Neteja d'spam octubre del 2014
Hola, Com que ja estem a novembre, ja es poden processar tots els correus brossa de l'octubre de 2014. Recordeu que la lluita contra l'spam a les llistes en català la coordinem aquí: http://wiki.debian.org/I18n/CatalanSpamClean Gràcies per la vostra ajuda!!! -- Adrià García-Alzórriz 0x09494C14 Systems have sub-systems and sub-systems have sub-systems and so on ad infinitum -- which is why we're always starting over. -- Epigrams in Programming, ACM SIGPLAN Sept. 1982 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Neteja d'spam octubre del 2014
El 02/11/14 a les 14:58, Adrià ha escrit: Hola, Com que ja estem a novembre, ja es poden processar tots els correus brossa de l'octubre de 2014. - Fet. Itàlia està molt activa, darrerament... Eduard Selma -- Eduard Selma i Bargalló. Aquest missatge s'ha enviat des d'un sistema Linux i no és probable que contingui programari maliciós. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54565ae9.5090...@tinet.cat
Re: ajustar marges pantalla
El 25/10/14 a les #4, Orestes Mas va escriure: També pots provar de jugar una mica amb l'eina arandr, que et permet ajustar el posicionament de la imatge i quan n'estiguis satisfet pots gravar el resultat en un script que s'executi a l'inici de la sessió i que t'ajusti la resolució correctament, Fes man arandr. Hola arandr no em donava gaires opcions, però m'ha fet descobrir xrandr, la versió de línia de comandes que desconneixia. Jo ho estava provant tot modificant el fitxer xorg.conf. amb xrandr tot és més senzill. Provaba amb xrandr --output HDMI-1 --fb 1280x720 --mode 1280x720 --panning 1200x692+40+14 i no em funcionava: X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes). Semblava que una matriu de transformació podia solucionar la papereta, però trovar els nou paràmetres de la matriu em portaria una bona estona: xrandr --output HDMI-1 --transform . Finalment, amb la pista del overscan que deia TicTacBum, he trobat una solució: xrandr --output HDMI-1 --set underscan on Amb això els marges s'ajusen a pantalla, però perdo nitidesa. Ara provaré amb el controlado propietari d'nVidia a veure que em deixa fer Gràcies Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54568f87.1070...@probeta.net
Re: ajustar marges pantalla
Ara provaré amb el controlado propietari d'nVidia a veure que em deixa fer
l'utilitat gràfica nvidia-settings per configurar els controladors ,
al menú principal X Server Display Configuration ja té un quadre per
introduir el valor d'underscan. Solucionat. En el meu cas afegeix
aquesta línia al fitxer xorg.conf:
Option metamodes 1280x720 +0+0 {viewportout=1200x675+40+22}
que miraré si puc canviar a
Option metamodes 1280x720 +0+0 {viewportout=1200x692+40+14}
La lliçó apresa és que moltes TV planes no són monitor d'ordinador,
malgrat ho semblin :-(i que xrand és molt útil i que la gent
d'aquesta llista continueu sent molt enrotllats :-)
Salut i gràcies a tothom
Àlex
pdta : el controlador propietari sí permetia la resolució de la tele
1366x768 , però ho feia escalant la resolució de 1920x1080 de la
targeta, però a aquesta resolució la tele funciona en mode entrellaçat,
a meitat de freqüència 30Hz i es veu molt tremolosa. Haig de baixar a
1280x720 per què es vegi nítida 60hz
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Re: Logiciel
On 11/01/2014 09:20 PM, Haricophile wrote: Le samedi 1 novembre 2014, 08:33:01 apado...@padoly.besaba.com a écrit : Bonjour, C'est freemind que je vais utiliser car il fonctionne indépendemment sous LINUX et sous Windows. Merci. Freeplane aussi. Les 2 projets sont proches (fork) et en grande partie compatibles. http://freeplane.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page S'il n'a pas ete encore nomme, Docear est pas mal aussi : http://www.docear.org/ Il est beaucoup plus complet que les 2 precedents et fonctionne sur les 2 plateformes. -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
PC sous Jessie avec carte nvidia 8200 = difficulté de fonctionnement graphique
Bonjour, Je reviens vers la liste après avoir effectué quelques expériences non concluantes autour de la configuration d'un PC sous Jessie. Je passe sur les échecs trop flagrants (le pilote nvidia-driver plante la machine complètement, le proprio ne se compile pas) et je souhaite mettre en oeuvre le driver nouveau. Une fois le nouveau.modeset enlevé, les deux écrans sont utilisés aux bonne définitions, mais pour de trop courts instants = gel très rapide de l'interface avec des traces dans syslog comme : Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790206] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH TLB flush idle timeout fail Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790208] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH_STATUS : 0x00c00c03 BUSY DISPATCH CCACHE_PREGEOM STRMOUT_VATTR_POSTGEOM TPC_GEOM TPC_MP Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790211] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH_VSTATUS0: 0x0208 CCACHE POSTGEOM Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790213] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH_VSTATUS1: 0x5600 Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790215] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH_VSTATUS2: 0x Les références trouvées sur le net parlent d'un bug lié à la sortie de veille, cependant sur cette machine c'est après 2 à 3 minutes d'utilisation et cela va jusqu'à la perte complète des interfaces clavier, souris et écran... qq1 a-t-il rencontré le même problème ? Cordialement. Yann. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1414936439.2208.10.ca...@ianco.org
Re: PC sous Jessie avec carte nvidia 8200 = difficulté de fonctionnement graphique
On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 02:53:59PM +0100, Yann Cohen wrote: Bonjour, Je reviens vers la liste après avoir effectué quelques expériences non concluantes autour de la configuration d'un PC sous Jessie. Je passe sur les échecs trop flagrants (le pilote nvidia-driver plante la machine complètement, le proprio ne se compile pas) et je souhaite mettre en oeuvre le driver nouveau. Une fois le nouveau.modeset enlevé, les deux écrans sont utilisés aux bonne définitions, mais pour de trop courts instants = gel très rapide de l'interface avec des traces dans syslog comme : Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790206] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH TLB flush idle timeout fail Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790208] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH_STATUS : 0x00c00c03 BUSY DISPATCH CCACHE_PREGEOM STRMOUT_VATTR_POSTGEOM TPC_GEOM TPC_MP Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790211] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH_VSTATUS0: 0x0208 CCACHE POSTGEOM Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790213] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH_VSTATUS1: 0x5600 Nov 2 14:49:37 alphonse kernel: [ 1168.790215] nouveau E[ PGRAPH][:02:00.0] PGRAPH_VSTATUS2: 0x Les références trouvées sur le net parlent d'un bug lié à la sortie de veille, cependant sur cette machine c'est après 2 à 3 minutes d'utilisation et cela va jusqu'à la perte complète des interfaces clavier, souris et écran... qq1 a-t-il rencontré le même problème ? Oui, et ilest vrai que c'est assez pénible, je suis obligé de passer oar les combinaisons de touches magic SysRq keys pour m'y retrouver. Le diver officiel Nvidia n'a pas ce problème mais il n'est pas toujours évident de le compiler ... Quant à une solution je n'ai rien trouvé de valable. A+ mahashakti89 Cordialement. Yann. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1414936439.2208.10.ca...@ianco.org On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 02:53:59PM +0100, Yann Cohen wrote: -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102143606.GA8850@ishwara
Suite à une mise à jour de Wheezy plus de bureaux virtuels (sous Gnome)
Bonjour, Suite à une mise à jour ( aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade) la wheezy de mon laptop HP Compaq 6735s se retrouve avec ce type de bureau (sous Gnome) : http://ramix.org/bureaugnome.png Comment puis-je retrouver mon ancien bureau Gnome classique avec ses bureaux virtuels ? Merci. -- Amicalement. Rene Mages ( GnuPG_key 1024D/2CC455D9 ) http://www.linux-azur.org/ramix -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545643e1.5040...@gmail.com
Re: Suite à une mise à jour de Wheezy plus de bureaux virtuels (sous Gnome)
Le 02/11/2014 15:46, Rene Mages (ramix) a écrit : Bonjour, Suite à une mise à jour ( aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade) la wheezy de mon laptop HP Compaq 6735s se retrouve avec ce type de bureau (sous Gnome) : http://ramix.org/bureaugnome.png Comment puis-je retrouver mon ancien bureau Gnome classique avec ses bureaux virtuels ? Merci. Tu sembles être passé à Gnome 3 avec Gnome-shell. Tu utilisais quoi avant la mise à jour Gnome 2 ou Gnome 3 ? -- == | FRÉDÉRIC MASSOT | | http://www.juliana-multimedia.com | | mailto:frede...@juliana-multimedia.com | | +33.(0)2.97.54.77.94 +33.(0)6.67.19.95.69 | ===Debian=GNU/Linux=== -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54564858.20...@juliana-multimedia.com
Re: Suite à une mise à jour de Wheezy plus de bureaux virtuels (sous Gnome)
Bonjour, Au début, avant de te connecter, il suffit de choisir Gnome classic au lieu de system default comme sur l'image http://blog.osapostle.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Debian7-Wheezy_Choosing-Desktop.png Le 2 novembre 2014 15:46, Rene Mages (ramix) aliasra...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Suite à une mise à jour ( aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade) la wheezy de mon laptop HP Compaq 6735s se retrouve avec ce type de bureau (sous Gnome) : http://ramix.org/bureaugnome.png Comment puis-je retrouver mon ancien bureau Gnome classique avec ses bureaux virtuels ? Merci. -- Amicalement. Rene Mages ( GnuPG_key 1024D/2CC455D9 ) http://www.linux-azur.org/ramix -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545643e1.5040...@gmail.com -- Abdellani Mohamed Email : abdell...@gmail.com
Re: Suite à une mise à jour de Wheezy plus de bureaux virtuels (sous Gnome)
Le 02/11/2014 16:30, Abdellani Mohamed a écrit : Bonjour, Au début, avant de te connecter, il suffit de choisir Gnome classic au lieu de system default comme sur l'image http://blog.osapostle.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Debian7-Wheezy_Choosing-Desktop.png Merci beaucoup Mohamed, tout est à nouveau conforme à mes habitudes (j'utilise souvent de nombreux bureaux virtuels). @Fréderic : j'utilisais déjà Gnome 3 avant la mise à jour. -- Amicalement. Rene Mages ( GnuPG_key 1024D/2CC455D9 ) http://www.linux-azur.org/ramix -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5456527f.8070...@gmail.com
Re: PC sous Jessie avec carte nvidia 8200 = difficulté de fonctionnement graphique
On 11/02/2014 03:36 PM, mahashakti89 wrote: Oui, et il est vrai que c'est assez pénible, je suis obligé de passer oar les combinaisons de touches magic SysRq keys pour m'y retrouver. Le driver officiel Nvidia n'a pas ce problème mais il n'est pas toujours évident de le compiler ... Quant à une solution je n'ai rien trouvé de valable. Driver nvidia pas évident à compiler? Je ne me suis jamais servi des paquets .deb mais 100% réussite... D'abord, il faudrait peut-être que les bonnes bibliothèques .dev sont installées. Voir la liste des dépendances des paquets .deb nvidia et installer les paquets .dev de même nom. Il suffit ensuite de rendre le driver proprio exécutable et de l'exécuter pour qu'il fasse tout le boulot automatiquement. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545659b9.5020...@gmail.com
Re: Équivalent libre à Mindview (était : Logiciel)
Le Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:30:02 +0100, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Framasoft vient de lancer une campagne « Dégooglisons Internet » qui vise à proposer des équivalents libres à un certains nombre de services : vym pour le mind-mapping ? -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545668ac$0$2124$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: Équivalent libre à Mindview (était : Logiciel)
Le 2 novembre 2014 18:23, moi-meme chie...@free.fr a écrit : Le Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:30:02 +0100, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Framasoft vient de lancer une campagne « Dégooglisons Internet » qui vise à proposer des équivalents libres à un certains nombre de services : vym pour le mind-mapping ? Freemind -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545668ac$0$2124$426a7...@news.free.fr -- Abdellani Mohamed Email : abdell...@gmail.com
Re: Suite à une mise à jour de Wheezy plus de bureaux virtuels (sous Gnome)
Le dimanche 2 novembre 2014, 15:46:57 Rene Mages a écrit : Bonjour, Suite à une mise à jour ( aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade) la wheezy de mon laptop HP Compaq 6735s se retrouve avec ce type de bureau (sous Gnome) : http://ramix.org/bureaugnome.png Comment puis-je retrouver mon ancien bureau Gnome classique avec ses bureaux virtuels ? Merci. Tu n'aurais pas un problème d'extension ? -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5964633.qgM4Yk6BqU@azuki
Re: Disk-free et bash ne sont pas d'accord ! (Aucun espace disponible blablabla)
Chris Debian a écrit le 01/11/2014 22:12 : [...] Je n'utilise pas BTRFS, mais j'ai entendu un animateur du podcast BlogueLinux.ca qui parlait justement du même genre de surprise. En fait avec BTRFS il ne faut pas utiliser df car df ne connaît pas (et donc ne tient pas compte) de l'espace utilisé par les metadata, espace qui peut être très important apparemment… [...] Je crois que j'ai confondu de podcast. En tout cas j'ai retrouvé le Linux Action Show où j'ai entendu parler de ce problème : http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/61572/preventing-a-btrfs-nightmare-las-320/ A+ -- Chris
HS probleme init.d debian 7
bonjour la liste,
j'utilise un script pour lancer teamspeak au démarrage de linux debian 7
64 bit
voici le script
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides: Teamspeak
# Required-Start: $local_fs $network
# Required-Stop: $local_fs $remote_fs
# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5
# Default-Stop: 0 1 6
# Short-Description: Teamspeak Server
# Description: Start Teampspeak Server
### END INIT INFO
#!/bin/sh
USERNAME=teamspeak3
# on lance le serveur avec l utilisateur teamspeak 3
ME=`whoami`
as_user() {
if [ $ME == $USERNAME ] ; then
bash -c $1
else
su - $USERNAME -c $1
fi
}
#Demarrage du serveur Teamspeak 3
cd /home/teamspeak3/teamspeak3-server_linux*
./ts3server_startscript.sh start
exit 0
résultat sur le serveur 1
tout vas bien
root@mail:/etc/init.d# /home/undergroundroxers/tsur/ts.sh stop
Stopping the TeamSpeak 3 server..done
root@mail:/etc/init.d# teamspeak
-bash: teamspeak : commande introuvable
root@mail:/etc/init.d# ./teamspeak
Starting the TeamSpeak 3 server
TeamSpeak 3 server started, for details please view the log file
même script sur le serveur 2
et la le système ignore le su
root@ns3368377:/etc/init.d# ./teamspeak
WARNING ! For security reasons we advise: DO NOT RUN THE SERVER AS ROOT
question que se passe t'il les deux serveurs sont sous debian 7
tout est à jour ils sont tous les deux chez ovh
le lancement manuel en se connectant avec l'utilisateur normale
fonctionne le teamspeak est actuellement fonctionnelle est utilisé
par avance merci
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Instalación LAMP en Debian ¿Joomla o Drupal?
