Re: Eye Tracking

2012-09-04 Thread Guilhem Bonnefille
Le 1 septembre 2012 14:29, Zuthos zuthos-nos...@laposte.net a écrit :
 Bonjour,

 Je cherche des informations apropos de l'eye Tracking sur linux en général et 
 sur Debian en particulier.

 Google ne ma pas encore délivrer des informations exploitables...

Ben demande à DuckDuckGo :
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=eye+tracking+opencv


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Re: Plus de boot graphique auto au démarrage

2012-09-04 Thread Tanguy Ortolo
maderios, 2012-09-03 17:11+0200:
 Pourrais tu préciser ce que tu penses être déconseillé ?

Utiliser les versions non empaquetées des pilotes Nvidia ou AMD.

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Re: Plus de boot graphique auto au démarrage

2012-09-04 Thread maderios

On 09/04/2012 10:26 AM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:

maderios, 2012-09-03 17:11+0200:

Pourrais tu préciser ce que tu penses être déconseillé ?


Utiliser les versions non empaquetées des pilotes Nvidia ou AMD.



Je n'ai jamais utilisé les paquets debian nvidia. Pas assez à jour pour 
moi. Je n'ai jamais rencontré un problème avec les drivers d'origine. 
Quant on compile une nouvelle version de noyau, il faut simplement 
penser à recompiler le driver, ce qui prend 1 mn.


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Re: Démarrage via clé usb pour l'installation problématique

2012-09-04 Thread moi-meme
Le Sat, 01 Sep 2012 13:10:02 +0200, Scurz a écrit :

 Je tente d'installer debian 6.0.5 via clé usb sur un pc portable packard
 bell easy note TS. Durant le démarrage, le pc arrive jusqu'au menu (où
 l'on choisit installation, installation graphique, etc.) et il est
 impossible de faire quoi que ce soit, et donc de sélectionner quelque
 chose.

sur un netbook ASUS  je n'ai pas réussi à booter sur une liveUSB.

Par contre avec un lecteur de CD USB aucun problème. 

Sans doute le BIOS dans mon cas

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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Sébastien NOBILI
Bonjour,

Le dimanche 02 septembre 2012 à  7:41, Christian PERRIER a écrit :
 Si tu es certain de l'avoir fait, tu peux faire comme
 cela. Personnellement, je signale les spams au fur et à mesure mais en
 les bounçant à une adresse mail dédiée. Pour le moment, cela n'est pas
 couplé avec le système de signalement de spams via l'interface
 web. Cela explique que je refais un tour des archives chaque mois.

Quelle méthode simple existe pour signaler un SPAM dès sa réception ? Je pense,
par exemple, à un lien direct vers l'archive qu'on pourrait générer à partir de
l'ID du message (voire même une adresse qui serait ajoutée dans les en-têtes ou
en bas de message).

Je n'ai pris le temps de relire l'archive du mois qu'une seule fois, signaler
les messages lorsque je les reçois serait plus facilement réalisable. Et en fin
de mois, si j'ai été suffisamment attentif pendant le mois, je m'inscris sur le
wiki.

Seb

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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:28:55 +0200
Sébastien NOBILI sebnewslet...@free.fr wrote:

 
 Quelle méthode simple existe pour signaler un SPAM dès sa
 réception ? Je pense, par exemple, à un lien direct vers l'archive
 qu'on pourrait générer à partir de l'ID du message (voire même une
 adresse qui serait ajoutée dans les en-têtes ou en bas de message).

Un forward vers une adresse e-mail explicite serait sans doute mieux,
par ex: debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org

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Re: enlever wicd nouveau tasksel-xfce

2012-09-04 Thread François Boisson
Le Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:10:44 +
ralf kaiser rsvcakai...@gmail.com a écrit:

 Salut tout le monde,
 
 Surprise du matin: le tasksel-xfce met maintenant le
 network-manager-gnome et rend wicd orphelin (le suggère en autoremove).
 Quelqu'un sait pourquoi?
 

En gros wicd jugé trop technique et ne mettant aucune interface wlan par défaut
au démarrage.

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Tā te ir tā stunda, kuru es Tev nu galīgi neiesaku neapmeklēt!

2012-09-04 Thread Kolosova Vera
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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread maderios

On 09/04/2012 04:40 PM, Bzzz wrote:

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:28:55 +0200
Sébastien NOBILIsebnewslet...@free.fr  wrote:



Quelle méthode simple existe pour signaler un SPAM dès sa
réception ? Je pense, par exemple, à un lien direct vers l'archive
qu'on pourrait générer à partir de l'ID du message (voire même une
adresse qui serait ajoutée dans les en-têtes ou en bas de message).


Un forward vers une adresse e-mail explicite serait sans doute mieux,
par ex: debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org


L'adresse n'est pas bonne
Suite à un forward:

 debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org

Technical details of permanent failure:=20
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient =
domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further inform=
ation about the cause of this error. The error that the other server return=
ed was: 550 550 5.1.1 debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org: Recipient=
 address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 13).

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Re: Plus de boot graphique auto au démarrage

2012-09-04 Thread andre_debian
On Tuesday 04 September 2012 11:11:18 maderios wrote:
 On 09/04/2012 10:26 AM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
  maderios, 2012-09-03 17:11+0200:
  Pourrais tu préciser ce que tu penses être déconseillé ?

  Utiliser les versions non empaquetées des pilotes Nvidia ou AMD.

 Je n'ai jamais utilisé les paquets debian nvidia. Pas assez à jour pour
 moi. Je n'ai jamais rencontré un problème avec les drivers d'origine.
 Quant on compile une nouvelle version de noyau, il faut simplement
 penser à recompiler le driver, ce qui prend 1 mn.
 Maderios

Je confirme,

le driver d'origine Nvidia pour Linux ne pose aucun problème.

C'est la meilleure solution pour celui qui a une carte Nvidia.

André

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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:55:34 +0200
maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:

 L'adresse n'est pas bonne
 Suite à un forward:
 
   debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org
 
 Technical details of permanent failure:=20

Erf, c'était une _remarque_.

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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread maderios

On 09/04/2012 06:34 PM, Bzzz wrote:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:55:34 +0200
maderiosmader...@gmail.com  wrote:


L'adresse n'est pas bonne
Suite à un forward:

   debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org

Technical details of permanent failure:=20


Erf, c'était une _remarque_.



De quoi tu causes ?
J'ai bien ce retour:

 debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the 
recipient domain.


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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Eddy F.
Le mardi 4 septembre 2012 16:28:55, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit :
 Bonjour,
 
 Le dimanche 02 septembre 2012 à  7:41, Christian PERRIER a écrit :
  Si tu es certain de l'avoir fait, tu peux faire comme
  cela. Personnellement, je signale les spams au fur et à mesure mais en
  les bounçant à une adresse mail dédiée. Pour le moment, cela n'est pas
  couplé avec le système de signalement de spams via l'interface
  web. Cela explique que je refais un tour des archives chaque mois.
 
 Quelle méthode simple existe pour signaler un SPAM dès sa réception ? Je
 pense, par exemple, à un lien direct vers l'archive qu'on pourrait générer
 à partir de l'ID du message (voire même une adresse qui serait ajoutée
 dans les en-têtes ou en bas de message).

Sur la page http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ListMaster/ListArchiveSpam on peut 
lire : 

[ citation ]
Methods to Nominate Spam for the Review-Process

1) Press the 'Report as Spam'-Button in the Archive.
2) Use https://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/nominate-for-review.pl to report Spam. 
(You might want to call it like this from your MUA: 
http://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/nominate-for-review.pl?Quiet=onmsgid=MSGID) 
see /MUAPlugins for Plugins.
3) Bounce (as in mutt) the Spam-Message to 
report-listspam arobase lists.debian.org
[ /citation ]

On pourrait donc penser qu'il suffit d'utiliser cette dernière adresse, non ?

Mais il me reste deux questions :

a) Pourquoi Christian Perrier écrit-il que « ce n'est pas couplé avec le 
signalement de spam via l'adresse web »  alors que la page citée semble 
indiquer que ce sont des méthodes équivalentes ? Cela sert-il à quelque chose 
oui ou non de bouncer les messages spam vers cette adresse ?

b) Si oui, quelqu'un peut-il me dire qu'elle fonction de kmail correspond à ce 
bounce : s'agit-il de ce que kmail appelle rediriger ? Ou est-ce un simple 
transférer ?

Moi aussi je parcours tous les messages de la liste debian-user-french. Si on 
me dit que bouncer tous les messages spam est utile, je le ferai volontiers. 
Mais pour le moment, pour moi du moins, ce n'est pas clair.



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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:24:21 +0200
maderios mader...@gmail.com wrote:

 De quoi tu causes ?
 J'ai bien ce retour:
 
   debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org
 
 Technical details of permanent failure:
 Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the 
 recipient domain.
 
Tu oublies ça:
 550 550 5.1.1 debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org:
 Recipient= address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 13).
   
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Upgrade vs dist-upgrade

2012-09-04 Thread Eddy F.
Bonjour,

Ce qui suit n'est pas un problème. C'est juste que j'aimerais comprendre.

Je pensais que dist-upgrade n'était nécessaire que pour mettre à jour les 
paquets qui nécessitent d'installer ou désinstaller d'autres paquets.

Cela correspond à mon expérience depuis quelques années (dont une bonne partie 
en testing ou ce comportement se voit souvent).

Cela me semble aussi correspondre au man apt-get :
« La commande upgrade permet... En aucun cas des paquets déjà installés ne 
sont supprimés ; de même, des paquets qui ne sont pas déjà installés ne sont 
ni récupérés ni installés.
...
La commande dist-upgrade effectue la fonction upgrade en y ajoutant une gestion 
intelligente des changements de dépendances. »

Alors je ne comprends pas pourquoi, sur ma wheezy :

# apt-get upgrade
Les paquets suivants ont été conservés :
  task-french-desktop
0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 1 non mis à jour.

# apt-get dist-upgrade 
Les paquets suivants seront mis à jour :
  task-french-desktop
1 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour.

Bref la mise à jour du paquet task-french-desktop ne nécessite sur mon système 
aucun ajout ou suppression de paquet et pourtant un dist-upgrade est 
nécessaire. Pourquoi ?

