Re: kernel sound defaults wrong?

1997-12-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -0600, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:
 Rick Hawkins wrote:
  After playing for an extended period with the default settings, I finally
  figured out why my sound card wouldn't work:  the defaults in the kernel
  package use Irq 7 rather than 5.  Isn't 5 the standard on this?
 
 standard? Surely you jest. Yeah, it's also the standard for a lot
 of other ISA cards whose manufacturer decided that 5 should be the
 standard IRQ for their board. I believe this myth has originated
 because the Creative Labs Soundblaster board factory-defaults to an

Why shouldn't our kernel factory-default to 5 too?

Also I heard that Redhat have a nice sound configuration utility using
the nice new modularized sound driver. Still I haven't worked out
how to modularize my sound driver in 2.1.65. Something like this would
be nice. Perhaps I'll look into it.


Hamish
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Re: kernel sound defaults wrong?

1997-12-11 Thread Stephen Zander
Hamish Moffatt wrote:
 Why shouldn't our kernel factory-default to 5 too?

I thought irq 5 was also for lpt1. surely it's
better to document what we have now? Otherwise we may
trade one set of questions for another (Why can't I
use my ... printer? :))

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Re: kernel sound defaults wrong?

1997-12-11 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Stephen Zander wrote:

 I thought irq 5 was also for lpt1. surely it's better to document
 what we have now? Otherwise we may trade one set of questions for
 another (Why can't I use my ... printer? :)) 

In linux the lp module doesn't use an IRQ, it polls instead, doesn't it? I
mean, look at this:

[7 mmagallo scratchy:~] cat /proc/interrupts 
 0: 924972   timer
 1:  24832   keyboard
 2:  0   cascade
 3: 148937   NE2000
 4:  14280 + serial
10:1311714 + fdomain
13:  1   math error
14: 191086 + ide0

and the printer does its job nicely...


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Re: kernel sound defaults wrong?

1997-12-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 04:39:42PM -0800, Stephen Zander wrote:
 Hamish Moffatt wrote:
  Why shouldn't our kernel factory-default to 5 too?
 
 I thought irq 5 was also for lpt1. surely it's
 better to document what we have now? Otherwise we may
 trade one set of questions for another (Why can't I
 use my ... printer? :))

Well, IRQ 7 is usually for LPT1, and printing doesn't require
an IRQ by default (you have to enable it with tunelp). I actually
have a serial port on IRQ 7, as well as the printer, and it works fine.
Things like Zip drives might be another question though.

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Re: Anyone have any good help files for the learning Linux fan?

1997-12-11 Thread David Stern
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 12:28:12 +0300, cs51wcs wrote:
 I'm looking for a good file for  that will be able to answer some of my =
 questions about Linux. I've read all the included how-to's, but still =
 have many questions.  I currently only have e-mail access and am not =
 able to browse or ftp.

Hi Scott,

You pose a common, yet unsuspectingly complex, question.  Being fairly 
new to Linux myself, I may, or may not, have a decent take on your 
perspective.  I'm going to take a stab at your request, in a roundabout 
way (this is long, sorry).

While I've been somewhat new to linux for the past six months, I was 
only freshly new to Linux for a relatively short time, perhaps a couple 
months. The initial adjustment is the most difficult transition.  
Slowly, piece by piece, you'll probably get to know Linux better, and 
soon you'll feel like part of the Linux crowd, and have gaudy 
.signature file exalting Linux. :-)  Well, maybe not that last part, 
but you see where I'm going with this.

Now to the brunt of the matter. It's difficult to answer your question 
straight out, even with ftp and web access. Incidentally, there is a 
way of getting ftp access via e-mail (sorry, I forget what that package 
is called), assuming the file you want is within your quota, but I 
gather that you're looking for a sort of quick-start guide, or a tonic 
for early Linux woes.

The HOWTO's are an excellent resource, however Linux is very dynamic, 
and some of the HOWTO's I've found tend to be a little bit general or 
technical in nature, and often slightly out of date, and most of the 
information you're going to desire to configure your system may be 
somewhat more personalized and current, and may need to be translated 
to a different level of understanding.  By the way, make sure you have 
an easy way to read those tarball howto's, either with a shell script 
such as that found in the Tips-HOWTO, or else using FileRunner or 
MidnightCommander.

Your understanding of Linux will continually improve everytime you 
apply your knowledge, so it would be difficult to write a beginner's 
quick start guide, because by the time you were half way through, you'd 
be at a higher skill level(assuming you practiced along the way).  
Also, Linux is a sufficiently vast and unlimited domain such that you 
can use Linux for a long time and still have many deep and wide chasms, 
even if all Linux development were to completely cease, and surely that 
will not happen anytime soon.  Clearly, a fresh beginner's needs differ 
markedly from those of a year-old beginner.  So, where to start a 
beginner's guide?

One of the best ways to become acquanted with Linux is to pick up a 
good book.  I know they don't give them away, but there are a number of 
excellent Linux books out right now, one of the more popular ones of 
which is Running Linux.  (My copy is currently 7 inches from my 
keyboard, as are a couple other O'Reilly books.)

The reason I recommend a book is because it takes the information you 
and I require and packages it in an informal, almost conversational, 
style, which you and I can usually come to terms with. It's also 
indexed, can be read at lunch or on the bus (or before muster on the 
ship, as the case may be :-).  You might look for unix books at your 
library, I found a good number, even at local libraries.

While I sub-consciously curse the volume of the mailing lists, which is 
ever-increasing, I find the ideas and examples and conversational, 
practical, up-to-date questions and answers very relevant, so I save 
favorites in a folder, which I can call upon when needed by using my 
e-mail client to search for a keyword. Over time what I save has 
changed remarkably.  You might already have a Linux folder setup and be 
doing this, it's a common practice.

By reading the mailing list, I not only solve problems and manage day 
to day issues, but I also learn the language of Linux that books rarely 
yield.  This might not seem very important at first glance, but it is 
actually invaluable to me because it is a sort of catalyst or bonding 
agent that melds all the information into my ideas which are then able 
to be recalled when needed, and which will form the basis of how I 
personalize your Linux box, as well as other future departure points.  
Lots of little bits and pieces.

With windoze, one often does not have so many choices, but with Linux 
there are many choices to be made with regard to window managers, 
editors, e-mail clients,.. and with Linux one is presented with the 
task of administering services to users, and one's configuration files 
become increasingly valuable, so backups become more of a requirement; 
in essence, Linux requires more on the sys admin side.  It takes time 
and effort, but the reward is knowledge and skills which afford more 
agility and might for computing tasks, all at a price which cannot be 
beat (unless you buy microsoft's claims).

So, where to start a beginner's guide? I wish I knew.  

Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO - purging -dev packages

1997-12-11 Thread Robert D. Hilliard
 Section 3. of the Mini-HOWTO says:
 If you wish to do libc6 development, you should first purge all the
 '-dev' packages on your system

 Please confirm that this does not include dpkg-dev_1.4.0.19.deb,
which was installed under Section 2.3.

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Re: Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO - purging -dev packages

1997-12-11 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Robert D. Hilliard wrote:

  Section 3. of the Mini-HOWTO says:
  If you wish to do libc6 development, you should first purge all the
  '-dev' packages on your system
 
  Please confirm that this does not include dpkg-dev_1.4.0.19.deb,
 which was installed under Section 2.3.

Correct, you don't need to purge dpkg-dev


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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-11 Thread Bryan Barcelo
At 09:15 AM 12/10/97 -0600, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:
These messages do not indicate a fatal error, only that you haven't
installed these X extensions. If you're using your own .xinitrc,
are you sure that the last command uses 'exec' rather than just
running a program? This would cause the X server to immediately exit.

Yes, my last command was an 'exec' which I used to load olvwm. Regarding
the extensions, are these options I can choose from dselect?

Bryan


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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-11 Thread Bryan Barcelo
At 04:32 PM 12/10/97 +0100, Sten Anderson wrote:
Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 These messages do not indicate a fatal error, only that you haven't
 installed these X extensions. If you're using your own .xinitrc,
 are you sure that the last command uses 'exec' rather than just
 running a program? This would cause the X server to immediately exit.

It is NOT necessary for the last command to be started with exec. In
fact, exec should only be used on the window manager, and only if that 
is the last command in .xinitrc. The problem is more likely the use of
's. Every program started in .xinitrc should have  appended EXCEPT
the window manager. 

Well, that's right. All the commands in my .xinitrc script end in  except
for the one loading the window manager.  Thanks.

Bryan


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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 05:51:40AM +0800, Bryan Barcelo wrote:
 At 04:32 PM 12/10/97 +0100, Sten Anderson wrote:
 Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  These messages do not indicate a fatal error, only that you haven't
  installed these X extensions. If you're using your own .xinitrc,
  are you sure that the last command uses 'exec' rather than just
  running a program? This would cause the X server to immediately exit.
 
 It is NOT necessary for the last command to be started with exec. In
 fact, exec should only be used on the window manager, and only if that 
 is the last command in .xinitrc. The problem is more likely the use of
 's. Every program started in .xinitrc should have  appended EXCEPT
 the window manager. 
 
 Well, that's right. All the commands in my .xinitrc script end in  except
 for the one loading the window manager.  Thanks.

The window manager should always be last too. Specifically, the last
command should not end in , but it's most useful if that's the window
manager. You could make it xclock or something, but then you'd
have to kill the clock somehow to logout.

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Re: smail to exim

1997-12-11 Thread tps
On Dec 10, Kevin Traas wrote
 I'm looking to convert from smail to exim for various reasons
 
 Anyway, I've no experience with exim.  Can anyone give me any pointers on
 how to proceed with this particular roll-over or let me know of any docs
 I can RTFM, etc.  Any caveats, things to watch for, etc. would be helpful.

Exim is straight forward for basic installation, just like smail. Are you
using the smail lists (mailing list fuctions)? I converted a machine
at BNL from smail to exim in about 20 mins. The hardest thing for me
was getting smail marked to be removed, and exim to be installed,
and the whole thing to get forced through dpkg!  I, and a lot of
others have virtual domains, smartlist, etc running with exim very
happily, so just get the basic install done, then fire away with
any questions.

