.emacs
Buenas. Todavía tengo la Debian 1.3.1 (a la espera de que me llegue de una maldita vez la 2.0), y utilizo xemacs. Resulta que en el apartado Options pongo el entorno a mi gusto, pero luego, cada vez que arranco, me aparece tal cual, sin ningún cambio, vamos, que pasando olímpicamente del .emacs o .xemacs. ¿Alguna sugerencia, por favor? Gracias por todo. Have a nice day ;-) TooManySecrets -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Paginador para man
On Sun, Aug 02, 1998 at 08:43:48AM +0200, Angel Vicente Perez wrote: ¿Alguien sabe donde o como se configura el man, para que utilice less como paginador? Ya ví las otras respuestas, pero si eres root (como quien dice, es tu maquina) y quieres que el cambio sea global, es decir, para todos los usuarios, cambia la liga pager en /etc/alternatives rm /etc/alternatives/pager ln -s /usr/bin/less /etc/alternatives/pager De lo contrario, puedes hacer como dicen para poner la variable de entorno PAGER=less Saludos Roberto Ruiz -- Never trust an operating system you don't have source for! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: only root can hear sound..?
On Sun, Aug 02, 1998 at 10:08:30PM +0200, Peter Granroth wrote: try 'chmod a+rw /dev/dsp' as root Better solution is to adduser username audio to add them to the audio group (this is the correct solution). Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Virtual Desktop in X HELP
Rick Smith wrote: Hi As you will get form this I am definatley a NEWBIE, I am having a problem shutting off the Virtual desktop in X I just want all my desktop in one viewing area... I am running a Diamond 3d2000 and a Princeton monitor (ultra 15) amd I am using th eSVGA Xserver.. All help will be greatley appreciated! Rick Smith -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null I think hat you want to do is edit our XF86Config File (find it in /etc/X11). You need to find the 'screen' section. In this section there is a subsection for each colour depth (eg, 8, 15 and 16 bpp etc.). For each of the colour depths thee will be a line that says 'virtual 1024 768'. The numbers may be different in your case, but they are what you want to change. Set the Virtual size to the largest size listed on the Modes line and that should give you what you want. You can also change modes by pressing 'Ctrl Alt +or-' , but use the + and - keys on the number pad. Hope this helps. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Diamond Supra Express PNP internal modem , Linux , and you.
I have a 336pnp supra interal that works, but I bought a PCI 56k that didn't. Be sure to through look at the box and on the internet at the requirements if WIN95 is required appears anywhere DON'T GET IT it's a win modem and has crappy software to replace parts of hardware and the software is only availbe with win95. The rule of thumb is if you get it make sure a pnp bios can find the card and configure it. If it doesn't do that the modem is probably win95 hardware. Philip Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone please tell me if it is possible to use above modem with Linux. Thank you for your assistance. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- _ _ \ \ From Witomatic Keep, / \_\ | Home of Witwerg the Sage | //o_/ | -- | \ \_/ Weilding GCC and Linux 2.0.33 \ \_Tschuss! Auf Wiedsehen! -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: PLIP Connection to Win95
Dave, I've never tried using plip to connect Linux to Windows, so I don't know if any of this will help or not. I'm no expert on networking, but I do have plip working between two Debian 2.0 machines and, for reference, here's my config files. I have plip compiled as a module: /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost.pfeifer.home localhost 192.168.1.1 newdebian.pfeifer.home newdebian 192.168.1.2 olddebian.pfeifer.home olddebian /etc/networks localnet 127.0.0.0 pfeifer.home 192.168.1.0 /etc/init.d/network ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 route add -net 127.0.0.0 ifconfig plip1 192.168.1.1 pointopoint 192.168.1.2 up route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev plip1 The last two lines in /etc/init.d/network can also just be entered manually from the command line to bring up the interface. When the plip interface is up, my ifconfig output for plip looks like this: plip1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FC:FC:C0:A8:01:01 inet addr:192.168.1.1 P-t-P:192.168.1.2 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Collisions:0 Interrupt:7 Base address:0x378 the output of route -evn looks like this: Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 1500 0 0 plip1 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 3584 0 0 lo and a ping to the other machine looks like this: PING olddebian.pfeifer.home (192.168.1.2): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=4.6 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=4.4 ms Tom David Karlin wrote: I have two boxes; call them lin and win. hostnameip address netmask lin 192.168.0.5 255.255.255.0 win 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 I believe that win's network adapter has been properly configured; It can ping it's loopback and its network adapter. After reading the NAG manual section on PLIP connections, I booted lin and did the following: #ifconfig (info on lo displayed; all looked good.) #route add default gw 192.168.0.1 SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable. I also tried: #route add 192.168.0.5and #route add -net 192.168.0.0 Both of these commands yielded the same error msg. This is especially annoying since, while fooling with configuration a few nights ago, lin was able to successfully ping win (although, at that point win was unable to ping lin). Can anyone figure out how to fix this? Thanks for taking the time to read this (yes, I'm a Linux newbie). -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: sh -- ash problems (was Re: Output of Anacron job)
*- Deniz Dogan wrote about sh -- ash problems (was Re: Output of Anacron job) | Hi, | | Alexander == Alexander Yukhimets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Alexander Hi, probably as a result of the fact that I have sh - | Alexander ash symlink now instead of sh - bash, I got the | Alexander following email today: | | Alexander Subject: Output of Anacron job `cron.weekly' Date: Sun, 2 | Alexander Aug 1998 09:10:44 -0400 | | Alexander usage: kill [-l] [-sig] pid ... | | Same here. | | And these are the problems I have so far: | | When I`m offline: | $ poff | usage: kill [-l] [-sig] pid ... | | dselect -- Install: | | Updating package status cache...done | Checking system integrity...ok | The following packages have been kept back | lsof bzip2 xlib6 metamail svgalibg1 ircii xbase login xlib6g-dev xaw3dg | ncurses-base xfnt75 xfntbase libg++27 xmanpages gettext xserver-s3 dpkg-ftp | xfnt100 emacs20-el emacs20 ncurses-bin libc5 ncurses3.4 | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded. | Press enter to continue. | read: arg count | | installation script returned error exit status 2. | Press RETURN to continue. | These are bugs. They are using 'bashisms' in a script that starts with #!/bin/sh instead of #!/bin/bash. This has been discussed HEAVELY this last week on debian-devel. The apt bug has been fixed, look for a updated package in slink or Incoming. Not sure of the lpd one, check the Bug Tracking System and file a bug against it if it has not been reported yet. For a quick fix you can change the offending script to call /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh. -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Using dialog
*- Johann Spies wrote about Using dialog | I want to try out dialog and have read the man page. But I still do not | know how to use it. Can somebody send me an example please? | The dunc package requires it so you could install that package and look at its scripts. There is dialog replacement called whiptail that is supposed to be more powerful. The pppconfig and modconf packages use it so you could look at those packages for examples. -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Debian 2.0 upgrade didn't work
I am trying to upgrade to Debian 2.0 via ftp. I ran the autoup.sh script and everything was fine. Then I fired up dselect to update all my packages. That is where everything fell apart. I selected all the packages in dselect that I wanted but it errored everytime dselect tried to get one of the packages. I hit ctrl-c and now when I go in to dselect it shows all the packages as being installed already. My questions are: 1) How do I get dselect to stop showing the required packages that I need to update as already being installed? 2) What are the settings that I need to use in dselect to get the packages that I need below is my dselect configurations? Enter ftp site [ftp.debian.org]: Use passive mode [y]: Enter username [anonymous]: If you are using anonymous ftp to retrieve files, enter your email address for use as a password. Otherwise enter your password, or ? if you want dpkg-ftp to prompt you each time. Enter password [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Enter debian directory [/debian]: Go through an authenticated FTP proxy [n]: Note: order here is important. Package files are scanned in order so later distributions will override earlier ones. So put stable before unstable. Enter space seperated list of distributions to get [hamm/hamm]: Enter directory to download binary package files to (relative to /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/) [/packages]: -- Thanks, Keith MCNE You only get one chance at life, but if you do it right, you only need one. Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://www.naples.net/~nfn11988/linux -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
dselect after upgrade does not work
I read in the Debian User archive that you were or are having the same problem that I am having. I upgraded to Debian 2.0 and when I try and get the packages to upgrade it says the following for every file. getting: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/editors/nvi_1.79-5.deb (199078) dists/stable/main/binary-i386/editors/nvi_1.79-5.deb: No such file or directory. Did you ever resolve this problem? -- Thanks, Keith MCNE You only get one chance at life, but if you do it right, you only need one. Debian GNU/Linuxhttp://www.naples.net/~nfn11988/linux -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Nedit, Revisited...
