Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 01/01/12 10:35, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Scott Ferguson >> wrote: >>> On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Hi: I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD program. �I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that Rosetta Stone is the best. > > >> At the product website, it says it >> runs on Windows AND Mac OS X, which (you may or may not know) is UN*X >> underneath, so there was at least a chance it might run on Linux, >> depending on what format the DVD uses. (And the audio is MP3.) > > DVD format is not the problem. > > Large chunks of OSX are based on NeXT/FreeBSD - so maybe, with some > work, it'll run on Debian KFreeBSD. I suspect Cocoa would need some > coaxing though. > I'm just guessing - but I'd suggest you don't buy the software on the > strength of OSX == Unix (a posix *certification*), therefore as Debian > == posix compliant == OSX software will run on it. I wasn't going to BUY it on that basis; I asked if anyone here had experience with it on that basis. And, obviously, I know that OS X software doesn't just "run" on Linux. I think you take me for an idiot; I'm not. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cajvvkspb6pft4zvnhzzkgr_kv1bn3cr8ifxqjmauwud8rnf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On 01/01/12 10:35, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: >> On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >>> Hi: >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone >>> language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD >>> program. �I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that >>> Rosetta Stone is the best. >>> > At the product website, it says it > runs on Windows AND Mac OS X, which (you may or may not know) is UN*X > underneath, so there was at least a chance it might run on Linux, > depending on what format the DVD uses. (And the audio is MP3.) DVD format is not the problem. Large chunks of OSX are based on NeXT/FreeBSD - so maybe, with some work, it'll run on Debian KFreeBSD. I suspect Cocoa would need some coaxing though. I'm just guessing - but I'd suggest you don't buy the software on the strength of OSX == Unix (a posix *certification*), therefore as Debian == posix compliant == OSX software will run on it. Reading the DVD shouldn't be a problem - AFAIK Debian Linux can read all the same DVD books as OSX and Windoof. Windoof might still have problems with Rockridge - Debian Linux doesn't. > > Thanks for the help, anyway. > > Patrick > > Almost certainly VirtualBox will allow you to run the software *within* Debian. Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4effdc44.3090...@gmail.com
Re: Generating Innovative Ideas
On 01/01/12 11:29, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 12/31/2011 6:12 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> Because these lists don't pre-screen posts. > > On the contrary. I stand corrected. Careless phrasing on my part - posts to these lists aren't reviewed by humans before publishing. This subject comes up frequently (sadly). Yes there are some very effective filters in place (they block approx 2.5K posts a day) - but the low ham blockage comes at a price well known to the companies that dwell at digitalg@ngster, w1ldfire and other "blackhat" Scum Of the Earth educational sites[*1]. So approx 10% of the new spam gets through - enough to make money for a few unscrupulous people. People should mark the spam[*2] as such - which *will* improve the filters, and notify Google/Bing/Yandex etc - which will, eventually, remove the financial incentive for spamming in the first place. If people don't want to buy Black Hat SEO services because it gets them penalised by the search engines, then the filters will only have to deal with the less motivated spammers. The search results will then be more relevant, and the lists will have a higher signal to noise ratio. Everybody worthwhile wins then. Cheers [*1] Neither of the sites (whose names I've slightly disguised) are purely for black hats - it's just where their main revenue comes from, and that their (private) forums are useful indicators of spamming trends. [*2] Online eg:-http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/12/msg01751.html and hit the button OR by bouncing it to:- report-lists...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4effc0da.3060...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 01/01/12 11:07, Lisi wrote: >> On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:52:56 Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if >>> it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly >>> suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and >>> find a Linux equivalent. >> >> Yes, I am not about to go out and buy it! But I am interested in computer >> landguage learning programs. Ever since my son (then aged 14 or 15 and now >> aged 42) wrote a program to help himself to learn French vocabulary for his >> GCE. He based it on an analysis of how I helped him, which he had found very >> effective. He then did several adaptations for other languages for his >> friends. >> >> >> Lisi >> >> > I can highly recommend the BBC courses as a start. Platform agnostic and > free:- > http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/french/ Thanks for that link; as an English expatriate, I should have thought of the BBC first! Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsPQKqiUvW2aodoOADAYfu0Vz+O3GGJimzkjzfyGC=v...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On 01/01/12 11:06, Don Juan wrote: > On 12/31/2011 03:52 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 01/01/12 10:21, Lisi wrote: >>> On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote: On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > Hi: > > I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone > language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD > program. I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that > Rosetta Stone is the best. > >>> >> According to the WINE database - the latest version is rated "garbage". >> >> If you want a review - I looked at an earlier version being used by a >> relative and agreed with her that it was not very good (very >> repetitive). Heavily advertised and expensive, and no where near as user >> friendly or useful as the free BBC program. >> >> Is that relevant given that a cursory search shows that the latest >> version will not run under WINE. > Not true :) Works great on my system with wine. I get the base free > through work and any language extensions. I just keep updating the > original install as they come out and have yet to run into any issues > with it under wine. Though I am on sid based off a net-install running > just openbox and run wine off the dev tree. > > RS-V.4 works though not all languages are to that version yet > RS-V.3 works and all languages are supported. Then please update the WINE database entry/ies:- http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=21655 NOTE: V3 is rated gold - it's the latest supported version that's rated "garbage". I've no idea if PlayOnLinux has a helper file for it. > >> >> >> >> Happy New Year > > Quality of the overall program, its OK, it is in relation to how you > learn I think. I would not say any of the ones I have completed have > made me 100% fluent but I did get a deeper grasp of the studied > languages. Some will find it works wonders others hate it due to their > teaching style. Just like every teaching method out there. > > > Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4effb641.4090...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On 01/01/12 11:07, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:52:56 Scott Ferguson wrote: >> I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if >> it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly >> suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and >> find a Linux equivalent. > > Yes, I am not about to go out and buy it! But I am interested in computer > landguage learning programs. Ever since my son (then aged 14 or 15 and now > aged 42) wrote a program to help himself to learn French vocabulary for his > GCE. He based it on an analysis of how I helped him, which he had found very > effective. He then did several adaptations for other languages for his > friends. > > > Lisi > > I can highly recommend the BBC courses as a start. Platform agnostic and free:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/french/ There are a number of Open Source Linux programs that can assist with learning French (and other foreign languages). Japanese is probably the most supported foreign language, but French is also available. It'd be nice if they had more users and development:- Anki - flash card system with downloadable language packs Mnemosyne - similar to Anki Verbiste - conjugation system There are a huge number of programs I haven't tried for memorization, dictionaries, grammar, even pronunciation - and a number of subtitle based video programs. Best (for me), but not remotely Debian/Linux are immersion labs. I won't promote them here but I've know several people who spoke very highly of a 2 week course in the Loire Valley. Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4effb230.1040...@gmail.com
Re: where did gmplayer go?
