Re: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address"
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Mihira Fernando wrote: > It is possible that there is a conflict with the onboard eithernet card > and the addon card. Disable the onboard card from the CMOS setup and > see if this problem persists. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100314114248.28817...@gmail.com > > I checked and I find it already disabled! No wonder my onboard LAN interface was not working. Someone must have changed the LAN setting inadvertently. So, I didn't directly fix the problem, but since my onboard LAN is working now, I simply pull out the add on card and it works perfectly. :)
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On 13 March 2010 10:20, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On Sat March 13 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: >> Apparently, it's based upon the ideas of Douglas Engelbart back in >> the 1960s. >> >> http://www.hyperwords.net/ > > it doesn't like iceweasel.. > latest version requires v3.5/v3.6 or above, so maybe thats your problem? To OP, thanks, looks an interesting addon, been thinking about wanting to do something like this for a while now! kelly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e4f72f791003132234x28f2d007y161d8be43707a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On 2010-03-13 16:44, Stephen Powell wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:19:12 -0500 (EST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 2010-03-13 16:06, Stephen Powell wrote: Nevertheless, in the unlikely event that I fry my monitor by overriding the EDID specs, I asked for it, didn't I? Stephen, Stephen, Stephen. There's a butt-load more lawyers than there are engineers, and there's 1500 metric ass loads more stupid people than there are engineers. "I want control!!!" "OK, you have control." Bzzt. "Why didn't you protect me from myself?" I'm an engineer. 0.29% of the population. Give me full control. If I fry my monitor, I have no-one to blame but myself. Three words: hot McDonalds coffee. Yes, I've heard of that stupid case. But McDonalds didn't solve that problem by serving cold coffee. They put a disclaimer on the lids saying, "Caution: coffee is hot". A disclaimer should be able to solve this problem too. People want hot coffee. Only 0.29% of the population wants to maybe fry their LCD. Besides, (probably understating) 95% of people use either Windows or Mac, and want their LCDs auto-configured. Manufacturers play the odds, and apparently so do the X Dev Team. I'd ask them why. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c7fe1.4030...@cox.net
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On 2010-03-13 19:21, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:31:53 -0600 Ron Johnson wrote: ... Apparently, it's based upon the ideas of Douglas Engelbart back in the 1960s. Apparently, it can be argued * that much of the standard modern computer UI paradigm is "based on the ideas of Douglas Engelbart". * Weasel wording, since ISTR that there's some controversy about how much credit he actually deserves) This article, written by a former employee of both PARC in it's glory days and Apple when creating the Mac, is very enlightening. http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=On_Xerox,_Apple_and_Progress.txt -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c7ec5.40...@cox.net
Re: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address"
On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:10:25 +0800 Timothy Wu <2hug...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > This seems like an easy problem but I've searched all over without > explicit solution. > > I'm fiddling with a computer which I've not turn on for a while. My > ethernet interface which comes with the motherboard did not appear > (not with ifconfig -a), so I plugged in another ethernet card and now > it shows on ifconfig -a. But LAN connection is still not working. I > noticed that eth0 is down and tries "ifup eth0" and it says > "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" twice and "failed to > bring up eth0". > > I donno what the problem is. The /etc/network/networking script was a > working script before. > > dmesg | grep "eth0" shows nothing alarming. It says RealTek RTL8139 > something something IRQ 20 Identified 8139 chip type blah blah. > > What can I do to get it back on? > > Timothy It is possible that there is a conflict with the onboard eithernet card and the addon card. Disable the onboard card from the CMOS setup and see if this problem persists. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100314114248.28817...@gmail.com
Re: Weather forecast through applet not available in Europe?
On 2010-03-14 00:24, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 05:35:55AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Acknowledging the Truth is the first step towards Enlightenment! and of course: No man is an island! Silly man, of course we're not mineral. Nor vegetable, for that matter! -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c7e0b.4080...@cox.net
Re: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address"
On 2010-03-13 23:10, Timothy Wu wrote: Hi, This seems like an easy problem but I've searched all over without explicit solution. I'm fiddling with a computer which I've not turn on for a while. My ethernet interface which comes with the motherboard did not appear (not with ifconfig -a), What did dmesg and /var/log/syslog indicate? so I plugged in another ethernet card and now it shows on ifconfig -a. But LAN connection is still not working. I noticed that eth0 is down and tries "ifup eth0" and it says "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" twice and "failed to bring up eth0". I donno what the problem is. The /etc/network/networking script was a working script before. dmesg | grep "eth0" shows nothing alarming. It says RealTek RTL8139 something something IRQ 20 Identified 8139 chip type blah blah. What can I do to get it back on? Googling the complete error message seems to indicate that the proper driver module did not get loaded. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c7d86.9090...@cox.net
Re: device node not created for usb DVD/CD drive
On 2010-03-13 20:26, Zhang Weiwu wrote: When device is plugged: $ dmesg | tail -n 9 usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 1-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usb-storage: device found at 4 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning scsi 2:0:0:0: CD-ROMPLEXTOR DVDR PX-716AL 1.02 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS scsi 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 5 usb-storage: device scan complete It's an external USB? check device node: zhangwe...@casablanca:~$ ls /dev/sr* ls: cannot access /dev/sr*: No such file or directory zhangwe...@casablanca:~$ ls /dev/sg* /dev/sg0 Trying to use /dev/sg0 instead of expected /dev/sr0 in "thoggen" (DVD ripping software), I was told /dev/sg0 is not a block device. ls -aFl would show you why... $ ls -aFl /dev/sr0 brw-rw+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 Mar 9 16:42 /dev/sr0 ^ That "b" means "block mode". $ ls -aFl /dev/sg0 crw-rw 1 root root 21, 0 Feb 13 08:39 /dev/sg0 ^ You can thus guess that "c" means character mode. I suspect some kernel module is missing, Very well could be! but being a amateur Many long-timers with much experience are still amateur. I don't have a clue how to check which is missing. $ lsmod | grep sr_mod sr_mod 16148 0 cdrom 35016 1 sr_mod So, if those modules aren't loaded: # modprobe -v cdrom That should pull in sr_mod. If not... # modprobe -v sr_mod # modprobe -v cdrom $ uname -a Linux casablanca 2.6.27.19-fulong2f #1 PREEMPT Wed Mar 11 07:22:32 CST 2009 mips64 GNU/Linux What kind of h/w are you running? Some old SGI box? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c7b07.4060...@cox.net
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On 20100313_223702, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:38:40 -0500 (EST), Mark Allums wrote: > > On 3/13/2010 4:51 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: > >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:13:17 -0500 (EST), John Hasler wrote: > >>> Stephen Powell writes: > But I want a way to override things if the defaults are not to my > liking. As I mentioned in another post, there are some things, such > as HorizSync and VertRefresh, that cannot be overridden for a > plug-and-play monitor. > >>> > >>> You _could_ cut off pin 12 on the connector... > >> > >> Well, I suppose I *could*. But I don't like that solution. > >> Changing the software to allow overrides is what I want. > >> > > > > No need to destroy a cable. Just create an adapter. Pin 12 goes in, > > but doesn't come out. > > Yes, that would be better. I'm sure I would have to hand-make such > a device. I doubt that I could find such a thing at my local computer > store. But still, philosophically, configuration statements should > be able to override probed values. > > I've done some digging. Apparently, there is an Option statement > That is valid for at least some drivers: > >Option "NoDDC" > > that can be put into the "Device" section, but it is not documented > in the man page for xorg.conf. I'll have to play around to see if > I can get it to work. But that will have to wait for tomorrow. > It's time for me to go to bed. > The option UseBIOS documented in man savage, not in man xorg.conf There is a list of driver man pages in man xorg.conf -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100314052129.ge2...@big.lan.gnu
Re: Weather forecast through applet not available in Europe?
