date:20120526

El Fri, 25 May 2012 19:12:53 +0200, Alfonso Egea Callejas escribió:

(respondí a este mensaje ayer pero parece que Gmane se lo ha tragado...)

 Hola a todos,
 
 No tengo muy claro si este asunto sería on u off-topic, pero bueno, en
 cualquier caso mi duda es la siguiente:
 
 En ningún punto de las normas (que yo haya visto) se hace referencia a
 añadir Solucionado, Resuelto o similar al asunto de un hilo cuando
 la persona que lo ha generado (quizás también otra) decide que su duda
 queda resuelta.

Suele venir bien hacerlo para los que viene detrás y cuando se consulta 
el archivo de la lista, sobre todo cuando se trata de un hilo muy 
extenso, lleno de mensajes y se quiere ir directamente a la solución del 
problema.
 
 No obstante, personalmente me parece una buena práctica, con la
 excepción de que para los usuarios de Gmail este mensaje aparecerá
 desagrupado del resto de mensajes del hilo*.

El webmail de Gmail tiene ese fallito (uno de los muchos que tiene, por 
eso dejé de usarlo), y es que cuando editas el asunto de un mensaje borra 
los campos que usan los clientes de correo y el servidor de la lista para 
anidar correctamente lo mensajes (no recuerdo si era el References: o 
In-Reply-To:) por eso los correos a los que se ha editado el asunto 
desde el webmail quedan descolgados.

 Por tanto quería saber qué parece esta forma de cerrar los hilos y así
 quizás agilizar las búsquedas de información sobre un mismo problema,
 evitando así la repetición de temas.
 
 A lo mejor los listeros más experimentados sabrían decir si esta es una
 práctica habitual o no en esta lista.

(...)

A mí me parece muy bien (cuando me acuerdo lo hago), siempre y cuando sea 
una sugerencia y no una norma de obligado cumplimiento.

Saludos,

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Re: (Solucionado) Touchpad Sony Vaio

2012-05-26 Thread Samuel Rodriguez Tato


Perdón por tardar, eso lo primero.

El caso es que he solucionado el problema. He seguido los siguientes pasos:

- en /var/log/Xorg.0.log he visto que no habia driver instalado.
- he instalado el gsynaptics y reiniciado las X.

Ahora funciona a una velocidad normal.

Gracias por todo.

Saludos


El 23/05/2012 17:15, Camaleón escribió:

El Wed, 23 May 2012 16:39:01 +0200, Samuel Rodriguez Tato escribió:


El 23/05/2012 16:07, Camaleón escribió:



La configuración manual editando el xorg.conf y los valores que
tienes que indicar para controlar la velocidad del touchpad dependerá
del módulo que cargue el servidor X. ¿Cuál carga?

Por aquí tienes más información para configurarlo:

http://pkg-xorg.alioth.debian.org/howtos/configure-input.html



El caso es que no tiene datos referente al touchpad en el xorg.conf.
Depues miro como esta y ya te comento.


No claro, ni los tendrás... ese archivo ya no se usa salvo que lo generes
manualmente. Revisa el /var/log/Xorg.0.log para ver qué driver te carga.

Saludos,




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Re: Error repositorios en testing. ¿A alguien mas le pasa?

2012-05-26 Thread Santiago Vila


El 25/05/12 17:14, Hector Garcia escribió:

Me parece recordar, que en otra ocasión que reporté un problemilla con
repos, Simon Paillard me recomendó usar http en lugar de ftp. ¿Será
que se está empezando a desestimar el uso de FTP en mirrors?


No se está empezando. El protocolo http siempre ha sido mejor que el ftp 
para usarlo con apt (y yo diría que para casi cualquier otra cosa). Si 
tienes paciencia suficiente para leerte los RFCs, verás que el protocolo 
FTP es bastante chapuza (por ejemplo, la conexión inicial se hace por el 
puerto 21 pero luego los datos llegan por otro puerto distinto).



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Re: Duda con squid inverso

2012-05-26 Thread Gonzalo Rivero

El vie, 25-05-2012 a las 16:39 -0400, Raúl Rodriguez escribió: 
 Colegas he configurado un squid inverso y me funciona perfecto, con la 
 poca docu de squid que he ido consiguiendo a traves de colegas de acá y 
 de allá, el pto es que no tengo internet, y ahora nesecito 
 permitir/denegar direcciones ips que se conecten a los sitios que 
 publico, pero el caso es que de eso no tengo nada, algun administrador 
 de red que me indique como implementar la regla en el .conf de squid
 
investigá sobre acl. Si no empezaste con un squid.conf limpio, el
archivo está (o solía estarlo, hace años no instalo uno) lo
suficientemente comentado como para entender como.
Sino, todavía deberías tener 
/usr/share/doc/squid/examples/default.squid 
/usr/share/doc/squid/examples/squid.conf
para consulta. Además, squid-common, dentro de /usr/share/doc/squid
instala mcha documentación, podés empezar por el quickstart

Y por último, veo que hay un squid-cgi, para administrar tu squid desde
un navegador

 Saludos de antemano y agradecido
 
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Re: Duda con squid inverso

2012-05-26 Thread Jose Pablo Rojas

Tal como te dicen, lo debes hacer con acl, con este lo que vas a hacer es
la creación de la regla, y luego a esa regla le va a dar la opción de
permitirle navegar o rechazarle la conexión.
Por ejemplo si quiere permitir navegación desde una ip de un usuario y a la
vez rechazar la navegación hacia una página lo puede hacer así:
acl ip_fuente src 192.168.1.7
acl bloquear_internet url_regex google.com
acl navegar_ip dst 201.196.40.10
http_access deny ip_fuente
http_access deny bloquear_internet
http_access allow navegar_ip
Saludos.

El 26 de mayo de 2012 16:35, Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.comescribió:

 El vie, 25-05-2012 a las 16:39 -0400, Raúl Rodriguez escribió:
  Colegas he configurado un squid inverso y me funciona perfecto, con la
  poca docu de squid que he ido consiguiendo a traves de colegas de acá y
  de allá, el pto es que no tengo internet, y ahora nesecito
  permitir/denegar direcciones ips que se conecten a los sitios que
  publico, pero el caso es que de eso no tengo nada, algun administrador
  de red que me indique como implementar la regla en el .conf de squid
 
 investigá sobre acl. Si no empezaste con un squid.conf limpio, el
 archivo está (o solía estarlo, hace años no instalo uno) lo
 suficientemente comentado como para entender como.
 Sino, todavía deberías tener
 /usr/share/doc/squid/examples/default.squid
 /usr/share/doc/squid/examples/squid.conf
 para consulta. Además, squid-common, dentro de /usr/share/doc/squid
 instala mcha documentación, podés empezar por el quickstart

 Y por último, veo que hay un squid-cgi, para administrar tu squid desde
 un navegador

  Saludos de antemano y agradecido
 
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  ECM. Luis Ruiz Pallares
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  Tel.  + 537 682 9742
 + 537 682 9673 ext 106
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dependencia do texlive

2012-05-26 Thread Ronaldo Reis Júnior


Pessoal,

eu estou usando a versão oficial do texlive direto do CTAN pois está 
mais atualizada e tem um gerenciador de pacotes tex o tlmg que facilita 
muito a instalação de novos pacotes. O problema é que tenho que manter o 
texlive do debian tbm por causa de dependencias. Tem como eliminar esta 
dependencia do texlive do debian para eu ficar somente com o texlive do 
CTAN?


Valeu
Inte
Ronaldo

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apt-cache-ng

2012-05-26 Thread Ronaldo Reis Júnior


Pessoal,

eu instalei o apt-cache-ng. Aparentemente ta funcionando normal, mas 
quando os repositórios do cliente no source.list é um ftp ele não 
funciona, da timeout o tempo todo.


por exemplo:

deb ftp://linorg.usp.br/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free

não funciona, mas o:

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable contrib non-free main

funciona

seu que os dois repositórios funcionam pois sem o apt-cache-ng ele 
funcionam.


Alguma dica?

Valeu
Ronaldo

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Re: [OT] Laço FOR em script shell

2012-05-26 Thread Jacques de Beijer

Se quiser digitar pouco

cat user.txt
jacques

cat pass.txt
beijer

paste user.txt pass.txt  user_pass.txt

cat user_pass.txt
jacques beijer

Vim ou sed depois e tudo pronto!

Em 24 de maio de 2012 14:32, Francisco C Soares dotjun...@gmail.comescreveu:

  Boa tarde Samir,

 Tente isto:

 pr -m -t -s\  user.txt pass.txt

 Note que logo após o *-s\* existe dois espaços, depois os nomes dos
 arquivos.

 A saída do comando acima se parece com isto:
 maria 01234
 jose 12345
 junior 23456

 ___
 Francisco C Soares
 403790c89847cdbe5a262146de8fb93139c4



 On 05/24/2012 02:03 PM, Samir Patrice wrote:

 Fala galera,

  Desculpa pelo off-topic, mas tô com uma dúvida em shell script, até
 porque não sou muito bom nisso e ainda tô começando, mas alguém poderia me
 ajudar com um script?
 Tenho o seguinte cenário:
 - Dois arquivos chamados users.txt e senhas.txt e ambos estão nomes de
 usuário e senhas respectivamente nos arquivos.
 - Pra adicionar um usuário num determinado sistema eu tenho que digitar o
 comando (hipoteticamente) *#adduser usuario senha*
 - Nesse script eu teria que ter um laço *FOR* que buscaria no primeiro
 arquivo o nome do usuário e no segundo arquivo o a senha desse usuário.

