Re: USB peripherals are plugged in across time: how are /dev/ttyUSBx assignations done?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 04 iul 10, 14:06:51, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Let's say that you progressively plug in USB peripherals in(to) USB
> ports of one computer running Debian. How are the /dev/ttyUSB0,
> /dev/ttyUSB1, etc., assignations achieved? Is /dev/ttyUSB0 the first
> plugged device, or is it one in a specific port? Thanks.

I don't have so much experience with that kind of hardware, but AFAIU 
you just can't rely on any particular order. Try using /dev/*/by-id/ 
instead.

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Re: aptitude was: Re: After installation, my P2 is still unable to launch Debian

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 04 iul 10, 11:03:47, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> >
> > You might want to use aptitude as it is the default package manager for
> > lenny (and subsequent releases) for reasons like better dependency
> > resolution, interactive dependency resolution, ...
> >   
> You're right. I had taken the (bad) habit to use apt-get on other
> computers, and, once you have begun using apt-get, it's better not to
> use aptitude, isn't it?

No, it's just generally better. If you encounter problems while mixing 
apt-get and aptitude please try to reproduce and report them.

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Re: Debian support on newer 4K Advanced format drives (rather than 512 bytes)

[Mark Allums]

On 7/4/2010 10:30 AM, lee wrote:

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 02:31:15PM +1000, CaT wrote:


I wont be buying more of these if I can avoid it. I'd rather a 4k drive
that says it's a 4k drive and get on with life.


Well, I wonder what the manufacturers thinking behind lieing about the
sector size is. It only leads to problems --- everyone who bought a
disk like that and partitions it as usual should just exchange it if
permance testing shows poor performance until they get one that just
works.



These drives are transition drives.  The industry is moving permanently 
to the new sector size, and some situations can't cope, hence, the 
lying.  This will pass, as the world adjusts to it.


Patience.



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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Stan Hoeppner]

Ron Johnson put forth on 7/4/2010 4:55 PM:
> On 07/04/2010 04:43 PM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 15:01:35 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
>>
>>> On 20100704_154414, Camale?n wrote:
>>
 Review your "/usr/src/linux/drivers/ata/libata-core.c" and search for
 "ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ" string to find a list of blacklisted devices in
 which kernel avoids enabling NCQ for some reason (slow/broken).
>>>
>>> On my computer /usr/src/linux/ directory does not exist.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>> Okay, okay... look here then:
>>
>> http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/ata/libata-core.c#L4287
>>
> 
> One other issue is that this is new in 2.6.33.  (Which is why I didn't
> find it in 2.6.32.)

ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ isn't new to 2.6.33.  I don't know how long it's been
around, but it does go back quite a ways in 2.6.x.  Here it is in 2.6.31.1,
which is the oldest source I have sitting around.

/usr/src/linux-2.6.31.1/drivers/ata$ grep ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ libata-core.c
if (dev->horkage & ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ) {
{ "WDC WD740ADFD-00",   NULL,   ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ },
{ "WDC WD740ADFD-00NLR1", NULL, ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ, },
{ "FUJITSU MHT2060BH",  NULL,   ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ },
{ "Maxtor *",   "BANC*",ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ },
{ "Maxtor 7V300F0", "VA111630", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ },
{ "ST380817AS", "3.42", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ },
{ "ST3160023AS","3.42", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ },
{ "OCZ CORE_SSD",   "02.10104", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ },
{ "ST31500341AS",   "SD15", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST31500341AS",   "SD16", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST31500341AS",   "SD17", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST31500341AS",   "SD18", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST31500341AS",   "SD19", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST31000333AS",   "SD15", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST31000333AS",   "SD16", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST31000333AS",   "SD17", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST31000333AS",   "SD18", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST31000333AS",   "SD19", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640623AS","SD15", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640623AS","SD16", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640623AS","SD17", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640623AS","SD18", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640623AS","SD19", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640323AS","SD15", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640323AS","SD16", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640323AS","SD17", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640323AS","SD18", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3640323AS","SD19", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320813AS","SD15", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320813AS","SD16", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320813AS","SD17", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320813AS","SD18", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320813AS","SD19", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320613AS","SD15", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320613AS","SD16", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320613AS","SD17", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320613AS","SD18", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "ST3320613AS","SD19", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ |
{ "HTS541060G9SA00","MB3OC60D", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ, },
{ "HTS541080G9SA00","MB4OC60D", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ, },
{ "HTS541010G9SA00","MBZOC60D", ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ, },
{ "noncq",  .horkage_on = ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ },
{ "ncq",.horkage_off= ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ },

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Re: google chrome mailto: in lxde

[Scott Lair]

On Du, 04 iul 10, 12:41:12, Scott Lair wrote:

 Using squeeze with the lxde desktop.  I installed google chrome and
 when I click on a link with a mailto:, chrome opens up another
 browser window and waits.

 I noticed that under gnome it works fine - calls up evolution like
 it should.

 Is there a setting or something in lxde that would fix this?


Try LXDE Menu ->  Preferences ->  Preferred Applications

Regards,
Andrei


Thanks Andrei,

No effect with that - I tried icedove and evolution, still pulled up
 a new window in chrome when a mailto: item is clicked.

Is there any other way to set this in LXDE?

thanks,

Scott

Re: Debian support on newer 4K Advanced format drives (rather than 512 bytes)

[thib]

lee wrote:

Well, I wonder what the manufacturers thinking behind lieing about the
sector size is. [...]


XP, AFAIK.

-t


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Re: CUPS: why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'?

[Merciadri Luca]

(Message was apparently not received.)

Merciadri Luca wrote:
> I was seeing this in System > Administration > Printing > [my_printer's
> properties] > Printer Options > Media Source (using GNOME's GUI to CUPS'
> web interface).
>
> Wolodja Wentland wrote:
>   
>> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 22:21 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> For a printer, why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'? If I
>>> understand it well, `Media Source' specifies where the paper to print on
>>> is. (Or how could the paper be in the CD or DVD tray?)
>>> 
>>>   
>> Where are you seeing this? I checked a CUPS server nearby and was unable
>> to find such an option (which, admittedly, might be due to an incomplete
>> search).
>>
>> kind regards
>>
>> Wolodja
>>   
>> 
>
>
>   


Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Wolodja Wentland wrote:
>   
>> On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 09:52 +0200, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 22:21 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>>> 
>>>   
 For a printer, why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'? If I
 understand it well, `Media Source' specifies where the paper to print on
 is. (Or how could the paper be in the CD or DVD tray?)
   
 
>>> Where are you seeing this? I checked a CUPS server nearby and was unable
>>> to find such an option (which, admittedly, might be due to an incomplete
>>> search).
>>> 
>>>   
>> Yeah, it was due to an incomplete search. (Should have used A* with a
>> good heuristic). Your assumption that "Media Source" specifies the paper
>> source used by default and I am not sure why you are offered "CD/DVD
>> tray". Which printer model are we talking about? Can you provide the PPD
>> you are using?
>>   
>> 
> I'm using an HP OfficeJet Pro L7500.  Well, all these options' choices
> are totally determined by the PPD file, as you exactly pointed it. I
> don't know where I find the PPD file (but it was tricky to find), but my
> printer driver is recognized as `HP OfficeJet Pro L7500 Foomatic/hpijs'
> (and its URI is `hp:/net/Officejet_Pro_L7500?ip=192.168.0.108', notice
> that this is a LAN printer). I thought I was using HPLIP, as it's
> specified at
> http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-OfficeJet_Pro_L7500, but I'm
> not sure.
>
>   


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Re: CUPS: why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'?

[Merciadri Luca]

(Message was apparently not received.)

Merciadri Luca wrote:
> I was seeing this in System > Administration > Printing > [my_printer's
> properties] > Printer Options > Media Source (using GNOME's GUI to CUPS'
> web interface).
>
> Wolodja Wentland wrote:
>   
>> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 22:21 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> For a printer, why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'? If I
>>> understand it well, `Media Source' specifies where the paper to print on
>>> is. (Or how could the paper be in the CD or DVD tray?)
>>> 
>>>   
>> Where are you seeing this? I checked a CUPS server nearby and was unable
>> to find such an option (which, admittedly, might be due to an incomplete
>> search).
>>
>> kind regards
>>
>> Wolodja
>>   
>> 
>
>
>   


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Re: Network crashes under heavy load

[Jaime Di Cristina]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 08:53:32PM +0100, Nathen wrote:
> For some reason my server stops responding to network traffic (shares
> go offline, no response to SSH or ping, etc) after heavy load -
> transferring large amounts of data via Samba or running several iperf
> benchmarks causes it, however the system still responds to the power
> button so shuts down when it's pressed. I'm using an Intel D510MO
> board with Realtek 8111DL network controller which I'm guessing has
> something to do with it, I could be wrong. I think it might be a bug
> but I thought it best to ask here first.
> Thanks. :)

Hello:

Are you running the latest BIOS version? Check this thread:
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=771174 . A poster there
said that network problems went away after updating the BIOS to
version 0210.  Also there are some vague reports of network problems
in the newegg.com reviews for this board.  One user says that the
problems can be solved by "manually compiling drivers from Realtek".

