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Re: Hola, necesito recondaciones de software para las sig. tareas:
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Antonio Castro wrote: On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Daniel Payno wrote: Hola Antonio... decías, el 09:16-10/abr/2001: Elige lo que te de la gana pero prueba afio, merece la pena. Pues yo prefiero rsync, la verdad [...] La verdad es que no das detalles de lo que haces realmente. No comentas tipo de soporte usado etc.. pero sinceramente dudo que estés haciendo las cosas bien. Es importantísimo [...] Perdona Daniel y perdón a la lista. Estas cosas me gusta comentarlas en privado con el interesado pero veo que por error fué a parar a la lista. Además ahora que lo releo tengo que decir que suelo ser más modesto y considerado. Un saludo Antonio Castro +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ /\ /\ Ciberdroide Informática (Tienda de Linux) \\W// http://www.ciberdroide.com _|0 0|_ +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | . . . . . . . . . . | +()()()--()()()+ | *** 1.700 sitios clasificados por temas sobre Linux en ***Donde_Linux*** | | http://www.ciberdroide.com/misc/donde/dondelinux.html | +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
Herramienta p/debianizar rpms
Que tal amigos...alguine me podria recomendar alguna buena herramienta para debianizar rpms, he leido en la lista algo al respecto y en este momento estoy necesitando algo asi. Gracias anticipadas...
Re: Hola, necesito recondaciones de software para las sig. tareas:
Hola Antonio... decías, el 09:25-12/abr/2001: Perdona Daniel y perdón a la lista. Estas cosas me gusta comentarlas en privado con el interesado pero veo que por error fué a parar a la lista. Además ahora que lo releo tengo que decir que suelo ser más modesto y considerado. Va, todos tenemos un mal día... La verdad es que me dejaste un poco flipado, pero como ya te he leído antes, pues supuse que sería un pronto.. ;) De todas formas, yo uso rsync para sincronizar datos de varias cuentas con las que trabajo en la universidad, y no me funciona nada mal... ;) -- Daniel PaynoGrupo de Usuarios de Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Administrador del FTP del GUL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universidad Carlos III de Madrid $ Got a light? No match. pgpqZGKJRqC6n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sustituir gs
El miércoles 11 de abril de 2001 a la(s) 18:23:39 -0300, Christoph Simon contaba: Puedes instalarlo en /usr/local/bin/. Puede que tengas que ajustar algún directório, pero normalmente, desde el shell, vas a ejecutar éste. ¿Y no se molestarán uno al otro? Bueno yo lo intento, gracias. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Linux Registered User #87069 pgpmfgiFnchka.pgp Description: PGP signature
mp3
Buenas a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Una pregunta corta. Podríais orientarme hacia alguna utilidad para grabar música de CDROM a mp3. Agradecido y un saludo a todos. César.
Re: Herramienta p/debianizar rpms
alien A Dijous 12 Abril 2001 10:20, Adriel Cardenas G va escriure: Que tal amigos...alguine me podria recomendar alguna buena herramienta para debianizar rpms, he leido en la lista algo al respecto y en este momento estoy necesitando algo asi. Gracias anticipadas... -- -- Jaume Sabater Lleal mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ARGUS Serveis Telemàtics www.argus.es BADALONA: Sant Pere, 39 - 08911 Badalona BARCELONA: Avgda. Marquès de Comillas, s/n (Recinte Poble Espanyol) - 08038 Barcelona Tel: 93 292 41 00 Fax: 93 292 42 25 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Konqueror y java
Hola a todos... Tengo instalado el konqueror, y veo que sugiere java-virtual-machine, que es un paquete virtual, pero de los propuestos ¿cual seria el mas aconsejable? Saludos.
Apache error con cgi y html
Hola: Estoy intentando crear páginas web dinámicas usando formularios y CGI's, segun un articulo de Solo Programadores Linux. Esto consta de dos ficheros: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/cgi-bin/empleados$ ls -a . .. ficha_empleado.cgi /var/www/empleados/ficha.html El proceso es el siguiente: arranco el netscape ejecuto el fichero ficha.html, introduzco los datos del formulario y pulso en el botón enviar del formulario. Todo parece funcionar bien se ejecuta el fichero ficha_empleado.cgi, pero cuando me tiene que responder, que todo se ha ejecutado satisfactoriamente, me aparece una pantalla de error similar a esto: Netscape:subprocess diagnostics (stdout/stderr) una serie de números como: 7 [K [0;40m [37m [0;40n [37m etc .. Datos dados de alta satisfactoriamente. [0;40m otra retaila de números. Y en la ultima linea Read /tmp/MO3AD59F001501B3.cgi, 3 lines, 42 chars [0;40m [37m etc .. Alguien me puede indicar como puedo corregir esto. Adjunto los ficheros: ficha_empleados.cgi, y ficha.html Un saludo y gracias. Title: Formulario de ejemplo Datos del empleado Nombre Primer apellido.. Segundo apellido. Nombre... D.N.I Departamento Contabilidad I+D Dirección Estado Laboral En activo Baja Vacaciones Comentarios Introduzca qui los comentarios oportunos #!/bin/sh # Script que añade los datos del empleado pasados por la $QUERY_STRING al # fichero empleados.db si no existe el registro. En caso contrario, # devuelve un mensaje de error. echo Content-Type:text/plain echo echo echo apell1=`echo $QUERY_STRING | cut -f1 -d | cut -f2 -d=` apell2=`echo $QUERY_STRING | cut -f2 -d | cut -f2 -d=` nombre=`echo $QUERY_STRING | cut -f3 -d | cut -f2 -d=` dni=`echo $QUERY_STRING | cut -f4 -d | cut -f2 -d=` estadocivil=`echo $QUERY_STRING | cut -f5 -d | cut -f2 -d=` dpto=`echo $QUERY_STRING | cut -f6 -d | cut -f2 -d=` act=`echo $QUERY_STRING | cut -f7 -d | cut -f2 -d=` coment=`echo $QUERY_STRING | cut -f8 -d | cut -f2 -d=` # Miramos si ya existe este empleado tmp=`cat /usr/lib/cgi-bin/empleados/empleados.db | grep $dni` if [`echo $tmp` !=] then echo Los datos de este empleado ya han sido dados de alta exit fi # Usaremos el simbolo - para delimitar los campos en el fichero # El formato será el de una tabla con los campos introducidos tal como # vienen en la $QUERY_STRING ficha=`echo $apell1`_`echo $apell2`_`echo $nombre`_`echo $dni`_`echo $estadocivil`_`echo $dpto`_`echo $act`_`echo $coment` # Ahora se añaden los datos nuevos al fichero existente (o se crea uno # nuevo si no existiera) echo $ficha/usr/lib/cgi-bin/empleados/empleados.db echo Datos dados de alta satisfactoriamente.
Re: mp3
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 10:25:01AM +0100, Cesar wrote: Buenas a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Una pregunta corta. Podríais orientarme hacia alguna utilidad para grabar música de CDROM a mp3. Agradecido y un saludo a todos. abcde es muy bueno. Jaime
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me lo pasaron en la oficina en www.signalar.com podes registrar gratis tu dominio y te dan hosting y mails sin cargo con dominio propio. yo puse la pagina ahi!! miralo y contame!! besos
Re: Cmo corregir el error de unstable con ssh
Yo he tenido el mismo problema y le he dado otra solucin: Aqu he encontrado la versin anterior de libssl0.9.6 http://freedom.dicea.unifi.it/ftp/pub/linux/debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/o /openssl/libssl0.9.6_0.9.6-2_i386.deb La he instalado con force-downgrade y me corrigi el problema. Despus si se usa dselect hay que marcarlo como mantener hasta que compilen los otros paquetes contra esta nueva versin. Espero que sirva Miguel - Original Message - From: Javier Viuales Gutirrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Usuarios Debian Espaol debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:42 AM Subject: Cmo corregir el error de unstable con ssh Hola, como alguno que otro en la lista y otro foro ha tenido en la ltima actualizacin de unstable problemas debidos a que no puede entrar en las X, o usar ssh, etc, la forma de resolverlo es de lo ms debianera :) fakeroot apt-get source -b ssh Y ya slo queda instalar los paquetes ssh_2.5.2p2-1_i386.deb y ssh-askpass-gnome_2.5.2p2-1_i386.deb. Cual era el problema?, pues muy tonto: ssh de unstable est actualmente roto debido a que OpenSSH est compilado contra libssl0.9.6 y en la ltima actualizacin este paquete se actualiz a libssl0.9.6a-1. Regenerando los paquetes deb mediante 'apt-get source...' e instalandolos, problema resuelto. Saludos. -- Javier Viuales Gutirrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG public information: pub 1024D/4EB82468 1C2A 0241 D350 B43D E027 4FCD F8E8 3454 4EB8 2468 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Konqueror y java
El jueves, 12 de abril de 2001, Angel Vicente Perez escribió: Tengo instalado el konqueror, y veo que sugiere java-virtual-machine, que es un paquete virtual, pero de los propuestos ¿cual seria el mas aconsejable? j2re1.3 (versión de ejecución) j2sdk1.3 (incluye el compilador) Yo lo probé con kaffe, pero no funcionaba. -- Francisco Callejo Giménez Bornos, Cádiz, España [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.fcallejo.f2s.com/index.html
Re: Particiones
Guenas El Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 05:25:09PM +0200, Andres Seco Hernandez disidio iscribir: Yo tengo un RAID0 con 6 discos, 4 en dos canales IDE y 2 en un SCSI, Los de los canales IDE te deben estar bajando el rendimiento cosa mala, ¿no? todos juntos en amor y compañía, y no ha petado todavía. La verdad es que lo monté con urgencia por necesidad de espacio, pensando en cambiarlo, pero en dos meses que lleva va genial. El problema del RAID0 es que cuando peta, peta de verdad. Yo monté uno hace muy poco con dos disco SCSI y a los pocos días comenzó a fallar uno de los discos... el desastre fue total (menos mal que lo tenía precisamente para pruebas) :-)) Saludines -- - Andres Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] | N.Reg: 66054 Debian Potato | bqp/AndresHE Clave GPG: http://www.escomposlinux.org/aherrerm/aherrerm.gpg - pgpze6BOf0yUj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Tildes en KDE arrancando desde KDM
Hola, On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Paco Avila wrote: El Mar 10 Abr 2001 02:58, Carlos Prados Bocos escribió: Tengo un problemilla con el KDE 2.1.1. No me funcionan las tildes en ninguna de las aplicaciones del KDE (knosole, kedit, kwrite...). Bien, yo no tengo esos problemas y tengo las mismas versiones. Te paso mi fichero de config de XFree pq el de KDM no lo he tocado nunca, o sea, que tiene lo que puso el script de instalación. Ahi va el mio, aunque no creo que tenga mucho que ver. Ya te digo que solo pasa con las aplicaciones KDE y arrancando desde kdm. ¿Tendra que ver con lo que te pasaba a ti con las fonts TTF? ¿Has probado a ver si te funcionan arrancanco desde startx? Saludos, Carlos. Section ServerLayout Identifier XFree86 Configured Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard EndSection Section Files RgbPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/ FontPath /usr/share/fonts EndSection Section Module Load GLcore Load dbe Load dri Load extmod Load glx Load pex5 Load record Load xie Load freetype Load speedo Load type1 EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver keyboard Option XKbLayout es EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol PS/2 Option Device /dev/psaux Option Emulate3Buttons true EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Monitor Vendor ModelNameMonitor Model EndSection Section Device ### Available Driver options are:- #Option accel #Option crt_screen #Option composite_sync #Option linear #Option mmio_cache #Option probe_clocks #Option reference_clock #Option shadow_fb Identifier Card0 Driver ati VendorName ATI BoardName Mach64 LM ChipSet ati ChipId 0x4c4d ChipRev 0x64 BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth 16 SubSection Display Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection Display Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Section DRI EndSection
Problemas al apagar el PC
Tengo el Windows Me y cuando me dirijo a apagar el sistema en el menu INICIO hace un amago de apagarse pero se me queda encendido y tengo que apagarlo dejando calcado el boton de apagar.Luego al iniciar me hace el scandisk por apagarlo mal y no se de que puede ser.Agradeceria mucho que me ayudaseis a resolver este problema,un saludo.
