MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals
Hola, Com ja es va parlar en aquesta llista, estem preparant una minidebconf a Barcelona. Hem redacatat un Call for Proposals per aconseguir ponents. Us animo a que el reenvieu allà on creieu que pugui interessar. Si ho feu, si us plau, anoteu on ho heu enviat al final d'aquesta pàgina: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/CallForProposals Aquí va el text (en anglès): === MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals === Debian Women is proud to announce that it will hold a MiniDebConf in Barcelona on 15-16 March 2014, where Debian enthusiasts from far and wide will gather to talk about the latest Debian changes and the Debian community, as well as to meet new and old friends. We want to have a MiniDebConf with both talks and social events, to which everyone in Debian is invited but where the speakers in the talks are all people who identify themselves as female. We consider this important to: * Encourage women who haven't yet given their first DebConf talk * Provide role models for women who are interested in contributing * Debunk the myth that there are not enough women who can give talks in DebConf The idea behind the conference is not to talk about women in free software, or women in Debian, but rather to make discussion about Debian subjects more inclusive for women. If you agree with this goal, spread the word. Forward this call for potential speakers and help us make this event a great success! Debian Women invites submissions of proposals for papers, presentations, discussion sessions and tutorials for the event. Submissions are not limited to traditional talks: you could propose a performance, an art installation, a debate or anything else. All talks are welcome, whether newbie or very advanced level. Regular sessions will be 45 minutes long, including time for questions, with a 15 minute break between events. If you have one or more proposals, please send it to propos...@bcn2014.mini.debconf.org. Don't forget to include in your message: your name or nick, the title of the event, description, language, and any other information that might be useful. We will try to get some sponsorship to help with speakers' travel expenses. Please submit your proposal(s) before the 31st of January so that we can start the evaluation process and build the conference program. We might continue to receive proposals after date if there is still free space in the schedule. We hope to see you in Barcelona! For more information, visit http://bcn2014.mini.debconf.org Source: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/CallForProposals -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gapuv1i@debian.org
Re: us funciona l'opció nodeadkeys?
2013-12-27, 20:29 (+0100); Eloi Notario escriu:
El Divendres, 27 de desembre de 2013, a les 12:28:57, Ernest Adrogué va
escriure:
Hola,
Entrant això en una terminal d'X
setxkbmap -layout es -model pc105 -variant nodeadkeys,cat -option
compose:rwin -option ctrl:nocaps
teòricament s'hauria d'activar la variant nodeadkeys, que vol dir que les
tecles `' escriuen directament sense esperar la tecla següent.
Però no funciona. A les preferències de teclat de l'XFCE hi tinc utilitzar
els valors per defecte del sistema. En canvi a la consola Linux sí que
funciona.
Salut.
Pel que veig al manpage, el nombre de paràmetres de -variant ha de coincidir
amb els de -layout
Jo no ho havia interpretat així, però rellegint-ho sembla possible.
Amb això he provat amb -layout es,es -variant nodeadkeys,cat i aleshores sí
que puc escriure el ^ amb una única premuda, però perdo la ŀ, així que suposo
que configura les dues variants per alternar entre una i l'altra, i la que
aplica per defecte és la primera combinació (es+nodeadkeys). De fet, amb
-layout es -variant nodeadkeys,cat el que tinc és que no aplica cap de les
dues variants: necessito dues pulsacions per escriure ^ i AltGr+L m'escriu ł.
Si configura 2 layouts llavors has d'apretar una combinació de tecles cada
cop que vols canviar de layout. Amb 'setxkbmap -query -print' pots veure si
tens 2 layouts o només 1. I pel que sembla és tal com tu dius
$ setxkbmap -layout es,es -variant cat,nodeadkeys -print
xkb_keymap {
xkb_keycodes { include evdev+aliases(qwerty) };
xkb_types { include complete };
xkb_compat{ include complete };
xkb_symbols { include
pc+es(cat)+es(nodeadkeys):2+inet(evdev)+ctrl(nocaps)+compose(rwin) };
xkb_geometry { include pc(pc105)
};
};
Hi ha 2 es, un amb la variant cat i l'altre amb nodeadkeys.
Entenc doncs, per les proves que he fet, que les dues variants són
incompatibles entre sí.
Doncs sí, o més que incompatibles és que XKB només permet utilitzar una
variant per cada layout.
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Re: us funciona l'opció nodeadkeys?
2013-12-27, 23:59 (+0100); Joan Montané escriu: Per a solucionar un problema estètic (l'ample de la ela geminada) es fa servir una codificació que no és canònicament compatible (en nomenclatura Unicode), és perd la possibilitat de passar el text a latin1 i tampoc és segur que el tema estètic millori, ja que això depen de com estigui dissenyat el glif ŀ. Jo ho miro com la lligadura fl anglesa. Oi que en el text introduït no es fa servir? doncs amb la ela geminada tampoc hauríem de fer-la servir Una cosa és la informació, codificada amb zeros i uns, i l'altra la presentació. Per a solucionar la presentació no cal que canviem la codificació, només cal que ensenyem als tipògrafs com ha de ser el punt volat quan té 2 eles a costat i costat. A mi no m'ha convençut mai al 100% el caràcter ŀ, no l'utilitzaria en un document amb format tipogràfic. En text pla, que tradicionalment es representa amb tipus de lletra monoespai, no ho veig fora de lloc. De fet, en aquest cas, l'única manera que ŀl ocupi el mateix espai que ll és amb el caràcter ŀ. Però admeto que codificar la ela de 2 maneres diferents no sembla gaire raonable. Per cert què vol dir que no és canònicament compatible? Es podria solucionar movent el caràcter a una altra part de la taula Unicode? El punt volat té problemes? sí. Solucionem-los. Però no creem més problemes doblant la codificació de la ela geminada. Prou problemes tenim amb els usuaris que usen guionets, punts baixos o bales (bullets). També estàs en contra del guió llarg — i l'elípsis …? Doncs jo he activat la tecla compose amb l'únic propòsit de poder escriure aquests símbols... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228111808.GB17956@doriath.local
Re: us funciona l'opció nodeadkeys?
El dia 28 desembre de 2013 12.18, Ernest Adrogué nfdi...@gmail.com ha escrit: A mi no m'ha convençut mai al 100% el caràcter ŀ, no l'utilitzaria en un document amb format tipogràfic. En text pla, que tradicionalment es representa amb tipus de lletra monoespai, no ho veig fora de lloc. De fet, en aquest cas, l'única manera que ŀl ocupi el mateix espai que ll és amb el caràcter ŀ. Admeto que la l·l de dos caràcters té millor aspecte en algunes lletres mecanogràfiques. Sempre que la tipografia estigui ben dissenyada, altrament el punt queda descentrat. La l·l de 3 es podria veure igual de bé en lletres mecanogràfiques. Simplement caldria definir-hi una lligadura (res no ho impedeix). Ara, accepto que convèncer a un tipògraf que una lletra mecanogràfica ha de tenir una lligadura és tot un repte, : Però admeto que codificar la ela de 2 maneres diferents no sembla gaire raonable. Per cert què vol dir que no és canònicament compatible? Es podria solucionar movent el caràcter a una altra part de la taula Unicode? No he fet servir la millor expressió, ara que ho repasso per a explicar-ho me n'adono, hauria d'haver escrit canònicament equivalent. :( Al món Unicode hi ha 2 tipus d'equivalències. 1.- Canònicament equivalent: difrents codficacions tenen tenen el mateix tractament a Unicode i se suposa el mateix aspecte. Per exemple, la lletra Ç té dues codificacions canòniques. El caràcter Ç i la seqüència C+combinning cedilla. O la Ñ=N+combinning tilde. Les aplicions que usen Unicode tractaran exactament igual una codficació i un altre, el resultat final sempre sera igual. 2.- Compatible: diferents codifcacions són equivalents en alguns contextos i no se'ls supoa el mateix aspecte. Per exemple, la lligadura fl és compatible amb la seqüència f+l, però no és canònicament equivalent. El caràcter ŀ és compatible amb la seqûencia l+middledot, per tant, en alguns contextos, no hi ha problema. En altres sí. I no, no veig com es podria aconseguir una equivalència canònica entre les dues codificacions. M'he mirat i remirat la documentació a Unicode i les listes de correu, i no ho veig possible. També estàs en contra del guió llarg — i l'elípsis …? Doncs jo he activat la tecla compose amb l'únic propòsit de poder escriure aquests símbols... No tinc una opinió tan extremista, :D. En general crec que: si tenim text pla sense format, hem d'usar caràcters que no intentin imitar format. si tenim text amb format, hem d'usar les eines del format per a donar-lo. Per exemple: els caràcters d'el·lipsi i lligadura fl existeixen per herència de la tipografia de plom. En tipografia digital no tenen sentit. El text hauria de ser només text pla, si és necessari aplicar format) i el renderitzador o rasteritzador aplicar el format adient (ajuntar els punts o fer la lligadura). Com fa el TeX, per exemple, escrius en text pla i ell fa la feina bruta. Però tens tot el dret a usar aquests caràcters. En el cas concret de la ela geminada, el problema és que no es tracta d'un signe de puntuació general (com l'apòstrof recte o tipràfic, el guió, guionet o guió llarg, els punts suspensius...). La ela geminada forma part de nucli de les dades. Apareix a nom, cognoms, adreces, paraules... Pensa en les bases de dades oficials (hisenda, empadronament...), i que algú usi una codificació diferent a com està codificada en la base de dades. La història de la ela geminada és un nyap rere nyap. No hauria d'haver existit mai, de fet, Fabra no la volia, ell volia escriure ll on ara escrivim l·l, com fan la resta de llengües llatines i l'anglès; i escriure ly (o lh) on ara escrivim ll, com fan l'occità o el portuguès. Fabra no va poder imposar el seu criteri, i es va crear la l·l com a mesura provisional.Ja sabem que en aquest país una mesura provisional és per a tota la vida. Conceptualment el punt volat és un diacrític aplicat a una parella de caràcters (ll), en comptes de sobre un únic caràcter (à,ç,ñ) i d'aquí venen molts del mals. Un diacrític aplicat a 2 caràcters no és una característica usada en cap gran llengua d'alfabet llatí, i la tecnologia de principis del s. XIX de les màquines d'escriure no va tenir cap interès per a trobar una solució mecànica al problema. Amb els dispositius electrònics (màquines d'escriure electròniques i ordinadors) es regulen els teclats. Tot queda regulat per decret llei, però es deixa marge a dues opcions per a la ela geminada (de 2, Olivetti) i de 3 (IBM) Fa uns anys Unicode defineix que un caràcter (Anno teleia)que té un aspecte similar al nostre punt volat hi és canònicament equivalent. Resultat, algunes propietats del punt volat (U+00B7) no les podem canviar perquè xoquen amb l'ús de l'anno teleia, com que són canònicament equivalent han de tenir les mateixes propietats. Dispenseu el totxo, però és un tema que segueixo de prop, :DDD Més info http://www.softcatala.org/wiki/Projectes/ElaGeminada El que m'agradaria haver-vos fet arribar és que usar la l·l de 2 caràcters té pros i contres.
Re: us funciona l'opció nodeadkeys?
2013-12-28, 13:27 (+0100); Joan Montané escriu: No tinc una opinió tan extremista, :D. En general crec que: si tenim text pla sense format, hem d'usar caràcters que no intentin imitar format. si tenim text amb format, hem d'usar les eines del format per a donar-lo. Per exemple: els caràcters d'el·lipsi i lligadura fl existeixen per herència de la tipografia de plom. En tipografia digital no tenen sentit. El text hauria de ser només text pla, si és necessari aplicar format) i el renderitzador o rasteritzador aplicar el format adient (ajuntar els punts o fer la lligadura). Com fa el TeX, per exemple, escrius en text pla i ell fa la feina bruta. Entenc el teu punt de vista. Tot i això a Unix el text pla es considera un format en si mateix. Per exemple, les planes del manual es poden veure en format tipogràfic (HTML, PDF) i en text pla. Molts documents es guarden i es presenten a l'usuari en text pla. Hi ha formats de text pla, com reST o Markdown, i convencions (* per indicar negreta, _ subratllat, etc.) per afegir format en un text i que segueixi sent llegible directament com a text pla. Llavors no veig motius per no utilitzar caràcters de format en text pla, si el joc de caràcters estàndard inclou aquests caràcters. El que no utilitzaria són lligadures ni coses com els espais durs. Però tens tot el dret a usar aquests caràcters. En el cas concret de la ela geminada, el problema és que no es tracta d'un signe de puntuació general (com l'apòstrof recte o tipràfic, el guió, guionet o guió llarg, els punts suspensius...). La ela geminada forma part de nucli de les dades. Apareix a nom, cognoms, adreces, paraules... Pensa en les bases de dades oficials (hisenda, empadronament...), i que algú usi una codificació diferent a com està codificada en la base de dades. La història de la ela geminada és un nyap rere nyap. No hauria d'haver existit mai, de fet, Fabra no la volia, ell volia escriure ll on ara escrivim l·l, com fan la resta de llengües llatines i l'anglès; i escriure ly (o lh) on ara escrivim ll, com fan l'occità o el portuguès. Fabra no va poder imposar el seu criteri, i es va crear la l·l com a mesura provisional.Ja sabem que en aquest país una mesura provisional és per a tota la vida. Conceptualment el punt volat és un diacrític aplicat a una parella de caràcters (ll), en comptes de sobre un únic caràcter (à,ç,ñ) i d'aquí venen molts del mals. Un diacrític aplicat a 2 caràcters no és una característica usada en cap gran llengua d'alfabet llatí, i la tecnologia de principis del s. XIX de les màquines d'escriure no va tenir cap interès per a trobar una solució mecànica al problema. Amb els dispositius electrònics (màquines d'escriure electròniques i ordinadors) es regulen els teclats. Tot queda regulat per decret llei, però es deixa marge a dues opcions per a la ela geminada (de 2, Olivetti) i de 3 (IBM) Fa uns anys Unicode defineix que un caràcter (Anno teleia)que té un aspecte similar al nostre punt volat hi és canònicament equivalent. Resultat, algunes propietats del punt volat (U+00B7) no les podem canviar perquè xoquen amb l'ús de l'anno teleia, com que són canònicament equivalent han de tenir les mateixes propietats. Jo no ho conec tan bé com tu, però sempre que m'ho he mirat una mica arribo a la conclusió que és un problema que no té solució. O més aviat, que la única solució és eliminar directament el concepte de ela geminada. Encara que la gent la pronunciés (cosa que no acostuma a ser el cas) , tampoc passa res si utilitzem una única lletra per representar més d'un so, ja passa amb altres lletres. Algú s'apunta a una campanya per demanar a l'Institut d'Estudis Catalans que eliminin aquesta lletra? Si no haurem de viure per sempre més amb el dilema de si escriure ŀl o l·l. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228142508.GA18240@doriath.local
Re: us funciona l'opció nodeadkeys?