On 01/01/12 00:42, Steve Kleene wrote: > On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 01:34:52 + (UTC), I wrote: >>> Until recently, there was a file /usr/bin/gmplayer that was just a link to >>> /usr/bin/mplayer. > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:30:42 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> gmplayer and mplayer are different binaries. > >>From /usr/bin in a recent backup: > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root7 Jun 18 2011 gmplayer -> mplayer Interesting - I'm unable to reproduce that. The only reason I can think of (in 60 seconds) is that I'm not pulling mplayer or mplayer-gui from multimedia. > > Looks like they're the same binary to me (gmplayer being just a link to > mplayer). Perhaps you only have the mplayer-gui package installed - though if it's from the Debian repositories it doesn't explain the different package date. > Unless you consider a link to be a separate binary in itself. > No. :-) Perhaps this will make it a little easier to see:- Only "mplayer" installed (from Debian) scott@t22:~$ dpkg --get-selections | grep mplayer mplayer install scott@t22:~$ ls -sl /usr/bin | grep mplayer 4064 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4161172 Aug 2 2010 mplayer Only "mplayer-gui" installed (from Debian) scott@t60:~$ ls -sl /usr/bin | grep mplayer 4464 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4570264 Aug 2 2010 gmplayer 4064 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4161172 Aug 2 2010 mplayer scott@t60:~$ dpkg --get-selections | grep mplayer mplayer install mplayer-gui install mplayer-skin-blue install Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4effab2b.9010...@gmail.com
Re: Generating Innovative Ideas
On 12/31/2011 6:12 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > Because these lists don't pre-screen posts. On the contrary. You'd know this if you ever considered how much spam the list would receive if not for filtering, or, better yet, if you simply looked at the headers. For instance, the spam filter headers for your message I'm replying to here: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on liszt.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.8 required=4.0 tests=CAPINIT,IMPRONONCABLE_1, LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,MURPHY_WRONG_WORD2,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=failed version=3.2.5 X-Original-To: lists-debian-u...@liszt.debian.org Delivered-To: lists-debian-u...@liszt.debian.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by liszt.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898EA13A7FBD for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:13:15 + (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: at lists.debian.org with policy bank en-ht X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.81 tagged_above=-1 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.01, CAPINIT=3, IMPRONONCABLE_1=1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, MURPHY_WRONG_WORD2=0.2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] autolearn=no Received: from liszt.debian.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (lists.debian.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 2525) with ESMTP id CYw+46-4Hvtb for ; Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:13:08 + (UTC) X-policyd-weight: using cached result; rate:hard: -6.9 There are no less than 3 layers of spam checking for each message arriving at the list server. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4effa8e0.60...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Generating Innovative Ideas
On 01/01/12 04:47, Don Juan wrote: > On 12/30/2011 10:00 PM, Layna wrote: >> ADVANCED CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING >> Thursday, 16th February 2012, 9:00am - 5:00pm, Amara Singapore >> >> >> Yours sincerely, >> Layna O. Francisco >> Programme Coordinator >> Fortress Stupidity Pte Ltd >> 10 Anson Road >> #34-11 International Plaza >> Singapore 079903 >> Tel: (65) 6334 8311 >> Fax: (65) 6334 8511 >> www.fortrestupidity.con.sg >> >> > Why is there so much spam like this on these boards? I belong to a few > boards and only the Debian boards do I get spam on a daily basis being > sent to the message boards? > Because these lists don't pre-screen posts. Because these lists have more subscribers and re-publishers than any other lists. Because the people who post these messages aren't interested in advertising to you or I - they are SEO[*1] companies looking for (and getting[*2]) backlinks that they sell to their clients as a service that supposedly[*3] elevates their ranking in search results. Please don't repost their details - you only help them scam their clients and encourage them to spam the lists. They lower the value of the internet which is bad for everyone. [*1]in this case - Scum of the Earth Organisations [*2]until enough people contact Google, Yahoo, Bing, Yandex, and others and report them for spamming the lists. eg.:- https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreport?hl=en [*3]until Google penalises them for spamming and link farming - by relegating them off the first pages of search results. Happy New Year -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4effa508.2080...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:52:56 Scott Ferguson wrote: > I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if > it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly > suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and > find a Linux equivalent. Yes, I am not about to go out and buy it! But I am interested in computer landguage learning programs. Ever since my son (then aged 14 or 15 and now aged 42) wrote a program to help himself to learn French vocabulary for his GCE. He based it on an analysis of how I helped him, which he had found very effective. He then did several adaptations for other languages for his friends. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201201010007.21274.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On 12/31/2011 03:52 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 01/01/12 10:21, Lisi wrote: On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote: On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Hi: I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD program. I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that Rosetta Stone is the best. TIA Patrick Have you even tried the Google thingie?:- http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let you look that up yourself:- http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1867 Hint: Corkscrew Happy New Year, and good luck with studying -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ I think that you may have misunderstood Patrick, and be doing him an injustice. I think he was asking about people's experience of Rosetta Stone, not asking people to tell him how to find it. Google for "linux rosetta stone" and you get 283000+ results. I too would be interested to know how people have liked it - is it good, OK, effective, useless, etc.? I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and find a Linux equivalent. Lisi According to the WINE database - the latest version is rated "garbage". If you want a review - I looked at an earlier version being used by a relative and agreed with her that it was not very good (very repetitive). Heavily advertised and expensive, and no where near as user friendly or useful as the free BBC program. Is that relevant given that a cursory search shows that the latest version will not run under WINE. Not true :) Works great on my system with wine. I get the base free through work and any language extensions. I just keep updating the original install as they come out and have yet to run into any issues with it under wine. Though I am on sid based off a net-install running just openbox and run wine off the dev tree. RS-V.4 works though not all languages are to that version yet RS-V.3 works and all languages are supported. Happy New Year Quality of the overall program, its OK, it is in relation to how you learn I think. I would not say any of the ones I have completed have made me 100% fluent but I did get a deeper grasp of the studied languages. Some will find it works wonders others hate it due to their teaching style. Just like every teaching method out there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4effa37b.8040...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On 01/01/12 10:21, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >>> Hi: >>> >>> I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone >>> language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD >>> program. I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that >>> Rosetta Stone is the best. >>> >>> TIA >>> >>> Patrick >> >> Have you even tried the Google thingie?:- >> http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux >> >> The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so >> that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let >> you look that up yourself:- >> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1867 >> >> Hint: Corkscrew >> >> >> >> Happy New Year, and good luck with studying >> >> -- >> Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ > > I think that you may have misunderstood Patrick, and be doing him an > injustice. I think he was asking about people's experience of Rosetta Stone, > not asking people to tell him how to find it. Google for "linux rosetta stone" and you get 283000+ results. > > I too would be interested to know how people have liked it - is it good, OK, > effective, useless, etc.? I would hope the first thing you would do is a quick search to see if it's supported before asking if it's worth running. I strongly suspect/hope you'd also (if you didn't already speak French) try and find a Linux equivalent. > > Lisi > > According to the WINE database - the latest version is rated "garbage". If you want a review - I looked at an earlier version being used by a relative and agreed with her that it was not very good (very repetitive). Heavily advertised and expensive, and no where near as user friendly or useful as the free BBC program. Is that relevant given that a cursory search shows that the latest version will not run under WINE. Happy New Year -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4effa058.6040...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Lisi wrote: > On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >> > Hi: >> > >> > I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone >> > language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD >> > program. I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that >> > Rosetta Stone is the best. >> > >> > TIA >> > >> > Patrick >> >> Have you even tried the Google thingie?:- >> http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux >> >> The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so >> that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let >> you look that up yourself:- >> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1867 >> >> Hint: Corkscrew >> >> >> >> Happy New Year, and good luck with studying >> >> -- >> Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ > > I think that you may have misunderstood Patrick, and be doing him an > injustice. I think he was asking about people's experience of Rosetta Stone, > not asking people to tell him how to find it. That, too :) Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cajvvkspmztjtm+btvpvz2tgnepg2w+hxcoxvu-hy175fkkq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >> Hi: >> >> I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone >> language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD >> program. I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that >> Rosetta Stone is the best. >> >> TIA >> >> Patrick >> >> > Have you even tried the Google thingie?:- > http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux > > The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so > that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let > you look that up yourself:- > http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1867 Back off on the attitude, dude. At the product website, it says it runs on Windows AND Mac OS X, which (you may or may not know) is UN*X underneath, so there was at least a chance it might run on Linux, depending on what format the DVD uses. (And the audio is MP3.) Thanks for the help, anyway. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAJVvKsMb2dPZ-nhHST-6Ckpm_LpjbG=3ptfa-hzxb8xjddb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On Saturday 31 December 2011 23:12:03 Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > > Hi: > > > > I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone > > language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD > > program. I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that > > Rosetta Stone is the best. > > > > TIA > > > > Patrick > > Have you even tried the Google thingie?:- > http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux > > The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so > that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let > you look that up yourself:- > http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1867 > > Hint: Corkscrew > > > > Happy New Year, and good luck with studying > > -- > Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ I think that you may have misunderstood Patrick, and be doing him an injustice. I think he was asking about people's experience of Rosetta Stone, not asking people to tell him how to find it. I too would be interested to know how people have liked it - is it good, OK, effective, useless, etc.? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201112312321.51187.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On 01/01/12 07:16, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > Hi: > > I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone > language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD > program. I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that > Rosetta Stone is the best. > > TIA > > Patrick > > Have you even tried the Google thingie?:- http://www.google.com/search?q=rosetta+stone+linux The company that sells the product says it only runs on Windoof - so that leaves WINE. Rather than treat you as a total vegetable I'll let you look that up yourself:- http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1867 Hint: Corkscrew Happy New Year, and good luck with studying -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff96c3.5060...@gmail.com
Re: radeonhd removed from Testing ... in February, still gone?