  Alguém pode dar uma dica?

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Re: apt-cache-ng

2012-05-26 Thread Fred Maranhão

Em 26 de maio de 2012 10:48, Ronaldo Reis Júnior chryso...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Pessoal,

 eu instalei o apt-cache-ng.

só um detalhe, é apt-cacher-ng. tem um 'r' aí

 Aparentemente ta funcionando normal, mas quando
 os repositórios do cliente no source.list é um ftp ele não funciona, da
 timeout o tempo todo.

como está a configuração de usar o apt-cacher-ng no cliente?
normalmente fica em /etc/apt/apt.conf ou num dos arquivos de
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/


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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:51:16 +0100, Brian wrote:

On Fri 25 May 2012 at 16:56:51 +, Camaleón wrote:

On Fri, 25 May 2012 17:22:11 +0100, Brian wrote:

I suggest you have a look at how CUPS works. This statement is
exactly the opposite of what happens when a PostScript job is
submitted.

How is that? Both, printer and driver, share the same language.

Not quite. The PPD file/driver combination has to produce a file which,
when sent to the printer, is understandable by the printer. The
Gutenprint driver. for example, will always send PCL to an HP2200
because, even though the printer can understand PostScript, the driver
is designed to output only in the native language of the printer.

But that only happens when the printer does not natively support PS which
does not seem to be the case; according to the printer specs¹ it features
HP PCL 6, HP PCL 5e and HP Postscript Level 2 emulation.

CUPS in Debian turns any input file into PDF, apart from a PDF file, of
course. A PostScript file is filtered first by pstopdf, then by
pdftopdf. A PDF file would only be filtered by pdftopdf. If the PPD file
tells CUPS the printer wants PostScript it uses pdftops. Otherwise,
there are other filters for converting the PDF coming from pdftopdf into
the printer specific language.

The problem still remains: the PDF file is not able to be printed
properly, it can be either because of a corrupted file (badly-crafted), a
problem with the driver (that is not able to interpret the code of the
file) an error in CUPS, a problem within the application used to display
the file... to solve the problem we have to start discarding all these
things.

I've always understood (and that's also my own experience) is the
opposite. Even in windows, a PS driver it takes longer to proceed with
the job because PS uses a very descriptive and detailed language.

I wasn't concerned with speed as such but with your giving this as a
reason for saying '. . . no conversion is needed between the doc and the
printer' for a PS file.

When you are using a PPD which defines the capabilities of the printer
and how it has to behave and both (printer harwdare and printer driver)
speak a standard language (like PostScript) you're reducing the chances
for an error than when using any other emulated language such as PCL,
simply because PS is not device-dependant, but PCL is, meaning -for the
latter- that you completely rely on the printer's capablities and how your
device interprets the job you are sending to it.

¹http://h2.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=encc=ustaskId=120prodSeriesId=28861prodTypeId=18972prodSeriesId=28861objectID=bpl10417#A3

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Re: Dying Iceweasel.

On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:11:08 -0700, Peter Easthope wrote:

 On 25/05/12 09:49 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 Running testing is not a guaratee for having the latest versions of the
 programs, you have to check by your own, for instance, Wheezy has
 Icewasel 10.0 while Firefox is now 12 (so you can still test with
 Firefox 12 -download and run- and see what happens) and the same can
 happen with the flash player plugin, you can verify what version are
 you running from
 
 OK, I should have compared the outputs from dpkg -l more thoroughly. For
 example,
 peter@dalton:~$ dpkg -l iceweasel | grep ice 
 ii  iceweasel 12.0-7~bpo60+1  Web browser based on Firefox
 
 whereas,
 peter@armada:~$ dpkg -l iceweasel | grep ice 
 rc  iceweasel  3.5.16-15 Web browser based on Firefox .

Are you _still_ running 3.5.x? :-O

Wow... and you wonder why it closes in some sites? Update that legacy 
piece of code, sir. And don't be afraid, as I said, I'm _still_ using 
Lenny (oldstable) with Firefox 12 and life goes its way, flawlessly (I 
mean, Firefox seems to run smoothly with old distributions).

 Also I'd forgotten about,
 peter@dalton:~$ grep back /etc/apt/sources.list deb
 http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb
 http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release
 
 and there are no such entries in armada.  After these lines are added to
 armada:/etc/apt/sources.list, aptitude declines to update iceweasel
 claiming that the source is untrusted.  Months back I must have fixed
 aptitude configuration in dalton to allow untrusted sources and
 forgotten about that little detail.  Is there a straightforward way to
 deal with this?

Instructions for using those repos are detailed here:

http://mozilla.debian.net/

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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:45:47 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Fri 25 May 2012 at 17:17:53 +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:02:36 +0200, Joost Kraaijeveld wrote:
 
  It fails on all PDFs
 
 That sounds very strange...
 
 But important, do you not think, because the result is consistent.

Not sure what it means, it can point to:

1/ A problem within CUPS / drivers
2/ A problem within the program he uses to print the files

However... it makes no sense that works in one computer and fails in the 
other given that both share the same configuration and print the same 
files to the same printer.

  and I run the short test by printing page 1 of the Advanced Bas
  h−Scripting Guide.
 
 Try and put here the results of:
 
 1/ Converting the PDF into a PS file (still don't?) ;-)
 
 Suppose this extra conversion works: where does he go from there?
 Condemned for ever to always convert PDF to PS for every application he
 uses. :) The Flying Dutchman of Debian printing (sorry).

He should go to bugzilla, of course, where CUPS and printer experts are 
and with the results of the done tests and their results, what else? ;-)

 2/ Also, you can try to send the PDF job directly to the printer's
 queue (lp -d hp2200 your_file.pdf)
 
 This is essentially no different from the command used to print from
 most desktop applications.

You don't know what are the extra options every application adds when 
sends a job to the queue... we are testing and that's how the tests 
need to be done.

 3/ Use a generic PCL6 driver or try even with the latest PPD file(s)
 coming from the upstream hplip (3.12.4), i.e., hp-
 laserjet_2200_series.ppd and hp-laserjet_2200-pcl3.ppd.
 
 Not a method to be discarded. If it works it will mask the problem but
 that may be worthwhile progress for the OP. I do wonder, though, whether
 the upstream PPD files are more up-to-date or bug-free than the ones in
 Debian.

The version of the PPD files are printed in the same files. Again, trying 
won't harm.

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Re: OT: useless pedantic argumentative noise: aptitude changelog gives You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list

On Sat, 26 May 2012 01:48:15 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

 On Thu, 24 May 2012 15:00:17 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote in message
 jplie1$a15$1...@dough.gmane.org:
 
 On Wed, 23 May 2012 20:59:43 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 
  On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:41:06 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote in message
  jpj7fi$kr$2...@dough.gmane.org:
 
   ..that probably depends on the usefulness of your definition of
   $subject. ;o)
  
  There's no much room for guessing:
  
  ..no? ;o)
 
 Sure not. What's what you understand?
 
 ..er, why you carry onlike this? ;o)
 Withdrawn, yer'onnor! ;oD

(...)

I'm just trying you to understand what the problem of the OP _is_ but I'm 
starting to feel wasted with this and given the emptiness of your last 
comments, you neither seem to be interested on this. Game over.

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Re: OT Seach for Elaborate Address Book Program

On Fri, 25 May 2012 14:45:26 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:

 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 04:17:52PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:39:08 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:
 
  I am planning to put a vast array of handwritten notes into some kind
  of order.  Notes include names and associated information -
  addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, spouse's name, childrens'
  names, boat names, birthdays, misc information.
  
  An elaborate address book?  An apt-cache search addressbook found
  several programs.  rubric seemed the closest to meeting my needs but
  there was an installation problem:
  
  Unpacking replacement rubrica ...
(...)
  it wont work.
 
 It won't work or it does not work? I mean, despite the warning, can
 you run the application? :-?
 
 I meant the application will not run.

What's the output when you launch it from command line? If it does not 
work, you can report it.

  Any suggestions of other programs to consider?
 
 I use Thunderbird's addressbook to manage my contacts which can easily
 handled (importing/exporting) by means of LDIF format. But if search
 for a standalone application, how about dlume? Although I can't find
 the site of the project, maybe it has been discontinued? :-?
 
 I did checkout dlume which has multiple fields for phone numbers, email
 addresses and url's but much of my information would have to be dumped
 in the notes field.

Address books are not usually well suited for extended notes (even 
Thunderbird's has a small notes field), well... Oulook did a good job 
in this regard :-)

Anyway, beyond the integrated address books of the big PIM managers 
(Thunderbird, Evolution and Kmail) I don't know of any standalone, off-
line and GUI based application though I would like to see a java-based 
one...

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Re: Broken cups.

On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:09:23 -0500, Ed Siefker wrote:

(...)
 
 I have an HP2575 connected through the network.  I can print on this
 printer perfectly.
 My HP1300n is connected by USB.  I cannot print to this printer at all.

(...)

Try to print using the nework card (which is better -at least more 
stable- than USB). If it works, you can open a bug report for the USB 
connetivity problem.

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Re: Dying Iceweasel.

On Sat, 26 May 2012 10:09:41 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:11:08 -0700, Peter Easthope wrote:

(...)

 whereas,
 peter@armada:~$ dpkg -l iceweasel | grep ice 
 rc  iceweasel  3.5.16-15 Web browser based on Firefox .
 
