date:20060726

2006. July 27. 00:28, Derek Martin:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 09:47:39PM +0200, LeVA wrote:
> > > So either set konsole up to launch ksh as a login shell, or set
> > > ENV somewhere.  You can test this with:
> > >
> > > $ ENV="~/.profile" konsole
> > >
> > > Or launch konsole, and do:
> > > $ ksh -l
> >
> > The .profile is always gets parsed (both in a login and a non-login
> > shell).
>
> This is not correct, unless you have a line such as the following in
> your .profile:
>
>   export ENV=~/.profile
>
> However, your non-login shells will inherit exported variables from
> your login shell, so your prompts will still be set, etc.  This is
> the difference between variables that are exported and not exported.
>
> > When I start pdksh in a non-login shell, the .profile gets parsed,
> > and the PATH and every other env.var. gets set. Only the aliases
> > gets ignored, but why?
>
> Because you are mistaken...  the .profile does not get parsed.  The
> environment variables are being inherited from the parent shell.  if
> the .profile was being parsed, your aliases would be there too.
>
> > If I add the ENV="~/.kshrc" line to my .profile and my ~/.kshrc
> > contains my aliases, then I still can not see my aliases...
>
> You need to export ENV.  This can be done as I did above, or like
> this:
>
>   ENV=~/.profile; export ENV
>
> > The man says that "if the ENV parameter is set when the shell
> > starts" :) This is funny because I can set the ENV parameter in a
> > shell, and I can not set it before running the shell :)
>
> Yes you can... you can export it from a parent shell.
>
> > Something must be running already (eg. KDE) to be able to set up
> > the variable. I can put a file which contains 'ENV="~/.kshrc"' to
> > my ~/.kde/env/ and that gets sourced by kde startup, so the ENV
> > parameter will be set when I start konsole.  Wait a minute... that
> > is what I'm gonna do! :)
>
> And if you tried that, it didn't work either... because you didn't
> export ENV.
Okay okay I got it thanks! :D

Daniel


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man pdksh, I don't understand this - [ was: how to make colour prompts for pdksh ]

Hi!


"... Note that since the command line editors try to figure out how long 
the prompt is  (so  they  know how far it is to edge of the screen), 
escape codes in the prompt tend to mess things up. ..."

Okay, I get it, I'm using escape codes, so I need the following hack.

"... You can tell the shell not to count certain sequences (such as 
escape codes) by  prefixing your prompt with a non-printing character 
(such as control-A) followed by a carriage return and then delimiting 
the escape codes with this non-printing  character."

I've put my escape character to a variable to make things cleaner:

ESC="^"

So if I have a simple prompt like this:

PS1='$ESC[01;32m$USER> '

now if I prefix my prompt with a non-printing char (with control-A like 
suggested) then I get an error when starting the shell:
/bin/pdksh: /home/leva/.profile[11]: no closing quote

I see that I must put a carriage return after that, but I don't know 
how. How can I put a CR after the control-A (if control-A is what I 
need at all)?

Daniel

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Re: NPTL issues w/ stable

2006-07-26 Thread paul cannon

Sorry for the reply to a 6-month-old message, but I didn't see any other
replies to it, and I ran into this same problem today.

Original message follows unsnipped, as the context is probably not
as readily available as you might wish.

On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 10:30:35PM -0500, David Coulson wrote:
> I've got a few boxes running Debian stable here, all updated. One box behaves
> oddly, in that I get this:
> 
> # getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION
> linuxthreads-0.10
> 
> 
> When on everything else I get
> 
> getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION
> NPTL 0.60
> 
> 
> One the boxes which use NPTL, I can do this:
> 
> # ldd /lib/libm.so.6
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x8000)
> libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0xb7e4a000)
> 
> 
> On the broken box, I get the following.
> 
> # ldd /lib/libm.so.6
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x8000)
> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40029000)
> 
> 
> What exactly tells the linker to use /lib/tls first rather than /lib?
> I've used strace, but still can't come up with anything useful. I
> rsynced /lib from a working box onto the broken one and it still does
> the same thing.
> 
> One is running 2.6.14.2 (good), the other 2.6.14.5 (broken). I don't
> think a minor revision change should make a difference. I threw 2.6.11
> onto the broken box also, and it does the same thing.
> 
> Any suggestions? I feel like I'm going in circles to track this
> problem.

Several factors are at work, of course. Since your 'broken' machine has
a 2.6 kernel, the kernel isn't the problem, and it seems safe to assume
you're not using some wonderfully out-of-date libc6 package on there
either, so we can be reasonably sure some ld-linux.so configuration item
somewhere is causing the difficulty.

Using LD_ASSUME_KERNEL in particular is a good way to force the dynamic
linker not to use the lib/tls directories, and other LD_* options could
have similar effects, and the /etc/ld.so.conf could affect ldconfig's
idea of what should be used, so you should check those.

But the one that got me is /etc/ld.so.nohwcap. If that file exists, the
dynamic linker will not try to load libraries from the lib/tls dirs. In
my case, that file was created when I downgraded libc6 from an
etch (or maybe backports.org) version to the current sarge version. I
believe it was created erroneously, since that libc6 version should be
able to handle hwcap foo fine and certainly does NPTL fine with that
file gone, but I haven't the time to track down where it came from and
file a proper bug report.

So, short answer, David, I bet you need to rm /etc/ld.so.nohwcap.

> 
> David

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Re: dma errors

2006-07-26 Thread Daniel B.


Greg Madden wrote:
...

John Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

...

I have two IDE drives ...  the motherboard is quite old.

...

I get the following error messages from dmesg:


...>> hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }

hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
ide: failed opcode was: unknown
hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x20
hde: DMA timeout retry
PDC202XX: Primary channel reset.
PDC202XX: Secondary channel reset.
hde: timeout waiting for DMA
hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
hde: DMA timeout error
hde: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete
DataRequest } ide: failed opcode was: unknown

...


What would be the source of these errors and how should I go about
fixing them?


A couple of things, the generic IDE driver doesn't do dma , make sure
you load the module for your chipset. Using 'hdparm' will
show if dma is set for the drives.


Greg:

Clearly John's driver is doing DMA; otherwise all the DMA errors
wouldn't be present.


John:

Which motherboard do you have?

I have had similar problems with an Asus A7M266-D motherboard with multiple
kernel versions (2.2 through 2.6, I think).

From what I've been able to gather, my motherboard's IDE controller (AMD
768?) is buggy, and the Linux kernel doesn't do whatever the Windows
kernel does to work around the problem.

(I can't run the disks attached to the onboard IDE controller at full
sped (i.e., with DMA on) or I get extreme filesystem corruption in Linux.
Under Windows, I can run a seemingly full speed without any data-
corruption problems.)

Daniel



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Re: Wireless : best policy / pratice to start it

2006-07-26 Thread Rob Sims

On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 08:51:50PM +0200, Bruno Costacurta wrote:
> I'm looking for the best policies / practices to start wireless networking.
> Briefly I use wireless in following locations:
> 
> -home:
> wpa via wpa_supplicant
> 
> -public (bars..etc..):
> no wep/wpa
> 
> Both works fine. Currently I start a console logged with user root to call 
> ifup with related params.
> Should I used root to call ifup ?
> I would like to keep a manual connection as I do not want to automatically 
> connect.

I just discovered network-manager{,-kde} which I now have working on my
orinoco based and ipw2200 based laptops with kernel 2.6.17.  Makes
managing connections painless.  Simply add users who need permission to
manage the interface to the netdev group and run.  I don't use WPA (WEP
only), but the package depends on wpasupplicant, so WPA should be
supported.

I did need to add a stanza to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/knetworkmanager.conf:

...to match the corresponding stanza in NetworkManager.conf.  The package is
not in sarge.  

Connects automatically to "trusted" nets, but not untrusted.
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Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 - a beginner's query/request

2006-07-26 Thread Felix Karpfen

By adhering to the install instructions that were on Disk 1 (of a
14-disk CD set) of Debian 3.1, I have ended up with a fully functioning OS.

These instructions assume a "clean install" (which was the case).

This posting is an advance-request to include "update from Debian 3.1"
instructions in the proposed release of Debian 4.0.  If existing
documentation applies, a relevant URL would suffice.

My concern is the upgrade of the kernel.  I presume - perhaps incorrectly
- that this will need a separate routine. 

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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-26 Thread Derek Martin

On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 09:47:39PM +0200, LeVA wrote:
> > So either set konsole up to launch ksh as a login shell, or set ENV
> > somewhere.  You can test this with:
> >
> > $ ENV="~/.profile" konsole
> >
> > Or launch konsole, and do:
> > $ ksh -l
>
> The .profile is always gets parsed (both in a login and a non-login 
> shell). 

This is not correct, unless you have a line such as the following in
your .profile:

  export ENV=~/.profile

However, your non-login shells will inherit exported variables from
your login shell, so your prompts will still be set, etc.  This is the
difference between variables that are exported and not exported.

> When I start pdksh in a non-login shell, the .profile gets parsed, and 
> the PATH and every other env.var. gets set. Only the aliases gets 
> ignored, but why?

Because you are mistaken...  the .profile does not get parsed.  The
environment variables are being inherited from the parent shell.  if
the .profile was being parsed, your aliases would be there too.

> If I add the ENV="~/.kshrc" line to my .profile and my ~/.kshrc contains 
> my aliases, then I still can not see my aliases... 

You need to export ENV.  This can be done as I did above, or like
this:

  ENV=~/.profile; export ENV

> The man says that "if the ENV parameter is set when the shell starts" :)
> This is funny because I can set the ENV parameter in a shell, and I can 
> not set it before running the shell :) 

Yes you can... you can export it from a parent shell.

> Something must be running already (eg. KDE) to be able to set up the
> variable. I can put a file which contains 'ENV="~/.kshrc"' to my
> ~/.kde/env/ and that gets sourced by kde startup, so the ENV
> parameter will be set when I start konsole.  Wait a minute... that
> is what I'm gonna do! :)

And if you tried that, it didn't work either... because you didn't
export ENV.

