Re: Sound support in kernel-image-2.0.30
why don't you simply use make-kpkg to compile the kernel? Will Lowe wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Tom Ed White wrote: How can I find out which sound cards, if any, are supported in this kernel image? If you're using the standard debian-installed kernel, I don't think ANY are automatically supported. I want to know if I need to recompile my kernel for sound. I suspect that many of the drivers are already there, since the device file is present. There's no way to get around compiling the kernel. This isn't such a bad thing, as the kernel-install process is simple enough that a trained monkey can do it :). Assuming you've installed the kernel-source.2.0.30.deb, it's 1) determine your soundcard configuration (DMA, IRQ, addresses, etc.) 2) as root, a) cd /usr/src/linux b) make menuconfig (or make xconfig, if you're running x and tcl/tk) c) select sound and follow the prompts at this point, take a look at the other stuff in your kernel; if you don't have scsi, disable scsi support, etc makes the kernel smaller and faster --- you'll probably also want to make sound a module, unless you use your sound card 24/7 3) make dep 4) make clean 5) make zImage 6) make modules 7) make modules_install 8) mv /vmlinuz /mvlinuz.old (or some other backup name) 9) cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage /vmlinuz 10) modify /etc/lilo.conf to have a stanze for each kernel -- keep the old one around until you've run the new one a while (you might instead make the new kernel into a boot disk, so you don't have to play with lilo.conf yet -- to do this make zdisk with a disk in the drive) 11) run lilo and then reboot Email with questions. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Re.: Re: umount: /cdrom: devide is busy.
On 04-Oct-97 Alan Eugene Davis wrote: Thank you for the response. Perhaps I should clarify. Open a new xterm and enter ps -ef | grep cdrom and if than returns a line (or more) let us know what they are; if not, enter df | grep cdrom and if that doesn't returm anything kill a white chicken by the light of a full moon and after the feast, place its dried wish- bone above your cdrom and say the magic words Dennis M. Richie (or was that Linus Torvalds) I can never remenber... I am using X. I have several xterms/rxvts open, and I am running several emacs frames. None of these, as far as I can tell, is connected in any way with /cdrom, neither sitting on it, nor accessing any file on the cd. I need to fing a way to find out which processes or xterms is/are causing this association to be made? This happens once in a while, that I am NOT in that directory, but I get this message, so something is going on that is not seen by me. Alan Dan Hugo writes: This will always happen if, for example, pwd /cdrom/* In other words, if you are IN the directory in question, it is busy. Happens to me all the time as well. Same with any mounts, or if you try to rmdir a directory you are in. cd /;umount /cdrom should work -dh Alan Eugene Davis wrote: This happens to me quite often: a floppy or a cd isn't being accessed, but I cannot unmount it: umount gives the error I have indicated. Is there any way to find out what process or which xterm might be accessing or sitting on a certain device? Thank you to all who have made my computing journey smoother. Alan -- Alan E. Davis Marianas High School AAA196, Box 10001 Saipan, MP 96950 Northern Mariana Islands [EMAIL PROTECTED] So that I can continue to use computers without dishonor, I have decided to put together a sufficient body of free software so that I will be able to get along without any software that is not free. ---Richard Stallman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . - Ralph Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IQ of the group is that of the member whose IQ is lowest divided by the number of members. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Converting a ps file from letter to A4 ? fig2dev ?
I am trying to make the sag (linux System Administrators' Guide) from the LDP. The complied version that is stored there is in letter paper size while I need A4 paper size. Is there a site (perhaps in Europe) that has an A4 postscript version? Is there a way to convert the ps file that the LDP stores from letter to A4 ? Is it true that if I'll make it myself I will have an A4 version (that is, is the letter paper size not an integral part of the formatted files) ? The following is from the Makefile: # # This is the Makefile for formatting the Linux System Administrators' Guide. # You need LaTeX2e (probably a recent version), fig2dev (version 3), and ^^^ # the usual UNIX tools to run everything. The distribution contains # all formatted files (especially figures). # Is there a debian package that contains fig2dev or an equivalent utility ? Thank you. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xcontrib and xproc packages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: I need to install the xproc package for xcontrib, but it requires elf-x11r6lib which is not available.. Where can I find this package or another verion of xproc which doesn't require elf-x11r6lib? The xproc package, as well as several other packages, has an obsolete dependancy on the virtual package elf-x11r6lib. This virtual package used to be provided by xlib6, but it was removed almost a year after it had been announced as obsolete. Installing the package with the - --force-depends option to dpkg will allow you to install it anyway. - -- | Do not, I beg you, Scott K. Ellis |look for anything behind phenomena. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | They are themselves their own lesson. | -- Goethe -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNDbc4qCk2fENdzpVAQEbfAP+LFLjo8LV3llD4421ftonw31cmHXZQNR2 316q2Ya3YEl8eHq53lk1qK0AOGZFkaSiJkVcQWxV+iasvwo3UH1fAuENQi3+hNum gmwU0kriH+5la8iy9MAQuFH/kjhmAwEqKxsuR7D1N25vnOCYGa1poZqWeN3F1J9Z N7Woc6xYSpk= =Vn0R -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Oct 04, 1997 at 11:28:24AM -0800, Britton wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: How well/is the AWE64 GOLD Sound card supported under Linux? ..or will it act/function like the SB16? It will act like a SB16 yes, but this is nothing wonderful, as the SB16 is quite pathetic. xmix is the only program I've run into with a line select (which you need since the SB 16 has no input mixer). And it should act like a AWE-32, because I have the suspicion, that they mostly enchanced the software driver, not the hardware. (I wouldn't be surprised, if the hardware is nearly the same. I have a AWE32 with the 64upgrade, and they say that I have a functionally AWE64, so it is another sort of Winsoundcard) What you want is awedrv, which is available as a debian source package. Trouble is, it won't compile as a module, which I think means you have to use initrd to run isapnp before it will work. I've read the initrd stuff, You HAVE to install it as a module, because isapnp must be started first, and then the sound module has to be installed. In fact, isapnp will be started automagically by the current initrd scripts, so you have just to install it, and add two entrys two the isapnp config file (mail me for more info). I believe I have isapnp.conf set up correctly in /usr/local as I needed to use it (and a modularized version of the SB 16 driver) to get any sound at all. However... When I selected the additional low level drivers option and then the awe driver option, and compile, I didn't find anything in /usr/src/linux/modules, where the sound module always showed up before. Have you actually found this file there? Whould the option for the awedrv even show up in 'make menuconfig' if there was a problem with the included patching script? (I assumed it would not, and the script did not report any problems). but havn't gotten around to trying it yet. Am I right in my understanding that you just need to copy over a rescue disk, isapnp, and possible bash (to write initrc with) into the initrd environment? Anyone done this? You just have to install and congfigure isapnp, that it is (and add the sound module to the modules autoloaded at boot time, if you want. You can even load a sound font bank at boot time). The awedrv does not support all the SB 64 capabilities, but from what I understand the extra channels are provided by software anyway. Yup. The Awe driver supports a good part of the AWE32 stuff. AWE64 was never intended for other OS than Windows (Creative Labs says, there would be no market for Linux, I think the linux community should ignore SB, if they ignore us). Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mp3 player application