 Are you _still_ running 3.5.x? :-O

Mmm, wait. 

I didn't notice before the rc which means the package was removed and 
the config files remain. I would first check what's the current status of 
that package (is installed, broken...?).

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..solved: useless pedantic argumentative noise: aptitude changelog gives You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list

2012-05-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen

On Sat, 26 May 2012 10:29:55 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote in message 
jpqbb3$dh7$6...@dough.gmane.org:

 On Sat, 26 May 2012 01:48:15 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

[...]
 
 I'm just trying you to understand what the problem of the OP _is_ but
 I'm starting to feel wasted with this and given the emptiness of your
 last comments, you neither seem to be interested on this. Game over.

..it is, it is.  Now, you may have missed a post (or 2?) in 
this thread, so here is where it all starts with OP's post:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/05/msg01735.html

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

2012-05-26 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 25 May 2012 18:23:37 Tom H wrote:
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Mika Suomalainen

mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote:
On 25.05.2012 15:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main

You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something
from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure
using pinning.

You can name the repositories stable instead of squeeze, so it will
use stable what ever Debian stable is named.

Is it safe to use stable instead of squeeze? Are there usually any
conflicts or anything what would need full-upgrade whenever new
stable is named?

No.

No need for aptitude full-upgrade, even apt-get upgrade/aptitude
safe-upgrade will pull in wheezy (partially) when it becomes
stable.

I prefer to use aptitude full-upgrade routinely - but I have the code name in
my sources.list, not stable or testing. I then change the code name when I
want to get the more recent version. So, Squeeze not stable, Muhammad. you
could get in quite a mess at the changeover point from Squeeze to Wheezy if
you have stable in your sources.list, as several people have pointed out.

if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything.
should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean
to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get
upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using
squeeze. because what i am worried about here is system crash.

I can't comment on your Windows analogies as I don't use Windows. I think
that you need to expect that Linux will be different from whatever you used
in Windows. They are very different OSs.

FWIW, I do most of my admin from the CLI, including updating and upgrading.
So yes, it can be done from the CLI.

Lisi

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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

On Sat 26 May 2012 at 09:58:31 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:51:16 +0100, Brian wrote:
  Not quite. The PPD file/driver combination has to produce a file which,
  when sent to the printer, is understandable by the printer. The
  Gutenprint driver. for example, will always send PCL to an HP2200
  because, even though the printer can understand PostScript, the driver
  is designed to output only in the native language of the printer.
 
 But that only happens when the printer does not natively support PS which 
 does not seem to be the case; according to the printer specs¹ it features 
 HP PCL 6, HP PCL 5e and HP Postscript Level 2 emulation.

No, it happens because there is a line like this

   *cupsFilter:application/vnd.cups-raster 100 rastertogutenprint.5.0

in the PPD file.
 
  CUPS in Debian turns any input file into PDF, apart from a PDF file, of
  course. A PostScript file is filtered first by pstopdf, then by
  pdftopdf. A PDF file would only be filtered by pdftopdf. If the PPD file
  tells CUPS the printer wants PostScript it uses pdftops. Otherwise,
  there are other filters for converting the PDF coming from pdftopdf into
  the printer specific language.
 
 The problem still remains: the PDF file is not able to be printed 
 properly, it can be either because of a corrupted file (badly-crafted), a 
 problem with the driver (that is not able to interpret the code of the 
 file) an error in CUPS, a problem within the application used to display 
 the file... to solve the problem we have to start discarding all these 
 things.

The OP has a PCL error on one machine. It is legitimate to use a PPD
file producing PostScript to see if it resolves the problem. Converting
the input file to PostScript before sending it to CUPS is something
entirely different and of doubtful merit.

  I wasn't concerned with speed as such but with your giving this as a
  reason for saying '. . . no conversion is needed between the doc and the
  printer' for a PS file.
 
 When you are using a PPD which defines the capabilities of the printer 
 and how it has to behave and both (printer harwdare and printer driver) 
 speak a standard language (like PostScript) you're reducing the chances 
 for an error than when using any other emulated language such as PCL, 
 simply because PS is not device-dependant, but PCL is, meaning -for the 
 latter- that you completely rely on the printer's capablities and how your 
 device interprets the job you are sending to it.

The standard language used for printing in Debian has been PDF for over
three years. There is no inherent benefit in inputting a PostScript file
to CUPS.

You are also confusing the input file with the file sent by a CUPS
backend to the printer. In the latter case, you reply completely on the
capabilities of the printer's interpreters whether the file contains
PostScript, PCL or any other language.



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Re: How to get new RSA key in known_hosts file?

2012-05-26 Thread Slavko

Ahoj,

Dňa Fri, 25 May 2012 23:08:05 +0100 Jon Dowland j...@debian.org napísal:

 On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 09:59:03PM +0200, Slavko wrote:
  then i see only one solution - delete/rename whole file and collect
  them from start.
 
 Well, yes - or resolve them one by one when you hit a host that has
 changed. In this situation, ssh will tell you which lines are
 troublesome.

i think, that i can live with useless entries now :-)

  Please, what security is here? When I know the hostname (IP) i can
  remove the host entry and then i can save new entry and i can show the
  key for this host too. Only one i cannot - to know which hosts are in
  the file...
 
 The point of the hashing is that if someone breaks into your computer and
 steals your private key, your known_hosts file could give them a list of
 other machines that are likely to accept your key. If the hosts are
 hashed, they don't know the hosts.

thanks, i understand now ;-)

i see that i cannot be attacker, because i don't know to think as
attacker :-P

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

2012-05-26 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
 In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not
 play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add
 a repo then  i must comment it after installing the whatever package

 Yesno. I'll say yes, somebody else might recommend
 http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html

i was reading this article and it is very helpful and something new
that i learned but i am a bit confuse. how come i be safe in this
technique because what this article is saying means if i wanted to
install a specific package this would be helpful and if the package is
not in the stable then apt will check in testing and finally in sid.
but what if i run apt-get upgrade then my question is, would it be
safe and will not upgrade my OS to sid or testing.

 Do you need src? Src repos provide source code only. You might need
 headers to compile src codes from sourceforge etc., but seldom a Debian
 src. Google if there is a stable stable-updates repository etc. too.


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Re: Broken cups.

2012-05-26 Thread Curt

On 2012-05-25, Ed Siefker ebs15...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am unable to print on my HP 1300n.   I have cups installed, along
 with hpijs and hplip.

There's lots of troubleshooting techniques here, if I'm understanding
your problem correctly:

http://hplipopensource.com/node/332


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Re: Radeon HD 3470 dual monitors on Squeeze

2012-05-26 Thread Rob Owens

On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 10:23:53AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
 On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 09:05:35AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
  I've been trying to get dual monitors to work on my Squeeze system.
  Originally I was using both the onboard video and an additional video
  card.  Now I have two monitors hooked up to the same video card (thanks
  to a cheap craigslist purchase).
  
  When I begin booting, both monitors give me a display.  But when the
  boot process gets to the point where text display changes (framebuffer
  turning on?) one monitor goes blank and I cannot get it working again,
  even when logged into a GUI.
  
  Both monitors work properly with Knoppix 6.4.4.  I tried using the
  Knoppix xorg.conf, but that did not work.  Here are some differences
  between Squeeze and Knoppix:
  
  Squeeze Knoppix
  kernel: 2.6.32-52.6.37
  xserver-xorg-video-radeon:  1:6.13.1-2  1:6.13.2-1
  libdrm-radeon1: 2.4.23-0.0  2.4.23-1
  radeontool: none1.6.1-1
  
  I don't know if the above differences are important or not.  
  
  Any ideas why one monitor always goes blank in Squeeze?
  
 I just tried booting with a Debian Live CD (Squeeze) and got the same
 behavior.  So at least I'm pretty sure that it's not something specific
 to my own configuration / modifications.
 
I tried installing xserver-xorg-video-radeon from backports, but that
did not help the situation.  Then I installed kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
from backports and now I have dual monitors working properly.  They work
with gnome-display-properties and by using xrandr at the command line.

I have not tried downgrading the radeon driver back to the version in
stable, so I'm not sure if it was the kernel itself that fixed my
problem or if it was the combination of kernel and radeon driver.

-Rob


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Re: Mythtv problem with versions

2012-05-26 Thread Rob Owens

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 02:53:17AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 02:12:57AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
  On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 07:08:53PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
   Here is the thread where I asked about maintaining compatibility.  I
   guess Christian Marillat either made a mistake or changed his mind.
 
 This explains the problem a bit better:
 http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2012-April/thread.html#25867
 
Ah, well that explains the recent name change from debian-multimedia.org to
deb-multimedia.org

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

2012-05-26 Thread keith

On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:43:45 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:

 if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything.
 should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean
 to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get
 upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using
 squeeze. because what i am worried about  here is system crash.

I can see you are getting confused; best practice suggests using the stable 
dist by name.(Currently Squeeze)

When you want to upgrade to the next stable version, replace squeeze with 
wheezy, in your /etc/apt/sources.list.

~~

My sources.list on a clean installation of Debian Squeeze 6.0.5, with the 
addition of non-free

deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

2012-05-26 Thread keith

On Sat, 26 May 2012 17:06:04 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:
 i was reading this article and it is very helpful and something new
 that i learned but i am a bit confuse. how come i be safe in this
 technique because what this article is saying means if i wanted to
 install a specific package this would be helpful and if the package is
 not in the stable then apt will check in testing and finally in sid.
 but what if i run apt-get upgrade then my question is, would it be
 safe and will not upgrade my OS to sid or testing.

