Re: What hardware to use for Debian Firewall/Gateway or server?
Jan Willem Stumpel writes: > Csanyi Pal wrote: > >> What is the recommended new hardware for firewall/gateway or >> for a web, mail, file & printer server at a small home network? >> >> Any advices will be appreciated! > > I am now using a "Bubba 2", made by a Swedish company: > > http://excito.com/bubba/products/about-bubba.html > > It runs Debian. More expensive, of course, than using an old > desktop or laptop computer (but the price is going down all the > time, now 212 euros for a unit with 500 GB hard disk), but it uses > "almost no" electricity, and it is silent (fanless). Very suitable > for 24/7 operation. I am very happy with it. > > Regards, Jan It's very nice but can one install on it say a Debian GNU/Linux Lenny? -- Regards, Paul Csanyi http://www.freewebs.com/csanyi-pal/index.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [Fwd: Re: Correct sudoers file configuration]
Daryl Styrk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 08:51:20PM +0200, steef wrote: You need to use the command "visudo" to edit the sudo configuration file (/etc/sudoers). Tom why?? why not (to start with) # nano /etc/sudoers ?? regards, steef VISUDO(8) visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion, analogous to vipw(8). visudo locks the sudoers file against multiple simultaneous edits, provides basic sanity checks, and checks for parse errors. If the sudoers file is currently being edited you will receive a message to try again later. - -- Daryl Styrk Naples, FL USA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkocPAMACgkQ6baBhW8CzriX2wCdGBeE5gvhygJij8ZxAEvbdGw4 a4YAn2CidCqh1BVIs/0GjBV/wcUPiGYo =4Rcy -END PGP SIGNATURE- thanks to you both, regards, steef -- steef van duin publicist, research-journalist -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?
On Wed, 2009-05-27 at 13:40 -0400, Tony Baldwin wrote: > Barclay, Daniel wrote: > > Paul E Condon wrote: > > > ... [gdm] needs a window manager before the user has even logged in. No. xdm/kdm/gdm don't use a window manager (that's why the look and feel is so different). Just run "ps ax" from a console if you have a doubt. > > What features of a window manager does it need or use? > > > > (I don't use gdm. Does it have multiple windows that the user might > > need to move around or that the user might want to see decorated?) > I removed twm, and gdm still works fine here. I can think of two good reasons (at least) why twm is there: 1. if the [gnome|kde|xfce|...] window manager is broken, you can still open a GUI session using twm to fix the problem. 2. if you remove gnome/gdm (because you want to switch to pure KDE system, for example), the packages dependencies on x-window-manager are still met... and not all packages are removed. So using 390k to make the users' life easier seems a good deal. Regards, Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Installing linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 on lenny (grub problems)
Hello, On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 12:13 +1200, Simon wrote: > > We have a fresh install of lenny on a VM Which VM? > and tried to perform the initial apt-get update/upgrade but are having > issues with dependency problems. Can someone point me in the correct > direction here please? > # apt-get upgrade [..] > Setting up linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 (2.6.26-13lenny2) ... [..] > Running postinst hook script update-grub. > Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub > warning: grub-probe can't find drive for /dev/sda1. This error message is your actual problem. What is the mount point for / and /boot ? mount | grep " /\(boot\)\? " What are the partitions available one the system ? cat /proc/partitions > grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. > Check your device.map. To solve your problem, you will have to adjust the content of the file /boot/grub/device.map Mine looks like : (hd0)/dev/sda The disk device (sda) [not a partition like sda1], must be the "first" disk device, as seen by the bios at boot time. > subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [..] > dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6-amd64 (--configure): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured linux-image-2.6-amd64 depends on linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64, which has just failed to be configured. Therefore dpkg complains that linux-image-2.6-amd64 can't be configured because it depends on a package (linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64) that couldn't be configured. This isn't a "dependency problem". This is a "postinst" (post-installation) script problem, due to grub failing to configure. Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
> Nah, Adamantium ;) > Sounds like Unobtainium to me. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
>> Actually, according to actual HCI studies it is often better to hide things >> from a user instead of telling them about it. > > What means "better" in that case? > Really, this does sound ridiculous. We've all heard about the woman who frees up disk space by removing the folders that she doesn't use, such as C:/windows but the readers of this list are _not_ that audience. >> Now, once the user starts >> looking for that setting, it should be available, but too many settings and >> too much explanatory text confuses rather than enlightens. > > Whatever you do, there's nothing that helps against stupidity. > Again, this type of study does not seem suitable for this list. >> >And what if you need the information stored in it? >> >> I won't. I'll export the data as I abandon that software. Actually, I'll >> export the data before I abandon the software so I can import it into the >> new software and test it. > > That is a possibility, but it requires to plan for it and to work on > it, and mistakes can be made. It would be easier if that wasn't > required. > Or, it requires a ggod backup, worst case scenario. You do have one, right? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
>> Cooling, circuit breakers, relaxed duty cycle. And prayer, if you're into >> that. > > If you want to keep it running all the time ... Even if you don't, you > might have a problem when you need spare parts. > As mentioned previously, LUGs and geeks in general are usually a great place to find old parts. It might take a week until the next LUG meeting, but you can find the parts. Ebay, Craigslist, and universities might be good places to look as well. Or ask here. >> If the issue is saving $20 on a case, then you are just $20 short of >> having a working solution. Sounds good to me. > > Where do you get a good case for $20? Shop around a bit and you'll > find that useable ones start at about $250, and good ones cost more You should start looking for a new place to buy cases. Or just screw the motherboard to a sheet of plywood for a temporary fix, I've done that! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
Brendan wrote: > > Where do you get a good case for $20? Shop around a bit and you'll > > find that useable ones start at about $250, and good ones cost more > > --- if you can find one at all. > > 250? Is this a gold case? Nah, Adamantium ;) -- J -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
> Where do you get a good case for $20? Shop around a bit and you'll > find that useable ones start at about $250, and good ones cost more > --- if you can find one at all. 250? Is this a gold case? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: why must emacs depend on sound packages?
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:08:59PM EDT, Chris Jones wrote:
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Re: why must emacs depend on sound packages?
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:49:34AM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:04:44PM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote: > >> Chris Jones wrote: > > > > [..] > > > >>> Where the above no longer works for me is when the two action keys > >>> do not belong to the same half of the keyboard - such as Ctrl-X > >>> Ctrl-P, because I would use my right thumb to action the Control > >>> key, the left hand ring finger to hit X, and then would be stuck > >>> having to maintain the right Control key depressed and hit the "P" > >>> key with my right pinky. > > > >> Ah, that might be your problem right there: Using "proper" shifting > >> technique (as a typing teaching would presumably teach). Oh, > >> wait--you aren't switching from left to right control key there. But > >> you are using a thumb on an improperly positioned control key. Such > >> an abomination! :-) > > > > It certainly is not. I was under the impression that homo sapiens > > differed from the apes due to his opposable thumb. > > Huh? You think other primates don't have opposable thumbs? Gosh.. I'm mixing this all up, apes, primates, monkeys, dolphins, the hitchhiker's thumb syndrome and the scrivener's cramp. > In any case, the significance of opposable thumbs is in _grabbing_ > things (you know, between fingers (finger and thumb) moving in > _opposing_ directions). There no direct relationship to pressing > keys. The indirect relationship is that thumbs are both very flexible and underused in keyboarding. > > With proper typing position - the wrists unbent, pretty much > > horizontal, reaching for the Windows keys remapped to Control is > > totally effortless. > If it works for you, then quit complaining. I'm always complaining.. Quite the contrary in this instance, I am surprised, honored, and grateful that s/o on the list would even consider the subject worthy of their attention and show their appreciation by spending what looks like an inordinate amount of time debating the issue. > I was trying to help you.. That is why I replied. > because you seemed to find Emacs' modifier keys inconvenient. That I don't know.. what I _do_ know is that it took me months to assimilate a minimal subset of vim keyboard actions to the point where anything I want to do is done before I have a chance to start thinking, now how do I do this.. and when I look at emacs tutorials, it looks like I would need quite some time to unlearn my vim habits and acquire emacs ones that might prove to be unsuitable from an ergonomic standpoint and would therefore require that I start remapping - which is absolute hell: you start remapping something to.. something else that works better for you.. oh.. the "else" was itself mapped to something else.. so let's remap that else to something else2... meanwhile back at the ranch.. > (By the way, do you mean that you curl your left thumb under your > hand to reach the Windows key, or do you move your whole hand to > the left (using the left control key only with keys typed by your > right hand, per "proper" typing style)?) Yes.. curling is a very good way to describe the movement. As I thought I had mentioned in my earlier message, this is the way piano players smoothly move up/down the keyboard. You're playing a C major scale with the right hand.. You go as far as hitting the G key with your pinky.. and you're stuck. There appear to be keyboards where some keys are physically located in a spot that's easily accessible with the thumbs. Maybe I should buy one? > >> Try using your left pinky on the (left) control key its rightful > >> (original) place, immediately to the left of the A key (assuming > >> English/QWERTY layout)). Then use your left ring finger (instead > >> of the "proper" left pinky) on the q, a, and z keys when you > >> need to enter C-q, C-a, or C-z, respectively; and shift fingers > >> on the next column or two as needed. > > > > Now you are kidding, right? > > Were you actually paying attention when you wrote that? Sorry. > Did my description somehow retain some ambiguity I thought I avoided? Absolutely not. > How hard is it to put your left pinky on the key immediately to the > left of the A key and then put your left ring finger on the A key? > That leaves those fingers right next to each other. Yes, that is quite feasible, although hitting the A key with the ring finger is also known as blasphemy. What I was referring to is pinky on CapsLock/Control and pressing the Z key with the ring finger at the same time. Maybe my hands are less flexible than average, but I just cannot do it. > Or was your comment not implying that it was hard but just reacting > to its difference from proper (per typing class) fingering? Well, that's basically the issue. Since typing tutorials say nothing of the Control and Alt keys, I felt that I had to be creative and that's where I realized that "curling" each thumb to reach them was not only much easier than doing
Installing linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 on lenny (dependency problems)