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Re: GRUB Reboot Loop

2006-07-26 Thread Roby

Pieter Agten wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> A couple of weeks ago I installed Debian Stable (3.1) on a PII 400Mhz
> with a 80GB harddisk, everything worked fine. I had to replace this
> harddisk with a different one (also 80GB) and I did this by cloning the
> original disk to this new one with HDClone 3.1. After replacing the
> harddisk, the system doesn't boot anymore: when I should see the GRUB
> Boot Menu,  the system just reboots. So now it is stuck in a reboot loop.
> 
> The exact boot process is as follows:
> - System POST
> - I see 'GRUB Loading stage1.5.' and 'GRUB loading, please wait...' for
> about half a second.
> - Reboot
> 
> I am sure the HDClone 3.1 program works flawlessly because I have used
> it before (on linux systems) and it has never failed. Furthermore, I
> have had this problem before on an entirely different system, right
> after the Debian installation (so on that system I never had even one
> correct boot with GRUB).
> 
> How can I solve this problem? One fix might be to install LILO instead
> of GRUB, but what is the best way to do this? I replaced GRUB by LILO
> once before, and after that, everytime I would install a different (home
> made) kernel, I had to adjust the lilo.conf and run lilo manually, so I
> would like to avoid that. If it is possible, I would like to keep GRUB...
> 
> Thanks in advance!

Most likely: GRUB got written to a different cluster than original - a
common event in cloning.  As a result, the code in bootsector points to
wrong location on partition and GRUB is confused.

To fix it, start up GRUB in interactive mode (as root) and rewrite the
bootsector:

# Assuming boot partition is on first hard drive (hd0):

$ sudo grub

GNU GRUB  version 0.97  (640K lower / 3072K upper memory)

   [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported.   For
 the   first   word,  TAB  lists  possible  command
 completions.  Anywhere else TAB lists the possible
 completions of a device/filename. ]

# type "root (hd0, " then press tab key to get list of partitions:

grub> root (hd0,
 Possible partitions are:
   Partition num: 0,  Filesystem type is fat, partition type 0x16
   Partition num: 2,  Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
   Partition num: 4,  Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82
   Partition num: 5,  Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x93
   Partition num: 6,  Filesystem type is fat, partition type 0xb

# Here, partition 5 has grub directory, so:

grub> root (hd0,5)
 Filesystem type is reiserfs, partition type 0x93

# now rewrite the bootsector:

grub> setup (hd0)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5" exists... yes
 Running "embed /boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5 (hd0)"...  18 sectors are
embedded.
succeeded
 Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+18 p
(hd0,5)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst
"... succeeded
Done.

# we're done:
grub> reboot

Adjust the numbers to fit your situation.  Hope this helps!



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Re: Installation problem

2006-07-26 Thread Patrick Rittich


Stephen Liu wrote:

Hi folks,

I ran "debian-31r0a-amd64-netinst" CD installer to install Debian.  The
installation went throught without problem.  But the onboard LAN card
can't be detected.  Neither can I select the right driver from the
list.

Motherboard - ASUS
Model - A8N-VM-UAYGZ

After booting and login as root.

ran
# pppoeconf
requesting to run "modconf".  Selecting "OK" without response.

Neither running
# modconf
can work.

Please advise how to preceed finishing the complete installation.  TIA

B.R.
SL


When I installed on a Asus A8N mobo I had to install the onboard 
ethernet drivers from the cd that came with the board. If you don't have 
the cd, try searching online for them.


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Re: Just a thought

2006-07-26 Thread Chuckk Hubbard


On 7/26/06, edwardsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Carl Fink wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:14:43AM +0300, David Baron wrote:
>
>
>> In other words, if one is willing to put in minimal effort  YES! Go for
>> it!
>>
>
> Gamers I know ONLY care about gaming.  They have no motivation to swith,
> because no "cool" games are unique to Linux.
>
My experience is with my children, who really like KDE but want their
games (Star Wars, as well as some educational games) to run easily. In
this case, I intend to install the distro with the best record for
running windows through WINE or a commercial code on a second disk on
their computers, with the idea that, eventually, WINE will have more
successes. I'm also looking at games officially ported to linux.

There are many card and board games that I have played and enjoyed on
linux, but children really like games that look and act cool (lot's of
graphics and lots of interaction).

Art Edwards


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Re: Come Outside Programme

2006-07-26 Thread Katipo


Debbie Martin wrote:


Please can you tell me where I can buy a dvd of the Come Outside programme??

 


An approach to the BBC would be best for this.
Regards,


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Re: webinterfaces.......

2006-07-26 Thread Margiolas Christos

Sorry but I have a system with kde. the problem is that firefox and konqueror can't show me the interfaces of linksys and mldonkeyChristos

Re: Re: Recursive copy to udf-formatted dvd-ram freezes system

2006-07-26 Thread Eckhard Kosin

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

Eckhard Kosin wrote:

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

Eckhard Kosin wrote:

But if I try to recursively copy directories to the udf-formatted

dvd-ram:
cp -r /some/dir /media/cdrecord
than after a few seconds the system freezes totally - only a power
off/on to reboot is possible.

Also check the output of syslog.

The system freezes a few seconds after starting the copying and after
reboot there is no specific entry in syslog.

Maybe you could also try cp -rv to see if any files get copied.

Are your filenames in accordance to UDF's specifications? I'm not sure about UDF, but for CDs not any filename that is allowed for ext2 is also allowed on the CD.

Does this have anything to do with you switching on and off the DVD drive? Unlike hard disks, cd/dvd writers have a large buffer. My dvd-ram continues to 'copy' for minutes after the console is finished with it, ie. it writes the data to buffer and then writes the buffer to disk. If I switch off the device during that, it hasn't finished writing and then (of course) damages the UDF filesystem as well.

I would try to reproduce the behaviour with a brand new DVD-Ram disk and without tempering with the on/off button.

The switching off/on of the writer was only to ensure that the buffer is empty prior to applying diff and really comparing the files on DVD and not the buffer to the original files. Of course I waited until the writing light was off.

The cp -rv showed up a file name with an unprintable character (the file originated from DOS, long time ago). Thanks. I renamed the file and now the system doesn't freeze, but the writer doesn't stop to write (more than 15 min for 293 MB ;-(. No hint from syslog, the only method to stop the writer is to switch it off and after a new switch on no data have been written to the DVD. It seems that UDF is rather unstable, at least in the AMD64 branch.

Thanks for your help

Eckhard

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Re: Printing from Acrobat

Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Carl Fink wrote:
>> This is interesting.  I installed kpdf to try to get this stupid page
>> printed, and it says that it can't connect to the CUPS server, which is
>> clearly there and which other programs can print to just fine.  On the other
>> hand, gpdf can't even DISPLAY the page correctly.  Apparently the universe
>> doesn't want me to print this one stupid page using Linux.
>
> Yes, it really is. Hmm. Is it possible that this PDF has a fault
> in it? Or possibly it is "locked"?

I experienced the same difficulty, and have not found a solution, other
than to revert to Acrobat version 5.  Envision did the same thing.  Did
you check the Postscript level?  Is the document level 2 or level 3?
What is the Postscript level of your printer?

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Re: RFC: Well supported scanners under Linux?

Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So, in light of this, I would like to ask you some recommendations based
> on your experiences for scanners that are fully functional under Linux,
> from open-source friendly companies.

Epson has excellent yet inexpensive scanners in the "Perfection" series;
I have an "Epson Perfection 2400 Photo".  

RLH


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Re: Question about exim4 in Debian installation

Eduardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I was wondering how can I set up my Debian to
> send my cron mails to my company's mail.
>
> I already have a SMTP at my ISP where I use my thunderbird to send
> messages and I want to use this SMTP I use in thunderbird to exim4
> send mails by.
>
> How can I do this? Which options do I have to choose in debconf??
> Does anybody have a howto ??

I think that you can do everything you need to do with a script which
invokes the package named "mail"; look at the man page for "mail".

I think that messing around with exim is the wrong approach.  In a
typical personal installation, the purpose of exim is route mail within
the LAN and to get outgoing mail from your machine to the ISP.

RLH

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Re: really confused about root's shell - please clue me up

2006-07-26 Thread Bill Marcum

On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 09:02:20PM +0200, LeVA wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> When my root's shell is `/bin/bash' in the /etc/passwd file, and I do 
> `su' as a simple user, then the root's .profile (/root/.profile) gets 
> executed.
> After setting the root's shell to `/bin/sh', and do `su' as a simple 
> user, then the root's .profile doesn't get executed until i run su as 
> `su -'. My /bin/sh is a symlink to /bin/bash.
> 
> ps.: I can tell if the .profile is used or not from the prompt (I have 
> the PS1 variable set in the .profile file).
> 
Do you have a .bash_profile or .bashrc?


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Re: webinterfaces.......

2006-07-26 Thread Kevin Mark

On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 06:06:25PM +0300, Margiolas Christos wrote:
> Hello to everyboby! I have an imptortant problem for me. I install debian
> etch manually and now I can't open from noone browser the webinterfaces of
> mldonkey and lynksis. What I have to do in order to use these interfaces?
> Thanks in advance
> Christos
If you did basic install of Debian, it does not install X windows or kde
or gnome by default. Thus any X-based programs will not work.
Do this:
apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm gnome gdm
or
apt-get install x-window-system gnome gdm
this will install enough software to use those x-windows programs.
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Re: Install problems

2006-07-26 Thread Kevin Mark

On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 02:51:15PM +, Harold D. Skank wrote:
> People,
> 
> I'm attempting to install Debian 3.1r2 on a Dell - Optiplex GX400, and
> I'm not progressing very fast.
> 
> I should say that I already have CentOS 4.3 up and running on this
> machine, which leads me to believe that the BIOS supports ISOLinux
> already.
> 
> To make a long story short, the system doesn't seem to recognize the
> boot material, either as the first CDROM of the group of 14, or the boot
> floppy containing sbm.bin.
> 
> The original 14 CDROM's were created using another CentOS 4.3 system.  A
> second copy of the first CDROM was generated using CentOS on the target
> system.  Neither copy worked.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Hi Harold,
you need only the first 2 or 3 cdrom disks to install (without net
access) or you can use netinstll iso. Are you sure you made the cd's
'data'cd's or did you make 'iso' bootable cd's?
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Re: Just a thought

2006-07-26 Thread Derek

winex/cedega works good,I can even play gta san andreas with it.On 7/26/06, edwardsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:Carl Fink wrote:> On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:14:43AM +0300, David Baron wrote:
 In other words, if one is willing to put in minimal effort  YES! Go for>> it! Gamers I know ONLY care about gaming.  They have no motivation to swith,
> because no "cool" games are unique to Linux.>My experience is with my children, who really like KDE but want theirgames (Star Wars, as well as some educational games) to run easily. In
this case, I intend to install the distro with the best record forrunning windows through WINE or a commercial code on a second disk ontheir computers, with the idea that, eventually, WINE will have moresuccesses. I'm also looking at games officially ported to linux.
There are many card and board games that I have played and enjoyed onlinux, but children really like games that look and act cool (lot's ofgraphics and lots of interaction).Art Edwards--
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Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-26 Thread Paul Johnson

On Wednesday 26 July 2006 08:59, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Tuesday 25 July 2006 22:49, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >> Paul Johnson wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 22:19, Steve Lamb wrote:
>  Paul Johnson wrote:
> > So SMTP unifying email is a bad thing?  That's what it sounds like
> > you're arguing to me.
> 
>  No, that would be what your strawman is telling you.
> >>>
> >>> So are you going to explain why I'm wrong, or do we just take the
> >>> Ultimate Supreme Holy Word of Steve Lamb?
> >>
> >> I did.  Or are you unfamiliar with the term Strawman argument?
> >
> > I'm familiar with it, OTOH, I don't see it as a strawman, which is why I
> > asked for explaination.
>
> Then you clearly aren't familiar with it.  I ask you, just what does
> SMTP have to do with what I did say given that I didn't mention SMTP at
> all?

