Re: A good GUI MUA? - Was: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Kushal Kumaran]

Ralf Mardorf  writes:

> On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 01:43 -0500, Neal Murphy wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 15, 2012 01:09:31 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > Shortcuts to resize the view do
>> > work for Thunar, Xfce's file browser. Such shortcuts depend to the
>> > applications you're using, the view shortcuts are at least common for
>> > all web browsers I know.
>> 
>> I've found  works on a number of apps to scale the fonts 
>> and/or entire window content, in KDE, Gnome and (now) XFCE. If I can replace 
>> kmail, I can drop KDE completely (even though I might miss kmahjonng and 
>> kpatience, a tleast for a while).
>
> I'm looking for a good GUI MUA that allow me to use one source for the
> mails from different Linux installs on a Linux multi-boot machine.
>
> I had good luck using different versions of Evolution sharing one
> maildir, but one install ships with Evolution 3.6 and this version
> completely doesn't work on my machine. When I try to use Evolutions
> maildir with Claws or Kmail it doesn't work.
>
> I'm willing to abandon this maildir and to start a new "source
> directory" to share mails.
>
> Evolution already replaced Mozillas (Thunderbird, Iceweasel, Seamonkey
> etc.), since sharing mails is much easier to set up, when using
> Evolution, at least it was easier, I don't know if it's possible today
> to share emails very easy using Mozillas.
>

One solution (which I use) is to run an imap server off your maildir,
then access the mail using any IMAP-capable MUA.  That should solve your
incompatible-storage-format problem.  I use dovecot as my imap server,
and access it using gnus.  There are several howtos on setting up
dovecot.

I also use notmuch to index the maildir, and I'm considering just
switching to the notmuch emacs mode for reading email.

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A good GUI MUA? - Was: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 01:43 -0500, Neal Murphy wrote:
> On Thursday, November 15, 2012 01:09:31 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Shortcuts to resize the view do
> > work for Thunar, Xfce's file browser. Such shortcuts depend to the
> > applications you're using, the view shortcuts are at least common for
> > all web browsers I know.
> 
> I've found  works on a number of apps to scale the fonts 
> and/or entire window content, in KDE, Gnome and (now) XFCE. If I can replace 
> kmail, I can drop KDE completely (even though I might miss kmahjonng and 
> kpatience, a tleast for a while).

I'm looking for a good GUI MUA that allow me to use one source for the
mails from different Linux installs on a Linux multi-boot machine.

I had good luck using different versions of Evolution sharing one
maildir, but one install ships with Evolution 3.6 and this version
completely doesn't work on my machine. When I try to use Evolutions
maildir with Claws or Kmail it doesn't work.

I'm willing to abandon this maildir and to start a new "source
directory" to share mails.

Evolution already replaced Mozillas (Thunderbird, Iceweasel, Seamonkey
etc.), since sharing mails is much easier to set up, when using
Evolution, at least it was easier, I don't know if it's possible today
to share emails very easy using Mozillas.

Regards,
Ralf




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Re: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Neal Murphy]

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 01:09:31 AM Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Shortcuts to resize the view do
> work for Thunar, Xfce's file browser. Such shortcuts depend to the
> applications you're using, the view shortcuts are at least common for
> all web browsers I know.

I've found  works on a number of apps to scale the fonts 
and/or entire window content, in KDE, Gnome and (now) XFCE. If I can replace 
kmail, I can drop KDE completely (even though I might miss kmahjonng and 
kpatience, a tleast for a while).


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Re: BackupPC restore problem

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 17:53 -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> On 11/14/12 12:48, Gary Roach wrote:
> > I got home from vacation, fired up the systems and one of the hard
> > drives was trashed. Two days of recovery attempts didn't work so I
> > reformatted and reinstalled the Debian Squeeze system.
> 
> What do you mean by "trashed"?
> 
> 
> Have you run any hardware diagnostics on the "trashed" drive, such as 
> those by the drive manufacturer?  For example:
> 
> http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/
> 
> 
> Are you trying to use the "trashed" drive?
> 
> 
> David


Also OT:
Even if the heads do this click-click noise and the HDD can't start up,
it's usually possible to free the heads by knocking against the wired,
but dismantled HDD and to copy data from the drive by repeating this
procedure as often as needed.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Ralf Mardorf]

As Worrier Poet already has written. A lot of us dropped KDE4 and GNOME3
at the time, they changed their policies. I first switched from KDE3 to
GNOME2 and then from GNOME2 to Xfce. Shortcuts to resize the view do
work for Thunar, Xfce's file browser. Such shortcuts depend to the
applications you're using, the view shortcuts are at least common for
all web browsers I know.

The absolute majority seems to be fine with those changes, OTOH many
users, not just a small group, who don't need software that's only
available for Linux, do switch to other *NIX, when several distros
already switched away from the old faithful init daemon.

Regarding to insane DE's, others at least switched to special versions
of their preferred distro, e.g. Ubuntu folks switched to Xubuntu, when
Ubuntu switched from GNOME2 to UNITY.

At the moment I'm annoyed, since I again run into hardware issues, but
while Linux switched to a lot of crap, there are also a lot of good
changes.

Forget your issues with GNOME and switch to Xfce4.

IIRC there are two forks of GNOME2, at least there's Mate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_%28desktop_environment%29

I never tested it. In the past I used all kinds of "experimental" DEs
that are used by only a few people, e.g. e17. Such DE's are a PITA. I
can't say anything about Mate, but I've got prejudices. I preffer to use
a DE with a huge community, such as Xfce and Lxde, whereas Xfce4 is very
close to GNOME2.

You can run Epiphany on GNOME3 and Xfce too.

2 Cents,
Ralf


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CPU scaling problems

[Francesco Mazzoli]

Hi,

I have installed Debian testing on a X1 Carbon, processor i5-3427U.

My problem is the following: when the `ondemand' governor is active, the
processor clock never scales up, it always stays at 800Mhz.  The situation
changes when using the `conservative' or the `performance' governors.  More
curiously, if I set `conservative'/`performance' as the governor for at least
one core, the CPU will scale.  I am on the 3.6.6-trunk-amd64 kernel from
experimental because the intel video driver 3.2 causes random freezes.  To test
if the scaling occurs I run `stress -c 4'.

Things I have tried:

* Enabling/disabling `cpufreqd', `laptop-mode', and `acpid'.  I currently run
  `laptop-mode'.
* The 3.2 kernel in testing
* Enabling/disabling the `xfce4-power-manager', which I use to manage
  suspends/hibernate.

There are some kind-of relevant BIOS options and I will try with those soon but
I doubt that's the issue.

Does anybody have any idea on how to troubleshoot such a problem?  I suspect
that the problem is either in the kernel or in some other software which is
regulating the scaling.

Thanks,
Francesco.


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Re: BackupPC restore problem

[David Christensen]

On 11/14/12 12:48, Gary Roach wrote:

I got home from vacation, fired up the systems and one of the hard
drives was trashed. Two days of recovery attempts didn't work so I
reformatted and reinstalled the Debian Squeeze system.


What do you mean by "trashed"?


Have you run any hardware diagnostics on the "trashed" drive, such as 
those by the drive manufacturer?  For example:


http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/seatools/


Are you trying to use the "trashed" drive?


David


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Re: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:04:10PM +, GEOFF BAGLEY wrote:
> I have been looking forward to the update of
> my favourite operating system Debian  from
> squeeze to wheezy.
> 
> I thought it would be interesting to update
> one of my machines ( an  amd64 bit ASUS), 
> and I have just spent two days trying to use
> the new desktop Gnome3.
> 
> I have been SO disappointed that at this
> moment I am re-installing squeeze.
> 
> I was sorry to see that the very useful 
> GNOME web-browser Epiphany has been replaced
> by a very  stupid and noisy game of that 
> same name.  I had some difficulty getting
> rid of it.
> 
> I have poor eye-sight, and make much use of
> "CTRL shift +"  to magnify that which I need
> to see,  and "CTRL -"  to reverse.  This was not possible in many GNOME3  
> cases.
> 
> Please why can we not have a choice of the
> new-fabgled desktop (for those who like it)
> and the old, well tried Gnome desktop for
> folks like me ?
> 
> I have been using the "old"  version of the
> Gnome desktop ever since they wrecked KDE3
> and introduced KDE4.
> I think that the KDE exampled was abad one,
> but has been repeated.
> 

This won't help with the magnification you want, but I created a Gnome2
lookalike using Fluxbox (or Openbox, or similar) and fbpanel.  Going
this route requires more editing config files and less right-clicking
than you might be used to.  

The attached config files go in ~/.config/fbpanel.  Launch the panels
with these commands:

fbpanel --profile gnome_top_panel &
fbpanel --profile gnome_bottom_panel &

If you're using fluxbox, put those lines in ~/.fluxbox/startup

Also, if you're using fluxbox, put these lines in ~/.fluxbox/init:

session.screen0.toolbar.visible:  false
session.screen0.toolbar.tools:  prevworkspace, workspacename, nextworkspace, 
clock, prevwindow, nextwindow, iconbar   ### just make sure "systemtray" 
doesn't appear in this line

Make sure you take a look at the gnome_top_panel config file and edit
the "space" plugin (currently set to 500) which comes right before the
"tray" plugin.

The config files are pretty easy to follow, so don't panic if you've
never had to edit one before.

Hope this helps somebody.

