Re: user can exec the xset, in his crontab, its 100% failure

2015-03-21 Thread Gene Heskett


On Saturday 21 March 2015 05:18:18 Reco wrote:
  Hi.

 On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 05:02:53 -0400

 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  Greetings;
 
  Running a wheezy based linux here.
 
  While I as a user can use xset to remind the system of the monitors
  dpms controls, an identical entry in my crontab results in an email
  that it could not open my 0:0 display.

 Since cron should strip out every environment variable from whatever
 its told to run - that's to be expected.

  So I cannot script this reminder.

 You can. All you need to do is to define the needed DISPLAY and
 XAUTHORITY in the script itself.

 I.e.

 #!/bin/sh
 export DISPLAY=:0.0
It will not install, claiming bad minute
 export XAUTHORITY=your XAuthority goes here
 xset +foo -bar

 Reco

This what I have, but it will not install

#!/bin/sh
export DISPLAY=:0:0
export XAUTHORITY=/home/gene/.Xauthority
# m h  dom mon dow   command
*/5 * * * * /home/gene/bin/makesig
30 0 * * * /home/gene/bin/sa-train-bayes
01 * * * *  xset -display 0:0 +dpms
02 * * * *  xset -display 0:0 dpms 300 0 600

error msg on quitting nano:

crontab: installing new crontab
/tmp/crontab.O2BPk0/crontab:1: bad minute
errors in crontab file, can't install.

Its probably obvious, but I can't see why it fails.

Thank you Reco
 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: customize ligthdm manager

2015-03-21 Thread Petter Adsen
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:59:57 + (UTC)
Liam O'Toole liam.p.oto...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 2015-03-20, Abdelkader Belahcene abelahc...@gmail.com wrote:
  --089e012277468313560511b679c4
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
  Hi everybody,
 
 
 
  I want to enter from a local machine using  lightdm manager,  to a
  remote server
  using XDMCP.
 
  I do it with a thin client, I mean on a thin client I have the list
  of all servers running XDMCP.
  I  want to do the same,  from an old PC that I want to  use as a
  simple terminal.
 
 What software is running on the thin client?
 
 
  unfortunatly, in the login window I have only local accounts on my
  local machine,
 
  is it  possible to customize the login window of lightdm to allow
  access to a remote server running XDMCP?
  thanks for help
  best regards
 
 I'm not aware of a way of doing that with lightdm. The old gdm2 used
 to have that feature, but that's long gone. You can still access an
 XDMCP server directly by running 'X -query server' in a VT.

Just to add to that, you can also do it in a window with Xnest. I know
there is also something similar called Xephyr, but I'm not really sure
what's different about it.

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Re: customize ligthdm manager

2015-03-21 Thread Alexis


On 2015-03-21T18:55:50+1100, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no said:

PA Just to add to that, you can also do it in a window with 
Xnest. I PA know there is also something similar called Xephyr, 
but I'm not PA really sure what's different about it.


Unlike Xnest it supports modern X extensions ( even if host 
server doesn't ) such as Composite, Damage, randr etc (no GLX 
support now)


http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xephyr/


Alexis.


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user can exec the xset, in his crontab, its 100% failure

2015-03-21 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings;

Running a wheezy based linux here.

While I as a user can use xset to remind the system of the monitors dpms 
controls, an identical entry in my crontab results in an email that it 
could not open my 0:0 display.

So I cannot script this reminder.

And X forgets all this stuff long before uptime has reached 2 weeks. So I 
figured an hourly reminder in my crontab should to the trick.

Is there any way around this PIMA?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: user can exec the xset, in his crontab, its 100% failure

2015-03-21 Thread Petter Adsen
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 05:58:44 -0400
Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 
 
 On Saturday 21 March 2015 05:18:18 Reco wrote:
   Hi.
 
  On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 05:02:53 -0400
 
  Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
   Greetings;
  
   Running a wheezy based linux here.
  
   While I as a user can use xset to remind the system of the
   monitors dpms controls, an identical entry in my crontab results
   in an email that it could not open my 0:0 display.
 
  Since cron should strip out every environment variable from whatever
  its told to run - that's to be expected.
 
   So I cannot script this reminder.
 
  You can. All you need to do is to define the needed DISPLAY and
  XAUTHORITY in the script itself.
 
  I.e.
 
  #!/bin/sh
  export DISPLAY=:0.0
 It will not install, claiming bad minute
  export XAUTHORITY=your XAuthority goes here
  xset +foo -bar
 
  Reco
 
 This what I have, but it will not install
 
 #!/bin/sh
 export DISPLAY=:0:0
 export XAUTHORITY=/home/gene/.Xauthority
 # m h  dom mon dow   command
 */5 * * * * /home/gene/bin/makesig
 30 0 * * * /home/gene/bin/sa-train-bayes
 01 * * * *  xset -display 0:0 +dpms
 02 * * * *  xset -display 0:0 dpms 300 0 600
 
 error msg on quitting nano:
 
 crontab: installing new crontab
 /tmp/crontab.O2BPk0/crontab:1: bad minute
 errors in crontab file, can't install.
 
 Its probably obvious, but I can't see why it fails.

Either set the variables like
DISPLAY=:0.0

or, better yet, write the line as:
01 * * * *  /home/gene/bin/name-of-script

and set the variables in the script itself.

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Re: Lenmus

2015-03-21 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Op 20-03-15 om 19:02 schreef Patrick Ruytings:
 Dag,
 
 Ik probeer Lenmus te installeren: http://www.lenmus.org/mws/noticias
 Ik probeer dat te doen via de richtlijnen:
 
 **
 To instal LenMus repository, open a terminal and enter:
 
 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lenmus-phonascus/ppa
 sudo apt-get update
 
 Now you're ready to install LenMus, either using the Ubuntu Software
 Center or by entering:
 
 sudo apt-get install lenmus
 
 That's all. LenMus will be installed and you will receive updates
 automatically. Once installed, you can run LenMus from main menu:
 
 Menu  Education  LenMus
 
 **
 Maar als ik 'sudo apt-get update' uitvoer, krijg ik op het einde als
 foutmelding:
 
 W: Ophalen van
 http://ppa.launchpad.net/lenmus-phonascus/ppa/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/source/Sources
 is mislukt  404  Not Found
 
 W: Ophalen van
 http://ppa.launchpad.net/lenmus-phonascus/ppa/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages
 is mislukt  404  Not Found
 
 W: Ophalen van
 http://ppa.launchpad.net/lenmus-phonascus/ppa/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages
 is mislukt  404  Not Found
 
 E: Sommige indexbestanden konden niet worden opgehaald. Deze zijn
 genegeerd, of oude versies zijn gebruikt.
 
 Daardoor kan ik het programma niet installeren.

De repositories bestaan niet, of zijn tijdelijk uit de lucht.

 Het zit ook niet standaard in de repositories.
 Ik wil dit programma onder Linux installeren omdat de Windowsversie
 herhaaldelijk crasht.

Misschien is het software die nog niet erg stabiel is?

 Kan iemand mij helpen?

Bedenk dat een programma installeren uit een PPA of iets dergelijks
gevaarlijk is. Het kan je systeem volledig vernielen.

Bedenk dat een Ubuntu PPA lang niet altijd bruikbaar is in Debian.

Vraag misschien hulp bij de mensen achter het programma.

Of kijk misschien eens op de alternativesto site:
http://alternativeto.net/software/lenmus/?platform=linux

Groet,
Paul.


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Re: Ejecutar aplicaciones como root sin ingresar la pass

2015-03-21 Thread Manolo Díaz
El sábado, 21 mar 2015, a las 17:51 UTC+1 horas,
matlnx1...@gmail.com escribió:

Buenas tardes:
 Tal vez alguien pueda tirarme alguna ayuda de por 
donde buscar, ya que no encuentro la forma de hacerlo aun. Estoy 
necesitando generar un acceso directo en Debian 7, para varias 
aplicaciones (por ejemplo teamviewer, thunderbird) etc. Actualmente para 
abrirlas lo que hago es abrir una terminal, ejecutar SU, y una vez como 
root (previo a ingresar la pass), ejecutar la aplicación.
 Se que no parece mucho pero es muy tedioso tener 
que hacerlo, con lo cual necesitaria darle a mi usuario pepe permisos 
para ejecutar esas aplicaciones sin tener la pass de root.