On Sat, Oct 04, 1997 at 02:18:18PM -0400, Paul Miller wrote: I'm looking for a MP3 player which has the following features: * for Linux * play lists * shuffle and repeat * view/edit MP3 tags * fade in/out * play two songs at once (one fading in while the other fades out) * preferabably X-based (writen in C/C++ .. NOT Tcl/Tk) * general controls (play,stop,fast forward,rewind,next/previous track,pause) * displays time remaining and/or elapsed * AWE64 GOLD support never! (BTW: drop the GOLD, it has nothing to do with AWE64, but with the add-ons like Cubasis Audio etc.) This is because Creative Labs sees no market for Linux, and they do not support it. In fact, the 32 additional voices are software generated (WaveGuideSynthese), means: additional processor load, no driver for other systems than systems supported by Creative Labs. Sorry. * looks pretty and is easy to use If none exists... someone should make it! Perhaps you? Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Sound support in kernel-image-2.0.30
On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Lucas wrote: Hi, Could someone please help me interpret the following messages: during boot: /dev/hda3 (my Linux part.) has reached maximal mount count ... forced check This is a harmless message. If you mount and unmount an ext2 partition a certain number of times, fsck checks it just to make sure it doesn't contain any errors. On an ext2 partition there is a counter which is reset when you check it. When you unmount a partition (I think it is then) it is increased by one. When the counter reaches a certain value (I believe 20 or 25), the partition is checked the next time you run fsck on it, no matter what. second message (only as regular user, not as root): $man [whatever] (the man page does display, but with a message that obviously concerns permissions:) man: can't create /var/catman/cat1/XXX(some number) man: can't unlink /var/catman/cat1/XXX: Permission denied This could mean /var/catman has, somehow, got the wrong permissions. You can correct this by running these two commands as root: # rm -rf /var/catman # mkcatdirs man root 0755 For an explanation of the mkcatdirs command, run it with no parameters. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
On Sat, Oct 04, 1997 at 04:35:21PM -0800, Britton wrote: On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Oct 04, 1997 at 11:28:24AM -0800, Britton wrote: What you want is awedrv, which is available as a debian source package. Trouble is, it won't compile as a module, which I think means you have to use initrd to run isapnp before it will work. I've read the initrd stuff, You HAVE to install it as a module, because isapnp must be started first, and then the sound module has to be installed. In fact, isapnp will be started automagically by the current initrd scripts, so you have just to install it, and add two entrys two the isapnp config file (mail me for more info). I believe I have isapnp.conf set up correctly in /usr/local as I needed to use it (and a modularized version of the SB 16 driver) to get any sound at all. However... When I selected the additional low level drivers option and then the awe driver option, and compile, I didn't find anything in /usr/src/linux/modules, where the sound module always showed up before. Have you actually found this file there? Whould the option for the awedrv even show up in 'make menuconfig' if there was a problem with the included patching script? (I assumed it would not, and the script did not report any problems). Mmmh. I use the kernelpackage, and it installed the file sound.o just under /lib/modules/2.0.29/misc, where it belongs to... no problems at all. Are you sure you choosed the awe driver as a module? Are you sure you did the kernel compile right? Try using the kernel-package from debian. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: telnet users
On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: how do I kill an idle telnet user? Manually? Kill his/her shell process. Automatically? Use idled. This program removes users that have been idle too long. how do I watch a telnet user? Use ttysnoop. Ttysnoop is in the admin section, idled is in non-free. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: netscape communicator 4.03
On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: Has anyone gotten an error like this one when loading Netscape 4.03? How can I fix this? netscape: locale `C' not supported. snip Yes, this is caused by version 3.3-6 of the xlib6 package. Downgrade it to 3.3-5 and you'll be fine. If you can't find it, try my ftp site at cal011205.student.utwente.nl in /pub. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mp3 player application
On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Oct 04, 1997 at 02:18:18PM -0400, Paul Miller wrote: I'm looking for a MP3 player which has the following features: * for Linux * play lists * shuffle and repeat * view/edit MP3 tags * fade in/out * play two songs at once (one fading in while the other fades out) * preferabably X-based (writen in C/C++ .. NOT Tcl/Tk) * general controls (play,stop,fast forward,rewind,next/previous track,pause) * displays time remaining and/or elapsed * AWE64 GOLD support never! (BTW: drop the GOLD, it has nothing to do with AWE64, but with the add-ons like Cubasis Audio etc.) This is because Creative Labs sees no market for Linux, and they do not support it. In fact, the 32 additional voices are software generated (WaveGuideSynthese), means: additional processor load, no driver for other systems than systems supported by Creative Labs. Sorry. well, what would be the absolute *BEST* sound card for Linux for playing MP3s through a stereo (plus L/R RCA output)? * looks pretty and is easy to use If none exists... someone should make it! Perhaps you? aahh shit, that means I need to learn C (which I've been wanting to for about 6 years now). Well, maybe a project like this would give me a good reason to learn. -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xcontrib and xproc packages
On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Scott K. Ellis wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: I need to install the xproc package for xcontrib, but it requires elf-x11r6lib which is not available.. Where can I find this package or another verion of xproc which doesn't require elf-x11r6lib? The xproc package, as well as several other packages, has an obsolete dependancy on the virtual package elf-x11r6lib. This virtual package used to be provided by xlib6, but it was removed almost a year after it had been announced as obsolete. Installing the package with the --force-depends option to dpkg will allow you to install it anyway. If I run force-depends, won't dselect decide that the elf-x11r6lib package no longer exists, therefore uninstalling xproc and xcontrib? Dselect is too much of a helpful tool to give up. -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[OFFTOPIC] fighting spam: how to read mail headers?