>It looks like its supposed to be superseded by the radeon driver - have you >tried that? If it's superseded why is it in Sid? I have the radeon driver installed but it does not supply 3D acceleration (GLX) on this box. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111231230618.ga13...@panix.com
Re: SATA disk errors
On 12/31/2011 12:21 PM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Well, Stan, I did. Unfortunately I didn't understand the reports, which > contain a plethora of information, for which I haven't been able to > locate an authoritative explanation, but seem to indicate that the > drives are OK: /dev/sda > 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 243530983 > 7 Seek_Error_Rate 18363743 /dev/sdb > 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 138763088 > 7 Seek_Error_Rate 1374378 Interestingly, SMART says these two drives have been in service only 2.6 months: > 9 Power_On_Hours 1893 This indicates both drives are failing and should be replaced ASAP. Hi Seek_Error_Rate typically means the voice coil actuator assy is worn out. The arm has holes with sleeve bearings pressed into them which ride on a post screwed into the drive frame. The bearings wear over time, causing the actuator to wobble slightly on the post, eventually to a point past which the drive firmware can no longer compensate for the wobble. This causes the head to be misplaced over the platter. When this occurs you will see multiple head seek movements per read/write command. Thus, you should be seeing performance degradation as a result. Are you? Same parameters, 500GB WD Blue, in constant service for 2 years: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0 9 Power_On_Hours 17934 It's difficult to believe drives less than 3 months old have worn out spindle bearings. That would indicate the vendor supplied bearings were not mic'd properly before installation, meaning horrible QC. Seagate isn't known for horrible QC. Is your system in a high vibration environment? Are these drives mounted securely in the chassis? If the cause of the problem is not bad QC at Seagate, it's likely high external vibration being transferred into the drive chassis. Either way, these two drives are toast and need replacement. If the problem in the latter, make sure you properly, securely, mount the replacement drives. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff94e6.6040...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Mainboard for Debian stable
On 2011-12-29, Paul van der Vlis wrote: > > I want a network driver what's in Debian. In the past I had problems > with the Realtek 8111E what is in most motherboards today (in lspci this > is called "RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller > [10ec:8168] (rev 06)"). Does this work now with Debian 6.0.3? > I don't find anything about it in the release notes. > The network driver does not work correctly in debian squeeze (frequent periodic lost connections requiring restarting the network). This has been my experience with a quite recent netinstall of squeeze. The performance of the driver was bad enough that I felt compelled to install the proprietary driver provided by realtek (why the hell not?), which has functioned perfectly up till now (r8168). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjfv3s3.6dv.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: ip-tables resource temporarily unavailable
On 12/31/2011 11:38 AM, David Baron wrote: > On Friday 04 Tevet 5772 17:28:15 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org > wrote: >>> Get a slew of these immediately at bootup. >>> Afterwards, it works fine. >>> >>> >>> >>> What may be causing this? >> >> Why didn't you ask Google before asking here? It's not really fair to >> ask others to do your homework, given the information you seek is >> readily available via Google. 853,000 hits returned when searching your >> exact subject. And the answer you are looking for is within the >> articles linked on the first page of hits. > > I DID google it first. Use of flock in a certain script was suggested but I > never needed that before and do not know how to apply it on my system. > > It seems that if-up if being executed too soon. This was not a problem before. > > I do not know if placing flocks in every one of the if-up.d scripts is the > answer. How many rules? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff8c0e.80...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: [OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
On 12/31/2011 12:16 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Hi: I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD program. I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that Rosetta Stone is the best. TIA Patrick I have no issues with the current version under wine. I would assume the web based would be of no issue since its running through the browser but could be wrong, no experience with that end of it. But I have a few languages installed. Funny you say French a friend of mine was just asking the same question in regards to this and French. Good luck, if I had tips to offer I would but the install was simple and I had to do nothing extra or tweak to get it to work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff87b4.3060...@gmail.com
Re: mcedit copy to cooledit.clip
On 12/31/2011 04:26 PM, hvw59601 wrote: Wayne Topa wrote: On 12/31/2011 11:27 AM, hvw59601 wrote: Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:05:48 -0600, hvw59601 wrote: When mc runs in forked shell, like script, the ctrl-ins keys in mcedit to copy marked text to cooledit.clip doesn't work. Anybody knows why not? Could it be because of some sort of key binding problem within the terminal? I have tested mcedit (run inside "script" and also by direct call) on wheezy from gnome-terminal and xterm and "ctrl+ins" seems to do nothing but F3/F5 still does the mark/paste work :-? Right. F3/F5 still select/copy within the file, but ctrl-ins does not copy to cooledit.clip, it does nothing. In the man I find only that it is supposed to work, but the man is huge (3337 lines). This is not something new, I don't ever remember it working. I would like to know why. I had never used mcedit so tried it on Wheezy with version 3:4.7.0.9-2. I used mrxvt for the test. Used Ctrl-ins to copy a line then Shift-ins to paste it somewhere else. Works here as discribed in the man page. I thenm treid it in an xterm and it did not work. As mentioned in the man page these do not work in some terminals so they covered all the bases. Wayne, did you try ctrl-ins in mcedit under script on a vt? Not sure just what you mean by "under script on a vt" but I tried it in a console, as root, and in mrxvt and xterm as a user. Note: I don not care for gnome, at all, so do not have any gnome pgms installed other then some libs that, for some reason, needs them. Hope that answers your question. WT -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff87ab.8000...@gmail.com
Re: radeonhd removed from Testing ... in February, still gone?
On 01/01/12 10:29, Carl Fink wrote: > I hope everyone has a great new year. > > According to this page: > http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd.html > > the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd package was removed from Testing on February > 8, 2011 ... and never put back. Um, why? > > It's in Sid. > > It's in Stable. > > Why can't it be in Wheezy? > > I ask because, well, I have a Radeon RS690m in my netbook and currently > (since fglrx is broken for me) can't use accelerated video. For no visible > reason. It looks like its supposed to be superseded by the radeon driver - have you tried that? Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff8690.3080...@walnut.gen.nz
radeonhd removed from Testing ... in February, still gone?