I hope that you can solve the problem and would appreciate if you
shared your results.

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Re: USB peripherals are plugged in across time: how are /dev/ttyUSBx assignations done?

[Celejar]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 14:06:51 +0200
Merciadri Luca  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Let's say that you progressively plug in USB peripherals in(to) USB
> ports of one computer running Debian. How are the /dev/ttyUSB0,
> /dev/ttyUSB1, etc., assignations achieved? Is /dev/ttyUSB0 the first
> plugged device, or is it one in a specific port? Thanks.

Not sure what kind of peripherals you have in mind, but they generally
won't get ttyUSBn addresses, unless they're USB-serial converters,
which contain chips meant to provide a serial / TTY interface to the
system.

In any event, I'm pretty sure that the system will assign an available
address, generally independent of the port, unless you have a udev rule
telling it otherwise.

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USB peripherals are plugged in across time: how are /dev/ttyUSBx assignations done?

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

Let's say that you progressively plug in USB peripherals in(to) USB
ports of one computer running Debian. How are the /dev/ttyUSB0,
/dev/ttyUSB1, etc., assignations achieved? Is /dev/ttyUSB0 the first
plugged device, or is it one in a specific port? Thanks.

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Re: Saving files of one folder in another partition, but without changing the path?

[Merciadri Luca]

Thanks. That's what I was thinking about.

Axel Freyn wrote:
> Hi,
> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 11:33:04PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>   
>> Put simply, I have a program which saves data in a subdirectory of
>> /var/lib/. The problem is double:
>>
>> 1. I can't modify the path where data are saved;
>> 2. I'm lacking free space in /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/ because
>> it is on an isolated partition (say hda2).
>>
>> However, I have free space in /home/merciadriluca/, but this is on
>> another partition (say hda1). How could I manage to save
>> /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/* data at
>> /home/merciadriluca/another_folder/ so that the program notices
>> nothing?
>> Symlink?
>> 
>
> Symlink is one possibility:
> ln -s /home/merciadriluca/another_folder
> /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/
> will create a link "/var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/" which points to
> /home/merciadriluca/another_folder" (before, you have to remove
> /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/)
>
> Another possibility would be to bind-mount the directories:
> (both directories have to exist, /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/should
> be empty)
> mount -o bind /home/merciadriluca/another_folder
> /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/
> Then, you can access the same data in both directories -- they are
> stored on the device of /home/merciadriluca/another_folder
>   

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Re: J-Pilot and Handspring Visor

[Marc Shapiro]

From: Florian Kulzer 


>On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 19:34:04 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:

>> I  have the Vendor and Product IDs from dmesg.

> Then why did you not include this information in your mail?

This is the output from dmesg:

[637797.771076] usb 2-3.1: New USB device found, idVendor=082d, idProduct=0100
[637797.771083] usb 2-3.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, 
SerialNumber=0
[637797.771087] usb 2-3.1: Product: Handspring Visor
[637797.771090] usb 2-3.1: Manufacturer: Handspring Inc

>> How do I set up udev to create /dev/pilot when the hotsync button on
>> the cradle is pressed?

> The first step is to check if your combination of USB vendor and USB
> device ID is listed in one of the alias lines of "modinfo visor".   Udev
> tricks will most likely be useless if the kernel module does not
> recognize your device as being supported.

This is from the output from 'modinfo visor' (a command of which I was not 
aware.  Thanks, Florian):

filename:   /lib/modules/2.6.32-bpo.3-686/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/visor.ko
license:GPL
description:USB HandSpring Visor / Palm OS driver
author: Greg Kroah-Hartman 
alias:  usb:v0E67p0002d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*

alias:  usb:v082Dp0100d*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip*
depends:usbserial,usbcore
vermagic:   2.6.32-bpo.3-686 SMP mod_unload modversions 686
parm:   debug:Debug enabled or not (bool)
parm:   stats:Enables statistics or not (bool)
parm:   vendor:User specified vendor ID (ushort)
parm:   product:User specified product ID (ushort)

That last alias line matches the vendor and product ID, so that looks good.  
So, is there a way to have udev created /dev/pilot when the hotsync button is 
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Re: Connecting to the exterior network is impossible `directly'

[Celejar]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 11:12:34 +0200
Merciadri Luca  wrote:

> Celejar wrote:

...

> > >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_portal#Implementation
> >
> > -
> >
> > Implementation
> >
> > There is more than one way to implement a captive portal.
> > [edit] Redirection by HTTP
> >
> > If an unauthenticated client requests a website, DNS is queried by the
> > browser and the appropriate IP resolved as usual. The browser then
> > sends an HTTP request to that IP address. This request, however, is
> > intercepted by a firewall and forwarded to a redirect server. This
> > redirect server responds with a regular HTTP response which contains
> > HTTP status code 302 to redirect the client to the Captive Portal.

> Is the 302 status code standardized? (I'm here dealing with CISCO
> routers and network stuff, and do they use 302 too?)

302 is a standard (but see the page below) redirect code; I have no
experience with Cisco gear:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_302

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Re: Connecting to the exterior network is impossible `directly'

[Merciadri Luca]

Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 22:07:03 -0400
> Rob Owens  wrote:
>
> ...
>
>   
>> I think the solution was to use opendns servers in /etc/resolv.conf.
>> The reason it works is that, according to the article I read, many of
>> these captive portal systems work by not giving you a dns server until
>> you enter your credentials.  If you manually specify your own dns
>> server, you can avoid entering your credentials.  
>>
>> I've never tested it, but I know that the captive portal systems I've seen 
>> give you an IP
>> address before you enter your credentials.  In fact, they have to give
>> you an IP address otherwise you couldn't get to the "credentials"
>> webpage.
>> 
>
> >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_portal#Implementation
>
> -
>
> Implementation
>
> There is more than one way to implement a captive portal.
> [edit] Redirection by HTTP
>
> If an unauthenticated client requests a website, DNS is queried by the
> browser and the appropriate IP resolved as usual. The browser then
> sends an HTTP request to that IP address. This request, however, is
> intercepted by a firewall and forwarded to a redirect server. This
> redirect server responds with a regular HTTP response which contains
> HTTP status code 302 to redirect the client to the Captive Portal.
Is the 302 status code standardized? (I'm here dealing with CISCO
routers and network stuff, and do they use 302 too?)
> To the client, this process is totally transparent. The client assumes
> that the website actually responded to the initial request and sent the
> redirect. [edit] IP Redirect
>
> Client traffic can also be redirected using IP redirect on the layer 3
> level. This has the disadvantage that content served to the client does
> not match the URL. [edit] Redirection by DNS
>   
/
> When a client requests a website, DNS is queried by the browser. The
> firewall will make sure that only the DNS server(s) provided by DHCP
> can be used by unauthenticated clients (or, alternatively, it will
> forward all DNS requests by unauthenticated clients to that DNS
> server). This DNS server will return the IP address of the Captive
> Portal page as a result of all DNS lookups.
>
> The DNS poisoning technique used here, when not considering answers
> with a TTL of 0, may negatively affect post-authenticated internet use
> when the client machine references non-authentic data in its local
> resolver cache.
>
> Some naive implementations don't block outgoing DNS requests from
> clients, and therefore are very easy to bypass; a user simply needs to
> configure their computer to use another, public, DNS server.
> Implementing a firewall or ACL that ensures no inside clients can use
> an outside DNS server is critical.
>   
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Re: CUPS: why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'?

[Merciadri Luca]

Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 09:52 +0200, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
>   
>> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 22:21 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> 
>>> For a printer, why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'? If I
>>> understand it well, `Media Source' specifies where the paper to print on
>>> is. (Or how could the paper be in the CD or DVD tray?)
>>>   
>> Where are you seeing this? I checked a CUPS server nearby and was unable
>> to find such an option (which, admittedly, might be due to an incomplete
>> search).
>> 
>
> Yeah, it was due to an incomplete search. (Should have used A* with a
> good heuristic). Your assumption that "Media Source" specifies the paper
> source used by default and I am not sure why you are offered "CD/DVD
> tray". Which printer model are we talking about? Can you provide the PPD
> you are using?
>   
I'm using an HP OfficeJet Pro L7500.  Well, all these options' choices
are totally determined by the PPD file, as you exactly pointed it. I
don't know where I find the PPD file (but it was tricky to find), but my
printer driver is recognized as `HP OfficeJet Pro L7500 Foomatic/hpijs'
(and its URI is `hp:/net/Officejet_Pro_L7500?ip=192.168.0.108', notice
that this is a LAN printer). I thought I was using HPLIP, as it's
specified at
http://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-OfficeJet_Pro_L7500, but I'm
not sure.

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Re: CUPS: why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'?

[Merciadri Luca]

I was seeing this in System > Administration > Printing > [my_printer's
properties] > Printer Options > Media Source (using GNOME's GUI to CUPS'
web interface).

Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 22:21 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>   
>> For a printer, why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'? If I
>> understand it well, `Media Source' specifies where the paper to print on
>> is. (Or how could the paper be in the CD or DVD tray?)
>> 
>
> Where are you seeing this? I checked a CUPS server nearby and was unable
> to find such an option (which, admittedly, might be due to an incomplete
> search).
>
> kind regards
>
> Wolodja
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Re: aptitude was: Re: After installation, my P2 is still unable to launch Debian

[Merciadri Luca]

You're right. I had taken the (bad) habit to use apt-get on other
computers, and, once you have begun using apt-get, it's better not to
use aptitude, isn't it?

Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 22:54 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>   
>> why. I did an `apt-get install gnome' and restarted the computer, and
>> 
>
> You might want to use aptitude as it is the default package manager for
> lenny (and subsequent releases) for reasons like better dependency
> resolution, interactive dependency resolution, ...
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boot raid1

[Jozsi Avadkan]

I have two disks.

Debian Lenny/SRAID1

Do i have to make a separate /boot on each disk[how?], and then create
SRAID1 on a remaining partition? or put the /boot on the RAID1?


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Re: Network crashes under heavy load

[Ron Johnson]

On 07/04/2010 02:53 PM, Nathen wrote:

For some reason my server stops responding to network traffic (shares
go offline, no response to SSH or ping, etc) after heavy load -
transferring large amounts of data via Samba or running several iperf


How heavy is "heavy"?


benchmarks causes it, however the system still responds to the power
button so shuts down when it's pressed. I'm using an Intel D510MO
board with Realtek 8111DL network controller which I'm guessing has


Yeah, probably.


something to do with it, I could be wrong. I think it might be a bug
but I thought it best to ask here first.


Intel NICs seem to be very popular on servers, and are very well 
supported under Linux.


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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Ron Johnson]

On 07/04/2010 04:43 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 15:01:35 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:


On 20100704_154414, Camale?n wrote:



Review your "/usr/src/linux/drivers/ata/libata-core.c" and search for
"ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ" string to find a list of blacklisted devices in
which kernel avoids enabling NCQ for some reason (slow/broken).


On my computer /usr/src/linux/ directory does not exist.


(...)

Okay, okay... look here then:

http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/ata/libata-core.c#L4287



One other issue is that this is new in 2.6.33.  (Which is why I 
didn't find it in 2.6.32.)


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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 15:01:35 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:

> On 20100704_154414, Camale?n wrote:

>> Review your "/usr/src/linux/drivers/ata/libata-core.c" and search for
>> "ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ" string to find a list of blacklisted devices in
>> which kernel avoids enabling NCQ for some reason (slow/broken).
> 
> On my computer /usr/src/linux/ directory does not exist.

(...)

Okay, okay... look here then:

http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/ata/libata-core.c#L4287

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how to set port speed for a GPRS connection

[Long Wind]

I have a GPRS connection
In Nokia suite in Windows, it claims the speed is about 460kbps
In pppconfig how to set port speed?
Thanks in advance!
(Because the connection is slow, I may not be able to reply to your help.)


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Re: automatically removing commercials from recorded movies

[Rob Owens]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 08:58:09PM +0200, lee wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 01:03:43PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > 
> > MythTV runs a program called "mythcommflag".  Maybe you could look up
> > the source or just get it to run standalone, without installing MythTV.
> 
> As far as I understood, it works by creating some sort of index,
> giving something like frame numbers telling other components of mythtv
> to skip commercials or to cut them out. I never managed to get mythtv
> to actually cut out commercials and was only able to skip them during
> viewing.
> 
Look into nuvexport.  It comes with MythTV.  I've never gotten it to
work (but I didn't try all that hard), but it's supposed to be able to
export to the format of your choice and remove the commercials that have
been flagged by mythcommflag.  Of course, this might require the myth
database, which is getting awfully close to a full-fledged MythTV
system.

> > I just tried "mplayer -vf blackframe myfile" and it looks like it might
> > have output a list of frames that are black.  I'm not 100% sure what I'm
> > looking at here, to be honest.
> 
> 
>blackframe[=amount:threshold]
>   Detect  frames  that are (almost) completely black.  Can
> be useful to detect chapter transitions or commercials.
> Output lines consist of the frame number of the detected
> frame, the percentage of blackness, the frame
>   type and the frame number of the last encountered
> keyframe.
> 
>  
>   Percentage of the pixels that have to be below
> the threshold (default: 98).
> 
>  
>   Threshold below which a pixel value is
> considered black (default: 32).
> 
> 
> H ... Could be useful, but it just plays the movie. The manpage of
> mplayer is pretty much unreadable, so I couldn't figure out how to
> only filter the file and have the frame numbers printed. And then,
> when I have such numbers, what do I do with them other than entering
> them into dvbcut?
> 
I don't know.  I was hoping you might!

-Rob


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Re: Network crashes under heavy load

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 04 iul 10, 20:53:32, Nathen wrote:
> For some reason my server stops responding to network traffic (shares
> go offline, no response to SSH or ping, etc) after heavy load -
> transferring large amounts of data via Samba or running several iperf
> benchmarks causes it, however the system still responds to the power
> button so shuts down when it's pressed. I'm using an Intel D510MO
> board with Realtek 8111DL network controller which I'm guessing has
> something to do with it, I could be wrong. I think it might be a bug
> but I thought it best to ask here first.
> Thanks. :)

Anything interesting in the logs (/var/log/syslog)?

Do you have a different adapter (preferably different chipset) to test 
with?

Are you sure it's not the switch (if you have any)?

You might also try to replace the cable(s), you never know.

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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 04 iul 10, 15:01:35, Paul E Condon wrote:
 
> But now I'm looking at debian.org and having difficulty figuring out
> what to do to get my /usr/src/linux directory created and
> populated. Can someone recommend a howto for deb-src?

The Linux kernel is special, because the source is packaged as a regular 
package, named linux-source-. Just install that. You may also 
want to install the corresponding linux-doc- package.

> Is there a
> distinction between sid and testing in deb-src?

Of course. The deb-src lines should be analogue to your regular deb 
lines, but beware: by default 'apt-get source ' will get the 
source for the most recent version regardless of any kind of pinning.

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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Sven Joachim]

On 2010-07-04 23:20 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

> Paul E Condon put forth on 7/4/2010 4:01 PM:
>
>> On my computer /usr/src/linux/ directory does not exist. 
>
> That's because you don't compile your own kernels (or at least on that PC).

There is no reason to build kernels under /usr/src/linux.  Any directory
where you have write access is fine.

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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Stan Hoeppner]

Paul E Condon put forth on 7/4/2010 4:01 PM:

> On my computer /usr/src/linux/ directory does not exist. 

That's because you don't compile your own kernels (or at least on that PC).

Google for "ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ"

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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Paul E Condon]

On 20100704_154414, Camale?n wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 09:04:56 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> 
> > On 20100702_235713, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> 
> >> >>> "ATA_NCQ_HORKAGE list"? The only hit that I get on this string in
> >> >>> Google
> > 
> > I was involved in this confusion at an earlier stage. I'm still
> > confused: What, exactly, do I type into Google to gain a URL of this
> > resource?  Does it REALLY involve HORKAGE with an "H"? And underscores?
> > Presumably this is a well know resource. But only to those who already
> > know, and not to me.
> 
> Review your "/usr/src/linux/drivers/ata/libata-core.c" and search for 
> "ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ" string to find a list of blacklisted devices in which 
> kernel avoids enabling NCQ for some reason (slow/broken).

On my computer /usr/src/linux/ directory does not exist. 

I do have deb-src lines in my /etc/apt/sources.list, but have not used
them much.  Once I downloaded source for find and made a modification
and rebuilt in order to implement a personal preference. 

But now I'm looking at debian.org and having difficulty figuring out
what to do to get my /usr/src/linux directory created and
populated. Can someone recommend a howto for deb-src? Is there a
distinction between sid and testing in deb-src?

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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[Celejar]

On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 18:02:47 +0200
lee  wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 04:00:57PM +, Camaleón wrote:

...

> > If developers are not aware of your situation, they cannot correct the 
> > bugs
> 
> Still filing bug reports doesn't seem to achieve anything these days.

Overbroad generalization.  Yes, some (many?) bug reports are simply
ignored, but many are dealt with promptly, courteously and
professionally, and end up with the problem being resolved.

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Network crashes under heavy load

[Nathen]

For some reason my server stops responding to network traffic (shares
go offline, no response to SSH or ping, etc) after heavy load -
transferring large amounts of data via Samba or running several iperf
benchmarks causes it, however the system still responds to the power
button so shuts down when it's pressed. I'm using an Intel D510MO
board with Realtek 8111DL network controller which I'm guessing has
something to do with it, I could be wrong. I think it might be a bug
but I thought it best to ask here first.
Thanks. :)


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Re: google chrome mailto: in lxde

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 04 iul 10, 12:41:12, Scott Lair wrote:
> Using squeeze with the lxde desktop.  I installed google chrome and
> when I click on a link with a mailto:, chrome opens up another
> browser window and waits.
> 
> I noticed that under gnome it works fine - calls up evolution like
> it should.
> 
> Is there a setting or something in lxde that would fix this?