I've reviewed my past six months worth of the list that I have archived here, and I find a few mentions of problems with this editor, but no solutions. Here's what's happening for me: (I be running a new install of hamm, done from scratch with 2.0beta CD's. Running NEdit in AfterStep, both from hamm .deb's.) 1) PgUp and PgDn keys don't work. PgDn acts similarly to the 'End' key, bringing the cursor to the end of the current line. These keys work in other editors, XEmacs to name one. 2) Nedit vaporizes when I select from the File menu, Open Previous, but _only_ if the editor is launched with no filename. So, 'nedit bob.txt' (or any other file operation, apparently) will enable one to use the Open Previous menu (the .neditdb file seems ok), but just 'nedit' puts the thing in a condition such that choosing 'Open Previous' sends it to some parallel universe. Here's the message when this happens (it's all Greek to me): X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 12 (X_ConfigureWindow) Value in failed request: 0x0 Serial number of failed request: 3248 Current serial number in output stream: 3267 3) I went to the Fermi Lab ftp site and grabbed the latest binary there, but it wouldn't run, complaining of not being able to load libXpm.so.4, if I recall arightly. 'ldconfig -v' shows this lib clearly available, so have I stumbled onto a glibc compatibility problem there? (I ask because I used the binaries from that site for a long time in bo with no problems.) TIA, as usual, for any light shed on these matters. At least we're not talking about the dress. g -n--e--u--t--r--i--n--of--e--v--e--r--! Bob Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.brainiac.com/bernie at (Un-NoSpam me) Esmond, R.I. ftp://rupturedduck.dyn.ml.org (sometimes) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Debian 2.0 upgrade didn't work
On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Keith wrote: I am trying to upgrade to Debian 2.0 via ftp. I ran the autoup.sh script and everything was fine. Then I fired up dselect to update all my packages. That is where everything fell apart. I selected all the packages in dselect that I wanted but it errored everytime dselect tried to get one of the packages. I hit ctrl-c and now when I go in to dselect it shows all the packages as being installed already. My questions are: 1) How do I get dselect to stop showing the required packages that I need to update as already being installed? Are you sure that is what is shown? If so, the first field will show space*** If anything else is shown, such as spaceU**, spacespace**, they are not installed. You can check further by issuing 'dpkg -l package_name' and if the package is install, it will say 'ii'. 2) What are the settings that I need to use in dselect to get the packages that I need below is my dselect configurations? Enter ftp site [ftp.debian.org]: Use passive mode [y]: Enter username [anonymous]: If you are using anonymous ftp to retrieve files, enter your email address for use as a password. Otherwise enter your password, or ? if you want dpkg-ftp to prompt you each time. Enter password [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Enter debian directory [/debian]: Go through an authenticated FTP proxy [n]: Note: order here is important. Package files are scanned in order so later distributions will override earlier ones. So put stable before unstable. Enter space seperated list of distributions to get [hamm/hamm]: dists/stable Enter directory to download binary package files to (relative to /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/) [/packages]: main contrib non-free Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile
Hi, I need to compile the 2.0.31 kernel. Unfortunately there is not a debian package for the 2.0.31 kernel, so I downloaded the upstream version, unpacked it into /usr/local/src, created links and followed the instructions for make-kpkg in order to make a kernel image package. Unfortunately it didn't compile, coming up with compile errors such as /usr/include/sys/types.h:45: conflicting types for `mode_t' /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:12: previous declaration of `mode_t' /usr/include/time.h:66: warning: redefinition of `clock_t' /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:50: warning: `clock_t' previously declared here There are a number of such error messages. I don't know what to do here! Can anyone help? Thanks, Mark. __ _\/___\__/___Mark_Phillips___/ \__/_\__/--\__/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ \__/HE___\__/--APTAIN/ \__/_\__/--\__/__/ /__To be is to do.__I. Kant___/ \__/__\__/___/ /__To do is to be.__A. Sartre_/ /__I am.God___/ /__Jesus did.___/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
FTP not working properly? deselect
Having same problem here... whats the matter with the FTP sites??? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Drive mounting
I don't know anything about the EtherPCI II card itself, but I have an EtherPCI card working with the Tulip driver. I don't know what the difference between my EtherPCI and your EtherPCI II is. If they are really similar, yours might work with the Tulip driver. On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Cristov Russell wrote: One more. I have a Linksys EtherPCI II Lan card in my system. They say that I should choose the NE2000 driver. When I choose the driver and try to install it, setup says that the I/O address must be specified. I know what IRQ (9) the card is using and I can look in Windows for the I/O settings it's using (6400 starting) but I still can't install the driver. Any suggestions? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
I didn't ever notice an announcement of the release of Debian 2.0 on Linux Announce (apart from the beta announcement). Maybe I just missed it --- did someone see it? Just thought I'd mention it because we do want people to know about it I think! Cheers, Mark. __ _\/___\__/___Mark_Phillips___/ \__/_\__/--\__/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ \__/HE___\__/--APTAIN/ \__/_\__/--\__/__/ /__To be is to do.__I. Kant___/ \__/__\__/___/ /__To do is to be.__A. Sartre_/ /__I am.God___/ /__Jesus did.___/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
dpkg instead of dselect - how?
It is said that we can bypass dselect and the boot disks completely and install a Debian system using only dpkg and its friends, but I couldn't find any documentation on this anywhere... Can anyone give me some hints/links on this? I'm trying to learn it the hard way, by reading the sources and doing some experiments (which include trying to patch dselect to make it report all its calls to dpkg), but I feel I may be missing something obvious... I'm using Debian 1.3.1, I have three bootable partitions (two Debian, one RedHat 4.2 -- I tried 5.1, but it had some pathetic bugs; that was the reason I decided to change to Debian), and other partitions with /home and other big things, including a copy of the Debian-1.3.1 CD, as my CD-ROM drive is very slow (2x). Any hint is very welcome. Thanks in advance, Eduardo Ochs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
modprobe error
I added sound to my /etc/modules file so it would load at boot time, but I get this error: modprobe: no dependency information for module: /lib/modules/2.0.34/misc/sound.o I've done a make modules and modules_install as well as install when I compiled my kernel. I even tried it by itself. When I did a make modules_install though, I noticed that it didn't appear to look at the sound module, but I could be wrong. Can anyone help me out? |-| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Role-Player, Babylon 5 fanatic 1997-98 | |-| | Homepage: www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/ratirh (Careful it's not completed) | |-| | The past brings pain, the future depression, | | the present disappointment. The only thing that remains is the moment.| | Live for the moment, and enjoy life. You only have one chance. | |-| -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
emacs !!
Please could anyone tell me how to get emacs to wrap at column 132 .. also, where exactly does one change the color coding for the keyword highlighting? Thanks \ regards -- Jonathan Lawson Thermal Processes Unit Department of Applied Energy and Optical Diagnostics School of Mechanical Engineering, Cranfield University, Cranfield, Bedford. UK. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'They came forth from unholy darknesses ... and were driven back by the rage of Angels' -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
whiptail
Hi, Someone just referenced a package called whiptail as a replacement to dialog .. Could you please let me know where I can pick up the sources? I would like to take a look at it also Thanks \ regards -- Jonathan Lawson Thermal Processes Unit Department of Applied Energy and Optical Diagnostics School of Mechanical Engineering, Cranfield University, Cranfield, Bedford. UK. email [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'They came forth from unholy darknesses ... and were driven back by the rage of Angels' -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
X server problem?
I'm trying to run a game called Maelstrom, and I can load it when not in X. When I'm in X though, I get this error: X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) Major opcode of failed request: 129 (MIT-SHM) Minor opcode of failed request: 3 (X_ShmPutImage) Serial number of failed request: 96 Current serial number in output stream: 97 I tried running it as root and I got this error: Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server X: Can't open display... I'm running XF86_S3V because I have a s3 virge dx video card. I've run this game in debian 1.3 with no problems. I did not use the FX86S3V xserver though. I used SVGA xserver, I believe. I noticed when I load the game in a normal concole (not in X) i tsays it's connecting to svgalib. Does this have something to do with my problem in X? |-| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Role-Player, Babylon 5 fanatic 1997-98 | |-| | Homepage: www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/ratirh (Careful it's not completed) | |-| | The past brings pain, the future depression, | | the present disappointment. The only thing that remains is the moment.| | Live for the moment, and enjoy life. You only have one chance. | |-| -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
netinit headers
Hello! I'm in need of netinet/ip_tcp.h, netinet/ip_udp.h, netinet/protocols.h. Which package are these in? TIA -- -Josh Co-Admin of California.ZUH.net (Azog) ..and always remember...arf is god spelled funny. Never allow yourself to become too attached to someone, because they'll just rip your heart out and stomp it into the ground. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
smbmount and Windows NT Workstation
Question I've been doing a little research and smbmount looks like it is going to do what I want. I want to make a sharepoint on my NT workstation Sp3 accessable under a directory on my Debian linux machine(Hamm) just like a fdd or a cdrom. Now my question I've got everything installed it requires, the docs are a little vague and I haven't been able to find anything looking through mailing list archives or just using a search engine. Heres what I have tried smbmount //server/sharepoint /mnt -U anyone But this doesn't work Now smbclient '\\server\sharepoint -U anyone This works great. Anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong? Thanks -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
change from fvwm95 to kde?
I installed Debian 2.0 with fvwm95 as the window manager. I'd now like to use kde. I installed all the packages and am able to run kde, but it seems to be running on top of fvwm95. How can I change the window manager to kde? Where is the window manager invoked? Thanx in advance. Ed -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: change from fvwm95 to kde?
On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Edward J Young wrote: I installed Debian 2.0 with fvwm95 as the window manager. I'd now like to use kde. I installed all the packages and am able to run kde, but it seems to be running on top of fvwm95. How can I change the window manager to kde? Where is the window manager invoked? It's on /etc/X11/window-managers. I tried KDE Beta4 debianized by a KDE developer. It's quite good but I have to invoke KDE in /etc/X11/window-managers. try to edit that file and put: /usr/X11R6/startkde on the first line Thanx in advance. Ed -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null /\ Richard L. Alhama, Technical Support / \--, .o` /= ,,'' \/ Cyberspace Laoag,ISP ``,,http://www2.cyberspace.com.ph/~keyoz Overuse of the smiley is a mark of loserhood! --The Jargon File *'' -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Which printer do you recommend?
