Re: netbooting problems

2007-01-31 Thread Heba Farouk
> Where have you put / and where does the initrd
> expect to find it? 

the / is on the root server under directory /netboot/.
here is a copy of my pxelinux.cfg file, which tells
where to find the /


default debian-sarge-3.1

label debian-sarge-3.1
kernel debian-sarge-3.1/vmlinuz
append initrd=debian-sarge-3.1/initrd.img
root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp NFSROOT=172.22.0.10:/netboot/
ETHERNET=eth0


thanks for ur reply

Yours 

Heba



 

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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 01/31/07 23:18, Danesh Daroui wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:54:01PM -0900, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
>>  
[snip]
> Maybe MySQL is not the best database engine in the world but it is one
> the best engines. I have worked on MySQL for several years and from four
> years ago I have started to develop my own database engine inspired by
> MySQL. During development of my own database engine (BromeliaSQL) I
> realized the magical techniques which have been used in MySQL which are
> unique. For example MySQL was (and maybe is) the only database engine
> which allows you to read and write to a table which has been indexed
> even by using B-Tree which is the most complex structure, at the same time.

ROTFLMAO.  You have *got* to be kidding.

*Every* RDBMS worth it's salt lets you concurrently access b-tree
indexes.

> About allowing corrupted data, it is not the responsibility of database
> engine to verify if the data is valid or not since the database engine
> only "Manages" data and not validate. Although, MySQL have a very very
> powerful library of functions to validate and generate and validate date
> and kind in any possible format.

What a single-user attitude.  Here's a nickel kid, go buy yourself
some VT220s.

It's always the app developer's responsibility to make sure that he
inserts clean data.

OTOH, any DBA worth his/her salt will *not* trust code monkeys to
find their arses with both hands, a map and flashlight.  Thus, we
put up our own defenses against incompetent boobs.

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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 06:18:03AM +0100, Danesh Daroui wrote:
> 
> Maybe MySQL is not the best database engine in the world but it is one 
> the best engines. I have worked on MySQL for several years and from four 
> years ago I have started to develop my own database engine inspired by 
> MySQL. During development of my own database engine (BromeliaSQL) I 
> realized the magical techniques which have been used in MySQL which are 
> unique. For example MySQL was (and maybe is) the only database engine 
> which allows you to read and write to a table which has been indexed 
> even by using B-Tree which is the most complex structure, at the same time.

That's nice.

> About allowing corrupted data, it is not the responsibility of database 
> engine to verify if the data is valid or not since the database engine 
> only "Manages" data and not validate. Although, MySQL have a very very 
> powerful library of functions to validate and generate and validate date 
> and kind in any possible format.
> 
I'm sorry, but this is pure crap.  There is no way that anyone can
convince me that inserting 2007-02-31 or even -00-00 into a column
of type DATE is even remotely permissible.  What fantasy land do people
live in where such dates are valid?

I simply don't buy that.  It is obvious that you do not work with
databases in a multiuser environment.  Imagine this.  You are running a
huge payment processing system.  There a number of client applications
which have been developed to interface to the database backend.  Now,
what happens when someone creates a client with a bug that tries to
insert payments dated February 31st?  MySQL says, OK, go for it.  What
about all the rest of the users who actually depend on the data to be
correct and consistent?

What about management, who expect to be able to generate meaningful
reports?  Think about it.  How meaningful is it to report on events that
could not have happened according to their dates?

I could go on.  Like I said, if you are running a phpBB or some dinky
little application where you don't care about your data and/or you don't
need true multiuser support, then MySQL works fine.  I still think it is
a bad idea to use it in those situations, but it will work.  What I
don't get is why people are so quick to stand up and defend MySQL even
though it has so many shortcomings.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 01/31/07 23:27, David E. Fox wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:22:21 +0200
> Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I thought Dexter's Laboratory would be more popular with members of
>> this list. From the recent stuff it's my favorite.
> 
> Naaa... South Park :)

/South Park/ and /Family Guy/ are funny in small doses.  Mostly,
they are just boorish.

/Futurama/ is *the* modern animated show.
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Re: Johnny Question

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:29:16PM -0500, Max Hyre wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 01/31/07 16:58, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >> Maybe, but we'll never see an American 'toon that'll top Johnny Quest.
> > 
> > I mentioned /JQ/ to my son the other night.  "What's /Johnny Quest/?"
> > 
> > We're so old.  And I'm too young to have watched JQ first runs.
> 
>When I was maybe 10, reading the entire science fiction
> section of my local library, I came a cross a book whose
> protagonist was Johnny Quest.  He was searching for his
> father, and it was involved, IIRC, with an underwater city.
> 
>Much later I became aware of _Johnny Quest_ the cartoon,
> and wondered whether it was the same.  Anyone know?

The wife says Johnny Quest the cartoon was about Johnny, his friend
Hadji, and Johnny's father in various adventures. She doesn't think it
is based on any books, but then she did read much at that stage... THe
underwater city thing doesn't ring a bell at all. Still, could be
based on the idea.

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Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-01-31 Thread David E. Fox
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:22:21 +0200
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I thought Dexter's Laboratory would be more popular with members of
> this list. From the recent stuff it's my favorite.

Naaa... South Park :)

> Andrei


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Re: Boot logs ?

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:31:01PM -0500, Frank McCormick wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:59:53 + (GMT)
> "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > > 
> > >So what am I running? - I installed Sarge, and picked the testing
> 
> This is my sources.list:
> 
> #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main
> 
> deb ftp://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
> deb-src ftp://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
> 

you are running testing which is currently synonymous with
'etch'. 'etch' is the name of the next stable release. 'etch' is
almost done with its testing phase and will be moving to stable
soon. If you like the system you have and want to stick with it,
change the non-security lines of sources.list: replace occurences of
'testing' with 'etch'. That way you'll stick with 'etch' as it moves
into stable. If you leave it like it is, you'll face a major package
churn in testing as etch moves out into stable. confusing I know.

> > 
> >   ii) IFF that points to Etch/testing, have you done a dist-upgrade?
> 
> It doesn't but I have done many update/dist-upgrades since the
> installation.

ah, but it does! right now etch and testing are the same thing. thats
why he wrote "Etch/testing".  The update/dist-upgrades ensure that you
have tracked etch/testing right along. 

> 
>Yup. I still have Ubuntu Dapper on another partition but since my
> switch to Debian I haven't booted it. But Debian is just different
> enough from Ubuntu that I feel a bit lost at times.
> 

welcome! You will soon learn what makes Ubuntu so great... its built
on Debian!!

oh, and you'll get comfortable in short order. The differences aren't
all that great.

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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Danesh Daroui

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:54:01PM -0900, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
  

In that same document, they give the reason for doing so:

"The reason for using the preceding rules in non-strict mode is that we can't 
check these conditions until the statement has begun executing. We can't just 
roll back if we encounter a problem after updating a few rows, because the 
storage engine may not support rollback. The option of terminating the 
statement is not that good; in this case, the update would be ???half done,??? 
which is probably the worst possible scenario. In this case, it's better 
to ???do the best you can??? and then continue as if nothing happened."




I'm sorry, but "our database can't always handle transactions" is not a
valid excuse for allowing bogus data.

  
And also provide a way (from 5.0.2 on) of enabling the "traditional" strict 
behavior.  So, with one config option, MySQL will now reject all invalid data 
(providing you're using transactional engines, for reasons described above).




Please read this:

http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=219722&cid=17824340

Now, tell me seriously that it is valid for any database to treat data
integrity as an *optional* feature.

  
As for your assertion that those who spec MySQL don't know what they're doing, 
I do believe the techs that work at MySQL are some pretty sharp cookies.  I 
think they know what they're doing, and I'm sure they know how to either 
enable the above config option, or check their data before it gets to their 
database.




So what?  Microsoft has some absolutely brilliant architects, engineers
and developers.  They are still polishing a turd.

  
All products have their gotchas.  One should be familiar with the product 
against which one is writing, or weird things will bite you down the road.




Boy, that's an understatement.

Regards,

-Roberto

  
Maybe MySQL is not the best database engine in the world but it is one 
the best engines. I have worked on MySQL for several years and from four 
years ago I have started to develop my own database engine inspired by 
MySQL. During development of my own database engine (BromeliaSQL) I 
realized the magical techniques which have been used in MySQL which are 
unique. For example MySQL was (and maybe is) the only database engine 
which allows you to read and write to a table which has been indexed 
even by using B-Tree which is the most complex structure, at the same time.
About allowing corrupted data, it is not the responsibility of database 
engine to verify if the data is valid or not since the database engine 
only "Manages" data and not validate. Although, MySQL have a very very 
powerful library of functions to validate and generate and validate date 
and kind in any possible format.


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Re: Debian, Iceweasle, Firefox!

2007-01-31 Thread David E. Fox
On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:44:05 -0500
Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How else are they going to fill up their 300GB hard drives if they can't 
> download nudie pics?

alt.binaries.movies.divx :)

> Hal


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Re: Free me from the pain of NFS!

2007-01-31 Thread Marty

Tyler MacDonald wrote:

Hello everybody,

I currently have several NFS mounts to share my media between my
PVR, my workstation, and my neighbour's workstation downstairs.

The problem is, a lot of the time the mounts are not loaded on boot
for some reason or another (eg; in the case of a power outage, all computers
come back up at the same time, but they don't all take the same amount of
time to boot... so one will try to mount the NFS shares before the other is
serving them, etc.)

Also, sometimes after one system reboots, the other system starts
complaining about "stale NFS filehandle"s and does not re-mount the
partition.

What I really want, is to be able to define shares in /etc/fstab,
and have the system keep trying to re-mount them if they ever become
unavailable... Is there any way to improve the reliability/availability of
NFS mounts? Or is there something else I should be using?

Thanks,
Tyler




Have you experimented with the hard, soft, intr and timeo options?  See the nfs 
and mount man pages for details.



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Re: thank you

2007-01-31 Thread Kent West
moggy wrote:
>
> firstly i'd like to say thanks to you who got back to me on this
> problem...
> the disk i have is a live knoppix disk that came with debian "sarge"
> which is as kent had suggested it was... i863 or somthing like that, i
> cant remember without looking... i did what was suggested with the
> resolution, but alas, all i got was a screen with some multi coloured
> lines running across the screen sometimes at a slant (much like the
> loading screen when the tape was loading up on an amstrad lol)
> i shall take a look at the read me file and see what that says, should
> have thought of that first, oops and will let you kind people know how
> i get on, or if im still stuck, again thanks for the info :-)
>
>
I don't recall what kind of machine or vidcard you have, but for a few
years there recently Dell was shipping BIOSes that only allocated 1MB
RAM to the integrated video system. If you have an integrated video
system, you might jump into the computer's BIOS and see if there's any
tweaking you can do there.

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got it!!!

2007-01-31 Thread moggy


i finaly managed to get it sorted, it was a command line at the boot screen on 
f2 or f3 which was fb1024x768, so i guess that gives it a lower resolution that 
way... well im going to have a play now, look forward to hearing from you guys, 
and im sure i'll be in here lots screaming help, lol, take care, and thanks 
again:-)
one happy Mog!


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Re: best log checker

2007-01-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 02:55:12AM +, s. keeling wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  I'm trying to find a good log checker.
> > 
> >  Basically, I want it to report anything that I don't tell it to ignore.
> 
> Well, there's always a shell script that looks for date --yesterday
> (nonportable), then grep -v 'string1|string2|...'  Don't laugh.  It's
> what I used before logcheck.
> 
> >  I've tried logcheck first and when I couldn't get it to do what I want I
> >  tried logwatch.  It has an ignore file that it says to just cut and
> 
> It does?  Mine (sarge/stable) has ignore directories:
> 
> drwxr-s---2 root logcheck 1024 Oct 23 20:37 ignore.d.paranoid/
> drwxr-s---2 root logcheck 2048 Aug 12 19:57 ignore.d.server/
> drwxr-s---2 root logcheck 1024 Aug 12 19:57 ignore.d.workstation/
> 
> and the one it uses is defined in logcheck.conf.  I was getting really
> annoyed at seeing dumb stuff about gconfd, then I noticed I was using
> "server" instead of "workstation".  The ignore.d.workstation includes
> a file "gconf", which lists exactly the junk I don't care about.  Doh.
> 
> Of course, a server shouldn't be running insecure stuff like X.
> 
> >  paste what you want to ignore.  I do that and it doesn't ignore it.
> >  Some docs mention that its all based on regular expressions so I tried
> >  enclosing the lines in quotes to no avial.
> 
> Here's a typical useless message (for me):
> 
>   Oct  9 16:54:42 heretic gconfd (keeling-4010): Resolved address
>"xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only
>configuration source at
>position 0
> 
> Here's an entry from gconf:
> 
>   ^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ gconfd 
>\([._[:alnum:]-]+-[0-9]+\): Resolved address "[^[:space:]]+"
>to a read-only configuration source at position [^[:space:]]+$
> 
> That says:
> 
>- at the start of the line ("^")
> 
>- three non-whitespace chars ("Oct")
> 
>- a space
> 
>- the set of space, colon, zero through nine (eleven chars total),
>  then a space, then the set of period, underscore, alpha-numeric,
>  or dash/hyphen (more than zero of them "+")
> 
>- a space
> 
>- the string "gconfd"
> 
>- ...
> 
> >  I _like_ most of what logwatch does, like telling me how many times a
> >  login happened, especially failed ones.  I just don't like to have to
> >  pour through all the bootup lines every day.
> 
> Don't shutdown?  Yeah, I know.

