Re: weird - rsync get removed from system. presumably after last update?

[Juan R. de Silva]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 08:43:10 +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> 
>> . . .
>> error code 127. I run my script manually and get the same. `which
>> rsync` returned nothing. Then I opened Symantec and to my astonishment
>> found that rsync is present but is not installed (?!!!). . . .
> 
>What do you mean by "present but not installed" ? 

I've meant to say that the package was listed in Synaptic but it's status 
was "not installed".

> Did you look at /var/log/dpkg.log?

No trace...

>You should find there what happened to your  rsync package. I suggest
>trying:
>apt-get --reinstall install rsync

Done. The question is how it happened it's gone without my attendance?



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Re: weird - rsync get removed from system. presumably after last update?

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Juan R. de Silva wrote:


. . .
error code 127. I run my script manually and get the same. `which rsync`
returned nothing. Then I opened Symantec and to my astonishment found
that rsync is present but is not installed (?!!!).
. . .


  What do you mean by "present but not installed" ?
  Did you look at /var/log/dpkg.log?
  You should find there what happened to your  rsync package.
  I suggest trying:
  apt-get --reinstall install rsync

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Re: audio through HDMI on a IDT 92HD71B sound card

[Yuwen Dai]

Hello Liam,

I got little information about HDMI on an E6400. I saw a person using HDMI
and sound on an E6500 successfully, and the sound card is not IDT 92HD71B.

Best regards,
Yuwen

Re: weird - rsync get removed from system. presumably after last update?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 15:54, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:16:02 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> 
>> I run rsync on headless web and mail servers as well as desktops. None
>> of them lost rsync (none of them run Symantec).
> 
> I meant Synaptic. Sorry for a typo.
> 
> I used Symantec last time probably in Windows 95 or 98. But somehow until 
> today I quite often mistype it for Synaptic. Very persistent 
> infection. :-)

:-D

> 
>> 90 packages!
>> Do your have "everything" installed? ;-p
> 
> Well, I have a default Squeeze install here, whatever comes with it.
> 
> However now the size of update I've mentioned worries me. I actually was 
> surprised by the size of the update at the time it appeared too. 
> 
>> None of mine/ours received that many packages in the last point release.
>> Perhaps you had not been regularly upgrading prior to the 6.0.2 release?
> 
> My Update Manager is set up to update daily, and so it does. One more 
> point to be worried for me.

No reason to be concerned just yet.

>  
>> Do you mean just "rsync", the daemon, or some sort of gui for it?
> 
> No, I do not use gui. But neither I use a daemon. I usually just install 
> rsync on my workstation and then run via cron my own script for daily 
> backup and once a couple of weeks I run manually another script. Both 
> scripts just invoke rsync. I do a snapshot like backup with rsync.
> 
>> Have you tried re-installing rsync using apt? Any interesting messages?
> 
> Yes, I re-install rsync but did not see anything unusual.
> 
>> Please post the output of:-
>> $ dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall
> 
> http://www.pastie.org/2143341

Nothing in that list that I'd expect would pull off rsync with it. My
only thought are that maybe something like deborphan/foster/bleachbit or
similar "may" have removed it as unneeded... which would be a worry.

> 
>> and your cron log
> 
> Last day I have a good backup 
> 
> http://www.pastie.org/2143359
> 
> Then following 2 days when backup failed due to rsync was mysteriously 
> removed:
> 
> http://www.pastie.org/2143354
> http://www.pastie.org/2143375

I'd expect that (no rsync, no backup).

> 
> Nothing special.
> 
>> plus any relevant messages in /var/log 
> 
> Nothing relevant AFAICS.
> 
>> Also check your system for unread system mail.
> 
> There is mail reporting cron job failed starting 2 days ago and this from 
> rkhunter:
> 
> http://www.pastie.org/2143404

rkhunter - McAfee for Linux :-(

To check:-
cat /bin/netstat | strings | grep "/dev/caca"

> 
> rkhunter seem to be known false positives, unless I'm mistaken.

Aah - I'd add rkhunter to possible causes of the removal of rysync..
If you had logging enabled - take a look at /var/log/rkhunter.log

eg:-
cat /var/log/rkhunter.log | grep rsync

> 
> Well, I start thinking about reinstall. I do not like mysteries. :-(

Probably best to solve this mystery before re-installing.
NOTE: this is when remote logging and tripwire is handy.

> 
> And thanks for your reply.
> 

Cheers

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Re: Debian 6 causes my SunFire T2000 system to not boot

[Mahesh T Pai]

Scott Simpson  writes:

 > I'm getting the following problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/
 > bugreport.cgi?bug=609466
>
 > However, if I boot with "Linux video=atyfb:off" as suggested in the link it
 > still doesn't work. It always hangs at the boot line

I do not have Sparc systems, but going through the bug report thread
suggests that you may succeed if you use a later CD image. 

Have you tried with weekly / daily build images? 


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Re: weird dhclient problem

[Juan Sierra Pons]

2011/6/30 wolf python london :
> Hey all,
>
>    I recently upgrade my Wheezy and Sid box, and find a weird problem about
>    dhclient(package:isc-dhcp-client ).
>
>    My boxes are in an intranet (my campus),so I want to access the stuff
>    in the intranet (ftp and http). The intranet has its own dhcp server,
>    so we can get an ip and netmask by dhclient. In my squeeze box ,
>    $dhclient eth0
>    is fine , I can then acess the ftp and http servers in the intranet.
>    But in my Wheezy and Sid boxes, it's sucks. Here is my
>    /etc/network/interfaces:
>
>    wolf@wheezy:~$ cat /etc/network/interfaces
>    # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
>    # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
>
>    # The loopback network interface
>    auto lo
>    iface lo inet loopback
>
>    # The primary network interface
>    allow-hotplug eth0
>    #NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp
>
>    iface dsl-provider inet ppp
>    pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
>    provider dsl-provider
>    iface eth0 inet dhcp
>
>    As you can see, the last line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" means I can
>    get an ip via ifupdown and still use the dhcp to configure eth0.
>    #ifdown eth0;ifup eth0
>    Ok, its fine,ping other hosts(for example 10.20.79.1) in the
> intranet is ok .
>    I paste the process here (http://pastie.org/2142558)
>    I cannot figure it out why the dhclient command failed though it
>    actually get and ip and netmask and the route are even the same, while
>    ifupdown is ok  ?
>
>
>    thanks all!
>
>
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Hi,

Do you have NetworkManager installed? if so please de-install it as it
has weird behaviour some times. :-(

Can you provide the arp (arp -a) table too in both cases. Like you did
in http://pastie.org/2142558

But I think the real problem is that the right lines in your
/etc/network/interfaces must look like:
# The primary network interface
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

Please add the "auto eth0" line

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Re: How to get the stable iso for lenny

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 15:25, JD wrote:
> On 06/29/2011 10:35 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 30/06/11 14:56, brijesh singh wrote:
>>> Hello Everybody,
>>>
>>> Good Morning !!
>>>
>>> For validation of a product we were looking for lenny version of Debian
>>> for desktop.
>>> Please could any of you help me to get the valid mirror location where I
>>> can get the lenny (iso/source) for i386 platform?
>>>
>>> Thanks and Regards
>>> -Brijesh
>> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/i386/
>>
>> Cheers
>>
> There are 4 DVD iso's there:
> debian-508-i386-DVD-1.iso19-Feb-2011 16:22  4.4G
> debian-508-i386-DVD-2.iso19-Feb-2011 16:25  4.4G
> debian-508-i386-DVD-3.iso19-Feb-2011 16:28  4.4G
> debian-508-i386-DVD-4.iso19-Feb-2011 16:32  4.4G
> debian-508-i386-DVD-5.iso19-Feb-2011 16:33  1.0G
> 
> Are these all installation iso's or are they sources as well?
> 
> 

You have posted that email to me only. Sending this reply to the list.

They are the installation isos. The last DVD is usually just updates.

I don't know if they also contain the source code.
Others on the list can advice.
Perhaps?:-
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/source/iso-dvd/

I recommend any installation be done from a netinstall or business card
cd - they download only the required packages from the repository rather
than all 17GB.
DVDs and CDs get read errors - repositories don't. Lenny isn't about to
vanish any-time soon.
There are plenty of instructions should you wish to create a local
repository mirror.

Cheers

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Re: Headless Install Debian Squeeze

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 13:04, Martin McCormick wrote:
>   It used to be that one got the installation program to
> run through a serial port by a command like
> 
> linux console=ttySx,9600n8p
> 
>   I downloaded the new Debian 6 iso image from Debian.org
> and am trying to install it over a serial console which is one
> of the things that computer users who are blind can do
> if you already have one or more computers that talk.
> 
>   It appears that the procedure to start the serial
> console has changed.
> 
>   Can I boot the CDROM in serial console mode as before?
> 
>   I do have a local keyboard connected to the target
> system and the installation process usually goes easily enough
> once one gets the serial communications going.
> 
>   Thank you.
> 
> 
It's possible you are having problems because of the gui install screen
- you can disable it so that it will take cli parameters by arrow down
OR
Hit esc during the initial boot - before the gui splash screen loads.
Then issue the command:-
install console=ttySx,9600n8p
OR
expert console=ttySx,9600n8p


You can also expand the install options to:-
install vga=normal fb=false console=ttySx,9600n8p

If using ssh it's probably best to use a pre-seed file.

Cheers

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Re: weird - rsync get removed from system. presumably after last update?

[Juan R. de Silva]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 14:16:02 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:

> I run rsync on headless web and mail servers as well as desktops. None
> of them lost rsync (none of them run Symantec).

I meant Synaptic. Sorry for a typo.

I used Symantec last time probably in Windows 95 or 98. But somehow until 
today I quite often mistype it for Synaptic. Very persistent 
infection. :-)

> 90 packages!
> Do your have "everything" installed? ;-p

Well, I have a default Squeeze install here, whatever comes with it.

However now the size of update I've mentioned worries me. I actually was 
surprised by the size of the update at the time it appeared too. 

> None of mine/ours received that many packages in the last point release.
> Perhaps you had not been regularly upgrading prior to the 6.0.2 release?

My Update Manager is set up to update daily, and so it does. One more 
point to be worried for me.
 
> Do you mean just "rsync", the daemon, or some sort of gui for it?

No, I do not use gui. But neither I use a daemon. I usually just install 
rsync on my workstation and then run via cron my own script for daily 
backup and once a couple of weeks I run manually another script. Both 
scripts just invoke rsync. I do a snapshot like backup with rsync.

> Have you tried re-installing rsync using apt? Any interesting messages?

Yes, I re-install rsync but did not see anything unusual.

> Please post the output of:-
> $ dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall

http://www.pastie.org/2143341

> and your cron log

Last day I have a good backup 

http://www.pastie.org/2143359

Then following 2 days when backup failed due to rsync was mysteriously 
removed:

http://www.pastie.org/2143354
http://www.pastie.org/2143375

Nothing special.

> plus any relevant messages in /var/log 

Nothing relevant AFAICS.

> Also check your system for unread system mail.

There is mail reporting cron job failed starting 2 days ago and this from 
rkhunter:

http://www.pastie.org/2143404

rkhunter seem to be known false positives, unless I'm mistaken.

Well, I start thinking about reinstall. I do not like mysteries. :-(

And thanks for your reply.



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Debian 6 causes my SunFire T2000 system to not boot

[Scott Simpson]

I'm getting the following problem: 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609466

However, if I boot with "Linux video=atyfb:off" as suggested in the link it 
still doesn't work. It always hangs at the boot line
 console [tty0] enabled, bootconsole disabled

and nothing responds. My SunFire T2000 went from working under Debian 5 to 
completely dead under Debian 6.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: How to get the stable iso for lenny

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 14:56, brijesh singh wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
>  
> Good Morning !!
>  
> For validation of a product we were looking for lenny version of Debian
> for desktop.
> Please could any of you help me to get the valid mirror location where I
> can get the lenny (iso/source) for i386 platform?
>  
> Thanks and Regards
> -Brijesh

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/i386/

Cheers

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Re: Squeeze: How to hide certain partitions in Nautilus

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 14:36, Hoang Le wrote:
> Dear Scott,
> 


> 
> Best regards,
> Hoang Le
> 


Dear Hoang Le,
  please don't top-post. It limits the number of emails I
can read. See:- http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html#ss2.3

I don't have Nautilus to experiment with - and I'm speculating that you
are referring to the "places" part of Nautilus - which refers to
available file systems, not necessarily mounted. Further, your fstab
doesn't mention those two partitions you want hid - so either udev is
creating those entries, or something like NTFS utils is. I suspect the
former.