When I upgraded squeeze to wheezy, i did -

apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade

My understanding is -

If you apt-get upgrade, you are updating your system (squeeze)

When you use apt-get dist-upgrade you change your system from squeeze to wheezy

If you install a package from wheezy/sid  it won't be upgraded until the 
version number is reached in the stable (i.e. squeeze) version.

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

2012-05-26 Thread Joe

On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:43:45 +0500
Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything.
 should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean
 to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get
 upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using
 squeeze. because what i am worried about  here is system crash.
 

Usually when a version of Stable is upgraded to the next, there will be
some things to do manually. If you have any software installed by other
means than the apt system, or from other repositories than the
official Debian ones, then that will need to be upgraded by hand, or
maybe even removed if that software is now available in the new version.
There may be some applications whose configuration files have changed
significantly, and cannot be automatically upgraded. There may be some
applications on hold, where you did not want them kept up to date even
at the risk of security bugs. Such holds must be released before
upgrading. So you don't want a version upgrade to happen without
preparation, and certainly not automatically on the day of the new
release.

It's a bit like automatic updates in Windows: you wouldn't enable that
on a server, you would want to check first and approve updates (and
possibly wait a week to see who else has problems..). If you are
installing a service pack, this is especially true, and a Debian
version upgrade is broadly similar to an MS service pack.

So if you use the codename of the distribution, the version upgrade
will not happen automatically, and this is generally what you want.
After the new version is released, you can take up to a year to prepare
for the upgrade, and carry it out at a time of your own choosing.

If you use the Stable distribution, with no apt sources other than the
official Debian ones, and use the codename in your sources list, you
should never expect to see any system disturbance. When you make the
upgrade to the next version, you shouldn't expect to see any problems
which have not been mentioned in the release notes for the upgrade.

As to which upgrade to use routinely, it's not too important in Stable.
Nothing should be removed under normal conditions, so aptitude
safe-upgrade or apt-get upgrade should have the same effect as aptitude
full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade. The apt-get and aptitude actions
are not absolutely identical, but very similar for routine upgrades, the
differences are in how dependencies are handled. Routine upgrades of
the Stable distribution do not normally involve any dependency changes.
The release notes for a version upgrade will normally advise which of
the two systems is preferred for the upgrade (e.g. apt-get for squeeze,
aptitude for lenny).

If you choose to run sid, the Unstable distribution, on a workstation,
you will learn Debian a little bit quicker, but you should expect
problems. You will need to look at upgrades before carrying them out,
as routine upgrades applied without thinking can damage sid, and this
happens once or twice a year. Much more often than that, sid will
ask if you want half of your desktop environment removed, and it's
usually safer to say no. There are typically 20-50 packages upgraded per
day in an 'average' sid system, and at any time there are two or three
needing upgrades but with problems preventing it happening.

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wheezy: ext4 or ext3

2012-05-26 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich

Hi list,

I am now a proud user of a ssd drive. As I cloned my system (which was 
installed 5 years ago) to the drive, the filesystem on the source drive is 
ext3.

On my new drive I chose ext4 (with luks encryption) for as far as I read, most 
people are using ext4 instead of ext3 on ssd drives.
Is this really recommended? 

And if yes, should I change the filesystem from ext3 to ext4 on my old spin 
drive? I think, this can be done with tune2fs (when I remember correctly), 
without any loss of data. If I am wrong, please point me to the correct tool.

Most important thing for me is speed and security, and, of course, lifetime of 
the ssd is also important. I added noatime and discard to /etc/fstab, hope 
this is correct.

Just a last question: During installation, I forgot, how I formatted the / 
partition (ext3 or ext4?). Is there a way, to find out, how it is formatted? 
Strangely, the option discard in /etc/fstab seem not to work on this 
particular partition.

Thanks for any help!

Best regards

Hans
 



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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:01:16 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Sat 26 May 2012 at 09:58:31 +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:51:16 +0100, Brian wrote:
  Not quite. The PPD file/driver combination has to produce a file
  which, when sent to the printer, is understandable by the printer.
  The Gutenprint driver. for example, will always send PCL to an HP2200
  because, even though the printer can understand PostScript, the
  driver is designed to output only in the native language of the
  printer.
 
 But that only happens when the printer does not natively support PS
 which does not seem to be the case; according to the printer specs¹ it
 features HP PCL 6, HP PCL 5e and HP Postscript Level 2 emulation.
 
 No, it happens because there is a line like this
 
*cupsFilter:application/vnd.cups-raster 100
rastertogutenprint.5.0
 
 in the PPD file.

There's no cupsFilter: line in any of PPD files so maybe the printer is 
not a true PostScript printer or uses a slightly different implementation 
developed by HP.

  CUPS in Debian turns any input file into PDF, apart from a PDF file,
  of course. A PostScript file is filtered first by pstopdf, then by
  pdftopdf. A PDF file would only be filtered by pdftopdf. If the PPD
  file tells CUPS the printer wants PostScript it uses pdftops.
  Otherwise, there are other filters for converting the PDF coming from
  pdftopdf into the printer specific language.
 
 The problem still remains: the PDF file is not able to be printed
 properly, it can be either because of a corrupted file (badly-crafted),
 a problem with the driver (that is not able to interpret the code of
 the file) an error in CUPS, a problem within the application used to
 display the file... to solve the problem we have to start discarding
 all these things.
 
 The OP has a PCL error on one machine. It is legitimate to use a PPD
 file producing PostScript to see if it resolves the problem. Converting
 the input file to PostScript before sending it to CUPS is something
 entirely different and of doubtful merit.

Converting the file to PS with a success result when printing could be of 
interest for people in the know, that is, developers. It also can be a 
workaround to get the job done until a proper solution applies. I don't 
care about merits (dude, this is not a race!) but getting a problem 
resolved with a solution that can fit the user needings.

  I wasn't concerned with speed as such but with your giving this as a
  reason for saying '. . . no conversion is needed between the doc and
  the printer' for a PS file.
 
 When you are using a PPD which defines the capabilities of the printer
 and how it has to behave and both (printer harwdare and printer driver)
 speak a standard language (like PostScript) you're reducing the
 chances for an error than when using any other emulated language such
 as PCL, simply because PS is not device-dependant, but PCL is, meaning
 -for the latter- that you completely rely on the printer's capablities
 and how your device interprets the job you are sending to it.
 
 The standard language used for printing in Debian has been PDF for over
 three years. There is no inherent benefit in inputting a PostScript file
 to CUPS.

I assure there is. 

Again, I'm tired of seeing these kind problems with PDF, TIFF and PS 
files (here at the office we do fax a lot and it's very common to see a 
user with problems when printing hylafax produced files). We also have a 
set of different printers (HP Laserjet, Ricoh and Oki) so we're very 
accustomed to these problems, even from windows machines...

 You are also confusing the input file with the file sent by a CUPS
 backend to the printer. In the latter case, you reply completely on the
 capabilities of the printer's interpreters whether the file contains
 PostScript, PCL or any other language.

If the printer does support PostScript and uses a PS driver, the above is 
completely irrelevant.

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Re: wheezy: ext4 or ext3

2012-05-26 Thread Claudius Hubig

Hello Hans-J.,

Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
 On my new drive I chose ext4 (with luks encryption) for as far as I read, 
 most 
 people are using ext4 instead of ext3 on ssd drives.
 Is this really recommended? 

ext4 provides shorter recovery/file system check times, which I
really like. Apart from that, I don’t think there are many
differences between the two visible to the normal user.

 And if yes, should I change the filesystem from ext3 to ext4 on my old spin 
 drive? I think, this can be done with tune2fs (when I remember correctly), 
 without any loss of data. If I am wrong, please point me to the correct tool.

I think so, too, but have never tried that.
 
 Most important thing for me is speed and security, and, of course, lifetime 
 of 
 the ssd is also important. I added noatime and discard to /etc/fstab, hope 
 this is correct.

If you have a reasonably modern SSD, lifetime normally should not be
a problem. Of course, noatime helps nevertheless (if only by speeding
up things and giving you fewer reasons to throw the laptop around
impatiently :)).
 
 Just a last question: During installation, I forgot, how I formatted the / 
 partition (ext3 or ext4?). Is there a way, to find out, how it is formatted? 
 Strangely, the option discard in /etc/fstab seem not to work on this 
 particular partition.

The output of ‘mount’ should contain the file system, for example:

/dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 
(rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=5,barrier=1,data=writeback)
/dev/mapper/ares0-root on / type ext4 
(rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered)
 

Best regards,

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Re: OT Seach for Elaborate Address Book Program

2012-05-26 Thread Thomas H. George

Thanks for all the suggestions.  I wrote several large programs in
Pascal ten years ago but nothing since then.  I'll take a quick look to
see if it all comes back to me, otherwise I'll check out the other
suggestions.  The appeal of programming is the ability to add features
as they occur to me in the future.

Tom


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Re: MySQL upgrade from 5.1 to 5.5

On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:06:01 -0400, Brad Alexander wrote:

 I did an upgrade on my mediawiki box the other day to fix some security
 issues. Well, in the mix, mysql-common was upgraded from
 mysql-common_5.1.62-1 to mysql-common 5.5.23+dfsg-1. Nothing happened
 until last night when we took a power hit due to a storm, and when it
 rebooted, I got
 
 May 25 09:49:06 sisko mysqld[31214]: 120525  9:49:06 [ERROR] 
 /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'lc-messages-dir=/usr/share/mysql'

(...)