-Rob

## fbpanel configuration file ##



# DESCRIPTION
# Configuration file consists of mandatory 'Global' block that MUST come first,
# and optionally one or more 'Plugin' block.
# Lines having '#' as first non-blank char or blank lines are ignored
# Keywords are not case-sensitive
# Values are case-sensitive
# Value of variable is a text from first non-blank char after '='
# till the last non-blank char. '#' is NOT treated as coment in this context

# 'Global' block describes global parameters like position, size and
# some NETWM settings

# Global {

# # screen edge
# # legal values are: left, right, top, bottom
# edge = bottom

# # allignment of a panel
# # legal values are: left, right, center
# allign = left

# # length of margin (in pixels)
# # legal values are numbers
# margin = 0

# # widthtype specifies how panel width is calculated
# # legal values are: request, pixel, percent
# #   request - follow widgets' size requests. can shrink or grow 
dynamically
# #   pixel   - occupy fixed number of pixels, then 'width' variable holds 
a number
# #   percent - be 'width' precent of an edge.
# widthType = percent

# # numerical value of width (not applicable for 'request' widthtype)
# # legal values are numbers
# width = 80

# # heighttype specifies how panel height is calculated
# # legal values are: pixel
# #   pixel   - ocupy fixed number of pixels, then 'height' variable holds 
a number
# heightType = pixel

# # numerical value of height (if applicable)
# # legal values are numbers
# height = 28


# # Identify panel window type as dock
# # legal values are boolean
# setDockType = true

# # Reserve panel's space so that it will not be covered by maximazied 
windows
# # legal values are boolean
# # setPartialStrut = true


# # Transparency stuff:
# # tintColor is a color to composite on root background given as #RRGGBB 
or as name
# # alpha is transparency of the tint color.
# # transparent = true
# # tintColor = #FF
# or
# # tintColor = white
# # alpha = 127

# # Autohide
# # autoHide = false
# # heightWhenHidden = 2

# }



# 'Plugin' block specifies a plugin to load. It has same syntax for both
# builtin and external plugins.

# First parameter is 'type'. It's mandatory and must come first
# Legal values are plugin names. Names of builtin plugins are:
# separator   - visual separator
# wincmd  - 'show desktop' button
# taskbar - lists all opened windows (tasks)
# launchbar   - bar with launch button
# image   - just shows an image
# dclock  - digital clock
# space   

Re: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2012 14 Nov 17:47 -0600, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 November 2012 22:23:44 Worrier Poet wrote:
> > I understand
> > that there's a branch of Gnome 2 still under development, but not by the
> > Gnome project people.
> 
> Mate.  And I understood that many of the developers had simply jumped ship.  
> There is also Cinnamon, but I haven't quite gathered what exactly that is.

I happened to try Linux Mint 14-RC last night with the Cinnamon desktop.
The best way for me to describe Cinnamon is that it is a GNOME2
workspace shell built from GNOME3 components.  Much of it is quite
familiar and I was able to figure out work spaces and such in a few
minutes (the key is Ctl-Alt-Up and then adding the workspaces extension
to the panel and configuring keyboard shortcuts).

I did not try the MATE version.  So far it seems that only Linux Mint is
the distribution with a choice of these two projects (I've not looked
extensively at other distros).  Cinnamon desktop is a Linux Mint project
as I understand it.  Hopefully it will find its way into Debian as a GS3
alternative after Wheezey is released.  Over time I suspect it will gain
a following.

- Nate

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Re: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 14 November 2012 22:23:44 Worrier Poet wrote:
> I understand
> that there's a branch of Gnome 2 still under development, but not by the
> Gnome project people.

Mate.  And I understood that many of the developers had simply jumped ship.  
There is also Cinnamon, but I haven't quite gathered what exactly that is.

I jumped ship from KDE 3 to TDE 3.  If you don't like Mate and did like KDE 3 
you might be very happy with it.
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/
Mailing list:
trinity-us...@lists.pearsoncomputing.net

It is a fork of KDE 3.5.10 and it is KDE 3.5.13.1 to all intents and purposes.  
But they are not allowed to mention KDE in the name because of trademarks or 
copyright or something.

One of the main reasons I like it, though there are many, is that it is highly 
configurable, and I have bad eyesight.  I too make liberal use of ctrl with 
+, but I don't use shift to get the plus.  I use the + on the number pad.

Lisi


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Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Charles Kroeger]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:30:01 +0100
Steven Post  wrote:

> the non-free 3rd party packages have not been updated to work with the 
> multiarch
> way of doing things.

So...now we wait, is that about it?

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Re: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Matt Jenny]

The Gnome2 fork is called MATE, I have been using it for the past few
months and have had no problems with it, though I have not tried that
magnification shortcut you mentioned.
On Nov 14, 2012 5:04 PM, "GEOFF BAGLEY"  wrote:

> I have been looking forward to the update of
> my favourite operating system Debian  from
> squeeze to wheezy.
>
> I thought it would be interesting to update
> one of my machines ( an  amd64 bit ASUS),
> and I have just spent two days trying to use
> the new desktop Gnome3.
>
> I have been SO disappointed that at this
> moment I am re-installing squeeze.
>
> I was sorry to see that the very useful
> GNOME web-browser Epiphany has been replaced
> by a very  stupid and noisy game of that
> same name.  I had some difficulty getting
> rid of it.
>
> I have poor eye-sight, and make much use of
> "CTRL shift +"  to magnify that which I need
> to see,  and "CTRL -"  to reverse.  This was not possible in many GNOME3
>  cases.
>
> Please why can we not have a choice of the
> new-fabgled desktop (for those who like it)
> and the old, well tried Gnome desktop for
> folks like me ?
>
> I have been using the "old"  version of the
> Gnome desktop ever since they wrecked KDE3
> and introduced KDE4.
> I think that the KDE exampled was abad one,
> but has been repeated.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Andrew Wood]

My only complaint about Gnome 3 is that it only seems to work with Intel 
graphics chips and no one seems to know (or want to tell me) how to make 
it work with anything else


On 14/11/12 22:23, Worrier Poet wrote:

On 11/14/2012 05:04 PM, GEOFF BAGLEY wrote:

I have been looking forward to the update of
my favourite operating system Debian  from
squeeze to wheezy.

I thought it would be interesting to update
one of my machines ( an  amd64 bit ASUS),
and I have just spent two days trying to use
the new desktop Gnome3.

I have been SO disappointed that at this
moment I am re-installing squeeze.

It's possible that you may have jumped the gun a little on going back to
Squeeze. It may be that you'll want to switch to a different desktop
environment, like Xfce. It's very similar in many ways to older versions
of Gnome. And there are even simpler DEs like LXDE.


I was sorry to see that the very useful
GNOME web-browser Epiphany has been replaced
by a very  stupid and noisy game of that
same name.  I had some difficulty getting
rid of it.

Epiphany browser is still available in Wheezy, as the epiphany-browser
package.


I have poor eye-sight, and make much use of
"CTRL shift +"  to magnify that which I need
to see,  and "CTRL -"  to reverse.  This was not possible in many GNOME3  cases.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that feature of the old Gnome, and I
don't know whether or not a similar feature exists in Xfce.


Please why can we not have a choice of the
new-fabgled desktop (for those who like it)
and the old, well tried Gnome desktop for
folks like me ?

Well, there have been a lot of folks who feel that way. I understand
that there's a branch of Gnome 2 still under development, but not by the
Gnome project people. I don't recall the name of that alternative. Gnome
had already got a bit gimmicky for me in later versions of 2.x, so I had
already wandered off into Xfce-land by the time Gnome 3 came out.


I have been using the "old"  version of the
Gnome desktop ever since they wrecked KDE3
and introduced KDE4.
I think that the KDE exampled was abad one,
but has been repeated.

Yes, there has been much discontent since the advent of both KDE4 and
Gnome 3. I hope the Gnome project folks are making lots of omelets,
'cause they've certainly broken a lot of eggs.

;-)

I hope you find something suitable to your needs.

Best regards,
the worrier






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Re: Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[Worrier Poet]

On 11/14/2012 05:04 PM, GEOFF BAGLEY wrote:
> I have been looking forward to the update of
> my favourite operating system Debian  from
> squeeze to wheezy.
> 
> I thought it would be interesting to update
> one of my machines ( an  amd64 bit ASUS), 
> and I have just spent two days trying to use
> the new desktop Gnome3.
> 
> I have been SO disappointed that at this
> moment I am re-installing squeeze.

It's possible that you may have jumped the gun a little on going back to
Squeeze. It may be that you'll want to switch to a different desktop
environment, like Xfce. It's very similar in many ways to older versions
of Gnome. And there are even simpler DEs like LXDE.

> I was sorry to see that the very useful 
> GNOME web-browser Epiphany has been replaced
> by a very  stupid and noisy game of that 
> same name.  I had some difficulty getting
> rid of it.

Epiphany browser is still available in Wheezy, as the epiphany-browser
package.

> I have poor eye-sight, and make much use of
> "CTRL shift +"  to magnify that which I need
> to see,  and "CTRL -"  to reverse.  This was not possible in many GNOME3  
> cases.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that feature of the old Gnome, and I
don't know whether or not a similar feature exists in Xfce.

> Please why can we not have a choice of the
> new-fabgled desktop (for those who like it)
> and the old, well tried Gnome desktop for
> folks like me ?

Well, there have been a lot of folks who feel that way. I understand
that there's a branch of Gnome 2 still under development, but not by the
Gnome project people. I don't recall the name of that alternative. Gnome
had already got a bit gimmicky for me in later versions of 2.x, so I had
already wandered off into Xfce-land by the time Gnome 3 came out.

> I have been using the "old"  version of the
> Gnome desktop ever since they wrecked KDE3
> and introduced KDE4.
> I think that the KDE exampled was abad one,
> but has been repeated.

Yes, there has been much discontent since the advent of both KDE4 and
Gnome 3. I hope the Gnome project folks are making lots of omelets,
'cause they've certainly broken a lot of eggs.

;-)

I hope you find something suitable to your needs.

Best regards,
the worrier


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Re: Found problem source - BUG or undocumented "feature"? - was[Re: Mounting of USB flash drives - observed strangeness]

[Arno Schuring]

Richard Owlett (rowl...@cloud85.net on 2012-11-14 13:05 -0600):
> 
> The source of the discrepancy is whether or not a USB flash 
> drive is present (for whatever reason) during Debian 
> installation.
> 
> If there has been no USB flash drive present during install, 
> then a labeled device shows up as /media/ as 
> expected.
> 

Having just done some Wheezy usb installs, I can confirm this for
wheezy. However I'm not sure what solution it is you're looking for
("do not create /media entry points for usb removables detected during
install"?). If you can explain that, perhaps the formulation of the bug
report follows naturally.