Re: Problemas al apagar el PC
La respuesta es MOCOSOFT:: De que te quejas si tienes productos MCOSOFT!!!
Re: mp3
El jue, 12 de abr de 2001, a las 10:25:01 +0100, Cesar se expresó así: Podríais orientarme hacia alguna utilidad para grabar música de CDROM a mp3. Grip, si no recuerdo mal, para las X. Saludos. Pepe
Re: Problemas al apagar el PC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Jue 12 Abr 2012 19:25, David escribió: Tengo el Windows Me y cuando me dirijo a apagar el sistema en el menu INICIO hace un amago de apagarse pero se me queda encendido y tengo que apagarlo dejando calcado el boton de apagar.Luego al iniciar me hace el scandisk por apagarlo mal y no se de que puede ser.Agradeceria mucho que me ayudaseis a resolver este problema,un saludo. Esto... PEDASO DE OFF-TOPIC!!! No estamos en una lista de Debian GNU/Linux? Preguntar cosas de esas aquí no es muy inteligente. Suerte ;-) - -- - - * Starwars III: El retorno de Linux - - Registered Linux user number 134.596 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Debian (2.4.2 on i686) Web: http://www.geocities.com/monkiki5/ ICQ: 89191538 Yahoo: monkiki5 - - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE61fbDym8toSgLaVARAnXlAJ0QS1QzpEakMkern+Lmq77vpFoGzgCeOR5f QTQcdFVJxPaNoTuZkJ6qcKQ= =iBjG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Ya tengo la tostadora... Qué programa usar para quemar?
El sáb, 31 de mar de 2001, a las 12:07:26 +0200, Paco Avila se expresó así: Me dice: mount: /dev/sr0 has wrong major or minor number No lo entiendo. Puedo grabar pero no puedo montarla? Yo sí he visto eso antes (Mandrake primera? Esware?). Bueno, no sé si irán por ahí los tiros... Has creado enlaces simbólicos de esos dispositivos en tus aplicaciones? Es decir, tu tienes un icono (en las X) que simboliza el cdrom, cuando le das busca el /dev/cdrom, si éste apuntaba a /dev/hdd, por ejemplo, pues no te montará nada y sale algún error. A ver si te pego algunas cosillas que os ayuden: En /dev: lrwxrwxrwx1 root root8 nov 18 15:16 cdrom1 - /dev/sr0 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root8 nov 18 19:30 cdrom3 - /dev/sr8 Lo del /dev/sr8 es que por defecto el kernel tiene la opción esa de multi-lun activada (a ver si recompilo), pero debería ser sr0, en un caso normal. Aquí mi /etc/fstab: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hdc1 / ext2defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/hdc5 noneswapsw 0 0 proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/fd0/floppy autodefaults,user,noauto0 0 /dev/cdrom1 /cdwriter iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0 /dev/cdrom3 /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noauto 0 0 #/dev/hdc3 /mnt/storm ext2 rw 0 2 /dev/hda6 /mnt/mandrake ext2 rw 0 2 /dev/hda1 /mnt/w98 vfat rw 0 0 /dev/hdc6 /respaldo ext2defaults1 2 /dev/hda5 /boot ext2defaults1 2 Y mi lilo.conf: boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b vga=normal default=debian keytable=/boot/es-latin1.klt lba32 prompt timeout=50 message=/boot/message image=/boot/vmlinuz label=linux root=/dev/hda6 append= hdb=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label=failsafe root=/dev/hda6 append= hdb=ide-scsi failsafe read-only other=/dev/hda1 label=windows table=/dev/hda other=/dev/fd0 label=floppy unsafe image=/boot/debian/vmlinuz-2.2.17 label=debian root=/dev/hdc1 append= hdb=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi read-only image=/boot/suse/vmlinuz.suse label=suse root=/dev/hdc3 append= hdb=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi read-only Es un poco raro porque arranco varias distros... Bueno, a mí me va OK!!! El Xcdroast graba al vuelo y todo. La pega que le veo es que debes crear un directorio con todo lo que quieres tostar, en vez de coger algo de aquí algo de allá... Otro tostador: gtoaster (gnome-toaster). Prueba a ver si te mola... Espero haber ayudado en algo... Saludos. Pepe
Jornadas GNU/Linux, ¡te esperamos!
¡Hola amigos y amigas! Los invito a todos a las Jornadas GNU/Linux que estamos organizando para el 8, 9 y 10 de Junio en la ciudad de Santa Fe, provincia de Santa Fe, Argentina. Se darán temas de todos los niveles, con expositores con renombre en Argentina, se entregarán certificados, para mucha mas información, revisen este sitio: http://www.lunix.com.ar/jornadas.shtml No olviden de preinscribirse aquellos que vayan a venir, así la acreditación es mas ágil: http://www.lunix.com.ar/preinscripcion.shtml Cualquier consulta, haganla a esta direccion: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Saludos, Lucas Di Pentima Organización de Jornadas [LUNIX: Soluciones en GNU/Linux] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Podeis ver peliculas de cd-rom en formato divx
El dom, 01 de abr de 2001, a las 01:46:09 +0200, 31 se expresó así: Mucha gracias, ya lo he conseguido, ha sido realmente facil. El problema eran las librerias de windows que había que instalar en /usr/lib/win32, pero en la web divx.euro.ru, tienen un zip con ellas que simplemente lo descomprimes en el directorio y listo. A partir de ahí funciono el aviplay (avifile). Luego volví a probar con el xmps y también aunque tiene menos calidad de imagen. Y por último le he puesto el plugin al xmms y como dios, pongo las piniculas en su lista, play y ya, luego con le boton derecho del raton los pongo a plantalla completa o a ventana. Creo que la cosa es demasiado facil, como para que alguna persona subscrita a esta lista este viendo sus piniculas en windows por no poder hacerlo en linux, os animo a todos, en 20 minutos tendreis todo listo. De qué plugin hablas para el xmms? De todas formas, a mi me va fatal... El sonido es entrecortado, las imágenes casi se han de empujar para que salgan... Qué he hecho mal? Y que esto del xmps? Salida de dpkg -l xmps: No se ha encontrado ningún paquete que corresponda con xmps. Bueno, a ver si me echáis un cable, please!!! P.D.: En win lo veo bien y se oye bastante bien (al final, deja que desear, pero es que aquí ni los títulos!!! y es Matrix!!!) Gracias por vuestro tiempo y ayuda Saludos. Pepe
RE: Herramienta p/debianizar rpms
-Mensaje original- Que tal amigos...alguine me podria recomendar alguna buena herramienta para debianizar rpms, he leido en la lista algo al respecto y en este momento estoy necesitando algo asi. Gracias anticipadas... Has probado con alien? Carlos
Poner la Potato en cristiano
Bueno, supongo que esto ya se habr comentado alguna vez en la lista, pero no lo encuentro. Voy a instalar ahora en vacaciones la Potato 2.2r2 y quiero ponerla lo ms en espaol que se pueda. A ver si alguien me puede decir dnde hay documentacin sobre cmo hispanizarlo un poco (man en espaol, kde en espaol y todo lo que se pueda). Por cierto, es recomendable la woody para un principiante? (es que tambin tengo los CD's). Gracias por vuestra atencin y un saludo. Carlos
Curiosidades
Tengo algunas curiosidades (nada importante): 1.- Por qu tienen los correos de esta lista un chorro de nmeros aparentemente sin sentido con algo como PGP? Es algo de firmar los correos? 2.- Hay veces que veo que llegan por duplicado los correos (y no es que me respondan a m y a la lista). Es porque quien lo ha mandado le ha dado 2 veces al botn o hay alguna otra explicacin? 3.- Cmo es posible que alguien enve una pregunta como la del amigo David a esta lista? (Pregunta sobre el apagado de Windows ME). Bueno, por lo menos me he reido un ratn. Saludos desde Alicante. Carlos -
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Re: Cadê Recife-PE??????