The topology is identical, and how it works (servers being clients of other 
servers to deliver between sites, end users connecting to their local server) 
is identical to SMTP.  The only real differences between SMTP and XMPP is 
XMPP uses XML and gets the job done in near-realtime whereas SMTP can take up 
to 4 days.

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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006. July 26. 16:35, James Strandboge:
> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 15:42 +0200, LeVA wrote:
> > 2006. July 26. 14:32, James Strandboge:
> > > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 22:59 +0200, LeVA wrote:
> > > Are you *sure* that the control characters have been entered
> > > correctly? It is not '^' followed by '['.  It must be the single
> > > charactor '^['.
> >
> > Now that your pointing this out for me :) indeed I was using a '^'
> > char followed by a '['.
> > But how can I enter that control character? What is the keycombo
> > for it?
>
> Check my previous email.  I don't know how to do it in vi
> (unfortunately), but it can be done in emacs.
>
> ...
>
> > When I'm using a login shell, everything is working.
> > But when I'm using a non-login shell (in my case Konsole from KDE),
> > then everything gets still sourced from my ~/.profile (so my PS1 is
> > 'whatever...') *BUT* the aliases are not working.
>
> It needs to be a login shell, or have ENV set.  From the man page:
>If the basename of the name the shell is called  with  (i.e., 
> argv[0]) starts with - or if the -l option is used, the shell is
> assumed to be a login shell and the shell reads and executes the
> contents of  /etc/pro‐ file and $HOME/.profile if they exist and are
> readable.
>
>If  the  ENV parameter is set when the shell starts (or, in
> the case of login shells, after any profiles are processed), its
> value is subjected to  parameter,  command,  arithmetic  and  tilde 
> substitution  and the resulting file (if any) is read and executed. 
> If ENV parameter is  not set  (and  not  null) and pdksh was compiled
> with the DEFAULT_ENV macro defined, the file named in that macro is
> included (after the above men‐ tioned substitutions have been
> performed).
>
> So either set konsole up to launch ksh as a login shell, or set ENV
> somewhere.  You can test this with:
>
> $ ENV="~/.profile" konsole
>
> Or launch konsole, and do:
> $ ksh -l
The .profile is always gets parsed (both in a login and a non-login 
shell). I can only set the ENV parameter in the .profile, because it is 
the first and only file which is used by pdksh when it starts. But 
setting the ENV parameter in the .profile file doesn't make any sense 
if I have a file (the .profile) which have already been parsed by 
pdksh. I can put all my variables and aliases etc... in to my .profile, 
and no need for another startup file.
But, I can see the ENV variable's meaning in another context, please 
read along.
When I start pdksh in a non-login shell, the .profile gets parsed, and 
the PATH and every other env.var. gets set. Only the aliases gets 
ignored, but why? Pdksh parses the alias commands too, why don't they 
appear in a non-login shell, and why do they appear in a login shell?
The .profile file is the same...

If I add the ENV="~/.kshrc" line to my .profile and my ~/.kshrc contains 
my aliases, then I still can not see my aliases... And that is what 
I've expected, beacuse only by sourcing another file from an already 
parsed file doesn't make it working...
If I start konsole with 'ENV="~/.kshrc" konsole' then my aliases are 
working. So this is solution no.1.

> If you setup .profile the way I suggested (eg, by setting ENV to
> be .kshrc), konsole works properly.
Unfortunatelly not. The solution which is working is the konsole 
starting method that you've suggested.

The man says that "if the ENV parameter is set when the shell starts" :)
This is funny because I can set the ENV parameter in a shell, and I can 
not set it before running the shell :) Something must be running 
already (eg. KDE) to be able to set up the variable. I can put a file 
which contains 'ENV="~/.kshrc"' to my ~/.kde/env/ and that gets sourced 
by kde startup, so the ENV parameter will be set when I start konsole. 
Wait a minute... that is what I'm gonna do! :)

Daniel

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Xen kernel for amd64-SMP?

2006-07-26 Thread Johannes Graumann

Hello,

I may be totally not getting something here, but I was planing to play
around with Xen and had a look at what's present in the unstable
repository. I'm running a amd64 SMP machine and was wondering whether Xen
enabled SMP kernels are in the works - maybe I'm misunderstanding this? Can
I just run a "stock" amd64-smp kernel on the host and only need the Xen
kernel for the actual virtual machine(s)?

Thanks for any hints,

Joh


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Re: Printing from Acrobat


Carl Fink wrote:

[that he couldn't print a PDF file]

How about this:

If the file you're trying to print doesn't have proprietary
or trade secret info in it, I volunteer to try printing it
using Acrobat Reader on my machine, and see whether I have
similar problems. This would at least provide another bit
of mystery if I have no problems.[*]

Have you tried printing just one page at the beginning, one
in the middle, and one near the end? Or just the evens? Or just
odds?

[*] If it's hundreds of pages, I don't volunteer to print it all!

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Re: Printing from Acrobat


Carl Fink wrote:

This is interesting.  I installed kpdf to try to get this stupid page
printed, and it says that it can't connect to the CUPS server, which is
clearly there and which other programs can print to just fine.  On the other
hand, gpdf can't even DISPLAY the page correctly.  Apparently the universe
doesn't want me to print this one stupid page using Linux.


Yes, it really is. Hmm. Is it possible that this PDF has a fault
in it? Or possibly it is "locked"?

Mike
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Re: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360


David Goodenough wrote:

On Tuesday 25 July 2006 16:41, Marc Shapiro wrote:


Carl Fink wrote:


Quick poll:  how many people here are old enough to read that subject line
and think of the IBM Series/360, the mainframe?


Yes.



Count me in!  My first programming was on an IBM 360 in an "Introduction
to Computing" class, back in 1976.  I was also taking a 'Musical
Computer' class which ran FOCAL on a DEC PDP 11/15.


and mine was an IBM 360/67 (now there was a machine) running the Michigan
Terminal System (MTS).  That was in 1973.  


Mine was IBM 1140 (?). 4K of CORE (little doughnuts), no assembler,
no compiler, we used machine language. (Just hold down "multipunch"
on the card punch and type characters until enough bits get punched
out.) In, umm, 1967 or 1968 or so.

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Re: Her reboot isleminden sonra ALSA icin alsaconf calistirmazsam ALSA calismiyor


Emre Sevinç wrote:


Merhaba,


Marhaptain...

Assuming this is Turkish.

This is an "English only" list. Sorry...

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Re: Just a thought

2006-07-26 Thread edwardsa


Carl Fink wrote:

On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 09:14:43AM +0300, David Baron wrote:

  
In other words, if one is willing to put in minimal effort  YES! Go for 
it!



Gamers I know ONLY care about gaming.  They have no motivation to swith,
because no "cool" games are unique to Linux.
  
My experience is with my children, who really like KDE but want their 
games (Star Wars, as well as some educational games) to run easily. In 
this case, I intend to install the distro with the best record for 
running windows through WINE or a commercial code on a second disk on 
their computers, with the idea that, eventually, WINE will have more 
successes. I'm also looking at games officially ported to linux.


There are many card and board games that I have played and enjoyed on 
linux, but children really like games that look and act cool (lot's of 
graphics and lots of interaction).


Art Edwards


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Her reboot isleminden sonra ALSA icin alsaconf calistirmazsam ALSA calismiyor

2006-07-26 Thread Emre Sevinç



Merhaba,

Kisa bir süre önce bilgisayarima ALSA ile ilgili paketleri kurmus ve son 
4 yildir kullandigim

OSS yerine ALSA kullanmaya baslamistim.

Yalniz söyle bir durum var, bilgisayari kapatip actigimda icinde OSS, 
blacklist, vs. gecen

yüzlerce satir uyari geliyor acilis esnasinda.

Ardindan XMMS, aplay, vs. gibi programlarla ses almaya calistigimda 
alamiyorum. Sonra
alsaconf calistiriyorum (daha önce calistirmis oldugum gibi) bana 
gerekli ayarlamalari yaptigini
söylüyor ve sonra XMMS, aplay gibi programlarla ALSA üzerinden ses 
alabilir hale geliyorum.
(alsaconf bazi ayar dosyalarina gerekli degisiklikleri yazayim mi diye 
sordugunda evet cevabini

veriyorum).

Bilgisayar kapandiginda ALSA ile ilgili yapilandirmanin neden 
kayboldugunu, her acilista

alsaconf'u neden calistirmam gerektigini anlayamadim.

O blacklist, OSS, vs. ile ilgili mesajlar galiba "hotplug" paketi ile 
ilgili (ama emin degilim).


dmesg komutu ile baktigimda o mesajlari göremiyorum, OSS'ye dair sadece 
sunlar var


unable to register OSS PCM device 0:0
unable to register OSS mixer device 0:0
unable to register OSS PCM device 0:0
unable to register OSS mixer device 0:0

Sistemim:

$ uname -a
Linux debian 2.6.11-1-686 #1 Mon Jun 20 22:00:38 MDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux

Hakikaten de epey bir "unstable" hale getirdim sanirim mevcut sistemi! ;-)

Bu konuda bir yol yordam önerebilecek olan var mi acaba?

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RFC: Well supported scanners under Linux?

2006-07-26 Thread Rogério Brito

Dear people,

I have some photos that I would like to preserve in a digital form and I
thought of using a scanner for this.

Unfortunately, I my knowlegdge about scanners is zero and I have already
visited the sane project page, but could not decide what would be a good
purchase.

So, in light of this, I would like to ask you some recommendations based
on your experiences for scanners that are fully functional under Linux,
from open-source friendly companies.

I am open to recommendations for other devices, like the multifunctional
devices, but I'm not sure if they are adequate and would give me the
best "bang for the buck".


Thanks in advance for any advice, Rogério Brito.

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Re: installaing php4-odbc wants to replace kernel?