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 05:35:55AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > Acknowledging the Truth is the first step towards Enlightenment! and of course: No man is an island! -- Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100314062444.gb3...@fischer
Re: Virtualbox-3.1
CCing Frank, as I'm guessing he is not subscribed. He hasn't responded, in this thread, which enforces my opinion. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:04:23PM +0200, Jari Fredriksson wrote: > On 11.3.2010 22:36, Frank J Niertit wrote: > > Hi > > > > First of all let me thank you for a great system. You have made my > > life a lot better. But there is always a but. I cannot load > > Virtualbox-3.1. I am reliant on it in order to run Windows on top of > > Debian in an office environment. I cannot get people to use just > > your work so I have to comply. However it is much easier to back up > > and maintain Windows from Virtualbox. I am trying to deploy 10 > > machines at this time but I am unable to load Virtualbox. An error > > message keeps coming up telling me that it has been temporarily > > moved. Is there any way for you to still let me load the system with > > the same load I have now while you work on whatever the problem is. > > > > Thanks again for a great system. > > > > Frank > > > > I wonder what this is... What means "Load"? Executing VirtualBox on a > Debian? No. "been temporarily moved" sounds more like http. Do it must > be download? > I tried to download VirtualBox 3.1 for Debian AMD64 from Sun site. No > problem. > > What is the problem here? > > -- > http://www.iki.fi/jarif/ > > You attempt things that you do not even plan because of your extreme > stupidity. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100314061706.ga3...@fischer
"SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address"
Hi, This seems like an easy problem but I've searched all over without explicit solution. I'm fiddling with a computer which I've not turn on for a while. My ethernet interface which comes with the motherboard did not appear (not with ifconfig -a), so I plugged in another ethernet card and now it shows on ifconfig -a. But LAN connection is still not working. I noticed that eth0 is down and tries "ifup eth0" and it says "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" twice and "failed to bring up eth0". I donno what the problem is. The /etc/network/networking script was a working script before. dmesg | grep "eth0" shows nothing alarming. It says RealTek RTL8139 something something IRQ 20 Identified 8139 chip type blah blah. What can I do to get it back on? Timothy
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:38:40 -0500 (EST), Mark Allums wrote: > On 3/13/2010 4:51 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: >> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:13:17 -0500 (EST), John Hasler wrote: >>> Stephen Powell writes: But I want a way to override things if the defaults are not to my liking. As I mentioned in another post, there are some things, such as HorizSync and VertRefresh, that cannot be overridden for a plug-and-play monitor. >>> >>> You _could_ cut off pin 12 on the connector... >> >> Well, I suppose I *could*. But I don't like that solution. >> Changing the software to allow overrides is what I want. >> > > No need to destroy a cable. Just create an adapter. Pin 12 goes in, > but doesn't come out. Yes, that would be better. I'm sure I would have to hand-make such a device. I doubt that I could find such a thing at my local computer store. But still, philosophically, configuration statements should be able to override probed values. I've done some digging. Apparently, there is an Option statement That is valid for at least some drivers: Option "NoDDC" that can be put into the "Device" section, but it is not documented in the man page for xorg.conf. I'll have to play around to see if I can get it to work. But that will have to wait for tomorrow. It's time for me to go to bed. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/188411216.18955951268537822903.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
device node not created for usb DVD/CD drive
When device is plugged: $ dmesg | tail -n 9 usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 usb 1-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices usb-storage: device found at 4 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning scsi 2:0:0:0: CD-ROMPLEXTOR DVDR PX-716AL 1.02 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS scsi 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 5 usb-storage: device scan complete check device node: zhangwe...@casablanca:~$ ls /dev/sr* ls: cannot access /dev/sr*: No such file or directory zhangwe...@casablanca:~$ ls /dev/sg* /dev/sg0 Trying to use /dev/sg0 instead of expected /dev/sr0 in "thoggen" (DVD ripping software), I was told /dev/sg0 is not a block device. The following doesn't help # /etc/init.d/udev restart I suspect some kernel module is missing, but being a amateur I don't have a clue how to check which is missing. The box is $ cat /etc/debian_version lenny/sid Kernel is compiled by other amateurs who shared it on the Internet as deb package, as OEM shipped crippled kernel YET standard kernel in debian package wouldn't work thanks for special hardware: $ uname -a Linux casablanca 2.6.27.19-fulong2f #1 PREEMPT Wed Mar 11 07:22:32 CST 2009 mips64 GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c4943.7010...@realss.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On 3/13/2010 4:51 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:13:17 -0500 (EST), John Hasler wrote: Stephen Powell writes: But I want a way to override things if the defaults are not to my liking. As I mentioned in another post, there are some things, such as HorizSync and VertRefresh, that cannot be overridden for a plug-and-play monitor. You _could_ cut off pin 12 on the connector... Well, I suppose I *could*. But I don't like that solution. Changing the software to allow overrides is what I want. No need to destroy a cable. Just create an adapter. Pin 12 goes in, but doesn't come out.* MAA * "Roaches check in, but they don't check out." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c4c30.5040...@allums.com
Re: [OT] Linux should not be booting
Tom H wrote: You're welcome. I hope that you have an actual Windows CD/DVD to use the above commands given that most manufacturers ship recovery CDs only that may or may not allow you to use these commands. :( Maybe the mbr package is what we're looking for here. http://packages.debian.org/lenny/mbr From the manpage, the behavior of this loader is to chainload to the "default" partition (the one that has the boot flag, I guess) after one sec (configurable), or display a very basic prompt if a keypress occurs before (or if it fails). In other words, it does the job -- the old-school way, but it works. -thib -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c3e5b.8080...@stammed.net
Re: WLAN and Bluetooth
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:03:51 +0100 pch0317 wrote: > Hi > I have problem with my wireless embedded device. > > I use Debian testing and Compaq 615 notebook with Broadcom 802.11 b/g. > > Only if I enable in BIOS "embedded WLAN" and "embedded bluetooth" my > Debian can't boot up. "Can't boot up" means what, exactly? Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313202802.0ee09d77.cele...@gmail.com
Re: pen drive without format and can not find it
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:06:14 -0430 Germana Oliveira wrote: [I wrote - please leave attributions when quoting.] > > This really seems bizarre - you're saying that it shows up in dmesg > > as /dev/sda, but 'ls /dev/sda' shows 'No such file or directory' ?! > > > > Please report the *exact* dmesg and ls output here. > > > > > How can i find my pen drive so i can format it. > > > > If you can't find it, you have worse problems than formatting. One > > thing at a time. > > > > ok! > Now in my house, this is my dmesg > > dmesg | tail > [ 6549.064607] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off > [ 6549.064612] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00 > [ 6549.064616] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through > [ 6549.089712] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 1003520 512-byte hardware sectors (514 > MB) > [ 6549.096014] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off > [ 6549.096014] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00 > [ 6549.096014] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through > [ 6549.096014] sdb: unknown partition table > [ 6549.128012] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk > [ 6549.128012] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 > > > so i do: > e/germana# ls /dev/sdb > /dev/sdb > > and i can not see anything What do you mean that you can't see anything - it is listed by 'ls', contrary to what you seemed to state in your first message. You really need to be clearer about describing exactly what works and what doesn't. > but i use: > fdisk -l /dev/sdb > > Disco /dev/sdb: 513 MB, 513802240 bytes > 16 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1011 cylinders > Units = cilindros of 992 * 512 = 507904 bytes > Disk identifier: 0x > > and i can see this is my pen drive or not?? > > should i do something else? I don't know. Someone else has suggested thaht 0x is an invalid value, but I don't know anything about this. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313202649.627c114b.cele...@gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:31:53 -0600 Ron Johnson wrote: ... > Apparently, it's based upon the ideas of Douglas Engelbart back in > the 1960s. Apparently, it can be argued * that much of the standard modern computer UI paradigm is "based on the ideas of Douglas Engelbart". * Weasel wording, since ISTR that there's some controversy about how much credit he actually deserves) Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313202128.a02e3565.cele...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Linux should not be booting
>>> MS-Windows used to have an undocumented switch "fdisk /mbr" which would >>> remap the MBR and erase any copy of lilo or grub present. I don't know if >>> they still have that option. >> >> Undocumented? >> >> The command above works pre-XP. >> >> For XP, it is fixmbr and/or fixboot.. >> >> For Vista and Seven, it is bootrec /fixmbr and/or bootrec /rebuildbcd. > > Thank you! I'm going to be needing that information soon to re-install a > DOS-style > master boot record on a number of machines and move lilo to the boot sector > for the /boot partition. You're welcome. I hope that you have an actual Windows CD/DVD to use the above commands given that most manufacturers ship recovery CDs only that may or may not allow you to use these commands. :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6d4219cc1003131715r652b570ew2de02923d0fcd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How to know if USB device has driver properly installed?