Its a workstation.  I turn off most of the power at night.  

Your exaple is logcheck, which I agree relies on RE, whereas I gave up
on that because of that and tried logwatch which has an ignore file.

I _wish_ that logwatch or logcheck came out-of-the-box able to ignore
ingnorable stuff on a stock debian workstation.  

RE has always looked to me like a squirrl has been having lunch on the
keyboard.

Why doesn't someone make a companion interactive rule maker?  Run it in
the foreground and have it give you each line it would normally report
and you say yae or nay.  From that it could make RE rules.

Doug.


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Re: Etch is REALLY fast! :-)

2007-01-31 Thread Dave Witbrodt

Gustavo Franco wrote:

(...)
   Since Etch is nearly ready to be released, I decided that my best
bet was to keep the new kernel and replace everything else!  ;-)  I
chose to dist-upgrade to Etch.
   I've been using Etch now since Sunday night, and everything is
working really smooth.  Everything seems a lot faster, too.  No doubt
some of that is due to the improved video card, but boot time is
faster and everything I do when working without X also seems faster.


Hi Dave,

You feedback is really appreciated. Btw, if you want to install the
same set of packages as the default (GNOME) desktop environment, i
recommend you: aptitude update && aptitude install desktop
gnome-desktop (there are xfce-desktop and kde-desktop too). Keep in
mind that desktop and gnome-desktop aren't metapackages but tasks (as
in tasksel). In other words, d-i uses tasksel to install set of
packages and not metapackages or a 'hardcoded into d-i' list of
packages.


  Well, it's much too late for me to be able to follow this advice. 
In fact, I carried out my upgrade to Etch in a bizarre sort of way:


1.  The 'apt' tools were so easy to use when I first started learning 
about Debian that I just installed tons of packages that I either only 
looked at once or never used at all.


2.  Selecting "desktop system" when I first installed caused both 
Gnome and KDE to get installed, but I ended up preferring Gnome and 
wanted to remove as much of K as possible.


3.  I read the _Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible_ and a lot of Martin 
Krafft's _The Debian System_ during 2006, as part of my long-term 
project to learn how Linux (Debian in particular) works under the 
hood, ramping up to develop my own software (or maybe become a DD in 
the future).


  This combination of factors led me to modify 'sources.list' and 
'apt.conf' to point to Etch, then run 'aptitude' -- with which I was 
able to pick over my entire Debian system one package at a time, 
watching the effects of upgrading one important package, removing 
unwanted cruft, seeing the list of "broken" packages jump to nearly 
100, then counting down to zero as I continued to mark stuff for 
upgrades (or purges).  It took hours and hours... I was reading masses 
of documentation as I discovered new and interesting things about what 
really goes on inside a Debian OS.
  In the end, I realized that the process that took me about 9 hours 
could have been carried out automatically by


  aptitude update
  aptitude dist-upgrade

in about 40 minutes -- for it took only 25 minutes to download 663MB 
of packages and 15 minutes for the debconf questions and setups -- but 
I would not have learned nearly as much, and would have not felt 
nearly as satisfied!  ;-)


  I thought it was particularly hilarious that I had to recompile my 
entire kernel, whereas my original decision to upgrade to Etch was 
intended to allow me to preserve it.  Sarge runs XFree86, but my new 
video card required a new driver blob and kernel module.  The Etch 
upgrade, of course, installed XOrg and the module I had compiled for 
Sarge was targetting XFree86.  I thought I could just compile a new 
kernel module, but then realized that I had just installed a new 
version of 'gcc'.  I got "gcc version 4.1.2 ..." when I ran 'gcc -v', 
but I had compiled my kernel with gcc 3.3.5.
  So, I had a fresh '.config' file to use, and just recompiled the 
whole kernel along with the ATI module -- it only took about 15 
minutes.  Later, I realized that there is also a 'gcc-3.3' package on 
my system, and probably could have just compiled the ATI module alone 
after all.  (Sometimes ya gotta learn the hard way!)




I've a question on behalf of the Debian Ombudsman Team:
- Is there any current issue you would like to see solved into our
post-etch release (Lenny) ?


  Well, I have been pretty busy since upgrading on Sunday.  I'm more 
familiar with peeves I had with Sarge, such as:


  - 'fam' often refusing to let me unmount my USB drives until
I ran '/etc/init.d/fam restart'.

  - 'gdm' going postal if I tried to log in more than once -- solved
by adding "AlwaysRestartServer=true" in 'gdm.conf'.  (I guessed
this had to do with the proprietary ATI driver, though.)

  - the font called "Cursor" causing much of Gnome to go apopleptic
if you tried to use it.

I haven't had time to put Etch through the ringer since upgraded on 
Sunday.
  Your question seems sort of open-ended.  Did you mean to narrow the 
range of "issues" at all, or are you inviting comments, criticisms, 
and gripes in the broadest possible sense?


  BTW, the constructive criticism from Wim de Smet is a good one.  I 
noticed that myself, about 'info' giving manpages instead, but I 
either assumed I was doing something wrong or that the documentation 
was out of date.  Reading the bug page for #139569 makes, 
unfortunately, for hilarious reading.  It's like a cat chasing its own 
tail... imagine the Debian swirl!



Dave W.


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Re: best log checker

2007-01-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:21:37PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:47:20PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > 
> > I do neither perl nor RE: they're both too cryptic.  I guess I'll never
> > be a true *N*X weenie.
> > 
> So, you want to be able to parse logs and yet don't want to learn the
> most powerful regex syntax for that?  Do you know that the original
> purpose of Perl was log file parsing?  If I were you, I'd invest in an
> O'Reilly book and spend a few days learning Perl RE syntax.
> 

My python script took an ignore file, lines of strings to ignore.

It took the log file and for each line in the log file, checked for the
ignore strings.  If it didn't find any it included the log line in the
report.

Like I said, brute force.  Hardly elegant but it worked.

I could use RE in python but its still goblygook.  I've tried on several
occasions to learn both RE and perl with no lasting results.  Ditt C.
Give me python and Fortran77.

Doug.


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Re: Default firewall in etch

2007-01-31 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:49:01PM -0500, Marc D Ronell wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What is Etch using as its default firewall?  How do I change that
> firewall's settings?
> 
> I am seeking a pointer to the right manual.
> 
More than likely, you have only iptables installed.  Your best bet is to
use shorewall, which is extremely well documented.

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Re: Fonts problem on Debian Etch

2007-01-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:55:08PM -0500, David Shultz wrote:
> First of all a little bit of development. I changed the vertical
> refresh rate(on Gnome) from 50 to 57 Hz. And what you know now
> it is a lot better but not 100%. Now i'm using 1680x1050
> resolution but LG's recommended resolution is 60 Hz. Is it
> possible to change vertical refresh rate to 60Hz system wide?
> 
> >When you configured Xorg did you tell it to do sub-pixel
> >rendering on your LCD screen?  I've never used an LCD so
> >don't know what this looks like).
> 
> actually i don't know how i answered that(sorry i'm a newbie)
> 
> >What is the native resolution of the screen itself and what
> >is the resolution you're trying to use in Xorg?
> 
> My monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050 and i'm using that.

I'd get a headache too if I was at 57 Hz.  I'm at 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz.

Perhaps someone who uses an LCD can comment on how to tell if sub-pixel
rendering is active.

I don't run gnome so didn't know you could change the refresh rate from
that.  With my 21" CRT, I told dpkg-reconfigure to use 1600x1200 and
gave the monitor parameters from Intergraph's website.

The other piece of the puzzle is what graphics hardware do you have and
what driver are you using?  I have nVidia hardware and static image
quality is the same between the free nv driver and the non-free nVidia
driver (but nVidia driver gives hardware decoding for watching movies).
The vesa driver gives much worse performance.

If you don't know for sure which driver you need, ensure that you have
the xserver-xorg-video-all package installed.

You probably also want the other recommends of xserver-xorg:
discover and xresprobe

Good luck.

Doug.


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Re: does apt-setup exist?

2007-01-31 Thread Marcus Blumhagen
On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 06:43:03PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> I was wanting to use it to add a mirror site to the apt sources.lst 
> file.

As already stated you might be better off just using your favourite
text editor and add the mirror by hand. You can look at the already
existing entries to see how it works. Anyway most sites offering
Debian repositories also show you the line to add to your
/etc/apt/sources.list.

It is done in nearly no time when using the good old
copy-paste-method.


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thank you

2007-01-31 Thread moggy


firstly i'd like to say thanks to you who got back to me on this problem...
the disk i have is a live knoppix disk that came with debian "sarge" which is 
as kent had suggested it was... i863 or somthing like that, i cant remember without 
looking... i did what was suggested with the resolution, but alas, all i got was a screen 
with some multi coloured lines running across the screen sometimes at a slant (much like 
the loading screen when the tape was loading up on an amstrad lol)
i shall take a look at the read me file and see what that says, should have 
thought of that first, oops and will let you kind people know how i get on, or 
if im still stuck, again thanks for the info :-)


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Default firewall in etch

2007-01-31 Thread Marc D Ronell

Hi,

What is Etch using as its default firewall?  How do I change that
firewall's settings?

I am seeking a pointer to the right manual.

Thanks,

marc

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Re: does apt-setup exist?

2007-01-31 Thread Marcus Blumhagen
On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 08:10:15PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> Or was at least. base-config seems to have been made obsolete.

Is there somewhere a hint stating it's obsolete? In etch it still
exists, but since it is not essential you might have removed it and
hence don't find the executable.

Or did I miss something. At least "apt-cache show base-config" shows:

"Description: Debian base system configurator
 This package handles setting up the Debian base system. It contains the
 configuration program you see when you install Debian for the first time
 and boot up your new Debian system.
 .
 It can be removed with no ill effects -- once your Debian system is
 installed, this package's only useful function is to allow you to
 reconfigure some things."

No hint on obsoleteness.


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Re: Outlook clients and Linux Debian

2007-01-31 Thread SAJChurchey
Well,

You might not need full groupware, but they're modular at least and
can handle authentication in many different ways. If you can't find
the functionality elsewhere in debian, you can install only the
modules you need to get it working. I guess a web frontend might also
be overkill, but at least you're users could potentially use them from
anywhere.

Thanks, I'll run that search and see what other options are out there.
Currently we don't use Outlook, and there's no pressure to move to it;
so I'm not really concerned with compatibility with it. I'd rather
work with open standards like iCalendar to keep my options open, but
that's just me.

SAJ


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Re: Bad install experience using Jigdo ISOs

2007-01-31 Thread Marcus Blumhagen
Hi Justin,

You might want to send an installation report:

http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/report-template

So the developers get to know about your experience. Also your
suggestions should be included.

Until eventual changes happen you can check the integrity of the iso
respectivly the files yourself. On a linux box my commands to do so
look like this:

# mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso /mnt
$ cd /mnt
$ md5sum --warn --status --check md5sum.txt && echo SUCCESS!


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Re: best log checker

2007-01-31 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:47:20PM -0500, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> 
> I do neither perl nor RE: they're both too cryptic.  I guess I'll never
> be a true *N*X weenie.
> 
So, you want to be able to parse logs and yet don't want to learn the
most powerful regex syntax for that?  Do you know that the original
purpose of Perl was log file parsing?  If I were you, I'd invest in an
O'Reilly book and spend a few days learning Perl RE syntax.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:54:01PM -0900, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
> 
> In that same document, they give the reason for doing so:
> 
> "The reason for using the preceding rules in non-strict mode is that we can't 
> check these conditions until the statement has begun executing. We can't just 
> roll back if we encounter a problem after updating a few rows, because the 
> storage engine may not support rollback. The option of terminating the 
> statement is not that good; in this case, the update would be ???half 
> done,??? 
> which is probably the worst possible scenario. In this case, it's better 
> to ???do the best you can??? and then continue as if nothing happened."
> 
I'm sorry, but "our database can't always handle transactions" is not a
valid excuse for allowing bogus data.