I hope everyone has a great new year. According to this page: http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd.html the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd package was removed from Testing on February 8, 2011 ... and never put back. Um, why? It's in Sid. It's in Stable. Why can't it be in Wheezy? I ask because, well, I have a Radeon RS690m in my netbook and currently (since fglrx is broken for me) can't use accelerated video. For no visible reason. Thanks. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111231212908.ga7...@panix.com
Re: mcedit copy to cooledit.clip
Wayne Topa wrote: On 12/31/2011 11:27 AM, hvw59601 wrote: Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:05:48 -0600, hvw59601 wrote: When mc runs in forked shell, like script, the ctrl-ins keys in mcedit to copy marked text to cooledit.clip doesn't work. Anybody knows why not? Could it be because of some sort of key binding problem within the terminal? I have tested mcedit (run inside "script" and also by direct call) on wheezy from gnome-terminal and xterm and "ctrl+ins" seems to do nothing but F3/F5 still does the mark/paste work :-? Right. F3/F5 still select/copy within the file, but ctrl-ins does not copy to cooledit.clip, it does nothing. In the man I find only that it is supposed to work, but the man is huge (3337 lines). This is not something new, I don't ever remember it working. I would like to know why. I had never used mcedit so tried it on Wheezy with version 3:4.7.0.9-2. I used mrxvt for the test. Used Ctrl-ins to copy a line then Shift-ins to paste it somewhere else. Works here as discribed in the man page. I thenm treid it in an xterm and it did not work. As mentioned in the man page these do not work in some terminals so they covered all the bases. Wayne, did you try ctrl-ins in mcedit under script on a vt? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jdnumq$v2r$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: MSI N210 graphics card causes boot failure
Sven and Camaleón: Thankyou for the replies and suggestions. I have made some progress. See below. On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 04:41:11PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2011-12-31 16:31 +0100, Camaleón wrote: > > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:30:30 -0700, Dean Allen Provins, P. Geoph. wrote: > > > >> My nVidia GeForce 6600 GT card started to act up, so I purchased an > >> inexpensive MSI N210 card (which uses the 210 nVidia chipset). The > >> salesman said I'd be happier with it! > >> > >> Sadly, after the the initial boot sequence lines of text (in regular VGA > >> font) appear, the screen goes blank, and the disc stops working. It > >> appears that the "fine print" boot messages are lost at that time. Is it > >> possible the card does not support alternative VGA text formats? > > Hardly, I dare say. > > >> Does anyone know why this happens, or what if any incompatibilities > >> there are between the current Debian release and this card? Any > >> suggestions for an alternative card would also be welcome (high "gaming" > >> performance is not needed). > > > > Before anything, I would try these steps: > > > > 1/ Rename any current "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file (if any) and let Xorg to > > auto-configure the card. > > This will not help, since there is a problem with the kernel module. > > > 2/ Boot with KMS disabled (append "nouveau.modeset=0" at boot's kernel > > line). > > That should work around the problem. If possible, use a second machine > to log in via ssh and run "rmmod nouveau; modprobe nouveau modeset=1" > then. Apending "nouveau.modeset=0" at boot time allowed the boot to proceed normally. "gdm" popped up a graphical screen as expected, BUT, the resolution was 800X600. As "root", I then executed "rmmod nouveau; modprobe nouveau modeset=1" which caused a loss of X (screen went black) and a loss of the mouse. The keyboard continued to function allowing me to "halt" the system. I was unable to bring up one of the 6 text screens, and had to work blindly. I examined the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old (new MSI card) and compared it to the /var/log/Xorg.0.log (old 6600 card). It appears that the "nouveau" module may not have been used. The "VESA" module seems to be the module of choice and all the higher resolutions were disabled. > Sven It seems that the "nouveau" modeset=1 does not function as expected. To your knowledge, are there alternative settings that one might use; or do you recommend the binary nVidia driver? Thanks, Dean -- Dean Provins, P. Geoph. dprov...@alumni.ucalgary.ca http://www.telusplanet.net/~provinsd KeyID at at pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371: 0x9643AE65 Fingerprint: 9B79 75FB 5C2B 22D0 6C8C 5A87 D579 9BE5 9643 AE65 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111231204112.GA2875@ve6wvc
Re: mcedit copy to cooledit.clip
On 12/31/2011 11:27 AM, hvw59601 wrote: Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:05:48 -0600, hvw59601 wrote: When mc runs in forked shell, like script, the ctrl-ins keys in mcedit to copy marked text to cooledit.clip doesn't work. Anybody knows why not? Could it be because of some sort of key binding problem within the terminal? I have tested mcedit (run inside "script" and also by direct call) on wheezy from gnome-terminal and xterm and "ctrl+ins" seems to do nothing but F3/F5 still does the mark/paste work :-? Right. F3/F5 still select/copy within the file, but ctrl-ins does not copy to cooledit.clip, it does nothing. In the man I find only that it is supposed to work, but the man is huge (3337 lines). This is not something new, I don't ever remember it working. I would like to know why. I had never used mcedit so tried it on Wheezy with version 3:4.7.0.9-2. I used mrxvt for the test. Used Ctrl-ins to copy a line then Shift-ins to paste it somewhere else. Works here as discribed in the man page. I thenm treid it in an xterm and it did not work. As mentioned in the man page these do not work in some terminals so they covered all the bases. /Quote: In addition to that, Shift combined with arrows does text highlighting (if supported by the terminal): Ctrl-Ins copies to the file ~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip, Shift-Ins pastes from ~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip, Shift-Del cuts to ~/.mc/cedit/cooledit.clip, and Ctrl-Del deletes highlighted text. Mouse highlighting also works on some terminals. To use the standard mouse support provided by your terminal, hold the Shift key. Please note that the mouse support in the terminal doesn't share the clipboard with mcedit. Quote/ HTH WT -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff7019.6050...@gmail.com
[OT] Rosetta Stone language program on Linux?
Hi: I was wondering if anyone here has any experience with a Rosetta Stone language program on a Linux box, either the web-based or the DVD program. I want to (re)learn French, and most reviews suggest that Rosetta Stone is the best. TIA Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cajvvksmhs76ypglw8zs63upehmzm989686xpqnhropbvhyf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: fails to run
Jim Lill wrote: >SLUG:~# php test.php > >- > >it just sits there, note the after the invocation > >Some other binaries do the same, but not all. What am I missing? I don’t know about the NSLU2 in detail, but maybe a # strace php test.php might help. If you don’t have strace, lsof or maybe even ps might be able to tell more about what exactly happens to this process. Best regards, Claudius -- Beware of the man who knows the answer before he understands the question. Please use GPG: ECB0C2C7 4A4C4046 446ADF86 C08112E5 D72CDBA4 http://chubig.net/ http://nightfall.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111231211505.7e1d2...@ares.home.chubig.net
fails to run
I have Debian installed on a NSLU2 and it does many things well. The issue I find from time to tome is that some executables won't run. It seems like that start then just sit there. for example, PHP is there... which php yields /usr/bin/php apache does OK with embedded php php-cli is installed but when I tro to run it I get SLUG:~# php test.php - it just sits there, note the after the invocation Some other binaries do the same, but not all. What am I missing? -Jim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff5b56.2010...@rochester.rr.com
Re: SATA disk errors
On 31/12/11 08:55, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
On 12/30/2011 4:37 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
I'm getting irrregular reports on a Squeeze software raid1 array with
two 500GB disks like this:
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872684] ata3.00: exception Emask
0x10 SAct 0x3 SErr 0x40 action 0x6 frozen
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872694] ata3.00: irq_stat
0x0800, interface fatal error
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872703] ata3: SError: { Handshk }
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872710] ata3.00: failed command:
WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872725] ata3.00: cmd
61/60:00:80:d0:56/00:00:13:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 49152 out
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872729] res
40/00:08:20:9b:5a/00:00:13:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872736] ata3.00: status: { DRDY }
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872742] ata3.00: failed command:
WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872755] ata3.00: cmd
61/20:08:20:9b:5a/00:00:13:00:00/40 tag 1 ncq 16384 out
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872758] res
40/00:08:20:9b:5a/00:00:13:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872765] ata3.00: status: { DRDY }
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872776] ata3: hard resetting link
Dec 30 09:53:40 tony-lx kernel: [143497.356148] ata3: SATA link up 6.0
Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
Dec 30 09:53:40 tony-lx kernel: [143497.358983] ata3.00: configured for
UDMA/133
Dec 30 09:53:40 tony-lx kernel: [143497.359005] ata3: EH complete
Can anyone please enlighten me to what it means; Am I about to lose a disk?
Why haven't you looked at the SMART data for the disk on ATA3? Normally
that will answer your question directly above.