While you're at it, you may want to ask why the installer doesn't allow
putting /media on a separate filesystem.


Regards,
Arno


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Re: OT: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Arno Schuring]

Ralf Mardorf (ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net on 2012-11-14 19:41 +0100):
> On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 13:30 -0500, Tom H wrote:
> 
> And if for Debian udev still should be available as an
> independent package, then because Debian maintainers extract it from
> systemd, "In April 2012, udev's source tree was merged into systemd" -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev
> 

Actually, it's because Wheezy's udev version (175) is from before the
systemd merge.


Regards,
Arno


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Gnome3 and Wheezy.

[GEOFF BAGLEY]

I have been looking forward to the update of
my favourite operating system Debian  from
squeeze to wheezy.

I thought it would be interesting to update
one of my machines ( an  amd64 bit ASUS), 
and I have just spent two days trying to use
the new desktop Gnome3.

I have been SO disappointed that at this
moment I am re-installing squeeze.

I was sorry to see that the very useful 
GNOME web-browser Epiphany has been replaced
by a very  stupid and noisy game of that 
same name.  I had some difficulty getting
rid of it.

I have poor eye-sight, and make much use of
"CTRL shift +"  to magnify that which I need
to see,  and "CTRL -"  to reverse.  This was not possible in many GNOME3  cases.

Please why can we not have a choice of the
new-fabgled desktop (for those who like it)
and the old, well tried Gnome desktop for
folks like me ?

I have been using the "old"  version of the
Gnome desktop ever since they wrecked KDE3
and introduced KDE4.
I think that the KDE exampled was abad one,
but has been repeated.

Best wishes.

Geoff 


 




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BackupPC restore problem

[Gary Roach]

Hi all

I sent a copy of this to the backuppc mailing list but response is a bit slow. 
So if someone has some experience with backuppc and can help, it will be 
sincerely appreciated.

I got home from vacation, fired up the systems and one of the hard drives was 
trashed. Two days of recovery attempts  didn't work so I reformatted and 
reinstalled the Debian Squeeze system. I re-established the rsyncd connection 
to the backup system and started a restore from the GUI. The next morning I 
found all of the proper directory structure  installed but no data in the 
directories. I then tried to create a tar file. The file created held only the 
directory
strucure. The data is all there in a full backup of the system. I can even open 
the files on the backup disk. Anyone know what could cause this problem. I 
found one other person that had this problem and solved it by switching off the 
proxy service in the browser. This didn't work for me.

The instructions for creating a tar file at the command line are beyond my ken. 
It might work if you could get BackupPC_tarCreate to actually run, find the 
proper security setup for it and figure out where to put the tar file. I gave 
up.

Thanks in advance

Gary R



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Re: OT: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Tom H]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 13:30 -0500, Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Ralf Mardorf
>>  wrote:


>>> I guess the averaged Ubuntu user isn't aware that Ubuntu switched from
>>> init to upstart, the averaged Arch user is aware of the switch from
>>> initscripts to systemd. I wonder if it was possible to Upgrade from
>>> Ubuntu old school to Ubuntu upstart? I think so, because Ubuntu e.g.
>>> still maintains policykit, udev. Arch doesn't!
>>
>> You must mean consolekit not policykit.
>>
>> You're underestimating Ubuntu users. For example, NetworkManager's
>> startup has been migrated to upstart so
>>
>> [initctl] restart network-manager
>> and
>> service network-manager restart
>>
>> work and
>>
>> invoke-rc.d network-manager restart
>> and
>> /etc/init.d/network-manager
>>
>> don't work.
>>
>> So, at the very least, anyone using Ubuntu who's had to restart a
>> service that's been migrated to upstart knows that something's
>> changed.


> No, I'm talking about the kit family and especially about PolicyKit
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PolicyKit .
>
> And if for Debian udev, PolicyKit etc. still should be available as an
> independent package, then because Debian maintainers extract it from
> systemd, "In April 2012, udev's source tree was merged into systemd" -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev

Please don't confise the "*kits"; policykit's independent of systemd
whereas consolekit has been deprecated by systemd-logind (and I assume
that distributions that aren't defaulting to systemd are continuing to
work on it; hopefully jointly).

Systemd hasn't gobbled up policykit yet, but hope springs eternal! :)

The big recent change in policykit is the move to javascript rules
rather than xml or ini-style ones.



> There are still howtos for Ubuntu, that refer to "/etc/init.d/foo start|
> stop|status" instead of "service".

Whether it's clear in those howtos or not, they apply to daemons that
haven't been migrated to upstart, two that come to mind immediately
are apache2 and nginx.


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Found problem source - BUG or undocumented "feature"? - was[Re: Mounting of USB flash drives - observed strangeness]

[Richard Owlett]

Richard Owlett wrote:

I've a 64 GB USB stick formatted as FAT32 as it will be
occasionally used on a Windows machine.

Right now I'm trying to use it on two Debian 6.0.5 machines
created from the same DVD. One is physically a desktop
machine whose install was done in "expert" mode -- do not
recall what options I chose. The second is physically a
laptop whose install was done in "non-expert" mode accepting
all defaults.

The result is:

For the DESKTOP

richard@debian:~$ ls -l /media
total 36
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rootroot6 Nov  8 01:47 cdrom -> cdrom0
drwxr-xr-x 2 rootroot 4096 Nov  8 01:47 cdrom0
drwx-- 5 richard richard 32768 Dec 31  1969 COPYDVD
richard@debian:~$ ls -l /media/*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rootroot6 Nov  8 01:47 /media/cdrom
-> cdrom0

/media/cdrom0:
total 0

/media/COPYDVD:
total 8288
drwx-- 3 richard richard   32768 Nov  8 09:01 dists
-rw-r--r-- 1 richard richard 8395730 Nov 11 07:45 Packages.gz
drwx-- 4 richard richard   32768 Nov  8 09:02 pool
richard@debian:~$


For the LAPTOP
richard@debian:~$ ls -l /media
total 36
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rootroot 6 Nov 12 08:00 cdrom -> cdrom0
drwxr-xr-x 2 rootroot  4096 Nov 12 08:00 cdrom0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rootroot 4 Nov 12 08:00 usb -> usb0
drwxr-xr-x 5 richard root 32768 Dec 31  1969 usb0
richard@debian:~$ ls -l /media/*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rootroot 6 Nov 12 08:00 /media/cdrom ->
cdrom0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 rootroot 4 Nov 12 08:00 /media/usb -> usb0

/media/cdrom0:
total 0

/media/usb0:
total 8288
drwxr-xr-x 3 richard root   32768 Nov  8 03:01 dists
-rwxr-xr-x 1 richard root 8395730 Nov 11 01:45 Packages.gz
drwxr-xr-x 4 richard root   32768 Nov  8 03:02 pool
richard@debian:~$


I'm experimenting with creating a local custom repository
with the contents of several DVDs. I wish to refer to it in
the same manner on all debian machines. I don't have a
particular preference as how I refer to it. I _SHOULD_ be
machine independent!

Could someone explain what's happening here?
TIA


The source of the discrepancy is whether or not a USB flash 
drive is present (for whatever reason) during Debian 
installation.


If there has been no USB flash drive present during install, 
then a labeled device shows up as /media/ as 
expected.


I only have squeeze available. Could someone verify this is 
present in wheezy?

How should I write this up?

TIA



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Re: OT: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 13:30 -0500, Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
> >
> > I guess the averaged Ubuntu user isn't aware that Ubuntu switched from
> > init to upstart, the averaged Arch user is aware of the switch from
> > initscripts to systemd. I wonder if it was possible to Upgrade from
> > Ubuntu old school to Ubuntu upstart? I think so, because Ubuntu e.g.
> > still maintains policykit, udev. Arch doesn't!
> 
> You must mean consolekit not policykit.
> 
> You're underestimating Ubuntu users. For example, NetworkManager's
> startup has been migrated to upstart so
> 
> [initctl] restart network-manager
> and
> service network-manager restart
> 
> work and
> 
> invoke-rc.d network-manager restart
> and
> /etc/init.d/network-manager
> 
> don't work.
> 
> So, at the very least, anyone using Ubuntu who's had to restart a
> service that's been migrated to upstart knows that something's
> changed.

No, I'm talking about the kit family and especially about PolicyKit
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PolicyKit .


And if for Debian udev still should be available as an
independent package, then because Debian maintainers extract it from
systemd, "In April 2012, udev's source tree was merged into systemd" -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev

There are still howtos for Ubuntu, that refer to "/etc/init.d/foo start|
stop|status" instead of "service".

Regards,
Ralf





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Re: OT: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 13:30 -0500, Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Ralf Mardorf
>  wrote:
> >
> > I guess the averaged Ubuntu user isn't aware that Ubuntu switched from
> > init to upstart, the averaged Arch user is aware of the switch from
> > initscripts to systemd. I wonder if it was possible to Upgrade from
> > Ubuntu old school to Ubuntu upstart? I think so, because Ubuntu e.g.
> > still maintains policykit, udev. Arch doesn't!
> 
> You must mean consolekit not policykit.
> 
> You're underestimating Ubuntu users. For example, NetworkManager's
> startup has been migrated to upstart so
> 
> [initctl] restart network-manager
> and
> service network-manager restart
> 
> work and
> 
> invoke-rc.d network-manager restart
> and
> /etc/init.d/network-manager
> 
> don't work.
> 
> So, at the very least, anyone using Ubuntu who's had to restart a
> service that's been migrated to upstart knows that something's
> changed.

No, I'm talking about the kit family and especially about PolicyKit
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PolicyKit .


And if for Debian udev, PolicyKit etc. still should be available as an
independent package, then because Debian maintainers extract it from
systemd, "In April 2012, udev's source tree was merged into systemd" -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev

There are still howtos for Ubuntu, that refer to "/etc/init.d/foo start|
stop|status" instead of "service".





