Re: AccelX
How well does Accelerated X (a commercial X server from www.xig.com) work with Debian GNU/Linux? Is there a Debian installer for it? Can I skip installation of XFree if I buy AccelX (if so, won't Debian dependencies of XFree give me problems)? I am using AccelX 4.1 with no problems. My suggestion would be to install Xfee86 stuff from Debian packages, including at least one server ( vga16 is a good choice ). After that, install AccelX - skip minimal install, select custom and install ONLY server, X11 compatibility package and fonts. NOTHING MORE! Edit /etc/X11/Xserver and substitute vga16 entry with /usr/X11R6/bin/Xaccel. You should also put the following entry into /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers file: :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X That's it. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: AccelX
Accel X 4.1 with patches works fine. (accel x specific patches). I just told Debian not to install it's Xserver binary. Even then, it should not make a difference. Depending if they changed it or not, Accel X 4.1 uses a termcap based install via binary, I would advise installing term-cap compatibility or else the install might fail. Carroll Kong On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Jonas Bofjall wrote: How well does Accelerated X (a commercial X server from www.xig.com) work with Debian GNU/Linux? Is there a Debian installer for it? Can I skip installation of XFree if I buy AccelX (if so, won't Debian dependencies of XFree give me problems)? thanks // Jonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2:201/262.37] -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lp devices
On Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 08:37:52PM -0600, Jim Crumley wrote: I have have tried echo/cat/more and redirecting to /dev/lp0 - /dev/lp4 and I have gotten the error message: bash: /dev/lp0: No such device or address I am pretty much out of ideas. Any help would be appreciated. Try /dev/lp1 instead. If that does not work show us the output of cat /proc/devices Nils I guess I was unclear. I tried /dev/lp0 , /dev/lp1, /dev/lp2, and /dev/lp3. Anyway, I tried reconfiguring magicfuilter, as suggested by Bob Nielsen and that didn't help. I still get the same error message whether redirecting directly to lp1 or using lpr. Anyway, here is the /proc/devices and /etc/printcap. /proc/devices Character devices: 1 mem 2 pty 3 ttyp 4 ttyS 5 cua 6 lp 7 vcs 10 misc 12 tpqic02 36 netlink Block devices: 1 ramdisk 2 fd 3 ide0 7 loop 9 md 22 ide1 36 ed printcap ___ lp|bjc:canonbubblejet-4100:\ :lp=/dev/lp1:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ #:df=/etc/filter.ps:\ #:tf=/etc/filter.pcl:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:\ :lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\ #:if=/usr/sbin/magicfilterconfig:\ :if= /usr/doc/examples/magicfilter/filters/bj200-filter:\ :pl#66:\ :pw#80:\ :pc#150:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: -- Jim Crumley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lp devices
I guess I was unclear. I tried /dev/lp0 , /dev/lp1, /dev/lp2, and /dev/lp3. Anyway, I tried reconfiguring magicfuilter, as suggested by Bob Nielsen and that didn't help. I still get the same error message whether redirecting directly to lp1 or using lpr. What do you get at the end of /var/log/syslog (`tail /var/log/syslog') when you do `rmmod lp; insmod lp'? -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: printer....
1. Take a look at the Printing HOWTOs. Yes there are two of them. I can't remember their names at the moment, but I remember them being strong on different points. 2. Get a print filter, I reccomend magicfilter. I believe one of the HOWTO's says that there are two programs called 'magicfilter' or 'magic filter' out there. You want the one I have, whichever that is :) It appears (from the man page) to have been authored by H. Peter Anvin. It is available as a Debian package. 3. Assuming the printer is not a PS printer, get GS and set it up. I reccomend GS 5 from non-free. It works with more printers, and it superior in some other ways. I certainly hope that Alladin will decide to continue their excellent tradition of giving old versions of GS to GNU. Note that GS 5 is free for you for most if not all purposes. Britton Kerin On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Rafael Castillo Mejia wrote: hi again my question is how do i do to setup my printer under debian 1.3??? i have a HP 560c NOTE: all the last question were about debian 1.3 RAFAEL CASTILLO MEJIA -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
olvwm
I am new with Linux. I just installed Debian Linux and X Free 86 from the official distribution CD's. I have twm and fvwm running but I had no luck with olvwm. Dselect tells me that it is intalled but .xinitrc said that it is not. Can anybody give me a clue? Thanks, Al. -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: olvwm
I am new with Linux. I just installed Debian Linux and X Free 86 from the official distribution CD's. I have twm and fvwm running but I had no luck with olvwm. Dselect tells me that it is intalled but .xinitrc said that it is not. Can anybody give me a clue? You probably want to take a look at /etc/X11/window-managers. If you put olvwm at the top of the list, it will run by default when X starts. -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: olvwm
Ben Pfaff wrote: I am new with Linux. I just installed Debian Linux and X Free 86 from the official distribution CD's. I have twm and fvwm running but I had no luck with olvwm. Dselect tells me that it is intalled but .xinitrc said that it is not. Can anybody give me a clue? You probably want to take a look at /etc/X11/window-managers. If you put olvwm at the top of the list, it will run by default when X starts. It is at the top of the list. It seems that the manager itself is not in any place. Thanks again. Al Savio. -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dotfile locking, NFS and lockd
First of all, thanks a lot for the clarification (and for all the work on linux/debian!). On 4 Mar 1998, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nelson Posse Lago [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that while all debian programs (or all mail related programs?) agree in using dotfile locking, many of them used the wrong function to implement that, since the commonly used function is not atomic over NFS (meaning locking could fail over NFS on a busy machine). Yes, using open(file, O_WRONLY|O_EXCL) is not atomic over NFS. [...] There is a way around it however; you can install the libnfslock package. It's a preloaded library that intercepts the open() call. If you use O_EXCL, it does an NFS safe file create using a temp file and the link(2) system call. [...] The libnfslock solution is good enough for now, and when all programs use the same locking protocol (which is dotlocking, or file based locking according to the Debian policy) you can remove libnfslock from your system. Note that it doesn't buy us much to move to fnctl() based locking with the kernel lockd, since as I said the most difficult part is to get all programs to just do locking in the same (safe) way, whether that is dotlocking or fnctl() locking. Just to see if I got it straight: By reading the material pointed on this list to me at http://www.swb.de/personal/okir/lockd.html , It's my understanding that the real usefulness of the lockd is that one can make shared locks (everyone reads the file simultaneously, as long as everyone agrees not to mess with the file while others are reading it) and posix locks (to lock only a portion of a file, I guess that's important for databases) work over the network, which is not possible now, but which is not important for email. Correct? Thanx again! Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's Internet! -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: APM HD Powerdown
On Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 12:26:29AM +0100, Jonas Bofjall wrote: I would like my IDE disks (I'd very much appciate a general solution too which can be used on SCSI systems) to spin down when unmounted. Mounting them would cause them to spin up again. Is this possible and how? Well, I don't think it's impossible. But why do you want to spin down your drives anyway? Ok, more silence (Oh, silence *is* important, I set up a server outside the room and all work is done on a disk(and noise-) less machine). Ok, less power consumption (good for environment). But what would be the price? I had an email discussion with a technician at a well known hdd manufacturer (was about summer 95, maybe things have changed) about spinning down hdds. I was asking for SCSI commands to spin down an old (and noisy) 5,25 full height piece of storage. He explained that he cannot recommend to spin down any hdd: Within power-on spin-up process a hdd `ages' hundreds of hours and while spinning down the heads polish the parking zone until it's impossible to spin up due to (what's english for `Adhaesion'?) a `glue effect'. I experienced this myself while working for library with small PC desktops, which were switched on in the morning and powered off for the night. One of the hdds got stuck after 3 years. The technician mentioned hdds they built (even in early 90s) they couldn't give any promises after 2000 power-on-spin-ups. Finally I got the SCSI commands. Today the 5,25 full height hdd looks very well with it's case removed on my side board ;-) Of course this all is much better today. But still far away from being perfect. Good luck, --Bjørn -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Question about Debian configuration
On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Ionut Borcoman wrote: Question: How do I set the X mouse to see the third button (now I am using the emulation, but I don't like that) ? When running xf86config, it asks you: Do you want to enable ClearDTR and ClearRTS? I guess that's the trick, though I never needed it, so I don't know what string it would put in /etc/X11/XF86Config . If this doesn't work, someone pointed a solution using gpm -R that should work. Question: Where can I find a good free ANSWERING MACHINE software ? Mgetty. I have some packages from the net that are tar.gziped. Question: How do I integrate them in the dselect (to be able to upgrade them, etc.)? You must convert them to .deb format. Fortunately, that's easy with a proggie named alien. Hope this helps, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's Internet! -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Mounting a Mac CD
How do I mount and read a CD for the mac platform? Or is it impossible? Thanks! Devin -- Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.engr.csulb.edu/~dbwong -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
what is crontab?