De plus, 

$ apt-cache show task-french-desktop 

montre que les dépendances des deux versions (existante et candidate) sont les 
mêmes. Il y a bien un changement dans les recommends mais de toute façon 
apt-get n'est pas configuré pour tenir compte des recommends chez moi.

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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Yves Rutschle
On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 07:40:36PM +0200, Bzzz wrote:
debian-user-french-s...@lists.debian.org

Conversation de sourd :-)

Ça existe, et la vraie adresse officielle qui marche est:

report-lists...@lists.debian.org

Par contre il faut bouncer le message (i.e. en envoyer une
copie exacte, pas le forwarder; fonction 'B' dans mutt).

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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 20:27:07 +0200
Yves Rutschle debian.anti-s...@rutschle.net wrote:

 
 Par contre il faut bouncer le message (i.e. en envoyer une
 copie exacte, pas le forwarder; fonction 'B' dans mutt).

Merde, AFAIK y'a pas de poss. de bounce dans claws-mail :(

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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Txo
En ce mardi 04 septembre 2012 à 21 h 01 Bzzz nous susurrait :

 On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 20:27:07 +0200
 Yves Rutschle debian.anti-s...@rutschle.net wrote:
 
  
  Par contre il faut bouncer le message (i.e. en envoyer une
  copie exacte, pas le forwarder; fonction 'B' dans mutt).
 
 Merde, AFAIK y'a pas de poss. de bounce dans claws-mail :(
 

Si, si. rediriger.

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Re: Nettoyage du spam: août 2012

2012-09-04 Thread Bzzz
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 21:22:57 +0200
Txo t...@crocobox.org wrote:

  Merde, AFAIK y'a pas de poss. de bounce dans claws-mail :(
  
 
 Si, si. rediriger.
 
Arhh, dans l'cochon comme disent les Allemands (t'avoueras que
redirect à la place de bounce c'est léger)

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Re: iceweasel 15 et Paypal

2012-09-04 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Tue, 4 Sep 2012 03:08:09 +0200
Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr a écrit:

 Bonjour,
 
 Je n'arrive pas à me connecter à paypal avec iceweasel 15 d'expérimental. Il
 me dit : 
 
 -
 La page n'est pas redirigée correctement
 
   Firefox a détecté que le serveur redirige la demande pour cette
 adresse d'une manière qui n'aboutira pas. 
 
   La cause de ce problème peut être la désactivation ou le refus
 des cookies.
 -
 
 J'ai regardé et les cookie sont bien activés.
 
 Est-ce de même chez vous ?
 
 
 Gaëtan
 


Même problème sur Squeeze avec iceweasel 15 de bpo ...

Gaëtan

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Re: iceweasel 15 et Paypal

2012-09-04 Thread Ken-Patrick Lehrmann
Le 04/09/2012 22:19, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit :
 Le Tue, 4 Sep 2012 03:08:09 +0200
 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr a écrit:
 
 Bonjour,

 Je n'arrive pas à me connecter à paypal avec iceweasel 15 d'expérimental. Il
 me dit : 

 -
 La page n'est pas redirigée correctement
 
   Firefox a détecté que le serveur redirige la demande pour cette
 adresse d'une manière qui n'aboutira pas. 

 
 Même problème sur Squeeze avec iceweasel 15 de bpo ...
 
 Gaëtan
 

Idem ici avec iceweasel 14...

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Re: problema de disco al arrancar testing (wheezy)

2012-09-04 Thread Juan Antonio
El 04/09/12 06:41, Andrés A. Rocchia escribió:
 Estimados me encuentro con el siguiente problema, tengo un notebook
 compaq presario cq42 con 3 sistemas instalados windows 7, debian
 wheezy y ubuntu 10.10 maverick, grub como boot manager y utilizo LVM
 para las particiones, hace unas semanas se corto la energia mientras
 utilizaba debian y justamente no tenia la bateria conectada, al volver
 a reiniciar el sistema, ya no me fue posible acceder a debian ni a
 ubuntu, windows 7 si fue posible pero luego de varios intentos y
 repetidos chequeos en el arranque.

 Al intentar entrar en debian wheezy me tira el siguiente error:

 ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
 ata1.00: irq_stat 0x4008
 ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
 ata1.00: cmd 60/08:00:80:61:7f/00:00:0d:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 4096 in
   res 41/40:00:84:61:7f/00:00:0d:00:00/40 Emask 0x409
 (media error) F
 ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
 ata1.00: error: { UNC }
 ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
 ata1: EH complete

 se repite y luego me deja entrar a un shell para mantenimiento donde
 puede hacer un dmesg:

 http://pastebin.com/yEz5nAQN

 esto es lo que me tira un fdisk -l

 http://pastebin.com/CXcCkQZj

 (donde /dev/sda2 se corresponde con /boot de wheezy y /dev/sda3 con
 /boot de ubuntu 10.10)

 las particiones que tengo en lvm para debian son:

 /dev/mapper/vgtoshi-rootDebian para /
 /dev/mapper/vgtoshi-usrD para /usr  (esta no sale con el fdisk -l tira error)
 /dev/mapper/vgtoshi-tempD para /temp
 /dev/mapper/vgtoshi-varD para /var
 /dev/mapper/vgtoshi-homeD para /home

 /proc/partitions esta así:

 http://pastebin.com/sbKMA4yk

 Hice un fsck de todas las particiones y solo me tira el mismo error al
 intentar entrar en /dev/mapper/vgtoshi-usrD

 todas las particiones las puedo montar manualmente sin problemas.

 Las preguntas que tengo son las siguientes,

 ¿como puedo recuperar el sistema?
 ¿por que no arranca ubuntu siendo que ninguna de las particiones donde
 esta instalado parece tener problemas?

 otra cosa que me llama la atención es que ni debian live rescue cd, ni
 con systemrescuecd puedo acceder, ambos se quedan tirando todo el
 tiempo el error al chequear la particion lvm. Con netinst de testing
 para reinstalar el sistema tampoco me fue posible por el mismo motivo
 (se queda detectando los discos).

 Bien le agradezco cualquier orientación.

 Saludos,
 AR



aprovecha y compra un disco ssd, yo le puse uno hace un par de semanas a
mi portatil y es una pasada.



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Re: problema de disco al arrancar testing (wheezy)

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:41:43 -0300, Andrés A. Rocchia escribió:

 Estimados me encuentro con el siguiente problema, tengo un notebook
 compaq presario cq42 con 3 sistemas instalados windows 7, debian wheezy
 y ubuntu 10.10 maverick, grub como boot manager y utilizo LVM para las
 particiones, hace unas semanas se corto la energia mientras utilizaba
 debian y justamente no tenia la bateria conectada, al volver a reiniciar
 el sistema, ya no me fue posible acceder a debian ni a ubuntu, windows 7
 si fue posible pero luego de varios intentos y repetidos chequeos en el
 arranque.

Qué malos son los apagones a lo bruto en los sistemas, les sienta fatal a 
los discos duros ;-(

 Al intentar entrar en debian wheezy me tira el siguiente error:
 
 ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 ata1.00: irq_stat 
 0x4008
 ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED ata1.00: cmd 
 60/08:00:80:61:7f/00:00:0d:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 4096 in res 
 41/40:00:84:61:7f/00:00:0d:00:00/40 Emask 0x409 (media error) F
 ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR }
 ata1.00: error: { UNC }
 ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100
 ata1: EH complete
 
 se repite y luego me deja entrar a un shell para mantenimiento donde
 puede hacer un dmesg:
 
 http://pastebin.com/yEz5nAQN

[  279.008812] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda]  Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto 
reallocate failed
[  279.008817] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 0d 7f 61 80 00 00 08 00
[  279.008822] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 226451844
[  279.008829] Buffer I/O error on device dm-6, logical block 0
  

(...)

¿Estás usando DM? Claro, que tienes windows, buf...

Parece que ese volumen tiene algún problema, yo me centraría en eso.
 
 Las preguntas que tengo son las siguientes,
 
 ¿como puedo recuperar el sistema?

Pues yo probaría con el fsck pero si dices que lo has intentando sin 
resultado positivo y dado que aún puedes acceder a los datos, quizá te 
convenga clonar todos el disco por completo (o sólo las particiones que
te interese mantener) y empezar desde cero con formateo del disco/partición 
mediante.

Si tienes problemas en el acceso a los datos podrías intentarlo con 
herramientas dedicadas a la recuperación como Photorec o Testdisk.

Por otra parte, no creo que se haya dañado físicamente el disco pero tampoco 
estaría de más que lo analizaras con la herramienta del fabricante para ver 
si pasa el test de SMART.

 ¿por que no arranca ubuntu siendo que ninguna de las particiones donde
 esta instalado parece tener problemas?

Pues ni idea... ¿qué error te aparece cuando intentas iniciarlo?

 otra cosa que me llama la atención es que ni debian live rescue cd, ni
 con systemrescuecd puedo acceder, ambos se quedan tirando todo el tiempo
 el error al chequear la particion lvm. Con netinst de testing para
 reinstalar el sistema tampoco me fue posible por el mismo motivo (se
 queda detectando los discos).

Eso ya es más peliagudo pero siempre podrás desconectar el disco y e instalarlo
en una caja externa para conectarlo mediante USB e intentar montarlo una vez 
que 
haya cargado la livecd.
 
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Shows Peças para Eventos Empresariais

2012-09-04 Thread Eventos Corporativos
Queridos Amigos,
Quem é a pessoa em sua empresa responsável por contratar shows, artistas e 
palestrantes, para seus eventos empresariais, especialmentes as 
confraternizações de final-de-ano?
Temos um sensacional leque de opções que vão desde de pocket-musicais sobre a 
vida de Elvis Presley e Frank Sinatra, até MPB, Bossa Nova, Jazz, Sertanejo 
Americano, Rock N´Roll, Música Francesa, Grupos de Dança, Palestrantes sobre os 
mais diversos temas empresariais e muito mais!
Como podemos adiantar esse assunto com sua conceituada empresa?
Atenciosamente,
The-Number-One Atividades Artísticas
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Atendemos à todo Brasil e Exterior


Re: W32codecs no debian oldstable

2012-09-04 Thread José Paulo Neto
Oi Pjota e Leandro, desculpa não ter respondido, não vi na minha inbox!!