Tim

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Help with using a remote xserver

1997-12-11 Thread bewhite
Hello all,

I'm posting here because this used to work when I was using Slackware.  I
have a mac (my wife won't migrate to Linux ... yet!) and a linux box
connect by ethernet.  I run X11 on the linux machine, and because the
monitor on the mac is so much nicer, I like to use a X server on it.
There is a free xserver for the mac called MI/X.  Worked fairly well
before I migrated to debian, but now when I try to start a client on that
display I get the following errors:

whitehouse$ xterm -display powermac:0.0 
_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
Error: Can't open display: powermac:0.0
whitehouse$

It also doen't work when invoked with

whitehouse$ xterm -display 192.168.1.2:0.0

This gives the same error.  So what gives.  I seem to have everything set
up on my mac the same as before.  I've gone through the docs about X11 in
/usr/doc and yes I have Anybody as my secondline in /etc/X11/Xserver.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ben


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Re: Perl 5.004.04-2 causes core dumps...

1997-12-11 Thread Pure Energy
On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Neilen Marais wrote:
 I am having a bit of a problem with Perl.
 
 I am running a mostly hamm system, but whenever I use the newest perl
 things start core-dumping (adduser, dpkg-ftp)...  The only solution I
 have found is to downgrade to the old perl that came with hamm, though
 this of course breaks dependancies etc...
 
 Am at my wits end as to how to hanlde this Could someone PLEASE
 help?
 
 BTW, the version of PERL I'm trying to install is 5.004.04-2.
 
 Thanks in advance
 Neilen

Hmm same thing here aswell. I'm running stable but have a few hamm
packages installed. This i get running everyperl script and some
(including adduser) just core dump.. *ANY* help in this would be
appreciated.

Adrenolin [~]$perl -v
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = en_US
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale (C).

This is perl, version 5.004_02

Thanx 
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RE: smail to exim

1997-12-11 Thread George Bonser

The largest hurdle that you are going to face is getting smail off of your
system so you can install exim.  You are going to need to force dpkg to remove
this essential package.

I would wait a little while, the package in unstable is much better than the
one in stable and a new upstream source release was just announced this week. 

On 10-Dec-97 Kevin Traas wrote:
 I'm looking to convert from smail to exim for various reasons
 
 Anyway, I've no experience with exim.  Can anyone give me any pointers on
 how to proceed with this particular roll-over or let me know of any docs
 I can RTFM, etc.  Any caveats, things to watch for, etc. would be helpful.
 
 TIA,
 Kevin Traas
 
 
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Re: Perl 5.004.04-2 causes core dumps...

1997-12-11 Thread Pure Energy
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Stephen Zander wrote:

 Neilen Marais wrote:
  Am at my wits end as to how to hanlde this Could someone PLEASE
  help?
 
 Sure, if I knew where  when perl was core dumping what exactly is going
 wrong?
 
 Stephen
Hi Stephen,

Don't know how this can help but this is an example of adduser:

Root [~]#adduser pringles  #ok ok i'm eating Pringles now :)
Segmentation fault (core dumped)#it cores out
Root [~]#rm -n core#I remove the core

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upgraded to hamm! perl prob...

1997-12-11 Thread Christopher Jason Morrone

Ok.  I just completely reinstalled Debian.  Pretty smooth.

I let dselect install all the basic pre-selected packages.  All good.

Then I followed the libc5 to libc6 howto to the letter.

I installed the necessary libraries by hand for perl.

Then I ran dselect and pointed the ftp to the hamm dist like it says in
the howto.  I let dselect just run and upgrade the necessary packages.

Well, for some reason perl didn't get installed because it depended on
something else...and then dselect broke.  Well, since dselect's ftp method
already got perl_5.004.04-3.deb for me, I just went and found it and did a
dpkg -i perl_5.004.04-3.deb by hand.  That fixed things.

I think maybe that perl file and whatever else it needs should be added to
the libc5 to libc6 upgrade, to be installed by hand before using dselect.


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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-11 Thread Daniel Martin at cush
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The window manager should always be last too. Specifically, the last
 command should not end in , but it's most useful if that's the window
 manager. You could make it xclock or something, but then you'd
 have to kill the clock somehow to logout.

Depends - most window managers will send a message to all active X
clients when they exit that causes them to shut down.


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Replacing smail w/exim

1997-12-11 Thread Randy Edwards
I'm presently running my system with smail.  What I'd like to do is
to convert to an easier to configure and more capable MTA, which I
believe is exim (correct me if I'm wrong:-).

   However, I'm in a catch-22.  dselect/dpkg won't allow me to remove
smail because so many packages depend on it.  And, dselect/dpkg won't
allow me to install exim because smail already exists.

   Could someone give me some tips on the proper way to accomplish
such a switch?  Is there a way to override dselect/dpkg's dependencies
for such circumstances?  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-11 Thread Alan Su
Daniel Martin at cush wrote (Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:34:52 -0500 ):
|Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
|
| The window manager should always be last too. Specifically, the last
| command should not end in , but it's most useful if that's the window
| manager. You could make it xclock or something, but then you'd
| have to kill the clock somehow to logout.
|
|Depends - most window managers will send a message to all active X
|clients when they exit that causes them to shut down.
|

I don't think this is right...I've fiddled a lot with window managers,
and I switch them ``mid-flight'' quite a bit.  (Since I have an xterm
as the final exec'd command, killing my window manager doesn't end my
x session.)  If what you're saying is true, every time I switch window
managers, all my windows would die, effectively ending the session.
Needless to say, this doesn't happen.

-alan


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RE: Replacing smail w/exim

1997-12-11 Thread George Bonser

try dpkg -r --force remove-essential smail
or 
dpkg -r --force depends smail

but I think it is the first one.



On 11-Dec-97 Randy Edwards wrote:
 I'm presently running my system with smail.  What I'd like to do is
 to convert to an easier to configure and more capable MTA, which I
 believe is exim (correct me if I'm wrong:-).
 
However, I'm in a catch-22.  dselect/dpkg won't allow me to remove
 smail because so many packages depend on it.  And, dselect/dpkg won't
 allow me to install exim because smail already exists.
 
Could someone give me some tips on the proper way to accomplish
 such a switch?  Is there a way to override dselect/dpkg's dependencies
 for such circumstances?  Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-11 Thread Sten Anderson
Alan Su [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Daniel Martin at cush wrote (Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:34:52 -0500 ):
 |Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 |
 | The window manager should always be last too. Specifically, the last
 | command should not end in , but it's most useful if that's the window
 | manager. You could make it xclock or something, but then you'd
 | have to kill the clock somehow to logout.
 |
 |Depends - most window managers will send a message to all active X
 |clients when they exit that causes them to shut down.
 |
 
 I don't think this is right...I've fiddled a lot with window managers,
 and I switch them ``mid-flight'' quite a bit.  (Since I have an xterm
 as the final exec'd command, killing my window manager doesn't end my
 x session.)  If what you're saying is true, every time I switch window
 managers, all my windows would die, effectively ending the session.
 Needless to say, this doesn't happen.

It depends entirely of the window manager. WindowMaker, for example,
has two exit options: exit... and exit session This way it is
optional whether all X clients should be killed or not. It is correct
that if you kill a window manager manually (kill pid), it should not 
kill other X clients (except perhaps it children).

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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-11 Thread Daniel Martin at cush
Alan Su [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Daniel Martin at cush wrote (Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:34:52 -0500 ):
 |
 |Depends - most window managers will send a message to all active X
 |clients when they exit that causes them to shut down.
 |
 
 I don't think this is right...I've fiddled a lot with window managers,
 and I switch them ``mid-flight'' quite a bit.  (Since I have an xterm
 as the final exec'd command, killing my window manager doesn't end my
 x session.)  If what you're saying is true, every time I switch window
 managers, all my windows would die, effectively ending the session.
 Needless to say, this doesn't happen.
 

Ok - I was too wuick with my use of most.  I got used to this way of
doing things from olvwm, which does behave this way.  (But I've just
checked and, indeed, fvwm2 does not)


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some dselect questions

1997-12-11 Thread Michael Stutz
Hey all--

Got several dselect questions that have been bugging me lately.

One thing I don't like about dselect is with the searching -- is there a way
to search through the text descriptions as well as the package names? Also,
I'm not crazy about \ as the repeat search key -- is there a reason why
an empty / search couldn't repeat the last search?

Is it possible to view unstable packages with dselect? The Packages file
never seems to be available.

This leads to a question I have about libraries. My intent was to install
Wine, and after not finding it in dselect's selection menu after updating my
package lists, I thought there didn't exist a Debian package for it. I
thought this was kinda odd, so after searching debian.org found it in
unstable. Among the dependencies listed was xlib6g and a few other
unstable packages that didn't appear in dselect. The idea of replacing the
libraries on my main box with unstable libc6, xlib6g and xpm4g scared me,
and so I decided not to install it. Would this have broken my system?
Furthermore, are these libs at all close to being moved over to stable?

Finally, what's the status of diety?

thanks

m

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Re: Help with using a remote xserver

1997-12-11 Thread Ronald L. Zerbe Jr.
 I use a different server, but try  DISPLAY=powermac:0; export DISPLAY 
from a telnet prompt in yur linux box. Then xterm or what ever, speaking of
MI/X i just d/led the free version, (win95) and the file0001.bin is password
protected, i cant get it to install, emailed microimage about it, but no
answer.
I also d/l it twice incase of bad file but still same problem. the setup
program after u run getme1st sees it and starts to install but never
uncompressed the file? Anyhelp? tired of this win95 Xserver that only gives
u 30 minute connections.

RZ


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 1997 7:11 PM
Subject: Help with using a remote xserver



Hello all,

I'm posting here because this used to work when I was using Slackware.  I
have a mac (my wife won't migrate to Linux ... yet!) and a linux box
connect by ethernet.  I run X11 on the linux machine, and because the
monitor on the mac is so much nicer, I like to use a X server on it.
There is a free xserver for the mac called MI/X.  Worked fairly well
before I migrated to debian, but now when I try to start a client on that
display I get the following errors:

 whitehouse$ xterm -display powermac:0.0
 _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
 _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
 _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
 _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
 _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
 _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
 Error: Can't open display: powermac:0.0
 whitehouse$

It also doen't work when invoked with

 whitehouse$ xterm -display 192.168.1.2:0.0

This gives the same error.  So what gives.  I seem to have everything set
up on my mac the same as before.  I've gone through the docs about X11 in
/usr/doc and yes I have Anybody as my secondline in /etc/X11/Xserver.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ben


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Re: is there a Debian specific published manual

1997-12-11 Thread G John Lapeyre



See the docs at www.debian.org .  There are quite a few.
Also there is a book on debian (OReilly ?) , its also on the net,
but I can't remember where.