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Re: OT: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Tom H]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Ralf Mardorf
 wrote:
>
> I guess the averaged Ubuntu user isn't aware that Ubuntu switched from
> init to upstart, the averaged Arch user is aware of the switch from
> initscripts to systemd. I wonder if it was possible to Upgrade from
> Ubuntu old school to Ubuntu upstart? I think so, because Ubuntu e.g.
> still maintains policykit, udev. Arch doesn't!

You must mean consolekit not policykit.

You're underestimating Ubuntu users. For example, NetworkManager's
startup has been migrated to upstart so

[initctl] restart network-manager
and
service network-manager restart

work and

invoke-rc.d network-manager restart
and
/etc/init.d/network-manager

don't work.

So, at the very least, anyone using Ubuntu who's had to restart a
service that's been migrated to upstart knows that something's
changed.


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Re: WLAN Access Point with Intel 4965 network controller

[Massimo]

Ramon Hofer  bluewin.ch> writes:

> 
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 08:38:05 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 00:32:02 + (UTC) Ramon Hofer
> >  bluewin.ch> wrote:
> > 
> >> I'm using Squeeze with 2.6.32-5-686 and I'm trying to configure my
> >> Thinkpad X61s to act as WLAN Access Point. It has an Intel 4965
> >> chipset:
> >> 
> >> # lspci
> >> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or
> >> AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> >> Maybe the controller can't be used in master mode? Here's the output of
> >> # iw phy phy0 info
> >> http://pastebin.com/LCbYFghh
> >> 
> >> It says on lines 20ff:
> >>Supported interface modes:
> >> * IBSS
> >> * managed
> >> * monitor
> >> 
> >> As far as I understand this is a problem as there should also be master
> >> listed?
> > 
> > According to Wikipedia, the iwlwifi drivers indeed do not support master
> > mode:
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-Now the wiki tell that
iwlwifi support Master Mode: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers

but I try and it seems to not work 

iw phy phy0 info | less

Supported interface modes:
 * IBSS
 * managed
 * monitor
software interface modes (can always be added):
 * monitor
.




even if the output of iw command show something about 
AP and AP/VLAN for TX and RX frames:

Supported TX frame types:
 * IBSS: 0x00 0x10 0x20 0x30 0x40 0x50 0x60 0x70 
 * managed: 0x00 0x10 0x20 0x30 0x40 0x50 0x60 0
 * AP: 0x00 0x10 0x20 0x30 0x40 0x50 0x60 
 * AP/VLAN: 0x00 0x10 0x20 0x30 0x40 0x50 0
 * mesh point: 0x00 0x10 0x20 0x30 0x40 0x
 * P2P-client: 0x00 0x10 0x20 0x30 0x40 0x50 0x...
 * P2P-GO: 0x00 0x10 0x20 0x30 0x40 0x50 0x60..
Supported RX frame types:
 * IBSS: 0xb0 0xc0 0xd0
 * managed: 0x40 0xd0
 * AP: 0x00 0x20 0x40 0xa0 0xb0 0xc0 0xd0
 * AP/VLAN: 0x00 0x20 0x40 0xa0 0xb0 0xc0 0xd0
 * mesh point: 0xb0 0xc0 0xd0
 * P2P-client: 0x40 0xd0
 * P2P-GO: 0x00 0x20 0x40 0xa0 0xb0 0xc0 0xd0



using the last firmware available for iwlwifi:

# modinfo iwl4965
filename:  
/lib/modules/3.6-6.slh.3-aptosid-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wirel
ess/iwlegacy/iwl4965.ko
firmware:   iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode
alias:  iwl4965
license:GPL
author: Copyright(c) 2003-2011 Intel Corporation 
version:in-tree:
description:Intel(R) Wireless WiFi 4965 driver for Linux
srcversion: 5ACB01E1C39795670D74138
alias:  pci:v8086d4230sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
alias:  pci:v8086d4229sv*sd*bc*sc*i*
depends:iwlegacy,cfg80211,mac80211
intree: Y
vermagic:   3.6-6.slh.3-aptosid-amd64 SMP preempt mod_unload modversions 
parm:   swcrypto:using crypto in software (default 0 [hardware]) (int)
parm:   queues_num:number of hw queues. (int)
parm:   11n_disable:disable 11n functionality (int)
parm:   amsdu_size_8K:enable 8K amsdu size (int)
parm:   fw_restart:restart firmware in case of error (int)


there is someone who know why? and how to activate the AP or AP/VLAN mode? 

regards

Massimo





> source_wireless_drivers#Driver_capabilities
> > 
> > :( My T61 also has that card ...
> 
> That's too bad 
> 
> But I was able to use my old Thinkpad T43 as a AP 
> 
> Regards
> Ramon
> 





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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 07:13 -0800, lalberts wrote:
> Yes,
> 
> but to aptitude install, i need the packages.. and i removed the usb/cdrom
> from the sources.list.
> so i need the internet.. ftp..
> so no way to update or reinstall.
> 
> but i got licky, i managed the not reproducible login after the root-shell
> and got
> into my user login with net..
> i reinstalled gdm3..  but i do not want to reboot no more.
> did it help?..
> 
> i try later, i know have to use my account..
> 
> lukas

You could add the cdrom to your source list. Since you're writing mails,
you also could download the package with another computer and install it
with dpkg -i.


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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 14 November 2012 15:13:49 lalberts wrote:
> but to aptitude install, i need the packages.. and i removed the usb/cdrom
> from the sources.list.
> so i need the internet.. ftp..
> so no way to update or reinstall.

I still don't understand why you think that you can log-in, in recovery mode 
or anything else, and not have the internet.  What do you see as the problem?

Lisi


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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 14 November 2012 12:01:23 lalberts wrote:
> hello,
> thanks for helping..
> but.. not yet resolved.
> i definitively do not know what i did to have my login work once.
> my gdm is not running when i am in the recovery mode.

No, it shouldn't be.

> if i could start the network as root i could reinstall gdm3..
> but i have no network?

Why not?  Choose single user mode when GRUB offers it, enter your root 
password when it asks you to, and you will have network.  

Or when you say you have no network, do you mean that you are for some 
physical reason not connected?  Broken router or something?

HTH
Lisi


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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 19:55 +0530, L V Gandhi wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM, 
> wrote:
> There are 3 solutions, here.
> The first one is to install KDE, LXDE or XFCE at install time.
> To achieve this, you have to go to installation options, at
> boot time. I do not remember the exact name, maybe
> "advanced"... Here, you will find things like "automated
> install", "expert install", their GUI variants, and
> "alternative desktop environment".
> The last one is a sub-menu which will allow you to choose a
> different DE than gnome.
> 
> The second, installation time again, is to choose to *NOT*
> install desktop environment when the installer ask you which
> package you want to install. After that, you will have to
> install what you want in command line (using apt-get or
> aptitude, depending on your preferences). This is my usual
> install process, removing everything, then going into
> aptitude, disabling auto-install or "recommended" packages (so
> many useless things there...) and adding my usual tools.
> Because I do not use a classic DE, this is easier for me than
> to remove all crap they install, even more since aptitude does
> not auto-remove suggested packages marked as automatic (and so
> makes it harder to have a clean system with only used
> packages).
> 
> The last one is when you have an existing installation.
> Go on a tty, kill gdm (and more generally, X server), then,
> remove gnome* to install what you want.
> Removing gnome* can be made by the aptitude ncurses (easier
> imho), or both aptitude and apt-get command lines.
> 
> Each of those methods have their advantages:
> 1: easier when you do not really want a highly customized
> installation
> 2: the longer way, but let you install only things you are
> almost sure to install
> 3: allow you to correct an error you did at installation time
> 
> If you need more details, just ask again.
> Hope it helps.
> 
> Le 14.11.2012 05:34, L V Gandhi a écrit :
> 
> I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i
> got gnome
> desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.
> 
> 
> I have already installed KDE. Now how to remove GNOME with out
> disturbing KDE?

You can try to remove everything that has to do with GNOME. You'll be
informed, if removing a package would remove dependent packages too.



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libdb4.8dev and qt3-dev-tools in wheezy

[L V Gandhi]

I am not finding libdb4.8dev and qt3-dev-tools in wheezy install beta 3.
How to get them?

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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[lalberts]

Yes,

but to aptitude install, i need the packages.. and i removed the usb/cdrom
from the sources.list.
so i need the internet.. ftp..
so no way to update or reinstall.

but i got licky, i managed the not reproducible login after the root-shell
and got
into my user login with net..
i reinstalled gdm3..  but i do not want to reboot no more.
did it help?..

i try later, i know have to use my account..

lukas



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Re: Macintosh LCD brightness control

[lina]

On Wednesday 14,November,2012 10:56 PM, Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:43:31PM +0800, lina wrote:
>> On Wednesday 14,November,2012 09:31 PM, Darac Marjal wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:03:55PM +1000, adam wolter wrote:
Release 6.0.6 (squeeze)
i have the PowerPC version installed on a lampShade iMac G4.
LCD monitor brightness is controlled by function keys F1 and F2 which 
 have
brightness markings.
it all works well.
i just want to know HOW so i can make similar support in ubuntu.
Volume controls work well also and i can find XF86 Keyboard Shortcuts.
"xdotool key XF86MonBrightnessDown"  works also but there is no Keyboard
Shortcut for it !
Can someone tell me how the F1 key is bound to XF86MonBrightnessDown 
 
please.
>>>
>>> Run the following:
>>>
>>> $ xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode
>>> /s/^.*keycode \([0-9]*\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p'
>>>
>>> (all one line. The initial $ is to show it's to be run as an ordinary
>>> user).
>>>
>>> That should pop up a little window, press Fn+F1 and then FN+F2 and see
>>> what codes you get out. You should get a pair of "Number Function" for
>>> each key.
>>>
>>> Next, add the following lines to "~/.Xmodmap":
>>>
>>> keycode 123 = XF86MonBrightnessUp
>>> keycode 124 = XF86MonBrightnessDown
>>>
>>> (replacing 123 and 124 with the appropriate numbers obtained above). Log
>>> out and restart X (or just reboot) and see if that works.
>>
>> Thanks, I also tried via *touch* the file .Xmodmap under my home
>> directory with
>>
>> $ more .Xmodmap
>> 232 XF86MonBrightnessDown
>> 233 XF86MonBrightnessUp
>>
>> Not work. Furthermore,
>>
>> $ xev | grep -A2 '^KeyRelease'
>> KeyRelease event, serial 39, synthetic NO, window 0x3a1,
>> root 0xb4, subw 0x0, time 307378, (132,112), root:(763,477),
>> state 0x0, keycode 232 (keysym 0x1008ff03, XF86MonBrightnessDown),
>> same_screen YES,
>> --
>> KeyRelease event, serial 39, synthetic NO, window 0x3a1,
>> root 0xb4, subw 0x0, time 308218, (132,112), root:(763,477),
>> state 0x0, keycode 233 (keysym 0x1008ff02, XF86MonBrightnessUp),
>> same_screen YES,
>>
>> I did a reboot.
> 
> OK, so you're getting the appropriate keycodes being sent, but it's
> still not working? Yet it works if you synthetically generate those
> keycodes with "xdotool"? That's very odd.