Pjota, o computador do meu colega é muito ruim e nem com o xfce anda muito
bem!! Acho que eles se adaptariam bem com o gnome tb!! Nesse computador só
precisava de coisas muito simples como vídeo, audio e internet e num é
possível que o Lenny não ajudaria.

Leandro, tudo bem??  como ficaria a sintaxe do oldstable no repositório??
Desculpa, mas eu sou meio ruim de serviço...rsrsrs...





Em 29 de agosto de 2012 14:53, Leandro Nascimento de Souza 
minimedi...@yahoo.com.br escreveu:

 José,

 Você pode utilizar o repositório archive.debian.org para versões mais
 antigas do Debian.

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 *Para:* debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
 *Enviadas:* Quinta-feira, 23 de Agosto de 2012 10:33
 *Assunto:* W32codecs no debian oldstable

 Pessoal,

 to usando o debian oldstable(lenny) num computador velho de um amigo. Não
 to conseguindo encontrar o w32codecs nos repositorios multimedia do debian
 e agora já nao sei mais o que fazer.

 Atualmente o vlc consegue tocar o audio mas o vídeo não aparece. Tentei
 encontrar solução na internet mas nenhuma resposta.

 Valeu,

 Zé





Re: Ferramenta para base de conhecimento

2012-09-04 Thread Daniel Lenharo
Opa..

Aqui na empresa é utiliza a Knowledgetree  https://www.knowledgetree.com/

É um pouco complexa de inicio, mais é muito interessante.

att

Em 3 de setembro de 2012 18:56, Leandro Moreira 
lean...@leandromoreira.eti.br escreveu:

 Caros, boa noite!

 Alguem pode me indicar alguma ferramenta para gerir base de conhecimento?

 Att.

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Rede não acessa pelo hostname

2012-09-04 Thread John Martius
Olá pessoal,

Esses dias tirei uma duvida sobre ping nos hosts da rede.
O problema era apenas o firewall ativado nas maquinas que bloqueava pings.

Mas ainda ocorre que não consigo encontrar maquinas através do hostname.
Se eu der um ping + hostname aparece host desconhecido. Isso ocorre tanto
nos clientes quanto no servidor.
Inclusive, se eu for montar uma partição smbfs (samba) o cliente só
consegue através do ip do servidor.

No servidor tenho rodando dhcp, samba, proxy squid e firewall iptable.
O firewall só tem um bloqueio, que é para input vindo da internet.
O proxy atualmente apenas faz cache de navegação, não influenciando acessos.

Então gostaria de ajuda para descobrir se é algum erro de configuração ou
se é preciso instalar algum seviço DNS.

Toda ajuda é bem vida!

Att.
John


Re: Rede não acessa pelo hostname

2012-09-04 Thread Leandro Nascimento de Souza
Você pode criar apontamentos nos arquivos de hosts oou utilizar um servidor DNS 
interno.





 De: John Martius hax0...@gmail.com
Para: d-u-p debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org 
Enviadas: Terça-feira, 4 de Setembro de 2012 9:12
Assunto: Rede não acessa pelo hostname
 

Olá pessoal,

Esses dias tirei uma duvida sobre ping nos hosts da rede. 
O problema era apenas o firewall ativado nas maquinas que bloqueava pings.

Mas ainda ocorre que não consigo encontrar maquinas através do hostname.
Se eu der um ping + hostname aparece host desconhecido. Isso ocorre tanto nos 
clientes quanto no servidor.
Inclusive, se eu for montar uma partição smbfs (samba) o cliente só consegue 
através do ip do servidor.

No servidor tenho rodando dhcp, samba, proxy squid e firewall iptable.
O firewall só tem um bloqueio, que é para input vindo da internet.
O proxy atualmente apenas faz cache de navegação, não influenciando acessos.

Então gostaria de ajuda para descobrir se é algum erro de configuração ou se é 
preciso instalar algum seviço DNS.

Toda ajuda é bem vida!

Att.
John

Re: Rede não acessa pelo hostname

2012-09-04 Thread John Martius
Ok.
O DNS é feito por qual serviço? O bind pode ser usado para resolver os
hosts internos?

Att.

Em 4 de setembro de 2012 09:53, Leandro Nascimento de Souza 
minimedi...@yahoo.com.br escreveu:

 Você pode criar apontamentos nos arquivos de hosts oou utilizar um
 servidor DNS interno.


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 *Para:* d-u-p debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
 *Enviadas:* Terça-feira, 4 de Setembro de 2012 9:12
 *Assunto:* Rede não acessa pelo hostname

 Olá pessoal,

 Esses dias tirei uma duvida sobre ping nos hosts da rede.
 O problema era apenas o firewall ativado nas maquinas que bloqueava pings.

 Mas ainda ocorre que não consigo encontrar maquinas através do hostname.
 Se eu der um ping + hostname aparece host desconhecido. Isso ocorre tanto
 nos clientes quanto no servidor.
 Inclusive, se eu for montar uma partição smbfs (samba) o cliente só
 consegue através do ip do servidor.

 No servidor tenho rodando dhcp, samba, proxy squid e firewall iptable.
 O firewall só tem um bloqueio, que é para input vindo da internet.
 O proxy atualmente apenas faz cache de navegação, não influenciando
 acessos.

 Então gostaria de ajuda para descobrir se é algum erro de configuração ou
 se é preciso instalar algum seviço DNS.

 Toda ajuda é bem vida!

 Att.
 John





Re: W32codecs no debian oldstable

2012-09-04 Thread P. J.
Oi,

Em 4 de setembro de 2012 08:41, José Paulo Neto
josepaulon...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Pjota, o computador do meu colega é muito ruim e nem com o xfce anda muito
 bem!! Acho que eles se adaptariam bem com o gnome tb!! Nesse computador só
 precisava de coisas muito simples como vídeo, audio e internet e num é
 possível que o Lenny não ajudaria.


Se a máquina é fraca use gerenciador de janelas leves como icewm[1],
fluxbox[2]... elas pode ser a principio meio cruas e chatinhas paras
as comodidades habituais de um gnome, mas no meu ponto de vista é um
sacrificio q vale a pena para se ter um sistema atualizado.

[1]
http://www.icewm.org/

[2]
http://fluxbox.org/


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Re: Repositorio PHP5.2

2012-09-04 Thread Gustavo Soares [SLot]
Você pode usar o snapshot [1] que ele tem as instruções de como fazer 
com o php5.2 [2]



[1] http://snapshot.debian.org http://snapshot.debian.org/package/php5/
[2] http://snapshot.debian.org/package/php5/5.2.12.dfsg.1-2/


Em 03-09-2012 19:49, Leandro Moreira escreveu:

Caros, boa noite!

Alguem pode me indicar um repositório para o PHP5.2, pois ja testei 
vários e não tive sucesso em nehum deles.


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Re: Rede não acessa pelo hostname

2012-09-04 Thread Rodolfo
Falta configurar o DNS.

Em 4 de setembro de 2012 08:12, John Martius hax0...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Olá pessoal,

 Esses dias tirei uma duvida sobre ping nos hosts da rede.
 O problema era apenas o firewall ativado nas maquinas que bloqueava pings.

 Mas ainda ocorre que não consigo encontrar maquinas através do hostname.
 Se eu der um ping + hostname aparece host desconhecido. Isso ocorre tanto
 nos clientes quanto no servidor.
 Inclusive, se eu for montar uma partição smbfs (samba) o cliente só
 consegue através do ip do servidor.

 No servidor tenho rodando dhcp, samba, proxy squid e firewall iptable.
 O firewall só tem um bloqueio, que é para input vindo da internet.
 O proxy atualmente apenas faz cache de navegação, não influenciando
 acessos.

 Então gostaria de ajuda para descobrir se é algum erro de configuração ou
 se é preciso instalar algum seviço DNS.

 Toda ajuda é bem vida!

 Att.
 John



Re: Display settings issue

2012-09-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 04 sep 12, 10:47:55, Bilal mk wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have attached the full /var/log/Xorg.0.log
 
 Thanks for the reply
 
 On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Andrei POPESCU 
 andreimpope...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  On Lu, 03 sep 12, 19:29:52, Bilal mk wrote:
   Hello,
  
   Sometime my monitor display does not detected. If it detected not stored
my configuration permanently .It reset after reboot or logoff.

Please also attach your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and any file under 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (if any of exists).

   See my xrandr output. This will change every time
 
  Please attach your full /var/log/Xorg.0.log
 [48.727] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor AOC, prod id 8784
 [48.727] (II) intel(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
 [48.727] (II) intel(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file

This looks as if some config file is overriding the auto-detected 
values.

Kind regards,
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Re: need kernel update for lenny ..

2012-09-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 03 sep 12, 17:02:59, Emiliano M. Rudenick wrote:
 
 contrib? non-free? I think that's not right :|

Why?

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Re: [ask] google translate client or similar method

2012-09-04 Thread Morning Star
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:11:14 +0700, Morning Star wrote:


 Hi, but please, no html posts, thanks :-)

 sorry, i didn't know that.  :)

 You are doing it again and even worse, the reply quotes are completely
 broken... I'll reformat them.

yeah, my bad. thanks. :)
 For transliteration functionalities you can look at Stardict or
 Goldendict.

 stardict can't work with paragraph translation.

 Yes, it can (provided you have an Internet connection).

 also, it doesn't support command line translation. :(

 sdcv it does and it relies on Stardict.

you're right about sdcv, but still i can't translate a paragraph. only
a word. :(
do you know what the dictionaries that suit with that?

Greetings,

Marco


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Re: Display settings issue

2012-09-04 Thread Bilal mk
I could not see any xorg.conf file under /etc/X11/

$ ls
app-defaults rgb.txt Xreset Xsession.d
default-display-manager X Xreset.d Xsession.options
fluxbox xinit Xresources XvMCConfig
fonts xkb Xsession Xwrapper.config

$ find . -type f -name xorg.conf



On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Ma, 04 sep 12, 10:47:55, Bilal mk wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I have attached the full /var/log/Xorg.0.log
 
  Thanks for the reply
 
  On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   On Lu, 03 sep 12, 19:29:52, Bilal mk wrote:
Hello,
   
Sometime my monitor display does not detected. If it detected not
 stored
 my configuration permanently .It reset after reboot or logoff.

 Please also attach your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and any file under
 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (if any of exists).