On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Fuzzy wrote:

 / 
 /usr   
   /usr/srcinstalled system software sources
   /usr/local  /etc /bin /lib whatever 
   /usr/local/src  installed locally patched sources 
   of course if things are stable
   there probably wont be much in /usr/local

Debian currently follows the FSSTND .  There is nothing
in /usr/local .  Thats all for your site.

 /var  
   /var/spool  for UUCP spool, inn control files
   users mail 
   (if its possible the users mail spool
   should go in the users /home our
   users use mainly pine and elm (MUAs)
   and we use sendmail (MTA))
   SMTPD staging
I believe all the debian defaults put mail in /var/spool 
(I'm not sure if there is a script to let you choose.)  With sendmail
I think you just edit the directory in /etc/passwd  to change this.


 /tmp 
 /news spool space for articles
 /home[1-n]user home directories

agrees

 /majordomoall things relating 

debian puts bins in /usr/lib/majordomo  (all files that are static)
puts variable files in /var/lib/majordomo
puts docs in /usr/doc/majordomo  
This goes for all packages



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zgv (libc6)

1997-12-11 Thread Christopher Jason Morrone

Just tried zgv thats in hamm.  I get this:

red# zgv
svgalib: FATAL internal error:
Set MAX_REGS at least to 405 in src/driver.h and recompile everything.


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Re 12 virtual consoles

1997-12-11 Thread Matthew F.

[original message got lost when my debian-user folder got automagically
 cleaned out at midnight. mea culpa... ]

at a guess, I think what you want is more along the lines of 'screen'
(available as a .deb in the 'misc' directory). it's a nice terminal
multiplexer that permits up to 9 login or non-login shells to run on
a single terminal (or VC), and provides some very nice capabilities
such as detach/reattach ability, cut'n'paste, and typescripts besides.
(having your programs' controlling process independent of the physical
terminal is a wonderful thing, btw, if you have to telnet over a flaky
connection or hop between X and textmode.)
 
9 screens per console * 12 virtual consoles = 108 possible screens.
that should be sufficient. :

cheers, 
 
 --- matthew powers ---

`` and what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good --
need we ask anyone to tell us these things? ''


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correction.

1997-12-11 Thread Matthew F.

 9 screens * 12 virtual consoles = 108

argh!! 

yes, this is indeed very wrong. realized just as the message zipped out - 
that'll teach me to run my mouth at 2am. sorry. :) 

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Re: is there a Debian specific published manual

1997-12-11 Thread Random
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, G John Lapeyre wrote:
 
   See the docs at www.debian.org .  There are quite a few.
   Also there is a book on debian (OReilly ?) , its also on the net,
 but I can't remember where.
 
 

There is the Debian Linux User's Guide, published by Linux Press.
It's available from their web site (http://www.linuxpress.com).

I took a look at it.  It seems fairly complete, but you can get the same
information from the HOWTO documents and the Debian FAQ.

Corey



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Re: is there a Debian specific published manual

1997-12-11 Thread George Bonser

On 11-Dec-97 Random wrote:
 
 I took a look at it.  It seems fairly complete, but you can get the same
 information from the HOWTO documents and the Debian FAQ.
 
 Corey

The book is pretty handy if your internet connection is not set up yet ;)


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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 08:00:30PM -0800, Alan Su wrote:
 Daniel Martin at cush wrote (Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:34:52 -0500 ):
 |Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 |
 | The window manager should always be last too. Specifically, the last
 | command should not end in , but it's most useful if that's the window
 | manager. You could make it xclock or something, but then you'd
 | have to kill the clock somehow to logout.
 |
 |Depends - most window managers will send a message to all active X
 |clients when they exit that causes them to shut down.
 
 I don't think this is right...I've fiddled a lot with window managers,
 and I switch them ``mid-flight'' quite a bit.  (Since I have an xterm
 as the final exec'd command, killing my window manager doesn't end my
 x session.)  If what you're saying is true, every time I switch window
 managers, all my windows would die, effectively ending the session.
 Needless to say, this doesn't happen.

The window manager will replace itself with the new one,
(using an exec() call, presumably). So the same command in
your .xsession/.xinitrc is still running.


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Re: Need help in X Windows installation

1997-12-11 Thread Alan Su
Hamish Moffatt wrote (Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:36:55 +1100 ):
|On Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 08:00:30PM -0800, Alan Su wrote:
| Daniel Martin at cush wrote (Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:34:52 -0500 ):
| |Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| |
| | The window manager should always be last too. Specifically, the last
| | command should not end in , but it's most useful if that's the window
| | manager. You could make it xclock or something, but then you'd
| | have to kill the clock somehow to logout.
| |
| |Depends - most window managers will send a message to all active X
| |clients when they exit that causes them to shut down.
| 
| I don't think this is right...I've fiddled a lot with window managers,
| and I switch them ``mid-flight'' quite a bit.  (Since I have an xterm
| as the final exec'd command, killing my window manager doesn't end my
| x session.)  If what you're saying is true, every time I switch window
| managers, all my windows would die, effectively ending the session.
| Needless to say, this doesn't happen.
|
|The window manager will replace itself with the new one,
|(using an exec() call, presumably). So the same command in
|your .xsession/.xinitrc is still running.
|

This is only true if you use the window manager facility to restart.
I usually kill the window manager with (kill pid), temporarily
leaving me window manager-less.  Then, I start another window manager
from a shell I have open.  I suppose I could configure my window
manager to exec a different window manager, but that's too much
effort.  or i'm too lazy.  (probably the latter.)

-alan


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Re: Perl 5.004.04-2 causes core dumps...

1997-12-11 Thread Martin Bialasinski
 
 BTW, the version of PERL I'm trying to install is 5.004.04-2.
 
There is a perl 5.004.04-3 at
ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/pub/debian/Incoming/DONE/

Maybe it will solve your problems.

Ciao,
Martin



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SVGA (X) server stopped working properly.

1997-12-11 Thread Liran Zvibel
Hello!
I accidently ran (the command) X (not startx) and the server showed up
with no window-manager or anything else (just the dotted gray/white/black
background and the x shaped cursor) I didn't know how to shut it down so I
rebooted (since CTRL-ALT-DEL didn't do the job I pressed reset),
everything works fine BUT X windows.

The resolution is now 640x400, even though I ran XF86Setup and changed the
screen to 1024x768 non-interlaced, then edited /etc/X11/XF86Config
manually and added (even though I used XF86Setup it wasn't there) support
for 1024x768 and 800x600. When I shut it down, I was that the server
marked (with (**) instead of (--)) resolutions up to 640X400, and wrote
that it didn't use 800x600 since it is 50 MHz and my clock limit is 40
MHz, it also wrote that it dropped 1024x768 from the list (didn't say why 
- I configured it to 80 MHz) My monitor AND graphic card can do much
better then 40 MHz.

Should I reinsatall xbase and SVGA-Server?
Can I do something else about it? 
I'm using Trident 8900CL and no-name (non-interlace) monitor that can do
30-50 and 30-90 for 1024x768 and 800x600.

Please help!

Thanks in advance!!!

Liran Zvibel.


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Re: How to get slrn colored in xterm ?

1997-12-11 Thread Frank Barknecht
Britton hat gesagt: // Britton wrote:

 
 What you need to do (if you are running bash at least) is type
 
 export TERM=xterm-color
 
 in the terminal before you start slrn.  

But this does not work anymore if you are living unstable with libc6.
Somehow the terminfo entry for xterm-color is gone and I too faced the 
situation that slrn, mc and the like were black'n'white.

export COLORTERM=y   did the trick for me!

 
 On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Peter Prohaska wrote:
 
  hi all,
  
  I´m using slrn for reading news and do NOT want to change the app ;)
  
  Now, when starting slrn from within the standard linux terminal, I get
  that nifty color-spreading frontend. But when started in an xterm, it
  looks sad monochrome.
  
  Does anyone know if can get colors in xterms, too -- and how?
  
  thanx,
peter.

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ird registration

1997-12-11 Thread Brian Skreeg

Hi folks,

I`m in the middle of writing an IRC client but have been halted in 
development by odd behaviour of the Debian ircd package.
Ircd is installed as per default. This should be no ident and anyone
can connect.

According to the rfc the login process is like this.

PASS anything
NICk nick
USER user hostname servername :whois

Now, if I telnet to scorch 667 (my hostname) it connects and dumps
me at the login bit so...

PASS oz
NICK oz
USER oz scorch scorch :blah blah

JOIN #blah

I then get an error saying JOIN : Register first

Now, according to the rfc, if I register with USER twice, I`ll should get
ERROR : already registered.

This isn`t happening. Typing in USER on it`s own gives;
ERROR: not enough parameters ... as per rfc this is correct.

But , USER registering properly seems to have no effect.

Is there something different about this ircd in someway?

I`ve written bots before in C and these worked correct to the rfc.
Something is amiss.

TIA



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Re: Partitioning

1997-12-11 Thread Gertjan Klein
Bill Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Gertjan Klein wrote:

  Obviously
  these are judgement calls and opinions but when the original hard disk code
  was written decisions were made concerning such things as sizes for device
  storage parameters.  While what you have said about the cost of 10Meg HDs
  and the like is true, that fact did not seem to influence others in such a
  limiting way about how to deal with the matter.  More importantly, I
  think, is that it has taken many years to finally to address this issue.

  The original harddisk code was written for (relatively) cheap
hardware.  SCSI harddisks, using block addressing, were of course
around, but much more expensive.  Nevertheless, even though the
partition table entries specify the location of partitions in cylinder,
head, and sector parameters, they _also_ specify them in logical block
numbers.  Using these numbers a harddisk of 2 TB (2048 GB) can be
described.  Note, again, that the partition table layout has nothing to
do with the BIOS.  The BIOS provided an interface for cheap hardware; if
demand would have been higher for better quality hardware, like built-in
support for SCSI drives, it would have been there.  Nothing in the PC
design prevents this - in fact, my BIOS directly supports (NCR) SCSI
controllers.  On top of that, the PC design allows for _really_ non
standard (for PC's, anyway) hardware to have it's own BIOS to take over
the standard BIOS calls.

  I'm not exactly sure what you think is the nightmare part of the
  original design (and frankly, I don't care).  There are a ...

  And if you don't care then we are probably both wasting our time.

  No - because I am not trying to change your _opinion_ on PC hardware,
I am just trying to stop you from spreading misinformation about it.  I
realize very well that a lot of compromises have been made with PC
design over the years, there is enough to complain about - so if you
want to do that, go ahead, but get your facts straight.