> And also provide a way (from 5.0.2 on) of enabling the "traditional" strict 
> behavior.  So, with one config option, MySQL will now reject all invalid data 
> (providing you're using transactional engines, for reasons described above).
> 
Please read this:

http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=219722&cid=17824340

Now, tell me seriously that it is valid for any database to treat data
integrity as an *optional* feature.

> As for your assertion that those who spec MySQL don't know what they're 
> doing, 
> I do believe the techs that work at MySQL are some pretty sharp cookies.  I 
> think they know what they're doing, and I'm sure they know how to either 
> enable the above config option, or check their data before it gets to their 
> database.
> 
So what?  Microsoft has some absolutely brilliant architects, engineers
and developers.  They are still polishing a turd.

> All products have their gotchas.  One should be familiar with the product 
> against which one is writing, or weird things will bite you down the road.
> 
Boy, that's an understatement.

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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 01:50:14PM -0900, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:19, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > > How do I get started here?
> >
> > First.  Please do not use MySQL, unless you don't care about your data.
> 
> Please stop this MySQL vs. PostgreSQL bashing.  Each has their place.  If 

I am not bashing.  MySQL's place is places where people don't care about
their data.  Full stop.  End of story.

> users of MySQL don't care about their data, then I guess Bayer, Colgate, 
> Ensembl Genome Browser, Genome Sciences Center (GSC), The Institute for 
> Genomic Research, AIRBUS/EADS, Australian Department of Defence, Los Alamos 
> National Laboratory, Ministère de la Defense (France), CraigsList, Google, 
> iStockphoto, PriceGrabber, Ticketmaster, Yahoo!, CERN - The ATLAS Experiment 
> at LHC, Bank of Canada, Lloyds TSB Bank, Linden Lab (Second Life), California 
> Air Review Board, Department of Homeland Security, NASA, NASA Jet Propulsion 
> Lab (JPL), DaimlerChrysler, Epson, Chicago Sun-Times, Slashdot, Dell, 
> Hewlett-Packard, Novell, Siemens, Sun Microsystems, Symantec, Texas 
> Instruments, AT&T Wireless, Cable & Wireless, Cisco Systems, Nokia, Lufthansa 
> Systems, Orbitz, 37signals, del.icio.us, Digg, Facebook, Feedburner, 
> Feedster, Flickr, Freshmeat.net, Technorati, Wikipedia, and YouTube (among 
> many others, see http://www.mysql.com/customers/ ) don't care about their 
> data.  These are companies that live and die by their data, I'm sure they 
> care about it very much.  Each has their place.  MySQL has come a long way 
> since its 3.23 days.  Read the manual.  Form your own opinions.  A lot has 
> changed.
> 
Umm.  Maybe they all use MySQL as the backend for phpBB or something
like that.  I would like to see proof that some bank (since you list a
few) is actually using MySQL as the backend for a *real* core system of
theirs.  Hint: you won't find one.  Just because LANL, NASA and some
banks bought some MySQL licenses doesn't mean that they are using it to
host their mission critical data.  The US Army, Air Force, Navy and
Marines buy plenty of Dodge Stratus and similar vehicles.  That does not
make them suitable substitutes for tanks, airplanes or ships.

As I said before, MySQL has its place where you don't care about your
data.

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Re: Etch is REALLY fast! :-)

2007-01-31 Thread Dave Witbrodt

andy wrote:

Dave Witbrodt wrote:

Hi all,

  I ran into problems with Gnome automounting CDs and USB flash drives 
over the weekend.  I have been sticking with Sarge, and I had been 
using a backports kernel (2.6.15) that I custom compiled back in 
February, but when I bought a new video card recently I found that I 
had to compile a new kernel module to get 3D working properly.  At 
that point, I decided that I might as well grab the latest kernel 
sources and upgrade the entire kernel (to 2.6.18).
  Unfortunately, 'hal' stopped working, and that broke 'gnome-volume- 
manager'.  I saw that backports had an upgrade for 'udev', and I 
installed that hoping for a quick fix.  The backports 'udev' 
conflicted with 'hal' and 'hotplug', and I found myself facing a big 
decision.


  Since Etch is nearly ready to be released, I decided that my best 
bet was to keep the new kernel and replace everything else!  ;-)  I 
chose to dist-upgrade to Etch.
  I've been using Etch now since Sunday night, and everything is 
working really smooth.  Everything seems a lot faster, too.  No doubt 
some of that is due to the improved video card, but boot time is 
faster and everything I do when working without X also seems faster.


  I would like to thank the developers who are busting their buns to 
get Etch ready for release!  Can anyone suggest other Debian mailing 
lists I can post my thanks to, so that the greatest possible number of 
developers will see it?  (I realize that "thanks" is just noise, and 
not productive, but everyone wants to hear that their hard work is 
appreciated!)



Dave W.



Dave

As a matter of interest, can you describe what happened when you say 
that you ran into problems with Gnome's automounting CDs and flash 
drives. Did your system freeze up, or was it some other problem?


Cheers

Andy


  No crashes, slow-downs, or other Windows-like behavior.  I simply 
realized that inserting a CD or a USB flash drive no longer resulted 
in Gnome giving me a desktop icon.
  As mentioned above (see 2nd paragraph in OP) the root cause was 
'hal' failing to run, which broke 'gnome-volume-manager' (and 'gnome- 
volume-properties').
  I had been running stock Debian kernels (2.6.8) until Feb. 2006, 
when I made my first custom kernel (2.6.15; source from 
backports.org).  Sarge continued to run good with that kernel, but I 
decided to compile a new kernel (2.6.18) this month, on the occasion 
of having to compile 3D support for a new ATI video card.  That kernel 
broke 'hal' apparently, but I didn't realize it until I noticed that 
Gnome automounting wasn't working.
  My first stop on the debugging pilgrimage was '.xsessions-errors', 
where I found a one-liner about 'gnome-volume-manager' failing to load 
because 'hal' wasn't running.
  My next stop was 'dmesg', where I confirmed that 'hal' was failing 
to run at startup.  I then realized that my new kernel had broken 
things, but immediately concluded that it was my own fault for 
straying too far from the officially supported set of internal organs 
for Sarge.
  I believe that I made a quick look for backports of 'hal' and/or 
'hotplug' and didn't see any.  (Or maybe that is a false memory, and I 
made no such check.)  However that may be, I _did_ find a backport of 
'udev', and wondered (or desperately hoped) that it might make a quick 
fix of the situation.  Instead, the 'udev' from backports somehow 
conflicted (according to 'aptitude') with 'hal' and 'hotplug'.  (I 
found this bizarre, since a quick look at


  http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/hal

showed that Etch's 'hal' still depends on 'udev', not conflicting at all!)

  So, I dist-upgraded to Etch... and lived happily ever after!  (So far.)


DW


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Re: best log checker

2007-01-31 Thread s. keeling
Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  I'm trying to find a good log checker.
> 
>  Basically, I want it to report anything that I don't tell it to ignore.

Well, there's always a shell script that looks for date --yesterday
(nonportable), then grep -v 'string1|string2|...'  Don't laugh.  It's
what I used before logcheck.

>  I've tried logcheck first and when I couldn't get it to do what I want I
>  tried logwatch.  It has an ignore file that it says to just cut and

It does?  Mine (sarge/stable) has ignore directories:

drwxr-s---2 root logcheck 1024 Oct 23 20:37 ignore.d.paranoid/
drwxr-s---2 root logcheck 2048 Aug 12 19:57 ignore.d.server/
drwxr-s---2 root logcheck 1024 Aug 12 19:57 ignore.d.workstation/

and the one it uses is defined in logcheck.conf.  I was getting really
annoyed at seeing dumb stuff about gconfd, then I noticed I was using
"server" instead of "workstation".  The ignore.d.workstation includes
a file "gconf", which lists exactly the junk I don't care about.  Doh.

Of course, a server shouldn't be running insecure stuff like X.

>  paste what you want to ignore.  I do that and it doesn't ignore it.
>  Some docs mention that its all based on regular expressions so I tried
>  enclosing the lines in quotes to no avial.

Here's a typical useless message (for me):

  Oct  9 16:54:42 heretic gconfd (keeling-4010): Resolved address
   "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only
   configuration source at
   position 0

Here's an entry from gconf:

  ^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ gconfd 
   \([._[:alnum:]-]+-[0-9]+\): Resolved address "[^[:space:]]+"
   to a read-only configuration source at position [^[:space:]]+$

That says:

   - at the start of the line ("^")

   - three non-whitespace chars ("Oct")

   - a space

   - the set of space, colon, zero through nine (eleven chars total),
 then a space, then the set of period, underscore, alpha-numeric,
 or dash/hyphen (more than zero of them "+")

   - a space

   - the string "gconfd"

   - ...

>  I _like_ most of what logwatch does, like telling me how many times a
>  login happened, especially failed ones.  I just don't like to have to
>  pour through all the bootup lines every day.

Don't shutdown?  Yeah, I know.


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Re: totem, vlc

2007-01-31 Thread Marcus Blumhagen
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 12:39:07PM +0100, Gerard Robin wrote:
> It works fine now :-) 
> but apt-get update complains about security: public key not available ?

You can get all the information you need here:

http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html

Question is if you trust the key ;) But you will get rid of those
complaints by apt-get.

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Re: Fonts problem on Debian Etch

2007-01-31 Thread David Shultz

First of all a little bit of development. I changed the vertical
refresh rate(on Gnome) from 50 to 57 Hz. And what you know now
it is a lot better but not 100%. Now i'm using 1680x1050
resolution but LG's recommended resolution is 60 Hz. Is it
possible to change vertical refresh rate to 60Hz system wide?


When you configured Xorg did you tell it to do sub-pixel
rendering on your LCD screen?  I've never used an LCD so
don't know what this looks like).


actually i don't know how i answered that(sorry i'm a newbie)


What is the native resolution of the screen itself and what
is the resolution you're trying to use in Xorg?


My monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050 and i'm using that.


Re: Johnny Question

2007-01-31 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 21:34, Max Hyre wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > Was his father kidnapped by an Ice Weasel?
>
>Nah, the water was liquid.

So it was a Sea Monkey?

(Just trying to bring it back on topic!)

Hal


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Re: Johnny Question

2007-01-31 Thread Max Hyre
Hal Vaughan wrote:

> Was his father kidnapped by an Ice Weasel?

   Nah, the water was liquid.

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Re: Can't post to list with mutt/exim4?!

2007-01-31 Thread Marcus Blumhagen
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:02:47AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> I went the headers-rewrite route with exim/mutt for a while and just
> go myself into more trouble. IIRC, the thing to do is set all your
> headers and envelope headers in mutt and then allow
> local_sender_retain and put yourself in trusted_users
> 
> local_sender_retain = true
> trusted_users = 

Thanks for the hint, I'll try that setup. But as I am really lazy and
have only one mail address anyway it was easier than entering the
proper address in. Didn't bother to change muttrc. Also the time I
needed it I found it hard to get caff running without the need to
rewrite headers.

> There will still be evidence of the local machine

One can remove those to. For me it is sufficient to use

headers_remove = Message-ID:Received

Couldn't see any evidence of the local machine in my test mails'
headers.


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Re: Boot logs ?

2007-01-31 Thread Frank McCormick
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:59:53 + (GMT)
"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:37:35 + (GMT)
> >  "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > 
> > > > Does Debian (Sarge testing) save COMPLETE boot logs
> > > > anywhere?
> > > 
> > > fwiw, Sarge is stable, Etch is testing.  Next testing (after Etch
> > > goes
> > 
> >So what am I running? - I installed Sarge, and picked the testing
> 
>i) What's in /etc/apt/sources.list?

This is my sources.list:

#deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main

deb ftp://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
deb-src ftp://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ testing main non-free contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free




> 
>   ii) IFF that points to Etch/testing, have you done a dist-upgrade?



It doesn't but I have done many update/dist-upgrades since the
installation.

> 
> >  repository. Am I now on Etch? Not that it matters to me. As you
> > can see
> 
> It matters for security updates, as far as I know.  This may have
> changed.
> 
> >  I am new to Debian although I have been running its derivative
> > Ubuntu.
> 
> But now you're on stock Debian, not Ubuntu, yes?



   Yup. I still have Ubuntu Dapper on another partition but since my
switch to Debian I haven't booted it. But Debian is just different
enough from Ubuntu that I feel a bit lost at times.