On Sat, 1 Aug 1998, Michael Stone wrote: Quoting Peter Granroth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I have one Linux machine and five Win95 machines networked. I want to attach a printer to my Linux machine and shared among them. Can someone recommend a printer for this configuration? Depends on how much you want to spend, what performance you need and if you need color. If you have modest performance needs and no need for color, I can recommend HP Laserjet 6L or something such. I have on of I agree wholeheartedly; if you don't want color, you should definately get a laser. The consumables are a _lot_ less expensive, the printouts look better, and they come out faster. I've had a laserjet 4l for four years, and it's never given me any trouble. If you care to spend the money, a postscript printer is ideal for unix, but you can get by with ghostscript as long as you get a fairly mainstream printer. I have a HP Laserjet 5L and have used it for about two and a half years now. For the last few months I experienced a lot of paper feed problems and I once had to take it to an agent to clean the paper out sensor which because of dirt did not function properly. Johann -- | Johann Spies Windsorlaan 19 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]3201 Pietermaritzburg | | Tel/Faks Nr. +27 331-46-1310 Suid-Afrika (South Africa) | -- All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; II Timothy 3:16 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George The problem with the current versioning system is that people George look at Debian 2.0 and Red Hat 5.x and S.u.S.E 5.x and George Slackware 3.x and figure Debian is seriously lagging when it George is not.I have had people tell me that they are using Red Hat George because it is at 5.2 while Debian is still only at 2.0. The George perception is that Red Hat is better even though it is George usually not as well tested. The current method might be George better in a technical way but as far as public relations and George such go, it really sucks. I think I am really grateful for not having people like that trying Debian; it only increases the support headaches later on. Any one who is, umm, challenged, enough to make any technical decision based on version numbering would probably find Debian is not the right distribution for them. manoj -- It is better to have tried and failed than to have failed to try, but the result's the same. Mike Dennison Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile
Hi, Mark == Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark I need to compile the 2.0.31 kernel. Unfortunately there is Mark not a debian package for the 2.0.31 kernel, so I downloaded the Mark upstream version, unpacked it into /usr/local/src, created Mark links What links did you create? Please uncreate those links and try again, I fear that may be part of the problem. Mark and followed the instructions for make-kpkg in order to Mark make a kernel image package. Unfortunately it didn't compile, Mark coming up with compile errors such as Mark /usr/include/sys/types.h:45: conflicting types for `mode_t' Mark /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:12: previous declaration Mark of `mode_t' Something is seriously wrong here. The kernel is supposed to be a self contained syste; it shpuld not be linking with any header files outside of the kernel source tree. manoj -- Natural selection won't matter soon, not anywhere as much as conscious selection. We will civilize and alter ourselves to suit our ideas of what we can be. Within one more human lifespan, we will have changed ourselves unrecognizably. Greg Bear Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
installation on a thinkpad 770ed
hello- i'm trying to install debian on a thinkpad 770 ed w/o much success. below are some of the various things i've tried: w/ the july 21st vanilla disks, i get the typical infinite reboot loop reported for many a toshiba and thinkpad -- so i gave the tecra disks a try. the result is that i get: 'a20 gating failed' i've also tried specifying: floppy=thinkpad but this doesn't help either. i compiled a zImage on another debian machine and used loadlin to boot from a floppy (i replaced the thinkpad's hard drive w/ one that had debian installed on it already). the system booted, but almost nothing appears on the screen -- i get an occasional cursor. the reason i could tell that the system had booted was that i was able to ssh into the machine. another thing i tried was to replace 'linux' on the rescue disk w/ the zimage that i had compiled on another machine (renamed to 'linux' of course) -- this time the rescue floppy disk booted up to mounting the root filesystem read-only -- after which i got something like: 'unable to open initial console' any help on this would be appreciated. -sen -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
Manoj Srivastava wrote: I think I am really grateful for not having people like that trying Debian; it only increases the support headaches later on. Any one who is, umm, challenged, enough to make any technical decision based on version numbering would probably find Debian is not the right distribution for them. I have to wonder why such people bother with linux (2.0) when there are such obviously numerically superior os's out there like, say, windows (95). -- see shy jo -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
George Bonser wrote: Some of these people are highly skilled Solaris system administrators that do not understand the concept of the different distributions and versioning until I explain it to them. All they know at first glance is Debian is shipping 2.0 Linux while Red Hat is shipping 5.2 Linux so they think Debian is sorely out of date. After they've been using linux a while, they will become better informed, try debian for kicks, and stick with it. Are you proposing we make debian's revision be = $(current_redhat_revision).($debian_revision)? It nearly sounds that way. Or do you prefer just 10$(current_debian_revision) Debian has no clear rule on what constitutes a major version ... it is subjective and arbitrary. Of course it's subjective and arbitrary! A major release is just when you want to say to the world, look what we've done, it's so much better than what we had before! Everyone, you have to upgrade and come try it!. We don't need to write rules to govern this, it's very clear when we feel that way. -- see shy jo -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
George Bonser wrote: I suppose the Linux Standard Base will provide common versioning over distributions and take care of this problem. I fear that it will end up being Red Hat driven, though. I would be very scared if the LSB went into such a level of detail and tried to dictatte to much to the maintainers of a distribution. Our version number is our business, not the LSB's. -- see shy jo -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Kernel panic
I'm trying to install Debian 2.0 (Beta) from CheapBytes cdrom.
Everything works except I can't boot from hard disk.
I've copied my previous Debian 1.3 installation to another computer and
started from scratch, maintaning the same partitioning and reformatting
them.
My computer has three HD's and a IDE ATAPI CdRom: a Quantum Fireball 6.4
on hda (booting Win95), a Seagate Medalist ST36531A on hdb1 (mounted on
/home), a Western Digital WD3400L on hdc (hdc1 on / , a swap hdc2 and
hdc3 on /usr).
First partition on hdc is 70.88 MB and toggled bootable.
When I tried to boot from HD I got this message(the last and frozen
screen):
Partition check
hda: hda1 hda2
hdb: hdb: set_multmode: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}
hdb: set_multmode: error=0x04 {DriveStatusError}
hdb1
hdc: [PTBL] [969/128/63] hdc1 hdc2 hdc3
attempt to access beyond end of device
03:03: rw=0, want=2, limit=0
EXT2_fs:unable to read superblock
attempt to access beyond end of device
03:03: rw=0, want=2, limit=0
MINIX_fs:unable to read superblock
attempt to access beyond end of device
03:03: rw=0, want=2, limit=0
FAT bread failed
attempt to access beyond end of device
03:03: rw=0, want=2, limit=0
isofs_read_super: bread failed, de 03:03 iso_blknum 16 block 32
Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root on 03:03
If I booted from floppy everything worked well. Then I tried to copy my
original lilo.conf from my previous Debian 1.3 (it was working fine in
this same machine, same partitioning scheme! And with the same
DriveReady SeekComplete Error for hdb...) and rerun lilo. This was the
mesage:
Warning: Bios drive 0x82 may not be accessible
Warning: Bios drive 0x82 may not be accessible
Added Win95*
Warning: Bios drive 0x82 may not be accessible
Added Linux
Warning: Bios drive 0x82 may not be accessible
Added Linux_2
And obviously I can boot only from floppy.
I think it's quite strange. Anyone can *help me*?
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Instituto Astronomico e Geofisico
Universidade de Sao Paulo
Brasil
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Re: dselect after upgrade does not work
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith) writes: I read in the Debian User archive that you were or are having the same problem that I am having. I upgraded to Debian 2.0 and when I try and get the packages to upgrade it says the following for every file. getting: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/editors/nvi_1.79-5.deb (199078) dists/stable/main/binary-i386/editors/nvi_1.79-5.deb: No such file or directory. The correct setting for dpkg-ftp should be: $ftpsite='ftp.debian.org'; $ftpdir='/debian'; $distribs='dists/stable/main dists/stable/contrib dists/stable/non-free'; -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
George Bonser wrote: No, LSB would not dictate Debian's version but Debian could say that Debian-2.0 is LSB-1.2 compliant and someone looking at Red Hat 5.2 might see that it, too, is LSB-1.2 compliant and get the idea that both are roughly equal. Someone might today, see that both debian and redhat contain kernel 2.0 and draw the conclusion they are both about equally up-to-date. Both distributions mentinn which kernel they contain in press releases and ads and so on. The fact that some people don't make this connection doesn't make me optimistic about them being less confused when a third version number is added to the mix. -- see shy jo -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Thanks for Debianized Enlightenment!
Thanks, S. I installed the E WM, and it works fine. ...very easy install via dselect. Now, I'm munging the windows around by trial and error in theme_main.cfg. g You do good work. I downloaded all of the slink packages that were available to replace hamm packages on this box, too. Art On Tue, Jul 28, 1998 at 05:41:54PM -0400, Shaleh wrote: E was not released early enough for hamm inclusion(only a few months too late). E and all needed libs is in slink. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
boot: unable to open initial console
I've moved my old system over to a new hard drive. I thought I was fairly meticulous in copying things over (compared all permissions, ownerships, links and other special files between the two file systems). I edited lilo.conf and fstab, then shutdown, changed the drives master/slave jumpers and rebooted from the rescue floppy. I used the install program to mount all the partitions and to mkswap. Next I switched to the console and copied my kernel to a floppy. Evidently, I have overlooked something. I only get through the first little bit of the boot sequence (I can write out the whole thing , one screen full, if anyone wants it) up to where all the partitions are named and VHS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. thenUnable to open an initial console Does anyone know what I need to do to fix this ? Thanks, Gerald -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
SOLVED: Re: fdisk and fujitsu drives
Got this figured out, sort of. I don't know why, but fdisk seems to act differently for the fujitsu drives as compared to Western Digital, Samsung, Seagate and O'Connor drives I have or have had. I always just accepted defaults for the first cylinder when creating new partitions. Had to explicitly type them out when partitioning the fujitsu. Don't yet have the final word on it working but I am optimistic as there were no warning about bad data starts and partitions not ending on boundaries. Ta. On Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 09:27:44PM -0700, G. Crimp wrote: I've got a 6.4 GB fujitsu drive that I am trying partition. Actually, I had it partitioned, formatted (no reported errors), and file system from an old disk transferred to it. However, I made it the master after the fs transfer, and was using a rescue floppy to boot, mount all the partitions and set up LILO, but LILO setup failed with: Device 0X0300: Invalid partition table, 3rd entry 3D address: 1/0/78 (73710) linear address: 55/11/21 (20592) fdisk reported the first four partitions not ending on cylinder boundaries. Also, the beginning, starting and ending cylinders are all wonky. Eg., begin start end typesize part 11 1 11 native 5M part 240 11 22 native 5M part 379 22 239 native 100M part 4855 239 2859extendd rest of disk part 5855 239 889 native 300M part 61024889 1539native 300M part 7102415392189native 300M part 8202421892623native 200M So, v (verify) gives all kinds of errors (end of cylinders not on boundaries, bad start of data, partitions overlapping). I deleted all the partitions and started over which fixed up the beginning cylinders on parts 1-4 but not the rest. ( I didn't write the partition table so I still have the old setup) QUESTIONS: 1) Does this matter ? (apparently it does to LILO) I was able to mke2fs -c all partitions no problem, and copy over the old file system. and if it does matter, 2a) Anyone know what is causing this ? 2b) I can do to fix it ? I suspect this might be a logical/physical geometry thing. Linux required me to explicitly state the physical geometry of a 1.2 Gig Seagate (now a paper weight) before it would install on it. However, I have a Western Digital 3.1 Gig in another box that Linux happily installed on without the physical parameters. All help appreciated. Thanks, Gerald -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: smbmount and Windows NT Workstation
