to Debian can write off their donation (that means if you have a 33% tax bracket you get 33 cents back on the dollar). People who travel for Debian can write off their mileage and travel expenses. Once the 501(c)3 is over, the money will go to supporting free software, sending people to trade shows to talk about Debian and Linux, etc. Tim Sailer [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the treasurer. Why a non-profit corporation? I have a house and some Pixar stock. Suppose I get sued over Debian: Before the corporation, I could have lost the house and the Pixar stock. Putting Valerie and any kids we might have on the street for Debian is more than I'd like to do. With the corporation, it's the corporation that gets sued and its assets that are at stake, not mine. This applies to all of the Debian developers, many of whom have a lot to lose. I could not in good faith leave them exposed to that liability. Note that FSF is the same kind of corporation, a non-profit with a 501(c)3. Who paid for stuff before we started collecting donations? Me. I don't have any more money for that, sorry. Why is there an Official CD? To get Debian into more users hands. It's working _very_ well so far. It did cut down on the business of a few CD-R people, but CD-R is for small distribution runs and we were trying to make some big distribution runs. Note also that we are not forcing anyone to use the Official CD. You can make any kind of CD you want as long as you comply with the software licenses. Why change the version numbering scheme? It is a small change, it makes sense for marketing reasons, it is easy to do, and there was no reason not to do it. We're not holding up releases because of it. Should our having a corporation drive people away from Debian? I don't see why. FSF and Linux International have corporations. It's not like we're trying to be microsoft or something. We are trying to operate like any large non-profit organization. Do you want to do something differently? That's fine with us. You are welcome to derive from Debian and make an FTP-only distribution, etc. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [X] why does X kill my modem?
In your email to me, Bob Billson, you wrote: On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, I wrote: ttyS0 and ttyS3 are IRQ 3 ttyS2 and ttyS4 are IRQ 4 I *meant* to type: ttyS0 and ttyS2 are IRQ 3 ttyS1 and ttyS3 are IRQ 4 This *will* be the problem. You have 2 sets of hardware sitting on the same irqs. This will cause confusion. With standard serial ports, this will never work reliably. Can you set any of the ports to another irq? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Madness takes its toll... Please have exact change! ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
writing off the value of services donated
Dave Cinege: Do you think the IRS will allow companies to write off the ftp bandwidth they donate? Yes, you can deduct the value of services donated to a 501(c)3 non-profit from your income for tax purposes. Not just FTP bandwidth, all sorts of services. If you do your personal taxes on the long form, there's a place to fill in charitable mileage. Drive somewhere to work for Debian? Write it off. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: incorporation
From: Rick Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) It has nothing to do with the US government. States grant corporate charters, not the feds (Although there are a handful of federally chartered corporations: Postal Service, Sallie Mae, etc.). However the 501(c)3 comes from IRS and applies to your federal, not state, taxes. Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed when you need it? Linux - the supportable operating system. http://www.debian.org/support.html Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problems with Debian install... (fwd)
Anyone got help for this guy? -- Brian S. Julin -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:54:25 +0300 From: Tomi Yli-Nokari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Problems with Debian install... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: : Tomi Yli-Nokari wrote: : I have DTK 486/50 machine with 16 megs of RAM and 2x200 meg HDs. I have : tried to install Slackware to that machine and install stops to text: : 'Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 49152K size'. I asked about : that, and they wanted me to change distribution to RedHat/Debian. I : decided to take Debian... Now at install, I get that Ramdisk-message, : but after that comes: 'loop: registered device at major 7'. What's that? : And what could I do for that? The next thing that is supposed to happen in a Debian kernel boot is it is supposed to look at your hard drives and see how many/what kind they are. So if you can tell us what kind of HDs you have and what kind of HD controller, we may be able to help. HD controller is default (GoldStar GW2760[PX] (?)). HDs (two) are Conner CP30204 (?) with about 210 megs capacity of each. I'm not sure about them, but I think they're right... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