Hi There, We have a fresh install of lenny on a VM and tried to perform the initial apt-get update/upgrade but are having issues with dependency problems. Can someone point me in the correct direction here please? Thanks Simon # apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 3 not fully installed or removed. After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Setting up linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 (2.6.26-13lenny2) ... Running depmod. Running mkinitramfs-kpkg. Not updating initrd symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled (2.6.26-13 was configured last, according to dpkg) Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated/reinstalled (2.6.26-13 was configured last, according to dpkg) Running postinst hook script update-grub. Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub warning: grub-probe can't find drive for /dev/sda1. grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. Check your device.map. User postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 1 dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Setting up linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 (2.6.26-15lenny2) ... Running depmod. Running mkinitramfs-kpkg. initrd.img(/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 ) points to /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 (/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64) -- doing nothing at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64.postinst line 569. vmlinuz(/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 ) points to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64) -- doing nothing at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64.postinst line 569. Running postinst hook script update-grub. Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub warning: grub-probe can't find drive for /dev/sda1. grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. Check your device.map. User postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 1 dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-image-2.6-amd64: linux-image-2.6-amd64 depends on linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64; however: Package linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6-amd64 (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 linux-image-2.6-amd64 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Re: Xen Host Virtual Console missing
Tim Dobson wrote: Tim Dobson wrote: xen-linux-system-2.6.26-bpo.1-xen-amd64 on Etch I guess because it's a backport I use 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 hvc0 with reference to http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Nologinpromptwhenusing.60xmconsole.60 Or am I completely confused? :-/ Maybe just a little bit.. :p Based on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502798 I assume I should be referring to xen documentation aimed at Lenny and reading through that bug? I've followed the info at http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#AdditionalnotefordomUonlennyusingxen-tools But still nothing is appearing on xm console after "Starting periodic command scheduler: crond." Would it be easier if i simply used xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 instead of xen-linux-system-2.6.26-bpo.1-xen-amd64 on Etch? Cheers Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Xen Host Virtual Console missing
Tim Dobson wrote: I'll try and get more inform on what versions of everything I'm running ASAP. xen-linux-system-2.6.26-bpo.1-xen-amd64 on Etch I guess because it's a backport I use 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 hvc0 with reference to http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Nologinpromptwhenusing.60xmconsole.60 Or am I completely confused? :-/ Maybe just a little bit.. :p Based on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502798 I assume I should be referring to xen documentation aimed at Lenny and reading through that bug? Tim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Xen Host Virtual Console missing
Tim Dobson wrote: Hi Steve, Steve Kemp wrote: There are two issues that might be occuring: 1. You don't have getty listening on the serial console of the guest. Update /etc/inittab to enable it. 2. You do have getty running but you're using the wrong thing. Try using "hvc0" instead of "ttyS0". Thanks From research on the web, I'd figured these things might well be the issues so I've rebooted the host on several occasions. I've tried with this /etc/inittab - http://pastebin.com/m5005c3b5 - and the result is the same... Can anyone see glaring mistakes in that file? I'll try and get more inform on what versions of everything I'm running ASAP. xen-linux-system-2.6.26-bpo.1-xen-amd64 on Etch I guess because it's a backport I use 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 hvc0 with reference to http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Nologinpromptwhenusing.60xmconsole.60 Or am I completely confused? :-/ Sorry for being a pain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
In <20090527210120.gq5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:11:38PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> > You might check out the database component of KOffice 2. >> > It is supposed to be a bit friendlier than the OO.o >> > database component and should, by default, use an SQLite database >> > embedded in the document. >> Kexi hasn't made it into Koffice 2.0. We are still hopeful for Koffice >> 2.1. >But it's in the version that comes with testing. It looks promising, >but it always crashed when I wanted to save a query. D'Oh, sorry about the poor recommendation. I really do have high hopes for KOffice. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
In <20090527205951.gp5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:10:54PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> >It's >> >something hidden from the user instead of telling them about >> >it. That's never a good idea. >> >> Actually, according to actual HCI studies it is often better to hide >> things from a user instead of telling them about it. > >What means "better" in that case? They are able to complete a series of tasks in less time or with less prompting/guidance. >> Now, once the user starts >> looking for that setting, it should be available, but too many settings >> and too much explanatory text confuses rather than enlightens. > >Whatever you do, there's nothing that helps against stupidity. And being confused by an over-abundance of options is not a sign of stupidity. While the number of facts one can track shows some correspondence to financial success, academic success, and the one-size- fits-all monstrosity that is IQ, it is much lower than the number of options that will fit on a 800x600 panel, even for the very successful/"intelligent". >> >> >> These same issues can be hidden when using RDBMS backed, but the >> >> >> translations are usually much faster. >> >If you have to make so many "translations" of a configuration file >> >that nowadays' computers run into performance problems when doing so, >> >I don't consider the file as a human readable configuration file >> >anymore. >> I never said the translations were causing performance issues. I >> said they'd be faster with an SQL backend. That is definitely *not* >> the reason Akonadi wants an SQL backend. >Then it's irrelevant that translations can be "usually much faster" >when an RDBMS is used. Okay, but it is not irrelevant that the translations can still be hidden from the user so there's no reason to worry about minor migration issues with it anymore that with plain-text files. >> They are quite readable. Usually a translation is just changing the >> name/spelling of a key. But, it might be converting a value that is a >> list into multiple stanzas or something like that. Generally, they >> leave the values alone, but they are the migration path from 'old' >> configuration files to 'new' configuration files. > >So these translations need to be done only once? Yes. They are preformed on the file and then a value is updated with the name of the translation to prevent it from being run against the file again (and for dependency tracking). >> >> >Try to read >> >> >your current kde configuration in 35 years, or try to read your data >> >> >from the the RDBMS you're currently using in 35 years. You'll find >> >> >that it won't be easy. >> >> I hope so. I plan on using different, hopefully better, software by >> >> then. >> >And what if you need the information stored in it? >> I won't. I'll export the data as I abandon that software. Actually, >> I'll export the data before I abandon the software so I can import it >> into the new software and test it. >That is a possibility, but it requires to plan for it and to work on >it, and mistakes can be made. It would be easier if that wasn't >required. Change happens. Trying to prevent it is futile. Instead, focus on shaping the future into something you like better than the present. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian Linux
Johannes Wiedersich writes: > rand...@songshu.org wrote: >> most new users don't now the existence of the automatically installed man >> pages. >> admittedly i also find it more readable in a browser. > > Konqueror will display the local man pages when you enter "man:rtfm" in > the location bar (provided you have funny-manpages installed). > > [You didn't tell which browser you are using, I don't think that feature > is available for iceweasel] It is not available in iceweasel in lenny, but the debian packages dwww and dhelp allow display of all of the man pages as well as info pages and debian documentation. I don't know about dhelp, but dwww also shows information in /usr/share/doc, and then allows access to package information. Both of these (and probably others) output in html, so they can be used with any browser including text ones. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
lee wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:01:08PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> So, yes, you did say that. You just didn't use those words, which is why >> they weren't a quote. (Notice the lack of quotation marks.) Anyone reading >> this message can follow the exact reasoning I used to get to that >> conclusion, based on the facts in this message--the quoted text. Please let >> me know what, if any, problems exist in my reasoning. > > I'm not interested in how you're turning and twisting the words --- > maybe it helps if you keep in mind that using language is different > from using mathematics or a programming language. The fact remains I agree with Boyd in his understanding of your post. What is the use of language if you say one thing that a reasonable person would understand but meant something completely different? If a reasonable receiver does not understand the message as intended, the communication was faulty. > that I don't have the mysql server installed and that kde isn't > working anymore after the update. What follows from Boyd's post is that mysql is not necessary for a working system and he disagrees with you that removal of mysql breaks KE. Proof: I have the new KDE working fine in Debian Testing even after having removed mysql server. So the fact is that mysql is not necessary for a working KDE unless you are using package which require it. Perhaps you should see what exactly is broken. I tried to help in this thread by posting the log of packages that I removed while removing mysql. From your sole response to that post, I gather your kdm is not working. Try gdm instead, I use it without any problem. Other than that, you didn't report any issues to the resolution I posted so I thought you had it all working again. -- Please reply to this list only. I read this list on its corresponding newsgroup on gmane.org. Replies sent to my email address are just filtered to a folder in my mailbox and get periodically deleted without ever having been read. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
In <20090527205142.go5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:03:29PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> >> Older releases are maintained in the archive >> >For 30 years or more? >> From what I understand, that is the plan. The archive currently goes >> back to the first release of Debian. >It may be planned to do that, but that doesn't mean that it will be >done. And when we have done it for 30 years, you or your successor will simply up the number to something that is longer than the lifespan of the Debian project so you don't have to be without your strawman. Everything that has ever been Debian is still available, over a decade into the project. That's better than most, and I've yet to see an actual reason to doubt that Debian won't continue it's pattern of excellence. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
In <20090527205036.gn5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:01:08PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> So, yes, you did say that. You just didn't use those words, which is >> why they weren't a quote. (Notice the lack of quotation marks.) Anyone >> reading this message can follow the exact reasoning I used to get to >> that conclusion, based on the facts in this message--the quoted text. >> Please let me know what, if any, problems exist in my reasoning. > >I'm not interested in how you're turning and twisting the words --- Yes you are; my grasp of the English language is that only thing that allows you and I to communicate (for now). Assuming you want to communicate with me, you are interested on how your words acquire meaning in my mind. >maybe it helps if you keep in mind that using language is different >from using mathematics or a programming language. Not entirely. There's a bit more fuzz on it since words and higher-level language constructs do not map directly to meanings or, in the logic/math parlance, propositions. However, failing to apply logical techniques to language analysis is leaving a very useful tool (maybe even your most useful tool) behind. I believe the transformations I applied to your words preserve their meaning. Can you show where exactly I failed to preserve your meaning? >The fact remains >that I don't have the mysql server installed and that kde isn't >working anymore after the update. I don't doubt that. However, I know that KDE 4.2 *can* work without Akonadi and MySQL, because I have it *working*. Your statements do not allow for the possibility that your issues could be local. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Questions regarding bash and sh.