Well, Stan, I did. Unfortunately I didn't understand the reports, which
contain a plethora of information, for which I haven't been able to
locate an authoritative explanation, but seem to indicate that the
drives are OK:
root@tony-lx:~# smartctl -a /dev/sda
smartctl 5.40 2010-07-12 r3124 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: ST3500413AS
Serial Number:6VMS3YG7
Firmware Version: JC45
User Capacity:500,107,862,016 bytes
Device is:Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 8
ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4
Local Time is:Sat Dec 31 09:20:49 2011 GMT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x82) Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection:
Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine
completed
without error or no self-test
has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 600) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:(0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection
on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:( 1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:( 83) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:( 2) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x103f) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control
supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 120 099 006Pre-fail
Always
Re: Generating Innovative Ideas
On Saturday 31 December 2011 18:17:39 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:47:21 -0800 > Don Juan wrote: > > Hello Don, > > > Why is there so much spam like this on these boards? I belong to a few > > Because morons quote it. Which confuses the spam filters. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201112311829.58600.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Generating Innovative Ideas
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:47:21 -0800 Don Juan wrote: Hello Don, > Why is there so much spam like this on these boards? I belong to a few Because morons quote it. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Well I don't want you to think I'm being obscene Fish - The Damned signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: ip-tables resource temporarily unavailable
On Friday 04 Tevet 5772 17:28:15 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: > > Get a slew of these immediately at bootup. > > Afterwards, it works fine. > > > > > > > > What may be causing this? > > Why didn't you ask Google before asking here? It's not really fair to > ask others to do your homework, given the information you seek is > readily available via Google. 853,000 hits returned when searching your > exact subject. And the answer you are looking for is within the > articles linked on the first page of hits. I DID google it first. Use of flock in a certain script was suggested but I never needed that before and do not know how to apply it on my system. It seems that if-up if being executed too soon. This was not a problem before. I do not know if placing flocks in every one of the if-up.d scripts is the answer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201112311938.32573.d_ba...@012.net.il
Re: Generating Innovative Ideas
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Re: SATA disk errors
On 30/12/11 17:15, Camaleón wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:37:53 +, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
I'm getting irrregular reports on a Squeeze software raid1 array with
two 500GB disks like this:
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872684] ata3.00: exception Emask 0x10
SAct 0x3 SErr 0x40 action 0x6 frozen
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872694] ata3.00: irq_stat 0x0800,
interface fatal error
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872703] ata3: SError: { Handshk }
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872710] ata3.00: failed command: WRITE
FPDMA QUEUED
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872725] ata3.00: cmd
61/60:00:80:d0:56/00:00:13:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 49152 out
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872729] res
40/00:08:20:9b:5a/00:00:13:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872736] ata3.00: status: { DRDY }
(...)
Despite the avobe errors, is the RAID1 array going offline?
Can anyone please enlighten me to what it means; Am I about to lose a
disk?
It seems to be localized in just one of the disks (the one connected to
the third sata port). Hard to tell what's going wrong (software bug/error,
hardware error?), but I would start by replacing the sata cables for
both disks, just in case. I've found many weird issues with poorly
designed/bad quality sata cables that come bundled within motherboard pack.
Thanks Cameleón, I'll give that a try when I next reboot the server.
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Re: mcedit copy to cooledit.clip
Camaleón wrote: On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:05:48 -0600, hvw59601 wrote: When mc runs in forked shell, like script, the ctrl-ins keys in mcedit to copy marked text to cooledit.clip doesn't work. Anybody knows why not? Could it be because of some sort of key binding problem within the terminal? I have tested mcedit (run inside "script" and also by direct call) on wheezy from gnome-terminal and xterm and "ctrl+ins" seems to do nothing but F3/F5 still does the mark/paste work :-? Right. F3/F5 still select/copy within the file, but ctrl-ins does not copy to cooledit.clip, it does nothing. In the man I find only that it is supposed to work, but the man is huge (3337 lines). This is not something new, I don't ever remember it working. I would like to know why. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jdnd59$vlo$1...@dough.gmane.org
XEN 4.0 and Debian 6 HVM Problem.
Hello! I have just installed a new machine with Debian 6 and XEN 4.0. I used the apt repositiories to achieve this. I already installed a machine with this configuration, without problems. Now, the hardware differs from the previous machine: CPU: AMD FX 8120 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 VGA: GAINWARD nVidia GF210 I installed successfully XEN. The created PV virtual machines are works, but when I try to start a HVM based VM, the dom0 reboots automatically. I get only once an error message on IP Console: http://djpety.nt-hosting.hu/capture/2011-12-31_1647.png And another thing, I can see always, when I boot up: [0.167168] PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing [0.167168] pci :00:00.0: BAR 3: address space collision on of device [0xe000-0x] [0.167168] pci :00:00.0: BAR 3: can't allocate resource Here is the full dmesg: http://pastebin.com/QL2N7bS1 LSPCI output:http://pastebin.com/T05EVcCz And this is what can be interesting in: 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc RD890 PCI to PCI bridge (external gfx0 port B) (rev 02) I do not know, what can I do, now. I waiting for any suggestion. Best regards, and Happy New Year. Nyári, Péter
Re: mcedit copy to cooledit.clip
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:05:48 -0600, hvw59601 wrote: > When mc runs in forked shell, like script, the ctrl-ins keys in mcedit > to copy marked text to cooledit.clip doesn't work. Anybody knows why > not? Could it be because of some sort of key binding problem within the terminal? I have tested mcedit (run inside "script" and also by direct call) on wheezy from gnome-terminal and xterm and "ctrl+ins" seems to do nothing but F3/F5 still does the mark/paste work :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.31.16.07...@gmail.com
Loss of Xfce DE functionality since testing upgrades to clutter on 12/17
Hi, This is more a matter of general curiosity than something I'm trying actively to fix. I would, of course, like to correct the problems, but they are not show-stoppers for me. If the behaviors I'm reporting can be expected to be corrected at some point by future upgrades I'm content to wait. If, however, I can contribute to development or bug-fixing efforts by filing or contributing to bug reports I'd be happy to do so. It's just that I'm clueless in this case as to the appropriate target for such a report. I noticed that apt-listbugs flagged the new version of clutter to which my systems were upgraded on 12/17/2011 as "breaking" mesa. The following bug report was mentioned. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620908 That bug report, though, doesn't really seem to have much of anything to do with the issues I've noticed in Xfce since that time. The issues I see are: 1. Compositing in Xfce doesn't work properly. All windows and panels are surrounded by large-width flat gray shadows, and transparency is broken. With compositing turned off, everything looks normal for that state. 2. The Desktop applet in Xfce Settings Manager is unable to change the desktop background. Instead, only the background selected by update-alternatives is allowed. Furthermore, choosing "none" doesn't remove that background image. 3. Right-clicking the desktop doesn't activate Xfce's menu system any more -- but this failure is something I've seen only on some of my testing installations, not all of them. It may be that I don't run many or any applications or drivers that make use of clutter and mesa in such a way as to cause the types of failures mentioned in the bug report. I have seen the failed to create drawable error on occasion in a terminal when starting some Mozilla apps (iceweasel, icedove, iceowl -- IIRC), but that's about the only obvious thing (to me, a relative beginner in GNU/Linux) my experience shares with the bug report. Would anyone have general comments on this matter that might guide me to some type of understanding? Are these issues I'm seeing connected to that bug report? I started to just report this to the xfce-b...@xfce.org, x...@xfce.org, or pkg-xfce-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org, but thought that it obviously involves non-xfce packages and might be peculiar to Debian testing / unstable, so that I should try here first. Thanks for any information you might provide. Regards, Gilbert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff314c.2070...@comcast.net
Re: MSI N210 graphics card causes boot failure
On 2011-12-31 16:31 +0100, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:30:30 -0700, Dean Allen Provins, P. Geoph. wrote: > >> My nVidia GeForce 6600 GT card started to act up, so I purchased an >> inexpensive MSI N210 card (which uses the 210 nVidia chipset). The >> salesman said I'd be happier with it! >> >> Sadly, after the the initial boot sequence lines of text (in regular VGA >> font) appear, the screen goes blank, and the disc stops working. It >> appears that the "fine print" boot messages are lost at that time. Is it >> possible the card does not support alternative VGA text formats? Hardly, I dare say. >> Does anyone know why this happens, or what if any incompatibilities >> there are between the current Debian release and this card? Any >> suggestions for an alternative card would also be welcome (high "gaming" >> performance is not needed). > > Before anything, I would try these steps: > > 1/ Rename any current "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file (if any) and let Xorg to > auto-configure the card. This will not help, since there is a problem with the kernel module. > 2/ Boot with KMS disabled (append "nouveau.modeset=0" at boot's kernel > line). That should work around the problem. If possible, use a second machine to log in via ssh and run "rmmod nouveau; modprobe nouveau modeset=1" then. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d3b4n3zc@turtle.gmx.de
Re: MSI N210 graphics card causes boot failure
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:30:30 -0700, Dean Allen Provins, P. Geoph. wrote: > My nVidia GeForce 6600 GT card started to act up, so I purchased an > inexpensive MSI N210 card (which uses the 210 nVidia chipset). The > salesman said I'd be happier with it! > > Sadly, after the the initial boot sequence lines of text (in regular VGA > font) appear, the screen goes blank, and the disc stops working. It > appears that the "fine print" boot messages are lost at that time. Is it > possible the card does not support alternative VGA text formats? (...) > Does anyone know why this happens, or what if any incompatibilities > there are between the current Debian release and this card? Any > suggestions for an alternative card would also be welcome (high "gaming" > performance is not needed). Before anything, I would try these steps: 1/ Rename any current "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file (if any) and let Xorg to auto-configure the card. 2/ Boot with KMS disabled (append "nouveau.modeset=0" at boot's kernel line). There is also the closed source nvidia driver which usually works quite well but the first to do is making the system boots :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.31.15.31...@gmail.com
Re: address and port translation (NAT) no longer required in IPv6 -- but...