See my xrandr output. This will change every time
  
   Please attach your full /var/log/Xorg.0.log
  [48.727] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor AOC, prod id 8784
  [48.727] (II) intel(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
  [48.727] (II) intel(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file

 This looks as if some config file is overriding the auto-detected
 values.

 Kind regards,
 Andrei
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Re: alsa-base breaks linux-sound-base

2012-09-04 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes:

 On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 18:20:35 +0200, lee wrote:
 In the meantime, I have a working system without having to worry about
 keeping track of self-installed software and dependency problems that
 might arise from it. Just don't circumvent the package management --- I
 tried that many years ago and found out it's a very bad idea, so I
 don't do that.

 So now what? How are you dealing with your apt problem?

Right now I do have a problem with the NVIDIA drivers again after a lot
of packages were updated :( I have also seen rather weird dependencies
that apparently were introduced by having different branches enabled. So
you're probably right and it's a bad idea to have that.

I have disabled the stable, unstable and experimental branches now and
let apt-get downgrade the packages, which should take everything back to
what's in testing. That might leave me with some stuff broken, and I'll
just have to go from there. Starting from scratch isn't really an option
I want to take because it's ridiculously difficult to make it so that
the system boots from a RAID-1, not to mention everything else
involved.

This also answers the question what to do when a more recent version of
some software is needed: get the source and make it yourself.


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Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio

2012-09-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-09-04 at 01:47 +, T o n g wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio?

Yes, pulseaudio needs ALSA. Note that pulseaudio is bad programmed and
unable to work with some ALSA drivers.

Regards,
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Re: [ask] google translate client or similar method

2012-09-04 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 04 September 2012 08:47:41 Morning Star wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:11:14 +0700, Morning Star wrote:
  Hi, but please, no html posts, thanks :-)
 
  sorry, i didn't know that.  :)
 
  You are doing it again and even worse, the reply quotes are completely
  broken... I'll reformat them.

 yeah, my bad. thanks. :)

You are STILL doing it!!!

Lisi


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Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio

2012-09-04 Thread lee
T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com writes:

 Hi,

 Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio?

It seems that pulseaudio adds another layer of complexity on top of
alsa. If you don't need things that pulseaudio does, you don't need
pulseaudio and can just use alsa, which you need in any case.


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Re: nvidia CK804 sound card question

2012-09-04 Thread lee
Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net writes:

 Yes, alsamixer finds a sound card as does amix -l and yes it's the only 
 sound card installed. On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, lee wrote:

Ok then the card is recognised and probably working. Do you have sound?

In that case, I would think it's an issue with the programs you are
trying to use for a mixer. I don't know those since I just use
alsamixer; maybe you need to specify options to them.


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Re: nvidia CK804 sound card question

2012-09-04 Thread Jude DaShiell
Yes I have sound.  rexima and aumix appear unable to locate any cards 
even with several different combinations of items parsed from the 
relevant lspci line.

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012, lee wrote:

 Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net writes:
 
  Yes, alsamixer finds a sound card as does amix -l and yes it's the only 
  sound card installed. On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, lee wrote:
 
 Ok then the card is recognised and probably working. Do you have sound?
 
 In that case, I would think it's an issue with the programs you are
 trying to use for a mixer. I don't know those since I just use
 alsamixer; maybe you need to specify options to them.
 
 
 

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Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio

2012-09-04 Thread Jude DaShiell
a howto got put up on the orca-list email list describing how to install 
a graphical user environment and have it come up talking and pulse in 
any of its forms is not part of how to do it, so the claim that pulse 
adds extra layers of complexity I have had direct experience on over 
here!

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012, lee wrote:

 T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com writes:
 
  Hi,
 
  Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio?
 
 It seems that pulseaudio adds another layer of complexity on top of
 alsa. If you don't need things that pulseaudio does, you don't need
 pulseaudio and can just use alsa, which you need in any case.
 
 
 

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Re: boot image

2012-09-04 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 01:38:56PM +0800, lina wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 
 Today I tried to install unetbootin
 
 The following packages were installed.
 
  extlinux:
  libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl:
  memtest86+:
  os-prober:
  syslinux:
  syslinux-common:
  syslinux-themes-debian:
  syslinux-themes-debian-wheezy:
  unetbootin-translations:
 
 during boot, it showed those other options, which I don't like, like
 memory-test,
 mac OS x 32
 mac OS x 64

These would have been added due to in installation of os-prober which
scanned your system and found two Operating Installs from a certain
fruit-based company.

 
 so I purged the installed packages.
 
 now the /boot shows me:
 
 /boot# ls
 config-3.2.0-3-amd64  initrd.img-3.3.5  vmlinuz-3.2.0-3-amd64
 config-3.3.5  lost+foundvmlinuz-3.3.5
 grub  System.map-3.2.0-3-amd64
 initrd.img-3.2.0-3-amd64  System.map-3.3.5
 
 
 but weird that the options like
 
 mac os 32
 mac os 64
 
 still showed in booting interface. btw, they are not working and I
 don't expect them to work, only with to remove them.
 
 But I don't know how to remove.

If os-prober is de-installed, you should be able to run update-grub2
as root to regenerate your boot list without the probed entries.

If you wish to keep os-prober installed, but not use it, try removing
the executable bit from /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober (a dpkg-statoverride
entry will make that permanent).



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how to configure contrast buttons on Squeeze laptops ?

2012-09-04 Thread David Cho-Lerat

Hi list,

I've installed Squeeze on 3 different laptops recently :
a Dell, a Packard Bell and a Toshiba. On the Dell, the
contrast buttons work : I can press Fn + Up/Down
to set the screen contrast level.

On the  others, though, they don't (in addition, on the
Toshiba the mute key doesn't work either).

Where should I look ? Is this related to Xorg ? the video
card driver ? something else ?

Thanks all !

Toshiba Satellite L775-18Z : nVidia GeForce 315M
Dell Studio 1735 : ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650
Packard Bell EasyNote LM : ATI Mobility Radeon ? (have to check..)


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Re: nvidia CK804 sound card question

2012-09-04 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 06:23:20PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
 Yes, alsamixer finds a sound card as does amix -l and yes it's the only 
 sound card installed. On Mon, 3 Sep 2012, lee wrote:

If you're using ALSA, then you should probably be aware that /dev/mixer
is not an ALSA device name. ALSA uses, say, /dev/snd/controlC0.

If you want to use the deprecated OSS devices, you should ensure that
ALSA's OSS-compatibility layer is loaded (modprobe snd_pcm_oss).

 
  Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net writes:
  
   I ran both aumix -q and rexima and neither were able to find the sound 
   card.
  
  Is alsamixer able to find devices, or do some show up when you run
  aplay -l or aplay -L? Is this the only sound card installed?
  
  
  
 
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Re: how to configure contrast buttons on Squeeze laptops ?

2012-09-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-09-04 at 11:21 +0200, David Cho-Lerat wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I've installed Squeeze on 3 different laptops recently :
 a Dell, a Packard Bell and a Toshiba. On the Dell, the
 contrast buttons work : I can press Fn + Up/Down
 to set the screen contrast level.
 
 On the  others, though, they don't (in addition, on the
 Toshiba the mute key doesn't work either).
 
 Where should I look ? Is this related to Xorg ? the video
 card driver ? something else ?
 
 Thanks all !
 
 Toshiba Satellite L775-18Z : nVidia GeForce 315M
 Dell Studio 1735 : ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650
 Packard Bell EasyNote LM : ATI Mobility Radeon ? (have to check..)

I've read several times on mailing lists about this issue, but I didn't
follow the discussions. FWIW for my tower PC's monitor the buttons don't
work, when using the proprietary NVIDIA driver versions for some time
past. If I turn the monitor off and on again, the buttons work. Not a
solution for a laptop.
Did you test all available drivers?
nv (perhaps not available for stable), nouveau, nvidia (the
proprietary), vesa? Just to ensure that it's not caused by the driver.
What driver do you use?

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: how to configure contrast buttons on Squeeze laptops ?

2012-09-04 Thread David Cho-Lerat



Le 04/09/2012 11:34, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :

On Tue, 2012-09-04 at 11:21 +0200, David Cho-Lerat wrote:
   

Hi list,

I've installed Squeeze on 3 different laptops recently :
a Dell, a Packard Bell and a Toshiba. On the Dell, the
contrast buttons work : I can press Fn + Up/Down
to set the screen contrast level.

On the  others, though, they don't (in addition, on the
Toshiba the mute key doesn't work either).

Where should I look ? Is this related to Xorg ? the video
card driver ? something else ?

Thanks all !

Toshiba Satellite L775-18Z : nVidia GeForce 315M
Dell Studio 1735 : ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650
Packard Bell EasyNote LM : ATI Mobility Radeon ? (have to check..)
 

I've read several times on mailing lists about this issue, but I didn't
follow the discussions. FWIW for my tower PC's monitor the buttons don't
work, when using the proprietary NVIDIA driver versions for some time
past. If I turn the monitor off and on again, the buttons work. Not a
solution for a laptop.
Did you test all available drivers?
nv (perhaps not available for stable), nouveau, nvidia (the
proprietary), vesa? Just to ensure that it's not caused by the driver.
What driver do you use?
   


on the Toshiba, I've installed a backported kernel so that the Wifi card
works, and I couldn't install the nVidia driver the Debian way
(http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Why_use_a_Debian-specific_method.3F)
with this kernel, so I've installed the proprietary nVidia driver.

Prior to installing the proprietary driver I tried the Debian nvidia 
driver

and the contrast buttons didn't work either.

I haven't tried nouveau yet, though. Have to give it a go.



Regards,
Ralf

   


Thanks,
David.


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Re: boot image

2012-09-04 Thread lina
On Tuesday 04,September,2012 05:16 PM, Darac Marjal wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 01:38:56PM +0800, lina wrote:

 Hi,


 Today I tried to install unetbootin

 The following packages were installed.

  extlinux:
  libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl:
  memtest86+:
  os-prober:
  syslinux:
  syslinux-common:
  syslinux-themes-debian:
  syslinux-themes-debian-wheezy:
  unetbootin-translations:

 during boot, it showed those other options, which I don't like, like
 memory-test,
 mac OS x 32
 mac OS x 64
 
 These would have been added due to in installation of os-prober which
 scanned your system and found two Operating Installs from a certain
 fruit-based company.
 

 so I purged the installed packages.

 now the /boot shows me:

 /boot# ls
 config-3.2.0-3-amd64  initrd.img-3.3.5  vmlinuz-3.2.0-3-amd64
 config-3.3.5  lost+foundvmlinuz-3.3.5
 grub  System.map-3.2.0-3-amd64
 initrd.img-3.2.0-3-amd64  System.map-3.3.5


 but weird that the options like

 mac os 32
 mac os 64

 still showed in booting interface. btw, they are not working and I
 don't expect them to work, only with to remove them.