I was trying to setup mgetty from dselect and got an error message that said it could not find crontab. Does anyone know what this file is and where I can get it? I also got an error while trying to setup x-windows. It said package cpp was not installed. I haven't been able to find this package. Can someone tell me where it is? John M. White Waco, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://genealogy.org/~mwhite -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: smail (again..... sheesh..)
On 4 Mar 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: I have one [a valid hostname]. It just makes things worse, since it isn't in my isp's domain. Michael Beattie writes: I gather you mean a valid domain as in being in the DNS? Yes. Okay... True, but I meant in the situation that with visible_name set to my ISP, I would not have to use a smarthost for spam-rejecting sites,... smart_host has to do with outgoing mail. So far as I know it has no relevance to spam. I think it does... in a broader sense.. If you use a smarthost, then the mail that they send for you is not rejected, as their HELO [domain] is valid, it can be found on the DNS. whereas mine is not. is this right? ...as it would appear you are masquerading as your ISP, smart_host just hands off delivery to the smarthost so that their well-connected machine can do the address lookup, delivery, retries, etc. The message still goes out with your address. Yes, that I understand, but what I was trying to say is that I gather that when visible_name is set to your ISP, i.e. win.bright.net, or in my case es.co.nz , then you appear as if you are masquerading as your ISP. Am I right saying that? (this is not using a smarthost) ..And using a smarthost, visible_name could be set to your machine's name. The reverse. If you don't use smart_host you will be delivering every message directly to the addressed host. If your address resolves they will accept the message. Many will accept it even if the address doesn't resolve. When you use smart_host, though, you are asking your ISP to relay for you. This causes them to suspect that you might be a spammer, so they may refuse the message unless the MAIL FROM: address is within their domain. okay, this I did not know. I guess I would have to try my ISP.. the MAIL FROM: line is your email address right? so if mine is [EMAIL PROTECTED] , which it is, my ISP should send it out without a problem right? Another question, is visible_name the name used in the HELO [domain] line? or is it used for more or less than that? Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- God's last name is not damn. --- Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
libc6-dev and kernel headers
I have had kernel-source-2.0.32 installed, and have just installed kernel-source-2.0.33. libc6-dev can not be configured because it wants kernel-headers-2.0.32. I want to keep kernel-source-2.0.32 installed; is it really necessary to install the headers as well? In /usr/src, linux and linux-2.0.33 are symlinks to kernel-source-2.0.33, and linux-2.0.32 is a symlink to kernel-source-2.0.32. Would it satisfy the dependencies if I made the symlink 'linux' point to kernel-source-2.0.32? If so, would that interfere with using kernel-package? -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
where can i find 'crond' for win95/nt ?
Hi! friends I need 'crond' for win95/nt. Where can I get it? Thanks for any help, in advance whkye begin: vcard fn: Won-Ho Kye(°è ¿øÈ£) n: ;Won-Ho Kye(°è ¿øÈ£) org:SoftForum(¼ÒÇÁÆ®Æ÷·³) adr:;;Korea (´ëÇѹα¹) email;internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work: 0342-780-6802 tel;fax:0342-780-6820 tel;home: 042-483-5411 note: Hi! Friends x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: what is crontab?
Mike White wrote: I was trying to setup mgetty from dselect and got an error message that said it could not find crontab. Does anyone know what this file is and where I can get it? Install the cron package. This contains crond, the cron daemod, and crontab, the program used to manipulate the per user files in /var/lib/cron/crontabs which scedule jobs on a regular basis. This is used to do system backups during off-peak times and a myriad of other system maintenance tasks that must occur on a regular basis. Do man crontab for more detail. I also got an error while trying to setup x-windows. It said package cpp was not installed. I haven't been able to find this package. Can someone tell me where it is? It's the c preprocessor in interpreters. Install the cpp package. John M. White Waco, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://genealogy.org/~mwhite -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- - Ralph Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary bought a pair of skates upon the ice to frisk now wasn't that a crazy way her sweet young *? -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: wu-ftpd and anonymous ftp
On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Jason Ish wrote: I'm running hamm and have just installed the wu-ftpd server for the purpose of an anonymous ftp account. I thought I had everything working, or so it appeared to work from any command line ftp client (linux/win95), but when a friend tried to get to it using wsftp, no directory listing was given to him. Whats the cause of this and how do I fix it please. (I did read all the docs). You need to build either a static version (i.e., loads no dynamic libs) of ls, or else locate the dynamic version _plus_ copies of any libs it loads. Next put them into appropriate directories of /home/ftp (user ftp's home dir). Then, wu-ftpd will call that ls when asked for a directory listing from anon users. Something-to-try department: Consider trying proftpd; it does not require any extra things in the anon dir; it takes care of everything itself. -Jim -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Mirror question
Hi, I'd like to know how can I setup my mirror program to retry after a certain period if the ppp temporarily disconnected and reconnected again! -- Timothy C. Phan Intelligence Quest Research, INC. -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
AVI viewer
Hi, Is there a .avi viewer on Linux/X11 ? -- Timothy C. Phan Intelligence Quest Research, INC. -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Upgrading to glibc2
Ok... I see an autoup.sh lying around on the net that lets me upgrade my debian 1.3.1R6 to 2.0 in the sense that it gives me glibc2 and I can finally grab hamm packages. Anyone notice any particular bugs with glibc2 or the hamm packages? (unstable?) I know they say they are unstable, but someone told me that debian 2.0 is close to release and that the unstable stuff is actually pretty stable now? Should I bother? My system is working great now what kind of other advantages should I see? Carroll Kong -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Upgrading to glibc2
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Carroll Kong wrote: Ok... I see an autoup.sh lying around on the net that lets me upgrade my debian 1.3.1R6 to 2.0 in the sense that it gives me glibc2 and I can finally grab hamm packages. Anyone notice any particular bugs with glibc2 or the hamm packages? (unstable?) I know they say they are unstable, but someone told me that debian 2.0 is close to release and that the unstable stuff is actually pretty stable now? Should I bother? My system is working great now what kind of other advantages should I see? I upgraded to hamm about six weeks ago and haven't had any problems since I got things set up. Stable in terms of things working well; unstable in terms of package updates daily (often to clean things up with no operational impact). There are several packages in hamm which do not exist for bo (although I didn't check bo-unstable, which may have many of them). Your mileage may vary. Bob --- Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Any thoughts on clients-server systems
Hi, I am looking for ideas and solutions on implementing some client-server system in my lab. What I mean is I want to add Debian boxes and not have to install all the packages. I want to have one or two machines with all the packages and have other machines load the binaries from those machines. I have sort of already tried but I have some problems. For example installing a Debian man insists on writing into /usr/include/man which happens to be on the server and it is only accessed read-only. And I have problems with perl wanting to access the /usr/lib before its loaded via AMD and NFS, etc. I have sort of a working system with three computers but I will appreciate any useful info for example how to have one loggin/password checking etc. I guess I need references and ideas especially from the Debian group as all the machines are running Debian. Thanks D. /---/ Daniel J. Mashao Electrical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Cape Town http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel Rondebosch, 7700, S. Africa(w) 27+21+650 2816 (h) 27+21+705 1233 /---/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: where can i find 'crond' for win95/nt ?