Hello, Rick Thomas a écrit : > > It eliminates the need for masquerading and port translation, but it > does not eliminate the need for a proper firewall. Unfortunately the plenty of public IPv6 space does not totally eliminate the need for NAT in some situations. Otherwise there would not be that RFC 5902 about IPv6 NAT... Situations where NAT may help which come to mind are multi-homing with ISP-specific prefixes, prefix renumbering... > An (IPv4) router/NAT-box has the unavoidable side-effect of not > allowing any incoming (Internet -> LAN) connections unless they have > been explicitly programmed by the user. Most people consider this to > be a "good thing". Actually this is primarily a side effect of the use of private addresses which are (supposedly) unreachable from the public internet, not NAT. Some NAT implementations may act as a firewall, but this is implementation-dependent. Remember that the netfilter IPv4 NAT implementation in the Linux kernel does not do any filtering. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff26ad.8050...@plouf.fr.eu.org
MSI N210 graphics card causes boot failure
Hello: My nVidia GeForce 6600 GT card started to act up, so I purchased an inexpensive MSI N210 card (which uses the 210 nVidia chipset). The salesman said I'd be happier with it! Sadly, after the the initial boot sequence lines of text (in regular VGA font) appear, the screen goes blank, and the disc stops working. It appears that the "fine print" boot messages are lost at that time. Is it possible the card does not support alternative VGA text formats? I should add that the keyboard, mouse and network are all dead at that time, which suggests that the boot sequence was incomplete. The MSI box indicates that a PCI Express or PCI Express 2.0 slot are all that is required. The mother board provides the former (it is an ASUS A8N-E board purchased with the original graphics card in '06 or so). "lsmod" shows a "nouveau" driver being loaded with the old card, but I doubt it gets that far with the new card. Does anyone know why this happens, or what if any incompatibilities there are between the current Debian release and this card? Any suggestions for an alternative card would also be welcome (high "gaming" performance is not needed). Thanks, Dean -- Dean Provins, P. Geoph. dprov...@alumni.ucalgary.ca http://www.telusplanet.net/~provinsd KeyID at at pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371: 0x9643AE65 Fingerprint: 9B79 75FB 5C2B 22D0 6C8C 5A87 D579 9BE5 9643 AE65 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111231143030.GA3199@ve6wvc
mcedit copy to cooledit.clip
Hi, When mc runs in forked shell, like script, the ctrl-ins keys in mcedit to copy marked text to cooledit.clip doesn't work. Anybody knows why not? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jdn8cd$3eh$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: disabling ipV6
Hello, Tony van der Hoff a écrit : > > I run my own caching BIND9 under squeeze, and as far as I'm aware it's > correctly set up. > > I'm using Thunderbird as my MUA, with an IMAP host on my VPS, > smtp.vanderhoff.org. > > When trying to read or send mail I invariably get a DNS timeout: > Dec 28 10:11:23 tony-lx named[1768]: error (unexpected RCODE SERVFAIL) > resolving 'smtp.vanderhoff.org//IN': 91.121.205.64#53 The authoritative DNS servers for your domain, ns0.ukpost.com and ns1.ukpost.com, are broken. If the domain name smtp.vanderhoff.org has no record of a given type ( or other), the NS should not reply with status=SERVFAIL but with status=NOERROR and answer=0. > Dec 28 10:11:27 tony-lx named[1768]: error (network unreachable) > resolving 'smtp.vanderhoff.org//IN': 2001:41d0:1:d640::1#53 That is perfectly normal if your caching NS server has no IPv6 connectivity. It should not cause any delay. > Well, that appears to be looking for an IPv6 address, and as my router > doesn't support IPv6, it's bound to go wrong. No. Lack of IPv6 support should be handled gracefully. > Any suggestions, please? 1) Ask your registrar to fix their DNS servers. 2) Disable IPv6 resolution in Thunderbird by setting network.dns.disableIPv6=true in the config editor. 3) Disable IPv6 in BIND by adding -4 in the OPTIONS line in /etc/default/bind9. That will stop the "network unreachable" messages. Alternatively, add the option "forward only;" so that BIND will query only the IPv4 addresses defined in the forwarders option and will not try to perform its own recursive resolution if they fail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4eff1a21.2010...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: X Window: Setting up mouse scroll for OOo Calc to one raw
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:53:08 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sb, 31 dec 11, 13:07:10, Camaleón wrote: >> >> I don't think it's "a number of lines" but "speed" issue. > > Look at the subject of this thread ;) Errr, yes, but the subject is misleading. We (users) understand things in a different way than computer programs do. If we want the mouse wheel to scroll a number of lines (or a number of rows, or a number of pages, or a number of...) we say so in a human way: "Hey, I want to scroll down with the mouse wheel page by page instead 3 lines, how can I do it?" but that stanza has to be translated to make sense for Xorg and Xorg sees "speed" and not "lines". Just different wording for naming the same thing. And while we are discussing about "names", the problem still remains :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.31.14.23...@gmail.com
Re: How to do this, fold + split
T o n g wrote: > I want to split a file every ### of chars. Is it possible not to split on > the word but word boundaries? Use Awk or Sed. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87aa68q2jc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: X Window: Setting up mouse scroll for OOo Calc to one raw
On Sb, 31 dec 11, 13:07:10, Camaleón wrote: > > I don't think it's "a number of lines" but "speed" issue. Look at the subject of this thread ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: where did gmplayer go?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 01:34:52 + (UTC), I wrote: >> Until recently, there was a file /usr/bin/gmplayer that was just a link to >> /usr/bin/mplayer. On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:30:42 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > gmplayer and mplayer are different binaries. >From /usr/bin in a recent backup: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root7 Jun 18 2011 gmplayer -> mplayer Looks like they're the same binary to me (gmplayer being just a link to mplayer). Unless you consider a link to be a separate binary in itself. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loom.20111231t144114-...@post.gmane.org
Re: X Window: Setting up mouse scroll for OOo Calc to one raw
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:34:53 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sb, 31 dec 11, 11:43:27, Camaleón wrote: >> >> But with all the due respects, mouse scroll wheel speed can be easily >> set in KDE affecting all X applications and also, there are mouse >> drivers (other than "evdev") that allow to define this value in one way >> or another so although asking this at OOo forums/mailing lists won't >> hurt I don't think this is a per application setting, that would be >> just crazy. > > IMO it depends. If the requirement is to "scroll X number of lines" then > only the application can do it, since lower level subsystems don't know > what a "row" is in the application. I don't think it's "a number of lines" but "speed" issue. The mouse wheel is seen by Xorg as another mouse "clickable" button and you can control the button click speed system wide (and of course, also mouse speed itself), so why is so hard to control the speed at which the wheel goes up/down? It's senseless :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.31.13.07...@gmail.com
Re: SOLVED Re: getting very hacked off debian-nimby
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:39:57 +0200 Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sb, 31 dec 11, 10:55:04, Richard wrote: > > > > > The upgrade does not leave the installed nvidia 290 intact NAUGHTY ! > > the proprietary Nvidia driver has to be reloaded. > > I'm guessing you are not using the Debian packaged nvidia driver, > otherwise you wouldn't get such issues. > > More generally, whenever you install things outside Debian's package > management you have to be prepared to fix things on the next upgrade. > > This is not to say that Debian's package management is flawless, but > must of the upgrade bugs are caught before the release (usually even > before testing migration). > > Kind regards, > Andrei Hi Andrei I did try within debian package management, But I could not get it to function, hence the fallback to the Nvidia proprietary driver. IF it would help get the debian packages to work, I could un-install the proprietary driver and try again with the debian packages. -- Happy New Year Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: rich...@g8jvm.com or richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 on a Dual core AMD Athlon 5200, 4 GB RAM Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W & 3 cms:5W ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111231130124.710dd...@g8jvm.com