Have you tried what the message suggests? That is, comment the lc-
messages-dir setting in /etc/mysql/my.cnf.

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whezzy + hostapd + ath9k = random fail

2012-05-26 Thread Gary Trotcko

Hi all. I got a problem with my soft AP.

I got an old PC running as router which has 3 NIC and 1 wifi PCI card
TP-Link TL-WN751ND. This box runs Debian Wheezy, hostapd, dhcpd etc.
The problem is that AP randomly gets unreachable for the clients while
hostapd is running and its interface is up. In fact, this router had
been working in 6 day w/o any problems since I set it up until the
yesterday.

What interfaces I have exactly:

eth0 is down (3Com)
eth1 gets IP from ISP DHCP (Realtek)
eth2 takes IP for my LAN over DHCPD
ppp0 - it's an ISP VPN over PPTP

Configuration:
---
$ cat /etc/debian_version
wheezy/sid

$ uname -r
3.2.0-2-686-pae

dpkg -l | grep linux-image
ii  linux-image-2.6-686  3.2+44
Linux for modern PCs (dummy package)
ii  linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae  3.2.17-1
Linux 3.2 for modern PCs
ii  linux-image-686-pae  3.2+44
Linux for modern PCs (meta-package)

$ hostapd -v
hostapd v1.0
User space daemon for IEEE 802.11 AP management,
IEEE 802.1X/WPA/WPA2/EAP/RADIUS Authenticator
Copyright (c) 2002-2010, Jouni Malinen j...@w1.fi and contributors

$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics
Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133
(CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801AA PCI Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801AA ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801AA IDE Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801AA USB Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801AA SMBus Controller (rev 02)
01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 06)
01:08.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9227
Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
01:09.0 Ethernet controller: Sundance Technology Inc / IC Plus Corp IC
Plus IP100A Integrated 10/100 Ethernet MAC + PHY (rev 31)
01:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
01:0b.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]

eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:60:97:d8:dd:ea
  inet addr:192.168.120.184  Bcast:192.168.120.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::260:97ff:fed8:ddea/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:431713 errors:74 dropped:682 overruns:59 frame:0
  TX packets:171981 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:283031893 (269.9 MiB)  TX bytes:21389936 (20.3 MiB)
  Interrupt:10 Base address:0xd800

eth2  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 14:da:e9:a7:21:33
  inet addr:192.168.1.1  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::16da:e9ff:fea7:2133/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:276872 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:338010 errors:1 dropped:30 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:23357782 (22.2 MiB)  TX bytes:278728804 (265.8 MiB)
  Interrupt:11 Base address:0xdc00

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:436 (436.0 B)  TX bytes:436 (436.0 B)

mon.wlan0 Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr
B0-48-7A-E3-AE-0F-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
  inet addr:80.242.96.16  P-t-P:195.66.139.23  Mask:255.255.255.255
  UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1400  Metric:1
  RX packets:225471 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:142471 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
  RX bytes:252918981 (241.2 MiB)  TX bytes:11957326 (11.4 MiB)

wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr b0:48:7a:e3:ae:0f
  inet addr:192.168.2.1  Bcast:192.168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::b248:7aff:fee3:ae0f/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:252 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:420 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:31491 (30.7 KiB)  TX bytes:240068 (234.4 KiB)


$ iwconfig
wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn

Re: how to update Debian OS properly

On Saturday 26 May 2012 12:43:45 you wrote:
  I prefer to use aptitude full-upgrade routinely - but I have the code
  name in my sources.list, not stable or testing.  I then change the code
  name when I want to get the more recent version.  So, Squeeze not stable,
  Muhammad.  you could get in quite a mess at the changeover point from
  Squeeze to Wheezy if you have stable in your sources.list, as several
  people have pointed out.

 if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything.
 should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean
 to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get
 upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using
 squeeze. because what i am worried about  here is system crash.

I'm afraid that I don't understand you. Why should you have a system crash?  
And what are you trying to achieve?

Always use code names, and incidentally Sid is the code-name for unstable, a 
code-name which never changes.

So choose which you want.  From the sound of things you want Squeeze.  Install 
Squeeze.  Check that Squeeze is in your sources.list, and only Squeeze at 
this stage.  No mention of stable or anything else.  Update Squeeze.  
(aptitude update followed by aptitude full-upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade.) 
From then on you will only basically get security updates, though there are 
periodic point releases for Squeeze to iron out some remaining bugs etc.

For now, and while you bed down with Debian/Linux, simply ignore all mentions 
of Wheezy, stable, Sid, unstable, testing etc.  Time enough to come to terms 
with those when you understand fully what is going on or when Wheezy has 
become Stable and Squeeze is Old Stable.

apt is now preferred to aptitude by many on this list, but I am more familiar 
with aptitude, and might have got the commands slightly wrong had I attempted 
to give you them.  (I did last time that I did so.)  But for what you are 
doing now, either is fine, and when it comes to upgrading to a new release, 
the release notes will tell you which to use.

But above all, keep things simple for now.  And when you ask a question, try 
to express it without reference to Windows.  Many of us do not use Windows, 
and in my case I have not done so since Windows 98, which I don't remember 
very well.

HTH
Lisi


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Re: Playing Video - More questions -- Please --- some answers -- I'm stuck

On Fri, 25 May 2012 01:06:39 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:

(...)

Let us assume that the file is foo.avi

1] What is the command line, using mencoder, for converting foo.avi to
foo.mov.

http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=mencoder+from+avi+to+mov

The key here is the support for Apple Quicktime format (.mov). May I ask
why are you interested in that media container?

2] What is the command line, using mplayer, for playing foo.mov.

http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=mplayer+play+mov+files

3] What is the HTML5 code, using with the video tag, for playing
foo.mov.

http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tag_video.asp

http://developer.apple.com/library/safari/#documentation/AudioVideo/Conceptual/Using_HTML5_Audio_Video/AudioandVideoTagBasics/AudioandVideoTagBasics.html

But pelase, make us (us → Internet users) a favor and consider using
whatever open source video container you prefer instead that mov
thingy ;-)

4] Using the answer to #2, can we force foo.mov to be played with
mplayer.

Kindly expand that... file association (mime types) are defined within
your DE or VM and thus is a user dependant setting.

a]I do not seem to be able to fine a mplayer plug-in.

A plugin for your browser? What browser?

b]I understand that Quicktime will play foo.mov. How do I
force that to happen? I have the plug-in, but seems that I cannot find
in the preferences an option to force the Quicktime plugin.

Quicktime should dissapear in the same way flashplayer should. That said,
it's ages since I have not opened a mov file (neither locally nor embedded
inside html code) though my about:plugins page says it could be possible:

***
QuickTime Plug-in 7.2.0

Archivo: libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so
Versión:
The Totem 2.22.2 plugin handles video and audio streams.

Tipo MIME Descripción Sufijos
video/quicktime vídeo QuickTime mov
video/mp4 vídeo MPEG-4mp4
image/x-macpaintimagen en mapa de bits de MacPaint pntg
image/x-quicktime imagen QuickTimepict, pict1,
pict2
video/x-m4v vídeo MPEG-4m4v
***

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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

On Sat 26 May 2012 at 13:30:27 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:01:16 +0100, Brian wrote:
 
 There's no cupsFilter: line in any of PPD files so maybe the printer is 
 not a true PostScript printer or uses a slightly different implementation 
 developed by HP.

That is not relevant to the point I made but, to satisfy your curiosity:
if there no *cupsFilter line in a PPD file then CUPS assumes the printer
requires a backend to send it PostScript. Nothing to do with a 'true
PostScript printer', whatever that might be. Either the printer has a
PostScript interpreter or it doesn't. Many manufacturers implement their
own anyway.

[Snip]

  The standard language used for printing in Debian has been PDF for over
  three years. There is no inherent benefit in inputting a PostScript file
  to CUPS.
 
 I assure there is.

But at least you have discarded PostScript is a raw language, no
conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . . as a
reason and accept the filter chain is

   PDF file --- PS file --- CUPS --- PDF file

Is it a comfort getting back to where you started?

[Snip]

  You are also confusing the input file with the file sent by a CUPS
  backend to the printer. In the latter case, you reply completely on the
  capabilities of the printer's interpreters whether the file contains
  PostScript, PCL or any other language.
 
 If the printer does support PostScript and uses a PS driver, the above is 
 completely irrelevant.

I have a feeling you may have returned to PostScript is a raw language,
no conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . . idea.
Hope I'm wrong.


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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:26:34 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Sat 26 May 2012 at 13:30:27 +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:01:16 +0100, Brian wrote:
 
 There's no cupsFilter: line in any of PPD files so maybe the printer
 is not a true PostScript printer or uses a slightly different
 implementation developed by HP.
 
 That is not relevant to the point I made but, to satisfy your curiosity:
 if there no *cupsFilter line in a PPD file then CUPS assumes the printer
 requires a backend to send it PostScript. Nothing to do with a 'true
 PostScript printer', whatever that might be. Either the printer has a
 PostScript interpreter or it doesn't. Many manufacturers implement their
 own anyway.

It's not that simple. There are some printes (mostly the low-end models) 
that can simulate a PostScript level in a way that only the 
manufacturer knows, not standarized, thus you still depend on the quality 
of the manufacturer's driver.

  The standard language used for printing in Debian has been PDF for
  over three years. There is no inherent benefit in inputting a
  PostScript file to CUPS.
 
