Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:50:17 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:19:02PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > 
> > 70MB is *huge* amount of data to install *only* to have a gui. IMHO
> > firestarter is only useful if you already have X installed, though
> > this is a bad idea on a server.
> 
> You could run X on another system.  People tend to forget that X is a 
> networked protocol.

But you still need parts of X installed on the server, err, client in X
speak.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: thunderbird: how to backup mailbox and restore quickly

[Cameron L. Spitzer]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Yuwen Dai wrote:
>[I wrote]
>> $ formail -s < mboxfile | procmail recipefile
>>
>> recipefile looks like this:
>>
>>   :0:
>>   * ^Received: .* myserver.example.net ;.* Dec 2006
>>   /home/me/December
> I created a similiar rc file like this:
>
>:0:
> * ^Received: .*;.*Nov 2006
> /tmp/November
>
> The expected file /tmp/November didn't create.

Maybe Procmail won't deliver in /tmp because everybody
can read and write there.
Maybe ^Received: .*;.*Nov 2006
doesn't match anything in the mail.
Test that with egrep.


> A very large file in
> /var/mail was created instead. Any idea?

That would be the default delivery.
Your procmail file should end with this

:0
/dev/null

to prevent that.



Cameron



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Re: vim like completion in bash?

[Steve Lamb]

cga2000 wrote:
> .. and as everybody will no doubt have noticed, ss/tt is one keystroke
> less than ss/*t* (not to mention the fact that the '*' is shifted and a
> little harder to reach).

Ok, and now to point out the other glaringly obvious part of this thread.
 Care to share how you got bash to do that, in detail, since obviously the OP
is missing some piece of information you've got?

*plunks tooth into the dish and puts down the bloody pliers*

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Steve Lamb]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 07:46:30PM -0800, Michael M. wrote:

[ snip some stats ]

>> Sure looks like socialized medicine is sucking there, huh?

> So what?  The US also has the highest levels of obesity in the world.  I
> *highly doubt* that even if the US happened to implement that absolute
> best model government healthcare it would change very much.  That is,
> beyond making people more dependent on government.

Eh, better point to raise is how much those stats are shifted upwards by
being able to get basic care in their socialized medicine while getting
advanced care going outside the system to a country that doesn't have it and
is able to provide advanced care on short notice.

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Re: relaying POP3

[Celejar]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:14:06 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Debian Users,
> 
> My favourite MUA has an implementation of POP3 
> which is not compatible with the POP3 of my ISP.  
> 
> Until I can fix POP3 in the MUA, I want my 
> home Debian router machine to fetch messages 
> from the ISP and deliver them by POP3 to my 
> workstation.

I have done this with the 'popa3d' pop server package.
 
> Currently fetchmail and exim get messages from 
> the ISP and put them in /var/mail/peter.  I can 
> read them with mutt.  What packages and 
> configurations are needed to allow forwarding 
> via POP3?

It's really as simple as can be; just install popa3d and AFAIR it
automatically makes the mail in the users' mailboxes
[e.g. /var/mail/username] available to pop clients.

Celejar

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Re: vim like completion in bash?

[cga2000]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 06:54:45PM EST, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Wayne Topa wrote:
> > zhengquan zhang([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> >> Hello:
> >> I can :e *doc* in vim, pressing tab and it can help me find the document I
> >> need,
> >> but in bash if I use vi *doc* and press tab, nothing would happen, it can
> >> not find the file I want to edit
> >> Is there any switches to make it possible?
> >> Thank you.
> 
> >> zhang
> 
> > I am running testing with vim 7.0-122+1. 
> 
> > ls WiFi
> > ./  ../  Dlink_DWL-G520  Linksys_wireless  Lucent-WavLan-Gold
> > MAC_addr  Netgear_WPN311
> 
> > vim WiFi/WA
> > yields
> > vim WiFi/MAC_addr
> 
> But that's not what he's asking for.  He's asking for *foo*, note the
> double stars.  So a better example would be:
> 
> vim WiFi/*Wav* 
> 
> turning into...
> 
> vim WiFi/Lucent-WavLan-Gold

$ mkdir ss
$ touch ss/tt ss/uu
$ vim ss/*t* +/* results in  */
$ vim ss/tt

$ rm -rf ss

.. and as everybody will no doubt have noticed, ss/tt is one keystroke
less than ss/*t* (not to mention the fact that the '*' is shifted and a
little harder to reach).

Thanks,
cga


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Re: Audio recording hardware

[Russell L. Harris]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070304 22:42]:
> 
> It *is* religion.

Dear People!  Kindly edit out my name and address the next time you
quote the message in question.  The way the message is being quoted
makes it appear that I am promoting the degaussing of CDs.  

But in fact, I several rounds of postings back denounced the practice
as voodoo, which is a religion.

Thanks,
RLH


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Re: [gdm-list] xdm doesn't run thru the gdm??

[Brian Cameron]

abdelkader belahcene wrote:

Refer to section 5.2.3 of the docs for information about configuring
XDMCP:

  http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.16/configuration.html

Note Enable=false by default, so you need to turn it on if you want
it to work.  You can also configure by running gdmsetup as root
and change the XDMCP settings there.

Brian



The following doesn't exit at all on previous version, on sarge
(debian) I used last year, but it on the current version etch
(debian).

the problem is:
I have a serveur running the standard etch (debian ) with gnome, I
configured the Login window and check (activate) the XDMCP.  My server
is not visible from a remote client.
Is there a new thing in gdm or gnome ( or in debian ???) which can
stop the Xdmcp protocol ??

I did same procedure on previous release, without problem!

I don't know if it is a gnome problem ( because I noticed same problem
with Fedora 5)  or debian problem.

thanks for help
best regards
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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/04/07 22:16, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 07:04:13PM -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> If we do go socialistic this nation will have abandoned what made it
>>> great.  I hope you do notice that the further we move toward socialism
>>> the more our country has declined in both moral fiber and in respect by
>>> the rest of the world.  We became great because anyone had a chance to
>>> work and make it on their own, not by promising everyone that the state
>>> would run every aspect of their lives.  In fact, immigrants came here
>>> because they state didn't interfere with their lives.  
>>
>> Being rom the rest of the world, I have been losing respect for the
>> United States because it fails to ensure a minimum standard of living
>> for its people, and sends out armies to interfere in how the rest of
>> the world runs its lives.
>>   
> I am from the U.S., Hendrik, but I am with you on both counts.  I could
> certainly do with a few less invasions of other countries and spending
> that time, effort, and money on improving things for the citizens of our
> own country.

Or... they could get off their butts, get an education and improve
their own lives.

> 

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/04/07 21:59, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 07:46:30PM -0800, Michael M. wrote:
>> On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 14:34 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Or a Brit needing an operation for which there is a very long
>>> waiting list because of NHS inefficiencies?
>> Life Expectancy at birth (years):
>>  U.S. E.U. U.K. Canada
>> Male:75.0275.1076.0976.86
>> Female:  80.82 81.6081.1383.74
>> Total:   77.8578.3078.5480.22
>>
>> Infant Mortality Rate (per 1000 live births)
>>  U.S. E.U. U.K. Canada
>> Male:7.09 5.60 5.67 5.15
>> Female:  5.74 4.50 4.47 4.22
>> Total:   6.43 5.10 5.08 4.69
>>
>> Sure looks like socialized medicine is sucking there, huh?
>>
>> I guess conservatives in the U.S. are only concerned about a the life
>> cycle of fetus until a baby is born, after which it's fine by them if
>> the baby dies, as long as the dreaded spectre of "Universal Health Care"
>> is kept at bay.
>>
> So what?  The US also has the highest levels of obesity in the world.  I
> *highly doubt* that even if the US happened to implement that absolute

And don't forget the poor illegal immigrants, and the fat poor
people.  And the women too stupid to take care of themselves during
pregnancy, and the people who think that vaccines are a a Jewish (or
is that Whitey, I keep forgetting) conspiracy to sterilize black people.




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Re: Bio-Based Fuels

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/04/07 17:30, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:49:53 -0500, Greg wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 14:56 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:38:49PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
 On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
> 
> ..all this because Muslim style no-interest-rate share-the-profits
> kinda capitalism is superior to Western interest rate capitalism in
> democracies, once you have competent investors and demand for
> industrially competent media rather than the current crop of
> Britney-hair-doo chasers.
> 
[snip]
> 
> ..this also shows the one important exception to the rule Muslim
> Capitalism is better for Mankind, the average investor will suffer 

Well... the Muslim world sure *does* seem so superior to The West.

Thus begs the question: when are *you* moving southeast?





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Re: Audio recording hardware

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/04/07 21:07, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:28:57 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>>
>> On 03/01/07 13:31, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:11:04 -0600
>>> "Russell L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070228 18:21]:
[snip]
>>> For all you non-believers (sorry, too much religion in recent
>>> threads) here is a similar article:
>>>
>>> http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/furutech/rd2.html
>> Just because some some snob audiophile says we must degauss
>> *optical*  media in order to get "realm of gestalt" better sound,
>> doesn't mean it's true.
> 
> ..and this is not religion how?   ;o)

It *is* religion.

> 

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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/04/07 20:25, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:10:35 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
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>> On 02/25/07 16:30, Steve Lamb wrote:
>>> Michael Pobega wrote:
 Everyone has their own belief, and let it be that way.
>>> I'd rather not.  Personally when someone is showing signs of
>>> being
>>> delusional in public I think it is better to confront them at their
>>> aberrant behavior for their own safety and the safety of others.
>> I understand your compunction, but it won't help, and will only
>> inflame.
> 
> .._amen_ to that, look at W and the US.  ;o)

Bashing W at every turn makes you look *really* juvenile.

> 

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Marc Shapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 07:04:13PM -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote:

  

If we do go socialistic this nation will have abandoned what made it
great.  I hope you do notice that the further we move toward socialism
the more our country has declined in both moral fiber and in respect by
the rest of the world.  We became great because anyone had a chance to
work and make it on their own, not by promising everyone that the state
would run every aspect of their lives.  In fact, immigrants came here
because they state didn't interfere with their lives.  