El dia 28 desembre de 2013 15.25, Ernest Adrogué nfdi...@gmail.com ha escrit: Jo no ho conec tan bé com tu, però sempre que m'ho he mirat una mica arribo a la conclusió que és un problema que no té solució. O més aviat, que la única solució és eliminar directament el concepte de ela geminada. o canviant-ne/fixant-ne la codificació, però una cosa així només es pot fer amb un estat al darrere. I sent conscient del cost de migració que té i les incompatibilitats que es generen. Per exemple, al romanès van canviar la codificació de dues lletres perquè la original que va definir Microsoft als 80 no s'ajustava al que tocava. Entre altres coses, ha calgut un manament de la Unió Europea per a forçar a Microsoft que apedaci el Windows XP, i tot això... encara tenen problemes d'accedir als caràcters nous, un drama. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_alphabet#Comma-below_.28.C8.99_and_.C8.9B.29_versus_cedilla_.28.C5.9F_and_.C5.A3.29 En un futur Estat (Independent) Català, caldria regular això. Valorar pros i contres de cada una de les codificacions actuals (o si se n'ha de crear una de nova, però ho dubto), triar-ne una, garantir que el glif estigui en tots els tipus de lletra i en les bases de dades oficials, i gestionar-ne els problemes associats. En la meva opinió, des del món del programari lliure em sembla que és una tasca on podem ajudar, però és excessiva i podem fer més mal que bé ja que no podem gestionar en tota la seva plenitud (bases de dades, regulacions...) Algú s'apunta a una campanya per demanar a l'Institut d'Estudis Catalans que eliminin aquesta lletra? Si no haurem de viure per sempre més amb el dilema de si escriure ŀl o l·l. hehehe, amb mi no hi comptis, :D Jo ho tinc clar. Si no saps el que fas o en cas de dubte: l·l (la de 3, la de sempre). A tot aixó, tornat al tema original... el nodeadkeys permet accedir a la l· amb la combinació que indicava al primer missatge? Maj+AltGr+- seguida de L. Joan Montané
Re: [OT] ela geminada
El ds 28 de 12 de 2013 a les 15:25 +0100, Ernest Adrogué va escriure: Jo no ho conec tan bé com tu, però sempre que m'ho he mirat una mica arribo a la conclusió que és un problema que no té solució. O més aviat, que la única solució és eliminar directament el concepte de ela geminada. Encara que la gent la pronunciés (cosa que no acostuma a ser el cas) , tampoc passa res si utilitzem una única lletra per representar més d'un so, ja passa amb altres lletres. Algú s'apunta a una campanya per demanar a l'Institut d'Estudis Catalans que eliminin aquesta lletra? Si no haurem de viure per sempre més amb el dilema de si escriure ŀl o l·l. Colegi, paralel, elipsi, alucinar, solicitud... Més simple, pràcticament la mateixa pronúncia, un idioma més fàcil d'aprendre a les aules... Si la llengua s'utilitzés com el que ha d'ésser, una eina de comunicació, i no com un instrument polític o un pseudollibre d'història, fa temps que hauria desaparegut la ela geminada. Però és un tret diferencial i nostre, com la ñ per als espanyols; un defecte del què ens sentim orgullosos. Jo eliminaria la ela geminada, però mentre la llengua sigui la pròpia d'uns quants països, haurem d'aguantar. Quant a campanyes, Joan, al diccionari veig l·l L·L. És aquesta la postura oficial de l'IEC? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Not a valid pgp signature, but who cares? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [OT] ela geminada
Millor així a OT, :) gràcies!!! El dia 28 desembre de 2013 16.51, Javier Serrano Polo jav...@jasp.net ha escrit: Jo eliminaria la ela geminada, però mentre la llengua sigui la pròpia d'uns quants països, haurem d'aguantar. Quant a campanyes, Joan, al diccionari veig l·l L·L. És aquesta la postura oficial de l'IEC? Costa molt que l'IEC defineix una postura oficial en res :(( L'IEC no estableix la codificació que cal usar als mitjans digitals, per a cap caràcter. Ara.. al seu web usa la de 3, :) Sé que amb el cercador per a mòbils dels diccionari http://mdlc.iec.catinicialment van tenir problemes els primers mesos. Resulta que els Android no permetien introduir el punt volat. Van solucionar-ho acceptant cerques amb el punt baix (col.legi), en comptes de solucionar el tema a Android i els fabricants (Sony, Samsung..) Afortunadament, Android ja inclou el punt volat al teclat català com alternativa al punt baix, i la cadena L·L com alternativa a la L. Similar a iOS i FirefoxOS. Però alguns fabrcants Sony i Samsung encara no incorporen el punt volat (ni la L·L) als seus teclats.
Re: [OT] ela geminada
El ds 28 de 12 de 2013 a les 15:25 +0100, Ernest Adrogué va escriure: Jo no ho conec tan bé com tu, però sempre que m'ho he mirat una mica arribo a la conclusió que és un problema que no té solució. O més aviat, que la única solució és eliminar directament el concepte de ela geminada. Encara que la gent la pronunciés (cosa que no acostuma a ser el cas) , tampoc passa res si utilitzem una única lletra per representar més d'un so, ja passa amb altres lletres. Algú s'apunta a una campanya per demanar a l'Institut d'Estudis Catalans que eliminin aquesta lletra? Si no haurem de viure per sempre més amb el dilema de si escriure ŀl o l·l. Colegi, paralel, elipsi, alucinar, solicitud... Més simple, pràcticament la mateixa pronúncia, un idioma més fàcil d'aprendre a les aules... Si la llengua s'utilitzés com el que ha d'ésser, una eina de comunicació, i no com un instrument polític o un pseudollibre d'història, fa temps que hauria desaparegut la ela geminada. Però és un tret diferencial i nostre, com la ñ per als espanyols; un defecte del què ens sentim orgullosos. Jo eliminaria la ela geminada, però mentre la llengua sigui la pròpia d'uns quants països, haurem d'aguantar. Quant a campanyes, Joan, al diccionari veig l·l L·L. És aquesta la postura oficial de l'IEC? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Not a valid pgp signature, but who cares? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals
A día de hoy, una de las tres cara belas de Debian en España, la Mònica, ha decidido revelar una inocentada que lleva preparando desde hace meses. Puede que algunos recuerden a la señora Ramírez de alguna gira por Suramérica. Siento decir que era una actriz. La verdadera señora Ramírez no sabe hablar español. Su odisea consiste en organizar una MiniDebConf, una reunión local similar a DebConf, pero en contexto regional. Ésta se celebrará en la ciudad ficticia de Barcelona. Digo ficticia por las múltiples pruebas históricas que demuestran que los Países Catalanes no existen. Es una reunión de ponentes femeninas. Aún siendo la señora Ramírez la única desarrolladora Debian de Cataluña, el idioma inicial naturalmente ha sido el catalán. Pero ante las presiones internacionales y que está un poco oxidado el catalán de la señora Reiter, que dará la mayoría de charlas, se ha aceptado el inglés. Realmente, no sé cómo está el tema del idioma de las intervenciones. Eso tendrán que discutirlo con la organización. Imagino que supondrá un problema si las intervenciones son solo en inglés, ya que hay numerosos estudios científicos que demuestran que las mujeres son incapaces de aprender más de un idioma. Así que si alguien de esta lista se queja de no entender el texto adjunto, solo demostrará que es una nenaza. Como dice el texto, se aceptan ponentes que se identifiquen como hembra. Pero les advierto que no bastará con el carnet de la biblioteca. Los encargados de seguridad se han criado viendo un serie llamada Bola de Dragón. Sabrán distinguir a las mujeres auténticas de las que lleven bolas mágicas. El ds 28 de 12 de 2013 a les 11:30 +0100, Mònica Ramírez Arceda va escriure: === MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals === Debian Women is proud to announce that it will hold a MiniDebConf in Barcelona on 15-16 March 2014, where Debian enthusiasts from far and wide will gather to talk about the latest Debian changes and the Debian community, as well as to meet new and old friends. We want to have a MiniDebConf with both talks and social events, to which everyone in Debian is invited but where the speakers in the talks are all people who identify themselves as female. We consider this important to: * Encourage women who haven't yet given their first DebConf talk * Provide role models for women who are interested in contributing * Debunk the myth that there are not enough women who can give talks in DebConf The idea behind the conference is not to talk about women in free software, or women in Debian, but rather to make discussion about Debian subjects more inclusive for women. If you agree with this goal, spread the word. Forward this call for potential speakers and help us make this event a great success! Debian Women invites submissions of proposals for papers, presentations, discussion sessions and tutorials for the event. Submissions are not limited to traditional talks: you could propose a performance, an art installation, a debate or anything else. All talks are welcome, whether newbie or very advanced level. Regular sessions will be 45 minutes long, including time for questions, with a 15 minute break between events. If you have one or more proposals, please send it to propos...@bcn2014.mini.debconf.org. Don't forget to include in your message: your name or nick, the title of the event, description, language, and any other information that might be useful. We will try to get some sponsorship to help with speakers' travel expenses. Please submit your proposal(s) before the 31st of January so that we can start the evaluation process and build the conference program. We might continue to receive proposals after date if there is still free space in the schedule. We hope to see you in Barcelona! For more information, visit http://bcn2014.mini.debconf.org Source: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/CallForProposals -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Not a valid pgp signature, but who cares? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals
On 28/12/13 11:30, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote: (...) We want to have a MiniDebConf with both talks and social events, to which everyone in Debian is invited but where the speakers in the talks are all people who identify themselves as female. Pst, al tanto doncs amb qui s'apunta a donar una xerrada [1]... i a veure què ensenya! [1] http://www.cadenaser.com/recorte/20110505csrcsrdep_4/XLCO/Ies/Carmen-Mairena-politica.jpg Salut, jors -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf13de.1060...@enchufado.com
Re: MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals
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Re: MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals
Al 28/12/13 20:39, En/na Eloi Notario ha escrit: El Dissabte, 28 de desembre de 2013, a les 18:05:10, Javier Serrano Polo va escriure: [...] Barkatu, ez dut ulertzen :-) Perdoneu, però algú ho havia de dir, això (lo de l'Eloi). Amb lo civilitzada que havia estat aquesta llista ... jo ja tinc la data de la minidebconf apuntada a l'agenda. Salut !!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf30a7.6080...@gmail.com
Re: MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals
Doncs com que m'ha semblat spam, es a dir, fent un ús ampli del terme i interpretant-lo com a correu indesitjable, l'he marcat com a tal. Bye bye. *Xavier De Yzaguirre* xdeyzaguirre(at)gmail(dot)com 2013/12/28 Mònica Ramírez mon...@probeta.net Hola, Com ja es va parlar en aquesta llista, estem preparant una minidebconf a Barcelona. Hem redacatat un Call for Proposals per aconseguir ponents. Us animo a que el reenvieu allà on creieu que pugui interessar. Si ho feu, si us plau, anoteu on ho heu enviat al final d'aquesta pàgina: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/CallForProposals Aquí va el text (en anglès): === MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals === Debian Women is proud to announce that it will hold a MiniDebConf in Barcelona on 15-16 March 2014, where Debian enthusiasts from far and wide will gather to talk about the latest Debian changes and the Debian community, as well as to meet new and old friends. We want to have a MiniDebConf with both talks and social events, to which everyone in Debian is invited but where the speakers in the talks are all people who identify themselves as female. We consider this important to: * Encourage women who haven't yet given their first DebConf talk * Provide role models for women who are interested in contributing * Debunk the myth that there are not enough women who can give talks in DebConf The idea behind the conference is not to talk about women in free software, or women in Debian, but rather to make discussion about Debian subjects more inclusive for women. If you agree with this goal, spread the word. Forward this call for potential speakers and help us make this event a great success! Debian Women invites submissions of proposals for papers, presentations, discussion sessions and tutorials for the event. Submissions are not limited to traditional talks: you could propose a performance, an art installation, a debate or anything else. All talks are welcome, whether newbie or very advanced level. Regular sessions will be 45 minutes long, including time for questions, with a 15 minute break between events. If you have one or more proposals, please send it to propos...@bcn2014.mini.debconf.org. Don't forget to include in your message: your name or nick, the title of the event, description, language, and any other information that might be useful. We will try to get some sponsorship to help with speakers' travel expenses. Please submit your proposal(s) before the 31st of January so that we can start the evaluation process and build the conference program. We might continue to receive proposals after date if there is still free space in the schedule. We hope to see you in Barcelona! For more information, visit http://bcn2014.mini.debconf.org Source: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/CallForProposals -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/877gapuv1i@debian.org
Re: jessie: resister dans l'éco-système gnome?
Le 28/12/2013 07:45, BOLLINGH Sebastien a écrit : Cette question restera toujours une question de point de vue. Comme tu dis ... :) Je sais, c'est un peu troll ;-) Certes il reste du chemin à parcourir, mais en 2 ans, quelles améliorations! Et c'est quoi l'intérêt de se passer de la souris ? Pour plein de trucs c'est hyper pratique une souris. Pour d'autres, beaucoup moins. Le dogme il faut supprimer la souris est aussi débile que celui du tout souris. Tout a fait d'accord, la souris est indispensable pour le graphismes par exemple ou le surf sur le net évidemment. Mon idée n'est pas de nier la souris mais de sortir le clavier de son rôle de machine à écrire. En l'occurence, je trouve que cela prend plus de temps d'ouvrir le menu à la souris, puis le sous-menu et cliquer sur firefox que d'enfoncer la touche win et taper fir par exemple (oui j'ai remplacer iceweasel désolé ;-) Peut-être est-ce juste une habitude mais depuis que je peux le faire, il ne me vient plus à l'idée de faire autrement. C'est possible depuis une éternité de manière portable entre les DE, c'est normalisé par freedesktop sur Alt-F2. Et dans KDE ça marche vraiment très bien (et on peut configurer si ça présente uniquement des applications ou autre chose, bookmarks, documents, etc...) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52be900c.20...@rail.eu.org
Re: Montage automatique smartphone usb hs
Le Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:52:15 +, Nicolas a écrit : Bonjour les debianistes, Depuis quelques temps mon Samsung Galaxy S ne se monte plus automatiquement au branchement. Les paramètres usb sont bien réglés sur stockage de masse dans Android. Sur l'ordi je suis obligé de faire en console sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc pour que kde (idem pour gnome) monte le smartphone. Avez-vous remarqué un comportement similaire sur Debian testing ? Quelle piste pourrais-je suivre pour résoudre ce problème ? [...] Salut! as-tu regardé dans /etc/fstab s'il n'y avait pas une entrée /dev/sdc? Auquel cas, commenter la ligne. A+ -- Px -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228131246.0532f...@lucifer.librentez.bzh
Re: [jessie] plus de mise en veille ?
On 2013-12-25 09:43:20 +, Nicolas wrote: Ça tombe bien, sur le mien de portable je n'arrive pas à faire fonctionner l'hibernation à partir du menu de gnome-shell. En console, ça marche (sudo pm-hibernate ou sudo hibernate) mais pas à partir du menu ni quand je ferme l'écran. Quelque chose en lien avec les bugs suivants? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726763 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729576 -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228121037.ga20...@xvii.vinc17.org
Re: Montage automatique smartphone usb hs
Le Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:52:15 + Nicolas nico...@tycho.fr a écrit: Bonjour les debianistes, Depuis quelques temps mon Samsung Galaxy S ne se monte plus automatiquement au branchement. Les paramètres usb sont bien réglés sur stockage de masse dans Android. Sur l'ordi je suis obligé de faire en console sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc pour que kde (idem pour gnome) monte le smartphone. Avez-vous remarqué un comportement similaire sur Debian testing ? Quelle piste pourrais-je suivre pour résoudre ce problème ? Cordialement, Nicolas R. J'ai un comportement similaire sur un PC sous testing 32 bits où seules les clés USB se montent encore automatiquement. Mon lecteur SD intégré à l'écran, un autre lecteur de carte USB, ne fonctionnent plus. Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228152831.932ee551b01fc9314513f...@neuf.fr
Re: Montage automatique smartphone usb hs
Il y a peut-être une piste à vérifier. C'est regarder si ton mobile n'est pas
pris pour un modem dans le fichier.
/lib/udev/rules.d/40-usb_modeswitch.rules
Dans mon cas, pour que mon mobile samsung GT-S5600 se monte, je suis obligé
à chaque fois, si il y a une mise à jour de usb-modeswitch-data de commenter
de nouveau la ligne ci-dessous (ATTRS{idVendor}.. ).
-
# Celot K-300, Quirky Option devices, Vertex Wireless 100 Series, Option
GlobeTrotter GX0201, Older Option devices, Samsung SGH-Z810, Prolink P2000
CDMA, Celot CT-680, AnyDATA devices, Bless UC165
# ATTRS{idVendor}==05c6, ATTRS{idProduct}==1000, RUN+=usb_modeswitch
'%b/%k'
-
Je ne sais pas pour ton Galaxy, s'il faut commenter cette ligne ou une autre
ou encore pas du tout. Tu peux déjà commencer avec celle-là et rebrancher
ton mobile pour voir si cela se monte ou pas. On ne sait jamais.
Voilà, je ne peux pas t'aider plus. Peut-être d'autres possédant cet
appareil auront une meilleure piste.
Bonne fin de semaine !