what I want. I want to make a sharepoint on my NT workstation Sp3 SP3 disables login without encryption Heres what I have tried smbmount //server/sharepoint /mnt -U anyone But this doesn't work Now smbclient '\\server\sharepoint -U anyone I think that you have compiled samba with encrypted passwords. Therefore smbclient uses them too. I'm not sure if smbmount is capable of logging in with Windows NT encrypted passwords (don't think so). If anybody has done this before, please let me know also. I tried it without success. Rene -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George Some of these people are highly skilled Solaris system George administrators that do not understand the concept of the George different distributions and versioning until I explain it to George them. All they know at first glance is Debian is shipping 2.0 George Linux while Red Hat is shipping 5.2 Linux so they think George Debian is sorely out of date. Skilled. Hmm. What version is Solaris? Has it reached 98 yet? Guess they shall move on to become skilled Windows 98 admins then? Would they like us better if we called it version 102.1? Man, that would beat all them operating systems out there. manoj who finds people who look at just version numbers to be like people who believe in horoscopes, -- Like water on a lotus leaf, like a mustard seed on the point of an pin, he who is not stuck to the senses - that is what I call a brahmin. 401 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Joey Hess wrote: I have to wonder why such people bother with linux (2.0) when there are such obviously numerically superior os's out there like, say, windows (95). George I suppose the Linux Standard Base will provide common George versioning over distributions and take care of this George problem. I fear that it will end up being Red Hat driven, George though. Nope, the LSB is not going to determine version numbering. And I vote we go andbeat all them distributions out there. Lets call the next version 1002.1. There. That should convince the world. No wonder we are not world beaters. We just missed out on the version number. Look out, microsoft, here we come. manoj -- Who stole the cork from my breakfast? -- W. C. Fields Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: GNOME 0.20
On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Havoc Pennington wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Richard L. Alhama wrote: How can I make GNOME 0.20 working? I installed all the necessary packages. Now what file do I need to edit? /etc/X11/window-managers or my $HOME/.xinitrc? The apps are working fine (e.g. Eeyes, gnome-help-browser) How did you get gnome to even run? I cannot even install it. dpkg -i gnome-core_0.20-1.deb fails by saying: Reading database ... 21987 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking gnome-core (from gnome-core_0.20-1.deb) ... dpkg: error processing gnome-core_0.20-1.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pixmaps/mailcheck/email.xpm', which is also in package gnome dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: gnome-core_0.20-1.deb The interesting thinh is that do not even have '/usr/share/pixmaps/mailcheck/email.xpm' file in my system. /--/ Daniel J. Mashao Electrical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Cape Town http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel Rondebosch, 7700, S. Africa (w) 27+21+650 2816 (h) 27+21+705 8469 /--/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George People that are not Unix SysAdmin's by trade or hobby are not George going to give a rat's pair of hips what version of libc they George have. People have a job to do that usually does not involve George spending hours of learning a lot of little anal-retentive George details about the inner workings of their systems. Hmm. I call it getting to know the tools of your trade. I would not hire a builder that did not know how to use a saw, or was not at all concerned what size nails they were using. I would not hire a sysadmin who did not learn about the system And nobody is talking about hours of learning when it comes to versioning. However, anyone who balks at learningt is not likely to remain technically current anyway. George There are two choices. Make a techno-geek distribution that George is a maze of details and requires hours of reading and place George a big warning on the website along the lines of Stupid George Windows Users keep the hell out of here, we do not want you George or your silly-assed quaestions (which is what I heard during George the course of this thread) OR you can provide a simple system George of versioning that spceifies compliance to things like the George FHS and LSB that will make things a lot easier for George application providers and users. There are other choices than the extremes you present. Also, I fail to see how a 3 character versioning system has anything to do with being easier to specify compliance to FHS and the LSB than a 5 char numbering system. Oh, you mean that red hat and suse and debian and caldera shall have the same version number? Hah!. There are differences between the distributions. Rather than attempting to hide tem by simplistic subterfuges like giving them the same version number, we should instead be educating the masses. Or else you'll have to field questions like: I bough Linux 3.3.3 from Caldera, and Linux 3.3.3 from Debian, and how come they are not the same? How come Debian does not come with wordperfect? manoj -- We're the weirdest monkeys ever. Karl Lehenbauer Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: GNOME 0.20
On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Daniel Mashao wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Havoc Pennington wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Richard L. Alhama wrote: How can I make GNOME 0.20 working? I installed all the necessary packages. Now what file do I need to edit? /etc/X11/window-managers or my $HOME/.xinitrc? The apps are working fine (e.g. Eeyes, gnome-help-browser) How did you get gnome to even run? I cannot even install it. dpkg -i gnome-core_0.20-1.deb fails by saying: Reading database ... 21987 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking gnome-core (from gnome-core_0.20-1.deb) ... dpkg: error processing gnome-core_0.20-1.deb (--install): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pixmaps/mailcheck/email.xpm', which is also in package gnome dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: gnome-core_0.20-1.deb I installed libgnome first =8) The interesting thinh is that do not even have '/usr/share/pixmaps/mailcheck/email.xpm' file in my system. /\ Richard L. Alhama, Technical Support / \--, .o` /= ,,'' \/ Cyberspace Laoag,ISP ``,,http://www2.cyberspace.com.ph/~keyoz Overuse of the smiley is a mark of loserhood! --The Jargon File *'' -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George THere are still a great many Solaris, HP-UX, and Irix admins George who have heard the word Linux but that is about the extent of George their exposure. Many still laugh with Linux is mentioned. Yes, ignorance is a blight on the world. Idiots abound, too. Not enough reason for us to change our versioning scheme for, so far. George As I mentined earlier, they do not understand at first that George the version numbers are for the distributions, not of Linux George itself. They are used to dealing in a world where things have George particular versions. They know HP-UX 10.20 or Solaris 2.5.1 George but they can not understand different versions of the same OS George being the same until it is explained to them. They would not George understand Sun Solaris at 2.6 and WonderWare Solaris at 4.1. Yes, Yes. But what does this have to do with our versioning? Their ignorance is their cross to bear. George THe next thing out of their mouth is that they wonder how George incompatable the different distributions are and most at that George point dismiss Linux because they just do not have the time to George sort it all out. They are busy and do not intend to become a George hobbyist. If they try Linux, they go with Red Hat because it George is the standard. All other distributions are seen as fringe George efforts by these people. THey look at the commercial George applications providers such as Applix, Informix, etc. and George note that few if any ship other than Red Hat, Caldera, or George S.u.S.E. versions of their applications. Try to talk Debian George to them and they dismiss it saying they just do not have the George time. Wonderful. We shall thank the lord fasting. I am unsure why we need people like that. They vertainly do not seem part of the free software community yet. When they learn better, maybe they too shall come unto the fold. In the meanwhile, red hat may indeed be the better distribution for them. If they fail to investigate before they make a choice, I sure do not want them; they do not sound like they have the time or the inclination to contribute to the community. And this is about community. Market domination is not a goal for me. manoj -- A bit of tolerance is worth a megabyte of flaming. Henry Spencer Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
George Bonser wrote: Let me put it another way. Non-geek calls software vendor to buy WonderWare for Linux. He asks if it will run on his system. The guy asks what version of libc he is using. The non-geek says he has no idea. Vendor asks what the LSB version is and the non-geek says 1.2. Vendor says he must upgrade his system to a LSB-1.3 compliant version and to see his Linux Distribution's website for details. Why do you expect non-geek will know what version of LSB his system complies with? LSB isn't something innately easier for non-geek to comprehend than the libc or kernel version. Remember that the concept of standards is just as foreign to non-geeks as is the concept of kernels. We already advertise our kernel version. If people don't know it, there is no reason to suppose they would know the LSB version if we advertised that. -- see shy jo -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
George Bonser wrote: Never anywhere in any posting did I even imply that. Where do you get this stuff? What I am saying is that they WILL likely conform to some version of LSB in the future. If WonderWare 54.2 is targeted for LSB-2.1 and my Debian-13.2 system is also LSB-2.1 compliant, I know that application will run on my system. If it is not, I can look at a chart that tells me which version of of Debian I should upgrade to. It seems to me that you are changing the course of your argument in mid-stream. You started this thread asking if we could increment the major version number more often. Now you've changed to wanting us to note the LSB version. Once LSB exists and has versions, I'm sure we will. I'm also sure it will do no good. -- see shy jo -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George On 3 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Market domination is not a goal for me. George No, but being able to even be IN the market should be. We have remained alive without having to jump through hoops for lusers so far. manoj if they call me a geek, I call them a luser -- The way of the world is to praise dead saints and prosecute live ones. Nathaniel Howe Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Joey Hess wrote: Why do you expect non-geek will know what version of LSB his system complies with? George Because it would be right on the Debian Website and probably George on the software box. So, until the LSB becomes anything more than vapourware, would keeping the current kernel-source and libc version on the Debian site suffice? Then the looser can look it up (if we are to be reffered to as geeks, I reserve the right to refer to people who call us geeks lusers) just as easily. manoj -- No books are lost by lending except those you particularly want to keep. Alan Atwood Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