Hello! Could someone be so kind and drop me a pointer to some documentatiuon, how I can read the mail headers to fight spam properly. I would like to find out the origin of the mail without bothering admins from faked domains. Thank you, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xcontrib and xproc packages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Scott K. Ellis wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: The xproc package, as well as several other packages, has an obsolete dependancy on the virtual package elf-x11r6lib. This virtual package used to be provided by xlib6, but it was removed almost a year after it had been announced as obsolete. Installing the package with the --force-depends option to dpkg will allow you to install it anyway. If I run force-depends, won't dselect decide that the elf-x11r6lib package no longer exists, therefore uninstalling xproc and xcontrib? Dselect is too much of a helpful tool to give up. dselect will bring up a conflict resolution screen whenever you exit from it complaining about the unresolved dependancy. It should however, leave them selected. You can exit that screen by using 'Q' to tell it to override. - -- Scott K. Ellis | The world is its own magic. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Shunryu Suzuki -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNDbtbaCk2fENdzpVAQFgoQP+K7kvB9bTQ/6f8O1nrb51exByLrC7c0x/ akfSPUHtt6/tjyCxWsy+oc3G+UfS3WOYhr9alnOq7TeBG5PM3C/SdtOauYU6tudN GnlO63nTYn1njPJm4j2vgujidDDYWJF4BfeiT88p+f/knydlzMzvxWUBpFrv4TCE IXta21BGyb8= =qYBC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: re- thinkpad install
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Problem #1 - I cannot access the floppy on the ThinkPad root: linux floppy=thinkpad Were is this referenced in the debian install ? For some reason, the Thinkpad inverts the meaning of some floppy control lines. You always have to put floppy=thinkpad when you boot. The page you get when you press F4 on the install disk lists this. After installing, you can add a line `append=floppy=thinkpad' to your /etc/lilo.conf and rerun LILO, to have this happen automatically. Problem # 2 cannot mount the CD-rom when dselect asks for the block device name what should I give it ? Probably /dev/scd0, for the first SCSI CD-ROM. But first the kernel has to recognise the SCSI interface. The page you get with F5 on the install disk says: Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq - is this what you've got? Check the boot messages by typing dmesg | more, and look at the files in /proc, to see what hardware got detected. Unfortunately I don't have any SCSI hardware ATM. I do not think the CD-rom is mounted. How can I ls -la the cdrom ? % mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/scd0 /cdrom % ls -la /cdrom -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc kernel: Warning: possible SYN flooding. Sending cookies. kernel: validated probe(17f, 17f, 11557, 5010, -1645409555) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Dosemu and a Matrox Millenium?
Has anybody had any luck getting this to work? I can't seem to get any graphics modes. Or has anybody been able to get QPV working under dosemu, i really want to use this graphics viewer. johannes martinez -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Converting a ps file from letter to A4 ? fig2dev ?
Shaul Karl. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Is there a debian package that contains fig2dev or an equivalent utility ? % zgrep fig2dev Contents.gz usr/X11R6/bin/fig2devgraphics/transfig usr/X11R6/man/man1/fig2dev.1xgraphics/transfig -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc kernel: Warning: possible SYN flooding. Sending cookies. kernel: validated probe(17f, 17f, 11557, 5010, -1645409555) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Network frustration
Ok, to start with, my network was working beautifully until this afternoon. Then, without (explainable) reason, two of the computers on the network had their network cards die. One was on the fileserver. I replaced the cards, and now all of the machines can ping each other again... however, nothing else is working like it used to. When a win95 station tries to connect to it, it gets a Network is busy error (Samba is running on the server). (as a sidenote: smbclient -l server gives the correct response) When trying to connect to the server via telnet, it takes a horrendous time (in the order of minutes) between where it says Escape character is '^]' and Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 shadowglen.ml.org The fileserver is also acting as a router to the rest of the internet, and I can't connect to anything outside the net either (two ethernet cards, one for external net, one for internal) I know this is somewhat vague, but I'm not even sure where to begin. I'm guessing (randomly, really) that the internal network is getting flooded with packets from somewhere, but I haven't started running anything unusual. I know my information is a bit vague, but I really don't even know where to begin. All help would be appreciated. ---Mike -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
savelog with immediate compress
Hi, I want to use savelog but I need the option that the .0 file created gets compressed immediately... Can savelog do that? Thanks Ricardo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: savelog with immediate compress
Debian List wrote: I want to use savelog but I need the option that the .0 file created gets compressed immediately... Can savelog do that? No. However, I think if you run the same savelog command trice in a row, you will get the effect you want. file.0 will still be uncompressed, but the logs will be in file.1.gz . And this really shouldn't take significantly longer than running savelog once. Note, though: BUGS If a process is still writing to file.0, and savelog moves it to file.1 and compresses it, data could be lost. So this is something you need to watch out for when running savelog twice in a row. -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
You HAVE to install it as a module, because isapnp must be started first, and then the sound module has to be installed. In fact, isapnp will be started automagically by the current initrd scripts, so you have just to install it, and add two entrys two the isapnp config file (mail me for more info). I believe I have isapnp.conf set up correctly in /usr/local as I needed to use it (and a modularized version of the SB 16 driver) to get any sound at all. However... When I selected the additional low level drivers option and then the awe driver option, and compile, I didn't find anything in /usr/src/linux/modules, where the sound module always showed up before. Have you actually found this file there? Whould the option for the awedrv even show up in 'make menuconfig' if there was a problem with the included patching script? (I assumed it would not, and the script did not report any problems). Mmmh. I use the kernelpackage, and it installed the file sound.o just under /lib/modules/2.0.29/misc, where it belongs to... no problems at all. The trick is not to forget to do 'make modules'. This was all a mistake on my part, you most certainly do not have to use initrd. Sorry if I have caused anyone any confusion. Are you sure you choosed the awe driver as a module? Are you sure you did the kernel compile right? Try using the kernel-package from debian. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Problems w/menu files, and update-menus, fvwm95