Re: How to do this, fold + split
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:09:13 +, T o n g wrote: > I want to split a file every ### of chars. Is it possible not to split > on the word but word boundaries? I was first thought in "awk" but Google suggested "fold": sm01@stt008:~$ cat Desktop/text.txt thisis a sample text file to seehow thescript work s... sm01@stt008:~$ fold -s -w 10 Desktop/text.txt thisis a sample text file to seehow thescript work s... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.31.12.59...@gmail.com
Re: SOLVED Re: getting very hacked off debian-nimby
On Sb, 31 dec 11, 10:55:04, Richard wrote: > > > The upgrade does not leave the installed nvidia 290 intact NAUGHTY ! > the proprietary Nvidia driver has to be reloaded. I'm guessing you are not using the Debian packaged nvidia driver, otherwise you wouldn't get such issues. More generally, whenever you install things outside Debian's package management you have to be prepared to fix things on the next upgrade. This is not to say that Debian's package management is flawless, but must of the upgrade bugs are caught before the release (usually even before testing migration). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: X Window: Setting up mouse scroll for OOo Calc to one raw
On Sb, 31 dec 11, 11:43:27, Camaleón wrote: > > But with all the due respects, mouse scroll wheel speed can be easily set > in KDE affecting all X applications and also, there are mouse drivers > (other than "evdev") that allow to define this value in one way or > another so although asking this at OOo forums/mailing lists won't hurt I > don't think this is a per application setting, that would be just crazy. IMO it depends. If the requirement is to "scroll X number of lines" then only the application can do it, since lower level subsystems don't know what a "row" is in the application. Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: can't load nvidia kernel module
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:58:57 -0300, David Roguin wrote: > I have this problem, nouveau it's getting loaded at the beginning of the > boot sequence, and then when X tries to load the nvidia module it > crashes saying the graphic card is already being used. If I manually > remove the nouveau module and modprobe nvidia, everything works fine. As others already said, nouveau and nvidia modules cannot be loaded at the same time, you will have to blacklist "nuvó". http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#X_doesn.27t_start > I've tried removing the xorg.conf and let X to take care but gnome-shell > doesn't load with the nouveau driver, i guess nouveau can't really make > use of the nvidia card I have. (...) Yes, nouveau has to work with gnome-shell although it is an ongoing work. Report any problem you're facing with this at Debian BTS. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.31.12.20...@gmail.com
Re: Everything seems to cause a reboot
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:42:59 +1100, goossens wrote: > I have tried a differnt keyboard (an USB and a different ps2) and makes > no difference to the problem, so I guess it is a graphics driver issue. > > I have followed advice from all the very helpful people who have > responded. I tried > > apci=off > > and > > reboot=bios > > and they make no difference. There are more options you can pass to the kernel related to ACPI/APIC subsystem: http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt > If I turn off gdm and just boot into a text tty, Crtl-Alt-Fn works fine, > and the system shuts down and reboots nicely. SO it _must_ be something > to do with the graphics/X. So I guess they don't 'pass through' the key > sequences, but must reinterpret them at some level? > > If it is a 'graphics driver' problem, how do I tackle that? Is there a > more appropriate forum? SHoudl I be going to X.org? I still think is is an ACPI issue more than hardware (mouse/keyboard) or a VGA driver problem. But to start discarding culprits you can try to: - Use a different VGA driver (if possible) - Test with another DE or WM (this can be also tried from a LiveCD) - Review the logs Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.31.12.04...@gmail.com
Re: X Window: Setting up mouse scroll for OOo Calc to one raw
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:19:04 +0100, Csanyi Pal wrote: > Camaleón writes: > >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:34:25 +0100, Csanyi Pal wrote: >> >>> Camaleón writes: > >> I would ask this question directly at Xorg's users mailing list: >> >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg > > I did so, but get the following mail. http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2011-December/053926.html > :( How bad ;-( But with all the due respects, mouse scroll wheel speed can be easily set in KDE affecting all X applications and also, there are mouse drivers (other than "evdev") that allow to define this value in one way or another so although asking this at OOo forums/mailing lists won't hurt I don't think this is a per application setting, that would be just crazy. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.31.11.43...@gmail.com
SOLVED Re: getting very hacked off debian-nimby
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:05:16 + Richard wrote: > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:43:15 + > Joe wrote: > > > > > I upgraded from sid all of gnome to 3.2.1 , gnome-shell 3.2.1-8 > > > Now it runs in fall back mode only, has anyone else found this ? > > > I've tried looking in /var/log/gdm3, but its like looking in a > > > haystack for a needle. ideas please > > > > Yes. Gnome3 requires hardware 3D acceleration, even if you only ever run > > a text editor. It has to be able to do the whizzy 3D effects with > > application windows that Windows users seem to require. > > > > Check to see whether your video hardware has drivers with 3D > > acceleration, and if so, that you have them installed, and if so, that > > you have them *enabled*. > > > > It was all enabled and still is, and it was all working before upgrading from > gnome-shell 3.0.1 to > gnome-shell 3.2.1-8 :( > > Thanks for the other info Joe > The upgrade does not leave the installed nvidia 290 intact NAUGHTY ! the proprietary Nvidia driver has to be reloaded. NOTE it does leave the nvidia control application in the menus which says the driver is running. -- Happy Christmas and a Happy New Year Best wishes / 73 Richard Bown e-mail: rich...@g8jvm.com or richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk nil carborundum a illegitemis ## Ham Call G8JVM . OS Debian Wheezy/Sid amd64 on a Dual core AMD Athlon 5200, 4 GB RAM Maidenhead QRA: IO82SP38, LAT. 52 39.720' N LONG. 2 28.171 W ( degs mins ) QRV HF + VHF Microwave 23 cms:140W,13 cms:100W,6 cms:10W & 3 cms:5W ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20111231105504.0fa86...@g8jvm.com
Re: Ownership of external usb hard drive
On 2011-12-31, Stephen Allen wrote: >> > Or is this a question of having it plugged in when the machine is >> > booted? >> > >> It makes no difference. >> > > I just have been bit by this bug after a recent update. The same > external USB drive was working prior. Not sure which update did it though > as the drive isn't used daily. What is the nature of the bug, exactly? Not to hijack the thread, but I've found another bug related to my external hard drive, entered in /etc/fstab with the 'noauto' argument. When I mount the drive to back up my home directory, I then unmount it and unplug it from the usb port. Later that same day, when I shut down my machine (which I do once a day), the computer will not power down. The shut down protocol is respected, but when it reaches the "Will now halt" point in the procedure, rather than the machine turning itself off electrically, I get the message: "Power down". Now, as these new fangled cheapie machines they're making now, one of which I bought recently, don't have a power switch on the psu, I have to press the power button at the front of the machine for five seconds to shut the computer off. No biggie, I suppose, though I do wonder whether this stresses the components more than the usual procedure. Or is it more or less the same thing? Anyway, could be a _post hoc ergo propter hoc_, but so far the relationship "mount usb hard drive"--"no power down" has held to be true. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjftq4q.32b.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Debian Lenny 32