 I assure there is.
 
 But at least you have discarded PostScript is a raw language, no
 conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . . as a
 reason and accept the filter chain is
 
PDF file --- PS file --- CUPS --- PDF file
 
 Is it a comfort getting back to where you started?

No conversion is needed because the printer understands the PostScript 
language, it's not device dependant. I don't know how to express it 
better but is not that hard to understand.

  You are also confusing the input file with the file sent by a CUPS
  backend to the printer. In the latter case, you reply completely on
  the capabilities of the printer's interpreters whether the file
  contains PostScript, PCL or any other language.
 
 If the printer does support PostScript and uses a PS driver, the above
 is completely irrelevant.
 
 I have a feeling you may have returned to PostScript is a raw language,
 no conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . . idea.
 Hope I'm wrong.

No, you're not, but this is not going to help the OP to solve his problem.

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Re: Re Installing Squeeze with Firmware

On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:33:55 +0100, antispammbox-deb...@yahoo.it wrote:

 Hi all

Please, keep the messages that share a same subject/topic in the same 
thread, it will help other users to follow your posts. Also, avoid using 
html :-)
 
 I today try install Squeeze on laptop Hp Compaq nc600, with stick write
 with cat fileiso.iso  /dev/sdb

(you missed the sync command)

Okay, and what's the result?
 
 Regards
  
  
 Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt  ask me choice from two netcard.
 I try another with stick created with unetbooting, only
 (initrd.gz-vmlinuz) StableNetinstall
 After 10 minutes, appears on screen request choice from! eth0:Broadcom
 Nextreme
 and Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla

(...)

And the error now is...? Or what's what you're trying to tell us?

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Problems with flashplayer on a new installation of Squeeze.

Is there a solution to the following problem?  (See below) I see that the bug 
was reported two years ago, so I am tempted to go for purge, but that may 
leave some detritus. :-(

And if I were to purge flashplugin-nonfree, what could I install that would 
actually work to play flash?

Would I do better to scrap, what is a very new installation of Squeeze - this 
was part of the installation process - and reinstall?

Thanks,
Lisi

root@Squeeze:/home/john# aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  flashplugin-nonfree
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
Need to get 17.9 kB of archives. After unpacking 135 kB will be used.
Get:1 http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ squeeze/contrib
flashplugin-nonfree amd64 1:2.8.2 [17.9 kB]
Fetched 17.9 kB in 0s (50.4 kB/s)
Selecting previously deselected package flashplugin-nonfree.
(Reading database ... 136074 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking flashplugin-nonfree (from
.../flashplugin-nonfree_1%3a2.8.2_amd64.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Setting up flashplugin-nonfree (1:2.8.2) ...
ERROR: wget failed to download
http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc


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Re: Install Squeeze with firmware

2012-05-26 Thread Antispammbox-debian




Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt  ask me choice from two netcard.
I try another with stick created with unetbooting, only (initrd.gz-vmlinuz)
StableNetinstall
After 10 minutes, appears on screen request choice from! eth0:Broadcom
Nextreme
and Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla


The log is this:

Log for Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt

/*

May 25 07:28:22 syslogd started: BusyBox v1.17.1

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: klogd started: BusyBox v1.17.1 (Debian 1:1.17.1-8)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Linux version 2.6.32-5-486 (Debian
2.6.32-45) (da...@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 Sun
May 6 03:29:22 UTC 2012

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] KERNEL supported cpus:

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Intel GenuineIntel

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] AMD AuthenticAMD

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] NSC Geode by NSC

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Cyrix CyrixInstead

May 25
07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Centaur CentaurHauls

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Transmeta GenuineTMx86

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] Transmeta TransmetaCPU

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] UMC UMC UMC UMC

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-provided physical RAM map:

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820:  -
0009fc00 (usable)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 -
000a (reserved)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 000e -
0010 (reserved)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 0010 -
3ffd (usable)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 3ffd -
3fff0c00 (reserved)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel:
[ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 3fff0c00 -
3fffc000 (ACPI NVS)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] BIOS-e820: 3fffc000 -
4000 (reserved)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] DMI 2.3 present.

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] last_pfn = 0x3ffd0 max_arch_pfn =
0x10

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] MTRR default type: uncachable

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] MTRR fixed ranges enabled:

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 0-9 write-back

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] A-B uncachable

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] C-C write-protect

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] D-E uncachable

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] F-F write-protect

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] MTRR variable ranges
enabled:

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 0 base 0 mask FC000
write-back

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 1 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 2 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 3 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 4 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 5 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 6 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 7 disabled

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] PAT not supported by CPU.

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] initial memory mapped : 0 - 0180

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] init_memory_mapping:
-377fe000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 00 - 40 page 4k

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 40 -
003740 page 2M

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 003740 - 00377fe000 page 4k

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] kernel direct mapping tables up to
377fe000 @ 7000-c000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] RAMDISK: 2fb2d000 - 3001b121

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: RSDP 000f6f80 00014 (v00 COMPAQ)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: RSDT 3fff0c84 0002C (v01 HP HP0890
23070420 CPQ 0001)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: FACP 3fff0c00 00084 (v02 HP HP0890
0002 CPQ 0001)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: DSDT 3fff0cb0 062D9 (v01 HP nc6000
0001 MSFT 010E)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: FACS 3fffbe80 00040

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] ACPI: SSDT 3fff6f89 0028A (v01 COMPAQ
CPQGysr 1001 MSFT 010E)

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 135MB HIGHMEM available.

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] 887MB LOWMEM available.

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] mapped low ram: 0 - 377fe000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] low ram: 0 - 377fe000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] node 0 low ram:  - 377fe000

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] node 0 bootmap 8000 - ef00

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] (7 early reservations) == bootmem
[00 - 00377fe000]

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] #0 [00 - 001000] BIOS data
page == [00 - 001000]

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] #1 [000100 - 0001453a90] TEXT DATA
BSS == [000100 - 0001453a90]

May 25 07:28:22 kernel: [ 0.00] #2 [002fb2d000 - 003001b121]

Re: Install Squeeze with firmware

On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:13:36 +0200, Antispammbox-debian wrote:

 Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt  ask me choice from two netcard.
 I try another with stick created with unetbooting, only
 (initrd.gz-vmlinuz) StableNetinstall
 After 10 minutes, appears on screen request choice from! eth0:Broadcom
 Nextreme
 and Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla

(...)

No need to repeat the same again: I asked for the error you get explained 
in plain words. Continue continue and bla, bla tells not much about 
what you're doing and what's the problem _now_.

Greetings,

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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

On Sat 26 May 2012 at 15:53:03 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:26:34 +0100, Brian wrote:
 
  But at least you have discarded PostScript is a raw language, no
  conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . . as a
  reason and accept the filter chain is
  
 PDF file --- PS file --- CUPS --- PDF file
  
  Is it a comfort getting back to where you started?
 
 No conversion is needed because the printer understands the PostScript 
 language, it's not device dependant. I don't know how to express it 
 better but is not that hard to understand.
 
  I have a feeling you may have returned to PostScript is a raw language,
  no conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . . . . idea.
  Hope I'm wrong.
 
 No, you're not, . . .

Taking this statement, and the previous one, it is evident you are
basing an argument on the behaviour of a filtering method in CUPS which
has not existed in Debian (and Redhat and Suse) for at least three
years. We have different understandings, which make it impossible to
compare two different conclusions in a meaningful way. Basically, a
conclusion derived from a view of reality which is wrong is without any
validity.

. . .  but this is not going to help the OP to solve his problem.

He can make his own mind up on that. I'd like think there is enough in
this thread to get him started.


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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

2012-05-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Sb, 26 mai 12, 13:39:26, keith wrote:
 
 My understanding is -
 
 If you apt-get upgrade, you are updating your system (squeeze)
 
 When you use apt-get dist-upgrade you change your system from squeeze to 
 wheezy

No, see 'man apt-get' for the difference between the two.

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Re: Install Squeeze with firmware

On Sat 26 May 2012 at 16:35:07 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Sat, 26 May 2012 18:13:36 +0200, Antispammbox-debian wrote:
 
  Experimental2: syslog-unetbooting.txt  ask me choice from two netcard.
  I try another with stick created with unetbooting, only
  (initrd.gz-vmlinuz) StableNetinstall
  After 10 minutes, appears on screen request choice from! eth0:Broadcom
  Nextreme
  and Wlan: Atheros bla bla bla
 
 (...)
 
 No need to repeat the same again: I asked for the error you get explained 
 in plain words. Continue continue and bla, bla tells not much about 
 what you're doing and what's the problem _now_.

Antispammbox-debian must have succeeded in installing the required
firmware as he is offered eth0 as a choice at the configuring the
network stage. He needs to choose eth0 - not wlan0.


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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

2012-05-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Vi, 25 mai 12, 15:36:40, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
  In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not
  play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add
  a repo then  i must comment it after installing the whatever package
 
 Yesno. I'll say yes, somebody else might recommend
 http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html

That article, while still useful,

- mentions non-US which has been discontinued long time ago (sarge?)
- uses sources + pinning by release not code-name[1]

[1] this may be due to a bug in apt where pinning by codename was not 
possible, fixed in the meantime (lenny?).

I seem to remember the Debian Reference has a good guide to pinning and 
it is up-to-date (thanks to Osamu Aoki).

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On Saturday 26 May 2012 18:04:35 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 I seem to remember the Debian Reference has a good guide to pinning and
 it is up-to-date (thanks to Osamu Aoki).