Hola: Hace poco he realizado, con algún trabajo y algún problema, una instalación LAMP (Linux-Apache-MysQL-PHP); funciona ahora de maravillas en una máquina que uso de pruebas que no es muy poderosa pero sí es muy estable. Ahora me debato en un problema casi existencial sin encontrar respuesta en los libros que hablan sobre la dialéctica Sartre y Camus -ya dije que el problema era existencial- así es que un poco por desconcierto y otro poco por mi placer en leer opiniones diversas a las mías es que hago esta consulta. ¿Qué les parece mejor? ¿Joomla o Drupal? A los dos los conozco, no se si excelentemente bien pero sí lo suficiente para instalarlos y manejarlos. Cada uno tiene sus cositas, sus ventajas y desventajas, los dos son buenos y también los dos tienen sus bugs. Quizás algunos de ustedes puedan darme algunos consejos o sugerencias de acuerdo a sus experiencias, quizás haya alguien dedicado a hacer sitios que me pueda recomendar la adopción de uno u otro. Desde ya muchas gracias por leer. -- Saludos, Eduardo mailto:egis_e...@yahoo.com.ar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1021457317.20141102095...@yahoo.com.ar
Re: Instalación LAMP en Debian ¿Joomla o Drupal?
2014-11-02 9:57 GMT-03:00 Eduardo Jorge Gil Michelena egis_e...@yahoo.com.ar: Hola: Hace poco he realizado, con algún trabajo y algún problema, una instalación LAMP (Linux-Apache-MysQL-PHP); funciona ahora de maravillas en una máquina que uso de pruebas que no es muy poderosa pero sí es muy estable. Ahora me debato en un problema casi existencial sin encontrar respuesta en los libros que hablan sobre la dialéctica Sartre y Camus -ya dije que el problema era existencial- así es que un poco por desconcierto y otro poco por mi placer en leer opiniones diversas a las mías es que hago esta consulta. ¿Qué les parece mejor? ¿Joomla o Drupal? A los dos los conozco, no se si excelentemente bien pero sí lo suficiente para instalarlos y manejarlos. Cada uno tiene sus cositas, sus ventajas y desventajas, los dos son buenos y también los dos tienen sus bugs. Quizás algunos de ustedes puedan darme algunos consejos o sugerencias de acuerdo a sus experiencias, quizás haya alguien dedicado a hacer sitios que me pueda recomendar la adopción de uno u otro. Desde ya muchas gracias por leer. -- Saludos, Eduardo mailto:egis_e...@yahoo.com.ar Esas preguntas sobre que es mejor siempre traen problemas que son jodidos. Uno simplemente pensando un poco te diría cual es mejor en base a que? y listo ahí cualquiera expondría muchas otras preguntas. Yo sinceramente arreglaría el tema de un modo fácil, proba ambos y fíjate cual te parece mas cómodo. Encontrando un buen testeo entre ambos vas a saber cual es el que te parece mas cómodo de usar, y de ultima el mejor seria aquel que te pareció mas practico en las pruebas que hiciste. Ahí vas bajando un poco los criterios. Además también esta el tema de quienes opinan sobre este dilema, y no siempre probaron ambos. El que determina cual es el mejor es el que usa ambos y encuentra el que mas le sirve. -- Pablo
Re: problemas con grub
El Sat, 01 Nov 2014 19:07:39 -0300, Alexis Saucedo escribió: El día 1 de noviembre de 2014, 19:05, Raphael Verdugo P. raphael.verd...@gmail.com escribió: 2014-11-01 19:01 GMT-03:00 Alexis Saucedo alexissauc...@gmail.com: Buenas tardes, tal vez suene a una pregunta estupida pero la verdad que no encuentro en la web la respuesta, descargue whezyy stable netinst, botee desde pendrive, instale y demas hasta ahi todo ok, ahora marque mal el disco para instalar el arranque y me lo instalo en el pendrive o sea que necesito tenerlo conec tado si o si al pendrive para que este arranque, ¡alguno sabe como puedo moverlo o instalar el grub en el disco duro?. arracan con el pendrive conectado, ingresado a Debian reinstala grub en el disco que quieres. grub-install /dev/sda *sda es tu disco duro donde quieres instalar grub Que boludo no me andaba ese comando por que le ponia sda1, mil gracias! solucionado! Puedes instalar GRUB2 en el MBR del disco duro (p. ej., sda) o en el sector de arranque de una partición (p. ej., sda1). La documentación oficial recomienda la primera opción pero hay situaciones en las que puede ser conveniente instalarlo en una partición (p. ej., si se tiene instalado en el mismo disco windows y linux). Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.02.15.46...@gmail.com
Re: ¿Qué significa esto que me aparece en la consola?
El Sat, 01 Nov 2014 23:10:44 +, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: El 27/10/14 a las 19:48, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: (...) dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libmtp-common', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libzip2', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `coreutils', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado [...] Como solucionar esto para que no vuelva a parecer, Gracias de antemano Gracias a todos los que me han contestado: Antonio, Santiago y Camaleón, realice el reinstalado de los paquetes, pero sigue igual por lo que solo me queda reinstalar de nuevo el sistema. Reitero mi agradecimiento. ¿Y si te vuelve a pasar? Yo probaría primero con un paquete: apt-get install --reinstall laptop-detect Y después vuelve a ejecutar apt-get -f install a ver qué te dice (manda la salida completa de todos los comandos). Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.02.15.55...@gmail.com
Re: vulnerabilidad en zlib
El Sun, 02 Nov 2014 01:41:58 -0300, Fabián Bonetti escribió: Oyeron de la vulnerabilidad en zlib? ¿Se trata de algún fallo súper-vitaminado con Debian? :-) A ver, si no das más datos... pues no, no he leído nada sobre eso. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.02.16.01...@gmail.com
Re: Instalación LAMP en Debian ¿Joomla o Drupal?
El Sun, 02 Nov 2014 09:57:41 -0300, Eduardo Jorge Gil Michelena escribió: (...) Ahora me debato en un problema casi existencial sin encontrar respuesta en los libros que hablan sobre la dialéctica Sartre y Camus -ya dije que el problema era existencial- así es que un poco por desconcierto y otro poco por mi placer en leer opiniones diversas a las mías es que hago esta consulta. ¿Qué les parece mejor? ¿Joomla o Drupal? (...) El que tenga menos fallos de seguridad (o el que los corrija antes) porque ese tipo de frameworks son un auténtico coladero de bichos. Esta comparativa sencilla que hacen en Rackspace me parece bastante realista: http://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/article/cms-comparison-drupal-joomla-and-wordpress Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.02.16.05...@gmail.com
nautilus + conectarse a servidor externo
Buenas tardes lista!, bueno saque mi winchot de mi notebook instale mi wheezy por que ya me estaba desesperando jaj, en este caso necesito explorar una carpeta de mi trabajo y quiero conectarme por nautilus a ella (como lo hago desde mi netbook) pero me aparece algo que nunca habia vistp, habro nautilus, pongo conectar a servidor externo y en la ventana donde tengo que ingresar los datos me aperece un mensaje nose puede cargar la lista de metodos soportada por el servidor compruebe su instalacion de gvfs, verifique y lo tengo instalado, a alguien le sucedio lo mismo?. Saludos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAu=vqexkgx+rnp5tkwzpbgym-cpgz3a9kza3s7mhvhajts...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problemas con grub
El 02/11/14 a las 16:46, Camaleón escribió: Puedes instalar GRUB2 en el MBR del disco duro (p. ej., sda) o en el sector de arranque de una partición (p. ej., sda1). La documentación oficial recomienda la primera opción pero hay situaciones en las que puede ser conveniente instalarlo en una partición (p. ej., si se tiene instalado en el mismo disco windows y linux). ¿Podrías explicarme esa conveniencia de instalar GRUB en una partición si se tiene Windows y Linux instalados? Es que es mi situación, y tengo GRUB en /dev/sda sin problemas. ¿Por que iba a necesitarlo en una partición? Gracias -- www.LinuxCounter.net Registered user #558467 has 2 linux machines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m35qao$s5r$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: nautilus + conectarse a servidor externo
El Sun, 02 Nov 2014 14:09:16 -0300, Alexis Saucedo escribió: Buenas tardes lista!, bueno saque mi winchot de mi notebook instale mi wheezy por que ya me estaba desesperando jaj, en este caso necesito explorar una carpeta de mi trabajo y quiero conectarme por nautilus a ella (como lo hago desde mi netbook) pero me aparece algo que nunca habia vistp, habro nautilus, pongo conectar a servidor externo y en la ventana donde tengo que ingresar los datos me aperece un mensaje nose puede cargar la lista de metodos soportada por el servidor compruebe su instalacion de gvfs, verifique y lo tengo instalado, a alguien le sucedio lo mismo?. Yo tengo varios paquetes instalados: sm01@stt008:~$ dpkg -l | grep -i gvfs ii gvfs:amd641.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - GIO module ii gvfs-backends 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - backends ii gvfs-common 1.12.3-4 all userspace virtual filesystem - common data files ii gvfs-daemons 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - servers ii gvfs-fuse 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - fuse server ii gvfs-libs:amd64 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - private libraries Mira a ver si tienes el de -backends y -fuse. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.02.17.41...@gmail.com
Re: problemas con grub
El Sun, 02 Nov 2014 18:40:41 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 02/11/14 a las 16:46, Camaleón escribió: Puedes instalar GRUB2 en el MBR del disco duro (p. ej., sda) o en el sector de arranque de una partición (p. ej., sda1). La documentación oficial recomienda la primera opción pero hay situaciones en las que puede ser conveniente instalarlo en una partición (p. ej., si se tiene instalado en el mismo disco windows y linux). ¿Podrías explicarme esa conveniencia de instalar GRUB en una partición si se tiene Windows y Linux instalados? Es que es mi situación, y tengo GRUB en /dev/sda sin problemas. ¿Por que iba a necesitarlo en una partición? La ventaja de tener instalado GRUB en una partición es que mantienes los dos cargadores originales (windows con su ntloader y debian con su grub) lo cual tiene la ventaja de que si tienes que reinstalar Windows no pierdes GRUB por lo que no tendrías que volver a instalarlo. Además, y esto es una opinión personal, me gusta que cada sistema operativo instalado tenga su propio cargador (sea windows o distintas distribuciones linxeras, bsd, etc...) y que sea yo quien elija cuál usar como predeterminada. Como GRUB es más flexible, para iniciar con GRUB en lugar de que se cargue windows, sólo hay que marcar la partición donde está GRUB como la partición de inicio (bootable flag) que se puede hacer con cfdisk o fdisk. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.02.18.18...@gmail.com
Re: ¿Qué significa esto que me aparece en la consola?