Gracias de antemano
Mati



Creo que para cosas como esa está sudo.

Teamviewer no tengo ni idea de qué es, pero ¿Thunderbird como root?

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apt-cacher-ng and apt-get changelog result in http 500 error

2015-03-21 Thread Bernd Naumann
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Hi at all,

I can't use `apt-get changelog` while have `apt-cacher-ng` running,
which is really annoying.

I.e.:
```
apt-get changelog screen
Err Changelog for screen
(http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.1.0~2
0120320gitdb59704-7/changelog)
  500  Bad redirection (invalid URL)
Err Changelog for screen
(http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.1.0~2012032
0gitdb59704-7.changelog)
  404  Not Found
E: changelog download failed
```

I have taken a look at other apt caching tools (for local networks),
but the most pleasing feature of apt-cacher-ng is, that I don't have
to do a full mirror, which will be atm not possible or configure
specify mirror-/archive-urls in a config file.
I often work mobil on my notebook and I need more then one
architecture in my cache.

So I'm look ether for a workaround or recommendation for an other
tool, which does the same as apt-cacher-ng, which I have my be overlooke
d.

Thanks for replys and hints!
Best regards,
Bernd

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Ejecutar aplicaciones como root sin ingresar la pass

2015-03-21 Thread matlnx1...@gmail.com

Buenas tardes:
Tal vez alguien pueda tirarme alguna ayuda de por 
donde buscar, ya que no encuentro la forma de hacerlo aun. Estoy 
necesitando generar un acceso directo en Debian 7, para varias 
aplicaciones (por ejemplo teamviewer, thunderbird) etc. Actualmente para 
abrirlas lo que hago es abrir una terminal, ejecutar SU, y una vez como 
root (previo a ingresar la pass), ejecutar la aplicación.
Se que no parece mucho pero es muy tedioso tener 
que hacerlo, con lo cual necesitaria darle a mi usuario pepe permisos 
para ejecutar esas aplicaciones sin tener la pass de root.


Gracias de antemano
Mati


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Re: Ejecutar aplicaciones como root sin ingresar la pass

2015-03-21 Thread Manolo Díaz
El sábado, 21 mar 2015, a las 18:04 UTC+1 horas,
matlnx1...@gmail.com escribió:

Claro, si no entro como root con SU en la terminal, no me aparece 
siquiera el comando thunderbird para ejecutar.

Pues no lo veo tan claro, no debe ser necesario. ¿Puedes ver el valor
de la variable PATH (sin entrar como root) y comprobar que es razonable?

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Re: X11/Thinkpad T430: partially drops input from USB devices after resume

2015-03-21 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, stefan.schwar...@gmx.net wrote:

 I am using my laptop (lenovo T430, debian testing) regularly in a docking 
 station. The dock has a USB keyboard, USB mouse and monitor 
 permanently attached. The laptops suspends from time to time, and _after_ 
 resuming X11 or some other system component 
 the input from USB mouse and keyboard to be dropped/ignored partially. 
 Symptoms are that the cursor does not move with 
 the mouse, however it will start moving again if I click any of the mouse 
 buttons; or that the keyboard input is ignored until 
 I hit some arbitrary keys very rapidly. The USB amnesia starts again if I 
 leave the input device untouched for some seconds.
 The issue will not occur for newly connected devices or if I reconnect 
 mouse/keyboard. The dock is not the issue as I can 
 reproduce the phenomenon with a USB mouse directly connected to the laptop. 

 I have no clue what could be going on...

Probably a USB autosuspend issue.  Do you have laptop-mode-tools
installed?  If yes, can you get rid of it and re-test?

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Re: user can exec the xset, in his crontab, its 100% failure

2015-03-21 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 05:02:53 -0400
Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 Greetings;
 
 Running a wheezy based linux here.
 
 While I as a user can use xset to remind the system of the monitors dpms 
 controls, an identical entry in my crontab results in an email that it 
 could not open my 0:0 display.

Since cron should strip out every environment variable from whatever
its told to run - that's to be expected.


 So I cannot script this reminder.

You can. All you need to do is to define the needed DISPLAY and
XAUTHORITY in the script itself.

I.e.

#!/bin/sh
export DISPLAY=:0.0
export XAUTORITY=your XAuthority goes here
xset +foo -bar

Reco


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Re: ifupdown en jessie, iproute2 e interfaces bridge

2015-03-21 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:50:48 +0100, José Miguel (sio2) escribió:

 El Fri, 20 de Mar de 2015, a las 06:29:02PM +, Camaleón dijo:
 
 Los puentes los gestiona un módulo del kernel que obviamente debe estar
 cargado para que funcionen pero la gestión/configuración de los puentes
 se lleva a cabo a través de herramientas de usuario y bien pueden ser
 las dos que citas, bridge-utils e iproute2.
 
 ¿Ventajas de bridge-utils? Pues que está todo premontado, comandos,
 archivos de configuración, etc... es decir, no hay que hacer casi nada
 a mano. Al fin y al cabo, si miramos el contenido del paquete¹ vemos
 que contiene una serie de scripts (if-post, if-pre...) y un binario,
 poco más.
 
 ¿Puedes tirar de iproute2 desde /etc/network/interfaces? No
 directamente sino a través de los scripts.
 
 Sí, Camaleón, todo esto lo sé. Pero resulta que sin instalar vlan,
 ifupdown es capaz de gestionar interfaces vlan (y si se mira en
 if-pre-up.d, etc no hay ningún script para tal). Tampoco tienes tú que
 declarar los script de activación y desactivación de la interfaz. Esto:

(...)

 Así que mi pregunta es si con las interfaces bridge se ha hecho algo
 parecido o hay que seguir instalando forzosamente bridge-utils.

Pues nada mejor que probarlo y nos cuentas si funciona :-)

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Re: samba casero en solo lectura

2015-03-21 Thread Camaleón
El Fri, 20 Mar 2015 18:01:49 -0300, Gonzalo Rivero escribió:

 El mié, 18-03-2015 a las 16:19 +, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 De los registros y archivo de configuración que has enviado se deduce
 que los recursos compartidos (directorio /multimedia e impresora) están
 configurados para clientes invitados sin autentificar (guest) pero me
 ha parecido ver desde smbclient iniciabas sesión con el usuario
 sfish
 que no sé si tendrá los permisos adecuados de acceso.
 
 
 es que puse en nautilus smb://localhost, pero si pongo
 smb://sfish@localost/ es lo mismo: solo lectura 

Claro, porque el cliente guest es que está configurado para acceder a 
los recursos, los usuarios del sistema (como sfish) no tienen permisos de 
acceso definidos en el archivo de configuración de samba.

Intenta identificarte en smblclient como guest para ver qué te dice, o 
en su defecto, configurar/mapear los usuarios windows como usuarios samba/
del sistema y configurando expresamente los permisos de acceso a los 
recursos para esos usuarios. 

 Supongo que esta versión de samba se pusieron mas estrictos (y deb
-changes no me dijo nada al respecto) y ahora debo agregar cosas como
 write users, valid users y tal

No sé, me parece un cambio demasiado radical que además va contra el 
sentido común ya que existe mayor exposición dando permisos de escritura 
a los recursos ¿no crees?

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Re: ifupdown en jessie, iproute2 e interfaces bridge

2015-03-21 Thread sio2
  Así que mi pregunta es si con las interfaces bridge se ha hecho algo
  parecido o hay que seguir instalando forzosamente bridge-utils.
 
 Pues nada mejor que probarlo y nos cuentas si funciona :-)

Ya: el problema es que si la hay, no sé cuál es. Después de mirar mucho
me inclino a pensar que no, porque con iproute2 no se puede hacer cosas
como habilitar el stp para el puente (o al menos así lo he entendido
yo). Tampoco he leído en ningún sitio que brtcl esté obsoleto o
se desaconseje.

Una cosa que me pasa con debian es que a veces no sé si estoy leyendo
información desactualizada o no. Me refiero a documentación del propio
sitio de debian. Aquí, por ejemplo:

https://wiki.debian.org/es/NetworkConfiguration

Hablan del vlan-raw-device para configurar las VLAN. Es cierto que citan
etch y lenny, pero es que no se habla de las más modernas. Yo me enteré
de que se podía hacer sin vconfig porque me topé con un mensaje en la
lista de bugs de debian. No es problema de la traducción porque la
versión inglesa dice lo mismo.