On Mon, Aug 03, 1998 at 01:53:07AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Joey Hess wrote: True, but kernel version is not as important as libc version and filesystem layout. Kernel version really means very little. It simply provides an easy method of very basic configuration management. Not detailed ... I would not expect there to be more than a half-dozen things that the LSB should specify ... maybe 10 at most. Well I'm fascinated watching this debate. First, I would like to comment that for some weird reason I do not like version number maniac companies, where the version numbers of programs goes sky high in quite a short term. Major versions every 3-6 months, with little to none core changes. I think even RedHat did it with a little bad taste, they fired the version number into the sky, new minor every 3 months, new major every half year? Uhm, not my style. I won't look forward to RedHat 99. :-o Other part is the kernel you mention. The kernel version IS important. Heck, those non-geeks ask first: Hey, what version of kernel this distro' have? 2.0.34? Naaahhh, it's old, they told me! And regarding this RedHat versions is WY out of range. I think, for a change, you should try to convince RedHat to go back to version 2.0.xx because this matches the kernel. Debian is just okay, v2.0 for the 2.0.xx kernels. :-))) So, there are many factors. You like high version numbers, you like comparable version numbers (I think of StarOffice and micro$oft word here for example), you like a next major version everytime there is more than 10 files changed in the distribution. Debian people seem to like the other way. Small version numbers show that there were few required bugfixes, updated updates, since the distribution is perfect. ;- They raise major _only_ when there was a _major_ change, like libc5-libc6 which could be considered like one. Neither older ones, nor hamm-slink won't be a big leap (unless maybe we'll be fortunate enough to have 2.2.xx kernels in our hands then, but I think not even that would be major enough). Major versions for ONLY major changes, minors for minor, and not entering the version-number-hype-marketing-bandwagon is the hackers' view of version numbers. And non-geeks can realise it, too. (As for those you mentioned watching only the version numbers, well, if there wouldn't be stupid people the psychiatrists would starve to death.) And, for closing, let me quote a wise man (I think it was Occam but I let anyone fix my mistakes :)) regarding these numbers, too: Small is beautiful! :) bye, grin (using an operating system with a core kernel version LESS THAN the decade.) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
On Mon, Aug 03, 1998 at 02:46:38AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: Major versions for ONLY major changes, minors for minor, and not entering the version-number-hype-marketing-bandwagon is the hackers' view of version numbers. What constitutes a major change is fuzzy. I think it should be set in policy. 2.0 was a no-brainer since the libc change means all of the application packages would not run, by default, on the older revision but will Linux-2.2 or 3.0 or whatever it will be cause a 3.0 release or will it be a 2.?? I think you have a point here (or I'm tired reading all this crap I'm writing :)), it could be decided generally what consists a minor and what a major advance in the Debian World. These guidelines could be written down... however I doubt you'll successful seeing them, ever. There so much unforeseen possible changes, we hardly can give more precise definitions like those fuzzy terms major change. (You could try, however. You have to convince developers first, though, not users.) So far it seems major involves changing _all_ packages. Maybe kernel versions, if the system would change considerably (as this seem to happen with 2.2.xx); these can be written down, but not much more. bests, grin =+=== Peter grin Gervai | It was like a visit by Don Corleone. I Linux root at Cory-Net Ltd. | expected to find a bloody computer monitor in Szekszard, Hungary | my bed the next day. -- Mark Andreessen of [EMAIL PROTECTED] on #linux.hu| Netscape regarding the visit from microsoft. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if they call me a geek, I call them a luser George Manoj, I find that remark disturbing. That is who you are George writing the software for. No. No. No. Let me put that foul canard to rest. I do *NOT*, repeat *NOT* write software for darned users. I write software because it pleases my muse, and becuase I feel like contributing to the free software community. This has come up before (in the debate that preceded Bruce's leaving the project). No one dictates why I write the software. And, when it came up the last time, my views were shared by a fair segment of the developers. George The luser community produces the developers over time. George Without a stong and vital user base, you will not attract a George good developer community. If something happens to make Debian George user-hostile and your user base dwindles, you will find that George your developer base will dwindle as well. We are not user hostile. We are trying harder than ever for ease of use issues, for ease of use is a hallmark of a great technical distribution. However, we shall not be coerced by people saying we are the users, we are never wrong, and when we say jump, you ask how high. Hell, no. George The user community must have some kind of influence on the George development community or they will go where their needs are George being met. Precisely. And Debian is not trying tobe the OS for everyone. We are trying for a certain niche. Debian may wel be the distribution people graduate to, after red hat. George The market decides what is best, not the manufacturer. If George nobody uses it, it is a waste of time making it. The developers use it. For me, that is sufficient audience. There are other members of the free software community who understand what communal spirit is all about, and they are likely to use it too. And as long as we retain techncal excellence, we shall have people. George If commercial applications are available for all version George except Debian, then Debian will never be more than a hobbyist George distribution because few of the lusers will even try it. What's wrong with that? Already, wordperfect is not available for Debian as a debian package. Oracle is unlikely to create a Debian package. Suse has servers that are not available as .debs either; nor are commercial X servers, or motif, or I refuse to be browbeaten by threats of Debia's premature demise. I shall continue to work on making Debian as good a distribution as I can, but I listen to technical arguments, not marketing pleas. I do not think that shall kill Debian. And anyway, it would be better for debian to die rather than compromise on principles. manoj -- Trained mules are excellent, and so are thoroughbred horses from the Sindh, and so are great battle elephants, but more excellent than them all is a disciplined man. 322 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: change from fvwm95 to kde?
I installed Debian 2.0 with fvwm95 as the window manager. I'd now like to use kde. I installed all the packages and am able to run kde, but it seems to be running on top of fvwm95. How can I change the window manager to kde? Where is the window manager invoked? Check out /etc/X11/window-managers. Edit it so that /usr/X11R6/bin/kde is the first one listed. If you also run /usr/sbin/switchdm that'll run kdm instead of xdm to start X. The only real advantage (that I've seen) there is that kdm puts a prettier login box on the screen for you. -- Regards,|Debian GNU/__ o http://www.debian.org . | / /__ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |// /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net |...because lockups are for convicts... Tech. Coord./Teacher|What is or why Linux? Click on the below: http://www8.zdnet.com/pcmag/pctech/content/16/13/os1613.001.html -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Error when partitionig my hard drive.
Mrpeabody wrote: I have a computer that came with windows 98 on it. I want to paritition the drive and put linux on it but when I try to partition the drive using debian basic install on the rescue disk it shows that my only drive is dev/hda and when I try to paritition it I get a FATAL ERROR: Bad Primary Partition. -jeff there can be only one reason why u get this message : w98 use all your hd . i mean that u have just unit c and unit d: as cdrom. what u have to do is to free some space from win98 partition using an utility called fips . or if u prefer first delete your win98 and then insall on your hd only Linux :- hope this is what you are looking for samuele tonon -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Strange thing ...
Hello All
I was trying to upgrade my installation of debian, using apt. When I do
apt-get update it gives me the folowing output :
Can't locate File/stat.pm in @INC at /usr/lib/apt/methods/ftp line 21
(#1)
(F) You said to do (or require, or use) a file that couldn't be found
in any of the libraries mentioned in @INC. Perhaps you need to set
the PERL5LIB environment variable to say where the extra library is,
or maybe the script needs to add the library name to @INC. Or maybe
you just misspelled the name of the file. See perlfunc/require.
0% [Forking]Uncaught exception from user code:
Can't locate File/stat.pm in @INC at /usr/lib/apt/methods/ftp line
21.
main::BEGIN called at File/stat.pm line 21
eval {...} called at File/stat.pm line 21
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/apt/methods/ftp line 21.
Updating package file cache...
E: Opening
/var/state/apt/lists/ftp.uevora.pt_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages
- ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory)
I think the problem is with the perl version... But now I can't update
from dselect ... What should I do?
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Re: New Debian user's reaction to X
On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Ian Lynagh wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Debian's X installation needed a *lot* of work. Which one? The text based one (xf86config) or the graphical one (XF86Setup)? Hello all, Since most half a year I am following any Debian list since I was using a Debian 1.3.1 dist. Difficulties came up immediately after having installed debians main packages and adding X packages for getting my X running. Nice dream I had. Bad reality reveals. It's one BIG problem installing any package; i.e. the netscape one: it required some engl. version 3.x of it. Problem: no more available. Finally i got it from anywhere out of hell... Then installation failed. Why ? I do not know this. But discussing with others we conluded that at least the dselect-'utility' isn't too strong in effectivity. (It seems to be a order problem even if checking dependencies) So now my answer to your question: Unfortunately it is obvious to me (and others) that beside the dselect-tool the x-tools need some help, too. It isn't too comfortable to be useful installing X, unfortunately. Nils Radtke [EMAIL PROTECTED] *AIESEC Heilbronn *Steinle und Kloepfer *Coordinator ER *suk.internet.group *Germany *[EMAIL PROTECTED] *[EMAIL PROTECTED] *http://www.suk.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
May I step in? I'm pretty new to this list. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. No. No. Let me put that foul canard to rest. I do *NOT*, repeat *NOT* write software for darned users. I write software because it pleases my muse, and becuase I feel like contributing to the free software community. This has come up before (in the debate that preceded Bruce's leaving the project). I for one write software for darned users and has been doing it for the last 13 years. That's simply how I make my living. If I were to contribute to Debian, though (which is unlikely to happen at this time since there's no time left to do so), I would still write for users *and* for my own pleasure. If I can't make money from it but still do it, it must be because I think it's fun, no? Otherwise I'd rather go fishing. Precisely. And Debian is not trying tobe the OS for everyone. We are trying for a certain niche. Debian may wel be the distribution people graduate to, after red hat. I've worked with most commercial Unix and Unix-like systems out there and also worked as a DG/UX developer at Data General. I've had all kinds of problems with Red Hat. IMHO, Debian is the distribution that looks the most like commercial Unix systems as I know them. What's wrong with that? Already, wordperfect is not available for Debian as a debian package. Oracle is unlikely to create a Debian package. Suse has servers that are not available as .debs either; nor are commercial X servers, or motif, or Debian is the most mature Linux distribution I've used and the one we trust for the servers where I work. Given that, I'd really like to be able to use Oracle or Informix or Jasmine or whatever, even though it's not free. Maybe I'm wrong or too phragmatic, but I just don't see much of a problem with using free and non-free code in the same system. If Informix was to create a Debian package of their database, would they be prohibited from doing so? /Robert -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: dpkg instead of dselect - how?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- The new mountable dselect method (in package dpkg-mountable) logs everything. Maybe this is what you are looking for. On the other side, if you want to install a Debian system from scratch by using just dpkg, you may use the new package pkg-order to write your own install.sh script (I did this to install Debian in a 21-computer lab), avoiding dselect completely. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNcWbvSqK7IlOjMLFAQGKoAP+JfkIgkIaCZdM5+i1/MFvGOwO3mCTly3K pNItp8EERMYW+l51KNdA9EaGN75CVBsv135p0vyO+JySeQS2j68LN4iqpv8l7qLA 4xiAPFJvEhoZIsAr9OZDXjU37ycGOkjwiqnFXiTsdYLHEeASgLbumduA2CQGO2K1 ugTP4rEEtng= =Cr9B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Strange thing ...