Won-Ho Kye [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 12:18:40PM +0900: Hi! friends I need 'crond' for win95/nt. Where can I get it? You can't be serious. Try upgrading your OS to an environment in which crond runs natively without hideous alteration. -- Scott -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian vs. FreeBSD
On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Y.A.Uvarov wrote: Could somebody compare Debian with FreeBSD. I currently work on FreeBSD and I want to know if there are any reasons to try Debian. Not starting religious wars - it really depends. FreeBSD is solid and most people who use it in my experience needs it for web-servers and the kind. I do not recall anyone who uses it as a personal workstation like me. I like trying new applications and throwing them out as soon as I think I know what they do and it they do not satisfy my needs - Yep. If I wanted to learn about the UNIX I probably use FreeBSD, but now I want to have apps that do some work and that I can experiment with. /---/ Daniel J. Mashao Electrical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Cape Town http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel Rondebosch, 7700, S. Africa(w) 27+21+650 2816 (h) 27+21+705 1233 /---/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HAMM Mirror
Ben Pfaff wrote: If you have nfs, you can try mounting my ftp/pub directory via nfs. The server name is brahe.midco.net .. the ftp/pub dir, or any subdirectory thereof, may be mounted. It's exported readonly, so you might as well mount it read-only. FWIW, I also have a Debian (and ftp.gnu.org and alpha.gnu.org) anonymous nfs server at pfaffben.user.msu.edu. It's a Debian box, too. Mount the /home/ftp directory or a subdirectory. Another one is ftp.kernel.org:/pub/linux/distributions/debian - a full debian mirror (and much more) available by nfs. -- see shy jo -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
massive fetchmail frustration
Fetchmail has me completely baffled. I think is all the convenient noise language that has been introduced into the config file. Here is my situation: I have an account on my homemachine with usernam bkerin. My account name on my ISP is fsblk. I would like to be able to have all mail downloaded to my home machine but preserved on the remove machine until the next time fetchmail is run. The flush options appears to be intended for something like this. I have tried to many configurations to relate them all, but the one that appears to come closest to working and represent the least radical interpretation of the somewhat obscure man page looks like this: poll aurora.alaska.edu \ protocol IMAP \ timeout 200\ user fsblk is bkerin \ pass fantasy \ fetchall \ keep With the keep in there so I don't lose my mail while experimenting. What happens when I run 'fetchmail' is this: $ fetchmail fetchmail: 70 messages at [EMAIL PROTECTED] reading message 1 (1750 bytes) . not flushed reading message 2 (3984 bytes) ... not flushed reading message 3 (2816 bytes) .. not flushed . . . reading message 69 (2365 bytes) .. not flushed reading message 70 (855 bytes) not flushed The problem is that these messages don't show up on my home machine. For example: $ mail No mail for bkerin where this mail command has been executed immediately after the fetchmail comand above it. I believe my shell is set to alert me to incoming mail as well, and nothing shows up. Again, I suspect the problem is related to the fact that my user names on the systems are different. As far as I know my mail setup is as generic as it gets in all other respects. If anyone out there has a working setup for circumstances like mine I would love to see the .fetchmailrc file that worked for you. Some related questions: Is there an elegant userland way to bring up a ppp link and retrieve mail every day at a specified time (like 4 AM)? Options that occur to me are: 1. A 'nohup'ed fetchmail in daemon mode with a retrieval interval of tsecs = 60*60*24. Presumably fetchmail looks at the clock and doesn't do a timing loop, so there wouldn't be any drift. This is inelegant because I can't think of a way to bring ppp up (short of diald, which it doesn't seem should be necisarry for a predictable demand of this sort), and it would be difficult to make the process persistant in the face of reboots, crashes, etc. 2. A recursive 'at' command or script or some such thing. A nauseating thought. 3. Registry with a program like cron intended to service users. Does such a thing exist? Lastly, does anyone have a clean way set up to invoke fetchmail as root and get mail for all users? I would like to see that also. Thanks for any assistance you may be able to provide. Britton Kerin __ GNU GPL: The Source will be with you... always. (This sig, when found, was assumed to be GPL'ed) -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Thanks
I would like to express my many thanks to all who have helped me with the problems that I have posted. I have finally got a non-pnp modem in my computer, and within 24 hours I have successfully connected to my ISP via minicom. It appears that all of my frustrations were caused by my pnp modem :( . I have also found that my problem with my bootdisk was that I didnt have the disk in the proper fs type. I made the floppy with a minix fs type today and recompiled, and ran 'make zdisk' and now have a successfully booting bootdisk for kernel 2.0.33 . As you can all imagine, I am quite happy with todays progress. :)) . I just thought that I would update you all, and thank you all once again for the help you have given me thus far. Now I'm on to other, possibly less troublesome projects. Charles -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Running just an X-server
There are two X-clients for Win. You will find them at 1) www.microimages.com This is a free Win95/NT server. I like it very much. 2) www.orl.com/vnc This server is supposed to be good for NT and OK for 95. I have not tried it yet. Hope this helps M. K. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Erik van der Meulen wrote: I have a small Debian box running as a server in a small network (NT/95). Until now I have done all configuration using a terminal session from the client to the server (which does not have a monitor). I would like to be able access my server with an x-client. All x-servers on the list seem to be dedicated to some graphical device. Is there a minimal installation I could perform which would allow me to have only the daemon on the server and the graphical stuff on the client? Any suggestions greatly appreciated, Erik van der Meulen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CMG Bedrijfsinformatiesystemen B.V. Postbus 91 / 1180 AB / Amstelveen p: 020 503 3000 / f: 020 503 3010 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: replacing MTA
nathan == Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: nathan In other words, simply using 'dpkg -i' or 'dpkg -r' is nathan problematic, since the MTA is essential. here is a simple (and *dirty*) method, but it sort of works for light-duty machines: example on how i approximately did a few switchings from smail to exim, once-upon-a-time: 1) to make sure that no mails are in the queue anymore: $ runq $ mailq 2) disallow smtp connection: plug out the cable : 3) force remove the old MTA: $ dpkg --purge --force-depends smail 4) install the new one: $ dpkg --install exim_*.deb 5) allow smtp connections plug in the cable : 6) tune some software if needed (listmanagers, etc). ...and there you have it. beware, it's quite a *dirty* method! :-)) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc6-dev and kernel headers
Hi, Bob == Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob I have had kernel-source-2.0.32 installed, and have just Bob installed kernel-source-2.0.33. libc6-dev can not be configured Bob because it wants kernel-headers-2.0.32. I want to keep Bob kernel-source-2.0.32 installed; is it really necessary to install Bob the headers as well? Yes. Kernel-sources are arch independent, and are not enough to satisfy the libc requirements on all architectures. Bob In /usr/src, linux and linux-2.0.33 are symlinks to Bob kernel-source-2.0.33, and linux-2.0.32 is a symlink to Bob kernel-source-2.0.32. Would it satisfy the dependencies if I Bob made the symlink 'linux' point to kernel-source-2.0.32? If so, Bob would that interfere with using kernel-package? Umm, no, not with the latest libc6-dev, this would have no effect. Please look at /usr/doc/kernel-source-2.0.33/README.headers for a more detailed explanation. manoj -- It's a very valuable function and requirement that you're performing, so have a great day and keep a stiff upper lip. Dan Quayle, Prince William Sound, May 1989 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Running just an X-server
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, M K Pai wrote: There are two X-clients for Win. You will find them at 1) www.microimages.com This is a free Win95/NT server. I like it very much. 2) www.orl.com/vnc This server is supposed to be good for NT and OK for 95. I have not tried it yet. Hi, I think it's: http://www.orl.co.uk/vnc. I have tested it and you could see the win95 or winnt desktop in you linux X-win box. you could control the win95/nt remotely. Also, this program is GPLed... cool. regards, == == Andre M. Varon Lasaltech Incorporated == == Technical Head Fax-Tel: (034)435-0836 == = == ==== == E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] == WebPage : www.lasaltech.com/andre.html -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: Barcodes
On 05-Mar-98 Tim Sailer wrote: Does anyone know (not that this is real Debian specific) of a program that given a number, would generate a gif/jpg/tiff/whatever of a 3-of-9 barcode? Yes, it's called xbar211.english.tgz or XBarcode and it can do the following conversions: barcode output * EAN13, EAN8 * PPM * UPC * GIF * CodeABar * PCX * Code 128 * PBM * Code 3/9 * LaTeX * Code 2/5 * Postscript * Code 2/5 Matrix * Code 2/5 Interleaved I don't know where I found it, so you'll have to look for yourself, but it's out there. I'm more interested in a program that does the reverse. Given a gif/jpg/tiff generate the barcode numbers, but I've been unable to find such a program. -- Best regards, Jeroen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Dictionary
Hi Kirk, Ran across an old post regarding online CDROM (or other) dictionaries. Did you ever find one? I don't need Linux. I was curious about the proj. Gutenberg version, or even a Win95 Webster- like version. Thanks for any info! Mark Garvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Barcodes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Sailer) writes: Does anyone know (not that this is real Debian specific) of a program that given a number, would generate a gif/jpg/tiff/whatever of a 3-of-9 barcode? There´s a (La)TeX package (no .deb though) out for some of the codes. Have a look at CTAN (I only now the german ftp.dante.de). HTH, Jens --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 2048/E451C639 Jens Ritter Key fingerprint: 5F 3D 43 1E 24 1E CC 48 1E 05 93 3A A7 10 73 37 -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: massive fetchmail frustration
Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: $ fetchmail . . reading message 69 (2365 bytes) .. not flushed reading message 70 (855 bytes) not flushed The problem is that these messages don't show up on my home machine. For example: $ mail No mail for bkerin where this mail command has been executed immediately after the fetchmail comand above it. I believe my shell is set to alert me to incoming mail as well, and nothing shows up. Again, I suspect the problem is related to the fact that my user names on the systems are different. fetchmail uses your MTA (sendmail, smail, whatever you installed) to deliver mail. I use this: defaults proto pop3 user jens poll mail.server.somewhere pass poll mail.server.elsewhere user jrx there has password XX This gets mail from somewhere as user jens to user jens and mail from elsewhere with account name jrx to local account jens. I have to run the local MTA though with runq. Have a look at mailq. HTH, Jens As far as I know my mail setup is as generic as it gets in all other respects. If anyone out there has a working setup for circumstances like mine I would love to see the .fetchmailrc file that worked for you. Some related questions: Is there an elegant userland way to bring up a ppp link and retrieve mail every day at a specified time (like 4 AM)? Options that occur to me are: cron is designed to do this. If your box does not run all the time, have a look at anacron. HTH, Jens --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 2048/E451C639 Jens Ritter Key fingerprint: 5F 3D 43 1E 24 1E CC 48 1E 05 93 3A A7 10 73 37 -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: massive fetchmail frustration