On Sun, 24 May 2009 10:43:36 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: > Tony Baldwin wrote: >> You would think, icedove being the brainchild of the debian movement, >> that it would include this option for users on the debian lists. >> Não faz sentido... >> > > Even if Debian made a patch, it should be sent upstream to be added to > the main trunk. It's quite annoying that one of the most used mail > readers does not have such a simple feature. (And I use Icedove, so I > know how annoying it is to have to hit "Reply All" and delete other > users' emails). Actually this bug has seen a fair bit of activity. I've been following it. Here's s the URL if anyone wishes to read up on the progress; https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45715 -- Regards, S. Fishpaste -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:54:31PM +0100, Muzer wrote: > lee wrote: >> Still it wants to install the full mysql server --- and doesn't that >> package automatically start the server, even if it's then not used by >> kde? Not that I couldn't prevent that, but they could make a package >> that only installs the needed library instead of the full server ... >> > Haven't tested it, but couldn't you do (for example): > aptitude install koffice sqlite > > to make it use the other one? > > Chances are both will satisfy the dependancy, just sql is listed before > sqlite. Maybe that works --- but since I don't need the applications that use mysql, I'd rather keep them removed but the rest of kde working. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: getprocid C call
I think you're after getpid() Last time I checked it was in unistd.h --- On Wed, 27/5/09, Christian Jutras wrote: > From: Christian Jutras > Subject: getprocid C call > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 7:36 PM > > I have tried to find the getprocid() > in Debian and could not find it, nor any equivalent. The > getproid() function call is a standard > ANSI C, is there any reason for Debian (and all other Linux > I looked in) not to implement this function. The Debian > I'm using is based on Linux 2.6.22.18. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:11:38PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > You might check out the database component of KOffice 2 (still in beta, > > IIRC). It is supposed to be a bit friendlier than the OO.o database > > component and should, by default, use an SQLite database embedded in the > > document. > > Kexi hasn't made it into Koffice 2.0. We are still hopeful for Koffice 2.1. But it's in the version that comes with testing. It looks promising, but it always crashed when I wanted to save a query. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: getprocid C call
In , Christian Jutras wrote: >I have tried to find the *getprocid()* in Debian and could not find it, > nor any equivalent. The *getproid()* function call is a standard ANSI C, Don't make claims you can't back up. I just happen to have my copy of "ISO/IEC 9899:1999(E) -- Programming Languages -- C" and getprocid is not in it. Neither is getproid. That means they aren't ANSI C, so you can't use them in "pure" C programs. (Of course, the only "pure" C programs I've seen are toy programs.) > is there any reason for Debian (and all other Linux I looked in) not to > implement this function. Probably because it is has a more functional equivalent in the relevant standards. I looked for a replacement for you, under the assumption that you wanted something to "get the current process id". Of course, ANSI C doesn't have the idea of a "process", so I couldn't find one there. Perhaps by "standard ANSI C" you meant to include the Single UNIX Specification or POSIX extentions to the C language. Using them is fairly portable. It doesn't include MS Windows, but it does cover most other OSes. (I believe Mac OS 10.5 is UNIX 2003 certified, which requires being a conforming implementation of SUSv3 as best the test suite can tell, but I digress.) Scanning my copy of SUSv2, there's no getprocid or getproid. Whatever it is supposed to be, it's not very portable. You probably mean getpid -- that goes back to at least the System V Interface Definitions, Issue 1 which is one of, if not the, first public API documentation for UNIX. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ PS This isn't a developer list. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:10:54PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >It's > >something hidden from the user instead of telling them about > >it. That's never a good idea. > > Actually, according to actual HCI studies it is often better to hide things > from a user instead of telling them about it. What means "better" in that case? > Now, once the user starts > looking for that setting, it should be available, but too many settings and > too much explanatory text confuses rather than enlightens. Whatever you do, there's nothing that helps against stupidity. > >> >> These same issues can be hidden when using RDBMS backed, but the > >> >> translations are usually much faster. > >> >Both of these won't be human readable, plain text files. > >> Actually, yes. KDE Configuration files are human-readable, plain-text > >> files. They aren't free-form prose. For the most part they follow the > >> ".desktop" file specification put together by XDG. > >If you have to make so many "translations" of a configuration file > >that nowadays' computers run into performance problems when doing so, > >I don't consider the file as a human readable configuration file > >anymore. > > I never said the translations were causing performance issues. I > said they'd be faster with an SQL backend. That is definitely *not* > the reason Akonadi wants an SQL backend. Then it's irrelevant that translations can be "usually much faster" when an RDBMS is used. > They are quite readable. Usually a translation is just changing the > name/spelling of a key. But, it might be converting a value that is a list > into multiple stanzas or something like that. Generally, they leave the > values alone, but they are the migration path from 'old' configuration files > to 'new' configuration files. So these translations need to be done only once? > >> >Try to read > >> >your current kde configuration in 35 years, or try to read your data > >> >from the the RDBMS you're currently using in 35 years. You'll find > >> >that it won't be easy. > >> I hope so. I plan on using different, hopefully better, software by > >> then. > >And what if you need the information stored in it? > > I won't. I'll export the data as I abandon that software. Actually, I'll > export the data before I abandon the software so I can import it into the > new software and test it. That is a possibility, but it requires to plan for it and to work on it, and mistakes can be made. It would be easier if that wasn't required. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:03:29PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >> Older releases are maintained in the archive > >For 30 years or more? > > From what I understand, that is the plan. The archive currently goes back > to the first release of Debian. It may be planned to do that, but that doesn't mean that it will be done. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:01:08PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > So, yes, you did say that. You just didn't use those words, which is why > they weren't a quote. (Notice the lack of quotation marks.) Anyone reading > this message can follow the exact reasoning I used to get to that > conclusion, based on the facts in this message--the quoted text. Please let > me know what, if any, problems exist in my reasoning. I'm not interested in how you're turning and twisting the words --- maybe it helps if you keep in mind that using language is different from using mathematics or a programming language. The fact remains that I don't have the mysql server installed and that kde isn't working anymore after the update. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Digital Picture-Frame
David Baron wrote: These are the latest fad. Comes with USB connector and a windows program (which wine will not run). Connecting the USB yields the usual vfat file system. It mounts read-only-- left to it own devices, KDE will mount it in /media/disk. How might I use this contraption. Maybe (maybe not), an appriopriate fstab entry can get it to mount where I want it with write permissions. Problem is that a different /dev entry is used each time, i.e. /dev/sdb, /dev/sde, etc. Any ideas? 1) What make/model is it? 2) Does it have any way to interface with memory cards? Most of them do, and so if you have a spare one, you could simply copy the pictures onto that, and then from that onto the frame, using the frame's own software. -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a C+++ UL+++> P+>+++ L+++>+ E>--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP- t+ 5? X- R-- tv+ b++ DI D G++ e- h! !r y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Digital Picture-Frame
These are the latest fad. Comes with USB connector and a windows program (which wine will not run). Connecting the USB yields the usual vfat file system. It mounts read-only-- left to it own devices, KDE will mount it in /media/disk. How might I use this contraption. Maybe (maybe not), an appriopriate fstab entry can get it to mount where I want it with write permissions. Problem is that a different /dev entry is used each time, i.e. /dev/sdb, /dev/sde, etc. Any ideas? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon
Whenever I connect my modem, I see CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon. Please use nf_conntrack.acct=1 kernel paramater, acct=1 nf_conntrack module option or sysctl net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_acct=1 to enable it. I filed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526521 but there was little answer. Does this bug mean that one day I will not be able to connect my modem anymore and use iptables at the same time? Is there something wrong with my iptables?: iptables -F; iptables -X iptables -N b iptables -A b -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -A b -m state --state NEW ! -i ppp0 -j ACCEPT iptables -A b -j LOG -m limit iptables -A b -j DROP iptables -A INPUT -j b iptables -A FORWARD -j b -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: startx and KDE 4.2.2
> kdebase-workspace-bin: /usr/bin/startkde > > it's in "kdebase-workspace-bin", available in Squeeze. Hmmm. I was sure it was not there. I have used search on packages.debian.org, not apt-file, but still... My mistake. :) Thank you very much for providing the solution! I have fixed the system and everything works - well, kind of. KDE4 is not very stable, I have set desktop effects to "fast" and it froze the machine (completely). Even worse, on restart it froze again so I had to manually remove the setting from config file. And while it looks like candy it is just not as usable as KDE3. I might have jumped too fast on this wagon. Thank you again, Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: dhcpd
Steve Kemp wrote: On Wed May 27, 2009 at 21:21:07 +0200, pch0317 wrote: Can I use two "range" entry in dhcpd.conf? What happened when you tried it? or can I use two "range" in "pool" bracket? What happened when you tried it? Seriously the time it takes to test this has got to be less than the time it took to send the email and wait for people to do your homework for you. Steve -- I must assign constant IP between 192.268.0.100 and 192.168.0.209 with MAC. So I would like to randomly assign IP between 192.168.0.10-192.168.0.99 and 192.168.0.210-192.168.0.240. I test two "range" entry and it works in this time, but I don't sure it will work in other time. Thanks pch0317 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: dhcpd
On Wed May 27, 2009 at 21:21:07 +0200, pch0317 wrote: > Can I use two "range" entry in dhcpd.conf? What happened when you tried it? > or can I use two "range" in "pool" bracket? What happened when you tried it? Seriously the time it takes to test this has got to be less than the time it took to send the email and wait for people to do your homework for you. Steve -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
dhcpd
Hello
Can I use two "range" entry in dhcpd.conf?
For example:
-
ddns-update-style none;
option domain-name "dom.org";
option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.2, 192.168.0.3;
default-lease-time 4;
max-lease-time 4;
subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0
{
option routers 192.168.0.1;
range 192.168.0.10 192.168.0.99;
range 192.168.0.210 192.168.0.240;
}
host myhost
{
fixed-address 192.168.0.100;
hardware ethernet 00:01:02:03:04:05;
}
or can I use two "range" in "pool" bracket?
Thanks
pch0317
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getprocid C call
I have tried to find the *getprocid()* in Debian and could not find it, nor any equivalent. The *getproid()* function call is a standard ANSI C, is there any reason for Debian (and all other Linux I looked in) not to implement this function. The Debian I'm using is based on Linux 2.6.22.18.
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:21:15PM +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote: > > How do you maintain 15 or 30 year old hardware? > > > > Cooling, circuit breakers, relaxed duty cycle. And prayer, if you're into > that. If you want to keep it running all the time ... Even if you don't, you might have a problem when you need spare parts. > > If you don't buy everything new, you can't put your old hardware into > > storage in working order in case you need it to read some data in 30 > > years. > > > > If the issue is saving $20 on a case, then you are just $20 short of > having a working solution. Sounds good to me. Where do you get a good case for $20? Shop around a bit and you'll find that useable ones start at about $250, and good ones cost more --- if you can find one at all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
>> Find your local LUG and ask around. I can virtually guarantee that there >> someone with a storage unit full of old hardware they are keeping for some >> reason. Even better if you have a local FreeGeek. > > Who would keep all the old hardware? And for what? And it's nothing > you could rely on. > Geeks would keep that hardware. For what? For the same reason that Hillary climbed Everest. > How do you maintain 15 or 30 year old hardware? > Cooling, circuit breakers, relaxed duty cycle. And prayer, if you're into that. > If you don't buy everything new, you can't put your old hardware into > storage in working order in case you need it to read some data in 30 > years. > If the issue is saving $20 on a case, then you are just $20 short of having a working solution. Sounds good to me. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
> You might check out the database component of KOffice 2 (still in beta, > IIRC). It is supposed to be a bit friendlier than the OO.o database > component and should, by default, use an SQLite database embedded in the > document. Kexi hasn't made it into Koffice 2.0. We are still hopeful for Koffice 2.1. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?