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SiS 530
Estou co problemas ora configura minha placa SiS 530 no Debain... alguem pode me sa uma ajuda par instala essa placa ??? valeu t+
Re: SiS 530
havia pedido isso na lista anteriormente... o esquema é o seguinte http://www.sis.com.tw/support/download/driver.htm só baixa o driver no site da sis (acima) e segue as instruções que eles dao no site ... (pega o arquivo .tgz né...) com isso resolvi o problema... ou quase... - Original Message - From: [ P ]®ØÐ1g[ ¥ ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:26 AM Subject: SiS 530 Estou co problemas ora configura minha placa SiS 530 no Debain... alguem pode me sa uma ajuda par instala essa placa ??? valeu t+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problemas no login do X
Caras, consegui configurar legal minha placa de vídeo, porém... 1) no login gráfico, quando digito meu login e senha e dou enter, a tela pisca e volta para a tela de login como se nada tivesse acontecido... nao faço ideia doque seja. 2) minha tela virtual é maior que a física... Bem, é isso ai, obrigado pela ajuda... DANIEL CONFORTIN
RE: GNU (Re: Linux na Folha de SP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-Apr-2001 Lalo Martins wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:24:55PM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: ? uma quest?o de costume. Al?m disso, nem tudo em meu sistema ? GNU, ent?o em vez de falar GNU/BSD/Artistic/.../Linux, eu falo Linux, em refer?ncia ao kernel. Essa história de novo? :-/ O nome GNU não se refere ao fato de todos os componentes terem sido desenvolvidos pelo projeto GNU. O objetivo do projeto era criar um sistema inteiro que fosse livre, mesmo que pra isso alguns componentes fossem adaptados de outras fontes. (...) Esse sistema que nós usamos hoje - principalmente o Debian - é praticamente o sistema que vinha sendo reunido e integrado pelo projeto GNU há anos, powered by o kernel Linux. Por isso que muita gente acha injusto chamar de Linux e não de GNU. É, isso é um fato interessante que muita gente desconheçe. Eu pessoalmente gosto de dizer que uso GNU, ponto. Nem GNU/Linux. Senão, quem usa Windows ME teria que dizer que usa DOS, se o critério for o kernel ;-) Ok. Ok. Ok. Gente, vocês sabem que eu entendo a filosofia, e tudo mais. É só uma questão de costume. É que nem tentar convencer uma criança de que se deve falar ludopédio em vez de futebol, ela pode saber que aquilo é o certo, mas quero ver ela falar assim com os amigos :P Mas é óbvio que a parte que a GNU desempenha no GNU/Linux é tão importante que realmente mereça todo destaque possível. O único problema é meu costume em digitar só Linux mesmo. Portanto, quando me virem escrever Linux apenas, façam um regexp mental, ok? Aliás o hmh já tinha me avisado ontem que isso ia dar num puta flamewar, então gente, de uma vez por todas, afirmo - EU RESPEITO E ADMIRO A GNU POR TUDO QUE ELA NOS DEU! NÃO ME QUEIMEM NAS CHAMAS DOS SEUS E-MAILS INFLAMADOS! Obrigado. :) - -- carlos laviola - icq #55799523 $ chown us:us /your_base -R chown: what you say!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE61biJZAYCJzUW03IRAnIfAJ9crZCNTrUNTWwseuP8UrpYGyScCwCfQft9 g6TpXSg0Q5zLoCSyFmBTZO8= =wZGL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GNU (Re: Linux na Folha de SP)
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:15:37AM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-Apr-2001 Lalo Martins wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:24:55PM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: ? uma quest?o de costume. Al?m disso, nem tudo em meu sistema ? GNU, ent?o em vez de falar GNU/BSD/Artistic/.../Linux, eu falo Linux, em refer?ncia ao kernel. Essa hist?ria de novo? :-/ (...) Ok. Ok. Ok. Gente, voc?s sabem que eu entendo a filosofia, e tudo mais. ? s? uma quest?o de costume. ? que nem tentar convencer uma crian?a de que se deve falar ludop?dio em vez de futebol, ela pode saber que aquilo ? o certo, mas quero ver ela falar assim com os amigos :P Só pra deixar claro: eu pessoalmente não me importo que os usuários, principalmente quem divulga e defende como o Laviola, chamem seu sistema de Linux, GNU/Linux ou sanduíche de atum especial para capturar tigres. Eu pessoalmente chamo de GNU, ou no máximo Debian. O que eu achei que merecia um reply é o argumento incorreto que você colocou ali em cima sobre GNU/BSD/Artistic/.../Linux. Isso é uma coisa que me incomoda ler. []s, |alo + -- I say a prayer now our love's departed That you'll come back to stay Bring back the perfect day http://www.laranja.org/mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp key: http://www.laranja.org/pessoal/pgp Brazil of Darkness (RPG) --- http://www.BroDar.org/
RE: SiS 530
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-Apr-2001 [ P ]®ØÐ1g[ ¥ ] wrote: Estou co problemas ora configura minha placa SiS 530 no Debain... alguem pode me sa uma ajuda par instala essa placa ??? Sem você dizer o problema, fica difícil. A SiS tem uma página só para drivers de GNU/Linux, que fica aqui[1]. Mas você nem precisa pegá-los, porque, como diz na própria página, o suporte à SiS 530 já está incluso tanto no X 3.3.6 como nos da série 4.0. Mas há um guia de instalação na página que vai ser útil para você descobrir como configurar o kernel para suportar a sua placa propriamente. 1. http://www.sis.com.tw/support/download/linux.htm - -- carlos laviola - icq #55799523 $ chown us:us /your_base -R chown: what you say!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE61c79ZAYCJzUW03IRAvsIAJ9V7RR9VOr89hDX4Cd+Nhz1PfZ81gCfRJDG +RFMqTZf3WJ2W/vr28p+iBQ= =PVdI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GNU (Re: Linux na Folha de SP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-Apr-2001 Lalo Martins wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:15:37AM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: Ok. Ok. Ok. Gente, voc?s sabem que eu entendo a filosofia, e tudo mais. ? s? uma quest?o de costume. ? que nem tentar convencer uma crian?a de que se deve falar ludop?dio em vez de futebol, ela pode saber que aquilo ? o certo, mas quero ver ela falar assim com os amigos :P Só pra deixar claro: eu pessoalmente não me importo que os usuários, principalmente quem divulga e defende como o Laviola, chamem seu sistema de Linux, GNU/Linux ou sanduíche de atum especial para capturar tigres. Eu pessoalmente chamo de GNU, ou no máximo Debian. Isso, Debian é bom. :) (Debian = GNU/Linux, então falando Debian, estou falando GNU/Linux.) O que eu achei que merecia um reply é o argumento incorreto que você colocou ali em cima sobre GNU/BSD/Artistic/.../Linux. Isso é uma coisa que me incomoda ler. É, foi uma escolha incorreta de termos. O que eu quis dizer com aquilo é que existem outros componentes importantes também que não seriam o que se chama de GNU, e que se falasse apenas GNU, eu também estaria desmerecendo estes, mesmo que presentes em minoria. É por isso que eu prefiro dizer simplesmente que eu sou adepto do software livre, sem me ater a licenças específicas, até porque o Debian não faz discriminação alguma entre as licenças ao estilo do BSD e a GPL, por exemplo. - -- carlos laviola - icq #55799523 $ chown us:us /your_base -R chown: what you say!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE61dBsZAYCJzUW03IRAn8ZAJ9mcu2m70dSev84nhudHHSoc208egCfdjkh 0JmXdaBtFYmEKOXr8WFK8MI= =pTHr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Kylix
Alguém sabe como eu faço para enviar a assinatura pgp via attach ao invés de colocar no .signature, mas isso usando o mutt? Obrigado! On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 08:08:15PM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: On 02-Apr-2001 Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: HA! Então é por isso que todo mundo vem me falar do Kylix OpenSource, que o Kylix é Open Source... Estratégia inteligente de marketing... ele é Gratuito se você o usar para desenvolver aplicações open source ... safados! :) Agora caiu minha ficha... mas infelizmente não sei onde baixar. Se eu fosse programar pascal ia atras do freepascal e do lazarus. Nunca ouvi falar neste Lazarus, mas é o FreePascal que vou usar esse semestre, porque ele é semanticamente compatível com Turbo Pascal 7.0 (que é o que meu professor de Int. ao Processamento de Dados usa/adora). -- Carlos Laviola - ICQ 55799523 pub 1024D/3516D372 2000-06-05 Carlos Laviola [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 3BE1 6591 C78C 2AA4 31DD AEEF 6406 0227 3516 D372 I have a solar vocal ail! -- Marcelo Elias Del ValleUIN: 30595143 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mlinuxer.cjb.net MLinuxer The game of Evolution http://Evolution.sourceforge.net Clube da Engenharia Elétrica http://www.clubengeletria.f2s.com -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Gnome PGP version 0.4 mQGiBDrUyvoRBAC4sbx8CEXpmSe1+dBaqNmSQiO2W7B/kOgTwRmqwFk9ZcZUaRc/ GqtGfAbNxUorAscCP/Ac2zjf58wXIxe2zlEi43C6uNXLvNioqYjk+pxDbyBY98sd 5DmnfYW8fleiM0OehDi+GnERpWaSHprQNBIvkZIjo48tnTEOyN8eTEVYiwCgyBqk 2caUs94HUtuStg2RGKxT99UEAI2XwRFWGhhwQxOl1qhZnX6zal2pYE2j/dV3Oia+ lo1hI29HQljuVF3BNVmHDKWDMTCLYBnX3SAKhykhHjtfpnYCKyJSkL0TVf0+F4l8 JkocNvG3NVlXiaPMSObb5gWlHa4BVg14aF1Jfl8YpY4vthChLrHbx8jl/TT+EFUt w46LBACErxQ2eMJ8xo5/MjwisgPyBlxGX1uKqxp7ZbiWCL7xq5aDZFZnSOYvswsI d0cCClnJW4JpYrz8eJvsHaK+aJHoC9h7EvO3foMksSi/mcsQ3NuFAckfM9/lOu9e kmWazo38Pe9T0iSE3lsDvlKBSMPcyi7vMCBphj7z256L7+Pt8bQ5TWFyY2VsbyBF bGlhcyBEZWwgVmFsbGUgKG12YWxsZSkgPG1hcmNlbG9lbGlhc0BpbmFtZS5jb20+ iFcEExECABcFAjrUyvsFCwcKAwQDFQMCAxYCAQIXgAAKCRCrT/FNUdeQCiqHAJ9Y GcgnDLeIFvqmycGrgGHt+d/dbwCfVFt5exWi7jcj2LxBDayaavQHCS+5AQ0EOtTL ARAEAKBa7WJ6QfSGrZUmRk5xBHIUrsFVcDgjzxUmWZ7AYZrle+Eqa/uCILXnzGdG zB3iP9nzL/ZD8iS2jA/2X0QMNgGXyB9eF3Ii/XutV/MIbzA6J0kS8qiSgMrEABf6 7yvI+QPkp/5M8mpHrcxnfCpOzvJ5yNTgLkNLVTAynzpzCcwXAAMFA/9b+sEpDOY1 /HA795US76sWvjCTaR3WBlK6IaU3DXvYP1DqiUYB1AUAmw4FlHHXC4iLJPsyS+hR rnwDIiRLjs3l+udjR9neE7h3gQIasVgTE5xyN5TBT3KeN/+nzK0DbS9h8ecD5Z/W c1znqeTGPFOXsrIiQaInQS2i/HBxG7o3xIhGBBgRAgAGBQI61MsBAAoJEKtP8U1R 15AKEP0AoL7QCA5d9mm0rNXs/2WVRfeMsAvdAJ0QVRF2RokU6o/Kt2zTiFMGNzq/ 9A== =5FgA -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: Kylix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-Apr-2001 Marcelo Elias Del Valle wrote: Alguém sabe como eu faço para enviar a assinatura pgp via attach ao invés de colocar no .signature, mas isso usando o mutt? echo set pgp_autosign ~/.muttrc O que eu tenho (tinha, agora fica nos headers das minhas mensagens) na minha assinatura é apenas o fingerprint da minha chave GnuPG. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Gnome PGP version 0.4 Não inclua sua chave pública toda na mensagem, faça upload dela para keyservers (ex.: wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net) e apenas assine suas mensagens. É fácil configurar o GPG pra buscar chaves em keyservers quando você checa assinaturas de pessoas cuja chave pública você não possui em seu keyring. - -- carlos laviola - icq #55799523 $ chown us:us /your_base -R chown: what you say!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE61dvuZAYCJzUW03IRAu1KAJ4pl46rLyBcstHf1j6nX0X6vdNQngCfaScQ DOiP+KCt4z1j3a4Gi+zkR6Y= =9oIW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Kylix