On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Britton wrote: Fetchmail has me completely baffled. I think is all the convenient noise language that has been introduced into the config file. Here is my situation: I have an account on my homemachine with usernam bkerin. My account name on my ISP is fsblk. I would like to be able to have all mail downloaded to my home machine but preserved on the remove machine until the next time fetchmail is run. The flush options appears to be intended for something like this. I have tried to many configurations to relate them all, but the one that appears to come closest to working and represent the least radical interpretation of the somewhat obscure man page looks like this: poll aurora.alaska.edu \ protocol IMAP \ timeout 200\ user fsblk is bkerin \ pass fantasy \ fetchall \ keep With the keep in there so I don't lose my mail while experimenting. What happens when I run 'fetchmail' is this: I would have : user fsblk with pass fantasy is bkerin here to keep it readable $ fetchmail fetchmail: 70 messages at [EMAIL PROTECTED] reading message 1 (1750 bytes) . not flushed reading message 2 (3984 bytes) ... not flushed reading message 3 (2816 bytes) .. not flushed . . . reading message 69 (2365 bytes) .. not flushed reading message 70 (855 bytes) not flushed The problem is that these messages don't show up on my home machine. For example: $ mail No mail for bkerin This is interesting, the only reason I have is that fetchmail could not connect to localhost to deliver mail... but it did not come up with an error of that flavour where this mail command has been executed immediately after the fetchmail comand above it. I believe my shell is set to alert me to incoming mail as well, and nothing shows up. Again, I suspect the problem is related to the fact that my user names on the systems are different. Unlikely, mine are different also. As far as I know my mail setup is as generic as it gets in all other respects. If anyone out there has a working setup for circumstances like mine I would love to see the .fetchmailrc file that worked for you. :) here... : Although I am Pop3 :( --~/.fetchmailrc defaults poll mail.es.co.nz proto POP3 user mickyb with password [password] is omnic here smtphost localhost Lastly, does anyone have a clean way set up to invoke fetchmail as root and get mail for all users? I would like to see that also. just use the same .fetchmailrc... works for me. Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- The man who invented the eraser pretty well sized up the human race. --- Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: massive fetchmail frustration
Britton wrote: ... Lastly, does anyone have a clean way set up to invoke fetchmail as root and get mail for all users? I would like to see that also. This is my setup: I use fetchmail as a cron job to download mail and I pass it to procmail to distribute to users. I use sendmail. There is a script `poll.mail' to establish the dial-up connection and download mail; this has to be run as superuser. The only problem I have with it is that if I become superuser from another account than my own, a lot of the list mail for me ends up in that other user's mailbox. I don't know why this is. I also use this script to collect news for the groups I am interested in and download it to my local server. poll.mail is run by cron, as root. As superuser, run `crontab -e' and add this line: 2 4 * * * /usr/local/bin/poll.mail Alternatively, edit /etc/crontab; you have to add the root user name: 2 4 * * * root /usr/local/bin/poll.mail This runs the job at 4.02am every day. (I run it more often.) The fetchmail configuration is in /root/.fetchmail1rc, and is readable only by root. (This is required by fetchmail if it is running as root.) It says: poll mail.enterprise.net protocol pop3 username x password y smtphost localhost Mail is held by the ISP for user x [not really!] and /etc/aliases makes this go through procmail: # enterprise mail name x: | /usr/bin/procmail -f - Procmail configuration is in /etc/procmailrc. How well it works depends on how tightly you can define email addresses. The main problem comes from the wide variety of ways in which mailing lists forward messages. #! /bin/bash # Poll for mail # May be run either by cron or at will by the superuser. PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/etc:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin # See if we already have PPP running if netstat -nr | grep ' ppp' /dev/null then echo PPP already running ppp_running=TRUE else # if not, start it up... if [ -f /var/run/diald.pid ] ps -p `cat /var/run/diald.pid` then echo diald is running ping -c 1 mail.enterprise.net ppp_running=TRUE else ppp_running=FALSE /usr/local/bin/ppp-on fi sleep 2 waitpd=0 until netstat -nr | grep ' ppp' /dev/null do if ps -axu | grep -v grep | grep -E 'pppd|diald' /dev/null then sleep 5 waitpd=`expr $waitpd + 5` if [ $waitpd -gt 120 ] then echo Timed out exit 2 fi else echo PPP session was not established exit 1 fi done fi sleep 5 # Collect any mail that is waiting for us echo Calling for mail for lfix.co.uk fetchmail -aF -f /root/.fetchmail1rc case $? in 0) :;; # no problem 1) echo No mail to collect;; 2) echo Could not open socket;; 3) echo User authentication failed;; 4) echo Fatal protocol error;; 5) echo syntax error in fetchmail command;; 6) echo Bad permissions for run control file;; 7) echo Server error reported, or time-out;; 8) echo Exclusion error - is another fetchmail running\?;; 9) echo Server reported \'Lock busy\';; 10) echo SMTP failure;; 11) echo Internal error;; *) echo Totally unexpected error in fetchmail;; esac # Send anything we have for the outside world sendmail -q # Get news /usr/local/bin/slurp -d news.enterprise.net # If we started PPP, stop it again if [ $ppp_running = FALSE ] then /usr/local/bin/ppp-off fi DEFAULT=olly LOGFILE=/var/log/procmail.log :0 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !dan :0 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !dan # :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !ruth :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !ruth # :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !abby :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !abby # :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !hannah :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !hannah # :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !nick :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !nick # :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !tom :0E * [EMAIL PROTECTED] !tom Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1
Re: AVI viewer
iquest wrote: Hi, Is there a .avi viewer on Linux/X11 ? Yup! Package called xanim, which is under the Graphics section. rgds. -- Kevin Cave. A Scotsman living in London, but may move to Japan. Registered Linux User #64441 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) [EMAIL PROTECTED](home) -- -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: smail (again..... sheesh..)
Michael Beattie writes: If you use a smarthost, then the mail that they send for you is not rejected, as their HELO [domain] is valid, it can be found on the DNS. whereas mine is not. is this right? In my limited experience, mail servers always accept HELO from non-existent domains. I find this surprising. I gather that when visible_name is set to your ISP, i.e. win.bright.net, or in my case es.co.nz , then you appear as if you are masquerading as your ISP. No, I'm just telling them that the mail originated in my isp's domain. The HELO supposedly tells them who I am. this is not using a smarthost That's irrelevant. the MAIL FROM: line is your email address right? No. With smail, it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] if visible name is set, else it is [EMAIL PROTECTED] As far as I know, it is only used for returning bounces. Another question, is visible_name the name used in the HELO [domain] line? hostname is used on the HELO line. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: AVI viewer
iquest writes: Hi, Is there a .avi viewer on Linux/X11 ? xanim works very well! You will find it in the non-free section on a debian ftp site like ftp.debian.org -- -= Sent by Debian 1.3 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@westgac3.dragon.com Remove @_@ for correct Email address --... ...-- ... -.. . -.- -.. - -.-. .. -.- -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
TeX help!
Hi All ! I am having a small problem with TeX. I just added a new TeX package to it, and - as usual - there are some spread files. All files are located at /usr/local/lib/texmf/inputs and I would like to add them to my database so that my users does not have to write all the path to the files needed. The point is, I used texhash (more then once actually...) with no results. I also tried using append_db, but again, no response. Is there something missing? (I am in a quite a hurry to make this work...) I have added packages before, but texhash always worked. Thanks in advance. Daniel. Daniel Doro Ferranteemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network System Managerhttp://www.cecm.usp.br/~danieldf CECM - Curso de Ciencias Moleculares - USP Course of Molecular Sciences - University of Sao Paulo -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
vmlinuz and zImage
Hi, Can anyone please tell me the difference between the files vmliniz and zImage ? I recompiled the kernel-2.0.32 and the new vmlinux file in the linux directory was 1087525 bytes while the original kernel-2.0.32 vmlinux file was 675524 bytes... quite a difference. the new zImage file was 439720 bytes. Dos anyone know why there should be such a difference when I used just the defaults and enabled ipmasqurading in the new kernel ? Thanks Ian -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: where can i find 'crond' for win95/nt ?
Why don't you just use the MS System Agent that comes with MS Plus? I don't know about NT. -Ossama -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lp devices
I guess I was unclear. I tried /dev/lp0 , /dev/lp1, /dev/lp2, and /dev/lp3. Anyway, I tried reconfiguring magicfuilter, as suggested by Bob Nielsen and that didn't help. I still get the same error message whether redirecting directly to lp1 or using lpr. What do you get at the end of /var/log/syslog (`tail /var/log/syslog') when you do `rmmod lp; insmod lp'? I get : Mar 6 06:42:43 isaac syslogd 1.3-3#17: restart. Mar 6 06:43:00 isaac /USR/SBIN/CRON[522]: (mail) CMD (runq) Mar 6 06:44:06 isaac kernel: lp: Driver configured but no interfaces found. -- Jim Crumley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lp devices
What do you get at the end of /var/log/syslog (`tail /var/log/syslog') when you do `rmmod lp; insmod lp'? I get : Mar 6 06:42:43 isaac syslogd 1.3-3#17: restart. Mar 6 06:43:00 isaac /USR/SBIN/CRON[522]: (mail) CMD (runq) Mar 6 06:44:06 isaac kernel: lp: Driver configured but no interfaces found. That means that the driver doesn't think you have any parallel ports. Are the parallel ports enabled in the BIOS? Do you have any other OSes that the parallel ports work in? -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
TimeZone Date String conversion?