On 03-Aug-98 Ana Graca Silva wrote: Hello All I was trying to upgrade my installation of debian, using apt. When I do apt-get update it gives me the folowing output : Really! You shouldn't do that it's dangerous! I think the problem is with the perl version... But now I can't update from dselect ... What should I do? Update the package! Mario Filipe [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf | Agora bilingue (PT e EN) - Now bilingual (PT and EN) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
other than Red Hat, Caldera, or S.u.S.E. versions of their applications. Try to talk Debian to them and they dismiss it saying they just do not have the time. And your solution is what? Debian jump to 6.0 and always make sure to stay a version number ahead of Red Hat? Hey, Red Hat just went to 6.0, we better rewrite a mouse driver and jump to 7.0!!! From your posts, it sounds like you are saying Red Hat is jerking off with its version numbers, so Debian better start choking its chicken as well. Jason -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: New Debian user's reaction to X
On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Radtke wrote: On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Ian Lynagh wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randy Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Debian's X installation needed a *lot* of work. Which one? The text based one (xf86config) or the graphical one (XF86Setup)? Hello all, Since most half a year I am following any Debian list since I was using a Debian 1.3.1 dist. Difficulties came up immediately after having installed debians main packages and adding X packages for getting my X running. Nice dream I had. Bad reality reveals. It's one BIG problem installing any package; i.e. the netscape one: it required some engl. version 3.x of it. Problem: no more available. Finally i got it from anywhere out of hell... Then installation failed. Why ? I do not know this. But discussing with others we conluded that at least the dselect-'utility' isn't too strong in effectivity. (It seems to be a order problem even if checking dependencies) So now my answer to your question: Unfortunately it is obvious to me (and others) that beside the dselect-tool the x-tools need some help, too. It isn't too comfortable to be useful installing X, unfortunately. So, concluding, this has nothing to do with installing the X-windows system, but with the netscape application. I don't know where you got the installer for netscape3 from, but there has been an installer for netscape4 for ages now. Maarten _ | TU Delft, The Netherlands, Faculty of Information Technology and Systems | | Department of Electrical Engineering| | Computer Architecture and Digital Technique section | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Strange thing ...
On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Mario Filipe wrote: On 03-Aug-98 Ana Graca Silva wrote: Hello All I was trying to upgrade my installation of debian, using apt. When I do apt-get update it gives me the folowing output : Really! You shouldn't do that it's dangerous! Why? Maarten _ | TU Delft, The Netherlands, Faculty of Information Technology and Systems | | Department of Electrical Engineering| | Computer Architecture and Digital Technique section | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: New Debian user's reaction to X
On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Maarten Boekhold wrote: So, concluding, this has nothing to do with installing the X-windows system, but with the netscape application. I don't know where you got the installer for netscape3 from, but there has been an installer for netscape4 for ages now. Maarten Thanx for immediate answer. Of course, there are newer ones. But that time I was not able neither to ftp or post anything since I got an internal modem (miro connect 34, bullshit) emulating com3. This was quite a big challenge I didn't master yet, so BTW if anyone has info about how getting started an internal complicated modem by Miro, please let me know it'd be great, great, great. Problem with dselect is still existent. Nils [EMAIL PROTECTED] *AIESEC Heilbronn *Steinle und Kloepfer *Coordinator ER *suk.internet.group *Germany *[EMAIL PROTECTED] *[EMAIL PROTECTED] *http://www.suk.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Going back to slackware...
Hello, sorry, but that debian 2.0 with the apt-package isn't quite the thing for me. I upgraded to an early pre hamm using a self burned cd round about in april this year. Some packages needed a configuration afterwards. Last week I did an upgrade using an official 2.0 CD with apt-get. There where 80 packages to be updated. None broken! That is really boring ;-)! No tweaking of any config files, no reboot, no complex fiddling with dpkg, no dependency problems, nothing needed to be done by hand! So, great work, congratulations!! Peter -- -- Peter Weiss, Sonnenstraße 17, D-26123 Oldenburg, Tel: 0441/ 81058 -- ---The foolish ones taught more to me than the wise ones ever could--- -- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: New Debian user's reaction to X
Of course, there are newer ones. But that time I was not able neither to ftp or post anything since I got an internal modem (miro connect 34, bullshit) emulating com3. This was quite a big challenge I didn't master yet, so BTW if anyone has info about how getting started an internal complicated modem by Miro, please let me know it'd be great, great, great. Unless this is a 'windows-modem', there should be no problem at all. An internal modem will behave exactly like an external one. You can view an internal modem as a normal comm-port connected to a seperate modem, but now all on one card (or even IC). What is your problem with it? Maarten _ | TU Delft, The Netherlands, Faculty of Information Technology and Systems | | Department of Electrical Engineering| | Computer Architecture and Digital Technique section | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: New Debian user's reaction to X
On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Maarten Boekhold wrote: Unless this is a 'windows-modem', there should be no problem at all. An internal modem will behave exactly like an external one. You can view an internal modem as a normal comm-port connected to a seperate modem, but now all on one card (or even IC). What is your problem with it? 'til now I didn't manage it, FYI this int. modem is integrated on board with a soundcard. Perhaps u could help me by telling how to do? Thanx, Nils -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Help with EIDE IBM Drive.
Linux doesn't seem to be compatible with my hard drive can anyone help me. I have a 10.1 gig Ultra ATA EIDE drive made by IBM and I don't have any luck installing debian or red hat. -jeff -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: boot: unable to open initial console
G. Crimp wrote: I've moved my old system over to a new hard drive. I thought I was fairly meticulous in copying things over (compared all permissions, ownerships, links and other special files between the two file systems). I edited lilo.conf and fstab, then shutdown, changed the drives master/slave jumpers and rebooted from the rescue floppy. I used the install program to mount all the partitions and to mkswap. Next I switched to the console and copied my kernel to a floppy. Evidently, I have overlooked something. I only get through the first little bit of the boot sequence (I can write out the whole thing , one screen full, if anyone wants it) up to where all the partitions are named and VHS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. thenUnable to open an initial console Looks like /dev/tty0 isn't there. Are use sure you did copy the devices correctly (cp does not copy devices correctly, use tar or cpio). Dirk -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Video card/TV tuner recommendation
I know this must be a FAQ, but I couldn't find it while looking. Can someone give me a recommendation for a good, fire-breathing Linux-supported video card and TV Tuner? Thanks in advance. -- Regards,|Debian GNU/__ o http://www.debian.org . | / /__ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |// /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net |...because lockups are for convicts... Tech. Coord./Teacher|What is or why Linux? Click on the below: http://www8.zdnet.com/pcmag/pctech/content/16/13/os1613.001.html -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
strange Cron emails?
Dear Debian People, I have been away from my machine for about a month now (and this mailing list with it ;( ), and when I get back my inbox contains two types of message: (Apologies for the display, but this is a W95 machine :( Type one: Date: Mon,13 Jul 199806:54:24+0100 (BST) From: CronDaemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Cron[EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd: shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories Type two: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:23:01 +0100 (BST) From: Cron Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] runq shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories Can anyone shed some light on these, please? Thanks, Matthew -- Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo Steward of the Cambridge Tolkien Society Selwyn College Computer Support http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/8841/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/CambUniv/Societies/tolkien/ http://pick.sel.cam.ac.uk/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Linus Torvalds interview
Just to add my experiences of win95 into the frey, i have also done the MB swap thing and while after a lot of rebooting in managed to recover, on the other hand my bro's machine is almost identical to mine (only minor differences lijke graphics card, HD make) failed miserable to survive the same swap, it just shows that if you make any major hardware changes best to reinstall. (apart from the fact that windows is a joke) .. Fray is right! Say, did you try an Alpha MB, Z-80 or 6809 maybe? How well does an Apple PPC MB swap work? Since Linux doesn't survive such swaps any better than anyone else, what are you writing about to begin with? If this is yet-another herd like MS bash, think about using IRC or the National Enquirer. Better yet, why not spend your time writing some software. Linux could use things like Delphi, Access, Excel, DBase, SQL Server... well you get the picture. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: boot: unable to open initial console
VHS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. thenUnable to open an initial console Looks like /dev/tty0 isn't there. Are use sure you did copy the devices correctly (cp does not copy devices correctly, use tar or cpio). Dirk Or the permissions aren't set right. I've found that when copying files from /dev, the permissions rarely stay the way they were originally Taren -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Debian 2.0 and Netscape 4.5
I just finished installing Debian 2.0. I used to have RedHat 5.1 but I figured it was time to try something new :-). To make a long story short, I can no longer use Netscape 4.5. When attempting to start this beast, I now receive the error can't load library libXpm.so.4. Strange part is this file is located in /usr/X11R6/lib and that path is in my /etc/ld.so.conf file. Just for kicks, I did an ldd on netscape and I got this back; libXt.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXt.so.6 (0x4000a000) libSM.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libSM.so.6 (0x4004c000) libICE.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libICE.so.6 (0x40055000) libXmu.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXmu.so.6 (0x4006a000) libXpm.so.4 = not found libXext.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXext.so.6 (0x4007c000) libX11.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libX11.so.6 (0x40087000) libdl.so.1 = /lib/libdl.so.1 (0x40125000) libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5 (0x40128000) libg++.so.27 = not found libstdc++.so.27 = not found libm.so.5 = /lib/libm.so.5 (0x401e6000) Would anyone know what's going on? Thanks, Robert P.S. If it makes a difference, I installed Debian 2.0 from scratch (i.e. my drives were clean before starting). -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, George Bonser wrote: The problem with the current versioning system is that people look at Debian 2.0 and Red Hat 5.x and S.u.S.E 5.x and Slackware 3.x and figure Debian is seriously lagging when it is not. humor There are two solutions to this problem: 1) change the next release number to 99 2) install windows 98 After all, they have a higher version number, so it must be a superior product. humor Moral of the story, version numbers are specific to the product, don't bother comparing. Brandon --+-- Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Testing Group Status PGP Key: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bhmit1.home.ml.org/deb/ Dijkstra probably hates me (Linus Torvalds, in kernel/sched.c) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: netinit headers
Azog wrote: Hello! I'm in need of netinet/ip_tcp.h, netinet/ip_udp.h, netinet/protocols.h. Which package are these in? TIA They are called tcp.h udp.h and in.h. They are in kernel-source package. Dirk -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
simple Q.