2006-07-26 Thread kenn

Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez wrote:
> kenn wrote:
>> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>>   kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386
>>
> Man, if you have stable and testing in your server, try to install
> tdsodbc and freetds from testing, for in stable, at least with tdsodbc,
> conflicts with unixodb. Maybe the same is happening with freetds
> 

Miguel, I think you pointed me in the right direction ... I removed
unixodbc, attempted to install php4-odbc, and it successfully installed
by php4-odbc AND unixodbc ... go figure.

Anyway, thanks for the help!

Kenn

RE: Debian Support for IBM xSeries 360

2006-07-26 Thread Brunner, Brian T.


> Yeah.  IBM360/65 in about 1966.
> But that was my *third* machine.
> Before that, an IBM 1620 -- the one that stored its addition 
> tables and multiplication tables in RAM and did its 
> arithmetic by table lookup. 

This machine was (IIRC) called the CADET.

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Re: GRUB Reboot Loop

2006-07-26 Thread Pieter Agten


Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez schreef:

Pieter Agten wrote:
  

Hello,

A couple of weeks ago I installed Debian Stable (3.1) on a PII 400Mhz
with a 80GB harddisk, everything worked fine. I had to replace this
harddisk with a different one (also 80GB) and I did this by cloning the
original disk to this new one with HDClone 3.1. After replacing the
harddisk, the system doesn't boot anymore: when I should see the GRUB
Boot Menu,  the system just reboots. So now it is stuck in a reboot loop.

The exact boot process is as follows:
- System POST
- I see 'GRUB Loading stage1.5.' and 'GRUB loading, please wait...' for
about half a second.
- Reboot

I am sure the HDClone 3.1 program works flawlessly because I have used
it before (on linux systems) and it has never failed. Furthermore, I
have had this problem before on an entirely different system, right
after the Debian installation (so on that system I never had even one
correct boot with GRUB).

How can I solve this problem? One fix might be to install LILO instead
of GRUB, but what is the best way to do this? I replaced GRUB by LILO
once before, and after that, everytime I would install a different (home
made) kernel, I had to adjust the lilo.conf and run lilo manually, so I
would like to avoid that. If it is possible, I would like to keep GRUB...



If you didn't set a password for grub, you can select the option in the
grub menu and press e for edit.
This permits you to edit the command line executed by grub.
Add a "noreboot" at the end of the line that starts with kernel and this
way you can see the messages for linux at boot up.

Miguel Cobá
  

Thanks in advance!



  
I don't even see the GRUB menu, I can't select any options... I have now 
made a bootable GRUB cd, as instructed to by Russel L. Harris (thx!) and 
I am going to try to get the system to boot using that CD.


Thanks for the reply!


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faxing

2006-07-26 Thread Mark Copper

Sorry if this is OT, but faxing has given me fits for years.

I want to receive a fax, via modem on my Debian PC,
edit it in GIMP and fax it back.  Here's what I
think works:

   - use mgetty to receive fax
   - open fax in GIMP (GIMP can read but not write .g3 files)
   - scale image to double vertical dimension for normal (204x98  dpi)
 faxes
   - edit image and save in, say, GIMP's xcf format
   - scale image to halve vertical dimension
   - using ImageMagick "convert" to .g3 format (ImageMagick can read but
 not write GIMP's xcf format
   - use mgetty's "sendfax" to send fax

Is there a better way?  Whenever I google for help I never seem to be
able to find anything but the ImageMagick manual pages which have not
helped me (for years :( ).

Thanks.

Mark


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Sabrent SBT-WC3L spca5xx driver

2006-07-26 Thread John Kerr Anderson


Hi everyone,

Was wondering if any of you can help me out... Tired of Xubuntu Dapper on 
my PC decided to do a fresh install using the 22 July daily image of 
Debian Testing for AMD64.  Everything has been working well, much better 
than the former OS :-)  Way to go Debian as usual!


My only problem is I bought a new webcam recently, an inexpensive Sabrent 
SBT-WC3L http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16830194001  I 
saw that it had support in Linux and didn't want to spend a lot.  It 
worked OK in Xubuntu Dapper...  Getting it to work in Debian has been a 
little more of a challenge.  I discovered the device uses a spca5xx 
driver, so I went into aptitude and installed the kernel module for amd64 
2.16.2 generic... tried to install driver in modconf and it didn't work. 
So I decided to go with the amd64 k8 kernel and the spca5xx module for 
amd64 k8... rebooted, run modconf and received this message:


---

Installing module spca5xx. If the device isn't there, or isn't configured 
correctly, this could cause your system to pause for up to a minute.


FATAL: Error inserting spca5xx 
(/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/usb/media/spca5xx.ko): 
Invalid module format


Installation failed.
Architecture-specific modutils configuration for x86_64 not found, using 
defaults


Please press ENTER when you are ready to continue.


Is there anyway anyone can help me with getting this module to work?  I 
really don't want to recompile my kernel, I have not had good luck with 
that in recent years and found that usually I am OK with the stock 
kernels.  If anyone has any advice on this subject I would be very 
greatful.


Thank you,

John Anderson


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Re: installaing php4-odbc wants to replace kernel?

2006-07-26 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez

kenn wrote:
> I've just finished installing freetds and now need to get it to work
> with PHP4 ... when I try to install php4-odbc via dselect, here's what I
> get:
> 
> 
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   php4-odbc
> 
>   You are running a kernel (version 2.6.8-2-386) and attempting to remove
>   the same version. This is a potentially disastrous action. Not only
>   will /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 be removed, making it impossible to boot
>   it, (you will have to take action to change your boot loader to boot
>   a new kernel), it will also remove all modules under the directory
>   /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386. Just having a copy of the kernel image is not
>   enough, you will have to replace the modules too.
> 
> I repeat, this is very dangerous. If at all in doubt, answer
> no. If you know exactly what you are doing, and are prepared to
> hose your system, then answer Yes.
> 
> -
> Why does it need to remove the kernel?  and how do i get around it?
> /etc/apt/sources.lst looks like this:
> 
> deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main
> deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main
> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
> 
> 
> I know I'm in way over my head, but can someone help me understand this
> and what I'm doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
Man, if you have stable and testing in your server, try to install
tdsodbc and freetds from testing, for in stable, at least with tdsodbc,
conflicts with unixodb. Maybe the same is happening with freetds
In my machine I have:

enigma:~# dpkg -l|grep odbc
rc  odbcinst1  2.2.4-11   Support library and helper program for
acces
ii  odbcinst1debia 2.2.11-13  Support library and helper program for
acces
ii  php4-odbc  4.3.10-16  ODBC module for php4
ii  tdsodbc0.63-3 ODBC driver for connecting to MS SQL
and Syb
ii  unixodbc   2.2.11-13  ODBC tools libraries

 enigma:~# apt-cache policy tdsodbc
 tdsodbc:
   Installed: 0.63-3
   Candidate: 0.63-3
   Version Table:
  *** 0.63-3 0
 600 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main Packages
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 enigma:~# apt-cache policy unixodbc
 unixodbc:
   Installed: 2.2.11-13
   Candidate: 2.2.11-13
   Version Table:
  *** 2.2.11-13 0
 600 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main Packages
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
  2.2.4-11 0
 990 http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/main Packages
 enigma:~# apt-cache policy php4-odbc
 php4-odbc:
   Installed: 4:4.3.10-16
   Candidate: 4:4.3.10-16
   Version Table:
  4:4.4.2-1.1 0
 600 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main Packages
  *** 4:4.3.10-16 0
 990 http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/main Packages
 990 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 enigma:~#

Try installing form testing with
aptitude install php4-odbc -ttesting


Miguel Cobá

> 
> Kenn
> 
> 


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Question about exim4 in Debian installation

2006-07-26 Thread Eduardo


Hi folks, these days I was wondering how can I set up my Debian to
send my cron mails to my company's mail.

I already have a SMTP at my ISP where I use my thunderbird to send
messages and I want to use this SMTP I use in thunderbird to exim4
send mails by.

How can I do this? Which options do I have to choose in debconf??
Does anybody have a howto ??

Thanks in advance


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Re: GRUB Reboot Loop

2006-07-26 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez

Pieter Agten wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> A couple of weeks ago I installed Debian Stable (3.1) on a PII 400Mhz
> with a 80GB harddisk, everything worked fine. I had to replace this
> harddisk with a different one (also 80GB) and I did this by cloning the
> original disk to this new one with HDClone 3.1. After replacing the
> harddisk, the system doesn't boot anymore: when I should see the GRUB
> Boot Menu,  the system just reboots. So now it is stuck in a reboot loop.
> 
> The exact boot process is as follows:
> - System POST
> - I see 'GRUB Loading stage1.5.' and 'GRUB loading, please wait...' for
> about half a second.
> - Reboot
> 
> I am sure the HDClone 3.1 program works flawlessly because I have used
> it before (on linux systems) and it has never failed. Furthermore, I
> have had this problem before on an entirely different system, right
> after the Debian installation (so on that system I never had even one
> correct boot with GRUB).
> 
> How can I solve this problem? One fix might be to install LILO instead
> of GRUB, but what is the best way to do this? I replaced GRUB by LILO
> once before, and after that, everytime I would install a different (home
> made) kernel, I had to adjust the lilo.conf and run lilo manually, so I
> would like to avoid that. If it is possible, I would like to keep GRUB...
> 
If you didn't set a password for grub, you can select the option in the
grub menu and press e for edit.
This permits you to edit the command line executed by grub.
Add a "noreboot" at the end of the line that starts with kernel and this
way you can see the messages for linux at boot up.

Miguel Cobá
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> 


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installaing php4-odbc wants to replace kernel?

2006-07-26 Thread kenn

I've just finished installing freetds and now need to get it to work
with PHP4 ... when I try to install php4-odbc via dselect, here's what I
get:


The following packages will be REMOVED:
  kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  php4-odbc

  You are running a kernel (version 2.6.8-2-386) and attempting to remove
  the same version. This is a potentially disastrous action. Not only
  will /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 be removed, making it impossible to boot
  it, (you will have to take action to change your boot loader to boot
  a new kernel), it will also remove all modules under the directory
  /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386. Just having a copy of the kernel image is not
  enough, you will have to replace the modules too.

I repeat, this is very dangerous. If at all in doubt, answer
no. If you know exactly what you are doing, and are prepared to
hose your system, then answer Yes.

-
Why does it need to remove the kernel?  and how do i get around it?
/etc/apt/sources.lst looks like this:

deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main
deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main


I know I'm in way over my head, but can someone help me understand this
and what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Kenn


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Re: GRUB Reboot Loop

Pieter Agten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> How can I solve this problem? One fix might be to install LILO instead
> of GRUB, but what is the best way to do this? I replaced GRUB by LILO
> once before, and after that, everytime I would install a different
> (home made) kernel, I had to adjust the lilo.conf and run lilo
> manually, so I would like to avoid that. If it is possible, I would
> like to keep GRUB...