El 02/11/14 a las 15:55, Camaleón escribió: El Sat, 01 Nov 2014 23:10:44 +, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: El 27/10/14 a las 19:48, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: (...) dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libmtp-common', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libzip2', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `coreutils', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado [...] Como solucionar esto para que no vuelva a parecer, Gracias de antemano Gracias a todos los que me han contestado: Antonio, Santiago y Camaleón, realice el reinstalado de los paquetes, pero sigue igual por lo que solo me queda reinstalar de nuevo el sistema. Reitero mi agradecimiento. ¿Y si te vuelve a pasar? Yo probaría primero con un paquete: apt-get install --reinstall laptop-detect Y después vuelve a ejecutar apt-get -f install a ver qué te dice (manda la salida completa de todos los comandos). Saludos, Hola Camaleón, Tengo ya instalado el laptop-detect. Y lo he reinstalado como me indicabas. Al hacerlo, volvió a salir lo mismo, te pongo a continuación un trozo, ya que es más extenso: ... dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libustr-1.0-1:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado ... Una pregunta: ¿Este paquete lo que hace es detectar si estamos es un portátil o en un sobremesa? si es así es automático o manual con algún comando -- Un saludo, José Manuel Gran Canaria/España Si vas a escribir.. piensa en esto: no digas nada que no sea mas precioso que el silencio!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54568e62.6020...@infonegocio.com
Re: Instalación LAMP en Debian ¿Joomla o Drupal?
De inicio creo que no es necesario tener lamp, puedes tener esos servicios nativos en debían y por qué no intentar hacer algo limpio desde cero con zend. Actúal mente está muy maduro y prácticamente es rápido el desarrollo ahí El 02/11/2014 08:10, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sun, 02 Nov 2014 09:57:41 -0300, Eduardo Jorge Gil Michelena escribió: (...) Ahora me debato en un problema casi existencial sin encontrar respuesta en los libros que hablan sobre la dialéctica Sartre y Camus -ya dije que el problema era existencial- así es que un poco por desconcierto y otro poco por mi placer en leer opiniones diversas a las mías es que hago esta consulta. ¿Qué les parece mejor? ¿Joomla o Drupal? (...) El que tenga menos fallos de seguridad (o el que los corrija antes) porque ese tipo de frameworks son un auténtico coladero de bichos. Esta comparativa sencilla que hacen en Rackspace me parece bastante realista: http://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/article/cms-comparison-drupal-joomla-and-wordpress Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.02.16.05...@gmail.com
Re: ¿Qué significa esto que me aparece en la consola?
Mira por qué no intentas con aptitude, si tienes paquetes rotos, faltan o sobra, desde ahí equilbras el sistema El 02/11/2014 12:06, José Manuel (EB8CXW) eb8cx...@infonegocio.com escribió: El 02/11/14 a las 15:55, Camaleón escribió: El Sat, 01 Nov 2014 23:10:44 +, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: El 27/10/14 a las 19:48, José Manuel (EB8CXW) escribió: (...) dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libmtp-common', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libzip2', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `coreutils', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado [...] Como solucionar esto para que no vuelva a parecer, Gracias de antemano Gracias a todos los que me han contestado: Antonio, Santiago y Camaleón, realice el reinstalado de los paquetes, pero sigue igual por lo que solo me queda reinstalar de nuevo el sistema. Reitero mi agradecimiento. ¿Y si te vuelve a pasar? Yo probaría primero con un paquete: apt-get install --reinstall laptop-detect Y después vuelve a ejecutar apt-get -f install a ver qué te dice (manda la salida completa de todos los comandos). Saludos, Hola Camaleón, Tengo ya instalado el laptop-detect. Y lo he reinstalado como me indicabas. Al hacerlo, volvió a salir lo mismo, te pongo a continuación un trozo, ya que es más extenso: ... dpkg: aviso: falta el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `libustr-1.0-1:i386', se supondrá que el paquete no tiene ningún fichero actualmente instalado ... Una pregunta: ¿Este paquete lo que hace es detectar si estamos es un portátil o en un sobremesa? si es así es automático o manual con algún comando -- Un saludo, José Manuel Gran Canaria/España Si vas a escribir.. piensa en esto: no digas nada que no sea mas precioso que el silencio!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54568e62.6020...@infonegocio.com
Re: nautilus + conectarse a servidor externo
Gracias por responder camaleon mira: ii gvfs:amd641.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - GIO module ii gvfs-backends 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - backends ii gvfs-common 1.12.3-4 all userspace virtual filesystem - common data files ii gvfs-daemons 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - servers ii gvfs-libs:amd64 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - private libraries veo backends pero no fuse,deveria instalarlos? Saludos! El día 2 de noviembre de 2014, 14:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sun, 02 Nov 2014 14:09:16 -0300, Alexis Saucedo escribió: Buenas tardes lista!, bueno saque mi winchot de mi notebook instale mi wheezy por que ya me estaba desesperando jaj, en este caso necesito explorar una carpeta de mi trabajo y quiero conectarme por nautilus a ella (como lo hago desde mi netbook) pero me aparece algo que nunca habia vistp, habro nautilus, pongo conectar a servidor externo y en la ventana donde tengo que ingresar los datos me aperece un mensaje nose puede cargar la lista de metodos soportada por el servidor compruebe su instalacion de gvfs, verifique y lo tengo instalado, a alguien le sucedio lo mismo?. Yo tengo varios paquetes instalados: sm01@stt008:~$ dpkg -l | grep -i gvfs ii gvfs:amd641.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - GIO module ii gvfs-backends 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - backends ii gvfs-common 1.12.3-4 all userspace virtual filesystem - common data files ii gvfs-daemons 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - servers ii gvfs-fuse 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - fuse server ii gvfs-libs:amd64 1.12.3-4 amd64userspace virtual filesystem - private libraries Mira a ver si tienes el de -backends y -fuse. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.02.17.41...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAu=vqc5hgixnj7vazkbdu8-fgw5x1ng-ghf+-0u6vfp2iq...@mail.gmail.com
pcmanfm ssh operacion no soportada
Pues eso, hoy actualice mi debian jessie y a partir de alli no puedo realizar la operacion del titulo. en concreto tengo openbox en jessie con kernel 3.16-3-686-pae, probe abrir pcmanfm desde terminal para ver si tira algun error pero no me dice nada. a veces suelo utilizar ssh a traves de pcmanfm para algunas tareas sencillas, es para ver entre 2 pc's desde casa. la conexion al equipo mediante consola por ssh se realiza sin problemas, por ende no viene por el lado de ssh. buscando por la web no encontre nada al respecto. slds -- Windows? Reboot Debian? beRoot -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CA+0kpa1N8=awCXNKsp=Dc0O3=aum+d0ecle3hxgqoauapoy...@mail.gmail.com
problemas de dependencias con python-dev
Saludos, recientemente he tratado de installar el paquete: python-dev $ sudo apt-get install python-dev ... Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas: python-dev : Depende: python (= 2.7.3-4+deb7u1) pero 2.7.8-1 va a ser instalado Depende: python2.7-dev (= 2.7.3-1~) pero no va a instalarse Actualmente tengo instalado: Python 2.7.8 Necesito ayuda para saber como puedo resolver este problema de dependencias, sera posible hacer un downgrade a python de mi versión actual a la 2.7.3 por ejemplo? alguna sugerencia... De antemano muchas gracias! -- El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia mental -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CADpTsTZZxGDg=FVT0pH+TpR1r5+1H3sa5G5O73LtG+5pta=m...@mail.gmail.com
Re: problemas de dependencias con python-dev
El día 3 de noviembre de 2014, 0:53, Carlos Carcamo eazyd...@gmail.com escribió: Saludos, recientemente he tratado de installar el paquete: python-dev $ sudo apt-get install python-dev ... Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas: python-dev : Depende: python (= 2.7.3-4+deb7u1) pero 2.7.8-1 va a ser instalado Depende: python2.7-dev (= 2.7.3-1~) pero no va a instalarse Actualmente tengo instalado: Python 2.7.8 Necesito ayuda para saber como puedo resolver este problema de dependencias, sera posible hacer un downgrade a python de mi versión actual a la 2.7.3 por ejemplo? alguna sugerencia... De antemano muchas gracias! -- El desarrollo no es material es un estado de conciencia mental Hola. ¿Con que versión de Debian estás? Debes haber mezclado versiones. la 2.7.8 está en Jessie. Si estuvieras en Jessie, la python-dev tiene esa misma versión. Si estás en estable podrías ver que pasa si intentas desinstalar/purgar la 2.7.8 (desde aptitude) y si no te rompe cosas, desinstalar e instalar la versión 2.7.3 de estable. También podrías instalar la python-dev de Jessie si no tiene dependencias complicadas. (Si vas por este camino mira en google sobre apt-pinning pero puedes quedarte con un híbrido difícil de mantener). S2. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAGw=rHgL_jppuNzMCrPmahH4=tuz+hufo3q148svfohaoua...@mail.gmail.com
Re: pcmanfm ssh operacion no soportada
El 2 de noviembre de 2014, 19:01, Ricardo Delgado ricardodelgad...@gmail.com escribió: Pues eso, hoy actualice mi debian jessie y a partir de alli no puedo realizar la operacion del titulo. en concreto tengo openbox en jessie con kernel 3.16-3-686-pae, probe abrir pcmanfm desde terminal para ver si tira algun error pero no me dice nada. a veces suelo utilizar ssh a traves de pcmanfm para algunas tareas sencillas, es para ver entre 2 pc's desde casa. la conexion al equipo mediante consola por ssh se realiza sin problemas, por ende no viene por el lado de ssh. buscando por la web no encontre nada al respecto. slds hola, revisa si no se desinstaló al momento de actualizar. pues sería una razón por la cual no se ejecuta. si es así, bastaria con aptitude install pcmanfm saludos! -- Windows? Reboot Debian? beRoot -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CA+0kpa1N8=awCXNKsp=Dc0O3=aum+d0ecle3hxgqoauapoy...@mail.gmail.com
Best practise - hårdvarubyte
Projektet att byta hårdvara för min server drar i långbänk. Gamla servern kör squeeze och har bara en hårddisk. Nya servern har jag planerat för mjukvaru-RAID. Frågor i nära omgivningen ger två olika förslag till modus operandi: - Installera om allt från grunden och få ett friskt system - Rsyncha först nya servern från gamla och uppgradera sedan till wheezy. Jag ser fördelar med båda. Rsynchar jag har jag förhoppningsvis en fungerande kopia med en gång, men kan drabbas av problem i samband med uppgradering till wheezy. Väljer jag wheezy direkt och installera allt från början får jag högst troligt problem med de mindre lappningar och lagningar i konfig-filer mm som gjorts med tiden. Så vilka andra för- och nackdelar att ta hänsyn till. Dock, jag har stora problem att montera RAID-disken när jag kör live-CD, vilket naturligtvis är ett måste om jag ska rsyncha hela gamla disken. //Jens == Jens Andersson ja...@barbanet.com VHF: SC8895 MMSI:265586130 PGP finger print: BD36 399B 2594 74DA EFAB B72C B655 55D1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54560695.2070...@barbanet.com
Re: Best practise - hårdvarubyte
On 2 Nov 2014 11:25 +0100, from ja...@barbanet.com (Jens Andersson): Så vilka andra för- och nackdelar att ta hänsyn till. Dock, jag har stora problem att montera RAID-disken när jag kör live-CD, vilket naturligtvis är ett måste om jag ska rsyncha hela gamla disken. Jag skulle nog vilja lösa det problemet först, och reda ut varför det är problem att montera lagringen på den nya servern. För det kommer du att behöva göra, förr eller senare... -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102111615.gk7...@yeono.kjorling.se
Re: Best practise - hårdvarubyte
Borde förtydligat att RAID funkar utan problem om jag bootar från RAID-device. Således bara problem när jag kör live-CD. //jens Skickat från min iPad 2 nov 2014 kl. 12:16 skrev Michael Kjörling mich...@kjorling.se: On 2 Nov 2014 11:25 +0100, from ja...@barbanet.com (Jens Andersson): Så vilka andra för- och nackdelar att ta hänsyn till. Dock, jag har stora problem att montera RAID-disken när jag kör live-CD, vilket naturligtvis är ett måste om jag ska rsyncha hela gamla disken. Jag skulle nog vilja lösa det problemet först, och reda ut varför det är problem att montera lagringen på den nya servern. För det kommer du att behöva göra, förr eller senare... -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102111615.gk7...@yeono.kjorling.se -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/c693ef20-eaf4-43b7-9702-e230ac68a...@barbanet.com
Re: Best practise - hårdvarubyte
On 2 Nov 2014 12:47 +0100, from ja...@barbanet.com (Jens Andersson): Borde förtydligat att RAID funkar utan problem om jag bootar från RAID-device. Således bara problem när jag kör live-CD. Jag förstod det, det var nog mitt svar som var lite otydligt. :) Förr eller senare behöver man starta från live-CD för att laga något som är trasigt, trist då om man inte kan montera disken... Själv skulle jag nog föredra att kopiera och uppgradera, framför att installera om och försöka flytta över all konfiguration. Har gjort en flytt till ny installation, det var måttligt roligt trots att jag haft en plan redan från början var jag lagt allt som skulle följa med. -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102115948.gl7...@yeono.kjorling.se
Re: Best practise - hårdvarubyte
Hej! Den 2 november 2014 11:25 skrev Jens Andersson ja...@barbanet.com: Jag ser fördelar med båda. Rsynchar jag har jag förhoppningsvis en fungerande kopia med en gång, men kan drabbas av problem i samband med uppgradering till wheezy. Väljer jag wheezy direkt och installera allt från början får jag högst troligt problem med de mindre lappningar och lagningar i konfig-filer mm som gjorts med tiden. Så vilka andra för- och nackdelar att ta hänsyn till. Vad har du på ditt system? Hur mycket tid har du att lägga ner? Har du ett stort antal system / tjänster och ont om tid, kanske alt 1 är bäst. Om du kan tänka dig att installera systemet på en fast disk och lägga data på raiden, kan du klona gamla disken, rsynca datat och sedan uppgradera. Blir det problem med upgraderingen, gå över till alt 2. Dock, jag har stora problem att montera RAID-disken när jag kör live-CD, vilket naturligtvis är ett måste om jag ska rsyncha hela gamla disken. Varför inte installera en rescuedist / lättviktssystem på extern usbdisk, sätt upp raiden, verifiera integritet. Som lättvikstdesktopp, rekomenderar jag ChrunchBang Linux http://crunchbang.org/ (Debian med openbox), som rescuesystem GRML https://grml.org/ eller Finnix http://www.finnix.org/ Med ChrunchBang Linux http://crunchbang.org/ på en usb-disk med verktyg för rädda data, återställa filer/partioner, klona diskar, scanna efter virus etc, och lokal repository, är man förberedd på det mesta... En fördel till med alternativ 2, är ju att du blir säkrare på hur ditt system är uppbyggt. Snart dags uppgradera till jessie... -- // Med vänliga hälsningar rbh Rickard B Hansson