So I'm "assuming" there are at least two approaches to a solution:-
1. modify the udev rule (are you comfortable with editing udev rules?)

2. create mount points in /mnt, add entries to fstab with noauto that
mount those partitions beneath /mnt.

NOTE: I don't know what those partitions are formatted as, I "assume"
it's ntfs and/or FAT32 - so I can't advise what you should put instead
of "unknown_filesystem" and "unknown_options" in the example below. If
you don't know the file systems or the appropriate options - post the
output of:-
# fdisk -l
If one or more of /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 are ntfs formatted - please also
post the output of:-
# dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall | grep ntfs

Example for approach 2:-
# cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak
# mkdir /mnt/sda1 /mnt/sda2
# rm /etc/fstab; nano /etc/fstab
and paste following into the blank fstab, then save it.
===
proc  /proc proc defaults 0 0
UUID=73b82a95-b080-4088-9c3d-1ff8445b2f68 /  ext4errors=remount-ro 0   1
UUID=54330dab-8d32-4c99-a068-3bcb04f01b61 none  swapsw   0   0
/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 unknown_filesystem unknown_options,noauto 0 1
/dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2 unknown_filesystem unknown_options,noauto 0 1
===
# mount -a

Open Nautilus and see if those pesky drives are still showing.

Cheers

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Re: audio through HDMI on a IDT 92HD71B sound card

[William Hopkins]

On 06/30/11 at 09:58am, Yuwen Dai wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I have a Dell Latitude E6400 laptop, which has a Displayport.  I tried to
> connect the laptop with a Sony TV with a HDMI port. So I bought a
> Displayport-HDMI converter from Dell.  When I play a movie using mplayer,
> the video is OK on TV, but without sound on TV.  The sound is still played
> by the Laptop.   I doubt the sound card driver doesn't support HDMI, this is
> the result of `aplay -l':
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
>   Subdevices: 0/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> 
> This is the result of `aplay -L':
> null
> Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
> default:CARD=Intel
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> Default Audio Device
> front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> Front speakers
> surround40:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
> surround41:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
> surround50:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
> surround51:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
> surround71:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
> 
> It seems no digit device.  I tried both in Debian stable and testing.  The
> version of kernel in testing is 2.6.38, alsa is 1.0.23.  Any suggestion?

Please disregard my last message as I must be blind and missed you provided -L
and -l. Haha!

Yes, looks like you've got no digital devices. Try installing the latest Alsa.

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Re: audio through HDMI on a IDT 92HD71B sound card

[William Hopkins]

On 06/30/11 at 09:58am, Yuwen Dai wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I have a Dell Latitude E6400 laptop, which has a Displayport.  I tried to
> connect the laptop with a Sony TV with a HDMI port. So I bought a
> Displayport-HDMI converter from Dell.  When I play a movie using mplayer,
> the video is OK on TV, but without sound on TV.  The sound is still played
> by the Laptop.   I doubt the sound card driver doesn't support HDMI, this is
> the result of `aplay -l':
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
>   Subdevices: 0/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> 
> This is the result of `aplay -L':
> null
> Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
> default:CARD=Intel
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> Default Audio Device
> front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> Front speakers
> surround40:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
> surround41:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
> surround50:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
> surround51:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
> surround71:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
> HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
> 7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers
> 
> It seems no digit device.  I tried both in Debian stable and testing.  The
> version of kernel in testing is 2.6.38, alsa is 1.0.23.  Any suggestion?

That looks like the output of aplay -L, not aplay -l. Try aplay -L (capital L)
and let's see what you've got.

You can try removing alsa packages and installing from source, on rare
occasions this works if you have a new chipset. What does google return about
Alsa/Linux on an E6400?

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How to get the stable iso for lenny

[brijesh singh]

Hello Everybody,

Good Morning !!

For validation of a product we were looking for lenny version of Debian for
desktop.
Please could any of you help me to get the valid mirror location where I can
get the lenny (iso/source) for i386 platform?

Thanks and Regards
-Brijesh

Problem with autojump script - unsupported pickle protocol - Debian Testing

[Stephane Duchesne]

Dear all,

I'm running Debian Testing and I have a problem with a python script
called autojump:

#dpkg --info autojump_15-1_all.deb
#
#new debian package, version 2.0.
# size 11186 bytes: control archive= 928 bytes.
# 612 bytes,17 lines  control  
# 750 bytes,11 lines  md5sums  
# Package: autojump
# Version: 15-1
# Architecture: all
# Maintainer: Tanguy Ortolo 
# Installed-Size: 116
# Depends: python
# Enhances: bash, zsh, zsh-beta
# Section: shells
# Priority: optional
# Homepage: http://wiki.github.com/joelthelion/autojump/
# Description: shell extension to jump to frequently used directories
#  autojump provides is a faster way to navigate your filesystem, with a
#  "cd command that learns".
#  .
#  It works by maintaining a database of the directories you use the
#  most from
#  the command line, and allows you to "jump" to frequently used
#  directories by
#  typing only a small pattern.

It's a excellent piece of kit that has been saving me some time on other
distro's.

However, on Debian whenever I try to run it (or the command jumpstat),
it gives me this error:

#Traceback (most recent call last):
#  File "/usr/bin/autojump", line 236, in 
#success=shell_utility()
#  File "/usr/bin/autojump", line 157, in shell_utility
#path_dict = open_dic(dic_file)
#  File "/usr/bin/autojump", line 132, in open_dic
#path_dict = pickle.load(aj_file)
#ValueError: unsupported pickle protocol: 3

What I tried so far:

I got recommended a possible fix on the GitHub page: 
# 
https://github.com/int3/autojump/commit/5d949f4e8a23c937653917f2e6bde81f2402c29e

suggesting me to patch the script and force it to use pickle protocol 2
by

#-pickle.dump(path_dict, temp, -1)
#+pickle.dump(path_dict, temp, 2)

This did not work.  

I'm rather new to python and Debian and would like to know how to
proceed.
Does anybody experience the same problem or else could anybody point me
into the right direction?

Thank you,

Stephane



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Re: Headless Install Debian Squeeze

[William Hopkins]

On 06/29/11 at 10:04pm, Martin McCormick wrote:
>   It used to be that one got the installation program to
> run through a serial port by a command like
> 
> linux console=ttySx,9600n8p
> 
>   I downloaded the new Debian 6 iso image from Debian.org
> and am trying to install it over a serial console which is one
> of the things that computer users who are blind can do
> if you already have one or more computers that talk.
> 
>   It appears that the procedure to start the serial
> console has changed.

AFAIK, options passed to the debian installer are kernel options. I wasn't able
to find a source on the options the distributed D-I kernel was built with, but
I do know you can make a custom D-I disc with your own kernel, which you could
ensure does support serial consoles. I believe the relevant config is
CONFIG_SERIAL_CORE_CONSOLE.

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Info about PCMCIA Combo USB 2.0 & SATA CardBus,,Model: PPA 1158

[JD]

  
  
This pcmcia card has a couple
of bad raps from windows users.
I need this card for my laptop because I have an external HD
enclosure
with eSATA port and my laptop lacks USB 2.0 (has USB 1.1).
The manufacturer emailed me and claimed the card was tested
in kernel 2.6.32 and passed.
I am trying to get some info about other users who may have
used it in their laptops running any version of linux.

The card's web site is:
http://ppa-usa.com/computer-products/sata/pcmcia-combo-usb-2-0-and-sata-cardbus.html

Thanx!

JD


  
  



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Re: Squeeze: How to hide certain partitions in Nautilus

[Hoang Le]

Dear Scott,

Either hiding or disabling these partitions are okay. My 2 partitions that I
want to hide are /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 which are not declared in fstab
file.
Here is my fstab file

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
#
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
# / was on /dev/sda6 during installation
UUID=73b82a95-b080-4088-9c3d-1ff8445b2f68 /   ext4
 errors=remount-ro 0   1
# swap was on /dev/sda7 during installation
UUID=54330dab-8d32-4c99-a068-3bcb04f01b61 noneswapsw
 0   0

Best regards,
Hoang Le

When you say "hide" do you mean:-
>  "don't show me"
> OR
> "don't use them, so don't show me"??
>
> If you don't use them - just comment out the lines from /etc/fstab that
> mount them.
>
> Cheers
>
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> the loop.
> We are experiencing a reality based on a thin veneer of lies and illusions.
> A world where greed is our God and wisdom is sin, where division is key
> and unity is fantasy, where the ego-driven cleverness of the mind is
> praised, rather than the intelligence of the heart."
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Re: Squeeze: How to hide certain partitions in Nautilus

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 13:28, Hoang Le wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I would like to ask how to hide certain partitions in Nautilus because I
> actually don't use them.
> 
> My Nautilus side bar displays partitions such as "System Reserved" or
> "HP_TOOLS" which are never used. I tried some guides on the internet to
> modify fstab but it didn't work.
> 
> Thank you very much,
> Hoang Le

When you say "hide" do you mean:-
"don't show me"
OR
"don't use them, so don't show me"??

If you don't use them - just comment out the lines from /etc/fstab that
mount them.

Cheers

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the loop.
We are experiencing a reality based on a thin veneer of lies and illusions.
A world where greed is our God and wisdom is sin, where division is key
and unity is fantasy, where the ego-driven cleverness of the mind is
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Re: weird - rsync get removed from system. presumably after last update?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 11:11, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> I know it sound crazy, stupid but it happened and I must ask for help.
> 
> I use rsync for backup run by cron daily. I've been using it since fresh 
> install back in April, and since things worked as expected I stopped 
> watching it closely.
> 
> Today I discovered suddenly, cron log showing last backup failed with 
> error code 127. I run my script manually and get the same. `which rsync` 
> returned nothing. Then I opened Symantec and to my astonishment found 
> that rsync is present but is not installed (?!!!).
> 
> Well, to insure I'm not getting crazy (:->) I get to my backups and found 
> all of them in place nicely logged by rsync up to 2 days ago.
> 
> I'm not a Linux guru. But I'm not a complete novice either. I've been 
> using several distros for over 4 years for now and never experienced any 
> thing similar.
> 
> The only thing comes to my mind now is, exactly couple of days ago I get 
> a massive update notification (something over 90 packages) by Update 
> Manager. When I tried to Update Manager, it hanged up for ever. After 
> several attempts and even a reboot I realized Update Manager get broken 
> for some reason. I restarted in restore mode and completed update from 
> there. Things looked well after that.
> 
> Now I do not know what to think. May all described suggest my system was 
> compromised by a stranger "update"?  Has anybody ever experienced 
> anything similar?
> 
> Any suggestion/opinion would be highly appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
I run rsync on headless web and mail servers as well as desktops. None
of them lost rsync (none of them run Symantec).

90 packages!
Do your have "everything" installed? ;-p

None of mine/ours received that many packages in the last point release.
Perhaps you had not been regularly upgrading prior to the 6.0.2 release?

Do you mean just "rsync", the daemon, or some sort of gui for it?

Have you tried re-installing rsync using apt? Any interesting messages?

Please post the output of:-
$ dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall

and your cron log plus any relevant messages in /var/log
Also check your system for unread system mail.


Cheers

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and unity is fantasy, where the ego-driven cleverness of the mind is
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Re: Ethernet connection weirdly not working mornings

[John Magolske]

* Jörg-Volker Peetz  [110629 06:25]:
> Please show the output of the following commands when ordered in the morning
> session:
> 
> ls -lFa /etc/network /run
> df -k

% ls -lFa /etc/network/run
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2011-05-09 08:31 /etc/network/run -> /dev/shm/network/

% df -k
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda5271422932 148959344 108676100  58% /
udev   1497148 0   1497148   0% /dev
 
Regards,

John

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Re: Ethernet connection weirdly not working mornings

[John Magolske]

Thanks for the replies all. I feel the issue must have to do with how
this particular ThinkPad is set up, as my other Debian laptop has
no problem connecting via ethernet. And now the ethernet-challenged
machine is not connecting in the evening either (well, this evening
anyhow...), only the wifi connection works ATM.