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I cannot seem to successfully load menu entries in fvwm95 by creating menus files in /usr/lib/menus for the following two apps: xpostit+ xdvi and then running update-menus at the prompt Although I have successfully created for the below listed apps: zircon lyx xspread Note: The first time I had installed Debian 1.3.1 Official CD from Cheapbytes I had successfully created menu file entries for both xdvi, and also xpostit+. I have tried variations of the format of the menu files for both xdvi and xpostit+. Below is the basic format for both files. /usr/lib/menu x11 Apps/Viewers xdvi none Xdvi /usr/X11R6/bin/xdvi /usr/lib/menu x11 Apps/Tools xpostit+ none StickyNotes /usr/X11R6/bin/xpostit+ After creating and saving both files in /usr/lib/menu ran #update-menus, nothing happens The other 3 apps menu files for zircon, lyx, and xspread, loaded into fvwm95 w/no problems. Note: these 3 apps are also in /usr/X11R6/bin. Note: In my file heirarchy their is this /usr/bin/X11-which is a link to... /usr/X11R6/bin? does this have any bearing on this problem? Note: I have very recently in the last 2 weeks upgraded/migrated to the libc6, using and following the debian how-to for the procedure, with 100% completion. Note: xpostit+ also has a link to it in /usr/X11R6/bin/xpostit-link to xpostit+ NOte: I have tried every little subtle variation of the menu/files for the above two apps, including the new menu file format, and nothing has worked. With the 3 apps that loaded fine, I could use either format and it worked fine. If anyone can help me with this, or provide with an explanation or insight it would be greatly appreciated -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBNDdK6hdzfKNytWUdAQGBtAQAhq4HZDbYU5jsZDNklCp+dR2VYYljb6fh mrGzF8ejsAB2rRtZ3pge0kjGdyAuXKAPvtfqguvGvzc4afLNIm3q/bdDr65zwQOC o6HJUky2RmW6csUOoKPCxIjYcKk7SLWqsWx8b32XeI1/JRtFZaaaCcUmDtMg86Os a+rTGslLTHo= =izMq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: procmail emulate mail error
Is there a way to make procmail emulate a mailer error. E.g. when I'm spammed, procmail (or actually some program that would be run from procmail) would reply with something along the lines of an unknown user. This seems like a fairly complicated script and I'm not sure it would actually work (e.g. sendmail may change some of the headers indicating a success). I'm thinking that maybe a few of these spammers remove bounces from their address pool. Not sure if this is what you want, but you can add addresses/hosts to reject in /etc/mail/sendmail.rej [or wherever you specify]. Just add the following to sendmail.cf -- # reject list of originating email addresses and domains FR/etc/mail/sendmail.rej -- sendmail.rej just contains addresses/hosts that you wanna reject. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] baddomain.com -- etc. D. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problems w/menu files, and update-menus, fvwm95
I cannot seem to successfully load menu entries in fvwm95 by creating menus files in /usr/lib/menus for the following two apps: xpostit+ xdvi Were you the one on IRC who complained about that too? Sorry, but you ran away before I could answer you. I have tried variations of the format of the menu files for both xdvi and xpostit+. Below is the basic format for both files. /usr/lib/menu x11 Apps/Viewers xdvi none Xdvi /usr/X11R6/bin/xdvi You don't tell us what the names of the files are you are creating. The names have to match installed packages. Note that xdvi and xpostit+ are not names of debian packages (for xdvi, use tetex-bin, the other I don't know). Note: In my file heirarchy their is this /usr/bin/X11-which is a link to... /usr/X11R6/bin? does this have any bearing on this problem? No. -- joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] #!/usr/bin/perl -sp0777iX+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) #what's this? see http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: non-English Linux use (Dead keys?)
Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or is a non-English keyboard map sufficient ? If more than a key.map is needed, what might this be ? Does anyone know how to configure a keyboard to allow the insertion of accented characters under X? I know it's got something to do with dead keys, but I never got this to work. You can either use the Compose key (e.g., press Compose, Apostroph, and a in succession to get the accented a) or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config to set the XkbVariant to deadkeys. Look into 'man 5 XF86Config' for more information. Torsten -- What a depressingly stupid machine The Restaurant at the End of the Universe PGP Public Key is available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: non-English Linux use
Santiago Vila Doncel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another thing you can do is to make an ~/.inputrc file for bash/readline. Here is the mine: \e[1~: beginning-of-line \e[3~: delete-char \e[4~: end-of-line set meta-flag on set convert-meta off set output-meta on set bell-style none [ First three lines make Home, End and Delete keys to work as usual ]. BTW: It is very likely that bash/readline in the next Debian release will support /etc/inputrc as global configuration file (currently it does only look for ~/.inputrc in the user's home directory). There is an environment variable INPUTRC which can be set to point to /etc/inputrc. Moreover I have this in my /etc/profile: export LC_CTYPE=ISO-8859-1 but I'm not sure whether it is still needed or not (some time ago, bash needed it, now I would have to check it). It is not needed for the bash but still useful for other programs. BTW, I found out that a setting to LC_CTYPE=de_DE works better for me than the above setting if LANG is set to de_DE, otherwise I get a message telling me: Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged Torsten -- What a depressingly stupid machine The Restaurant at the End of the Universe PGP Public Key is available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
asmail
For some reason or another, asmail in the afterstep configuration does not work when xdm is not loaded. When using xdm, I can run asmail manually and everything works fine.. I don't know why it won't work in the wharf module though in xdm.. anyone have this problem? Heres what's in my default afterstep rc file: *Wharf - - Swallow Exec asmail asmail /etc/X11/afterstep/system.asmailrc -geometry 45x45-1-1 -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Network frustration
On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Mike Patterson wrote: Ok, to start with, my network was working beautifully until this afternoon. Then, without (explainable) reason, two of the computers on the network had their network cards die. One was on the fileserver. I replaced the cards, and now all of the machines can ping each other again... however, nothing else is working like it used to. When a win95 station tries to connect to it, it gets a Network is busy error (Samba is running on the server). (as a sidenote: smbclient -l server gives the correct response) When trying to connect to the server via telnet, it takes a horrendous time (in the order of minutes) between where it says Escape character is '^]' and Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 shadowglen.ml.org The fileserver is also acting as a router to the rest of the internet, and I can't connect to anything outside the net either (two ethernet cards, one for external net, one for internal) I know this is somewhat vague, but I'm not even sure where to begin. I'm guessing (randomly, really) that the internal network is getting flooded with packets from somewhere, but I haven't started running anything unusual. my guess is that your problem may be broken DNS, mostly because of the telnet delay. is named still running on your name server machine? can it resolve hostnames and ip addresses? can other machines on the network use it to resolve names? are all the zone files intact? any errors in /var/log/daemon.log? check /etc/resolv.conf on the server, too...is it pointing at the correct name server? another possibility is that you have another faulty ethernet card somewhere on your network - it's odd to get 2 or more cards die at the same time...maybe you had a lightning strike nearby or some bizarre voltage spike on your ethernet, maybe induced voltage from running your cables too close to a huge coil/transformer/electrical motor or something like that (these are only guesses, of course) anyway, if there's another broken card it could be causing all sorts of havoc on the network. do you get a lot of packet loss when you ping the fileserver from a workstation? btw, to scan your network for suspicious/anomalous packets run tcpdump and watch the output for a while. monitor the activity on your ethernet. BTW, it's a good idea, IMO, to practice this when you have a happily functioning network so it's easier to tell the difference between normal network activity and strangeness. also try installing the courtney package on one of your unix machines (it's available as a debian package) - it can detect some types of attacks against a network. it's definition of an 'attack' is rather simplistic though. it's purpose is to detect port scanning probes like satan. if you're really worried about a network attack, use packet filtering on your external router (e.g. ipfwadm if it's a linux box) to block out all incoming packets except those you know you need. when your users start screaming because you inevitably forgot :-) one or two unimportant ports like www and smtp, tweak the rules so they're a little more open. if you are really concerned about network security *DO NOT* make your fileserver the same machine as your internet gateway. resurrect an old 386 box from gathering dust in a cupboard if you have to and build another router/firewall box. Put your fileserver on your internal network, safely behind the firewall. craig -- craig sanders networking consultant Available for casual or contract temporary autonomous zone system administration tasks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Problems w/menu files, and update-menus, fvwm95