HI, I downloaded one of the CD images and now I would like to check CHECKSUM. sumcksum commands give definitly another values, not hex but decimal. How should I check it? Thanks, Eugene Sevinian CRD, YerPhI, 375036, Armenia URL: http://crdlx5.yerphi.am/prs/sevinian.html Phone: 374-2-344873 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile
On 3 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Mark I need to compile the 2.0.31 kernel. Unfortunately there is Mark not a debian package for the 2.0.31 kernel, so I downloaded the Mark upstream version, unpacked it into /usr/local/src, created Mark links What links did you create? Please uncreate those links and try again, I fear that may be part of the problem. The links I created were: cd /usr/include mv asm asm.old mv linux linux.old mv scsi scsi.old ln -s /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/asm-i386 asm ln -s /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux linux ln -s /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/scsi scsi as well as cd /usr/src ln -s /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31 linux I have also tried using make-kpkg without using the first three links above (ie using the existing directories) and in both cases I get the same compile errors. I have tried unmaking and making these links again and following again your instructions in /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz but I still get the same problems. Mark and followed the instructions for make-kpkg in order to Mark make a kernel image package. Unfortunately it didn't compile, Mark coming up with compile errors such as Mark /usr/include/sys/types.h:45: conflicting types for `mode_t' Mark /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:12: previous declaration Mark of `mode_t' Something is seriously wrong here. The kernel is supposed to be a self contained syste; it shpuld not be linking with any header files outside of the kernel source tree. I agree it seems seriously wrong. It seems to be linking with header files provided by libc6-dev (that's where /usr/include/sys/types.h comes from). I am at a loss to know what to try next. I imagine gcc would only look in a place like /usr/include/sys/types.h if it believed the types.h file could not be found in the kernel source tree. (I am guessing that libc6-dev sets up /usr/include/sys as a default location to look for things??) But I notice there are many types.h files in the kernel source tree, so what's going on? Mark. __ _\/___\__/___Mark_Phillips___/ \__/_\__/--\__/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ \__/HE___\__/--APTAIN/ \__/_\__/--\__/__/ /__To be is to do.__I. Kant___/ \__/__\__/___/ /__To do is to be.__A. Sartre_/ /__I am.God___/ /__Jesus did.___/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
dists/sid subdirectory?
Does anyone know what the sid subdirectory in dists is? I'm guessing that this is the follow-on version after slink, but that idea seemed a bit strange as slink is unstable. Anyone know for sure? -- Regards,|Debian GNU/__ o http://www.debian.org . | / /__ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |// /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ http://www.golgotha.net |...because lockups are for convicts... Tech. Coord./Teacher|What is or why Linux? Click on the below: http://www8.zdnet.com/pcmag/pctech/content/16/13/os1613.001.html -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
eth0 and ppp0 routing issues
Greetings, Being new to Debian (as well as Linux in general), I've been suffering for a short while and was hoping you folks might be able to assist me. I have successfully installed the rescue, drivers, base 1-5 diskettes, and was attempting to setup the debian box to dial my ISP and download the rest of the system via dselect. Unfortunately, once connected, pinging www.yahoo.com or any other public address, results in the packet light on my hub to flash, which indicates that all of the data being routed is heading out my ethernet card (eth0) rather than the dial-up connection. Internally, my network is the standard 172.16.x.x, and externally its whatever my ISP provides. What would be the easiest way of ensuring that 172.16.x.x addresses get routed through eth0, and everything else gets routed out the ppp0 connection? I had the same issue with debian 1.3, so obviously, its something I'm doing, or not doing. Any suggestions would be appreciated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frederic Breitwieser Homebrew Automotive Mailing List Bridgeport, Connecticut -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
*- George Bonser wrote about Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce? | | I have had people tell me that they are using Red Hat because it is at 5.2 | while Debian is still only at 2.0. The perception is that Red Hat is I'm sorry but those people are ignorant then. Tell them to use Windows98 it must be far superior to any Linux since it is at version 98! Jeez, -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Debian 2.0 and Netscape 4.5
Oops, make that Netscape 4.05. Cheers, Robert On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:00:21 + (GMT), you wrote: I just finished installing Debian 2.0. I used to have RedHat 5.1 but I figured it was time to try something new :-). To make a long story short, I can no longer use Netscape 4.5. When attempting to start this beast, I now receive the error can't load library libXpm.so.4. Strange part is this file is located in /usr/X11R6/lib and that path is in my /etc/ld.so.conf file. Just for kicks, I did an ldd on netscape and I got this back; libXt.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXt.so.6 (0x4000a000) libSM.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libSM.so.6 (0x4004c000) libICE.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libICE.so.6 (0x40055000) libXmu.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXmu.so.6 (0x4006a000) libXpm.so.4 = not found libXext.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libXext.so.6 (0x4007c000) libX11.so.6 = /usr/lib/libc5-compat/libX11.so.6 (0x40087000) libdl.so.1 = /lib/libdl.so.1 (0x40125000) libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5 (0x40128000) libg++.so.27 = not found libstdc++.so.27 = not found libm.so.5 = /lib/libm.so.5 (0x401e6000) Would anyone know what's going on? Thanks, Robert P.S. If it makes a difference, I installed Debian 2.0 from scratch (i.e. my drives were clean before starting). -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Kernel 2.0.31 won't compile
On 3 Aug 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Mark == Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark /usr/include/sys/types.h:45: conflicting types for `mode_t' Mark /usr/local/src/linux-2.0.31/include/linux/types.h:12: previous declaration Mark of `mode_t' Something is seriously wrong here. The kernel is supposed to be a self contained syste; it shpuld not be linking with any header files outside of the kernel source tree. I should add that the file /usr/include/sys/types.h, according to the error output, is included from /usr/include/stdlib.h which in turn is included from scc.c. Perhaps there is a bug in scc.c --- I think I'll try and exclude this option from the .config file --- if I can work out which option it is (any clues?) Cheers, Mark. __ _\/___\__/___Mark_Phillips___/ \__/_\__/--\__/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ \__/HE___\__/--APTAIN/ \__/_\__/--\__/__/ /__To be is to do.__I. Kant___/ \__/__\__/___/ /__To do is to be.__A. Sartre_/ /__I am.God___/ /__Jesus did.___/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Going back to slackware...
On Mon, Aug 03, 1998 at 01:56:00PM +0100, Peter Weiss wrote: Hello, sorry, but that debian 2.0 with the apt-package isn't quite the thing for me. I upgraded to an early pre hamm using a self burned cd round about in april this year. Some packages needed a configuration afterwards. Last week I did an upgrade using an official 2.0 CD with apt-get. There where 80 packages to be updated. None broken! That is really boring ;-)! Don't you just HATE it when it all works? :) My girlfriend keeps getting mad cuz I keep breaking my computer (the one providing the Maqueradfing firewall for the network ;) )... she doesn't quite get it...I run debian...I HAVE to break it myself otherwise I wont have anything to fix :) No tweaking of any config files, no reboot, no complex fiddling with dpkg, no dependency problems, nothing needed to be done by hand! well you can still tweak config files setup your system as a primary nameserverconvince it it is a root server...(I had trouble with thatall the setup was fine but missed one subtle step ;) ) If you want broken stuff... point apt at unstable and do an apt dist-upgrade ...it will break majorly...and enjoy (yes thats a warning... slink is in a broken state...but its young yet :)...guess some developers are still partying from Hamm releace...) I did this yesterday and ended up restoring my system from backup when it finishednetwork interfaces stop working...X stopps working... have a ball :) or...do what I did... get a SUN Workstation or two and work on porting some apps :) I ma just getting started with this...it shoul dbe an adventure :) So, great work, congratulations!! well...none of my (as of yet still limited) work is actually in hamm... (2 in slink tho ;) ) but its nice to have something to be proud of :) and I must say I am proud to be working on the Debian GNU/Linux team (man I have been reading too many slogans in fast food restraunts) It really is a great system. I would like to also extend my congradulations to all the people who worked on hamm...and I hope slink can turn out even better :) (and hope that my meager work on it can live up to the quality of the rest of the system) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Debian 2.0 and Netscape 4.5
Robert Lyonnais [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just finished installing Debian 2.0. I used to have RedHat 5.1 but I figured it was time to try something new :-). To make a long story short, I can no longer use Netscape 4.5. When attempting to start this beast, I now receive the error can't load library libXpm.so.4. Strange part is this file is located in /usr/X11R6/lib and that path is in my /etc/ld.so.conf file. Just for kicks, I did an ldd on netscape and I got this back; libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5 (0x40128000) You are tunning a libc5 version of netscape. The libXpm in /usr/X11R6/lib will be libc6 so it is not useful to this version of netscape. You need to either install the glibc2 version of netscape or (simpler) install the libc5 version of libXpm with dselect. xpm4g is the libc6 version which gives you the library in /usr/X11R6/lib. xpm4-7 (in the dists/stable/main/binary-i386/oldlibs directory) is the libc5 version and will work with this version of netscape. Erv -- Graduate Student[EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Chemistry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Univ of Wisconsin-Madison [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a clear disk you can seek forever. -Computerworld button -- tagline 1.00 by xopy -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
On 03-Aug-1998, Robert Claeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm wrong or too phragmatic, but I just don't see much of a problem with using free and non-free code in the same system. If Informix was to create a Debian package of their database, would they be prohibited from doing so? They are free (even encouraged) to do so. If they simply provide a tar file, an installer .deb will certainly be accepted too. It's your system, Debian has no control (or desire to control) what you do with it, or what other people add to it. Informix would be quite free to take Debian, add their database, and sell the whole system. It's just that the Debian system couldn't support the database, so it cannot be part of the main Debian distribution. After all, Debian doesn't have the source code around to fix any problems. This one reason why Debian draws a distinction between free and non-free. Debian insisting on free software for the main distribution is pragmatic, not just idealistic. Debian provides a lot of support for non-free programs, it just can't provide full support. Tyson. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Joey Hess wrote: : George Bonser wrote: : No, LSB would not dictate Debian's version but Debian could say that : Debian-2.0 is LSB-1.2 compliant and someone looking at Red Hat 5.2 might : see that it, too, is LSB-1.2 compliant and get the idea that both are : roughly equal. : : Someone might today, see that both debian and redhat contain kernel 2.0 and : draw the conclusion they are both about equally up-to-date. Both : distributions mentinn which kernel they contain in press releases and ads : and so on. The fact that some people don't make this connection doesn't make : me optimistic about them being less confused when a third version number is : added to the mix. Has it actually been determined that the LSB will provide version numbers to be used in such a context? If not, then this whole argument is silly. Even then it's a bit silly - let's imagine that a new Linux distribution arrived on the scene. They're either going to start versioning with a number between zero and one, or pull a fast one and jack up their version number?! -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
CPAN modules
Quick question - Where is the best directory to locate the modules to? I have the CPAN library on CD and would like a pointer on where to put them. -- -= Sent by Debian 1.3 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@westgac3.dragon.com Remove @_@ for correct Email address --... ...-- ... -.. . -.- -.. - -.-. .. -.- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: KDE games problem...