  * There is a limited number of primary partitions available in the MBR.
  This limitation is no serious problem, as many modern OSes don't object
  to being installed in an extended partition (of which there can be as
  many as required).

  Yes, many often incompatible workarounds exist.

  What do you mean with incompatible workarounds?  What's incompatible
about booting from an extended partition?

  No there is nothing brain dead about partitioning a drive and I see no way
  that anyone could conclude from anything that I have said that I think
  otherwise.  It is the arbitrary decision to create the tiered partition
  types (primary, extended, and logical) abstraction that I object to.

  Since the partition table resides in the MBR, with limited space,
_some_ limit had to be set to the number of entries in the table.  Four,
at the time, was a reasonable limit.  When the limit became - well,
limiting, MS introduced extended partitions - which is nothing other
than a way to arbitrarily expand the partition table.  It seems like a
reasonable solution to me.

  These modern BIOSes have finally caught up with BIOSes of more than
  twenty years ago.  Are you suggesting that had different decisions
  concerning how to deal compatibly with the various limitation that were
  arbitrarily built into the original design had been handled differently
  that the PC would not be as popular or have such a favorable
  performance/price ratio as it currently has?

  Yes.  (I don't want to get into this, though, because there is no way
to prove one way or the other).

  I have lost it.  In as much as I really do not wish to mislead anyone
  then by misinformation are you talking about my assertions with respect
  to the BIOS design (and indeed design evolution) upon the overall
  filesystem design, or rather my (admitted) failure to even mention that
  there are new BIOS designs that do not themselves impose this scheme, or
  both?

  Your misinformation was that:

 - BIOS imposes the current partitioning scheme opon us, and limits the
number of primary partitions to four (not true - BIOS knows nothing
about partitions and doesn't care either).

 - DOS, Windows and OS/2 don't see other primary partitions than the one
they booted from (not true - DOS and Windows see other primary DOS
partitions just fine, and OS/2 won't even boot when they are present and
not hidden).

 - fdisk /mbr will wipe out everything on the drive (wrong - it just
replaces (or installs) the MBR software without touching the partition
table).

 - (A point I hadn't addressed yet:) loadlin uses BIOS calls for drive
access (wrong - it uses DOS calls, which can, but don't have to,
translate into BIOS calls).

  You _still_ don't seem to get that partitioning and BIOS have nothing
to do with each other, and that the BIOS is simply just a piece of
software - if the current interface is not longer sufficient, it is very
easy to change the BIOS to provide a new interface, or 

Re: Debian/WindowsNT partitioning

1997-12-11 Thread Gertjan Klein
Bill Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Because of what you say, I feel as though
  it borders on FM but possibly it has something to do with the BIOS of
  the particular machines where this has workded?

  FM?  Fdisk uses standard BIOS calls to access the harddisk, so it's
unlikely this has something to do with the BIOS.  I don't know what
could be the cause, though.

  Gertjan.

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crypt problem

1997-12-11 Thread Martin Madlik
I'm trying to use st. from hamm distribution.
  libc6 and so on I have installed properly but now I have following problem :
I'm compilling RADIUS 2.0 daemon and here is error message :
/tmp/cca305401.o: In function `unix_pass':
/tmp/cca305401.o(.text+0x2159): undefined reference to `crypt'
make: *** [radiusd] Error 1
It means that I have not  crypt function in some lib. Do you know what should I 
do
to get right it ?
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Re: some dselect questions

1997-12-11 Thread David Z. Maze

Michael Stutz stutz@dsl.org writes:
MS Is it possible to view unstable packages with dselect? The Packages file
MS never seems to be available.

If you're using dftp, tell it to look at hamm/non-free, hamm/contrib,
and hamm/hamm.  (I've found that the order matters a lot, and putting
hamm/hamm first makes other things slower.)  But, before you do that...

MS This leads to a question I have about libraries.

MS Among the dependencies listed was xlib6g and a few other
MS unstable packages that didn't appear in dselect. The idea of
MS replacing the libraries on my main box with unstable libc6, xlib6g
MS and xpm4g scared me, and so I decided not to install it. Would
MS this have broken my system?

hamm is largely built on version 2 of the GNU C library (or version 6
of the Linux C library, your choice).  The upgrade from libc5 to libc6 
is a major one; you should read the mini-HOWTO on the subject before
you do this.

If you are going to be moving over to libc6, follow the instructions
in the HOWTO before putting hamm/* into dselect.  perl breaking kind
of tends to screw up most of the other stuff dpkg does, which is just
not fun for trying to fix things up.

MS Furthermore, are these libs at all close to being moved over to
MS stable?

At some point they will _become_ stable as the Debian 2.0 release.
This is really the only fair way to ask bo users to upgrade to libc6.

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Re: is there a Debian specific published manual

1997-12-11 Thread Brandon Mitchell
http://www.linuxpress.com/001001.htm

Haven't had a chance to read it yet, but I think it's what you are looking
for.

Brandon

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SVGA (X) server stopped working properly.

1997-12-11 Thread Orn E. Hansen
Liran Zvibel writes:
  Hello!
  I accidently ran (the command) X (not startx) and the server showed up
  with no window-manager or anything else (just the dotted gray/white/black
  background and the x shaped cursor) I didn't know how to shut it down so I
  rebooted (since CTRL-ALT-DEL didn't do the job I pressed reset),
  everything works fine BUT X windows.
  
To KILL X Windows, press CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE.

  The resolution is now 640x400, even though I ran XF86Setup and changed the
  screen to 1024x768 non-interlaced, then edited /etc/X11/XF86Config
  manually and added (even though I used XF86Setup it wasn't there) support
  for 1024x768 and 800x600. When I shut it down, I was that the server
  marked (with (**) instead of (--)) resolutions up to 640X400, and wrote
  that it didn't use 800x600 since it is 50 MHz and my clock limit is 40
  MHz, it also wrote that it dropped 1024x768 from the list (didn't say why 
  - I configured it to 80 MHz) My monitor AND graphic card can do much
  better then 40 MHz.
  
  Should I reinsatall xbase and SVGA-Server?
  Can I do something else about it? 
  I'm using Trident 8900CL and no-name (non-interlace) monitor that can do
  30-50 and 30-90 for 1024x768 and 800x600.
  

Even if you re-install xbase, you'll probably end up hand-editing the
config file anyway (I know, I usually have to :-)

Just edit the monitor section in the XF86Config file, and tell it that 
your monitor can use 30-50 Hz horizontal, and 30-90 Hz
vertical. (i.e. HorizontalSync = 30-50, and VertRefresh = 30-90).
Then look at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc, for the Devices and Monitors
file.  There you will find Modelines for you monitor and card, and
tune your Device section to your hearts desire.  Then, ensure that the
chipset is correct for your Generic SVGA device, and that SVGA is
the X server used in /etc/X11/Xserver (i.e. the first line reads
/usr/bin/X11/XF86_SVGA).


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Ignore this (èé)

1997-12-11 Thread Tonetti.doc, R. Tonetti
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Can anyone please post the Debian specific published manual.

1997-12-11 Thread cs51wcs
Hello,
I currently only have e-mail access and am unavailable to download it. Any 
assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks



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compiling autofs under bo

1997-12-11 Thread Ferenc Kiraly
Hi!


I'm trying to recompile the autofs package, from the
hamm distribution, so I can run it on my bo system.  I patched
the sources and ran the 'rules' script and this is what I get
instead of a nice debian package:

Leeloo:~/leeloo/tmp/autofs-0.3.14$ debian/rules 
test -f debian/rules
make
make[1]: Entering directory `/amd/Leeloo/home/students/feri/tmp/autofs-0.3.14'
for i in daemon modules man; do make -C $i all; done 
make[2]: Entering directory 
`/amd/Leeloo/home/students/feri/tmp/autofs-0.3.14/daemon'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/amd/Leeloo/home/students/feri/tmp/autofs-0.3.14/daemon'
make[2]: Entering directory 
`/amd/Leeloo/home/students/feri/tmp/autofs-0.3.14/modules'
gcc -shared -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall -I../include -fpic 
-DAUTOFS_LIB_DIR=\/usr/lib/autofs\ -o lookup_yp.so lookup_yp.c -lnsl
ld: cannot open -lnsl: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** [lookup_yp.so] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/amd/Leeloo/home/students/feri/tmp/autofs-0.3.14/modules'
make[2]: Entering directory 
`/amd/Leeloo/home/students/feri/tmp/autofs-0.3.14/man'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/amd/Leeloo/home/students/feri/tmp/autofs-0.3.14/man'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/amd/Leeloo/home/students/feri/tmp/autofs-0.3.14'
touch build

What is the 'nsl' library and where can I get it??

feri.


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looking for a script to display current location in filesystem

1997-12-11 Thread cs51wcs
Hi,
  I'm currently trying to figure a way to display where I am in the filesystem 
like in dos, but am having  a hard time. Any assistance is appreciated.


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Re: /dev on a ram disk

1997-12-11 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Maybe you're still getting disk accesses because of the update daemon? You
could try killing it to check. (of course, then you have to sync your disk
by hand).

As far as I can tell, the update daemon in the more recent kernels (all
of the 2.0 series, I think) is clever enough to not write out the super
block if there's nothing else to be written to disk.  So update won't
touch the disk unless something's been written (or an atime updated)...

My box has successfully been left idle for hours with the disk spun down.
update was still running, as well as syslogd/klogd, kerneld, inetd, gpm,
apache and probably others.  IIRC atd was running, too.  smail starts the
disk up every 20 minutes to check the local mail queues.  cron starts
the disk up every hour to rescan the crontabs (why that should be, I
don't know).  I rebuilt cron with a max sleep time of a day instead of
an hour, which worked well...  With virtual-dev installed, I can even
leave an idle X session up without keeping the disk spinning.

virtual-dev is still experimental, because, on my machine at least, it
interacts badly with sysvinit, making shutdown hang.  Has anyone else
had this problem?  When virtual-dev goes into unstable, it'll be called
devices-in-ram instead, BTW.  virtual-dev was a supremely bad choice of
name on my part.

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Re: crypt problem

1997-12-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Dec 11, 1997 at 01:54:50PM +0100, Martin Madlik wrote:
 I'm trying to use st. from hamm distribution.
   libc6 and so on I have installed properly but now I have following problem :
 I'm compilling RADIUS 2.0 daemon and here is error message :
 /tmp/cca305401.o: In function `unix_pass':
 /tmp/cca305401.o(.text+0x2159): undefined reference to `crypt'
 make: *** [radiusd] Error 1
 It means that I have not  crypt function in some lib. Do you know what should 
 I do
 to get right it ?