En cuestión de documentación, distribuciones como archlinux están
inifinitamente mejor.

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Re: ifupdown en jessie, iproute2 e interfaces bridge

2015-03-21 Thread Manolo Díaz
El sábado, 21 mar 2015, a las 17:45 UTC+1 horas,
José Miguel (sio2) escribió:

[...]

Una cosa que me pasa con debian es que a veces no sé si estoy leyendo
información desactualizada o no. Me refiero a documentación del propio
sitio de debian. Aquí, por ejemplo:

https://wiki.debian.org/es/NetworkConfiguration

No hay más que mirar el pie de página para ver cuándo fue actualizado
por última vez. Claro que eso no te dice hasta que punto ha sido
actualizado; si se trata de una verdadera puesta al día o de una mera
corrección tipográfica. Sería de utilidad que proporcionase un
historial de cambios.

[...]

En cuestión de documentación, distribuciones como archlinux están
inifinitamente mejor.

Estoy de acuerdo, por desgracia.

Un saludo.

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Re: Ejecutar aplicaciones como root sin ingresar la pass

2015-03-21 Thread matlnx1...@gmail.com
Claro, si no entro como root con SU en la terminal, no me aparece 
siquiera el comando thunderbird para ejecutar.


Respecto de Teamviewer es como un VNC para acceso remoto de PCs.

Saludos

El 21/03/15 a las 13:58, Manolo Díaz escibió:

El sábado, 21 mar 2015, a las 17:51 UTC+1 horas,
matlnx1...@gmail.com escribió:


Buenas tardes:
 Tal vez alguien pueda tirarme alguna ayuda de por
donde buscar, ya que no encuentro la forma de hacerlo aun. Estoy
necesitando generar un acceso directo en Debian 7, para varias
aplicaciones (por ejemplo teamviewer, thunderbird) etc. Actualmente para
abrirlas lo que hago es abrir una terminal, ejecutar SU, y una vez como
root (previo a ingresar la pass), ejecutar la aplicación.
 Se que no parece mucho pero es muy tedioso tener
que hacerlo, con lo cual necesitaria darle a mi usuario pepe permisos
para ejecutar esas aplicaciones sin tener la pass de root.

Gracias de antemano
Mati



Creo que para cosas como esa está sudo.

Teamviewer no tengo ni idea de qué es, pero ¿Thunderbird como root?

Saludos.



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Re: Ejecutar aplicaciones como root sin ingresar la pass

2015-03-21 Thread Juan Lavieri
Hola

El 21 de marzo de 2015, 12:21, matlnx1...@gmail.com matlnx1...@gmail.com
escribió:

 Buenas tardes:
 Tal vez alguien pueda tirarme alguna ayuda de por
 donde buscar, ya que no encuentro la forma de hacerlo aun. Estoy
 necesitando generar un acceso directo en Debian 7, para varias aplicaciones
 (por ejemplo teamviewer, thunderbird) etc. Actualmente para abrirlas lo que
 hago es abrir una terminal, ejecutar SU, y una vez como root (previo a
 ingresar la pass), ejecutar la aplicación.
 Se que no parece mucho pero es muy tedioso tener que
 hacerlo, con lo cual necesitaria darle a mi usuario pepe permisos para
 ejecutar esas aplicaciones sin tener la pass de root.


​Espero que estés consciente de los riesgos que estás corriendo.

http://www.linuxito.com/seguridad/464-como-permitir-que-un-usuario-pueda-ejecutar-como-root-solo-un-comando-especifico-utilizando-sudo

Saludos.​





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 Mati


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Re: Ejecutar aplicaciones como root sin ingresar la pass

2015-03-21 Thread Juan Lavieri
Aqui tienes otra apción:


El 21 de marzo de 2015, 12:42, Juan Lavieri jlavi...@gmail.com escribió:

 Hola

 El 21 de marzo de 2015, 12:21, matlnx1...@gmail.com matlnx1...@gmail.com
 escribió:

 Buenas tardes:
 Tal vez alguien pueda tirarme alguna ayuda de por
 donde buscar, ya que no encuentro la forma de hacerlo aun. Estoy
 necesitando generar un acceso directo en Debian 7, para varias aplicaciones
 (por ejemplo teamviewer, thunderbird) etc. Actualmente para abrirlas lo que
 hago es abrir una terminal, ejecutar SU, y una vez como root (previo a
 ingresar la pass), ejecutar la aplicación.
 Se que no parece mucho pero es muy tedioso tener que
 hacerlo, con lo cual necesitaria darle a mi usuario pepe permisos para
 ejecutar esas aplicaciones sin tener la pass de root.


 ​Espero que estés consciente de los riesgos que estás corriendo.


 http://www.linuxito.com/seguridad/464-como-permitir-que-un-usuario-pueda-ejecutar-como-root-solo-un-comando-especifico-utilizando-sudo



​
http://systemadmin.es/2008/12/como-ejecutar-comandos-como-root-sin-password#
​




 Saludos.​





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Re: Ejecutar aplicaciones como root sin ingresar la pass

2015-03-21 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:51:16 -0300, matlnx1...@gmail.com escribió:

 Buenas tardes:
  Tal vez alguien pueda tirarme alguna ayuda de por
 donde buscar, ya que no encuentro la forma de hacerlo aun. Estoy
 necesitando generar un acceso directo en Debian 7, para varias
 aplicaciones (por ejemplo teamviewer, thunderbird) etc. 

(...)

Aunque los pasos exactos dependerán del escritorio que tengas instalado, 
botón derecho sobre el escritorio → crear lanzador. Busca el binario de 
la aplicación (p. ej., /usr/bin/thunderbird), selecciona un icono chulo 
y a correr.

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Re: ifupdown en jessie, iproute2 e interfaces bridge

2015-03-21 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:45:15 +0100, José Miguel (sio2) escribió:

  Así que mi pregunta es si con las interfaces bridge se ha hecho algo
  parecido o hay que seguir instalando forzosamente bridge-utils.
 
 Pues nada mejor que probarlo y nos cuentas si funciona :-)
 
 Ya: el problema es que si la hay, no sé cuál es. Después de mirar mucho
 me inclino a pensar que no, porque con iproute2 no se puede hacer cosas
 como habilitar el stp para el puente (o al menos así lo he entendido
 yo). Tampoco he leído en ningún sitio que brtcl esté obsoleto o se
 desaconseje.

Como te he dicho antes, creo que no es posible por la simple lógica de el 
archivo /etc/network/interfaces trabaja con interfaces de red que 
existen en el sistema y que se han generado por los drivers/módulos del 
kernel y para crear un puente (br0) tienes que o bien usar el paquete de 
utilidades (bridge-utils) o a través de iproute2 (o el antiguo route), y 
no hay más... bueno, quizá con systemd que parece que ya hace de todo y 
te hace hasta una tortilla de queso si se lo pides :-)

 Una cosa que me pasa con debian es que a veces no sé si estoy leyendo
 información desactualizada o no. Me refiero a documentación del propio
 sitio de debian. Aquí, por ejemplo:
 
 https://wiki.debian.org/es/NetworkConfiguration

Eso es la Wiki (generada por usuarios), la documentación oficial está en 
otra parte:

Chapter 5. Network setup
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html

Pero eso pasa en linux en general, por desgracia la documentación es un 
problema endémico.

 Hablan del vlan-raw-device para configurar las VLAN. Es cierto que citan
 etch y lenny, pero es que no se habla de las más modernas. Yo me enteré
 de que se podía hacer sin vconfig porque me topé con un mensaje en la
 lista de bugs de debian. No es problema de la traducción porque la
 versión inglesa dice lo mismo.
 
 En cuestión de documentación, distribuciones como archlinux están
 inifinitamente mejor.

Yo no diría tanto, aunque cierto es que tiene artículos más actualizados 
y con ejemplos y casos prácticos que suelen venir muy bien para el día a 
día. Aún así, la documentación oficial de Debian es realmente buena y 
completa.