Try LXDE Menu -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications

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Re: automatically removing commercials from recorded movies

[lee]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 01:03:43PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> 
> MythTV runs a program called "mythcommflag".  Maybe you could look up
> the source or just get it to run standalone, without installing MythTV.

As far as I understood, it works by creating some sort of index,
giving something like frame numbers telling other components of mythtv
to skip commercials or to cut them out. I never managed to get mythtv
to actually cut out commercials and was only able to skip them during
viewing.

> I just tried "mplayer -vf blackframe myfile" and it looks like it might
> have output a list of frames that are black.  I'm not 100% sure what I'm
> looking at here, to be honest.


   blackframe[=amount:threshold]
  Detect  frames  that are (almost) completely black.  Can
  be useful to detect chapter transitions or commercials.
  Output lines consist of the frame number of the detected
  frame, the percentage of blackness, the frame
  type and the frame number of the last encountered
  keyframe.

 
  Percentage of the pixels that have to be below
  the threshold (default: 98).

 
  Threshold below which a pixel value is
  considered black (default: 32).


H ... Could be useful, but it just plays the movie. The manpage of
mplayer is pretty much unreadable, so I couldn't figure out how to
only filter the file and have the frame numbers printed. And then,
when I have such numbers, what do I do with them other than entering
them into dvbcut?


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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:33:34 +0200, lee wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 04:42:46PM +, Camaleón wrote:

>> You cannot disconnect the main disk because hibernation saves the image
>> of the running system there (unless you manually change the location).
> 
> Sure I can disconnect the disks. But as I said, I won't be able to test
> suspending to disk then.

How are you testing hibernation with hard disks turned-off?

>> But again, if you want to safely test hibernation on your system, go
>> with a LiveCD
> 
> And save the image on the live CD when suspending to disk?

I tested that way (from Debian LiveCD) before installing Debian into the 
hard disk. As LiveCD loses any configuration after shutdown, I just 
hibernated the machine day by day... and, hey, you know what? It worked 
like a charm.
 
>> or install Debian into an old disk connected via USB. There you can
>> make any test you want without worring about losing your data.
> 
> I don't have an old disk I could use for this. And what about the rest
> of the hardware? Disconnect or remove that as well so that it can't be
> damaged?

I am starting to think that you do not really want to have hibernation 
working on your machine :-/

>> > Still filing bug reports doesn't seem to achieve anything these days.
>> 
>> I think that is a bad attitude,
> 
> It's only my experience. What would that have to do with attitude?

A bad attitude is saying: "It won't be fixed, I do not report". Do not 
care about the result, just do your job.
 
>> No sir. I'm afraid you still are not getting the inners of how
>> hibernation works.
> 
> When hardware doesn't work and it's still under warranty, I return it.
> That doesn't have to do anything with suspending to disk.

So do I. I'm not following you here.

No one is saying your hardware is bad but that you have to put some 
interest in making things to work.

>> When testing hibernation you are not testing a piece of hardware
>> "separately" but a complete system (drivers, programs, hardware,
>> kernel, DE tools...). Hardware can perform and work nice but not
>> drivers, and the manufacturer has not provided you with any driver for
>> that hardware.
> 
> It's still something that should work out of the box.

How? The manufacturer has tested the hardware under different conditions 
(windows OS, mainly) and you are not using a windows system, aren't you? 
Manufacturer cannot know (because the product is "windows certified") how 
the hardware behaves under that condition, I mean, running in a Linux 
system.

>> Read on...
>> 
>> 
> 
> Where's your certificate showing that your car is certified to perform
> flawlessly under your particular driving conditions? And where are such
> certifactes of other car owners?

Yes, it is there. Read your own car's manual/guarantee policy and you'll 
see.
 
>> > Yet you say there are no such tools.
>> 
>> No, I say that I dunno about any special tool for vga.
> 
> See above, you said "There are no such tools.".

That is my understanding.

>> Just tell me where in the docs it says there are tools for graphic
>> cards, besides the hook scripts I told you before that are used in
>> hibernation/resume operations.
> 
> see /usr/share/doc/uswsusp/README
> 
> As sid before, the directories where the hook scripts would be are
> empty.

That "hooks" were the ones I told you... and there are none. Okay, so you 
have to write your own hooks or open a bug report for that package 
telling exactly that: there are no script hooks included in the package.

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Re: normalize audio volume

[Matthew Moore]

On Sunday July 4 2010 9:15:09 am Rob Owens wrote:
> All of my music contains tags for vorbisgain/replaygain.  MythTV's Myth
> Music player, however, doesn't have provisions to use replaygain.  Is there
> a way I can pipe my audio output to another program which will raise/lower
> the volume, effectively adding replaygain to Myth Music?

If mythtv has a mpd client, you can use a local mpd instance to play your 
music (mpd has replaygain support).

MM


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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[Memnon Anon]

Lisi  writes:
[...]
> I do not know about Germany, but here the shop/firm would be likely to
> say that installing Linux counts as misuse, or at any rate is not
> covered, and would in all probability have no difficulty persuading
> both Trading Standards Officers and the courts to agree with them.

I did not try, but I expect the same to happen in Germany as well.
So, if you want to buy some hardware, check if it is well supported by
linux *before* you hand over the money. This is what I was told when I
started using linux 10 years ago, and it seems to be as valid an advice
in 2010...

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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 19:44:18 +0200, lee wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 05:06:02PM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> No, I think you still ignore what is this all about. I'll try to make
>> it short and easy:
> 
> Your objections are completely irrelevant. 

Those are not "my" objections but how things work. If you don't like it, 
I'm afraid I can only say "sorry for you".

> I was saying that suspend to
> disk is something that should work out of the box. 

In an ideal world, yes, *anything* should just work out the box...

> The Debian installer
> is another example for something that should work out of the box. Yet
> suspending to disk doesn't, and I've seen the Debian installer failing
> miserably as well because there wasn't any support for SATA drives
> included despite they had already replaced the IDE drives at that time.

I'm not with Debian enough time to see the installer failing but for sure 
I had many problems with another distros installers as well as hardware 
detection issues or software problems. And I had to write many bug 
reports so the errors I was facing were corrected in the upcoming 
releases.

> Still that doesn't mean that the Debian installer and suspending to disk
> shouldn't work out of the box. You may have a different opinion about
> what should work out of the box and what not, but both our opinions
> about this are irrelevant.

I don't think so. Because is not about "opinions" but real errors or bugs 
that can be corrected and is up to you (or me) to get them fixed.
 
> As to warranties and certificates: If it would turn out that the USB 3.0
> controller I bought a few days ago prevents suspending to disk, I could
> return it to the store and either get another one or my money back. I've
> recently done it with a graphics card that got too hot and blanked out
> the screen and an USB card reader that wasn't detected at all when
> plugged in. Nobody asked for any certificates, and even if they did, I
> didn't agree to or sign any certificates when buying the hardware.

Fine! But how in the hell are you expecting to know that your new USB 3.0 
controller card is preventing hibernation, provided that you *do not 
want* to make any test? That is a no-sense.
 
> So what's the point in your attempts to encounter practical experience
> with returning hardware with the mentioning that I don't have
> certificates that certify compatibility and therefore won't be able to
> return the hardware if it doesn't work? I just return it.

Read my very first post on this thread. I was giving you hints on how to 
debug your hibernation problems, then you said that you "do not want to 
experiment with hibernation because it fails". 

Of course it can fail! Hibernation is not bullet-proof science, as 
neither is anything else in your system.

Look, how many times we are seeing here -in this list- that an update 
(kernel, xorg server...) broke something (X display, network 
connection...). Many times, I'd say. And what are you going to do? Are 
you going to the hardware store and return back any piece of your 
computer that fails at some point? That is a no sense approach :-/

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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[lee]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 04:42:46PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:02:47 +0200, lee wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 04:00:57PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> >> Then you can setup a chrooted environment and make the tests in there.
> >> Or you can try with a LiveCD to avoid data loss. Nowadays you have many
> >> choices to test hibernation in a safe environment.
> > 
> > There's nothing save about turning off and on the hardware many times
> > consecutively. I could disconnect the disks to minimize the risks, but
> > then it won't be possible to test suspend to disk.
> 
> You cannot disconnect the main disk because hibernation saves the image of 
> the running system there (unless you manually change the location).

Sure I can disconnect the disks. But as I said, I won't be able to
test suspending to disk then.

> But again, if you want to safely test hibernation on your system, go with 
> a LiveCD

And save the image on the live CD when suspending to disk?

> or install Debian into an old disk connected via USB. There you 
> can make any test you want without worring about losing your data.

I don't have an old disk I could use for this. And what about the rest
of the hardware? Disconnect or remove that as well so that it can't be
damaged?