Yes, link with the crypt library, ie -lcrypt. crypt has moved from libc
to it's own library in the libc5 to libc6 upgrade.


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Re: crypt problem

1997-12-11 Thread Scott Ellis
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Martin Madlik wrote:

 I'm trying to use st. from hamm distribution.
   libc6 and so on I have installed properly but now I have following problem :
 I'm compilling RADIUS 2.0 daemon and here is error message :
 /tmp/cca305401.o: In function `unix_pass':
 /tmp/cca305401.o(.text+0x2159): undefined reference to `crypt'
 make: *** [radiusd] Error 1
 It means that I have not  crypt function in some lib. Do you know what should 
 I do
 to get right it ?

-lcrypt

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Re: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem

1997-12-11 Thread dpk
Try the command 'pwd'.

Thanks,
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On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, cs51wcs wrote:

 Hi,
   I'm currently trying to figure a way to display where I am in the 
 filesystem like in dos, but am having  a hard time. Any assistance is 
 appreciated.
 
 
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Re: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem

1997-12-11 Thread Rick Hawkins

err, just pwd should do it

rick



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Re: crypt problem

1997-12-11 Thread Joel Klecker
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Regarding crypt problem of 04:54 AM -0800 1997-12-11, Martin Madlik wrote:
I'm trying to use st. from hamm distribution.
  libc6 and so on I have installed properly but now I have following problem :
I'm compilling RADIUS 2.0 daemon and here is error message :
/tmp/cca305401.o: In function `unix_pass':
/tmp/cca305401.o(.text+0x2159): undefined reference to `crypt'
make: *** [radiusd] Error 1

You need to link against libcrypt, add -lcrypt to the LIBS or CFLAGS of the
Makefile.

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Re: /dev on a ram disk

1997-12-11 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Maybe you're still getting disk accesses because of the update daemon? You
could try killing it to check. (of course, then you have to sync your disk
by hand).

As far as I can tell, the update daemon in the more recent kernels (all
of the 2.0 series, I think) is clever enough to not write out the super
block if there's nothing else to be written to disk.  So update won't
touch the disk unless something's been written (or an atime updated)...

My box has successfully been left idle for hours with the disk spun down.
update was still running, as well as syslogd/klogd, kerneld, inetd, gpm,
apache and probably others.  IIRC atd was running, too.  smail starts the
disk up every 20 minutes to check the local mail queues.  cron starts
the disk up every hour to rescan the crontabs (why that should be, I
don't know).  I rebuilt cron with a max sleep time of a day instead of
an hour, which worked well...  With virtual-dev installed, I can even
leave an idle X session up without keeping the disk spinning.

virtual-dev is still experimental, because, on my machine at least, it
interacts badly with sysvinit, making shutdown hang.  Has anyone else
had this problem?  When virtual-dev goes into unstable, it'll be called
devices-in-ram instead, BTW.  virtual-dev was a supremely bad choice of
name on my part.

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Re: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem

1997-12-11 Thread Peter Iannarelli

-Original Message-
From: cs51wcs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 9:53 AM
Subject: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem


Hi,
  I'm currently trying to figure a way to display where I am in the
filesystem like in dos, but am having  a hard time. Any assistance is
appreciated.

I am not 100% certain what you what but
To determine your current or present working directory enter -- pwd CR

To include your current working directory as part of your command line
prompt, I place the following in by .bash_profile,

BOLD() { tput smso ; }
BLINK() { tput blink ; }
OFF() { tput sgr0 ; }

NODENAME=`tput smso``tput blink`[`hostname`]`tput sgr0`
PS1='${NODENAME}${PWD}'
PS2='${PWD}'

Therefore everytime I change directories by prompt changes accordingly.


Peter




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Re: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem

1997-12-11 Thread Rick Macdonald
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, cs51wcs wrote:

 Hi,
   I'm currently trying to figure a way to display where I am in the 
 filesystem like in dos, but am having  a hard time. Any assistance is 
 appreciated.

Do you mean the prompt? Try something like this for the bash shell:

 export PS1='\h:\w$ '

...RickM...



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Re: Help with using a remote xserver

1997-12-11 Thread Oliver Elphick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:...I run X11 on the linux machine, and because the
  monitor on the mac is so much nicer, I like to use a X server on it.
  There is a free xserver for the mac called MI/X.  Worked fairly well
  before I migrated to debian, but now when I try to start a client on that
  display I get the following errors:
  
   whitehouse$ xterm -display powermac:0.0 
   _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
   _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
   _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
   _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
   _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
   _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111
   Error: Can't open display: powermac:0.0

Error 111 is `Connection refused'.  You have to tell your X server to allow 
your Debian machine to connect to it. If you have no concerns about security
(with respect to other people getting access to your X server) you can
run `xhost +' on it, which will allow any client to have access to it.

If you have security concerns, transport the .Xauthority file from the Mac
to the Debian machine and run `xauth merge Mac_Xauthority'.

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Re: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem

1997-12-11 Thread Brian K Servis
Rick Macdonald writes:

On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, cs51wcs wrote:

 Hi,
   I'm currently trying to figure a way to display where I am in the 
 filesystem like in dos, but am having  a hard time. Any assistance is 
 appreciated.

Do you mean the prompt? Try something like this for the bash shell:

 export PS1='\h:\w$ '


Or for tcsh:

   set prompt='%/: '

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changing gids

1997-12-11 Thread Ferenc Kiraly
Hi!

I am considering exchanging GIDs for groups mail and disk
on some Debian systems. I would need this to be able to mount
a remote /var/mail directory from a HP-UX system and use the same 
mailboxes on the Debian system. Would there be any unwanted
side effects? Is there another way of doing this? Thanks.

feri.


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Cyrix MediaGX system + Debian ???

1997-12-11 Thread Oleg Krivosheev


Hi, All

there are new wave of cheap
i86 systems based on Cyrix
MediaGX chip with integrated
video and sound (and Ethernet in the future).

The price makes it quite attractive as 
X terminal and such.

Is such system Debian Compatible?

What about video? It's UMA
system - it takes 2M out
of system memory but still
14M left and it's quite
enough for kernel and
X server.


Any ideas/thoughts are
greatly appreciated

regards

OK


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Re: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem

1997-12-11 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, cs51wcs wrote:

 Hi,
   I'm currently trying to figure a way to display where I am in the
 filesystem like in dos, but am having a hard time. Any assistance is
 appreciated. 

To display the current directory with a command:

$ pwd

To have the current directory in the prompt (I think this is what you
mean) (this only applies if bash is your shell):

$ PS1='[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\w]\$ '
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]$

See the `PROMPTING' section of the `bash' manual page for other things you
can include in the prompt.

Remco


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Re: Partitioning

1997-12-11 Thread Mike
get me off this list

Gertjan Klein wrote:

 Bill Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Gertjan Klein wrote:

   Obviously
   these are judgement calls and opinions but when the original hard disk code
   was written decisions were made concerning such things as sizes for device
   storage parameters.  While what you have said about the cost of 10Meg HDs
   and the like is true, that fact did not seem to influence others in such a
   limiting way about how to deal with the matter.  More importantly, I
   think, is that it has taken many years to finally to address this issue.

   The original harddisk code was written for (relatively) cheap
 hardware.  SCSI harddisks, using block addressing, were of course
 around, but much more expensive.  Nevertheless, even though the
 partition table entries specify the location of partitions in cylinder,
 head, and sector parameters, they _also_ specify them in logical block
 numbers.  Using these numbers a harddisk of 2 TB (2048 GB) can be
 described.  Note, again, that the partition table layout has nothing to
 do with the BIOS.  The BIOS provided an interface for cheap hardware; if
 demand would have been higher for better quality hardware, like built-in
 support for SCSI drives, it would have been there.  Nothing in the PC
 design prevents this - in fact, my BIOS directly supports (NCR) SCSI
 controllers.  On top of that, the PC design allows for _really_ non
 standard (for PC's, anyway) hardware to have it's own BIOS to take over
 the standard BIOS calls.

   I'm not exactly sure what you think is the nightmare part of the
   original design (and frankly, I don't care).  There are a ...

   And if you don't care then we are probably both wasting our time.

   No - because I am not trying to change your _opinion_ on PC hardware,
 I am just trying to stop you from spreading misinformation about it.  I
 realize very well that a lot of compromises have been made with PC
 design over the years, there is enough to complain about - so if you
 want to do that, go ahead, but get your facts straight.

   * There is a limited number of primary partitions available in the MBR.
   This limitation is no serious problem, as many modern OSes don't object
   to being installed in an extended partition (of which there can be as
   many as required).

   Yes, many often incompatible workarounds exist.

   What do you mean with incompatible workarounds?  What's incompatible
 about booting from an extended partition?

   No there is nothing brain dead about partitioning a drive and I see no way
   that anyone could conclude from anything that I have said that I think
   otherwise.  It is the arbitrary decision to create the tiered partition
   types (primary, extended, and logical) abstraction that I object to.

   Since the partition table resides in the MBR, with limited space,
 _some_ limit had to be set to the number of entries in the table.  Four,
 at the time, was a reasonable limit.  When the limit became - well,
 limiting, MS introduced extended partitions - which is nothing other
 than a way to arbitrarily expand the partition table.  It seems like a
 reasonable solution to me.

   These modern BIOSes have finally caught up with BIOSes of more than
   twenty years ago.  Are you suggesting that had different decisions
   concerning how to deal compatibly with the various limitation that were
   arbitrarily built into the original design had been handled differently
   that the PC would not be as popular or have such a favorable
   performance/price ratio as it currently has?

   Yes.  (I don't want to get into this, though, because there is no way
 to prove one way or the other).

   I have lost it.  In as much as I really do not wish to mislead anyone
   then by misinformation are you talking about my assertions with respect
   to the BIOS design (and indeed design evolution) upon the overall
   filesystem design, or rather my (admitted) failure to even mention that
   there are new BIOS designs that do not themselves impose this scheme, or
   both?

   Your misinformation was that:

  - BIOS imposes the current partitioning scheme opon us, and limits the
 number of primary partitions to four (not true - BIOS knows nothing
 about partitions and doesn't care either).

  - DOS, Windows and OS/2 don't see other primary partitions than the one
 they booted from (not true - DOS and Windows see other primary DOS
 partitions just fine, and OS/2 won't even boot when they are present and
 not hidden).

  - fdisk /mbr will wipe out everything on the drive (wrong - it just
 replaces (or installs) the MBR software without touching the partition
 table).