Hi Folks, Does anyone know of a utility which will take a time-zone dependent date string such as Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:33:00 -0500 Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:12:00 EST and convert either to GMT/UST? I need to be able to extract Date: data from a mailbox on a uniform time basis. With thanks, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06-Mar-98 Time: 13:36:18 -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
autoup.sh
Whoa... tried upgrading and I think I got confused. Shouldn't I erase my old packages via dselect? Then change my access to ftp and get all the hamm packages, then run autoup.sh? Carroll Kong -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: massive fetchmail frustration
Britton writes: [snip] Sorry, can't help you with fetchmail, Yet 8-) Some related questions: Is there an elegant userland way to bring up a ppp link and retrieve mail every day at a specified time (like 4 AM)? Options that occur to me are: I use UUCP and wanted to do the same sort of retrieval. I created a shell script which calls the appropriate daemon (UUCICO in my case). I then added an entry into the cron table, /etc/crontab, and cron then runs the script as root and picks up the mail at designated intervals. The permissions on the script are set as 700 and are owned by root:root. Smail/elm simply queue the out-bound mail until the script is ran. In-bound mail is automatically distributed. -- -= Sent by Debian 1.3 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@westgac3.dragon.com Remove @_@ for correct Email address --... ...-- ... -.. . -.- -.. - -.-. .. -.- -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Smail/Sendmail Question
Hello, I was wondering if the following is possible using either Smail or Sendmail, What I want to do is to use smail or sendmail mail to deliver my internet email, The problem I have is that I need one of these packages to deliver any local mail or network mail to the appropriate user/server, but to queue all internet email until my dialup connection is established using ppp, I also need smail or sendmail to change the from address of the email to the address of my internet email account, (i.e. email bound for the internet needs the From address changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is my Linux box to [EMAIL PROTECTED] my internet email account). Is this possible? if so how. Also is smail the default mail daemon of Debian? if so then using the default mail daemon would be preferable. Regards Graham -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
kernel Headers
Can someone explain to me please this whole debian kernel headers thing? I use OSS/Linux (unfortunatly my sound card is of a type where I can't use anything else) and I plan to upgrade to the new version of it later today... they say that before installation on Debian systems... you have to rename /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux and make them sym inks into the kernel source tree (easy enough) then I got curious here at work (I am installing at home) and noticed that /usr/include/linux is a sym link to /usr/src/kerenel-headers-xxx why i sthis so? why not just link it to the current source tree headers? is there any difference between the kernel headers 2.0.xx package's headers and the headers that the kernel actually comes with? On first glance I don't like that...tho I will try to keep an open mind as I am sure there is a rational explanation for it will I break anything if I redo those links to point into the current source tree and LEAVE THEM that way? I take it that this is part of the reason I can't just cd /usr/src/linux and successfully make zImage and hand install? are these other headers differnt? if sohow differnt? -Steve -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lp devices
What do you get at the end of /var/log/syslog (`tail /var/log/syslog') when you do `rmmod lp; insmod lp'? I get : Mar 6 06:42:43 isaac syslogd 1.3-3#17: restart. Mar 6 06:43:00 isaac /USR/SBIN/CRON[522]: (mail) CMD (runq) Mar 6 06:44:06 isaac kernel: lp: Driver configured but no interfaces found. That means that the driver doesn't think you have any parallel ports. Are the parallel ports enabled in the BIOS? Do you have any other OSes that the parallel ports work in? Yes, the printer works fine in Windows 95. I have an old Epson LQ 510, also. I'll try hooking that up later and see if that helps. Though I guess if Linux isn't even seeing the parallel port it shouldn't matter. If it isn't seeing the parallel port now, why did it say it captured the lp1 when I tried loading the lp module with the rescue disk? I never tried printing while using the rescue disk. Should I switch to the shell and try redirecting to lp1 while using the rescue disk? -- Jim Crumley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lp devices
That means that the driver doesn't think you have any parallel ports. Are the parallel ports enabled in the BIOS? Do you have any other OSes that the parallel ports work in? Yes, the printer works fine in Windows 95. I have an old Epson LQ 510, also. I'll try hooking that up later and see if that helps. Though I guess if Linux isn't even seeing the parallel port it shouldn't matter. If it isn't seeing the parallel port now, why did it say it captured the lp1 when I tried loading the lp module with the rescue disk? I never tried printing while using the rescue disk. Should I switch to the shell and try redirecting to lp1 while using the rescue disk? You can try both of these things. If either of them make a difference, then it's an interesting data point that would help us figure out what's wrong. But I really can't think why they'd make a difference. Are you using the default kernel or a kernel that you compiled yourself? -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: autoup.sh
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Carroll Kong wrote: : Whoa... tried upgrading and I think I got confused. Shouldn't I erase : my old packages via dselect? Then change my access to ftp and get all the hamm : packages, then run autoup.sh? : : : Carroll Kong Pretty much the opposite. Run autoup.sh, then point dselect towards an 'unstable' ftp mirror, or even better, an http mirror. It works great! I've upgraded two bo boxes this week. -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454 fax: (605) 335-1173 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net PGP Key ID: 0xA33B86E9 - Public key available at keyservers PGP Key fingerprint: CE03 10AF 3281 1858 9D32 C2AB 936D C472 -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel Headers
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: Can someone explain to me please this whole debian kernel headers thing? I use OSS/Linux (unfortunatly my sound card is of a type where I can't use anything else) and I plan to upgrade to the new version of it later today... they say that before installation on Debian systems... you have to rename /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux and make them sym inks into the kernel source tree (easy enough) then I got curious here at work (I am installing at home) and noticed that /usr/include/linux is a sym link to /usr/src/kerenel-headers-xxx why i sthis so? See the /usr/doc/libc* FAQ.. Excerpt: Q1: Why does Debian's libc point the /usr/include/linux and /usr/include/asm symlinks to a specific kernel instead of using the standard convention of pointing them to the currently installed kernel? A1: Occasionally, changes in the kernel headers cause problems with the compilation of libc and of programs that use libc. To ensure that users are not affected by these problems, we configure libc to use the headers from a kernel that is known to work with libc. By the way, the most recent OSS should take care of all of this stuff automatically, I believe. I install OSS without having to touch any of the links (which point to 2.0.32 headers). I am using kernel 2.0.33 and OSS for 2.0.33 without any modifications or problems. -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lp devices
Yes, the printer works fine in Windows 95. I have an old Epson LQ 510, also. I'll try hooking that up later and see if that helps. Though I guess if Linux isn't even seeing the parallel port it shouldn't matter. If it isn't seeing the parallel port now, why did it say it captured the lp1 when I tried loading the lp module with the rescue disk? I never tried printing while using the rescue disk. Should I switch to the shell and try redirecting to lp1 while using the rescue disk? You can try both of these things. If either of them make a difference, then it's an interesting data point that would help us figure out what's wrong. But I really can't think why they'd make a difference. Are you using the default kernel or a kernel that you compiled yourself? I am using the default bo kernel. -- Jim Crumley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lp devices
Are you using the default kernel or a kernel that you compiled yourself? I am using the default bo kernel. At this point I'm beginning to suspect that other kernel drivers may be causing a problem. What other modules are loaded? (use lsmod or cat /proc/modules) What interrupts and ioports are in use? (/proc/interrupts, /proc/ioports) -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Upgrading to glibc2
Carroll Kong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok... I see an autoup.sh lying around on the net that lets me upgrade my debian 1.3.1R6 to 2.0 in the sense that it gives me glibc2 and I can finally grab hamm packages. Anyone notice any particular bugs with glibc2 or the hamm packages? (unstable?) I know they say they are unstable, but someone told me that debian 2.0 is close to release and that the unstable stuff is actually pretty stable now? Should I bother? My system is working great now what kind of other advantages should I see? Version 0.21 of autoup.sh has a bug that makes the ftp option fail. A fixed version is expected to be posted momentarily. The other options work fine. hamm is pretty stable, but a few packages still have surprises. If you are happy with your system, and don't _need_ any of the newer packages, there is no compelling reason to upgrade at this time. -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Dictionary
Check out www.dict.org -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel Headers
Steve Hsieh wrote: On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: Can someone explain to me please this whole debian kernel headers thing? snip then I got curious here at work (I am installing at home) and noticed that /usr/include/linux is a sym link to /usr/src/kerenel-headers-xxx why i sthis so? See the /usr/doc/libc* FAQ.. Excerpt: snip A1: Occasionally, changes in the kernel headers cause problems with the compilation of libc and of programs that use libc. To ensure that users are not affected by these problems, we configure libc to use the headers from a kernel that is known to work with libc. In that case I am just going to redo the sym-links to the real kernel source headersI feel I am experianced enough to deal with any problems like that which arise on the whole it should just make my life easier By the way, the most recent OSS should take care of all of this stuff automatically, I believe. I install OSS without having to touch any of the links (which point to 2.0.32 headers). I am using kernel 2.0.33 and OSS for 2.0.33 without any modifications or problems. It might...but it claims on the web page that it doesn't I got the 2.0.xx version and plan to upgrade to 2.0.33... I just upgraded to hamm 2 days ago but I still use 2.0.29 so I can hear sounds I am contemplating a jump to 2.1.84 ...OSS/Linux has a version fo rit... and I am running hamm unstable anyway Thanx fo rthe infoI never would have thought that the libc FAQ would talk be where to find out about linux kernel headers strangeness -Steve -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Sparc Debian