Cheers 

Frank
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Re: Fonts problem on Debian Etch

2007-01-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:57:22PM -0500, David Shultz wrote:
> >If Xorg:
> >   is it only the fonts?
> 
> Sorry I gave wrong info. It's also the image. It really hurts my
> eyes.

Well at least you know its not a fonts problem.

When you configured Xorg did you tell it to do sub-pixel rendering on
your LCD screen?  I've never used an LCD so don't know what this looks
like).  

What happens if you Ctrl-Alt-KP+/- to change screen resolution?  

What is the native resolution of the screen itself and what is
the resolution you're trying to use in Xorg?

Doug.


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Re: Outlook clients and Linux Debian

2007-01-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 05:22:15PM -0800, SAJChurchey wrote:
> I'm also looking for a solution similar to this. Right now, I'm trying
> out eGroupWare. I'm not sure what support is in Debian for this, but
> according to the eGroupWare site, they have been working on this
> functionality, although the outdated references I've seen to iCalSrv
> (or something like that) says it's experimental and not for production
 
> If there are any debian packages that can handle this, I'd be very
> interested to know, but I haven't found anything in the stable tree so
> far. There are many web-based calendaring apps (like webcalendar and
> egroupware), but I'm not sure if they they can sync w/ a desktop
> client.
> 

I don't need group ware but I'm running Etch.  I just searched aptitude
(~dgroupware) and there seem to be quite a few different suites, some of
which can interoperate with MS stuff.

Doug.


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Re: Johnny Question

2007-01-31 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 20:29, Max Hyre wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 01/31/07 16:58, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> >> Maybe, but we'll never see an American 'toon that'll top Johnny
> >> Quest.
> >
> > I mentioned /JQ/ to my son the other night.  "What's /Johnny
> > Quest/?"
> >
> > We're so old.  And I'm too young to have watched JQ first runs.
>
>When I was maybe 10, reading the entire science fiction
> section of my local library, I came a cross a book whose
> protagonist was Johnny Quest.  He was searching for his
> father, and it was involved, IIRC, with an underwater city.
>
>Much later I became aware of _Johnny Quest_ the cartoon,
> and wondered whether it was the same.  Anyone know?

Was his father kidnapped by an Ice Weasel?

Hal


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Re: Boot logs ?

2007-01-31 Thread s. keeling
Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:37:35 + (GMT)
>  "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > 
> > > Does Debian (Sarge testing) save COMPLETE boot logs anywhere?
> > 
> > fwiw, Sarge is stable, Etch is testing.  Next testing (after Etch goes
> 
>So what am I running? - I installed Sarge, and picked the testing

   i) What's in /etc/apt/sources.list?

  ii) IFF that points to Etch/testing, have you done a dist-upgrade?

>  repository. Am I now on Etch? Not that it matters to me. As you can see

It matters for security updates, as far as I know.  This may have
changed.

>  I am new to Debian although I have been running its derivative Ubuntu.

But now you're on stock Debian, not Ubuntu, yes?


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Re: Fonts problem on Debian Etch

2007-01-31 Thread David Shultz

If Xorg:
   is it only the fonts?


Sorry I gave wrong info. It's also the image. It really hurts my
eyes.


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Re: Outlook clients and Linux Debian

2007-01-31 Thread SAJChurchey
I'm also looking for a solution similar to this. Right now, I'm trying
out eGroupWare. I'm not sure what support is in Debian for this, but
according to the eGroupWare site, they have been working on this
functionality, although the outdated references I've seen to iCalSrv
(or something like that) says it's experimental and not for production
use. I'll let you know after I explore eGroupWare a little.

Otherwise, I THINK that Outlooks depends on M$ Exchange Server for
this functionality and doesn't depend on any open standards (like
iCal) to accomplish this, and I've not heard of a package that
emulated this. I'm not sure about iCal support in Outlook either.

We're trying to use something like Lightning or Sunbird as a calendar
app, and they use iCal and can use WebDAV. I've considered setting up
WebDAV directories in Apache and seeing if I can set up a makeshift
calendar system this way, but I'm sure it would have it's limitations
in the sharing department.

If there are any debian packages that can handle this, I'd be very
interested to know, but I haven't found anything in the stable tree so
far. There are many web-based calendaring apps (like webcalendar and
egroupware), but I'm not sure if they they can sync w/ a desktop
client.

Offhand, I've heard that Sun has a java-based calendar server
available in Java. I'm sure I could find some GPL software out there
to do this, but it's easier to manage servers and updates if there are
supported packages in the debian repos.


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Re: Fonts problem on Debian Etch

2007-01-31 Thread David Shultz

Is this console screen or Xorg?


It's Xorg


LCD or CRT?


LCD LG's L204WT model


is it only the fonts?


Yes.


What window manager or desktop environment?


Gnome


All apps or just some?


Wherever the fonts are displayed.


What happens if you change the fonts, toggle
anti-aliasing, toggle hinting (as available).


I tried that but no luck. I even turned on
nvidia's antialiasing but still have the same
problem.


best log checker

2007-01-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
I'm trying to find a good log checker.

Basically, I want it to report anything that I don't tell it to ignore.

I've tried logcheck first and when I couldn't get it to do what I want I
tried logwatch.  It has an ignore file that it says to just cut and
paste what you want to ignore.  I do that and it doesn't ignore it.
Some docs mention that its all based on regular expressions so I tried
enclosing the lines in quotes to no avial.

I do neither perl nor RE: they're both too cryptic.  I guess I'll never
be a true *N*X weenie.

I _like_ most of what logwatch does, like telling me how many times a
login happened, especially failed ones.  I just don't like to have to
pour through all the bootup lines every day.

If I don't find anything else, I'll disable this portion of logwatch and
go back to my brute-force python script for parsing syslog.

I'm running Etch amd64 on an Athlon.  

What do others use?

Thanks,

Doug.


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Johnny Question

2007-01-31 Thread Max Hyre
Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 01/31/07 16:58, Hal Vaughan wrote:
>> Maybe, but we'll never see an American 'toon that'll top Johnny Quest.
> 
> I mentioned /JQ/ to my son the other night.  "What's /Johnny Quest/?"
> 
> We're so old.  And I'm too young to have watched JQ first runs.

   When I was maybe 10, reading the entire science fiction
section of my local library, I came a cross a book whose
protagonist was Johnny Quest.  He was searching for his
father, and it was involved, IIRC, with an underwater city.

   Much later I became aware of _Johnny Quest_ the cartoon,
and wondered whether it was the same.  Anyone know?


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Re: eGroupWare does not recognize PEAR on Etch

2007-01-31 Thread SAJChurchey
I will try these and get back to this thread. That was just a typo, I
wasn't actually copying it from the terminal. The statement is the
same as you've recommended. This line was included in the default
config for eGroupWare. That's why I'm not understanding why it cannot
find PEAR.


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>
> > Hello,
>
> Hi,
>
> > I'm trying to install egroupware on etch but an having problems.
>
>  Edit your apache site configuration file for eGroupware (must be
> under /etc/apache2/sites-availaible/) and under the 
> section, add the line 'php_value include_path .:/usr/share/php/'
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Re: Fonts problem on Debian Etch

2007-01-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:00:42PM -0500, David Shultz wrote:
> I've installed debian etch(daily built). And i gotta say
> it's impressive. Now i have a problem. The problem is
> related to the display of fonts on screen. Fonts that
> are displayed on screen are partly blurry and partly ok.
> Even the cursor is like that. Is it possible to fix this?
> 

Is this console screen or Xorg?

LCD or CRT?
Sub-pixel rendering?

If Xorg: 
is it only the fonts?

What window manager or desktop environment?

All apps or just some?

What happens if you change the fonts, toggle anti-aliasing,
toggle hinting (as available).


Doug.


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Re: mailx

2007-01-31 Thread Henrik Enberg
Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi everyone, I have configured exim4 and is using the Maildir format
> to deliver messages.  Problem is, I can't get the simple mail (mailx)
> application to see this Maildir format?

Install the GNU version of mailx.  It's in the `mailutils' package.


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Re: How to prevent the console from going black ?

2007-01-31 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:14:35AM +0100, Andre Majorel wrote:
> Is there a kernel boot parameter or /proc magic to disable the VGA
> console blanking ? (Equivalent of TIOCLINUX subcode 10 value 0 on
> all VT.)

Look at /etc/console-tools/config.
# screen blanking timeout.  monitor remains on, but the screen is
# cleared to range: 0-60 min (0==never)  kernels I've looked at default
# to 10 minutes. (see linux/drivers/char/console.c)
BLANK_TIME=10

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Debian Ombudsman Team (was Re: Etch is REALLY fast! :-)

2007-01-31 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 11:34:14PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> I've a question on behalf of the Debian Ombudsman Team:
> - Is there any current issue you would like to see solved into our
> post-etch release (Lenny) ?
> 
> FYI, we will open a ombudsman account soon to be the voice of the
> community into the project and work on some more interesting stuff.
> We've just started setting up stuff into alioth.debian.org.

Could you post a link for further info, after you have it set up.
Is this going to be official?

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Re: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?

2007-01-31 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:31:30PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 06:06:05PM -0500, Matt Price wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > My girlfriend is buying a new computer a month or two from now and I'm
> > hoping to convince her to let me install ubuntu feisty on it, and set up
> > a windows VM using the new KVM module and rdesktop.  The idea of the VM
> > is to let her use software she feels she 'really needs' -- right now,
> > this is MS Office, endnote and Dreamweaver (I'd like to make all 3
> > disappear, but that's another, longer-term project).  
> > 
> If those are the only programs she really "needs" from MS-land, then
> crossover office would be a real possibility and then you could possibly
> go completely Linux.  We use it at my church since the Pastor and some
> of the staff need Office XP.

Does crossover office provide a replacement for endnote?

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Fonts problem on Debian Etch

2007-01-31 Thread David Shultz

I've installed debian etch(daily built). And i gotta say
it's impressive. Now i have a problem. The problem is
related to the display of fonts on screen. Fonts that
are displayed on screen are partly blurry and partly ok.
Even the cursor is like that. Is it possible to fix this?

Thanks.

--David


Re: Patch for Daylight Savings Time (DST))

2007-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 01/31/07 14:23, s. keeling wrote:
> Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>  On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 06:05:18AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>>> Rob Sims wrote:
[snip]
> Now I'm really confused.  I'm running stable/sarge too:
> 
> (0) heretic /home/keeling_ zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007
> /etc/localtime  Sun Apr  1 08:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Apr  1 01:59:59 2007 MST 
> isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200
> /etc/localtime  Sun Apr  1 09:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Apr  1 03:00:00 2007 MDT 
> isdst=1 gmtoff=-21600
> /etc/localtime  Sun Oct 28 07:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Oct 28 01:59:59 2007 MDT 
> isdst=1 gmtoff=-21600
> /etc/localtime  Sun Oct 28 08:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Oct 28 01:00:00 2007 MST 
> isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200
> (0) heretic /home/keeling_ date --date="Mar 10 15:00:00 UTC 2007"
> Sat Mar 10 08:00:00 MST 2007
> (0) heretic /home/keeling_ date --date="Mar 11 15:00:00 UTC 2007"
> Sun Mar 11 08:00:00 MST 2007
> 
> Have I missed something blindingly obvious here?  I thought Canada was
> supposed to be aligning itself with US ST/DT?
> 
> ii  coreutils  5.2.1-2  The GNU core utilities

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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Joshua J. Kugler
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 15:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
> You're talking to someone who's been a DBA for 10 years; you will
> not win this argument.

Eh, so ya got three years on me. :)

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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 01/31/07 17:54, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 14:20, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 01/31/07 16:50, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:19, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> How do I get started here?
 First.  Please do not use MySQL, unless you don't care about your data.
>>> Please stop this MySQL vs. PostgreSQL bashing.  Each has their place.  If
>>> users of MySQL don't care about their data, then I guess Bayer, Colgate,
>>> Ensembl Genome Browser, Genome Sciences Center (GSC), The Institute for
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Feedster, Flickr, Freshmeat.net, Technorati, Wikipedia, and YouTube
>>> (among many others, see http://www.mysql.com/customers/ ) don't care
>>> about their data.  These are companies that live and die by their data,
>>> I'm sure they care about it very much.  Each has their place.  MySQL has
>>> come a long way since its 3.23 days.  Read the manual.  Form your own
>>> opinions.  A lot has changed.
>> I supplied a link to the official MySQL docs.  I'll quote from them
>> now, if you'd like:
>>
>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/constraint-invalid-data.html
>> MySQL allows you to store certain incorrect date values
>> into DATE and DATETIME columns (such as '2000-02-31' or
>> '2000-02-00'). The idea is that it's not the job of the
>> SQL server to validate dates. If MySQL can store a date
>> value and retrieve exactly the same value, MySQL stores
>> it as given. If the date is totally wrong (outside the
>> server's ability to store it), the special ?zero? date
>> value '-00-00' is stored in the column instead.
> 
> In that same document, they give the reason for doing so:
> 
> "The reason for using the preceding rules in non-strict mode is that we can't 
> check these conditions until the statement has begun executing. We can't just 
> roll back if we encounter a problem after updating a few rows, because the 
> storage engine may not support rollback. The option of terminating the 
> statement is not that good; in this case, the update would be “half done,” 
> which is probably the worst possible scenario. In this case, it's better 
> to “do the best you can” and then continue as if nothing happened."