IRC? there is a debian channel? what is it? joost witteveen wrote: I cannot seem to successfully load menu entries in fvwm95 by creating menus files in /usr/lib/menus for the following two apps: xpostit+ xdvi Were you the one on IRC who complained about that too? Sorry, but you ran away before I could answer you. I have tried variations of the format of the menu files for both xdvi and xpostit+. Below is the basic format for both files. /usr/lib/menu x11 Apps/Viewers xdvi none Xdvi /usr/X11R6/bin/xdvi You don't tell us what the names of the files are you are creating. The names have to match installed packages. Note that xdvi and xpostit+ are not names of debian packages (for xdvi, use tetex-bin, the other I don't know). Note: In my file heirarchy their is this /usr/bin/X11-which is a link to... /usr/X11R6/bin? does this have any bearing on this problem? No. -- joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] #!/usr/bin/perl -sp0777iX+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) #what's this? see http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xcontrib and xproc packages
The xproc package, as well as several other packages, has an obsolete dependancy on the virtual package elf-x11r6lib. This virtual package used to be provided by xlib6, but it was removed almost a year after it had been announced as obsolete. Installing the package with the --force-depends option to dpkg will allow you to install it anyway. If I run force-depends, won't dselect decide that the elf-x11r6lib package no longer exists, therefore uninstalling xproc and xcontrib? Dselect is too much of a helpful tool to give up. dselect will bring up a conflict resolution screen whenever you exit from it complaining about the unresolved dependancy. It should however, leave them selected. You can exit that screen by using 'Q' to tell it to override. I think you have to hit R first, because dselect will deselect all packages depending on the not existing package. You could also fetch Paul Seelig's equivs package from http://www.uni-mainz.de/~pseelig/debian.html This is a dummy package. You can place elf-x11r6lib into provides: and rebuild it (instructions how to do this should be inside the package by now). Then you install it using --force-conflicts. This way you will have a package which provides elf-x11r6lib and dselect/dpkg won't complain any more. Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
irc.debian.org (was Re: Problems w/menu files...)
Thanks for your email. I haven't recieved email for over 2 hours now, and I was beginning there were conspiracies against me :) IRC? there is a debian channel? what is it? server: irc.debian.org chanel: #debian Come and join us! -- joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] #!/usr/bin/perl -sp0777iX+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) #what's this? see http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: procmail emulate mail error
BM == Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BM Is there a way to make procmail emulate a mailer error. E.g. when I'm BM spammed, procmail (or actually some program that would be run from BM procmail) would reply with something along the lines of an unknown BM user. This seems like a fairly complicated script and I'm not sure it BM would actually work (e.g. sendmail may change some of the headers BM indicating a success). I'm thinking that maybe a few of these spammers BM remove bounces from their address pool. Hi, Use EXITCODE. Here's an excerpt from the procmailrc man page. Check the sendmail source for the appropriate EXITCODE value for user unknown. -- Mark Plaksinhttp://www.negia.net/~happy/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
what is char-major-10?
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The Truth of Debian (want a laugh?)
I managed it :-) I decoded the hidden messages in /usr/debian/debian-manifesto. The key is the perl code /usr/doc/perl/examples/travesty. Run it on the file with the hidden message, and you will find out the truth. Here is what I saw: * The Truth about the quality of Debian: The Free Software Foundation and the Debian Linux Association will offer the distribution that attracts the most bug-ridden and badly maintained Linux distribution available; unfortunately, it is distributed under the GNU General Public License). * The Truth about the goals of the SPI: --- It is, without question, the distribution becomes a secondary concern. * The Truth about the reactions of developers: -- Many distributions have attracted little attention from developers. There is a simple reason for this: they are familiar with the operating system. * The Truth about the money-making: --- The time has come to concentrate on the destructive goal of enriching oneself at the expense of the users rather than on the needs and wants in advance without direct input from others. * The Truth about the users: Almost all users of Linux rather than on the distribution becomes a secondary concern. * The Truth about the Debian Distribution in general: - Debian is being developed by one isolated individual or group, as other distributions of Linux distribution. Marcus :) -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xdm background image
On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian User debian-user@lists.debian.org, Linux Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: xdm background image How can I display a background image (gif/jpg) on the xdm login prompt? I have this line in my /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0: /usr/X11R6/bin/xv -root -rmode 6 -rfg #FA /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/linux-logo-2.0.gif -quit Obviously, you may want to remove it once a user logs in, just in case he did not set any particular background that will do this. So I added this line in my /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsetroot -gray Following this method, you can also easily create animated login backgrounds, by calling any suitable program (i. e., all those nifty screen savers); in this case what you have to put in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession is a coomand that will kill the program displaying the animated background. Remember that many programs which look nice on the screen also burn lots of CPU cycles. If your users rely on CPU time being available also when they are not logged in (i. e., they run background, CPU-bound programs), although nice, they may not be a good idea. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: irc.debian.org (was Re: Problems w/menu files...)
Joost, Yo, man thanx alot. Hey, cool, I am assuming that you are in NL? Holland. Suave. Hey, have you ever checked Replay's homepage? Any way, were you being sarcastic in that email dude? I wasn't complaining. Plus, I didn't run away, I went for a ride on my bike. BTW I am constanting hanging out on #debian irc.linpeople.org. I have been running Debian since July and before that Redhat for about a year. I am not a scientist, programmer, or hacker, whatever, by any means, I got into this totally DIY, because of the philosophy behind it, and Fuck microsoft. BTW, it worked, I don't know why the hell I didn't remember that before. I guess most of the packages are the same name as the executables contained in them and I just assumed. But, I must have known this before because like I said I had those two apps running before as menu files. Anyway Thank you very much for you help, much respect, and props to you my friend. What do you do for fun and work in Holland? Do you like bicycles, vegatarian food, or Punk Rock I live in Italy Peace Ciao Ciao Thank you -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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Fvwm95 new version---is it a bug?