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how to force a hold on a missing package during an apt-get upgrade

2015-03-21 Thread tandread

dear debian users,

I really need to have a program compiled from source
(that is, a src dir, not a debian source package)
Let's say, the mysql server source distribution

I can remove the mysql-* deb packages  with
dpkg --purge --force-depends
(I know this causes dangling lib*.so dependencies,
but they will be fixed after the mysql src
compilation)

but a later apt-get --ignore-missing insists
on fetching what mysql-* was dpkg-purged

I have tried a semi-fix of getting a
--get-selections, adding the purged packages
as hold and doing a --set-selections,
but it has side effects (all mysql dependent
packages get uninstalled in the apt-get upgrade)

So, is there a way to for apt-get upgrade
to keep ignoring broken dependencies caused
by dpkg --force-depends --purge?


thanks for any answer


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Re: Créer boot Grub avec super grub disk sur clé usb

2015-03-21 Thread andre_debian
Bonjour,

Personne n'a de réponse..?  Je la résume alors :

L'objectif est de créer un grub bootable sur un portable neuf qui n'a pas
de lecteur DVD.

Je créé une clé USB bootable avec super grub disk  via unetbootin.

Le portable boote bien sur la clé USB, 
le menu Super Grub Disk apparaît avec une rubrique = Default,
et impossible d'aller plus loin : blocage.

J'ai refait la clé avec d'autres, changé de PC, pareil.
Il y a un blême avec le fichier image.iso de super grub disk,
ou avec unetbootin...

Merci...

André


On Friday 20 March 2015 19:09:59 andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
 Sur un portable neuf (sans CD/DVD), j'ai créé une nouvelle partition
 avec Wheezy, via Toutou-Linux sur clé USB.
 Ensuite, je dois placer un boot Grub pour pouvoir accéder à Wheezy.
 J'utilise une clé USB contenant l'image .iso de Super Grub Disk,
 que je créé avec unetbootin.
 Lorsque je boote le portable avec la clé USB bootable Grub Disk,
 apparait un compteur m'invitant à attendre 10 secondes,
 ou à cliquer sur une ligne contenant Default.
 Mais aucun boot possible, et le compteur se remet sans cesse à
 10 secondes...
 J'ai refait la clé USB Grub bootable, rien n'y fait.
 Je l'ai testée sur d'autres PC portables, de bureau,
 pareil, aucun boot possible.
 Comment créer une clé USB bootable avec Super Grub Disk ?
 Ou comment trouver un autre moyen pour installer le boot Grub ?

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Re: user can exec the xset, in his crontab, its 100% failure

2015-03-21 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-03-21, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
 Greetings;

 Running a wheezy based linux here.

 While I as a user can use xset to remind the system of the monitors dpms 
 controls, an identical entry in my crontab results in an email that it 
 could not open my 0:0 display.

 So I cannot script this reminder.

 And X forgets all this stuff long before uptime has reached 2 weeks. So I 
 figured an hourly reminder in my crontab should to the trick.

 Is there any way around this PIMA?

 Thanks.

 Cheers, Gene Heskett

There are various options related to DPMS in the Xorg xonfiguration. See
the man page for xorg.conf. (Whether the driver you're using respects
those options is another matter, but it's worth a try.)

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Re: Re: customize ligthdm manager

2015-03-21 Thread Abdelkader Belahcene
thanks for reply,
that what I did,   it is ok for local machine,
But i can't see any of remote servers running xdmcp

thanks again


Re: customize ligthdm manager

2015-03-21 Thread Petter Adsen
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:11:39 +0100
Abdelkader Belahcene abelahc...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,
 
 
 * know Xephyr does the connection,   but in that case you suppose you
 are already logged in the client machine.*
 
 
 *What I want is just to have in login window  the menu, where I can
 find remote machine aside the local login.*
 
 *I used it in the past, in very old  login, with kdm or gdm , I want
 to it with recent DM;*
 
 *thanks a lot*

I think you may need to use xdm, or maybe just start an X server with
-query. You can find some info and further links for reading here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdmcp

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Re: user can exec the xset, in his crontab, its 100% failure

2015-03-21 Thread Gene Heskett


On Saturday 21 March 2015 06:07:41 Petter Adsen wrote:
 On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 05:58:44 -0400

 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  On Saturday 21 March 2015 05:18:18 Reco wrote:
Hi.
  
   On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 05:02:53 -0400
  
   Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
Greetings;
   
Running a wheezy based linux here.
   
While I as a user can use xset to remind the system of the
monitors dpms controls, an identical entry in my crontab results
in an email that it could not open my 0:0 display.
  
   Since cron should strip out every environment variable from
   whatever its told to run - that's to be expected.
  
So I cannot script this reminder.
  
   You can. All you need to do is to define the needed DISPLAY and
   XAUTHORITY in the script itself.
  
   I.e.
  
   #!/bin/sh
   export DISPLAY=:0.0
 
  It will not install, claiming bad minute
 
   export XAUTHORITY=your XAuthority goes here
   xset +foo -bar
  
   Reco
 
  This what I have, but it will not install
 
  #!/bin/sh
  export DISPLAY=:0:0
  export XAUTHORITY=/home/gene/.Xauthority
  # m h  dom mon dow   command
  */5 * * * * /home/gene/bin/makesig
  30 0 * * * /home/gene/bin/sa-train-bayes
  01 * * * *  xset -display 0:0 +dpms
  02 * * * *  xset -display 0:0 dpms 300 0 600
 
  error msg on quitting nano:
 
  crontab: installing new crontab
  /tmp/crontab.O2BPk0/crontab:1: bad minute
  errors in crontab file, can't install.
 
  Its probably obvious, but I can't see why it fails.

 Either set the variables like
 DISPLAY=:0.0

 or, better yet, write the line as:
 01 * * * *  /home/gene/bin/name-of-script

 and set the variables in the script itself.

 Petter

And that latter seems to have worked.  Thank you Petter.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Re: Re: customize ligthdm manager

2015-03-21 Thread Abdelkader Belahcene
hi,


* know Xephyr does the connection,   but in that case you suppose you are
already logged in the client machine.*


*What I want is just to have in login window  the menu, where I can find
remote machine aside the local login.*

*I used it in the past, in very old  login, with kdm or gdm , I want to it
with recent DM;*

*thanks a lot*


Re: Versión minima de Debian

2015-03-21 Thread Frederit Mogollon
2015-03-19 19:09 GMT-04:30, Carlos Zuniga carlos@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 El Thu, 19 Mar 2015 11:41:43 -0300, mramirez escribió:

 Hola!
 Ve si te sirve:

 http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/index_es.html

 No, no me vale.

 ¿Desde cuando Damn Small Linux es Debian? ;-)


 No es propiamente Debian, pero esta basado en Knoppix que a su vez
 esta basado en Debian ;)

 http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros#damnsmall


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Un buen titmpo sin escribir en esta lista, aunque siempre la estoy leyendo.

Compañero Eduardo Gil, como dicen los compañeros listeros es más una
práctica/aprendizaje de instalación mínima (sistema base + utilidades
estándar del sistema + servidor de ventanas X + ambiente gráfico +
aplicaciones seleccionadas). Pero depende mucho de la capacidad en
términos de hardware presentes en esas máquinas algo viejas, como les
dices, y del tiempo disponible para hacerlo con calma y no enredarse
en el proceso.
Sin embargo, busca distribuciones basadas en Debian, con gestores de
ventanas instalados por defecto como ambiente gráfico, tipo AntiX, que
corre bien con 256-512 MB de RAM y unos 3 GB de disco duro.

Yo estoy/estaba terminando una guía para instalar Debian 7 con IceWM,
hasta que me cercioré que AntiX ya viene con todo lo que me proponía a
hacer, y hasta mejor configurado, pulido, y completo. Posee un
conjunto de diferentes opciones de entornos gráficos ligeros (incluso
más ligeros que LXDE) para usar al vuelo.

Frederit Mogollon

Saludos


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Re: Créer boot Grub avec super grub disk sur clé usb

2015-03-21 Thread mireero

On 03/20/2015 07:20 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

Sur un portable neuf (sans CD/DVD), j'ai créé une nouvelle partition
avec Wheezy, via Toutou-Linux sur clé USB.