Every other RDBMS handles bad data by rejecting the statement.  But
then, every other RDBMS that I know of is transactional and can roll
back to the point of last commit.  (And no, slapping an SQL parser
on top of an ISAM library did not make MySQL an RDBMS.)

> And also provide a way (from 5.0.2 on) of enabling the "traditional" strict 
> behavior.  So, with one config option, MySQL will now reject all invalid data 
> (providing you're using transactional engines, for reasons described above).

And a developer can disable it at run-time, inserting all the bad
data his poorly written app can manage.  We all make mistakes.
Having another layer of protection is *always* a good thing.

> As for your assertion that those who spec MySQL don't know what they're 
> doing, 
> I do believe the techs that work at MySQL are some pretty sharp cookies.  I 
> think they know what they're doing, and I'm sure they know how to either 
> enable the above config option, or check their data before it gets to their 
> database.

And not making a database-wide config parameter QED demonstrates
that they do *not* know what it takes to make a real RDBMS.

You're talking to someone who's been a DBA for 10 years; you will
not win this argument.

> All products have their gotchas.  One should be familiar with the product 
> against which one is writing, or weird things will bite you down the road.
> 
> j
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Re: Small Network Setup with Debian Router

2007-01-31 Thread Alan Chandler
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 23:01, David Duong wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 09:57:48PM +0100, Kristian Lampen wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I plan to set up a home network, a little bit more than a
> > DSL-router-box with the PC's connected to it. I could do so, but
> > for reasons of fun (hobby), the learning aspect and be in touch
> > with future technologies, I want to do it more flexible and
> > controllable.
> >
> > This is my plan:
> >
> >  [WiFi Access Point]
> >
> >  |  PC3   PC2PC1  
> >  | LAPTOP
> >
> >
> > [---Switch]
> >
> >   | NIC 1
> >
> > [Debian Router]
> >
> >  | NIC 2
> >
> >  [DSL-Modem]
> >
> >
> > outside(WAN)
> >
> > All network interfaces should be Gigabit-interfaces.
> >
> > So, my questions are:
> >
> > 1. Is this network setup realisable?
>
> I have the same exact setup as that diagram. 

Snap

> My Debian Router is 
> running Debian (duh) Sarge with Shorewall.

I was running Sarge, I updated to Etch about 3 months ago.  I just use 
my own iptables script as a firewall, kicked off 
from /etc/networks/interfaces thusly

# This is the network card for connecting from the outside (MAC address 
registered)
iface eth0 inet dhcp
pre-up /etc/firewall $IFACE
pre-up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward


> > 2. Is it correct to place the WiFi Access Point connected to the
> > switch, or better directly to the Debian Router?
>
> I have a WiFI AP connected to my 5 port switch, I set it to use WPA2
> and with a very good and long password. 

Me too - I have two interface cards in my debian router, I don't want 
any more.

My router also runs a mail server and external web site (apache, with 
java applications via tomcat)

> > 3. I want to have the possibility to see the whole network traffic
> > with the router. Not only the traffic from the PC's through the
> > router to the outside world. How can I manage this? Do I have to
> > buy a switch with the port-mirroring feature? If so, how do I have
> > to connect it to the Router?
>
> This I am not sure of, but before I was responding to this I was
> reading other people's comments and they have some very good
> responses to this question.

If the switch is working correct you could never see the traffic, 
because it remembers where the mac addresses are and will not send 
traffic down each ethernet link.
>
> > 4. Does someone have examples for Switches I could use?
>
> I am currently using a 5 port Linksys switch 10/100

Me too


I would just add that originally I had both a netgear and a d-link 
router connected directly to the wan.  Around about Christmas 2004 (or 
may be it was 2003, I cant remember) there was a worm out there which 
was systematically attempting to connect to every sub address on the 
ethernet lan network.  My ISP's cable network actually looks like a big 
ethernet lan, and an the peak of this infection, I was getting 7000 arp 
messages (these are the ones asking if the you have a particular ip 
address) a second.  These started to crash these routers because of the 
volume.  It was then that I put my 1Ghz celeron debian PC as the 
router, and it has never once even broken sweat dealing with the volume 
of data.


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Re: [TLUG]: running windows via kvm module -- any experiences?

2007-01-31 Thread Fraser Campbell
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 10:52, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:47:29AM -0500, Matt Price wrote:
> > yes, I know.  the core-duo hcips seem the obvious hcoice, probably
> > either a thinkpad x60 or a sony sz series.
>
> Make that Core 2 Duo.  The core Duo probably won't do it at all.

Nope, core duo is fine as well.  I have a Dell inspiron 6400 with a T2400 
(IIRC) ... definitely a core duo and definitely has VT.  All core duos from 
T2200 and up (if not earlier) should have VT capability.  I've tried HP, 
Toshiba and Dell laptops and all had VT enabled and working fine for Xen.

Wish I'd stuck with the Toshiba, it had Intel graphics.  On the toshiba 
graphics and suspend all worked out of the box - without ATI graphics not so 
much, I suppose there are some functional ATI drivers that I could download 
from somewhere but I'm too lazy to look ;-)

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Re: Debian, Iceweasel, Firefox

2007-01-31 Thread Craigevil

Piotr Dziubinski wrote:

I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why?

I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've been using Debian
for the last 6 months, but today I changed my mind!

After updating Firefox in Debian I realized that Firefox is no longer
present in my operating system!
Instead of it, I have this trashy and  Iceweasle.
F.u...k, #%&[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5^%^*(@ %$&$%&^$

Oki, I can install my favorite Firefox from other packages, but do you
realize, that I would like to be asked if I want to use this f..u...k...ng
%^*( *&##$$ ^&^%& Iceweasle instead of Firefox?

Good luck with using losers... ups I mean: losing users! :P

Ex-Debian user...
... back to the Gentoo


Iceweasel IS Firefox just renamed because of licensing issues with Mozilla.
Facts about Debian and Mozilla(r) Firefox(r)
http://web.glandium.org/blog/?p=97

You may also want to READ:
Debian Social Contract
http://www.debian.org/social_contract

Debian -- What Does Free Mean?
http://www.debian.org/intro/free

Heck if it bothers you that much simply edit
general.useragent.extra.firefoxto Firefox/2.0.0.1 instead of saying
Iceweasel

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061205
Firefox/2.0.0.1 (Debian-2.0.0.1+dfsg-2)

Good Luck with Gentoo.

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RE: Adaptec 1540CF (aha1542) not detected

2007-01-31 Thread Oliver Twist
Well, think I may have a handle (vaguely) on the problem (though no solution 
yet):


However, the installer cannot detect my SCSI CDROM.  I try to choose it 
manually, but no such device seems to be listed in /dev (looking for 
/dev/sr0 or some such)


I have tried the boot option:
aha1542=0x


After looking in depth at
/proc/modules
/proc/interrupts
/proc/iomem
/proc/ioports

it became obvious that the aha1542.ko module was not being loaded by the 
installer.  (and I suspect that even though the aha1542=xxx boot option is 
listed, it may not have been compiled into the kernel either)


So at the beginning of the install process, I alt-F2 to a terminal and
# modprobe aha1542
to load the module

and behold, the adapter is detected!
I now have
/dev/sr0 as my scsi cdrom

** BUT **
big problem:
When I try to mount the cdrom, I get:
Kernel panic: Buffer at physical address > 16Mb used for aha1542

After some online research, it appears that this is a result of a recurring 
bug throughout kernels since 2.3.x

(fixed in 2.3.26, recurs around 2.6.3, etc.)

not sure of current patch status, etc. but I'm looking now.
Will post what I find.

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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Joshua J. Kugler
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 14:20, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 01/31/07 16:50, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
> > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:19, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >>> How do I get started here?
> >>
> >> First.  Please do not use MySQL, unless you don't care about your data.
> >
> > Please stop this MySQL vs. PostgreSQL bashing.  Each has their place.  If
> > users of MySQL don't care about their data, then I guess Bayer, Colgate,
> > Ensembl Genome Browser, Genome Sciences Center (GSC), The Institute for
>
> [snip]
>
> > Feedster, Flickr, Freshmeat.net, Technorati, Wikipedia, and YouTube
> > (among many others, see http://www.mysql.com/customers/ ) don't care
> > about their data.  These are companies that live and die by their data,
> > I'm sure they care about it very much.  Each has their place.  MySQL has
> > come a long way since its 3.23 days.  Read the manual.  Form your own
> > opinions.  A lot has changed.
>
> I supplied a link to the official MySQL docs.  I'll quote from them
> now, if you'd like:
>
> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/constraint-invalid-data.html
> MySQL allows you to store certain incorrect date values
> into DATE and DATETIME columns (such as '2000-02-31' or
> '2000-02-00'). The idea is that it's not the job of the
> SQL server to validate dates. If MySQL can store a date
> value and retrieve exactly the same value, MySQL stores
> it as given. If the date is totally wrong (outside the
> server's ability to store it), the special ?zero? date
> value '-00-00' is stored in the column instead.

In that same document, they give the reason for doing so:

"The reason for using the preceding rules in non-strict mode is that we can't 
check these conditions until the statement has begun executing. We can't just 
roll back if we encounter a problem after updating a few rows, because the 
storage engine may not support rollback. The option of terminating the 
statement is not that good; in this case, the update would be “half done,” 
which is probably the worst possible scenario. In this case, it's better 
to “do the best you can” and then continue as if nothing happened."

And also provide a way (from 5.0.2 on) of enabling the "traditional" strict 
behavior.  So, with one config option, MySQL will now reject all invalid data 
(providing you're using transactional engines, for reasons described above).

As for your assertion that those who spec MySQL don't know what they're doing, 
I do believe the techs that work at MySQL are some pretty sharp cookies.  I 
think they know what they're doing, and I'm sure they know how to either 
enable the above config option, or check their data before it gets to their 
database.

All products have their gotchas.  One should be familiar with the product 
against which one is writing, or weird things will bite you down the road.

j

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Re: Mount information during boot.

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:40:44PM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 20:40, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 07:52:59PM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 19:12, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 06:58:56PM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > > > > The following text appears several times whilst booting.  Its
> > > > > relatively new (for the last couple of months).  Any idea what
> > > > > does it?  as it doesn't appear to be when the main filesystems
> > > > > are mounted.  I am running Debian SID.
> > > >
> > > > [snipped mount usage info]
> > > >
> > > > do you have some stuff in your fstab that is out of date?
> > >
> > > like what?  only comments and filesystems that I want mounted - see
> > > below
> >
> > [snipped perfectly good fstab]
> >
> > just a stab in the dark. shrug. what point in booting does this
> > happen? is it before or after pivot-root?
> 
> Its afterwards.
> 
> The first record I have is just after the hardware clock is set
> 
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: Will now activate swap.
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: swapon on /dev/sda2
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: swapon on /dev/sdb2
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: Done activating swap.
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh: line 
> 379: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs: No such file or directory

I wonder if this is where the problem starts, I suspect the system
clock setting below is concurrent with S10checkroot.sh. 

I took a look at that script and there is a bunch of mount stuff going
on in there. The specific line reference (379) is just a call to the
do_start subroutine, so that's not much help. But I'm guessing the
problem is in there some where. You've got something in that script
that is calling mount incorrectly resulting in it producing the usage
text instead of doing anything useful.

> Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: Setting the system clock..
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007: System Clock set. Local time: Wed Jan 31 
> 18:52:47 GMT 2007.
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007: Usage: mount -V : print 
> version
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007:mount -h : print this 
> help
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007:mount: list mounted 
> filesystems
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007:mount -l : idem, 
> including volume labels
>  ...

above is likely caused by a bad mount call in S10checkroot.sh

> 
> 
> Then later some sort of cleanup
> 
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:55 2007: Cleaning /tmp...done.
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:56 2007: Cleaning /var/run...done.
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:56 2007: Cleaning /var/lock...done.
> Wed Jan 31 18:52:56 2007: Usage: mount -V : print 
> version
> ...
> 

either this is s10checkroot.sh still hanging around doing stuff, or
its another boot script having the same issue. I looked at
S36mountall-bootclean.sh and all it does is call /etc/init.d/bootclean
and that doesn't seem to have a mount at all so I doubt its
that. Though, that is what is going on on the first three lines there.

hth

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2007-01-31 Thread anthony

Hello I'm using Debian Etch and just switched wireless card to an orinoco
(grey import),

I'm using kismet with the card and I get this error:

Server options:  none
Client options:  none
Starting server...
Waiting for server to start before starting UI...
Suid priv-dropping disabled.  This may not be secure.
No specific sources given to be enabled, all will be enabled.
Enabling channel hopping.
Enabling channel splitting.
Source 0 (orinocosource): Enabling monitor mode for orinoco source interface
eth2 channel 6...
FATAL: Could not find 'monitor' private ioctl or use the newer style 'mode
monitor' command.  This typically means that the drivers have not been
patched or the correct drivers are being loaded. See the troubleshooting
section of the README for more information.

This is the source part of my /etc/kismet/kismet.conf file

source=orinoco,eth2,orinocosource

I've read around and there are some suggestions to change the firmware of
the card. Do I need to do this or does anybody know an easier fix?

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Re: Bad install experience using Jigdo ISOs

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 01:23:07AM +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> On 1/31/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Maybe a nice reminder
> >that pops up before the partitioning portion would be a good way to
> >go. Something like
> >
> >"You are about to pass the point of no return in your install and you
> >have not yet verified the checksums for this installer image. Would
> >you like to do so now?"
> >
> >might be just the ticket.
> 
> I think something along the lines like this would be great but it
> would have to check md5s for you if possible.

that's exactly what I mean. The "verify disk" or whatever its called
in the installer does just that already. A prompt before the first
partitioning step could run that check (on the user's approval) before
anything destructive is done. You might want to file a wishlist bug
against d-i for this (if it doesn't already exist).

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Re: [OT] Re: How to make work dual monitors with Debian etch on an IBM x60s ThinkPad?

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 11:42:01PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 12:32:19 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:16:33PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > > [ Please have a look at how I trim quoted messages below and how I put
> > >   the "answers" below the relevant "questions" in the older mail(s).
> > >   This makes it easier for the other subscribers of this list to follow
> > >   our exchange. Ideally, every single email should be a self-explanatory
> > >   and concise "story" told in chronological order. Please consider
> > >   changing your quoting and posting style accordingly. ] 
> > 
> > with all the various threads and rants about posting style, I have to
> > say this is by far the best way to "chastise" a poster and express the
> > "proper" way to do things (lay off guys, not claiming one way is more
> > or less proper here...)
> > 
> > Nice job Florian, though its a lot of typing...
> 
[...]
> 
> We might have to
> be careful, though, not to scare away new list members by barking a curt
> "please do not top post" at them without further explanation.

I totally agree. More than once I've got myself sending a "please
don't top post" to a new list member and regretted it later. I recall
that my first few posts here were "improper" and dealing with that
issue as well as the mass of confusion that comes with learning a new
OS makes for an overall difficult experience.

'nuff said

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Re: Bug #352758

2007-01-31 Thread cga2000
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 08:21:04AM EST, Alan Ianson wrote:
> On Tue January 30 2007 20:55, cga2000 wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 10:46:27PM EST, Alan Ianson wrote:
> > > On Tue January 30 2007 18:05, cga2000 wrote:
> > > > I reported Bug #352758 almost a year ago and never received any
> > > > feedback.
> > > >
> > > > I am not familiar with the debian bug reports system and I am beginning
> > > > to wonder whether I forgot something .. opened the bug report with the
> > > > wrong maintainer group .. etc.
> > > >
> > > > Could someone more knowledgeable than myself take a quick look and
> > > > advise what I could/should do at this point?
> > >
> > > It looks like your bug was reassigned to installation-reports. I don't
> > > know what has happened with it since then but it's still there.
> >
> > OK.  So basically there's nothing wrong with my bug report and there's
> > nothing more I can do at this point, right?
> 
> It looks like a quality report to me and the devs can contact you if they 
> need 
> to. You did your part.. :)

I still use the email account that I specified when I created the bug
report.  So I will just sit tight and keep an eye open for updates.

Thanks.

cga


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Re: Bad install experience using Jigdo ISOs

2007-01-31 Thread Justin Hartman

On 1/31/07, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Maybe a nice reminder
that pops up before the partitioning portion would be a good way to
go. Something like

"You are about to pass the point of no return in your install and you
have not yet verified the checksums for this installer image. Would
you like to do so now?"

might be just the ticket.


I think something along the lines like this would be great but it
would have to check md5s for you if possible.
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Re: EXT3-fs error, directory contains a hole

2007-01-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 02:25:50PM -0300, Jos? Pablo Fern?ndez wrote:
> Hello,
> I have a server which was turned off (unplugged) without halting and that 
> seems to have broken the FS. I managed to fsck it and mount it and now it's 
> working, but I've got these errors: 
> 
> kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md0): ext3_readdir: directory #1141442 contains 
> a hole at offset 8192
> kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md0): ext3_readdir: directory #1141442 contains 
> a hole at offset 12288
> kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md0): ext3_readdir: directory #1141442 contains 
> a hole at offset 16384
> kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md0): ext3_readdir: directory #1141442 contains 
> a hole at offset 20480
> 
> and eventually 
> 
> kernel: EXT3-fs error (device md0) in start_transaction: Readonly filesystem
> 
> Any ideas what's wrong and/or how to fix it?

Its been years since I ran ext* but I don't think it can hurt to do
another fsck with the filesystem totally unmounted.  That means that if
this is the / filesystem, you need to use a rescue media not just the
boot-time fsck while its mounted ro.

Doug.


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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 01/31/07 16:50, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:19, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>>> How do I get started here?
>> First.  Please do not use MySQL, unless you don't care about your data.
> 
> Please stop this MySQL vs. PostgreSQL bashing.  Each has their place.  If 
> users of MySQL don't care about their data, then I guess Bayer, Colgate, 
> Ensembl Genome Browser, Genome Sciences Center (GSC), The Institute for 
[snip]
> Feedster, Flickr, Freshmeat.net, Technorati, Wikipedia, and YouTube (among 
> many others, see http://www.mysql.com/customers/ ) don't care about their 
> data.  These are companies that live and die by their data, I'm sure they 
> care about it very much.  Each has their place.  MySQL has come a long way 
> since its 3.23 days.  Read the manual.  Form your own opinions.  A lot has 
> changed.

I supplied a link to the official MySQL docs.  I'll quote from them
now, if you'd like:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/constraint-invalid-data.html
MySQL allows you to store certain incorrect date values
into DATE and DATETIME columns (such as '2000-02-31' or
'2000-02-00'). The idea is that it's not the job of the
SQL server to validate dates. If MySQL can store a date
value and retrieve exactly the same value, MySQL stores
it as given. If the date is totally wrong (outside the
server's ability to store it), the special ?zero? date
value '-00-00' is stored in the column instead.


So, I'd say that yes, anyone who specs MySQL either (a) does not
know WTF they are doing, or (b) cares more about MySQL's supposed
raw speed than about the validity of their data.
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Re: Dual head setup

2007-01-31 Thread Greg Vickers

Hi Hans,

Hans du Plooy wrote:

Hi guys,

I'm banging my head against this one - with little effect...

I just installed Etch on my workstation, which has a Radeon 7000 and two
Dell 19" LCD screens.  I'm trying to set up an extended desktop - sort of
need it that way to be able to work efficiently.

I followed various howtos and posts in the internet, and what I have now
seems to be what I'm supposed to have but I'm still getting just a cloned
display, and KDE doesn't give me the option to change anything (in Control
Center --> Peripherals --> Display).


I feel your pain. I just had several weeks of trying to fix the same 
problem but with an ATI X600 PCIE.



Is there anything special I have to do - some package I forgot to install?


To get my video card working and stable, I had to use the fglrx module 
provided by ATI. (http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html -> Linux x86 -> 
choose your card, etc etc) The Debian package created by the ATI 
installer did not work for me (because I am on stable with Xorg off 
backports.org, their 'stable' package created an XFree86 driver and 
their 'testing' package wanted Xorg >=7.0, I'm running 6.9...) so I had 
to use their installer to just install the module directly into the 
filesystem rather than a Debian package. Because I did not build the 
kernel module, I miss out on 3D, but I don't care :p Since you are on 
Etch you may have more luck.
Once you have run the installer in whatever way works for you, use the 
'aticonfig' program to generate correct driver/screen/monitor stanzas in 
your xorg.conf. My working xorg.conf is below.


Before I did all the above, I did get the dual head working under Xorg 
with the radeon module, but it would frequently crash with this message 
in Xorg.0.log:

(EE) RADEON(0): FIFO timed out, resetting engine...
This xorg.conf is also included below.

Apparently this error can cause outright lockups (as in my case) or have 
 no effect whatsoever. I think it depends on the combination of video 
card and motherboard.



Here is my config.


My crashing xorg.conf with the radeon module:
Section "Files"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"bitmap"
Load"dbe"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"record"
Load"type1"
Load"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/input/mice"
Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons"   "true"
Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "ATI Radeon X600 (DVI)"
Driver  "radeon"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
Screen  0
Option  "CRT2Position" "RightOf"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "ATI Radeon X600 (VGA)"
Driver  "radeon"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:1"
Screen  1
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Monitor for ATI Radeon X600 (DVI)"
Option  "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Monitor for ATI Radeon X600 (VGA)"
Option  "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "PCIEScreen0"
Device  "ATI Radeon X600 (DVI)"
Monitor "Monitor for ATI Radeon X600 (DVI)"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
Modes   "1280x1024"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "PCIEScreen1"
Device  "ATI Radeon X600 (VGA)"
Monitor "Monitor for ATI Radeon X600 (VGA)"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
Modes   "1280x1024"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier  "Dual-head Layout"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
Screen  0 "PCIEScreen0"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode066

Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 01/31/07 16:58, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 17:47, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 01/31/07 13:22, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:03:25 -0800
>>>
>>> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> My kids like a lot of stuff that causes my IQ to perceptibly
>> lower if exposed to it for more than 5 minutes.  I figure that
>> my parents thought the same of Fat Albert, SR & Scooby Doo.
 indeed. but since we're older, we are surely right  -- what we
 thought was cool was indeed cool. What our kids think is cool, is
 obviously stupid drivel. That said -- teen titans ranks up there
 for me ;)
>>> I thought Dexter's Laboratory would be more popular with members of
>>> this list. From the recent stuff it's my favorite.
>> Dexter's Lab is great, but we didn't grow up with it.
> 
> Maybe, but we'll never see an American 'toon that'll top Johnny Quest.

I mentioned /JQ/ to my son the other night.  "What's /Johnny Quest/?"

We're so old.  And I'm too young to have watched JQ first runs.
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Re: [SOLVED] Re: Partitioning And Formatting A Large Disk (2086.09GB)

2007-01-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 12:56:31PM -0500, Michael S. Peek wrote:
> Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >I think this is the precise reason that IBM invented JFS.  Its all I
> >use for everything.I'm curious why you don't use LVM on top of the 
> >hardware raid.
> 
> Simplification mostly.  Why do it if I don't have to?
> 
> This box is a redundant backup for another (with older hardware, I had 
> no choice but use software RAID on that one).  But since it is a backup, 
> I have the luxury of taking one down to tinker with the arrays while the 
> other takes over full time, so I wasn't convinced that the cost of 
> complicating the setup with things like LVM or mdadm would be worth the 
> perks.  At least in my case.
> 
> I'm open to arguments for or against if anyone has any feelings about 
> it, as I'm nowhere near sure that the setup I'm using is the best thing 
> to do.
> 
> >What
> >happens when you need to add more drives than that one controller can
> >handle?
> >  
> 
> The case and controller are already maxed out at 16 drives.  If I need 
> more space, then I'll probably just upgrade to larger drives and rebuild 
> the arrays.
> 
> I'm facing just such an upgrade dilemma with the older box now.  Some of 
> the older drives are beginning to fail, so I have a choice: buy more 
> drives of the same size to replace the failing ones, or start buying 
> larger drives and start upgrading the arrays.
> 

Sounds like an excellent reason to use LVM.  pvmove the lv extents off
the failing drives (or arrays) then add new drives.  LVM is no more (and
perhaps less) complicated than regular partitions and give you some
flexibility.