Barclay, Daniel wrote: Paul E Condon wrote: > ... [gdm] needs a window manager before the user has even logged in. What features of a window manager does it need or use? (I don't use gdm. Does it have multiple windows that the user might need to move around or that the user might want to see decorated?) Daniel -- (Plain text sometimes corrupted to HTML "courtesy" of Microsoft Exchange.) [F] I removed twm, and gdm still works fine here. /tony -- http://www.baldwinsoftware.com free/open source software tcl yer os with a feather... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
In <20090527165037.gj5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:23:35AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> SQLite doesn't run a daemon at all. While there is an binary that >> functional as a simple "SQL Shell", all the real RDBMS work is handled >> by the shared library. > >Still it wants to install the full mysql server --- and doesn't that >package automatically start the server, even if it's then not used by >kde? Sorry. I think I've confused the conversation a bit. SQLite is not part of MySQL. It is a separate RDBMS that Akonadi may have support for in the future, since it is already understood by the QtSQL library. But yes, the mysql package that akonadi-server Depends on does install and start a system daemon. On top of that, I think Akonadi doesn't actually use that server, but rather uses a per-user "embedded" server by default. (I could very well be mistaken about that.) >> Of course, there would still be the Akonadi server hanging around -- but >> it should only wake up "on demand" when applications need services. > >But does it take CPU time to figure out if it needs to wake up? Most likely not. There are numerous ways for a process to wait for an outside event and not get scheduled by the kernel until that event occurs. select() probably being the most common. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
In <20090527163101.gg5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:53:25AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> >Then why do the dependencies require that a mysql server be installed? >> As I understand it: >> Because the "embedded" MySQL server is very much still a server. You do >> *not* have to start the daemon via the init script, and it doesn't >> listen on public ports, but it needs all the server components. >So it's neither embedded, nor a server. That might make it difficult >to use a central server for many users. Anyway, I don't like it. It's >something hidden from the user instead of telling them about >it. That's never a good idea. Actually, according to actual HCI studies it is often better to hide things from a user instead of telling them about it. Now, once the user starts looking for that setting, it should be available, but too many settings and too much explanatory text confuses rather than enlightens. >> >> These same issues can be hidden when using RDBMS backed, but the >> >> translations are usually much faster. >> >Both of these won't be human readable, plain text files. >> Actually, yes. KDE Configuration files are human-readable, plain-text >> files. They aren't free-form prose. For the most part they follow the >> ".desktop" file specification put together by XDG. >If you have to make so many "translations" of a configuration file >that nowadays' computers run into performance problems when doing so, >I don't consider the file as a human readable configuration file >anymore. I never said the translations were causing performance issues. I said they'd be faster with an SQL backend. That is definitely *not* the reason Akonadi wants an SQL backend. They are quite readable. Usually a translation is just changing the name/spelling of a key. But, it might be converting a value that is a list into multiple stanzas or something like that. Generally, they leave the values alone, but they are the migration path from 'old' configuration files to 'new' configuration files. >> >Try to read >> >your current kde configuration in 35 years, or try to read your data >> >from the the RDBMS you're currently using in 35 years. You'll find >> >that it won't be easy. >> I hope so. I plan on using different, hopefully better, software by >> then. >And what if you need the information stored in it? I won't. I'll export the data as I abandon that software. Actually, I'll export the data before I abandon the software so I can import it into the new software and test it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 09:03, Barclay, Daniel wrote: > > Paul E Condon wrote: > > ... [gdm] needs a window manager before the user has even logged in. > > What features of a window manager does it need or use? > > (I don't use gdm. Does it have multiple windows that the user might > need to move around or that the user might want to see decorated?) It depends on the theme in use, but it might: http://images.google.com/images?oe=utf-8&q=gdm+screenshot Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
In <20090527161854.gf5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:46:47AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >> >On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> >> Use the old software. >> >Where do you find the old software? >> Older releases are maintained in the archive >For 30 years or more? From what I understand, that is the plan. The archive currently goes back to the first release of Debian. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:02:56PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > I'm sure they would prefer something based on multiple > CSV files (structured, but must mostly human-readable) instead, and I see no > technical roadblocks to that goal. > > Lee, could you do or sponsor such development? Unfortunately not --- I'm not rich, and I never really understood C++. Even if I did, I might not have the time to do much. And I don't even need these applications ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/27/09 17:57, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:19:17AM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: > >> I admit that instead of just doing 'man whatever', I pipe it through >> less with 'man whatever|less', which lets me get rid of the annoying >> text at the bottom, and replacing it with a ':' which I'm more used to >> from vi/vim. > > Isn't less your default man PAGER? > Yes, but it still has the text at the bottom. Most people probably prefer it that way, but it just annoys me. - -- Many thanks Harry Rickards (GPG Key ID:646ED06A) - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT/GCM/GCS/GCC/GIT/GM d? s: a? C UL P- L+++ E--- W+++ N o K+ w--- O- M- V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R tv-- b+++ DI D G e* h! !r y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkodcXQACgkQ1kZz3mRu0GqPGgCeISv8bfkQ7V5Mkl/K5hrND/iZ Er0AmwUxxvAU6KvHpgqidmPjpYF3kLq6 =gUuf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 04:30:30PM +0100, Muzer wrote: > KDE can convert manpages to HTML on-the-fly (just browse to > man:/[()] > (where the <> denotes a required argument, [] an optional argument) Try using w3mman as your man program. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
In <20090527160338.ge5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31:00AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >> >On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> >> In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: >> >> >On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:28:50PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> Oh, then you don't want to run those parts of KDE; They require a >> >> >> connection to an Akonadi server. They've been scheduled to since >> >> >> before KDE 4.0 was available. >> >> > >> >> >Maybe not. I'd be fine without them, if it would work without --- >> >> > but it doesn't. >> >> >> >> I said it before, and I'll say it again: That is just not true. I >> >> was careful in my package selection and I have a working KDE 4.2 >> >> (including my must-have kmail) and I do not have a mysql server >> >> installed. >> >> >> >> KDE 4.2 can work without Akonadi, with a minimum of fuss. >> > >> >It is true, just a matter of fact. >> >> No, it is not. >> >> Your statement: KDE 4.2 doesn't work without the parts that want an >> Akonadi server. > >I've never said that. Your exact statement: "I'd be fine without them, if it would work without --- but it doesn't." In your statement "them" refers to "those parts of KDE" that "require a connection to an Akonadi server". Put more succinctly, "the parts that want an Akonadi server". In your statement "it" refers to "KDE 4.2", the version of KDE that entered testing and is causing you problems. Performing substitutions, your statement becomes: I'd be fine without the parts that want an Akonadi server, if KDE 4.2 would work without --- but KDE 4.2 doesn't. Focusing on the second independent clause gives: KDE 4.2 doesn't. Doesn't what? This part was elided from the second independent clause because it was already in the first independent clause. Adding it back gives: KDE 4.2 doesn't work without. Without what? This part was elided from the first independent clause because it was already in the dependent clause. Adding it back gives: KDE 4.2 doesn't work without the parts that want an Akonadi server. So, yes, you did say that. You just didn't use those words, which is why they weren't a quote. (Notice the lack of quotation marks.) Anyone reading this message can follow the exact reasoning I used to get to that conclusion, based on the facts in this message--the quoted text. Please let me know what, if any, problems exist in my reasoning. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian Linux
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:19:17AM +0100, Harry Rickards wrote: > I admit that instead of just doing 'man whatever', I pipe it through > less with 'man whatever|less', which lets me get rid of the annoying > text at the bottom, and replacing it with a ':' which I'm more used to > from vi/vim. Isn't less your default man PAGER? -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:06:48AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > lee wrote: > > Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I > > want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solution > > first to keep the resource usage low: There are some games I want to > > play, and I don't want to have to try stopping things that are running > > before I can play them smoothly. > > A database server that isn't doing anything doesn't use any resources. It uses space on the hard disks and memory. It uses CPU time when it's being started and when it's shut down. It eventually comes with crontab entries that eventually run something. And how is figured out if it needs to do something or if it can remain asleep? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
lee wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:23:35AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In <20090526144742.gd5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solution first to keep the resource usage low: There are some games I want to play, and I don't want to have to try stopping things that are running before I can play them smoothly. SQLite doesn't run a daemon at all. While there is an binary that functional as a simple "SQL Shell", all the real RDBMS work is handled by the shared library. Still it wants to install the full mysql server --- and doesn't that package automatically start the server, even if it's then not used by kde? Not that I couldn't prevent that, but they could make a package that only installs the needed library instead of the full server ... Haven't tested it, but couldn't you do (for example): aptitude install koffice sqlite to make it use the other one? Chances are both will satisfy the dependancy, just sql is listed before sqlite. Of course, there would still be the Akonadi server hanging around -- but it should only wake up "on demand" when applications need services. But does it take CPU time to figure out if it needs to wake up? -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a C+++ UL+++> P+>+++ L+++>+ E>--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP- t+ 5? X- R-- tv+ b++ DI D G++ e- h! !r y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:23:35AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <20090526144742.gd5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: > >Even if I wanted to run an RDBMS because it's needed for something I > >want, I'd think at least twice about it and look for another solution > >first to keep the resource usage low: There are some games I want to > >play, and I don't want to have to try stopping things that are running > >before I can play them smoothly. > > SQLite doesn't run a daemon at all. While there is an binary that > functional as a simple "SQL Shell", all the real RDBMS work is handled by > the shared library. Still it wants to install the full mysql server --- and doesn't that package automatically start the server, even if it's then not used by kde? Not that I couldn't prevent that, but they could make a package that only installs the needed library instead of the full server ... > Of course, there would still be the Akonadi server hanging around -- but it > should only wake up "on demand" when applications need services. But does it take CPU time to figure out if it needs to wake up? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: In <4a1d6a99.9040...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: Barclay, Daniel wrote: Muzer wrote: KDE can convert manpages to HTML on-the-fly (just browse to man:/[()] (where the <> denotes a required argument, [] an optional argument) Which part of KDE is that? (What is KDE's file/etc. browser?) konqueror Although, I thought that any URL that works in konqueror should work with all applications that use the kio libraries. That is correct. -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a C+++ UL+++> P+>+++ L+++>+ E>--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP- t+ 5? X- R-- tv+ b++ DI D G++ e- h! !r y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?
Foss User wrote: 4. Can someone share the equivalent 'aptitude why' output from a system running KDE? On Kubuntu (which I know isn't debian, but it's all I have at the moment): mu...@muzer-desktop:~$ aptitude why twm i kdm Recommends kdebase | x-session-manager | x-window-manager p twm Provides x-window-manager mu...@muzer-desktop:~$ Note that I don't actually have it installed: mu...@muzer-desktop:~$ aptitude show twm Package: twm New: yes State: not installed Version: 1:1.0.4-2 Priority: optional Section: universe/x11 Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers Uncompressed Size: 418k Depends: menu (>= 2.1.26), libc6 (>= 2.4), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libsm6, libx11-6, libxext6, libxmu6, libxt6 PreDepends: x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0) Provides: x-window-manager Description: Tab window manager twm is a window manager for the X Window System. It provides title bars, shaped windows, several forms of icon management, user-defined macro functions, click-to-type and pointer-driven keyboard focus, and user-specified key and pointer button bindings. mu...@muzer-desktop:~$ (Again, this is for Kubuntu, not Debian, so it could be different, but I doubt it) -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a C+++ UL+++> P+>+++ L+++>+ E>--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP- t+ 5? X- R-- tv+ b++ DI D G++ e- h! !r y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:20:54AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <20090526144742.gd5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: > >On a side note, what I could use is a Linux version of MS Access. That > >really is one very useful tool, and even that doesn't require an > >RDBMS. > > Actually, it does. The Microsoft Jet Database Engine is a required part of > an MS Access install. MS Excel might even require it at this point. Sorry, I was mistaken about the meaning of RDBMS. I was thinking about a DBMS that uses some sort of server which can be run on another computer (or the same). > You might check out the database component of KOffice 2 (still in beta, > IIRC). It is supposed to be a bit friendlier than the OO.o database > component and should, by default, use an SQLite database embedded in the > document. Sounds good --- I'll try it out. 44 packages to install ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
In <4a1d6a99.9040...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >Barclay, Daniel wrote: >> Muzer wrote: >>> KDE can convert manpages to HTML on-the-fly (just browse to >>> man:/[()] >>> (where the <> denotes a required argument, [] an optional argument) >> Which part of KDE is that? (What is KDE's file/etc. browser?) >konqueror Although, I thought that any URL that works in konqueror should work with all applications that use the kio libraries. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:36:09PM +, marc wrote: > lee said: > > > Both of these won't be human readable, plain text files. Try to read > > your current kde configuration in 35 years, or try to read your data > > from the the RDBMS you're currently using in 35 years. You'll find that > > it won't be easy. > > > Maybe software developers need to wake up and find a solution for > > keeping data readable and useable for long periods of time --- if that's > > possible at all. > > Problem solved: > > New memory material may hold data for one billion years. > > http://www.physorg.com/news162061022.html Having a storage medium that can store data for a long time is only part of the problem (and not one for software developers). What's for software developers is, is finding storage formats for data that will still be commonly used in a hundred years --- or even in a billion years. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
gfs - Error joining the fence group.