> >> If developers are not aware of your situation, they cannot correct the
> >> bugs
> > 
> > Still filing bug reports doesn't seem to achieve anything these days.
> 
> I think that is a bad attitude,

It's only my experience. What would that have to do with attitude?

> No sir. I'm afraid you still are not getting the inners of how 
> hibernation works.

When hardware doesn't work and it's still under warranty, I return
it. That doesn't have to do anything with suspending to disk.

> When testing hibernation you are not testing a piece of hardware 
> "separately" but a complete system (drivers, programs, hardware, kernel, 
> DE tools...). Hardware can perform and work nice but not drivers, and the 
> manufacturer has not provided you with any driver for that hardware.

It's still something that should work out of the box.

> >> > No manufacturer or dealer is going to give you a certificate that the
> >> > car in question will perform as desired under your particular
> >> > driving/using conditions.
> >> 
> >> Sure they do!
> > 
> > They don't --- or can you show me the certificate you got for your car
> > and a number of others other ppl got?
> 
> Read on...
> 
> 

Where's your certificate showing that your car is certified to perform
flawlessly under your particular driving conditions? And where are
such certifactes of other car owners?

> >> >> >> What "required tools" are you referring to?
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > the tools needed for graphics cards
> >> >> 
> >> >> There no such tools. What you usually have to do when the graphics
> >> >> card driver (or any other driver) has problems to resume from
> >> >> hibernating is creating a hook to load/unload the required driver,
> >> >> that should be all.
> >> > 
> >> > The documentation says that there are. Perhaps what you're describing
> >> > is what these tools do ...
> >> 
> >> If the docs say that "there are", it will also say "where to get" them
> >> >:-)
> > 
> > Yet you say there are no such tools.
> 
> No, I say that I dunno about any special tool for vga.

See above, you said "There are no such tools.".

> Just tell me where in the docs it says there are tools for graphic
> cards, besides the hook scripts I told you before that are used in
> hibernation/resume operations.

see /usr/share/doc/uswsusp/README

As sid before, the directories where the hook scripts would be are
empty.


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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[lee]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 05:06:02PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> No, I think you still ignore what is this all about. I'll try to make it 
> short and easy:

Your objections are completely irrelevant. I was saying that suspend
to disk is something that should work out of the box. The Debian
installer is another example for something that should work out of the
box. Yet suspending to disk doesn't, and I've seen the Debian
installer failing miserably as well because there wasn't any support
for SATA drives included despite they had already replaced the IDE
drives at that time. Still that doesn't mean that the Debian installer
and suspending to disk shouldn't work out of the box. You may have a
different opinion about what should work out of the box and what not,
but both our opinions about this are irrelevant.


As to warranties and certificates: If it would turn out that the USB
3.0 controller I bought a few days ago prevents suspending to disk, I
could return it to the store and either get another one or my money
back. I've recently done it with a graphics card that got too hot and
blanked out the screen and an USB card reader that wasn't detected at
all when plugged in. Nobody asked for any certificates, and even if
they did, I didn't agree to or sign any certificates when buying the
hardware.

So what's the point in your attempts to encounter practical experience
with returning hardware with the mentioning that I don't have
certificates that certify compatibility and therefore won't be able to
return the hardware if it doesn't work? I just return it.


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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:14:07 +0200, lee wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 08:42:02PM +, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:40:32 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
>> 
>> > Excuse me but are you *really* saying that anyone "there" would buy a
>> > car that only certain people can operate without voiding the
>> > warranty? Where is there?
>> 
>> Is not the "people" who drives the car but the "use" that people do
>> with the car.
> 
> Of course it's ppl driving the car, it doesn't drive all by itself.
> Everybodys driving conditions are different, and you don't get a
> certificate that the car is suited for yours.
> 
> Just imagine your certified windoze computer: Does the certificate name
> every piece of software and the version of the software, etc., you're
> allowed to run on it, and do you lose the warranty on your computer when
> you dare to run some software that's not specified on the certificate?

(...)

No, I think you still ignore what is this all about. I'll try to make it 
short and easy:

Hibernation/suspension is only guaranteed to work "out of the box" on 
complete/full systems (computers *and* operating system) that have been 
certified to do it so. Period.

On DIY systems, you can only "hope" that hibernation plays nice with your 
current hardware and software, and if not (wich happens very often), 
debug it, make test or just leave as is.

More info:

***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibernation_(computing)

(...) In some cases entering into hibernation can cause incorrect 
operation on restarting, due to problems with the hibernation software, 
or with devices or software which is not fully compliant. Hibernate 
causes connections to other devices to terminate.
***

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Re: automatically removing commercials from recorded movies

[Rob Owens]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 05:42:02PM +0200, lee wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 11:21:40AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 04:34:43PM +0200, lee wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > what do you use to automatically remove commercials from movies
> > > recorded with a TV card? I know mythtv can do it, but I don't like
> > > mythtv.
> > > 
> > Personally, I'd just use MythTV.  But if you want to do it yourself,
> > avidemux has a "next black frame" button.  I know that's one of the
> > methods MythTV uses to detect commercials.  This might get you started.
> 
> The problem with avidemux is that it is unable to keep the sound
> synchronized with the movie. So I'm using dvbcut which doesn't have
> this problem. But it's tedious to cut out all the commercials manually
> ...
> 
Yeah, I've had that trouble before.

MythTV runs a program called "mythcommflag".  Maybe you could look up
the source or just get it to run standalone, without installing MythTV.

> > And if avidemux has this feature, mplayer/mencoder probably has it too.
> 
> Hm, any idea how to make use of that? I couldn't find anything to that
> in the manpage. It has even been impossible to create a channels.conf
> for mplayer ...
> 
This was just a guess, because I know avidemux is based on a lot of
mencoder code.

I just tried "mplayer -vf blackframe myfile" and it looks like it might
have output a list of frames that are black.  I'm not 100% sure what I'm
looking at here, to be honest.

-Rob


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google chrome mailto: in lxde

[Scott Lair]

Using squeeze with the lxde desktop.  I installed google 
chrome and when I click on a link with a mailto:, chrome 
opens up another browser window and waits.


I noticed that under gnome it works fine - calls up 
evolution like it should.


Is there a setting or something in lxde that would fix this?

thanks,

Scott


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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:02:47 +0200, lee wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 04:00:57PM +, Camaleón wrote:

>> Then you can setup a chrooted environment and make the tests in there.
>> Or you can try with a LiveCD to avoid data loss. Nowadays you have many
>> choices to test hibernation in a safe environment.
> 
> There's nothing save about turning off and on the hardware many times
> consecutively. I could disconnect the disks to minimize the risks, but
> then it won't be possible to test suspend to disk.

You cannot disconnect the main disk because hibernation saves the image of 
the running system there (unless you manually change the location).

But again, if you want to safely test hibernation on your system, go with 
a LiveCD or install Debian into an old disk connected via USB. There you 
can make any test you want without worring about losing your data.

>> If developers are not aware of your situation, they cannot correct the
>> bugs
> 
> Still filing bug reports doesn't seem to achieve anything these days.

I think that is a bad attitude, but as I said before, it's your choice, 
your system, your time and your hibernation problem. Take it as you wish :-)

>> > No, you're doing that. It's just hardware, and if it doesn't work, I
>> > return it. It's that simple.
>> 
>> No, it's not "just" hardware.
> 
> sure it is

No sir. I'm afraid you still are not getting the inners of how 
hibernation works.

>> Want kind of guarantee are you expecting from the manufacturer?
> 
> Just what they usually do: When you find out that a piece of hardware
> doesn't work, you take it back to the store and either change it out or
> have your money refunded. It's really that simple, I've done it before.

When testing hibernation you are not testing a piece of hardware 
"separately" but a complete system (drivers, programs, hardware, kernel, 
DE tools...). Hardware can perform and work nice but not drivers, and the 
manufacturer has not provided you with any driver for that hardware.
 
>> > No manufacturer or dealer is going to give you a certificate that the
>> > car in question will perform as desired under your particular
>> > driving/using conditions.
>> 
>> Sure they do!
> 
> They don't --- or can you show me the certificate you got for your car
> and a number of others other ppl got?

Read on...



(...)

>> >> >> What "required tools" are you referring to?
>> >> > 
>> >> > the tools needed for graphics cards
>> >> 
>> >> There no such tools. What you usually have to do when the graphics
>> >> card driver (or any other driver) has problems to resume from
>> >> hibernating is creating a hook to load/unload the required driver,
>> >> that should be all.
>> > 
>> > The documentation says that there are. Perhaps what you're describing
>> > is what these tools do ...
>> 
>> If the docs say that "there are", it will also say "where to get" them
>> >:-)
> 
> Yet you say there are no such tools.

No, I say that I dunno about any special tool for vga. Just tell me where 
in the docs it says there are tools for graphic cards, besides the hook 
scripts I told you before that are used in hibernation/resume operations.