Being rom the rest of the world, I have been losing respect for the 
United States because it fails to ensure a minimum standard of living 
for its people, and sends out armies to interfere in how the rest of the 
world runs its lives.
  
I am from the U.S., Hendrik, but I am with you on both counts.  I could 
certainly do with a few less invasions of other countries and spending 
that time, effort, and money on improving things for the citizens of our 
own country.


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 07:46:30PM -0800, Michael M. wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 14:34 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Or a Brit needing an operation for which there is a very long
> > waiting list because of NHS inefficiencies?
> 
> Life Expectancy at birth (years):
>  U.S. E.U. U.K. Canada
> Male:75.0275.1076.0976.86
> Female:  80.82  81.6081.1383.74
> Total:   77.8578.3078.5480.22
> 
> Infant Mortality Rate (per 1000 live births)
>  U.S. E.U. U.K. Canada
> Male:7.09 5.60 5.67 5.15
> Female:  5.74 4.50 4.47 4.22
> Total:   6.43 5.10 5.08 4.69
> 
> Sure looks like socialized medicine is sucking there, huh?
> 
> I guess conservatives in the U.S. are only concerned about a the life
> cycle of fetus until a baby is born, after which it's fine by them if
> the baby dies, as long as the dreaded spectre of "Universal Health Care"
> is kept at bay.
> 
So what?  The US also has the highest levels of obesity in the world.  I
*highly doubt* that even if the US happened to implement that absolute
best model government healthcare it would change very much.  That is,
beyond making people more dependent on government.

Of course, you can choose to continue to ignore the people who point out
things like how long "beneficiaries" of government healthcare have to
wait for things like surgeries.  Because, you know, I'd rather live an
extra year longer laid up in bed because I had to wait two years for a
hip replacement, instead of getting the hip replacement in 4 weeks and
dying a year earlier.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Michael M.]

On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 14:34 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

> 
> Or a Brit needing an operation for which there is a very long
> waiting list because of NHS inefficiencies?

Life Expectancy at birth (years):
 U.S. E.U. U.K. Canada
Male:75.0275.1076.0976.86
Female:  80.8281.6081.1383.74
Total:   77.8578.3078.5480.22

Infant Mortality Rate (per 1000 live births)
 U.S. E.U. U.K. Canada
Male:7.09 5.60 5.67 5.15
Female:  5.74 4.50 4.47 4.22
Total:   6.43 5.10 5.08 4.69

Sure looks like socialized medicine is sucking there, huh?

I guess conservatives in the U.S. are only concerned about a the life
cycle of fetus until a baby is born, after which it's fine by them if
the baby dies, as long as the dreaded spectre of "Universal Health Care"
is kept at bay.


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Freddy Freeloader]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 07:04:13PM -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote:

  

If we do go socialistic this nation will have abandoned what made it
great.  I hope you do notice that the further we move toward socialism
the more our country has declined in both moral fiber and in respect by
the rest of the world.  We became great because anyone had a chance to
work and make it on their own, not by promising everyone that the state
would run every aspect of their lives.  In fact, immigrants came here
because they state didn't interfere with their lives.  



Being rom the rest of the world, I have been losing respect for the 
United States because it fails to ensure a minimum standard of living 
for its people, and sends out armies to interfere in how the rest of the 
world runs its lives.


-- hendrik


  


What does your personal internal paradigm have to do with how we 
Americans think our government should act, and what we perceive to be 
the best form of government for ourselves?  That's about as irrelevant 
as me telling you how Sweden should be run.


Should I be telling everyone on this mailing list that I think Sweden's 
form of government is ludicrous and that I long ago lost respect for it, 
and its people, because it basically takes 75% of its citizens earnings 
as taxes and has created a citizenry that dependent on their government 
and sucks off the government's teat rather than being responsible for 
themselves? 



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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:09:43PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Being rom the rest of the world, I have been losing respect for the 
> United States because it fails to ensure a minimum standard of living 
> for its people, and sends out armies to interfere in how the rest of the 
> world runs its lives.
> 
See, and I have been losing respect for the rest of world for
interfering too much in people's daily lives and sitting idly by (or
providing only token participation) while the US protects them and
renders massive aid to the victims of natural disaster.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[hendrik]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 07:04:13PM -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote:

> If we do go socialistic this nation will have abandoned what made it
> great.  I hope you do notice that the further we move toward socialism
> the more our country has declined in both moral fiber and in respect by
> the rest of the world.  We became great because anyone had a chance to
> work and make it on their own, not by promising everyone that the state
> would run every aspect of their lives.  In fact, immigrants came here
> because they state didn't interfere with their lives.  

Being rom the rest of the world, I have been losing respect for the 
United States because it fails to ensure a minimum standard of living 
for its people, and sends out armies to interfere in how the rest of the 
world runs its lives.

-- hendrik


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separating x client from x server (was: Firestarter VS Shorewall)

[hendrik]

On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 02:51:48AM +0100, Andreas Duffner wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >You could run X on another system.  People tend to forget that X is a 
> >networked protocol.
> 
> mmm. I am not sure we are talking about the same thing.
> If yes.. then I'd like to learn how to do it the other way.
> 
> But to be sure I will tell how I see it. If you still think otherways,
> please point me to some docu. Or at least say so. That would be cool.
> 
> 
> What I think, how it is (not sure though)
> To export the display of a program you need
> a running X-Server at the computer where the display will
> point to.

Right,

> And where the program runs,

You don't need an X server where the program runs.  The X server is the 
thing that provides the display.

> you need some X-files
> (no, not the ones with the small grey things from ufos),
> some stuff from X, too.
> 
> That is the reason why I talk about ca. 70 MB.
> FireStarter is small. But to start the gui, the
> system wants some other files.
> At least, I thought so until now.
> 
> When I say "apt-get install firestarter" it will
> get firestart + needed files.
> And if I have no X related files there, it starts to
> download lots of them.
> 
> Do I understand you right, that I do not have to
> download these X-files, if I intend to export the display
> to another computer ?
> 
> That would be really nice.

That's right.  The program you're running *is* the X client, and 
it needs an X server to display its stuff on.  Usually it uses the 
DISPLAY environment variable to find it.

I used to do this all the time in my full-time job circa 1990.  I had my 
program, the window manager, and the display all running on different 
machines.

However, since then people have become much more paranoid about 
security, and now there a hoops you have to jump through to break down 
the security barriers to get this to work.

Can anyone enlighten me about the details of doing this on a closed LAN 
where there are no particular security problems?

One way that is apparently compatible with today's paranoia appears to 
be to use an option on ssh (I believe it's ssh -X) to get ssh to carry 
the X protocol.  I'm not sure of the details, except that it appears to 
require configuration on both the client and server side.

-- hendrik


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Greg Folkert]

On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 16:43 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:08:40PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 07:44:06PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > > Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > > Totalitarianism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive, but neither is
> > > any
> > > > other economic and political model combination.  Correlation without
> > > causation.
> > > 
> > > They're not mutually exclusive because they are the same.  Personal
> > > liberty is economic liberty!  You can't have one without the other.  Any
> > > political movement which curtails economic liberty is directly
> > > curtailing personal liberty.
> > > 
> > Stop it Steve your going to make the liberals' heads explode and we
> > might lose a significant number of contributors to the list :-)
> > 
> 
> ka-pow!

What was that? A paradigm shift without a clutch?
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Re: Audio recording hardware

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:28:57 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
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> On 03/01/07 13:31, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:11:04 -0600
> > "Russell L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070228 18:21]:
>  I remember reading an article in a German audiophile magazine
>  about a device to demagnetize CDs. The author claimed the sound
>  to be much better after demagnetizing.
> >>> Demagnetize something that relies on lasers?
> >> With a mass-produced CD, there is nothing to degauss.  A reflective
> >> layer of aluminum is deposited on a plastic substrate.
> >>
> > > Are you sure the article wasn't talking about the realm of
> > > analogue tape?  Magnetic tape playback heads tend to become
> > > slightly magnetized with use, so that periodic demagnetizing is
> > > necessary. This is somewhat akin to the need for periodic
> > > degaussing of a CRT.  But since the introduction of ferrite heads,
> > > this may no longer be a problem.
> > 
> > For all you non-believers (sorry, too much religion in recent
> > threads) here is a similar article:
> > 
> > http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/furutech/rd2.html
> 
> Just because some some snob audiophile says we must degauss
> *optical*  media in order to get "realm of gestalt" better sound,
> doesn't mean it's true.

..and this is not religion how?   ;o)

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Freddy Freeloader]

On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 09:55 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> > Paul Johnson wrote:
> >> Totalitarianism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive, but neither is
> > any
> >> other economic and political model combination.  Correlation without
> > causation.
> > 
> > They're not mutually exclusive because they are the same.  Personal
> > liberty is economic liberty!  You can't have one without the other.  Any
> > political movement which curtails economic liberty is directly
> > curtailing personal liberty.
> 
> We'll see if you keep saying that next time you need an operation not
> covered by private health insurance.
> 
> 
> 

I have no health insurance and have had no medical care for more than 3
years while undergoing chronic pain.  However, I'm still in favor of
private insurance and medical care.  I would hate to see this country go
socialistic to the level of Europe, Great Britain, and Sweden.  If we do
we will be paying as much for gas as they are, much higher income tax
rates, and with much higher hidden taxes than we have now.  

If we do go socialistic this nation will have abandoned what made it
great.  I hope you do notice that the further we move toward socialism
the more our country has declined in both moral fiber and in respect by
the rest of the world.  We became great because anyone had a chance to
work and make it on their own, not by promising everyone that the state
would run every aspect of their lives.  In fact, immigrants came here
because they state didn't interfere with their lives.  


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Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

[John Hasler]

Andreas writes:
> Do I understand you right, that I do not have to download these X-files,
> if I intend to export the display to another computer ?