As far as filesystems, seriously consider JFS.  google search
site:ibm.com jfs, and a thread on debian lists.  JFS can be grown but
not shrunk.

Doug.


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Re: Small Network Setup with Debian Router

2007-01-31 Thread David Duong
On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 09:57:48PM +0100, Kristian Lampen wrote:
> Hi,
> I plan to set up a home network, a little bit more than a DSL-router-box
> with the PC's connected to it. I could do so, but for reasons of fun
> (hobby), the learning aspect and be in touch with future technologies, I
> want to do it more flexible and controllable.
> 
> This is my plan:
> 
>  [WiFi Access Point]
>  |
>  |  PC3   PC2PC1   LAPTOP
>  || | |   |
> [---Switch]
>   |
>   | NIC 1
>   |
> [Debian Router]
>  |
>  | NIC 2
>  |
>  [DSL-Modem]
>  |
>  |
> outside(WAN)
> 
> All network interfaces should be Gigabit-interfaces.
> 
> So, my questions are:
> 
> 1. Is this network setup realisable?

I have the same exact setup as that diagram.  My Debian Router is running 
Debian (duh) Sarge with Shorewall.  Just have to install pppoe and pppd and you 
should 
be good to go.  Oh and yes, set your DSL modem as a bridge and not a router.  
And so far, it's been really reliable.

> 
> 2. Is it correct to place the WiFi Access Point connected to the switch,
> or better directly to the Debian Router?

I have a WiFI AP connected to my 5 port switch, I set it to use WPA2 and with a 
very good and long password.  I don't think anyone would go for a free ride but 
if 
they did...good for them :)  I'll just have to learn from my mistakes right?  ;)

> 
> 3. I want to have the possibility to see the whole network traffic with
> the router. Not only the traffic from the PC's through the router to the
> outside world. How can I manage this? Do I have to buy a switch with the
> port-mirroring feature? If so, how do I have to connect it to the Router?

This I am not sure of, but before I was responding to this I was reading other 
people's comments and they have some very good responses to this question. 

> 4. Does someone have examples for Switches I could use?

I am currently using a 5 port Linksys switch 10/100

> 
> 
> Thank you for thinking of it, hope you can understand...
> 
> Kristian
> 
> 
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Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-01-31 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 17:47, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 01/31/07 13:22, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:03:25 -0800
> >
> > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  My kids like a lot of stuff that causes my IQ to perceptibly
>  lower if exposed to it for more than 5 minutes.  I figure that
>  my parents thought the same of Fat Albert, SR & Scooby Doo.
> >>
> >> indeed. but since we're older, we are surely right  -- what we
> >> thought was cool was indeed cool. What our kids think is cool, is
> >> obviously stupid drivel. That said -- teen titans ranks up there
> >> for me ;)
> >
> > I thought Dexter's Laboratory would be more popular with members of
> > this list. From the recent stuff it's my favorite.
>
> Dexter's Lab is great, but we didn't grow up with it.

Maybe, but we'll never see an American 'toon that'll top Johnny Quest.

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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Joshua J. Kugler
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 13:19, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > How do I get started here?
>
> First.  Please do not use MySQL, unless you don't care about your data.

Please stop this MySQL vs. PostgreSQL bashing.  Each has their place.  If 
users of MySQL don't care about their data, then I guess Bayer, Colgate, 
Ensembl Genome Browser, Genome Sciences Center (GSC), The Institute for 
Genomic Research, AIRBUS/EADS, Australian Department of Defence, Los Alamos 
National Laboratory, Ministère de la Defense (France), CraigsList, Google, 
iStockphoto, PriceGrabber, Ticketmaster, Yahoo!, CERN - The ATLAS Experiment 
at LHC, Bank of Canada, Lloyds TSB Bank, Linden Lab (Second Life), California 
Air Review Board, Department of Homeland Security, NASA, NASA Jet Propulsion 
Lab (JPL), DaimlerChrysler, Epson, Chicago Sun-Times, Slashdot, Dell, 
Hewlett-Packard, Novell, Siemens, Sun Microsystems, Symantec, Texas 
Instruments, AT&T Wireless, Cable & Wireless, Cisco Systems, Nokia, Lufthansa 
Systems, Orbitz, 37signals, del.icio.us, Digg, Facebook, Feedburner, 
Feedster, Flickr, Freshmeat.net, Technorati, Wikipedia, and YouTube (among 
many others, see http://www.mysql.com/customers/ ) don't care about their 
data.  These are companies that live and die by their data, I'm sure they 
care about it very much.  Each has their place.  MySQL has come a long way 
since its 3.23 days.  Read the manual.  Form your own opinions.  A lot has 
changed.

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Re: OT: sponge burning!

2007-01-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 01/31/07 13:22, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:03:25 -0800
> Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
 My kids like a lot of stuff that causes my IQ to perceptibly lower
 if exposed to it for more than 5 minutes.  I figure that my
 parents thought the same of Fat Albert, SR & Scooby Doo.
>> indeed. but since we're older, we are surely right  -- what we thought
>> was cool was indeed cool. What our kids think is cool, is obviously
>> stupid drivel. That said -- teen titans ranks up there for me ;)
> 
> I thought Dexter's Laboratory would be more popular with members of
> this list. From the recent stuff it's my favorite.

Dexter's Lab is great, but we didn't grow up with it.
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[OT] Re: How to make work dual monitors with Debian etch on an IBM x60s ThinkPad?

2007-01-31 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 12:32:19 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:16:33PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > [ Please have a look at how I trim quoted messages below and how I put
> >   the "answers" below the relevant "questions" in the older mail(s).
> >   This makes it easier for the other subscribers of this list to follow
> >   our exchange. Ideally, every single email should be a self-explanatory
> >   and concise "story" told in chronological order. Please consider
> >   changing your quoting and posting style accordingly. ] 
> 
> with all the various threads and rants about posting style, I have to
> say this is by far the best way to "chastise" a poster and express the
> "proper" way to do things (lay off guys, not claiming one way is more
> or less proper here...)
> 
> Nice job Florian, though its a lot of typing...

Thanks. I am currently trying the "speak softly and carry a killfile"
approach to top-posting. I have to admit, though, that I was sorely
tempted to flame a few people in last week's top-posting thread. At that
time I was away at a conference and the host institution only gave us
port 80 internet connectivity over their wlan. Having to read this list
through a non-threaded webmail interface really makes you grow tired of
top-posting and untrimmed quotations very very rapidly.

I am convinced that most people will see the advantages of "proper"
posting on high-traffic mailing lists if you explain the relevant points
nicely. I think in the end it just comes down to "enlightened self-
interest" - the more accessible your messages are for everybody, the
more you will profit yourself from participating here. We might have to
be careful, though, not to scare away new list members by barking a curt
"please do not top post" at them without further explanation.

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Re: How to prevent the console from going black ?

2007-01-31 Thread Andre Majorel
On 2007-01-31 14:27 +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 10:14 +0100, Andre Majorel wrote:
> > Is there a kernel boot parameter or /proc magic to disable the VGA
> > console blanking ? (Equivalent of TIOCLINUX subcode 10 value 0 on
> > all VT.)
> 
> this can be done with setterm. (See the man page).

Thanks.

> Do you really need it set at boot time?

If setterm is not on your rescue CD, you might.

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Re: Free me from the pain of NFS!

2007-01-31 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 11:03:26AM -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
>   I currently have several NFS mounts to share my media between my
> PVR, my workstation, and my neighbour's workstation downstairs.
> 
>   The problem is, a lot of the time the mounts are not loaded on boot
> for some reason or another (eg; in the case of a power outage, all computers
> come back up at the same time, but they don't all take the same amount of
> time to boot... so one will try to mount the NFS shares before the other is
> serving them, etc.)
> 
Something like AFS might help solve that problem.  However, it is
complex, requires a working Kerberos setup on your network and can be
more difficult to administer.  So, unless you are ready to handle all
that, I'd go with the autofs suggestions offered by others.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Is your KERNEL pattern right?

2007-01-31 Thread Daniel B.

Mark Williamson wrote:


BUS=="usb", SYSFS{product}=="Palm Handheld*", KERNEL=="ttyUSB[013579]",

Shouldn't you be matching [13579]?  Matching the 0 as well will match 
the first serial pipe to the handheld, not the second.  On my Palm zire 
I can only hotsync to the second...

...
... (I'm not sure what the 
other serial pipe at zire0 is actually useful for, I don't use it).


Does anyone else know that the first serial device/pipe/whatever
is for?

Daniel


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Re: Getting started with Postgres or MySQL

2007-01-31 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 07:17:48PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> I have an openoffice spreadsheet from which I want to generate two related 
> tables. I have tried most everything installed.
> 
> Stuff from OpenOffice will generate a database with table entries named by 
> the 
> first line in the spreadsheet. This can, indeed, be queried, sort of.
> 
> I would like to get this data into a Postgres or MySQL database. Using 
> pgadmin3, I cannot get a connection connected. Does not accept my password. 
> Their docs cited Debian problems here and recommended md5 authorization. 
> Tried that. No avail. One can also simply say trust (localhost only). No 
> avail.
> 
> How do I get started here?
> 
First.  Please do not use MySQL, unless you don't care about your data.

Second, you do know that PostgreSQL users and system users are separate.
Have you created a user account in PostgreSQL?  You can do this using
the command line program and this documented quite well at
http://postgresql.org/docs along with lots of other things.

As far as it not accepting your password, what do the errors in the logs
say?

Regards,

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Re: Best way to shrink Windows on new laptop?

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:41:07PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2007, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 04:15:25PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > > On 31 Jan 2007, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > > 
> > > I failed to resize the Windows partition (Windows XP) with both the
> > > Debian installer disk and qparted. They appeared to work but at the end
> > > the partition was still the same size.
> > 
[...]
> > 
> > As I remember the process, you select the ntfs partition, resize it
> > (it will prompt you with the minimum size), wait wait wait, and then
> > you are presented with a new partitioning screen with lovely free
> > space. How did your experience differ?
> > 
> > A
> 
> Nothing at all seemed to happen with the Debian installer. 

details here would help. my memory is that you select the partition,
and press enter (doing this from memory here...), select resize, enter
the size and away you go. 

> So I tried
> with ntfsresize from Knoppix. This completed satisfactorily but the
> partition was still the same size. It said I was next supposed to delete
> and remake the partition with cfdisk, which I did. It was now the
> correct size and type but Windows would no longer start.

yeah, probably the cfdisking confused its boot. what exactly happened
with the windows boot? nothing at all? or did it try to come up and
fail?

you are correct in that ntfsresize *just* resizes the file system and
not the partition. Knoppix includes other partitioners. I've used
qtparted with success. It will call ntfsresize as needed. you might
try that. 

> 
> So I restored Windows from the restore compartment and it's working
> again, but of course it's now occupying the whole disk as before. 
> 
> I don't really understand how cfdisk is supposed to work with
> ntfsresize. Perhaps I misunderstood the instructions. But I may have to
> give up and just delete Windows completely.
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Re: resize2fs on LVM2 on hardware RAID5

2007-01-31 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 03:35:22PM -0500, Drake Mobius wrote:
> of course, only use XFS with a very reliable and stable OS and power supply.
> Being non-journalled, and all.
> 
Hmm.  Researching what you are talking about might be a good thing.

"XFS is a high-performance journaling file system created by Silicon
   ^^
Graphics for their IRIX operating system." [0]

Regards,

-Roberto

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=XFS&oldid=103856210

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Re: SATA on kernel 2.4.27: lost interrupt

2007-01-31 Thread KS
Felipe G. Nievinski wrote:
> *PROBLEM*: I get the following error messages
> dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x24
> lost interrupt
> DMA interrupt recovery
> when trying to
> fdisk /dev/hde

Shouldn't *fdisk /dev/hde* have raised a flag as it is a SATA disk and
should be detected as /dev/sdX (X=a,b,...)?

/KS


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SATA on kernel 2.4.27: lost interrupt

2007-01-31 Thread Felipe G. Nievinski

Hope this helps someone in the same situation as I was.

Felipe.


*PROBLEM*: I get the following error messages
dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x24
lost interrupt
DMA interrupt recovery
when trying to
fdisk /dev/hde
Occasionaly I get lost interrupt messages during system initialization, too.

*BACKGROUND*: I'm installing a SATA hard drive (Seagate ST3500630as) and
an expansion card (Adaptec 1210SA). I'm using Debian 3.1, kernel 2.4.27.
dmesg shows that the drive and the card are recognized properly (see below).