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Re: [jessie] plus de mise en veille ?
Le Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:10:37 +0100 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net a écrit: On 2013-12-25 09:43:20 +, Nicolas wrote: Ça tombe bien, sur le mien de portable je n'arrive pas à faire fonctionner l'hibernation à partir du menu de gnome-shell. En console, ça marche (sudo pm-hibernate ou sudo hibernate) mais pas à partir du menu ni quand je ferme l'écran. Quelque chose en lien avec les bugs suivants? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726763 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729576 C'est bien possible mais les solutions ne semblent pas bien claires ? Tout le monde ne semble pas d'accord, non ? Certain disent qu'il faut installer systemd-sysv pour résoudre d'autres disent que ça ne résout pas ... Sur ma machine si j'essaie d'installer systemd-sysv ça veut me retirer sysvinit, je n'ai pas osé essayer ... Bref le passage à systemd semble un beau foutoir pour l'instant. :) Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228165909.34e6c28cd8d786d8297c3...@neuf.fr
Re: jessie: resister dans l'éco-système gnome?
Le Sat, 28 Dec 2013 07:45:50 +0100 BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be a écrit: Cette question restera toujours une question de point de vue. Comme tu dis ... :) Je sais, c'est un peu troll ;-) Certes il reste du chemin à parcourir, mais en 2 ans, quelles améliorations! Et c'est quoi l'intérêt de se passer de la souris ? Pour plein de trucs c'est hyper pratique une souris. Pour d'autres, beaucoup moins. Le dogme il faut supprimer la souris est aussi débile que celui du tout souris. Tout a fait d'accord, la souris est indispensable pour le graphismes par exemple ou le surf sur le net évidemment. Mon idée n'est pas de nier la souris mais de sortir le clavier de son rôle de machine à écrire. En l'occurence, je trouve que cela prend plus de temps d'ouvrir le menu à la souris, puis le sous-menu et cliquer sur firefox que d'enfoncer la touche win et taper fir par exemple (oui j'ai remplacer iceweasel désolé ;-) Peut-être est-ce juste une habitude mais depuis que je peux le faire, il ne me vient plus à l'idée de faire autrement. En fait ça dépend. Parfois j'utilise aussi la touche super pour lancer une appli mais d'autres fois quand je suis déjà en train de naviguer avec la souris je ne vais pas utiliser le clavier, car des fois il n'est pas accessible. Gnome 3 est très incohérent à ce niveau. Etant d'un naturel optimiste, je ne le vois pas comme incohérent mais inabouti. Perso je ne vois pas du tout l'intérêt de sortir des documents ou des contacts quand on recherche un programme et vice versa ? Quand je veux des pommes si on me présente des carottes en quoi ça m'avance ? Certainement, si voulant des pommes, je ne recevais que des poires (pour l'exemple c'est mieux). Mais j'ai des poires et des pommes et je n'ai plus que des pommes une foi que je suis arrivé à la lettre discriminante m et non i. Il me semble qu'avoir cette interface de reherche unique est très intuitif, je n'ai pas besoin de faire des recherches à des endroits différents parce que je cherche des objets différents, surtout avec la centralisation d'accès à de multiples comptes en lignes. Que ce soit des contacts locaux, gmail, des documents sur plusieurs partages, un programme... c'est la même recherche de base. C'est en cela que je trouve le clavier plus puissant que la souris grace à la démarche de Gnome. C'est bien ça tout ce que je reproche à ce système !!! C'est qu'il mélange beaucoup trop de sources. Dans un cadre professionnelle c'est inutilisable. C'est d'ailleurs pour ça (et la non séparation des bureaux) que sur la machine du boulot que je viens de passer en wheezy j'ai fait une installation XFCE et plus Gnome comme je faisais jusqu'à maintenant. Quand je suis avec un collègue ou pire un extérieur je n'ai pas du tout envie qu'il voit mes documents ou mes contacts s'afficher alors que je veux juste lancer un logiciel. C'est déjà un bordel quand on veut chercher un programme depuis qu'ils ont viré les catégories si en plus il faut taper plus de lettres pour discriminer par rapport à d'autres objets qui n'ont rien à voir avec ce que l'on cherche on ne va pas vers l'efficacité, bien au contraire ... Ceci dit, je suis peut-être réceptif à cela car je cherchais ce comportement déjà dans Gnome2 où j'utilisais Gnome-Do. Les deux démarches combinées (plus de clavier et recherche centralisée) incitent, je trouve, à chercher globalement plus de raccourcis claviers y compris dans les applications et là on gagne aussi du temps. Pas compris ce que tu veux dire ? Maintenant, si on pouvais aller encore plus loin et avoir des options une foi l'objet trouvé (imprimer/ouvrir, envoyer un mail, ...) ou que cela soit interprêté comme une ligne de commande avec complétion et tout et tout et si ça faisait le café ... oups je vai prendre mais médicaments ;-) Perso je veux bien qu'une machine me simplifie la vie pas qu'elle pense à ma place ... Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131229003358.b44f127943f0f002df6f2...@neuf.fr
Re: [jessie] plus de mise en veille ?
On 2013-12-28 16:59:09 +0100, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Sat, 28 Dec 2013 13:10:37 +0100 Vincent Lefevre vinc...@vinc17.net a écrit: On 2013-12-25 09:43:20 +, Nicolas wrote: Ça tombe bien, sur le mien de portable je n'arrive pas à faire fonctionner l'hibernation à partir du menu de gnome-shell. En console, ça marche (sudo pm-hibernate ou sudo hibernate) mais pas à partir du menu ni quand je ferme l'écran. Quelque chose en lien avec les bugs suivants? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726763 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729576 C'est bien possible mais les solutions ne semblent pas bien claires ? Tout le monde ne semble pas d'accord, non ? Certain disent qu'il faut installer systemd-sysv pour résoudre d'autres disent que ça ne résout pas ... Ça résout au moins certains problèmes. Voir aussi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=731882 où il est dit the system reboots normally (only if systemd is used as pid 1). Sur ma machine si j'essaie d'installer systemd-sysv ça veut me retirer sysvinit, je n'ai pas osé essayer ... Il faut attendre que systemd-sysv change son Conflicts:. Cf http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=733240 Bref le passage à systemd semble un beau foutoir pour l'instant. :) Cela devrait être résolu rapidement... En revanche, installer systemd-sysv va supprimer sysvinit-core et par la même occasion changer le système d'init (il ne sera pas possible d'avoir le choix), au risque de tout casser. Apparemment, d'après ce qu'Andreas Cadhalpun a dit dans le bug 729576, le paquet systemd suffit si on utilise init=/bin/systemd au boot. Après, je ne sais pas si /bin/systemd est la même chose que le /sbin/init de systemd-sysv. -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131229021842.gc20...@xvii.vinc17.org
Re: jessie: resister dans l'éco-système gnome?
Le Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 12:33:58AM +0100, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : je viens de passer en wheezy j'ai fait une installation XFCE et plus Gnome comme je faisais jusqu'à maintenant. … C'est déjà un bordel quand on veut chercher un programme depuis qu'ils ont viré les catégories Précision: les catégories sont encore là dans Stable (Wheezy, GNOME 3.4). Elles ne sont pas apparentes par défaut dans les versions suivantes, que l'on trouve dans Testing et Unstable, mais ces distributions ne sont pas recommandées pour une utilisation routinière. Ensuite, on peut facilement les faire revenir, voir le lien suivant. http://www.gauthampdas.com/blog/tech/linux/enabling-categories-in-gnome-3-8-shell-application-menu Enfin, GNOME dans Wheezy a quelques changements par rapport aux paramètres par défaut. Par exemple, dans Debian, « Éteindre » est toujours présent dans le menu alors que par défaut on doit appuyer sur « alt » pour le voir. On ne peut donc pas spéculer sur ce que sera GNOME dans Jessie: des défauts agaçants pourront tout à fait être corrigés. Bonne journée, -- Charles Plessy Illkirch-Graffenstaden, France -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131229074329.ga28...@falafel.plessy.net
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MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals
A día de hoy, una de las tres cara belas de Debian en España, la Mònica, ha decidido revelar una inocentada que lleva preparando desde hace meses. Puede que algunos recuerden a la señora Ramírez de alguna gira por Suramérica. Siento decir que era una actriz. La verdadera señora Ramírez no sabe hablar español. Su odisea consiste en organizar una MiniDebConf, una reunión local similar a DebConf, pero en contexto regional. Ésta se celebrará en la ciudad ficticia de Barcelona. Digo ficticia por las múltiples pruebas históricas que demuestran que los Países Catalanes no existen. Es una reunión de ponentes femeninas. Aún siendo la señora Ramírez la única desarrolladora Debian de Cataluña, el idioma inicial naturalmente ha sido el catalán. Pero ante las presiones internacionales y que está un poco oxidado el catalán de la señora Reiter, que dará la mayoría de charlas, se ha aceptado el inglés. Realmente, no sé cómo está el tema del idioma de las intervenciones. Eso tendrán que discutirlo con la organización. Imagino que supondrá un problema si las intervenciones son solo en inglés, ya que hay numerosos estudios científicos que demuestran que las mujeres son incapaces de aprender más de un idioma. Así que si alguien de esta lista se queja de no entender el texto adjunto, solo demostrará que es una nenaza. Como dice el texto, se aceptan ponentes que se identifiquen como hembra. Pero les advierto que no bastará con el carnet de la biblioteca. Los encargados de seguridad se han criado viendo un serie llamada Bola de Dragón. Sabrán distinguir a las mujeres auténticas de las que lleven bolas mágicas. El ds 28 de 12 de 2013 a les 11:30 +0100, Mònica Ramírez Arceda va escriure: === MiniDebConf 2014 Barcelona Call for Proposals === Debian Women is proud to announce that it will hold a MiniDebConf in Barcelona on 15-16 March 2014, where Debian enthusiasts from far and wide will gather to talk about the latest Debian changes and the Debian community, as well as to meet new and old friends. We want to have a MiniDebConf with both talks and social events, to which everyone in Debian is invited but where the speakers in the talks are all people who identify themselves as female. We consider this important to: * Encourage women who haven't yet given their first DebConf talk * Provide role models for women who are interested in contributing * Debunk the myth that there are not enough women who can give talks in DebConf The idea behind the conference is not to talk about women in free software, or women in Debian, but rather to make discussion about Debian subjects more inclusive for women. If you agree with this goal, spread the word. Forward this call for potential speakers and help us make this event a great success! Debian Women invites submissions of proposals for papers, presentations, discussion sessions and tutorials for the event. Submissions are not limited to traditional talks: you could propose a performance, an art installation, a debate or anything else. All talks are welcome, whether newbie or very advanced level. Regular sessions will be 45 minutes long, including time for questions, with a 15 minute break between events. If you have one or more proposals, please send it to propos...@bcn2014.mini.debconf.org. Don't forget to include in your message: your name or nick, the title of the event, description, language, and any other information that might be useful. We will try to get some sponsorship to help with speakers' travel expenses. Please submit your proposal(s) before the 31st of January so that we can start the evaluation process and build the conference program. We might continue to receive proposals after date if there is still free space in the schedule. We hope to see you in Barcelona! For more information, visit http://bcn2014.mini.debconf.org Source: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/CallForProposals -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Not a valid pgp signature, but who cares? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [OT] Gloo, un proyecto que necesita voluntarios
El Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:21:15 -0500, juan.mejias escribió: El Vie, 27 de Diciembre de 2013, 10:43 am, Camaleón escribió: (...) Además de la interfaz web tiene tres APIs a las que se puede acceder por HTTP: una para texto plano, una para XML y otra para JSON, lo que ahorra considerablemente el ancho de banda. Está programado en Java, utilizando el framework Play! en su versión 2.1.1. (...) Si necesita el complemento de java en el navegador para funcionar no te puedo ayudar porque lo tengo desactivado. Desgraciadamente el Java de Oracle ha tenido tantos problemas de seguridad que al final opté por dejarlo inactivo en todos los navegadores de los clientes, linux incluido. No Camaleón, no necesitas el complemento de Java para el navegador. Java lo utilizo para la programación del lado del servidor, por lo que desde el punto de vista del navegador es como si se conectara a cualquier servidor web: HTML+CSS+JavaScript todo sobre HTTP. El framework Play incluye su propio servidor web, el Netty, por lo que no depende de un servidor Tomcat para desplegar la aplicación. Te animas ahora? Claro que sí, además puedo probarlo desde varios navegadores y sistemas operativos. ¿Dónde puedo acceder como usuario para probarlo? Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.18.38...@gmail.com
Re: ¿No va bluetooth en Debian testing?