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:09:13 +0100 Florian Kulzer wrote: ... > The kernel seems to use the information in > > /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias > > to decide which module(s) to try for a given device. AFAIK, this > information is generated/updated by running depmod, which is handled > automatically if you install a Debian kernel package or if you use > module-assistant/DKMS to handle additional modules. ... > That is also how I understand the process. Some of the entries in > modules.alias are straightforward vendor/device-ID pairs, while others > use wildcards for these values and rely on capabilities such as "a modem > of class X, subclass Y that understands protocol Z". The module then > often uses dedicated diagnostic code to find out if it really supports > that particular device. Syslog/dmesg should reveal which modules the > kernel tried in response to a USB hotplug event and if there were any > problems. Modprobing the module with a higher debug level (if that > option is available) should provide additional clues. This looks like useful stuff to know - thanks. Celejar -- foffl.sourceforge.net - Feeds OFFLine, an offline RSS/Atom aggregator mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313201200.b4e08e8c.cele...@gmail.com
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
Stephen Powell wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:26:58 -0500 (EST), Paul E Condon wrote: A bit worrisome to me. UUID must be persistent during normal life of a device, so it can be used as an identifier. It is important to distinguish between a device and a partition. /dev/hda is a device. /dev/hda1 is a partition. Partitions can be created, deleted, moved, resized, reformatted, etc. many times during the life of its containing device. The UUID of a partition is assigned when the partition is formatted, either with mkfs or mkswap. It retains this value until it is formatted again, at which time a new UUID is calculated. I don't know what the algorithm is for computing a UUID for a hard disk partition. Of course, reformatting a partition destroys all data on it; so in that sense it starts a new life with a new identity. Yes. Actually, there's even more to consider. GPTs are the future, and will most probably replace PC/BIOS "DOS" partition tables as soon as it will be common for the average system to use >2TiB drives (finally). As its name implies, it introduces GUIDs (global, universal - same thing) for *devices* and *partitions* (and partition types as well as many other necessary things, but that's unrelated). Currently, there is no UUID for PC/BIOS devices or partitions, not even labels. On top of partitions, there is sometimes a logical volume manager, which will split the partition (or the whole device if not partitioned) at a higher level[1] and/or "aggregate" partitions/devices[2], effectively abstracting the physical boundaries. Physical volumes have another UUID assigned in their LVM superblock. [1] For extra features like flexible resizing by fragmentation, etc. [2] To provide redundancy and/or extra performance, or simply to be able to move the physical blocks (often "extents") from a location to another (live) without affecting the logical volume as seen by the filesystem (makes the replacement of a device trivial). LVMs do *not* manage physical volumes (whole devices or partitions), only logical volumes on top of them (they just *use* the PVs). Note that raid managers can be considered as LVMs; they provide special features like redundancy or performance at the expense of some flexibility (every physical volume has to have the same size). It's possible to partition raid volumes (rare) or stack up another (more flexible) logical manager on top of them (like LVM2). Every logical volume created on top of these physical volumes also have a UUID, also managed by the LVM. Sometimes there are even two layers involved, for example a LV on top of a raid array which itself serves as a base for more flexible LVs, as I just explained. Each layer have its own superblock containing, among tech-specific metadata, its own UUID. On top of these logical volumes, we can finally create filesystems. Filesystems also have a UUID in their own superblock, and that's the one we're talking about right now. This is *not* a mess, this is the way it should be; every layer is independent, although filesystems typically fill the entire underlying logical volume and are thus more tied to them (in terms of size only). So, filesystem UUIDs should NOT be persistent during the life of a device or partition or physical volume or logical volume; only during their own lifetime. As long as you don't wipe their superblock, nothing will happen to their UUIDs - you can shrink and grow them, whatever. If you really need to reformat them, you can still restore the UUID - there's no black magic involved, just numbers logically identifying an object. Logical volume managers are currently very tied to the operating system; no real standard solution exists (except for raid containers), and I'm not sure if any is needed, although it would allow for pretty cool things. dm/md raid[1] and/or LVM2 are the preferred implementations for Linux. Many operating systems (Linux included, Windows excluded, of course) represent each layer as a virtual device, which makes things really flexible (you can stack things up any way you want, although many setups obviously won't make any sense). To wrap it all up, a quite complete stack looks like this on Linux: filesystem (extfs, [very long list]) logical volume (LVM2 LV) logical volume (Device Mapper [dm] RAID vol, Multi-Disk [md] RAID vol) physical volume (PC/BIOS "DOS" partition, GUID partition, ...) device (hard disk drive, solid-state drive) For added confusion, add a loop device anywhere, maybe a little virtual filesystem on top and a slice of networking. Note that software like EVMS supposedly helps the management of these stacks, or at least part of them. [1] One is for "fake-raid" controller management, the other is pure software. - The current situation: As I already said, until we throw PC/BIOS partition tables away, there is no standard way to uniquely identify a device. We can only rely on
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
On 20100313_144620, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:26:58 -0500 (EST), Paul E Condon wrote: > > > > A bit worrisome to me. UUID must be persistent during normal life of a > > device, so it can be used as an identifier. > > It is important to distinguish between a device and a partition. > /dev/hda is a device. /dev/hda1 is a partition. Partitions > can be created, deleted, moved, resized, reformatted, etc. many > times during the life of its containing device. The UUID of a > partition is assigned when the partition is formatted, either with > mkfs or mkswap. It retains this value until it is formatted again, > at which time a new UUID is calculated. I don't know what the > algorithm is for computing a UUID for a hard disk partition. > Of course, reformatting a partition destroys all data on it; so in > that sense it starts a new life with a new identity. > I'm learning. One thing I discovered today is that in extN, a disk label (i.e. what you see when you type ls /dev/disk/by-label ) can have multiple values on a single disk. This label is stored in the partition table data of the several partitions. I haven't yet discovered what is done with the excess volume labels, or what, if any, confusion results from having multiple values. So ... its not quite true that there is a device and a partition. I know its a 'distinction without a difference', this sort of thing is confusing when one is trying to figure stuff out from incomplete information. Also, both mke2fs and tune2fs are capable of setting the UUID of a partition, either to a software computed value or a user supplied value. And dumpe2fs -h or tune2fs -l will display the UUID setting along with other partition parameters. Some things that I firmly believed a few hours ago, I now know are absolutely not true. What I will firmly believe a few hours from now remains to be seen. Thanks. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313230422.gd2...@big.lan.gnu