You need some libraries but no X-server.  Firestarter 1.0.3-1.3
dependencies:

libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), 
libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libavahi-client3 (>= 0.6.13), 
libavahi-common3 (>= 0.6.10), libavahi-glib1 (>= 0.6.12), 
libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.13.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), 
libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3, 
libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), 
libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), 
libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2), libglade2-0 (>=1:2.5.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), 
libgnome-keyring0 (>= 0.4.3), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.14.1), 
libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.13.0), 
libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.13.92), libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0),
libgpg-error0 (>= 1.2), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0),
libjpeg62, liborbit2 (>= 1:2.10.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.3), 
libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libpopt0 (>= 1.10), libsm6, 
libtasn1-3 (>= 0.3.4), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, 
libxfixes3, libxi6, libxinerama1, libxml2 (>= 2.6.26), libxrandr2, 
libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2), 
iptables (>= 1.2.11), gksu (>= 0.8.5)

All that to edit a few text files?  Amazing.
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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:10:35 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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> On 02/25/07 16:30, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Michael Pobega wrote:
> >> Everyone has their own belief, and let it be that way.
> > 
> > I'd rather not.  Personally when someone is showing signs of
> > being
> > delusional in public I think it is better to confront them at their
> > aberrant behavior for their own safety and the safety of others.
> 
> I understand your compunction, but it won't help, and will only
> inflame.

.._amen_ to that, look at W and the US.  ;o)

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Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 02:51:48AM +0100, Andreas Duffner wrote:
> 
> Do I understand you right, that I do not have to
> download these X-files, if I intend to export the display
> to another computer ?
> 
> That would be really nice.
> 
You need the xbase-clients package at a very minimum.  You ssh in to the
machine using the -X commandline option (or the "ForwardX11 Yes" option
in your client configuration) and then run the application, it should
simply display back to your local workstation.

Regards,

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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:08:02AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:27:28 -0500
> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:06:45AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:36:08 -0500
> > > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hence, with a discincentive for the big airlines to improve we are
> > > > dealing with declining levels of service (remember when they
> > > > actually used to serve meals on 4+ hour long flights) and
> > > > increasing
> > > 
> > > In Europe meals are served even on flights less then 2 hours.
> > > 
> > Right, but is the cost of airfare comparable?  I just punched in to
> > travelocity for Miami to Atlanta with no date restrictions.  Fares
> > range from $163.00 to $441.50.  What would a similar flight cost in
> > Europe?
> 
> Are you talking about total price? (total price = fare + taxes). Are
> these low-cost carriers? And it can vary a lot if there are direct
> flights or not.
> 
I looked it up on travelocity, and so I think it is showing the total
price.  These are not low-cost carriers.  They are Delta, American
Airlines, Continental, United and a couple of others.

> I will look it up tomorrow and will come back with some price
> comparisons.
> 
> > > > inconveniences (how many more bags are lost today compared to the
> > > > past).
> > > 
> > > This should be the result of increasing passenger figures and more
> > > complicated (as in time consuming) security measures.
> > > 
> > Except that the security measures (for baggage) are no more complex
> > than they were in the past.  Besides, everything is computerized now.
> 
> AFAIK in Europe bags are now scanned (again) at transfer points. This
> increases the chances of bags not being transferred on time (which is
> by far the main reason for delayed bags).
> 
Hmmm.  I was not aware of that.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

[Andreas Duffner]

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You could run X on another system.  People tend to forget that X is a 
networked protocol.


mmm. I am not sure we are talking about the same thing.
If yes.. then I'd like to learn how to do it the other way.

But to be sure I will tell how I see it. If you still think otherways,
please point me to some docu. Or at least say so. That would be cool.


What I think, how it is (not sure though)
To export the display of a program you need
a running X-Server at the computer where the display will
point to.
And where the program runs,
you need some X-files
(no, not the ones with the small grey things from ufos),
some stuff from X, too.

That is the reason why I talk about ca. 70 MB.
FireStarter is small. But to start the gui, the
system wants some other files.
At least, I thought so until now.

When I say "apt-get install firestarter" it will
get firestart + needed files.
And if I have no X related files there, it starts to
download lots of them.

Do I understand you right, that I do not have to
download these X-files, if I intend to export the display
to another computer ?

That would be really nice.

Cu,
Andreas


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[s. keeling]

Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> > Paul Johnson wrote:
> >> Totalitarianism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive, but neither is
> > any
> >> other economic and political model combination.  Correlation without
> > causation.
> > 
> > They're not mutually exclusive because they are the same.  Personal
> > liberty is economic liberty!  You can't have one without the other.  Any
> > political movement which curtails economic liberty is directly
> > curtailing personal liberty.
> 
>  We'll see if you keep saying that next time you need an operation not
>  covered by private health insurance.

Uh huh.  Move to Canada.  Need a hip replacemnt?  Six to eighteen
months wait, tops.  Catscan?  A year and a half, assuming you don't
get bumped by higher priority cases.

You're dreaming.

Socialism doesn't work for the guy on the street.


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Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

[hendrik]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:19:02PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> 
> 70MB is *huge* amount of data to install *only* to have a gui. IMHO
> firestarter is only useful if you already have X installed, though this
> is a bad idea on a server.

You could run X on another system.  People tend to forget that X is a 
networked protocol.

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Re: [SOLVED] linux-image-2.6-486 vs. linux-image -2.6-

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:40:06AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> 
> I.ve updated 
> http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian?highlight=%28USB%29
> to reflect the fact that you can install and run a Debian Stock Kernel 
> from USB disk but as of this date you must change the initrd image 
> generated with initramfs-tools by changing the local script to extend 
> the default wait. Also as of date the 'rootdelay' option does not work. 
> In the future maybe it will.
> 

hey Hugo, congrats on working that out. I've been leaving your emails
"unread" with the intention of getting som etime to help ... good job.

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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 05:09:23PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 01:47:15PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > 
> > just to put it out there, another way to look at that stat:
> > 
> > assuming 2 trips per work day for commuting, that is 1,327,822,650
> > work round trips per year or 5,311,291 man/years of work commuting or
> > 28% of commutes. Obviously there are huge assumptions (including the
> > idea that all 18million people commute to work). No matter how you
> > slice it, though, it is actually a significant portion of the regional
> > transportation. Whether that is a "success" or not is debatable, but
> > I think you'd have to agree that putting that many trips back onto the
> > highways and surface streets would be a problem. 
> > 
> You are absolutely right.  I am just tired of the "public transportation
> will fix everything" statements.  It is a huge accomplishment.  However,
> NYC and Chicago represent the absolute *best* in US public
> transportation.  Everything after them is on a steep slope to
> insignificance.  If you consider the cost to tax payers, most cities'
> public transportation is a collosal waste of money.
> 

agreed. phew. 

;-)

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Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

[Andreas Duffner]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

Andrei Popescu wrote:

I use ssh with X11 forwarding to manage the firewall.

With firestarter? How?

[snip X11 forwarding stuff]

If *that* isn't shooting a fly with a canon, than I don't know what
is.


[snip rant against console users]


You *really* do not read what others write ?
Just *read* it.
I do *not* rant against console users.
I *do* use the console.

Is it to complicated for you to understand, that
someone DOES use the console but DOES also
use the gui if the gui is easier in *his* opinion.

And please no senseless comments about
how easy this or that is.
If something is easier for me, then it *is* easier for me.

Please do not lie about my messages.

I DO NOT RANT AGAINST CONSOLE USERS !

Ok ? got it ? Really ?
if not.. read it again. and again and again.


I really have to say that my last message was
not really to discuss something. You just wrote silly stuff.
If I write how to use a gui program via
ssh and you write about "shooting with canon",
then you did not get it.
It is supposed to be used that way.
Why do you think is the gui behaving that way ?
Why do X-Servers exist ?
Why not do it the windows way ?
Do you ever *think* ?



"IMHO firestarter is only useful if you already have X installed"


Ok.
So you have a desktop without X ?
Or what ?
Do you really try to tell me that any admin will
admin his servers from a pc without a desktop ?
Are you ... ..
No. I will not use such words.
But really. I dont think you are worth to talk to.
I will now start looking if my programm can filter users.


If this is a multi-purpose machine which already runs X for some reason
then no problem, but having X installed on the firewall/router just for
configuration purposes is bad security practice.


That is nonsense.
Did you understand what I told about ssh ?
Do you want to tell me, that ssh is unsecure ?

Ok. it is late at night. But I *really* need a filter for your messages...

Hopefully I will not ever read anything about you.





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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:05:25PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:14:59 -0800
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > You can claim a duck is really a chicken, but that doesn't stop that
> > it's really a duck.
> 
> Wow, you win! I can not possibly beat *this* argument.
> 

quack.

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:08:40PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 07:44:06PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> > Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > Totalitarianism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive, but neither is
> > any
> > > other economic and political model combination.  Correlation without
> > causation.
> > 
> > They're not mutually exclusive because they are the same.  Personal
> > liberty is economic liberty!  You can't have one without the other.  Any
> > political movement which curtails economic liberty is directly
> > curtailing personal liberty.
> > 
> Stop it Steve your going to make the liberals' heads explode and we
> might lose a significant number of contributors to the list :-)
> 

ka-pow!

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Cybe R. Wizard]

Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:22:55 -0600, Cybe wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:19:03PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > >I heard the US switched to the metric system some time ago, and
> > > > >that the inch is now *defined* as 2.54 cm as a transition
> > > > >measure.
> > > > >  
> > > > Which is a mouthful when pointing out to my young son a "2.54
> > > > centimeter worm" while we're out exploring in the back meter (me
> > > > wearing my Texan 40-liter hat) 
> > > > 
> > > I thought it'd be closer to a 38-liter hat.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > -Roberto
> > 
> > You can't say, "38," in Texas without being thought of as the one
> > who can't handle the big guns.
> 
> ..so what happens if it turns out to be a 45 liter hat?  ;o)
> 
That's suitably big for rattlesnakes and other small varmints.
Anything over 40 (cal.) is manly enough in general.  45.70 is good for a
long gun.