Running Debian Lenny 64bit on vmware-server 1.0.7 Linux deb64bit-node2 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 04:02:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 The configuration is adapted from the min-gfs.txt from the debian gfs2-tools but fails with fencing ... ### the result from cman restart: # deb64bit-node1:/usr/share/doc/gfs2-tools# /etc/init.d/cman restart Stopping cluster manager Stopping Quorum Disk daemon: done Leaving fence domain: done Stopping daemons:/etc/init.d/cman: line 86: 4244 Beendet fence_tool -w leave gfs_controld dlm_controld fenced groupd Leaving the cluster:cman_tool: Cannot open connection to cman, is it running ? done Stopping cluster configuration system: done Unmounting config filesystem: done Starting cluster manager: Loading kernel modules: done Mounting config filesystem: done Starting cluster configuration system: done Joining cluster: done Starting daemons: groupd fenced dlm_controld gfs_controld Joining fence domain:Waiting for fenced to join the fence group. Waiting for fenced to join the fence group. Waiting for fenced to join the fence group. ... Waiting for fenced to join the fence group. Waiting for fenced to join the fence group. Error joining the fence group. done Starting Quorum Disk daemon: done ### /etc/cluster/cluster.conf ### -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:53:25AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >Then why do the dependencies require that a mysql server be installed? > > As I understand it: > Because the "embedded" MySQL server is very much still a server. You do > *not* have to start the daemon via the init script, and it doesn't listen on > public ports, but it needs all the server components. So it's neither embedded, nor a server. That might make it difficult to use a central server for many users. Anyway, I don't like it. It's something hidden from the user instead of telling them about it. That's never a good idea. > >> These same issues can be hidden when using RDBMS backed, but the > >> translations are usually much faster. > > > >Both of these won't be human readable, plain text files. > > Actually, yes. KDE Configuration files are human-readable, plain-text > files. They aren't free-form prose. For the most part they follow the > ".desktop" file specification put together by XDG. If you have to make so many "translations" of a configuration file that nowadays' computers run into performance problems when doing so, I don't consider the file as a human readable configuration file anymore. > The application writers can abuse them to store binary data, but that's true > of any plain-text format. Yeah, that something is plain text doesn't mean that it is human readable. > >Try to read > >your current kde configuration in 35 years, or try to read your data > >from the the RDBMS you're currently using in 35 years. You'll find > >that it won't be easy. > > I hope so. I plan on using different, hopefully better, software by then. And what if you need the information stored in it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: hi, all, help me with debian installation!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yi Zhao wrote: > yes, I do this, but, when I choose this, it tell me this operation will > create a new partitions on this disk, I think this will erase my data on > my disk, so I choose "go back" The way I understand it "create new partition" actually means create filesystem, ie. erase what is present on that particular partition and start again. So if you leave a particular partition unchanged then it will leave that alone. HTH, Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkodaocACgkQsUUdIDHrdAXvtwCfZhcEl44KGaDkZQJtX95wVhVK lDoAoJ7wJaP2dp3JZ4k/YTeQdksk3oSP =xAu7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
Barclay, Daniel wrote: > Muzer wrote: >> KDE can convert manpages to HTML on-the-fly (just browse to >> man:/[()] >> (where the <> denotes a required argument, [] an optional argument) > > Which part of KDE is that? (What is KDE's file/etc. browser?) konqueror Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: etch pam update not signed
Hi Tom,
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:04:23AM -0400, Tom Vier wrote:
> Anyone know why these aren't signed (or signed by an unknown key)? I
> installed the latest keyring.
>
> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
> libpam-runtime libpam0g libpam-modules libpq4
> Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
Verifying manually for
http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Release{,.gpg}:
] he...@caro:/tmp>gpg --verify Release.gpg Release
] gpg: Signature made 24 May 2009 14:12:02 MEST using RSA key ID 55BE302B
] gpg: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny)
"
] gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
] gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
] Primary key fingerprint: 150C 8614 919D 8446 E01E 83AF 9AA3 8DCD 55BE 302B
] gpg: Signature made 24 May 2009 14:12:02 MEST using DSA key ID 6070D3A1
] gpg: Good signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch)
"
] gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
] gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
] Primary key fingerprint: A999 51DA F9BB 569B DB50 AD90 A70D AF53 6070 D3A1
Looks good to me. You might want to check /etc/apt/trusted.gpg and
the state of your debian-archive-keyring package.
Regards,
Jan
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Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:46:47AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: > >On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >> Use the old software. It might not run on the latest release of Debian, > >> but it should run on whatever version you had before. Older releases > >> are maintained in the archive, and you can archive whatever you need > >> yourself if you don't want to depend on the Debian infrastructure. > >> > >> No one is forced to upgrade, but support does dwindle for a product over > >> time. > > > >Where do you find the old software? > > "Older releases are maintained in the archive" For 30 years or more? > >How do you get it to run on > >contemporary hardware? > > Run it on the hardware you were running it on before. We are talking about > accessing the data for the purpose of migration; you should still have the > hardware (and software) you are migrating from. 1.) When I'm changing hardware, I'm usually replacing board, CPU and RAM. I take that out of the case and put the new stuff in. That means I can't run the software on the old hardware anymore, not without changing the stuff out again. It would really suck if I had to do that. 2.) I'm not so much talking about migration as about keeping data readable. Keep it on your disks or put it aside on some removable storage medium, then after 15 or 30 years, try to read it. Having used a mysql database to store the data doesn't make it easier to read it after 15 or 30 years. > >Or do you suggest to rent old hardware from a > >museum to install 15 or 20 year old software on it to make your data > >accessible? > > Find your local LUG and ask around. I can virtually guarantee that there > someone with a storage unit full of old hardware they are keeping for some > reason. Even better if you have a local FreeGeek. Who would keep all the old hardware? And for what? And it's nothing you could rely on. > >Or are you suggesting to rent storage space to pile up old > >hardware? > > If that's what you need to keep your data safe. I certainly don't suggest > running on hardware platform that you can't maintain (which includes > acquiring replacement parts). How do you maintain 15 or 30 year old hardware? > >That would require you to buy everything new, including hard > >disks, for example, when upgrading your hardware, and that's something > >I never did. > > That's not true. It might mean you have to multi-task hardware during the > transition, but I generally don't buy everything new either. Gradual > upgrades are much preferable. If you don't buy everything new, you can't put your old hardware into storage in working order in case you need it to read some data in 30 years. > >And who guarantees that 30 year old hardware you kept in > >storage will still work when you need it? > > You do. No, I don't. I have no way to do that. I didn't manufacture it. I can only assume that it might work or not after 30 years. If what you're saying is practical for you, go ahead and keep your pile of hardware over 30 years or longer and try to put something together to read your data when you need to. That isn't practical for me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Second ethernet card seems to cause networking failure?
Following up, particularly on Adrian Levi's suggestion to eliminate the gateway spec in /etc/network/interfaces: Thanks, Adrian! Your idea makes sense. Trying it: it changes the routing table exactly as you described, causing my routing table to match yours (excepting, of course, the specific IP#s). Regrettably, the problem persists - though possibly with a different threshold of sorts, as pinging now seems to work. However- apt-get update still hangs. I have to kill BOTH the firewall and eth1 in order to make this work (not seeming to wait indefinitely for communication). I think the gateway correction is definitely a step in the right direction. In case someone want to know (I'm not trying to withhold information!) my /etc/apt/sources.list is very boring: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free Thanks to everyone for your ideas... hopefully the next one will resolve matters entirely. -f -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
Muzer wrote: > KDE can convert manpages to HTML on-the-fly (just browse to > man:/[()] > (where the <> denotes a required argument, [] an optional argument) Which part of KDE is that? (What is KDE's file/etc. browser?) Daniel -- (Plain text sometimes corrupted to HTML "courtesy" of Microsoft Exchange.) [F]
Re: KDE is now broken (Fwd: Heads-up: KDE4 hitting testing tonight (UTC) )
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:31:00AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <20090526142918.gc5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: > >On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 01:17:16PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >> In <20090525163904.gb5...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: > >> >On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:28:50PM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >> >> In <20090524145214.ga16...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com>, lee wrote: > >> >> >I > >> >> >don't want to run an akonadi server either, whatever that is. > >> >> Oh, then you don't want to run those parts of KDE; They require a > >> >> connection to an Akonadi server. They've been scheduled to since > >> >> before KDE 4.0 was available. > >> >Maybe not. I'd be fine without them, if it would work without --- but > >> >it doesn't. > >> I said it before, and I'll say it again: That is just not true. I was > >> careful in my package selection and I have a working KDE 4.2 (including > >> my must-have kmail) and I do not have a mysql server installed. > >> > >> KDE 4.2 can work without Akonadi, with a minimum of fuss. > >It is true, just a matter of fact. > > No, it is not. > > Your statement: KDE 4.2 doesn't work without the parts that want an Akonadi > server. I've never said that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Is gnome built on top of twm?