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:13:17 -0500 (EST), John Hasler wrote: > Stephen Powell writes: >> But I want a way to override things if the defaults are not to my >> liking. As I mentioned in another post, there are some things, such >> as HorizSync and VertRefresh, that cannot be overridden for a >> plug-and-play monitor. > > You _could_ cut off pin 12 on the connector... Well, I suppose I *could*. But I don't like that solution. Changing the software to allow overrides is what I want. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2117529271.18926321268520707655.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:19:12 -0500 (EST), Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2010-03-13 16:06, Stephen Powell wrote: >> Nevertheless, in the unlikely event that I fry my monitor by overriding the >> EDID specs, I asked for it, didn't I? > > Stephen, Stephen, Stephen. There's a butt-load more lawyers than > there are engineers, and there's 1500 metric ass loads more stupid > people than there are engineers. > > "I want control!!!" > "OK, you have control." > Bzzt. > "Why didn't you protect me from myself?" > >> I'm an engineer. > > 0.29% of the population. > >> Give me full control. >> If I fry my monitor, I have no-one to blame but myself. > > > Three words: hot McDonalds coffee. Yes, I've heard of that stupid case. But McDonalds didn't solve that problem by serving cold coffee. They put a disclaimer on the lids saying, "Caution: coffee is hot". A disclaimer should be able to solve this problem too. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/963033316.18925651268520285376.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
Ron Johnson writes: > Incorrect values might bzzt the monitor?? No way are there any monitors new enough to support EDID but still vulnerable to wrong synch. That problem was solved before EDIDwas invented. Besides, maybe I _want_ to bzzt my monitor. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87634zyijq@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: need help with xorg.conf
Stephen Powell writes: > But I want a way to override things if the defaults are not to my > liking. As I mentioned in another post, there are some things, such > as HorizSync and VertRefresh, that cannot be overridden for a > plug-and-play monitor. You _could_ cut off pin 12 on the connector... -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87aaubyio2@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On 2010-03-13 16:06, Stephen Powell wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:34:15 -0500 (EST), Ron Johnson wrote: On 2010-03-13 13:57, Stephen Powell wrote: As I mentioned in another post, there are some things, such as HorizSync and VertRefresh, that cannot be overridden for a plug-and-play monitor. I don't like that trend at all. Incorrect values might bzzt the monitor?? Possibly, but not likely. In the early days, some of the cheapest monitors did not have protection circuitry that will shut them down if they are driven beyond safe limits. But as another poster pointed out, any monitor modern enough to support plug-and-play (DDC2/EDID) is almost certain to have internal protection circuitry that will shut it down if driven outside of safe limits. Nevertheless, in the unlikely event that I fry my monitor by overriding the EDID specs, I asked for it, didn't I? Stephen, Stephen, Stephen. There's a butt-load more lawyers than there are engineers, and there's 1500 metric ass loads more stupid people than there are engineers. "I want control!!!" "OK, you have control." Bzzt. "Why didn't you protect me from myself?" I'm an engineer. 0.29% of the population. Give me full control. If I fry my monitor, I have no-one to blame but myself. Three words: hot McDonalds coffee. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c0f60.5060...@cox.net
Re: need help with xorg.conf
Stephan Powell writes: > But an explicit configuration statement should always, in my opinion, > be able to override any probed value. I agree. "It might damage the monitor" would not really be an excuse even if there were vulnerable EDID monitors. "Newbies" are not going to put modelines in xorg.conf: they will never have heard of it. Software should do as it is told. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87eijnyj85@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On 13 March 2010 21:26, Ron Johnson wrote: >> what version of iceweasel do you have >> > > v3.5.8 > It's 3.0.6 for me, and works well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c7e110fe1003131406j49657955q75b93aa739396...@mail.gmail.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:34:15 -0500 (EST), Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2010-03-13 13:57, Stephen Powell wrote: >> As I mentioned in another post, >> there are some things, such as HorizSync and VertRefresh, that cannot >> be overridden for a plug-and-play monitor. I don't like that trend at all. > > > Incorrect values might bzzt the monitor?? Possibly, but not likely. In the early days, some of the cheapest monitors did not have protection circuitry that will shut them down if they are driven beyond safe limits. But as another poster pointed out, any monitor modern enough to support plug-and-play (DDC2/EDID) is almost certain to have internal protection circuitry that will shut it down if driven outside of safe limits. Nevertheless, in the unlikely event that I fry my monitor by overriding the EDID specs, I asked for it, didn't I? I'm an engineer. Give me full control. If I fry my monitor, I have no-one to blame but myself. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1449666297.18920291268517968815.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:17:10 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote: > I did indeed do the math incorrectly! What a schoolboy mistake! > I neglected to convert from bits to bytes. But I don't understand > your version either. The correct math, by the way I have traditionally > done it, is > >1366*768*3/1024 = 3073.5k >1366*768*4/1024 = 4098k > > This is based on a formula obtained from "Upgrading and Repairing > PCs", Sixth Edition, by Scott Mueller, page 443. (This book is > quite dated, having been copyrighted in 1996.) > > Where did you get the stuff about three buffers? Does this have > something to do with 3D graphics acceleration? I did some more research and answered my own question. I decided to consult a much more recent version of "Upgrading and Repairing PCs". In particular, I consulted the Seventeenth Edition, which was copyrighted in 2006, ten years later than the Sixth Edition. It does indeed have to do with 3D graphics. The three buffers are the front buffer, back buffer, and Z buffer. So multiply the numbers above by 3, which is what you said. That's assuming that double buffering is used. But if triple buffering is used, multiply by 4, not 3. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/993838866.18918121268517038668.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On 2010-03-13 13:57, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] if the defaults are not to my liking. As I mentioned in another post, there are some things, such as HorizSync and VertRefresh, that cannot be overridden for a plug-and-play monitor. I don't like that trend at all. Incorrect values might bzzt the monitor?? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c04d7.8050...@cox.net
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 07:19:13PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:53:35 -0800, Freeman wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:16:48PM +, Camaleón wrote: > > > > I typo-ed the label for my root partition on my last fstab update but it > > mounted anyway as rootfs in mtab. So I put rootfs in fstab and it has > > been working. :-/ > > Strange behaviour, indeed. Maybe you could had find more information > about that under /var/log/dmesg :-? > Not much in dmesg. Syslog gives me this both before and after I fixed the mistaken lable for root in fstab: |Mar 13 12:05:20 Europa laptop-mode: rootfs not found in PARTITIONS. |Mar 13 12:05:20 Europa laptop-mode: / not found in PARTITIONS. |Mar 13 12:05:20 Europa laptop-mode: Checking rootfs against HD because |PARTITIONS contains "auto". |Mar 13 12:05:20 Europa laptop-mode:Considering /dev/hda. |Mar 13 12:05:20 Europa laptop-mode:Considering /dev/hdc. So I'm moving on to trying to a problem with laptop-mode, which I may post about soon enough. -- Kind Regards, Freeman http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313213300.gb4...@europa.office
Re: disable shutdown in System menu in gnome (not splash screen)
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 06:00:49PM -0800, Maria McKinley wrote: > Hello all, > > I cannot believe how difficult this is to figure out. In Debian > Lenny, Shut Down appears in the System menu in the top panel by > default, for all users. In Debian Squeeze, this does not appear to > be the case. I have looked in every gnome configuration file and gui > I can think of, but can't figure out how to remove Shut Down from > this menu. I thought I had finally found it in > /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-settings.menu, so I tried copying the Squeeze > version of that file to my Lenny installation, but it seemed to have > no effect. I can't believe that the default is to have Shut Down > appear in the menu, just under Log Out, for normal users. I am > trying to remove it because I have had users accidentally shutdown > machines when trying to log out. I am also amazed at how hard it is > to figure out how to remove this. Help! > There is a /usr/share/applications/gnome-session-shutdown.desktop file which seems to have no relevance. I tried entering it in /etc/gnome/menu.blacklist without any effect. The powerdev groups seems to be depreciating in squeeze/gnome. On a standard desktop/laptop install, gdm will run "gnome-session-save --shutdown-dialog" for any logged in user. There are no settings under system administration > services or privileges under system > administration user & groups for a shutdown. The exception is users who used autologin. They, instead, are returned to the gdm login, from whence they can shutdown without a password or relogin with one. I wonder if that is a bug. :-) So I guess this is a bump. Good luck. -- Kind Regards, Freeman http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313213219.ga4...@europa.office