Olá pessoal. Eu estou meio ausente da lista por falta de tempo, infelizmente, portanto desculpem a demora por mandar esse comentário, mas eu acho importante... Pelo que eu fiquei sabendo, a Borland liberou grátis (não sei se open source, mas creio que não...) as ferramentas de compilação por linha de comando. Não só para linux, também para windows. Contúdo, o construtor de interfaces RAD do delphi/kylix, o IDE e toda o resto não foi liberado. Muito provavelmente a Imprise irá liberar daqui a algum tempo, seguindo o mesmo esquema que faz com windows. A cada versão nova do delphi, a versão com o major number da nova versão menos 2 costuma ou ser liberada ou vendida a preço de banana (por exemplo, versão nova = 6.0, versao free = 4.x), inclusive em revistas de informática que vem com cdrom. Quanto às implementações open source do pascal, creio que, embora muito interessantes, não tenham a mesma importância que o kylix tem para a comunidade linux. Com o kylix, as inúmeras software houses que usam hoje delphi + windows terão a opção de usar kylix. Elas pagam pelo kylix, mas não pelo sistema operacional e pelas inúmeras ferramentas que passam a ficar disponíveis, como gcc, qtez, ddd, kdb, xemacs, etc. Outro fator importantíssimo é que programas já feitos para windows podem ser portados de modo muito fácil para linux. Imaginem qual será o crescimento do número de programas para linux... Se um programa feito em delphi não tem nenhuma chamada direta para funções da API do windows, basta abrir o projeto no kylix e compilar... Não sei como está esse fator no kylix, mas talvez seja possível até crosscompiling, ou seja, você programa em linux e gera programas para windows. Eu tenho feito isso aqui em casa usando glade/gtk+, o resultado tem agradado... Com o kylix, deve estar ainda melhor... Diga-se de passagem, até que enfim alguém colocou o deb do crosscompiler para windows na dist da debian, o responsável merece um parabéns! Eu sei que a maioria de vocês já tem opinião formada sobre isso, mas é que eu sei que muita gente que assina a lista tem interesse em aprender e não tem idéia de porque o kylix é importante... Eu acho ele importantíssimo, essa atitude que a Imprise está tomando, bem ou mal, nunca seria tomada pela Microsoft com uma ferramenta como Visual Basic. Acho correto críticarmos quem está dizendo que o kylix é open source, isso eu creio vir da grande confusão da cabeça das pessoas que não estão acostumadas com GPL e free software, mas acho correto apoiar o kylix, pois o linux tende a crescer muito em número de aplicações às quais pode ser aplicado se o kylix pegar no mercado. Espero que começem logo a portar programas delphi para linux. Até mais, Marcelo. -- Marcelo Elias Del ValleUIN: 30595143 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mlinuxer.cjb.net MLinuxer The game of Evolution http://Evolution.sourceforge.net Clube da Engenharia Elétrica http://www.clubengeletria.f2s.com -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Gnome PGP version 0.4 mQGiBDrUyvoRBAC4sbx8CEXpmSe1+dBaqNmSQiO2W7B/kOgTwRmqwFk9ZcZUaRc/ GqtGfAbNxUorAscCP/Ac2zjf58wXIxe2zlEi43C6uNXLvNioqYjk+pxDbyBY98sd 5DmnfYW8fleiM0OehDi+GnERpWaSHprQNBIvkZIjo48tnTEOyN8eTEVYiwCgyBqk 2caUs94HUtuStg2RGKxT99UEAI2XwRFWGhhwQxOl1qhZnX6zal2pYE2j/dV3Oia+ lo1hI29HQljuVF3BNVmHDKWDMTCLYBnX3SAKhykhHjtfpnYCKyJSkL0TVf0+F4l8 JkocNvG3NVlXiaPMSObb5gWlHa4BVg14aF1Jfl8YpY4vthChLrHbx8jl/TT+EFUt w46LBACErxQ2eMJ8xo5/MjwisgPyBlxGX1uKqxp7ZbiWCL7xq5aDZFZnSOYvswsI d0cCClnJW4JpYrz8eJvsHaK+aJHoC9h7EvO3foMksSi/mcsQ3NuFAckfM9/lOu9e kmWazo38Pe9T0iSE3lsDvlKBSMPcyi7vMCBphj7z256L7+Pt8bQ5TWFyY2VsbyBF bGlhcyBEZWwgVmFsbGUgKG12YWxsZSkgPG1hcmNlbG9lbGlhc0BpbmFtZS5jb20+ iFcEExECABcFAjrUyvsFCwcKAwQDFQMCAxYCAQIXgAAKCRCrT/FNUdeQCiqHAJ9Y GcgnDLeIFvqmycGrgGHt+d/dbwCfVFt5exWi7jcj2LxBDayaavQHCS+5AQ0EOtTL ARAEAKBa7WJ6QfSGrZUmRk5xBHIUrsFVcDgjzxUmWZ7AYZrle+Eqa/uCILXnzGdG zB3iP9nzL/ZD8iS2jA/2X0QMNgGXyB9eF3Ii/XutV/MIbzA6J0kS8qiSgMrEABf6 7yvI+QPkp/5M8mpHrcxnfCpOzvJ5yNTgLkNLVTAynzpzCcwXAAMFA/9b+sEpDOY1 /HA795US76sWvjCTaR3WBlK6IaU3DXvYP1DqiUYB1AUAmw4FlHHXC4iLJPsyS+hR rnwDIiRLjs3l+udjR9neE7h3gQIasVgTE5xyN5TBT3KeN/+nzK0DbS9h8ecD5Z/W c1znqeTGPFOXsrIiQaInQS2i/HBxG7o3xIhGBBgRAgAGBQI61MsBAAoJEKtP8U1R 15AKEP0AoL7QCA5d9mm0rNXs/2WVRfeMsAvdAJ0QVRF2RokU6o/Kt2zTiFMGNzq/ 9A== =5FgA -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Matando processos D
Olá pessoal, Estou tendo um problema com o `sg driver'. O cdrecord para no meio da gravação e não aborta, nem com CTRL+C nem com `$ kill -9 PID'. O processo reporta estar em estado D (uninterruptible sleep (usually IO), segundo ps(1)). Há alguma maneira de pará-lo, fora a reinicialização o sistema? Obrigado, --- Raphael DephiNit Pereira -=-*-=-*-=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=-*-=-*-=-
Re: Matando processos D
Estou tendo um problema com o `sg driver'. O cdrecord para no meio da gravação e não aborta, nem com CTRL+C nem com `$ kill -9 PID'. O processo reporta estar em estado D (uninterruptible sleep (usually IO), segundo ps(1)). Há alguma maneira de pará-lo, fora a reinicialização o sistema? Se o processo não aceita uma chamada kill(), então não tem como. Pode ser falha de hardware. Às vezes, aguardando um pouco, o kernel trata a interrupção do sinal kill e termina o processo. Às vezes, também, o processo vira um zombie, daí quem trabalha com estações/servidores que ficam um bom tempo em pé costuma achar vários zombies rodando (netscape sempre tem). -- Hélio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel.: + 55 11 6224-1795 Division Multiservice Networks - First Deployments Public Key = http://cipsga.procempa.com.br/oks/pt_BR/ (pgp-i 2.6.3) http://www.engnux.ufsc.br/helio/identity.pub.txt /\ \ / Campanha da fita ASCII - Contra mail HTML X ASCII ribbon campaign - Against HTML mail / \
Erro no X server
O erro eh esse: X: exec of /usr/bin/X11/XF86_SVGA failed _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): Unable to conect to X server xinit: No such porcess (errno 3): Server error sera q tem como me da uma ajuda pra resolve isso ??? :(
Re: GNU (Re: Linux na Folha de SP)
Pessoal, acho que as flamewars são uma coisa muito antiga: uma das primeiras foi a discussão sobre o sexo dos anjos em Constantinopla, há mais de 1.000 anos atrás. :-D Além de antiga, totalmente inútil. Contudo, eu disse que a revista Amanhã, que escreve GNU/Linux o tempo todo, era mais preciosista que todo mundo nesta lista. Talvez isso tenha dado ocasião desta discussão ter começado. Por isso, tentarei escrever algo outra vez: penso que sanduíche de atum especial seria mesmo um bom nome para o Linux. Mesmo que não fosse para capturar tigres. :-D Mas também acho importante lembrar que o pessoal do GNU, se não começou com a história do software livre, foi quem deu o espírito da coisa. Mais ou menos como quando se fala linguagem de programação orientada ao objeto, pensa-se em Smalltalk, em vez de Simula67, que foi a primeira. Além disso, o pessoal do GNU batalhou politicamente, em mídia escrita impressa e falada, e batalha muito. Já ouvi muita gente chamando o pessoal da GNU -- em especial o Stallman --, de superado, radical etc. Mas se não fossem eles, talvez nem houvesse o que hoje chamamos de Linux. Por isso, fiz o comentário. Pessoalmente digo sempre Linux, em vez de GNU/Linux. Em vez até mesmo de sanduíche de atum especial para capturar tigres. :-) Uma vez mais, no flamewar intended, please... Agora, vem a pergunta: quando digo Linux, acentuo o u -- Linuux. Alguns me corrigem para Liinux, mas eu fico na dúvida: seria Lainux? Seria Lainacs? Como será que é esse nome em finlandês, a língua do pai da matéria? []s, Hilton P.S.: mas por que sanduíche de atum? É verdade que os tigres gostam mesmo? --- Carlos Laviola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-Apr-2001 Lalo Martins wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 11:15:37AM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: Ok. Ok. Ok. Gente, voc?s sabem que eu entendo a filosofia, e tudo mais. ? s? uma quest?o de costume. ? que nem tentar convencer uma crian?a de que se deve falar ludop?dio em vez de futebol, ela pode saber que aquilo ? o certo, mas quero ver ela falar assim com os amigos :P Só pra deixar claro: eu pessoalmente não me importo que os usuários, principalmente quem divulga e defende como o Laviola, chamem seu sistema de Linux, GNU/Linux ou sanduíche de atum especial para capturar tigres. Eu pessoalmente chamo de GNU, ou no máximo Debian. Isso, Debian é bom. :) (Debian = GNU/Linux, então falando Debian, estou falando GNU/Linux.) O que eu achei que merecia um reply é o argumento incorreto que você colocou ali em cima sobre GNU/BSD/Artistic/.../Linux. Isso é uma coisa que me incomoda ler. É, foi uma escolha incorreta de termos. O que eu quis dizer com aquilo é que existem outros componentes importantes também que não seriam o que se chama de GNU, e que se falasse apenas GNU, eu também estaria desmerecendo estes, mesmo que presentes em minoria. É por isso que eu prefiro dizer simplesmente que eu sou adepto do software livre, sem me ater a licenças específicas, até porque o Debian não faz discriminação alguma entre as licenças ao estilo do BSD e a GPL, por exemplo. - -- carlos laviola - icq #55799523 $ chown us:us /your_base -R chown: what you say!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE61dBsZAYCJzUW03IRAn8ZAJ9mcu2m70dSev84nhudHHSoc208egCfdjkh 0JmXdaBtFYmEKOXr8WFK8MI= =pTHr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: GNU (Re: Linux na Folha de SP)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13-Apr-2001 Hilton Fernandes wrote: Agora, vem a pergunta: quando digo Linux, acentuo o u -- Linuux. Alguns me corrigem para Liinux, mas eu fico na dúvida: seria Lainux? Seria Lainacs? Como será que é esse nome em finlandês, Nenhum dos dois, o Linus é esperto, fala Linux que nem eu: Línux. Ouça http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/linus.au. a língua do pai da matéria? Não é não. A primeira lingua dele é o sueco, porque ele nasceu numa área da Finlândia em que o sueco é mais popular que o finlandês. (Ver ítem 6 da FAQ não-oficial sobre Linus Torvalds, em http://hurkle.thyrsus.com/~esr/faqs/linus/) - -- carlos laviola - icq #55799523 $ chown us:us /your_base -R chown: what you say!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE61m0gZAYCJzUW03IRAn3KAJ96WKyp6IKuIYPpbby6d7XOn/iqWQCdEXVy Z9suRPmrZnYz7stp6vH4oTE= =s0bL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: gdm login is broken in unstable(?)