  - (A point I hadn't addressed yet:) loadlin uses BIOS calls for drive
 access (wrong - it uses DOS calls, which can, but don't have to,
 translate into BIOS calls).

   You _still_ don't seem to get that partitioning and BIOS have nothing
 to do with each other, and that the BIOS is simply just a piece of
 software - 

Re: XDM seem to hang until I reboot. (followup)

1997-12-11 Thread Jay Barbee
Hello all,

I wanted to post a followup:

The day I posted this information, I had already ran dselect and 
removed the version of 'xbase' and all its dependencies (xserver, 
xfnts, fvwm-common, etc) that I had installed via ftp.debian.org.

After that, I went back and installed the versions I had on my Debian 
1.3.1 MasterCD.  Since then, I have remained logged in for the past 2 
days without a lockup.  I keep trying to kill the server or lockup 
XDM, by runing all the programs that I did before.  The only thing 
that I have not done, is log-out and log-in several times.  I have 
kept the same window manager, Afterstep.

Hopefully these old packages solved my porblem, but I hate to think 
it might be a bug in the new Debian X packages.

...I will let you know if I find out differently!

--Jay Barbee

---Original Message---
 Hello all,
 
 I am running a Debian 1.3.1 install with the basics for X.  I use xdm 
 to login via WinNT/Exceed v5.  I have used dftp up update all the X 
 based stuff from ftp.debian.org and I use afterstep as my window 
 manager.
 
 What I am having problems with is a lockup or hangup from XDM.  If I 
 am running a X session, it is possible to hangup, and I cannot seem 
 to run anything.  I cannot click on an XTERM button, or even run 
 xterm if I have a free window up.  When I do run a new 'xterm ' from 
 an available window, after a certain time it tells me it cannot write 
 to the display.
 
 If I hit the Restart Window Manager, nothing gets returned, but I 
 can still type in the xterm that are already open; xload, xmem 
 seem to update and working okay even in this state.  But nothing new 
 can be opened.
 
 After all this, if I kill the Exceed session, and reopen.  I see my 
 Linux box in the chooser (with correct load), I select the server, 
 but then it sits there.  No login screen will ever be returned.
 
 I have killed XDM and restarted it.  I killed inetd and restarted it. 
 but I cannot get any response out of XDM until I totally reboot the 
 server.  Once it has rebooted, all is working again.  I do not run X 
 on the console (Diamond Speedstar grin) so I am not sure if this is 
 a problem with an Xserver (I use the default server (VGA or SVGA 
 whatever it is)).
 
 Any ideas?  Any thoughts?  I have since gone back and reinstalled 
 some of the old DEB packages (xbase, fvwm-common, xserver, xfont) 
 from the Master CD v1.3.1, but have not had much time to test it.  
 It happends randomly.  It also happends to a friend of mine with a 
 similar config.
 
 Thanks for your help,
 --Jay Barbee
 
 
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Re: NFS Permissions

1997-12-11 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Matthew Tebbens wrote:
 
 I would like to mount one of my servers and have that server
 allow access from the requesting uid/gid just as if it were
 local possible ?
 If so, how would I specify that in /etc/exports ?
 
 (As root on the remote system, I would like access to root files
  on the server via NFS, same with other user ids)

This is just how NFS works. The exception is the root user. 
NFS exports don't allow root access unless you add a
the option no_root_squash. All this information is found in
the exports man page. Need I say it?

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Re: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem

1997-12-11 Thread David Z. Maze

cs51wcs  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
c I'm currently trying to figure a way to display where I am in the
c filesystem like in dos, but am having a hard time. Any assistance
c is appreciated.

Like 'pwd'?  If not, why not?

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Re: looking for a script to display current location in filesystem

1997-12-11 Thread Shaleh
Or do you mean you want a prompt that displays where you ar elike dos's
prompt does.  Each shell can do this.  Read the man page for the escape
sequence.  In bash use '\w' in your prompt.

cs51wcs  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I'm currently trying to figure a way to display where I am in the
 filesystem like in dos, but am having a hard time. Any assistance
 is appreciated.


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/proc directory

1997-12-11 Thread Kevin Traas
Can anyone point me to docs/info on the /proc directory.  Specifically,
I'm looking at content format, field descriptions, etc.

Thanks,
Kevin


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Re: Cyrix MediaGX system + Debian ???

1997-12-11 Thread mike
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Oleg Krivosheev wrote:

 Hi, All
 
 there are new wave of cheap
 i86 systems based on Cyrix
 MediaGX chip with integrated
 video and sound (and Ethernet in the future).
 
 The price makes it quite attractive as 
 X terminal and such.
I had this same thought, so at work we picked up 2 of 'em.  The
VGA server worked fine, but other than that we didn't have much luck.
Our main interest was the built-in TV/RF out on the back, but
unfortuanatly it's crap with X.  So I gave up and turned them into
ip_masq/diald boxes for some of our customers.  For this they work
geat!

 
 Is such system Debian Compatible?
100% haven't had a problem yet.

 What about video? It's UMA
 system - it takes 2M out
 of system memory but still
 14M left and it's quite
 enough for kernel and
 X server.
If you get 'em to run X decently, please tell me :  I just didn't
have time or desire to put the effort in.
 
good luck,
mike

Micro$oft, what do you want to spend today?


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Re: /proc directory

1997-12-11 Thread robert havoc pennington

Hi,

  man 5 proc lists most of the entries, though it's a little out of date.
  Surely there's a more thorough description somewhere, perhaps in the
kernel source?

HTH,
 Havoc Pennington

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Kevin Traas wrote:

 Can anyone point me to docs/info on the /proc directory.  Specifically,
 I'm looking at content format, field descriptions, etc.
 
 Thanks,
 Kevin
 


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Re: NFS Permissions

1997-12-11 Thread Matthew Tebbens

I was using root at first. After checking with other users I did
notice that only root was not allowed. Now by adding no_root_squash
everything works fine !
Thanks.


On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:

 Matthew Tebbens wrote:
  
  I would like to mount one of my servers and have that server
  allow access from the requesting uid/gid just as if it were
  local possible ?
  If so, how would I specify that in /etc/exports ?
  
  (As root on the remote system, I would like access to root files
   on the server via NFS, same with other user ids)
 
 This is just how NFS works. The exception is the root user. 
 NFS exports don't allow root access unless you add a
 the option no_root_squash. All this information is found in
 the exports man page. Need I say it?
 
 -- 
 Jens B. Jorgensen
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Re: Can anyone please post the Debian specific published manual.

1997-12-11 Thread David Stern
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:35:10 +0300, cs51wcs wrote:
 Hello,
 I currently only have e-mail access and am unavailable to download it. Any as
 sistance would be appreciated.
 Thanks

It's too big to post to the list (365KB), and it's written in html, and 
redistribution requires permission by the publisher, Linux Press--it's 
available in a printed form (256 pages) with the Debian cdrom set, a 
custom debian cdrom, and 30 days email tech support for $37.95. I'd 
call it an installation and configuration guide.

Can you have someone mail it to you as an attachment, then save it? I 
tried saving it as text to see if that would reduce the size much, but 
it's still 305KB.  If you'd like, I'll send it to you, let me know if 
you want html or text.  I got a non-delivery to all recipients reply 
on my last Cc: to you, so if you didn't get a Cc: from me on this, 
you'll have to tell me how to get through.

Some good news for you: I found that program that allows you to receive 
ftp service via e-mail, it's called ftpmail. The way you use it is 
described by sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word 
help in the body of the message.  ftpmail will allow you to receive 
all file types, even binary files (uuencoded), and you can find the 
files you want to retrieve by requesting the output of ls in an 
ftpsite. Presumably there are examples in the help file, I haven't 
received a reply yet.  I used to know someone who said this was a 
pretty good program, for those without an isp.

-- 
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StarOffice 4.0 for Linux Beta Install Guide  
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~kotsya/



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[Q] libICE

1997-12-11 Thread Pedro Quaresma de Almeida
Hi

When I use dpkg I am getting the message

/sbin/ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so

what is the package that provides libICE.so?

thank you.


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Universidade de Coimbra
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off-topic

1997-12-11 Thread Lawrence
Anyone know where to get a VGA HD15/4-BNC cable?  I want to connect my
monitor's 4-BNC connectors to my PC video card.

Lawrence


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Re: COMMERCIAL: Arkeia v4.0r6 - network backup software (fwd)

1997-12-11 Thread Jeff Noxon
I tried the demo and liked it.  It worked well, but installation on
Win95 could be better.  I could not get the GUI to install at all on 95.
But it was awesome running a Win95 backup from the Linux machine.
Totally transparent to the Windoze user.  Restores too.  I used an
Exabyte 8200 8mm drive.

Since I have two machines and one tape drive, I am thinking about
purchasing a copy for home use.

On Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 11:58:02AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
   I saw this in c.o.l.a. and didn't see this mentioned on
 debian-user or the webpage.  Did I miss this or is this news to everyone
 else?  Either way if it's not bulls*$t then it's pretty cool.
 
 Micro$oft, what do you want to spend today?
 
 -- Forwarded message --
 Date: Fri,  5 Dec 1997 09:16:38 GMT
 From: Knox Software [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce
 Subject: COMMERCIAL: Arkeia v4.0r6 - network backup software
 Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:30:46 -0800 (PST)
 Resent-From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Resent-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 
 
 Knox Software announces the release of Arkeia v4.0r6 for Linux.
 
 Arkeia network backup software, by Knox Software, 
 is now available as shareware for Linux home users.  
 A fully functional copy of Arkeia is available for download at 
 http://www.knox-software.com or ftp://ftp.knox-software.com.  
 Suggested contribution is $25.00 US dollars.  
 25% of each contribution over $20.00 will be donated to Software in the
 public interest.  
 This is the parent organization of the Debian Linux distribution.
 
 Knox Software is also making Arkeia available at an entry-level price of 
 $199.00 for small work group settings.  
 This package lets you interactively backup any mix of 5 Linux and
 Windows 95 
 client machines to a Linux based backup server.  
 See www.knox-software.com for download instructions.
 
 
 BURLINGAME, Calif. (November 24, 1997) - Knox Software today announced 
 Arkeia for Linux, v4.0r6, network backup software.  
 This software enables system administrators to implement a fast, easy,
 reliable
 and economical backup solution for Linux powered networks.
 