Paul E Condon wrote: > ... [gdm] needs a window manager before the user has even logged in. What features of a window manager does it need or use? (I don't use gdm. Does it have multiple windows that the user might need to move around or that the user might want to see decorated?) Daniel -- (Plain text sometimes corrupted to HTML "courtesy" of Microsoft Exchange.) [F]
Re: Debian Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/27/09 16:39, Harry Rickards wrote: > On 05/27/09 11:54, Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> Harry Rickards wrote: >>> On 05/27/09 10:20, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: rand...@songshu.org wrote: > most new users don't now the existence of the automatically > installed man pages. > admittedly i also find it more readable in a browser. Konqueror will display the local man pages when you enter "man:rtfm" in the location bar (provided you have funny-manpages installed). [You didn't tell which browser you are using, I don't think that feature is available for iceweasel] Cheers, Johannes >>> I use proper Firefox (3.5b4) instead of iceweasel, but when I enter >>> "man:whatever" it opens up gnome-help with the appropriate man page. >>> man:startx works, but man:rtfm doesn't. I can get to rtfm in gnome-help, >>> so maybe I just have to restart Firefox or something? >>> >> There's a FF add-on to do this: >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9619 > > Thanks, I'll take a look. Is anyone using it with FF 3.5? > To answer my own question: it works fine. I'm using: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b4) Gecko/20090423 Firefox/3.5b4 - -- Many thanks Harry Rickards (GPG Key ID:646ED06A) - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT/GCM/GCS/GCC/GIT/GM d? s: a? C UL P- L+++ E--- W+++ N o K+ w--- O- M- V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R tv-- b+++ DI D G e* h! !r y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkodYu8ACgkQ1kZz3mRu0GrwmgCg7f0+MbXGm5GSBCKJOrvTkgmx 8CwAoL76iVCmStPClqvPpskZZObw/xfE =k13m -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Midori dependencies problem with sid
In <20090526222842.ga5...@sprite>, Joel Roth wrote: >I thought I'd give the Webkit based Midori browser >a try, and ran into a dependency problem. > >I've got libwebkit. > >ii libwebkit-1.0-2 1.1.7-1 >ii libwebkit-1.0-common 1.1.7-1 > >What about Midori: ># apt-get install midori > >The following packages have unmet dependencies: > midori: Depends: libwebkit-1.0-1 (>= 1.0.1) but it is not installable > >To me, 1.0-2 >= 1.0-1. Careful. Those numbers that you are comparing aren't versions as far as dpkg/apt is concerned. You have the package "libwebkit-1.0-2" version "1.1.7-1". But, the package "midori" needs the package "libwebkit-1.0-1" version "1.0.1" or greater. Package names are only compared for equality; they aren't ordered and a request for one package cannot be satisfied by another package without an explicit Provides relationship. It is fairly common for library packages to have their SO_VERSION as part of their package name. The naming for webkit is a bit odd, but it is allowed. I suppose you'd have to ask the maintainer why (s)he is using such a confusing package name. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: why must emacs depend on sound packages?
Chris Jones wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:04:44PM EDT, Barclay, Daniel wrote: >> Chris Jones wrote: > > [..] > >>> Where the above no longer works for me is when the two action keys >>> do not belong to the same half of the keyboard - such as Ctrl-X >>> Ctrl-P, because I would use my right thumb to action the Control >>> key, the left hand ring finger to hit X, and then would be stuck >>> having to maintain the right Control key depressed and hit the "P" >>> key with my right pinky. > >> Ah, that might be your problem right there: Using "proper" shifting >> technique (as a typing teaching would presumably teach). Oh, >> wait--you aren't switching from left to right control key there. But >> you are using a thumb on an improperly positioned control key. Such >> an abomination! :-) > > It certainly is not. I was under the impression that homo sapiens > differed from the apes due to his opposable thumb. Huh? You think other primates don't have opposable thumbs? In any case, the significance of opposable thumbs is in _grabbing_ things (you know, between fingers (finger and thumb) moving in _opposing_ directions). There no direct relationship to pressing keys. > With proper typing > position - the wrists unbent, pretty much horizontal, reaching for the > Windows keys remapped to Control is totally effortless. If it works for you, then quit complaining. I was trying to help you because you seemed to find Emacs' modifier keys inconvenient. (By the way, do you mean that you curl your left thumb under your hand to reach the Windows key, or do you move your whole hand to the left (using the left control key only with keys typed by your right hand, per "proper" typing style)?) >> Try using your left pinky on the (left) control key its rightful >> (original) place, immediately to the left of the A key (assuming >> English/QWERTY layout)). Then use your left ring finger (instead >> of the "proper" left pinky) on the q, a, and z keys when you >> need to enter C-q, C-a, or C-z, respectively; and shift fingers >> on the next column or two as needed. > > Now you are kidding, right? Were you actually paying attention when you wrote that? Did my description somehow retain some ambiguity I thought I avoided? How hard is it to put your left pinky on the key immediately to the left of the A key and then put your left ring finger on the A key? That leaves those fingers right next to each other. Or was your comment not implying that it was hard but just reacting to its difference from proper (per typing class) fingering? >> The C-x C-p is easy: left pinky left control down, left middle or >> ring finger x down, right pinky or ring finger p down, and then >> all finger up in any order you want (or no order (simultaneous)). > > My guess is that you must have a couple of RSI doctors among your close > relatives. Again, I don't think you're paying attention. Trying to press the control key(s) where IBM moved it to is a lot harder than pressing it where it was originally. (Obviously, your placement of them on the Windows keys is better than the default PC-keyboard positions.) > Not only is this very difficult to get right consistently without > looking at the keys ...but it > completely leaves out the fact that in my personal case, there is a > wired-in association between a given key and a given finger. > > I am reusing the basic associations acquired while typing to which I > only added two+two (Control & Alt keys) synchronized thumb actions. If I > followed your advice, I would have to build into my personal muscle > memory an entire new set of finger actions that are both inconsistent > with my (standard) typing habits ... Actually, it would be only about half of one hand of finger-to-key associations--only left hand, and only whichever keys one re-assigns. Hmm. I think I have "Emacs control-key mode" vs. "regular mode." I notice that I shift my left hand left a bit (to put my pinky on the left-of-A control key) and widen my fingers (some fingers stay in their normal columns (e.g., index finger for F key)). Note that I don't typically shift to control-key mode for just a single command (one control-key sequence). More typically, I shift my hand left for "move-around and cut/copy- and-paste mode" (e.g, C-a, C-e, C-p, C-n, C-w, C-y, etc.) and then shift back to normal touch-typing position for "typing words" mode. In particular, I frequently press the control key and don't let it up until I've hit a half a dozen or more other keys (regardless of which hand presses them). Whether you'll ever like Emacs control-key sequences probably depends on how often you use them--that is, whether you usually do things (e.g., lots of moving around between typing text) that require many control keys in a row (where the press-Control-and-hold aspect helps more) or you usually just use a few interspersed in more "plain" typing. > _and_ physically stressful. > > Seriously, left pinky on the key to
Re: hi, all, help me with debian installation!!
(sorry for the duplicate post, Yi. I forgot to send it to the list) On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Yi Zhao wrote: > yes, I do this, but, when I choose this, it tell me this operation will > create a new partitions on this disk, I think this will erase my data on my > disk, so I choose "go back" > > I can't find choose partitions in other operations... I'm a little unclear about what the problem is. Is the installation process the same up until the partitioning part? That is, before getting to the partitioning part of the installation are you asked to choose your language, keyboard, timezone, etc.? If not, then what are you using to install? Here's a shot . . . After choosing to partition manually, what do you do? Are you trying to save data your old debian partition? If not, then just highlight your old debian partition and click continue. If the system is "broken," then I don't know why or how would save data. Anyway, there will be a set of options, one of which will be to erase all the data on that partition. Then you should be able to (re)install debian there. Make sense? > > > thanks. > > --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Thierry Chatelet wrote: > > From: Thierry Chatelet > Subject: Re: hi, all, help me with debian installation!! > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:56 PM > > On Wednesday 27 May 2009 12:46:20 Yi Zhao wrote: >> hi, all: >> I have a disk which install windows(30G) and debian(30G), but sometimes >> ago, my debian is broken, so I want to resintall it on the exists >> partitions(I don't want to create other new partitions), but, when I run >> the installation program, I can't find the operation to find the exists >> partitions, so I can't continue my installation. the installer only >> display >> the whole disk(60G) and ask me to create new partitions in this >> disk my disk have the exist partition is: >> /dev/sda5 --> /home >> /dev/sda6 ---> / >> /dev/sda7 ---> windows/C: >> /dev/sda8 ---> windows/D: >> >> I want to install debian in the exist /home and / partitions. >> >> >> can only body help me??? >> >> thanks very much! >> > > When you get to "Partion disk" choose "Manual Partitionning" > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > > > -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny printing competition -- still open?
In <4a1d55f7.70...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> In , Miguel >> Obliviemo >> wrote: >>> I just noticed the "Print to Win" or "Print 2 Win" promotion in the >>> HOWTO directory >> >> I have no idea what you are talking about and couldn't find a reference >> to a similarly named anything on my Lenny/Squeeze system. > >I guess OP is talking about > >$ apt-file search Print2Win >doc-linux-html: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Print2Win.html > >an old HOWTO about printing from linux to printers attached to M$ >operating computers. > >Just a joke, I suppose ;-) Ah, I don't have that package installed, so wonder I couldn't find the information. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/27/09 11:54, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Harry Rickards wrote: >> >> On 05/27/09 10:20, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >>> rand...@songshu.org wrote: most new users don't now the existence of the automatically installed man pages. admittedly i also find it more readable in a browser. >>> Konqueror will display the local man pages when you enter "man:rtfm" in >>> the location bar (provided you have funny-manpages installed). >>> >>> [You didn't tell which browser you are using, I don't think that feature >>> is available for iceweasel] >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Johannes >>> >>> >> I use proper Firefox (3.5b4) instead of iceweasel, but when I enter >> "man:whatever" it opens up gnome-help with the appropriate man page. >> man:startx works, but man:rtfm doesn't. I can get to rtfm in gnome-help, >> so maybe I just have to restart Firefox or something? >> > > There's a FF add-on to do this: > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9619 > Thanks, I'll take a look. Is anyone using it with FF 3.5? - -- Many thanks Harry Rickards (GPG Key ID:646ED06A) - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT/GCM/GCS/GCC/GIT/GM d? s: a? C UL P- L+++ E--- W+++ N o K+ w--- O- M- V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R tv-- b+++ DI D G e* h! !r y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkodXq8ACgkQ1kZz3mRu0GqQnwCfXzCkLdPpN/JQEz+4NfaUx4C5 niEAn0vaqATGLibgp7hXX2LRqOpJ+u7F =jZam -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
rand...@songshu.org wrote: And easier to navigate when they have been converted to html, e.g. http://manpages.courier-mta.org/mansection1.html You should keep in mind that these are likely not current or in sync' with your system. http://manpages.debian.net/ is pretty much in sync i guess. the only "problem with that site is that it cgi generates the pages, so its not indexed by google, one of the reasons that they did it differently for the ubuntu version. in my turn i made the http://manpages.songshu.org basically copying ubuntu's site and applied it to debian, nothing special further but it was a nice practice material. KDE can convert manpages to HTML on-the-fly (just browse to man:/[()] (where the <> denotes a required argument, [] an optional argument) -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d>++ s+:- a C+++ UL+++> P+>+++ L+++>+ E>--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP- t+ 5? X- R-- tv+ b++ DI D G++ e- h! !r y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Panels in Xfce4 in Squeeze
On Tue,26.May.09, 03:49:24, Peter Crawford wrote: > > Do you still have it if you restart xfce4? > > No; I put it in > Desktop Menu -> Applications -> Settings -> Session and Startup This shouldn't be necessary. > > I think for some reason the panel crashed and you saved your session > without it.It vanished in the Xfce4 update about a week ago. > Other programs were carried over; not xfce4-panel. Do you mean updated? > If xfce4-panel is not running, > Desktop Menu -> Applications -> Settings -> Panel > should start it. This strikes me as a bug. What about a new user, does it work correctly? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Midori dependencies problem with sid
On Tue, 26 May 2009 12:28:42 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > Hi debmasters, > > I thought I'd give the Webkit based Midori browser > a try, and ran into a dependency problem. > > I've got libwebkit. > > ii libwebkit-1.0-2 1.1.7-1 > Web content engine library for Gtk+ ii > libwebkit-1.0-common 1.1.7-1 Web > content engine library for Gtk+ - data files > > > What about Midori: > > # apt-get install midori > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > midori: Depends: libwebkit-1.0-1 (>= 1.0.1) but it is not > installable > > To me, 1.0-2 >= 1.0-1. > > --force-yes doesn't help here. Any other suggestions? > > Thanks > Install Midori 0.1.6-1 from Experimental, that works with this version of webkit. -- Nyizsa. http://nyizsa.uni.cc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: hi, all, help me with debian installation!!