Re: Best practise - hårdvarubyte
Den 2014-11-02 11:25, Jens Andersson skrev: Jag ser fördelar med båda. Rsynchar jag har jag förhoppningsvis en fungerande kopia med en gång, men kan drabbas av problem i samband med uppgradering till wheezy. Väljer jag wheezy direkt och installera allt från början får jag högst troligt problem med de mindre lappningar och lagningar i konfig-filer mm som gjorts med tiden. Jag skulle föredra Wheezy direkt. Förr eller senare måste du hantera dina konfigurationer. Uppgradering löser långt ifrån allt när det gäller konfigurering. //Anders -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545622b3.70...@kreawit.se
Re: umask has no man page?
2014/11/02 11:19 Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com: When I wanted the options for umask, I typed 'man umask' and got the man page for it as a C header diretive? (I'm not a C programmer, but it seemed to be for C header files and came from section 2.) This is darn confusing for a new user. I have been around long enough (slink) that I quickly realized it must be a Bash builtin and found that man page, but how would a beginner know that? Surely a symbolic link could be set up for umask as well as the others (bg, eval, fg, read, etc.)? Should I file this as a bug against Sid? I know there's no chance it will make it into Wheezy. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Hmm. What do I get when I try to do a man umask? BASH_BUILTINS (1) I wonder why. I have a memory of doing something like installing a manpages package, but I'm not sure that was what did the trick, or it might have been mingw I did that on. Wheezy, FWIW. (And thanks to The Wanderer for reminding us about the help command. I keep forgetting that.) -- Joel Rees -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iMRC0bLMVjOgrapqX2wD7H8Jt0t0RGxt1unoXQ2j=d...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
I don't think we have universal agreement that systemd violates the (rather nebulous) UNIX philosophy, at least any more egregiously than the kernel, GNU, or many other key components of Debian. Nobody can rule with any particular authority on the matter, and one person's opinion is not worth more than anothers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102083540.ga8...@chew.redmars.org
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 11:57 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 11/01/2014 at 10:20 PM, lee wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Miles Fidelman wrote: Right. This sounds more and more like we're going to rewrite the rules, and if you don't like it, we're taking our ball and going home. Various people have tried to explain how a binary distribution like Debian works (build packages with all options included by defauls) and how shared libraries work on Linux (all the libraries need to be there to satisfy symbol resolution at run time, even if none of the code is ever used). When those explanations fell on deaf ears, people have resorted to analogy. That was clearly a waste of time too. Appreciating and understanding an explanation doesn't mean that someone who appreciates the explanation and understands it comes to the same conclusions or opinions about what has been explained. Your car manufacturer and the sales people can give you all kinds of explanations about why you'd be forced to never take off the trailer and keep telling you that the rules demand it to remain hooked up all the time. That doesn't mean that you like the idea or that you would buy the car. One difference is that these are not invented or imposed rules; they are an essential and pretty-much inherently unavoidable part of the way dynamic-shared-library software *works*. You know, when Lee started this thread, I was thinking somewhat the same thing. But he really isn't so much talking about the way libraries work (which I know a way to fix, if I had time to build my own distro using my own replacement for elf) as he is talking about using a bad modular restructuring to cause the libraries to get entangled with systemd entangled libraries. Having an opinion that they're bad is no more meaningful or practical than having an opinion that gravity is bad. (Or, say, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Which I bring up as a counterexample to my own point, since I personally do reject that principle as part of my larger philosophy.) Isn't Heisenberg just a clumsy description of the statistic nature of the composition of quarks and leptons? If you want to avoid these rules entirely, I believe you'd have to either design a system from the ground up (quite possibly the level of defining what the format of a binary executable is, if not below) with the specific goal of not requiring them, or use exclusively static linking, which has considerable disadvantages compared to dynamic linking. Static linking doesn't really solve the problem by itself, of course. Or you could write in an interpreted language instead of one that gets compiled to native executable code, but then you still have to have a native-code interpreter for that language, so that doesn't avoid the problem entirely. Just shoves it off to the side a bit. Both of those approaches miss out on a lot of existing software, and so far, no one seems to have thought of either one of them as worth the trouble. That is, those who have thought it worth the trouble keep running into more trouble than they thought they would. If you want to give either one of them a try, I think it could make for an interesting project, but the odds of your coming up with a viable system in the end are nearly as long as the odds of my Heisenberg-rejecting philosophy ever producing any real-world consequences. It's terrible that funding is as important as theoretical viability. But the thing Lee is getting at is the arbitrary re-partitioning of functionality by which udev becomes essential to programs that would not usually need to know more than the standard file system interface, etc. Sure, systemd has been cut up into modules. But the modules are not independent, and they should be. Some of the work being done in debian, to allow multiple inits, is helping to partially correct that. -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iMRyo2b7Tt9D-JV=enwujgzezz-07ugrbai6fzgzc7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: umask has no man page?
On 2014-11-02 04:06 +0100, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/01/2014 at 10:18 PM, Carl Fink wrote: Surely a symbolic link could be set up for umask as well as the others (bg, eval, fg, read, etc.)? One could, but I don't think I'd say it would be a good idea, and although the Debian bash maintainers might disagree with me I don't think the odds of their adding such symlinks are very good. I have difficulty parsing that, but I don't think the bash maintainer would be keen on adding these symlinks, since bash is not the only shell and other shells might have different builtins. There was a short discussion about this back in 2001[1]. Cheers, Sven 1. https://bugs.debian.org/99532 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8738a2vtys@turtle.gmx.de
systemd rootkit signature?
Hello all, I get the following warning from checkrootkit on debian/jessie: . . Searching for Suckit rootkit... Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED . . . The file /sbin/init is a symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd, that means, that systemd is infected. However, I do not think it is a rootkit at all, but it got its signature. Maybe either systemd should be changed or checkrootkit. Can someone confirm this bug? Best Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2549216.jhzyGpmzyp@protheus7
Re: Problems with greylistd and exim and gmail
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:35:12 + (UTC), Virgo Pärna virgo.pa...@mail.ee wrote: I seem to be having problem with /etc/greylistd/whitelist-hosts file: however I describe a server in it, messages are still greylisted. I have tried 209.85.216.0/24 and like that and simply 209.85.216 and 209.85.128.0/17 and 209.85.128/17 in that file. And I'm also unable to find solid information on how to set it up. Ok problem is solved. I did have invalid lines in file: like that 209.85.128/17 line. And exim stops processing file, if it meets invalid host line. I guess, that it was just coincidence, that it started happening now. -- Virgo Pärna virgo.pa...@mail.ee -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm5bu37.dcb.virgo.pa...@dragon.gaiasoft.ee
Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition
* David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il [2014-11-02 00:28 +0200]: On Saturday 01 November 2014 22:58:05 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: * David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il [2014-11-01 19:13 +0200]: On Friday 31 October 2014 13:08:27 Elimar Riesebieter wrote: [...] It's your decision. MODULES=most should be okay. BUSYBOX=y is essential. This is what the install gave me. I have not touched it. Where do I tell it to mount /usr? No need to. initramfs-tools does it by default. Check dmesg or journal. Elimar New to .118 version? If I upgrade to that, the Failed to remount message will no longer happen? Go and find it out. Elimar -- Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102092626.gc1...@galadriel.home.lxtec.de
Re: /bin/perl vs. /usr/bin/perl
#! /usr/bin/env perl use warnings; 2014-11-01 17:58 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org: On 1 Nov 2014 15:30, Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote: On 01/11/14 14:52, lee wrote: what's the proposed Debian way to deal with a different location of the 'perl' executable? #! /usr/bin/env perl The trouble with this is perl -w doesn't work. ... but I thought that on Fedora, /bin was turned into a symlink to /usr/bin in F17, so unless you've got some pre-F17 Fedora systems to care about, /usr/bin/perl should be fine on Fedora. I think you're right, /usr/bin/perl should work just about everywhere. -- esta es mi vida e me la vivo hasta que dios quiera -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAE7pJ3BqYO6NAOkdGZtHSMUA5=dyxxa8v3ru2na3v+ax-w8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On Sb, 01 nov 14, 19:40:15, Miles Fidelman wrote: I mean that Linus has been very vocal, of late, about not allowing code by Kay Sievers, and several others, anywhere near the kernel. Good thing then that Kay Sievers is not submitting the code. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: installation disclaimer
On Sb, 01 nov 14, 19:04:13, Diogene Laerce wrote: Hi, During the installation of some packages (iceweasel, open-ssl..), a disclaimer sometimes appears which one has to pass by using the q key of the keyboard. Not quite sure what you mean here, packages don't usually present any disclaimer[1]. Since you mention pressing 'q' it seems more like apt-listchanges presenting you the NEWS.Debian file. You could just remove it. [1] as far as I know disclaimers are those use at your own risk messages. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: find all installed packages from a specific release
On Du, 02 nov 14, 00:57:45, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: Thanks. This is useful and solves my first question. Oh, missed that one[1]. Aptitude, at least in interactive mode can do it, because it presents a Security Updates (or something like that) package group. One can just Shift-U on the group to update just those packages. For the commandline it should be possible to come up with a pattern that finds upgradeable packages from a certain archive (origin?). Then it's only a matter of substituting 'search' with 'install'[2]. See chapter 2 in the aptitude user's manual (package aptitude-doc-en). [1] maybe you shouldn't post unrelated questions in the same message? [2] APT tools usually don't have a 'upgrade-package [list]' command, because 'install' does it. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: I don't think we have universal agreement that systemd violates the (rather nebulous) (Well, engineering principles do tend to _appear_ nebulous, I suppose.) UNIX philosophy, True. Kind of like there was a time when Newton's description of gravity was not universally accepted. Unix philosophy is just a verbal description of the ways that principles of engineering apply in software. It is not yet well formulated. Modularity once looked like the paradigm, but we discovered that modularity was also not easy to get our hands on. Lots of ways to partition a design into modules, even given the focus on character processing and use of filters in pipes. Objects, patterns, etc., and we keep finding new ways to look at the principles, and we keep finding contexts in which those ways of looking at the principles don't apply. at least any more egregiously than the kernel, Well, we know the kernel is significantly more monolithic than it might be. Part of the reason Linus still has work to do is that it takes time to figure out how to partition the kernel into modules that work well with each other. Getting it running was important, once people started using it. Now the devs spend a lot of their time trying to find new ways to make the kernel conform to principles of engineering. It would be nice if the L4 groups and the mainline Linux kernel group could find it easier to integrate the essential elements of L4 into the mainline kernel. But L4 is not the only, or necessarily best partition. GNU, The gnu userland is a mix. But, in general, it more-or-less follows the unix userland it was originally duplicating to a large extent. Most of the Linux tools have accreted cruft, and the original unix functional partition is not guaranteed to be the one-and-only best partition. But the fundamental reason for the success of Unix was that the partition was exceptionally good. Dennis, Ken, Brian, Robert, Doug, et. al., made one of those rare useful leaps when they defined their set of tools. We have since been going both directions with software technology. Some of our software is complicated because the people who pay for it want complicated machines. Some follows engineering principles because the people who pay for it are willing to let engineering principles be used, in so far as we understand engineering principles. or many other key components of Debian. One of the problems with current software technology is that, when people realize their pet projects run against proper principles of engineering, instead of refactoring, they want to invent a domain in which the rules of engineering don't apply. But even games are subject to rules of engineering. The leading edge of research, on the other hand, tends to be a place where we don't know how to apply the rules of engineering. The rules apply, but sometimes in non-intuitive ways. Now, one of the interesting things about computers is that CPUs often have extra cycles, and those extra cycles can be used to hide places where the external design doesn't follow principles of engineering. Unfortunately, that leaves many people with the impression that, if we have enough CPU cycles and RAM we can break laws of nature. The results, like the Segway, can be interesting, but to make the Segway work they had to use some pretty strict engineering underneath. Not that the Segway was worthless, but we don't want to try to replace all bicycles and short-distance cars with Segways. Nobody can rule with any particular authority on the matter, Back before the almost-success of ISO/ANSI C, we used to say that the compiler had the last word. It's still true, but we have been able to describe so much that we tend to think of the standard as the compiler. And gcc reigned alone as the best implementation of the standard for a long time. Which is to say, when we break principles of engineering, things fail. Sometimes we don't notice the failure until storm winds expose the fact that an exponent got inverted in the design of a bridge, or a dance party in a hotel ballroom has twice the rated occupancy, combined with rhythmic motion that was not considered in the design, and things fail in non-graceful ways. The real world is the ultimate compiler to test our designs against. and one person's opinion is not worth more than anothers. That's wishful thinking. Engineering principles apply, even though no living engineer has God's understanding of the principles. What you can say is that computer science and information science are still not well developed, and you can hope that Poettering company's work will expose new ways to apply the engineering principles. That won't happen to the extent you want it to. What will, I hope, happen, is that Poettering and his group will eventually quite protecting their baby. They have been fixing some of their mistakes, so things don't look all bad. The rest