* Brian  [110629 10:29]:
> On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 22:03:30 -0700, John Magolske wrote:
> 
> >   allow-hotplug eth0
> >   iface eth0 inet dhcp
> 
> This should bring up the interface and configure it when the machine is
> booted.
> 
> >   iface wlan0 inet dhcp
> >   pre-up wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -Dwext -B -c /home/john/.wpa_supplicant.conf
> >   post-down killall -q wpa_supplicant
> 
> This should not bring up the interface when the machine is booted.
> 
> What does happen on booting? 

Neither interface is brought up.

> The output of the command 'ifconfig -a' would be useful to see

% ifconfig -a
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr **:**:**:**:**:**
  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:35600 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:23582 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:41162613 (39.2 MiB)  TX bytes:1674330 (1.5 MiB)
  Interrupt:20 Memory:f260-f262

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:1394 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:1394 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:96020 (93.7 KiB)  TX bytes:96020 (93.7 KiB)

wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr **:**:**:**:**:**
  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:6194 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:6526 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:3346109 (3.1 MiB)  TX bytes:726467 (709.4 KiB)

> which card is in the machine. 'lspci' for that.

% lspci
[...]
00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network 
Connection (rev 03)
03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300

Regards,

John

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Re: Installing some packages needs not original DVD

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 05:06, Daniel Skowroński wrote:
> Becouse some computers doesn't have CD-ROM and without CD/DVD user can't
> continue installation. I found entries and deleted it. There shuld be
> way to skip CDs or DVDs on refresheng repos.
> 
> DS

There is (a way).
You did it (put a comment in front of the source line). :-)

While the "solution" might appear to be:-
1. identify install medium/source (fixed drive, removable drive, iso on
fixed drive, iso on removable drive, pxe, dvd/cd etc, etc, etc)
2. add install medium/source to sources.list
3. finish install and test for existence of install medium/source
4. if install medium/source still present - enable entry in sources.list
5

It doesn't allow for a myriad of other situations (eg. add online
repositories and custom local repositories to install source, build time
setup is only for build time).
So the most common source of install packages for the lowest skilled
installer is made the default.

Perhaps as well as an end of build instruction to remove the install
media before rebooting (for those that  reboot) could be accompanied by
instruction on how to comment out the DVD/CD source lines - but that
creates problems for the many that will want to use the original CD/DVD
as a source for additional package installs. I guess that's the very
small price we pay for a huge range of installation choices.

Cheers

P.S. While you're commenting out the install CD/DVD lines from
sources.list - presumably because you want to pull further packages from
somewhere else. If you're not going to build anything from source -
comment out the scr lines as well. It'll mean an update pulls down less
data.

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We are experiencing a reality based on a thin veneer of lies and illusions.
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and unity is fantasy, where the ego-driven cleverness of the mind is
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Re: KDE gtk Wheezy

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 04:09, Greg Raubenheimer wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I am running Wheezy with KDE.� I am trying to get GTK apps to look a bit
> better.
> 
> I have installed 'gtk2-engines-oxygen' and 'kde-config-gtk-style' and
> selected 'oxygen-gtk' as the widget style in the 'GTK+ Appearance' part
> of 'Application Appearance'.
> 
> There is no change though, what am I missing?
> 
> regards,
> Greg

Try logging out and back in.

Cheers

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the loop.
We are experiencing a reality based on a thin veneer of lies and illusions.
A world where greed is our God and wisdom is sin, where division is key
and unity is fantasy, where the ego-driven cleverness of the mind is
praised, rather than the intelligence of the heart."
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Re: Can't smoothly type in gnome-terminal

[Chris]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 09:59:55PM +1000, Ben Darby wrote:
> * Chris (bbsh...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > Hi, I'm a user of gnome-terminal. Currently the version is 3.0.1-1.
> > 
> > Now if I try to type any characters, I just get part of them typed
> > in. For example, if I type "ls", only "s" typed in. If I continuously
> > type "asdf", only "as" typed in. The result seemd to be random.
> > 
> > And the GUI changed. I'm not sure what style it is. Maybe it's some
> > old window style.
> > 
> > The problem is only in gnome-terminal. Now I'm using xterm, and it
> > works fine.
> 
> Had the same problem after yesterdays update from 2.x to 3.x, not sure
> what the issue was but a reboot fixed everything.
> 

The problem remains here. I had to downgrade to 2.x.


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Re: Debian safe-upgrade to 6.0.2 - don't run within X session

[Scott Ferguson]

On 30/06/11 02:41, D G Teed wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Scott Ferguson
>  > wrote:
> 

> Yes I believe it was during the configuration stage
> it had the X or gdm restart.�� One poster on here referenced
> a prompt asking whether it was OK to restart gdm.

Both gdm and kdm "should" save app states

> This isn't a production system so I wasn't paying careful
> attention to whether it asked about that.� I was working
> on something else in another window at the time.
> It may have warned gdm would be restarted and I just
> said go ahead without reading it - as it usually prompts for
> this for services impacted by for example pam updates
> and I'm never concerned about restarting those services.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't reproduce this and watch more carefully.

Which means I should have a good think about ways to set up logging of
peoples upgrade process (if they don't already exist).
I have a vested interest in Debian being a desktop in industry, and even
if you were the only person to experience a problem - the experience
would be instructive. It's good timing - I usually donate some time or
money to FOSS at the start of each financial year. Already got locking
out vt access as part of kiosk setting on the list.

> 
> Later when X was restarted and I redid aptitude safe-upgrade,
> it showed about a dozen packages awaiting configuration and
> another dozen or so to install.� I would have taken better notes
> if I thought this was a bug but I thought it was just me
> not taking the precautions I should.� All I have as a record
> is /var/log/aptitude and it doesn't show failures or aborts.

Do you have a list of the packages upgraded?

> 
> 
> Despite testing on a number of different Gnome and KDE desktops we saw
> no problems with the upgrade - with the exception of a lack of a hint in
> the Samba upgrade message on how to exit the message. Users were advised
> how to exit that screen.
> 
> 
> I did see the samba notification and read it.� I remember
> that happening.� Less is already known to me as the pager
> so no surprises there.

A surprising number of people got stuck because the samba message
"assumed" user's knew about less (and more). Though I'm not blaming the
samba crew, or the debian maintainers - it's clearly something I could
have fixed myself.

> 
> Yes, I was watching the list to see if anyone else was bitten and saw
> none.� Perhaps my system was an oddball.� It is an Atom 230
> based system.
> 

Shouldn't make a difference (in a perfect world).
Thanks for the additional info. One thought that occurs to me is - maybe
a mechanism to test the updated state of a system *before* applying a
point release might be useful - as point releases are normally tested on
fully upgraded systems.

Cheers

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No one is left out of the loop.
We are experiencing a reality based on a thin veneer of lies and illusions.
A world where greed is our God and wisdom is sin, where division is key
and unity is fantasy, where the ego-driven cleverness of the mind is
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Squeeze: How to hide certain partitions in Nautilus

[Hoang Le]

Dear all,

I would like to ask how to hide certain partitions in Nautilus because I
actually don't use them.

My Nautilus side bar displays partitions such as "System Reserved" or
"HP_TOOLS" which are never used. I tried some guides on the internet to
modify fstab but it didn't work.

Thank you very much,
Hoang Le

Headless Install Debian Squeeze

[Martin McCormick]

It used to be that one got the installation program to
run through a serial port by a command like

linux console=ttySx,9600n8p

I downloaded the new Debian 6 iso image from Debian.org
and am trying to install it over a serial console which is one
of the things that computer users who are blind can do
if you already have one or more computers that talk.

It appears that the procedure to start the serial
console has changed.

Can I boot the CDROM in serial console mode as before?

I do have a local keyboard connected to the target
system and the installation process usually goes easily enough
once one gets the serial communications going.

Thank you.


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audio through HDMI on a IDT 92HD71B sound card

[Yuwen Dai]

Dear all,

I have a Dell Latitude E6400 laptop, which has a Displayport.  I tried to
connect the laptop with a Sony TV with a HDMI port. So I bought a
Displayport-HDMI converter from Dell.  When I play a movie using mplayer,
the video is OK on TV, but without sound on TV.  The sound is still played
by the Laptop.   I doubt the sound card driver doesn't support HDMI, this is
the result of `aplay -l':
 List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
  Subdevices: 0/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

This is the result of `aplay -L':
null
Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture)
default:CARD=Intel
HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
Default Audio Device
front:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
Front speakers
surround40:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
4.0 Surround output to Front and Rear speakers
surround41:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
4.1 Surround output to Front, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround50:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
5.0 Surround output to Front, Center and Rear speakers
surround51:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers
surround71:CARD=Intel,DEV=0
HDA Intel, STAC92xx Analog
7.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Side, Rear and Woofer speakers

It seems no digit device.  I tried both in Debian stable and testing.  The
version of kernel in testing is 2.6.38, alsa is 1.0.23.  Any suggestion?

Best regards,
Yuwen

building emacs-24

[Harry Putnam]

I'd like to run and maintain my own version of emacs so am building
from tarball.

I'm hitting an error during ./configure about not having X:

configure: error: You seem to be running X, but no X development libraries
were found.  You should install the relevant development files for X
and for the toolkit you want, such as Gtk+, Lesstif or Motif.  Also make
sure you have development files for image handling, i.e.
tiff, gif, jpeg, png and xpm.

Which is the X devel pkg[s] and which to satisfy `image handling'?


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weird - rsync get removed from system. presumably after last update?

[Juan R. de Silva]

I know it sound crazy, stupid but it happened and I must ask for help.

I use rsync for backup run by cron daily. I've been using it since fresh 
install back in April, and since things worked as expected I stopped 
watching it closely.

Today I discovered suddenly, cron log showing last backup failed with 
error code 127. I run my script manually and get the same. `which rsync` 
returned nothing. Then I opened Symantec and to my astonishment found 
that rsync is present but is not installed (?!!!).

Well, to insure I'm not getting crazy (:->) I get to my backups and found 
all of them in place nicely logged by rsync up to 2 days ago.

I'm not a Linux guru. But I'm not a complete novice either. I've been 
using several distros for over 4 years for now and never experienced any 
thing similar.

The only thing comes to my mind now is, exactly couple of days ago I get 
a massive update notification (something over 90 packages) by Update 
Manager. When I tried to Update Manager, it hanged up for ever. After 
several attempts and even a reboot I realized Update Manager get broken 
for some reason. I restarted in restore mode and completed update from 
there. Things looked well after that.

Now I do not know what to think. May all described suggest my system was 
compromised by a stranger "update"?  Has anybody ever experienced 
anything similar?

Any suggestion/opinion would be highly appreciated.



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Re: Testing Netinst AMD64 CD fails to create MD devices for RAID1

[Marc D Ronell]

> "Camaleón" == Camaleón   writes:

Camaleón> On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:38:15 -0400, Marc D Ronell wrote:
>> There seems to be a bug with software RAID1 in the 06/21/2011
>> version of the Testing Netinst AMD64 CD image.  Separate
>> partitions can be linked to create the md devices, but then one
>> or the other of the two md devices fails after the initial sync
>> is attempted.  So the failure is occurring before the resulting
>> raid partitions are used.  They fail without being formated,
>> labeled, etc.  It is not possible to proceed with the rest of
>> the Debian installation.

Camaleón> (...)

>> Anyone have a good work around?

Camaleón> How about making the raid before installing Debian?