I had the same problem and it isn't gdm, rather it has to do with a broken ssh-agent. I just commented out the lines in /etc/gdm/sessions/Gnome that start ssh-agent and it seemd to work after that. I have attached the session file on my system. (I don't really know if this was the most correct way to fix it but it serves me well) David Monarres [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:56:47 Miles Bader wrote: As of today I can't login via gdm anymore; it accepts my userid and password, restarts X, and then just restarts X again and shows the gdm login dialog. /var/log/auth.log shows something like: Apr 12 10:44:28 mcspd15 PAM_unix[8872]: (gdm) session opened for user miles by (uid=0) Apr 12 10:44:29 mcspd15 PAM_unix[8864]: (gdm) session closed for user miles /var/log/XFree86.0.log shows nothing unusual (no error messages or anything). Another message on this list (subject `startx not working') mentions a similar problem, and someone replied that the `libpam0g' package was somehow involved; I tried replacing that package with the version from testing, but the same problem still occurs. Does anyone have any idea how to work around this problem? I'd really like to use X! Thanks, -Miles p.s. Please keep me in To/CC; I don't read this mailing list directly. -- Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come. --Nietzsche -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gnome Description: Binary data
[OT] kapm-idled takes up 77% of CPU?
Dig this: 3 root 20 0 00 0 SW 0 74.0 0.0 672:35 kapm-idled 10858 root 10 0 35540 8332 1628 S 0 0.5 6.5 0:03 X 4208 root 9 0 968 964 744 S 0 0.3 0.7 0:14 dozed 31364 krzys 10 0 1492 1492 692 R 0 0.3 1.1 0:00 top 167 root 9 096 5252 R 0 0.1 0.0 0:00 gpm 31488 krzys 9 0 6564 6564 2948 S 0 0.1 5.1 0:02 emacs 31638 krzys 9 0 928 924 732 S 0 0.1 0.7 0:00 e 31658 root 9 0 248 248 196 S 0 0.1 0.1 0:00 sleep 1 root 8 0 160 124 104 S 0 0.0 0.0 0:04 init 2 root 9 0 00 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 keventd 4 root 9 0 00 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 kswapd 5 root 9 0 00 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 kreclaimd This is a 2.4.2 kernel on an i686. I run a daemon which relies on vmstat to put my box in apm --suspend when the CPU is reasonably idle, and this screws it up. Anyone got a patch, or know which APM feature to disable in the kernel? Note that I need at least basic APM support. -chris
Re: gdm login is broken in unstable(?)
David Monarres [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had the same problem and it isn't gdm, rather it has to do with a broken ssh-agent. I just commented out the lines in /etc/gdm/sessions/Gnome that start ssh-agent and it seemd to work after that. Hey thanks, that fixes things perfectly! [Did'ya file a bug report?] -Miles -- Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come. --Nietzsche
Re: WindowMaker Rocks!! ;-) (Was: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces)
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:51:38PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 08:13:22AM +0800, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You missed my favorite icewm (in 3 flavors - -gnome -lite). The most Windows-like wm (not counting KDE's). Legacy MS Windows is not necessarially the Gold Standard® of GUI shell design. Amen to that, brother! You also have various options for opening menus. By default, right-mouse on root window is apps menu, middle mouse is window list. These are bound to F11 and F12 as well. Yes, I know my wmaker menus fairly well, but I bind hotkeys to everything common... F9 for netscape, F10 to bring up an Eterm (What can I say? I like the flashy stuff sometimes...), Windows-Z (a lot of apps like to use Alt-foo themselves, so I've got all my wmaker hotkeys bound to Windows-foo instead) to lock the screen, F12-Up-Right-Enter to log out, F12-Down-Enter for GIMP. That's about all I ever use. (Anything else, I start from an Eterm.) Incidentally, WPrefs is reason #15,835 for loving WindowMaker -- this is one slick, well-thought out, and functional configuration utility. There's little that I want configured which it doesn't provide for. Anyhow, the real reason for my reply: Why do you like WPrefs so much? I used it initially, then discovered wmakerconf. At that point, there were some things that could only be done in WPrefs, so I used both, but, IIRC, wmakerconf now does everything that WPrefs does, plus quite a bit more. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
Re: NFS mount at startup
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:15:45PM -0500, Stephen E. Hargrove wrote: How do I prevent NFS filesystems from mounting when I start up my computer. As the system is booting, it attempts to mount them, and I only want them mounted when I want them. Here's one example from my fstab: papa:/music/music nfs rsize=1024,wsize=1024 0 0 Add noauto to the list of mount options. (If you're using noauto, you'll probably want to add user also, so that you don't have to be root to mount or unmount the fs.) -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
download problem
I am trying to download the Debian intallation files (first time installation) from the website using the ftp ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ the ftp program has already downloaded data more than 2.4 gigs and is still going on. I was wondering what is the size of the installation files and am I doing the right operation. Help in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks rahul
Unable to locate libpixmap.so
As a normal user, when I execute xmms, I get the following warnings: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: libpixmap.so And then xmms fires up and proceeds to work quite happily. However, I don't get this message if/when I execute xmms as root. dpkg -S libpixmap doesn't reveal anything, which leads me to wonder (1) why normal users receive the message, yet root does not; and (2) what package do I need in order to satisfy the libpixmap request? -- steve * Linux : http://exitwound.org Mozart: http://mozart.sourceforge.net Buck : http://www.BuckOwensFan.com *
Re: download problem
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 12:40:42AM -0400, Rahul Agarwal wrote: I am trying to download the Debian intallation files (first time installation) from the website using the ftp ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ the ftp program has already downloaded data more than 2.4 gigs and is still going on. I was wondering what is the size of the installation files and am I doing the right operation. Help in this regard will be appreciated. I would strongly suggest you read the installation instructions at - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/#new-inst If your trying to download the iso to burn - http://cdimage.debian.org/ If your trying to do an ftp install you just need 6 floppies. At any rate it seems to me your downloading everything from the ftp site. You don't need to do that. Read the installation directions and then post back about what you don't understand. Also set your mail client to wrap to 72 characters. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of The Panther - R. M. Rilke
Re: Progeny Debian
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 08:11:41PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:52:44PM -0500, Bud Rogers wrote: On Wednesday 11 April 2001 19:37, Rob VanFleet wrote: Did you file a bug report with them? It's the least you could do. Good grief, Rob. Didn't anyone ever teach you how to trim quotes? Oh no, another flamewar in the making :) Heh, I really don't have the time to get involved in flamewar over quotes. Normally, yes I do trim quotes. This particular time, I was lazy. Sue me. : ) -Rob
Gnome with sawfish gdm
I downloaded gdm, and it lets met boot into gnome, but gnome defaults to window maker. How do I tell gdm to launch gnome with sawfish? Nice debian-themed background, by the way, that comes up in gnome/window maker by default. -- Stephen
Apache config problem
Am I missing a apckage or something, getting this weird message when i run apacheconfig: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/sbin/apacheconfig li 490.
quick logitech wheel mouse howto?
I would like to know how to enable logitech wheel mouse so I can use it for scrolling. right now my configuration in xfree86-4 under input devices driver mouse protocol IMPS/2 does not seem to work... TIA _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces
On Thursday 12 April 2001 08:54, John Hasler wrote: csj writes: To open a new app you have to click at the desktop (or is there some abstruse keyboard shortcut?) Yes. Type the name of the app into a terminal. Suffix a '' if you don't want it to take over the terminal. That begs the question. How then do I jump to the terminal if it's behind a number of open windows? I do know there's something like grun (with a --persist option) for launching apps. But it doesn't provide a quick way to alt-tab to a running but minimized app.
user masquerading with qmail
Hello guys, where do I have to put MAILHOST and MAILUSER to get user masquerading with qmail working? In the FAQ they say you should put them in your environment. So I've put them in the .bashrc of the user, but the user wasn't masqueraded. So what is the correct place for these variables? Greetings Florian -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
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Re: quick logitech wheel mouse howto?
On Thursday 12 April 2001 07:34, john smith wrote: I would like to know how to enable logitech wheel mouse so I can use it for scrolling. right now my configuration in xfree86-4 under input devices Please send all your InputDevice sections and the ServerLayout sections, as well as the exact type of mouse.
Re: How do you broadcast a message?
Michael P. Soulier wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 11:05:24AM -0700, Known Human Nick Rusnov wrote: that is done with the command 'wall'. Interesting. I get an error, as root or any other user. wall: /dev/:0: No such file or directory That bug is fixed in unstable. -- see shy jo
Re: Funny Story
Steve Witt wrote: I don't know if this story is true or not, but I hope it is. A guy who is our sys admin said he read on a sys admin type mailing list that the crew of the International Space Station are having some computer problems just like a lot us down here on earth. It seems that the U.S. provided computers running AIX and Win NT. A Win NT computer is being used as an SMTP server. Apparently the crew are becoming experienced Win NT sys admins because they are having all kinds of problems with the SMTP server. Yes, you can read all about it in the journal of one of the astronauts. The Russians brought computers running Linux. They seem not to be having SMTP server problems. I haven't seen any evidense it's linux though, or any mention of what OS it is. OTOH, remember that debian has flown in space before.. -- see shy jo
Re: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces
csj wrote: Which brings me to my favorite lite-wm peeve. Why do most of them lack a persistent menu/taskbar? Take Blackbox (a favorite from the posts I have read). To open a new app you have to click at the desktop (or is there some abstruse keyboard shortcut?) to bring up the app-ropriate menu The problem: how do you click at the desktop when you have a maximized app filling the screen? Ditto for WindowMaker (though I have found out there's a keyboard shortcut). You can pin any of windowmakers menus up, you know. Besides, there's the dock, and the clip. -- see shy jo
Re: outgoing mail header address qyestion
ktb wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:51:41PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently, I am using mutt to access my schools imap server. it's been working great now I have another email account (pop3) and I use fetchmail to retrive it. My problem is that whenever I reply my outgoing email address is always the one with the imap server. (i.e. .edu) what I would like to be able to accomplish is I would like to reply as whoever the mail was sent to. OK if I get you right you have two email addresses you would like to have displayed on your From: line. [...] You can override this by putting a line in your ~/.muttrc file. Here is the one I use - my_hdr From: ktb [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could create two files one called ~/.muttrc and one ~./muttrc2 Put a my_hdr line, one for isp1 in one file and one for isp2 in the other. I think you can do this with a hook. Have a look at 4.4 (specifically the example in 4.4.1...). I'm sure you can come up with something more imaginative and appropriate based on this. Get your own FREE E-mail address at http://www.linuxfreemail.com Linux FREE Mail is 100% FREE, 100% Linux, and 100% yours!