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On 2010-03-13 13:11, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 2010-03-13 04:20, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Sat March 13 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: Apparently, it's based upon the ideas of Douglas Engelbart back in the 1960s. http://www.hyperwords.net/ it doesn't like iceweasel.. Sure it does. Me using it is QED. what version of iceweasel do you have v3.5.8 -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c031c.60...@cox.net
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On 2010-03-13 09:05, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Sat March 13 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: http://www.hyperwords.net/ it doesn't like iceweasel.. Sure it does. Me using it is QED. when I click on the download, it said I had to install firefox, chrome, or... something else.. now, it DID install just fine on my separate firefox 3.6 install.. I had to install firefox 3.6, because iceweasel 3.0.6 was acting really, R E A L L Y slow... ii iceweasel 3.0.6-3 "3.0.6-3" That might be the problem! I'm running v.3.5.8. I thought I remember an issue with libgconf, but maybe that was for something else.. ii libgconf2-4 2.22.0-1 -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9c02ea.3020...@cox.net
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:45:13 -0500 (EST), John Hasler wrote: > Stephen Powell writes: >> But the designers of X are probably more interested in preventing >> damage to the monitor. > > It is rather unlikely that any monitor modern enough to have EDID would > be damaged by incorrect synch. It would just shut down if it was sent > something it couldn't deal with. One would hope so. But the X server does, in fact, ignore any HorizSync, VertRefresh, Option "MaxClock", and a number of other monitor configuration statements when this information is obtained from EDID data. And I don't like that. I want to be able to override things. I want it to use the EDID data if there are no corresponding explicit configuration statements. But an explicit configuration statement should always, in my opinion, be able to override any probed value. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1254453288.18911201268513890614.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:57:35 -0500 (EST), Ed Jabbour wrote: > Ahh, the vagaries of machine translation. I took the word "other" in the > phrase "other top stories" and ran it from English to Arabic to Chinese to > English. I got "detention top stories". That reminds me of a story in which a phrase from the bible: The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. was translated by computer from English to some other language and then back again. The result was: The wine is good, but the meat is spoiled. Computers may translate more quickly than humans, but not necessarily more accurately. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1939096961.18908101268512824026.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
Stephen Powell writes: > But the designers of X are probably more interested in preventing > damage to the monitor. It is rather unlikely that any monitor modern enough to have EDID would be damaged by incorrect synch. It would just shut down if it was sent something it couldn't deal with. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87iq90xaye@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:27:48 -0500 (EST), Mark Allums wrote: > First of all, thanks for the running commentary, it is well done. > Second, it shows that X tends to ignore stuff it finds inconvenient. > From one other post, we see that xorg.conf is optional these days, and > from a different post (from OP), we see that a somewhat obscure setting > is required if you *do* use an xorg.conf file. (Option "UseBIOS" "off" > worked.) This option is specific to the savage driver and is only needed if the monitor's resolution is not supported by the video BIOS. > This shows the tendency of Linux more and more these days to eschew the > old philosophy of using simple, user-edited configurations, and instead > try to add more and more "magic". Not sure I like this trend. I hear you. For me, I don't mind if the software is smart enough to figure some things out on its own. But I want a way to override things if the defaults are not to my liking. As I mentioned in another post, there are some things, such as HorizSync and VertRefresh, that cannot be overridden for a plug-and-play monitor. I don't like that trend at all. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1278354342.18901591268510248894.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:26:58 -0500 (EST), Paul E Condon wrote: > > A bit worrisome to me. UUID must be persistent during normal life of a > device, so it can be used as an identifier. It is important to distinguish between a device and a partition. /dev/hda is a device. /dev/hda1 is a partition. Partitions can be created, deleted, moved, resized, reformatted, etc. many times during the life of its containing device. The UUID of a partition is assigned when the partition is formatted, either with mkfs or mkswap. It retains this value until it is formatted again, at which time a new UUID is calculated. I don't know what the algorithm is for computing a UUID for a hard disk partition. Of course, reformatting a partition destroys all data on it; so in that sense it starts a new life with a new identity. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/592907538.18899941268509580061.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
Ron Johnson wrote: On 2010-03-12 23:27, Mark Allums wrote: On 3/12/2010 12:11 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:58:08 -0500 (EST), Paul E Condon wrote: On 20100312_092355, Stephen Powell wrote: Paul, please provide the following information: (5) The contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log There follows 858 lines of the above named file: OK, we learn a lot from the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. And things are all downhill from there. The bottom line: the problem is not with your monitor. The problem is that the savage driver wants to use the video BIOS to set the video mode. The single most important thing you must have in any xorg.conf file is Option "UseBIOS" "off" This goes in the "Device" section. If you need more help, let me know, and I'll try to come up with a specific xorg.conf file for you. First of all, thanks for the running commentary, it is well done. Second, it shows that X tends to ignore stuff it finds inconvenient. Inconvenient, or "can't handle"? Better error/informational messages would help, though. From one other post, we see that xorg.conf is optional these days, and from a different post (from OP), we see that a somewhat obscure setting is required if you *do* use an xorg.conf file. (Option "UseBIOS" "off" worked.) This shows the tendency of Linux more and more these days to eschew the old philosophy of using simple, user-edited configurations, and instead try to add more and more "magic". Not sure I like this trend. As long as there's a manual override, I don't mind the magic. After all, self-configuration (i.e. minimizing the work of the user) is what computers are supposed to do! I run a 2-seater: 2 graphics cards (nVidia GeForce 6200), 2 monitors, 2 keyboards and 2 mice for 2 separate users. The latest xserver-xorg from Sid (1:7.5+3) freezes the system solid after about 6 minutes *always*. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567700 'X -configure' sees the 2 cards and the 2 monitors but not the 2 keyboards and the 2 mice and has no clue that it is a 2-seater. Upgrading I have no choice but to pin X to the last version that works faultlessly: 1:7.4+4 But that will eventually get me into trouble of course... Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hngpip$k0...@dough.gmane.org