Go to another machine and make yourself a GRUB boot floppy or GRUB boot
CD; you should be able to boot Linux with that, and then you can fix the
problem.

RLH


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Re: System Quits Responding-Swap Issue Or What?

2006-07-26 Thread Leonard Chatagnier



--- Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Leonard Chatagnier wrote:
> > Runing unstable on a Dell dimensions XPS T450 with
> 128
> > Mb Ram and 384 Mb Swap Partition on a 13 Gb HD. I
> run
> > KDE with usually 4 or 5 session Konsole windows
> open
> > and the Mozilla browser and perhaps an embedded
> modia
> > player open-nothing else. Before a few minutes
> pass(<
> > 5 min.), the HD starts making noise, reading and
> > writing, then the mouse becomes
> unresponsive(clicking
> > anything wont respond for several minutes) and may
> > even disappear(pointer) for a minute of so. After
> > several minutes pass(maybe 15-20 min.) the system
> > begins to respond normally again after the HD
> slows
> > down it's read/write activity. During the total
> time
> > this phenomena is occurring, the system is totally
> > useless. Can't even shut it down.  I don't know if
> > this is even a swap issue or what to do about it
> or
> > whether it may be a virus infection or some setup
> > issue. It is totally unacceptable and I could use
> some
> > serious help in pinning it down and getting it
> fixed. 
> > Please copy my email address as I'm not
> subscribed. 
> >
> >   
> 
> I'd start by seeing if it happens with another user.
> In a different windowing environment.
> In a simple X session (twm or icewm, etc)
> In console without X running at all.
> In single-user mode.
> 
> Then I'd post the results here.
> 
> -- 
> Kent
> 
> 
Thanks for the reply.
I have 3 users, two very basic trying to get embedded
mplayer to work, and it occurs on all. Sawfish and
Metacity wont load. Debian gnome is no longer
installed (sid and aptitude decided I no longer need
it) but the few times I used it, it did the same.
Don't have TWM and ICEWM installed and never used
them. Never have been able to use xinit or startx but
after putting a stop on kdm, they workded from tty as
root. But all the time, I was doing this and ever
since composing this reply, the HD was running
rampant. It just now has stopped while running kde
mozilla with startx. Downloaded, installed TWM with
xinit which was very slow and stopped at points in the
install process using a vt and the HD still running
constantly. Rebooted into single user mode but the HD
activity had already stopped and usually once it does
I have no more problems for a while unless I leave the
computer running for a long time. Haven't used single
user mode much and may have not used it as you wanted.
When prompted I selected control-D instead of giving
root pwd for maintenance. Never could get twm to run.
Always got "could not start display for whatever I
used for -display dpy. I used xdm, kdm gdm, X, X:0.0
and X11 all yielding the same error message.
Hope this answers all, if not, be glad to try more
with more specific how tos. In, short, once the HD
activity stopped after about a hour, it hasn't
restarted. Took about 3 hours to compose this reply
mostly due to the delay during the HD activity.





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Re: Fedora Core 5 on a primary HD and Debian 3.1 on a slave HD

2006-07-26 Thread Joe


Dan wrote:

I run FC5 on one of my two HDs (the same machine).
How do I create a boot procedure where I can choose
between the two OSes? If I try to install Debian on
the slave HD the installation procedure 'wipes out' the FC5 boot.
-dan




Tell Debian not to install a bootloader at the appropriate screen, then
when it reboots it will do so into FC5. Edit the FC5 bootloader to add
Debian. Details depend on whether the FC5 bootloader is lilo or grub.

Then reboot, select Debian and continue the installation, which will not
yet be complete.

It's worth adding the FC5 and Debian filesystems to each others'
/etc/fstab, with appropriate mount points, allowing easy access to the
other one. Very useful when the disaster strikes. Unless the problem is
with the FC5 bootloader, of course.


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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-26 Thread Derek Martin

On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 04:55:02PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > > Now that your pointing this out for me :) indeed I was using a
> > > '^' char followed by a '['.  But how can I enter that control
> > > character? What is the keycombo for it?
> > 
> > Check my previous email.  I don't know how to do it in vi
> > (unfortunately), but it can be done in emacs.
> 
> With vi, when you are in edit mode ("-- INSERT --" etc.), you can press
>  + Q followed by . (Release the other two keys again before
> you press .) If you use colors you will see that '^[' is shown in a
> different color to indicate that it is a special character and not just
> '^' + '['. It is furthermore treated as one character when you move the
> cursor across it.

If I may be pedantic...  First of all you mean vim.  The original vi
does not support syntax coloring, and there are other vi clones which
may behave differently than you describe (like elvis, etc.).

Secondly, the key to use is dependent on your operating system and
terminal settings.  On Windows, the key seems to be CTRL-Q.  On
virtually any Unix platform, the default is CTRL-V but is configurable
by the user, using stty or similar terminal control programs.  The
setting is controlled by your terminal, not by vim per se.

You can see what it is currently set to using stty -a:

  $ stty -a
  speed 38400 baud; rows 24; columns 80; line = 0;
  intr = ^C; quit = ^\; erase = ^?; kill = ^U; eof = ^D; eol = ;
  eol2 = ; start = ^Q; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; rprnt = ^R; werase = ^W;
  lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0;
  -parenb -parodd cs8 -hupcl -cstopb cread -clocal -crtscts
  -ignbrk -brkint -ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl ixon -ixoff
  -iuclc -ixany -imaxbel
  opost -olcuc -ocrnl onlcr -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel nl0 cr0 tab0 bs0 vt0 
ff0
  isig icanon iexten echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -xcase -tostop -echoprt
  echoctl echoke

Notice on the 4th line of output at the beginning, the entry 

  lnext = ^V

This is the key which is correct on your terminal.  The "lnext"
keyword is short for "literal next character" and is what you would
use to change the key using stty.  For example:

  stty lnext ^U

...changes the character to CTRL-U, though this isn't recommended as
^U normally corresponds to the kill character (not the same as the
kill command) by default.  These are the normal defaults for xterm and
its cousins, which are based on the DEC vt100 family of terminals, as
is the Linux console.  Note from the output above that ^Q is assigned
to "start" which is the XON character for terminal flow control, so it
will not work as advertised above on this terminal.

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GRUB Reboot Loop

2006-07-26 Thread Pieter Agten


Hello,

A couple of weeks ago I installed Debian Stable (3.1) on a PII 400Mhz 
with a 80GB harddisk, everything worked fine. I had to replace this 
harddisk with a different one (also 80GB) and I did this by cloning the 
original disk to this new one with HDClone 3.1. After replacing the 
harddisk, the system doesn't boot anymore: when I should see the GRUB 
Boot Menu,  the system just reboots. So now it is stuck in a reboot loop.


The exact boot process is as follows:
- System POST
- I see 'GRUB Loading stage1.5.' and 'GRUB loading, please wait...' for 
about half a second.

- Reboot

I am sure the HDClone 3.1 program works flawlessly because I have used 
it before (on linux systems) and it has never failed. Furthermore, I 
have had this problem before on an entirely different system, right 
after the Debian installation (so on that system I never had even one 
correct boot with GRUB).


How can I solve this problem? One fix might be to install LILO instead 
of GRUB, but what is the best way to do this? I replaced GRUB by LILO 
once before, and after that, everytime I would install a different (home 
made) kernel, I had to adjust the lilo.conf and run lilo manually, so I 
would like to avoid that. If it is possible, I would like to keep GRUB...


Thanks in advance!


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Re: problem installing tdsodbc

2006-07-26 Thread Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez

Leinier C. Salfran wrote:
> El mar, 25-07-2006 a las 10:21 -0500, kenn escribió:
>> Greetings.
>>
>> I'm having trouble installing tdsodbc from unstable
>> (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/tdsodbc) onto my Debian 3.1
>> stable 
>>
>> Having edited /etc/apt/sources.list to request unstable, I get the
>> following when I try to install.
>>

This is my /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free

Use yor mirror instead.

My /etc/apt/apt.conf:

APT::Default-Release "unstable";

My /etc/apt/preferences

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 700

Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 600

Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 500

This way I always get stable packages, but testing or unstable packages
if they don't exist for stable.
When I want a testing package I do:

aptitude install tdsodbc -ttesting

and aptitude gets the package from testing trying to get the dependences
from testing too.

I hope this help.

Miguel Cobá




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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 16:55 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> With vi, when you are in edit mode ("-- INSERT --" etc.), you can press
>  + Q followed by . (Release the other two keys again before
> you press .) If you use colors you will see that '^[' is shown in a
> different color to indicate that it is a special character and not just
> '^' + '['. It is furthermore treated as one character when you move the
> cursor across it. 

Cool, thanks.  However, at least in gnome-terminal, you should use
' + v' and not ' + q'.  From vim-doc usr_24.html:

*24.8*  Entering special characters

The CTRL-V command is used to insert the next character literally.  In other
words, any special meaning the character has, it will be ignored.  For
example:

CTRL-V 

Inserts an escape character.  Thus you don't leave Insert mode.  (Don't type
the space after CTRL-V, it's only to make this easier to read).

Note:
On MS-Windows CTRL-V is used to paste text.  Use CTRL-Q instead of
CTRL-V.  On Unix, on the other hand, CTRL-Q does not work on some
terminals, because it has a special meaning.

Jamie Strandboge

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Mapping sector numbers to files?

2006-07-26 Thread Reid Priedhorsky

Dear group,

I have the following in my syslog:

Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x71 { DriveReady 
DeviceFault SeekComplete Error }
Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: hda: DMA disabled
Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: ide0: reset: master: ECC circuitry error
Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: hda: set_geometry_intr: status=0x71 { DriveReady 
DeviceFault SeekComplete Error }
Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: hda: set_geometry_intr: error=0x04 { 
DriveStatusError }
Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: ide0: reset: master: ECC circuitry error
Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01 (hda), sector 
3670016
Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01 (hda), sector 
3670024
Jul 25 08:36:41 convex kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01 (hda), sector 
3670112

Not good, right?

Anyway, I'd like to figure out which files are affected by the problem. Is
there a way for me to map those sector numbers to file names?

Thanks,

Reid


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Re: Jabber network vs. multi-protocol IM clients

2006-07-26 Thread Steve Lamb

Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 22:49, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 22:19, Steve Lamb wrote:
 Paul Johnson wrote:
> So SMTP unifying email is a bad thing?  That's what it sounds like
> you're arguing to me.
 No, that would be what your strawman is telling you.
>>> So are you going to explain why I'm wrong, or do we just take the
>>> Ultimate Supreme Holy Word of Steve Lamb?
>> I did.  Or are you unfamiliar with the term Strawman argument?
> 
> I'm familiar with it, OTOH, I don't see it as a strawman, which is why I 
> asked 
> for explaination.