Si wheezy est installé, grub est déjà installé, sinon boot sur 
Toutou-Linux, cherche le gestionnaire de paquets, installe le paquet 
grub (grub-efi le cas échéant) et lance le, il trouvera tout seul la 
partition wheezy. Si toutou-linux est basé sur debian (j'ai regardé 5 
min le site, pas vu grand-chose!), en root:


~ # aptitude install grub
~ # grub-install /dev/sda (en général)

Si wheezy n'est pas installé, installe-le à partir de ta clef 
préalablement préparée (pareil, tu boot sur toutou linux puis dans un 
terminal: )


~ # dd if=/chemin/vers/debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M	// (si clef = 
/dev/sdb, bs optionnel)


Si tu n'as qu'une clef avec toutou-linux, comme il se vante d'être 
uniquement en mémoire, ben pas de problème pour l'écraser.


Par la suite tu peux toujours te resservir de ta clef debian en cas de 
problème de boot (ou autre).


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Re: ifupdown en jessie, iproute2 e interfaces bridge

2015-03-21 Thread sio2
El Sat, 21 de Mar de 2015, a las 05:28:28PM +, Camaleón dijo:

 Como te he dicho antes, creo que no es posible por la simple lógica de el 
 archivo /etc/network/interfaces trabaja con interfaces de red que 
 existen en el sistema y que se han generado por los drivers/módulos del 
 kernel y para crear un puente (br0) tienes que o bien usar el paquete de 
 utilidades (bridge-utils) o a través de iproute2 (o el antiguo route), y 
 no hay más

Ya. y para crear una vlan tienes que usar vconfig o iproute2 y, sin
embargo, ifupdown se las avía (a través de iproute2) desde hace un
tiempo para crearlas.  En este caso, no creo que esa lógica funcione.

 https://wiki.debian.org/es/NetworkConfiguration
 Eso es la Wiki (generada por usuarios),

Bueno, la documentación de archlinux (que he citado como distribución
que en este aspecto es envidiable) también es una wiki.

 la documentación oficial está en 
 otra parte:

 Chapter 5. Network setup
 https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html

También la vi, pero es que en esa documentación jamás aparece la palabra
bridge (o vlan), así que de poco sirve para el caso que nos ocupa.

 Pero eso pasa en linux en general, por desgracia la documentación es un 
 problema endémico.

Sí, pero desgraciadamente pasa más con debian que con otras
distribuciones.

 En cuestión de documentación, distribuciones como archlinux están
 inifinitamente mejor.
 Yo no diría tanto, aunque cierto es que tiene artículos más actualizados 
 y con ejemplos y casos prácticos que suelen venir muy bien para el día a 
 día. Aún así, la documentación oficial de Debian es realmente buena y 
 completa.

Pues no sé cómo será, pero un gran porcentaje de las veces que busco
información sobre algo, acabo en la wiki de archlinux leyendo un
artículo completo y práctico.

Desgraciadamente en este caso, la información es sobre una herramienta
de debian y sólo puedo recurrir a debian (o a alguna de sus derivadas).

 Saludos,

Un saludo.

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Re: ifupdown en jessie, iproute2 e interfaces bridge

2015-03-21 Thread Camaleón
El Sat, 21 Mar 2015 20:31:28 +0100, José Miguel (sio2) escribió:

 El Sat, 21 de Mar de 2015, a las 05:28:28PM +, Camaleón dijo:
 
 Como te he dicho antes, creo que no es posible por la simple lógica de
 el archivo /etc/network/interfaces trabaja con interfaces de red que
 existen en el sistema y que se han generado por los drivers/módulos del
 kernel y para crear un puente (br0) tienes que o bien usar el paquete
 de utilidades (bridge-utils) o a través de iproute2 (o el antiguo
 route), y no hay más
 
 Ya. y para crear una vlan tienes que usar vconfig o iproute2 y, sin
 embargo, ifupdown se las avía (a través de iproute2) desde hace un
 tiempo para crearlas.  En este caso, no creo que esa lógica funcione.

Tú lo has dicho: a través de iproute2 ;-)

 https://wiki.debian.org/es/NetworkConfiguration
 Eso es la Wiki (generada por usuarios),
 
 Bueno, la documentación de archlinux (que he citado como distribución
 que en este aspecto es envidiable) también es una wiki.

No te olvides de que ArchLinux tiene menos trabajo que hacer ya que sólo 
tiene soporte para dos arquitecturas (x86 y amd64) así que tendrán más 
tiempo para mejorar otras cosas como la documentación o la wiki.

 la documentación oficial está en otra parte:
 
 Chapter 5. Network setup
 https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html
 
 También la vi, pero es que en esa documentación jamás aparece la palabra
 bridge (o vlan), así que de poco sirve para el caso que nos ocupa.

Que sea la documentación oficial no implica que contemple toda la 
casuística ni todas las opciones o configuraciones (y por cierto, sí 
aparece bridging) para eso tienes la documentación oficial del kernel 
que tampoco es que esté al día (2009) pero tiene más chicha:

https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bridge

 Pero eso pasa en linux en general, por desgracia la documentación es un
 problema endémico.
 
 Sí, pero desgraciadamente pasa más con debian que con otras
 distribuciones.

No, eso no es cierto o por lo menos yo no lo veo así. Para todo lo que 
toca Debian (me refiero a todas las arquitecturas que admite que no son 
moco de pavo) lo que no sé es cómo tiene tan buena documentación.

 En cuestión de documentación, distribuciones como archlinux están
 inifinitamente mejor.
 Yo no diría tanto, aunque cierto es que tiene artículos más
 actualizados y con ejemplos y casos prácticos que suelen venir muy bien
 para el día a día. Aún así, la documentación oficial de Debian es
 realmente buena y completa.
 
 Pues no sé cómo será, pero un gran porcentaje de las veces que busco
 información sobre algo, acabo en la wiki de archlinux leyendo un
 artículo completo y práctico.

Sí, yo también pero repito que las wikis las generan los usuarios, será 
que en Debian la gente toma mucho pero ofrece poco ;-)

 Desgraciadamente en este caso, la información es sobre una herramienta
 de debian y sólo puedo recurrir a debian (o a alguna de sus derivadas).

Si te refieres a las bridge-utils están disponibles en varias 
distribuciones.

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Re: Cool things to do with server

2015-03-21 Thread Joris Bolsens


On 03/17/2015 11:37 AM, Tazman DeVille wrote:
 Run a RedMatrix hub on it. See https://redmatrix.me
 
What is that? looked at the site but don't really understand what it does.

-Joris



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Re: how to force a hold on a missing package during an apt-get upgrade

2015-03-21 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 21.03.2015 um 17:36 schrieb tandread:
 dear debian users,
 
 I really need to have a program compiled from source
 (that is, a src dir, not a debian source package)
 Let's say, the mysql server source distribution
 
 I can remove the mysql-* deb packages  with
 dpkg --purge --force-depends
 (I know this causes dangling lib*.so dependencies,
 but they will be fixed after the mysql src
 compilation)
 
 but a later apt-get --ignore-missing insists
 on fetching what mysql-* was dpkg-purged
 
 I have tried a semi-fix of getting a
 --get-selections, adding the purged packages
 as hold and doing a --set-selections,
 but it has side effects (all mysql dependent
 packages get uninstalled in the apt-get upgrade)

A simpler way then using --get and --set selections is

apt-mark hold|unhold package(s)





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Re: apt-cacher-ng and apt-get changelog result in http 500 error

2015-03-21 Thread David Wright
Quoting Bernd Naumann (be...@kr217.de):

 I can't use `apt-get changelog` while have `apt-cacher-ng` running,
 which is really annoying.
 
 I.e.:
 ```
 apt-get changelog screen
 Err Changelog for screen
 (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.1.0~2
 0120320gitdb59704-7/changelog)
   500  Bad redirection (invalid URL)
 Err Changelog for screen
 (http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/screen/screen_4.1.0~2012032
 0gitdb59704-7.changelog)
   404  Not Found
 E: changelog download failed
 ```

I can't reproduce this. Here's the output for an installed and an
uninstalled package on my laptop (jessie) and my apt-cacher-ng box
(wheezy).