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:13:38 -0500 (EST), Mark Allums wrote: > I am asking such silly-seeming questions because xorg.conf these days > tends to be ignored by the Xservers if it seems inconvenient to the > driver+server. That is, in my experience, if the monitor is > plug-and-play, then X goes by whatever the monitor hardware reports, and > xorg.conf might as well not exist. I wouldn't say that the X server *ignores* xorg.conf. But it is true that configuration statements such as HorizSync and VertRefresh are ignored in a monitor section if the monitor is plug-and-play. The values reported by the monitor are used instead. I'm not sure I like that behavior. One could argue that point either way, I suppose. On the one hand, one could argue that the monitor knows best, and if it reports its characteristics via EDID, they should be used. On the other hand, one may wish to override these values for the purpose of experimentation. Being an engineer, I want to be able to override things for the purpose of experimentation. But the designers of X are probably more interested in preventing damage to the monitor. Therefore, they took the other approach. In the solution to the problem at hand, I did not override any monitor characteristics. I simply told the driver to use a different (non-default) algorithm for setting the video mode. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1616584946.18897901268508719875.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:53:35 -0800, Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:16:48PM +, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> Well, that said I like Lenny still uses the old scheme "/dev/sdx". At >> least if it changes, I still understand it better than the new udev >> naming :-) >> >> > I've been changing to labels with squeeze. The up side: it is a hard > designation and can be made unique. > > The collisions part is unclear to me. If one plugs into USB a drive from > another machine, won't that just be listed in /dev by sdx, at which > point it can have its fstab edited? USB devices usually auto-fall under /media and do not need to be added in /etc/fstab, unless you want to use them as permanent mount points. But if the USB hard drive already has a label, and that label shares its name with another mounted device, it will generate a "collision". Nothing serious, I guess that when you plugged the USB drive it would have told you something like "mount point '/media/mylabel' already exists" and aborts. I mean, the success of mounting a device "by label" will depend on whether the user knows before hand if the device: a) Already has a label defined b) What is that label to prevent collisions with other devices So, in order to avoid that, distribution installers defaults to either UUID and/or ID for use it in /etc/fstab which tends to be a more secure approach. > I typo-ed the label for my root partition on my last fstab update but it > mounted anyway as rootfs in mtab. So I put rootfs in fstab and it has > been working. :-/ Strange behaviour, indeed. Maybe you could had find more information about that under /var/log/dmesg :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.03.13.19.19...@gmail.com
Re: need help with xorg.conf
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:09:27 -0500 (EST), Tony Nelson wrote: > On 10-03-12 13:11:14, Stephen Powell wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:58:08 -0500 (EST), Paul E Condon wrote: >>> ... >>> (--) SAVAGE(0): probed videoram: 32768k >> >> Plenty of video RAM to do true color mode even at 1366x768 >> resolution. >> >> 1366x768x24/1024 = 24588k; 1366x768x32/1024 = 32784k. >> Hmm. If we have to use 32 bits of RAM per pixel, we may not have >> enough. We'll see about that later. >> ... > > You did the math wrong. Use bytes, not bits. Also allow for 3 > buffers. > >(1366*768*3*3)/1024 = 9220K >(1366*768*4*3)/1024 = 12294K I did indeed do the math incorrectly! What a schoolboy mistake! I neglected to convert from bits to bytes. But I don't understand your version either. The correct math, by the way I have traditionally done it, is 1366*768*3/1024 = 3073.5k 1366*768*4/1024 = 4098k This is based on a formula obtained from "Upgrading and Repairing PCs", Sixth Edition, by Scott Mueller, page 443. (This book is quite dated, having been copyrighted in 1996.) Where did you get the stuff about three buffers? Does this have something to do with 3D graphics acceleration? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1624648332.18895011268507830796.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On Saturday 13 March 2010 12:31:53 am Ron Johnson wrote: > Since I stumbled onto this a couple of months ago, it's become > indispensable! Highlight some text, right-click and a little b/w > bull's eye appears. Mouse onto the bull's eye and a pop-up menu > appears which lets you perform a multitude of tasks, like Googling > it, searching Wikipedia, translating to a different language, etc. Ahh, the vagaries of machine translation. I took the word "other" in the phrase "other top stories" and ran it from English to Arabic to Chinese to English. I got "detention top stories". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003131357.35639.e...@att.net
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
Ron Johnson wrote: On 2010-03-13 04:20, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Sat March 13 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: Apparently, it's based upon the ideas of Douglas Engelbart back in the 1960s. http://www.hyperwords.net/ it doesn't like iceweasel.. Sure it does. Me using it is QED. what version of iceweasel do you have -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hngo12$dq...@dough.gmane.org
WLAN and Bluetooth
Hi I have problem with my wireless embedded device. I use Debian testing and Compaq 615 notebook with Broadcom 802.11 b/g. Only if I enable in BIOS "embedded WLAN" and "embedded bluetooth" my Debian can't boot up. When this option are "disable" linux boot up, but I can't play with wireless and bluetooth device. I use linux 2.6.32-trunk-amd64. What can I do? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9be197.5050...@gmail.com
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
On 20100313_111314, Tom H wrote: > > When I install a 2nd/3rd distrib on a HD, I have made it a practice > > to set up fstab so the existing distrib are mounted automatically. > > Repeated use leads to all functioning distrib to be crosslinked. > > But when a distrib must be reinstalled because something drasticly > > wrong happened, or whatever, access to that replacement distrib in > > all the older distrib is broken because the UUID of the partition > > is changed. > > You could make a note of the UUID before the re-install then re-apply > it to the partition with > tune2fs -U /dev/sdaX I keep learning stuff. I think this, which is verifiably true, contradicts some other things that I remember (and had thought were verifiably true). Thanks for this knowledge which is definitely new to me. It will take me sometime to integrate it into my belief system, but thanks. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313183152.gc2...@big.lan.gnu
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 13 March 2010, Paul Cartwright was heard to say: > On Sat March 13 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: > > >> http://www.hyperwords.net/ > > > > > > it doesn't like iceweasel.. > > > > Sure it does. Me using it is QED. > > when I click on the download, it said I had to install firefox, > chrome, or... something else.. > now, it DID install just fine on my separate firefox 3.6 install.. > I had to install firefox 3.6, because iceweasel 3.0.6 was acting > really, R E A L L Y slow... > ii iceweasel 3.0.6-3 > > > I thought I remember an issue with libgconf, but maybe that was for > something else.. > ii libgconf2-4 > 2.22.0-1 The prior version of Hyperwords installs just fine with Iceweasel 3.0.6, I just put it in myself. Interesting. Even looks useful. Curt- - -- Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBS5vQKy9Y35yItIgBAQJr8gf+JIxoI0aV2d41MRAdJAUU1Hia6DbT1pHl DKF9Nmqn3Jg0hc+10xHr0Mni3JQF6ZY8Ovi4bbU80W+hAC0CS7NBux7c9vTjaHmf xdneuY7nKeoyBPOV+M6AROQmmLyXoAxD5/5CF1hFojIvn92QUmKqTBb7BQiT2d8N 6Rs7A86BENszyuFIE1W72a/quaraHIus3L8Qq2gJUh24YiG3H5EkWD7tLpHLoLmQ MXFImHL5ZTgB2GlfusyIb18hvS18i67vcUE1g5Nb8/72wrpgSLyjVOVy9K2ts5XH nC+466FUkPdQ1QirzX4srHVlMYVgUFpT5+8/6peZ0dxWATWWAirbGg== =B/md -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003131249.31947.howl...@priss.com
Re: KDE and Squeeze
> lrhorer : > My servers are on a secure network, unaccessible from outside the > network, and I almost never do anything that doesn't require root > access on them, LOL -- Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat: Administration Systeme, Recherche & Developpement +261 34 29 155 34 / +261 33 11 207 36 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313210204.1292a...@pbmiha.malagasy.com
Re: mpg123 does not play
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On Saturday 13 March 2010, Ron Johnson was
heard to say:
> > $ strace mpg123
[snip]
> > chdir("/usr/lib/mpg123")= 0
> > open("/lib/output_alsa.la", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file
or
> > directory)
>
> This is odd-looking.