Re: outgoing mail header address qyestion
* ktb [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-12 08:40 +0200: On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:51:41PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently, I am using mutt to access my schools imap server. it's been working great now I have another email account (pop3) and I use fetchmail to retrive it. My problem is that whenever I reply my outgoing email address is always the one with the imap server. (i.e. .edu) what I would like to be able to accomplish is I would like to reply as whoever the mail was sent to. I am using exim as my mta. my relevant eximconfig file is attached. [...] You could create two files one called ~/.muttrc and one ~./muttrc2 Put a my_hdr line, one for isp1 in one file and one for isp2 in the other. Then at the command line when you fire up mutt you could source which file you want with the following - $ mutt -F ~/.muttrc respond to mail from isp1 [...] Never personally tried it, but maybe the sections of the mutt manual 6.3.174 reverse_name 6.3.175 reverse_realname are what you're looking for. Andre Berger[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpgy3cVpLXq8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Fujitsu lifebook
Does anyone know if this mini-portable is supported with debian ? I'm looking forward to use it for some admin-tasks ... Joris
DROPPED: OT : GUI Interfaces
oh well, i'll DROP this subject, apparently there is NO reasoning possible on this subject -Original Message- From: Alan Shutko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 11 april 2001 22:07 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT : GUI Interfaces Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It [X] IS a fantastic system, indeed, but it weighs on your computers resources. X has run on machines so small and slow they haven't been sold in over a decade. X also runs now on machines which can fit in the palm of your hand. Also, what's the use for those strenghts i cannot grasp in a stand-alone configuration ? Actually, I don't understand the use of a standalone system, since I don't own any. They're _all_ connected. (I suppose some embedded systems would count, but you're not running But in answer to your question: on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 04:20:45PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Does anyone know of a non X GUI interface wich has a number of applications Sure: * BeOS * MacOS * Windows There's nothing on Linux that has any decent quantities of apps ported to it. Easy to check... find the 5 biggest apps you use. See what other Unix GUIs they support. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In a variety of flavors! You can get *anywhere* in ten minutes if you drive fast enough. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
V4L, Xirlink camera problems
I recently bought a Xirlink (IBM) PC Camera and after reading as much documentation as I could find compiled the 2.4.3 kernel with usb support and the ibmcam driver. According to the information at http://www.linux-usb.org/ibmcam/ and my /proc/bus/usb/devices, my camera is a Model 2, supported by the driver that comes with the kernel. The module loads fine and at least thinks its being used, niels:/usr/doc/kernel-doc-2.4.3/Documentation/usb# lsmod Module Size Used by ibmcam 23920 1 pcnet3211536 1 via82cxxx_audio17120 1 ac97_codec 7808 0 [via82cxxx_audio] when I have xawtv running, but for the life of me I cannot get any images from the thing. I know the computer is talking to the camera because the light on the camera lights up every time I try to use it, but I get consistent errors no matter what I do. I'v tried various programs but none work and xawtv gives the most verbose errors so I'll give the results of that. I'v loaded the ibmcam module with various videosize settings, and tried to match that with what xawtv expects: niels:/# modprobe ibmcam videosize=1 niels:/# xawtv -remote -geometry=352x288 -bpp 8 This is xawtv-3.43, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.3) x11: remote display (overlay disabled) wmhooks: netwm /root/.xawtv:1: error: no section no infrared remote support available ioctl: VIDIOCMCAPTURE(0,fmt=0,size=0x0): Invalid argument ioctl: VIDIOCMCAPTURE(0,fmt=5,size=64x48): Invalid argument v4l: oops: got sigalarm ioctl: VIDIOCSYNC(0): Interrupted system call ioctl: VIDIOCMCAPTURE(0,fmt=1,size=64x48): Invalid argument ioctl: VIDIOCMCAPTURE(0,fmt=7,size=64x48): Invalid argument grab: no match for: 384x288 32 bit TrueColor (LE: bgr-) ioctl: VIDIOCMCAPTURE(0,fmt=7,size=64x48): Invalid argument the -remote option is to turn overlay off which insisted on giving an error as well. It seems that xawtv is stubborly trying to capture images (or video, whichever I try once in the program itself) at 384x288 and 32 bit color, despite my explicit command line request that it not do so. Obviously I don't understand whats goin on here... That sigalarm doesn't look friendly either... Any help? Thanks, -Dan
RE: macosX : water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
Linus himself was flaming MacOsX not that long ago ... said the kernel (mach?) was a *total* piece of crap -Original Message- From: csj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 12 april 2001 1:23 To: Debian User List Subject: Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink. On Wednesday 11 April 2001 16:06, Ethan Benson wrote: On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:52:54PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: now MacOS X, which is housetrained Unix, [...] thats not what i would call it. i would call it a neutered Unix thats been run over by a truck. Strong words. What makes you say that? Just curious. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP - CS423x sound config and Debian Potato...
Hello All Again, I managed to get the sound up and running. Just in case other people are reading this, I thought I'd just share what I did (if you know this already, please SKIP!!! ;-) : 1. downloaded kernel source for the kernel I was running 2. downloaded kernel HEADERS (had to, because version.h exists in that package, not the first one. ALSA compile needs that) 3. downloaded LATEST ALSA drivers (0.5.10) 4. followed instructions to ./configure 5. make install 6. make sure the kernel sound support is loaded, along with soundcore (though I have a feeling it would not have been neccessary) 6. run alsaconf 7. selected my card : CS4236B (found out after further hunting on the net) 8. filled in options as given by Win98 Device Manager AND www.alsa-project.org FAQs (VERY HELPFUL!) 9. listen to alsa play a test file 10. run xmms and hey presto! However, I am still uncertain which version of gnome I am using, but the with the gnome sound server, all sound disappears. But I will leave that for another day. I am currently disabling all sounds in gnome by disabling its sound server. freeamp also does not run properly for some reason, but I assume this is also another program-specific configuration problem, not OS driver related. I got my mp3's playin' and I'm happy. Also, alsa-utils did not compile cleanly because it needed ncurses.h from libncurses4/5-dev. However, I still did not manage to succesfully get it compiled yet. I assume that since I have sound this package of programs aren't so critical to getting sound up and running. Thanks again for the info below. I think it showed me that ALSA was the better way to go. Best regards Carl Tan. On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 08:35:42AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Any help here to get it started (either ALSA or sndconfig or modprobe I'm not fussy :-) would be greatly appreciated. I tried google and read many suggestions (all of them reflected by my attempts above), but to no avail. Could some kind soul please help me? I have looked through debian-user's archives till Aug. 2000 but nothing on this was ever mentioned. Ok, lets see... If you have make-kpkg, gcc and friends installed, install alsa-source, cd /usr/src ; tar -zxvf alsa-driver.tar.gz ; cd modules/alsa-driver ; ./configure --with-cards=cs4232 ; cd /usr/src/linux ; env MODULES_LOC=/usr/src/modules make-kpkg modules_image ; cd .. ; dpkg -i alsa-modules-* Then do /etc/init.d/alsa start. Dima -- E-mail dmaziuk at bmrb dot wisc dot edu (@work) or at crosswinds dot net (@home) http://www.bmrb.wisc.edu/descript/gpgkey.dmaziuk.ascii -- GnuPG 1.0.4 public key I'm going to exit now since you don't want me to replace the printcap. If you change your mind later, run -- magicfilter config script -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbiedoc, vim and latex
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:47:10PM -0500, will trillich wrote: | | Can I write it in LaTeX? I want to learn to use latex effectively. Benji Fisher has some nice stuff for writing Latex with Vim on his site http://sites.netscape.net/bbenjif/vim HTH Glyn -- so here we are then http://members.tripod.co.uk/Christchurch2000uk Running Debian/Gnu Linux 9:32am up 1:32, 2 users, load average: 0.17, 0.05, 0.16
The reason for Star Office 5.2 breakage
(Posted on both lists since there's active discussion on both lists concerning this problem.) Five minutes ago I found the package that breaks Star Office the way that has been described on numerous emails. The package Star Office has problems with is sharefont. When sharefont 0.10-9 is installed, Star Office gives a very informative message stating that an unrecoverable error has happened every time I try to create a new document or open an existing one. apt-get remove sharefont solved the problem. Since I my knowledge on X fonts can quite accurately described as none, I wouldnät count on me to find much more information about the problem. I hope someone more competent with this same problem will look at the package and file a bug report with more information than that I could give. Suonpää...