 But I don't know how to remove.
 
 If os-prober is de-installed, you should be able to run update-grub2
 as root to regenerate your boot list without the probed entries.
Thanks Darac, the update-grub2 works.

Best regards,
 
 If you wish to keep os-prober installed, but not use it, try removing
 the executable bit from /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober (a dpkg-statoverride
 entry will make that permanent).
 


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Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file:

2012-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
unarchive 617940
reopen 617940
thanks

This bug still exists.

See message:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/09/msg9.html

and despite that it says there are no followups there are!, starting
at:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/09/msg9.html

The reason(s) for this bug being reopened are all the associated messages.
It appears this bug was closed in error. 

Please keep debian-user in CC.

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reopening 617940 and archive software (was Re: xsesssion-errors)

2012-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 04:25:54PM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 12:59:04AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
  So what now?
 
 If the bug needs re-opening, unarchive it and reopen it:
 http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control
 
 Probably something like this to cont...@bugs.debian.org
 
   unarchive 617940
   reopen 617940
   thanks
 
 It would be worth appending any additional information/testing to the
 bug, once opened, to aid the maintainer.

Short story - Done!
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I believe I've found a bug in the listserver software, regarding threads
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listmaster, please keep debian-user in CC, as it concerns debian-users
searching the archives for information.

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OK, found
http://lists.debian.org//debian-user/2012/08/msg02006.html

(Despite .xsession-errors being spelled as xsesssion-errors didn't help
much.) :(

but it shows as having no follow ups!! despite Lee's message:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/09/msg9.html
and associated followups in the next month. 

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/09/msg9.html which
references the original, but:
the link
http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/50411AF5.7080809%40videotron.ca
which resolves to:
http://lists.debian.org//debian-user/2012/08/msg02006.html
which is in the previous month and hence doesn't show up!
You get:

The requested URL /msgid-search/50411af5.7080...@videotron.ca was not
found on this server.


(Go to http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/09/msg9.html and
click the In-reply-to: 50411af5.7080...@videotron.ca link to see
what I mean.) It also takes ages to come back with a response. (to the
point of extreme frustration, and not knowing if you have struck a
timeout situation or an actual fault, which is why I'd like someone to
confirm it.

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Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio

2012-09-04 Thread lee
Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net writes:

 a howto got put up on the orca-list email list describing how to install 
 a graphical user environment and have it come up talking and pulse in 
 any of its forms is not part of how to do it, so the claim that pulse 
 adds extra layers of complexity I have had direct experience on over 
 here!

Did you use it? I'm avoiding it since it's more than difficult enough to
get alsa to work, and once it does, it does and I don't see any need for
pulseaudio.

Having that said, alsa doesn't fully work in that the microphone input
of the on-board sound card is dead ever since audacious did something to
it. Pulseaudio won't fix that, and better don't ever run audacious ...


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Re: nvidia CK804 sound card question

2012-09-04 Thread lee
Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net writes:

 Yes I have sound.  rexima and aumix appear unable to locate any cards 
 even with several different combinations of items parsed from the 
 relevant lspci line.

According to [1] (which probably applies), you might want to try
something like rexima -d /dev/mixer. Parsing strings to rexima or
aumix that have been taken from the output of lspci probably isn't the
right thing to do.

What exactly are you doing, and do you get any error messages?


[1]: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/rexima.1.html


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Re: need kernel update for lenny ..

2012-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 02:49:00PM +, Camaleón wrote:
  ¹http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg01890.html
  
  No mention about security support in that post either ..., or was it in
  another thread?
 
 Are you wearing your glasses now? 

Don't need them! You don't spell Security support as p, a, t, c, h, e, s
more below.

 Sure? Okay, here it goes ...

 ***
 No, of couse, because as it happens with any stable release, Lenny did 
 not provide a kernel upgrade (other than patches) from their usual repo.
   ^^

Which implies all patches are backported.

You do realise that added features come as patches but are not backported 
don't you?

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Re: alsa-base breaks linux-sound-base

2012-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 07:31:34AM +0200, lee wrote:
 When they are only different in version, then what is bad about having
 packages from Debian-multimedia, and why should I remove them?

Read this:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ

Also, just found this:
http://blogs.dailynews.com/click/2012/06/debian-project-leader-stefano.html

 And how about the ones that aren't available in Debian?

You can build them yourself using the build dependencies from Debian.
If you go that route then that is when you'll need the deb-src entries
in your sources list. There are some guides on the net:

Or there is sometimes a Debian package provided by a third party on a
best effort basis, but may need some massaging, see:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/07/msg01750.html


P.S. Google is your friend, careful search terms will 
gradually decrease your reliance on this list. 

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Re: Why is Nautilus using 38% CPU?

2012-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 06:37:28PM +0200, lee wrote:
 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:
  On Sun, Sep 02, 2012 at 09:29:32PM +0200, lee wrote:
  Fvwm-crystal is awesome.
 
  Huh? Compare apt-cache show fvwm-crystal with apt-cache show awesome
 
  They are completely different. :)
 
 No, different isn't in Debian:
 
 
 ,
 | ~ $ apt-cache show different
 | N: Unable to locate package different
 | E: No packages found
 | ~ $ 
 `

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libsdl1.2-dev – Nolonger supports Color Ascii Ourput (libcaca) - WHY?!

2012-09-04 Thread Nzvr Salamon
What the fuck? Why did you drop support for libcaca output.

Secondly, what are the commands to download the source, then change one setting 
(add the libcaca support to sdl), and then recompile a new sdl package?

SDL_VIDEODRIVER=caca ./dgen SONIC1.BIN

sdl: Couldn't init SDL: No available video device!

Fucking bullshit mang.
Fucking bullshit.

You take away.
Just because you don't like the name of the library.

(64bit amd)
(debian stable)

Poor veth performance

2012-09-04 Thread Darren Baginski
Hi!

I faced poor veth performance on Debian squeeze.
What I did

1) #ip link add  type veth
2) #cat /etc/vservers/vserver01/interfaces/0/dev 
veth0
3) #cat /etc/vservers/vserver01/interfaces/0/ip 
192.168.145.119

Whole 192.168.145.0/24 is routed to that host server.
From the linux-vserver container I'm getting about 1Mbit speed while with the 
same attached to lo interface
I'm getting whole wire speed.
Issue is not vserver specific and here only to simplify testing.
Any suggestions ?



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Re: Display settings issue

2012-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
[Please don't top post. Reformatted]

On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 01:25:27PM +0530, Bilal mk wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Andrei POPESCU 
 andreimpope...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Please also attach your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and any file under
  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (if any of exists).
 
 See my xrandr output. This will change every time
   
Please attach your full /var/log/Xorg.0.log
   [48.727] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor AOC, prod id 8784
   [48.727] (II) intel(0): Using hsync ranges from config file
   [48.727] (II) intel(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file
 
  This looks as if some config file is overriding the auto-detected
  values.

 I could not see any xorg.conf file under /etc/X11/

 $ ls
 app-defaults rgb.txt Xreset Xsession.d
 default-display-manager X Xreset.d Xsession.options
 fluxbox xinit Xresources XvMCConfig
 fonts xkb Xsession Xwrapper.config

 $ find . -type f -name xorg.conf

I think you wanted find / -type f -name xorg.conf
but:

compare your output with:
find /   -name *xorg.conf*

OK back to your problem

What is output of:
ls -al /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d

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Re: [ask] google translate client or similar method

2012-09-04 Thread Morning Star
doing what? i already switch to plain text. :(



On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tuesday 04 September 2012 08:47:41 Morning Star wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:11:14 +0700, Morning Star wrote:
  Hi, but please, no html posts, thanks :-)
 
  sorry, i didn't know that.  :)
 
  You are doing it again and even worse, the reply quotes are completely
  broken... I'll reformat them.

 yeah, my bad. thanks. :)

 You are STILL doing it!!!

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Re: [ask] google translate client or similar method

2012-09-04 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 04 September 2012 14:57:22 Morning Star wrote:
 doing what? i already switch to plain text. :(

 On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Tuesday 04 September 2012 08:47:41 Morning Star wrote:
  On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:11:14 +0700, Morning Star wrote:
   Hi, but please, no html posts, thanks :-)
  
   sorry, i didn't know that.  :)
  
   You are doing it again and even worse, the reply quotes are completely
   broken... I'll reformat them.
 
  yeah, my bad. thanks. :)
 
  You are STILL doing it!!!

Sorry - I think that my mail client may be misreporting. :-(  (Or I may be 
misunderstanding it.)

Lisi



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Re: nvidia CK804 sound card question

2012-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
Jude,

If ls -al /dev/mixer is not there, check that 
the package oss-compat is installed?

If not sure post output of apt-cache policy oss-compat

Hopefully this will fix it.

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Re: [ask] google translate client or similar method

2012-09-04 Thread Morning Star
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry - I think that my mail client may be misreporting. :-(  (Or I may be
 misunderstanding it.)

 Lisi



it's ok now. :)
Lisi, have you tried using stardict? any luck with paragraph translation?


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Re: Weird postfix problem when upgrading to Squeeze

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:20:34 -0300, Pedro Eugênio Rocha wrote:

 The weirdest thing happened today with postfix when upgrading our mail
 relay from Lenny to Squeeze. My main.cf has a mynetworks directive
 specifying which servers can relay without authenticating. It looked
 like this:
 
 mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
   x.x.x.x
   x.x.x.x
   x.x.x.x

And that was working fine for all the IP addresses? :-?