Camaleón> Or maybe trying with another netinst image? This one is
Camaleón> from 2011-06-25:

Camaleón> 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/

Camaleón> And this one uses sid's installer:

Camaleón> 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily.new/current/amd64/iso-cd/

Camaleon,

Thanks for the pointer to the image with the sid installer above. That
basically worked.  I found a couple of issues, I think, which might
be useful to change on the installer.  One is that the md devices took
a long time to sync as each was DELAYED.  Installing an internal
bitmap on each device sped up the sync process and allowed the devices
to be usable:

# mdadm -G /dev/md1 --bitmap=internal

After each md device synced, I installed the internal bitmap and that
might have helped to stabilize the devices.  From there I was able to
format the md devices with xfs.

A second  issue is  that the /etc/lilo.conf  file did not  specify the
initrd  image which  was  put in  the  /boot directory  by the  Debian
installer.  Once  that configuration line was added  to lilo.conf, the
boot loader installed and worked, the  only other issue was to be sure
that the  md device selected  for the lilo  install had to  be version
0.90 as opposed to version 1.2.

Hope that  helps someone  and thanks for  the suggestion of  using the
image with the sid installer.

Marc


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weird dhclient problem

[wolf python london]

Hey all,

I recently upgrade my Wheezy and Sid box, and find a weird problem about
dhclient(package:isc-dhcp-client ).

My boxes are in an intranet (my campus),so I want to access the stuff
in the intranet (ftp and http). The intranet has its own dhcp server,
so we can get an ip and netmask by dhclient. In my squeeze box ,
$dhclient eth0
is fine , I can then acess the ftp and http servers in the intranet.
But in my Wheezy and Sid boxes, it's sucks. Here is my
/etc/network/interfaces:

wolf@wheezy:~$ cat /etc/network/interfaces
# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
allow-hotplug eth0
#NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp

iface dsl-provider inet ppp
pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
provider dsl-provider
iface eth0 inet dhcp

As you can see, the last line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" means I can
get an ip via ifupdown and still use the dhcp to configure eth0.
#ifdown eth0;ifup eth0
Ok, its fine,ping other hosts(for example 10.20.79.1) in the
intranet is ok .
I paste the process here (http://pastie.org/2142558)
I cannot figure it out why the dhclient command failed though it
actually get and ip and netmask and the route are even the same, while
ifupdown is ok  ?


thanks all!


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Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Tom H]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Lisi  wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 June 2011 19:50:59 Tom H wrote:


>>> If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in
>>> Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i...

I definitely said the above. I didn't realize that this was what
Camaleon was referring to; sorry.


> LILO is being maintained again, so those of us who don't yet want to use GRUB
> 2 and are being firmly told that it is almost immoral to want easy access to
> GRUB 1 since it is not being maintained, will obviously have to use LILO. ;-)
>
> And yes, I would exepct to be able to get access to all three if the expert
> install is chosen.  Except...  Except that volunteers will do what they are
> happy to do.  And if you don't like what they do, you just have to do it for
> yourself or pay someone else to do it for you.
>
> So the argument that those who write the installer have a right to decide what
> they put in it is incontrovertible.  But the argument that newbies might have
> trouble with something is a poor excuse for not putting something in the
> expert install.

I don't think that anyone in this thread suggested that using grub1
and insisting on using grub1 is "almost immoral" but it's an
entertaining viewpoint! :)

Instead of looking at this from the perspective of a user who doesn't
want to change bootloaders and wants to have all possible options
available at install time and later, look at this from the perspective
of Debian as a project. Do you really want the grub maintainers to
split their time and energy between maintaining a bootloader that's
being actively developed and its previous iteration, which has been
EOL'd by upstream? Even though I prefer grub1's setup and consider it
more than good enough for my purposes, I'm glad that it's been dropped
from d-i (I doubt that the d-i developers took this decision without
consulting others, including the grub maintainers) and I look forward
to the time that grub1's removed from the repositories because that'll
show that the resources of Debian as a project are being well managed.

I don't use Debian on the desktop so I don't keep track of the
evolution of DEs, but there must've been a decision at some point to
drop KDE 3 and there'll be a decision at some point to drop GNOME 2.
It's normal to upgrade a distribution's components and follow in the
footsteps of upstream as long as stability isn't compromised (and it
isn't in grub2's case).


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Re: netstat performance

[Brian]

On Wed 29 Jun 2011 at 16:36:51 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:

> Agreed, I was just replying to your monoculture comment.. running a local
> recursive server is still a great idea (and thread contribution). Sorry if I
> implied otherwise!

I didn't take it that way. You made a fair technical point and I could
have made my recommendation without including a value judgement.


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Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?

[Jochen Schulz]

Camaleón:
> 
> I prefer installing from scratch, in-site upgrades is something I avoid 
> as much as I can :-)

Forget your experiences with SuSE. This is Debian. :)

(Disclaimer: I am still running one lenny system as well, but that's
mostly because I need to prod my hosting provider to install a new
kernel first. It's a Xen DomU.)

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Robert Holtzman]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 01:26:39PM -0500, John W Foster wrote:
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?
> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?
> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?
> 
> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.
> Any rational comments are appreciated.

If you have never looked at LibreOffice, what makes you think that your
OOo files won't work as is? If you would bother to look instead of drawing
an uninformed conclusion, you would find that the formats are identical.
That's why it's called "open format".

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Re: Installing some packages needs not original DVD

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 29 June 2011 20:06:04 Daniel Skowroński wrote:
> Becouse some computers doesn't have CD-ROM and without CD/DVD user can't
> continue installation. I found entries and deleted it. There shuld be way
> to skip CDs or DVDs on refresheng repos.

You could have commented out the entries, but instead deleted them.  That's 
fine too.  There is a way, and you found it. ;-)

Lisi




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Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 29 June 2011 19:50:59 Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Lisi  wrote:
> > On Wednesday 29 June 2011 15:55:58 Camaleón wrote:
> >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:02:53 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:40:15 Camaleón wrote:
> >> >> > If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in
> >> >> > Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i...
> >> >
> >> > So we'll all have to switch to Lilo, which is still maintained.  (Or
> >> > should I say again??)
> >>
> >> Care when quoting... that was not me ;-)
> >
> > Sorry, Camaleón, it indeed wasn't.  It was Tom H.  I apologise.  You
> > appear to me to be arguing on the same side as I am.
>
> I never mentioned LILO so it wasn't me either.

No, _I_ mentioned LILO.  You said:

> >> >> > If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in
> >> >> > Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i...
> >> >

And it was you who said it - it took me a while to thread back thro' the 
slightly complex trimming. 

LILO is being maintained again, so those of us who don't yet want to use GRUB 
2 and are being firmly told that it is almost immoral to want easy access to 
GRUB 1 since it is not being maintained, will obviously have to use LILO. ;-)

And yes, I would exepct to be able to get access to all three if the expert 
install is chosen.  Except...  Except that volunteers will do what they are 
happy to do.  And if you don't like what they do, you just have to do it for 
yourself or pay someone else to do it for you.

So the argument that those who write the installer have a right to decide what 
they put in it is incontrovertible.  But the argument that newbies might have 
trouble with something is a poor excuse for not putting something in the 
expert install.

Lisi


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Re: I have big problem choose corect distribution Debian

[lee]

Jochen Schulz  writes:

> lee:
>> Jochen Schulz  writes:
>> 
>> Would starting with a minimal installation and adding only the needed
>> packages later require much tweaking?
>
> I knew someone would ask that question. :) Ok, I'll bite.
>
> I'll try it using qemu. Wait a minute … The system is already swapping
> while d-i is running. :) And installation takes ages, even on a Core2Duo
> core at 2.4GHz and an Intel SSD. I didn't install any tasks, not even
> the "Standard system utilities".
>
> Result: installation size of 384MB and only 8MB of RAM in use! That's a
> lot less than I expected.

Yes, installing a minimal system doesn't need much disk space.  That it
would take long to install was to be expected.

> I still think it may be worthwhile to check out alternatives to Debian
> that use slimmer libraries and less dependencies.

It depends on what the OP wants to use his computer for.  With 56MB RAM
still free after the installation, he can do a lot of things.


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Borked FastCGI after [SECURITY] [DSA 2266-1] php5 security update

[Nuno Magalhães]

Hi,

I have a stable server with these packages:

ii  php5-cgi   5.3.3-7+squeeze3
server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (CGI binary)
ii  php5-common5.3.3-7+squeeze3
Common files for packages built from the php5 source
ii  php5-gd5.3.3-7+squeeze3 GD
module for php5
ii  php5-mysql 5.3.3-7+squeeze3
MySQL module for php5

If i'm not mistaken, all got updated (with aptitude update; aptitude
safe-upgrade) except php5-gd, however, after /etc/init.d/php5-fastcgi
restart all my php-based sites stopped working - simply because the
daemon silently failed to start.

In the php log i only had these:
[29-Jun-2011 23:07:59] PHP Warning:  Directive 'register_long_arrays'
is deprecated in PHP 5.3 and greater in Unknown on line 0
[29-Jun-2011 23:07:59] PHP Warning:  Directive 'magic_quotes_gpc' is
deprecated in PHP 5.3 and greater in Unknown on line 0
(one hour ahead of local and server time)

Issuing /etc/init.d/php5-fastcgi restart just did nothing, couldn't
grep any php through ps. No config files had been changed (and i
assume the update scripts would ask). After evoking the daemon
directly at the shell i got this error:

Host 'localhost' has multiple addresses. You must choose one explicitly!
Couldn't create FastCGI listen socket on port localhost:9000

In /etc/default/php-fastcgi i changed:
FCGI_HOST=localhost
to
FCGI_HOST=127.0.0.1

And /etc/init.d/php5-fastcgi start got my daemon and its children back up again.

I only have one public IP address and wouldn't bind to it anyway, so
is this error something i might've done ages ago and didn't bork then
'cos didn't restart the daemon? Or is it something else?

Cheers,
Nuno

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Re: booting from the other disk of a RAID-1

[lee]

Tom H  writes:

> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:36 AM, lee  wrote:
>> the mainboard and found out that I can boot from only one of the disks
>> in the RAID-1.  Booting from the other one put me into a blank screen,
>> without grub showing up.
>>
>> It doesn't work as it's supposed to.  How can I fix it?
>
> "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and choose both disks when asked about
> "grub install devices".

Thanks, that probably fixed it :)  Only one of the two disks in the
RAID-1 was selected for installing grub, and now I selected the other
one as well.  Next time I reboot, I can try it out ...


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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Joe]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:26:39 -0500
John W Foster  wrote:

> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?
> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?
> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?
> 
> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never
> even looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned
> that a large body of work covering several years will have to be
> 'ported' to a new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new
> stuff. Any rational comments are appreciated.
>

From Wiki:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice 

"On 28 September 2010, several members of the OpenOffice.org project
formed a new group called "The Document Foundation". The Document
Foundation created LibreOffice from their former project, over concerns
that Oracle Corporation would either discontinue OpenOffice.org, or
place restrictions on it as an open-source project, as it had
OpenSolaris.

"It was originally hoped that the LibreOffice name would be provisional,
as Oracle was invited to become a member of The Document Foundation.
Oracle rejected offers to donate the OpenOffice.org brand to the
project and demanded that all members of the OpenOffice.org
Community Council involved with The Document Foundation step down from
the OOo community council, citing a conflict of interest.

"The Go-oo project was discontinued in favour of LibreOffice.
Improvements made by the project are being merged into LibreOffice.
Improvements made in other forks are also expected to be incorporated
into LibreOffice. Other improvements being made is the use of
Java is being reduced to reduce any possible security issue and to
improve application stability.

"As a result of the fork of OpenOffice.org into LibreOffice, and the
resulting loss of developers, Oracle announced in April 2011 that it
was terminating the commercial development of OpenOffice.org."

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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Steven]

On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 13:26 -0500, John W Foster wrote: 
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

From what I read and heard, most distributions switched, or are in the
process of switching. It also appears most of the developers are behind
LibreOffice, which has gained quite a number of new developers, cleaning
up the code. You should read up on why LibreOffice has forked from
OpenOffice. A short history can be found on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice#History
But I'm sure others can give a much more detailed explanation.

> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?