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Re: initramfs-tools fixed (maybe) --- how to resume install?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 08:58:09AM -0600, Charles Blair wrote:
>I am trying to install debian (testing) on a machine that
> has Windows XP.  I downloaded and booted the first .iso image
> (weekly build as of Feb 28).  Partitoning and other steps
> seem to have worked properly.
> 
> When I started the "install the base system", things seemed
> ok until just after I was prompted for a kernel choice (I took
> the default).  I then got a message that errors occurred while
> trying to install initramfs-tools.
> 
> I downloaded initramfs-tools-0.85e_all.deb using the windows
> part of the machine (I have a working wireless setup there),
> transferred it to the debian part (using mount), and typed
> 
> dpkg --install (initramfs...).deb
> 
> The response leads me to hope that this worked:
> 
> >unpacking...
> >setting up...
> >update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-3-486

from what system did you do this little install of initramfsdeb?
Did you boot the new debian system? or did you boot the install cd
into rescue mode? 


> 
>I'm not sure what to do next.  I would like to continue with
> the rest of the installation process (especially the automatic
> graphics install).  I'm concerned that if I simply boot from
> the CD, it will take me back to the beginning of the process,
> possibly undoing the now-working (I hope) intramfs.

I *think* you might be able to just boot the new debian system and
just run tasksel --new-install.

This assumes that there is a boot loader installed already etc.

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OT: Linux Interview Questions

[Deboo ^]

Hello,
I have some Sysadmin interviews coming up soon, so I thought
the best place to ask for some sample Linux questions would be this
mailing list.

Can some of you post some Linux questions in general and also about
Debian? May be with short answers but that's not necessary. If I can
get a big list of questions, I'll try to get answers and the more
confident I will be.

Please also post tricky and troubleshooting questions.

Regards,
Deboo


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MAKEDEV Question

[Thomas H. George]

My new box has a cdrw drive and a dvdrw drive but there are no entries 
for these devices in /dev. 

My old box has similar devices and there are entries for them in /dev 
and they are both soft links to scd0.  There are also entries for hdc 
and hdd which is reasonable as these devices are master and slave on ide1. 

In  the new box the dvdrw and cdrw drives are also master and slave on 
ide1.  /dev ./MAKEDEV -n hdc indicates it would make hdc and hdc1 
through hdc24 in /dev/.static/dev and ./MAKEDEV -n scd0 indicates it 
would make scd0 and a soft link from sr0 to scd0.


What is the proper way to add these devices (BIOS knows they are there) 
so I can add them to fstab and mount CD's loaded in them?


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Re: vim like completion in bash?

[Steve Lamb]

Wayne Topa wrote:
> zhengquan zhang([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
>> Hello:
>> I can :e *doc* in vim, pressing tab and it can help me find the document I
>> need,
>> but in bash if I use vi *doc* and press tab, nothing would happen, it can
>> not find the file I want to edit
>> Is there any switches to make it possible?
>> Thank you.

>> zhang

> I am running testing with vim 7.0-122+1. 

> ls WiFi
> ./  ../  Dlink_DWL-G520  Linksys_wireless  Lucent-WavLan-Gold
> MAC_addr  Netgear_WPN311

> vim WiFi/WA
> yields
> vim WiFi/MAC_addr

But that's not what he's asking for.  He's asking for *foo*, note the
double stars.  So a better example would be:

vim WiFi/*Wav* 

turning into...

vim WiFi/Lucent-WavLan-Gold




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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:22:55 -0600, Cybe wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:19:03PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >I heard the US switched to the metric system some time ago, and
> > > >that the inch is now *defined* as 2.54 cm as a transition
> > > >measure.
> > > >  
> > > Which is a mouthful when pointing out to my young son a "2.54
> > > centimeter worm" while we're out exploring in the back meter (me
> > > wearing my Texan 40-liter hat) 
> > > 
> > I thought it'd be closer to a 38-liter hat.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > -Roberto
> 
> You can't say, "38," in Texas without being thought of as the one who
> can't handle the big guns.

..so what happens if it turns out to be a 45 liter hat?  ;o)

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Re: update-initramfs question

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 04:29:24PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I run this:
> >
> >~Sun Mar 04-13:57:19SDA6# update-initramfs -u
> >
> >and I get:
> >
> >/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 does not exist. Cannot update.
> >
> >That happens to be true. (Surprise!)
> >
> >But how does he know that initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 is the 'newest 
> >kernel' as the man-page has it?
> >
> >uname -r has: 2.6.20-ck1
> 
> Because /sbin/update-initramfs is a script and looks at the initrd.img 
> link in / which pointed to a nonexisting initrd image.
> 
> Apparently 'newest kernel' means 'the kernel whose symlink is pointed to 
> in /.
> 

ah! good info, thanks

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Re: vim like completion in bash?

[Wayne Topa]

zhengquan zhang([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Hello:
> I can :e *doc* in vim, pressing tab and it can help me find the document I
> need,
> but in bash if I use vi *doc* and press tab, nothing would happen, it can
> not find the file I want to edit
> Is there any switches to make it possible?
> Thank you.
> 
> zhang

I am running testing with vim 7.0-122+1. 

ls WiFi
./  ../  Dlink_DWL-G520  Linksys_wireless  Lucent-WavLan-Gold
MAC_addr  Netgear_WPN311

vim WiFi/WA
yields
vim WiFi/MAC_addr

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Re: Bio-Based Fuels

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:49:53 -0500, Greg wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 14:56 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:38:49PM -0500, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 16:22 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > Bio-fuels *are* a great idea.
> > > > 
> > > > Until you realize *how much* gasoline & diesel this country uses
> > > > (then add 3x more to that for the rest of the world), and the
> > > > fact that stuff like corn ethanol needs lots of (*petrolem*
> > > > based) fertilizer.
> > > > 
> > > > (However, sugar cane ethanol in Brazil is a *great* idea,
> > > > because of cane's higher sugar density, Brazil's proximity to
> > > > the equator and lower population).
> > > 
> > > Based on things I have researched and processing systems I have
> > > seen and actually went through the motions of getting the
> > > nitty-gritty on.
> > > 
> > > Algae based Bio-Diesel. 110,000 square miles of "useless desert"
> > > flooded with salt water and seeded with a certain algae... would
> > > supply enough Biofuel for all vehicles (provided all current
> > > vehicles were converted to diesel) in the US with about a 25%
> > > energy return on energy used to process it and transport to
> > > filling centers.
> > 
> > there is an algae that supposedly has something like 80% "oil"
> > content as that is what makes it float. is this the same stuff? 
> 
> There is more than one kind, but yes. They are ~80% "Bio-oil". More
> oil than any other plant. And they grow like an aggressive virus in a
> susceptible sick host.

..ouch, a CO2 sink that can help fix the green house heatup problem, 
"we can't have that."

> Basically there is about a 5-7 month ramp up. By the time you harvest
> all of the area, you should probably should have started 6 months ago.
> 
> We are talking an HUGE up-front cost... and lots of lobbying from Big
> Oil and conservationists and so on. If big oil were to realize the
> payback and how quickly it would work. The conservationist should have
> bigger fish to fry, but they won't.

..very true, BTDT, only in thermochemical gasification.

..now, it looks like the quickest and probably best way is let the
Muslims deliver spank Hezbollah style.   
I will have to see W and crew dangle from nooses like Saddam and Israel
leave the Middle East on EU funding for Alaska, Utah or Sirbiria, and
in full compliance to the full 4 Geneva Conventions,_ before_ _I_ will
believe in "quartet peace talks" there.  

..only _after_ I see this, will I be able to thruthfully tell Muslims
"they do not need nukes."  Meanwhile, they need to defend themselves.
This is because white man has proven himself a _very_ capable genocider.

..the root cause is not that the "UN gave Israel to the Jews".  
The root cause is the UN stole it from the (mostly Muslim) Filistinians,
and covered up this fact by calling it "Palestine" to deny the people
there their lawful right to their own home, "where are the Palestinians
in the holy Bible?".  

..all this because Muslim style no-interest-rate share-the-profits
kinda capitalism is superior to Western interest rate capitalism in
democracies, once you have competent investors and demand for
industrially competent media rather than the current crop of
Britney-hair-doo chasers.

..point in case, Greg, you wanna ask your investor "I have an idea, you
have the money to make it work.  Can we create a profitable business?"
To answer that, he will have to find out what the hell your idea really
is and what it can do, and figure out what kinda deal he can offer you. 
And if you don't like it, you will take your business, elsewhere.

..this also shows the one important exception to the rule Muslim
Capitalism is better for Mankind, the average investor will suffer 
when he can no longer just rely on Microsoft Excel, he will have 
to work a lot harder to earn a lot less, as all the micro etc upwards 
finance markets mature.  
All you need is peace, justice, freedom of speech and 
a coupla decades to mature this kinda capitalism.

..the Current UN Fix:  Steal and rename a country, then 
trick an old foe into gas and scare the Jews "home."
Always, always, always follow the money.

..and comes from a citizen of a country which profits 
like _crazy_ from these war crimes.

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pdsmi+ linux

[impek]

Hello
i finally success to install debian with the "test/etch" version.
But  the networks card cause problem :
e1000_clean_tx_irq: Detected Tx Unit Hang
The network card keep disconnecting.

I see a lot of people have that problem :
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=e1000_clean_tx_irq%3A+Detected+Tx+Unit+Hang&meta=

I think we can say the PDSMI+ is not working with Linux today.


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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:27:28 -0500
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:06:45AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:36:08 -0500
> > "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hence, with a discincentive for the big airlines to improve we are
> > > dealing with declining levels of service (remember when they
> > > actually used to serve meals on 4+ hour long flights) and
> > > increasing
> > 
> > In Europe meals are served even on flights less then 2 hours.
> > 
> Right, but is the cost of airfare comparable?  I just punched in to
> travelocity for Miami to Atlanta with no date restrictions.  Fares
> range from $163.00 to $441.50.  What would a similar flight cost in
> Europe?

Are you talking about total price? (total price = fare + taxes). Are
these low-cost carriers? And it can vary a lot if there are direct
flights or not.

I will look it up tomorrow and will come back with some price
comparisons.

> > > inconveniences (how many more bags are lost today compared to the
> > > past).
> > 
> > This should be the result of increasing passenger figures and more
> > complicated (as in time consuming) security measures.
> > 
> Except that the security measures (for baggage) are no more complex
> than they were in the past.  Besides, everything is computerized now.