Do you think it's due to I "touch" the new file .Xmodmap

I checked before but failed to realize which package was missing to have
the .Xmodmap under my home directory.

P.S. I use the dvorak keyboard, which also brings me with another
trouble, the xscreen-saver does not work due to the password
recognization problem.

Thanks again,


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Re: Macintosh LCD brightness control

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:43:31PM +0800, lina wrote:
> On Wednesday 14,November,2012 09:31 PM, Darac Marjal wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:03:55PM +1000, adam wolter wrote:
> >>Release 6.0.6 (squeeze)
> >>i have the PowerPC version installed on a lampShade iMac G4.
> >>LCD monitor brightness is controlled by function keys F1 and F2 which 
> >> have
> >>brightness markings.
> >>it all works well.
> >>i just want to know HOW so i can make similar support in ubuntu.
> >>Volume controls work well also and i can find XF86 Keyboard Shortcuts.
> >>"xdotool key XF86MonBrightnessDown"  works also but there is no Keyboard
> >>Shortcut for it !
> >>Can someone tell me how the F1 key is bound to XF86MonBrightnessDown 
> >> 
> >>please.
> > 
> > Run the following:
> > 
> > $ xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode
> > /s/^.*keycode \([0-9]*\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p'
> > 
> > (all one line. The initial $ is to show it's to be run as an ordinary
> > user).
> > 
> > That should pop up a little window, press Fn+F1 and then FN+F2 and see
> > what codes you get out. You should get a pair of "Number Function" for
> > each key.
> > 
> > Next, add the following lines to "~/.Xmodmap":
> > 
> > keycode 123 = XF86MonBrightnessUp
> > keycode 124 = XF86MonBrightnessDown
> > 
> > (replacing 123 and 124 with the appropriate numbers obtained above). Log
> > out and restart X (or just reboot) and see if that works.
> 
> Thanks, I also tried via *touch* the file .Xmodmap under my home
> directory with
> 
> $ more .Xmodmap
> 232 XF86MonBrightnessDown
> 233 XF86MonBrightnessUp
> 
> Not work. Furthermore,
> 
> $ xev | grep -A2 '^KeyRelease'
> KeyRelease event, serial 39, synthetic NO, window 0x3a1,
> root 0xb4, subw 0x0, time 307378, (132,112), root:(763,477),
> state 0x0, keycode 232 (keysym 0x1008ff03, XF86MonBrightnessDown),
> same_screen YES,
> --
> KeyRelease event, serial 39, synthetic NO, window 0x3a1,
> root 0xb4, subw 0x0, time 308218, (132,112), root:(763,477),
> state 0x0, keycode 233 (keysym 0x1008ff02, XF86MonBrightnessUp),
> same_screen YES,
> 
> I did a reboot.

OK, so you're getting the appropriate keycodes being sent, but it's
still not working? Yet it works if you synthetically generate those
keycodes with "xdotool"? That's very odd.


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Re: Macintosh LCD brightness control

[lina]

On Wednesday 14,November,2012 09:31 PM, Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:03:55PM +1000, adam wolter wrote:
>>Release 6.0.6 (squeeze)
>>i have the PowerPC version installed on a lampShade iMac G4.
>>LCD monitor brightness is controlled by function keys F1 and F2 which have
>>brightness markings.
>>it all works well.
>>i just want to know HOW so i can make similar support in ubuntu.
>>Volume controls work well also and i can find XF86 Keyboard Shortcuts.
>>"xdotool key XF86MonBrightnessDown"  works also but there is no Keyboard
>>Shortcut for it !
>>Can someone tell me how the F1 key is bound to XF86MonBrightnessDown 
>>please.
> 
> Run the following:
> 
> $ xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode
> /s/^.*keycode \([0-9]*\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p'
> 
> (all one line. The initial $ is to show it's to be run as an ordinary
> user).
> 
> That should pop up a little window, press Fn+F1 and then FN+F2 and see
> what codes you get out. You should get a pair of "Number Function" for
> each key.
> 
> Next, add the following lines to "~/.Xmodmap":
> 
> keycode 123 = XF86MonBrightnessUp
> keycode 124 = XF86MonBrightnessDown
> 
> (replacing 123 and 124 with the appropriate numbers obtained above). Log
> out and restart X (or just reboot) and see if that works.

Thanks, I also tried via *touch* the file .Xmodmap under my home
directory with

$ more .Xmodmap
232 XF86MonBrightnessDown
233 XF86MonBrightnessUp

Not work. Furthermore,

$ xev | grep -A2 '^KeyRelease'
KeyRelease event, serial 39, synthetic NO, window 0x3a1,
root 0xb4, subw 0x0, time 307378, (132,112), root:(763,477),
state 0x0, keycode 232 (keysym 0x1008ff03, XF86MonBrightnessDown),
same_screen YES,
--
KeyRelease event, serial 39, synthetic NO, window 0x3a1,
root 0xb4, subw 0x0, time 308218, (132,112), root:(763,477),
state 0x0, keycode 233 (keysym 0x1008ff02, XF86MonBrightnessUp),
same_screen YES,

I did a reboot.

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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

[L V Gandhi]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Stephen P. Molnar
wrote:

> sudo apt-get install kde-full
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* L V Gandhi [mailto:lvgl...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:35 PM
> *To:* Debian Users ML
> *Subject:* Wheezy-beta3 kde install.
>
> ** **
>
> I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome desktop.
> How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.
>
> Installed already KDE. How to remove GNOME Without disturbing KDE?

> ** **
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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

[L V Gandhi]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:59 PM,  wrote:

> There are 3 solutions, here.
> The first one is to install KDE, LXDE or XFCE at install time. To achieve
> this, you have to go to installation options, at boot time. I do not
> remember the exact name, maybe "advanced"... Here, you will find things
> like "automated install", "expert install", their GUI variants, and
> "alternative desktop environment".
> The last one is a sub-menu which will allow you to choose a different DE
> than gnome.
>
> The second, installation time again, is to choose to *NOT* install desktop
> environment when the installer ask you which package you want to install.
> After that, you will have to install what you want in command line (using
> apt-get or aptitude, depending on your preferences). This is my usual
> install process, removing everything, then going into aptitude, disabling
> auto-install or "recommended" packages (so many useless things there...)
> and adding my usual tools. Because I do not use a classic DE, this is
> easier for me than to remove all crap they install, even more since
> aptitude does not auto-remove suggested packages marked as automatic (and
> so makes it harder to have a clean system with only used packages).
>
> The last one is when you have an existing installation.
> Go on a tty, kill gdm (and more generally, X server), then, remove gnome*
> to install what you want.
> Removing gnome* can be made by the aptitude ncurses (easier imho), or both
> aptitude and apt-get command lines.
>
> Each of those methods have their advantages:
> 1: easier when you do not really want a highly customized installation
> 2: the longer way, but let you install only things you are almost sure to
> install
> 3: allow you to correct an error you did at installation time
>
> If you need more details, just ask again.
> Hope it helps.
>
> Le 14.11.2012 05:34, L V Gandhi a écrit :
>
>  I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome
>> desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.
>>
>
> I have already installed KDE. Now how to remove GNOME with out disturbing
KDE?

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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

[L V Gandhi]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 08:43 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:04 +0530, L V Gandhi wrote:
> > > I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome
> > > desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.
> >
> > Simply install KDE with Synaptic, apt-get or what ever you like and then
> > simply remove GNOME. "Simply" removing GNOME won't cause
> > inconsistencies, but maybe you have to remove a lot of packages
> > manually, since removing meta-packages won't remove network-manager,
> > evolution, gcalctool etc., so you better don't install GNOME in the
> > first place.
> >
> > I agree that we shouldn't install GNOME to a Linux anymore. Upstream
> > forces hard dependencies to PA and systemd, big intransparent buggy
> > blobs. I bet Debian soon or later will switch to systemd too. Current
> > Evolution 3.6 can't share Emails with e.g. Evolution 3.2.3, GNOME
> > nowadays is crap. A long time ago I switched to Xfce4, unfortunately I
> > can't use it's maildir with other maildir compatible MUAs.
>
> Evolution's maildir ;).
>
> I did not want to install GNOME. That is why I downloaded KDE cd. But to
my surprice, it installed GNOME not KDE.


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Re: X can't find nvidia module

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Vincent Lefevre wrote:

On 2012-11-13 15:51:11 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

But when I startx, X can't find the nvidia module:

...
(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
...

Any suggestions as to what to do next?


You probably need xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (as in addition to the
NVIDIA kernel driver, you need the NVIDIA Xorg driver). But when I
was using the NVIDIA drivers in the past, I installed nvidia-glx,
which depends on xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and other useful packages.