 By leveraging 10 years of large scale UNIX backup expertise, 
 Knox Software is making it possible for Linux system administrators 
 to provide the type robust network backup solution previously available 
 only in large UNIX shops, said Sam Siegel, general manager of Knox
 Software USA.
 With Arkeia v4.0r6, we are providing a high-performance network backup
 solution 
 for both large and small Linux environments such as ISPs, 
 Web development, workgroups, and home users.
 
 The system, originally developed for the Sun, HP, and AIX environments, 
 and now ported to Linux, is designed for centralized operations with
 remote control.  
 Each backup server can be accessed from any client that has the user
 interface loaded.  
 This password-controlled access lets the system administrator manage the
 backup 
 server from any machine on the network.  
 The administrator can even dial-in from a remote location, to perform
 backup, 
 and restore operations. Only control information is communicated to the
 client machine.  
 There is no X traffic over the network when the remote machine is an X
 server.
 A Java based user interface is provided for Windows NT and Windows 95
 clients.
 
 Arkeia v4.0 for Linux features:
 
 Backup server:
 O Backup as many as 200 clients at a time.
 O Manage multiple tape drives simultaneously.
 O Perform backup and restore operations simultaneously.
 O Maintain an online catalog of backups.
 Catalog size is typically less than 1% of the amount of data
 backed up.
 O Provide policy based security mechanism.
 O Drive autostackers, libraries and robotics.
 O Maintain an online catalog of tape pools.
 O Does not require root login when doing backup or restore
 operations.
 O Monitor tape drive, library and TCP/IP for errors and initiate
 recovery.
 O Monitor client connections; retry backup from point of failure 
 if client goes offline and comes back online.
 O Maintains log files.
 O License management.
 
 Graphical interface:
 O X11 interface for Linux systems.
 O Java interfaces for Windows 95 and Windows NT clients.
 O Configure Tape drive, Drive pool and library definitions.
 O Configure Tape, and Tape pool definitions.
 O Configure Savepacks (a savepack defines machines and directories
 to backup)
 O Configure periodic backup schedule.
 O Initiate interactive backup.
 O ID and password management.
 O Initiate interactive restores.
 O Browse catalog of backups.
 O Browse log files.
 O Login to local or remote backup server.
 O Interactively monitors backup and restore operations.
 O User customizable color and background settings.
 
 Client:
 O Compress files during backup. (At user 

xdm....HELP!!!!!!???????

1997-12-11 Thread Brian V Bonini
Hello,
Ok I checked the FAQ but there is no info on this potentially really dumb
question.
When I installed the server I chose to have xdm start at boot up. This works
great
noprob there. But I messed up. I started to set up the .xsession file and
instead of doing this for my user account until I got it right for some
reason I did it for my root account.
So now I have an .xsession file in /root that is not written correctly it
times out and just keeps returning me to the login screen. With my user
account I do not have the correct permissions to change anything related to
this so it does me no good.
What I need to do is somehow stop xdm at boot up (I'm booting Linux from a
floppy)   so I can get access to the console as root and delete the
.xsession file that resides in /root. Please HELP
Thanks
-Brian, ([EMAIL PROTECTED])




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staroffice libc5

1997-12-11 Thread Rick Hawkins

When I try to run the setup for StarOffice, I get a 

eyryttyp4:hawk/usr/lib/StarOffice-3.1/setup 
StarOffice3.1 Installation Tool
Segmentation fault

Today I saw a posting in a nesgroup claiming that a minimum of libc5-5.4.38 is 
necessary.  Debian seems to stop at .33.

However, there's enough traffic here about it that it must somehow be 
possible.  could someone give me a hint?

rick



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Question on Sony CD-Player

1997-12-11 Thread Mike Patterson

Stange, Strange question that I'm curious if anyone out there knows the answer
to...

I have a Sony CDP-CX151 100 disc CD changer. Although a wonderful product, 
it lacks any really fine control over the selections.

In the back of this device there are what looks like two 1/8 inch female 
ports labeled Controller A. I was wondering if anyone had any luck making 
a device that would plug into these ports and a PC and allow the PC to 
control the CD-Player. 

Any ideas, or am I even understanding the idea behind these ports? 

All help appreciated,
Mike


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Re: off-topic

1997-12-11 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Lawrence wrote:
 
 Anyone know where to get a VGA HD15/4-BNC cable?  I want to connect my
 monitor's 4-BNC connectors to my PC video card.
 

I'm guessing you're trying to use an old workstation monitor (Sun,
HP, etc.). Beware that *some* of these monitors require special
signaling or syncing. This doesn't mean you can't do it. There's
lot of info on the web about doing this. Do a couple searches. 
You might start here:

  http://cvs.anu.edu.au/monitorconversion/

As to the cable, I'm not sure where, but I remember seeing somewhere
a vendor which sells them. I guess I didn't save the link. However,
as I mentioned above, due to different sync requirements of many
workstation monitors, the cable is more than just a cable also take
a look at this page:

  http://www.devo.com/video/misc.html


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Re: xdm....HELP!!!!!!???????

1997-12-11 Thread Alan Su
Brian V Bonini wrote (Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:28:59 -0500 ):
|What I need to do is somehow stop xdm at boot up (I'm booting Linux from a
|floppy)   so I can get access to the console as root and delete the
|.xsession file that resides in /root. Please HELP
|Thanks
|-Brian, ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
|

Why don't you just log in with your user account and su to or even
login as root?  You can also wait for the X server to start up and
then hit Ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console...

If there's some reason why you don't want to do this, you can try to
boot into single user mode.  This would probably require you to have
LILO installed on your floppy.  If you do, at the LILO prompt, hit
Shift, and a boot: prompt should appear.  type the image name you want
to boot (probably linux, hit tab to get a list), followed by -single.
So, the whole boot line will look something like:
 LILO boot: linux -single
Once in single user mode, just go to /root and make the fix.

Alternatively, if you still have the Debian rescue/install disk, stick
that in there, and boot.  Once the install starts, you can use alt-f2
to switch to the virtual console which runs ash (a striped down
shell).  From there, mount the appropriate file system in /mnt or
something and modify the file.  Then remove the install/rescue disk,
stick in your own, and you should be fine.

-alan


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Re: [Q] libICE

1997-12-11 Thread Paul
hi, there are 2 package where this file is. The package is xlib6-dev the
other file you may need is xlib6.
Paul
ps if you want to find what package a file belongs to get the Contents
file from debian.


On 11 Dec 1997, Pedro Quaresma de Almeida wrote:

 Hi
 
 When I use dpkg I am getting the message
 
 /sbin/ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so
 
 what is the package that provides libICE.so?
 
 thank you.
 
 
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 Departamento de Matem\'atica
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 Universidade de Coimbra
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Re: off-topic BNC vga cable

1997-12-11 Thread tony mollica
I saw these cables at a computer show.  

The vendor and description of the part is:

SVGA Monitor Cable
6' S-VGA to 5 BNC use between VGA and hogh grade monitor 
connects VGA output to a variety of high-resolution monitors
fully braided and shielded
5 BNC's cover all color and sync transmissions
male to male

#CC-VGA5BNC   $12.00

Roger's Systems Specialists
24895 Avenue Rockefeller
Valencia, California  91355
http://www.RogersSystems.com
800-366-0579

I've bought stuff from this company and while their products are
useable and I've never had a problem with any, they are not the 
top-of-the-line items.

tony mollica
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raid0

1997-12-11 Thread dpk
I just compiled a 2.0.32 kernel with raid/linear support because I would
like to strip 2 - 2 GB partitions.  I downloaded md035.tar.gz from
ftp://linux.nrao.edu/pub/linux/packages/MD-driver/, however I could
not get it to compile.  Here is the tail of my errors.

In file included from /usr/include/linux/sem.h:3,
 from /usr/include/linux/sched.h:27,
 from /usr/include/linux/mm.h:4,
 from /usr/include/linux/md.h:23,
 from mdadd.c:26:
/usr/include/linux/ipc.h:5: warning: redefinition of `key_t'
/usr/include/sys/types.h:63: warning: `key_t' previously declared here
In file included from /usr/include/linux/sched.h:75,
 from /usr/include/linux/mm.h:4,
 from /usr/include/linux/md.h:23,
 from mdadd.c:26:
/usr/include/linux/time.h:6: redefinition of `struct timespec'
make: *** [mdadd.o] Error 1

/usr/include/linux points to /usr/src/linux/include/linux as I have always
done when I compile a new kernel, and I haven't had problems before.
Am I using the latest version of md? or do I even need it to do what
I want?  I did not find a debian package for it either.  The documentation
I have found so far is confusing, so please excuse me if I sound like
a fruit cake.  Any pointers to useful documentation would be helpful also.

Thanks,
Dennis
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IP Aliasing

1997-12-11 Thread sclarke
Hello,

Our upstream provider is forcing us to change our Class C.  Now, we need
to run two blocks parallel for awhile.  We're running Debian Linux
(2.0.32)  and I was wondering how to set up an IP address alias.  i.e. we
want our eth0 card to have two different addresses.  Any pointers on how
to do this?

Thanks in advance, 

Steve
AracNet


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Re: staroffice libc5

1997-12-11 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Rick Hawkins wrote:

 
 When I try to run the setup for StarOffice, I get a 
 
 eyryttyp4:hawk/usr/lib/StarOffice-3.1/setup 
 StarOffice3.1 Installation Tool
 Segmentation fault
 
 Today I saw a posting in a nesgroup claiming that a minimum of libc5-5.4.38 
 is 
 necessary.  Debian seems to stop at .33.

I think the requirement is : 5.4.4.  In anycase, it works fine for me with
5.4.33.

Bob


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Re: staroffice libc5

1997-12-11 Thread Mike
take me off this list!

Bob Nielsen wrote:

 On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Rick Hawkins wrote:

 
  When I try to run the setup for StarOffice, I get a
 
  eyryttyp4:hawk/usr/lib/StarOffice-3.1/setup
  StarOffice3.1 Installation Tool
  Segmentation fault
 
  Today I saw a posting in a nesgroup claiming that a minimum of libc5-5.4.38 
  is
  necessary.  Debian seems to stop at .33.

 I think the requirement is : 5.4.4.  In anycase, it works fine for me with
 5.4.33.

 Bob

 
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Re: staroffice libc5

1997-12-11 Thread Mike
take me off this list!

Bob Nielsen wrote:

 On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Rick Hawkins wrote:

 
  When I try to run the setup for StarOffice, I get a
 
  eyryttyp4:hawk/usr/lib/StarOffice-3.1/setup
  StarOffice3.1 Installation Tool
  Segmentation fault
 
  Today I saw a posting in a nesgroup claiming that a minimum of libc5-5.4.38 
  is
  necessary.  Debian seems to stop at .33.