On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Richard Evans Hartman wrote: Hello all, I am using debian 2.0 with KDE (relatively new linux user) When I login as me, I can access the KDE games However, when I login as root, and try to run a game, I get the message could not execute program ___ Any ideas? I thought root could run anything? /usr/games is not in root's path. This is because it is not recommended using the root account unless it is necessary. It can be too easy to screw up your system that way. If you want to play a game, log in as yourself. -- Tower -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Was the release of Debian 2.0 put on Linux Announce?
On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Joey Hess wrote: Why do you expect non-geek will know what version of LSB his system complies with? LSB isn't something innately easier for non-geek to comprehend than the libc or kernel version. Remember that the concept of standards is just as foreign to non-geeks as is the concept of kernels. We already advertise our kernel version. If people don't know it, there is no reason to suppose they would know the LSB version if we advertised that. I have been using Linux since 1994, I do not know what LSB is. Guess I am not a geek ;-( or worse than a non-geek :-) /*** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills * Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A. * * EMAIL= [EMAIL PROTECTED] * WWW= http://Mills-USA.com/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * / -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: strange Cron emails?
*- M.C. Vernon wrote about strange Cron emails? | | shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent | directories | Hmmm, I have been getting these randomly at the prompt, not in emails from cron jobs. I haven't been able to trace the source of these. Anyone else seen this and know its source. -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Palm Pilot software
Is there any other software available like the KDE's kpilot? I'd love to convert the use of my Pilot to pure Linux, but the KDE stuff is questionable, and kpilot in Debian is broken due to libs. I'm looking for something that will sync the Pilot, backup/restore, install new software, and have a working email conduit. Or is it possible to convert the KDE app to gtk or something? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps Any jackass can kick a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build it. -- Sam Rayburn ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: emacs !!
*- C.J.LAWSON wrote about emacs !! | Please could anyone tell me how to get emacs to wrap at column 132 .. | also, where exactly does one change the color coding for the keyword | highlighting? | Interactive: M-x set-variableRETfill-columnRET132 elisp: (setq fill-column 76) To edit faces in xemacs, not sure about emacs. M-x edit-facesRET (I haven't used it but it looks pretty easy.) -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
[ivan@vianet.net.au: WYSIWYG Word Processor]
-- Whenever you meet yourself you're in a time loop or in front of a mirror. ---BeginMessage--- Hello, I am seeking a WYSIWYG Word Processor - I downloaded and installed lyX today - pretty good but not quite what I am looking for. Maxwell seemed an option but I couldn't get it installed (probably my fault but still, on some things, I give up easy !). Any other options - should I go commercial ??? Ivan. BTW : Thanks very very much for the help with SB16 and the discussion afterwards - this sure is a learning experience. I have more SB questions for a later post ... word processing has suddenly become a very urgent priority ! Thanks again for the help. Ivan. ---End Message---
RE: only root can hear sound..?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Any users that need to use sound should be added to the audio group with the command 'addgroup username audio'. Do not change the permissions on /dev/dsp to world readable/writable as another poster said --- anything world writable is generally a bad idea. HTH, Mark On 02-Aug-98 Edward J Young wrote: I've got something of a catch 22 going with regard to rvplayer and netscape, and the oss sound driver. I loaded the oss sound driver for my 2.0 config and it works nicely, but for root only. play -v /usr/lib/xemacs-20.4/etc/sounds/Snicker.au results in: /dev/dsp: Permission denied I can't run netscape as root (a security issue) and I can't hear audio as a user. Rvplayer works only under root root as well. I can start it up as a user, but can't hear anything, presumably because of th permissions problem. Thanx for help on this matter. Ed -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null - -- ,-_|\Mark Mickan| / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I have great faith in fools --- \_,-*_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | self confidence my friends call it. v | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNcVU/TodYgJsmwRRAQEA0gP6A8/jhteKw+6l/agGfST0KxcJY1h+Mk5r i7TcUvEIaSJFMzXrEP2mWU2fF7UqYLrfQ4tXQPgocJaGyr35UaXzZ1zLlz3foVFR pMf0HTBB2ycPRyIdcLk5rI1eakBlj947jBpODN8Ce8oDusPhNzjVLDGsKB9Me5Nc iYtQdLzvfCo= =JfnH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: installing adbbs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Try installing the libterm-readkey-perl package. If you're using the Debian package of adbbs and it doesn't depend on libterm-readkey-perl then this is a bug in the package, and can be reported as such with the bug program (from the bug package). HTH, Mark On 01-Aug-98 Eugene Sevinian wrote: I tried to install adbbs on my Debian 1.3.1 at home. Here is what I got as a first message: $ adbbs Can't locate loadable object for module Term::ReadKey in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/i386-linux/5.004 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/local/lib/site_perl/i386-linux /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/perl5/bbs-lib.pl line 10 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/bbs-lib.pl line 10. Would be obliged if someone can say what should I do. Thanks, Eugene Sevinian CRD, YerPhI, 375036, Armenia URL: http://crdlx5.yerphi.am/prs/sevinian.html Phone: 374-2-344873 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null - -- ,-_|\Mark Mickan| / \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I have great faith in fools --- \_,-*_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | self confidence my friends call it. v | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNcVWkjodYgJsmwRRAQEiHQP9Ft5syr2THzhEB/3M9/mWOPBYfn5hut1H Ofsuununlg9L6LeqOypb0buMsysIlUjsdd7w4f6MoZwxYewT8Z3hep+68VwarSrO XfQF++KAa8KSCDgkuxjX4XaEHjZl66A+JI0eHJG8Fo7m+VvNRu94hxtLAad78Dxa ZQ+exIiYKvg= =TH8N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
hardware purchase advice: modems
Ok... I am using a 33.6 kbps modem and it works pretty good...the main problem is now I am running a masquerading firewall for my girlfriend and me...and it can get bogged downa bit by us... I want to alleviate this abit by getting a 56k modem. I plan to do this within the next month or so...about when we move into our new apartment Sept. 1 I would like a 56k but am not sure what to get. I do NOT want to be stuck in a winmodem hell. Have the problems with 56k modems been resolved (ie is there a standard yet?). What is good to get (ie it must not need any special windows driver but...they ALL say made for Windows 95 so..its hard to tell whats best) suggestions? any good brands? any brands to stay away from? (alternately...where can I get a good $$ ;) ) (since this is not really on topic (not that this list has much of a topic as it is just general for al debian users private replies are ok... I really have no preference to private or public) -Steve -- /* -- Stephen Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ E-mail Bumper Stickers: A FREE America or a Drug-Free America: You can't have both! honk if you Love Linux -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: eth0 and ppp0 routing issues
ppp will not set a default route if a default route currently exists. Next time try this:- route del default route add -net 172.16.x.x (172.16.0.0 if your netmask is 255.255.0.0) pon This time ppp will set a default route for you. The above may not be exactly right as it makes an assumption or two, but it will be close. Contact me if you require further help. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perth, Western Australia voice +61 8 316 2486modem +61 8 364-9832 32S, 116E vk6lj =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Frederic Breitwieser wrote: Greetings, Being new to Debian (as well as Linux in general), I've been suffering for a short while and was hoping you folks might be able to assist me. I have successfully installed the rescue, drivers, base 1-5 diskettes, and was attempting to setup the debian box to dial my ISP and download the rest of the system via dselect. Unfortunately, once connected, pinging www.yahoo.com or any other public address, results in the packet light on my hub to flash, which indicates that all of the data being routed is heading out my ethernet card (eth0) rather than the dial-up connection. Internally, my network is the standard 172.16.x.x, and externally its whatever my ISP provides. What would be the easiest way of ensuring that 172.16.x.x addresses get routed through eth0, and everything else gets routed out the ppp0 connection? I had the same issue with debian 1.3, so obviously, its something I'm doing, or not doing. Any suggestions would be appreciated. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frederic Breitwieser Homebrew Automotive Mailing List Bridgeport, Connecticut -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: whiptail
*- C.J.LAWSON wrote about whiptail | Hi, |Someone just referenced a package called whiptail as a replacement to | dialog .. Could you please let me know where I can pick up the sources? I | would like to take a look at it also | Package: whiptail Priority: optional Section: base Installed-Size: 34 Maintainer: Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Source: newt == source Version: 0.21-8 Replaces: newt0.10, newt0.21 ( 0.21-4) Depends: libc6, newt0.21, slang0.99.38 Filename: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/base/whiptail_0.21-8.deb Size: 14844 MD5sum: b883fddb0b3c6d94945d3d9ad458400b Description: Displays user-friendly dialog boxes from shell scripts. whiptail is a dialog replacement using newt instead of ncurses. It provides a method of displaying several different types of dialog boxes from shell scripts. This allows a developer of a script to interact with the user in a much friendlier manner. Binary packages: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/base/whiptail_0.21-8.deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/libs/newt0.21_0.21-8.deb Source packages: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/source/base/newt_0.21-8.dsc ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/source/base/newt_0.21.orig.tar.gz ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/source/base/newt_0.21-8.diff.gz -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: printop problem....
Richard Evans Hartman wrote: Hello all, I am running debian 2.0 with KDE (relatively new linux user) I have been having some problems printing (I have an HP Officejet 600) I am using the deskjet filter in magicfilter, and it works okay, but still not perfectly... I want a GUI printer controller (similar to Printer mananger in win3.1), and I heard that printop is the way to go...so I installed the deb package, but when I try to run it, I get the following message... wish: error in loading shared libraries libtiff.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Any ideas? Is printop really the way to go, or am I barking up the wrong tree? Thanks in advance, Rich 10:59am ~$ dpkg -S libtiff.so.3 libtiff3g: /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3 Get the libtiff3g package. -- Ed -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: hardware purchase advice: modems
On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: (since this is not really on topic (not that this list has much of a topic as it is just general for al debian users private replies are ok... I really have no preference to private or public) I'm interested in this as well so keep it public! thanks. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