Given the OP's confusion, and the fact that he states his main aim as not 
crashing, would he not do better to stick to pure Squeeze for now?  

Hopefully, more use of Linux will enable him to stop trying to mimic Windows - 
a job which Windows itself does rather well ;-)

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Re: Wheezy printing problem: 2 identical (?) machines and 1 does not print PDFs

On Sat, 26 May 2012 17:48:41 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Sat 26 May 2012 at 15:53:03 +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:26:34 +0100, Brian wrote:

  I have a feeling you may have returned to PostScript is a raw
  language, no conversion is needed between the doc and the printer . .
  . . idea. Hope I'm wrong.
 
 No, you're not, . . .
 
 Taking this statement, and the previous one, it is evident you are
 basing an argument on the behaviour of a filtering method in CUPS which
 has not existed in Debian (and Redhat and Suse) for at least three
 years. We have different understandings, which make it impossible to
 compare two different conclusions in a meaningful way. Basically, a
 conclusion derived from a view of reality which is wrong is without any
 validity.

This is not a Debian specific behavior nor related to how CUPS works in 
different distributions. It's about the difference between a PostScript 
driver/printer and PCL (or another printer languages), and the 
differences are *huge*.

 . . .  but this is not going to help the OP to solve his problem.
 
 He can make his own mind up on that. I'd like think there is enough in
 this thread to get him started.

Let's hope so.

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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

2012-05-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf

FWIW, sometime ago this book was announced here:
http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/


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Re: wheezy: ext4 or ext3

2012-05-26 Thread Steven Post

On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 15:36 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote:
 Hello Hans-J.,
 
 Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
  On my new drive I chose ext4 (with luks encryption) for as far as I read, 
  most 
  people are using ext4 instead of ext3 on ssd drives.
  Is this really recommended? 
 
 ext4 provides shorter recovery/file system check times, which I
 really like. Apart from that, I don’t think there are many
 differences between the two visible to the normal user.

If you deal a lot with file transfers you may find that ext4 is faster.

 
  And if yes, should I change the filesystem from ext3 to ext4 on my old spin 
  drive? I think, this can be done with tune2fs (when I remember correctly), 
  without any loss of data. If I am wrong, please point me to the correct 
  tool.
 
 I think so, too, but have never tried that.

I have, and I can comfirm that this really works, you can use the ext4
driver to mount ext3 as well, just to benefit from the improved code,
and you can always revert back to plain ext3 when doing this.
You can also use the new ext4 features, but then you will not be able to
mount it as ext3 again, only ext4.

  
  Most important thing for me is speed and security, and, of course, lifetime 
  of 
  the ssd is also important. I added noatime and discard to /etc/fstab, hope 
  this is correct.
 
 If you have a reasonably modern SSD, lifetime normally should not be
 a problem. Of course, noatime helps nevertheless (if only by speeding
 up things and giving you fewer reasons to throw the laptop around
 impatiently :)).
  

Ext4 will give you some speed gain when booting, perhaps not that much,
but certainly there is some improvement.

Should you choose to convert to ext4, there are plenty how-to's on the
internet such as this one:
https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4

Kind regards,
Steven


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Re: how to update Debian OS properly

2012-05-26 Thread keith

On Sat, 26 May 2012 19:57:19 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sb, 26 mai 12, 13:39:26, keith wrote:
  
  My understanding is -
  
  If you apt-get upgrade, you are updating your system (squeeze)
  
  When you use apt-get dist-upgrade you change your system from squeeze to 
  wheezy
 
 No, see 'man apt-get' for the difference between the two.
 
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I was wrong about dist-upgrade, as has been pointed out above.

(Sorry for the bum steer; but when I 'changed' from squeeze to wheezy I did use 
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[Solved (kind of)] Re: Installing Wheezy on btrfs only (multi-device)

2012-05-26 Thread Steven Post

On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 03:11 +0200, Steven Post wrote:

It's been a while since I replied to this thread, and since I solved it
(well.. kind of...) I thought I'd mention how I got this working in the
end and also what happens when a drive fails.
I don't have a blog, so I'll give it all here, it'll be a pretty long
read. Perhaps only interesting to some.

 Another attempt, mixed success.
 I created the btrfs filesystem using the ubuntu live cd (2 subvolumes, 1
 for the root fs, 1 for /home, and set rootfs as the default subvolume),
 then started the Debian installation again from the daily netinstall
 iso.
[...]
 
 The installer only fails to install the grub bootloader, I think because
 it cannot detect the multi-device btrfs file system.
 I then opted for skipping installing a bootloader, figuring I could do
 it afterwards in rescue mode. Installer finishes up without any further
 problems.


As far as I know GRUB supports only single device btrfs file systems,
not multi-device. Having a single device btrfs for /boot would defeat
the idea of raid for /boot so I opted for something else.

All 6 drives have a 3 partitions, a very small one for BIOS boot, a
larger one (1GB) so /boot will fit (with a lot of space left), and the
rest is a single partition of about 2.7 TB. The last 2 partitions are
Linux partitions, the default gdisk suggests.

Next I use an Ununtu 12.04 install disk to setup my raid 10 btrfs volume
using the third (large) partition from each drive.
I create a couple of subvolumes for different purposes (one for the root
file system (/), one for /home etc..
Next I mark the subvolume for the root fs as the default subvolume (when
working with subvolumes this is needed because of the limitations in the
Debian installer).

Once btrfs is set up I restart the machine with the Wheezy netinstaller.
I choose a standard install and proceeded through the installer until I
got to the partitioner. When I'm in the partitioner, I use ctrl+alt+F2
to switch to a console. After pressing enter I'm greeted with a root
prompt, from here I issued a btrfs device scan using btrfsctl -a as
the installer doesn't have the btrfs command. I can then switch back to
the partitioner using ctrl+alt+F1 and mark the 3rd partition from one of
the 6 drives as my root filesystem (/) using btrfs as the filesystem,
making sure to have the option keep existing data enabled.

Still in the partitioner I choose to setup raid, I choose a md raid1
setup using 3 devices and 3 spares, these are the second partitions from
each drive. This array I mark for use with ext4, although I think btrfs
on top of this raid array would work, although I haven't tried it. I
proceed to mark this ext4 partition as /boot.

With both / and /boot I can continue with the install, notice I don't
have a swap partition, but in this case I felt I didn't need one,
everyone is free to add that if they want to or I can add it later
should the need arises. Anyway, I just continue the install as with any
system and once it is completed, I tell the installer to install grub on
every device, should a device fail, I can still boot the system.

After installation is complete I still need the installer (rescue mode)
or some live cd to fix /etc/fstab so it doesn't hang trying to do an
fsck on the btrfs root fs. When all this is done I can finally boot the
new system.

Now when a drive fails, as happened earlier today (I don't know why, but
I'll get a replacement this Tuesday), the system will fail to boot
properly after removing that drive, you are dropped in a busybox shell
and options are limited. Don't be alarmed, this is because the root
filesystem refuses to mount with a missing drive. In the mean time my
raid1 for /boot has taken a space device and is syncing it with the
other 2. I let it sync before continuing. When the syncing is done, I
reboot and when I get to the GRUB boot prompt I press 'e' to edit.
I look for the line starting with 'linux /vmlinuz' and add a rootflag
giving me something like this:
linux /vmlinuz-3.2.0-2-AMD64 root=UUID={some long uuid}
rootflags=degraded ro quiet

Adding this 'degraded' rootflag allows you're kernel to mount the root
filesystem again. Once started you can remove the missing drive from the
btrfs array and issue a btrfs filesystem balance / (provided you still
have enough space to mirror everything with that missing drive and at
least 4 drives), leaving you with a raid 10 system with 5 drives.

Later on I can shutdown the system (it's not hot swappable in my case),
add the new hard drive, partition it like before, add one partition to
the /boot raid array as a spare device, and add the large partition to
the btrfs array, balance again and I'm good to go.
If you have a replacement lying around, or not enough free space for the
balance with a drive out, you can omit that step and just add it right
away. But always balance after adding the device.

Should anyone have any comments or improvements, please them know. I'm
not such an

Motion M1400 tablet upgrade woe

2012-05-26 Thread chris dunn

I'm trying to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy on a Motion M1400 tablet
and seem to have hit the wall.

Initially I had Squeeze installed, and I tried to upgrade via Synaptic
simply by changing the repositories from Squeeze-Updates to Wheezy,
reloading, then marking upgrades and applying.

This started ok but ran into a problem when I was told that the latest
686 kernel had bits that would not work on my single processor M1400.
I was informed that I needed to uninstall my 686 kernel and install a
486 kernel. Since there seemed to be no way of exiting the upgrade in
progress in order to achieve this, I shut the machine down after
deciding to reinstall from scratch. 

Reinstalled Squeeze from a cd using expert install, and selecting the
486 kernel to be installed. All went well and I now had a working M1400
with Squeeze on it.

Then attempted via Synaptic to again upgrade to Wheezy by changing the
repositories from Squeeze-Updates to Wheezy. All went well and
indications were that 1,646 packages would be installed or upgraded, 36
removed, and one held back.

I reached as far as the Installing and Removing Software window and
the completion bar had reached about 60% completion when the entire
system froze up. 

The last two entries seen in the terminal window at the point of
freezing were :

Setting up sudo (1.8.3p2.1)
Installing new version of config file /etc/pam.d/sudo

I've now spent several hours repeating this experience once more with
identical results and am becoming very frustrated.