Hi, Does anyone know when Debian 2 for Sparcs is supposed to be released? I know that there is a glibc2 stability issue involved, but it sure seems that things are going very slow. Has cfdisk for Debian been ported to the Sparc platform yet? I know that RedHat seems to have it working. It would be nice to be able to partition a disk using Debian instead of some other external means. Are the sparc debian disks going to be updated soon? It seems that they are almost a year old. Sorry about the nagging. I just really want to use Debian, instead of being forced to use RedHat for Sparcs. Thanks, -Ossama __ Ossama Othman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- PGP Keys --- Public: http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/staff/othman/OO_PUBLIC.asc REVOKED: http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/staff/othman/OO_REVOKED.asc -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Adding users [useradd]
For some reason, my debian box is not adding users properly. I created a user, and it did not prompt me with any questions (Like Name and password). It added a entry in the passwd file (more or less bare bones entry (no shell, password)) and it did not create the home directory that is specified in the passwd file. I went and got the latest adduser (3.6) debian package and installed without success. ...my two obvious questions... Did I do something to this thing? and How to I fix it? HELP!?!? --Jay Barbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: AVI viewer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Cave writes: iquest wrote: Hi, Is there a .avi viewer on Linux/X11 ? Yup! Package called xanim, which is under the Graphics section. I beg your pardon, but xanim is non-free and your answer to the gentleman infers that xanim is distributed as part of the offical release. Oh Dear! Sorry for trying to be of assistance to someone asking a question here, but would you care to try the following? 1) Using your preferred web browser, go to http://www.nl.debian.org 2) After the page has came up, click on Debian Packages 3) Click on View the packages in the unstable distributions 4) On this page, click on Graphics/ 5) Using whatever method suits you best, scroll down to quite near the bottom of the list of packages AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD. 6) Click on the package entitled xanim Yes! You're quite correct! Xanim is classed as non-free! Yes! I'M quite correct! There is a package called xanim, which the gentleman can, quite properly, download from from this site! If the gentleman had asked Is there a _free_ Debian package that plays .avi packages?, then perhaps I may have answered him differently, but since there was no such criterion in his orginal question, then I merely gave the reply which was best suited to his query. I'm sorry, but I don't see what you're point is. If that package is not included in the CD distribution, then fine! But the fact remains that he can download xanim, from the Debian site easily, and use it with, as far as I can tell, no legal recourse, as non-free means that the package has some restriction on it's distribution. If someone can elaborate on this, then I would welcome it gladly. Sorry to appear to have a bit of a rant about this, but I was only trying to help the original query! rgds. -- Kevin Cave. A Scotsman living in London, but may move to Japan. Registered Linux User #64441 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) [EMAIL PROTECTED](home) -- -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Linux Bad Blocks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 2 Mar 1998, Pedro Quaresma de Almeida wrote: I have a hard disk that had gained a couple of bad blocks recently. Linux (Debian 1.3.1) is having problems dealing with them kernel panic ... what can I do to mark the bad block in Linux? Try e2fsck -c on the root partition, using the rescue disk. - From the e2fsck man page: -c This option causes e2fsck to run the badblocks(8) program to find any blocks which are bad on the filesystem, and then marks them as bad by adding them to the bad block inode. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNQAktCqK7IlOjMLFAQF3uQP7BIbc7aDxuvXkmjVfBLInoMY71rOwXKKm Ox52PpxbkZPB04y7MyQ5pR9Zj2f5YHq1SPdgFKjYX3rMsaS0WyM2AgTzDLXtNkFT t7YzT46VmOOR90HRASEYv9Tgdpp4O7WBRRgmNaUxKx6AqxhBwTGnE0alYepwMRc8 KpIMgpPGGyQ= =3zoZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kernel Headers
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: By the way, the most recent OSS should take care of all of this stuff automatically, I believe. I install OSS without having to touch any of the links (which point to 2.0.32 headers). I am using kernel 2.0.33 and OSS for 2.0.33 without any modifications or problems. It might...but it claims on the web page that it doesn't I got the 2.0.xx version and plan to upgrade to 2.0.33... I just upgraded to hamm 2 days ago but I still use 2.0.29 so I can hear sounds I am contemplating a jump to 2.1.84 ...OSS/Linux has a version fo rit... and I am running hamm unstable anyway Thanx fo rthe infoI never would have thought that the libc FAQ would talk be where to find out about linux kernel headers strangeness I believe that the OSS web page refers to bo, which had the headers in libc5-dev, rather than symlinks to kernel headers. This changed with hamm and libc6. You might be pretty safe with 2.0.29, but if there are problems compiling, you'll at least know where to look. Bob --- Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
StarOffice seems good but it is only in German?
Hi I wanted to try StarOffice but it is in German I presume. Can I get it to work in English? /---/ Daniel J. Mashao Electrical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Cape Town http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel Rondebosch, 7700, S. Africa(w) 27+21+650 2816 (h) 27+21+705 1233 /---/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Adding users [useradd]
I would try using the command 'adduser', instead of 'useradd'. You can find some default options for adding users in the file '/etc/adduser.conf'. (like default shell, group, homedir etc) From my experience, adduser has been plagued with bugs in the past. Thanks, Dennis -- dpk [EMAIL PROTECTED], Network Administrator | work: 353.4844 Division of Engineering Computing Services | page: 222.5875 On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Jay Barbee wrote: For some reason, my debian box is not adding users properly. I created a user, and it did not prompt me with any questions (Like Name and password). It added a entry in the passwd file (more or less bare bones entry (no shell, password)) and it did not create the home directory that is specified in the passwd file. I went and got the latest adduser (3.6) debian package and installed without success. ...my two obvious questions... Did I do something to this thing? and How to I fix it? HELP!?!? --Jay Barbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Adding users [useradd]
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Jay Barbee wrote: For some reason, my debian box is not adding users properly. I created a user, and it did not prompt me with any questions (Like Name and password). It added a entry in the passwd file (more or less bare bones entry (no shell, password)) and it did not create the home directory that is specified in the passwd file. useradd is working exactly as documented and intended (man useradd). I went and got the latest adduser (3.6) debian package and installed without success. ...my two obvious questions... Did I do something to this thing? and How to I fix it? Use adduser instead. -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: StarOffice seems good but it is only in German?
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Daniel Mashao wrote: Hi I wanted to try StarOffice but it is in German I presume. Can I get it to work in English? You probably downloaded the wrong version. It is available in English, as well. Go to the English S.O. website, www.stardivision.com and follow the links (4.0). 3.1 is available (both English and German) from ftp.gdwd.de. Bob --- Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
dosemu and graphics
David Morris writes: I have the latest (hamm) dosemu installed for a text based program and have tried to get it to run in graphics mode so the games are more accessible. However, as a normal user I can't get it. If I try to run vgaon it kicks out an error: CAN'T DO VIDEO INIT, BIOS NOT MAPPED. You don't need to run vgaon. All you need to run graphic apps in dosemu is configure your video card/monitor in dosemu.conf. It's somewhat painfull, but you need to do it carefully, and then you'll be able to run graphics under console and X. I do! What can I change to all my normal user account to access the video? /etc/dosemu/conf, in the new versions... PS. On a related note, it would be nice to get graphics in the xdos windows, but I get the same error as above even logged on as root. Any hints on this one? Yes, edit /etc/dosemu/conf :^ Sorry for the joke. I hope you can get it. -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bo-unstable bash
At 13:20 -0600 1998-03-04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to install the bo-unstable bash and it has a dependency on both libc5 and libc6. Is this correct? No, it's not, there's a corrected version in bo-unstable now. -- Joel Espy KleckerDebian GNU/Linux Developermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://espy.org/ ftp://ftp.espy.org/pub God shows his contempt for wealth by the kind of person He selects to receive it. -- Austin O'Malley (1858-1952) -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: lp devices
Hi, I'm sorry to jump in on a discussion like this but my problem relates - I think. My system is from the 1.3.1 cd and is basically unmodified as far as the kernel is concerned. During boot the system hangs on loading the lp module. I do a control c and go on from there. Later - looking at top - it looks like insmod is running all the time still trying to load lp, and using about 85% of the cpu cycles doing it. Nothing I do with rmmod or insmod seems to make any difference. The lp line in conf.modules seems correct. Any suggestions would be appreciated. bob van horn -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[Q] KDE for libc6. motif for libc6
Hello, does any one know where from I can dowload (if it exists) the latest version of KDE (I think it is Beta 3) that is compiled for libc6? Also where can I buy (inexpensively) a version of Motif 2.1 (devel and binaries) that is compiled for libc6. And will it work when the latest version of the gnu compiler 2.8.0 (or egcc) will become standard? Thanks in advance, Vladislav -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: StarOffice seems good but it is only in German?