AFAIK in Europe bags are now scanned (again) at transfer points. This
increases the chances of bags not being transferred on time (which is
by far the main reason for delayed bags).

Regards,
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No modules.dep

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

In booting one kernel version I get a string of messages flashing by at 
boot in the very beginning:


FATAL: modprobe: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.20-ck1/modules.dep

That message is from modprobe in the initrd.img that is loaded first.

And true enough: examining the initrd.img: there is no such module there.

However... booting another kernel version in the same partition I get no 
 such messages flashing by and examining *that* initrd.img it did not 
have a modules.dep *either*.


So what is going on? Neither have modules.dep in that directory in the 
initrd image, why does one complain and the other not?


Googling for that message gets a couple of hits and what is suggested, 
more or less, is to regenerate the initrd image.


But why does that solve anything if no modules.dep is found in the image?

Both kernels have a proper modules.dep in their respective 
/lib/modules/


Hugo


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Re: New video card-what to do ?

[Greg Folkert]

On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 23:38 +0100, Niels Rasmussen wrote:
> Hi list
> 
> My system is debian testing (etch) AMD64x2
> 
> I have bought a new video card Nvidia 6200 TC 64 bit 256MB DDR2, which should
> be better than my ATI Radeon X700se, according to several forums, for 3D
> composite rendering.
> 
> Now after what I've read about this, on this list, it should be sufficient to
> do the following:
> 
> 1. Change the video card
> 2. boot and kill X + running openGL daemons
> 3. aptitude > install:
> - nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64
> - nvida-glx
> - nvidia-glx-ia32 for 32 app-support
> - nvidia-settings
> - nvidia-xconfig
> 4. Reboot
> 
> Is this the way to do it ??
> 
> I haven't done this before, so every help are appreciated :)

Typical setup also includes some form of:

dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg

Select the proper settings, and restart X. 
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Re: Etch

[Michael Pobega]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:23:05PM +0100, pinniped wrote:
> 
> Etch is almost 2 years old!
> 
> SATA support began in the 2.5 kernels and some modules were backported to 
> 2.4. There have been many huge changes in the 2.6 kernel to date, so Etch 
> should be the one to use. Kernels 2.6.16 to 2.6.18 seem fine, 2.6.19 is 
> buggy, never tried .20 - .21 is in the works. 
> 

This is a bit off-topic, but would you mind not changing the subject
when replying to a topic? It's not that my MUA threads it wrong or
anything, but I read using "Jump To Next New Mail", which means when I
see a new subject I think it's a new thread.

I don't mean this as an insult, just pointing it out.


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Re: Asterisk and MP3 files

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 22:08 +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> Asterisk should have mp3 files for playing music on hold.
> 
> The debian distribution doesn't appear to have these in it.  Is there 
> another package which does hold them?

From looking at the package asterisk-sounds-main, yes these files are
removed:

Debian asterisk-xxx.dfsg.tar.gz
===
 * The Debian version of the upstream asterisk source has had the fpm 
Music
on Hold removed as this music has only been licenced for use within 
asterisk which is incompatible with the Debian Free Software Guildlines 
(DFSG)
.

This is documented in /usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright

I guess you can grab the upstream release and extract the files.

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New video card-what to do ?

[Niels Rasmussen]

Hi list

My system is debian testing (etch) AMD64x2

I have bought a new video card Nvidia 6200 TC 64 bit 256MB DDR2, which should
be better than my ATI Radeon X700se, according to several forums, for 3D
composite rendering.

Now after what I've read about this, on this list, it should be sufficient to
do the following:

1. Change the video card
2. boot and kill X + running openGL daemons
3. aptitude > install:
- nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64
- nvida-glx
- nvidia-glx-ia32 for 32 app-support
- nvidia-settings
- nvidia-xconfig
4. Reboot

Is this the way to do it ??

I haven't done this before, so every help are appreciated :)


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Re: update-initramfs question

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,

I run this:

~Sun Mar 04-13:57:19SDA6# update-initramfs -u

and I get:

/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 does not exist. Cannot update.

That happens to be true. (Surprise!)

But how does he know that initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 is the 'newest kernel' 
as the man-page has it?


uname -r has: 2.6.20-ck1


Because /sbin/update-initramfs is a script and looks at the initrd.img 
link in / which pointed to a nonexisting initrd image.


Apparently 'newest kernel' means 'the kernel whose symlink is pointed to 
in /.




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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:06:45AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:36:08 -0500
> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hence, with a discincentive for the big airlines to improve we are
> > dealing with declining levels of service (remember when they actually
> > used to serve meals on 4+ hour long flights) and increasing
> 
> In Europe meals are served even on flights less then 2 hours.
> 
Right, but is the cost of airfare comparable?  I just punched in to
travelocity for Miami to Atlanta with no date restrictions.  Fares range
from $163.00 to $441.50.  What would a similar flight cost in Europe?

> > inconveniences (how many more bags are lost today compared to the
> > past).
> 
> This should be the result of increasing passenger figures and more
> complicated (as in time consuming) security measures.
> 
Except that the security measures (for baggage) are no more complex
than they were in the past.  Besides, everything is computerized now.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 09:55:59 -0800
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> > Paul Johnson wrote:
> >> Totalitarianism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive, but
> >> neither is
> > any
> >> other economic and political model combination.  Correlation
> >> without
> > causation.
> > 
> > They're not mutually exclusive because they are the same.
> > Personal liberty is economic liberty!  You can't have one without
> > the other.  Any political movement which curtails economic liberty
> > is directly curtailing personal liberty.
> 
> We'll see if you keep saying that next time you need an operation not
> covered by private health insurance.

No problem with state health insurance, as long as it competes
*directly* with private ones.

Regards,
Andrei
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Asterisk and MP3 files

[Alan Chandler]

Asterisk should have mp3 files for playing music on hold.

The debian distribution doesn't appear to have these in it.  Is there 
another package which does hold them?
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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:36:08 -0500
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hence, with a discincentive for the big airlines to improve we are
> dealing with declining levels of service (remember when they actually
> used to serve meals on 4+ hour long flights) and increasing

In Europe meals are served even on flights less then 2 hours.

> inconveniences (how many more bags are lost today compared to the
> past).

This should be the result of increasing passenger figures and more
complicated (as in time consuming) security measures.

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA

[Peter Farley]

--- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:30:23PM -0800, Peter
> Farley wrote:
> > 
> > "Bleeding edge technology"?!?!  I bought the Dell
> > 8400 as-is and used (from the Dell bargain area)
> > over two years ago.  "Bleeding edge" it ain't.
> > 
> As Andrew pointed out, Etch is going to release
> anytime now and has been in freeze for a few
> months.  Calling it bleeding edge is not correct.

Well, OK, maybe Etch isn't "bleeding edge" either. 
Mea culpa.

> > C'mon, a simple old system like a Dell 8400 should
> > be long-since supported by stable code, even among
> > the volunteer community.
> > 
> Well, the 2.6.8 kernel (shipped with Sarge) was
> released on 14 August 2004.  At *that* time, the
> machine was bleeding edge compared to the
> kernel support for SATA.

Hm-m.  OK, I didn't realize Sarge went back that far. 
Now that I review the Sarge package versions for some
things that are important to me, I bow to your
collective wisdom -- Sarge is not what I want or need.

Thanks for your help in curing my ignorance.

Peter


 

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Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 17:09:10 +0100
Andreas Duffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>  I use ssh with X11 forwarding to manage the firewall.
> >>> With firestarter? How?
> > 
> > [snip X11 forwarding stuff]
> > 
> > If *that* isn't shooting a fly with a canon, than I don't know what
> > is.

[snip rant against console users]

Please read my other mail carefully:

"IMHO firestarter is only useful if you already have X installed"

If this is a multi-purpose machine which already runs X for some reason
then no problem, but having X installed on the firewall/router just for
configuration purposes is bad security practice.

If you want to do this on your system, you are free to do so, but
*please* don't recommend it to others.

Regards,
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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 08:57:31PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> 
> ..uhuh.  The Sissy Boy Traitor stole one mans slot, and then ran AWOL.
> A military man with enough balls to get the job done, and enough
> brains to survive it well enough to be ready for the next mission, 
> will have a cascading on the war, because he saves and teaches GI's
> tricks that will help them not only survive, but even win the war.  
> One single military aviator more, could have turned Vietnam into 
> a victory.
> 
> ..instead we watch My Lai 2 escalate into die Endlösung 2.
> 
I'm not sure exactly what you are saying here.  The fiasco that was
the Vietnam war can be directly attributed to LBJ (a Democrat) and his
broken policies and horrible micromanagement of the US military.  He
once bragged "I won't let those Air Force generals order an air strike
on an outhouse without first checking with me" (or words to that effect.

Regards,

-Roberto

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what kernel?

[pinniped]

If you have 2.6 and the Alsa drivers, it all works well - just make sure you 
edit settings with the 'alsamixer'.

You'll probably find that everything is working but your headphone channel is 
muted.  With OSS I have no idea what setting to change (or if this is even 
possible). It is also possible that you have the headphones plugged into the 
microphone socket - in which case you can actually record sound via your 
headphones... hahaha.




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Etch

[pinniped]

Etch is almost 2 years old!

SATA support began in the 2.5 kernels and some modules were backported to 2.4. There have been many huge changes in the 2.6 kernel to date, so Etch should be the one to use. Kernels 2.6.16 to 2.6.18 seem fine, 2.6.19 is buggy, never tried .20 - .21 is in the works. 



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Re: REALLY OT: News Flash

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:32:41 +1300, Chris wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 03:35:57PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > the US is arguably one of the most prosperous nations in the world. 
> > I think that it is right for us to render humanitarian aid to other
> > nations when we can.  This is generally done through deployments of
> > the military (Somalia, Honduras, Indonesia, etc).
> 
> I find it difficult to see that:
> "deployment of the military" = "rendering humanitarian aid"

..true, that would assume full compliance to the full 4 Geneva
Conventions of Aug 12'th 1949 on warfare.