El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 00:32:00 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 27/12/13 17:28, Camaleón escribió: En el informe de fallo indican como baipás instalar la versión anterior del paquete (la de wheezy). Gracias, pero no soy capaz de instalar la versión de Wheezy. He descargado la versión obexd-client_0.46-1+b1_amd64.deb pero cuando trato de instalarla con Gdebi no me deja porque ya hay instalada una versión posterior. Y si trato de desinstalar la que hay, se empeña en querer quitar todo gnome y no se que más... Dependiendo de las dependencias que tenga el paquete es posible que puedas hacer dos cosas: 1/ Eliminar primero (la versión actual) e instalar después (la versión de wheezy) pero dices que esto te quiere borrar algunos meta-paquetes. 2/ Añadir el repo de wheezy al sources.list y desde synaptic (pestaña versiones) forzar la instalación de una versión anterior. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.18.43...@gmail.com
[OT] Re: como activar raid en ahci
El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 03:18:45 +, Rafael Ruiz Gonzalez escribió: buenas a todos, Buenas :-) Tengo dos discos ssd recien comprados ( 1 para Debian y otro para Win7) y dos discos duros de 1TB cada uno (en Raid 0). el caso es que he leido que para aprovechar el rendimiento del ssd hay que poner la placa en modo ahci, pero si pongo en modo ahci pierdo el raid, y si dejo la placa en modo raid no aprovecho el modo ahci. o si? ¿El RAID 0 es para Windows 7 o para Debian? El modo RAID de la BIOS sólo te lo recomendaría que lo activaras si ya has instalado Windows 7 con éste habilitado pero si van a convivir Windows y Linux en un mismo equipo personalmente me decantaría por configurar la BIOS en modo AHCI y configurar un RAID por software, tanto en Windows (desde su administrador de disco) como en Linux (usando mdraid). Me han dicho que poniendo la placa en modo Raid se activa tambien el modo ahci, es cierto eso? En Windows es posible (por los drivers) pero en Linux me parece que el instalador seleccionará como controlador de disco duro dmraid (una patata). Desconozco si es posible forzar el uso de otro driver :-? el caso es que en Debian, en modo ahci, no me reconoce los discos duros de un 1TB ni por separado, puesto que tengo ya el array hecho del raid 0 antes de instalar Debian. Pero esa configuración con RAID 0 ¿la has creado desde Windows, desde Debian o simplemente desde la BIOS (el volumen aún no contiene datos)? Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.18.52...@gmail.com
[OT] Re: Error a entrar a una PC con Windows 7
El Fri, 27 Dec 2013 09:09:32 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: Hasta hace unos días podía entrar a una PC con Windows 7 sin problema alguno. ¿Y preguntas en esta lista? Ponle al menos el OT, hombre... Desde ayer cuando trato de entrar me sale un mensaje donde dice: No se puede montar el lugar. Falló al obtener la lista de compartición del servidor Alguien se le ha presentado este problema? Como podría resolverlo? Pues extrañamente (y es extraño porque los mensajitos de Windows suelen ser crípticos de narices) el mensaje parece bastante evidente. Mi bola de cristal me dice que el inicio de sesión del usuario necesita un recurso de red al que no tiene acceso en ese momento. Tendrás que averiguar de qué se trata porque la bola lleva un firmware antiguo y no dispone de más cobertura, vamos, que no alcanza a ver más allá... Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.18.57...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: Error a entrar a una PC con Windows 7
- Original Message - From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:57 PM Subject: [OT] Re: Error a entrar a una PC con Windows 7 El Fri, 27 Dec 2013 09:09:32 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: Hasta hace unos días podía entrar a una PC con Windows 7 sin problema alguno. ¿Y preguntas en esta lista? Ponle al menos el OT, hombre... Desde ayer cuando trato de entrar me sale un mensaje donde dice: No se puede montar el lugar. Falló al obtener la lista de compartición del servidor Alguien se le ha presentado este problema? Como podría resolverlo? Pues extrañamente (y es extraño porque los mensajitos de Windows suelen ser crípticos de narices) el mensaje parece bastante evidente. Mi bola de cristal me dice que el inicio de sesión del usuario necesita un recurso de red al que no tiene acceso en ese momento. Tendrás que averiguar de qué se trata porque la bola lleva un firmware antiguo y no dispone de más cobertura, vamos, que no alcanza a ver más allá... Camaleón Porque OT, si so estoy en debian wheezy y me quiero conectar desde mi pc en debian, desde aquí me conectaba bien hasta hace unos días y de repente dejé de conectarme, sin embargo si le daba ping me respondía corectamente. Desde otras PC en Windows 7 si me conecto bien, pero desde esta que tiene Wheezy instalado no un Wondows, así que no es ningún OT. Pero bueno, para más intriga aun hoy volvio todo a la normalidad sin hacer adsolutamente nada. Saludos | ISMAEL | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b8a4251d9e8f477398556466c258c...@natio.co.cu
raid
el disco raid lo tengo hecho por hardware desde hace tiempo y contiene datos importantes , por eso la importancia de hacer raid para instalar win y linux, pero yo lo que digo es que si en modo raid solo pierdes velocidad o tambien es importante para los ssd? porque si es cuestion solo de velocidad me quedo en raid y asi no tengo problemas con el raid 0 que tengo ya hecho en dos discos de un 1tB, pero si es importante para la vida util de los discos ssd, entonces no me queda otra que hacer raid por software y poner la placa en modo ahci. Gracias. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/dub124-w114ceb97a8839bb0bddbbbd0...@phx.gbl
Re: [OT] Gloo, un proyecto que necesita voluntarios
Claro que sÃ, además puedo probarlo desde varios navegadores y sistemas operativos. ¿Dónde puedo acceder como usuario para probarlo? Eso estaría muy bien, gracias. Ahora mismo no tengo una version compilada disponible, sin embargo puedes obtener el código fuente desde GitHub, el repo está en https://github.com/greenled/gloo, y para clonarlo puedes utilizar la dirección https://github.com/greenled/gloo.git Perdona que te mande directo contra los fuentes, pero no tengo suficiente ancho de banda para subir a internet una versión compilada, que actualmente pesa unos 30 Mb y algo. Algo que me evitaría momentáneamente tener que subir una version compilada sería utilizar un servicio de hosting llamado Heroku(http://www.heroku.com) que sólo enviándole el repo Git me descarga él solito todas las dependencias y pone a correr la aplicación. Han tenido una tremenda idea verdad? Así podrías sin problemas utilizar la aplicación sin tener que compilarla. El problema es que ese sitio sólo ofrece Git a través de SSH, y mi ISP no me permite utilizar SSH, sólo HTTP, HTTPS, FTP,...lo básico. No sé si estás familiarizado con Git, o con Java, o con el framework en que estoy desarrollando la aplicación (Play 2), sualquier duda escribes. Por cierto, conoces alguna lista de desarrolladores, donde esta conversación pueda encajar mejor? Hablé sobre el proyecto en esta porque es Software Libre, sin embargo los detalles técnicos de su desarrollo están totalmente off topic y no quiero ser indisciplinado. Saludos, Juan Carlos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/67f86d709da224c3e5c13da4a282ee8b.squir...@webmail.reduc.edu.cu
OpenVZ en Debian 7 (wheezy)
Hola Lista. Alguien vió algo de esto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Según entiendo dice que se puede instalar desde los repos de OpenVZ.org? Que opinan? Muchas Gracias. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf2d45.9020...@gmail.com
Re: ¿No va bluetooth en Debian testing?
El 28/12/13 19:43, Camaleón escribió: El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 00:32:00 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 27/12/13 17:28, Camaleón escribió: En el informe de fallo indican como baipás instalar la versión anterior del paquete (la de wheezy). Gracias, pero no soy capaz de instalar la versión de Wheezy. He descargado la versión obexd-client_0.46-1+b1_amd64.deb pero cuando trato de instalarla con Gdebi no me deja porque ya hay instalada una versión posterior. Y si trato de desinstalar la que hay, se empeña en querer quitar todo gnome y no se que más... Dependiendo de las dependencias que tenga el paquete es posible que puedas hacer dos cosas: 1/ Eliminar primero (la versión actual) e instalar después (la versión de wheezy) pero dices que esto te quiere borrar algunos meta-paquetes. 2/ Añadir el repo de wheezy al sources.list y desde synaptic (pestaña versiones) forzar la instalación de una versión anterior. Saludos, Muchas gracias. Con la opción 2 ha dado resultado. :-) -- www.LinuxCounter.net Registered user #558467 has 1 linux machines Registered Linux machine #2003003 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l9nccu$54b$1...@ger.gmane.org
Csf firewall
Csf firewall I have installed the CSF Firewall with the webmin. Once I fully installed it, I applied the changees and restarted the computer and when I opened the webmin, The following appeared )and this is strange for I am the only one that uses this computer): According to the end of your /var/log/messages: Dec 28 18:16:43 eagle304 kernel: [95809.583160] Firewall: *TCP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:19:99:c3:ef:cf:64:87:88:b3:ae:01:08:00 SRC=69.64.45.188 DST=69.64.39.218 LEN=44 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=55 ID=52976 PROTO=TCP SPT=35398 DPT=2000 WINDOW=32120 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 Dec 28 18:16:45 eagle304 kernel: [95811.581887] Firewall: *TCP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:19:99:c3:ef:cf:64:87:88:b3:ae:01:08:00 SRC=69.64.45.188 DST=69.64.39.218 LEN=44 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=55 ID=52976 PROTO=TCP SPT=35398 DPT=2000 WINDOW=32120 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 Dec 28 18:20:38 eagle304 kernel: [96045.348102] Firewall: *UDP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:19:99:c3:ef:cf:64:87:88:b3:c1:81:08:00 SRC=176.92.88.94 DST=69.64.39.218 LEN=90 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=110 ID=10164 PROTO=UDP SPT=10423 DPT=50362 LEN=70 Dec 28 18:20:58 eagle304 kernel: [96064.844348] Firewall: *UDP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:19:99:a9:33:a4:08:00 SRC=69.64.38.103 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=95 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=47241 DPT=10412 LEN=75 the server may have been under attack. After rebooting, the server is at its login prompt again, yet we find no TCP port responding to cursory port scans. You can make necessary configuration adjustments by placing the server into Recovery Mode by navigating to Hardware Recovery, on your Power Panel Page, mounting the necessary file systems, and altering the configuration as needed. This was the answer given by the server. So I think I need to config sometyhin. Thanks a lot. I wait for an answer.
[SOLUCIONADO] Re: ¿No va bluetooth en Debian testing?
El 28/12/13 21:30, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 28/12/13 19:43, Camaleón escribió: 2/ Añadir el repo de wheezy al sources.list y desde synaptic (pestaña Muchas gracias. Con la opción 2 ha dado resultado. :-) Se me olvidó poner solucionado en el asunto del hilo del mensaje anterior. -- www.LinuxCounter.net Registered user #558467 has 1 linux machines Registered Linux machine #2003003 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/l9ncmc$728$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: [OT] Re: Error a entrar a una PC con Windows 7
El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:46:40 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: El Fri, 27 Dec 2013 09:09:32 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: Hasta hace unos días podía entrar a una PC con Windows 7 sin problema alguno. ¿Y preguntas en esta lista? Ponle al menos el OT, hombre... Desde ayer cuando trato de entrar me sale un mensaje donde dice: No se puede montar el lugar. Falló al obtener la lista de compartición del servidor Alguien se le ha presentado este problema? Como podría resolverlo? Pues extrañamente (y es extraño porque los mensajitos de Windows suelen ser crípticos de narices) el mensaje parece bastante evidente. Mi bola de cristal me dice que el inicio de sesión del usuario necesita un recurso de red al que no tiene acceso en ese momento. Tendrás que averiguar de qué se trata porque la bola lleva un firmware antiguo y no dispone de más cobertura, vamos, que no alcanza a ver más allá... Camaleón Porque OT, si so estoy en debian wheezy y me quiero conectar desde mi pc en debian, desde aquí me conectaba bien hasta hace unos días y de repente dejé de conectarme, sin embargo si le daba ping me respondía corectamente. Desde otras PC en Windows 7 si me conecto bien, pero desde esta que tiene Wheezy instalado no un Wondows, así que no es ningún OT. Pues porque tal y como lo habías explicado no había ningún Debian de por medio, así que la próxima vez añade todos los datos y así evitamos malentendidos ;-) Pero bueno, para más intriga aun hoy volvio todo a la normalidad sin hacer adsolutamente nada. Ya habrá podido establecer conexión con el servidor. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.21.21...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Gloo, un proyecto que necesita voluntarios
El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:50:02 -0500, juan.mejias escribió: Claro que sÃ, además puedo probarlo desde varios navegadores y sistemas operativos. ¿Dónde puedo acceder como usuario para probarlo? Eso estaría muy bien, gracias. Ahora mismo no tengo una version compilada disponible, sin embargo puedes obtener el código fuente desde GitHub, el repo está en https://github.com/greenled/gloo, y para clonarlo puedes utilizar la dirección https://github.com/greenled/gloo.git (...) Huy, nada de compilaciones... cuando tengas alguna versión accesible me lo dices y hago las pruebas pero no tengo tiempo para meterme con más. Por cierto, conoces alguna lista de desarrolladores, donde esta conversación pueda encajar mejor? Hablé sobre el proyecto en esta porque es Software Libre, sin embargo los detalles técnicos de su desarrollo están totalmente off topic y no quiero ser indisciplinado. Saludos, Juan Carlos Pues no sé dónde podría encajar mejor :-? Dado que en esta fase parece que aún buscas desarrolladores (y no tanto usuarios) tampoco pasa nada por tratar el tema en esta lista marcando el hilo con OT como bien has hecho. El proyecto puede ser de interés para algún listero. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.21.26...@gmail.com
Re: raid
El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 19:48:22 +, Rafael Ruiz Gonzalez escribió: Rafael, en las listas de correo como esta hay que responder a los mensajes en lugar de mandar un nuevo correo para que así todos los hilos que tratan de un mismo tema queden agrupados correctamente. el disco raid lo tengo hecho por hardware desde hace tiempo y contiene datos importantes , por eso la importancia de hacer raid para instalar win y linux, Eso te iba a preguntar, que nos dijeras qué idea llevas en cuanto a la organización de los discos duros ya que has comentado antes que tenías 2 SSD y dos convencionales de 1 TiB cada uno con un RAID 0. ¿Qué contiene cada disco y qué quieres conseguir? En principio el RAID falso (el que se activa desde la BIOS de la placa base) es la peor de la opciones posibles en cuanto a rendimiento y flexibilidad tanto para linux como para windows. pero yo lo que digo es que si en modo raid solo pierdes velocidad o tambien es importante para los ssd? Si te refieres a que si seleccionas el modo RAID para los discos desde la BIOS te va a penalizar en velocidad o si tva a afcetra de alguna forma a la vida útil de las celdas de memoria de los discos SSD, entonces sí (con matices) a la primera cuestión y no a la segunda (con matices también). Si configuras el modo RAID en la BIOS, Debian cargará el módulo del kernel dmraid (independientemente de que uses o no un nivel de RAID) para controlar los discos duros que es a día de hoy la peor de las opciones en cuanto a rendimiento pero que salvo que tengas alguna necesidad muy concreta o una configuración extremadamente afinada, tampoco vas a notar una diferencia enorme. En cuanto a la segunda cuestión, configurar el modo RAID en la BIOS no implica que tengas que crear un RAID en Linux, puedes usarlo o puedes usar discos duros de manera independiente. Los discos SSD están limitados por el número de escrituras, eso es cierto pero poner un RAID 0 sobre los dos discos SSD (que deben ir rápido sin más añadidos) no me parece que aporte ventaja alguna salvo que tengas una configuración muy concreta/ especial o excesivamente afinada. porque si es cuestion solo de velocidad me quedo en raid y asi no tengo problemas con el raid 0 que tengo ya hecho en dos discos de un 1tB, pero si es importante para la vida util de los discos ssd, entonces no me queda otra que hacer raid por software y poner la placa en modo ahci. Gracias. Puedes dejarlo como está, no tienes por qué configurar ningún RAID en Linux aunque tengas en la BIOS activado el modo RAID para la controladora de los discos, pero eso ya depende de lo que quieras hacer. Yo prefiero el modo AHCI (más estable, mejores prestaciones y más seguro) pero en tu caso entiendo que requiere de un trabajo extra que quizá no estés dispuesto a llevar a cabo. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.21.51...@gmail.com
Re: OpenVZ en Debian 7 (wheezy)
El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:57:57 -0300, ciracusa escribió: Hola Lista. Alguien vió algo de esto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Según entiendo dice que se puede instalar desde los repos de OpenVZ.org? Que opinan? Parece que esos repositorios para debian los lleva un desarrollador de OpenVZ así que no pinta mal. Tienes más información actualizada en su blog: Debian kernel packages http://openvz.livejournal.com/45345.html Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.22.05...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Gloo, un proyecto que necesita voluntarios
Yo me prendo! Enviado desde mi BlackBerry® de Claro Argentina -Original Message- From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 21:26:04 To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Reply-To: A MI NO, ENVIA A LA LISTA noelamac+a_mi_no_envia_a_la_li...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OT] Gloo, un proyecto que necesita voluntarios El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:50:02 -0500, juan.mejias escribió: Claro que sÃ, además puedo probarlo desde varios navegadores y sistemas operativos. ¿Dónde puedo acceder como usuario para probarlo? Eso estaría muy bien, gracias. Ahora mismo no tengo una version compilada disponible, sin embargo puedes obtener el código fuente desde GitHub, el repo está en https://github.com/greenled/gloo, y para clonarlo puedes utilizar la dirección https://github.com/greenled/gloo.git (...) Huy, nada de compilaciones... cuando tengas alguna versión accesible me lo dices y hago las pruebas pero no tengo tiempo para meterme con más. Por cierto, conoces alguna lista de desarrolladores, donde esta conversación pueda encajar mejor? Hablé sobre el proyecto en esta porque es Software Libre, sin embargo los detalles técnicos de su desarrollo están totalmente off topic y no quiero ser indisciplinado. Saludos, Juan Carlos Pues no sé dónde podría encajar mejor :-? Dado que en esta fase parece que aún buscas desarrolladores (y no tanto usuarios) tampoco pasa nada por tratar el tema en esta lista marcando el hilo con OT como bien has hecho. El proyecto puede ser de interés para algún listero. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.21.26...@gmail.com
Re: OpenVZ en Debian 7 (wheezy)
El 28 de diciembre de 2013, 19:05, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:57:57 -0300, ciracusa escribió: Hola Lista. Alguien vió algo de esto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Según entiendo dice que se puede instalar desde los repos de OpenVZ.org? Que opinan? Parece que esos repositorios para debian los lleva un desarrollador de OpenVZ así que no pinta mal. Tienes más información actualizada en su blog: Debian kernel packages http://openvz.livejournal.com/45345.html Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.22.05...@gmail.com Por mi parte te recomendaria empesar a pensar en mudarte a lxc hay cosas verdes todavia. pero usar una herramienta que esta metiendo tantos palos en la rueda a mi me da una sensacion de inseguridad -- MrIX Linux user number 412793. http://counter.li.org/ las grandes obras, las sueñan los santos locos, las realizan los luchadores natos, las aprovechan los felices cuerdo, y las critican los inútiles crónicos,
Re: OpenVZ en Debian 7 (wheezy)
On 28/12/13 19:12, Cristian Mitchell wrote: El 28 de diciembre de 2013, 19:05, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com mailto:noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:57:57 -0300, ciracusa escribió: Hola Lista. Alguien vió algo de esto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Según entiendo dice que se puede instalar desde los repos de OpenVZ.org? Que opinan? Parece que esos repositorios para debian los lleva un desarrollador de OpenVZ así que no pinta mal. Tienes más información actualizada en su blog: Debian kernel packages http://openvz.livejournal.com/45345.html Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.22.05...@gmail.com Por mi parte te recomendaria empesar a pensar en mudarte a lxc hay cosas verdes todavia. pero usar una herramienta que esta metiendo tantos palos en la rueda a mi me da una sensacion de inseguridad Gracias Cristian y Camaleon por ambas respuestas. Les consulto, algo en lo cual aún si no me decido. El equipo que tengo es nuevo y tiene un micro Intel con soporte nativo para VT. Ahora bien, el kernel del Host Anfitrión (osea el que contendrá a los contenedores VZ) me conviene que sea un i386 o el AMD64? Muchas Gracias. Saludos.
Re: OpenVZ en Debian 7 (wheezy)
On 28/12/13 19:12, Cristian Mitchell wrote: El 28 de diciembre de 2013, 19:05, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com mailto:noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:57:57 -0300, ciracusa escribió: Hola Lista. Alguien vió algo de esto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Según entiendo dice que se puede instalar desde los repos de OpenVZ.org? Que opinan? Parece que esos repositorios para debian los lleva un desarrollador de OpenVZ así que no pinta mal. Tienes más información actualizada en su blog: Debian kernel packages http://openvz.livejournal.com/45345.html Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.22.05...@gmail.com Por mi parte te recomendaria empesar a pensar en mudarte a lxc hay cosas verdes todavia. pero usar una herramienta que esta metiendo tantos palos en la rueda a mi me da una sensacion de inseguridad Añado, este es el kernel [1] que instaló siguiendo el tutorial que les decía [2]. [1] Linux debian 2.6.32-openvz-042stab084.12-i386 #1 SMP Tue Nov 26 20:05:27 MSK 2013 i686 GNU/Linux [2] http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Salu2.
Re: OpenVZ en Debian 7 (wheezy)
El día 29 de diciembre de 2013, 1:49, ciracusa cirac...@gmail.com escribió: On 28/12/13 19:12, Cristian Mitchell wrote: El 28 de diciembre de 2013, 19:05, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:57:57 -0300, ciracusa escribió: Hola Lista. Alguien vió algo de esto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Según entiendo dice que se puede instalar desde los repos de OpenVZ.org? Que opinan? Parece que esos repositorios para debian los lleva un desarrollador de OpenVZ así que no pinta mal. Tienes más información actualizada en su blog: Debian kernel packages http://openvz.livejournal.com/45345.html Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.22.05...@gmail.com Por mi parte te recomendaria empesar a pensar en mudarte a lxc hay cosas verdes todavia. pero usar una herramienta que esta metiendo tantos palos en la rueda a mi me da una sensacion de inseguridad Añado, este es el kernel [1] que instaló siguiendo el tutorial que les decía [2]. [1] Linux debian 2.6.32-openvz-042stab084.12-i386 #1 SMP Tue Nov 26 20:05:27 MSK 2013 i686 GNU/Linux [2] http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Salu2. Comparar lxc con openvz es como comparar a dios con un gitano... Recomiendo openvz 100%, bajo mi experiencia claro. Uso openvz desde hace 2 años y es increíble...sin más. Has mirado la alternativa de proxmox?? Usa debian por debajo y es muy potente. Soportan tanto kvm, como openvz además de una interfaz de administración para gestionarlas, backups, alta disponibilidad, migrar containers a otro proxmox con minima perdida de servicio... Además de backups en caliente tanto de kvm como de openvz gracias a lvm. En fin, todo es probar. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAJ2aOA9nWHJvO+hkqmxgsQ_Bp+VEYQ8yhS58=wahyq8mj1k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OpenVZ en Debian 7 (wheezy)
que sea procesador vt no importa tanto para openvz como para lxc para el host te recomiendo amd64 que podes correr cualquier contenedor y el contenedor la version que mejor se adapte a tu aplicacion El 28 de diciembre de 2013, 21:49, ciracusa cirac...@gmail.com escribió: On 28/12/13 19:12, Cristian Mitchell wrote: El 28 de diciembre de 2013, 19:05, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 28 Dec 2013 16:57:57 -0300, ciracusa escribió: Hola Lista. Alguien vió algo de esto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Según entiendo dice que se puede instalar desde los repos de OpenVZ.org? Que opinan? Parece que esos repositorios para debian los lleva un desarrollador de OpenVZ así que no pinta mal. Tienes más información actualizada en su blog: Debian kernel packages http://openvz.livejournal.com/45345.html Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2013.12.28.22.05...@gmail.com Por mi parte te recomendaria empesar a pensar en mudarte a lxc hay cosas verdes todavia. pero usar una herramienta que esta metiendo tantos palos en la rueda a mi me da una sensacion de inseguridad Añado, este es el kernel [1] que instaló siguiendo el tutorial que les decía [2]. [1] Linux debian 2.6.32-openvz-042stab084.12-i386 #1 SMP Tue Nov 26 20:05:27 MSK 2013 i686 GNU/Linux [2] http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=103638 Salu2. -- MrIX Linux user number 412793. http://counter.li.org/ las grandes obras, las sueñan los santos locos, las realizan los luchadores natos, las aprovechan los felices cuerdo, y las critican los inútiles crónicos,
ssd en Debian 7
hola, mi duda es si debo hacer una configuración adicional a la instalación de mi debían. pues adquirí una unidad de almacenamiento sólido y no se en que estado está el kernel para aceptar este tipo de dispositivos, espero alguna respuesta de sus experiencias. saludos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cag799-rb_eyts+jesnxotfuzynjx7tzhjbodblf9os+b5_h...@mail.gmail.com
[OT] Skänkes SUN E450
Hejsan, ursäkta spammande, men jag hoppas någon entusiast är intresserad av en gammal SUN-server. Det är en Sun Enterprise E450 som önskar få ett nytt hem. Servern är 10+ år och var i gång till november, men har mest blåst varmluft de senaste åren. Körde Debian så klart. Specifikation: CPU: 4x SunSPARC IIe @ 450 MHz RAM: 4GB HDD: 4 st interna. iaf två är 72GB SCSI2. Finns gott om plats för ytterligare diskar om man hittar ett bakplan. Därtill en fullbestyckad Sun D1000 extern disklåda med, vad som verkar, 36GB Ultra160-diskar (har inte varit inkopplad på länge). Medföljer en konsollkabel så man kan komma åt servern på serieporten (9600,8,N,1), men en USB-seriell behövs. Allt som allt väger detta runt 100kg och enda villkoret för att få allt detta till skänks är att du kommer och hämtar och bär ut detta från min lägenhet i Årsta, Stockholm. Jag bor på 1:a våningen så det är inte många trapport att forcera, däremot en liten bit att bära fram till lastplats. Om du fixar bärhjälpen men har problem med transport kan jag vara behjälplig att transportera det hela inom Storstockholm. Med hopp om att slippa köra denna server till skroten. Johan Björklund
Re: por que Debian?
Sou a favor a todas as distribuições que são realmente GNU/Linux e seguem os padrões de segurança, estabilidade e liberdade de trabalhar com o sistema. Como eu era um membro do Ubuntu anos atras e agora vejo esta distribuição totalmente um malware e se você é usuário desta distribuição por favor tenha sua privacidade preservada utilizando o Fix Ubuntu ( https://fixubuntu.com). Optei por ser usuário do Debian Wheezy por costume de utilizar ferramentas de gerenciamento de pacotes por exemplo e dar continuidade em meus trabalhos (Desktop) e facilidade de manusear para mim e minha família. Agora por usar o Debian, ai vai do gosto de cada um e da adaptação que a própria pessoa irá ter, como diz um ditado popular. Gosto não se discute Em 28 de dezembro de 2013 00:29, Tobias Sette tobiase...@gmail.comescreveu: troll apt rpm /troll Att, Tobias http://gnu.eti.br -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/CM/G/H/IT/L/SS d?(--) s++:+ a-- C+++ UL++ P+ L !E@W+++ !N o? K- w !O !M@ !V@ PS PE-- !Y@ PGP t+ 5? X? R+ !tv b+ DI+ !D@ G e- h+ r-- y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- Em 27 de dezembro de 2013 21:19, Luis debian...@yahoo.com.br escreveu: boa noite amigos, Sou técnico em informática e de uns tempos pra cá tenho estudo linux, montei um servidor em casa com Debian e meu desktop também roda o Debian, por isso gostaria de saber a opinião dos amigos, por que usar Debain? o que os levou a usá-lo ao invés por exemplo de usar o Slackware? desde já agradeço a todos. até mais
Re: por que Debian?
Sou usuário Linux desde o começo. No começo não tinhamos opções, eu usava Slackware porque era a distribuição com maior base de usuários que se tinha notícia. Quando o Debian apareceu, em 1993, eu cheguei a testar, mas continuei com Slackware até 1998, quando o Debian lançou o APT na distribuição instavel, e migrei definitivamente pro Debian quando o Slink ainda era testing. O motivo que me atraiu foi o apt, que gerenciava as instalações de pacotes de forma inovadora. Mas aos poucos fui vendo que o Debian não era só mais um projeto de Software Livre, era uma nova forma de organizar o mundo através de uma sociedade meritocrática e utilizando valores libertários ao redor de um contrato social ao qual todos aderem. Não é perfeito, pois existem as relações de poder como em qualquer grupo social, mas a história do projeto tem mostrado a força do contrato social como elemento agregador. Portanto, migrei por causa do APT e fiquei por causa do contrato social. O APT já foi portado e copiado para todas as distribuições hoje em dia, e quem não portou desenvolveu seu proprio sistema de gestão de instalação de pacotes inspirado no APT. Mas o Contrato Social do Debian ninguém copiou ainda Uma de minhas frustrações é nunca ter tido tempo pra colaborar com o projeto, até mesmo me tornando um DD. Mas como falta pouco pra eu me aposentar este pode ser meu projeto de vida quando pendurar as chuteiras formalmente... Leia aqui - http://www.debian.org/social_contract.pt.html Em 27 de dezembro de 2013 21:19, Luis debian...@yahoo.com.br escreveu: boa noite amigos, Sou técnico em informática e de uns tempos pra cá tenho estudo linux, montei um servidor em casa com Debian e meu desktop também roda o Debian, por isso gostaria de saber a opinião dos amigos, por que usar Debain? o que os levou a usá-lo ao invés por exemplo de usar o Slackware? desde já agradeço a todos. até mais -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caema1k_6hmqdpzbggfavpnshnpnuh99w75kdyfuyukiqne3...@mail.gmail.com
Re: por que Debian?
Assim como o China, comecei quase no começo do mundo GNU/Linux em um curso técnico no Instituto Federal de Alagoas (IFAL, antigo CEFET) e de cara vi o Debian como S.O. para a banca administração de servidores livres, até instalei o Debian no meu primeiro Desktop porém migrei para o Slackware porque queria fuçar mais e etc. Passei bons anos com o Slackware como distro principal, passei por outras como Gentoo, Funtoo, ArchLinux, fui até para o mundo BSD com OpenBSD e FreeBSD, porém meu S.O. primário sempre foi o GNU/Linux e então retornei para o Debian, onde permaneço até hoje. Gosto bastante do APT, contrato social e principalmente adoro a comunidade, Debian é uma distro que tem a maior e mais ativa comunidade livre que conheço. Além de que seu poder de englogar tantas arquiteturas e kernels é impressionante. Sendo base também para certificações como a LPI. Sendo também usado em muitos servidores de renome na internet e por grandes empresas. O poder, velocidade, praticidade, segurança, customização, estabilidade e tantos outros fatores faz com que o Debian seja meu S.O. favorito. Uso tudo nele, desde Servidores em meu trabalho, a VPS (servidor web para projetos de desenvolvimento com Python/Django) e desktop. Até minha namorada usa Debian (usava Ubuntu e reclamava que estava lento, tentei enxugar desabilitando alguns serviços, até recompilar kernel eu fiz mas emfim instalei o Debian padrão e ela está gostando :) ). O que eu gostaria de ver funcional esse ano de 2014 é o kernel Hurd. Até instalei o Debian/Hurd em uma VM com Virt-manager para testar. Debian forever! ;) Em 28 de dezembro de 2013 08:07, China china.lis...@gmail.com escreveu: Sou usuário Linux desde o começo. No começo não tinhamos opções, eu usava Slackware porque era a distribuição com maior base de usuários que se tinha notícia. Quando o Debian apareceu, em 1993, eu cheguei a testar, mas continuei com Slackware até 1998, quando o Debian lançou o APT na distribuição instavel, e migrei definitivamente pro Debian quando o Slink ainda era testing. O motivo que me atraiu foi o apt, que gerenciava as instalações de pacotes de forma inovadora. Mas aos poucos fui vendo que o Debian não era só mais um projeto de Software Livre, era uma nova forma de organizar o mundo através de uma sociedade meritocrática e utilizando valores libertários ao redor de um contrato social ao qual todos aderem. Não é perfeito, pois existem as relações de poder como em qualquer grupo social, mas a história do projeto tem mostrado a força do contrato social como elemento agregador. Portanto, migrei por causa do APT e fiquei por causa do contrato social. O APT já foi portado e copiado para todas as distribuições hoje em dia, e quem não portou desenvolveu seu proprio sistema de gestão de instalação de pacotes inspirado no APT. Mas o Contrato Social do Debian ninguém copiou ainda Uma de minhas frustrações é nunca ter tido tempo pra colaborar com o projeto, até mesmo me tornando um DD. Mas como falta pouco pra eu me aposentar este pode ser meu projeto de vida quando pendurar as chuteiras formalmente... Leia aqui - http://www.debian.org/social_contract.pt.html Em 27 de dezembro de 2013 21:19, Luis debian...@yahoo.com.br escreveu: boa noite amigos, Sou técnico em informática e de uns tempos pra cá tenho estudo linux, montei um servidor em casa com Debian e meu desktop também roda o Debian, por isso gostaria de saber a opinião dos amigos, por que usar Debain? o que os levou a usá-lo ao invés por exemplo de usar o Slackware? desde já agradeço a todos. até mais -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caema1k_6hmqdpzbggfavpnshnpnuh99w75kdyfuyukiqne3...@mail.gmail.com -- Esp. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)
Re: por que Debian?
Boas festas a todos, e em 2014: Debian Jessie GNU/Linux e Debian/Hurd! Em 28 de dezembro de 2013 09:53, Daniel Pimentel (d4n1) d4n1h...@gmail.comescreveu: Assim como o China, comecei quase no começo do mundo GNU/Linux em um curso técnico no Instituto Federal de Alagoas (IFAL, antigo CEFET) e de cara vi o Debian como S.O. para a banca administração de servidores livres, até instalei o Debian no meu primeiro Desktop porém migrei para o Slackware porque queria fuçar mais e etc. Passei bons anos com o Slackware como distro principal, passei por outras como Gentoo, Funtoo, ArchLinux, fui até para o mundo BSD com OpenBSD e FreeBSD, porém meu S.O. primário sempre foi o GNU/Linux e então retornei para o Debian, onde permaneço até hoje. Gosto bastante do APT, contrato social e principalmente adoro a comunidade, Debian é uma distro que tem a maior e mais ativa comunidade livre que conheço. Além de que seu poder de englogar tantas arquiteturas e kernels é impressionante. Sendo base também para certificações como a LPI. Sendo também usado em muitos servidores de renome na internet e por grandes empresas. O poder, velocidade, praticidade, segurança, customização, estabilidade e tantos outros fatores faz com que o Debian seja meu S.O. favorito. Uso tudo nele, desde Servidores em meu trabalho, a VPS (servidor web para projetos de desenvolvimento com Python/Django) e desktop. Até minha namorada usa Debian (usava Ubuntu e reclamava que estava lento, tentei enxugar desabilitando alguns serviços, até recompilar kernel eu fiz mas emfim instalei o Debian padrão e ela está gostando :) ). O que eu gostaria de ver funcional esse ano de 2014 é o kernel Hurd. Até instalei o Debian/Hurd em uma VM com Virt-manager para testar. Debian forever! ;) Em 28 de dezembro de 2013 08:07, China china.lis...@gmail.com escreveu: Sou usuário Linux desde o começo. No começo não tinhamos opções, eu usava Slackware porque era a distribuição com maior base de usuários que se tinha notícia. Quando o Debian apareceu, em 1993, eu cheguei a testar, mas continuei com Slackware até 1998, quando o Debian lançou o APT na distribuição instavel, e migrei definitivamente pro Debian quando o Slink ainda era testing. O motivo que me atraiu foi o apt, que gerenciava as instalações de pacotes de forma inovadora. Mas aos poucos fui vendo que o Debian não era só mais um projeto de Software Livre, era uma nova forma de organizar o mundo através de uma sociedade meritocrática e utilizando valores libertários ao redor de um contrato social ao qual todos aderem. Não é perfeito, pois existem as relações de poder como em qualquer grupo social, mas a história do projeto tem mostrado a força do contrato social como elemento agregador. Portanto, migrei por causa do APT e fiquei por causa do contrato social. O APT já foi portado e copiado para todas as distribuições hoje em dia, e quem não portou desenvolveu seu proprio sistema de gestão de instalação de pacotes inspirado no APT. Mas o Contrato Social do Debian ninguém copiou ainda Uma de minhas frustrações é nunca ter tido tempo pra colaborar com o projeto, até mesmo me tornando um DD. Mas como falta pouco pra eu me aposentar este pode ser meu projeto de vida quando pendurar as chuteiras formalmente... Leia aqui - http://www.debian.org/social_contract.pt.html Em 27 de dezembro de 2013 21:19, Luis debian...@yahoo.com.br escreveu: boa noite amigos, Sou técnico em informática e de uns tempos pra cá tenho estudo linux, montei um servidor em casa com Debian e meu desktop também roda o Debian, por isso gostaria de saber a opinião dos amigos, por que usar Debain? o que os levou a usá-lo ao invés por exemplo de usar o Slackware? desde já agradeço a todos. até mais -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caema1k_6hmqdpzbggfavpnshnpnuh99w75kdyfuyukiqne3...@mail.gmail.com -- Esp. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1) -- Esp. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)
Re: por que Debian?
apenas para passar mais um detalhe Tem certas coisas que só o Debian faz para vc isto quer dizer que para o administrador é MUITO mais facil ter o Debian que outras distros. Um exemplo, quando vc instala o mdadm ele já pergunta se vc que fazer a checagem dos dispositivos RAID 1 vez ao mes. Pode parecer bobeira mas o Debian facilita em muito a vida do adm sem que ele necessite ficar fazendo scripts para um monte de tarefas administrativas. Elas normalmente já vem com o pacote80) []s Em 28 de dezembro de 2013 10:56, Daniel Pimentel (d4n1) d4n1h...@gmail.comescreveu: Boas festas a todos, e em 2014: Debian Jessie GNU/Linux e Debian/Hurd! Em 28 de dezembro de 2013 09:53, Daniel Pimentel (d4n1) d4n1h...@gmail.com escreveu: Assim como o China, comecei quase no começo do mundo GNU/Linux em um curso técnico no Instituto Federal de Alagoas (IFAL, antigo CEFET) e de cara vi o Debian como S.O. para a banca administração de servidores livres, até instalei o Debian no meu primeiro Desktop porém migrei para o Slackware porque queria fuçar mais e etc. Passei bons anos com o Slackware como distro principal, passei por outras como Gentoo, Funtoo, ArchLinux, fui até para o mundo BSD com OpenBSD e FreeBSD, porém meu S.O. primário sempre foi o GNU/Linux e então retornei para o Debian, onde permaneço até hoje. Gosto bastante do APT, contrato social e principalmente adoro a comunidade, Debian é uma distro que tem a maior e mais ativa comunidade livre que conheço. Além de que seu poder de englogar tantas arquiteturas e kernels é impressionante. Sendo base também para certificações como a LPI. Sendo também usado em muitos servidores de renome na internet e por grandes empresas. O poder, velocidade, praticidade, segurança, customização, estabilidade e tantos outros fatores faz com que o Debian seja meu S.O. favorito. Uso tudo nele, desde Servidores em meu trabalho, a VPS (servidor web para projetos de desenvolvimento com Python/Django) e desktop. Até minha namorada usa Debian (usava Ubuntu e reclamava que estava lento, tentei enxugar desabilitando alguns serviços, até recompilar kernel eu fiz mas emfim instalei o Debian padrão e ela está gostando :) ). O que eu gostaria de ver funcional esse ano de 2014 é o kernel Hurd. Até instalei o Debian/Hurd em uma VM com Virt-manager para testar. Debian forever! ;) Em 28 de dezembro de 2013 08:07, China china.lis...@gmail.com escreveu: Sou usuário Linux desde o começo. No começo não tinhamos opções, eu usava Slackware porque era a distribuição com maior base de usuários que se tinha notícia. Quando o Debian apareceu, em 1993, eu cheguei a testar, mas continuei com Slackware até 1998, quando o Debian lançou o APT na distribuição instavel, e migrei definitivamente pro Debian quando o Slink ainda era testing. O motivo que me atraiu foi o apt, que gerenciava as instalações de pacotes de forma inovadora. Mas aos poucos fui vendo que o Debian não era só mais um projeto de Software Livre, era uma nova forma de organizar o mundo através de uma sociedade meritocrática e utilizando valores libertários ao redor de um contrato social ao qual todos aderem. Não é perfeito, pois existem as relações de poder como em qualquer grupo social, mas a história do projeto tem mostrado a força do contrato social como elemento agregador. Portanto, migrei por causa do APT e fiquei por causa do contrato social. O APT já foi portado e copiado para todas as distribuições hoje em dia, e quem não portou desenvolveu seu proprio sistema de gestão de instalação de pacotes inspirado no APT. Mas o Contrato Social do Debian ninguém copiou ainda Uma de minhas frustrações é nunca ter tido tempo pra colaborar com o projeto, até mesmo me tornando um DD. Mas como falta pouco pra eu me aposentar este pode ser meu projeto de vida quando pendurar as chuteiras formalmente... Leia aqui - http://www.debian.org/social_contract.pt.html Em 27 de dezembro de 2013 21:19, Luis debian...@yahoo.com.br escreveu: boa noite amigos, Sou técnico em informática e de uns tempos pra cá tenho estudo linux, montei um servidor em casa com Debian e meu desktop também roda o Debian, por isso gostaria de saber a opinião dos amigos, por que usar Debain? o que os levou a usá-lo ao invés por exemplo de usar o Slackware? desde já agradeço a todos. até mais -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caema1k_6hmqdpzbggfavpnshnpnuh99w75kdyfuyukiqne3...@mail.gmail.com -- Esp. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1) -- Esp. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1) -- Paulo Ricardo Bruck consultor tel 011 3596-4881/4882 011 98140-9184 (TIM) http://www.contatogs.com.br http://www.protejasuarede.com.br gpg AAA59989 at wwwkeys.us.pgp.net
Re: por que Debian?
Deixe-me dar meu testemunho também. Eu não tenho nenhum envolvimento profissional com informática. Meu envolvimento com Linux foi mera curiosidade, pela filosofia da coisa e pela possibilidade de não me deixar escravizar pelo Windows. Mas foi apenas com o Ubuntu e aquela história de enviar CDs para as pessoas que comecei a usar mesmo o Linux. Lembro que antes do Ubuntu, eu cheguei a cogitar usar o Debian, mas lembro que me pareceu muito confuso, o lance de ter que usar vários CDs, nada me parecia claro, não sabia se apenas um já resolveria a questão (imagino que isso ainda hoje aflija muitos potenciais novos usuários). O Debian entrou de verdade na minha vida no início desse ano. Decidi largar o Ubuntu, começaram com aquele lixo daquele Unity (aliás, se o lance do xfce padrão no Debian se confirmar, iniciarei nova busca), depois com o spyware do amazon e outros, e o gradativo abandono dos princípios que eles mesmos pregavam no início. E também não queria me deixar escravizar pelo Ubuntu. Comecei minha jornada pelas principais distros atuais, em nenhuma conseguia fazer meu Wifi funcionar e pensei: já que o Ubuntu se baseia no Debian e meu Wifi funcionava no Ubuntu, o Debian é a minha solução: estável (até demais, eu diria), confiável, com Gnome, fiel aos seus princípios e deve dar pra fazer meu Wifi funcionar. Pronto, estou satisfeito até agora com o Debian (depois de alguns contratempos experimentando testing e sid devido aos softwares defasados da estável - Firefox sem atualizações não rola, nunca vou entender essa estabilidade). Essa é minha história com o Debian, até o momento quase nada a reclamar. ;-) Atenciosamente, Márcio Vinícius Pinheiro. http://about.me/Doideira Em 27/12/2013 21:22, Luis debian...@yahoo.com.br escreveu: boa noite amigos, Sou técnico em informática e de uns tempos pra cá tenho estudo linux, montei um servidor em casa com Debian e meu desktop também roda o Debian, por isso gostaria de saber a opinião dos amigos, por que usar Debain? o que os levou a usá-lo ao invés por exemplo de usar o Slackware? desde já agradeço a todos. até mais
Re: Off-topic: Gmail Grrrr.
On 12/25/13, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:51:25 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-24 at 15:40 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-24 at 18:04 +0400, Reco wrote: I wrote one runs two instances of firefox with different profiles To friends stuck in proprietary land, I have suggested here and there that they do their internet banking in a separate firefox profile from their youtube and facebook etc. On the rare occasion they have later swapped to GNU, one individual of course wanted to keep using her various (she uses quite a few) profiles, all of which she keeps in separate Truecrypt volumes! Tell me, which one is more KISS: 1) Appending certain 'keywords' to a link. 2) Parsing such link. 3) Relying on a custom script. Or, just: Run the link in a browser for the current user account. When one user is running multiple identities be in Unix-account logins, Firefox profiles, or something else yet, this is always going to be more complicated to the one-identity-only problem. I agree that separate Linux accounts appears to have some definitely favourable options. But is the setting up of separate _user_ accounts, for only one user, and training that user (lets say grandma), for the sake of some extra security, an established and easy pathway? Rhetorical question I know. And yes, of course, training Grandma to use multiple Firefox profiles is probably not going to be much easier. And in both cases banking icon on desktop vs family and photos icon on desktop is going to be the same, from grandma's perspective, no matter what's under the hood. I think what we need is some more software/memes/workflows to be established for the easy (eg gui) management of multiple identities (or security contexts or ...) XFCE still doesn't have a sanctioned XFCE user management applet, and those from other DE's are not designed with automate restrictions for banking-only firefox profile type user-account creation idea. Maybe an opportunity for libre-software desktop promoter-developers... The main thing is - KISS - a user has got no root privileges or assumed the user s admin too, than it's simply nonsense to become root and too add another user. Sometimes it's useful to add another user and sometimes it's not. Hardly an issue, as adding a user is done once per OS lifetime, not each time browser starts. Again, user accounts, and firefox profiles, are particular technologies. We probably ought think in terms of identities and how best to facilitate the use-cases for the types of identities that we (or our Debian users) will want to manage. The particular tech under the hood ought be secondary. ... - You have one user with browser profile with flash plugin enabled. Any damage that's done via flash plugin is limited to this account data. - You have a different user with browser profile with java plugin enabled. Again, any damage that's done via java plugin is limited to this account data. - You have a third user for Google Chrome, which has an interesting habit to read files in user's $HOME for unknown reasons. - And, you have the main account, which is allowed to run browsers with rights of three previous users, and stripped down (no plugins, disabled cookies and JS) browser for that clicked link. It's basic damage control, applied in advance. This is a good type of thinking of course. Depending on the type of online identity, an extra Firefox profile might be plenty, and in some cases perhaps preferred. Of course, for my internet banking, paypal and bill payments identity, the stricter protection provided between Linux user accounts appears on the surface to make a lot of sense. Separation of ebay and amazon etc product browsing, vs using PayPal to actually make a specific payment, and how to separate these two browser functions into separate personal identity security contexts is a more complex issue I think... Sometimes it's even more useful if a family does share one account with different settings. It belongs to the things they want to share or not want to share. True. People do this. That's wrong thing. Would somebody think of the children ;)! Having a different account for each family member saves one from 'who deleted my important file' incidents, which is invaluable. True. This happens. At least in my family everyone has a different account on every host I have in my house. And people usually know (and children can be more-or-less easily taught) about usernames/passwords. It's the 'browser profiles' which are complete life-changing discovery for them. Every tech has its place. Goals (as you pointed out some above) are the real question, and many of those questions are not yet well answered, it seems self evident. Best regards to all, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact
Re: Can't set hostname through preseed.cfg in Weezy
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Todd Maurice toddmaur...@outlook.com wrote: 1. Software deselection What is the correct command for no installed packages (bare CLI)? tasksel tasksel/first multiselect none -or- tasksel tasksel/first multiselect -or- tasksel tasksel/first multiselect I use 'tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ' but 'tasksel tasksel/first multiselect' should work too. I have no idea whether none will be understood by d-i. 2. Hostname I tried both d-i netcfg/hostname somehost -and- d-i netcfg/get_hostname string somehost but in both cases the host gets set as debian. I tried both at the same time but still the host is set as debian. hostname=hostname at the kernel cmdline -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Swr0c9RFtuk=xptdmjkv+m4cqyhf_yvgql4aq1_nhs...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Off-topic: Gmail Grrrr.
Hi. On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 21:01:31 +1100 Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: On 12/25/13, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:51:25 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-24 at 15:40 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-12-24 at 18:04 +0400, Reco wrote: I wrote one runs two instances of firefox with different profiles To friends stuck in proprietary land, I have suggested here and there that they do their internet banking in a separate firefox profile from their youtube and facebook etc. On the rare occasion they have later swapped to GNU, one individual of course wanted to keep using her various (she uses quite a few) profiles, all of which she keeps in separate Truecrypt volumes! An interesting approach, but not something I would practice myself. See, using Truecrypt (or LUKS, or whatever) implies that whatever is stored inside is valuable enough to keep it encrypted. Anything that is put into a crypto container is safe until one begins to use it. And storing banking information outside someone's head is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start ;) Tell me, which one is more KISS: 1) Appending certain 'keywords' to a link. 2) Parsing such link. 3) Relying on a custom script. Or, just: Run the link in a browser for the current user account. When one user is running multiple identities be in Unix-account logins, Firefox profiles, or something else yet, this is always going to be more complicated to the one-identity-only problem. I agree that separate Linux accounts appears to have some definitely favourable options. But is the setting up of separate _user_ accounts, for only one user, and training that user (lets say grandma), for the sake of some extra security, an established and easy pathway? I believe you're confusing 'hard to setup' with 'hard to use'. Of course the end user would be given appropriate icons (or menu entries, or whatever) which will say 'Press me for Youtube and Netflix', 'Press me for bankning only'. See Android. They are using different uids for different applications from the beginning, and nobody complains that 'Android is teh hard'. Rhetorical question I know. And yes, of course, training Grandma to use multiple Firefox profiles is probably not going to be much easier. And in both cases banking icon on desktop vs family and photos icon on desktop is going to be the same, from grandma's perspective, no matter what's under the hood. I think what we need is some more software/memes/workflows to be established for the easy (eg gui) management of multiple identities (or security contexts or ...) That would require all browser makers to change IMO. So far their attitude was 'put all your activities into one big browser window'. XFCE still doesn't have a sanctioned XFCE user management applet, and those from other DE's are not designed with automate restrictions for banking-only firefox profile type user-account creation idea. Maybe an opportunity for libre-software desktop promoter-developers... That's the point of another different discussion, but my opinion on that is - useradd, userdel and passwd work good enough. On that unlikely occasion I'll need pointy and clicky GUI for user management task - I'll use usermode package (which is already here, and uses GTK2). Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228144311.d3affcd938d6ca5faa5b3...@gmail.com
Re: Off-topic: Gmail Grrrr.
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 02:43:11PM +0400, Reco wrote: And storing banking information outside someone's head is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start ;) If you have a nasty accident and lose parts of your memory is a damn good reason, and that is just as a start! :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228115637.GA26712@tal
Re: How do I solve pinning issues - Was: jwm
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:25:25PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Sid is called unstable because it is a rolling release and you get package updates 4 times per day. Vice versa for Wheezy. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228115921.GB26712@tal
Re: Off-topic: Gmail Grrrr.
On 12/28/13, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 02:43:11PM +0400, Reco wrote: And storing banking information outside someone's head is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start ;) If you have a nasty accident and lose parts of your memory is a damn good reason, and that is just as a start! :) I've thought for some years that a small inexpensive palm-size computer, with a truecrypt/tcplay volume, which contains a text file containing passwords. Text files are git-syncable (to backup crypt volumes (when mounted of course)) and this palm device could be unlocked with user-chosen combination of security options - a USB key or smartcard, pass phrase, voice, fingerprint etc. I know, a smart-phone :) But, the point being, a dedicated never-connected to any network device (ie no phone part, no wireless etc). And what gets unlocked (very temporarily) is just a text file - perhaps with a fancy Android-swipey GUI thing to scroll through or something. Sorry getting more OT I guess. I'll just, carry on ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSQ4hatos8ED1kmd+0W0rPAmUf7w5m5Sm=vvg_w-x3o...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Off-topic: Gmail Grrrr.
On Sun, 29 Dec 2013 00:56:37 +1300 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 02:43:11PM +0400, Reco wrote: And storing banking information outside someone's head is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start ;) If you have a nasty accident and lose parts of your memory is a damn good reason, and that is just as a start! :) Um, but would not such accident will result in losing information of existence of bank account also? And I can always go to my bank in person, provide them my ID, and have my cash anyway. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131228162510.80daacaf3573ea2e5b3ec...@gmail.com
Internet loads too slow
Hi all, I have asked this question everywhere, but still haven't gotten clear and solid solutions yet, so I thought I would send this to this list. As title says, internet loads too slow on Debian Wheezy amd 64. I have searched web and have done several methods to turn ipv6 off including Iceweasel, but still websites load slow. Any additional advise ? Thanks in advance. A.K. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bed197.9040...@gmail.com
Re: Internet loads too slow
On 28 December 2013 13:26, Man_Without_Clue love.cha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have asked this question everywhere, but still haven't gotten clear and solid solutions yet, so I thought I would send this to this list. As title says, internet loads too slow on Debian Wheezy amd 64. I have searched web and have done several methods to turn ipv6 off including Iceweasel, but still websites load slow. Any additional advise ? Thanks in advance. A.K. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bed197.9040...@gmail.com Compared to? Which browser are you using? Try Chromium. -- *rob*
Re: Internet loads too slow
On 29/12/13 00:26, Man_Without_Clue wrote:
Hi all,
I have asked this question everywhere, but still haven't gotten clear
and solid solutions yet, so I thought I would send this to this list.
Perhaps because there are an unknown number of causes for the problem
and because you've provided no information about your network. :)
As title says, internet loads too slow on Debian Wheezy amd 64.
I have searched web and have done several methods to turn ipv6 off
including Iceweasel, but still websites load slow.
Any additional advise ?
See below.
*Important* please tell us what you have done to disable IPV6 *and*
your home network configuration, ISP plan, etc (do you really not have
IPV6?).
Thanks in advance.
A.K.
What part of the internet loads slow? e.g. DNS results, browser page,
slow internet etc.
Check the DNS by pinging a domain name then it's IP address and posting
your results e.g.:-
$ ping -c 5 google.com
PING google.com (101.119.11.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from google.com (101.119.11.99): icmp_req=1 ttl=60 time=77.5 ms
64 bytes from google.com (101.119.11.99): icmp_req=2 ttl=60 time=67.5 ms
64 bytes from google.com (101.119.11.99): icmp_req=3 ttl=60 time=68.0 ms
64 bytes from google.com (101.119.11.99): icmp_req=4 ttl=60 time=86.6 ms
64 bytes from google.com (101.119.11.99): icmp_req=5 ttl=60 time=63.2 ms
--- google.com ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4004ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 63.284/72.615/86.673/8.442 ms
scott@vbserver:~/Downloads/kernel$ ping -c 5 101.119.11.99
PING 101.119.11.99 (101.119.11.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 101.119.11.99: icmp_req=1 ttl=60 time=66.6 ms
64 bytes from 101.119.11.99: icmp_req=2 ttl=60 time=65.1 ms
64 bytes from 101.119.11.99: icmp_req=3 ttl=60 time=65.8 ms
64 bytes from 101.119.11.99: icmp_req=4 ttl=60 time=83.2 ms
64 bytes from 101.119.11.99: icmp_req=5 ttl=60 time=75.1 ms
--- 101.119.11.99 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4005ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 65.100/71.195/83.222/7.028 ms
NOTE: my system uses a wireless broadband connection so slow responses
are normal for this network.
Show us your nameserver settings by posting the output of:-
$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
Show us the routing by posting the output of:-
# route
See if you are dropping packets by substituting $dev with your internet
connection device:-
# ifconfig $dev
e.g eth1 is my internet connection and it's dropped no packets
# ifconfig eth0
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:20:ed:8f:ab:fd
inet addr:192.168.0.6 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:89090 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:188186 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:14993111 (14.2 MiB) TX bytes:248603032 (237.0 MiB)
Interrupt:22 Base address:0xe000
Show us your NICs by posting the output of:-
$ ip a
Test your download speed with curl (# apt-get install curl if you
don't have it). This will is to distiguish between network speed and
browser speed e.g.:-
$ curl http://www.debian.org -w
%{time_connect}:%{time_starttransfer}:%{time_total}:%{size_download}
NOTE: I get 0.930:1.787:2.016:13655
Lastly check dmesg and /var/log/syslog for pertinent errors, check top
and free for system resource restraints.
Kind regards
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Re: L2TP VPN configuration
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:08:57AM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote: FYI, Android uses an entirely different stack to handle PPTP and L2TP; it even involves new kernel modules. You may refer to my mail here: http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/ce-android-mainline/2013-December/000114.html For ordinary (GNU/)Linux distribution like Debian, one can try to use some traditional tools. Alternatively, if one want to use fancy new NetworkManager as frontend, one may consider the following project: https://github.com/seriyps/NetworkManager-l2tp It is available in Fedora now, also within PPA of Ubuntu and AUR of ArchLinux. It is not available in Debian now as far as I know. Thanks for the info. -Rob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
GRUB Menu Problems After Reinstalling Windows
Hi, I dual-booted Debian with Windows. I reinstalled my Windows and now the GRUB menu does not appear. How can I fix this without reinstalling Debian again? With thanks, Muntasim-Ul-Haque
Re: Re: Disabling gpe18 at reboot
Running echo disable /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe18 twice disables gpe18. So add it to /etc/rc.local twice. Take a look at here: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61051 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bee758.9070...@gmail.com
Re: Off-topic: Gmail Grrrr.
On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 00:56 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 02:43:11PM +0400, Reco wrote: And storing banking information outside someone's head is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start ;) If you have a nasty accident and lose parts of your memory is a damn good reason, and that is just as a start! :) A 4 numbered PIN of a bank card that is seldom used already can be a PITA without being victim of an accident. The PINs change every few years and after a while there are similar PINs in your memory, something like 9972 vs 7929. A written down aide-memoire in an address book on an USB stick or similar might help. Mona Lisa Tux 79 Iceshelf City Icedove Street 29 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388244198.1062.20.camel@archlinux
Re: GRUB Menu Problems After Reinstalling Windows
On 29/12/13 01:50, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: Hi, I dual-booted Debian with Windows. I reinstalled my Windows and now the GRUB menu does not appear. How can I fix this without reinstalling Debian again? With thanks, Muntasim-Ul-Haque Use the rescue option on the installation CD/DVD http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52beed29.1050...@gmail.com
Re: How do I solve pinning issues - Was: jwm
On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 00:59 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:25:25PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Sid is called unstable because it is a rolling release and you get package updates 4 times per day. Vice versa for Wheezy. No updates, but 4 times unstable? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388244562.1062.24.camel@archlinux
Re: Off-topic: Gmail Grrrr.
On Sat, 2013-12-28 at 23:13 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On 12/28/13, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 02:43:11PM +0400, Reco wrote: And storing banking information outside someone's head is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start ;) If you have a nasty accident and lose parts of your memory is a damn good reason, and that is just as a start! :) I've thought for some years that a small inexpensive palm-size computer, with a truecrypt/tcplay volume, which contains a text file containing passwords. And how do you remember the passphrase for the encryption after the roof tile has fallen on your head? Even my idea with the not encrypted address book, a written down aide-memoire in an address book on an USB stick or similar might help, has it's drawback. The user likely will forget to unplug the USB stick or unplugs the USB stick, get sidetracked by a telephone call and instead of putting down the stick on the PC tower, the user put down the stick on the telephone table and won't remember it. You are aware that users reply to phishing mails, seemingly not the users who had a nasty accident and need to store the data by a browser profile ;). You can not expect the same habits by all users. A paperhanger, hanging wallpapers 5 days a week, for 8 hours a day, does internalise procedures, movements. A paperhanger can't expect that you follow procedures, movements the same way as he does, if you hang papers every few years. You can't expect that a user acts as a power-user does, especially not when having a brain damage, being old etc.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1388245864.1062.42.camel@archlinux
Re: Grub2 menu editing (solved)
On 12/25/2013 12:14 PM, Gary Roach wrote: Would someone tell me how to edit the grub2 menu. I have over 10 items showing including versions of the OS that I don't even use anymore. Further, the items are out of order and I have to be careful when rebooting or the wrong OS gets loaded. I'm using Debian Wheezy and AMD 64 OS with an Intel i5750 processor. Gary R. Thank you all. You have given me enough information to correct my problems. In reference to experience, I've actually been using Debian for close to 15 years. There is just a lot of things that are out of site out of mind but come up to bite me once in a while. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52befb79.8000...@verizon.net
Upgraded apache 2.2 - 2.4 and cannot get passwords to work
My modest-sized web server was recently upgraded. There were problems with access control, fairly well documented and fairly easily fixed. Authentication, on the other hand, acts as if it's not there -- anyone and everyone is let into the few parts that used to be controlled. So I have them offline for now. I don't see any writeups of problems with this, so perhaps the way I solved access control borked the authentication. I have everything in /var/www and /www, and the authenticated parts are in /www, with a Directory stanza containing authentication info for each of the two (but apache is apparently ignoring them). I don't have /srv. Authentication is by a simple text file with less than 100 entries. Does anyone have a similar setup in apache 2.4 that works? Care to share how? -- Kevin O'Gorman programmer, n. an organism that transmutes caffeine into software. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cagvxcsaypczstam-grgwqvdsnza1gdwrz5panvpu+iursf7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Upgraded apache 2.2 - 2.4 and cannot get passwords to work
On 12/28/2013 11:09 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: My modest-sized web server was recently upgraded. There were problems with access control, fairly well documented and fairly easily fixed. Authentication, on the other hand, acts as if it's not there -- anyone and everyone is let into the few parts that used to be controlled. So I have them offline for now. I don't see any writeups of problems with this, so perhaps the way I solved access control borked the authentication. I have everything in /var/www and /www, and the authenticated parts are in /www, with a Directory stanza containing authentication info for each of the two (but apache is apparently ignoring them). I don't have /srv. Authentication is by a simple text file with less than 100 entries. Does anyone have a similar setup in apache 2.4 that works? Care to share how? What else is on it, and how was it setup? Plain Debian Wheezy, or Ubuntu-fied Debian? -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 Computers have lots of memory but no imagination. The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back. - from some guy on the internet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf01e3.1070...@sbcglobal.net
Re: Upgraded apache 2.2 - 2.4 and cannot get passwords to work
On 29/12/13 03:52, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: On 12/28/2013 11:09 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: My modest-sized web server was recently upgraded. There were problems with access control, fairly well documented and fairly easily fixed. Authentication, on the other hand, acts as if it's not there -- anyone and everyone is let into the few parts that used to be controlled. So I have them offline for now. I don't see any writeups of problems with this, so perhaps the way I solved access control borked the authentication. I have everything in /var/www and /www, and the authenticated parts are in /www, with a Directory stanza containing authentication info for each of the two (but apache is apparently ignoring them). I don't have /srv. Authentication is by a simple text file with less than 100 entries. Does anyone have a similar setup in apache 2.4 that works? Care to share how? What else is on it, and how was it setup? Plain Debian Wheezy, or Ubuntu-fied Debian? 1++ I have a number of web servers updated from Squeeze to Wheezy several months ago - I've had no problems with authentication. Multi-user/multi-site so I have nothing being served from /var/www (suexec). Please expand on your authentication system and the problems plus error messages. Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf2837.2050...@gmail.com
Re: Upgraded apache 2.2 - 2.4 and cannot get passwords to work
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 29/12/13 03:52, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: On 12/28/2013 11:09 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: My modest-sized web server was recently upgraded. There were problems with access control, fairly well documented and fairly easily fixed. Authentication, on the other hand, acts as if it's not there -- anyone and everyone is let into the few parts that used to be controlled. So I have them offline for now. I don't see any writeups of problems with this, so perhaps the way I solved access control borked the authentication. I have everything in /var/www and /www, and the authenticated parts are in /www, with a Directory stanza containing authentication info for each of the two (but apache is apparently ignoring them). I don't have /srv. Authentication is by a simple text file with less than 100 entries. Does anyone have a similar setup in apache 2.4 that works? Care to share how? What else is on it, and how was it setup? Plain Debian Wheezy, or Ubuntu-fied Debian? I have a number of web servers updated from Squeeze to Wheezy several months ago - I've had no problems with authentication. Wheezy has 2.2 not 2.4 Please expand on your authentication system and the problems plus error messages. +1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sz+WBn6+eYG8byhG2u55NkM_U3x=y10r-4l4scnmoe...@mail.gmail.com
Borked upgrade
Upgrading my Sid system today all went fine until the new Mate-polkit packages. Now even apt-get -f install won't work. root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: mate-polkit-common The following NEW packages will be installed: mate-polkit-common 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. 54 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/55.1 kB of archives. After this operation, 359 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] (Reading database ... 140927 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../mate-polkit-common_1.6.0-1_i386.deb ... Unpacking mate-polkit-common (1.6.0-1) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/mate-polkit-common_1.6.0-1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-mate-authentication-agent-1.desktop', which is also in package mate-polkit:i386 1.6.0-1 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mate-polkit-common_1.6.0-1_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) root@frank-debian:/home/frank# Should I just wait? There are a lot of packages half installed or half configured on the system now. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf3ead.20...@videotron.ca
Re: Borked upgrade
On 28/12/13 04:12 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: Upgrading my Sid system today all went fine until the new Mate-polkit packages. Now even apt-get -f install won't work. root@frank-debian:/home/frank# apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following extra packages will be installed: mate-polkit-common The following NEW packages will be installed: mate-polkit-common 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. 54 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/55.1 kB of archives. After this operation, 359 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] (Reading database ... 140927 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../mate-polkit-common_1.6.0-1_i386.deb ... Unpacking mate-polkit-common (1.6.0-1) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/mate-polkit-common_1.6.0-1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-mate-authentication-agent-1.desktop', which is also in package mate-polkit:i386 1.6.0-1 Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mate-polkit-common_1.6.0-1_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) root@frank-debian:/home/frank# ' Fixed it..thanks to dpkg --force-overwrite -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf43e6.2070...@videotron.ca
Re: Upgraded apache 2.2 - 2.4 and cannot get passwords to work
On 29/12/13 07:28, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 29/12/13 03:52, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: On 12/28/2013 11:09 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: snipped I have a number of web servers updated from Squeeze to Wheezy several months ago - I've had no problems with authentication. Wheezy has 2.2 not 2.4 As packaged by Debian, yes, though someone (Florian?) 'was' going to backport it. AFAIK that hasn't happened - yet. It might be possible to install from Sid but I haven't tried. Installed from source easily on testing Wheezy boxes - Apache 2.4.1, MySQL Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.49, PHP 5.3.10 (and 5.4 and 5.5). Please expand on your authentication system and the problems plus error messages. +1 I suspect (hope?) the OP means mod_security when referring to authentication. I prefer other security solutions, plus it's a nightmare to test in dev environment as it doesn't travel/transfer well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf56e2.4010...@gmail.com
Re: Off-topic: Gmail Grrrr.
On Saturday 28 December 2013 11:56:37 Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 02:43:11PM +0400, Reco wrote: And storing banking information outside someone's head is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start ;) If you have a nasty accident and lose parts of your memory is a damn good reason, and that is just as a start! :) It is perfectly possible to lose all or part of one's memory without an accident. All it requires is old age and the wrong genes. It is fatal to keep no record anywhere other than in one's memory. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201312282349.22052.lisi.re...@gmail.com
how to re-install Windows?
I have wheezy and XP, with grub as boot manager now C: has bad sector and can't boot it seems I have to re-install XP grub will be gone after XP installation How can I re-install grub? BTW which command can create FAT32 partition and check bad sectors so that XP installation won't use them? Thanks!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab-gxzddyi0egba2tafdyumnkmd8o6kikjn_wmtmtpqqpnt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to re-install Windows?
On 29/12/13 10:50, Long Wind wrote: I have wheezy and XP, with grub as boot manager now C: has bad sector and can't boot it seems I have to re-install XP grub will be gone after XP installation How can I re-install grub? Use the Debian installation CD/DVD. Either choose Advanced... - Rescue *or* choose Help then type rescue at the cli before hitting Enter. At the partitioning section select the same partitions you previously installed to but *don't* change any settings for them (mount location, file system, or format). Next choose Install GRUB from the install menu. os-prober will detect the Windoof install and add it to GRUB. BTW which command can create FAT32 partition and check bad sectors so that XP installation won't use them? Thanks!!! fdisk, cfdisk or parted can create the partition badblocks can check the disk for bad sectors fsck.vfat can check the filesystem for bad clusters mkfs.vfat can create the filesystem see man command for more detail. NOTES:- ;Windoof insists on being the first partition, Debian doesn't care. ;I'd run the following before doing *anything*:- # smartctl -s on -S on /dev/$yourDrive if you get errors run:- # smartctl -d TYPE -i /dev/sda (TYPE is ata, scsi, or sat) if you had to use -d TYPE for the previous command use it in the following also:- # smartctl -H /dev/$yourDrive if you don't get the following do an immediate backup before filing the drive in the big round cabinet:- === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf6ca1.7000...@gmail.com
Re: startx + ~/.xsession and no ~/.xinitrc, results in reduced functionality (xfce4, sid)
On 2013-12-12 00:21:18 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: 2.1 xdm graphical login manager (or gdm, or kdm, or lightdm, or other) Runs /etc/X11/Xsession Redirects output to .xsession-errors [...] Not for gdm3 3.5.2+. $XDG_CACHE_HOME/gdm/session.log is now used, but this is currently a bit confidential. :) See: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691498 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729574 about the changes that need to be done in the documentation. -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131229003255.ga32...@xvii.vinc17.org
Re: Off-topic: Gmail Grrrr.
On Sat, December 28, 2013 3:49 pm, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 28 December 2013 11:56:37 Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 02:43:11PM +0400, Reco wrote: And storing banking information outside someone's head is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to start ;) If you have a nasty accident and lose parts of your memory is a damn good reason, and that is just as a start! :) It is perfectly possible to lose all or part of one's memory without an accident. All it requires is old age and the wrong genes. It is fatal to keep no record anywhere other than in one's memory. To be honest, I really can't remember that ever happening. Cheers! Weaver -- It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. -- Thomas Paine Registered Linux User: 554515 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f5636b2b0ca24c59852dc93a473ef5d5.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net
(solved) Re: how to re-install Windows?
Thank Scott Ferguson very much!! On 12/28/13, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 29/12/13 10:50, Long Wind wrote: I have wheezy and XP, with grub as boot manager now C: has bad sector and can't boot it seems I have to re-install XP grub will be gone after XP installation How can I re-install grub? Use the Debian installation CD/DVD. Either choose Advanced... - Rescue *or* choose Help then type rescue at the cli before hitting Enter. At the partitioning section select the same partitions you previously installed to but *don't* change any settings for them (mount location, file system, or format). Next choose Install GRUB from the install menu. os-prober will detect the Windoof install and add it to GRUB. BTW which command can create FAT32 partition and check bad sectors so that XP installation won't use them? Thanks!!! fdisk, cfdisk or parted can create the partition badblocks can check the disk for bad sectors fsck.vfat can check the filesystem for bad clusters mkfs.vfat can create the filesystem see man command for more detail. NOTES:- ;Windoof insists on being the first partition, Debian doesn't care. ;I'd run the following before doing *anything*:- # smartctl -s on -S on /dev/$yourDrive if you get errors run:- # smartctl -d TYPE -i /dev/sda (TYPE is ata, scsi, or sat) if you had to use -d TYPE for the previous command use it in the following also:- # smartctl -H /dev/$yourDrive if you don't get the following do an immediate backup before filing the drive in the big round cabinet:- === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf6ca1.7000...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab-gxzcrf77mxc9fksn7sbjy3ygb_by-6a8c9lziy9ohac_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Issues with gnome3 after upgrade to testing
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Fri, 2013-12-27 at 23:10 +1100, Daniel Dalton wrote: Upon resume though the virtual consoles seem to work fine, but gnome just locks up and I can do nothing with the desktop. As I'm blind and the screenreader stops working at this point I can not read if there is any error message on screen. Perhaps you could use a LiveCD with a screen reader or braille to take a look at ~/.xsession-errors and perhaps other log files too. Since IIUC GNOME does start, just locks up, I would take a look at ~/.xsession-errors first. Hi, Thanks for the reply. I can still access the console so inspecting ~/.xsession-errors was no problem. It seems there are no reported errors though unfortunately. Sometimes suspend works and sometimes it doesn't I'm finding, but still can't find a solution to the second problem. I might just do a full reinstall at some point since I've made so many modifications to this system it's hard to track these minor bugs down. Dan
Re: (solved) Re: how to re-install Windows?
On 29/12/13 11:50, Long Wind wrote: Thank Scott Ferguson very much!! No worries. With hindsight I should have emphasized check the disk with smartmon first. And you probably don't need to repartition (or recreate the fs) - just check with smartmon then (if smartmon doesn't declare imminent disaster) run badblocks followed by fsck.vfat. If you remember where you are patched up to with Windoof *and* you get a useful error message about the files affected by the damaged sectors you can probably use Debian to copy the correct files back (after you've finished re-writing the badblocks list) and save yourself a full-reinstall of Windoof. Don't use system files from the Windoof install CD without checking that they haven't been updated by one of the patches/updates. On 12/28/13, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 29/12/13 10:50, Long Wind wrote: I have wheezy and XP, with grub as boot manager now C: has bad sector and can't boot it seems I have to re-install XP grub will be gone after XP installation How can I re-install grub? snipped Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52bf738f.4030...@gmail.com
UTF-8 bugs (was: Deadline for jessie init system choice)
On 2013-12-14 14:46:03 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Pavel Volkov wrote: What's wrong with UTF-8 currently? fmt: incorrect formatting of UTF-8 text http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650381 tr: fails to replace umlauts http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388689 tr fails with UTF-8 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431231 _CTYPE with UTF-8 doesn't work correctly http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=139861 tr cannot handle unicode http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613155 uniq: merges obscure Cyrillic characters http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=649729 I am sure there is more. Here are a few other ones: * scp output alignment bug with UTF-8/multibyte sequences http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=407088 I've just reported it upstream. * xmessage ignores locale encoding http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505893 (and in particular it is wrong with UTF-8 locales) * xpp does not support UTF-8 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=630717 * xprop assumes that WM_ICON_NAME and WM_NAME are encoded in ISO-8859-1 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699746 -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131229012028.ga32...@xvii.vinc17.org
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2013 #1593
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 4:28 PM, debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 06:36:23 +1100 From: Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Upgraded apache 2.2 - 2.4 and cannot get passwords to work Message-ID: 52bf2837.2050...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 29/12/13 03:52, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: On 12/28/2013 11:09 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: My modest-sized web server was recently upgraded. There were problems with access control, fairly well documented and fairly easily fixed. Authentication, on the other hand, acts as if it's not there -- anyone and everyone is let into the few parts that used to be controlled. So I have them offline for now. I don't see any writeups of problems with this, so perhaps the way I solved access control borked the authentication. I have everything in /var/www and /www, and the authenticated parts are in /www, with a Directory stanza containing authentication info for each of the two (but apache is apparently ignoring them). I don't have /srv. Authentication is by a simple text file with less than 100 entries. Does anyone have a similar setup in apache 2.4 that works? Care to share how? What else is on it, and how was it setup? Plain Debian Wheezy, or Ubuntu-fied Debian? 1++ I have a number of web servers updated from Squeeze to Wheezy several months ago - I've had no problems with authentication. Multi-user/multi-site so I have nothing being served from /var/www (suexec). Please expand on your authentication system and the problems plus error messages. Kind regards There are about a dozen directories, I won't mention them all, but here's the general pattern. Consider these aliases #Alias /theory /www/theory Alias /hex /www/web Alias /Chocoholic /www/Chocoholic Alias /Games /www/Games (and more in a similar vein) The theory one is commented out for now because the authentication does not work: it's as if the authentication is not even mentioned and access goes smoothly for everyone. The uncommented ones do not have authentication, so they work as-is. /www contains the stuff where the problem is. It's enabled by this stanza: Directory /www AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Limit GET POST OPTIONS Require all granted /Limit LimitExcept GET POST OPTIONS Require all denied /LimitExcept /Directory It has a subdirectory where I share stuff with some collaborators, and where I want to authenticate those collaborators: Directory /www/theory AuthType Basic AuthName OHex Advanced AuthBasicProvider file AuthUserFile /etc/apache2/hextheory-passwords AuthGroupFile /dev/null Require valid-user AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Limit GET POST OPTIONS Require all granted /Limit LimitExcept GET POST OPTIONS Require all denied /LimitExcept /Directory So: what can I do to have authentication work again as it did in apache 2.4? -- Kevin O'Gorman programmer, n. an organism that transmutes caffeine into software. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGVXcSZ3X5_Q=fB7V5g4D309kvNfgAChyvOOsPpEWqWknZU=a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2013 #1593
On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: So: what can I do to have authentication work again as it did in apache 2.4? Hmm, that was poorly put. Let's try this: So: what can I do to have authentication work in apache 2.4 as it once did in apache 2.2? -- Kevin O'Gorman programmer, n. an organism that transmutes caffeine into software. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cagvxcsaudhmrf3tchphn_2gzrfat+3tamv3nsbu5tnndzs6...@mail.gmail.com
Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2013 #1593
On 29/12/13 14:10, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 4:28 PM, debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 06:36:23 +1100 From: Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Upgraded apache 2.2 - 2.4 and cannot get passwords to work Message-ID: 52bf2837.2050...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 29/12/13 03:52, Dave Woyciesjes wrote: On 12/28/2013 11:09 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: My modest-sized web server was recently upgraded. There were problems with access control, fairly well documented and fairly easily fixed. Authentication, on the other hand, acts as if it's not there -- anyone and everyone is let into the few parts that used to be controlled. So I have them offline for now. I don't see any writeups of problems with this, so perhaps the way I solved access control borked the authentication. I have everything in /var/www and /www, and the authenticated parts are in /www, with a Directory stanza containing authentication info for each of the two (but apache is apparently ignoring them). I don't have /srv. Authentication is by a simple text file with less than 100 entries. Handy because mod_auth_file usually dies before it'll process more than 100 users in a file (that's what the auth_db mods are for) snipped Please expand on your authentication system and the problems plus error messages. Your authentication scheme seems to be .htaccess, type=basic, provider=file, authorization=unknown Please post the output of:- $ dpkg --get-selections | grep _mod Kind regards There are about a dozen directories, I won't mention them all, but here's the general pattern. Consider these aliases #Alias /theory /www/theory Alias /hex /www/web Alias /Chocoholic /www/Chocoholic Alias /Games /www/Games (and more in a similar vein) The theory one is commented out for now because the authentication does not work: it's as if the authentication is not even mentioned and access goes smoothly for everyone. The uncommented ones do not have authentication, so they work as-is. /www contains the stuff where the problem is. It's enabled by this stanza: Directory /www AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Limit GET POST OPTIONS Require all granted /Limit LimitExcept GET POST OPTIONS Require all denied /LimitExcept /Directory It has a subdirectory where I share stuff with some collaborators, and where I want to authenticate those collaborators: Directory /www/theory AuthType Basic NOTE: Basic sends passwds *un*encrypted. I'm assuming you have mod_ssl installed and configured. mod_digest doesn't have that problem. basic also dies a slow death if fed more than a hundred or so users in a file. Check that you have the following installed and enabled:- mod_auth_basic mod_authn_file an authorization module (i.e. mod_authnz_ldap or mod_authz_$something) AuthName OHex Advanced AuthBasicProvider file AuthUserFile /etc/apache2/hextheory-passwords I'm guessing the path and permissions are correct for the users file. Check the format is correct. Each line has:- $username; $encrypted password. NOTES:- ;mod_authn_file will use the first instance of a given username's password (this prevents realm insanity) ;use htpasswd to encrypt the passwords if you are *not* using mod_auth_basic, if you are using mod_auth_digest instead you'll need to reflect it in authentication and use htdigest to encrypt the passwords instead. (I've not tried to use both). ;AuthUserFile is overridden by AuthConfig AuthGroupFile /dev/null Huh? I thought anyone in the groupfile had to also be in the password file or auth would fail. With nothing in the group file. :/ You'll also need mod_authz_groupfile installed and enabled. Require valid-user This line makes the preceding line redundant. If you are *not* using groups I'd suggest you comment out AuthGroupFile AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Indexes Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec Limit GET POST OPTIONS Require all granted The above lines stop POST but allow everything else ( GET, POST, PUT, DELETE, CONNECT, PATCH, PROPFIND, PROPPATCH, MKCOL, COPY, MOVE, LOCK, and UNLOCK). Is that what you wanted? /Limit LimitExcept GET POST OPTIONS Require all denied I suspect that directive won't work /LimitExcept /Directory So: what can I do to have authentication work again as it did in apache 2.4? Hmm, that was poorly put. Let's try this: So: what can I do to have authentication work in apache 2.4 as it once did in apache 2.2? /var/log/apache2/error.log could be helpful - you should have got some errors when you were trying to use .htaccess authentication,
Re: Python dependency vraagje
On 12/28/2013 07:49 AM, Geert Stappers wrote:
Hoi,
Kort: standaard gedrag. Debian policy wordt netjes gevolgd.
(...)
De strings '${misc:Depends}' en '${python:Depends}' worden tijdens build
omgezet naar de versies van het buildsysteem.
Dank voor de uitleg, weer wat geleerd!
groet,
Winfried
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Re: Python dependency vraagje
Hoi allen,
On 28-12-13 07:49, Geert Stappers wrote:
De strings '${misc:Depends}' en '${python:Depends}' worden tijdens build
omgezet naar de versies van het buildsysteem. Dat buildsysteem moet de
allemaal de versies van de upcoming release hebben. Daar zal vast
wel een nieuwe glibc en nieuwe Python bijzitten.
Om even volledig te zijn. Debian heeft een ingenieus systeem om dit niet
te strikt te laten verlopen. Dus voor bibliotheken (b.v. glibc) wordt
gecontroleerd welke versie van de bibliotheek uit het verleden nog goed
genoeg is voor de huidige build. Als er dus een hogere afhankelijkheid
uit rolt dan geschikt voor stable, dan is inderdaad herbouwen vaak een
goede oplossing. Soms echter geeft het aan dat die afhankelijkheid echt
nodig is. Voor Python weet ik niet hoe het werkt, mogelijk een
vergelijkbaar mechanisme, maar misschien ook meer zoals Geert beschreef:
de versie tijdens het bouwen.
Paul
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