Re: installation disclaimer
Hi Scott, On 11/02/2014 01:43 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 02/11/14 05:04, Diogene Laerce wrote: Hi, During the installation of some packages (iceweasel, open-ssl..), a disclaimer sometimes appears which one has to pass by using the q key of the keyboard. The use of apt-get install -y package does not seem to be useful to pass automatically this. By design? i.e. those messages are considered important. Apropos of -y, I don't recommend assume yes unless I've (-s) simulated the apt-get /first/. --trivial-only is less dangerous if you haven't done a dry run first. It is about essentials packages on a fresh install so it should do no harm, and I've run and rerun the whole process before. Does anyone know how to pass by this and prevent installer to stop? It's recommended *not* to do this:- apt-get -yq=2 install shootfoot #should work apt-get --force-yes -q=2 install shootfeet bothbarrels #will work, untested, obviously Actually none of them worked. I think they are just about yes or no questions, and those aren't. Disclaimer: suing me is a waste of time ;) I already filed a report to the Hague. ;) Thank you and, best regards. -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Idea: Rename package `udev` to `systemd-udev`, plus new `udev` metapackage, to preserve freedom of choice of init systems.
On Sb, 01 nov 14, 23:37:32, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: I'm thinking here about the future of `udev` and alt-init systems (systemd-sysv | sysvinit-core | upstart)... Apparently, `udev` will stop working without systemd = PID1 (am I right?), [citation needed] Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: installation disclaimer
Hi Andrei, On 11/02/2014 11:09 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 01 nov 14, 19:04:13, Diogene Laerce wrote: Hi, During the installation of some packages (iceweasel, open-ssl..), a disclaimer sometimes appears which one has to pass by using the q key of the keyboard. Not quite sure what you mean here, packages don't usually present any disclaimer[1]. Since you mention pressing 'q' it seems more like apt-listchanges presenting you the NEWS.Debian file. You could just remove it. Yes those are what I'm talking about : 'xcuse my french.. :) I didn't find any related NEWS.Debian execpt the NEWS.Debian.gz found in /usr/share/doc/apt/NEWS.Debian.gz : is it what you're talking about ? Thank you, regards -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
Once upon a time Scott Ferguson wrote: I'm asking why people keep insisting that systemd is bad *because it's not the UNIX way*. Looking at the big picture: Why are any of us here, using Linux in general and debian specifically? There is no shortage of major projects and industries working 'fine' on Windows so clearly it works, why aren't we all running Windows? Imagine for a moment a Windows advocate asking what is the list of bugs in Windows that makes me, or you, run Linux? Can't those bugs in Windows simply be identified and fixed and then we can all happily use Windows already and stop this Linux nonsense for good? I imagine, hopefully, that such a question is clearly ludicrous and obviously completely misses the point? I don't use Windows due to it having this or that bug! I don't use it because everything about it is dissonant with how my mind works. Like nails on chalkboard. UNIX, in any of its forms including Linux, is pure harmony though. I can't imagine I'm alone, isn't that why we're all here? Design philosophy matters, more than anything else really. debian has been my go-to distro personally and professionally for about 15 years now, because it is awesome. I want to spend another 15+ years together. But if systemd is allowed to take over I'll have to move on. It'll be a very sad day, but just like I can't sanely use Windows, systemd is out of the question for the exact same reasons. -- Jyri J. Virkki - Santa Cruz, CA -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102104447.gb6...@virkki.com
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On 11/02/2014 11:44 AM, Jyri J. Virkki wrote: Once upon a time Scott Ferguson wrote: I'm asking why people keep insisting that systemd is bad *because it's not the UNIX way*. Looking at the big picture: Why are any of us here, using Linux in general and debian specifically? There is no shortage of major projects and industries working 'fine' on Windows so clearly it works, why aren't we all running Windows? Imagine for a moment a Windows advocate asking what is the list of bugs in Windows that makes me, or you, run Linux? I think I saw a yottabit file like that somewhere.. -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Idea: Rename package `udev` to `systemd-udev`, plus new `udev` metapackage, to preserve freedom of choice of init systems.
On 02/11/14 01:37, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote: Thoughts?! As I understand it, eudev is intended to provide all of udev's externally-visible functionality in an interface-compatible way, so it seems to me that whoever packages eudev should *probably* be able to declare it to be an adequate replacement for udev simply by adding Provides: udev to the control file. (udev is not designated 'essential', so you don't need to do the elaborate dance that was done with the new 'init' metapackage.) (ObDisclaimer: I am not a Debian packager, so my understanding of Debian policy may be incomplete, and this isn't the best place for discussing Debian packaging anyway.) As for mdev: you need to talk to the Debian maintainer of busybox about that, since mdev is part of the busybox upstream source package. I will note that mdev should probably *not* be marked Provides: udev, since judging by this page on the gentoo wiki: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev it *isn't* an interface-compatible drop-in replacement for udev. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54561377.60...@zen.co.uk
Re: umask has no man page?
On 11/02/2014 at 03:23 AM, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/11/02 11:19 Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com: When I wanted the options for umask, I typed 'man umask' and got the man page for it as a C header diretive? (I'm not a C programmer, but it seemed to be for C header files and came from section 2.) This is darn confusing for a new user. I have been around long enough (slink) that I quickly realized it must be a Bash builtin and found that man page, but how would a beginner know that? Surely a symbolic link could be set up for umask as well as the others (bg, eval, fg, read, etc.)? Should I file this as a bug against Sid? I know there's no chance it will make it into Wheezy. Hmm. What do I get when I try to do a man umask? BASH_BUILTINS (1) I wonder why. I have a memory of doing something like installing a manpages package, but I'm not sure that was what did the trick, or it might have been mingw I did that on. Could you check with dlocate or similar to figure out where that came from? The closest man page I have to that is bash-builtins(7), which comes with the bash package, but is not the same as bash_builtins(1) - and does not have an umask(anything) symlink. Wheezy, FWIW. (And thanks to The Wanderer for reminding us about the help command. I keep forgetting that.) Heh. I think the reason I learned about it in a way which helps me keep remembering it myself is due to experimenting based on a line from the Draft of the UNIX Hierarchy, describing someone at one level of the hierarchy as having learned that learn doesn't help. I have never found a command called 'learn', or otherwise figured out what this might have been referring to, but it's memorable enough that the experimentation I did based on it is also easy to bring back to mind - and I'm pretty sure that I found 'help' while experimenting that way. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: HTML5 videos in Jessie
Hi Raju and thanks for your response! On 2014-Nov-01 18:42, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: Going through some old emails and I came across this. I am not sure if you solved this problem already. But I am replying anyway since this could be useful for others facing the same issue. I am able to the play videos in the above link using iceweasel. rajulocal@hogwarts:~$ dpkg -l iceweasel ii iceweasel31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1 amd64 Web browser based on Firefox My machine is a mixture of squeeze, wheezy, jessie. I'm still unable to play videos on that link. Iceweasel I'm using: dpkg -l iceweasel Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Architecture Description +++-=-=-=- ii iceweasel 31.1.0esr-1 amd64 Web browser based on Firefox I also tried to install release version from experimental repository[1] and got dpkg -l iceweasel Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Architecture Description +++-=-=-=- ii iceweasel 33.0-2amd64 Web browser based on Firefox Still doesn't work. I don't think this is related to Iceweasel version. [1]http://mozilla.debian.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102124134.ga1...@angelina.example.com
Re: hosts based open ssh authentication
On 01/11/14 05:50 PM, Bhasker C V wrote: Hi all I have a system in a cluster (experimental) and there are a lot of debian machines which depend on this system and must be able to ssh into this system I wanted password-less authentication and looked on the internet. Almost all the examples and help shown involves setting up ssh_known_hosts which I am trying to avoid (cumbersome in a large network where we dont know who will need access). Anyone got this working just plain without adding known hosts ? I do not want to add each and every host to ssh_known_host. Essentially I want to have an open access to one of the servers via ssh. I tried running sshd as root and adding auth sufficient pam_rootok.so to pam ssh and login but that did not help. Thanks Bhasker C V Trying hard to understand what you want but failing. It almost sounds like you want anyone to be able to connect (don't know who will need access want to have open to one of the servers) from anywhere (I do want to add each and every host to ssh_known_host). Which begs the question why use any kind of security? However, if you want to protect the network traffic, have you tried to use ssl/tls and close down the unencrypted access? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545629a1.1020...@torfree.net
Re: hosts based open ssh authentication
On 11/2/14, Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote: On 01/11/14 05:50 PM, Bhasker C V wrote: Hi all I have a system in a cluster (experimental) and there are a lot of debian machines which depend on this system and must be able to ssh into this system I wanted password-less authentication and looked on the internet. Almost all the examples and help shown involves setting up ssh_known_hosts which I am trying to avoid (cumbersome in a large network where we dont know who will need access). Anyone got this working just plain without adding known hosts ? I do not want to add each and every host to ssh_known_host. Essentially I want to have an open access to one of the servers via ssh. I tried running sshd as root and adding auth sufficient pam_rootok.so to pam ssh and login but that did not help. Thanks Bhasker C V Trying hard to understand what you want but failing. It almost sounds like you want anyone to be able to connect (don't know who will need access want to have open to one of the servers) from anywhere (I do want to add each and every host to ssh_known_host). Which begs the question why use any kind of security? However, if you want to protect the network traffic, have you tried to use ssl/tls and close down the unencrypted access? There is host-based authentication in sshd where users on one host are vouched for on another. It is a little fiddly to set up http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Cookbook/Host-based_Authentication but once in place it allows users to move seamlessly around in the pool of servers, assuming all the users / uids are the same throughout the pool. Regardless of whether you do that method or another, there will need to be some data synchornization. Are you using puppet, ansible or something similar? Regards, /Lars -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacq_q0dn9khx1vud0zp6ejyzhub61jz+3l+6qg_cqj6cl7a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: proofing searchable pdf files
There's a open source tool named OCRmyPDF which claims to do what you're trying to do: see https://github.com/fritz-hh/OCRmyPDF As far as I understand, it makes use of standard GNU/Linux software and produces a searchable pdf file (which implies in my understanding that the text is extractable). I haven't used this tool. Maybe, the source code could give you some hints. -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m35bvo$735$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: umask has no man page?