 When I upgraded, things stopped working. After enabling smtpd debug, I
 found that the new postfix was matching only the first line of the
 directive. The previous postfix version was working flawlessly. When I
 changed this line to:
 
 mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 x.x.x.x x.x.x.x x.x.x.x x.x.x.x

This is the format I always use.

 things went back normal. The odd fact is that in the postfix manual it
 is stated
 that:
 
 [0] - Mynetworks - Specify a list of network addresses or
 network/netmask patterns, separated by commas and/or whitespace.
 Continue long lines by starting the next line with whitespace.
 
 Did somebody have this problem? Is this behavior expected? Am I missing
 something here?

Mmmm... there has to be something wrong (then or now) given the other 
format worked for you but after reading the decription from Postfix 
manual I understand the allowed options (regarding long lines) are either:

# long lines
mynetworks = ip/block ip ip/block ip ip/block ip ip/block ip
 ip/block ip 
^
 (whitespace goes up there)

# long lines
mynetworks = ip/block, ip, ip/block, ip, ip/block, ip, ip/block, ip,
 ip/block,ip 
^
 (white space goes up there)

And Postfix is very nitpitcky with the correctness of the file formats :-)

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Re: Advice about removing cruft?

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 16:04:26 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:

 In an effort to improve system stability without completely
 reinstalling, how would someone pick and choose things to trim or remove
 from a Desktop/Workstation?  My favorite and main Linux/Debian machine
 is flaky right now, and I don't want to commit the time and mental
 effort to completely nuke from orbit [it's the only way to be sure].
 Also, I'd rather not rely on automated tools, especially, but not
 necessarily only, apt-get autoremove.  I realize I haven't given you
 specifics yet, but I'm looking at where best to start, besides just
 removing unused packages.  Systemic cruft in particular, e.g., daemons
 or services loaded that are redundant or silly, such as tracker.
 
 Any ideas?

What's you final goal? I mean, do you want to completely remove GNOME or 
do you want to get rid of something in special?

I only know one way for that which is by manually removing the packages 
and being specialy careful when it comes to libraries. 

But tracker, for instance, can be easily removed with no additional 
drawbacks (well, I had to remove one of the gnome-* metapackages but 
other than that, uninstallation was done clean and straightforward).

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broken pacakages in Synaptic

2012-09-04 Thread Johan Vermeire
Hi,

How can I select in Synaptic only the broken pacakages or
is there another way to do it ?

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Re: broken pacakages in Synaptic

2012-09-04 Thread songbird
Johan Vermeire wrote:
 Hi,

 How can I select in Synaptic only the broken pacakages or
 is there another way to do it ?

  mine show up using the Status button (right under 
Sections in the lower left) when they happen.


  songbird


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Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:47:53 +, T o n g wrote:

 Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio?

As others have already said, yes, you need ALSA (or another kernel API  
as replacement like OSS) in order to have sound working in your system 
while the opposite is not true (ALSA does not need from PA nor ESD, 
Phonom...)

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Re: broken pacakages in Synaptic

2012-09-04 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:41:16 +0200
Johan Vermeire jvm...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Johan,

How can I select in Synaptic only the broken pacakages or
is there another way to do it ?

In the Status view, there should be options for the sections;

Installed
Installed (local or obsolete)
Installed (Manually)
Not Installed
Upgradeable
New
Residual Config
Broken Packages

Some only appear if they're required.  Guess which one you need to look
at?   :-)

One caveat though; if you're trying to remove them, dependencies may be
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Re: some problems in mounting usb

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 11:50:17 +0800, lina wrote:

 there is a usb stick,

(...)

 My question is that, was the way I used to mount via command wrong?

If the USB is formatted with FAT32 you have to set the perms when 
mounting (mount -t vfat -o uid=lina,gid=lina,utf8,umask=xxx...) which 
is done automatically when your DE mounts it.

Remmeber that FAT32 filesystem is completely unaware about file/folder 
ownership and permissions.

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Re: broken pacakages in Synaptic

2012-09-04 Thread Emil Payne

On 09/04/2012 09:41 AM, Johan Vermeire wrote:

Hi,

How can I select in Synaptic only the broken pacakages or
is there another way to do it ?

On the bottom left you will see CUSTOM FILTERS. Then above that, still 
on the lefy, you will see BROKEN.


EP



Re: [ask] google translate client or similar method

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 14:47:41 +0700, Morning Star wrote:

 On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 12:11:14 +0700, Morning Star wrote:


 Hi, but please, no html posts, thanks :-)

 sorry, i didn't know that.  :)

 You are doing it again and even worse, the reply quotes are completely
 broken... I'll reformat them.

 yeah, my bad. thanks. :)

No prob, now looks better, thanks a lot.

 For transliteration functionalities you can look at Stardict or
 Goldendict.

 stardict can't work with paragraph translation.

 Yes, it can (provided you have an Internet connection).

 also, it doesn't support command line translation. :(

 sdcv it does and it relies on Stardict.

 you're right about sdcv, but still i can't translate a paragraph. only a
 word. :(
 do you know what the dictionaries that suit with that?

That's weird... as you can read from their site, Startdict has support 
for full-text translation when you're connected to Internet:

http://www.stardict.org/

But for the command line counterpart (sdcv) can't tell if that feature is 
also available :-?

Google also suggest apertium, take a look at their site, maybe the 
provide a command line option:

http://www.apertium.org

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ifupdown's changelog: Try to remove old /etc/network/run even if it's a symlink

2012-09-04 Thread Regid Ichira
$ zgrep 'Try to remove' /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/changelog.gz
- Try to remove old /etc/network/run even if it's a symlink.
$ ls -l /etc/network/run
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 20 20:59 /etc/network/run - /run/network

  Can I remove /etc/network/run manually?  Just /etc/network/run.  Not
/run/network.
My understanding is that the removal attempt is here:

$ grep -A23 Migrate /var/lib/dpkg/info/ifupdown.postinst
# Migrate /etc/network/run to /run/network
if [ $1 = configure -a $2 !=  -a -e /etc/network/run -a $l != 
/run/network ]
then
  echo Migrating network state directory from $l to /run/network...
  [ -d /run/network ] || mkdir /run/network
  if [ -e /etc/network/run/ifstate ]
  then
echo Moving /etc/network/run/ifstate to /run/network/ifstate
if [ ! -L /etc/network/run/ifstate ]; then
  mv -f /etc/network/run/ifstate /run/network/ifstate
else
  # we do this thing with .dpkg-new just so we don't truncate the
  # state file in the case of crazy symlinked or mount-bound setup
  cat /etc/network/run/ifstate /run/network/ifstate.dpkg-new
  mv -f /etc/network/run/ifstate /run/network/ifstate.dpkg-old
  mv -f /run/network/ifstate.dpkg-new /run/network/ifstate
fi
  fi
  mv -f /etc/network/run /etc/network/run.dpkg-old || true
  ln -s /run/network /etc/network/run
  [ -L /etc/network/run.dpkg-old ]  rm -f /etc/network/run.dpkg-old || 
true
  [ -d /etc/network/run.dpkg-old ]  rmdir /etc/network/run.dpkg-old 
2/dev/null || report_warn Not removing the old contents of /etc/network/run: 
directory not empty; renamed into /etc/network/run.dpkg-old.
fi

  I don't have /etc/network/run.dpkg-old.  I understand that the writer
of that code fragment was cautious about various linkage methods.  I
tried to follow the logic of the code, but failed.  For example,
why is there an explicit 

  ln -s /run/network /etc/network/run

?


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Re: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file:

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 22:24:52 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

(...)

 Please keep debian-user in CC.

Why?! 

People interested in the bug development will manually subscribe to get 
in touch.

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Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio

2012-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 01:06:30PM +0200, lee wrote:
 Having that said, alsa doesn't fully work in that the microphone input
 of the on-board sound card is dead ever since audacious did something to
 it. Pulseaudio won't fix that, and better don't ever run audacious ...

Start a new thread, and no doubt someone will be able to help fix the
problems with your microphone input.

Hint: many people are probably running audacious *and* successfully
using their microphone.

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Re: how to configure contrast buttons on Squeeze laptops ?

2012-09-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 11:21:59AM +0200, David Cho-Lerat wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I've installed Squeeze on 3 different laptops recently :
 a Dell, a Packard Bell and a Toshiba. On the Dell, the
 contrast buttons work : I can press Fn + Up/Down
 to set the screen contrast level.
 
 On the  others, though, they don't (in addition, on the
 Toshiba the mute key doesn't work either).

Laptops can be problematic and each model may require specific
configuration changes.

The best place for laptop related discussion is
debian-lap...@lists.debian.org

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Re: Weird postfix problem when upgrading to Squeeze

2012-09-04 Thread Pedro Eugênio Rocha
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:20:34 -0300, Pedro Eugênio Rocha wrote:

 The weirdest thing happened today with postfix when upgrading our mail
 relay from Lenny to Squeeze. My main.cf has a mynetworks directive
 specifying which servers can relay without authenticating. It looked
 like this:

 mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
   x.x.x.x
   x.x.x.x
   x.x.x.x

 And that was working fine for all the IP addresses? :-?

Yes. It had worked for a couple of years... o.O


 When I upgraded, things stopped working. After enabling smtpd debug, I
 found that the new postfix was matching only the first line of the
 directive. The previous postfix version was working flawlessly. When I
 changed this line to:

 mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 x.x.x.x x.x.x.x x.x.x.x x.x.x.x

 This is the format I always use.

 things went back normal. The odd fact is that in the postfix manual it
 is stated
 that:

 [0] - Mynetworks - Specify a list of network addresses or
 network/netmask patterns, separated by commas and/or whitespace.
 Continue long lines by starting the next line with whitespace.

 Did somebody have this problem? Is this behavior expected? Am I missing
 something here?

 Mmmm... there has to be something wrong (then or now) given the other
 format worked for you but after reading the decription from Postfix
 manual I understand the allowed options (regarding long lines) are either:

 # long lines
 mynetworks = ip/block ip ip/block ip ip/block ip ip/block ip
  ip/block ip
 ^
  (whitespace goes up there)

 # long lines
 mynetworks = ip/block, ip, ip/block, ip, ip/block, ip, ip/block, ip,
  ip/block,ip
 ^
  (white space goes up there)

 And Postfix is very nitpitcky with the correctness of the file formats :-)

The weirdest thing is that it was working before the upgrade. Anyway, just
changing the format solves the problem, but finding where the problem was
gave me some headache and some email lost.  :-}


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Re: need kernel update for lenny ..