Hi I wanted to try StarOffice but it is in German I presume. Can I get it to work in English? No, there are two versions of StarOffice (I'm guessing you're talking about 4.0) - one in English and the other in German. The english one can be grabbed at ftp.stardiv.de/pub/so4/linux/final/01. HTH. Alan /---/ Daniel J. Mashao Electrical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Cape Town http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel Rondebosch, 7700, S. Africa(w) 27+21+650 2816 (h) 27+21+705 1233 /---/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: StarOffice seems good but it is only in German?
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote: You probably downloaded the wrong version. It is available in English, as well. Go to the English S.O. website, www.stardivision.com and follow the links (4.0). 3.1 is available (both English and German) from ftp.gdwd.de. Yep your are right. I followed SAL links for Scientific Applications for Linux and they just pointed to the german site. I thought there was a variable that I have to set to get it to change languages. It looks real good. I would be willing to pay for it. I might buy the Windoze version. /---/ Daniel J. Mashao Electrical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Cape Town http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel Rondebosch, 7700, S. Africa(w) 27+21+650 2816 (h) 27+21+705 1233 /---/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[Q] Xemacs -- getcw failes
Sorry if the question has been asked again But I cannot get XEmacs to start up (in X windows or without). I get something like 'getch failes return status 0'. I did look through the mailing list arch in January but did not find a clear answer on this question. The XEmacs is from hamm but compiled for libc5 Most of my system is libc6 -- but I have some packages that rely on libc5 and work OK. Vladislav -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Linux kernel size
Howdy, I am wondering how big is the actual kernel of Linux? I cannot compile it with all options turned off for some reason, maybe someone can give me a ready answer? I would like to know what would be the size of the bare kernel stripped down to support only: * processes * threads * sync primitives * scheduling * memory management * interrupt support Thanks, Albert -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] KDE for libc6. motif for libc6
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello! On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Vladislav Papayan x285 wrote: Hello, [...] Also where can I buy (inexpensively) a version of Motif 2.1 (devel and binaries) that is compiled for libc6. And will it work when the latest version of the gnu compiler 2.8.0 (or egcc) will become standard? Get the Motif 2.1 version, seems to Swim Motif is that you want, also is the cheapest (and not worse) Search the Swim server in http://www.xnet.com/~blatura/linapps.shtml or with your favorite search engine Regards, Ulisses - - Computers are useless. They can only give answers.Pablo Picasso -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: latin1 Comment: PGP public key avaliable at http://www.rediris.es/cert/keyserver iQB1AwUBNQAzTA/N+5+NQ63pAQEJEAL/cboVmHVBWnSHz586y8UaosH5h3uhACxz acQ11pQ0jsfBQpk0ECkjNUu9fT0/Xr2AT+xMaYsJP94JEWrplPTEdBz7P5Bx1jjo pkr7kr2vGbQms8KvuUpQ7GVqQeLgPmCf =moQX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] KDE for libc6. motif for libc6
Also where can I buy (inexpensively) a version of Motif 2.1 (devel and binaries) that is compiled for libc6. And will it work when the latest version of the gnu compiler 2.8.0 (or egcc) will become standard? You'll be OK with any compiler. As for Motif, there is a definite leader, Metrolink. Go to www.metrolink.com. It is not inexpensive though. (There is a little trick which will allow to pay much less - trade in option). Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
sendmail queueing problem
I seem to have a problem with my sendmail configuration. In upgrading from bo (sendmail 8.8.5) to hamm (8.8.8), incoming AND outgoing mail seems to be getting queued for delivery. The behavior under 8.8.5 was to try to establish a TCP/SMTP connection as soon as mail was sent out, or came in, and it got queued only of the TCP connection could not be immediately established. That's good behavior. When I sent mail, it went out immediately if my dialup connection was up. When I used fetchmail to grab my mail, it was delivered to my mailbox immediately. Now in both cases the mail gets queued and it can be up to thirty minutes before it is processed (according to /etc/init.d/sendmail). I don't want to lower this value because it's a reasonable value for when I'm not dialed in. So how can I get sendmail to attempt delivery immediately when a message is queued, and *then* wait if the delivery fails? Initially I just let the sendmail installer convert my existing .m4 file into a sendmail.cf, but I ran sendmailconfig again recently to see if perhaps my .m4 had been wrong somehow, or to see if the sendmailconfig prompts had changes, but they haven't. I still have the same problem. Help! -- G. Branden Robinson | We either learn from history or, Purdue University | uh, well, something bad will happen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Bob Church http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgpHPQlZohns0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Adding users [useradd]
useradd is working exactly as documented and intended (man useradd). Use adduser instead. That was it... but when I went to use that command this morning, adduser was not there? I guess I reinstalled it. At any rate all is fine. Thanks! --Jay -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Running just an X-server
Also try Reflection by WRQ. I have found it to be very good in the past. Go to http://www.wrq.com and ask for an evaluation copy. John C. Ellingboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are two X-clients for Win. You will find them at 1) www.microimages.com This is a free Win95/NT server. I like it very much. 2) www.orl.com/vnc This server is supposed to be good for NT and OK for 95. I have not tried it yet. Hope this helps M. K. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Erik van der Meulen wrote: I have a small Debian box running as a server in a small network (NT/95). Until now I have done all configuration using a terminal session from the client to the server (which does not have a monitor). I would like to be able access my server with an x-client. All x-servers on the list seem to be dedicated to some graphical device. Is there a minimal installation I could perform which would allow me to have only the daemon on the server and the graphical stuff on the client? Any suggestions greatly appreciated, Erik van der Meulen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CMG Bedrijfsinformatiesystemen B.V. Postbus 91 / 1180 AB / Amstelveen p: 020 503 3000 / f: 020 503 3010 -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Linux on an 8086
Hi everibody! I have got an Olivetti 8086, 1MB RAM, 100MB harddisk, 3.5 floppy. Do you know of a BASIC version of Linux, RedHat or another U*ix dialect that I can install on it? Of course, I do not pretend super graphics, 64 virtual consoles c... Please reply in English, French, German, Italian or Spanish (pick only one choice ;-)) ). Cheers from N Italy! Roberto (¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯) ( ) ( Tonetti.doc, R Tonetti Registered Office: via Roma, 36 ) ( fax, modem: +39 (0)15 985488 13862 BRUSNENGO (BI) ) ( e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Piedmont-- ITALY ) ( ) (¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯) ( Two mysteries shall remain forever unsolved: death and vulgarity. ) ( [OSCAR WILDE] ) (¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯`·.¸_¸.·´¯) -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Linux on an 8086
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Tonetti.doc, R Tonetti wrote: : Hi everibody! : : I have got an Olivetti 8086, 1MB RAM, 100MB harddisk, 3.5 floppy. Do you : know of a BASIC version of Linux, RedHat or another U*ix dialect that I can : install on it? : Of course, I do not pretend super graphics, 64 virtual consoles c... : : Please reply in English, French, German, Italian or Spanish (pick only one : choice ;-)) ). : : Cheers from N Italy! : : Roberto Hmm, I used to have an Olivetti almost exactly like that. Unfortuntely, Linux (and most any other UNIX) requires at least a 386 class processor (yes, I know Linux runs on non-Intel platforms too :). So, your 8086 isn't going to run Linux at all. However, it may run Minix, which is quite basic. There was a version available via ftp - I'll have to scrounge around to see if I still have the ftp site. You could try a net search. -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454 fax: (605) 335-1173 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net PGP Key ID: 0xA33B86E9 - Public key available at keyservers PGP Key fingerprint: CE03 10AF 3281 1858 9D32 C2AB 936D C472 -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 'watching' a file
How can you 'watch' a file as it is being written to? For example, I want to have a script watch a log files for certain information and do something when it sees the information. You can: - tail -f file - less +F file -Jim -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
What does spam-mail mean?
Sorry for what could be considered a very stupid question, but what does spam-mail mean? I've tried to find the word in the dictionnary, but no luck. Could you please define it? TIA, Catalin PS As you probably noticed, I'm not a native English speaker and I'm not very used with the network language either. Catalin M. Popescu, Dermatologist str. Marcu M. Ruxandra 6 bloc A3 sc A ap 17 77306---BUCHAREST, ROMANIA PGP Pub Key ID 14951FAD Tel/Fax: +40 (1) 726 5703 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[OFF-TOPIC] less with built-in grep ?