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 9:35 PM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 11/02/2014 at 03:23 AM, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/11/02 11:19 Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com: When I wanted the options for umask, I typed 'man umask' and got the man page for it as a C header diretive? (I'm not a C programmer, but it seemed to be for C header files and came from section 2.) This is darn confusing for a new user. I have been around long enough (slink) that I quickly realized it must be a Bash builtin and found that man page, but how would a beginner know that? Surely a symbolic link could be set up for umask as well as the others (bg, eval, fg, read, etc.)? Should I file this as a bug against Sid? I know there's no chance it will make it into Wheezy. Hmm. What do I get when I try to do a man umask? BASH_BUILTINS (1) I wonder why. I have a memory of doing something like installing a manpages package, but I'm not sure that was what did the trick, or it might have been mingw I did that on. Could you check with dlocate or similar to figure out where that came from? Hmm. Oh. This is not going to be generally useful, at all. man /usr/share/man/ja/man1/builtins.1.gz brings the page up for me. env LANG=en_US.UTF-8 man umask brings up the manual page from section 2, and env LANG=en_US.UTF-8 man 7 umask doesn't bring up anything here. man bash does, for either LANG . The closest man page I have to that is bash-builtins(7), which comes with the bash package, but is not the same as bash_builtins(1) - and does not have an umask(anything) symlink. Seems to be done, not by symlink, but in the man db. Wheezy, FWIW. (And thanks to The Wanderer for reminding us about the help command. I keep forgetting that.) Heh. I think the reason I learned about it in a way which helps me keep remembering it myself is due to experimenting based on a line from the Draft of the UNIX Hierarchy, describing someone at one level of the hierarchy as having learned that learn doesn't help. I have never found a command called 'learn', or otherwise figured out what this might have been referring to, but it's memorable enough that the experimentation I did based on it is also easy to bring back to mind - and I'm pretty sure that I found 'help' while experimenting that way. I think there was an OS back way back when, that had a learn command. (As in, I want to `learn' about topic /.) Don't remember which, though. Or it might have been an app. -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well.
Re: umask has no man page?
On 11/02/2014 at 10:12 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 9:35 PM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 11/02/2014 at 03:23 AM, Joel Rees wrote: Hmm. What do I get when I try to do a man umask? BASH_BUILTINS (1) I wonder why. I have a memory of doing something like installing a manpages package, but I'm not sure that was what did the trick, or it might have been mingw I did that on. Could you check with dlocate or similar to figure out where that came from? Hmm. Oh. This is not going to be generally useful, at all. man /usr/share/man/ja/man1/builtins.1.gz brings the page up for me. Ah. That's provided by manpages-ja, which I do not have installed. (Translations are also in manpages-es-extra and manpages-zh, under appropriate language-specific paths.) I do get something from 'man builtins', but it's that same bash-builtins(7) page as before. That's due to a symlink from the alternatives system, presumably installed alongside bash-builtins.7.gz itself. env LANG=en_US.UTF-8 man umask brings up the manual page from section 2, and env LANG=en_US.UTF-8 man 7 umask doesn't bring up anything here. Similarly here, in both cases. The closest man page I have to that is bash-builtins(7), which comes with the bash package, but is not the same as bash_builtins(1) - and does not have an umask(anything) symlink. Seems to be done, not by symlink, but in the man db. What leads you to that conclusion? AFAIK, if 'man xyz' brings up a man page from section 1, then there is an xyz.1 or xyz.1.gz somewhere in the manual search paths (which I think are defined in /etc/manpath.config). Since 'man umask' brings up 'BASH_BUILTINS(1)' for you, there must be a umask.1 or umask.1.gz somewhere, which presumably either is a copy of or is a symlink to builtins.1.gz. If that doesn't follow, then there must be something about manual structure which I don't even know I don't understand. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Mount order after systemd update
Dear all After switching to systemd, I would like to get back the following behavior: Mount multiple lvm-crypt volumes with password entry on startup. Mount several loopback devices from files within these volumes. With sysvinit, I had put the mount order into /etc/fstab and everything worked as expected. After switching to systemd, mount operations seem to be spawned in parallel. This has the following consequences: 1) I am never sure which device requests password entry first. Therefore, password choice is a gamble. Furthermore, password entry on startup looks weird because some weird red moving stars are shown instead of a prompt. 2) If I wait for some time before entering all passwords then some kind of timeout seems to kick in and the volume is not mounted at all. It is actually hard to enter everything without any timeout. 3) If a loopback device is mounted before a preceding encrypted device then it obviously fails. However, this prevents correct startup and gives me an emergency console. This is probably a configuration issue. However, I was not able to find a good solution with google (between all the systemd rants). I can think of the following alternative solutions (without switching back to sysvinit): * Disable concurrency in mount operations, i.e. mounts go in order through the devices in etc/fstab and wait for each other without a fixed timeout. * Set up a precedence graph for concurrent mounts with timeout options on the edges. Do you know an easy(!) way to achieve one of these solutions or is there a better way of getting things fixed? Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102161705.4cf67aef@Fuddel
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On 11/02/2014 05:17 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: I don't think we have universal agreement that systemd violates the (rather nebulous) (Well, engineering principles do tend to _appear_ nebulous, I suppose.) To a lot of engineers as well. :( UNIX philosophy, True. Kind of like there was a time when Newton's description of gravity was not universally accepted. I wouldn't go as far as conflating natural and applied sciences. Unix philosophy is just a verbal description of the ways that principles of engineering apply in software. It is not yet well formulated. I'd say it's more of an application of computer science that works for academia and internet projects, but maybe not so well for industry. Projects out of industry tend to be monolithic, for various reasons, but most use modular Unix components. It's a good symbiosis and I don't want to discourage it by sounding dogmatic about Unix philosophy. This applies to systemd as well. Modularity once looked like the paradigm, but we discovered that modularity was also not easy to get our hands on. Lots of ways to partition a design into modules, even given the focus on character processing and use of filters in pipes. Objects, patterns, etc., and we keep finding new ways to look at the principles, and we keep finding contexts in which those ways of looking at the principles don't apply. Good design is as much an art as a science, and most of the principles are communicated by tradition. Each side dressing up their arguments with jargon just adds to the confusion. This article says much better than I ever could: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread. at least any more egregiously than the kernel, Well, we know the kernel is significantly more monolithic than it might be. Part of the reason Linus still has work to do is that it takes time to figure out how to partition the kernel into modules that work well with each other. See http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=65915curpostid=65915 Getting it running was important, once people started using it. Now the devs spend a lot of their time trying to find new ways to make the kernel conform to principles of engineering. If I understand what Linus is saying there, a lot of it is hardware limitations, and he has no choice. huge snip -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54565187.5030...@ix.netcom.com
Re: umask has no man page?
On 02/11/14 05:58, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, 2014-11-02 at 14:17 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Succinct! man pam_umask? That is not a solution to the original question I asked, unless you alias it to man umask. You don't _type_ pam_umask. Carl Perhaps apropos is your friend here? :$ apropos umask pam_umask (8)- PAM module to set the file mode creation mask -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545652fd.1090...@thargoid.co.uk
Re: umask has no man page?
On 11/02/2014 at 10:51 AM, Iain M Conochie wrote: On 02/11/14 05:58, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, 2014-11-02 at 14:17 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Succinct! man pam_umask? That is not a solution to the original question I asked, unless you alias it to man umask. You don't _type_ pam_umask. Perhaps apropos is your friend here? :$ apropos umask pam_umask (8)- PAM module to set the file mode creation mask Even better than my suggestion. Thanks for the reminder about this. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: umask has no man page?
Joel Rees writes: I think there was an OS back way back when, that had a learn command. (As in, I want to `learn' about topic /.) Don't remember which, though. Or it might have been an app. UNIX: http://itservices.usc.edu/unix/commands/learn/ -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87egtlsha4@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: Mount order after systemd update
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 16:40:02 +0100 Martin Manns mma...@gmx.net wrote: After switching to systemd, I would like to get back the following behavior: Sorry, I forgot: I am running Debian unstable (i386) systemd 215-5+b1 cryptsetup 2:1.6.6-3 lvm2 2.02.111-2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102171721.3a643a21@Fuddel
Re: Mount order after systemd update
Am Sonntag, 2. November 2014, 16:17:05 schrieb Martin Manns: Dear all Hi Martin, After switching to systemd, I would like to get back the following behavior: Mount multiple lvm-crypt volumes with password entry on startup. Mount several loopback devices from files within these volumes. With sysvinit, I had put the mount order into /etc/fstab and everything worked as expected. How so? In fstab in the column pass you can only specify the fsck order, not the mount order. After switching to systemd, mount operations seem to be spawned in parallel. This has the following consequences: Asking to find out whether this is a regression or just a different behavior. Did you also check debian-user and debian-user-german threads, I think lvm- crypt + systemd has been discussed several times. Don´t know whether mutiple mounts have been a topic tough. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1632526.ilQ4grhy9I@merkaba
Re: Mount order after systemd update
Le Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:17:05 +0100, Martin Manns mma...@gmx.net a écrit : Dear all Hello, After switching to systemd, I would like to get back the following behavior: Mount multiple lvm-crypt volumes with password entry on startup. Mount several loopback devices from files within these volumes. With sysvinit, I had put the mount order into /etc/fstab and everything worked as expected. Wild guess here, you should try to set the use_lvmetad to 1 in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf and see if it helps. After switching to systemd, mount operations seem to be spawned in parallel. This has the following consequences: 1) I am never sure which device requests password entry first. Therefore, password choice is a gamble. Furthermore, password entry on startup looks weird because some weird red moving stars are shown instead of a prompt. For this issue I would suggest to install plymouth, it should serialized the output on the console and allow you to have a better idea of what's happening on the console. 2) If I wait for some time before entering all passwords then some kind of timeout seems to kick in and the volume is not mounted at all. It is actually hard to enter everything without any timeout. See systemd.mount(5) manpage, there is a way to increase the timeout. 3) If a loopback device is mounted before a preceding encrypted device then it obviously fails. However, this prevents correct startup and gives me an emergency console. I guess you could write a .mount unit file if lvmetad is not helping, you should be able to express dependencies there. Cheers, Laurent Bigonville -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102175125.6519a...@fornost.bigon.be
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On 2014-11-02, lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote: Some people still have common sense and/or don't go along with everything the car manufacturers and sales people are trying to sell them. If the reception of what they make or try to sell frustrates the manufacturers or sales people, perhaps they'd be happier to re-design the product. Still, they don't call it a horse and buggy for nothing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm5cpcm.24l.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: umask has no man page?