Is anyone able to suggest the root of the problem or advise where I can
report the failure?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Problems with flashplayer on a new installation of Squeeze.

2012-05-26 Thread hvw59601


Lisi wrote:
Is there a solution to the following problem?  (See below) I see that the bug 
was reported two years ago, so I am tempted to go for purge, but that may 
leave some detritus. :-(


And if I were to purge flashplugin-nonfree, what could I install that would 
actually work to play flash?


Would I do better to scrap, what is a very new installation of Squeeze - this 
was part of the installation process - and reinstall?




snip

I get the same thing, but flashplugin-nonfree installs. So I then run 
'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' and it installs the latest version.


Hugo


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Re: Install Squeeze with firmware

On Sat, 26 May 2012 20:57:41 +0200, Antispammbox-debian wrote:

 Hi all

Hi (again).

 The problem is this:
 
 Experimental1 with iso file with firmware write on usb:
 syslog-stick-firmware.txt  do not ask me choice for firmware netcard.
 
 
 After 20 minutes that starting installing, do not anything.
 
 Do not ask request firmeware

Use the expert installer an manually load the firmware from the main 
menu. 
 
 The log is this:

 May 25 08:55:39 check-missing-firmware: no missing firmware in 
 /dev/.udev/firmware-missing
 May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.330056] tg3 :02:0e.0: firmware: requesting 
 tigon/tg3_tso5.bin
 May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.332393] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Failed to load 
 firmware tigon/tg3_tso5.bin
 May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.332397] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: TSO capability 
 disabled
 May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.469480] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not 
 ready
 May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.904401] tg3 :02:0e.0: PME# enabled 
 May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.904423] pci :00:1e.0: wake-up capability 
 enabled by ACPI
 May 25 08:55:40 kernel: [ 46.977236] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not 
 ready
 May 25 08:55:41 check-missing-firmware: missing firmware files 
 (tigon/tg3_tso5.bin) for tg3
 May 25 08:55:49 check-missing-firmware: installing firmware package 
 /cdrom/firmware/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb

(...)

You are stuck at the same point. Can't you just omit the network 
configuration and finish the installation by installing from the
local media source?

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Re: Problems with flashplayer on a new installation of Squeeze.

On Saturday 26 May 2012 21:02:21 hvw59601 wrote:
 Lisi wrote:
  Is there a solution to the following problem?  (See below) I see that the
  bug was reported two years ago, so I am tempted to go for purge, but that
  may leave some detritus. :-(
 
  And if I were to purge flashplugin-nonfree, what could I install that
  would actually work to play flash?
 
  Would I do better to scrap, what is a very new installation of Squeeze -
  this was part of the installation process - and reinstall?

 snip

 I get the same thing, but flashplugin-nonfree installs. So I then run
 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' and it installs the latest version.

Thanks!!

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changing sound parameter on startup

2012-05-26 Thread Ross Boylan

Simple version: what's the best way to get the effect of 
echo 1024  /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc
every time I start, preferably before KDE starts?

I've seen indications I should put something in rcS.d/, but also some
things saying stuff there gets executed at every run level change.
Also, I'm not sure where in the sequence it needs to be.

Longer version: The underlying issue is that I've been having problems
with sound under mythtv.  Hardware:
Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
Audio Controller (rev 01) on a Pentium 4.

When myth starts it was complaining that I had a buffer too small and
that its attempts to reset it with the above command failed.  After
disabling sound on KDE I was able to resize the buffer.  I'm still
having sound problems, though I think not quite as frequently as before.

One solution would be to resolve the permission problem.

There are a lot of things I can think of that might be relevant to
either the permission issue or the buffer size issue: udev, module
parameters (e.g., /etc/modutils.d/), sysctl.conf (but I think that's
only for /proc/sysfs), maybe some other alsa-specific place.

So I'd appreciate any guidance you can offer.

Thanks.
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backing up


Is there an easy way to back up a couple of profile directories when
you exit a window manager.
I'd like to back up .thunderbird at least when I quit Icewm to GDM...

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Re: changing sound parameter on startup

2012-05-26 Thread Volkan YAZICI

/etc/rc.local?

On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:40:01 -0700, Ross Boylan writes:
 Simple version: what's the best way to get the effect of 
 echo 1024  /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc
 every time I start, preferably before KDE starts?

 I've seen indications I should put something in rcS.d/, but also some
 things saying stuff there gets executed at every run level change.
 Also, I'm not sure where in the sequence it needs to be.

 Longer version: The underlying issue is that I've been having problems
 with sound under mythtv.  Hardware:
 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
 Audio Controller (rev 01) on a Pentium 4.

 When myth starts it was complaining that I had a buffer too small and
 that its attempts to reset it with the above command failed.  After
 disabling sound on KDE I was able to resize the buffer.  I'm still
 having sound problems, though I think not quite as frequently as before.

 One solution would be to resolve the permission problem.

 There are a lot of things I can think of that might be relevant to
 either the permission issue or the buffer size issue: udev, module
 parameters (e.g., /etc/modutils.d/), sysctl.conf (but I think that's
 only for /proc/sysfs), maybe some other alsa-specific place.

 So I'd appreciate any guidance you can offer.

 Thanks.
 Ross Boylan


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Re: changing sound parameter on startup

2012-05-26 Thread Ross Boylan

On Sat, 2012-05-26 at 23:55 +0300, Volkan YAZICI wrote:
 /etc/rc.local?
The comment says
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
which doesn't sound like the right place.  I'm also not sure if that
means it executes when you exit the run level, or it it means it runs as
the last thing before you enter the run level.  The first sense seems to
be the literal meaning of the comment, though I suspect the second is
intended.
 
 On Sat, 26 May 2012 13:40:01 -0700, Ross Boylan writes:
  Simple version: what's the best way to get the effect of 
  echo 1024  /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc
  every time I start, preferably before KDE starts?
 
  I've seen indications I should put something in rcS.d/, but also some
  things saying stuff there gets executed at every run level change.
  Also, I'm not sure where in the sequence it needs to be.
 
  Longer version: The underlying issue is that I've been having problems
  with sound under mythtv.  Hardware:
  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
  Audio Controller (rev 01) on a Pentium 4.
 
  When myth starts it was complaining that I had a buffer too small and
  that its attempts to reset it with the above command failed.  After
  disabling sound on KDE I was able to resize the buffer.  I'm still
  having sound problems, though I think not quite as frequently as before.
 
  One solution would be to resolve the permission problem.
 
  There are a lot of things I can think of that might be relevant to
  either the permission issue or the buffer size issue: udev, module
  parameters (e.g., /etc/modutils.d/), sysctl.conf (but I think that's
  only for /proc/sysfs), maybe some other alsa-specific place.
 
  So I'd appreciate any guidance you can offer.
 
  Thanks.
  Ross Boylan


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Re: backing up

2012-05-26 Thread Aubrey Raech

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On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:57:23 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

 Is there an easy way to back up a couple of profile directories when
 you exit a window manager.
 I'd like to back up .thunderbird at least when I quit Icewm to GDM...
 
 Thanks
 
 

Since you are using GDM (gdm3?), you may want to take a look
at /etc/gdm3/* and the gdm3 man page. There is a script run at
initialization, after login, before starting the session, and after the
session closes (to return to the display manager's menu). I would take
a look in /etc/gdm3/PostSession/ and add to the script there anything
you want done after logging out.

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backing up

Can anyone suggest an easy way to back up a couple of profile 
directories (such as .thunderbird) when existing a window manager to 
return to GDM ?


Thanks


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backing up

Can anyone suggest an easy way to back up a couple of profile 
directories (such as .thunderbird) when existing a window manager to 
return to GDM ?


Thanks


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Re: backing up


On 26/05/12 05:41 PM, Aubrey Raech wrote:

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On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:57:23 -0400
Frank McCormickdebianl...@videotron.ca  wrote:


Is there an easy way to back up a couple of profile directories when
you exit a window manager.
I'd like to back up .thunderbird at least when I quit Icewm to GDM...

Thanks




Since you are using GDM (gdm3?), you may want to take a look
at /etc/gdm3/* and the gdm3 man page. There is a script run at
initialization, after login, before starting the session, and after the
session closes (to return to the display manager's menu). I would take
a look in /etc/gdm3/PostSession/ and add to the script there anything
you want done after logging out.

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Aubrey


  Well  that looked like a way to do it...but when I tried cp -R 
~/.thunderbird  ~/.thunderbird.backup.nothing happened. What am I

missing ??

Thanks



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Re: backing up


On 26/05/12 06:14 PM, Frank McCormick wrote:

On 26/05/12 05:41 PM, Aubrey Raech wrote:

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On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:57:23 -0400
Frank McCormickdebianl...@videotron.ca wrote:


Is there an easy way to back up a couple of profile directories when
you exit a window manager.
I'd like to back up .thunderbird at least when I quit Icewm to GDM...

Thanks




Since you are using GDM (gdm3?), you may want to take a look
at /etc/gdm3/* and the gdm3 man page. There is a script run at
initialization, after login, before starting the session, and after the
session closes (to return to the display manager's menu). I would take
a look in /etc/gdm3/PostSession/ and add to the script there anything
you want done after logging out.

- --
Aubrey


Well that looked like a way to do it...but when I tried cp -R
~/.thunderbird ~/.thunderbird.backup.nothing happened. What am I
missing ??



  Nevermind :) Found the backups in /var/lib/gdm3
  Didn't realize that's where GDM would put them.


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