Thanks Vincent, let me try that. I usually use the closed source NVidia 
driver from upstream, this is the first time that I have tried building 
the driver myself.




That was it. I installed nvidia-glx and that pulled in 
xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and now X comes up. Thanks again.


Hugo


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Re: X can't find nvidia module

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Vincent Lefevre wrote:

On 2012-11-13 15:51:11 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

But when I startx, X can't find the nvidia module:

...
(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
...

Any suggestions as to what to do next?


You probably need xserver-xorg-video-nvidia (as in addition to the
NVIDIA kernel driver, you need the NVIDIA Xorg driver). But when I
was using the NVIDIA drivers in the past, I installed nvidia-glx,
which depends on xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and other useful packages.



Thanks Vincent, let me try that. I usually use the closed source NVidia 
driver from upstream, this is the first time that I have tried building 
the driver myself.


Hugo


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Re: Macintosh LCD brightness control

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:03:55PM +1000, adam wolter wrote:
>Release 6.0.6 (squeeze)
>i have the PowerPC version installed on a lampShade iMac G4.
>LCD monitor brightness is controlled by function keys F1 and F2 which have
>brightness markings.
>it all works well.
>i just want to know HOW so i can make similar support in ubuntu.
>Volume controls work well also and i can find XF86 Keyboard Shortcuts.
>"xdotool key XF86MonBrightnessDown"  works also but there is no Keyboard
>Shortcut for it !
>Can someone tell me how the F1 key is bound to XF86MonBrightnessDown 
>please.

Run the following:

$ xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode
/s/^.*keycode \([0-9]*\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p'

(all one line. The initial $ is to show it's to be run as an ordinary
user).

That should pop up a little window, press Fn+F1 and then FN+F2 and see
what codes you get out. You should get a pair of "Number Function" for
each key.

Next, add the following lines to "~/.Xmodmap":

keycode 123 = XF86MonBrightnessUp
keycode 124 = XF86MonBrightnessDown

(replacing 123 and 124 with the appropriate numbers obtained above). Log
out and restart X (or just reboot) and see if that works.


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Re: Macintosh LCD brightness control

[lina]

On Wednesday 14,November,2012 08:37 PM, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> 
> have you tried pommed ?

I just installed. the F1, F2 key still do not work.

Except the background keyboard light is on. I think I'd better purge
them because the lightness adjustment only need once or twice.

> 
> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pommed
> 
> Best wishes,
> Jerome
> 
> On 14/11/12 13:31, lina wrote:
>> On Wednesday 14,November,2012 08:03 PM, adam wolter wrote:
>>> Release 6.0.6 (squeeze)
>>>
>>> i have the PowerPC version installed on a lampShade iMac G4.
>>>
>>> LCD monitor brightness is controlled by function keys F1 and F2 which
>>> have brightness markings.
>>>
>>> it all works well.
>>>
>>> i just want to know HOW so i can make similar support in ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Volume controls work well also and i can find XF86 Keyboard Shortcuts.
>>>
>>> "xdotool key XF86MonBrightnessDown"  works also but there is no Keyboard
>>> Shortcut for it !
>>>
>>> Can someone tell me how the F1 key is bound to XF86MonBrightnessDown
>>> 
>>
>> Until now, it has been more than two years.
>> In the past, if I wished to adjust the brightness of the monitor, I
>> would come back to Mac OS. It worked even switch back to debian.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> please.
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 
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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[Morel Bérenger]

Le Mer 14 novembre 2012 13:01, lalberts a écrit :
> hello, thanks for helping.. but.. not yet resolved. i definitively do not
> know what i did to have my login work once. my gdm is not running when i
> am in the recovery mode. if i could start the network as root i could
> reinstall gdm3.. but i have no network? oh i can reactivate the install-cd
> ?
>
>
> i try. lukas
>
>
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The network have nothing to do with gdm, gdm only helps managing users
which connect on a session of a desktop environment. It is not even
mandatory.
I think you have installed something which mess gdm, but I can not say what.

Maybe you could try other connexion manager, they will be less "beautiful"
and maybe will not allow all options you have with gdm, but maybe you will
not see a real difference. You can try, as an example, xdm.Removing the
first and installing the second via apt* should do the work automagically.


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Re: Macintosh LCD brightness control

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hi List,


have you tried pommed ?

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pommed

Best wishes,
Jerome

On 14/11/12 13:31, lina wrote:

On Wednesday 14,November,2012 08:03 PM, adam wolter wrote:

Release 6.0.6 (squeeze)

i have the PowerPC version installed on a lampShade iMac G4.

LCD monitor brightness is controlled by function keys F1 and F2 which
have brightness markings.

it all works well.

i just want to know HOW so i can make similar support in ubuntu.

Volume controls work well also and i can find XF86 Keyboard Shortcuts.

"xdotool key XF86MonBrightnessDown"  works also but there is no Keyboard
Shortcut for it !

Can someone tell me how the F1 key is bound to XF86MonBrightnessDown 


Until now, it has been more than two years.
In the past, if I wished to adjust the brightness of the monitor, I
would come back to Mac OS. It worked even switch back to debian.




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Re: Macintosh LCD brightness control

[lina]

On Wednesday 14,November,2012 08:03 PM, adam wolter wrote:
> Release 6.0.6 (squeeze)
> 
> i have the PowerPC version installed on a lampShade iMac G4.
> 
> LCD monitor brightness is controlled by function keys F1 and F2 which
> have brightness markings.
> 
> it all works well.
> 
> i just want to know HOW so i can make similar support in ubuntu.
> 
> Volume controls work well also and i can find XF86 Keyboard Shortcuts.
> 
> "xdotool key XF86MonBrightnessDown"  works also but there is no Keyboard
> Shortcut for it !
> 
> Can someone tell me how the F1 key is bound to XF86MonBrightnessDown 

Until now, it has been more than two years.
In the past, if I wished to adjust the brightness of the monitor, I
would come back to Mac OS. It worked even switch back to debian.


> 
> please.
> 
> -- 
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> [:C≡N:]− , I ≤ 2πrEħc ln 2
> 
> 


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Macintosh LCD brightness control

[adam wolter]

Release 6.0.6 (squeeze)

i have the PowerPC version installed on a lampShade iMac G4.

LCD monitor brightness is controlled by function keys F1 and F2 which have
brightness markings.

it all works well.

i just want to know HOW so i can make similar support in ubuntu.

Volume controls work well also and i can find XF86 Keyboard Shortcuts.

"xdotool key XF86MonBrightnessDown"  works also but there is no Keyboard
Shortcut for it !

Can someone tell me how the F1 key is bound to XF86MonBrightnessDown 

please.

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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[lalberts]

hello,
thanks for helping..
but.. not yet resolved.
i definitively do not know what i did to have my login work once.
my gdm is not running when i am in the recovery mode.
if i could start the network as root i could reinstall gdm3..
but i have no network?
oh i can reactivate the install-cd ?

i try.
lukas



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Re: favicon.ico not showing in apache2

[Tom Grace]

On 14/11/12 11:53, Jorge wrote:
> 
> Same result in IE and FF browsers. It only works if I put the 
> code line and disable SSL.
> 

Are you hitting this?
https://blog.mozilla.org/ux/2012/06/site-identity-ui-updates/

I didn't check if IE has a similar thing.


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Re: favicon.ico not showing in apache2

[Jorge]

On 14/11/2012 12:22, Darac Marjal wrote:

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:10:15PM +0100, Jorge wrote:

  Mi web server is apache2 under Debian Squeeze. I've got SSL
Certificate and user authentication (AuthUser), but I can't manage
to show the favicon.ico unless I disable both of them.

Of course, favicon.ico is in the webroot of the VirtualHost and full
of permissions (just in order to pass the test). I can see the image
if I go to http://www.ejemplo.com/favicon.ico.

I've tried (despite I don't like this solution) ...

 http://www.ejemplo.com/favicon.ico type="image/x-icon" />
Hello Word Icon 

... and it works, despite authentication being enabled, by the time
I go to http://www.ejemplo.com/, but keeps on not showing if I go to
https://www.ejemplo.com/. And if I put href=https ... instead of
href=http ... not even that, I can't see any of them.


What do /var/log/apache2/access.log and /var/log/apache2/error.log say
on the matter?

Have you tried a different browser?



There are no more generated logs than the ones in 
/var/log/apache2/error.log. These are the repeated lines:



[Wed Nov 14 10:35:37 2012] [warn] Init: Name-based SSL virtual hosts 
only work for clients with TLS server name indication support (RFC 4366)
[Wed Nov 14 10:35:37 2012] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest 
authentication ...

[Wed Nov 14 10:35:37 2012] [notice] Digest: done
[Wed Nov 14 10:35:39 2012] [warn] Init: Name-based SSL virtual hosts 
only work for clients with TLS server name indication support (RFC 4366)
[Wed Nov 14 10:35:39 2012] [notice] Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) 
PHP/5.3.3-7+squeeze14 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.16 OpenSSL/0.9.8o 
configured -- resuming normal operations


Same result in IE and FF browsers. It only works if I put the  
code line and disable SSL.






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Re: favicon.ico not showing in apache2

[Darac Marjal]

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:10:15PM +0100, Jorge wrote:
>  Mi web server is apache2 under Debian Squeeze. I've got SSL
> Certificate and user authentication (AuthUser), but I can't manage
> to show the favicon.ico unless I disable both of them.
> 
> Of course, favicon.ico is in the webroot of the VirtualHost and full
> of permissions (just in order to pass the test). I can see the image
> if I go to http://www.ejemplo.com/favicon.ico.
> 
> I've tried (despite I don't like this solution) ...
> 
>   href=http://www.ejemplo.com/favicon.ico type="image/x-icon" />
> Hello Word Icon 
> 
> ... and it works, despite authentication being enabled, by the time
> I go to http://www.ejemplo.com/, but keeps on not showing if I go to
> https://www.ejemplo.com/. And if I put href=https ... instead of
> href=http ... not even that, I can't see any of them.