..the US came quite close to that during WWII.  
Against norwegians, only the Nazis beat the US on compliance,
and that on a Führerbefehl too, their military courts shot 2 of their
own for every norwegian (civilian or POW) killed in WWII.

..yes, even the Jews too, outside of  Oslo, those 771 that were 
shipped to Auschwitz for gassing, were handed over to Gestapo 
by, drumroll please, the norwegian police, in Oslo.

.._no_ norwegian has ever been tried for this.  
Quisling et al was shot for treason, not for war crimes.
No Norwegian government has _ever_ had this far, 
_any_ desire to put anyone on trial for this genocide.  
Instead, Norwegian government has relied upon its 
own special "too old 25 year" rule.

..so, you might wanna look for people who _has_ tried to 
repress war crime, before you line up the unworthy.  ;o)

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> We'll see if you keep saying that next time you need an operation not
> covered by private health insurance.

Why wait?  I'll say it right now.  The joy of private health coverage is
that they, the individuals who run the corporation, are perfectly free to
offer coverage on whatever they deem prudent.  They don't have to offer
coverage at all.

By the same token I could save money to offset any medical expenses I may
incur over my life time.  It's called being responsible for my own self and
comes with being free.

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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:48:08AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 10:00:02AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:39:58AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > 
> > > By the way, isn't air travel an example of fairly efficient (and
> > > government subsidized) public transportation, at least long distance
> > > flights?
> > > 
> > Oh great.  Here go with a discussion about how corporate welfare is
> > keeping things from improving.
> 
> I smell a strawman.
> 
In what way?  Air travel happens to usually be efficient, but it could
be better.  Government subsidies to the big airlines, however, prevent
most improvements in the marketplace.  Just look at Amtrak for a glaring
case of the same situation.

Now, with air travel, it is not like with rail, where tracks must be
laid and there is lots of distributed infrastructure.  It is much easier
for carriers to get into the air travel market, which is why airlines
like Jet Blue, Southwest and some of the other smaller carriers were
still turning a profit after 9/11 while the bigger carriers were
screaming for congress to shovel cash at them or else they would go
under.

Hence, with a discincentive for the big airlines to improve we are
dealing with declining levels of service (remember when they actually
used to serve meals on 4+ hour long flights) and increasing
inconveniences (how many more bags are lost today compared to the past).

Regards,

-Roberto

Regards,

-Roberto

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lpr

[pinniped]

1. Are you really using 'lpr' or are you using the 'cupsys-bsd' pretender and 
accidentally filtering things through cups?
2. Send directly to printer to see what happens:
cat mydocument > /dev/lp   (or whatever the parallel device is)
3. Check BIOS and ensure that you have a suitable parallel port mode - make 
sure it's not 'EPP' etc.  Plain stupid parallel port from over 30 years ago 
works fine.

Also do a google search for problems with parport, parport_pc and printers.  
Someone has probably already encountered the problem and fixed it.



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Re: xdm doesn't run thru the gdm??

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:52:25PM +0100, abdelkader belahcene wrote:
> Hi,
> The following doesn't exit at all on previous version, on sarge
> (debian) I used last year, but it on the current version etch
> (debian).
> 
> the problem is:
> I have a serveur running the standard etch (debian ) with gnome, I
> configured the Login window and check (activate) the XDMCP.  My server
> is not visible from a remote client.
> Is there a new thing in gdm or gnome ( or in debian ???) which can
> stop the Xdmcp protocol ??
> 
> I did same procedure on previous release, without problem!
> 
> I don't know if it is a gnome problem ( because I noticed same problem
> with Fedora 5)  or debian problem.
> 
Without error messages it is hard to tell.  However, by default GDM does
not listen for TCP connections, since XDMCP is an infrequently-used
protocol.  Check the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf file and make sure that you have
"DisallowTCP=false" instead of the default "DisallowTCP=true".

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:30:23PM -0800, Peter Farley wrote:
> 
> "Bleeding edge technology"?!?!  I bought the Dell 8400
> as-is and used (from the Dell bargain area) over two
> years ago.  "Bleeding edge" it ain't.
> 
As Andrew pointed out, Etch is going to release anytime now and has been
in freeze for a few months.  Calling it bleeding edge is not correct.

> 
> C'mon, a simple old system like a Dell 8400 should be
> long-since supported by stable code, even among the
> volunteer community.
> 
Well, the 2.6.8 kernel (shipped with Sarge) was released on 14 August
2004.  At *that* time, the machine was bleeding edge compared to the
kernel support for SATA.

Regards,

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 09:55:59AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> > They're not mutually exclusive because they are the same.  Personal
> > liberty is economic liberty!  You can't have one without the other.  Any
> > political movement which curtails economic liberty is directly
> > curtailing personal liberty.
> 
> We'll see if you keep saying that next time you need an operation not
> covered by private health insurance.
> 
Yes!  Because God forbid that people want to actually be *responsible*
for themselves instead of having some nanny state take care of them.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: IMAP Mail server question

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 01:25:13AM +, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> 
> Haven't done Dovecot on Debian (do it all the time on RHEL tho).  For
> Courier, just apt-get install courier-imap (I think that's the package
> name).  There's nothing to configure unless you want to use virtual
> users/domains and/or ldap/mysq.  Plenty of good documentation about that
> on the web.
> 
Also, don't forget courier-imap-ssl.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: gigabit nic

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:59:03PM +, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> 
> Well, I wouldn't be surprised if there are already Intel branded gigabit
> PCI NICs that have the Marvel Yukon chipset on.  Like the "Intel" 6-port
> SATA Raid cards that are really LSI 150-6 cards - they didn't even
> badge-engineer the firmware UI...
> 
> My point is the Intel brand no longer means you get top-notch
> performance.  You have to make sure it actually has an Intel chipset.
> 
Thanks for the tip.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Ron Johnson]

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> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:36:10 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>>
>> On 02/28/07 12:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> On 27 Feb, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>
[snip]
>>
>> And in the spring flood stages, a slower river means more floods.
> 
> ..and more water going into the soil to replenish the ground water 
> you have pumped out for farmland irrigation.

If only aquifer replenishment happened that quickly...

> 

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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 03/04/07 10:51, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:05:52 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>>
>> On 02/27/07 09:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:52:17PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
[snip]
>> Damned Liberals can't make up their minds
> 
> .. ;o)
> 
> ..one problem we do see here (Norway) even with offshore 
> mills, is how they kill birds, especially in overcast weather.   
> Modern power mills use highspeed wings much like 
> helicopter rotor wings, only white and on masts.

Really?  I didn't realize that the big ones spin so fast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Windfarm_%2848%29.JPG


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Re: Hard Drive hdb becomes hdf - Resolved

[Thomas H. George]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 04:21:18PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> I built a new computer with two hard drives and installed XP Home 
> Edition on the first drive.  The second drive contains my Debian system 
> - kernel 2.6.17 and Testing.  I intended to use disc 1 of a Sarge 
> installation set as a rescue disk to access hdb and run lilo to convert 
> this box to a dual boot box.
> 
> boot: rescue=/dev/hdb5 failed.
> 
> During the load
> 
>"Partition Check
>   hdd
>  hde: hde1
>  hdf: hdf1,hdf2 < hdf5, hdf6, hdf7, hdf8 >"
> 
> 
> The motherboard is KA3 MVP and the processor is an AMD Athlon 64 3800.
> 
Booted up with grml_0.9.  The partitions are where they should be - i.e.

hda1
hdb1 hdb2 

Running grml I mounted hdb1 and used vi to edit lilo.conf use the mount
points set up by grml and then ran lilo to make a dual boot system from
hda.

Rebooted the system from the first hard drive bringing up Testing with a
2.6.17 kernel.  Re-edited lilo.conf use the standard mount points and
rebooted again.  Eveything works but there remain two problems.

First, the other CD based systems - bbc-2.1, Knoppix_v3.3 and DSL -
fail.  I believe this is because I can only boot from a CD if I edit
BIOS to specify a particular device - the dvdrw or the cdrw - in the
boot sequence.  There is an option for a cdrom but who has one of those
any more.  Still I believe that the CD based systems fail trying to
read this nonexistant device.  Only grml stays with the drive from which
it is booted.

Second, I have no idea why the Sarge rescue disk thinks the hard drives
are hde and hdf.  When I have cleaned up all the mess I have made
putting the new system together I'll download a Testing CD and try its
rescue program.

Tom

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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Ron Johnson]

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> Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> Totalitarianism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive, but neither is
>> any
>>> other economic and political model combination.  Correlation without
>> causation.
>>
>> They're not mutually exclusive because they are the same.  Personal
>> liberty is economic liberty!  You can't have one without the other.  Any
>> political movement which curtails economic liberty is directly
>> curtailing personal liberty.
> 
> We'll see if you keep saying that next time you need an operation not
> covered by private health insurance.

Or a Brit needing an operation for which there is a very long
waiting list because of NHS inefficiencies?

> 
> 
> 

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Re: Help w/failed Sarge install - Dell 8400+SATA

[Peter Farley]

--- Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Peter Farley wrote:
> > --- "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> >> You really should be using Etch.
> 
> > Well, some of us prefer not to live at the
> > bleeding edge.
> 
> Sometimes when you have bleeding edge technology
> you need bleeding edge on your distro to make it
> work. 

"Bleeding edge technology"?!?!  I bought the Dell 8400
as-is and used (from the Dell bargain area) over two
years ago.  "Bleeding edge" it ain't.


> Given that Windows /generally/ has better hardware
> driver support than Linux on the newest hardware if
> XP needed patching then Sarge might just be a
> tad too old to take advantage of the SATA drive.
> 
> Unpleasant, maybe.  Dems da facts, yeah.  :/

If a 2+ year-old machine is "bleeding edge", what does
that make the latest Dell quad-core game monsters with
dual-X1900 video cards?  Now *that* is what *I* call
"bleeding edge".

C'mon, a simple old system like a Dell 8400 should be
long-since supported by stable code, even among the
volunteer community.

FYI, the FC6 install disk sees all my drives, no
problem (though I grant you this, FC6 *is* more recent
than sarge).

However, I may give it one more try with Etch just to
see if it's better.  But I'll probably be using FC6
before that.