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:25:21 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >> Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> > Camaleón wrote: >> >> Mohamed Daif wrote: >> >>> What is the maximum RAM supported in Debian Lenny 32bit . >> >> >> >> It should be 64 GiB with a PAE enabled kernel (bigmem). >> > >> > 64GB max for the kernel, but userspace processes are still limited to >> > a 4GB virtual address space. Thus if one has an application, say a >> > database or medical imaging app (think MRI), that requires direct >> > access to say, 32GB of RAM, one should be using an x86-64 kernel and >> > an application compiled for an x86-64 target. >> >> That's a self-imposed limitation. > > What is self-imposed? 4GB of virtual address space? That is the > definition of a 32-bit address space. It is only self imposed if you > include choosing a 32-bit architecture in the choice. And actually > unless you do special things you really will be limited to 3G. (It used > to be that you couldn't get above 2G without linking with -N. But things > have been rewritten to make 3G the default now.) Going to 64-bits is > the much easier way to make use of a large memory space. Yes, I do know. It can be still useful under determined scenarios to be able to map as much ram as you can, i.e., for databases. >> It could be by-passed by using "memory mapping" techniques (this is >> documented in the wikipedia page you pointed out about PAE, which >> specifically mentions "mmap()") but not many linux applications are >> making use of it, I'm afraid, contrary what happens on Windows systems. > > None of that is real memory. Even if an application codes in the > ability to use application level paging to handle more data the program > itself is still limited to 32-bits. That's what memory mapping is for and that's what PAE does at a different level. Being convenient or not, being real or virtual it's an option for 32-bits systems that need to handle big amounts of data, system wide or per-process. > (There are a lot of wonderful Seymour Cray quotes, or at least > attributions to him even if he didn't actually say them, that I really > wanted to say here about memory. Consider this an "in" joke for > everyone who knows what I am talking about. I will leave with this one: > "Virtual memory leads to virtual performance.") I personally don't like how PAE nor mmap() do they work. They are by- passes, "patches" but not a real solution to the problem. Yes, there are noticeable penalties for a system starting from 8 GiB of RAM when using PAE (this was discussed on the kernel mailing lists a year or so ago), but I'm not judging if this (PAE, mmap...) is convenient or not just point there are ways to remove the 4 GiB pero process restriction. Whether this is optimal or not is another issue. >> In the end, applications that need to handle/move big quantities of >> data directly from the RAM will benefit of a pure 64-bits OS. > > Agreed. But I don't think we have gotten to the point where most > desktop users need it yet. *Wanting* it is fine though. But even most > people's pig applications of libreoffice and firefox don't usually need > more than 3G of memory. But of course if there is any application > (usually scientific or some other technical domain) that needs more than > 3G of data space then they really do need a 64-bit architecture. They > usually already know who they are. Yes, I do also think so. Infact, I've got the impression we do not either need such powerful systems for evey user and every mundane task, a Pentium III is still perfect capable of doing 70% of a default user dayly work :-) But one of the "pros" of encouraging people to jump to 64-bits based applications/OSes is that programmers and developers had to do the coding work to adapt the programs to the 64-bits arquitecture and now there not many applications that cannot be run on the new platform. There is always side benefits... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.12.31.10.39...@gmail.com
Re: Wheezy update wrecks MC graphics?
On 2011-12-30 23:01, Jeff Gordon wrote: Hi, Folks -- A recent wheezy update has caused Midnight Commander screens to have those garbled characters instead of drawn lines. I'm aware I can use "mc -a" and "mcedit -a" as a workaround, but it would be nice to have the proper lines restored. Anybody know what recent update would have produced this and/or what I can do to "restore peace" to Midnight Commander...? Thanks kindly, Hi, I'm not using MC very often so maybe I didn't notice changes but my MC (on daily updated Wheezy) have straight border lines. http://dobosevic.com/nix/mc.png -- Bye, Goran Dobosevic Hrvatski: www.dobosevic.com English: www.dobosevic.com/en/ Registered Linux User #503414 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4efeda2e.2090...@dobosevic.com
Re: SATA disk errors
On 12/30/2011 4:37 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> I'm getting irrregular reports on a Squeeze software raid1 array with
> two 500GB disks like this:
>
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872684] ata3.00: exception Emask
> 0x10 SAct 0x3 SErr 0x40 action 0x6 frozen
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872694] ata3.00: irq_stat
> 0x0800, interface fatal error
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872703] ata3: SError: { Handshk }
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872710] ata3.00: failed command:
> WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872725] ata3.00: cmd
> 61/60:00:80:d0:56/00:00:13:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 49152 out
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872729] res
> 40/00:08:20:9b:5a/00:00:13:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872736] ata3.00: status: { DRDY }
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872742] ata3.00: failed command:
> WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872755] ata3.00: cmd
> 61/20:08:20:9b:5a/00:00:13:00:00/40 tag 1 ncq 16384 out
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872758] res
> 40/00:08:20:9b:5a/00:00:13:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872765] ata3.00: status: { DRDY }
> Dec 30 09:53:39 tony-lx kernel: [143496.872776] ata3: hard resetting link
> Dec 30 09:53:40 tony-lx kernel: [143497.356148] ata3: SATA link up 6.0
> Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
> Dec 30 09:53:40 tony-lx kernel: [143497.358983] ata3.00: configured for
> UDMA/133
> Dec 30 09:53:40 tony-lx kernel: [143497.359005] ata3: EH complete
>
> Can anyone please enlighten me to what it means; Am I about to lose a disk?
Why haven't you looked at the SMART data for the disk on ATA3? Normally
that will answer your question directly above.
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Re: Debian Lenny 32
On 12/30/2011 8:59 AM, Camaleón wrote: > On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:32:06 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > >> On 12/29/2011 10:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: >>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:26:28 +0200, Mohamed Daif wrote: >>> What is the maximum RAM supported in Debian Lenny 32bit . >>> >>> It should be 64 GiB with a PAE enabled kernel (bigmem). >> >> 64GB max for the kernel, but userspace processes are still limited to a >> 4GB virtual address space. Thus if one has an application, say a >> database or medical imaging app (think MRI), that requires direct access >> to say, 32GB of RAM, one should be using an x86-64 kernel and an >> application compiled for an x86-64 target. > > That's a self-imposed limitation. > > It could be by-passed by using "memory mapping" techniques (this is > documented in the wikipedia page you pointed out about PAE, which > specifically mentions "mmap()") but not many linux applications are > making use of it, I'm afraid, contrary what happens on Windows systems. > In the end, applications that need to handle/move big quantities of data > directly from the RAM will benefit of a pure 64-bits OS. Mostly correct. Using mmap() to get access to all that extra memory still has significant limitations. Note that 64 bit Linux has been around long enough that there was no motivation for anyone to write a convoluted large memory application for 32 bit x86 PAE systems. 64 bit Linux has been running on Alpha and SPARC since the late '90s, both platforms offering up to 8GB on workstation hardware and 128GB on servers, with native 64 bit flat addressing. 64 bit Itanium systems hit the market in the early 2000s with most workstations offering 16GB of RAM and servers offering up to 1TB. Thus, anyone serious about writing an app that needed more than a direct 4GB address space was doing it on non-x86 hardware, of which there was plenty. x86-64 arrived around the same time as IA-64, putting the nail in the "large memory" x86 coffin, from an application developer standpoint. Worth noting is that to date, AFAIK, the only mainstream Windows applications ever written that take good advantage of PAE are MSSQL server and Win32 Oracle. I'd love to hear of other examples, if there are any. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4efecaae.7050...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Preseeded installer uses avahi instead of waiting DHCP
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:32 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 29/12/11 00:38, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Scott Ferguson >> wrote: >>> On 28/12/11 19:41, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 28/12/11 12:14, Dmitry wrote: >> >> I have slow DHCP and TFTP-server with debian installer. Whet I try to >> install Debian (squeeze 6.0.3), installer sets IP to 164.254.x.x >> instead of waiting DHCP respond. > > I suspect Avahi is getting that address from somewhere. Wireshark is > your friend :-) avahi-autoipd assigns the address locally if a dhcp address isn't set. >>> >>> If it's enabled, and changed from the default 16*9*.254.0.0/16 (IETF >>> RFC3927)[*1] - which is certainly possible. >> >> I assumed > > presumed? synonyms... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sxyv4idtkm9a7gwvsbtu87qquzwaczkt9wajzqqbxr...@mail.gmail.com