yes, I do this, but, when I choose this, it tell me this operation will create a new partitions on this disk, I think this will erase my data on my disk, so I choose "go back" I can't find choose partitions in other operations... thanks. --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Thierry Chatelet wrote: From: Thierry Chatelet Subject: Re: hi, all, help me with debian installation!! To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:56 PM On Wednesday 27 May 2009 12:46:20 Yi Zhao wrote: > hi, all: > I have a disk which install windows(30G) and debian(30G), but sometimes > ago, my debian is broken, so I want to resintall it on the exists > partitions(I don't want to create other new partitions), but, when I run > the installation program, I can't find the operation to find the exists > partitions, so I can't continue my installation. the installer only display > the whole disk(60G) and ask me to create new partitions in this > disk my disk have the exist partition is: > /dev/sda5 --> /home > /dev/sda6 ---> / > /dev/sda7 ---> windows/C: > /dev/sda8 ---> windows/D: > > I want to install debian in the exist /home and / partitions. > > > can only body help me??? > > thanks very much! > When you get to "Partion disk" choose "Manual Partitionning" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny printing competition -- still open?
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In , Miguel Obliviemo > wrote: >> I just noticed the "Print to Win" or "Print 2 Win" promotion in the >> HOWTO directory > > I have no idea what you are talking about and couldn't find a reference to a > similarly named anything on my Lenny/Squeeze system. Please provide a > package+pathname or URL. I guess OP is talking about $ apt-file search Print2Win doc-linux-html: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Print2Win.html an old HOWTO about printing from linux to printers attached to M$ operating computers. Just a joke, I suppose ;-) Cheers, Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
And easier to navigate when they have been converted to html, e.g. http://manpages.courier-mta.org/mansection1.html You should keep in mind that these are likely not current or in sync' with your system. http://manpages.debian.net/ is pretty much in sync i guess. the only "problem with that site is that it cgi generates the pages, so its not indexed by google, one of the reasons that they did it differently for the ubuntu version. in my turn i made the http://manpages.songshu.org basically copying ubuntu's site and applied it to debian, nothing special further but it was a nice practice material. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [pptp-devel] How to config openvpn in debian lenny ?
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:24 PM, a dehqan wrote: > In The Name Of god > > Thank alot for your attentions ;excuse from this mailing list PROPRIETOR, > i was not awar so what is openvpn mailing list ? > > regards dehqan > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Charlie Brady wrote: > >> >> Please stop asking openvpn questions on a pptp mailing list. >> >> On Wed, 27 May 2009, a dehqan wrote: >> >> > In The Name Of God >> > >> > Thanks alot for you'r attentions ,But why someone think that they just >> knows >> > google.com ? >> > Yes , that link is for etch and i dont know which steps are for client . >> > And somewhere in that page has been said : >> > Run the following comand lines : >> > >> > source /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/vars >> > for OPENVPN_CLIENT in $OPENVPN_CLIENTS; do >> > export KEY_COMMONNAME="$OPENVPN_CLIENT.client.$OPENVPN_SERVER"; >> > /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/build-key $OPENVPN_CLIENT; >> > done >> > >> > for doing that should i copy from source to done in terminal ?how >> > should it be runned ? >> > Is that step needed for client ? >> > >> > Regards dehqan >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Paul Howarth >> wrote: >> > >> > > On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:29:02 +0430 >> > > a dehqan wrote: >> > > >> > > > In The Name Of God >> > > > >> > > > I'll be thankfull if you guide ,How to config openvpn in debian >> > > > client ? >> > > >> > > This is completely off topic for pptpclient-devel but I'd suggest a >> > > straightforward google search: >> > > >> > > http://www.google.com/search?q=openvpn+client+debian+lenny >> > > >> > > The first hit seems to cover what you're after even though it was >> > > originally written for Etch: >> > > >> > > >> > > >> http://howto.landure.fr/gnu-linux/debian-4-0-etch-en/install-and-setup-openvpn-on-debian-4-0-etch >> > > >> > > Paul. >> > > >> > >> >> -- >> Charlie Brady charlie_br...@mitel.com >> Mitel Networks Corporation http://www.mitel.com/ >> Phone: +1 (613) 592 5660 or 592 2122 Fax: +1 (613) 592 1175 >> >> A: Because we read from top to bottom, left to right. >> Q: Why should i start my reply below the quoted text? >> >> >
Re: Operating system-level virtualization: how to make it?
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 08:46:49PM +0200, Laurent Guignard wrote: > > On Fri, 22 May 2009 18:02:27 +, Sylvain Le Gall wrote: > > > On 22-05-2009, Sthu Deus wrote: > > > > How I can organize a Operating system-level virtualization on a > server > > > > for every service I would isolate? > > > > > > Use a chroot (standard) or a vserver (search for vserver in debian > > > archives there is a kernel version and two packages for userland > tools). > > > > > > vserver is more flexible and allow you to assign IP address et al. > > > > Beyond the question, what is the interest to virtualize services. I > understand > > the need to virtualize different machine for OS specific server software, > > tests and so on. > > Is there anywhere to find when virtualization is the best way to solve a > > problem and when it isn't ? > > > Unless something has changed, to be really secure, virtualization has to > be fully supported in the hardware of the CPU so that there are no CPU > instructions that can be issued from within the virtual machine to break > out of it. i386/amd64 don't meet that criteria. I don't know what > other vendors have, but e.g. IBM's Power architecture does, and provides > logical partitions (LPARs) at the firmware level which appear to the OS > as a real piece of hardware. > > AFAIK, virtualization on i386/amd64, beyond the os-specific software or > testing issues, is a gimmick. It may provide one extra layer for > someone to try to break out of but it also adds an extra layer to hold > bugs. > > Doug. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > > There is nothing like LPAR in x86/amd64 architecture. Totally different arch. Believe me I work for the eye bee m company. -- "It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas"
Does the vfat partition need defrag under Gnu/Linux ?
Hello, I have an external disk actually using one vfat partition type, so I'm wondering if it's necessary to defrag it since I used to save and remove a lot and large files. Any suggestions ? Thanks, -- Rodrigo Hashimoto
etch pam update not signed
Anyone know why these aren't signed (or signed by an unknown key)? I installed the latest keyring. WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libpam-runtime libpam0g libpam-modules libpq4 Install these packages without verification [y/N]? -- Tom Vier DSA Key ID 0x15741ECE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny printing competition -- still open?
In , Miguel Obliviemo wrote: >I just noticed the "Print to Win" or "Print 2 Win" promotion in the >HOWTO directory I have no idea what you are talking about and couldn't find a reference to a similarly named anything on my Lenny/Squeeze system. Please provide a package+pathname or URL. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Luks encrypted partition gets identified as ntfs
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:52:20AM +0100, Aron wrote: > About 4 years of research I have in there so far got that gut feeling > it's going up in smokes. I surely hope you have backups, either not encrypted or encrypted with something else (I use openssl). Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Hello!! I'm New
Bipin Babu wrote: > b. this mailing list follows 'bottom posting' and does not appreciate > 'top posting' Trimming [1], ie. cutting of unneeded content in replies is also generally prefered. As is inline replying [2]. Use common sense to make it as simple as possible to others to read your post. Most people on this list have the thread present (either in their mail program or via the web) and therefore it is _not_ wanted to resend the whole conversation over and over again (as is common practise in some commercial environments). Cheers, have fun! Johannes [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Trimming_and_reformatting [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Inline_replying -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Operating system-level virtualization: how to make it?
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 08:46:49PM +0200, Laurent Guignard wrote: > On Fri, 22 May 2009 18:02:27 +, Sylvain Le Gall wrote: > > On 22-05-2009, Sthu Deus wrote: > > > How I can organize a Operating system-level virtualization on a server > > > for every service I would isolate? > > > > Use a chroot (standard) or a vserver (search for vserver in debian > > archives there is a kernel version and two packages for userland tools). > > > > vserver is more flexible and allow you to assign IP address et al. > > Beyond the question, what is the interest to virtualize services. I understand > the need to virtualize different machine for OS specific server software, > tests and so on. > Is there anywhere to find when virtualization is the best way to solve a > problem and when it isn't ? Unless something has changed, to be really secure, virtualization has to be fully supported in the hardware of the CPU so that there are no CPU instructions that can be issued from within the virtual machine to break out of it. i386/amd64 don't meet that criteria. I don't know what other vendors have, but e.g. IBM's Power architecture does, and provides logical partitions (LPARs) at the firmware level which appear to the OS as a real piece of hardware. AFAIK, virtualization on i386/amd64, beyond the os-specific software or testing issues, is a gimmick. It may provide one extra layer for someone to try to break out of but it also adds an extra layer to hold bugs. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Skype not working in sid
Hi, Skype no longer work after lib32asound2 upgrade to 1.0.20-1. It printed this error message before quit: skype: relocation error: skype: symbol snd_pcm_hw_params_get_channels_min, version ALSA_0.9.0rc4 not defined in file libasound.so.2 with link time reference Downgrade lib32asound2 and libasound2 to 1.0.19-1 (which is in testing) temporarily solved this problem. The skype package was downloaded from http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb Regards, Wang Long -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 05:19:17AM EDT, Harry Rickards wrote:
[..]
> >> It seems that there are many new users who prefer to read their man
> >> pages with their web browser. That's why they are online (and can be
> >> found with google).
> > most new users don't now the existence of the automatically
> > installed man pages. admittedly i also find it more readable in a
> > browser.
And easier to navigate when they have been converted to html, e.g.
http://manpages.courier-mta.org/mansection1.html
You should keep in mind that these are likely not current or in sync'
with your system.
> I admit that instead of just doing 'man whatever', I pipe it through
> less with 'man whatever|less', which lets me get rid of the annoying
> text at the bottom, and replacing it with a ':' which I'm more used to
> from vi/vim.
Not meant to annoy you, just a reminder of the actual page you are
reading.. useful if you did a "man -a".
For some nice colors, you could source this bash one-liner:
vman() { MANWIDTH=112 man $* | col -b | view -c 'set ft=man nomod nolist' -; }
And replace "man manpage" by "vman manpage".