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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[Lisi]

On Sunday 04 July 2010 17:14:07 lee wrote:
> It's ppl using computers and running software on them; computers don't
> run all by themselves, just like cars. Same is with refrigerators: You
> don't get a certificate telling you exactly which goods you may put
> into your fridge. But you expect your frigde to keep your goods cool,
> and if it doesn't, you return it. It's just a piece of hardware, and,
> again, it's that simple.

Guarantees in this country (England - and I mean England, not GB or UK) always 
specify that the object must not have been misused, and misuse of various 
types annul the warranty.  I do not know about Germany, but here the 
shop/firm would be likely to say that installing Linux counts as misuse, or 
at any rate is not covered, and would in all probability have no difficulty 
persuading both Trading Standards Officers and the courts to agree with them.

Lisi


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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[lee]

On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 08:42:02PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:40:32 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 04:00:57PM +, Camale�n wrote:
> >> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:11:03 +0200, lee wrote:
> > 
> > .snip.
> > 
> >> > And who would buy a car that comes with a certificate that only the
> >> > ppl named in the certificate are allowed to use it and that otherwise
> >> > the car might break down and any warranty is forfeited?
> >> 
> >> Anyone here will :-)
> > 
> > Excuse me but are you *really* saying that anyone "there" would buy a
> > car that only certain people can operate without voiding the warranty?
> > Where is there?
> 
> Is not the "people" who drives the car but the "use" that people do with 
> the car.

Of course it's ppl driving the car, it doesn't drive all by
itself. Everybodys driving conditions are different, and you don't get
a certificate that the car is suited for yours.

Just imagine your certified windoze computer: Does the certificate
name every piece of software and the version of the software, etc.,
you're allowed to run on it, and do you lose the warranty on your
computer when you dare to run some software that's not specified on
the certificate?

It's ppl using computers and running software on them; computers don't
run all by themselves, just like cars. Same is with refrigerators: You
don't get a certificate telling you exactly which goods you may put
into your fridge. But you expect your frigde to keep your goods cool,
and if it doesn't, you return it. It's just a piece of hardware, and,
again, it's that simple.


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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Lisi]

On Sunday 04 July 2010 16:04:56 Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20100702_235713, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh put forth on 7/2/2010 9:24 PM:
> > > On Fri, 02 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > >>> software...  What is NCQ? (in this context, of course) What is
> > >
> > > A way to have various requests "in flight" and let the disk itself
> > > order them to get "better" performance.  Whether it helps performance
> > > or not depends on the IO workload, the kind of device, and the quality
> > > of the NCQ firmware in the device.
> > >
> > >>> "ATA_NCQ_HORKAGE list"? The only hit that I get on this string in
> > >>> Google
>
> I was involved in this confusion at an earlier stage. I'm still
> confused: What, exactly, do I type into Google to gain a URL of this
> resource?  Does it REALLY involve HORKAGE with an "H"? And
> underscores? Presumably this is a well know resource. But only to
> those who already know, and not to me.

Try reading the bottom of your own email (and now beneath this), where it 
correctly quotes Stan.  He says that it should be: "ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ".

Lisi

> > > It is a blacklist for defective products that misbehave when NCQ is
> > > enabled, or which have such a poor excuse of an NCQ implementation that
> > > one should never enable it.
> >
> > You mangled your quoting.  I didn't ask these questions, another OP did. 
> > I answered them.  Or, at least, someone else answered the first and I
> > answered the second.  And again, it's not "ATA_NCQ_HORKAGE" but rather
> > "ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ".  No real foul.  I'm just correcting the record for
> > the various archives.
> >
> > --
> > Stan




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Re: suspend to disk unreliable?

[lee]

On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 04:00:57PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:11:03 +0200, lee wrote:
> > Insofar such testing involves eventually losing data, doing such testing
> > isn't really an option.
> 
> Then you can setup a chrooted environment and make the tests in there. Or 
> you can try with a LiveCD to avoid data loss. Nowadays you have many 
> choices to test hibernation in a safe environment.

There's nothing save about turning off and on the hardware many times
consecutively. I could disconnect the disks to minimize the risks, but
then it won't be possible to test suspend to disk.

> If developers are not aware of your situation, they cannot correct the 
> bugs

Still filing bug reports doesn't seem to achieve anything these days.

> > No, you're doing that. It's just hardware, and if it doesn't work, I
> > return it. It's that simple.
> 
> No, it's not "just" hardware.

sure it is

> Want kind of guarantee are you expecting from the manufacturer?

Just what they usually do: When you find out that a piece of hardware
doesn't work, you take it back to the store and either change it out
or have your money refunded. It's really that simple, I've done it
before.

> > No manufacturer or dealer is going to give you a certificate that the
> > car in question will perform as desired under your particular
> > driving/using conditions. 
> 
> Sure they do!

They don't --- or can you show me the certificate you got for your
car and a number of others other ppl got?

> > And who would buy a car that comes with a
> > certificate that only the ppl named in the certificate are allowed to
> > use it and that otherwise the car might break down and any warranty is
> > forfeited?
> 
> Anyone here will :-)

And they lose their warranty when they take it to a shop for an
inspection as required by the warranty because one of the mechanics
who's not named on the certificate drives it into the shop. Yeah, sure ...

> >> >> What "required tools" are you referring to?
> >> > 
> >> > the tools needed for graphics cards
> >> 
> >> There no such tools. What you usually have to do when the graphics card
> >> driver (or any other driver) has problems to resume from hibernating is
> >> creating a hook to load/unload the required driver, that should be all.
> > 
> > The documentation says that there are. Perhaps what you're describing is
> > what these tools do ...
> 
> If the docs say that "there are", it will also say "where to get" them 
> >:-)

Yet you say there are no such tools.


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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 09:04:56 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:

> On 20100702_235713, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

>> >>> "ATA_NCQ_HORKAGE list"? The only hit that I get on this string in
>> >>> Google
> 
> I was involved in this confusion at an earlier stage. I'm still
> confused: What, exactly, do I type into Google to gain a URL of this
> resource?  Does it REALLY involve HORKAGE with an "H"? And underscores?
> Presumably this is a well know resource. But only to those who already
> know, and not to me.

Review your "/usr/src/linux/drivers/ata/libata-core.c" and search for 
"ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ" string to find a list of blacklisted devices in which 
kernel avoids enabling NCQ for some reason (slow/broken).

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Re: automatically removing commercials from recorded movies

[lee]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 11:21:40AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 04:34:43PM +0200, lee wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > what do you use to automatically remove commercials from movies
> > recorded with a TV card? I know mythtv can do it, but I don't like
> > mythtv.
> > 
> Personally, I'd just use MythTV.  But if you want to do it yourself,
> avidemux has a "next black frame" button.  I know that's one of the
> methods MythTV uses to detect commercials.  This might get you started.

The problem with avidemux is that it is unable to keep the sound
synchronized with the movie. So I'm using dvbcut which doesn't have
this problem. But it's tedious to cut out all the commercials manually
...

> And if avidemux has this feature, mplayer/mencoder probably has it too.

Hm, any idea how to make use of that? I couldn't find anything to that
in the manpage. It has even been impossible to create a channels.conf
for mplayer ...


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Re: Debian support on newer 4K Advanced format drives (rather than 512 bytes)

[lee]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 02:31:15PM +1000, CaT wrote:
> 
> I wont be buying more of these if I can avoid it. I'd rather a 4k drive
> that says it's a 4k drive and get on with life.

Well, I wonder what the manufacturers thinking behind lieing about the
sector size is. It only leads to problems --- everyone who bought a
disk like that and partitions it as usual should just exchange it if
permance testing shows poor performance until they get one that just
works.

And how do RAID controllers handle such disks? They present the disks
transparently to the OS, and if they can't figure out that a 4k
alignment is required, you can only return the disks when the
performance is poor ...

This problem has greatly contributed to my decision to buy one or two
more 500GB disks (same model as the others I have) and to convert the
RAID-1 to a RAID-5, rather than buying two 2TB disks to set up another
RAID-1. It's also a lot cheaper: Two more disks will triple the
capacity for less than half the price of one 2TB disk, and they are
somewhat likely to be faster.


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Re: automatically removing commercials from recorded movies

[Rob Owens]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 04:34:43PM +0200, lee wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> what do you use to automatically remove commercials from movies
> recorded with a TV card? I know mythtv can do it, but I don't like
> mythtv.
> 
Personally, I'd just use MythTV.  But if you want to do it yourself,
avidemux has a "next black frame" button.  I know that's one of the
methods MythTV uses to detect commercials.  This might get you started.

And if avidemux has this feature, mplayer/mencoder probably has it too.

-Rob


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normalize audio volume

[Rob Owens]

All of my music contains tags for vorbisgain/replaygain.  MythTV's Myth
Music player, however, doesn't have provisions to use replaygain.  Is there a
way I can pipe my audio output to another program which will raise/lower
the volume, effectively adding replaygain to Myth Music?