It is my understanding that OpenOffice will still be supported (security
updates) for Debian stable (Lenny) until it is EOL. No new versions will
be introduced as these are replaced in Debian with LibreOffice

> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

It is supposed to be faster, has more bugs fixed, and so on. It also
appears to me much more active in development than OpenOffice.

> 
> These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
> looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.

I wouldn't worry to much about that, LibreOffice is effectively a fork
of OpenOffice.org, both go their separate ways from that point on, but
much will remain the same at first, such as the format in which
documents are saved. The user interface has changed a bit, but not
dramatically, I doubt it you'll see the difference at first, some
dialogs have changed a bit, but most people seem to agree that is for
the better. In my experience (I run Debian testing with LibreOffice) you
can see LibreOffice as a major upgrade of OpenOffice itself.

You don't need to worry about any existing documents, or learning a new
user interface.

As a user, you won't notice the difference at first (apart from the name
change), it appears as just a new version of your existing office suite,
getting faster, new features and it keeps improving.

> Any rational comments are appreciated.
> Thanks!
> Frosty
> 

Kind regards,
Steven



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Re: OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[Leandro DUTRA]

2011/6/29 John W Foster :
> 1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
> days ago?

Because the community has switched to LibreOffice.


> 2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?

Perhaps by Oracle, the Apache foundation, IBM or whomever may be
interestested, not by Debian, unless some maintainer decides it is worth his
while.


> 3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

Community, which translates into development, support and bug fixing critical
mass.

For now, this holds true, with LibreOffice developing faster, deeper
and better than OpenOffice.org since Oracle, after Sun, declined to fulfill
their promise of involving the community in the development of OpenOffice.org,
and furthermore declined to get involved in the community aroung the Document
foundation and LibreOffice.

In other words, the .org in OpenOffice is a sham, and has been exposed
as such by the Document foundation and LibreOffice.

I would add that copyleft also makes LibreOffice better, but that is
at least slightly more controversial.


> Now I'm concerned that a
> large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
> new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.

No, indeed LibreOffice inherits the same compatibility and data formats as
OpenOffice.org does, and the community which defined the ODF is behind
LibreOffice today, not OpenOffice.org.  Furthermore, the licensing model
behind both projects ensure it is easier for LibreOffice to follow
developments from OpenOffice.org than the reverse.


> Any rational comments are appreciated.

I hope I was rational, and clear, enough.


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Re: netstat performance

[William Hopkins]

On 06/29/11 at 08:44pm, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 29 Jun 2011 at 15:27:53 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:
> 
> > Monoculture is one thing, but that is not a comparable product. Unbound is 
> > for
> > recursive-only, so you can't have your own zone.
> 
> Within the context of the thread I thought it a good fit and worth a
> mention. 

Agreed, I was just replying to your monoculture comment.. running a local
recursive server is still a great idea (and thread contribution). Sorry if I
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Kmix and USB mic

[komodo]

Hi all

am i only one who have this problem ? I am only courious because there is no 
forums on the net to this problem. So there is question if is it only my 
problem or really some bug.


https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=276549

Many thanks

Martin


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Re: netstat performance

[Glenn English]

On Jun 29, 2011, at 1:27 PM, William Hopkins wrote:

> Also, the Debian package name for ISC BIND is bind9.

Good point, well taken. Oops...

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Re: netstat performance

[Brian]

On Wed 29 Jun 2011 at 15:27:53 -0400, William Hopkins wrote:

> Monoculture is one thing, but that is not a comparable product. Unbound is for
> recursive-only, so you can't have your own zone.

Within the context of the thread I thought it a good fit and worth a
mention. 


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OpenOffice vs LibreOffice Questions

[John W Foster]

1. Why is Debian switching to LibreOffice, per the posting I saw a few
days ago?
2. Is OpenOffice still going to be supported?
3. What makes LibreOffice better than OpenOffice?

These questions are not intended to start a flame war! I have never even
looked at LibreOffice, as I did not need to. Now I'm concerned that a
large body of work covering several years will have to be 'ported' to a
new format & that I will have to learn a lot of new stuff.
Any rational comments are appreciated.
Thanks!
Frosty


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Re: Ethernet connection weirdly not working mornings

[Pascal Hambourg]

Hello,

Enno Gröper a écrit :
> 
> Issuing
> tcpdump -i eth0 -s 0 -w 
> 
> before "ifup eth0"

will result in an error. tcpdump won't work if the interface is not UP.


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Re: netstat performance

[William Hopkins]

On 06/29/11 at 08:08pm, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 29 Jun 2011 at 12:22:26 -0600, Glenn English wrote:
> 
> > For a good time, 'apt-get install bind' :-)
> 
> For an even better time (and to escape the monoculture)
> 
>apt-get install unbound

Monoculture is one thing, but that is not a comparable product. Unbound is for
recursive-only, so you can't have your own zone.

Also, the Debian package name for ISC BIND is bind9.

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Re: netstat performance

[Brian]

On Wed 29 Jun 2011 at 12:22:26 -0600, Glenn English wrote:

> For a good time, 'apt-get install bind' :-)

For an even better time (and to escape the monoculture)

   apt-get install unbound

:-)


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Re: Re: Installing some packages needs not original DVD

[Daniel Skowroński]

Becouse some computers doesn't have CD-ROM and without CD/DVD user can't
continue installation. I found entries and deleted it. There shuld be way to
skip CDs or DVDs on refresheng repos.

DS

Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Tom H]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Lisi  wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 June 2011 15:55:58 Camaleón wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:02:53 +0100, Lisi wrote:
>> > On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:40:15 Camaleón wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in
>> >> > Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i...
>> >
>> > So we'll all have to switch to Lilo, which is still maintained.  (Or
>> > should I say again??)
>>
>> Care when quoting... that was not me ;-)
>
> Sorry, Camaleón, it indeed wasn't.  It was Tom H.  I apologise.  You appear to
> me to be arguing on the same side as I am.

I never mentioned LILO so it wasn't me either.


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Re: netstat performance

[Glenn English]

On Jun 29, 2011, at 11:51 AM, William Hopkins wrote:

> On 06/29/11 at 10:15am, ChadDavis wrote:
>> Not a big deal, but just made me think.  Surely the name resolution
>> isn't that costly is it?
> 
> Depends on latency and distance to your DNS server, how long it takes the DNS
> server to perform the recursive query or forward to a server which does,
> whether you have the answer cached locally or at any of the servers along the
> way, etc. So it can vary wildly.

Exactly. If you keep a well populated /etc/hosts, it'll be snappy as hail -- 
it's a disk hit (if your resolver is configured to go to hosts first, and you 
keep hosts updated). If your computer has to go to your ISP for cached info, 
that's a 'Net hit, and can take some time, depending on your latency and 
bandwidth. If your ISP doesn't have the lookup cached, there are several 'Net 
hits involved.

If you have a cacheing DNS server locally, you can save significant time on DNS 
lookups -- cached stuff is (best case) a RAM hit, worst case, Ethernet. 

For a good time, 'apt-get install bind' :-)

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Re: FiiO E7 USB headphone Amplifier -- no sound

[Celejar]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:56:35 -0700
John Magolske  wrote:

> I just bought a FiiO E7 USB headphone amplifier. I've read that it
> works fine under Linux [1], but have not had any luck getting sound
> out of it.
> 
> When running alsamixer I see "USB Audio DAC" come up when pressing
> the F6 "Select sound card". Selecting that and adjusting the volume
> accomplishes nothing...no sound out of the headphones pugged into the
> device (whereas the headphone jack on my x200s ThinkPad works fine).
> I've also unmuted everything in alsamixer.
> 
> Any suggestions regarding how to troubleshoot this?

As I understand it (and I'm no expert): when your ALSA system has
multiple sound devices, they'll all show up in the mixers, and
applications are free to choose any one they wish. I have no idea if
there's some way to set a system default (perhaps at the Desktop
Environment level?) - I've always just configured this on an
application by application basis. So using mplayer, I have these two
lines in my .mplayer/config:

#ao=alsa:device=hw=1
#mixer=/dev/mixer1

The internal sound card is hw=0 ; when my external USB sound device is
plugged in, I uncomment these lines, telling mplayer to use the
external device, and when it isn't, I comment them out, causing mplayer
to use the internal one. There certainly ought to be some more elegant
way to automate this, but as I said, I'm no expert.

The second line instructs mplayer to use the second mixer device (the
first is /dev/mixer), which corresponds to the external sound device.
Without this line, adjusting the volume in mplayer will send commands
to the default mixer, and the USB sound volume will remain untouched.
There certainly ought to be some way to link the device and mixer,
i.e., to instruct mplayer to automatically use the mixer that
corresponds to the selected sound device, but once again, I have no
idea how to do this.

Configuration instructions will presumably differ depending on your
sound application.

Hth,
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Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?

[Freeman]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 02:52:35PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:04:28 +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
> > Camaleón:
> 
> (...)
> 
> >>> Lenny will reach its EOL in January 2012.
> >> 
> >> Hey, but that was not my understanding for lenny. I know that was how
> >> it used to be but now aren't we based on a 2-year of release fixed
> >> cycle? :-?
> >> 
> >> http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729
> >> 
> >> In that announcement it can be read:
> 
> (...)
>  
> > Interesting, I don't remember that at all.
> 
> Before installing a system, I carefully read what is the estimated/
> foreseen EOL for it. It's a must for me because I have servers to 
> maintain and I can't go reinstalling every year.
> 
> > I can only speculate about this, but I don't think this announcement is
> > relevant any more. The document is from July 2009 and predicted/promised
> > a squeeze release in early 2010. For that case only the authors promised
> > that you could skip the squeeze release. What actually happened is that
> > it took another whole year to release squeeze.
> 
> Dunno, but I hope the commitment is still valid.
>  
> >> I understand this is not the norm, but an exception for lenny in order
> >> to accomodate to the new development cycle.
> > 
> > … which didn't happen.
> 
> Again, dunno. I only know what I've read at Debian official 
> announcements. Seems to me that we (we → Debian) have to improve our 
> communication skills >:-)
> 

I've always understood old stable support to last about a year following the 
new stable
release. But I've never read the official statement.

This chart shows support lasting slightly over a year on average. And it
correlates with my memory.  (Which isn't necessarily saying much.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Release_history

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Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?

[Freeman]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:59:44AM +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:51:28 -0700, Freeman wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 03:46:32PM +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> (...)
> 
> >> > Note you don't need to use squeeze-updates, so we are opting into
> >> > something which can be a little more bleeding edge.
> >> 
> >> Please, note that we are not talking about clamav database updates but
> >> the package itself. If the policy has changed, good and glad to know,
> >> but to be sincere, I'm not aware of that and would be nice if someone
> >> can point to it.
> >>  
> >>  
> > http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates
> > 
> >  . . . This path will be used for updates which many users may wish to
> >  install on their systems before the next point release is made, such as
> >  updates to virus scanners and timezone data.  All packages from
> >  squeeze-updates will be included in point releases.
> > 
> > However I take it you are drawing a distinction between security and
> > other updates. But would not that then concern debian-security rather
> > than squeeze-updates?
> 
> I only know how this went for lenny.
> 
> Lenny shipped with a clamav version (0.94) different than the one 
> available at lenny's volatile repo (0.97) and AFAICT, this was how it 
> worked: volatile repo was aimed to get upgrades for a small set of 
> packages that changed from time to time (like clamav, SA or tzdata) but 
> this upgrades were in paralel from the ones coming from stable branch, 
> that is, you can be running lenny with either clamav packages (stock 
> ones, 0.94 or volatile, 0.97).
> 
> Indeed, I asked the same question here not much ago:
> 
> ClamAV update to 0.97
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/02/msg01759.html
> 
> I'm still with lenny (now oldstable) but I was even told that not all 
> security flaws reached votatile, just some, depending of the nature of 
> the flaw...
> 
> And again, if this policy has recently changed is more than very welcome, 
> my clamav is also claiming for an update and oldstable is still supported.
> 

This flow chart should clear everything up nicely. ;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Debian-package-cycl.svg

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KDE gtk Wheezy

[Greg Raubenheimer]

Hi all

I am running Wheezy with KDE.  I am trying to get GTK apps to look a bit
better.