*SOLUTION*:
- booting from Knoppix 5.1 (kernel 2.6.19) showed my drive as
/dev/sda instead of /dev/hde. I am able to fdisk and mkfs it fine. It
made me think the problem was the kernel version.
- updating the kernel from 2.4.27 to 2.6.19 solved my problem.

*THINGS TRIED THAT DID NOT WORK*
- removing other cards (such as sound, off-board video, etc) to free up
IRQs, as per Adaptec personal support
- different PCI buses, as per Adaptec personal support
- different SATA cables [2]
- leaving more power available [1], unplugging other drives
- updating the computer BIOS [3]
- running Seagate Diagnostic Software (SeaTools) [4]; quick test showed
no errors
- updating the SATA card firmware [6]
- disabling DMA (and also Write Cache, SMART, Allow Read Ahead)
- disabling SATA card BIOS installation during boot-up
- Adaptec offers a proprietary driver for RedHat (7.3, 8.0) and Suse
(8.0, 8.1) only [7]. As I'm using Debian, it didn't help.


relevant dmesg output before the problem was fixed:
Adaptec AAR-1210SA: IDE controller at PCI slot 01:0a.0
PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 01:0a.0
PCI: Sharing IRQ 11 with 00:1f.2
Adaptec AAR-1210SA: chipset revision 2
Adaptec AAR-1210SA: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide2: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio
ide3: MMIO-DMA , BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio
hda: Maxtor 51536H2, ATA DISK drive
hdb: SAMSUNG SP0411N, ATA DISK drive
blk: queue d0825b60, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0x)
blk: queue d0825c9c, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0x)
hdc: _NEC DV-5700A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdd: MAXTOR 6L080L4, ATA DISK drive
blk: queue d08260f0, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask 0x)
hde: ST3500630AS, ATA DISK drive

[1]


[2] 

[3]


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Re: Debian update (xorg): re-enable rotation

2007-01-31 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Ulrich Scholz wrote:

Dear all,

I just upgraded Debian and switched from X86free to Xorg.  Now,
everything seems to work fine except that screen rotation is now
disabled.  How can I enable it again?





I guess you are talking KDE.


my /etc/X11/xorg.conf says





Option"RandRRotation"  ###




I have "1" instead of ###, is that the same?

I issue xrand -o left and the screen rotates.

Neater than canned beer!!!

But I have a 17" Samsung SyncMaster 750s CRT tube. Can you put that on 
it's side?


And now all the screens are cut off on the right. What is the way to fix 
that?


Hugo








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RE: Outlook clients and Linux Debian

2007-01-31 Thread Kevin Ross
> -Original Message-
> From: Hervé Piedvache [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:16 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Outlook clients and Linux Debian
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have at the office a part of Windows users using Outlook 
> ... others are 
> under Gnu/Linux Debian ... all the services (mail, files 
> server, printer 
> servers are under linux) ...
> My Outlook users would like to share their calendars ... in 
> fact when one make 
> an appointment in his calendar with another guy he wants to 
> know if the other 
> guy have or not an appointment at the same time ...
> For this the classical solution should be to add an exchange 
> server ... but 
> you might understand that I don't want to do this ...
> 
> What kind of solution could I find to this stuff under a Debian Linux 
> service ?
> 
> Thanks per advance for your answers ...
> -- 
> Bill

You could have a look at Zarafa (www.zarafa.com)

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Re: Best way to shrink Windows on new laptop?

2007-01-31 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 31 Jan 2007, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 04:15:25PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > On 31 Jan 2007, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > 
> > I failed to resize the Windows partition (Windows XP) with both the
> > Debian installer disk and qparted. They appeared to work but at the end
> > the partition was still the same size.
> 
> what exactly did it say? I've done this twice now very recently (using
> both sarge and etch installers) with 0 problems. It resized the
> partition smooth as could be (though it takes a while). It used to be
> that there were parts of the fs that were not moveable (swap files,
> essentially) and you had to turn off windows virtual memory and maybe
> do a defrag to get it to work, but I think those issues are all solved
> now. 
> 
> As I remember the process, you select the ntfs partition, resize it
> (it will prompt you with the minimum size), wait wait wait, and then
> you are presented with a new partitioning screen with lovely free
> space. How did your experience differ?
> 
> A

Nothing at all seemed to happen with the Debian installer. So I tried
with ntfsresize from Knoppix. This completed satisfactorily but the
partition was still the same size. It said I was next supposed to delete
and remake the partition with cfdisk, which I did. It was now the
correct size and type but Windows would no longer start.

So I restored Windows from the restore compartment and it's working
again, but of course it's now occupying the whole disk as before. 

I don't really understand how cfdisk is supposed to work with
ntfsresize. Perhaps I misunderstood the instructions. But I may have to
give up and just delete Windows completely.

AC

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Re: Mount information during boot.

2007-01-31 Thread Alan Chandler
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 20:40, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 07:52:59PM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 19:12, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 06:58:56PM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > > > The following text appears several times whilst booting.  Its
> > > > relatively new (for the last couple of months).  Any idea what
> > > > does it?  as it doesn't appear to be when the main filesystems
> > > > are mounted.  I am running Debian SID.
> > >
> > > [snipped mount usage info]
> > >
> > > do you have some stuff in your fstab that is out of date?
> >
> > like what?  only comments and filesystems that I want mounted - see
> > below
>
> [snipped perfectly good fstab]
>
> just a stab in the dark. shrug. what point in booting does this
> happen? is it before or after pivot-root?

Its afterwards.

The first record I have is just after the hardware clock is set

Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: Will now activate swap.
Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: swapon on /dev/sda2
Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: swapon on /dev/sdb2
Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: Done activating swap.
Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: /etc/rcS.d/S10checkroot.sh: line 
379: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs: No such file or directory
Wed Jan 31 18:52:45 2007: Setting the system clock..
Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007: System Clock set. Local time: Wed Jan 31 
18:52:47 GMT 2007.
Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007: Usage: mount -V : print 
version
Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007:mount -h : print this 
help
Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007:mount: list mounted 
filesystems
Wed Jan 31 18:52:47 2007:mount -l : idem, 
including volume labels
 ...




Then later some sort of cleanup

Wed Jan 31 18:52:55 2007: Cleaning /tmp...done.
Wed Jan 31 18:52:56 2007: Cleaning /var/run...done.
Wed Jan 31 18:52:56 2007: Cleaning /var/lock...done.
Wed Jan 31 18:52:56 2007: Usage: mount -V : print 
version
...






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Re: Boot logs ?

2007-01-31 Thread Frank McCormick
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"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 
> > Does Debian (Sarge testing) save COMPLETE boot logs anywhere?
> > Dmsg |
> 
> fwiw, Sarge is stable, Etch is testing.  Next testing (after Etch goes
> stable) is Lenny.

  So what am I running? - I installed Sarge, and picked the testing
repository. Am I now on Etch? Not that it matters to me. As you can see
I am new to Debian although I have been running its derivative Ubuntu.


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Re: Avidemux and monitor energy saver

2007-01-31 Thread Stephen Cormier
On January 31, 2007 04:27:22 pm Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After one avidemux session (Debian Sid), the screen saver and monitor
> energy saving features doesn't works.
>
> I can block the session (KDE) and the screensaver appears, but monitor
> never goes to power save mode.
>
> Someone knows ho to restore the monitor power save functions without close
> and open the X server?  Thanks :)

Right click on the desktop choose Configure Desktop then Display option next 
Power Control tab then I usually change the Standby setting up one click then 
back down and click on the Apply button. 

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mailx

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew
Hi everyone, I have configured exim4 and is using the Maildir format to
deliver messages.
Problem is, I can't get the simple mail (mailx) application to see this
Maildir format?



Anyone know how to do this?



Thanks

Andrew.

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Re: iceape: bookmarks do not scroll during drag-drop

2007-01-31 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

H.S. wrote:
When I try to drag a bookmark (from the URL bar) to the bookmarks folder 
with the mouse, the list of bookmarks does not scroll up as I move the 
mouse at the bottom of the list. On the other hand, if I am not 
'holding' a URL and position the mouse at the bottom of the bookmarks 
list, the list scrolls up properly. So the problem occurs only during 
the drag-drop action of a bookmark with the mouse. Is this a bug? I am 
using

ii  iceape-browser  1.0.7-2

on Debian Etch.

->HS




I believe (perhaps wrongly 8-) ) that the ice animal family made no 
changes in the described behavior.


I have this behavior in Firefox 2.0 and Seamonkey 1.0.5, so I think it 
is a "feature". But you ought to check bugzilla and see if the problem 
has been reported. That will take a while.


One of the reasons I changed to FF is that drag/drop in the bookmarks 
folder was always faulty. It still seems to be so.


Hugo


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Outlook clients and Linux Debian

2007-01-31 Thread Hervé Piedvache
Hi,

I have at the office a part of Windows users using Outlook ... others are 
under Gnu/Linux Debian ... all the services (mail, files server, printer 
servers are under linux) ...
My Outlook users would like to share their calendars ... in fact when one make 
an appointment in his calendar with another guy he wants to know if the other 
guy have or not an appointment at the same time ...
For this the classical solution should be to add an exchange server ... but 
you might understand that I don't want to do this ...

What kind of solution could I find to this stuff under a Debian Linux 
service ?

Thanks per advance for your answers ...
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Re: smartctl trackrecord

2007-01-31 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:19:18AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

Anyone using 'smartctl -t long ... ' actually ever encountered errors 
*before* they showed up in the logs as seek errors?


If so what did you do?



I thought I'd be smart (so to speak) and do a -t long just to see.  One
drive does fine with no problems, the other drive won't complete.  It
reports "aborted by host" with 90% remaining.

I asked both here and directly to the package maintainer but received no
reply.

Doug.




Based on you last post of that problem I am now doing a -t long every so 
often and always get no errors. But wondered how good that prevention 
actually is.


Hugo


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Re: resize2fs on LVM2 on hardware RAID5

2007-01-31 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 15:35 -0500, Drake Mobius wrote:
> of course, only use XFS with a very reliable and stable OS and power
> supply. Being non-journalled, and all. 

WHAT? Stop spreading lies.

XFS is and always has been Journalled. 

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-fs9.html


In terms of that, ReiserFS has worse reliability than XFS. 

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Dual head setup

2007-01-31 Thread Hans du Plooy
Hi guys,

I'm banging my head against this one - with little effect...

I just installed Etch on my workstation, which has a Radeon 7000 and two
Dell 19" LCD screens.  I'm trying to set up an extended desktop - sort of
need it that way to be able to work efficiently.

I followed various howtos and posts in the internet, and what I have now
seems to be what I'm supposed to have but I'm still getting just a cloned
display, and KDE doesn't give me the option to change anything (in Control
Center --> Peripherals --> Display).

Is there anything special I have to do - some package I forgot to install?
 Here is my config.

Thanks
Hans

# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
# path to defoma fonts
FontPath"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"bitmap"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xorg"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
Option  "XkbLayout" "gb"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "CorePointer"
Option  "Device""/dev/input/mice"
Option  "Protocol"  "ImPS/2"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Card1"
Driver  "radeon"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
VideoRam32768
Screen  0
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier  "Card2"
Driver  "radeon"
BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
VideoRam32768
Screen  1
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "DELL1"
Option  "DPMS"
HorizSync   31-83
VertRefresh 56-76
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "DELL2"
Option  "DPMS"
HorizSync   31-83
VertRefresh 56-76
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Screen1"
Device  "Card1"
Monitor "DELL1"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
Modes   "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier  "Screen2"
Device  "Card2"
Monitor "DELL2"
DefaultDepth24
SubSection "Display"
Depth   24
Modes   "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier  "Default Layout"
Screen  "Screen1"
Screen  "Screen2" LeftOf "Screen1"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
Option  "Xinerama" "on"
Option  "Clone" "off"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode0666
EndSection



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Re: Mount information during boot.

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 07:52:59PM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 January 2007 19:12, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 06:58:56PM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > > The following text appears several times whilst booting.  Its
> > > relatively new (for the last couple of months).  Any idea what does
> > > it?  as it doesn't appear to be when the main filesystems are
> > > mounted.  I am running Debian SID.
> >
> > [snipped mount usage info]
> >
> > do you have some stuff in your fstab that is out of date?
> like what?  only comments and filesystems that I want mounted - see 
> below

[snipped perfectly good fstab]

just a stab in the dark. shrug. what point in booting does this
happen? is it before or after pivot-root? 

A



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Re: Boot logs ?

2007-01-31 Thread s. keeling
Frank McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> Does Debian (Sarge testing) save COMPLETE boot logs anywhere? Dmsg |

fwiw, Sarge is stable, Etch is testing.  Next testing (after Etch goes
stable) is Lenny.


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