RE: OT : GUI Interfaces
well don't mind me, i'm just poking at those who know in order to learn -Original Message- From: Karsten M. Self [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 12 april 2001 0:55 To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' Subject: Re: OT : GUI Interfaces on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 09:42:30PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: -Original Message- From: Karsten M. Self [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 11 april 2001 20:31 To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' Subject: Re: OT : GUI Interfaces on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 04:20:45PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Does anyone know of a non X GUI interface wich has a number of applications ported to it ? I keep wondering if X is the answer to Gui's for linux, it is after all a hefty piece of software to run ... This question comes from reading up on AtheOS wich uses a proprietary interface wich is reportedly working very well and fast ... Since X is, after all those years, not the most userfriendly piece of software i'm looking for something else, if available. X isn't a GUI, it's a network-enabled window management system. And you probably don't grasp its strengths. If you mean does anyone know of a GUI development toolkit that's not specific to X, the answer becomes: Tcl/Tk and Qt. I suspect, however, that the question has some degree of confusion over its own identity and direction. Cheers. Although i must admit to have written a somewhat technically confusing mail i thought my point would come across, since i was referring to ^ Problems with your shift key? AtheOS wich does NOT use X to build it's interface. Didn't know that did ya ! Should you have known this you wouldn't bother pointing out someones apparent ignorance wich seems to be a hobby of yours. AtheOS, as I've since learned from other sources, is a free clone of BeOS. I assume its graphics subsystem is similar, though I admit near total ignorance of BeOS as well. Yes, X is a network enabled window managment system wich allows a client to run the interface of it's liking and allows remote logins to a server over the network and so on wich is very nice for people collaborating on projects, you don't believe your eyes the first time you see that kind of functionality in action (i didn't), beats M$ TerminalServer. But name me more than one or even ONE public service that uses these 'strengths'. Most public services these days are HTML based. Future directions may vary, but you're likely to see a variant of tagged content with rendering at the client side moving forward. The public aspect of the service has nothing, nada, zero, zilch, to do with the display aspect. OTOH, I can think of many applications I've used which benefit greatly from the ability to export all display aspects to a remote display server It IS a fantastic system, indeed, but it weighs on your computers resources. You are ignorant of what you speak. Also, what's the use for those strenghts i cannot grasp in a stand-alone configuration? As with others, I have few standalone systems. I'm typing currently on my laptop on an rxvt session served out from my desktop, which might be in the same room, or around the world. ...speaking of which, how do you access these public services of yours on your standalone systems? But that i did not mention, that's true. I apparently understand the potential of X but i don't have to grasp it's strenghts since i'm working in a stand-alone environment and do not work with this type of environment in a . This still is a public mailinglist you know, even dumb people can post a mail :) Ain't that the truth. BTW, ignorance is not a crime. I expect people to make mistakes. I'd prefer them to make lots of them. Very few times each. I'm not a developper and thus not interested in Tcl/Tk or Qt to write my own Gui, though i would feel tempted if i could. I'm not that a talented person. Don't understand how you came up with this. Then what the hell are you asking about? X is a display protocol. It has problems, none of which have been identified by you. Behavior, policy, and appearance of the display is fully independent of the subsystem itself. This is where toolkits and the like come it. You're ignorant of these facts, yet you're advising us on what future directions for GNU/Linux GUI development. If you're going to inform us, seek to be informed first. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
RE: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces
Thanks, i'll look into that so i won't be the dumb ass i'm now -Original Message- From: Karsten M. Self [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 12 april 2001 1:44 To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' Subject: Re: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 05:05:21PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: hmmm, i don't think you're missing anything, X does indeed provide a graphicall shell to run a gui on, i'll have to rephrase my question to, does anyone know a GOOD desktop that doesn't weigh a TON on an older system. Or more precisely, an environment where you don't have to manually configure your menu's, that's a plus in the windows os desktop you know maybe i just need a good read on X and gui's ? any resource would be welcome ... Debian configures most menus for you. WindowMaker, my preference. Gratuitous screenshots at http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Images/Desktop/ It's running very happily on my PPro 180MHz/256MB system (at 96MB until November 2000). Other good middlin' options include BlackBox, SawFish (formerly SawMill). Purists often tend toward fvwm2. There's a good overview of window managers at the Window Managers for X page: http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org
RE: Funny Story
Well, i have another one related to ISS Some time ago there was an article over at theregister.co.uk showing a picture of an astronaut with a portable behind him. The weirdo's over at the register magnified the screen and there it was c:\ Incredible huh ? First thought it was a hoax but they had a follow up on the story some time later reporting the spaceshuttle that was just launched carried a replacement harddisk for the portable. We might have all been very lucky MIR didn't have any windows systems on board when it came out of orbit. Did you know that there are Nuclear Battlecruisers (i'm not a soldier, don't know the exact name for this type of ship) running on windows NT ? Scary huh ! Regards, Joris -Original Message- From: Steve Witt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 12 april 2001 1:44 To: Debian User Subject: Funny Story I don't know if this story is true or not, but I hope it is. A guy who is our sys admin said he read on a sys admin type mailing list that the crew of the International Space Station are having some computer problems just like a lot us down here on earth. It seems that the U.S. provided computers running AIX and Win NT. A Win NT computer is being used as an SMTP server. Apparently the crew are becoming experienced Win NT sys admins because they are having all kinds of problems with the SMTP server. The Russians brought computers running Linux. They seem not to be having SMTP server problems. As I said, I heard this third hand and have no idea if its true or not. It was probably started by a bunch of Linux college geeks, I don't know. Someone from NASA will probably roast me alive... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Solved: Staroffice (workaround only)
Staroffice conflicts with the upto date sharefont package in testing and unstable!!! solution: eather downgrade or remove sharefont: dpkg --remove sharefont and Star office will work properly! Ciao - mattHias -- __ _ __ * /\_/\ \ \_/ \_/ / * Matthias Wieser * / \ \ /* ICQ#: 12597522 * / /\_/\ \ \_/^\_/ *[EMAIL PROTECTED] * WW WW *
GPG: connection refused, pgp.ai.mit.edu
I'm reading messages in queue right now and just got the following message when trying to retrieve a key from pgp.ai.mit.edu: [-- PGP output follows (current time: Thu 12 Apr 2001 01:35:58 AM PDT) --] gpg: Signature made Thu 12 Apr 2001 12:30:19 AM PDT using DSA key ID 07182FBC gpg: requesting key 07182FBC from pgp.ai.mit.edu ... gpg: can't get key from keyserver: Connection refused gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found I'm finding I can't connect to the keyserver using gpg from the command line either. E.g.: $ gpg --send-keys karsten gpg: can't connect to `pgp.ai.mit.edu': Connection refused (exit status: 2) Anyone else seeing this? I'm also curious as to what port(s) pgp/gpg uses to communicate with the server, I don't know this myself. FWIW: Package: gnupg Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: non-US Installed-Size: 1963 Maintainer: James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] Version: 1.0.4-1 ...on Sid/Unstable. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgp9TwJvs4qnL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: WindowMaker Rocks!! ;-) (Was: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces)
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 11:26:01PM -0500, Dave Sherohman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:51:38PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 08:13:22AM +0800, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ... You also have various options for opening menus. By default, right-mouse on root window is apps menu, middle mouse is window list. These are bound to F11 and F12 as well. Yes, I know my wmaker menus fairly well, but I bind hotkeys to everything common... F9 for netscape, F10 to bring up an Eterm (What can I say? I like the flashy stuff sometimes...), Windows-Z (a lot of apps like to use Alt-foo themselves, so I've got all my wmaker hotkeys bound to Windows-foo instead) to lock the screen, F12-Up-Right-Enter to log out, F12-Down-Enter for GIMP. That's about all I ever use. (Anything else, I start from an Eterm.) I prefer to leave raw function keys to low-level functions -- menus, etc. Actually, binding man or info to F1 might be funalt-F# I somewhat bind to the CUA settings -- alt-F4 kills a window, ferexample. Apps I've put on altshift-alpha, though I suppose winkeyfoo would work as well... I think Debian maps the Legacy MS Windows key to Meta or somesuch. Incidentally, WPrefs is reason #15,835 for loving WindowMaker -- this is one slick, well-thought out, and functional configuration utility. There's little that I want configured which it doesn't provide for. Anyhow, the real reason for my reply: Why do you like WPrefs so much? I used it initially, then discovered wmakerconf. At that point, there were some things that could only be done in WPrefs, so I used both, but, IIRC, wmakerconf now does everything that WPrefs does, plus quite a bit more. Well, one reason is that if I try to install wmakerconf, apt tries to uninstall wmaker. A config tool without what it configures sorta sucks. This under Woody. What's wmakerconf do that WPrefs doesn't? I have checked both from time to time (/me goes and fires up wmakerconf from desktop, which is running Sid). OK, wmakerconf buys you the option to specify titlebar fonts and apparently a tie-in to some themes websites. Otherwise, it's pretty much the same stuff. One thing WMPrefs *is* is a NeXT-like GNUStep application, using the GNUStep toolkit. There's not a lot of these apps, the somewhat broken filesystem browser fsviewer is one of them. In the case of WMPrefs v. wmakerconf, I find WMPref's interface cleaner. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgps3dIJBdtq2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Gnome with sawfish gdm
You can choose your window manager in the gnome control center. Gdm has nothing to do with that. Christophe On jeu, 12 avr 2001 07:04:24 Stephen Boulet wrote: I downloaded gdm, and it lets met boot into gnome, but gnome defaults to window maker. How do I tell gdm to launch gnome with sawfish? Nice debian-themed background, by the way, that comes up in gnome/window maker by default. -- Stephen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Christophe Barbé Software Engineer Lineo High Availability Group 42-46, rue Médéric 92110 Clichy - France phone (33).1.41.40.02.12 fax (33).1.41.40.02.01 www.lineo.com
Re: xcdroast and devfs
Quoth Brian May, Is it possible to copy a CD using command line tools? (for legal reasons of course) If it's a data CD, just create an image with: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/image.iso then write it with cdrecord. I believe it's actually possible to have the output piped directly to cdrecord, but I don't know the switches off the top of my head. Also creating the image first is less likely to result in a coaster. If it's a music CD, use cdparanoia (from the people who later bought us ogg vorbis), then cdrecord. Or use cdrao (or something like that). Personally, when I have used cd burners, usually I'll use gcombust, which works well. I started off with command line tools, however, and they work well. HTH, damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead
Where to put hdparm to be activated at boot time?
Hello, What is the preferred file for hdparm to be activated at boot time? (/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ?) -- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: user masquerading with qmail
Quoth Florian Reiser, where do I have to put MAILHOST and MAILUSER to get user masquerading with qmail working? In the FAQ they say you should put them in your environment. So I've put them in the .bashrc of the user, but the user wasn't masqueraded. So what is the correct place for these variables? It depends a little on what you're doing. Calling mutt in an Eterm, for example (like I do), didn't set it, so I just created a little wrapper script: #!/bin/sh QMAILUSER=blah QMAILHOST=blah.com http_proxy=http://proxy:8080/; export QMAILUSER QMAILHOST http_proxy /usr/bin/mutt which seems to work well. Another alternative is putting them in your .xinitrc (I do this for my http_proxy environment variable so that the screensaver which downloads and displays random images uses the proxy server). If worst came to worst, I guess you could call your mail program as: env QMAILUSER=blah QMAILHOST=blah.com mailprog I guess that'd work. HTH, damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead
Re: DROPPED: OT : GUI Interfaces
Never used it, so YMMV http://linuz.sns.it/~max/twin/ cheers, damon Quoth Joris Lambrecht, oh well, i'll DROP this subject, apparently there is NO reasoning possible on this subject -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead
Re: GPG: connection refused, pgp.ai.mit.edu
Quoth Karsten M. Self, I'm reading messages in queue right now and just got the following message when trying to retrieve a key from pgp.ai.mit.edu: [-- PGP output follows (current time: Thu 12 Apr 2001 01:35:58 AM PDT) --] gpg: Signature made Thu 12 Apr 2001 12:30:19 AM PDT using DSA key ID 07182FBC gpg: requesting key 07182FBC from pgp.ai.mit.edu ... gpg: can't get key from keyserver: Connection refused gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found I'm finding I can't connect to the keyserver using gpg from the command line either. E.g.: $ gpg --send-keys karsten gpg: can't connect to `pgp.ai.mit.edu': Connection refused (exit status: 2) Anyone else seeing this? I'm also curious as to what port(s) pgp/gpg uses to communicate with the server, I don't know this myself. I believe that gpg uses http to communicate with the server, as it's able to do it without additional assistance over a box-standard http proxy (squid). I have the following in my ~/.gnupg/options keyserver wwwkeys.us.pgp.net keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net keyserver search.keyserver.net I have tried commenting out search.keyserver.net, but that just hangs, unable to connect to the other servers. FWIW, I believe that wwwkeys.pgp.net is on a round-robbin DNS, so will randomly pick one of the keyservers. When trying to connect over the web to pgp.ai.mit.edu, I get: ERROR The requested URL could not be retrieved While trying to retrieve the URL: http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/ The following error was encountered: * Connection Failed The system returned: (61) Connection refused The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. Maybe their server is down... cheers, damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches Criminologist/Linux Geek | As my head fell in the basket, http://killfilter.com | And was everybody dancing on the casket... PGP (GnuPG): A136E829 | - TBMG, Dead
Re: Where to put hdparm to be activated at boot time?
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-12 11:49 +0200: Hello, What is the preferred file for hdparm to be activated at boot time? (/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ?) Either there, or in the /etc/init.d/ script that comes with the hwtools package. Andre Berger[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpLeAVpRxhJX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mysterious ipchains deny from 192.168.*.* ??