I have installed 'gtk2-engines-oxygen' and 'kde-config-gtk-style' and
selected 'oxygen-gtk' as the widget style in the 'GTK+ Appearance' part of
'Application Appearance'.

There is no change though, what am I missing?

regards,
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Re: netstat performance

[William Hopkins]

On 06/29/11 at 10:15am, ChadDavis wrote:
> I notice that the following two invocations of netstat have
> drastically different execution times:
> 
> netstat
> 
> netstat -n
> 
> 
> When you just use numerical addresses, it executes almost instantly,
> but with the domain names and whatever you call those logical names
> for the port numbers, such as 'www', it takes quite while ( 5-10
> seconds).
> 
> Not a big deal, but just made me think.  Surely the name resolution
> isn't that costly is it?

Depends on latency and distance to your DNS server, how long it takes the DNS
server to perform the recursive query or forward to a server which does,
whether you have the answer cached locally or at any of the servers along the
way, etc. So it can vary wildly.. 5 seconds seems high to me, it takes about 1
for me and I have a lot of active connections.

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Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:18:15 -0300, D G Teed wrote:

(please, avoid using html formatted e-mails)

> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Camaleón  wrote:

(...)

>> > I can only speculate about this, but I don't think this announcement
>> > is relevant any more. The document is from July 2009 and
>> > predicted/promised a squeeze release in early 2010. For that case
>> > only the authors promised that you could skip the squeeze release.
>> > What actually happened is that it took another whole year to release
>> > squeeze.
>>
>> Dunno, but I hope the comittment is stil valid.
>>
>>
> On the wiki for Lenny, it says it is one year supported before EOL after
> a new stable comes out was the norm but this could change...
> <%20http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny#Debian.2BAC8-Lenny_Life_cycle>
> 
> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny#Debian.2BAC8-Lenny_Life_cycle
> 
> That wiki was updated last on Feb 7, 2011.

***
(No official life cycle announced yet. Previous stable were targeted to 
be released every 18 months, A distribution used to be discontinued 1 
year after a new one is released... but things may change, see FAQ).
***

Anyway, wiki can be altered by anyone, I don't have it as a trusted 
source for such important announcements :-)

> You cannot skip a version in upgrades, but of course you could in
> re-installs.  A debian version doesn't have to be upgraded a major
> version every year - it is more like once every 2 or 3 years depending
> on the release times. 

I prefer installing from scratch, in-site upgrades is something I avoid 
as much as I can :-)

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Re: netstat performance

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:15:58 -0600, ChadDavis wrote:

> I notice that the following two invocations of netstat have drastically
> different execution times:
> 
> netstat
> 
> netstat -n
> 
> 
> When you just use numerical addresses, it executes almost instantly, but
> with the domain names and whatever you call those logical names for the
> port numbers, such as 'www', it takes quite while ( 5-10 seconds).
> 
> Not a big deal, but just made me think.  Surely the name resolution
> isn't that costly is it?

That's normal... yes, resolving names takes some time :-)

Another example:

sm01@stt008:~$ time /sbin/route
(...)

real0m5.018s
user0m0.000s
sys 0m0.000s

sm01@stt008:~$ time /sbin/route -n
(...)

real0m0.001s
user0m0.000s
sys 0m0.000s

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Re: Debian safe-upgrade to 6.0.2 - don't run within X session

[D G Teed]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Scott Ferguson <
prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Yes.
>
> You are the only person I'm aware of reporting an incomplete upgrade.
> (I've just checked again this morning)
>
> Are you absolutely certain the update of the xserver package caused your
> upgrade to fail??
>

Yes I believe it was during the configuration stage
it had the X or gdm restart.   One poster on here referenced
a prompt asking whether it was OK to restart gdm.
This isn't a production system so I wasn't paying careful
attention to whether it asked about that.  I was working
on something else in another window at the time.
It may have warned gdm would be restarted and I just
said go ahead without reading it - as it usually prompts for
this for services impacted by for example pam updates
and I'm never concerned about restarting those services.

Unfortunately I can't reproduce this and watch more carefully.

Later when X was restarted and I redid aptitude safe-upgrade,
it showed about a dozen packages awaiting configuration and
another dozen or so to install.  I would have taken better notes
if I thought this was a bug but I thought it was just me
not taking the precautions I should.  All I have as a record
is /var/log/aptitude and it doesn't show failures or aborts.


> Despite testing on a number of different Gnome and KDE desktops we saw
> no problems with the upgrade - with the exception of a lack of a hint in
> the Samba upgrade message on how to exit the message. Users were advised
> how to exit that screen.


I did see the samba notification and read it.  I remember
that happening.  Less is already known to me as the pager
so no surprises there.

Yes, I was watching the list to see if anyone else was bitten and saw none.
Perhaps my system was an oddball.  It is an Atom 230
based system.

Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?

[D G Teed]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Camaleón  wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:04:28 +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>
> > Camaleón:
>
> (...)
>
> >>> Lenny will reach its EOL in January 2012.
> >>
> >> Hey, but that was not my understanding for lenny. I know that was how
> >> it used to be but now aren't we based on a 2-year of release fixed
> >> cycle? :-?
> >>
> >> http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729
> >>
> >> In that announcement it can be read:
>
> (...)
>
> > Interesting, I don't remember that at all.
>
> Before installing a system, I carefully read what is the estimated/
> foreseen EOL for it. It's a must for me because I have servers to
> maintain and I can't go reinstalling every year.
>
> > I can only speculate about this, but I don't think this announcement is
> > relevant any more. The document is from July 2009 and predicted/promised
> > a squeeze release in early 2010. For that case only the authors promised
> > that you could skip the squeeze release. What actually happened is that
> > it took another whole year to release squeeze.
>
> Dunno, but I hope the comittment is stil valid.
>

On the wiki for Lenny, it says it is one year supported
before EOL after a new stable comes out was the norm but
this could change...
<%20http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny#Debian.2BAC8-Lenny_Life_cycle>

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny#Debian.2BAC8-Lenny_Life_cycle<%20http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny#Debian.2BAC8-Lenny_Life_cycle>

That wiki was updated last on Feb 7, 2011.

You cannot skip a version in upgrades, but of course
you could in re-installs.  A debian version doesn't have
to be upgraded a major version every year - it is more like
once every 2 or 3 years depending on the release times.

netstat performance

[ChadDavis]

I notice that the following two invocations of netstat have
drastically different execution times:

netstat

netstat -n


When you just use numerical addresses, it executes almost instantly,
but with the domain names and whatever you call those logical names
for the port numbers, such as 'www', it takes quite while ( 5-10
seconds).

Not a big deal, but just made me think.  Surely the name resolution
isn't that costly is it?


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Re: sed or awk: decode base64 string in passwd-like file

[Lorenzo Beretta]

Il 29/06/2011 16:50, Denny Schierz ha scritto:

hi,

I have a file with strings like:

tes...@domain.foo:e0NSWVBUfVUx=:500:12002::/imap/spool/domain.foo/%1n/%
n:storage=50

I need to decode the second field (password field), with something like:

echo e0NSWVBUfVUx= | openssl base64 -d

How can I do this with all other lines?

I have already a small awk script, that converts my ldapsearch output to
a Dovecot readable passwd file.

===
/^uid: / {uid=$2}
/^uid: / {uid=$2; u=tolower(substr(uid,1,1));}
/^postalAddress:/ {maildomain=$2}
/^myMailQuota/ {mailquota=$2}
/^userPassword/ {userpassword=$2}
/^dn/ {printf("%s@%s:%s:500:12002::/imap/spool/%s/%s/%s:storage=%s
\n",uid,maildomain,userpassword,maildomain,u,uid,mailquota)}
END {printf("%s@%s:%s:500:12002::/imap/spool/%s/%s/%s:storage=%s
\n",uid,maildomain,userpassword,maildomain,u,uid,mailquota)}


the third %s must be changed, means decoded from base64.

any suggestions?


try google's codesearch, you'll find tons of base64 decoders that you 
can easily translate into awk



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Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Lisi]

On Wednesday 29 June 2011 15:55:58 Camaleón wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:02:53 +0100, Lisi wrote:
> > On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:40:15 Camaleón wrote:
> >> > If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in
> >> > Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i...
> >
> > So we'll all have to switch to Lilo, which is still maintained.  (Or
> > should I say again??)
>
> Care when quoting... that was not me ;-)
>
> Greetings,
>
> --
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Sorry, Camaleón, it indeed wasn't.  It was Tom H.  I apologise.  You appear to 
me to be arguing on the same side as I am.

I _like_ tried and tested.  I _like_ stable.  I upgrade my workhorse when 
there is a good reason, and am rarely an early adopter.  Let other people 
iron the bugs out.  Where I want to follow something new (e.g. Trinity) I do 
it on a non-production machine.

GRUB 2 strikes me as great, except when it causes problems.  Too many people 
report unbootable systems with GRUB 2, and it seems to be difficult to edit.  
I would prefer to wait a little longer for it to settle down.

I dislike change for change's sake.  We have an ad running currently in this 
country that makes me want to throw something at the television every time I 
see it. :-(  

This woman is bullyied/manoeuvered/tricked into getting a new Windows computer 
which she needs, not because her old one has gracefully (or even less 
gracefully) died, not because she is about to shoot and edit a complex bit of 
cinematography and her computer isn't man [or woman, of course ;-)] enough, 
not because there is any problem at all, but because her computer is 8 years 
old.  There is nothing wrong with it.  It is 8 years old. So she needs a new 
computer.  Ouch :-(

My computer is seven years old.  It appears a little memory challenged at the 
moment.  I shall run memtest before I even think of upgrading the memory, 
since one of the sticks might be faulty.  I have had a cursory look at 
motherboards and motherboard bundles - but only briefly.

Lisi


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Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:02:53 +0100, Lisi wrote:

> On Tuesday 28 June 2011 19:40:15 Camaleón wrote:
>> > If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in
>> > Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i...
> 
> So we'll all have to switch to Lilo, which is still maintained.  (Or
> should I say again??)

Care when quoting... that was not me ;-)

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Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 15:04:28 +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:

> Camaleón:

(...)

>>> Lenny will reach its EOL in January 2012.
>> 
>> Hey, but that was not my understanding for lenny. I know that was how
>> it used to be but now aren't we based on a 2-year of release fixed
>> cycle? :-?
>> 
>> http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729
>> 
>> In that announcement it can be read:

(...)
 
> Interesting, I don't remember that at all.

Before installing a system, I carefully read what is the estimated/
foreseen EOL for it. It's a must for me because I have servers to 
maintain and I can't go reinstalling every year.

> I can only speculate about this, but I don't think this announcement is
> relevant any more. The document is from July 2009 and predicted/promised
> a squeeze release in early 2010. For that case only the authors promised
> that you could skip the squeeze release. What actually happened is that
> it took another whole year to release squeeze.

Dunno, but I hope the comittment is stil valid.
 
>> I understand this is not the norm, but an exception for lenny in order
>> to accomodate to the new development cycle.
> 
> … which didn't happen.

Again, dunno. I only know what I've read at Debian official 
announcements. Seems to me that we (we → Debian) have to improve our 
communication skills >:-)

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sed or awk: decode base64 string in passwd-like file

[Denny Schierz]

hi,

I have a file with strings like:

tes...@domain.foo:e0NSWVBUfVUx=:500:12002::/imap/spool/domain.foo/%1n/%
n:storage=50

I need to decode the second field (password field), with something like:

echo e0NSWVBUfVUx= | openssl base64 -d

How can I do this with all other lines?

I have already a small awk script, that converts my ldapsearch output to
a Dovecot readable passwd file.

===
/^uid: / {uid=$2}
/^uid: / {uid=$2; u=tolower(substr(uid,1,1));}
/^postalAddress:/ {maildomain=$2}
/^myMailQuota/ {mailquota=$2}
/^userPassword/ {userpassword=$2}
/^dn/ {printf("%s@%s:%s:500:12002::/imap/spool/%s/%s/%s:storage=%s
\n",uid,maildomain,userpassword,maildomain,u,uid,mailquota)}
END {printf("%s@%s:%s:500:12002::/imap/spool/%s/%s/%s:storage=%s
\n",uid,maildomain,userpassword,maildomain,u,uid,mailquota)}


the third %s must be changed, means decoded from base64.