-Rob


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Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping

[lee]

On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 11:34:52AM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 09:39:53 -0400 (EDT), lee  wrote:
> > 
> > Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf:
> >
> > Section "InputDevice"
> > Identifier "Keyboard0"
> > Driver "kbd"
> > Option "XKBOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
> > Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
> > Option "XkbLayout"   "de"
> > EndSection
> > 
> 
> Are you running Lenny?  I thought all that stuff was dynamically
> sensed in Squeeze.

Testing --- no idea if an xorg.conf is needed, but it works now :) But
then, how do you tell the X server to use the nvidia driver or what
keyboard you have without an xorg.conf?


> > Stephen Powell wrote:
> >> If I recall correctly, you had a 101-key IBM Model M keyboard, is
> >> that correct?
> > 
> > Aren't they 102 keys?
> 
> If I recall correctly, the US version has 101 keys; and the international
> version has 102 keys.  The shape of the Enter key on the main portion
> of the keyboard (as opposed to the numeric keypad) is the easiest way
> to tell the difference.  The international version has a key cap for
> the Enter key that has the shape of a backwards capital L.  The US
> version has an Enter key with a rectangular shape.  At the risk of
> boring you with mind-numbing detail, here is the physical layout of the
> US version, which is the one I have:
> 
> Esc  F1 F2 F3 F4  F5 F6 F7 F8  F9 F10 F11 F12  Print_Screen Scroll_Lock Pause
> ` 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 - = Backspace  Insert Home Page_Up  Num_Lock / * -
> Tab q w e r t y u i o p [ ] \  Delete End Page_Down  Home Up_Arrow PgUp 
> +_(top_half)
> Caps_Lock a s d f g h j k l ; ' EnterLeft_Arrow noop_(5_when_shifted) 
> Right_Arrow
> Shift z x c v b n m , . / Shift  Up_Arrow  End Down_Arrow PgDn 
> Enter_(top_half)
> Ctrl  Alt Space_Bar Alt  Ctrl  Left_Arrow Down_Arrow Right_Arrow  Ins Del
> 
> That's 101 keys.

Hm, the cap on the enter key is rectangular but at the top has an
outcropping which probably is what makes you referring to the
L. However, there are German keyboards that have this L-shaped enter
key. There are different versions of US keyboards as well, though
there might be only one version of the Model M.

It's qwertz, of course, jklöä# Enter, the Alt Key on the right side is
labled "AltGr", and the Ctrl keys are labled "Strg" --- whatever these
are supposed to mean.

Besides that, the German layout is unsuited for computers because keys
like "/", "~" and the brackets are at pretty inaccessible locations
(like Shift-7 for "/" and AltGr for "{"). That's something I changed.

If you're interested, I can send you my .Xmodmap ... There are some
pictures on [1]. Unfortunately, they don't have an email address which
prevents me from asking how much the shipping would be ...


[1]: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/keyboards.html


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Re: SATA disk detected as IDE? SOLVED

[Paul E Condon]

On 20100702_235713, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh put forth on 7/2/2010 9:24 PM:
> > On Fri, 02 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >>> software...  What is NCQ? (in this context, of course) What is
> > 
> > A way to have various requests "in flight" and let the disk itself order
> > them to get "better" performance.  Whether it helps performance or not
> > depends on the IO workload, the kind of device, and the quality of the NCQ
> > firmware in the device.
> > 
> >>> "ATA_NCQ_HORKAGE list"? The only hit that I get on this string in Google

I was involved in this confusion at an earlier stage. I'm still
confused: What, exactly, do I type into Google to gain a URL of this
resource?  Does it REALLY involve HORKAGE with an "H"? And
underscores? Presumably this is a well know resource. But only to
those who already know, and not to me.

TIA

> > 
> > It is a blacklist for defective products that misbehave when NCQ is
> > enabled, or which have such a poor excuse of an NCQ implementation that one
> > should never enable it.
> 
> 
> You mangled your quoting.  I didn't ask these questions, another OP did.  I
> answered them.  Or, at least, someone else answered the first and I answered
> the second.  And again, it's not "ATA_NCQ_HORKAGE" but rather
> "ATA_HORKAGE_NONCQ".  No real foul.  I'm just correcting the record for the
> various archives.
> 
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automatically removing commercials from recorded movies

[lee]

Hi,

what do you use to automatically remove commercials from movies
recorded with a TV card? I know mythtv can do it, but I don't like
mythtv.


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Re: Debian support on newer 4K Advanced format drives (rather than 512 bytes)

[Ron Johnson]

On 07/03/2010 03:09 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Ron Johnson put forth on 7/3/2010 2:36 PM:


This is unrelated.  FS block size != sector size.


It is when you use a 4KB drive


Not according to man on Stable:

mkfs.xfs [ -b block_size ] ... [ -s sector_size  ] [ -L label ] [ -N ] device

-b block_size_options

 This option specifies the fundamental block size of the filesystem. The
valid block_size_options are: log=value or size=value and only one can be
supplied. The block size is specified either as a base two logarithm value
with log=, or in bytes with size=. The default value is 4096 bytes (4 KiB),


Ok, shame on me for forgetting to use the word "default".


the minimum is 512, and the maximum is 65536 (64 KiB). XFS on Linux currently
only supports pagesize or smaller blocks.




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Re: Saving files of one folder in another partition, but without changing the path?

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 23:33:04 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Put simply, I have a program which saves data in a subdirectory of
> /var/lib/. The problem is double:
> 
> 1. I can't modify the path where data are saved; 2. I'm lacking free
> space in /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/ because it is on an isolated
> partition (say hda2).
> 
> However, I have free space in /home/merciadriluca/, but this is on
> another partition (say hda1). How could I manage to save
> /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/* data at
> /home/merciadriluca/another_folder/ so that the program notices nothing?
> Symlink?

I'd say yes.

Something like:

***
mkdir /home/merciadriluca/destination_folder
ln -s /var/lib/linked_folder /home/merciadriluca/destination_folder
***

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Re: Saving files of one folder in another partition, but without changing the path?

[Axel Freyn]

Hi,
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 11:33:04PM +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Put simply, I have a program which saves data in a subdirectory of
> /var/lib/. The problem is double:
>
> 1. I can't modify the path where data are saved;
> 2. I'm lacking free space in /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/ because
> it is on an isolated partition (say hda2).
>
> However, I have free space in /home/merciadriluca/, but this is on
> another partition (say hda1). How could I manage to save
> /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/* data at
> /home/merciadriluca/another_folder/ so that the program notices
> nothing?
> Symlink?

Symlink is one possibility:
ln -s /home/merciadriluca/another_folder
/var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/
will create a link "/var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/" which points to
/home/merciadriluca/another_folder" (before, you have to remove
/var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/)

Another possibility would be to bind-mount the directories:
(both directories have to exist, /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/should
be empty)
mount -o bind /home/merciadriluca/another_folder
/var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/
Then, you can access the same data in both directories -- they are
stored on the device of /home/merciadriluca/another_folder

HTH,

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Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping

[Stephen Powell]

On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 06:31:59 -0400 (EDT), Tomasz Maluszycki wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT), lee  wrote:
>>
>> Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf:
>>
>>
>> Section "InputDevice"
>>    Identifier     "Keyboard0"
>>    Driver         "kbd"
>>    Option         "XKBOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
>>    Option         "XkbModel" "pc102"
>>    Option         "XkbLayout"   "de"
>> EndSection
>>
>>
>> I was lucky that the keyboard settings in KDE use setxkbmap with some
>> options when you enable keyboard layouts. That helped me to find out
>> that there's no 'Option "XkbVariant" "de"'. Once I got a good setting
>> playing around with that, I used 'xmodmap -pke' to create a keymap
>> which I edited to change the layout the way I wanted it. It's being
>> loaded from my ~/.xinitrc now.
>
> For multilingual settings I'm using US Layout, and I have additional option in
> 
> Section "InputDevice"
>  Identifier "Keyboard0"
>  Driver "kbd"
>  Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
>  Option "XkbLayout"   "us"
>  Option"XkbOptions" "compose:lwin"
> EndSection
> 
> It works just fine, considering that I've laptop without 104 keys. And
> I can write
> in every Latin based alphabet. And I have to write in polish. Here is table 
> for
> of compose keys: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html
> On wiki you can (?) read about it. Though if you have to write only in German
> "de" layout should suffice.
> 
> May The Source be with you.

I don't know what model of laptop you have, but most laptops have a way
to emulate the numeric keypad keys and therefore emulate a standard
keyboard layout.  See, for example, the section titled
"Configuring the X Server" on this web page for the IBM ThinkPad 600:

   http://www.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/tp600.htm

In this case, the internal keyboard of the IBM ThinkPad 600, which
physically has only 85 keys, can emulate a pc101 keyboard, which has
101 keys.  (The differences between a 101-key keyboard and a 104-key
keyboard are the two logo keys and the menu key which were introduced
for the benefit of that ubiquitous operating system which must not
be named.)  If your laptop does not have or cannot emulate those keys,
as is the case for the IBM ThinkPad 600, then you should define the
keyboard as pc101.