My $0.02USD only, you are certainly entitled to your
own.

Peter


 

8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time 
with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
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fujitsu siemens amilo l7320 sound, headphones

[sfniks sfinks]

Hi.

Has anyone got headphones to work?
sound comes, but no headphones.

fujitsu:~# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/VN800/P4M800CE/Pro Host
Bridge
00:00.1 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/VN800/P4M800CE/Pro Host
Bridge
00:00.2 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/VN800/P4M800CE/Pro Host
Bridge
00:00.3 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. PT890 Host Bridge
00:00.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/VN800/P4M800CE/Pro Host
Bridge
00:00.7 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN700/VN800/P4M800CE/Pro Host
Bridge
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI Bridge
00:06.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G
802.11abgNIC (rev 01)
00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID
Controller (rev 80)
00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc.
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB
1.1Controller (rev 81)
00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB
1.1Controller (rev 81)
00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge
[KT600/K8T800/K8T890 South]
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.
VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
00:11.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC'97 Modem
Controller (rev 80)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev
78)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP
(rev 01)
fujitsu:~#

update-initramfs question

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

I run this:

~Sun Mar 04-13:57:19SDA6# update-initramfs -u

and I get:

/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 does not exist. Cannot update.

That happens to be true. (Surprise!)

But how does he know that initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 is the 'newest kernel' 
as the man-page has it?


uname -r has: 2.6.20-ck1

Hugo


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Re: a dumb query? pls humor me

[Paul Johnson]

Steve Lamb wrote:

> Paul Johnson wrote:
>> Totalitarianism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive, but neither is
> any
>> other economic and political model combination.  Correlation without
> causation.
> 
> They're not mutually exclusive because they are the same.  Personal
> liberty is economic liberty!  You can't have one without the other.  Any
> political movement which curtails economic liberty is directly
> curtailing personal liberty.

We'll see if you keep saying that next time you need an operation not
covered by private health insurance.



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Re: OT: sponge burning!

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:21:17 -0500, Roberto wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:12:45AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:00:43 -0500, Roberto wrote in message 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > 
> > > W (whatever you think of him, he *does* have moral
> > > fortitude).
> >  
> > ..huh???  This is Sissy Boy George, the Nepotist Warrior Ace who
> > Flew So High and Far he Missed Vietnam and instead Scored 152 Kills
> > on Texan death Row Inmates and Made Saddam a Martyr and a Victim of
> > War Crime  by Denying Saddam the POW his Article 90 Hearing.
> > 
> > ..somebody care to offer the current definition of "moral fortitude"
> > in case it changed since 9/11?
> > 
> Discounting his military service (it was during Vietnam, lots of
> people had less than stellar service during Vietnam, not everyone can
> be John McCain), he *does* have moral fortitude. 

..uhuh.  The Sissy Boy Traitor stole one mans slot, and then ran AWOL.
A military man with enough balls to get the job done, and enough
brains to survive it well enough to be ready for the next mission, 
will have a cascading on the war, because he saves and teaches GI's
tricks that will help them not only survive, but even win the war.  
One single military aviator more, could have turned Vietnam into 
a victory.

..instead we watch My Lai 2 escalate into die Endlösung 2.

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Re: A very simple documentation framework

[cga2000]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:16:53AM EST, ][ wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 03:36:01 -0500, cga2000 wrote:
> 
[..]
> >> 
> >> AsciiDoc Markup Syntax Quick Summary
> >> http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/asciidoc-syn/ascs01-AsciiDocMarkupSyntaxQuickSummary/

A  bit OT .. but what is this xpt project?

Apart from the AsciiDoc manuals, there tons of useful documents on this
web site.

> > Actually, in my setup at least, the "Dark Background" document looks
> > absolutely great in a text browser such as elinks.
> 
> Have you check it out in GUI browsers as well, for the embedded images?

They look ok, but I'm used to reading docs in text-mode and I find all
the different size fonts, colors, little icons, etc. distracting.

> > Maybe another concern of mine is that LaTeX and DocBook are technologies
> > that won't go away any time soon.. And this guarantees that both the
> > time I spend rewriting my .txt documents in either of these, and the
> > time spent acquiring some fluency using them is not entirely wasted.  
> >  
> > Right now, my preference would probably be DocBook over LaTeX since it
> > clearly separates content and formatting...
> 
> Seems that I didn't make it quite clear. The above "AsciiDoc Markup Syntax
> Quick Summary" shows how simple it is to produce stunning effects via just
> plain text. 

It's not really plain text.  More like a cross of a simplified markup
language and a word processor.  ie. the "tagging" is designed in such a
way as to be less obtrusive and in a sense even somewhat "wysiwg". 

> In fact the source (for making the html or whatever) looks
> nothing like any markup language but plain text. You almost don't need to
> learn anything, well I mean the markup language -- just learn how to
> format your text content.

In this respect, I really don't see much difference between AsciiDoc's
minimal syntax and using a minimal subset of LaTeX or DocBook.  

There is naturally more to type, parcticularly with XML and its opening
and closing tags..  but then, I type reasonably fast and I'm sure there
has to be some Vim plugin that would help make life easier for me.

I admit that with AsciiDoc, source files are easier to read, especially
for someone unfamiliar with the syntax .. But then contrary to using a
subset of something much bigger such as LaTeX or DocBook, you're bound
to lose "scalability".

> Further, you can produce html or DocBook/LaTeX source from AsciiDoc, and
> even *nix man pages. 

Saw that.  See below.

> All in all, check out 
> 
> AsciiDoc
> http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/
> 
> and see if its simple formatting fits all your need for your simple
> documentation framework, before submerging into something *much* more
> complicated. 

If you stick with a small subset neither LaTeX nor DocBook are *that*
hard to learn.  My main problem, especially with DocBook, was finding
exactly what debian packages I needed to build working html/pdf tool
chains.

> If it doesn't seem to meet all your need, I recommend to go directly to
> Latex. Because the documents that you've seen on xpt.sourceforge.net and
> AsciiDoc sites are actually produced by DocBook. 

You've lost me.  Are you recommending LaTeX or DocBook?

> On xpt.sourceforge.net the separated pages with TOC is produced by
> DocBook (from AsciiDoc source). The single file versions are produced
> directly by AsciiDoc. 
> 
> Check out the difference at
> 
> http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/asciidoc-usg/ascu03-SourceCodeHighlighting/ar01s04.html#id2497513
> 
> and compare with the "single file version" link from the bottom of the
> page.
> 
> If you do need Latex, then maybe the
> 
> All You Need to Know about Latex
> http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/language/latex/
> 
> might give you somewhat easier start. That is in fact what all I need to
> know when writing my master thesis.

Since I haven't found a tool that does that well, at least with my text
files, I may yet invest in AsciiDoc a bit because I have numerous doc
files in text format and I was wondering if it might help convert them
to DocBook format.  Obviously, it won't do it out of the box but I have
a feeling that with minimal changes to my text files I may be able to do
that.

Thanks,
cga


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Printing gibberish...

[Nikhil Nair]

Hi,

Would really appreciate some help, here.  I'm having trouble getting a 
printer working, and this really ought to be a snap, as no 
filtering/translation of any sort is needed.  Parallel port; system: etch, 
amd64, 2.6 kernel (with udev), debootstrap installed.


The printer in question is a parallel port based Braille embosser.  I'm 
trying to send a test file which is already in Braille, so all that's 
needed is for it to be sent to the printer with no interference, and 
nothing added.  Instead, it's being garbled somehow: the text, originally 
just five lines worth, is being split into four separate pages, despite 
the fact that there was nothing remotely like a formfeed in the file. 
The embosser worked fine on my previous machine, under very old Debian 
software.


I'm using lpr, and initially had problems because the lp module wasn't 
loaded; I fixed that temporarily (I thought) by 'modprobe lp', but I 
suspect I shouldn't have had to do that, which probably means I'm missing 
a package which should ideally have been brought in by dependencies.  (My 
system is uptodate with etch.)  BTW, parport and parport_pc were loaded.


I'd very much appreciate any help, as this is getting a bit frustrating. 
Oh, BTW, I tried turning off the printer and looking at the file under 
/var/spool/lpd/lp; it was fine at that point, no garbling evident.


Cheers,

Nikhil.


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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:36:10 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
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> > On 27 Feb, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > 
> >>> It's not stupid if you haven't been there.
> >> I thought you were smarter than that.
> >>
> >> Presuming you're not:
> >>
> >> Mountains and valleys (great for filling up with dammed water) are
> >> the predominant geological feature of the areas of the Columbia and
> >> Snake rivers where those hydro dams are located.
> >>
> >> Mountains and valleys are *not* the predominant geological feature
> >> of the Great Plains states, or those uber-mountainous states like
> >> Louisiana and Mississippi.
> >>
> > 
> >  But there are turbines which are designed to extract energy
> > from the flow of a river without the need of significant height 
> > gradients.  And tidewater generators don't rely on any (land)
> > topography, so the question is not entirely unreasonable.
> 
> Taking energy out of the river means it slows down, depositing more
> silt, and in unexpected places.  Which means impaired ship
> navigation and more dredging.
> 
> And in the spring flood stages, a slower river means more floods.

..and more water going into the soil to replenish the ground water 
you have pumped out for farmland irrigation.

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Problem Installing 3.1r5 i386 (networking)

[John Anthony Kazos Jr.]

I've been using Debian for half a decade, but not within the past 
year or so and just got back to it recently. My current setup is an 
XP box with masquerading (ICS) and 3.1r5 installed on another box, 
configured with static IP. Works great.


Now I'm trying to set up a dual-boot on the main box but I can't get 
Debian to connect to the network properly like it always could 
before. The installer configures itself with DHCP fine: it has an 
appropriate IP address, broadcast address, and gateway address, and 
/etc/resolv.conf is also appropriate. But it times out when trying to 
resolve names, and it times out when trying to connect to anything by 
any protocol I've tried even by direct IP address.


I also tried putting my primary NIC in the second box, sticking it on 
my ISP interface, and reconfiguring it to work with DHCP, but I get 
the same problem. It configures with DHCP, but it can't get out to 
the network at all.