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Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:00:00 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

> On Ma, 28 iun 11, 18:40:15, Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>> But the package is still available and thus, it can be installed and
>> thus, it has to be maintained (at least until wheezy becomes
>> unsupported).
> 
> "*has* to be maintained" or did you rather mean "should"?
> 
> 
> ,[ http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution ] |
> | 2.1. General rules
> |
> | 1. Nothing in this constitution imposes an obligation on anyone to do
> | work for the Project. A person who does not want to do a task which |
> has been delegated or assigned to them does not need to do it. [...]
> `

I can re-phrase it but I'm afraid the result won't be of your liking >:-)

"It has to be maintained until it gets oficially dropped" which is 
something I'm still not seeing to happen unless you point me to any 
statement on the matter which I'll be glad to read.

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Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 15:32:31 -0400, Tom H wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Camaleón  wrote:
>>>
>>> If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in
>>> Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i...
>>
>> Ha, how nice! >:-)
>>
>> But the package is still available and thus, it can be installed and
>> thus, it has to be maintained (at least until wheezy becomes
>> unsupported).
> 
> Some advice: like a political candidate coming to an election with a
> double-digit deficit in the polls has to get used to the idea of losing,
> you should get into the frame of mind that by the time Wheezy's
> released, grub1'll have been removed from the Debian repositories.

That would be a great loss :-(. In any case, I would like to see an 
oficial announcement somewhere.

> Regarding the rest of your email (that I've snipped out), I think that
> you're being very difficult regarding the configuration of grub2... :)

I can live with Grub2 or LILO or whatever bootloader (even NTLDR). What I 
hate is seeing users losing options.

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Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:30:17 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 18:40:15 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> But the package is still available and thus, it can be installed and
>> thus, it has to be maintained (at least until wheezy becomes
>> unsupported).
> 
> Maintained? Like chimera2.

Like the vast majority of software, that it may become mature for today 
standards but still useful for the users.

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Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:52:03 +0100, Brian wrote:

> On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 13:42:51 +, Camaleón wrote:
> 
>> How that can be?
>> 
>> GRUB legacy package is still available in Debian repos, is just the
>> installer that does not present the option to get it by default. And
>> being the expert installer, having both options would be more than
>> reasonable, IMO.
> 
> Reasonable? So you say to the user (who might be new to Debian) - here's
> a bit of decaying software. 

Oh, I love that biased double-moral >:-)

Let's see, are you calling "decaying software" to GRUB legacy? Okay, I'll 
take that. And do you think GNOME 2 falls also in such definition? You 
know, GNOME 3 is out and the old version is not going to be improved nor 
enhanced, right? GNOME devels are now focusing into the new baby. So 
should we still remove from the installer anything that smells "decaying"?

I don't think so. IMO, there has to be a smooth transtition. 

Squeeze offered both options, why don't keep it the same one release more 
to give users the time to get used it? Once GRUB legacy is going to be 
completely out (from upstream) it can be even removed from Debian 
repositories as happens with any unmaintained piece of software.

> It boots your machine. Or might not. Either way, we aren't going to put
> much effort into supporting it because nobody is really interested in
> maintaining it.

It is maintained, it's in the repos. So removing GRUB legacy from the 
installer is just a personal POV|lack of resources option. The latter is 
understandable but still a pity :-(

> And that is on a critical piece of infrastructure - the installer!

Yes, and for that same reason is very important to test the installer 
under several bootloaders. People using preseed will be able to get GRUB 
legacy and they shouldn't face any problem.

And don't forget Debian stable is the election for many users because it 
keeps older versions of the programs. Old, yes, but stable as a rock and 
well tested software.

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Re: Ethernet connection weirdly not working mornings

[Brian]

On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 22:03:30 -0700, John Magolske wrote:

>   allow-hotplug eth0
>   iface eth0 inet dhcp

This should bring up the interface and configure it when the machine is
booted.

>   iface wlan0 inet dhcp
>   pre-up wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -Dwext -B -c /home/john/.wpa_supplicant.conf
>   post-down killall -q wpa_supplicant

This should not bring up the interface when the machine is booted.

What does happen on booting? The output of the command 'ifconfig -a'
would be useful to see, While you are at it, We may as well know which
card is in the machine. 'lspci' for that.


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perl xs error: unknown type name ‘off64_t’

[Joao Ferreira Gmail]

Hello all,

I'm trying some SWIG examples to work with perl XS.

I got this error:

jmf@wheejy:~/tech/swig/aaa$ swig -perl5 example.i
jmf@wheejy:~/tech/swig/aaa$ 
jmf@wheejy:~/tech/swig/aaa$ gcc -c example.c example_wrap.c
-I /usr/lib/perl/5.12.3/CORE/
In file included from /usr/lib/perl/5.12.3/CORE/perl.h:4946:0,
 from example_wrap.c:731:
/usr/lib/perl/5.12.3/CORE/proto.h:692:47: error: unknown type name
‘off64_t’
/usr/lib/perl/5.12.3/CORE/proto.h:699:15: error: unknown type name
‘off64_t’
/usr/lib/perl/5.12.3/CORE/proto.h:699:51: error: unknown type name
‘off64_t’
/usr/lib/perl/5.12.3/CORE/proto.h:704:15: error: unknown type name
‘off64_t’
/usr/lib/perl/5.12.3/CORE/proto.h:6178:15: error: unknown type name
‘off64_t’
/usr/lib/perl/5.12.3/CORE/proto.h:6179:53: error: unknown type name
‘off64_t’
jmf@wheejy:~/xarmazem/tech/swig/aaa$ 

seems that off64_t is not being found by gcc ! or something similar ?

can anyone point me in the correct direction ?

Thank you.

Joao



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Re: apt packages available

[Brian]

On Wed 29 Jun 2011 at 15:23:11 +1000, Adrian Levi wrote:

> /etc/cron.weekly/man-db:
> warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 7270 package 
> 'virtualbox':
>  error in Version string '1.6.6-35336_Debian_lenny': invalid character
> in revision number
> 
> I have tried removing the available file in the hope that it would be
> regenerated. Virtualbox was added via a sources line to Sun's
> virtualbox repository. I no longer have that enabled and it isn't
> installed.

'apt-get update' regenerates it. 'dpkg --clear-avail' would have cleared
it.


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Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?

[Jochen Schulz]

Camaleón:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 00:07:23 +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> 
>> NACK. Security support for stable releases ends one year after stable+1:
>> 
>> http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan
>> 
>> Lenny will reach its EOL in January 2012.
> 
> Hey, but that was not my understanding for lenny. I know that was how it 
> used to be but now aren't we based on a 2-year of release fixed cycle? :-?
> 
> http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729
> 
> In that announcement it can be read:
> 
> "(...) Since Debian's last release happened on Feb. 14th 2009, there will 
> only be approximately a one year period until its next release, Debian 
> GNU/Linux 6.0 (codenamed "Squeeze"). This will be a one-time exception to 
> the two-year policy in order to get into the new time schedule. To 
> accommodate the needs of larger organisations and other users with a long 
> upgrade process, the Debian project commits to provide the possibility to 
> skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade straight from Debian GNU/
> Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (not yet codenamed)."

Interesting, I don't remember that at all.

I can only speculate about this, but I don't think this announcement is
relevant any more. The document is from July 2009 and predicted/promised
a squeeze release in early 2010. For that case only the authors promised
that you could skip the squeeze release. What actually happened is that
it took another whole year to release squeeze.

> I understand this is not the norm, but an exception for lenny in order to 
> accomodate to the new development cycle.

… which didn't happen.

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Re: Ripping CD

[Scott Ferguson]

On 29/06/11 21:58, Arno Schuring wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU (andreimpope...@gmail.com on 2011-06-27 11:00 +0300):
>> On Vi, 24 iun 11, 19:16:39, Dan wrote:
>>> EAC is what I have used to convert my CD collection to flac. It is
>>> worthy to use it. Unfortunately  it runs in windows :( I think you
>>> can run it with wine
>>
>> Sound nice, but I trust cdparanoia more ;)
> 
> While I have no problems with cdparanoia, it's worth pointing out that
> EAC uses subchannel data to detect/correct occasional jitter from
> misaligned reads. cdparanoia has its own jitter detection, but does not
> use the subchannel data. Arguably, EAC's method is more robust.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Arno
> 
> 

Do you mean that cdparanoia does not use sub channel data for jitter
detection??

It certainly reads sub channel data.

That's what CDROMSUBCHNL does.


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Re: Ripping CD

[Arno Schuring]

Andrei POPESCU (andreimpope...@gmail.com on 2011-06-27 11:00 +0300):
> On Vi, 24 iun 11, 19:16:39, Dan wrote:
> > EAC is what I have used to convert my CD collection to flac. It is
> > worthy to use it. Unfortunately  it runs in windows :( I think you
> > can run it with wine
> 
> Sound nice, but I trust cdparanoia more ;)

While I have no problems with cdparanoia, it's worth pointing out that
EAC uses subchannel data to detect/correct occasional jitter from
misaligned reads. cdparanoia has its own jitter detection, but does not
use the subchannel data. Arguably, EAC's method is more robust.


Regards,
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Re: My CD and DVD are messed up

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:23:21 +0100, Tom Furie wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 06:55:48PM +, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> Indeed, is not under any "/dev/disk/*" node. Udev creates a symbolic
>> link /dev/sdc* which points to /dev/sr*.
> 
> Are you sure it isn't under /dev/disk/by-path/?

Let me check it:

sm01@stt008:~$ ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/* | grep sr
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  9 jun 29 07:46 
/dev/disk/by-path/pci-:00:1f.2-scsi-5:0:0:0 -> ../../sr0

Ah, yes, there is! 

I completely by-passed this node. In my defense I'll say that I never 
use "by-path" O:-)

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Re: clamav 0.97.1 not coming to squeeze-updates ?

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 00:07:23 +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:

> Camaleón:
>> 
>> I will try to keep lenny until reaches its end of life, which should
>> happen when wheezy comes out.
> 
> NACK. Security support for stable releases ends one year after stable+1:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan
> 
> Lenny will reach its EOL in January 2012.

Hey, but that was not my understanding for lenny. I know that was how it 
used to be but now aren't we based on a 2-year of release fixed cycle? :-?

http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729

In that announcement it can be read:

"(...) Since Debian's last release happened on Feb. 14th 2009, there will 
only be approximately a one year period until its next release, Debian 
GNU/Linux 6.0 (codenamed "Squeeze"). This will be a one-time exception to 
the two-year policy in order to get into the new time schedule. To 
accommodate the needs of larger organisations and other users with a long 
upgrade process, the Debian project commits to provide the possibility to 
skip the upcoming release and do a skip-upgrade straight from Debian GNU/
Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") to Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (not yet codenamed)."

So it seems to be feasible an update from lenny to wheezy, or so it 
seemed to me after reading the aforementioned note :-)

I understand this is not the norm, but an exception for lenny in order to 
accomodate to the new development cycle.

>> Now I feel old.
> 
> I feel old because squeeze is the fifth Debian release I have used. 8-)

True is that Lenny is my first Debian but in the meantime I started to 
feeling older in openSUSE since 2003 ;-)

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Re: Can't smoothly type in gnome-terminal

[Ben Darby]

* Chris (bbsh...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Hi, I'm a user of gnome-terminal. Currently the version is 3.0.1-1.
> 
> Now if I try to type any characters, I just get part of them typed
> in. For example, if I type "ls", only "s" typed in. If I continuously
> type "asdf", only "as" typed in. The result seemd to be random.
> 
> And the GUI changed. I'm not sure what style it is. Maybe it's some
> old window style.
> 
> The problem is only in gnome-terminal. Now I'm using xterm, and it
> works fine.

Had the same problem after yesterdays update from 2.x to 3.x, not sure
what the issue was but a reboot fixed everything.

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Re: Can't smoothly type in gnome-terminal

[Camaleón]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:38:25 +0800, Chris wrote:

> Hi, I'm a user of gnome-terminal. Currently the version is 3.0.1-1.