$ apt-get changelog sed
Get:1 Changelog for sed
(http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/sed/sed_4.2.2-4/changelog)
[19.1 kB]
Fetched 19.1 kB in 1s (10.1 kB/s)
$ apt-get changelog bless
Get:1 Changelog for bless
(http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/bless/bless_0.6.0-4/changelog)
[2,713 B]
Fetched 2,713 B in 1s (1,920 B/s)
$

$ apt-get changelog sed
Get:1 Changelog for sed
(http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/sed/sed_4.2.1-10/changelog)
[18.3 kB]
Fetched 18.3 kB in 1s (9,854 B/s)
$ apt-get changelog a2ps
Get:1 Changelog for a2ps
(http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/a2ps/a2ps_4.14-1.1+deb7u1/changelog)
[26.8 kB]
Fetched 26.8 kB in 1s (15.5 kB/s)
$

So it looks like something might be misconfigured somewhere.

My /etc/apt/apt.conf contains

Acquire::http::Proxy http://192.168.1.19:3142/;;

Sources files are

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free

and

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free

Or another possibilty: I'm running the apt-cacher-ng version from
wheezy-backports, otherwise I get problems expiring the post-wheezy
packages.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Vincent Lefevre wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
  Vincent Lefevre wrote:
   Bob Proulx wrote:
The Debian default Apache2 configuration for ssl is in local-ssl and
it configures the self-signed so called snakeoil certificates.

...
  The /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf doesn't need to be modifed by
  the local admin because the cipher list there is commented out.
 
 No, it is not commented out. ./etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf
 in apache2.2-common_2.2.22-13+deb7u4_amd64.deb contains:

You are correct.  I was confused because it was both.  Sorry.
Note that the recent option of interest is SSLCipherSuite.

$ grep SSLCipherSuite /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf
SSLCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5
#   to the SSLCipherSuite list, and enable SSLHonorCipherOrder.
#SSLCipherSuite RC4-SHA:AES128-SHA:HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5

 No, it is not commented out. The default in unstable is:
 
   SSLProtocol all -SSLv3

 And the default in wheezy is:
 
   SSLProtocol all -SSLv2

This illustrates that if the local admin has not set up the full
configuration in their site config that they are not safe.

I prefer this way to write the configuration.  

  SSLProtocol -all +TLSv1

 Even if it were commented out by default, there could be two solutions:
 
 1. The configuration tool could uncomment the entry and change it.

I think it unlikely that most people will have modified the
/etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf file.  I think any changes there
would propagate through simply.

 2. The default (i.e. hardcoded value) could be changed, if possible.

Changing the compiled in value of the default would be fine.

I worry about removing the protocol from the executable becuase there
will be some sites that have constraints requiring them maintain the
older protocols.  Those older protocols may be unsafe when used in a
normal web site but for their specific use, perhaps on a private
network, they may be okay.  If the protocol is removed from the
executable then this creates a hardship for them and would require
them to split off.  That would be worse.

  (Although it should wake up the admin that they need to merge files if
  they modified it.  But I all too often see local admins simply keep
  their previous version of files without merging.  Look at all of the
  people with trouble after the sudo secure_path change for examples.)
 
 Note that I suggested the change in the case the file was *not*
 modified. The admin I was mentioning wanted to keep Debian's
 default (i.e. without any local change).
 
   SSLCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5

Agreed.

I worry about the catagorization of ciphers as high and medium.  Those
classifications change over time.  I prefer to see them listed out
because that way it is obvious what they mean.

Bob


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Re: how to force a hold on a missing package during an apt-get upgrade

2015-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Michael Biebl wrote:
 Am 21.03.2015 um 17:36 schrieb tandread:
  but a later apt-get --ignore-missing insists
  on fetching what mysql-* was dpkg-purged
  
  I have tried a semi-fix of getting a
  --get-selections, adding the purged packages
  as hold and doing a --set-selections,
  but it has side effects (all mysql dependent
  packages get uninstalled in the apt-get upgrade)
 
 A simpler way then using --get and --set selections is
 
 apt-mark hold|unhold package(s)

Since the user wants to remove a package that other packages depend
upon holding doesn't help very much.  A dead end.

As Liam wrote the usual answer is to use the 'equivs' package to
create a dummy package to hold the dependency for anything that is
compiled and installed locally.

Alternatively create a full replacement package.  Starting from the
Debian package and modifying it isn't usually very difficult.  But if
you just want to cut it loose and do the upstream thing directly
through 'make install' then creating an equivs package is the way to go.

Bob


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Re: how to force a hold on a missing package during an apt-get upgrade

2015-03-21 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-03-21, tandread tandr...@otenet.gr wrote:
 dear debian users,

 I really need to have a program compiled from source
 (that is, a src dir, not a debian source package)
 Let's say, the mysql server source distribution

 I can remove the mysql-* deb packages  with
 dpkg --purge --force-depends
 (I know this causes dangling lib*.so dependencies,
 but they will be fixed after the mysql src
 compilation)

 but a later apt-get --ignore-missing insists
 on fetching what mysql-* was dpkg-purged

 I have tried a semi-fix of getting a
 --get-selections, adding the purged packages
 as hold and doing a --set-selections,
 but it has side effects (all mysql dependent
 packages get uninstalled in the apt-get upgrade)

 So, is there a way to for apt-get upgrade
 to keep ignoring broken dependencies caused
 by dpkg --force-depends --purge?


 thanks for any answer



The 'equivs' package might be the way forward. From its description:
Another use is to circumvent dependency checking: by letting dpkg think
a particular package name and version is installed when it isn't

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Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Gene Heskett wrote:
 Call me confused.  And I do run my own web page from this machine.  URL 
 in sig.
 Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene

That is a non-https page.  Do you operate any https pages requiring
security?  I didn't find any.  If you aren't using https then the
discussion here about the POODLE attach against https isn't relevant.

 First, there is no ~./etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf, but there is a
 /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf

Right.

 With relatively sparse bits of uncommenting that would appear to be 
 related here:
 
 SSLCipherSuite AES128+EECDH:AES128+EDH
 SSLHonorCipherOrder on
 SSLProtocol all -SSLv2 -SSLv3
 Header always set Strict-Transport-Security max-age=63072000; include 
 SubDomains
 Header alway set X-Frame-Options DENY

If you were operating an ssl site then the above would match the
current recommendations from:

  https://cipherli.st/

But as far as I can see you are not running https.  Therefore
modifying those files is simply creating more work for yourself. :-(

I will note that it is a fast changing environment.  I hate to quote
static lists like that since tomorrow they may be different.  Instead
I like to point to centralized information resources like the
ssllabs.com and cipherli.st sites to coordinate the current wisdom.

 Documentation on this stuff and its interactions is sparse at best 
 despite the fact that I have installed what s/b the correct man pages.

For web servers most of the documentation is on the web.  It is just
the nature of things.

 Some of the above has been edited persuant to anti POODLE instructions 
 found by google.
 
 So, am I safe, or low hanging fruit with those settings?

As far as I can see you are safe since you are not operating a web
site that uses encryption to secure any pages.  Therefore none of this
discussion applies to you as a web admin.

The question here is whether a POODLE attack can allow a man in the
middle attacker to see the plaintext of an SSL connection.  To
consider the danger lets say a web site requires a login, uses cookies
to maintain a session, and https to keep others from sniffing your
login credentials.  A successful attack could give someone else your
cookie data which they could use to log into that site as you.

But you are talking about your own site that you are maintaining.  If
you are not using SSL then this simply does not apply to you.  If you
are using SSL then it depends upon what, where, why, and so forth.
Someone using it just to add noise to the encrypted data traffic would
always be safe too since it wouldn't be worse than not encrypting it.

The POODLE attack doesn't allow someone to directly break into your
web server.  The attack is about listening to encrypted traffic.
Information gained by sniffing may allow further attacks however.

If someone were using something like SquirrelMail or Roundcube or
Mailpile for a webmail interface for example then they should be
directly concerned over this type of attack.  Someone targeting them
might be able to log into the web as them and send email as them.  And
the same for most other web login interfaces.  (Many people are in
terror over the idea of someone logging into Facebook as them.
Research Firesheep.)

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Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 21 March 2015 16:37:59 Bob Proulx wrote:
 Vincent Lefevre wrote:
  Bob Proulx wrote:
   Vincent Lefevre wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
 The Debian default Apache2 configuration for ssl is in
 local-ssl and it configures the self-signed so called
 snakeoil certificates.
 
 ...
 
   The /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf doesn't need to be
   modifed by the local admin because the cipher list there is
   commented out.
 