On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 03:51:25PM +, Iain M Conochie wrote: On 02/11/14 05:58, Carl Fink wrote: On Sun, 2014-11-02 at 14:17 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Succinct! man pam_umask? That is not a solution to the original question I asked, unless you alias it to man umask. You don't _type_ pam_umask. Carl Perhaps apropos is your friend here? :$ apropos umask pam_umask (8)- PAM module to set the file mode creation mask As I said in the original, I found it almost immediately. However, doesn't the Debian policy manual require a man page for every program? Wouldn't that lead users to try the man system to get help on every command, since a new or non-technical user would have no way to know that umask or read or fg is not a program but a personality of Bash? So why _not_ have a man page for them? -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102171756.ga5...@panix.com
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread. Required reading because of what? In order to learn what an arrogant and insulting pamphlet looks like? I doubt that using the word dumb three times in the first few sentences is an intelligent way of convincing anybody of anything. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m35qpm$3k2$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Mount order after systemd update
Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org wrote: Le Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:17:05 +0100, Martin Manns mma...@gmx.net a écrit : 1) I am never sure which device requests password entry first. Therefore, password choice is a gamble. Furthermore, password entry on startup looks weird because some weird red moving stars are shown instead of a prompt. For this issue I would suggest to install plymouth, it should serialized the output on the console and allow you to have a better idea of what's happening on the console. Important note on plymouth: It is _not_ (only) for a graphical themed boot, contrary to popular belief. Only and only if you decide to install one of the plymouth-theme packages this feature will be active. To have a serialized console output it is sufficient to just install the plymouth package and nothing else. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2b48elhm5...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: Mount order after systemd update
On 11/02/2014 at 12:32 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org wrote: Le Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:17:05 +0100, Martin Manns mma...@gmx.net a écrit : 1) I am never sure which device requests password entry first. Therefore, password choice is a gamble. Furthermore, password entry on startup looks weird because some weird red moving stars are shown instead of a prompt. For this issue I would suggest to install plymouth, it should serialized the output on the console and allow you to have a better idea of what's happening on the console. Important note on plymouth: It is _not_ (only) for a graphical themed boot, contrary to popular belief. Only and only if you decide to install one of the plymouth-theme packages this feature will be active. To have a serialized console output it is sufficient to just install the plymouth package and nothing else. It would be nice if there were some indication of this in the package description; when I looked at it after it was brought up in this thread, I rejected the idea of installing it (if I should ever be in a situation like the one described) out of hand, specifically because I don't want any graphical-boot behaviors. Plus I *do* want the text messages that normally get shown to appear during boot. I would hope that having them hidden and redirected to a log file would be optional, but if so, then apparently *everything* described in the package description is optional... which leaves no clear idea of what the package itself, at its core, actually is or does. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Mount order after systemd update
Le 02/11/2014 18:32, Sven Hartge a écrit : Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org wrote: Le Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:17:05 +0100, Martin Manns mma...@gmx.net a écrit : 1) I am never sure which device requests password entry first. Therefore, password choice is a gamble. Furthermore, password entry on startup looks weird because some weird red moving stars are shown instead of a prompt. For this issue I would suggest to install plymouth, it should serialized the output on the console and allow you to have a better idea of what's happening on the console. Important note on plymouth: It is _not_ (only) for a graphical themed boot, contrary to popular belief. Only and only if you decide to install one of the plymouth-theme packages this feature will be active. To have a serialized console output it is sufficient to just install the plymouth package and nothing else. Grüße, Sven. Thats NOT what is said in the pacakge description : Description-en: Graphical Boot Animation and Logger Plymouth provides an attractive boot animation in place of the text messages that normally get shown. Text messages are instead redirected to a logfile for viewing after boot. Which is consistent with upstream http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth/ What is Plymouth? Plymouth is an application that runs very early in the boot process (even before the root filesystem is mounted!) that provides a graphical boot animation while the boot process happens in the background. Sorry, I don't give a dam about blinking mickeys while booting, I want to see the messages. ALL the messages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/545670c3.3070...@rail.eu.org
/sys readonly with backports kernel 3.16
Hi together, I switched from the Wheezy stable kernel to the latest kernel in backports (3.16.3-2~bpo70+1). Now I can not write-mount /sys any more, thus I can not trigger RAID check actions, etc. I tried remounting it (mount -o remount -w /sys), but I can not get it to be writable. Is this intended in the new kernel version or is just some new config option missing? Greets, Dennis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5456745e.9090...@lists.nexxes.org
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On 11/02/2014 12:46 PM, Peter Nieman wrote: On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread. Required reading because of what? In order to learn what an arrogant and insulting pamphlet looks like? I doubt that using the word dumb three times in the first few sentences is an intelligent way of convincing anybody of anything. Way more meta than I intended, but I think it's mostly because of politics, sloganeering, fanboyism and something that looks a bit like cult of mac all of which are pretty dumb by my definition, which may be why I didn't notice that. As for how the article applies to the topic, perfect Jessie would be one where subjects are discussed on their merits leading to adequate solutions for users of all supported init systems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54567812.4010...@ix.netcom.com
Re: umask has no man page?
snip Perhaps apropos is your friend here? :$ apropos umask pam_umask (8)- PAM module to set the file mode creation mask As I said in the original, I found it almost immediately. However, doesn't the Debian policy manual require a man page for every program? Not being a DD or DM I cannot possibly comment on this. However: $: which umask $: So umask is _not_ a program (in the sense that there is no binary called umask on the system) Wouldn't that lead users to try the man system to get help on every command, since a new or non-technical user would have no way to know that umask or read or fg is not a program but a personality of Bash? So why _not_ have a man page for them? I guess because they are not programs (in the above sense). However this is but a guess. IMO the man system needs you to know what you are looking for. If you do not know umask is a shell builtin then I guess the man system can let you down. Hence apropos, as this, at least, will search for appropriate man pages. One more command to learn perhaps? Cheers Iain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54567a4c.2060...@thargoid.co.uk
Re: Mount order after systemd update
Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 02/11/2014 18:32, Sven Hartge a écrit : Important note on plymouth: It is _not_ (only) for a graphical themed boot, contrary to popular belief. Only and only if you decide to install one of the plymouth-theme packages this feature will be active. To have a serialized console output it is sufficient to just install the plymouth package and nothing else. Thats NOT what is said in the pacakge description : I know. The package description is lacking crucial information and the web page isn't any better. See http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Plymouth_is_not_a_bootsplash/ (Vorlon is Steve Langasek.) , | Plymouth provides a splash screen, but that's not what plymouth is. What | plymouth is, is a boot-time I/O multiplexer. And why, you ask, would | upstart - or mountall, whose job is just to get the filesystem mounted | at boot - need a boot-time I/O multiplexer? ` , | Enter plymouth, which provides the framework for serializing requests to | the user while booting. It can provide a graphical boot splash, yes; | ironically, even its own homepage suggests that this is its purpose. But | it can also provide a text-only console interface, which is what you get | automatically when booting without a splash boot argument, or even | handle I/O over a serial console. ` Grüße, S° -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3b48htom5...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: Mount order after systemd update
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 18:10:03 +0100 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: After switching to systemd, I would like to get back the following behavior: Mount multiple lvm-crypt volumes with password entry on startup. Mount several loopback devices from files within these volumes. With sysvinit, I had put the mount order into /etc/fstab and everything worked as expected. How so? In fstab in the column pass you can only specify the fsck order, not the mount order. Just by stating the devices in the correct order. With sysvinit, password entries have always followed this order (verified on 3 systems). After switching to systemd, mount operations seem to be spawned in parallel. This has the following consequences: Asking to find out whether this is a regression or just a different behavior. Did you also check debian-user and debian-user-german threads, I think lvm- crypt + systemd has been discussed several times. Don´t know whether mutiple mounts have been a topic tough. I have tried debian-user, but I have not found the time to go through all of the systemd hits many of which are systemd vs sysvinit discussions. Doing all this reading, I have not found anything that solves my issue. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102193355.4bfacfad@Fuddel
Re: What to do with dead raid 1 partitions under mdadm
mett m...@pmars.jp writes: Hi, I'm running Squeeze under raid 1 with mdadm. One of the raid failed and I replace it with space I had available on that same disk. Today, when rebooting I got an error cause the boot flag was still on both partitions(sdb1 and sdb3 below). I used the rescue part of the debian installer CD to remove the boot flag with fdisk, and now everything is working. My question is what to do with the dead raid partition on that disk (sdb1 and sdb2 below)? Replace the failed disk. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/878ujt3d2e@gulltop.yagibdah.de
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: On 11/01/2014 at 10:20 PM, lee wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes: Miles Fidelman wrote: Right. This sounds more and more like we're going to rewrite the rules, and if you don't like it, we're taking our ball and going home. Various people have tried to explain how a binary distribution like Debian works (build packages with all options included by defauls) and how shared libraries work on Linux (all the libraries need to be there to satisfy symbol resolution at run time, even if none of the code is ever used). When those explanations fell on deaf ears, people have resorted to analogy. That was clearly a waste of time too. Appreciating and understanding an explanation doesn't mean that someone who appreciates the explanation and understands it comes to the same conclusions or opinions about what has been explained. Your car manufacturer and the sales people can give you all kinds of explanations about why you'd be forced to never take off the trailer and keep telling you that the rules demand it to remain hooked up all the time. That doesn't mean that you like the idea or that you would buy the car. One difference is that these are not invented or imposed rules; they are an essential and pretty-much inherently unavoidable part of the way dynamic-shared-library software *works*. You're looking at it from a technical point and find things are working correctly. This technical point isn't really what I'm concerned about. I'm merely saying that it is going too far when you need to have a (systemd) library installed only to tell software X that something (systemd) isn't running, which leads to software X depending on something (systemd) you don't even have installed. Call it bad design if you like. Even when something works fine, that doesn't mean that the design of it is any good. To get an overall sane and decent outcome, you need to consider a lot more than whether something is technically working or not. The car with the mandatory trailer from the analogy is technically working fine. You're wondering why nobody buys it. For potential buyers, it's very obvious why don't buy it. They /expect/ it to work technically fine, like every other new car they consider buying, so this point is rather irrelevant. It's more releavant to them, for example, that they can park in their garage, which they can't because the trailer doesn't fit. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/871tpl2x86@gulltop.yagibdah.de
Re: Mount order after systemd update
I have tried to get Zfsonlinux , sid, systemd, Luks encrypted storage devices and /var /home or /usr on zfs as part of /etc/fstab. It seems like pick any four out of the five is the best I can do. Tried Plymouth without it seeming to help. On November 2, 2014 1:33:55 PM EST, Martin Manns mma...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 18:10:03 +0100 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: After switching to systemd, I would like to get back the following behavior: Mount multiple lvm-crypt volumes with password entry on startup. Mount several loopback devices from files within these volumes. With sysvinit, I had put the mount order into /etc/fstab and everything worked as expected. How so? In fstab in the column pass you can only specify the fsck order, not the mount order. Just by stating the devices in the correct order. With sysvinit, password entries have always followed this order (verified on 3 systems). After switching to systemd, mount operations seem to be spawned in parallel. This has the following consequences: Asking to find out whether this is a regression or just a different behavior. Did you also check debian-user and debian-user-german threads, I think lvm- crypt + systemd has been discussed several times. Don´t know whether mutiple mounts have been a topic tough. I have tried debian-user, but I have not found the time to go through all of the systemd hits many of which are systemd vs sysvinit discussions. Doing all this reading, I have not found anything that solves my issue. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102193355.4bfacfad@Fuddel
/etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules
Until recently
# The black Kingston SDHC card.
KERNEL==mmcblk?p1, ATTR{size}==7626752, SYMLINK+=BlackSDHC1, \
OWNER=peter, GROUP=users
in /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules produced /dev/BlackSDHC1.
Now that doesn't work although, if the part is labeled, it
is automounted at /media/label.
No error message appears with interactive udevadm trigger.
No error message is visible in /var/log/syslog.
Ideas? Thanks, ... Peter E.