>
> $ apt-file search output_alsa.la
> mpg123: /usr/lib/mpg123/output_alsa.la
I agree. More so, because...
# apt-file search output_alsa.la
mpg123: /usr/lib/mpg123/output_alsa.la
~
# cd /usr/lib/mpg123/
/usr/lib/mpg123
# dir
total 96
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 858 2008-09-07 21:18 output_alsa.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8784 2008-09-07 21:18 output_alsa.so
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 874 2008-09-07 21:18 output_arts.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3364 2008-09-07 21:18 output_arts.so
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 823 2008-09-07 21:18 output_dummy.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2824 2008-09-07 21:18 output_dummy.so
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 889 2008-09-07 21:18 output_esd.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4544 2008-09-07 21:18 output_esd.so
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 856 2008-09-07 21:18 output_jack.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9756 2008-09-07 21:18 output_jack.so
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 817 2008-09-07 21:18 output_nas.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8184 2008-09-07 21:18 output_nas.so
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 809 2008-09-07 21:18 output_oss.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6000 2008-09-07 21:18 output_oss.so
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 846 2008-09-07 21:18 output_pulse.la
- -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4332 2008-09-07 21:18 output_pulse.so
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Re: pen drive without format and can not find it
Germana Oliveira wrote: This really seems bizarre - you're saying that it shows up in dmesg as /dev/sda, but 'ls /dev/sda' shows 'No such file or directory' ?! Please report the *exact* dmesg and ls output here. How can i find my pen drive so i can format it. If you can't find it, you have worse problems than formatting. One thing at a time. ok! Now in my house, this is my dmesg dmesg | tail [ 6549.064607] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 6549.064612] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00 [ 6549.064616] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 6549.089712] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 1003520 512-byte hardware sectors (514 MB) [ 6549.096014] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 6549.096014] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00 [ 6549.096014] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 6549.096014] sdb: unknown partition table [ 6549.128012] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [ 6549.128012] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 so i do: e/germana# ls /dev/sdb /dev/sdb and i can not see anything but i use: fdisk -l /dev/sdb Disco /dev/sdb: 513 MB, 513802240 bytes 16 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1011 cylinders Units = cilindros of 992 * 512 = 507904 bytes Disk identifier: 0x and i can see this is my pen drive or not?? should i do something else? Disk identifier: 0x isn't a valid value, so the drive isn't properly detected. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9bc9b8.1080...@gmail.com
Re: KDE and Squeeze
lrhorer wrote: I have been using kde4 for over a year. The only issues that I have had are the lack of a couple of programs that haven't been ported from kde3 to kde4 yet but I have managed with out them. You didn't explain what your problems are with kde4 so I am going to have to guess here. Yes the UI and desktop are alittle bit different. But after poking around in the options for about 2 hours I managed to get kde4 working just about the same as kde3. Not that I could tell. OTOH, I didn't have a lot of time on my hands for playing with the UI. I had to get the router working, and since the router is headless and almost all access to the router is via ssh over a very slow broadband link, the GUI just wasn't a big deal. The lock-ups it was causing were far more trouble than it was even remotely worth, so I trashed it completely. It would have been somewhat nioce to have it available (especially Kpackage) while I was setting it up, but now that it is in production, it's not an issue at all. My servers are on a secure network, unaccessible from outside the network, and I almost never do anything that doesn't require root access on them, so I set them up with a chooser that has root as one of its selections defaulted in the KDM chooser. I didn't see how to do that in KDE4. In KDE, the superfolder list (Lost & Found, Utilities, System, Multimedia, etc.) are all displayed on the left side of the screen whenever one clicks on the Kstart Icon. This is true in both KDE3 and KDE4. In KDE3, however, hovering the mouse cursor over any given superfolder brings up the list of contents inside the superfolder. To see the contents of the next superfolder up or down, one merely slides the mouse cursor up or down, respectively, to see the contents of that superfolder. In KDE4, one must actually drill into the folder to see its contents. To browse the contents of the next superfolder down, one must exit the current superfolder, figure out where one was previously, move to the next superfolder up or down in the list, and drill into it. It's tedious, annoying, and time consuming. The fact it locked up the system tight as a drum every third or fourth time I switched windows hardly endeared it to me, either. The only recourse was to hit the big, red switch. Not good. I have never had kde4 lock up on me. Perhaps because kde4 uses the graphics card more, you need to make sure your video card is set up right and using the right drivers in xorg? Perhaps try disabling all UI effects: Systemsettings -> Desktop ->uncheck enable all effects Sam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9bc807.80...@net153.net
Re: pen drive without format and can not find it
> > This really seems bizarre - you're saying that it shows up in dmesg > as /dev/sda, but 'ls /dev/sda' shows 'No such file or directory' ?! > > Please report the *exact* dmesg and ls output here. > > > How can i find my pen drive so i can format it. > > If you can't find it, you have worse problems than formatting. One > thing at a time. > ok! Now in my house, this is my dmesg dmesg | tail [ 6549.064607] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 6549.064612] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00 [ 6549.064616] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 6549.089712] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 1003520 512-byte hardware sectors (514 MB) [ 6549.096014] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 6549.096014] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00 [ 6549.096014] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through [ 6549.096014] sdb: unknown partition table [ 6549.128012] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [ 6549.128012] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 so i do: e/germana# ls /dev/sdb /dev/sdb and i can not see anything but i use: fdisk -l /dev/sdb Disco /dev/sdb: 513 MB, 513802240 bytes 16 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1011 cylinders Units = cilindros of 992 * 512 = 507904 bytes Disk identifier: 0x and i can see this is my pen drive or not?? should i do something else? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1268498174.3437.10.ca...@bog-debian.bog.debian
Re: SOLVED liblua5.1-gtk-0 problem
I reported this issue to bugs.debian.org and solution is to install libgtk2.0-dev and libgtkhtml2-dev packages. After that example programs do work. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313144911.ge2...@alfa
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
> When I install a 2nd/3rd distrib on a HD, I have made it a practice > to set up fstab so the existing distrib are mounted automatically. > Repeated use leads to all functioning distrib to be crosslinked. > But when a distrib must be reinstalled because something drasticly > wrong happened, or whatever, access to that replacement distrib in > all the older distrib is broken because the UUID of the partition > is changed. You could make a note of the UUID before the re-install then re-apply it to the partition with tune2fs -U /dev/sdaX -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6d4219cc1003130813w71928edchaf1c308015fd9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
On 20100313_095320, Tom H wrote: > >> I believe a UUID is generated when the partition is "formatted", either > >> with > >> mkfs or mkswap. > > > I confirm - just tried shrinking and growing back an extfs. UUID is left > > untouched (as expected); that Mint article is BS or just obsolete. > > I have never come across the problem described by the Mint link. I have seen a UUID change in a way that disrupts my work: When I install a 2nd/3rd distrib on a HD, I have made it a practice to set up fstab so the existing distrib are mounted automatically. Repeated use leads to all functioning distrib to be crosslinked. But when a distrib must be reinstalled because something drasticly wrong happened, or whatever, access to that replacement distrib in all the older distrib is broken because the UUID of the partition is changed. This is not a killer objection for me. But it is a use case expample that belies some broad claims about UUIDs. If there were a place on every partition where a UUID of the partition could be recorded, and if the partitioning software could be trained to preserve that record whenever the partition is simply wiped in preparation for a reinstall, then ... maybe this use case would behave more to my liking. But I am aware that there are a lot of individual requirements for partition identifiers, so I hesitate to advocate this proposal in this most simple form. As I say, I understand enough about the scheme that I think I can live with it in its current form. Also. There seems not to be a standard algorithm for computing UUID bit strings. Different developer/users of UUID ideas seem to be free to choose what algorithm and what input data they use to get their UUIDs. So, the actual behavior of UUID technology in Debian may change over time. Future versions of Debian may silently change to address old problems (and to introduce new problems). > > The closest is having swap's UUID change when installing a 2nd/3rd > distrib on the same HD. > > Someone said earlier > > "I can't imagine any case where an filesystem UUID change "by the > face", I think this is not possible if you didn't execute any > filesystem command to do it." > > and cannot but +1 the comment because the UUID is held in a > partition's superblock. > My original post has generated a lot of very interesting discussion. UUIDs are no longer so mysterious. I think that there is more work to be done, but I have no good ideas to pursue and I have reached my attention span limit. I don't want to post with a subject line "Solved", but it is true that I want to stop discussing this. Thanks to all. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313160128.gb2...@big.lan.gnu
Re: How to know if USB device has driver properly installed?