Then you clearly aren't familiar with it.  I ask you, just what does SMTP
have to do with what I did say given that I didn't mention SMTP at all?

So why are you setting up this SMTP strawman to knock down?  Furthermore,
why are you asking me to explain the obvious if you're so familiar with it?
No explanation is needed because I said no such thing.

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RE: just some thoughts

2006-07-26 Thread Brunner, Brian T.

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> On Tuesday 25 July 2006 06:41, Juergen Fiedler wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 07:04:43PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > > Them:  Can I run my games?
> > > > Me: Let me see 'em.
> > > > No.
> > > > Them: I guess I'll have to stick with Windows.
> > > >
> > > > You can't imagine how frustrating that can be.
> > >
> > > Point them in the direction of Cedega 

> > That would be because Cedega is still far from supporting all games
> 
> Get coding then.  They let you contribute to their CVS.

Suggest: code for Wine, not Cedega: Wine is OpenSource.

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Re: etch installer on dialup line?

2006-07-26 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Joey Hess wrote:

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
I downloaded the latest business-card image of d-i and tried to install 
sid with it.


You need a slightly larger CD image. The netinst image contains only
software that you would download anyway during the install, and it also
contains a copy of ppp. You'll be able to install the base system
without going online, then after it reboots into debian, you can install
ppp from the CD, configure it, and pull down whatever else you need over
the modem.

Alternatively, if you want a simpler desktop install, the full CD is a
good choice, since it contains little aside from what you'll need for a
desktop install. Again you can install ppp after the install to pull
down any additional software you need.



Thanks Joey, let me try the netinst image.

The reason I did not do that is the wiki. It says:

...
You cannot install sid from a netinst or full CD, only etch
...

I guess I ought to repost back to the list, I found very little info on 
how to do this.


H


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Install problems

2006-07-26 Thread Harold D. Skank

People,

I'm attempting to install Debian 3.1r2 on a Dell - Optiplex GX400, and
I'm not progressing very fast.

I should say that I already have CentOS 4.3 up and running on this
machine, which leads me to believe that the BIOS supports ISOLinux
already.

To make a long story short, the system doesn't seem to recognize the
boot material, either as the first CDROM of the group of 14, or the boot
floppy containing sbm.bin.

The original 14 CDROM's were created using another CentOS 4.3 system.  A
second copy of the first CDROM was generated using CentOS on the target
system.  Neither copy worked.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Harold Skank


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Re: Fedora Core 5 on a primary HD and Debian 3.1 on a slave HD

2006-07-26 Thread Paul E Condon

On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 04:10:00PM +0200, Dan wrote:
> I run FC5 on one of my two HDs (the same machine).
> How do I create a boot procedure where I can choose
> between the two OSes? If I try to install Debian on
> the slave HD the installation procedure 'wipes out' the FC5 boot.
> -dan

Tell us which boot software you use already, grub or lilo. 
The solution to your problem doesn't require switching to
the one that is unfamiliar to you. 

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Re: Is there a 2.6.16-2-686-smp header mismatch?

2006-07-26 Thread Greg Madden

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:25:53 -0700
"Martin J. Hillyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 03:52:07PM -0400, S Scharf wrote:
> >I just installed the etch linux-image-2.6.16-2-686-smp package
> > on my machine
> >along with linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686-smp. I than tried to run
> > the vmware-config.pl to use the new kernel. I get:
> > 
> >
> >What is the location of the directory of C header files that
> > match your running
> >kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
> >/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686-smp/include
> > 
> >The kernel defined by this directory of header files does not
> > have the same
> >address space size as your running kernel.
> > 
> >
> > 
> >Am I doing something wrong, or is there a mismatch between the
> > headers and the kernel?
> 
> You probably need to apply the vmware any-any patch (search on
> vmware.com); see 
> www.vmware.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=439133
> 
> BTW, when you get around to upgrading to 2.6.17, you might need to
> check out www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?messageID=432775.  I
> had to do these edits before VMWare worked for me on 2.6.17 + Debian.
> 
> Good Luck, HTH

That solved the issue on 2.6.16-686-smp box but the 2.6.16-k7-smp
kernel box stops with the headers don't match the kernel eor
message :-(  I had to dl the source and make-oldconfig using the
official kernels .config file and make a header & kernel package.
Strange but the 2.6.15-k7-smp kernel & headers were working fine before
the upgrade , now after fooling around with Vmware & new kernel, the
Debian 2.6.15-k7-smp shows the same error. 

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Re: Source Code


Roy Mabry wrote:
i have a smae question...I am going to install debian but is the source 
code

on the disks...or do i download it elsewhereAlso is sarge on the disk?


Think *before* you write. You've just got an answer to the similar 
question you just posted minutes ago.


It depends. If you got a 'sarge' CD it should have 'sarge' on it. If you 
got 'testing' or 'George Michael' on that CD than not...


Johannes


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Re: source code and sarge

2006-07-26 Thread shell


Roy Mabry wrote:
Are the source code and sage on the cd or do i need to download it 
from you web site? I have never installed debian before but io have 
seen it and liked it alot


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Thank You
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If u get full debian disk(2 DVDs), u can install them(binary & source) 
from CD/DVD, get update in debian's pool. Most of time we use 
netinst-disk so we install base system from CD/DVD & get others from 
debian's pool. U can use aptitude or just apt-get to install some debian 
package. It will download, install, & config automaticely according ur 
configure in /etc/apt/source.list. U can choose fast mirrors to ur 
computer, & here is the list.

http://www.debian.org/mirrors/
Installnation just like pick what's u need in supermarket.Wish u like this.
Shell.E.Xu

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Re: source code and sarge


Roy Mabry wrote:

Are the source code and sage on the cd or do i need to download it from you
web site? I have never installed debian before but io have seen it and 
liked

it alot


There are two common methods of obtaining debian:

- buy a full set of CDs/DVDs. Take care that you buy a set with source 
code included.


- burn a 'minimal' installation CD and download only those packages that 
you need (after the base system is installed).


You can always download the source to a certain package by
$ apt-get source packagename

(once you've installed debian)

Johannes


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Re: Installation problem

2006-07-26 Thread Thierry Chatelet


Stephen Liu wrote:

Hi Thierry Chatelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Can you post the output of lspci?



# lspci
-bash : command not found

Sorry.

I have another SATA HD on this PC running FC5_64

# lspci
00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.1 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a2)
00:00.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2)
00:00.3 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2)
00:00.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2)
00:00.5 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.6 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 3 (rev a2)
00:00.7 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 2 (rev a2)
00:02.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:03.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:04.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:09.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 LPC Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP51 SMBus (rev a2)
00:0b.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev
a2)
00:0b.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev
a2)
00:0d.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 IDE (rev a1)
00:0e.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller
(rev a1)
00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio
(rev a2)
00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a1)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
HyperTra nsport Technology
Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
Address  Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
DRAM Con troller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
Miscella neous Control
03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce
6600] (rev a 2)
* * * end * * *

Onboard LAN driver;
nVidia Corporation MCP51Ethernet Controller


B.R.
SL



  
Using google on your lan I found that some have problem of stability, 
ie: the system hangs, but the Lan was recognized. Well, maybe someone 
with more knowledge than I can help you. Sorry I could not do more

Thierry


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Source Code

2006-07-26 Thread Roy Mabry

i have a smae question...I am going to install debian but is the source code on the disks...or do i download it elsewhereAlso is sarge on the disk?-- Thank YouRoy Mabry

webinterfaces.......

2006-07-26 Thread Margiolas Christos

Hello to everyboby! I have an imptortant problem for me. I install debian etch manually and now I can't open from noone browser the webinterfaces of mldonkey and lynksis. What I have to do in order to use these interfaces?
Thanks in advance Christos

Fedora Core 5 on a primary HD and Debian 3.1 on a slave HD

2006-07-26 Thread Dan

I run FC5 on one of my two HDs (the same machine).
How do I create a boot procedure where I can choose
between the two OSes? If I try to install Debian on
the slave HD the installation procedure 'wipes out' the FC5 boot.
-dan


"You man, be human" (Tage Danielsson).


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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-26 Thread Florian Kulzer

On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 10:35:56 -0400, James Strandboge wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 15:42 +0200, LeVA wrote:
> > 2006. July 26. 14:32, James Strandboge:
> > > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 22:59 +0200, LeVA wrote:
> > > Are you *sure* that the control characters have been entered
> > > correctly? It is not '^' followed by '['.  It must be the single
> > > charactor '^['.
> > >
> > Now that your pointing this out for me :) indeed I was using a '^' char 
> > followed by a '['.
> > But how can I enter that control character? What is the keycombo for it?
> 
> Check my previous email.  I don't know how to do it in vi
> (unfortunately), but it can be done in emacs.

With vi, when you are in edit mode ("-- INSERT --" etc.), you can press
 + Q followed by . (Release the other two keys again before
you press .) If you use colors you will see that '^[' is shown in a
different color to indicate that it is a special character and not just
'^' + '['. It is furthermore treated as one character when you move the
cursor across it.

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Mouse devices gone after suspend-to-ram

2006-07-26 Thread John O'Hagan

Hi,

After upgrading to a 2.6.16 etch kernel on a whitebox Centrino, S3 suspend (to 
ram) is almost working using the hibernate script.

On resume, however I find that the devices for my touchpad have not been 
created, so it doesn't function.

 Xorg.0.log reports:

(EE) xf86OpenSerial: No Device specified.
(EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"
(**) |-->Input Device "Synaptics Touchpad"
(II) Synaptics touchpad driver version 0.14.5 (1405)
Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics event device found (checked 12 nodes)
Synaptics driver unable to open device
(EE) PreInit failed for input device "Synaptics Touchpad"

A normal ls -R /dev/input:

by-path
event0
event1
event3  #note: sometimes this is event2
mice
mouse0

/dev/input/by-path:

platform-i8042-serio-3-event-mouse
platform-i8042-serio-3-mouse
platform-i8042-serio-4-event-kbd
platform-pcspkr-event-spkr


But after resume:

/dev/input:

by-path
event0
event1
mice

/dev/input/by-path:

platform-i8042-serio-4-event-kbd
platform-pcspkr-event-spkr

So far I have tried reloading the psmouse module (which succeeds but does not 
create the required devices), restarting udev and restarting X (same result). 
Reloading evdev is not allowed ("in use"), and I have mousedev compiled in.

Rebooting fixes the problem, but I am hoping there is a less drastic way!

Would it be possible, for example to write a udev rule to ensure that udev 
will create /dev/input/mouse0, or whatever is required, on resume, ensuring 
that the device is actually used by the touchpad?