What do /var/log/apache2/access.log and /var/log/apache2/error.log say
on the matter?

Have you tried a different browser?



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favicon.ico not showing in apache2

[Jorge]

 Mi web server is apache2 under Debian Squeeze. I've got SSL 
Certificate and user authentication (AuthUser), but I can't manage to 
show the favicon.ico unless I disable both of them.


Of course, favicon.ico is in the webroot of the VirtualHost and full of 
permissions (just in order to pass the test). I can see the image if I 
go to http://www.ejemplo.com/favicon.ico.


I've tried (despite I don't like this solution) ...

 http://www.ejemplo.com/favicon.ico 
type="image/x-icon" /> Hello Word Icon 


... and it works, despite authentication being enabled, by the time I go 
to http://www.ejemplo.com/, but keeps on not showing if I go to 
https://www.ejemplo.com/. And if I put href=https ... instead of 
href=http ... not even that, I can't see any of them.


How could I get the favicon allways working?
Is there a way to manage it without inserting code in any web page (I 
mean just seting up something in the VirtualHost configuration file, or 
something so)?


Pardon for my poor English. I'm working on it :)
Thank you!


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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 11:47 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> About the ps, it only list process started by your actual user, started 
> by the actual terminal. As gdm is not started by your terminal but by 
> login, and as root, you will not see it. To see all processes, run "ps 
> -A" and for processes of only one user "ps -u ".

Or you run "/etc/init.d/gdm3 status", resp. unlikely for Debian, as the
case my be, "service gdm3 status" or something similar.




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Re: Video & WiFi problem with Wheezy on Lenovo E535

[Andrew Wood]

Ok so Ive now discovered that I need to install firmware-brcm80211 which 
has cleared the error about missing firmware but it still cant see any 
networks despite modprobing brcmsmac and rebooting



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Video & WiFi problem with Wheezy on Lenovo E535

[Andrew Wood]

Im trying to setup Wheezy with Gnome 3 on a Lenovo E535 which has an AMD 
Radeon video chip and a Broadcom WiFi chip.


Despite installing the b43 firmware packages dmesg | grep 'firmware# 
still shows:


 3400.531552] ieee80211 phy1: brcmsmac: fail to load firmware 
brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw
[ 3400.531561] ieee80211 phy1: brcmsmac: Failed to find firmware usually 
in /lib/firmware/brcm


Also I can only get Gnome 3 to launch in fallback mode.

xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd is installed as is libgl1-mesa-dri and Ive 
installed firmware-linux-nonfree


This is what lspci shows:

02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n 
Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)


00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI 
Device 9992


Any ideas what the problem is?

Thanks
Andrew


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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[berenger . morel]

Le 14.11.2012 11:19, lalberts a écrit :

Hello,
it worked once.. but after shutdown and reboot with normal kernel,
the problem is back. no keyboard, no way to type a password or to 
switch to

a shell.
trackpoint is working.
so i have to hard-shutoff the laptop and restart in recovery mode.
doing the dkg-reconfigure gdm3, it tells me, scheduling the reconfig?
but there is no process gdm running (or gdm3, ps aux | grep gdm ? 
right?).

of course since i am in recovery and in a root shell.
doing the reconfig helps only once, wenn doing CTRL-D to continu boot
procedure.
then on GDM i can login as user..
OK, as a user i will do the reconfig once more..

lukas



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I was sure that this would not change a lot of things. You will have to 
remove the offending packages, as I explained in my last mail (#aptitude 
purge ).


About the ps, it only list process started by your actual user, started 
by the actual terminal. As gdm is not started by your terminal but by 
login, and as root, you will not see it. To see all processes, run "ps 
-A" and for processes of only one user "ps -u ".



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Re: Video & WiFi problem with Wheezy on Lenovo E535

[Andrew Wood]

Just tried installing 7 firmware-b43-installer again and noticed it says 
this:


Unsupported device(s) found: PCI id 14e4:472


On 14/11/12 10:39, Andrew Wood wrote:
Im trying to setup Wheezy with Gnome 3 on a Lenovo E535 which has an 
AMD Radeon video chip and a Broadcom WiFi chip.


Despite installing the b43 firmware packages dmesg | grep 'firmware# 
still shows:


 3400.531552] ieee80211 phy1: brcmsmac: fail to load firmware 
brcm/bcm43xx-0.fw
[ 3400.531561] ieee80211 phy1: brcmsmac: Failed to find firmware 
usually in /lib/firmware/brcm


Also I can only get Gnome 3 to launch in fallback mode.

xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd is installed as is libgl1-mesa-dri and Ive 
installed firmware-linux-nonfree


This is what lspci shows:

02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n 
Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)


00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee 
ATI Device 9992


Any ideas what the problem is?

Thanks
Andrew




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OT: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:48 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> PS: yes, I install debian regularly... Because I love to play with 
> highly critical files like init scripts or boot loaders. This is my
> way to understand how things works: tinker to learn , and if you break
> things, try to repair :D 

My Arch is broken, since I can't play anymore with Arch's
"initscripts" ;) and IMO "repairing", the transition, is to time
consuming and for some needs still impossible. Soon or later Debian will
drop init too, but there for sure won't be a transition within testing
or experimental, I guess when testing becomes stable, a new experimental
will switch to systemd, upstart or what ever. A transition like
switching away from init is different to a broken X package, since it's
not just switching the init daemon, it will effect especially your
desktop environments, since the kit family will be dropped, udev won't
be available without installing systemd and perhaps "some etc.".

Making a new install IMO is the easiest solution when radical
transitions will make a regular upgrade impossible.

Regarding to the topic, multilib vs non-free on Debian, I'm not aware
how radical this transition is.

I guess the averaged Ubuntu user isn't aware that Ubuntu switched from
init to upstart, the averaged Arch user is aware of the switch from
initscripts to systemd. I wonder if it was possible to Upgrade from
Ubuntu old school to Ubuntu upstart? I think so, because Ubuntu e.g.
still maintains policykit, udev. Arch doesn't! Debian for sure will
switch to systemd too, follow upstream and also drop the kit family and
add udev to the systemd package?!

Debian once switched from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3 for testing and this was a
serious issue for me. I didn't notice some changes. I used Debian,
because I wasn't forced to install pulseaudio, known as completely
borked, because it simply couldn't handle professional audio cards,
however, I didn't notice that among other crap, GNOME 3 installed
pulseaudio and make my Debian unusable for my needs. OTOH I couldn't
stay with stable, because I needed to compile audio stuff, even for
testing I needed to compile the version of ALSA, that was the current
stable release from ALSA.

For my needs the most usable default installs are from distros where I
have to remove less to get a running audio workstation, OTOH I prefer
only to install what I need, instead of removing packages.

What ever people prefer, a real rolling release, Debian stable or
testing ... it's always a good idea to backup, before upgrading and to
expect that important things will be completely borked after upgrading.


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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[lalberts]

Hello,
it worked once.. but after shutdown and reboot with normal kernel,
the problem is back. no keyboard, no way to type a password or to switch to
a shell.
trackpoint is working.
so i have to hard-shutoff the laptop and restart in recovery mode.
doing the dkg-reconfigure gdm3, it tells me, scheduling the reconfig?
but there is no process gdm running (or gdm3, ps aux | grep gdm ? right?).
of course since i am in recovery and in a root shell.
doing the reconfig helps only once, wenn doing CTRL-D to continu boot
procedure.
then on GDM i can login as user..
OK, as a user i will do the reconfig once more..

lukas



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Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Steven Post]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 08:23 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:00:41PM -0500, Charles Kroeger wrote:
> > So since I don't have 'aptitude or aptitude-common' installed, why is 
> > apt-get
> > trying to remove all my non-free programs?
> > 
> > Does it need to remove the non-free stuff before it can upgrade ia32-libs
> > ia32-libs-gtk?
> 
> I suspect what is happening is the transition from ia32-libs to multiarch, and
> the non-free 3rd party packages have not been updated to work with the 
> multiarch
> way of doing things.
> 
> 

It looks like that is exactly the case. I'm guessing you (Charles) are
running a 64-bit version of Sid (judging from your e-mail signature)?
Then it might be best to uninstall the conflicting non-free
applications, do your normal dist-upgrade, removing those 'ia32-libs'
and variants if possible. Afterwards you can enable multi-arch [1] by
using the command

dpkg --add-architecture i386

then updating the package list: apt-get update
When that is done you should be able to install the 32-bit versions of
those non-free programs. The fact that they require ia32-libs tells me
these are not true 64-bit programs, but really 32-bit, just like Skype.

I did the same for Skype, although I'm running Wheezy, not Sid.

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO

Best regards,
Steven


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Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Jochen Spieker]

Ralf Mardorf:
> On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:11 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote:
>> Ralf Mardorf:
>> 
>>> I can't speak for this particular case, but sometimes it seems to be
>>> less work to make a new install.
>> 
>> … which won't help in this case.
> 
> If it's a transition issue, why wouldn't help a install of the release
> version the OP wants, instead of upgrading from another release version?

"Transition issue" does not mean that the problem only arises during
upgrades.

> It doesn't matter what exactly the culprit is, installing the new
> release instead of upgrading from the forerunner will avoid conflicts
> caused by another style, policy or what ever. 

I fail to imagine a case where a new install solves dependency problems
that cannot be solved on an existing installation.

>> Oh, please. You don't understand this particular problem but use it as a
>> reason for a switch anyway?  I generelly don't understand why people
>> feel the need to announce their switch on this list
> 
> This switch has nothing to do with this particular issue, but with
> transitions. I'm thinking of not upgrading from one distro release to
> another and of not using a rolling release anymore.

You don't want any upgrades at all? You can have that with any
distribution. Just don't expect unlimited security support.

> I'm still uncertain, but I experienced at least the rolling release
> model as not working and I often read about issues when other people
> upgrade from one distro release to another.

Yes, there are problems with all approaches.