Is it a bug? I spent a couple of hours the other day learning how to edit the config files for fvwm95, and got some nice features working, when... Lo and behold, I found a NEW version of fvwm95 in hamm... When I installed it, it stomped on my newly edited config files. It didn't ask. The script just printed a message it was installing a new version of the config file. Is this a bug? It's AT LEAST a nit. Alan Davis -- I consider that the golden rule requires Alan E. Davis that if I like a program I must share itMarianas High School with other people who like it AAA196, Box 10001 So that I can continue to use computersSaipan, MP 96950 without dishonor, I have decided to put Northern Mariana Islands together a sufficient body of free software GMT+10 so that I will be able to get along without any software that is not free GNU ... is the name for the complete Unix-compatible software system which I am writing so that I can give it away free to everyone who can use it. ---Richard Stallman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xcontrib and xproc packages
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You could also fetch Paul Seelig's equivs package from http://www.uni-mainz.de/~pseelig/debian.html This is a dummy package. You can place elf-x11r6lib into provides: and rebuild it (instructions how to do this should be inside the package by now). Then you install it using --force-conflicts. This way you will have a package which provides elf-x11r6lib and dselect/dpkg won't complain any more. Actually --force-conflicts should not be needed for properly installing 'equivs'. I always use --install only without any trouble. But if it does need such measures than it is either misconfigured by the person having built it or it simply contains a bug still unknown to me. If the latter is the case i'd be glad about hints and fixes! Thank you, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany My Homepage in the WWW at the URL http://www.uni-mainz.de/~pseelig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Compose key? (Can a windoze keyboard be configured to...)
Can a windoze keyboard be configured, so those three extra keys can do something interesting? Like act as a compose key? a meta key? Alan Davis -- I consider that the golden rule requires Alan E. Davis that if I like a program I must share itMarianas High School with other people who like it AAA196, Box 10001 So that I can continue to use computersSaipan, MP 96950 without dishonor, I have decided to put Northern Mariana Islands together a sufficient body of free software GMT+10 so that I will be able to get along without any software that is not free GNU ... is the name for the complete Unix-compatible software system which I am writing so that I can give it away free to everyone who can use it. ---Richard Stallman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
idled package
Is anyone using the idled package? It does kick anyone off... I tried restarting it and it still doesn't do anything.. has anyone gotten this package to work? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Fvwm95 new version---is it a bug?
Is it a bug? Looks like it, but I cannot find it. I spent a couple of hours the other day learning how to edit the config files for fvwm95, and got some nice features working, when... Lo and behold, I found a NEW version of fvwm95 in hamm... Hamm is unstable. Whenever, after you install somethign from hamm, no smoke comes out of your computer, you should say to yourselve whow, lucky me: no smoke!. Having said that, I'm running unstable too (everythign I run comes from unstable). When I installed it, it stomped on my newly edited config files. Whow, lucky you: no smoke :). But, yes, I'd be somewhat annoyed too. It didn't ask. The script just printed a message it was installing a new version of the config file. The config file it installed was /etc/X11/fvwm95/system.fvwm95rc-menu. The file you edited must have been /etc/X11/fvwm95/system.fvwm2rc95 (note the 2 and the 95 and rc flopped). Are you sure /etc/X11/fvwm95/system.fvwm2rc95 was removed? I think not. Is this a bug? It's AT LEAST a nit. If it's true, it's a bug. But I have my doubs GNU ... is the name for the complete Unix-compatible software system which I am writing so that I can give it away free to everyone who can use it. ---Richard Stallman I was thinking of putting a quote from RMS in my signature too. From when/where was that one taken? -- joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] #!/usr/bin/perl -sp0777iX+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) #what's this? see http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
limits.h
Lately, when compiling various packages (pgp, perl5.004-2) I get errors like: /usr/include/limits.h:52: No include path in which to find limits.h Since it found limits.h in /usr/include I don't get it. I got by one of these by adding #define MAX_NAMELEN 255 but the latest one has me baffled. Can anyone spare a clue? TIA - Ralph Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IQ of the group is that of the member whose IQ is lowest divided by the number of members. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: idled package
Mine works. Where are they logging in from? I think by default it's set to exclude logins from the console. Check /etc/idled.cf. Watch out for drastically growing logfiles too... I don't think this program has been maintained for awhile; I symlinked /var/log/idled.log to /dev/null (or else it fills up with 'TOO MANY USERS; RECOMPILE' or something. I attached my /etc/idled.cf for you in a separate message. TL On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: From: Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian User debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: idled package Is anyone using the idled package? It does kick anyone off... I tried restarting it and it still doesn't do anything.. has anyone gotten this package to work? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . --(fortune.sig)-- Q: How much does it cost to ride the Unibus? A: 2 bits. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
icq - java-version
Hi *, recently we had a discussion about the pros and cons of icq. I just wanted to check out the java-version. I installed jdk-1.0.2 and got these errors: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no awt in shared library path at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary(Runtime.java) at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java) at sun.awt.motif.MToolkit.clinit(MToolkit.java:37) at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(Toolkit.java:199) at java.awt.Window.getToolkit(Window.java:163) What can I do? By Töns I don't know nothing about jdk Büker -- pgp fingerprint: 9B AC A5 CB C8 CC FC DC 25 B5 26 9A 5D 28 C0 3D -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: limits.h
Lately, when compiling various packages (pgp, perl5.004-2) I get errors like: /usr/include/limits.h:52: No include path in which to find limits.h Since it found limits.h in /usr/include I don't get it. Gcc found limits.h there too. But now it wants the one in usr/include/linux/limits.h. Look at /usr/include/limits, line 52. Probably /usr/include/linux isn't in your search path. I think the error message goes away if you add the following flags to gcc: -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/linux -- joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] #!/usr/bin/perl -sp0777iX+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) #what's this? see http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
traplayer?
Has anyone on the list been able to get traplayer (a non-X interface to Real Audio's raplayer) to work with Debian 1.3.1? I keep getting an unexpected end of file error with it. Could this be related to the bugs in bash-2.0? Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: what is char-major-10?