I am looking for a way to get grep foo bar | less on my screen, when I am already looking at less bar Ideally, this would be some kind of internal less command meaning (only display lines matching 'regexp') With the example above, I suppose I could write some kind of macro, opening shell output, but it gets much more interesting when I am looking at program | less and I do not want to execute program again, and I also want to be able to go back to un-grepped output without executing program again. Is there a neat way of doing this ? For exemple, I saw that there is an xless .deb; is this possible with xless (though I prefer staying in my xterm, of course), or is there something I missed in the less man ? TIA -- #include std-disclaim.hLorens Kockum -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Linux on an 8086
On Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 06:56:56PM +0100, Tonetti.doc, R Tonetti wrote: I have got an Olivetti 8086, 1MB RAM, 100MB harddisk, 3.5 floppy. Do you know of a BASIC version of Linux, RedHat or another U*ix dialect that I can install on it? On Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 12:01:34PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: Unfortuntely, Linux (and most any other UNIX) requires at least a 386 class processor (yes, I know Linux runs on non-Intel platforms too :). So, your 8086 isn't going to run Linux at all. True Linux on intel requires 386 or higher. But, there's ELKS (Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset; http://www.linux.org.uk/ELKS-Home/index.html), and somebody is putting together a distribution for it. HTH, Ray -- Tevens ben ik van mening dat Nederland overdekt dient te worden. -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Apache modules and Debian
Thanks to any and all that replied, but I found the answer my own stupid self. it seems that I needed to get the apache-dev package (the Configuration file is located within the /usr/include/apache along with the other source files that I need to do a 'make' on. Still trying to work out the kinks, but I think I'm on the right track now. On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Adam Edwards wrote: At 03:33 PM 3/4/98 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deletia The compilation process apparently involves making changes to a Configuration file, but I've yet to discover what file this is. I could be WAY off but I beleive the prog to modify the configuration is simply apacheconfig. Please help!!! Word of Warning. I've only been using Debian since list Friday so it's REALLY possible I'm wrong here. :) Later, A Robert Joyal | Peabody Institute Library Head of Technical Services| Peabody, Massachusetts [EMAIL PROTECTED]| *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: What does spam-mail mean?
Sorry for what could be considered a very stupid question, but what does spam-mail mean? I've tried to find the word in the dictionnary, but no luck. Could you please define it? Spam is unsolicited commercial e-mail; i.e., when you get ads for pornographic videos and website hosting in your mailbox. -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] less with built-in grep ?
With the example above, I suppose I could write some kind of macro, opening shell output, but it gets much more interesting when I am looking at program | less and I do not want to execute program again, and I also want to be able to go back to un-grepped output without executing program again. You can type |grep xxx | less, and this will open a sub-less with the grep output in it. To get back to the ungrepped file, just quit from the sub-less. AFAIK there's no builtin support for this. -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Hamm bug: syslog() does not work together with libstdc++
I'm writing a C++ program that has to use the syslog facility. The
development environment is Debian hamm with libc6 version 2.0.7pre1-2 and
libg++272 version 2.7.2.8-0.1.
If I link my C++ program without any g++ libraries syslog works.
If I link my C++ program with '-lstdc++' syslog does not work at all...
Here is a sample program I wrote to demonstrate the bug :
test-syslog.cc:
#include syslog.h
int main(int argc, char **argv) {
if (argc == 1)
return 0;
openlog(argv[0], LOG_PID, 0);
for (++argv ; *argv ; ++argv)
syslog(LOG_LOCAL0 | LOG_NOTICE, *argv);
return 0;
}
If it is compiled with 'gcc -o test-syslog test-syslog.cc' the program
will correctly write its parameters to the syslog files.
If I use the command 'gcc -o test-syslog test-syslog.cc -lstdc++' it
won't...
Can anyone tell me where the problem is and how I can solve it? Is this a
libc6 or libg++ bug?
Thanks.
--
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Administrateur Reseau
Publicis Technology
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Re: sendmail queueing problem
Hi, Firstly, your sendmail.mc file would help. Conversly, look for the following in sendmail.cf (this is what it should be) # default delivery mode O DeliveryMode=background This could also be ^Od. in sendmail.cf, for us oldtimers who like sendmail.cf syntax, where the . is one of i b q d. You want it to be b. If you insist on using the m4 sendmail.mc file ;-) # set default delivery method to background, not queued, or deferred. define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `background') See? That wasn't so hard, was it? manoj -- If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets. David Bedno ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Smail/Sendmail Question
Hi, Graham == Graham Lillico +44 1785 248131 Graham writes: Graham Hello, I was wondering if the following is possible using Graham either Smail or Sendmail, Simple in sendmail. Graham What I want to do is to use smail or sendmail mail to deliver Graham my internet email, The problem I have is that I need one of Graham these packages to deliver any local mail or network mail to Graham the appropriate user/server, but to queue all internet email Graham until my dialup connection is established using ppp, I also Graham need smail or sendmail to change the from address of the Graham email to the address of my internet email account, (i.e. email Graham bound for the internet needs the From address changed from Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is my Linux box to Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] my internet email account). Graham Is this possible? if so how. __ OSTYPE(debian)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl define(`confDELIVERY_MODE', `queue') MAILER(local)dnl MAILER(smtp)dnl Cwinternet.com MASQUERADE_AS(internet.com)dnl __ Put that in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc. Add in any other neat features. I also like -- FEATURE(use_cw_file)dnl FEATURE(use_ct_file)dnl FEATURE(redirect)dnl define(`confME_TOO', True)dnl # anti spam hacks, but these need external files to be set up, so use # with care HACK(use_ip) HACK(check_rcpt4) HACK(check_mail2) -- Graham Also is smail the default mail daemon of Debian? if so then Graham using the default mail daemon would be preferable. Yes, it is. OOOps. Sorry, I do not do smail. manoj -- Saint: A dead sinner revised and edited. Ambrose Bierce Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [Q] KDE for libc6. motif for libc6
On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Vladislav Papayan x285 wrote: Hello, does any one know where from I can dowload (if it exists) the latest version of KDE (I think it is Beta 3) that is compiled for libc6? I asked the same question a short time ago and got no answe. But here are a couple of ideas: a) compile it yourself. The package maintainer gave me a bit of a hint that, if one wants to go this route, then it would be helpful to install a package that can be found under 'ftp.debs.fuller.edu:/debs/kde4debian_0.3_all.deb' - this provides Debian files in addition to the standard KDE installation. b) get the libc6 RedHat packages, convert to .deb's and install those. --- Roy Bixler The University of Chicago Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: sendmail queueing problem
On Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 12:49:27PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Firstly, your sendmail.mc file would help. Conversly, look for the following in sendmail.cf (this is what it should be) # default delivery mode O DeliveryMode=background That's what it says. I don't understand what is causing this behavior. -- G. Branden Robinson | Purdue University |Music is the brandy of the damned. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- George Bernard Shaw http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/ | pgpRyB5KnP177.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Unicode Support
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is substantial wide character support in the GNU LIBC 2. That will be in Debian 2.0 . There is unicode support in the console driver in the yet-unreleased Linux 2.1 kernel, although it seems to be mapping a 256-glyph code-page to Unicode, it is not making the entire Unicode set available via the console driver. I don't know about X, but of course any serious use of Unicode should be happening within X. The 2.0 kernel already has support for unicode, but the main problem is the kbd package, which is a bit limitted in this respect. You may want to have a look at console-tools, at sunsite in linux/system/keyboards/, to get better command-line support for unicode. I wrote a little primer about unicode, which is included in console-tools. -- Yann Dirson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Stop making M$-Bill richer richer, alt-email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | support Debian GNU/Linux: debian-email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | more powerful, more stable ! http://www.a2points.com/homepage/3475232 | Check http://www.debian.org/ -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: sendmail queueing problem
Hi, Umm, if DeliveryMode is set correctly, then I have no idea, based on the information presented. I have dial on demand, and any mail send pulls up the PPP connection. Maybe filing a bug is the appropriate step? manoj -- /* we have tried to make this normal case as abnormal as possible */ --Larry Wall in cmd.c from the perl source code Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
ftape-module-2.0.32 compatible with 2.0.33
Hi, I am running hamm with 2.0.33 kernel. However I need a newer ftape version, as provided by ftape-module-2.0.32_3.04d-2. Can I use this package for 2.0.33 also by copying the corresponding .o files from lib/modules/2.0.32/misc to lib/modules/2.0.33/misc. Any different solution? Or do I have to wait for a newer ftape-module package? Thanks, Stefan Ratschan -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: sendmail queueing problem
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to have a problem with my sendmail configuration. In upgrading from bo (sendmail 8.8.5) to hamm (8.8.8), incoming AND outgoing mail seems to be getting queued for delivery. Yes, I noticed this too. Add the following to your /etc/mail/sendmail.mc: define(`confCON_EXPENSIVE', `False') .. then re-run `sendmailconfig' Mike. -- Miquel van Smoorenburg | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Luck is when preparation meets opportunity -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