The network does function perfectly fine on the XP box, and I tried 
the SLAX live disc which also works perfectly fine with no 
configuration of any kind. It boots, and it works. There is nothing 
special, odd, or unusual in any way with any of my setup. And my ISP 
refuses to allow me to connect without using DHCP.


I'm just using straight-up 10-base-T Ethernet cards plugged into the 
wall. Any ideas?




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Re: vim like completion in bash?

[cga2000]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:21:51AM EST, zhengquan zhang wrote:
>Hello:
>I can :e *doc* in vim, pressing tab and it can help me find the document I
>need,
>but in bash if I use vi *doc* and press tab, nothing would happen, it can
>not find the file I want to edit
>Is there any switches to make it possible?
>Thank you.
> 
>zhang

Works here on sarge. 

You may want to try adding the following lines to your .bashrc:

if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then
  . /etc/bash_completion
fi

Also, note that if there is more than one match you need to press 
a second time to display a list of matching files.

Thanks,
cga


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webcalendar with PHP5

[Lukas Ruf]

Dear all,

using etch, I would like to make use of webcalendar on my Apache 2
webserver that runs smoothly with PHP5.

webcalendar requires PHP4.

Any suggestion on how to solve this issue?

Thanks!

wbr,
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Re: No text mode display after grub

[Florian Kulzer]

On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 01:48:40 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:11:36PM +, J.A. de Vries wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > My boss gave me a Dell Latitude D810 to use for work so I didn't have to
> > use my privately owned Acer Ferrari 4000 anymore. First thing I did was
> > install testing on it, which was no problem at all. Next I built a
> > 2.6.20.1 kernel (vanilla from kernel.org) and now I have a bit of a
> 
> Is there any particular reason you need a later kernel?
> 
> > strange problem: after I make a selection in the grub menu I see about 2
> > lines printed to the console (they flash by too fast to read, but they
> > do not seem to be error messages). After that the screen stays dark
> > until kdm starts. Everything else is working like a charm. After logging
> > in to X I tried to change to a virtual console and noticed text mode
> > won't work there either. Does anyone have an idea what I could do to get
> > the text console back? I use it regularly. I tried using the vga=xxx
> > option [1] as a boot parameter, but either I can't find the correct
> > value for it, or that is not the solution to this problem.
> 
> You could compare the kernel configs. If they are *too* different then
> does compiling say a 2.6.18 kernel with the same/similar configs work?

I think this might be related to the framebuffer driver. You can try to
"modprobe vesafb" (or whatever fb module is suitable for your graphics
card) from an X root console and see if this helps. It might be
necessary to compile vesafb (or ...fb) statically into the kernel. 

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Re: relaying POP3

[Franck Joncourt]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 10:14:06AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Debian Users,
> 
> My favourite MUA has an implementation of POP3 
> which is not compatible with the POP3 of my ISP.  
> 
> Until I can fix POP3 in the MUA, I want my 
> home Debian router machine to fetch messages 
> from the ISP and deliver them by POP3 to my 
> workstation.
> 
> Currently fetchmail and exim get messages from 
> the ISP and put them in /var/mail/peter.  I can 
> read them with mutt.  What packages and 
> configurations are needed to allow forwarding 
> via POP3?

What about setting up qpopper on your router to get messages to your
workstation ?

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relaying POP3

[peasthope]

Debian Users,

My favourite MUA has an implementation of POP3 
which is not compatible with the POP3 of my ISP.  

Until I can fix POP3 in the MUA, I want my 
home Debian router machine to fetch messages 
from the ISP and deliver them by POP3 to my 
workstation.

Currently fetchmail and exim get messages from 
the ISP and put them in /var/mail/peter.  I can 
read them with mutt.  What packages and 
configurations are needed to allow forwarding 
via POP3?

Thanks,... Peter Easthope

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Sorry for the "read receipt" thing

[Charles Blair]

   I did not mean to include a "read receipt" in my recent post.
Apologies for cluttering the system.


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Re: Hard Drive hdb becomes hdf !!!

[Michael Pobega]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 04:21:18PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> boot: rescue=/dev/hdf5
> 
> which stopped with
> 
>"Warning: Unable to open and initial console
>  Kernel Panic: No init found.  Try passing an init= option to the 
> kernel"
>

You have to add an init line into /boot/grub/menu.lst.

You could probably boot it with an init= option, but I've never done
anything like that before. Sorry to fall back onto this, but I'm on a
terminal-only computer right now so I'll just forward you to two
websites:

[0]http://forums.debian.net/
In the "HowTO" section find a thread by "Lavene" about recompiling
kernels. There is a section about init there, which is where I
learned.

[1]http://google.com/
Look up "GRUB Init", or something of the sort. Hopefully you can find
something about it, it's most likely on GRUB's website (I have no idea
what the URL is, I'm also offline right now).


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Re: Real and effective uid in setuid executable

[Nyizsnyik Ferenc]

On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 17:42 +0100, Sven Ekman wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a setuid executable which is written in C.  Is
> there a system call with which I can get the uid of
> the calling user if the executable is setuid root?
> 
> If the executable is setuid to a non-root user,
> getuid() and geteuid() return the real and effective
> userid as expected.  If setuid root, both return "0".
> 
> Is there a good reason for this behaviour? A way to
> circumvent it? Or a very good reason not to try?
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> Sven
> 

As far as I know, root's uid is 0.

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Re: OT: Here we go again.

[s. keeling]

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  s. keeling wrote:
> > Retaliation is not initiation.  You are entirely within your rights to
> > defend yourself.  You'd be a fool not to.
> 
>  In fact one could argue it is morally reprehensible not to.

I agree, but we're certainly in the minority camp:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_the_other_cheek


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Is this a DoS attack?

[Anthony Campbell]

Earlier today my router showed long periods of flickering, as if data
were coming in or going out. I am the only user. Log files do not show
anything wrong, nor does chkrootkit, and Top does not indicate any
unusual activity. Things seem to be back to normal now.

I have firewalling set up in the router and also via shorewall.

I have seen this previously on occasion but today was more prlonged.
Does it indicate an automated attack of some kind (which failed,
presumably)?

Anthony

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Re: A Republican!!!!!! (was Re: OT: sponge burning!)

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:05:52 -0600, Ron wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 02/27/07 09:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:52:17PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> >> The irony is that there are some eco groups that are fighting
> >wind farms. >  Why?  Because they are a blight on the natural look of
> >the land.  No, not > kidding.
> > 
> > Centuries ago, when Holland started building windmills, they were
> > hotly  controversial, a blight on the countryside.
> > 
> > Now there are preservationist societies dedicated to preserving the 
> > lovely windmills, and each one that burns up or falls apart is 
> > considered a major cultural loss.
> 
> Damned Liberals can't make up their minds

.. ;o)

..one problem we do see here (Norway) even with offshore 
mills, is how they kill birds, especially in overcast weather.   
Modern power mills use highspeed wings much like 
helicopter rotor wings, only white and on masts.

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Real and effective uid in setuid executable

[Sven Ekman]

Hello,

I have a setuid executable which is written in C.  Is
there a system call with which I can get the uid of
the calling user if the executable is setuid root?

If the executable is setuid to a non-root user,
getuid() and geteuid() return the real and effective
userid as expected.  If setuid root, both return "0".

Is there a good reason for this behaviour? A way to
circumvent it? Or a very good reason not to try?

Thanks and regards,
Sven






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Re: Woody on 486 problem

[pobox]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2007 at 12:28:45AM +0100, Peter Teunissen wrote:
> Ah, memories. I wrote my first basic program on a sinclair zx81 :-)  
> It played russian roulette, sort of graphical ;-)

LOL!
Graphics on ZX81! I remember that :)

Juraj


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Re: Firestarter VS Shorewall

[Andreas Duffner]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

I use ssh with X11 forwarding to manage the firewall.

With firestarter? How?


[snip X11 forwarding stuff]

If *that* isn't shooting a fly with a canon, than I don't know what is.



Mmm. So why do you use shorewall at all ? It is like using a pistol 
against an unarmed invader.

*WHAT* is the point of your message ?
I dont tell you how to do things. I like it that way. I do it that way.

If you dont like it... I DO *NOT* CARE !

Ok. You can edit files with the text editor. Fine.
Nice. COL.

I want my work done.

We all know, that it is possible to configure a firewall with an 
texteditor. You may use vi. Or even a line based. Who cares ?

If you like it, do it.
I have to say that you are perhaps on the wrong operating system, if you 
want to do it the way, it was done by your grandfather.

Linux is an operating system which is getting easier to use every day.
So if someone does it the easy way, what is the point of patronizing 
messages ?


The good thing about linux is, that is is possible to do it with the
commandline *and* and (more and more) with the gui.

But trying to show off with telling "I am using the commandline" is
just not working, because it means, you don't understand the concept.
It is not *better*.

Please stop writing such mails. We all know what kind of people do that.

.


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Re: CMS for server

[Jordi]

Thanks Alan

For my needs ( many features, robustness, community ) drupal may be a
good solution to test.

Jordi


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initramfs-tools fixed (maybe) --- how to resume install?

[Charles Blair]

   I am trying to install debian (testing) on a machine that
has Windows XP.  I downloaded and booted the first .iso image
(weekly build as of Feb 28).  Partitoning and other steps
seem to have worked properly.

When I started the "install the base system", things seemed
ok until just after I was prompted for a kernel choice (I took
the default).  I then got a message that errors occurred while
trying to install initramfs-tools.

I downloaded initramfs-tools-0.85e_all.deb using the windows
part of the machine (I have a working wireless setup there),
transferred it to the debian part (using mount), and typed

dpkg --install (initramfs...).deb

The response leads me to hope that this worked:

>unpacking...
>setting up...
>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-3-486

   I'm not sure what to do next.  I would like to continue with
the rest of the installation process (especially the automatic
graphics install).  I'm concerned that if I simply boot from
the CD, it will take me back to the beginning of the process,
possibly undoing the now-working (I hope) intramfs.

Is there a more sophisticated way to use the CD than booting it?

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions that have gotten me
this far.


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