Miscellaneous char devices. See /usr/src/kernel-source-*/Documantation/devices.txt. -- Jean Pierre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Network frustration
On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Mike Patterson wrote: When trying to connect to the server via telnet, it takes a horrendous time (in the order of minutes) between where it says Escape character is '^]' and Debian GNU/Linux 1.3 shadowglen.ml.org This sounds like in may be a DNS problem. The latest release of netbase doesn't work properly if the /etc/nswitch.conf file is properly set up. Try double checking your DNS configuration and /etc/host.conf, /etc/resolv.conf, and /etc/nsswitch.conf. The fileserver is also acting as a router to the rest of the internet, and I can't connect to anything outside the net either (two ethernet cards, one for external net, one for internal) What does ifconfig and netstat show? -- Jean Pierre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Network frustration
On 05-Oct-97 Craig Sanders wrote: my guess is that your problem may be broken DNS, mostly because of the telnet delay. is named still running on your name server machine? can it resolve hostnames and ip addresses? can other machines on the network use it to resolve names? are all the zone files intact? any errors in /var/log/daemon.log? check /etc/resolv.conf on the server, too...is it pointing at the correct name server? You can rule out a traffic flood by simply pulling the connection to the outside world. Then see if your internal services perk up. another possibility is that you have another faulty ethernet card somewhere on your network - it's odd to get 2 or more cards die at the same time...maybe you had a lightning strike nearby or some bizarre voltage spike on your ethernet, maybe induced voltage from running your cables too close to a huge coil/transformer/electrical motor or something like that (these are only guesses, of course) Have you added another machine to the network that is plugged into a different mains power circuit? If you are using coax for your ethernet, the shield is running at power-line ground. If there is a difference in ground potential between two systems on the ethernet, you have a recipie for disaster. Same goes for any serial cables that you might have added to a terminal that is plugged into a different power circuit, many manufacturers of serial devices do not properly isolate pin-1 from pin-7 (on a DB-25 connector) and can cause ground loops. Example, if you run a coax to your buddy next door, you might have serious trouble if there is a diffefence betwen the ground circuits in the two houses. Even something as minor as a bad connection in a power strip can cause trouble. If you have a voltmeter, you might remove the coax connection at each machine, one at a time, and measure between the connector shell and the computer chassis. If you read more than a volt or so, you might have trouble. Replace the connector before checking the next machine. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFFTOPIC] fighting spam: how to read mail headers?
Marcus Brinkmann hat gesagt: // Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Hello! Could someone be so kind and drop me a pointer to some documentatiuon, how I can read the mail headers to fight spam properly. I would like to find out the origin of the mail without bothering admins from faked domains. You might want to take a look at: http://WWW.MCS.COM/~jcr/junkemaildeal.html -- Yours, Frank Barknecht a href=http://www.koeln-online.de/einblick/; Das Koelner Stadt- und Unimagazin /a --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: savelog with immediate compress
Yes, thank you. However, that would cause the useless creation of the .0 file because it will be nearly empty... :( each savelog would take up 2 files. Anyone used the logrotate program (redhat has it) Thanks Ricardo On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Debian List wrote: I want to use savelog but I need the option that the .0 file created gets compressed immediately... Can savelog do that? No. However, I think if you run the same savelog command trice in a row, you will get the effect you want. file.0 will still be uncompressed, but the logs will be in file.1.gz . And this really shouldn't take significantly longer than running savelog once. Note, though: BUGS If a process is still writing to file.0, and savelog moves it to file.1 and compresses it, data could be lost. So this is something you need to watch out for when running savelog twice in a row. -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: re- thinkpad install
Thank you very much Carey, your suggestions were very helpfull. Problem : However, the CD-rom access is still not mounted. and I do not know how access it. There does not seem to be a scsi recognized. the dmesg output lists : --- Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card! PPA: unable to initialize controller at 0x378, error 1 scsi : 0 hosts. scsi : detectotal total. --- I do not remember telling the drivers loaded section of the install there was a WD-7000 SCSI card, I only selected the generic scsi drivers . I do not know what mem_base,irq to use in the boot command : Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq How do you add another driver to debian ? for example: Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq Does something like this need to be placed into the lilo.conf file ? under /proc/scsi/scsi it says:- Attached devices: none under /proc/devices it contains: Character devices: 1 mem 2 pty 3 ttyp 4 ttyS 5 cua 6 lp 7 vcs 10 misc 12 tpqic02 36 netlink Block Devices: 1 ramdisk 2 fd 3 ide0 7 loop 9 md 36 ed Therefore I do not think the CDrom has been recognized. Previously under my NT 4.0 system I had on this thinkpad the Diagnostics described my cd-rom as :_ FutureDomain 8xxx scsi ___ and the cdrom device labeled as :__ IBM CDRM00201 scsi CD ROM scsi port 0 bus # 0 __ Thanks, frank naranjo bi! At 01:13 PM 10/5/97 +1300, Carey Evans wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Problem #1 - I cannot access the floppy on the ThinkPad root: linux floppy=thinkpad Were is this referenced in the debian install ? For some reason, the Thinkpad inverts the meaning of some floppy control lines. You always have to put floppy=thinkpad when you boot. The page you get when you press F4 on the install disk lists this. After installing, you can add a line `append=floppy=thinkpad' to your /etc/lilo.conf and rerun LILO, to have this happen automatically. Problem # 2 cannot mount the CD-rom when dselect asks for the block device name what should I give it ? Probably /dev/scd0, for the first SCSI CD-ROM. But first the kernel has to recognise the SCSI interface. The page you get with F5 on the install disk says: Future Domain TMC-8xx/950 tmc8xx=mem_base,irq - is this what you've got? Check the boot messages by typing dmesg | more, and look at the files in /proc, to see what hardware got detected. Unfortunately I don't have any SCSI hardware ATM. I do not think the CD-rom is mounted. How can I ls -la the cdrom ? % mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/scd0 /cdrom % ls -la /cdrom -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc kernel: Warning: possible SYN flooding. Sending cookies. kernel: validated probe(17f, 17f, 11557, 5010, -1645409555) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: limits.h
On 5 Oct, Ralph Winslow wrote: Lately, when compiling various packages (pgp, perl5.004-2) I get errors like: /usr/include/limits.h:52: No include path in which to find limits.h Since it found limits.h in /usr/include I don't get it. I got by one of these by adding This has puzzeld me as well :-) Until I realized that I had a inconsistent developement environment. Check the following packages if they have the same version: libc5 and libc5-dev All following packages should have the same version (2.7.2.1-8 for stable) libg++27, libg++27-dev, gcc, cpp Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xcontrib and xproc packages