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Re: help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[berenger . morel]

You can do #dpkg-reconfigure gdm, but I am not sure it will solve your 
problem.


What do you mean by "keyboard off"? Can not you switch to a TTY 
(CTRL+ALT+Fxx with xx being 1-6) ?
If yes, then, you are not able to boot in recovery and you can just 
kill gdm (#killall gdm or #/etc/init.d/gdm stop should work) before 
doing the reconfigure stuff.


If your problem happen after having installed "lib-virt" I think the 
best solution is just to remove it. On a TTY, as root, you can do that 
by using both "#aptitude purge lib-virt", "#apt-get remove lib-virt" or 
even using the ncurses aptitude's interface by typing "#aptitude" (here, 
use "/" to start a search, and '-'/'_' to 'remove'/'purge' a package. 
Use '+' to add one, 'g' to see what you will do and 'g' again to 
confirm)


Hope it helps.

Le 14.11.2012 10:29, lalberts a écrit :

Hello,
i cannot login anymore since my keyboard is off (squeeze 6.0.6 on TP 
x201)

it got disturbed after lib-virt installation with synaptics.
i am a newbie, so be diligent. what can i do?
i can reboot in the recovery kernel and have a root shell. what then?
what is the gdm reconfigure command?
thanks
lukas



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Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[berenger . morel]

Le 14.11.2012 10:27, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:11 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote:

Ralf Mardorf:
> On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 08:23 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
>>
>> I suspect what is happening is the transition from ia32-libs to 
multiarch, and
>> the non-free 3rd party packages have not been updated to work 
with the multiarch

>> way of doing things.
>
> The disadvantage of upgrading from one release to the next release 
and

> the disadvantage of rolling releases.

This has more to do with the disadvantage of non-free software or
external repositories in general.

> I can't speak for this particular case, but sometimes it seems to 
be

> less work to make a new install.

… which won't help in this case.


If it's a transition issue, why wouldn't help a install of the 
release
version the OP wants, instead of upgrading from another release 
version?


It doesn't matter what exactly the culprit is, installing the new
release instead of upgrading from the forerunner will avoid conflicts
caused by another style, policy or what ever.



> Btw. the reason for me that perhaps will make me switch from Arch 
back

> to Debian.

Oh, please. You don't understand this particular problem but use it 
as a

reason for a switch anyway?  I generelly don't understand why people
feel the need to announce their switch on this list


This switch has nothing to do with this particular issue, but with
transitions. I'm thinking of not upgrading from one distro release to
another and of not using a rolling release anymore. I'm still 
uncertain,
but I experienced at least the rolling release model as not working 
and

I often read about issues when other people upgrade from one distro
release to another.

Regards,
Ralf


I do not know for other distros, but I tried to install arch once. I 
ran into a dependency problem which avoided me to install an Xserver, 
nothing less, nothing more. I quickly leave the idea of using it after 
that.


But it does not mean that rolling release system is bad, only that arch 
guys plays with packages without always being sure that will break 
nothing. Oh, sure, packages are probably more recent than debian's one. 
But you can not be sure things works (even on a fresh install ^^).


On the other hand, I am using debian testing/unstable depending on my 
wishes since 2 years. I can assure you that broken packages only happen 
very rarely (and never on testing, which is just the next stable and so 
is tested enough for my needs). And this gave the potential advantages 
and disadvantages of more recent softwares.
I just recommend my friends to use debian testing for their 
desktop/laptops. For servers, obviously, only stable is suitable, maybe 
with some apt-pinning if you *really* need a more recent package.


My opinion is that Debian offer a very nice of doing things for 
releases:
_ one stable release, like the one you can find in proprietary software 
world, with a consequence of stability, ease of use, and you know that 
there will be no features added or removed which mess-up your system. 
Except if you install it, of course.
_ a testing rolling release, reliable enough for simple users in my 
opinion. You will have more recent stuff, which means you can see 
features appear or disappear, but it will not (at least, I have not seen 
that) have broken dependencies.
_ an unstable rolling release, for people who do not mind broken 
dependencies and/or softwares. It does not happen very often, though, 
because there is also the experimental "area" where things are tried 
before. But experimental is not usable alone, unlike unstable or 
testing.


Conclusion: even with debian, you can have a rolling release. But you 
can avoid it as well if you search stability.
Conclusion 2: with debian, you can have removed packages from a stable 
release to another. But it does not mean that you will break things. It 
is possible, of course, but I am not sure about the word often. When I 
was starting with Debian, I was used to install the stable and upgrade 
it to testing, and I can not remember any issue.


PS: yes, I install debian regularly... Because I love to play with 
highly critical files like init scripts or boot loaders. This is my way 
to understand how things works: tinker to learn , and if you break 
things, try to repair :D



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help with keyboard, lost at GDM-login?

[lalberts]

Hello,
i cannot login anymore since my keyboard is off (squeeze 6.0.6 on TP x201)
it got disturbed after lib-virt installation with synaptics.
i am a newbie, so be diligent. what can i do?
i can reboot in the recovery kernel and have a root shell. what then?
what is the gdm reconfigure command?
thanks
lukas



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Re: Wheezy-beta3 kde install.

[berenger . morel]

There are 3 solutions, here.
The first one is to install KDE, LXDE or XFCE at install time. To 
achieve this, you have to go to installation options, at boot time. I do 
not remember the exact name, maybe "advanced"... Here, you will find 
things like "automated install", "expert install", their GUI variants, 
and "alternative desktop environment".
The last one is a sub-menu which will allow you to choose a different 
DE than gnome.


The second, installation time again, is to choose to *NOT* install 
desktop environment when the installer ask you which package you want to 
install. After that, you will have to install what you want in command 
line (using apt-get or aptitude, depending on your preferences). This is 
my usual install process, removing everything, then going into aptitude, 
disabling auto-install or "recommended" packages (so many useless things 
there...) and adding my usual tools. Because I do not use a classic DE, 
this is easier for me than to remove all crap they install, even more 
since aptitude does not auto-remove suggested packages marked as 
automatic (and so makes it harder to have a clean system with only used 
packages).


The last one is when you have an existing installation.
Go on a tty, kill gdm (and more generally, X server), then, remove 
gnome* to install what you want.
Removing gnome* can be made by the aptitude ncurses (easier imho), or 
both aptitude and apt-get command lines.


Each of those methods have their advantages:
1: easier when you do not really want a highly customized installation
2: the longer way, but let you install only things you are almost sure 
to install

3: allow you to correct an error you did at installation time

If you need more details, just ask again.
Hope it helps.

Le 14.11.2012 05:34, L V Gandhi a écrit :

I downloaded wheezy beta3 kde cd and installed. But i got gnome
desktop. How to install KDE and remove gnome safely.



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Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 10:11 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf:
> > On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 08:23 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> >> 
> >> I suspect what is happening is the transition from ia32-libs to multiarch, 
> >> and
> >> the non-free 3rd party packages have not been updated to work with the 
> >> multiarch
> >> way of doing things.
> > 
> > The disadvantage of upgrading from one release to the next release and
> > the disadvantage of rolling releases.
> 
> This has more to do with the disadvantage of non-free software or
> external repositories in general.
> 
> > I can't speak for this particular case, but sometimes it seems to be
> > less work to make a new install.
> 
> … which won't help in this case.

If it's a transition issue, why wouldn't help a install of the release
version the OP wants, instead of upgrading from another release version?

It doesn't matter what exactly the culprit is, installing the new
release instead of upgrading from the forerunner will avoid conflicts
caused by another style, policy or what ever. 

> 
> > Btw. the reason for me that perhaps will make me switch from Arch back
> > to Debian.
> 
> Oh, please. You don't understand this particular problem but use it as a
> reason for a switch anyway?  I generelly don't understand why people
> feel the need to announce their switch on this list

This switch has nothing to do with this particular issue, but with
transitions. I'm thinking of not upgrading from one distro release to
another and of not using a rolling release anymore. I'm still uncertain,
but I experienced at least the rolling release model as not working and
I often read about issues when other people upgrade from one distro
release to another.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Jochen Spieker]

Ralf Mardorf:
> On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 08:23 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect what is happening is the transition from ia32-libs to multiarch, 
>> and
>> the non-free 3rd party packages have not been updated to work with the 
>> multiarch
>> way of doing things.
> 
> The disadvantage of upgrading from one release to the next release and
> the disadvantage of rolling releases.

This has more to do with the disadvantage of non-free software or
external repositories in general.

> I can't speak for this particular case, but sometimes it seems to be
> less work to make a new install.

… which won't help in this case.

> Btw. the reason for me that perhaps will make me switch from Arch back
> to Debian.

Oh, please. You don't understand this particular problem but use it as a
reason for a switch anyway?  I generelly don't understand why people
feel the need to announce their switch on this list

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Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2012-11-14 at 08:23 +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:00:41PM -0500, Charles Kroeger wrote:
> > So since I don't have 'aptitude or aptitude-common' installed, why is 
> > apt-get
> > trying to remove all my non-free programs?
> > 
> > Does it need to remove the non-free stuff before it can upgrade ia32-libs
> > ia32-libs-gtk?
> 
> I suspect what is happening is the transition from ia32-libs to multiarch, and
> the non-free 3rd party packages have not been updated to work with the 
> multiarch
> way of doing things.

The disadvantage of upgrading from one release to the next release and
the disadvantage of rolling releases.

I can't speak for this particular case, but sometimes it seems to be
less work to make a new install. Btw. the reason for me that perhaps
will make me switch from Arch back to Debian.


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Re: The following packages will be REMOVED:

[Jon Dowland]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:00:41PM -0500, Charles Kroeger wrote:
> So since I don't have 'aptitude or aptitude-common' installed, why is apt-get
> trying to remove all my non-free programs?
> 
> Does it need to remove the non-free stuff before it can upgrade ia32-libs
> ia32-libs-gtk?

I suspect what is happening is the transition from ia32-libs to multiarch, and
the non-free 3rd party packages have not been updated to work with the multiarch
way of doing things.


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