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:19:05PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: > I am trying to get a USB device working. In lsusb the ID shows up, but > the name of the device does not. Is this an indication that the driver > is not properly installed? > > For instance, this is how functioning devices look in lsusb: > Bus 005 Device 003: ID 413c:8126 Dell Computer Corp. Wireless 355 Bluetooth > > However, the device that I need to operate does not show the name, > only the beginning of the line like this: > Bus 003 Device 002: ID 104f:0006 > > Does that mean that the device driver is not properly installed? Basically what you ask for is the USB equivalent of lspci -k . Sadly there's no such thing. A quick search (usb 413c:8126 linux) brings up http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/BT_HCIUSB.html -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313152654.gf16...@pear.tzafrir.org.il
Re: are aptitude and synaptic compatible?
Martin wrote: I mean can I install/deinstall packages once with aptitude then with synaptic without worry that something will break? They both use same database of installed packages, right? I guess the answer is 'yes' - I just want to be sure. Martin yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9bab63.2040...@gmail.com
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On Sat March 13 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> http://www.hyperwords.net/ > > > > it doesn't like iceweasel.. > > Sure it does. Me using it is QED. when I click on the download, it said I had to install firefox, chrome, or... something else.. now, it DID install just fine on my separate firefox 3.6 install.. I had to install firefox 3.6, because iceweasel 3.0.6 was acting really, R E A L L Y slow... ii iceweasel 3.0.6-3 I thought I remember an issue with libgconf, but maybe that was for something else.. ii libgconf2-4 2.22.0-1 -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 http://usdebtclock.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003131005.08111@pcartwright.com
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
>> I believe a UUID is generated when the partition is "formatted", either >> with >> mkfs or mkswap. > I confirm - just tried shrinking and growing back an extfs. UUID is left > untouched (as expected); that Mint article is BS or just obsolete. I have never come across the problem described by the Mint link. The closest is having swap's UUID change when installing a 2nd/3rd distrib on the same HD. Someone said earlier "I can't imagine any case where an filesystem UUID change "by the face", I think this is not possible if you didn't execute any filesystem command to do it." and cannot but +1 the comment because the UUID is held in a partition's superblock. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6d4219cc1003130653j51248695h184ee5aa14cf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Open the same PDF in two different acroread processes
Johan Grönqvist wrote: > Merciadri Luca skrev: >> For TeX reasons, I would like to open the same PDF in two different >> acroread processes. How can I do this? > > From "man acroread" it seems to me that the following option should work: > > -openInNewInstance > It launches a new instance of acroread process. The application > starts normally without checking if it is already running. > > > Have you tried that already? > > I have not tried it as my acroread installation seems to have problems > at the moment. Thanks. It worked great. I had not seen this option in the manpages, but it is actually there. :-) -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ I use PGP. If there is an incompatibility problem with your mail client, please contact me. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
are aptitude and synaptic compatible?
I mean can I install/deinstall packages once with aptitude then with synaptic without worry that something will break? They both use same database of installed packages, right? I guess the answer is 'yes' - I just want to be sure. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313131350.ga2...@alfa
Re: Open the same PDF in two different acroread processes
Merciadri Luca skrev: For TeX reasons, I would like to open the same PDF in two different acroread processes. How can I do this? From "man acroread" it seems to me that the following option should work: -openInNewInstance It launches a new instance of acroread process. The application starts normally without checking if it is already running. Have you tried that already? I have not tried it as my acroread installation seems to have problems at the moment. / johan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hng6pc$rk...@dough.gmane.org
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On 2010-03-13 04:20, Paul Cartwright wrote: On Sat March 13 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: Apparently, it's based upon the ideas of Douglas Engelbart back in the 1960s. http://www.hyperwords.net/ it doesn't like iceweasel.. Sure it does. Me using it is QED. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms." Mike Ditka -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b9b92b5.3050...@cox.net
Open the same PDF in two different acroread processes
Hi, For TeX reasons, I would like to open the same PDF in two different acroread processes. How can I do this? Thanks. -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ I use PGP. If there is an incompatibility problem with your mail client, please contact me. Education is not the filling of a pail, but rather the lighting of a fire. (William Butler Yeats) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Semi-OT] Incredibly useful Firefox addon: Hyperwords
On Sat March 13 2010, Ron Johnson wrote: > Apparently, it's based upon the ideas of Douglas Engelbart back in > the 1960s. > > http://www.hyperwords.net/ it doesn't like iceweasel.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 http://usdebtclock.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201003130520.22723@pcartwright.com
Re: question about fstab in squeeze and uuid
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:16:48PM +, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:21:14 +0100, Javier Barroso wrote: > > (...) > > >> Maybe there is a good comparison chart about all these methods that > >> list their "pros" and "cons" :-? > > > Not a chart, but yes references to why uuid ... : > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=364441 > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572376 > > After a bit of digging, it seems all methods have its own drawbacks: > > by-label -> can generate collissions and is not present in all volumes > > by-path -> can also change because it depends on the system bus it is > attached to > > by-id -> it seems that not all devices provide an ID > > by-uuid -> as we have seen, when formating or repartitioning the device > it can also change > > Well, that said I like Lenny still uses the old scheme "/dev/sdx". At > least if it changes, I still understand it better than the new udev > naming :-) > I've been changing to labels with squeeze. The up side: it is a hard designation and can be made unique. The collisions part is unclear to me. If one plugs into USB a drive from another machine, won't that just be listed in /dev by sdx, at which point it can have its fstab edited? I typo-ed the label for my root partition on my last fstab update but it mounted anyway as rootfs in mtab. So I put rootfs in fstab and it has been working. :-/ -- Kind Regards, Freeman http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100313085335.ga5...@europa.office
Re: KDE and Squeeze
Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2010-03-12 19:52, lrhorer wrote: > [snip] >> >> My servers are on a secure network, unaccessible from outside >> the >> network, and I almost never do anything that doesn't require root >> access on them, so I set them up with a chooser that has root as one >> of >> its selections defaulted in the KDM chooser. I didn't see how to do > > Servers with a GUI installed? That's not considered Best Practices. It is for my purposes. Indeed, one of the server applications (Galleon) on the main server is GUI based and one of the client applications (TyTool) running on the main server is a Windows app running under Wine. The backup server could run without the GUI, but it's easier to administer using Kpackage than anything else. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/beudnwdfgr7h1abwnz2dnuvz_h6dn...@giganews.com