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Re: HTML5 videos in Jessie
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Proxy proxy-...@mail.ru wrote: Still doesn't work. I don't think this is related to Iceweasel version. That is my guess. But I also do not know which package/version could be triggering this problem for you. Also, did you install any extensions to the iceweasel? If so, try disabling them and see if you can reproduce the issue. Try running iceweasel -safe-mode and see if the problem is reproducible? FWIW, here is the list of packages I have installed on my system https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-OMw5Fsje3kQjNiSVZlM080Y1U/view?usp=sharing raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/
Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:46 AM, Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote: On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread. Required reading because of what? In order to learn what an arrogant and insulting pamphlet looks like? I doubt that using the word dumb three times in the first few sentences is an intelligent way of convincing anybody of anything. You exaggerate a little. Once in the first paragraph, disparaging the concept of forking debian. Forking debian is pretty thoroughly less than optimal, don't you think? Twice more in the fifth paragraph, disparaging the extremist arguments on both sides of the debate. Not so much the arguers, although he does take a few digs at personality further down. Required? By whom is a good question. Useful, no matter which side you take? I think so, although extremists on either side of the debate will likely find it irritating: -quote- This is not meant as an indictment on systemd proponents, but rather to show one thing: the systemd debate is rarely a technical argument for either side, instead it is an ideological and cultural war waged by two opposing demographics that inhabit the same general sphere of Linux and FOSS. ... ... A lot of systemd opponents will express their opinions regarding a supposed takeover of the Linux ecosystem by systemd, as its auxiliaries (all requiring governance by the systemd init) expose APIs, which are then used by various software in the desktop stack, creating dependency chains between it and systemd that the opponents deemed unwarranted. ... Opponents see this as anti-competitive behavior and liken it to “embrace, extend, extinguish”. They often exaggerate and go all out with their vitriol though, as they start to contemplate shadowy backroom conspiracies at Red Hat -quote- And it continues in the same vein, pointing out, much to the apparent distress of extremists, that bad arguments are being used on both sides of the debate. It is not unmitigated praise of systemd proponents. Neither is it any sort of defense of the anti-systemd crowd. It's rather blunt from the top, but the reasoning is good and it is balanced. So it's going to be hated by extremists on both sides ... except for some extremists like myself, who really don't like what has happened, but also really want the bad arguments cleared out of the way so we can get back to work. And it's better worded than anything I've been able to write. I'll agree, everyone who wants to continue discussing or debating systemd should read it. Not because it shows how wrong you guys all are (on both sides), but because systemd isn't going away any time soon and we need to put the dumb arguments _on_ _both_ _sides_ away and focus our time on finding ways to make debian's efforts to allow multiple inits going forward to work. And for those who want the systemd-less so clean that it doesn't even include stubs to satisfy linking dependencies, we are going to have to roll up our sleeves and re-re-factor some of the packages involved. It's going to take some work and some stubbornness, but that's what open source is all about. And we probably should be a little less prickly about it when we give our patches to the devs. -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caar43im0vhaj0yqurxvujhgg0z0jeqdtda9nnjt_ggmynlu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: umask has no man page?
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:26 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 11/02/2014 at 10:12 AM, Joel Rees wrote: [...] Seems to be done, not by symlink, but in the man db. What leads you to that conclusion? AFAIK, if 'man xyz' brings up a man page from section 1, then there is an xyz.1 or xyz.1.gz somewhere in the manual search paths (which I think are defined in /etc/manpath.config). Since 'man umask' brings up 'BASH_BUILTINS(1)' for you, there must be a umask.1 or umask.1.gz somewhere, which presumably either is a copy of or is a symlink to builtins.1.gz. If that doesn't follow, then there must be something about manual structure which I don't even know I don't understand. Well, $ find /usr/ -name *umask* /usr/lib/perl/5.14.2/auto/POSIX/umask.al /usr/share/man/man2/umask.2.gz /usr/share/man/man3/getumask.3.gz /usr/share/man/man8/pam_umask.8.gz /usr/share/man/ja/man2/umask.2.gz /usr/share/man/ja/man3/getumask.3.gz /usr/share/ri/1.9.1/system/Shell/umask-i.ri /usr/share/ri/1.9.1/system/File/umask-c.ri /usr/share/ri/1.8/system/Shell/CommandProcessor/effect_umask-i.yaml /usr/share/ri/1.8/system/File/umask-c.yaml find: `/usr/share/doc/google-chrome-stable': 許可がありません /usr/share/doc/fp-docs/2.6.0/rtl/baseunix/fpumask.html /usr/share/doc/fp-docs/2.6.0/rtl/oldlinux/syscall_nr_umask.html /usr/share/doc/fp-docs/2.6.0/rtl/oldlinux/umask.html find: `/usr/local/lost+found': 許可がありません find: `/usr/lost+found': 許可がありません I don't see any symbolic links. -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iNGF=ANL2hQuZV9xeRtO+vB3oQ_-dwjnWJAyuftd=t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Re: umask has no man page?
Iain M Conochie writes: However: $: which umask $: So umask is _not_ a program (in the sense that there is no binary called umask on the system) zsh, however, is more helpful: $ which umask umask: shell built-in command Alexis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/877fzduh3v@gmail.com
Re: umask has no man page?
On 11/02/2014 at 09:44 PM, Joel Rees wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 12:26 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 11/02/2014 at 10:12 AM, Joel Rees wrote: Seems to be done, not by symlink, but in the man db. What leads you to that conclusion? AFAIK, if 'man xyz' brings up a man page from section 1, then there is an xyz.1 or xyz.1.gz somewhere in the manual search paths (which I think are defined in /etc/manpath.config). Since 'man umask' brings up 'BASH_BUILTINS(1)' for you, there must be a umask.1 or umask.1.gz somewhere, which presumably either is a copy of or is a symlink to builtins.1.gz. If that doesn't follow, then there must be something about manual structure which I don't even know I don't understand. Well, $ find /usr/ -name *umask* snip I don't see any symbolic links. ...hmmm. You might be able to find something out from 'man -d umask', and examining the resulting debugging output... it seems to indicate exactly what file it ends up using, and what path it takes in figuring out what file to use. Though the output is not exactly user-friendly, being intended for debug-time developer use. (The important thing is not the absence of a symbolic link, but the absence of anything at all by the name of umask.1 or umask.1.gz. If no such thing is present, then I have no clue how man is even finding a page to show you...) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules
On Nov 2, 2014 6:03 PM, pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
Until recently
# The black Kingston SDHC card.
KERNEL==mmcblk?p1, ATTR{size}==7626752, SYMLINK+=BlackSDHC1, \
OWNER=peter, GROUP=users
in /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules produced /dev/BlackSDHC1.
Now that doesn't work although, if the part is labeled, it
is automounted at /media/label.
lsusb -v
Everything must match the same set.
No error message appears with interactive udevadm trigger.
No error message is visible in /var/log/syslog.
Of course not - the rule is structured correctly and it could match for
another device.
Re: umask has no man page?
Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com writes: When I wanted the options for umask, I typed 'man umask' and got the man page for it as a C header diretive? (I'm not a C programmer, but it seemed to be for C header files and came from section 2.) This is darn confusing for a new user. I have been around long enough (slink) that I quickly realized it must be a Bash builtin and found that man page, but how would a beginner know that? Surely a symbolic link could be set up for umask as well as the others (bg, eval, fg, read, etc.)? Should I file this as a bug against Sid? I know there's no chance it will make it into Wheezy. The underlying problem is that umask isn't a standalone command, it's a shell builtin. So if you look at the bash manpage you can find the (very terse) documention; of course, there's no hint anywhere that you should do that. Just as for (looking at some other builtins) ulimit, unalias, unset -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1b38a1dkq6@pfeifferfamily.net
Re: umask has no man page?
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 11:57 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: [...] You might be able to find something out from 'man -d umask', and examining the resulting debugging output... it seems to indicate exactly what file it ends up using, and what path it takes in figuring out what file to use. Though the output is not exactly user-friendly, being intended for debug-time developer use. (The important thing is not the absence of a symbolic link, but the absence of anything at all by the name of umask.1 or umask.1.gz. If no such thing is present, then I have no clue how man is even finding a page to show you...) Starting about line 120: - --priv_drop_count = 0 searching in /usr/share/man/ja, section 1 trying section 1 with globbing Layout is GNU (1) update_directory_cache /usr/share/man/ja: miss globbing pattern in /usr/share/man/ja: man1* matched: /usr/share/man/ja/man1 update_directory_cache /usr/share/man/ja/man1: miss globbing pattern in /usr/share/man/ja/man1: umask.1* update_directory_cache /usr/share/man/ja: hit globbing pattern in /usr/share/man/ja: cat1* Succeeded in opening /var/cache/man/ja/index.db O_RDONLY found 2 names/extensions multi key lookup (umask2) multi key lookup (umask1) ult_src: File /usr/share/man/ja/man1/builtins.1.gz in mantree /usr/share/man/ja -- Then more searching, finding umask.2.gz in man/ja/man2 and man/man2 and doing some precedence calculation, then, around line 457, -- trying a db located file. name: umask sec. ext: 1 section: 1 comp. ext: gz id:C st_mtime 1339329350 pointer: builtins filter:- whatis: builtins: relying on whatis refs is deprecated Checking physical location: /usr/share/man/ja/man1/builtins.1.gz ult_src: File /usr/share/man/ja/man1/builtins.1.gz in mantree /usr/share/man/ja found ultimate source file /usr/share/man/ja/man1/builtins.1.gz found lang dir element ja -- and it proceeds to convert and format. Heh. Inquiring minds wanted to know. :) (Thanks. I'll have to remember the -d option.) -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Look first in your own heart, and ask yourself if you are not your own worst enemy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caar43iphfa+zde3psfdtgbsyqauemxaholoxfgqsyytdbv+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: umask has no man page?
Joe Pfeiffer writes:
The underlying problem is that umask isn't a standalone command, it's a
shell builtin. So if you look at the bash manpage you can find the
(very terse) documention; of course, there's no hint anywhere that you
should do that. Just as for (looking at some other builtins) ulimit,
unalias, unset
It seems to me a simple Perl script might do the trick here? For
example, imagine a script called 'dhelp':
--- BEGIN ---
#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use Term::ReadKey;
my $shell = $ENV{'SHELL'};
my $cmd = $ARGV[0];
open(my $fh, '-|', $shell -c 'type $cmd')
or die Couldn't start $shell: $!;
while ($fh) {
if (/builtin/) {
print $cmd is a $shell builtin; press any key for $shell man page
\n;
ReadMode 'cbreak';
my $key = ReadKey(0);
ReadMode 'normal';
system('man', $shell);
} elsif (/alias/) {
print $_\n;
} elsif (/\//) {
system('man', $cmd);
}
}
--- END ---
Then the user could type e.g.:
$ dhelp umask
and get told it's a builtin before being sent to the shell man page, or
could type:
$ dhelp whoami
and be sent straight to the man page for whoami(1).
Obviously the above needs to proper input and error handling, and
handling of the different forms the output of 'type' can take in
different shells, but wouldn't something like the above be easiest for
maintainers, and useful for end-users?
Alexis.
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Re: Camera SD card mounting problems (defined by systemd)
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 20:10:01 +0100 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com wrote: I see from other messages in this thread that I'm not the only person to think it equally ludicrous to have a workflow that involves rebooting the entire machine just to mount and unmount a removable block device. Indeed, even editing /etc/fstab doesn't need to be part of such a workflow. Just mark the entry as non-automatic (also correcting your spelling mistake that is the root of your problem here, of course) That was only to mount not unmount. For one thing I don't use this removable block device AKA the SD card enough to have it interfere with my precious workflow. As far as the 'incorrect' spelling of the device, that was only misspelled after systemd came into the picture. That line was read in /etc/fstab with no problems (for years) before it became misspelled. I've already corrected the offending spelling of the device and used the NON systemd methodology as recommended by The Wanderer and Martin Read, preempting your delicate sensibilities. So all is well. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cboknlf7e...@mid.individual.net
Re: advies over ssd in Jessie
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 09:17:01PM +0100, Frank Voncken wrote: Beste allen, Ik heb eerder vanmiddag Jessie met Gnome over Wheezy geïnstalleerd (verse installatie, voor de zekerheid gezien systemd). Nu heb ik in mijn oude laptop zowel ssd en hdd. Ik had al lang geleden Wheezy getweaked voor maximale performance en optimale levensduur van ssd. Nu ziet fstab in Jessie iets anders uit dan in Wheezy: # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). # # file system mount point type options dump pass # / was on /dev/sdb1 during installation UUID=4fe183a8-11d7-4b19-b96f-b13be067c77b / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 # swap was on /dev/sdb5 during installation UUID=d9320fd0-fff1-48e8-a2cd-aac0ee1d78e2 noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/sr0/media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 /dev/disk/by-uuid/e81a7f70-5b6e-4d25-b861-a7eaa23ffb5c /mnt/e81a7f70-5b6e-4d25-b861-a7eaa23ffb5c auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0 sdb is mijn ssd (een Samsung 830). Ziet deze fstab goed uit, of moet er een en andere aangepast worden? Een discard toevoegen direct achter error=remount-ro? Of gaat het in systemd anders (ik lees op forums hier wat verhalen over andere relatie tussen systemd en fstab)? systemd parset je fstab op een andere manier dan sysv-rc, maar dat wil niet zeggen dat het daarom ander resultaat zou hebben (ttz, als er ander resultaat is is dat een bug). De discard optie is iets wat je voor SSDs inderdaad wilt aanzetten, anders krijg je snel veel write amplification. Ik heb zo een SSD ooit op 6 maanden tijd versleten. -- It is easy to love a country that is famous for chocolate and beer -- Barack Obama, speaking in Brussels, Belgium, 2014-03-26 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-dutch-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141102084103.ga16...@grep.be