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, will trillich wrote: ---snip--- so now here's the BIG mystery -- Apr 8 17:59:48 server kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=1 192.168.241.180:4 208.33.90.85:0 L=56 S=0x00 I=12140 F=0x4000 T=240 (#4) where did THIS packet come from? 192.168.241.180 ? that's an intranet ip, a localnet / lan address, theoretically from somewhere inside the building. but all we've got inside here is 192.168.1.* !! ideas? I don't know if this applies to you or not, but our local Road Runner Cable service has packets in the 10.X.Y.Z address space all over the network. A friend noticed this after he used part of this space for his home LAN, and noticed some strange entries in his IPMasq logs. It turns out that the local RR has an internal network too...apparently for monitoring/control of their cable network. The only real problem was the numerous entries filling up his logs. The fix was to narrow his netmask from 255.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.0. This effectively blocked out all the local RR traffic from the logs. The Deny says your firwall/IPMasq setup is doing it's job, I think. I wonder if your cable service is doing something similar?? In relation to this fix, I noticed in a later post (where you sent your networking setup) that you are using a netmask of 255.255.0.0, but are using a LAN network of 192.168.1.xxx. I would bet that if you set your netmask to 255.255.255.0, these mysterious log entries would go away. Appologies offered for these speculations, but you DID ask for ideasg Cheers, -Don Spoon-
Re: macosX : water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linus himself was flaming MacOsX not that long ago ... said the kernel (mach?) was a *total* piece of crap Linus has widely-known opinions about microkernels. :) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Err: Cannot open display
Hi Thomas, I too have a Geforce II MX and can help some... You need to get Xfree ver4.0.2 as the installed ver3.3 does not support this card. You also need the NVidia Kernel modules.(support/drivers/linux) www.xfree86.org www.nvidia.com And you will also need the kernel header files installed. 'apt-get kernel-header-2.2.18pre2' Install Xfree ver 4. first. follow the instructions and its fairly automated. Then you will need to install the Nvidia modules from Tar Balls. Post back if you need more help. Regards Wayne. 'Don't be suprised if you are playing in Root and the Tree falls off...' -Original Message- From: Thomas Wegner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 April 2001 20:03 To: MaRCeL FiGUeRoLa EsTRaDa Cc: Debian User List Subject: RE: Err: Cannot open display Hi Marcel! On 11-Apr-2001 MaRCeL FiGUeRoLa EsTRaDa wrote: Hi there! I'm new to debian and I've just installed Debian Linux 2.2 r2 Potato. During installation Anxious couldn't find a suitable grafic card and so it's not yet configured properly. When I try to go to the X-Windows the following error message appears: Gtk-WARNING ** : cannot open display I have an AGP Graphics Card : Nvidia Geforce2 MX 32 Mby RAM. How can I configure Debian to make the graphics work properly? When you know your monitor and graphic card parameters you can try XF86Setup or xf86config. CiaoThomas --- Diese Mail wurde mit XFMail unter Debian 2.2 erstellt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Xscreensaver
How to disable XDM screensaver? Bye, ALes
Re: folder highlightning in Pine ?
Thanks for the suggestion, but which version of Pine are you using ? The one I'm using is 4.33 ... it's be couse the ';' command doesn't exists and 'P'/'N' is in my Pine previous/new folder. Allan Andersen On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Curtis Hogg wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What you do, is in your folders page, you hit the ; key... then select [P]roperties (P key), then hit [N]ew (N key). this will check all of your folders for new messages, and put an X next to each one that contains new messages. - -- Curtis Hogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Rule of Life #1 -- Never get separated from your luggage. - -- Email 1 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email 2 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW - [in transit] On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Allan Andersen wrote: Hi, I'm a new user with pine email (Have allways used a graphical program), but was impressed to see the program 'simplicity' and speed, so I desided to try it out my self. I've set up some filters in Pine to control the incoming mails into the right folders. But as soon as I got more than a couple of these folders it gets a bit confuseble. So I was wondering if it was possible to get the folder highlighted when a new mail arrived to it ? It's a bit irritating to go though each folder when a new mail arrives. Hope anyone could assists, best regards Allan Andersen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBOtUXjLHXK8DxaQMZEQJbBQCffd7pax5MwmBdn66XNFgJRB+b+jEAn2/D ZJfTruiKt5/DhHul3ZCn320+ =P4jl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPG: connection refused, pgp.ai.mit.edu
On Thursday 12 April 2001 03:42, Karsten M. Self wrote: I'm finding I can't connect to the keyserver using gpg from the command line either. E.g.: $ gpg --send-keys karsten gpg: can't connect to `pgp.ai.mit.edu': Connection refused (exit status: 2) Anyone else seeing this? I'm also curious as to what port(s) pgp/gpg uses to communicate with the server, I don't know this myself. I just re-retrieved my own key without incident. Couldn't get yours, though. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gpg --recv-key 07182FBC gpg: requesting key 07182FBC from pgpkeys.mit.edu ... gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: Total number processed: 0 System here is more or less stock potato. /usr/share/doc/gnupg/DETAILS.gz says the keyserver listens on port 11371. I didn't find anything on what port the client might use. -- Bud Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sirinet.net/~budr All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either.
Re: Progeny Debian
On Wednesday 11 April 2001 23:53, Rob VanFleet wrote: quotes. Normally, yes I do trim quotes. This particular time, I was lazy. I can certainly relate to that. Occasionally my grump quotient spikes for no good reason. Sorry. -- Bud Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sirinet.net/~budr All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either.
water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] To really start a fire here ... 1. In many new packages, maybe most, the developers just press on and don't pay attention to stable and unstable until they attain a version 1.x. What good is it to have a version 0.4 instead of 0.7 of anything in a stable distribution? Does stable have to be *so* old? Why not evaluate each package of pre-1.0 programs according to reality instead of policy? 2. It is unspeakable that I have to use Ctl-leftbutton when I have a 3-button mouse. It is *terrible* ergonomics. *All* non-windows developers, not just linux, should withdraw support for 1 and 2 button mice, and force those silly enough not to replace them (for $2.00) to use meta and ctrl combinations. 7 logical buttons, which is what you have with a 3-button mouse, should work without menus and configuration files or any such nonsense. I should be able to configure left handed, etc., with *one* program. You don't successfully compete with windows by mindlessly aping its *worst* features. It makes *every* program that works with a gui *much* less good and some really insane, like emacs. (and xemacs, presumably because X is pathetic that way too.) -- DaveA (Debian User)= The journey of a thousand miles begins with but a single KITA. =
RE: alert : water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
This thread is getting REALLY hard to follow. I suggest people start splitting it up or simply shut it down. This was my last post/read on this thread. ps : does kita somewhat resemble the meaning of p.i.t.a ? then it's funny, otherwise it's confusing :)) -Original Message- From: David Raleigh Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 11 april 2001 17:53 To: Joris Lambrecht; 'Kevin Stokes'; debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink. Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] To really start a fire here ... 1. In many new packages, maybe most, the developers just press on and don't pay attention to stable and unstable until they attain a version 1.x. What good is it to have a version 0.4 instead of 0.7 of anything in a stable distribution? Does stable have to be *so* old? Why not evaluate each package of pre-1.0 programs according to reality instead of policy? 2. It is unspeakable that I have to use Ctl-leftbutton when I have a 3-button mouse. It is *terrible* ergonomics. *All* non-windows developers, not just linux, should withdraw support for 1 and 2 button mice, and force those silly enough not to replace them (for $2.00) to use meta and ctrl combinations. 7 logical buttons, which is what you have with a 3-button mouse, should work without menus and configuration files or any such nonsense. I should be able to configure left handed, etc., with *one* program. You don't successfully compete with windows by mindlessly aping its *worst* features. It makes *every* program that works with a gui *much* less good and some really insane, like emacs. (and xemacs, presumably because X is pathetic that way too.) -- DaveA (Debian User)= The journey of a thousand miles begins with but a single KITA. =
microhurd
Hello Debian! Somebody knows where can I get info about subj? If it's not so hard, please answer directly to me too (not only to the conference). Thank You! -- Best regards, dim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
modversions.h
hi all, i downloaded from www.intel.com a agp-card driver and i tryed to install but the makefile returns this error : agpgart.c:52: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory i m sorry about my bad english thanks oliver
xmms plugins
Hello Debian! Don't You know where can I get xmms plugins for playing compressed wave-files? I have some CDs with wave sound files I need. But I can't play it with a standart xmms wave-plugin. :( Please send a carbon copy of Your answers directly to me. Thank You! -- Best regards, dim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: folder highlightning in Pine ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm using Pine 4.32. In my settings, i have 'enable-aggregate-command-set' under Advanced Command Preferences turned on, that might be what turns it on, i know you have to hit ; before you can use p/n since they are bound to the previous/next folder commands otherwise... you must do the ; from the menu that lists all of your folders... i also have enable-dot-folders on, but i don't know if that helps any. - -- Curtis Hogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Rule of Life #1 -- Never get separated from your luggage. - -- Email 1 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email 2 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW - [in transit] On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Allan Andersen wrote: Thanks for the suggestion, but which version of Pine are you using ? The one I'm using is 4.33 ... it's be couse the ';' command doesn't exists and 'P'/'N' is in my Pine previous/new folder. Allan Andersen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBOtWUM7HXK8DxaQMZEQINNwCghmY4H3gnQ44Yfj8zndI0EJMLEhQAn3sz bShxBFVKD3Bfsdn9+CQWmQGj =Mejv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
David Raleigh Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It makes *every* program that works with a gui *much* less good and some really insane, like emacs. (and xemacs, presumably because X is pathetic that way too.) Just so you know, XEmacs is perfectly capable of running on the console (the 'X' in the name has nothing to do with X Windows), and, in fact, it has some console mode features that the current version of Emacs does not (frex, syntax coloring)[1] Other than that, I agree with your mouse button rantings. 8^)= john. Footnotes: [1] Before I get flamed to hell and back for saying that Emacs doesn't do syntax coloring, please note we're talking *console mode* here. -- No matter where you go, there you are. pgpl5AZx2NT1U.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Where to put hdparm to be activated at boot time?
Andre Berger wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-04-12 11:49 +0200: Hello, What is the preferred file for hdparm to be activated at boot time? (/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ?) Either there, or in the /etc/init.d/ script that comes with the hwtools package. Andre Berger[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you put the hdparm script in an existing /etc/init.d file, won't the script be lost if and when the existing file is upgraded? Isn't it better to create a new file for the script, something like /etc/init.d/local_hdparm? That way, no package will overwrite it. -- David Raeker-Jordan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Harrisburg, PA, USA
bootdisk - via-rhine pb's
Hi After the third card with rtl8139 went silent I changed to a via-rhine one. I could not make my debian2.2r2 see it so I opted for a new install. According to kernel-config on idepci bootdisks the driver should be compiled into the loaded kernel. From dmesg on an installation that only reached the local base2_2.tgz: 3c59x.c 16Aug00 Donald Becker and others http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html via-rhine.c:v1.01 2/27/99 Written by Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/via-rhine.html To me this means that the card is correctly identified. From the Ethernet-HOWTO I gathered that I could use 'ether=' as boot parameters to this compiled in driver. I have an installation of Mandrake8.0-Cooker and from that I got irq=10 and io= d000 - d0ff. I thus booted with 'linux ether=10,0xd000,eth0' and got no better. What am I doing wrong? regards guran