 I think the requirement is : 5.4.4.  In anycase, it works fine for me with
 5.4.33.

 Bob

 
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Re: staroffice libc5

1997-12-11 Thread Rick Hawkins

Bob Nielsen wrote,

 I think the requirement is : 5.4.4.  In anycase, it works fine for me with
 5.4.33.

The next magic question, is are you using hamm or bo, and should it make a 
difference?

rick





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Re: raid0

1997-12-11 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, dpk wrote:

Try package mdutils, in section admin.  Works for me on hamm, I've also
used the bo version without trouble.

HTH

: I just compiled a 2.0.32 kernel with raid/linear support because I would
: like to strip 2 - 2 GB partitions.  I downloaded md035.tar.gz from
: ftp://linux.nrao.edu/pub/linux/packages/MD-driver/, however I could
: not get it to compile.  Here is the tail of my errors.
: 
: In file included from /usr/include/linux/sem.h:3,
:  from /usr/include/linux/sched.h:27,
:  from /usr/include/linux/mm.h:4,
:  from /usr/include/linux/md.h:23,
:  from mdadd.c:26:
: /usr/include/linux/ipc.h:5: warning: redefinition of `key_t'
: /usr/include/sys/types.h:63: warning: `key_t' previously declared here
: In file included from /usr/include/linux/sched.h:75,
:  from /usr/include/linux/mm.h:4,
:  from /usr/include/linux/md.h:23,
:  from mdadd.c:26:
: /usr/include/linux/time.h:6: redefinition of `struct timespec'
: make: *** [mdadd.o] Error 1
: 
: /usr/include/linux points to /usr/src/linux/include/linux as I have always
: done when I compile a new kernel, and I haven't had problems before.
: Am I using the latest version of md? or do I even need it to do what
: I want?  I did not find a debian package for it either.  The documentation
: I have found so far is confusing, so please excuse me if I sound like
: a fruit cake.  Any pointers to useful documentation would be helpful also.
: 
: Thanks,
: Dennis
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Re: raid0

1997-12-11 Thread Ben Pfaff
   I just compiled a 2.0.32 kernel with raid/linear support because I would
   like to strip 2 - 2 GB partitions.  I downloaded md035.tar.gz from
   ftp://linux.nrao.edu/pub/linux/packages/MD-driver/, however I could
   not get it to compile.  Here is the tail of my errors.

Although you mention symlinking /usr/include/linux to
/usr/src/linux/include/linux, you might have forgotten to symlink
/usr/include/asm to /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386.

Besides that, you might want to note that if you just want to do
raid0, then you don't need this driver.  I'm quite happily running
raid0 across 3 4.3 GB UW SCSI drives with just the driver included in
the stock 2.0.32 kernel, on my personal box.


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Re: Debian Linux and Cirrus

1997-12-11 Thread Alex Yukhimets
   I would like to know if the Debian Linux Distribution support the Cirrus
   5446 Chipset ?
  In short: YES.
 
 Thanks a lot for such a quick answer. I have another question...
 I have got a CDD2600 CD Recorder and a Pioneer 12x SCSI CDROM on an Adaptec
 1505. Could I have any problem to use them on the Debian distribution ? I
 promise that it is my last question :-)

Is CD-recorder also SCSI? If yes, then there is only a question
whether SCSI host adapter is supported. Adaptec is generally not the
best choice for Linux, but this particular card seems to be supprted
for already some time and I would not expect a problem with it.

Refer to SCSI-HOWTO for more information.


Alex Y.

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Re: IP Aliasing

1997-12-11 Thread sclarke
As a further note, we are using SCO and an older version of Slackware.  On
the Slackware machine, we compiled in a patch so that the command
'ifconfig net0 alias x.x.x.x' works.  It works by default in SCO 5.  I was
hoping there's a way to do it on the linux box without patching anything.

Thanks again,

Steve
AracNet

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Our upstream provider is forcing us to change our Class C.  Now, we need
 to run two blocks parallel for awhile.  We're running Debian Linux
 (2.0.32)  and I was wondering how to set up an IP address alias.  i.e. we
 want our eth0 card to have two different addresses.  Any pointers on how
 to do this?
 
 Thanks in advance, 
 
 Steve
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Re: How to get slrn colored in xterm ?

1997-12-11 Thread Peter Prohaska
First of all, the COLORTERM entry did exactly what I was looking for.

But why not adding something like that by default.
Since it works for all slang programs I think it should get into a
.deb-file.
 Its more easy to put a `#'-sign in front of some lines than searching for
the correct variable settings in the manuals.  Most users probably would
like colors by default, or could that lead into trouble with monochrome
displays?


On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Joey Hess wrote:
 dpk wrote:
  Add the following line to your ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources, depending
  on which one you use:
  
  xterm*customization:-color
  
  You may also choose to add it to /etc/X11/Xresources, to make it a
  system-wide default.
 
 Actually, though that will enable color for everything else, it will not
 help slrn or other slang-based programs. For those, you have to either use
 the command line option they have that enables color (for slrn, -C), or you
 need to set the COLORTERM environment variable. Here is an example of how I
 set the latter in my /etc/zshrc:
 
 # Set COLORTERM for s-lang programs if this is a color terminal
 if [[ $TERM = xterm ]] || [[ $TERM = linux ]]; then
   export COLORTERM=y
 fi
 
 For bash, you'd want something like this: (untested)
 
 # Set COLORTERM for s-lang programs if this is a color terminal
 if [ $TERM = xterm -o $TERM = linux ]; then
   COLORTERM=y
   export COLORTERM
 fi
 
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Re: Are 120 MB diskspace enough?

1997-12-11 Thread Peter Prohaska
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Thomas Apel wrote:

 Hi all!
 
 I'm going to set up a server for some network-experiments. The machine
 shall run a mail and database-server and perhaps a web-server.
 
 For the possible hardware I'm offered a 486 DX2/66, 16 MB RAM, 120 MB
 HDD. Now the question is: Are 120 MB disk-space sufficient? I have my
 doubts about this. But as this will be my first linux-machine I'm not
 sure.
 
 Again, it will only be used for above mentioned purposes. No GUI or any
 other apps like StarOffice or Netscape are required. The served network
 are only two other machines. And I expect the stored data to be less
 than 20 MB.
 
 What size are the needed components?
 
 I hope someone can help me with his opinion!
 
 Thanks,
 Thomas

hi,

I will do exactly the same thing next week, but I got 4 MB additional RAM
:)

The only `problem` is, that the machine has neighter monitor nor
keybord connected. There is only a LAN ( ne2000 ) connect.

Is it possible to get it up without carrying things around?

cu,
  peter.


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CAT 5

1997-12-11 Thread m*
should CAT 5 cable testers be considered a necessity when installing
fast ethernet cables?

thx,

m*


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Re: staroffice libc5

1997-12-11 Thread Alan Su
This is odd...the level of civility on this list is astounding.  On
any other list I've been on, if someone were to write this, they would
immediately be ``punished''.  this is almost disconcerting...=)

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Re: CAT 5

1997-12-11 Thread Kevin Traas
should CAT 5 cable testers be considered a necessity when installing
fast ethernet cables?

???!!!

That's like asking should I make sure the guy who cuts my hair passed the
course?  i.e. does it really matter?   Guess it depends on the haircut
you want  ;-)

My opinion, though...  Try the cable at 100Mbps - if it works... its
certified

Using a decent cable tester, you can get a few dozen pages of stats on
various cable properties; however, I've never found it all too useful - if
I'm installing the cable myself.  If I'm paying someone to install the
cable for me, I usually try to get the stats as part of a guarantee

Later,
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Re: CAT 5

1997-12-11 Thread Lawrence
If the cable is CAT5 certified, you don't need a cable testers
installing a fast ethernet cables, though it won't harm if you have a
tester handy.

m* wrote:
 
 should CAT 5 cable testers be considered a necessity when installing
 fast ethernet cables?


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Re: CAT 5

1997-12-11 Thread bruce
The most common mistake is that pairs are reversed when punched down on
the connector. If you can get past that, you can probably find bad cable
using your computer

Isn't it funny how so few of these cables are shielded?
Shielded cables, grounded only at one end (to prevent ground loops),
would be much better about static, atmospheric noise, radio pickup,
and induced currents from near lightning strikes.  I did up my home
and office that way to keep the interference from the network out of
my ham radio. It works the other way, too.

Bruce


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Re: Help with using a remote xserver

1997-12-11 Thread Martin Bialasinski
On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Ronald L. Zerbe Jr. wrote:

 uncompressed the file? Anyhelp? tired of this win95 Xserver that only gives
 u 30 minute connections.
 
You should try the xserver from frontiertech called superx. The best thing
I found from win32 machines. Usually also the first programm I install
when I have to work at one :-)

Do a ftpsearch on superx.exe

Ciao,
Martin


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Re: IP Aliasing

1997-12-11 Thread Martin Bialasinski
On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Our upstream provider is forcing us to change our Class C.  Now, we need
 to run two blocks parallel for awhile.  We're running Debian Linux
 (2.0.32)  and I was wondering how to set up an IP address alias.  i.e. we
 want our eth0 card to have two different addresses.  Any pointers on how
 to do this?
 
There is a mini-HOWTO. /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/IP-Alias.gz 

I have never done this before, so this is the only thing I can tell you
about it.

Ciao,
Martin


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RE: Are 120 MB diskspace enough?

1997-12-11 Thread Neilen Marais
Hi Thomas

Hi all!

I'm going to set up a server for some network-experiments. The machine
shall run a mail and database-server and perhaps a web-server.

For the possible hardware I'm offered a 486 DX2/66, 16 MB RAM, 120 MB
HDD. Now the question is: Are 120 MB disk-space sufficient? I have my
doubts about this. But as this will be my first linux-machine I'm not
sure.

Again, it will only be used for above mentioned purposes. No GUI or
any
other apps like StarOffice or Netscape are required. The served
network
are only two other machines. And I expect the stored data to be less
than 20 MB.


120Mb should be enough, me and my friend did something similar the
other day.  Remember to make at least 10MB or more swap depending on
your RAM size.

The only problem is that debian does by default install lots of weird
stuff (like emacs, which is BIG).  After just deselecting some unneeded
things in dselect we cut the default installation down from 90MB to
about 50...  Could do even more if we wanted

What size are the needed components?

I hope someone can help me with his opinion!

Thanks,
Thomas

Xheers
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