I've been looking at /etc/udevz20_persistent-input-rules, but I can't see why 
it wouldn't be working. I've pasted it below for udev experts.

Also, why do devices disappear during suspend-to-ram? Could this be a module 
ordering issue? Why can't you tickle yourself? etc., etc...

Any help appreciated,

John


P.S Worked around a "fan stuck on after resume" bug: 

echo 0 > proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state
echo 0 > proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state
echo 3 > proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state
echo 3 > proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state

The repeats seem to be necessary.

Also, after resume, reboot hangs at "Restarting system".

 

/etc/udevz20_persistent-input-rules:

BUS=="usb", SYSFS{bInterfaceClass}=="03", SYSFS{bInterfaceProtocol}=="02", \
ENV{ID_CLASS}="mouse"

# other devices
DRIVER=="pcspkr",   ENV{ID_CLASS}="spkr"
DRIVER=="atkbd",ENV{ID_CLASS}="kbd"
DRIVER=="psmouse",  ENV{ID_CLASS}="mouse"
SYSFS{name}=="*dvb*|*DVB*|* IR *",  ENV{ID_CLASS}="ir"

ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="", ENV{ID_SERIAL}="noserial"

# by-id links, generic and for the event devices
KERNEL=="mouse*", \
ENV{ID_BUS}=="?*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="?*", ENV{ID_CLASS}=="?*", \
SYMLINK+="input/by-id/$env{ID_BUS}-$env{ID_SERIAL}-$env{ID_CLASS}"
KERNEL=="event*", \
ENV{ID_BUS}=="?*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="?*", ENV{ID_CLASS}=="?*", \
SYMLINK+="input/by-id/$env{ID_BUS}-$env{ID_SERIAL}-event-$env{ID_CLASS}"

# by-path links
IMPORT{program}="path_id %p"
KERNEL=="mouse*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="?*", \
SYMLINK+="input/by-path/$env{ID_PATH}-$env{ID_CLASS}"
KERNEL=="event*", ENV{ID_PATH}=="?*", \
SYMLINK+="input/by-path/$env{ID_PATH}-event-$env{ID_CLASS}"

LABEL="persistent_input_end"


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source code and sarge

2006-07-26 Thread Roy Mabry

Are the source code and sage on the cd or do i need to download it from you web site? I have never installed debian before but io have seen it and liked it alot-- Thank YouRoy Mabry

Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 15:42 +0200, LeVA wrote:
> 2006. July 26. 14:32, James Strandboge:
> > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 22:59 +0200, LeVA wrote:
> > Are you *sure* that the control characters have been entered
> > correctly? It is not '^' followed by '['.  It must be the single
> > charactor '^['.
> >
> Now that your pointing this out for me :) indeed I was using a '^' char 
> followed by a '['.
> But how can I enter that control character? What is the keycombo for it?

Check my previous email.  I don't know how to do it in vi
(unfortunately), but it can be done in emacs.

...

> When I'm using a login shell, everything is working.
> But when I'm using a non-login shell (in my case Konsole from KDE), then 
> everything gets still sourced from my ~/.profile (so my PS1 
> is 'whatever...') *BUT* the aliases are not working.

It needs to be a login shell, or have ENV set.  From the man page:
   If the basename of the name the shell is called  with  (i.e.,  argv[0])
   starts with - or if the -l option is used, the shell is assumed to be a
   login shell and the shell reads and executes the contents of  /etc/pro‐
   file and $HOME/.profile if they exist and are readable.

   If  the  ENV parameter is set when the shell starts (or, in the case of
   login shells, after any profiles are processed), its value is subjected
   to  parameter,  command,  arithmetic  and  tilde  substitution  and the
   resulting file (if any) is read and executed.  If ENV parameter is  not
   set  (and  not  null) and pdksh was compiled with the DEFAULT_ENV macro
   defined, the file named in that macro is included (after the above men‐
   tioned substitutions have been performed).

So either set konsole up to launch ksh as a login shell, or set ENV
somewhere.  You can test this with:

$ ENV="~/.profile" konsole

Or launch konsole, and do:
$ ksh -l

If you setup .profile the way I suggested (eg, by setting ENV to
be .kshrc), konsole works properly.  For some reason, gnome-terminal
does not do this correctly, but it has a method of launching the shell
as a login session, which works just as well.

Jamie

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Re: Etch and NFS problems

2006-07-26 Thread Tom Llewellyn-Smith

I seem to have exactly the same problem, I am trying to mount a sarge
server from an etch Desktop install and can not mount...

I always get the permission denied error even though my /etc/exports
file is correctly configured...(not using host.allow or hosts.deny)

Mounting from sarge server to sarge server works flawlessly, so i can
only deduce that error is in etch implementation of NFS?? Anyone else
get the bug?

Tom Llewellyn-Smith
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Re: Installation problem

2006-07-26 Thread Stephen Liu

Hi Thierry Chatelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can you post the output of lspci?

# lspci
-bash : command not found

Sorry.

I have another SATA HD on this PC running FC5_64

# lspci
00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.1 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a2)
00:00.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2)
00:00.3 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2)
00:00.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2)
00:00.5 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:00.6 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 3 (rev a2)
00:00.7 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 2 (rev a2)
00:02.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:03.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:04.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
00:09.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Host Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 LPC Bridge (rev a2)
00:0a.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP51 SMBus (rev a2)
00:0b.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev
a2)
00:0b.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 USB Controller (rev
a2)
00:0d.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 IDE (rev a1)
00:0e.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller
(rev a1)
00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2)
00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio
(rev a2)
00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a1)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
HyperTra nsport Technology
Configuration
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
Address  Map
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
DRAM Con troller
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 [Athlon64/Opteron]
Miscella neous Control
03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce
6600] (rev a 2)
* * * end * * *

Onboard LAN driver;
nVidia Corporation MCP51Ethernet Controller


B.R.
SL



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Re: stop from upgrading

2006. July 26. 14:11, Paras pradhan:
> Hi all:
>
> Due to some reasons i need to degrade few packages to older versions.
> After that when i want to install any other packages, then it prompts
> to first do: apt-get -f install. How do i get rid of this?
>
What are those packages which you want to keep downgraded? Just in case 
it is not the C library or some other basic stuff which is needed by 
almost all packages there could be a solution depending on what is the 
package.

Daniel

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Re: "Unpacking replacement..." hangs in apt-get.

2006-07-26 Thread Adam Soltan


I followed your advice and it was one of those scripts that
was in an uninterrupted loop (or something like that). However,
when I ran it by hand, ie from command line it didn't hang
but it didn't seem to do anything either. Later I went into
dselect and started removing 'broken packages'. These were
numerous. In fact, by the time I was through the networking
stopped working. So I reinstalled the system from the ground
up and it works fine. Unfortunately, I can no longer study
the bogus behavior. On the other hand, my hardware (x86_64)
is now in official unstable release (it used to be stable
only). Maybe there is some problem with the stable release?

Regards,
/Adam

Joey Hess wrote:

Adam Soltan wrote:

Preconfiguring packages ...
(Reading database ... 105697 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace mozilla-browser 2:1.7.8-1sarge5 (using 
.../mozilla-browser_2%3a1.7.8-1sarge6_amd64.deb) ...

Unpacking replacement mozilla-browser ...



So instead of the ctrl-c stuff, run ps fax in another console, and look
to see what maintainer script is running (postrm or postinst probably)
and what program it's run that's hanging (maybe update-menus?)

Then see if you can reproduce the hang running the same program by hand,
strace it, and send in a bug report on it.




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Re: Installation problem

2006-07-26 Thread Thierry Chatelet


Stephen Liu wrote:
Hi Thierry, 


Tks for your URL.

  
I see your problem now. Maybe you should try to re-install using 
something newer than what you have. You can safely install a testing 
machine using the following link:




http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
  


download it and have the ISO image burned on CD.  Sorry still no
chance, LAN card could not be detected leaving me no opportunity to
hookup the mirror site downloading other packages.  I'm now running a
minimal installation.  I have only 2 choices;

1) get a PCI network card
Or
2) download the full version on 2 DVD

# pppoeconf
did not work on this version.  What command shall I run to configure
ADSL connection?  Tks.

Besides I run "installgui" and can't control partitioning the HD with
LVM.  I set up;

HD - 40G

P-partition / 8G
logical partition /home 10G
Logical partition swap 1G

the remaining capacity as free space.  All partition on ext3

Any advice?  TIA

B.R.
SL


  

Can you post the output of lspci?


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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 08:32 -0400, James Strandboge wrote:
> It works fine here.  Two things:

Actually, there is one more.  Check your TERM variable.  I use
gnome-terminal, which always sets TERM to 'xterm'.  This is fine for
GNU/Linux boxes, but ssh'ing into OpenBSD requires that TERM be set to
'xterm-color'.  'wsvt25' should be used on OpenBSD for console logins.
May also be needed on FreeBSD, but haven't checked.

So, I did this in in ~/.kshrc:
# hack because gnome-terminal always does 'xterm' and I need 'xterm-xfree86'
if [ "$TERM" == "xterm" ]
then
export TERM=xterm-xfree86
fi

Again, this is not needed for GNU/Linux boxes, both 'xterm' and
'linux' (for console logins) work fine without the above.  However,
using it doesn't hurt anything, so I set it up that way everywhere.

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Re: stop from upgrading


Paras pradhan wrote:

Due to some reasons i need to degrade few packages to older versions.
After that when i want to install any other packages, then it prompts
to first do: apt-get -f install. How do i get rid of this?


Downgrading is not supported by debian. One way to circumvent this is to 
purge/remove the package/ a couple of packages and reinstalling them. If 
this doesn't work due to dependencies, you're gonna have some problems.


If it's a lot that has to be fixed and you can't figure it out, one 
clean way would be to save your package selection status and to do a 
fresh install...