On 5 Oct, Paul Seelig wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You could also fetch Paul Seelig's equivs package from http://www.uni-mainz.de/~pseelig/debian.html This is a dummy package. You can place elf-x11r6lib into provides: and rebuild it (instructions how to do this should be inside the package by now). Then you install it using --force-conflicts. This way you will have a package which provides elf-x11r6lib and dselect/dpkg won't complain any more. Actually --force-conflicts should not be needed for properly installing 'equivs'. I always use --install only without any trouble. But if it does need such measures than it is either misconfigured by the person having built it or it simply contains a bug still unknown to me. If the latter is the case i'd be glad about hints and fixes! Of cause it does work with --install. But this is a special case. The following only applies to the unstable tree: xlib6 has once provided elf-x11r6lib and X programms had a depend on this virtual package. But elf-x11r6lib has been dropped and xlib6 now conflicts with it. But there are still clients which depends on the package (they have bugreports filed against this). The reason why one wants equivs provide elf-x11r6lib is that dselect won't complain any more. To get around this anomaly one has to install equivs with --force-conflicts. In other cases you are right of cause. Ciao, Martin -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mono monitor with x
Attached is my XF86Config which I use I am very new to linux so this file is not clean yet, but it works... I have an old 386 20MHz with 6.5M RAM, Hercules monitor and MDA with a parallel port on it... If you are working on a similar system, be aware that it takes ~3min to load X.( for Linux three minutes too) Good luck, ZORO # File generated by xf86config. # # Copyright (c) 1995 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the Software), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, # WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF # OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE # SOFTWARE. # # Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall # not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other # dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the # XFree86 Project. # # ** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. # ** # ** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ** Section Files # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like .txt or .db). There is normally # no need to change the default. RgbPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) # # If you don't have a floating point coprocessor and emacs, Mosaic or other # programs take long to start up, try moving the Type1 and Speedo directory # to the end of this list (or comment them out). # FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/ #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ #FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ # For OSs that support Dynamically loaded modules, ModulePath can be # used to set a search path for the modules. This is currently supported # for Linux ELF, FreeBSD 2.x and NetBSD 1.x. The default path is shown # here. #ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules EndSection # ** # Module section -- this is an optional section which is used to specify # which dynamically loadable modules to load. Dynamically loadable # modules are currently supported only for Linux ELF, FreeBSD 2.x # and NetBSD 1.x. Currently, dynamically loadable modules are used # only for some extended input (XInput) device drivers. # ** # # Section Module # # This loads the module for the Joystick driver # # Load xf86Jstk.so # # EndSection # ** # Server flags section. # ** Section ServerFlags # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging #NoTrapSignals # Uncomment this to disable the CrtlAltBS server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. #DontZap # Uncomment this to disable the CrtlAltKP_+/KP_- mode switching # sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events. #DontZoom # Uncomment this to disable tuning with the xvidtune client. With # it the client can still run and fetch card and monitor attributes, # but it will not be allowed to change them. If it tries it will # receive a protocol error. # DisableVidModeExtension # Uncomment this to enable the use of a
Re: savelog with immediate compress
On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Debian List wrote: However, that would cause the useless creation of the .0 file because it will be nearly empty... :( each savelog would take up 2 files. It's just a shell script. Copy it somewhere (so you're changes won't be lost when a new savelog is installed) and open it up in an editor. Where it says it's compressing the files, remove the .0 extensions from the variables and change the .1 to .0. HTH, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Trovalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
one pentium, two vga adaptors, and linux?
Is this possible with the intel platform? With linux? Any idea where I might go to read more about it if it is? __ I like six eggs when starting on a journey. Fried - not poached. And mind you don't break 'em. I won't eat a broken egg. -- Thorin Oakenshield -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
kde/Intrinsic.h
I'm trying to build KDE and the configuration script says it can't find X.. it's looking for a file called X11/Intrinsic.h .. does anyone know which package contains this file? -Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
xdm: killing xconsole after user logs on
how can I do this? Thanks Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: is the Creative Labs AWE64 GOLD Soundcard supported?
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Oct 04, 1997 at 11:28:24AM -0800, Britton wrote: On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: How well/is the AWE64 GOLD Sound card supported under Linux? ..or will it act/function like the SB16? It will act like a SB16 yes, but this is nothing wonderful, as the SB16 is quite pathetic. xmix is the only program I've run into with a line select (which you need since the SB 16 has no input mixer). And it should act like a AWE-32, because I have the suspicion, that they mostly enchanced the software driver, not the hardware. (I wouldn't be surprised, if the hardware is nearly the same. I have a AWE32 with the 64upgrade, and they say that I have a functionally AWE64, so it is another sort of Winsoundcard) What you want is awedrv, which is available as a debian source package. Trouble is, it won't compile as a module, which I think means you have to use initrd to run isapnp before it will work. I've read the initrd stuff, You HAVE to install it as a module, because isapnp must be started first, and then the sound module has to be installed. In fact, isapnp will be started automagically by the current initrd scripts, so you have just to install it, and add two entrys two the isapnp config file (mail me for more info). but havn't gotten around to trying it yet. Am I right in my understanding that you just need to copy over a rescue disk, isapnp, and possible bash (to write initrc with) into the initrd environment? Anyone done this? How your isapnp.conf file looks like? can you send it to me? You just have to install and congfigure isapnp, that it is (and add the sound module to the modules autoloaded at boot time, if you want. You can even load a sound font bank at boot time). do you mean to let kerneld to load the sound module? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: icq - java-version
where did you get the java version icq? Toens Bueker wrote: Hi *, recently we had a discussion about the pros and cons of icq. I just wanted to check out the java-version. I installed jdk-1.0.2 and got these errors: java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no awt in shared library path at java.lang.Runtime.loadLibrary(Runtime.java) at java.lang.System.loadLibrary(System.java) at sun.awt.motif.MToolkit.clinit(MToolkit.java:37) at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(Toolkit.java:199) at java.awt.Window.getToolkit(Window.java:163) What can I do? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xdm: killing xconsole after user logs on
On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Paul Miller wrote: how can I do this? You can do this in the Xstartup script, which is run as root after the user has logged in and before the Xsession script is run. These scripts are in /etc/X11/xdm on a Debian system. You can simply put a line killall xconsole in Xstartup, but that could lead to undesired behaviour if different users log in using X at the same time. If that never happens on your computer, it's safe. BTW, all scripts with names that end in _0 are used for display :0 (the default local display), the other scripts are used for all displays (they are used for all other displays, but the scripts for :0 source them, except for the Xsetup_0 script). You can specify which scripts are used for which displays in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config. See man xdm for more details. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .