date:20140511

On 11/05/14 16:53, Bret Busby wrote:
 Hello.
 
 I have this weekend, managed to install Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce version
 onto a laptop computer.
 
 However, the sound does not work.


Ouch. But easily fixed.

 
 In searching, I have found that the laptop apparently has a Realtek
 soundcard (and, an inbuilt Intel something soundcard thing).

That covers a wide range of devices. Could you be more specific please?
e.g. the output of:-
$ lspci | grep audio


 
 With Debian having eliminated non-free stuff from the official release
 packages, I realize that, somewhere (it is not easy to find

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

, from the
 Debian web site), firmware ISO's are available, that can install
 non-free hardware drivers.
 
 I am therefore wondering whether, somewhere, packages exist (.deb
 packages, that make installation relatively easy for those of us not
 skilled in the black arts), for the hardware drivers that may be on
 the firmware ISO's.


By installation do you mean drivers available *during*
installation??  For the purposes of making available during installation?

https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware

(I have some small scripts I use to customise netinstall images if you
want, they extract the installer image, allow you to add a preseed.cfg
and firmware, then rebuild the iso for you).


If you mean *after* installing Debian, then yes.
firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-linux-free are the main packages.
$ apt-cache search firmware # for lots more

 
 I do not know whether the firmware ISO's allow a user to choose which
 desktop environment is installed,

Yes. They are identical to the normal install CDs, they just include
firmware.


 and the procedure that I found, for
 dealing with the .tar.bz files from the Realtek web site, seem too
 complicated.

Do you have a link for that?

 
 Thank you in anticipation, for constructive assistance.
 
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 West Australia
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Kind regards


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Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards

2014-05-11 Thread Georgi Naplatanov

On 05/11/2014 09:53 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
 Hello.
 
 I have this weekend, managed to install Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce version
 onto a laptop computer.
 
 However, the sound does not work.
 
 In searching, I have found that the laptop apparently has a Realtek
 soundcard (and, an inbuilt Intel something soundcard thing).
 
 With Debian having eliminated non-free stuff from the official release
 packages, I realize that, somewhere (it is not easy to find, from the
 Debian web site), firmware ISO's are available, that can install
 non-free hardware drivers.
 
 I am therefore wondering whether, somewhere, packages exist (.deb
 packages, that make installation relatively easy for those of us not
 skilled in the black arts), for the hardware drivers that may be on
 the firmware ISO's.

You can search for packages what contains word firmware e.g.
linux-firmware. As far as I know there is not firmware package for
Realtek sound cards. Maybe you have to execute the following command as
root:

# alsactl init

sometimes it helps.

 I do not know whether the firmware ISO's allow a user to choose which
 desktop environment is installed, and the procedure that I found, for
 dealing with the .tar.bz files from the Realtek web site, seem too
 complicated.
 
 Thank you in anticipation, for constructive assistance.
 
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 West Australia
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  you'll know what the answer means.
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Best regards
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Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv

2014-05-11 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2014-05-10 23:49 +0200, Jape Person wrote:

 In various logs on these systems I see an indication that touch
 /forcefsck doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that
 adding

 fsck.mode=force

 to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to
 run at boot time.

It is true that fsck.mode=force is the recommended way, but the methods
used by the checkfs.sh initscript are still supported despite the
warning systemd-fsck prints when you use them.

 However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system
 after altering the boot process, there is still no output from the
 operation written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the
 rhubarb I've noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the
 boot process when using systemd.

Those messages end up in the journal.  The initscript captures them with
logsave(8) which is a kludge to work around the problem that syslog is
not yet available when it runs.

 This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing
 this slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical
 machines.

 Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file
 system check on the boot drive when using systemd?

Something like journalctl -b | grep systemd-fsck.  I haven't figured
out how to get journalctl -u to work here.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy

2014-05-11 Thread Артур Истомин

On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:29:55AM +, Martin T wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like
 to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first
 step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal
 components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact
 components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to
 run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else?
 Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that
 practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will
 handle all the dependencies needed?

apt-get  --no-install-recommends install xserver-xorg-video-intel
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg xinit libgl1-mesa-dri

xserver-xorg-video-intel - change to appropriate driver for you machine
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics - perhaps does not need, if it is not laptop
bgl1-mesa-dri - for 3D, optional

See dmesg(1) for above first two points.

Also, perhaps you need install xterm. I don't remember exactly, it is
default terminal emulator for me.

For errors, if X does not started, see ~/.xsession-errors and
/var/log/Xorg.0.log


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you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

When copying and pasting some text from a text document into emacs, it starts
out as -
╭
│Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but you don't know if you don't 
ask.
╰
 
but appears as -
╭
│Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but you don\u2019t know if you 
don\u2019t ask
╰

As I've experimented, I've found that if I copy from a pdf in evince this is 
the original text
╭
│Injection = £ 23.69 (US $ 44.53)
╰

Which when pasted gives
╭
│Injection = \u2194 23.69 (US \u2729 44.53)
╰

So when it can't read something, it gives it its numeric coding.

The font being used is DejaVu Sans Mono which is emacs
default. So what font can render those symbols correctly from the
clipboard and is the same size as the present font? I've tried
Ubuntu and also Times New Roman but both failed the test. And I
can't find anything about it in google either.

But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts
happening in some other programme please? 

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Re: Default supported service manager in Wheezy

2014-05-11 Thread Tom H

On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
On 2014-05-10 22:40 +0200, Tom H wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby
mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org wrote:

A long time ago, when I was young ;-), services used to be managed with
invoke-rc.d update-rc.d on Debian.

I've never understood why, but invoke-rc.d and update-rc.d are
meant for maintainer scripts not users.

This is true for invoke-rc.d, but not for update-rc.d. It is perfectly
fine for the sysadmin to call update-rc.d disable|enable foo, but not
update-rc.d remove foo.

Didn't I say in my post: There's an RFE for it to include a wrapper
around update-rc.d enable|disable?

Know playing with several distributions, some use service, sysctl,
systemctl, and some of them are mentionned for managing services in
Debian.

service is a wrapper around invoke-rc.d.

Really? If I take a look at /sbin/service, it does not call invoke-rc.d.

systemctl is systemd's service manager but it handles sysvinit init
scripts when they don't have a systemd equivalent, AFAIK by handing
over to update-rc.d/invoke-rc.d.

It's the other way around, invoke-rc.d calls systemctl for various
actions if it detects that systemd is PID 1.

It was a long day and was too tired to think clearly.

service doesn't call invoke-rc.d (or update-rc.d for that matter, at
least not yet).

systemctl doesn't call invoke-rc.d/update-rc.d for sysvinit scripts.
(I assume that it handles them directly in the same way that it
handles them in other distros.)

And service/invoke-rc.d/update-rc.d hand over to systemctl when called
for systemd services.

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Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote:
 When copying and pasting some text from a text document into
 emacs, it starts out as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are
 not cancerous, but you don't know if you don't ask. ╰
 
 but appears as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are not 
 cancerous, but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask ╰
 
 As I've experimented, I've found that if I copy from a pdf in 
 evince this is the original text ╭ │Injection = £ 23.69 (US
 $ 44.53) ╰
 
 Which when pasted gives ╭ │Injection = \u2194 23.69 (US \u2729 
 44.53) ╰
 
 So when it can't read something, it gives it its numeric coding.
 
 The font being used is DejaVu Sans Mono which is emacs default. 
 So what font can render those symbols correctly from the clipboard 
 and is the same size as the present font? I've tried Ubuntu and 
 also Times New Roman but both failed the test. And I can't find 
 anything about it in google either.
 
 But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts 
 happening in some other programme please?
 
 Sharon.
 

Try enabling utf  (it's the in thing).


Kind regards

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Can't boot after harddrive replacement

2014-05-11 Thread Itay

Hi



Old disk was 300GB and failing.  New is 1TB.

I replaced the old harddrive and made few steps to copy the system back
to the new drive (see below).

Obviously I missed something as the system does not boot.  BIOS comes
up alright.



I'd appreciate any help in identifying what needs to be done.

My hope is to avoid reinstalling and reconfiguring the system
altogether.



I guess that I overlooked something with the boot files, but what and
how to remedy this?



Summary of steps



1. Using rsync -aHq I backed up most of the file system (excluding
/proc, /sys, /run, /srv, and /tmp)



2. After replacing the harddrive, I used the live cd, to manually set
up the partition table with the same logical structure as the old one:



/dev/sda1 : boot (ext2).  Boot flag was set 'on'.

/dev/sda2 : root (ext3)

/dev/sda3 : swap

/dev/sda5 - /dev/sda9 : physical volumes making up a single volume
group. (name: vg).



I prepared separate logical volumes (in vg) to store the would-be
/usr, /usr/local, /home, /tmp, and /var trees, and several other
private file-trees.



3. Using the backup and rsync I populated the would be file-trees
/boot, /, /usr, /usr/local, and /home.



4. Reboot, eject live cd: BIOS comes up, but nothing follows.



Thanks in advance,

Itay

Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards

On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:53:06 +0800 (WST)
Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote:


 
 I am therefore wondering whether, somewhere, packages exist (.deb 
 packages, that make installation relatively easy for those of us not 
 skilled in the black arts), for the hardware drivers that may be on 
 the firmware ISO's.

Firmware is not the same as driver. Firmware is code that needs the be
present in the hardware device itself. Sometimes this firmware is build
to the device and sometimes the driver needs to load the firmware into
the device each time.

The driver on the other is part of the kernel.

So, the fact that sound doesn't work can be because of a missing driver
instead of missing firmware. If this is new hardware, there is a chance
that the kernel in the stable release doesn't have a driver for your
soundcard.

You can try to upgrade your kernel to a more recent versions from
backports (see backports.debian.org).

If it still doesn't work, check 

$ lsusb | grep -i audio

to get more details on what sound card is installed. Then you can do a
targeted search for that card.


 
 I do not know whether the firmware ISO's allow a user to choose which 
 desktop environment is installed, 


You don't need the sound during the installation, so there is no need
to use the firmware iso just for that. If it was your network card that
wasn't working, it's another matter, as it's hard to do a netinstall
without net :), which is why there is a netinstall iso with firmware.


 and the procedure that I found, for 
 dealing with the .tar.bz files from the Realtek web site, seem too 
 complicated.
 

That's almost never needed. In Linux, the drivers are integrated in the
kernel. You can never just install a binary driver from a separate site
like you do on windows. If there is a separate driver, it will be a
source patch which has to be recompiled specifically for the kernel you
are running.

So, in short, just try if a more recent kernel fixes it first.


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Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

2014-05-11 Thread Chris Bannister

On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 06:36:34PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote:
  But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts 
  happening in some other programme please?
 
 Try enabling utf  (it's the in thing).

IOW, what is the output of the 'locale' command?
If there is no UTF component in the string, e.g. en_NZ.UTF-8 then issue
'dpkg-reconfigure locales' as root, and choose the UTF variant.

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Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found


List good morning,

I do regret asking such a basic question about cron, but I cannot seem 
to get rid of what I think is a mis-configured entry, somewhere.


We have a server running Lenny (still), its role is solely to provide 
a network file system.  Every 17 mins past the hour, root is sending 
an email with this title:


Cron root@server4 root cd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly

and content:

/bin/sh: root: command not found

In /etc/cron.d there are only files for anacron and mdadm; neither of 
these have entries for every 17 mins past the hour.


In /etc/cron.hourly there is only an empty .placeholder file.

I've tried commenting out relevant entries in /etc/crontab, but 
without effect.  /etc/crontab contains:


# was executing 'root' so commented out; still error messages
# 17 *  * * * cd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly

and, as a last resort a couple of days ago:

# disabled because of multiple error messages in email but no effect
# 17 *  * * *   rootcd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly

Hourly email messages still occur.  I would guess this second crontab 
entry was - in practice - ok, and perhaps I should re-enable it for 
system purposes, anyway.


I checked /etc/anacrontab in case it could be involved, it seems not 
to contain any cron.hourly entries, nor entries at the relevant time:


SHELL=/bin/sh
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin

# These replace cron's entries
1   5   cron.daily   nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
7   10  cron.weekly  nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly
@monthly15  cron.monthly nice run-parts --report 
/etc/cron.monthly



I'm missing some aspect of cron configuration, or perhaps some other 
cron file somewhere.  root doesn't have a /home directory, so there 
isn't a crontab in it, and the only user existing on the system 
doesn't have a crontab in its home directory, either.


I enjoy mysteries.  This one is beginning to frustrate, though.  I've 
misunderstood something about cron, but what is it?


regards, Ron


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Re: Problems getting Debian DVD to work (Re: Confusion)

On Vi, 09 mai 14, 19:50:18, Steve Litt wrote:
 
  I think John is asking whether Josh burned the ISO file onto the DVD 
  rather than (correctly) the DVD image contained in the ISO file.
 
 Thanks Testosticore,
 
 At this point, I think we should all forget I asked that question,
 because neither your explanation nor Joel Rees' explanation caused me
 to understand this distinction, and yet:
 
 1) It seems like everyone else understands it
 
 2) In spite of my complete unknowledge of the difference between these
two words, I can convert an iso or a udf to an optical disc, and I
can convert an optical disc to an iso or udf (as appropriate), so my
mental block isn't hurting me.

Let me try to explain it:

- if you do it right, when mounting the disk you will see a bunch of 
  files and/or directories (assuming a Debian .iso)
- if you do it wrong, when mounting the disk you will see just an .iso 
  file

Hope this explains,
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Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy

On Sun 11 May 2014 at 00:29:55 +, Martin T wrote:

 I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like
 to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first
 step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal
 components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact
 components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to
 run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else?
 Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that
 practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will
 handle all the dependencies needed?

If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it:

xinit
xserver-org
xserver-xorg-input-kbd
xserver-xorg-input-mouse

xserver-xorg-video-radeon
xserver-xorg-video-ati

I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have
different video packages. 


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Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Erwan David

Le 10/05/2014 21:49, Cameron Norman a écrit :
 Greetings John,

 El Sat, 10 de May 2014 a las 9:05 AM, John johnrchamp...@wowway.com
 escribió:
 After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on
 debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering
 attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them.
 Accordingly, I'd like to keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the
 extent practical until things have had quite a while to shake out. Is
 it sufficient to install systemd-shim and add one or all of these
 stanzas to /etc/apt/preferences? If just one, which?

 Package: systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100

 The systemd package includes a ton of software, including what I think
 is four daemons that are necessary for a modern Linux desktop
 (timedated, hostnamed, localed, and (most importantly) logind). You
 will need to install this package usually.

Could you explain in what they are necessary ? I have none of them, in
what is my linux not modern ? And why should we be modern ?

 Package: systemd-sysv Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100

 This is probably the only thing you are going to need if you want to
 make sure you do not run systemd as pid 1. (Unless your friend changes
 your grub command line :). If you have systemd-shim installed, then
 this pin should never have to take effect, but if somebody decides
 that systemd-shim is not a suitable replacement for systemd-sysv with
 regards to their package's needs, then the update of that person's
 package will be held back until you manually interven

I have none of them it works. However how could I be sure that my
disabled services will stay as is (but I am still able to start them
manually), same thing for my policy-rc.d script, what will happen of it.



 Package: libpam-systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100

 I think this is a dependency of poke it polkit. I am not sure why, but
 I assume there is good reason for it. Anyway, you are probably going
 to need it. If you have systemd-shim installed, then libpam-systemd
 will do fine w/o systemd as PID 1.

 Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames.

 I hope I was able to help. Please do not assume bad faith by the
 systemd maintainers + proponents, though; that is toxic.



I just say I do not see any advantages in systemd, but that it will
breaks many working configuration (last I heard of : systemld won't work
with a standard fstab if you use nfs you must use systemd specific
options : for me it is a serious bug (breaks other packages).


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Re: Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found

2014-05-11 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Am Sonntag, 11. Mai 2014, 10:37:31 schrieb Ron Leach:
 List good morning,

Hi Ron,

 I do regret asking such a basic question about cron, but I cannot seem
 to get rid of what I think is a mis-configured entry, somewhere.
 
 We have a server running Lenny (still), its role is solely to provide
 a network file system.  Every 17 mins past the hour, root is sending
 an email with this title:
 
 Cron root@server4 root cd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly
 
 and content:
 
 /bin/sh: root: command not found

This means that a cron job tries to run the command root which does not 
exist.

 In /etc/cron.d there are only files for anacron and mdadm; neither of
 these have entries for every 17 mins past the hour.
 
 In /etc/cron.hourly there is only an empty .placeholder file.
 
 I've tried commenting out relevant entries in /etc/crontab, but
 without effect.  /etc/crontab contains:
 
 # was executing 'root' so commented out; still error messages
 # 17 *  * * * cd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly
 
 and, as a last resort a couple of days ago:
 
 # disabled because of multiple error messages in email but no effect
 # 17 *  * * *   rootcd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly

Look into

- /etc/cron.d
- crontab -l

It would not make much sense, but maybe someone added a call to 
/etc/cron.hourly there.

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Re: Confusion

On Sat 10 May 2014 at 18:03:35 -0700, Joshua Anthony wrote:

 For those who didn't notice, I downloaded the file twice, making two
 CD's from the first download and one from the second - just in case
 anything was corrupted. All the CD's can be opened and their contents
 displayed - and all files in readable form can be read.

Nobody missed seeing this. But what might have been appreciated was some
response from you to the 20+ suggestions given in the other thread you
started ; it would have allowed things to move on. Instead of which we
get a portion of your life story. :)

We still do not know at what stage the install failed and what came up
on the screen at the time. The advice to boot from a USB stick is also
good. Tried it?


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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

2014-05-11 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich

Hi Itay,

maybe it is  a problem with the UUID. Just check on the new harddrive the file 
/etc/fstab, if there is an UUID set for the harddrive.

If so, comment it out and set just an entry with /dev/sda1 (or whatever) fpor 
the required. Here is an example:

# /dev/sda7  /   ext3errors=remount-ro 0   1
UUID=da2bbacb-1b05-461e-8b72-9eef666b9bf6/   ext4
discard,noatime,errors=remount-ro 0   1

In this case, I commented the line beginning with # /dev/sda7 
out and the new active one is the line beginning with 
UUID=da2bbacb...

For your needs, you should mount the partition with /etc/fstab on by using a 
live-file system like Knoppix, TRK, Debian-Live-file or similar and then edit 
/etc/fstab.

Comment ALL lines beginning with UUID= and add the physical partition like in 
my example beginning with /dev/sdaX whatever. 

Then you should be able to reboot.

I guess, you already have a bootloader installed, mostly grub or grub2. If 
not, Debian installer DVD may help, or use my favourite choice Super-Grub-
Disk-2.

Hope, this helps. Good luck!

Best regards

Hans


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Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy

On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:43:14, Brian wrote:
 On Sun 11 May 2014 at 00:29:55 +, Martin T wrote:
 
  I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like
  to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first
  step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal
  components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact
  components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to
  run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else?
  Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that
  practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will
  handle all the dependencies needed?
 
 If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it:
 
 xinit
 xserver-org

Yes.

 xserver-xorg-input-kbd
 xserver-xorg-input-mouse

These two have been replaced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev
 
 xserver-xorg-video-radeon
 xserver-xorg-video-ati
 
 I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have
 different video packages. 

Last time I did this I also needed an xfonts- package, like xfonts-base, 
but since it is a Recommends: of xserver-common I will probably be 
pulled in if one doesn't disable them.

Kind regards,
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Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy

2014-05-11 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2014-05-11 11:43 +0200, Brian wrote:

 On Sun 11 May 2014 at 00:29:55 +, Martin T wrote:

 I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like
 to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first
 step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal
 components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact
 components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to
 run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else?
 Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that
 practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will
 handle all the dependencies needed?

 If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it:

 xinit
 xserver-org
 xserver-xorg-input-kbd
 xserver-xorg-input-mouse

Those are obsoleted by xserver-xorg-input-evdev.

 xserver-xorg-video-radeon
 xserver-xorg-video-ati

 I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have
 different video packages. 

I would also install the -vesa and -fbdev packages in case there are
problems with the native driver.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

2014-05-11 Thread Itay


On Sun, May 11, 2014, at 01:03 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
 Hi Itay,
 
 maybe it is  a problem with the UUID. Just check on the new harddrive the
 file 
 /etc/fstab, if there is an UUID set for the harddrive.

[snip]

 Comment ALL lines beginning with UUID= and add the physical partition
 like in 
 my example beginning with /dev/sdaX whatever. 
 
 Then you should be able to reboot.

H... I neglected to mention in the list of actions taken that I did
edit the would-be /etc/fstab -- exactly as you recommended.
I was able to mount the new file systems (this was required for file
copying).
I will double check /etc/fstab just in case.

 I guess, you already have a bootloader installed, mostly grub or grub2.
 If 
 not, Debian installer DVD may help, or use my favourite choice
 Super-Grub-
 Disk-2.
 

Indeed I had grub2 installed.
Given that I repopulated the new disk manually, by a series of rsync
commands, I suspect that I failed copying some of the critical boot
data.  But how to identify that?

Many thanks,
Itay


 Hope, this helps. Good luck!
 
 Best regards
 
 Hans
 
 
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Re: Confusion

2014-05-11 Thread Paul Lewis

On 11/05/14 11:01:30, Brian wrote:

 it would have allowed things to move on. Instead of which 
 we get a portion of your life story. :)
 
 We still do not know at what stage the install failed and what came 
 up on the screen at the time. The advice to boot from a USB stick 
 is also good. Tried it?
 

It's not even clear to me that Joshua Anthony janf...@yahoo.com.au is 
the same person as j...@thefamousjoneses.com the email address of the 
original post. shrug

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Re: Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found

On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:37:31, Ron Leach wrote:
 
 I checked /etc/anacrontab in case it could be involved, it seems not to
 contain any cron.hourly entries, nor entries at the relevant time:
 
 SHELL=/bin/sh
 PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
 
 # These replace cron's entries
 1   5   cron.daily   nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
 7   10  cron.weekly  nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly
 @monthly15  cron.monthly nice run-parts --report
 /etc/cron.monthly

To make things simpler I would purge anacron, especially if this is a 
server that is (mostly) on.

 I'm missing some aspect of cron configuration, or perhaps some other 
 cron
 file somewhere.  root doesn't have a /home directory, so there isn't a
 crontab in it, and the only user existing on the system doesn't have a
 crontab in its home directory, either.

crontabs are *not* stored in home, but in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/

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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

2014-05-11 Thread Joel Rees

On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Itay deb...@itayf.fastmail.fm wrote:

On Sun, May 11, 2014, at 01:03 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Hi Itay,

maybe it is a problem with the UUID. Just check on the new harddrive the
file
/etc/fstab, if there is an UUID set for the harddrive.

[snip]

Comment ALL lines beginning with UUID= and add the physical partition
like in
my example beginning with /dev/sdaX whatever.

Then you should be able to reboot.

H... I neglected to mention in the list of actions taken that I did
edit the would-be /etc/fstab -- exactly as you recommended.
I was able to mount the new file systems (this was required for file
copying).
I will double check /etc/fstab just in case.

I guess, you already have a bootloader installed, mostly grub or grub2.
If
not, Debian installer DVD may help, or use my favourite choice
Super-Grub-
Disk-2.

Indeed I had grub2 installed.
Given that I repopulated the new disk manually, by a series of rsync
commands, I suspect that I failed copying some of the critical boot
data. But how to identify that?

This seems like a kind of obvious question, but can you still mount
the old drive to run recursive diffs? start with /boot and /etc, for
instance.

Another thing you need to check is whether rsync successfully
replicated the metadata appropriately. Some essential servers will
refuse to run if the permissions are too loose or the owner:group is
incorrect.

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Re: Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found

On Sun, 11 May 2014 10:37:31 +0100
Ron Leach ronle...@tesco.net wrote:

 I'm missing some aspect of cron configuration, or perhaps some other 
 cron file somewhere.  root doesn't have a /home directory, so there 
 isn't a crontab in it, and the only user existing on the system 
 doesn't have a crontab in its home directory, either.
 

Look in /var/spool/cron/crontabs. That is the location of the per-user
crontabs.

If someone copied the line 

17 *  * * * rootcd /  run-parts--report /etc/cron.hourly

in there, you would get the error you mentioned, because root will be
interpretet as the command to run, because these crontabs have a
different format.


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Re: Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found


On 11/05/2014 10:48, Martin Steigerwald wrote:


Look into

- /etc/cron.d
- crontab -l

It would not make much sense, but maybe someone added a call to
/etc/cron.hourly there.



server4:/# crontab -l
# /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab
# Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab'
# command to install the new version when you edit this file
# and files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields,
# that none of the other crontabs do.

SHELL=/bin/sh
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin

# m h dom mon dow user  command
17 ** * *   rootcd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly
25 6* * *   roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd /  
run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
47 6* * 7   roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd /  
run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly )
52 61 * *   roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd /  
run-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly )

#
# 24 10 * * * ron rdiff-backup --print-statistics -v3 /nfs 
ron@server5::/sata1tb/backup/filestorebak
# 24 13 * * * ron rdiff-backup --print-statistics -v3 /nfs 
ron@server5::/sata1tb/backup/filestorebak
# 24 16 * * * ron rdiff-backup --print-statistics -v3 /nfs 
ron@server5::/sata1tb/backup/filestorebak
# 24 19 * * * ron rdiff-backup --print-statistics -v3 /nfs 
ron@server5::/sata1tb/backup/filestorebak

#
#

How very odd.
That isn't the content of /etc/crontab .
That's the content of a much earlier cron arrangement we had before we 
reconfigured some of the servers, a couple of years ago.  It also does 
not contain our existing nfs backup cronjob (which regularly runs 
happily and sends a confirming email).  So this output of crontab -l 
is *not* /etc/crontab.  *Neither* is it reporting all the current cron 
jobs that run.


/etc/cron.d only contains anacron and mdadm; the anacron entry is for 
07:30 every day (so not causing our hourly problem) and mdadm is a 
monthly check.


Grateful for the tip, Martin.

EDIT: I see from Andrei's and Filip's replies that this report may be 
picking up root's crontab from /var/spool/cron/crontabs .


Ron


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Re: Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found


On 11/05/2014 11:43, Filip wrote:

On Sun, 11 May 2014 10:37:31 +0100
Ron Leachronle...@tesco.net  wrote:


I'm missing some aspect of cron configuration, or perhaps some other
cron file somewhere.  root doesn't have a /home directory, so there
isn't a crontab in it, and the only user existing on the system
doesn't have a crontab in its home directory, either.



Look in /var/spool/cron/crontabs. That is the location of the per-user
crontabs.

If someone copied the line

17 *  * * * rootcd /  run-parts--report /etc/cron.hourly

in there, you would get the error you mentioned, because root will be
interpretet as the command to run, because these crontabs have a
different format.




First, thank you and Andrei for removing the 'mystery' of where the 
other crontabs are; relieved, thank you both.


/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root indeed contains exactly the error you 
mention:


# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
# (/tmp/crontab.jE2KHC/crontab installed on Fri Dec 31 08:54:50 2010)
# (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $)
# /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab
# Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab'
# command to install the new version when you edit this file
# and files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields,
# that none of the other crontabs do.

SHELL=/bin/sh
PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin

# m h dom mon dow user  command
17 ** * *   rootcd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly

Filip, the comment suggests that I shouldn't edit this file here.  Do 
you have any idea where, or what, its 'master' version might be?  When 
we first built the server, we used webmin to obtain some visibility of 
system administration things, and we did use webmin's cron management 
facility.  We long ceased doing so, the current regular backups are 
written directly into /etc/crontab, for example.  But I mention webmin 
in case it might have placed that warning in this file.  If so, then 
I'm happy changing root's crontab here because we don't use webmin any 
more, anyway, and it won't change this file.  But, if this file is 
managed from somewhere else, changing the file here would probably be 
the wrong thing to do.


regards, Ron


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Re: Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found

On Du, 11 mai 14, 11:53:30, Ron Leach wrote:
 
 server4:/# crontab -l
 # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab

I seriously doubt that.

[...]

 How very odd.
 That isn't the content of /etc/crontab .

Since it seems like you executed 'crontab -l' as root is seems like it 
is the crontab of the 'root' user.

 EDIT: I see from Andrei's and Filip's replies that this report may be
 picking up root's crontab from /var/spool/cron/crontabs .

Looks like it. You could (as root):

crontab -l  root_crontab
crontab -r

and see if you still get the error. Later you can diff the root_crontab 
file with /etc/crontab and see if there's anything useful in there to 
migrate to the real system-wide crontab.

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Re: Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found

On Sun, 11 May 2014 12:07:47 +0100
Ron Leach ronle...@tesco.net wrote:
 
 Filip, the comment suggests that I shouldn't edit this file here.  Do 
 you have any idea where, or what, its 'master' version might be?

The correct way to edit the per-user crontabs it with 

# crontab -u user -e


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Re: Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found

2014-05-11 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Am Sonntag, 11. Mai 2014, 11:53:30 schrieb Ron Leach:
 On 11/05/2014 10:48, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
  Look into
  
  - /etc/cron.d
  - crontab -l
  
  It would not make much sense, but maybe someone added a call to
  /etc/cron.hourly there.
 
 server4:/# crontab -l
 # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab
 # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab'
 # command to install the new version when you edit this file
 # and files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields,
 # that none of the other crontabs do.
 
 SHELL=/bin/sh
 PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
 
 # m h dom mon dow user  command
 17 ** * *   rootcd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly

Gotcha.

 How very odd.
 That isn't the content of /etc/crontab .

No, but of

 EDIT: I see from Andrei's and Filip's replies that this report may be
 picking up root's crontab from /var/spool/cron/crontabs .

as crontab -l displays :)

crontab is for editing, listing, removing user crontabs, including the user 
crontab of the root user.

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Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com writes:

 On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote:
 When copying and pasting some text from a text document into
 emacs, it starts out as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are
 not cancerous, but you don't know if you don't ask. ╰
 
 but appears as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are not 
 cancerous, but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask ╰
 
 As I've experimented, I've found that if I copy from a pdf in 
 evince this is the original text ╭ │Injection = £ 23.69 (US
 $ 44.53) ╰
 
 Which when pasted gives ╭ │Injection = \u2194 23.69 (US \u2729 
 44.53) ╰
 
 So when it can't read something, it gives it its numeric coding.
 
 The font being used is DejaVu Sans Mono which is emacs default. 
 So what font can render those symbols correctly from the clipboard 
 and is the same size as the present font? I've tried Ubuntu and 
 also Times New Roman but both failed the test. And I can't find 
 anything about it in google either.
 
 But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts 
 happening in some other programme please?
 
 Sharon.
 

 Try enabling utf  (it's the in thing).

Already done that.

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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

2014-05-11 Thread Itay Furman

On Sun, May 11, 2014, at 01:39 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Itay deb...@itayf.fastmail.fm wrote:

[snip]

Indeed I had grub2 installed.
Given that I repopulated the new disk manually, by a series of rsync
commands, I suspect that I failed copying some of the critical boot
data. But how to identify that?

This seems like a kind of obvious question, but can you still mount
the old drive to run recursive diffs? start with /boot and /etc, for
instance.

Hi,

It's a small form factor computer so I can install only one hard drive
at a time. The diff would have to be done in two steps: old vs. backup,
and then backup vs. new hdd. So it will take time until I have results.

IIRC diff should be able to report on differences in file meta data.
Please note that it's a home desktop: no special services are running; I
did not impose (knowingly) any security steps beyond the defaults
provided during installation.
(Unfortunately I am far from being experienced system-administrator -- I
am merely a user who likes using debian at home...)

Many thanks,
Itay

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Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:

 On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 06:36:34PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote:
  But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts 
  happening in some other programme please?
 
 Try enabling utf  (it's the in thing).

 IOW, what is the output of the 'locale' command?
 If there is no UTF component in the string, e.g. en_NZ.UTF-8 then issue
 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' as root, and choose the UTF variant.
--8---cut here---start-8---
locale
LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_NAME=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB.UTF-8
--8---cut here---end---8---

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Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

On Sun, 11 May 2014 12:23:19 +0100
Sharon Kimble boudic...@skimble.plus.com wrote:

 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:
 
 --8---cut here---start-8---
 locale
 LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
 LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
 LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_COLLATE=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_MONETARY=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_PAPER=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_NAME=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_ADDRESS=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB.UTF-8
 --8---cut here---end---8---
 
 Sharon.

And 'locale -a' also shows en_GB.UTF-8 ?

Does the problem only occur when you paste into emacs ?
Is there something special in your .emacs file ? Try starting emacs
without init file ('emacs -q').


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Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy

On Sun 11 May 2014 at 13:14:28 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:43:14, Brian wrote:
 
  xserver-xorg-input-kbd
  xserver-xorg-input-mouse
 
 These two have been replaced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev

Thanks. I did have -evdev because it is a Depends: of xserver-xorg. -kbd
and -mouse are now purged, which gives me about 300K of disk space back.

  xserver-xorg-video-radeon
  xserver-xorg-video-ati
  
  I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have
  different video packages. 
 
 Last time I did this I also needed an xfonts- package, like xfonts-base, 
 but since it is a Recommends: of xserver-common I will probably be 
 pulled in if one doesn't disable them.

After looking at the machine I'm now certain I didn't use recommended
packages. There is no xfonts- package and (for what I use the machine
for) there do not seem to be any ill-effects.


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Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

Sharon Kimble boudic...@skimble.plus.com writes:

 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes:

 On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 06:36:34PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote:
  But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts 
  happening in some other programme please?
 
 Try enabling utf  (it's the in thing).

 IOW, what is the output of the 'locale' command?
 If there is no UTF component in the string, e.g. en_NZ.UTF-8 then issue
 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' as root, and choose the UTF variant.
 locale
 LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
 LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
 LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_COLLATE=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_MONETARY=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_PAPER=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_NAME=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_ADDRESS=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB.UTF-8
 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB.UTF-8

I've just left-clicked on the large 'U' in the mode-line, and this is
what it told me -
--8---cut here---start-8---
U -- utf-8-unix (alias: mule-utf-8-unix)

UTF-8 (no signature (BOM))
Type: utf-8 (UTF-8: Emacs internal multibyte form)
EOL type: LF
This coding system encodes the following charsets:
  unicode
--8---cut here---end---8---
and that is the encoding of my troublesome document. Still doesn't
explain why its going wrong though.

Sharon.
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Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy

On Sun 11 May 2014 at 12:16:33 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:

 On 2014-05-11 11:43 +0200, Brian wrote:
 
 
  If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it:
 
  xinit
  xserver-org
  xserver-xorg-input-kbd
  xserver-xorg-input-mouse
 
 Those are obsoleted by xserver-xorg-input-evdev.

Thank you.

  xserver-xorg-video-radeon
  xserver-xorg-video-ati
 
  I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have
  different video packages. 
 
 I would also install the -vesa and -fbdev packages in case there are
 problems with the native driver.

Even though I've experienced no problems I suppose I could install them.
After all, I now have a free 300K of space after purging -kbd and -mouse. :)


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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

2014-05-11 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI

On 05/11/2014 05:46 AM, Itay wrote:
 Old disk was 300GB and failing.  New is 1TB.
 I replaced the old harddrive and made few steps to copy the system
 back to the new drive (see below).
 Obviously I missed something as the system does not boot.  BIOS comes
 up alright.
  

 I guess that I overlooked something with the boot files, but what and
 how to remedy this?
  

Did you reinstall grub (or whatever bootloader you use)? You need
something like
# grub-install /dev/sda
to install the bootloader to the MBR. An rsync would not copy that.


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Re: Cron 101: Cron message /bin/sh: root: command not found

On Du, 11 mai 14, 12:07:47, Ron Leach wrote:
 
 /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root indeed contains exactly the error you mention:
 
 # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
 # (/tmp/crontab.jE2KHC/crontab installed on Fri Dec 31 08:54:50 2010)
 # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $)
 # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab
 # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab'
 # command to install the new version when you edit this file
 # and files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields,
 # that none of the other crontabs do.
 
 SHELL=/bin/sh
 PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
 
 # m h dom mon dow user  command
 17 ** * *   rootcd /  run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly
 
 Filip, the comment suggests that I shouldn't edit this file here.

Actually you have no way of knowing this. That part could have just been 
copy-pasted by someone mistaking root's crontab with the system crontab 
(/etc/crontab). The presence of a 'user' field seems to support this.

My suggestion still stands: keep the content of root's crontab somewhere 
(just in case), but remove it.

Kind regards,
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Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv

2014-05-11 Thread Michael Biebl

Am 11.05.2014 09:35, schrieb Sven Joachim:

 Something like journalctl -b | grep systemd-fsck.  I haven't figured
 out how to get journalctl -u to work here.

That, or something like
systemctl status systemd-fsck-root.service
or
systemctl status systemd-fsck@your device.service

works for me as well.

If you use
systemctl status systemd-fsck@TAB
autocompeltion will help you with choosing the right device name, *but*
make sure to properly quote the string, if it contains \, ie. either put
it in  or use \\ instead of single \.

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loss of I/O on some websites

2014-05-11 Thread Whit Hansell

Am getting frustrated.  On the internet today there are so many sites 
that have taken on so much advertising that it is killing my desire to 
go to various sites.  I mean specifically news sites.


My box is a relatively new AMD quad core over 3 Gh, 16 Gb Ram and a 
video card w. 1 Gb memery on it, running Wheezy always updated and 
current.  I go to some news sites and they have video start up and run 
while I'm still trying to get the  page loaded and then trying to scroll 
the page my I/O (mouse and/or cursor keys) won't work or I have to wait 
for a video ad or more get done.  Than someitmes w/o meaning to I 
scrolll over another ad and it starts running it's video and it starts 
all over again.


Am I missing something in some an additional program I can install to 
help take over or as an addon to Eceweasel browser?  This is really 
frustrating and I woiuld appreciate any help anyone can give.



Thanks in advance for any help.

Whit


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Re: free space before the first and after the last partition if GPT partition scheme is used

2014-05-11 Thread Sven Hartge

Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote:

 2) Am I correct that boot loaders use their code on this area after
 the primary GPT and before the first partition?

No.

Bootloaders store their code in a special bios_grub partition (type
EF02) when using the CSM/BIOS boot mode or inside a EFI System
partion when using EFI boot mode.

There is no free space like in the MBR where the bootloaders store their
code.

The free space you are seeing is to align the partitions on 1MB
boundaries.

 3) Are the last 689 sectors after the last partition used for storing
 the backup GPT?

No. This is for alignment as well.

Grüße,
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Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Florian Lohoff

On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 03:47:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
 This one.
 
 The systemd package contains other dbus services that you don't want to try
 to exclude from a desktop system; and libpam-systemd provides necessary
 integration with policykit on those same systems.

So basically what you say is Debian ended support for other init systems
because whatever one chooses you pull in half the systemd?

I was against all the systemd stuff because i saw this coming. 

There is no way to avoid the userspace.exe blob Debian is soon made of. 

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Re: loss of I/O on some websites

2014-05-11 Thread Francesco Ariis

On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 08:59:41AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote:
 Am getting frustrated.  On the internet today there are so many
 sites that have taken on so much advertising that it is killing my
 desire to go to various sites.  I mean specifically news sites.
 

Maybe you already tried it, but just in case: AdBlock Plus (add on for
Iceweasel)?


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Re: loss of I/O on some websites

2014-05-11 Thread The Wanderer

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On 05/11/2014 08:59 AM, Whit Hansell wrote:

 Am getting frustrated.  On the internet today there are so many sites
 that have taken on so much advertising that it is killing my desire
 to go to various sites.  I mean specifically news sites.
 
 My box is a relatively new AMD quad core over 3 Gh, 16 Gb Ram and a
 video card w. 1 Gb memery on it, running Wheezy always updated and
 current.  I go to some news sites and they have video start up and
 run while I'm still trying to get the  page loaded and then trying to
 scroll the page my I/O (mouse and/or cursor keys) won't work or I
 have to wait for a video ad or more get done.  Than someitmes w/o
 meaning to I scrolll over another ad and it starts running it's video
 and it starts all over again.
 
 Am I missing something in some an additional program I can install to
 help take over or as an addon to Eceweasel browser?  This is really
 frustrating and I woiuld appreciate any help anyone can give.

Although this isn't particularly Debian-specific, assuming the video in
question is in fact from ads rather than from intentional page content,
it sounds like you want Adblock Plus. It's available from the official
Mozilla add-ons Website:

  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/

and is also available as a Debian package:

  apt-get install xul-ext-adblock-plus

It's one of several add-ons which I consider an essential part of any
Firefox / Iceweasel installation I'm going to actually use on a regular
basis.

For more complete and comprehensive blocking I also use NoScript, but
that adds rather more hassle for making things continue to work, and
it's not always necessary for this purpose.

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Re: loss of I/O on some websites

On 11/05/14 22:59, Whit Hansell wrote:
 Am getting frustrated.  On the internet today there are so many sites
 that have taken on so much advertising that it is killing my desire to
 go to various sites.  I mean specifically news sites.
 
 My box is a relatively new AMD quad core over 3 Gh, 16 Gb Ram and a
 video card w. 1 Gb memery on it, running Wheezy always updated and
 current.  I go to some news sites and they have video start up and run
 while I'm still trying to get the  page loaded and then trying to scroll
 the page my I/O (mouse and/or cursor keys) won't work or I have to wait
 for a video ad or more get done.  Than someitmes w/o meaning to I
 scrolll over another ad and it starts running it's video and it starts
 all over again.
 
 Am I missing something in some an additional program I can install to
 help take over or as an addon to Eceweasel browser?  This is really
 frustrating and I woiuld appreciate any help anyone can give.
 
 
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 
 Whit
 
 

AdBlock Pro

Why don't you have it? It'll reduce the amount of page you need to
download ($ netstat --iinet will show you connections).
:)

You 'should' also have these installed:-

NoScript
FlashBlock
It's All Text
RightToClick
Self-Destructing Cookies
User-Agent Switcher


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Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition


List,

We seem to have filled the available space on the '/' partition of our 
NFS server.  Because most of the server's variable data is on separate 
partitions, I'm not sure what I could remove from '/' partition.  df 
shows the problem, and the space available on the other partitions:


server4:/# df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/md1   2919360   291932436 100% /
tmpfs   512856 0512856   0% /lib/init/rw
udev 10240   808  9432   8% /dev
tmpfs   512856 0512856   0% /dev/shm
/dev/md6 1892786624 1467249964 425536660  78% /nfs
/dev/sda1   320310 15665287556   6% /boot
/dev/sdb1   320310 15665287556   6% /boot2
/dev/md5  39043328   2431240  36612088   7% /home
/dev/md4971648  4324967324   1% /tmp
/dev/md2   9755264   1241512   8513752  13% /usr
/dev/md3   4872448790660   4081788  17% /var
server4:/#

This is a live server, relied on by several desktop systems and, to a 
lesser extent, some other servers.  The partition exported to the rest 
of the network is regularly backed up.


Am I correct in thinking that I cannot, while running, shrink or grow 
any of the partitions?  Presumably I could do that if the server was 
offline, perhaps by running a partition editor from a CD or USB stick, 
maybe?


There is a GUI on this system but, aside from that, few if any 
'applications'; we do run samba, but not apache, we run exim, and I 
notice that open office is installed (which will be long out of date, 
by now, anyway, and I'll remove).  Are there any large-ish services 
that are believed to not always be necessary on a server, and whose 
removal might release a reasonable amount of space on '/'?


regards, Ron


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Re: Cron 101: SOLVED /bin/sh: root: command not found


On 11/05/2014 13:42, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Du, 11 mai 14, 12:07:47, Ron Leach wrote:


/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root indeed contains exactly the error you mention:

# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
[ ... ]
Filip, the comment suggests that I shouldn't edit this file here.


Actually you have no way of knowing this. That part could have just been
copy-pasted by someone mistaking root's crontab with the system crontab
(/etc/crontab). The presence of a 'user' field seems to support this.

My suggestion still stands: keep the content of root's crontab somewhere
(just in case), but remove it.



Andrei, I have not done what you suggest; instead I edited root's 
crontab and uncommented the error line, using the


# crontab -u root -e

command that Filip suggested.  I did that in case the other sections 
of root's crontab were doing useful things.  This change has stopped 
the hourly emails complaining about the command, so the immediate 
issue is solved.


Earlier, I had tried to make a copy of the file as you suggested 
earlier (in case), but abandoned that because I've also encountered a 
filespace exhaustion, which I've (separately) just posted about.


I've learnt two things from this thread:

'crontab' is a command, as well as a filename in /etc .  I hadn't 
understood that.


Additionally, there are 'user' crontabs in /var/spool/cron/crontabs .

As someone said recently on another thread, there are a lot of 
knowledgeable people on this list, who give generously - and patiently 
- of their time; I'd like to thank the three of you for the help this 
morning.


regards, Ron


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Re: loss of I/O on some websites

2014-05-11 Thread John Hasler

Whit Hansell writes:
 Am I missing something in some an additional program I can install to
 help take over or as an addon to Iceweasel browser?  This is really
 frustrating and I woiuld appreciate any help anyone can give.

Install Privoxy.  It will block ads for and and all browsers.
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One of those threads, old stuff: was Confusion

2014-05-11 Thread Steve Litt

On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:13:21 +0900
Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Joshua Anthony
 janf...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
[clip]
  I confess to much ignorance of technical detail - despite 45 years
  as a computer support engineer, programmer and technical writer, I
  still find a lot of stuff hard to grasp. ie. I am old and lazy and
  think GUI is a gift from heaven. So would you, if you'd started out
  punching ten words of machine code onto paper tape in order to
  start up a mainframe system - long before there was any form of
  visual display.
 
 Hey can we start one of those those threads? I think the
 teletype/paper tape terminal we used in high school to interface with
 the IMSAI box we built. (Much gratitude to a teacher who used a lot of
 his own money to make that possible for us.) So you've got me beat by
 about ten years. But, yeah, Univac 1100 with punched card readers and
 less main memory than my M6800 prototyping board, my first year in the
 community college's EDP courses. IBM System 34 at my summer job.

Oh, there we go! I was late to the party, so my first computer was a
Heathkit ET6800 Microprocessor Trainer:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200610/200610.htm#_Computers_Ive_Known_and_Loved

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Re: One of those threads, old stuff: was Confusion

2014-05-11 Thread The Wanderer

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On 05/11/2014 10:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

 On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:13:21 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Joshua Anthony
 janf...@yahoo.com.au wrote:

 I confess to much ignorance of technical detail - despite 45
 years as a computer support engineer, programmer and technical
 writer, I still find a lot of stuff hard to grasp. ie. I am old
 and lazy and think GUI is a gift from heaven. So would you, if
 you'd started out punching ten words of machine code onto paper
 tape in order to start up a mainframe system - long before there
 was any form of visual display.
 
 Hey can we start one of those those threads? I think the 
 teletype/paper tape terminal we used in high school to interface
 with the IMSAI box we built. (Much gratitude to a teacher who used
 a lot of his own money to make that possible for us.) So you've got
 me beat by about ten years. But, yeah, Univac 1100 with punched
 card readers and less main memory than my M6800 prototyping board,
 my first year in the community college's EDP courses. IBM System 34
 at my summer job.
 
 Oh, there we go! I was late to the party, so my first computer was a
 Heathkit ET6800 Microprocessor Trainer:
 
 http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200610/200610.htm#_Computers_Ive_Known_and_Loved

The first computer I remember actually using was either an Apple //c or
a blocky integrated-monochrome-monitor Macintosh.

Unless you count my few and poor attempts (at an age not above, and
probably fairly low in, the single digits) to play video games on what
amounts, in modern terms, to a Texas Instruments video-game console. I
don't recall what it was called, but I believe it was cartridge-based...

I didn't get into computers far enough to know any of the details of
what I was working with until much later, sometime in the early oughts.

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Re: Problems getting Debian DVD to work (Re: Confusion)

2014-05-11 Thread Steve Litt

On Sun, 11 May 2014 12:40:58 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Vi, 09 mai 14, 19:50:18, Steve Litt wrote:
  
   I think John is asking whether Josh burned the ISO file onto the
   DVD rather than (correctly) the DVD image contained in the ISO
   file.
  
  Thanks Testosticore,
  
  At this point, I think we should all forget I asked that question,
  because neither your explanation nor Joel Rees' explanation caused
  me to understand this distinction, and yet:
  
  1) It seems like everyone else understands it
  
  2) In spite of my complete unknowledge of the difference between
  these two words, I can convert an iso or a udf to an optical disc,
  and I can convert an optical disc to an iso or udf (as
  appropriate), so my mental block isn't hurting me.
 
 Let me try to explain it:
 
 - if you do it right, when mounting the disk you will see a bunch of 
   files and/or directories (assuming a Debian .iso)
 - if you do it wrong, when mounting the disk you will see just
 an .iso file
 
 Hope this explains,
 Andrei

Hi Andrei,

I'm trying to suppress laughter while I type this. Are you saying that
there was a suspicion that somebody used what, xfburn, to put a single
file on an optical disc, and that single file was the .iso intended to
put an iso9660 or UDF filesystem on the optical disc?

How would one even do that? And how would they not know they did it?

By the way, here's an article on .iso files and images:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_image

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Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement

2014-05-11 Thread Steve Litt

On Sun, 11 May 2014 11:46:25 +0300
Itay deb...@itayf.fastmail.fm wrote:

 Hi
 
 
 
 Old disk was 300GB and failing.  New is 1TB.
 
 I replaced the old harddrive and made few steps to copy the system
 back to the new drive (see below).
 
 Obviously I missed something as the system does not boot.  BIOS comes
 up alright.

Just for fun in a ten minute diagnostic test that could shed light on
the situation, why don't you boot a live CD, hopefully one with a
kernel somewhat similar to the one on your new harddrive, mount the hard
drive root partition somewhere, chroot to that mount, and then run
mount -a. I bet you'd get a lot of information.

If all of the above works right, then I'd imagine your problem is either
in your bootloader or your kernel. If some of the above fails, that
tells you where to apply your Troubleshooting Foo.

HTH,

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Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition

On Du, 11 mai 14, 15:33:38, Ron Leach wrote:
 List,
 
 We seem to have filled the available space on the '/' partition of our NFS
 server.  Because most of the server's variable data is on separate
 partitions, I'm not sure what I could remove from '/' partition.  df shows
 the problem, and the space available on the other partitions:
 
 server4:/# df
 Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
 /dev/md1   2919360   291932436 100% /

If Im reading this figures correctly ('df -h' is much nicer) your / has 
somewhere near 2,8 GiB and is full. Considering you have separate /usr 
(which has only some 1,2 GiB) and /var this sounds fishy.

 tmpfs   512856 0512856   0% /lib/init/rw
 udev 10240   808  9432   8% /dev
 tmpfs   512856 0512856   0% /dev/shm
 /dev/md6 1892786624 1467249964 425536660  78% /nfs
 /dev/sda1   320310 15665287556   6% /boot
 /dev/sdb1   320310 15665287556   6% /boot2
 /dev/md5  39043328   2431240  36612088   7% /home
 /dev/md4971648  4324967324   1% /tmp
 /dev/md2   9755264   1241512   8513752  13% /usr
 /dev/md3   4872448790660   4081788  17% /var
 server4:/#
 
 This is a live server, relied on by several desktop systems and, to a lesser
 extent, some other servers.  The partition exported to the rest of the
 network is regularly backed up.
 
Good.

 Am I correct in thinking that I cannot, while running, shrink or grow any of
 the partitions?  Presumably I could do that if the server was offline,
 perhaps by running a partition editor from a CD or USB stick, maybe?

2,9 GiB for / with separate /usr and /var should be plenty. I'd suggest 
looking into what is using all that space.

 There is a GUI on this system but, aside from that, few if any
 'applications'; we do run samba, but not apache, we run exim, and I notice
 that open office is installed (which will be long out of date, by now,
 anyway, and I'll remove).

These should reside in /usr, so in theory wouldn't help much with your 
immediate problem.

 Are there any large-ish services that are
 believed to not always be necessary on a server, and whose removal might
 release a reasonable amount of space on '/'?

See if unused Linux images are installed

dpkg -l linux-*

Removing one could already provide some breathing space, but I would 
keep at least two around (the one in use, obviously, and next older 
one).

You might want to check the output of

du / -hx --max-depth=1

To see where the 2,9 GiB are, but my bets are on /opt ;)

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: One of those threads, old stuff: was Confusion [WOOT]

On 12/05/14 00:50, The Wanderer wrote:
 On 05/11/2014 10:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
 
 On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:13:21 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Joshua Anthony
 janf...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
 
 I confess to much ignorance of technical detail - despite 45
 years as a computer support engineer, programmer and technical
 writer, I still find a lot of stuff hard to grasp. ie. I am old
 and lazy and think GUI is a gift from heaven. So would you, if
 you'd started out punching ten words of machine code onto paper
 tape in order to start up a mainframe system - long before there
 was any form of visual display.

 Hey can we start one of those those threads? I think the 
 teletype/paper tape terminal we used in high school to interface
 with the IMSAI box we built. (Much gratitude to a teacher who used
 a lot of his own money to make that possible for us.) So you've got
 me beat by about ten years. But, yeah, Univac 1100 with punched
 card readers and less main memory than my M6800 prototyping board,
 my first year in the community college's EDP courses. IBM System 34
 at my summer job.
 
 Oh, there we go! I was late to the party, so my first computer was a
 Heathkit ET6800 Microprocessor Trainer:
 
 http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200610/200610.htm#_Computers_Ive_Known_and_Loved
 
 The first computer I remember actually using was either an Apple //c or
 a blocky integrated-monochrome-monitor Macintosh.
 
 Unless you count my few and poor attempts (at an age not above, and
 probably fairly low in, the single digits) to play video games on what
 amounts, in modern terms, to a Texas Instruments video-game console. I
 don't recall what it was called, but I believe it was cartridge-based...
 
 I didn't get into computers far enough to know any of the details of
 what I was working with until much later, sometime in the early oughts.
 
 
 

I grew up in a house/garage full of computers. I learnt my times tables
on punch cards. My father put the question on one side for me, and the
answer on the other (for him). Apparently they still worked fine - as
long as he kept the order right.
My first computer was a hand-me-down, had no keyboard or monitor - just
a row of switches and the most interesting thing it could do was play
bad (static) music on a nearby radio. My first new, personal computer
was an IBM PS/2 50Z, reluctantly parted with, like the rest of my PS/2
collection in the big clean-up some years ago (sob). Bought with
several paychecks from my part-time job as a tape librarian working with
much bigger IBM iron (much of which is still in production, as is the code).

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Re: Problems getting Debian DVD to work (Re: Confusion)

2014-05-11 Thread The Wanderer

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On 05/11/2014 10:57 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

 On Sun, 11 May 2014 12:40:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
 andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Vi, 09 mai 14, 19:50:18, Steve Litt wrote:

 At this point, I think we should all forget I asked that
 question, because neither your explanation nor Joel Rees'
 explanation caused me to understand this distinction, and yet:
 
 1) It seems like everyone else understands it
 
 2) In spite of my complete unknowledge of the difference between
 these two words, I can convert an iso or a udf to an optical
 disc, and I can convert an optical disc to an iso or udf (as
 appropriate), so my mental block isn't hurting me.
 
 Let me try to explain it:
 
 - if you do it right, when mounting the disk you will see a bunch of 
   files and/or directories (assuming a Debian .iso)
 - if you do it wrong, when mounting the disk you will see just
 an .iso file
 
 Hope this explains,
 Andrei
 
 Hi Andrei,
 
 I'm trying to suppress laughter while I type this. Are you saying
 that there was a suspicion that somebody used what, xfburn, to put a
 single file on an optical disc, and that single file was the .iso
 intended to put an iso9660 or UDF filesystem on the optical disc?
 
 How would one even do that? And how would they not know they did it?

Through a drag and drop-style file-copying GUI, which handles the
necessary ISO-filesystem creation transparently in the background, and
then writes that newly created ISO to the disc.

I don't know whether any such exist for Linux (though I'd be mildly
surprised if none did), but AFAIK that's been standard behavior for
Windows Explorer for at least the majority of a decade now. It's a
common enough mistake for Windows users to make, when trying to burn an
ISO to disc, that it's worth asking about as an early troubleshooting step.

In this case, the OP wasn't using Windows, but that wasn't clear before
the question was raised.

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Re: Problems getting Debian DVD to work (Re: Confusion)

On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:57:38, Steve Litt wrote:
 
 I'm trying to suppress laughter while I type this. Are you saying that
 there was a suspicion that somebody used what, xfburn, to put a single
 file on an optical disc, and that single file was the .iso intended to
 put an iso9660 or UDF filesystem on the optical disc?
 
Yes, this is exactly what everybody else was talking about.

 How would one even do that? And how would they not know they did it?

Drag-and-drop in a GUI burning software, just to give an example. 

Windows burning applications in particular are susceptible of this as 
the options to properly write an .iso image to a disk are not always 
obvious. Just look at the instructions for Windows software to get a 
feel for it:

http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows

Kind regards,
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Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition


On 11/05/2014 16:10, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Du, 11 mai 14, 15:33:38, Ron Leach wrote:


We seem to have filled the available space on the '/' partition of our NFS
server.  Because most of the server's variable data is on separate
partitions, I'm not sure what I could remove from '/' partition.  df shows
the problem, and the space available on the other partitions:

server4:/# df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/md1   2919360   291932436 100% /


If Im reading this figures correctly ('df -h' is much nicer) your / has
somewhere near 2,8 GiB and is full. Considering you have separate /usr
(which has only some 1,2 GiB) and /var this sounds fishy.

2,9 GiB for / with separate /usr and /var should be plenty. I'd suggest
looking into what is using all that space.


See if unused Linux images are installed

 dpkg -l linux-*



Assuming 'un' means not installed, this looks ok:

server4:/# dpkg -l linux-*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| 
Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: 
uppercase=bad)

||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
un  linux-doc-2.6. none (no description available)
un  linux-imagenone (no description available)
un  linux-image-2. none (no description available)
ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.26+17+lenn Linux 2.6 image on 
PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.26-25  Linux 2.6.26 image on 
PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/

un  linux-initramf none (no description available)
un  linux-kernel-l none (no description available)
un  linux-latest-m none (no description available)
un  linux-modules- none (no description available)
ii  linux-sound-ba 1.0.17.dfsg-4  base package for ALSA and OSS sound 
systems

server4:/#



You might want to check the output of

 du / -hx --max-depth=1

To see where the 2,9 GiB are, but my bets are on /opt ;)



server4:/# du / -hx --max-depth=1
0   /var
0   /nfs
1.0K/boot
1.0K/boot2
0   /home
4.0K/tmp
0   /usr
80M /etc
0   /media
64M /lib
5.0M/sbin
0   /selinux
4.1M/bin
0   /dev
0   /proc
12K /mnt
12M /root
0   /sys
0   /srv
0   /opt
165M/
server4:/#

This doesn't suggest anything like 2.8GB, does it?  (du does include 
the content of sub-directories in its calculations, doesn't it?)


Your math was fine, but here's df -h for clarity

server4:/# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/md1  2.8G  2.8G   36K 100% /
tmpfs 501M 0  501M   0% /lib/init/rw
udev   10M  808K  9.3M   8% /dev
tmpfs 501M 0  501M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/md6  1.8T  1.4T  406G  78% /nfs
/dev/sda1 313M   16M  281M   6% /boot
/dev/sdb1 313M   16M  281M   6% /boot2
/dev/md5   38G  2.4G   35G   7% /home
/dev/md4  949M  4.3M  945M   1% /tmp
/dev/md2  9.4G  1.2G  8.2G  13% /usr
/dev/md3  4.7G  773M  3.9G  17% /var
server4:/#

md is raid1, and xfs.  I tried fsck to see if there was some kind of 
problem, but it refused to check an xfs filesystem.  xfs_check, 
itself, declined to run because /dev/md1 is mounted, and rw.


Running du to two levels reveals largest quantities for:

80M /etc
76M /etc/webmin

11M /root/.thumbnails

But there's nothing remotely approaching 2.8GB .

I'll try and look round the filesystem, I imagine xfs will log 
something somewhere if it notices something wrong.  I would like to 
check the fs; if I recall, the system checks the xfs filesystem during 
start up so, perhaps later today, I could take the system offline and 
reboot it to force a check.


regards, Ron


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Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition

2014-05-11 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2014-05-11 18:02 +0200, Ron Leach wrote:

 server4:/# du / -hx --max-depth=1
 0   /var
 0   /nfs
 1.0K/boot
 1.0K/boot2
 0   /home
 4.0K/tmp
 0   /usr
 80M /etc
 0   /media
 64M /lib
 5.0M/sbin
 0   /selinux
 4.1M/bin
 0   /dev
 0   /proc
 12K /mnt
 12M /root
 0   /sys
 0   /srv
 0   /opt
 165M/
 server4:/#

 This doesn't suggest anything like 2.8GB, does it?  (du does include
 the content of sub-directories in its calculations, doesn't it?)

Right, but it does not count unlinked but still open files.

 I'll try and look round the filesystem, I imagine xfs will log
 something somewhere if it notices something wrong.  I would like to
 check the fs; if I recall, the system checks the xfs filesystem during
 start up so, perhaps later today, I could take the system offline and
 reboot it to force a check.

Rebooting also frees up the space of unlinked files, but so does killing
the processes which keep them open.  On a long running system there can
be quite a lot of those files, though:

# lsof | grep deleted | wc -l
2058

Cheers,
   Sven


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