HTH,
Johannes


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Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006. July 26. 14:32, James Strandboge:
> On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 22:59 +0200, LeVA wrote:
> > 2006. July 25. 21:20, James Strandboge:
> > > So a no frills color prompt without the title might be:
> > > PS1='^[[0;[EMAIL PROTECTED] ${PWD##*/}]$^[[m '
> >
> > Thanks a lot for the reply, I've tried it and it stays the same :\
> > just spits out the characters, and no colours.
>
> $ apt-cache policy pdksh
> pdksh:
>   Installed: 5.2.14-18
>   Candidate: 5.2.14-18
>   Version Table:
>  *** 5.2.14-18 0
> 500 http://http.us.debian.org sarge/main Packages
> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>
> It works fine here.  Two things:
>
> Are you *sure* that the control characters have been entered
> correctly? It is not '^' followed by '['.  It must be the single
> charactor '^['.
>
Now that your pointing this out for me :) indeed I was using a '^' char 
followed by a '['.
But how can I enter that control character? What is the keycombo for it?
> Is your profile being sourced correctly?  I have to do this (and only
> this) in ~/.profile:
> ENV=$HOME/.kshrc; export ENV
I'm putting everything in my .profile. It is always executed so I don't 
see any reason why I should create a .kshrc. BTW, I need you to clarify 
something for me please.
My setup looks like this:

~/.profile:
--###--
PS1='whatever...'
export PS1

alias df='df -h'
--###--

When I'm using a login shell, everything is working.
But when I'm using a non-login shell (in my case Konsole from KDE), then 
everything gets still sourced from my ~/.profile (so my PS1 
is 'whatever...') *BUT* the aliases are not working.
When I type `alias' to my non-login shell then it just prints out the 
builtin defaults. I think that the feature I need is "alias exporting", 
which could be done with "alias -x df='df -h'", but pdksh doesn't 
support it yet(according to the authors homepage, this is still an 
existing bug).
Quote from http://www.cs.mun.ca/~michael/pdksh/NOTES :
"General features of at&t ksh88 that are not (yet) in pdksh:
- exported aliases and functions (not in ksh93)."

Can you confirm this or there is a misunderstanding in my head about 
this behaviour, and there is a way to make my aliases work in a 
non-login shell.

NOTE that if I type in the command `alias df='df -h'` in a non-login 
shell then I can use the alias, but I don't want to type in every alias 
everytime :)

>
> and then add whatever to ~/.kshrc.  Try a blank .kshrc except for
> setting PS1 (to make sure there are no syntax errors, etc).  I use
> the same .profile and .kshrc file on Debian Sarge, Ubuntu Dapper,
> OpenBSD and FreeBSD with no problems.
>
> Jamie Strandboge
>
Thanks for the reply

Daniel

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Re: Howto fix grub after converting to reiserfs

2006-07-26 Thread shell





Florian Kulzer wrote:

  On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 11:48:07 +0100, marc wrote:
  
  
Matthew Dawson said...


  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Tuesday 11 July 2006 17:03, marc wrote:
  
  
Hi,

I have a little problem :-o

Machine has Windows on sda2 vfat, which is the MBR. (sda1 is not used),
Linux on sda3, sda4 contains sda5 swap, sda6 ext Linux, sda7 is vfat
shared space.

Here's the story, so far

- moved Linux (on sda3) to a safe place while booted on another
partition (sda6)
- formatted sda3 as reiserfs
- amended both fstabs (sda3 and sda6)
- mounted the newly formatted sda3 partition
- moved the data back onto sda3
- rebooted.

Grub currently loads from /boot on sda3, or rather it doesn't now. I'm
getting an error 17 : Cannot mount selected partition. I'm not overly
surprised, but I'm not sure what to do next.

I can mount the partition from a live CD without a problem, and I
obviously mounted it from my sda6 partition.

Suggestions welcomed.

  
  It would seem that grub only embeded support for ext2, which is what it should 
do because the partition was ext (it uses ext2 support for both ext3 and 
ext2).  What you have to do is embed the reiserfs support.
Try mounting the all the partitions as normal from a livecd, then chrooting 
into it and running update-grub.  That should fix the problem.
  

Just got back to this. Nope, update-grub only "updated" menu.lst, no 
changes to the initrd.

  
  
sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-

should rebuild your initrd. (For older kernels it is "kernel-image"
instead of "linux-image".)

If that does not work in the chroot environment then you can call
mkinitrd or mkinitrd.yaird directly.

  

    I looked up GNU GRUB Manual
0.97(http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/index.html),
seems like u problem is this.

  17 : Cannot mount selected partition
  This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the
filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
  
  
      If it's true, that's means u grub stage1 image in sda's mbr
can't load stage2. So it's useless which update initrd.img. U can
bootup from LiveCD because ur LiveCD use stage2_eltorito or
syslinux(that's more commonly) to find vmlinuz & initrd.img. So
maybe that's what u wanna.
  
  
  — Command: install [--force-lba] [--stage2=os_stage2_file]
stage1_file [d]
dest_dev stage2_file [addr] [p] [config_file] [real_config_file]

In short, it will perform a full install presuming the Stage 2 or
Stage
1.510 is in its final install location. 
In slightly more detail, it will load stage1_file,
validate that
it is a GRUB Stage 1 of the right version number, install in it a
blocklist for loading stage2_file as a Stage 2. If the
option
d is present, the Stage 1 will
always look for the actual
disk stage2_file was installed on, rather than using the
booting
drive. The Stage 2 will be loaded at address addr, which
must be
`0x8000' for a true Stage 2, and
`0x2000' for a Stage 1.5. If
addr is not present, GRUB will determine the address
automatically. It then writes the completed Stage 1 to the first block
of the device dest_dev. If the options p or
config_file are present, then it reads the first block of
stage2,
modifies it with the values of the partition stage2_file
was found
on (for p) or places the
string config_file into the area
telling the stage2 where to look for a configuration file at boot
time. Likewise, if real_config_file is present and
stage2_file is a Stage 1.5, then the Stage 2 config_file
is
patched with the configuration file name real_config_file.
This
command preserves the DOS BPB (and for hard disks, the partition table)
of the sector the Stage 1 is to be installed into. 

  Caution3: You must specify the option --stage2 in the
grub shell, if you cannot unmount the filesystem where your stage2 file
resides. The argument should be the file name in your operating system.
  
  
  e2fs_stage1_5
  fat_stage1_5
  ffs_stage1_5
  jfs_stage1_5
  minix_stage1_5
  reiserfs_stage1_5
  vstafs_stage1_5
  xfs_stage1_5
  These are called Stage 1.5, because they serve as a
bridge
between stage1 and stage2, that is to say, Stage 1.5 is
loaded by Stage 1 and Stage 1.5 loads Stage 2. The difference between
stage1 and *_stage1_5 is that the former doesn't
understand any filesystem while the latter understands one filesystem
(e.g. e2fs_stage1_5 understands
ext2fs). So you can move the
Stage 2 image to another location safely, even after GRUB has been
installed.
While Stage 2 cannot generally be embedded in a fixed area as
the size
is so large, Stage 1.5 can be installed into the area right after an
MBR,
or the boot loader area of a ReiserFS or a FFS. 
  

    In ur problem, maybe u can try this in grub shell.
setup --stage2=/boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5
(hd0)
install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0)
/boot/grub/reiserfs_stage1_5

    Remember return 2 me if that's really work, because I'm not sure in
this.

Re: Just one share that any and all my users can write / delete from it - samba wont hear of it

2006-07-26 Thread Larry Irwin


It appears to me that the only items that need to be added are:
-
[global]
  guest account = nobody
  create mask = 0777
  directory mask = 0777
[SDRIVE]
 comment = SDRIVE Public Shared Directory
 read only = No
-
Make sure that the user "nobody" exists in /etc/passwd and that it has a 
home directory defined that does NOT exist.
These smb.conf entries will allow users to create files with perms of 766 
and directories with perms of 0777.
Most access issues beyond the setup of samba are related to windows' 
handling of the Workgroup/Domain junk...
The Workgroup/Domain name must be the same on every PC that you want to have 
access to the share.
Workgroup setups have less complications than Domain setups where samba is 
concerned...

That should fix it from the Linux/samba perspective.

Later,
Larry Irwin


[global]
workgroup = WORKGROUP
netbios name = ECCOFILESERVER
server string = %h server (Samba %v)
security = SHARE
obey pam restrictions = Yes
passdb backend = tdbsam
passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
passwd chat = *Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n 
*Retype\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* .

syslog = 0
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
max log size = 1000
name resolve order = wins bcast host lmhosts
socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
load printers = No
show add printer wizard = No
preferred master = Yes
dns proxy = No
wins support = Yes
panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d
invalid users = root

[SDRIVE]
path = /eccofiles/sdrive
guest ok = Yes
fileserver:/#

Here are my directory permissions

fileserver:/# ls -lar eccofiles/*
eccofiles/sdrive:
total 8
drwxrwxrwx 4 root root 4096 2006-07-26 12:53 ..
drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 2006-07-26 11:44 .

eccofiles/lost+found:
total 52
drwxrwxrwx 4 root root  4096 2006-07-26 12:53 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 49152 2006-07-25 18:58 .
fileserver:/# ls -lar eccofiles*
total 60
drwxrwxrwx  2 root root  4096 2006-07-26 11:44 sdrive
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 49152 2006-07-25 18:58 lost+found
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root  4096 2006-07-26 10:37 ..
drwxrwxrwx  4 root root  4096 2006-07-26 12:53 .
fileserver:/#



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Just one share that any and all my users can write / delete from it - samba wont hear of it

2006-07-26 Thread Brent Clark


Hi all

For the likes of me, I cant get samba to allow write access to a share.

I have a very basic setup.

Just one share that any and all my users can write / delete from it.

Here is a copy of my testparam output:
fileserver:/# testparm
Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
Processing section "[SDRIVE]"
Loaded services file OK.
WARNING: passdb expand explicit = yes is deprecated
Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE
Press enter to see a dump of your service definitions

[global]
workgroup = WORKGROUP
netbios name = ECCOFILESERVER
server string = %h server (Samba %v)
security = SHARE
obey pam restrictions = Yes
passdb backend = tdbsam
passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
passwd chat = *Enter\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n 
*Retype\snew\sUNIX\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* .
syslog = 0
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
max log size = 1000
name resolve order = wins bcast host lmhosts
socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
load printers = No
show add printer wizard = No
preferred master = Yes
dns proxy = No
wins support = Yes
panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d
invalid users = root

[SDRIVE]
path = /eccofiles/sdrive
guest ok = Yes
fileserver:/#

Here are my directory permissions

fileserver:/# ls -lar eccofiles/*
eccofiles/sdrive:
total 8
drwxrwxrwx 4 root root 4096 2006-07-26 12:53 ..
drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 2006-07-26 11:44 .

eccofiles/lost+found:
total 52
drwxrwxrwx 4 root root  4096 2006-07-26 12:53 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 49152 2006-07-25 18:58 .
fileserver:/# ls -lar eccofiles*
total 60
drwxrwxrwx  2 root root  4096 2006-07-26 11:44 sdrive
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 49152 2006-07-25 18:58 lost+found
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root  4096 2006-07-26 10:37 ..
drwxrwxrwx  4 root root  4096 2006-07-26 12:53 .
fileserver:/#

If anyone could assist, I would be most grateful.

Kind Regards
Brent Clark






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Re: Come Outside Programme


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