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 23:34:43 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 02:49:00PM +, Camaleón wrote:
  ¹http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/08/msg01890.html
  
  No mention about security support in that post either ..., or was it
  in another thread?
 
 Are you wearing your glasses now?
 
 Don't need them! 

(ahem...)

 You don't spell Security support as p, a, t, c, h, e, s more below.

What the...? Patches encompass security fixes and more!

Sorry, if you pretend that I speak with the precision shown by Dr. 
Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory TV series you can start 
forgetting about it :-)

 Sure? Okay, here it goes ...
 
 ***
 No, of couse, because as it happens with any stable release, Lenny
 did not provide a kernel upgrade (other than patches) from their usual
 repo.
   ^^
 
 Which implies all patches are backported.

Uh? Yes, of course (well not all but those that solve security flaws 
and serious problems). I'm afraid I don't follow you...

 You do realise that added features come as patches but are not
 backported don't you?

Yes, I definitely don't follow you. Let's recap to avoid further 
confusion:

1/ Debian stable branches don't receive new kernel releases from the 
usual repositories but they can be obtained from backports.

2/ Debian stable branches do receive kernel upgrades in form of security 
fixes and patches.

3/ That said, you'll never find kernel 3.x branch hitting the security 
repository for Squeeze.

You prefer this way?

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Re: ifupdown's changelog: Try to remove old /etc/network/run even if it's a symlink

2012-09-04 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 06:09:59PM +0300, Regid Ichira wrote:
   Can I remove /etc/network/run manually?  Just /etc/network/run.  Not
 /run/network.
 
   I don't have /etc/network/run.dpkg-old.  I understand that the writer
 of that code fragment was cautious about various linkage methods.  I
 tried to follow the logic of the code, but failed.  For example,
 why is there an explicit 
 
   ln -s /run/network /etc/network/run

The ultimate goal of this block of code is to end up with the ifupdown
state in /run/network, and /etc/network/run symlinked to /run/network.
/etc/network/run used to be symlinked to somewhere writable, and so
could be configured as the sysadmin saw fit.  Now we have /run, this
is no longer configurable: we always place the state in /run/network,
and so the symlink is updated to reflect the new reality.  The code is
complex out of necessity--we support a number of different variants,
and need to make sure we upgrade all of them properly (e.g. it could
be a symlink or a directory).

While ifupdown itself now uses /run/network exclusively, I think the
symlink is left in place to cater for any tools which might want to
look there, so as to not break backward compatibility.  I would
suspect it will be removed in jessie after we've made sure that no
users remain.

For now, it's probably best to leave it in place (though it is likely
perfectly OK to remove, best not to do so until we've tested this as
a supported configuration).  It's not doing any harm even if it's
unused.


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Re: need kernel update for lenny ..

2012-09-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 04 sep 12, 16:11:04, Camaleón wrote:
 
 1/ Debian stable branches don't receive new kernel releases from the 
 usual repositories but they can be obtained from backports.
 
 2/ Debian stable branches do receive kernel upgrades in form of security 
 fixes and patches.
 
 3/ That said, you'll never find kernel 3.x branch hitting the security 
 repository for Squeeze.

4/ The stable kernel for Squeeze has received new hardware support in 
form of backported drivers.

If my understanding is correct this practice is planned to continue also 
for whezzy.

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Re: alsa-base breaks linux-sound-base

2012-09-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 05 sep 12, 00:04:24, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 07:31:34AM +0200, lee wrote:
 
  And how about the ones that aren't available in Debian?
 
 You can build them yourself using the build dependencies from Debian.
 If you go that route then that is when you'll need the deb-src entries
 in your sources list. There are some guides on the net:

Hmm, are you sure about this?

As far as I can tell the deb-src line is needed only for the actual 
source and for 'apt-get build-dep' to figure out the build dependencies 
(since they are only available in the source package.

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Re: need kernel update for lenny ..

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:22:50 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Ma, 04 sep 12, 16:11:04, Camaleón wrote:
 
 1/ Debian stable branches don't receive new kernel releases from the
 usual repositories but they can be obtained from backports.
 
 2/ Debian stable branches do receive kernel upgrades in form of
 security fixes and patches.
 
 3/ That said, you'll never find kernel 3.x branch hitting the security
 repository for Squeeze.
 
 4/ The stable kernel for Squeeze has received new hardware support in
 form of backported drivers.

That goes inside the second point :-P

As I see it, patches include several things which can be security fixes 
or new code that adds feature enhancements (here enters the kernel 
modules that support new devices) or solves stability problems.

And this is also true for the rest of the packages (not just the kernel), 
as I have understood.
 
 If my understanding is correct this practice is planned to continue also
 for whezzy.

Of course, and I hope it remains true for the upcoming stable releases.

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Re: e2fsck errror: Error reading block (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read)

2012-09-04 Thread Sthu Deus
Good time of the day, Kamaraju.


You wrote:

 May be I am missing something here. The USB hard drive I am talking
 is very similar to http://www.amazon.com/Iomega-Prestige-Portable-
 SuperSpeed-35192/dp/B004NIAG5E/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top . The case
 can't be removed.

You have to understand: You have to connect it to the controller
directly OR You can not use what the SMART offers to You. That simple.

Personally, I do not believe that the HDD is not extractable -
speaking in general.


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Re: need kernel update for lenny ..

2012-09-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 04 sep 12, 16:36:27, Camaleón wrote:
 On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:22:50 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 
  On Ma, 04 sep 12, 16:11:04, Camaleón wrote:
  
  1/ Debian stable branches don't receive new kernel releases from the
  usual repositories but they can be obtained from backports.
  
  2/ Debian stable branches do receive kernel upgrades in form of
  security fixes and patches.
  
  3/ That said, you'll never find kernel 3.x branch hitting the security
  repository for Squeeze.
  
  4/ The stable kernel for Squeeze has received new hardware support in
  form of backported drivers.
 
 That goes inside the second point :-P
 
 As I see it, patches include several things which can be security fixes 
 or new code that adds feature enhancements (here enters the kernel 
 modules that support new devices) or solves stability problems.

Sorry Camaleón, you should know better that on debian-user this doesn't 
work :p

You specifically wrote security fixes and patches and there's no way I 
can read that as backported drivers.

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Re: e2fsck errror: Error reading block (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read)

2012-09-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 04 sep 12, 23:39:37, Sthu Deus wrote:
 
 Personally, I do not believe that the HDD is not extractable -
 speaking in general.

To quote an uncle of mine, one only needs a persuader (read: hammer) 
:D

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: Re: debug apache-php dump

2012-09-04 Thread Glenn B. Jakobsen
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:18 PM, David Sastre 
d.sastre.med...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 09:36:59AM -0300, Roberto Scattini wrote:

...
it is a standard package installation, apache2, php5 and
libapache2-mod-php5. i also
installed apache2-dbg, libapr1-dbg, libaprutil1-dbg and php5-dbg.



You need apache2-dbg. Also, check this bugreport¹.



hi david, thanks for your response!

you can see that i already have apache2-dbg installed, and gdb seems
to be loading some symbols from /usr/lib/debug/...



¹http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=346409



this seems to clarify a little... it will not work... just like it 
says...




i will try to build gdb with PIE support by myself...

thanks!!!


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Hi Roberto,

I know it's a bit late, but I ran into the same problem. The easiest 
solution I could come up with was to fetch gdb 7.3-1~bpo60+1 from the 
squeeze backports.

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/gdb

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Re: Weird postfix problem when upgrading to Squeeze

2012-09-04 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/3/2012 3:20 PM, Pedro Eugênio Rocha wrote:
 Hi guys,
 
 The weirdest thing happened today with postfix when upgrading our mail
 relay from Lenny to Squeeze. My main.cf has a mynetworks directive
 specifying which servers can relay without authenticating. It looked like 
 this:
 
 mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
   x.x.x.x
   x.x.x.x
   x.x.x.x
 
 When I upgraded, things stopped working. After enabling smtpd debug,
 I found that the new postfix was matching only the first line of the 
 directive.
 The previous postfix version was working flawlessly. When I changed this
 line to:
 
 mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 x.x.x.x x.x.x.x x.x.x.x x.x.x.x
 
 things went back normal. The odd fact is that in the postfix manual it
 is stated
 that:
 
 [0] - Mynetworks - Specify a list of network addresses or network/netmask
 patterns, separated by commas and/or whitespace. Continue long lines by
 starting the next line with whitespace.
 
 Did somebody have this problem? Is this behavior expected? Am I missing
 something here?

You likely had trailing white space after 127.0.0.0/8 which is not
allowed.  Did you check your postfix logs?

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Re: e2fsck errror: Error reading block (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read)

2012-09-04 Thread Sthu Deus
Good time of the day, Andrei.


You wrote:

 To quote an uncle of mine, one only needs a persuader (read:
 hammer) :D

You have very wise uncle! :o)


Sthu.


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Re: libsdl1.2-dev – Nolonger supports Color Ascii Ourput (libcaca) - WHY?!

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 05:17:06 -0700, Nzvr Salamon wrote:

 What the fuck? 

Please refrain from bad wording and also from sending html posts... :-/

 Why did you drop support for libcaca output.

You mean us? This list is for users not devels, we did nothing.

So better that you start first by explaining in plain and detailed (and 
also educate) words what's your complaint all about to canalize your 
claims through the right channel.

 Secondly, what are the commands to download the source, then change one
 setting (add the libcaca support to sdl), and then recompile a new sdl
 package?

You can, for instance, go here, download the sources and make your own 
mods:

http://packages.qa.debian.org/libs/libsdl1.2.html

 SDL_VIDEODRIVER=caca ./dgen SONIC1.BIN
 
 sdl: Couldn't init SDL: No available video device!

(...)

Are you familiarized with Debian BTS (bug tracking system)? If you think 
there's any problem or something is broken or you have a suggestion... 
you can report it. Bad manners don't help at all.

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Re: Weird postfix problem when upgrading to Squeeze

2012-09-04 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/4/2012 10:58 AM, Pedro Eugênio Rocha wrote:

 The weirdest thing is that it was working before the upgrade. Anyway, just
 changing the format solves the problem, but finding where the problem was
 gave me some headache and some email lost.  :-}

http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html

Each logical line is in the form parameter = value. Whitespace around
the = is ignored, as is whitespace at the end of a logical line.