Switching from the X console to a text console with Ctrl+Alt+Fx (x=1-6)
or zapping the X server with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace do not require the use
of emulated keys, but changing resolutions with Ctrl+Alt+Numplus or
Ctrl+Alt+Numminus, where Numplus and Numminus are the + and - keys on
the numeric keypad, respectively, do require making use of the emulated
keys.

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Saving files of one folder in another partition, but without changing the path?

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

Put simply, I have a program which saves data in a subdirectory of
/var/lib/. The problem is double:

1. I can't modify the path where data are saved;
2. I'm lacking free space in /var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/ because
it is on an isolated partition (say hda2).

However, I have free space in /home/merciadriluca/, but this is on
another partition (say hda1). How could I manage to save
/var/lib/the_concerned_subfolder/* data at
/home/merciadriluca/another_folder/ so that the program notices nothing?
Symlink?

Thanks.

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Re: OTF conversion without OpenOffice

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 11:19:29AM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:48:49 -0400, brownh wrote:
> 
> > I received a .docx file appended in an e-mail, and need to extract and
> > convert it to a convenient format such as .html, .pdf, or plain .txt.
> 
> (...)
> 
> If it's a simple file (just plain text) you can extract (unzip) the .docx 
> into *.xml data for a direct view or convert into another suitable format.

Here's a simple script I used with older versions of OpenOffice. Haven't
tested it for quite some time:

http://tzafrir.org.il/ooo_viewer/

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Re: TP-LINK TM-IP5600 With Hylafax

[Eric KOM]

> On 07/03/2010 12:22 PM, Eric KOM wrote:
>> The external modem don't have the driver for linux.
>> http://www.tp-link.com/in/products/productDetails.asp?class=&content=fea&pmodel=TM-EC5658V
>> May be, I will try with PCI?
>>
>
> External modems do not need drivers. That's why they are so useful under
> Linux: you just plug them to a serial port and it works.

Thanks for your help.
I know how to process now.

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Re: [SOLVED] switching to console and zapping

[Tomasz Maluszycki]

> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT), lee  wrote:

>
> Well, I changed the keyboard setting in xorg.conf:
>
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>    Identifier     "Keyboard0"
>    Driver         "kbd"
>    Option         "XKBOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
>    Option         "XkbModel" "pc102"
>    Option         "XkbLayout"   "de"
> EndSection
>
>
> I was lucky that the keyboard settings in KDE use setxkbmap with some
> options when you enable keyboard layouts. That helped me to find out
> that there's no 'Option "XkbVariant" "de"'. Once I got a good setting
> playing around with that, I used 'xmodmap -pke' to create a keymap
> which I edited to change the layout the way I wanted it. It's being
> loaded from my ~/.xinitrc now.

For multilingual settings I'm using US Layout, and I have additional option in

Section "InputDevice"
 Identifier "Keyboard0"
 Driver "kbd"
 Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
 Option "XkbLayout"   "us"
 Option"XkbOptions" "compose:lwin"
  EndSection

It works just fine, considering that I've laptop without 104 keys. And
I can write
in every Latin based alphabet. And I have to write in polish. Here is table for
of compose keys: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html
On wiki you can (?) read about it. Though if you have to write only in German
"de" layout should suffice.

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Re: After installation, my P2 is still unable to launch Debian

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:09:41 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> Console gives you the ability to gather data from logs and it also says
>> (or points that) the problem could be on the GUI environment or X
>> server.
>>   
> I know. But what do you think that I could try to -maybe- guess what (or
> where) the problem is? It looks like clearly related to the X server,
> but a cat of /var/log/messages gives nothing interesting. :-(

I think "/var/log/messages" does not contain useful information for this 
purpose. In Debian, you have to look into "/var/log/syslog" and for 
errors related to DE, "~/.xsession-errors".

But I've already seen that the problem was you had not DE at all :-)

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Re: J-Pilot and Handspring Visor

[Florian Kulzer]

[ Please wrap your lines at 72 characters for readability. ]

On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 19:34:04 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:

[...]

> The visor is a great, but ancient device and the docs talk about using
> a "fairly new kernel, like  2.4.17".  I am using 2.6.32 from backports
> and I have done 'modprobe visor' to load the module, but neither
> /dev/pilot, not /dev/ttyUSB1 are being created by udev.  I have the
> Vendor and Product IDs from dmesg.

Then why did you not include this information in your mail?

> How do I set up udev to create /dev/pilot when the hotsync button on
> the cradle is pressed?

The first step is to check if your combination of USB vendor and USB
device ID is listed in one of the alias lines of "modinfo visor". Udev
tricks will most likely be useless if the kernel module does not
recognize your device as being supported.

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Logitech MX 5500 Keyboard + mouse problem since recent squeeze upgrade

[Mark Fletcher]

I am running amd64 squeeze on an Intel Core i7 920-based machine with
8GB RAM. I built the machine about a year ago and have been running
squeeze on it since.

I use a Logitech ("Logicool") MX5500 wireless keyboard and mouse combo. 

For about the last month or so I hadn't updated packages -- not for any
particular reason, just hadn't gotten around to it. The other day I did
-- and now my keyboard is not working.

The keyboard and mouse work fine in Windows (on another machine). The
keyboard also is working as the machine is switched on as I can use it
to select boot kernel in GRUB. It's once Debian starts booting that it
breaks.

This is exactly the same symptom I observed a few months ago when the
upgrade from udev 151-1 to 151-3 or something introduced a mod
to /lib/udev/rules.d/70-hid2hci.rules which was supposed to fix a udev
bug but broke a lot of people's keyboards in the process. I successfully
applied the manual fix for that at the time and have since allowed udev
to upgrade naturally with no subsequent problems.

So naturally, the first place I looked was udev. I note udev is now at
version 157, so I wondered if it was broken again. There don't seem to
be any bugs to this effect logged, so I thought I'd give udev from sid a
go since it doesn't seem to introduce any dependency problems.
Installing sid's udev (v158) did not fix it.

I have googled around for this and don't see anything newer than the
last flurry on this subject a few months ago as referenced above. It's
almost like no one else is having this problem... :-(

I noticed that the kernel has also been upgraded to 2.6.32-5-amd64, so I
rebooted and selected the old kernel (2.6.32-3-amd64) and that did not
help either. 

Is anyone else experiencing similar problems? Any advice? I am not sure
what other information I should provide that would help diagnose the
problem... Right now I am having to use this
easily-most-powerful-machine-in-my-network via ssh only from other
machines as I don't have a spare keyboard and mouse to switch to it.
Really want to get this machine fully back on its feet ASAP so any help
appreciated...

Thanks

Mark


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Re: vbox loop in aptitude

[Andrei Popescu]

On Vi, 02 iul 10, 17:04:48, Paul Scott wrote:
> Debian sid:
> 
> There are several vbox packages available for update.  When I choose
> any one of those to update in aptitude I get what seems to be an
> unending loop while aptitude attempts to resolve the dependencies.

Please post the output of 'aptitude full-upgrade'

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Re: Misleading Debian's installer choice

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sb, 03 iul 10, 11:35:05, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> >   
> Okay. So, good news. The fact is that the installer first lets you do
> something, and then prevents you from doing this. Weird, but, at least,
> the problems which could arise if such choices were accepted, won't arise.

It actually makes sense if you consider one might be playing around with 
the mountpoints.

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Re: CUPS: why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'?

[John]

On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Merciadri Luca
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For a printer, why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'? If I
> understand it well, `Media Source' specifies where the paper to print on
> is. (Or how could the paper be in the CD or DVD tray?)
>

Some inkjet printers (such as some of the Epson Stylus line) can print
on a CD or DVD.  Perhaps recent drivers for certain printer models
have taken this into account?

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Re: CUPS: why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'?

[Wolodja Wentland]

On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 09:52 +0200, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 22:21 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> > For a printer, why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'? If I
> > understand it well, `Media Source' specifies where the paper to print on
> > is. (Or how could the paper be in the CD or DVD tray?)
> 
> Where are you seeing this? I checked a CUPS server nearby and was unable
> to find such an option (which, admittedly, might be due to an incomplete
> search).

Yeah, it was due to an incomplete search. (Should have used A* with a
good heuristic). Your assumption that "Media Source" specifies the paper
source used by default and I am not sure why you are offered "CD/DVD
tray". Which printer model are we talking about? Can you provide the PPD
you are using?

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Re: CUPS: why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'?

[Wolodja Wentland]

On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 22:21 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> For a printer, why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'? If I
> understand it well, `Media Source' specifies where the paper to print on
> is. (Or how could the paper be in the CD or DVD tray?)

Where are you seeing this? I checked a CUPS server nearby and was unable
to find such an option (which, admittedly, might be due to an incomplete
search).

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CUPS: why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'?

[Merciadri Luca]

Hi,

For a printer, why can `Media Source' be `CD or DVD tray'? If I
understand it well, `Media Source' specifies where the paper to print on
is. (Or how could the paper be in the CD or DVD tray?)

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