  No, it is not commented out. ./etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf
  in apache2.2-common_2.2.22-13+deb7u4_amd64.deb contains:

 You are correct.  I was confused because it was both.  Sorry.
 Note that the recent option of interest is SSLCipherSuite.

 $ grep SSLCipherSuite /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf
 SSLCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5
This is not valid for a 2.22 install

 #   to the SSLCipherSuite list, and enable SSLHonorCipherOrder.
 #SSLCipherSuite RC4-SHA:AES128-SHA:HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5

  No, it is not commented out. The default in unstable is:
 
SSLProtocol all -SSLv3
 
  And the default in wheezy is:
 
SSLProtocol all -SSLv2

 This illustrates that if the local admin has not set up the full
 configuration in their site config that they are not safe.

 I prefer this way to write the configuration.

   SSLProtocol -all +TLSv1

Now set.

  Even if it were commented out by default, there could be two
  solutions:
 
  1. The configuration tool could uncomment the entry and change it.

 I think it unlikely that most people will have modified the
 /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf file.  I think any changes there
 would propagate through simply.

  2. The default (i.e. hardcoded value) could be changed, if possible.

 Changing the compiled in value of the default would be fine.

 I worry about removing the protocol from the executable becuase there
 will be some sites that have constraints requiring them maintain the
 older protocols.  Those older protocols may be unsafe when used in a
 normal web site but for their specific use, perhaps on a private
 network, they may be okay.  If the protocol is removed from the
 executable then this creates a hardship for them and would require
 them to split off.  That would be worse.

   (Although it should wake up the admin that they need to merge
   files if they modified it.  But I all too often see local admins
   simply keep their previous version of files without merging.  Look
   at all of the people with trouble after the sudo secure_path
   change for examples.)
 
  Note that I suggested the change in the case the file was *not*
  modified. The admin I was mentioning wanted to keep Debian's
  default (i.e. without any local change).
 
SSLCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5

 Agreed.

 I worry about the catagorization of ciphers as high and medium.  Those
 classifications change over time.  I prefer to see them listed out
 because that way it is obvious what they mean.

 Bob

However on the restart, I logged this in /var/log/apache2/error.log:

[Sat Mar 21 18:08:02 2015] [info] removed PID file /var/run/apache2.pid 
(pid=2954)
[Sat Mar 21 18:08:02 2015] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
[Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) configured -- 
resuming normal operations
[Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [info] Server built: Dec 27 2014 21:24:43
[Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [debug] worker.c(1757): AcceptMutex: sysvsem 
(default: sysvsem)
[Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [error] (2)No such file or directory: Couldn't bind 
unix domain socket /var/log/httpd/${APACHE_RUN_DIR}/cgisock.4944

No clue how to fix this one, APACHE_RUN_DIR is not set in the environment.
Broken init.d script perhaps??

[Sat Mar 21 18:08:04 2015] [crit] cgid daemon failed to initialize

But this seems to be a never mind as it doesn't seem to effect performance
in any case.  How important is it?

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Re: intento de secuestro de cuenta

2015-03-21 Thread Agustin Martin
2015-03-18 21:47 GMT+01:00 Juan Carlos Rebate fhuv...@gmail.com:
 que casualidad que hable de la seguridad e google y hoy llevo ya 2
 intentos de inicio de ssion desde otras maquinas

Hola,

¿No intentarías acceder desde thunderbird/icedove?

Gmail ha endurecido las condiciones de seguridad de acceso (por lo
menos eso dicen) y ahora consideran thunderbird/icedove no
suficientemente seguro. Como te han dicho en otra respuesta, mira las
máquinas. Si son tuyas y este es el caso, hay una opción para relajar
las condiciones si quieres. Si no son tuyas, te están intentando
entrar.

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Re: Problem forward/postroute http/https thru vlan-ed interface.

2015-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Mimiko wrote:
 I set up in interfaces:
 auto eth0
 iface eth0 inet static
   address local_lan_ip
   netmask mask
 auto eth1.2
 iface eth1.2 inet static
   address isp1
   netmask mask
 auto eth1.4
 iface eth2.4 inet static
   address isp2
   netmask mask
 
 VLAN ID 2 is for tagging to ISP1
 VLAN ID 4 is for tagging to ISP2

I see no vlans in your configuration above.  The above simply shows
additional IP addresses being assigned.  If your switch is requiring
vlan tagging then that is likely your problem.

See the documentation for setting up vlans here:

  https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration

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Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 21 March 2015 19:25:53 Bob Proulx wrote:
 Gene Heskett wrote:
  Bob Proulx wrote:
   $ grep SSLCipherSuite /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf
   SSLCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5
 
  This is not valid for a 2.22 install

 What is the error you are seeing?  That looks to be okay to me.

That site said it was 2.24  newer only from the way I read it.

   rwp@havoc:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
   7.8

   rwp@havoc:~$ dpkg -l apache2
   Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold

   | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait
   |/Trig-pend / Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err:
   | uppercase=bad)
   |
   ||/ Name   Version  Architecture Description

  
 +++-==---=
 ii  apache22.2.22-13+de i386 Apache HTTP
 Server metapackage

   rwp@havoc:~$ grep SSLCipherSuite
 /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf SSLCipherSuite
 HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5
   #   to the SSLCipherSuite list, and enable SSLHonorCipherOrder.
   #SSLCipherSuite RC4-SHA:AES128-SHA:HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5

 Note however that I always override it in the site config file.  But
 the point is that I think you must have some other problem in your
 configuration.

  However on the restart, I logged this in /var/log/apache2/error.log:
 
  [Sat Mar 21 18:08:02 2015] [info] removed PID file
  /var/run/apache2.pid (pid=2954) [Sat Mar 21 18:08:02 2015] [notice]
  caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [notice]
  Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations [Sat
  Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [info] Server built: Dec 27 2014 21:24:43 [Sat
  Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [debug] worker.c(1757): AcceptMutex: sysvsem
  (default: sysvsem) [Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [error] (2)No such
  file or directory: Couldn't bind unix domain socket
  /var/log/httpd/${APACHE_RUN_DIR}/cgisock.4944

 Using /var/log/httpd on a Debian system?  The use of httpd is more
 typical of a Red Hat system.  Did you make an edit that followed a Red
 Hat guide on your Debian system and cross the streams?

 Are you running FastCGI with your Apache instead of the internal
 Apache handler?  (Which is fine.)  Check the configuration for it.
 Something might be snafu there setting the communication socket.

I think I am, but its been years since I last messed with that.  Is there 
a quick way to tell someplace in the /etc/apache2 tree?

 Also a cgi communication socket would normally go in /var/run not
 /var/log.  So something is snafu there.  For example using
 /var/run/fcgiwrap.socket is typical with fcgiwrap and spawn-fcgi.

 When I restart my Debian apache2 I see this:

   # service apache2 restart

   [Sat Mar 21 17:10:16 2015] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
   [Sat Mar 21 17:10:17 2015] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) DAV/2
 SVN/1.6.17 configured -- resuming normal operations

So obviously I've enabled something, maybe fastcgi?
 I hate to ask but it is also important to know if you are using
 systemd or not since it affects everything.

Not yet, although there are whispers of it presence in the form of unused 
directories a couple places I tripped over it.

  No clue how to fix this one, APACHE_RUN_DIR is not set in the
  environment. Broken init.d script perhaps??

 It is in the /etc/apache2/envvars file.

Ahh, lemme check. BRB.  Humm, its not in that file, so

   $ grep APACHE_RUN_DIR /etc/apache2/envvars
   export APACHE_RUN_DIR=/var/run/apache2$SUFFIX

Add this, restart.  Solves both problems.  Thank you, Bob.

  [Sat Mar 21 18:08:04 2015] [crit] cgid daemon failed to initialize
 
  But this seems to be a never mind as it doesn't seem to effect
  performance in any case.  How important is it?

 I have no idea.

 Bob

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Problem forward/postroute http/https thru vlan-ed interface.

2015-03-21 Thread Mimiko

Hello.

Recently I tried to combine multiple ISP using a layer 2 switch into one 
port connected to a debian wheezy router.