Probably found it on the vim web site.
CJ
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Re: Hello!! I'm New
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 6:16 PM, EQMaker wrote: > Dear. Bipin Babu. > > Thanks for your kindness. > Could I have your recommendation about forums for beginners like me? > > With Regards. > Andrei Kim. > > - Original Message - > From: "Bipin Babu" > To: "EQMaker" ; "debian-user" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: Hello!! I'm New > > > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: >> >> 2009/5/27 EQMaker : >> > Hello all. I'm new~ :) >> > >> > I installed Debian on my computer lastnight. >> > This is my first try on linux too. >> > >> > I want became 'linuxer' like all of you... >> > So.. I'd like ask something to all of pioneers in this mail-list (yea.. >> > It's >> > you.. it's true..) >> > >> > How can I make friend with debian? >> > >> > Thanks for your interest on private linuxer.. :) >> >> Debian is pretty user friendly, but the user really needs to consider >> all of the documentation out there (eg., how-to's, man pages, etc.). >> >> Decide what you want to do (eg., watch movies, play mp3s, do taxes, >> etc.) and then start searching for help. Actually Debian's homepage is >> probably a good place to start reading. It takes some getting used to, >> but after a short while it'll be no problem. >> >> The one thing that can get rather annoying is when someone asks for >> help on this list when the solution to their problem is easily within >> in virtual reach. Post to this list as a last resort with as much info >> as you can provide (eg., system, machine, what you've tried, etc.). >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org >> > > Can't agree more. http://debian.org/doc/ & http://debian.org/support > are ideal place to start. also suggest you to join some debian > specific forums to look for specific answers/help. > > -- > Bipin Babu > Hi, don't consider me as being arrogant, there are few things you need to do to get help here (I learnt the hard way too) a. please include the mailing list as well in all your emails. there are others like you who can benefit as well. b. this mailing list follows 'bottom posting' and does not appreciate 'top posting' c. read what has been suggested thoroughly... to answer your questions, in the link i gave you http://debian.org/support, please look up the section 'web sites' (http://debian.org/support#web) this lists very good starting points. -- Bipin Babu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Hello!! I'm New
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: > > 2009/5/27 EQMaker : > > Hello all. I'm new~ :) > > > > I installed Debian on my computer lastnight. > > This is my first try on linux too. > > > > I want became 'linuxer' like all of you... > > So.. I'd like ask something to all of pioneers in this mail-list (yea.. It's > > you.. it's true..) > > > > How can I make friend with debian? > > > > Thanks for your interest on private linuxer.. :) > > Debian is pretty user friendly, but the user really needs to consider > all of the documentation out there (eg., how-to's, man pages, etc.). > > Decide what you want to do (eg., watch movies, play mp3s, do taxes, > etc.) and then start searching for help. Actually Debian's homepage is > probably a good place to start reading. It takes some getting used to, > but after a short while it'll be no problem. > > The one thing that can get rather annoying is when someone asks for > help on this list when the solution to their problem is easily within > in virtual reach. Post to this list as a last resort with as much info > as you can provide (eg., system, machine, what you've tried, etc.). > > > > > > > > > -- > www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Can't agree more. http://debian.org/doc/ & http://debian.org/support are ideal place to start. also suggest you to join some debian specific forums to look for specific answers/help. -- Bipin Babu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Hello!! I'm New
2009/5/27 EQMaker : > Hello all. I'm new~ :) > > I installed Debian on my computer lastnight. > This is my first try on linux too. > > I want became 'linuxer' like all of you... > So.. I'd like ask something to all of pioneers in this mail-list (yea.. It's > you.. it's true..) > > How can I make friend with debian? > > Thanks for your interest on private linuxer.. :) Debian is pretty user friendly, but the user really needs to consider all of the documentation out there (eg., how-to's, man pages, etc.). Decide what you want to do (eg., watch movies, play mp3s, do taxes, etc.) and then start searching for help. Actually Debian's homepage is probably a good place to start reading. It takes some getting used to, but after a short while it'll be no problem. The one thing that can get rather annoying is when someone asks for help on this list when the solution to their problem is easily within in virtual reach. Post to this list as a last resort with as much info as you can provide (eg., system, machine, what you've tried, etc.). > > -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: hi, all, help me with debian installation!!
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 12:46:20 Yi Zhao wrote: > hi, all: > I have a disk which install windows(30G) and debian(30G), but sometimes > ago, my debian is broken, so I want to resintall it on the exists > partitions(I don't want to create other new partitions), but, when I run > the installation program, I can't find the operation to find the exists > partitions, so I can't continue my installation. the installer only display > the whole disk(60G) and ask me to create new partitions in this > disk my disk have the exist partition is: > /dev/sda5 --> /home > /dev/sda6 ---> / > /dev/sda7 ---> windows/C: > /dev/sda8 ---> windows/D: > > I want to install debian in the exist /home and / partitions. > > > can only body help me??? > > thanks very much! > When you get to "Partion disk" choose "Manual Partitionning" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
hi, all, help me with debian installation!!
hi, all: I have a disk which install windows(30G) and debian(30G), but sometimes ago, my debian is broken, so I want to resintall it on the exists partitions(I don't want to create other new partitions), but, when I run the installation program, I can't find the operation to find the exists partitions, so I can't continue my installation. the installer only display the whole disk(60G) and ask me to create new partitions in this disk my disk have the exist partition is: /dev/sda5 --> /home /dev/sda6 ---> / /dev/sda7 ---> windows/C: /dev/sda8 ---> windows/D: I want to install debian in the exist /home and / partitions. can only body help me??? thanks very much!
Re: OT Looking for certain Geode LX Board
Hello, I've google around a bit more and found a couple of VIA boards (Segement series) that seem to fit my needs, however I'm hitting a barrier here. The boards I consider (VIA NAS7800, VIA NAS7040) aren't available to customers so if anyone has hints how to get those (mostly) OEM-only boards (or how to get OEM-only boards in general) I'd be grateful. There are also some ARM based boards out there, but I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable with them -- for no technical reason, it's just that my universe of practical experience by now has been limited to x86 Hardware. regards, Martin On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 02:05:18PM -0500, Brent Kolasinski wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure AMD stopped manufacturing Geode CPU's a year or so ago. > > Wikipedia says otherwise: > > [1]: >> >> In 2009, comments by AMD indicated that there are no plans for any future >> micro architecture upgrades to the processor and that there will be no >> successor. But the processors will still be available.^[2]. > > This doesn't help the OP, though :-/ > > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geode_(processor)#AMD_Geode > [2] > http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/274414/amd_sees_no_geode_chip_replacement_sight > > CU Sascha > > -- > http://sascha.silbe.org/ > http://www.infra-silbe.de/ > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJKGpr0AAoJELpz82VMF3DatTYH/1YGKD0zKMOuL65ihrE6ElQs > 4CsxUKdyTsVTH7CTJGGBt/miIayERcJhihPs3pZtAhGpibBB7VfVGK++UJXEIY4g > 7mzd5Yj7D53NeEjjuXqCvAfS4S7zvq80hAkHrZBgR7Jk7lr6x+bKSJO9SMNN2j8K > Kwe6F3CG43RnW/PBiUktpXkHY6m+q67GiJOu1RQkTPTFt4de/ijQDLy+t2czVmeq > I1JzNhOpISEFO6ZV6REVou2SNb8hY+IvSH9VBicAQDgRrH1KuCJsOjigImaGnOIF > viKh92dcDXZsKiOovbTloz19TQ69e6cJ9kFuUvwxOJIhhDGtxZSVEtCVSek+vYk= > =FR5F > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- http://soup.alt.delete.co.at http://www.xing.com/profile/Martin_Marcher http://www.linkedin.com/in/martinmarcher You are not free to read this message, by doing so, you have violated my licence and are required to urinate publicly. Thank you. Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Lenny printing competition -- still open?
I just noticed the "Print to Win" or "Print 2 Win" promotion in the HOWTO directory and I wonder if it is intended that this competition will remain open for the lifetime of the Lenny distribution. Also, is it only open to professional printers, or can anyone enter? Or is Debian a sponsor of the Win operating system? -- Miguel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/27/09 10:20, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > rand...@songshu.org wrote: >> most new users don't now the existence of the automatically installed man >> pages. >> admittedly i also find it more readable in a browser. > > Konqueror will display the local man pages when you enter "man:rtfm" in > the location bar (provided you have funny-manpages installed). > > [You didn't tell which browser you are using, I don't think that feature > is available for iceweasel] > > Cheers, > Johannes > > I use proper Firefox (3.5b4) instead of iceweasel, but when I enter "man:whatever" it opens up gnome-help with the appropriate man page. man:startx works, but man:rtfm doesn't. I can get to rtfm in gnome-help, so maybe I just have to restart Firefox or something? - -- Many thanks Harry Rickards (GPG Key ID:646ED06A) - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GAT/GCM/GCS/GCC/GIT/GM d? s: a? C UL P- L+++ E--- W+++ N o K+ w--- O- M- V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R tv-- b+++ DI D G e* h! !r y? - --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEUEARECAAYFAkodCDYACgkQ1kZz3mRu0Go+OQCYlUKh+6Sjz4s5mKER6mu7rixv 0ACgifgvekrKcazzmsW+zyj2oBeX9mw= =+vKD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: startx and KDE 4.2.2
GRotfl wrote: > Hi all! > > After upgrade to KDE 4.2.2 I could not start X windows with startx (it > complained that startkde in .xinitrc is not there). I have located startkde > in package ksmserver, which is both in stable and unstable, but not testing. > Also, it is version 3.5.9, not 4.2.2. I have changed sources.list to point > to stable and reinstalled ksmserver, but I would like to have 4.2.2-only > system (there are some bugs that are probably a consequence of the mixed > system, for instance, walk through desktop shortcuts do not work and > similar). > > Does anyone else have this problem or do you all start through kdm? I would > like to avoid that if possible. > > Any suggestion would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > Hi, regarding startkde: dpkg -S startkde kdebase-workspace-bin: /usr/share/man/man1/startkde.1.gz kdebase-workspace-bin: /usr/bin/safestartkde kdebase-workspace-bin: /usr/bin/startkde apt-file search startkde kdebase-workspace-bin: /usr/bin/safestartkde kdebase-workspace-bin: /usr/bin/startkde kdebase-workspace-bin: /usr/share/man/man1/startkde.1.gz it's in "kdebase-workspace-bin", available in Squeeze. Due to problems with kdm when I migrated from kde 3.5 I used gdm and lxsession to start kdm sessions for a while (but kdm was installed), I needed not do anything special outside of reconfiguring the good login manager as the default: dpkg-reconfigure Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Debian Linux
rand...@songshu.org wrote: > most new users don't now the existence of the automatically installed man > pages. > admittedly i also find it more readable in a browser. Konqueror will display the local man pages when you enter "man:rtfm" in the location bar (provided you have funny-manpages installed). [You didn't tell which browser you are using, I don't think that feature is available for iceweasel] Cheers, Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