Wow, are we already at there? I didn't notice :-O
 
> Now if I try to type any characters, I just get part of them typed in.
> For example, if I type "ls", only "s" typed in. If I continuously type
> "asdf", only "as" typed in. The result seemd to be random.
> 
> And the GUI changed. I'm not sure what style it is. Maybe it's some old
> window style.
> 
> The problem is only in gnome-terminal. Now I'm using xterm, and it works
> fine.

That hapenned to me yesterday, after updating my testing system. I had to 
restart the system and after that the typing issue went away though the 
bad style remains.

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Re: Ethernet connection weirdly not working mornings

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Please show the output of the following commands when ordered in the morning
session:

ls -lFa /etc/network /run
df -k

Maybe the link /etc/network/run is broken.

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Re: Ethernet connection weirdly not working mornings

[Scott Ferguson]

On 29/06/11 20:09, � wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Am 29.06.2011 07:03, schrieb John Magolske:
>> Since switching to a new machine and upgrading to the latest Sid, I've
>> been having some weird problems getting a wired connection to the net.
>>
>> Running `ifup eth0` brings up a net connection -- but not in the
>> morning for some reasontimes out with a "No DHCPOFFERS received"
>> message. Repeatedly. I've been trying this every day for over a week,
>> and like clockwork, morning = no connection, evening = connection.
>>
>> BUT, even though the ethernet connection doesn't work in the mornings,
>> `ifup wlan0` will bring up a wireless connection in the morning just
>> fine. This "I'm not a morning-type" ethernet is coming out of the very
>> same NETGEAR wifi router that successfully provides a wifi connection
>> any time of day.
>>
>> And when I try my old laptop (running a not-as-up-to-date Sid), it
>> works fine, gets that ethernet connection in the mornings every time.
> To bring light into this issue you shut sniff your ethernet traffic,
> when bringing your interface up.
> This could be done using wireshark or tcpdump.
> 
> Issuing
> tcpdump -i eth0 -s 0 -w 
> 
> before "ifup eth0", should give some valuable information.
> You can kill tcpdump (Ctrl+C) after the DHCP timeout.
> 
> If you can't interpret the resulting capture yourself, you could post it
> here.
> Then we should be able to see the communication between the dhcp server
> und your box.
> Of course looking into the server logfile would be a good alternative to
> this, but I suppose, that this isn't possible (with a reasonable amount
> of effort) for a dhcp server running on a wifi router box.
> 
> Another idea: Could there be some kind of child protection running on
> the wifi router preventing the access at some time interval for
> specified computers?
> 
> HTH,
> Enno
> 

Sounds like the DHCP server "could" have just run out of leases and
needs to wait until some expire (from last night). In which case shorten
the lease life and/or increase the number of available leases.
Login to your router and look at the DHCP server section for lease history.

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Re: Copying a bootable CD

[Martin McCormick]

William Hopkins writes:
> $ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=filename.iso bs=2048 conv=notrunc
> 
> then burn the ISO using your tool of choice (wodim, etc.)

This worked perfectly. Thank you.

Interestingly, I tried the dd command with the
parameters above and without and got the same bytes in the image
both times. The CDR works flawlessly.


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Re: Running Squeeze on a 2 GB usb stick?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 29/06/11 14:50, Mark wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Scott Ferguson
>  > wrote:
> 
> On 28/06/11 14:17, Mark wrote:
> > Hi - I have a work laptop with Windows and since it tracks basically
> > everything I do, I'd like to install Squeeze to a 2 GB usb stick I
> have
> > laying around so I can boot to that instead of the internal hdd for
> > personal use. I plan on doing the Expert Install and was wondering if
> > there is advice on recommended packages other than the base system for
> > my given circumstances? Here's what I was thinking of installing in
> > addition to the base system:
> >
> > -GParted
> > -gedit
> > -Iceweasel
> > -Synaptic Package Manager
> > -Update Manager
> > -Network Manager (or wicd)
> > -A few things under Preferences like Appearance, Screensaver, Power
> > Management
> >
> > Am I silly to think I'll be able to do this on 2 GB?� The laptop has 4
> > GB RAM so I'm not worried about swap space.
> >
> > Thank you for any input.
> >
> > Mark
> If you're willing to do a little work - then yes, under 1.2GB is
> possible. The trick is not to do the build/install on the USBkey (move
> it there after building and stripping).
> 
> You will have to sacrifice some unnecessary things on your wish list:-
> Synaptic (learn to use apt or aptitude)
> Update Manager (ditto)
> NetworkManager
> Screensavers and PowerManagement
> Any other "dancing bears"
> 
> Process:
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Thank you for so many good replies, especially Scott; I have some good
> links to read now.  I went through attempting the Expert installation
> and including a DE (Gnome) ruined it since that includes all the
> packages I wanted control over not installing with Gnome, but this is
> not allowed at time of installation.  Definitely the way to go is
> either: (1) install to a larger drive first (like others mentioned in
> this thread) and remove OOo and other space hogs I don't need before
> copying to the 2 GB stick, or (2) get a bigger usb drive.  I looked
> on-line and found a 16 gb for $18 so I'm going to go this route.
> 
> I managed to create a persistent Ubuntu installation on the 2 GB stick
> really quickly, so that will hold me over til the 16 GB arrives and also
> makes the 2 GB serve a good purpose for now.
> 
> Again thank you for all the helpful replies.
> 
> Mark


If you first enable the changes to apt so that "recommended" packages
are not automatically installed when you select a package, and installed
gnome using the suggested:-
# apt-get install gnome-core gdm (probably also need just xserver-xorg-core)

Then you'll have a minimal gnome install.

Using the suggested:-
# dpkg --get-selections | more
to find individual packages to remove can sometimes look like removing
one package is going to remove your entire DE... sometimes it will,
sometimes it won't.
If the results of:-
# apt-get -s remove this_package | more
gives a message "run autoremove" - the packages that apt is telling you
are no longer needed and will be removed with "apt-get autoremove" will
*still* work. It's just that they were originally installed as part of a
meta package.
eg. attempting to remove OpenOffice.org can look like it'll also remove
your entire DE - it won't. Don't worry.

Also note that even if it does - you've still got the original .deb
files you installed from in /var/apt/cache/archives - so reinstalling
requires no downloading (super fast). That's one of the reasons I
suggested working with a large drive and copying the trimmed install
when it's done (trimmed). Lot's of space.
Another advantage to trimming your USB DE to the smallest size possible
- is it's then possible to run it entirely in RAM for a very fast DE
(you can also set up a single file swap partition on the Windoof drive).

If - before you install or remove a package you use the -s flag and pipe
the output to a usefully named file in /root. You can then re-install
just the packages you need if required.
eg. you accidentally remove all of OpenOffice.org when you actually want
to keep Write.

In the latter case you probably should consider Abiword anyway ;-)

Make sure you use the noatime option for formatting the partition -
don't worry too much about disk writes to your USBkey - if it's recent,
quality USBkey the MTL will take care of drive levelling, the cheaper
MLCs are good for 10K writes, so even with a lot of disk writes I've
suffered no data losses in over 3 years of operation from one key.
For real world test data see:-
http://www.bress.net/blog/archives/114-How-Long-Does-a-Flash-Drive-Last.html
If you're really concerned - build your stripped down DE on a large
drive, convert it to a live cd:-
live helper (debian package) or
http://www.linux-live.org/?howtos
, and install the live cd to the USB key with Unetbootin (it's a Debian
package).

Cheers

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Re: Ethernet connection weirdly not working mornings

[Enno Gröper]

Hello,

Am 29.06.2011 07:03, schrieb John Magolske:
> Since switching to a new machine and upgrading to the latest Sid, I've
> been having some weird problems getting a wired connection to the net.
> 
> Running `ifup eth0` brings up a net connection -- but not in the
> morning for some reasontimes out with a "No DHCPOFFERS received"
> message. Repeatedly. I've been trying this every day for over a week,
> and like clockwork, morning = no connection, evening = connection.
> 
> BUT, even though the ethernet connection doesn't work in the mornings,
> `ifup wlan0` will bring up a wireless connection in the morning just
> fine. This "I'm not a morning-type" ethernet is coming out of the very
> same NETGEAR wifi router that successfully provides a wifi connection
> any time of day.
> 
> And when I try my old laptop (running a not-as-up-to-date Sid), it
> works fine, gets that ethernet connection in the mornings every time.
To bring light into this issue you shut sniff your ethernet traffic,
when bringing your interface up.
This could be done using wireshark or tcpdump.

Issuing
tcpdump -i eth0 -s 0 -w 

before "ifup eth0", should give some valuable information.
You can kill tcpdump (Ctrl+C) after the DHCP timeout.

If you can't interpret the resulting capture yourself, you could post it
here.
Then we should be able to see the communication between the dhcp server
und your box.
Of course looking into the server logfile would be a good alternative to
this, but I suppose, that this isn't possible (with a reasonable amount
of effort) for a dhcp server running on a wifi router box.

Another idea: Could there be some kind of child protection running on
the wifi router preventing the access at some time interval for
specified computers?

HTH,
Enno



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Re: nas with debian on pendrive

[Pol Hallen]

> http://www.debian-administration.org/article/A_transient_/var/log

thanks :-)
 
Pol


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rsnapshot and cron :-)

[Pol Hallen]

Hi folks

Using rsnapshot I've unsure about maintein my backup for almost 24 months:

in rsnapshot.conf I have:

intervalhourly  6
intervaldaily   7
intervalweekly  4
interval   monthly 24

(I hope that "interval monthly 24" is same of maintein my backup for 2 years

cat /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot

 0 */4  * * *   root/usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly
 30 3   * * *   root/usr/bin/rsnapshot daily
 0  3   * * 1   root/usr/bin/rsnapshot weekly
 30 2   1 * *   root/usr/bin/rsnapshot monthly
 
is it correct?

thanks for help!

Pol


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Re: help with virtualbox

[Joe]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:18:06 -0400
William Hopkins  wrote:

> On 06/28/11 at 08:58pm, Joe wrote:
>
> > 
> > The manual and web tutorials the OP found are probably all there is,
> ...
> > The OP describes them as 'introductory', but I think ...
> ...
> > Quite apart from the OP's particular problem ...
> 
> OP means 'original poster'; however, the person posting the initial
> problem (Kristoffer) and the person posting the tutorials (me) are
> two different people, so OP isn't appropriate for both (:
>
Yes, I was trying to keep attributions separate, possibly with better
results next time. Sorry.
 
> Thanks for the tip regarding virtualbox free, hopefully it is
> licensed properly and will make it down the line into Debian.
> 

You're welcome. I thought there must be something a bit more useful
than the version in Lenny, and tried the website. I was expecting some
awful compilation and was pleasantly surprised.

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Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 29/06/11 04:18, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 28 Jun 2011 at 13:22:56 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> 
>> The variables that can be set in "/etc/default/grub" are exported in
>> "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig" ("/etc/default/grub" is sourced by
>> "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig").
>>
>> Why they aren't listed in "/etc/default/grub" is anyone's guess.
> 
> Why guess?
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612538
> 
> 

to see which variables are set:-
$ grep "export GRUB_DEVICE" -A42 /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig
to create new ones just add them to grub-mkconfig

refs:info grub
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/06/msg02253.html

Cheers

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People come up to me and say, "What's wrong?"
Nothing.
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leave me alone?"
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Re: Can't smoothly type in gnome-terminal

[Mahesh T Pai]

Chris  writes:

 > Hi, I'm a user of gnome-terminal. Currently the version is 3.0.1-1.
>
 > Now if I try to type any characters, I just get part of them typed
 > in. For example, if I type "ls", only "s" typed in. If I continuously
 > type "asdf", only "as" typed in. The result seemd to be random.
>
 > And the GUI changed. I'm not sure what style it is. Maybe it's some
 > old window style.
>
 > The problem is only in gnome-terminal. Now I'm using xterm, and it
 > works fine.

No such problem here - I am however running sid + experimental; but same
gnome-terminal; and *not* the gnome-shell. 




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