Empty lines and whitespace-only lines are ignored, as are lines whose
first non-whitespace character is a `#'.

A logical line starts with non-whitespace text. A line that starts with
whitespace continues a logical line.


Reading that carefully reveals your problem, which I already explained.
 Whitespace at the end of a line terminates the line, making it a
logical line.  Therefore, you cannot continue that logical line.
Therefore, the leading space on the following 3 lines causes Postfix to
ignore them, because logical lines begin with non-whitespace characters.

Thus, never use trailing whitespace in a Postfix configuration file.
Recent versions of Postfix are much pickier about enforcing
main/master.cf syntax.  Postfix 2.9 even informs you of deprecated and
unused parameter definitions in your config files.

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no input from microphone (Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)

2012-09-04 Thread lee
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:

 On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 01:06:30PM +0200, lee wrote:
 Having that said, alsa doesn't fully work in that the microphone input
 of the on-board sound card is dead ever since audacious did something to
 it. Pulseaudio won't fix that, and better don't ever run audacious ...

 Start a new thread, and no doubt someone will be able to help fix the
 problems with your microphone input.

The start a new thread request always kills the discussion. Let's see
what happens when I make a new one out of this ...

 Hint: many people are probably running audacious *and* successfully
 using their microphone.

I don't think it's fixable. This on-board card shows up in lspci as
Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF100 High Definition Audio
Controller and is recognised fine by alsa. Sound output of that card
works, and I can turn up the mixer settings for the microphone all I
want and there is no input whatsoever from the mic. I have another card
installed and the same mic works with the additional card, so the
problem is not the mic. It used to work before I did something with
audacious which gave me a warning that it might not be a good idea --- I
don't remember what that was. Since then, the mic input of the card is
dead and I don't use audacious anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?


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Re: alsa-base breaks linux-sound-base

2012-09-04 Thread lee
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:

 On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 07:31:34AM +0200, lee wrote:
 When they are only different in version, then what is bad about having
 packages from Debian-multimedia, and why should I remove them?

 Read this:
 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/FAQ

 Also, just found this:
 http://blogs.dailynews.com/click/2012/06/debian-project-leader-stefano.html

That's interesting --- the question is what would actually be missing or
not working if I removed everything from dmo and replaced it with what's
in Debian.

 And how about the ones that aren't available in Debian?

 You can build them yourself using the build dependencies from Debian.
 If you go that route then that is when you'll need the deb-src entries
 in your sources list. There are some guides on the net:

Are you saying that there are sources in Debian packages for which no
binary packages exist? What I don't want is having to gather lots of
various software from all kinds of different sources and try to install
it. That has a lot of disadvantages, and some software you can't even
compile without major modifications.


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Re: dev pts mystery

2012-09-04 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 20:30:48 -0400, songbird wrote:

(...)

   so are there any ideas on how to remove /dev/pts/2
 or reset the whole udev tty virtual device setup?

(...)

Maybe this helps (or gives you some hints):

http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/filesystems/devpts.txt

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Re: dev pts mystery

2012-09-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 03 Sep 2012, songbird wrote:
   somehow (i can't say what happened or i'd
 have the answer), now it looks like:
 
 crw--w 1 me   tty  136, 0 Sep  3 20:05 0
 crw--w 1 me   tty  136, 1 Sep  3 20:10 1
 crw--w 1 root tty  136, 2 Sep  4  2012 2
 crw--w 1 me   tty  136, 3 Sep  3 20:05 3
 crw--w 1 me   tty  136, 4 Sep  3 20:05 4
 c- 1 root root   5, 2 Sep  3 14:53 ptmx

ps auxwww | grep pts/2  could tell you more about whatever has pts/2 open.

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mdadm -localhost problem

2012-09-04 Thread Ross Boylan
Summary: mdadm on squeeze rewrites the UUID I give it with the
localhost, even if I do not specify localhost.  I am trying to repair a
RAID for use on lenny with an existing UUID.  Is there a way to avoid
the rewrite?  Other solutions?

Details

A lenny host has two virtual machines, VM1 (lenny) and VM2 (squeeze).
There are two virtual disks, VD0 and VD1, whose 3rd partition forms
RAID1 (md1), intended for VM1.  That same partition was in a RAID
before, but I grew it and so there is no RAID superblock near the end
anymore. I need to recreate the superblock without zapping the good data
on the partition.

From VM2:
# mdadm --create /dev/md1 --uuid=6f05ff4e:b4d49c1f:7fa21d88:ad0c50a9
--metadata=0.90 --level=mirror --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb3 missing
mdadm: array /dev/md1 started.
# mdadm --examine /dev/sdb3
/dev/sdb3:
  Magic : a92b4efc
Version : 0.90.00
   UUID : 6f05ff4e:b4d49c1f:f1c4dd81:d9ca9b38 (local to host
squeeze00)

The man appears to say the UUID specified on the command line should
govern(*), but it doesn't.

Some possible fixes:
1) Get mdadm to use the UUID I specify.

2) Use the new UUID and edit the mdadm.conf for VM1 to match.  Do I need
to update the initramfs, and if so how?  And will VM1 accespt the new
UUID, or do its own rewriting with its own hostname?

3) Use mdadm from the (lenny) host system, since the localhost stuff is
new in squeeze.  I don't know how to access the virtual disks outside of
a VM to do this.

4) Find an appropriate rescue system image for lenny, start it in a VM,
and run mdadm from there.  I wonder if stopping VM1's startup while it's
still in the initrd would be enough.

Thanks.
Ross Boylan

(*) from man mdadm on squeeze:
  Also, using --uuid= when creating a v0.90 array will silently
  override any --homehost= setting.
Technically I didn't specify --homehost; maybe I should try that in
order to get the host ignored!



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Re: [ask] google translate client or similar method

2012-09-04 Thread Brian
On Tue 04 Sep 2012 at 14:47:41 +0700, Morning Star wrote:

 you're right about sdcv, but still i can't translate a paragraph. only
 a word. :(
 do you know what the dictionaries that suit with that?

StarDict is dictionary software, It translates words only. Full-text
translation (what you refer to as paragraph translation) is done using
the translation engines available on some web sites. They do machine
translatiom (MT).

StartDict claims to access these translation engines but, considering it
has not undergone any development for 4+ years and the world has moved
on, I'd be sceptical. You are the only person in this thread to have
tested the program. It fails for what you want.

If I wanted to do what you want to do I'd be looking at Perl or Python
scripts which interfaced with Google or Bing. There's your command line
criterion fulfilled. Here's a nudge for you:

   
http://wangpidong.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/how-to-use-new-bing-translator-api-with.html

Not Perl but curl. It's something I might try myself but if you get it
to work, please let us know.


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Re: no input from microphone (Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)

2012-09-04 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:
 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:

 On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 01:06:30PM +0200, lee wrote:
 Having that said, alsa doesn't fully work in that the microphone input
 of the on-board sound card is dead ever since audacious did something to
 it. Pulseaudio won't fix that, and better don't ever run audacious ...

 Start a new thread, and no doubt someone will be able to help fix the
 problems with your microphone input.

 The start a new thread request always kills the discussion. Let's see
 what happens when I make a new one out of this ...

 Hint: many people are probably running audacious *and* successfully
 using their microphone.

 I don't think it's fixable.
Sure it is. You even say it used to work. So unless that part of the
chip physically failed, it can be fixed.

 This on-board card shows up in lspci as
 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF100 High Definition Audio
 Controller and is recognised fine by alsa. Sound output of that card
 works, and I can turn up the mixer settings for the microphone all I
 want and there is no input whatsoever from the mic. I have another card
 installed and the same mic works with the additional card, so the
 problem is not the mic. It used to work before I did something with
 audacious which gave me a warning that it might not be a good idea --- I
 don't remember what that was. Since then, the mic input of the card is
 dead and I don't use audacious anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?

Can you post the sound card info from lspci -v (PCI ID, etc) ? And
please post the contents (if an) of /etc/asound.conf and ~/.asoundrc.

I believe you said you are not using PA, are you also not using
any other sound server, like Jack or the ancient aRts or ESD?


Cheers,
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Re: no input from microphone (Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio)

2012-09-04 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:43:21 +0200
lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote:

Hello lee,

problem is not the mic. It used to work before I did something with
audacious which gave me a warning that it might not be a good idea --- I
don't remember what that was. Since then, the mic input of the card is
dead and I don't use audacious anymore. Any ideas how to fix this?

If audacious said it wasn't a good idea, could it be because it was
possible it would kill the mic i/p of the card?

It might be possible to find someone that can fault find the card and
repair it, but it's probably cheaper to simply replace the card.

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Re: Do I still need alsa if I have pulseaudio

2012-09-04 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 09:59:19AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 Yes, pulseaudio needs ALSA. Note that pulseaudio is bad programmed

That's certainly an opinion, and perhaps a commonly-repeated one, but
an opinion non-the-less.


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Re: Weird postfix problem when upgrading to Squeeze

2012-09-04 Thread Pedro Eugênio Rocha
Hi Stan,

I guess that explains the odd behavior. Probably the former version did not
enforce that restriction.

Thanks for the explanation


Best,

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
 On 9/4/2012 10:58 AM, Pedro Eugênio Rocha wrote:

 The weirdest thing is that it was working before the upgrade. Anyway, just
 changing the format solves the problem, but finding where the problem was
 gave me some headache and some email lost.  :-}

 http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html

 Each logical line is in the form parameter = value. Whitespace around
 the = is ignored, as is whitespace at the end of a logical line.

 Empty lines and whitespace-only lines are ignored, as are lines whose
 first non-whitespace character is a `#'.

 A logical line starts with non-whitespace text. A line that starts with
 whitespace continues a logical line.


 Reading that carefully reveals your problem, which I already explained.
  Whitespace at the end of a line terminates the line, making it a
 logical line.  Therefore, you cannot continue that logical line.
 Therefore, the leading space on the following 3 lines causes Postfix to
 ignore them, because logical lines begin with non-whitespace characters.

 Thus, never use trailing whitespace in a Postfix configuration file.
 Recent versions of Postfix are much pickier about enforcing
 main/master.cf syntax.  Postfix 2.9 even informs you of deprecated and
 unused parameter definitions in your config files.

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