I set up in interfaces:
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address local_lan_ip
netmask mask
auto eth1.2
iface eth1.2 inet static
address isp1
netmask mask
auto eth1.4
iface eth2.4 inet static
address isp2
netmask mask

VLAN ID 2 is for tagging to ISP1
VLAN ID 4 is for tagging to ISP2

Also for load balancing I do:
ip route replace default scope global nexthop via $eth1.2_gateway dev 
$eth1.2_eth weight 100 nexthop via $eth2.4_gateway dev $eth2.4_eth 
weight 100


In iptables I do:

iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1.2 -j MASQUERADE
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1.4 -j MASQUERADE

iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT

Now when i ping from the linux router - it works.
When I ping from some workstation behind router - it works.
When I open some ftp from workstation - it works.

But, when I try to open a web page from workstation - it does not work.
I even tried on linux router:
wget google.com
and after resolving to ip it waited long long time to download page and 
didn't received any packet.


What is wrong with http/htpps ? Why icmp works, ftp works, but 
http/https is not working?


The same configuration of iptables, ip route but moving to eth1 and eth2 
- physical interfaces for each ISP - all works as it should be.


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Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Gene Heskett wrote:
 I have been considering switching to https.

On the one hand it would be good ever all traffic used https.  On the
other hand it won't prevent someone from knowing what sites you visit
or what visiters are visiting your site.  All of your pages are
publicly known anyway.  Good to contribute to the https traffic
though.

 No login will ever exist according to gene as I find the saving of 
 usernames and passwords on a per site basis, a quite major pain in the 
 ass.  People who are interested in what I have to offer (a lot of horn 
 blowing by an old fart to be sure) should not be subjected to that 
 insanity.

Then I am still of the mind that I would not worry about using
https for it.  For your use case keeping it simple is probably the
better way to go.

 And they can do that with much less effort if I don't use it.  One of the 
 reasons my web page is a bit incomplete in re my hobbies.  So I am much 
 more concerned with keeping visitors in a user permissions jail so they 
 cannot tour the rest of this machine. Help in that regard would be most 
 appreciated.

That sounds like something that would be a good question to this list
with potential for a good discussion that many people might share an
interest.  Putting services such as web servers into containers is
becoming the best practice these days.  There are many ways to do it.
If you do please start a new discussion thread for it rather than
diverting here.

Bob


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Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Gene Heskett wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
  $ grep SSLCipherSuite /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf
  SSLCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5

 This is not valid for a 2.22 install

What is the error you are seeing?  That looks to be okay to me.

  rwp@havoc:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 
  7.8

  rwp@havoc:~$ dpkg -l apache2
  Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
  | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
  |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
  ||/ Name   Version  Architecture Description
  +++-==---=
  ii  apache22.2.22-13+de i386 Apache HTTP Server metapackage

  rwp@havoc:~$ grep SSLCipherSuite /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf
  SSLCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5
  #   to the SSLCipherSuite list, and enable SSLHonorCipherOrder.
  #SSLCipherSuite RC4-SHA:AES128-SHA:HIGH:MEDIUM:!aNULL:!MD5

Note however that I always override it in the site config file.  But
the point is that I think you must have some other problem in your
configuration.

 However on the restart, I logged this in /var/log/apache2/error.log:
 
 [Sat Mar 21 18:08:02 2015] [info] removed PID file /var/run/apache2.pid 
 (pid=2954)
 [Sat Mar 21 18:08:02 2015] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
 [Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) configured -- 
 resuming normal operations
 [Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [info] Server built: Dec 27 2014 21:24:43
 [Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [debug] worker.c(1757): AcceptMutex: sysvsem 
 (default: sysvsem)
 [Sat Mar 21 18:08:03 2015] [error] (2)No such file or directory: Couldn't 
 bind unix domain socket /var/log/httpd/${APACHE_RUN_DIR}/cgisock.4944

Using /var/log/httpd on a Debian system?  The use of httpd is more
typical of a Red Hat system.  Did you make an edit that followed a Red
Hat guide on your Debian system and cross the streams?

Are you running FastCGI with your Apache instead of the internal
Apache handler?  (Which is fine.)  Check the configuration for it.
Something might be snafu there setting the communication socket.

Also a cgi communication socket would normally go in /var/run not
/var/log.  So something is snafu there.  For example using
/var/run/fcgiwrap.socket is typical with fcgiwrap and spawn-fcgi.

When I restart my Debian apache2 I see this:

  # service apache2 restart

  [Sat Mar 21 17:10:16 2015] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down
  [Sat Mar 21 17:10:17 2015] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.6.17 
configured -- resuming normal operations

I hate to ask but it is also important to know if you are using
systemd or not since it affects everything.

 No clue how to fix this one, APACHE_RUN_DIR is not set in the environment.
 Broken init.d script perhaps??

It is in the /etc/apache2/envvars file.

  $ grep APACHE_RUN_DIR /etc/apache2/envvars
  export APACHE_RUN_DIR=/var/run/apache2$SUFFIX

 [Sat Mar 21 18:08:04 2015] [crit] cgid daemon failed to initialize
 
 But this seems to be a never mind as it doesn't seem to effect performance
 in any case.  How important is it?

I have no idea.

Bob


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How to handle network problems

2015-03-21 Thread Ross Boylan
Networking inside some VM's was so  slow as  to be non-functional; I
finally found https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855640,
which suggested (note 11)
ethtool -K eth0 gro off
With that change, everything worked well, except that speedtest.net
was not able to connect for the upload speed test.  So I'm not sure if
the problem is completely fixed.

If anyone has suggestions about diagnosing or solving the problem,
that would be great.

I am also wondering if I should let someone know about this problem
since the solution is really just a work-around.  I'm not sure if the
real problem is with the virtio drivers, the hardware network drivers,
the bridging code, kvm,

I had the problem with a Windows 7 VM (with RedHat's virtio drivers),
but there are reports of similar trouble with Linux guests.  There is
also a very similar report with newer kernels
(http://askubuntu.com/questions/503863/poor-upload-speed-in-kvm-guest-with-virtio-eth-driver-in-openstack-on-3-14
and references from there), but since that is reported as a regression
it may be different.

The vm is running under KVM under libvirt, via virt-manager.  Using
bridged networking from libvirt and  virtio from inside the VM.

Thanks.
Ross Boylan


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Re: how to debug this fuse problem

2015-03-21 Thread Harry Putnam
Eduard Bloch e...@gmx.de writes:

 searching with `aptitudue search ckt7' (or ckt4)  finds nothing at all.

 It's just an arbitrary version string. It can be (almost) anything, even
 1.2.3.myCuteVersion-10.9.8.

 I suspect I could/should be running i686 with pae.  Not sure why the
 installer choose a 486 kernel originally ... (it changed to 586 during a
 full-upgrade a mnth or two ago)
 
 The jessie OS here is running as vbox guest on a 2x Xeon on HP xw8600

 I don't know why the installer chose that kernel, your Xeon should be
 fully i686 compatible. If the installation is damaged somehow (see
 above) then switching to another kernel might make the problem
 disappear.

Many thanks to all posters... this is quite a useful thread to me.
Still haven't got to fixing the problem but with the information here
I am now well armed.

Thanks posters


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Algo raro con las memorias flash y Debian 7 LXDE

2015-03-21 Thread cpp
Hola lista. En mi trabajo tengo instalado en las estaciones de trabajo
Debian 7 LXDE. Todo muy bien, solo un detalle, por ejemplo, cuando un
usuario inserta una memoria flash o pendrive por vez primera y luego la
retira, al insertar otra memoria diferente, pues le sale la información de
la primera que retiró o anterior. Ya muchos usuarios se me han quejado al
respecto y la única solución que le he dado es decirles que cierren la
sesión y la vuevan a abrir, de esta forma es que se puede visualizar la
información de la última memoria insertada, y así sucesivamente.

Esta forma que utilizo es algo tediosa. Pudiera alguien darme una ayuda al
respecto.

Muchas gracias


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Re: Algo raro con las memorias flash y Debian 7 LXDE

2015-03-21 Thread Sergio Bessopeanetto

El 21/03/15 a las 20:50, c...@pinarte.cult.cu escibió:

Hola lista. En mi trabajo tengo instalado en las estaciones de trabajo
Debian 7 LXDE. Todo muy bien, solo un detalle, por ejemplo, cuando un
usuario inserta una memoria flash o pendrive por vez primera y luego la
retira, al insertar otra memoria diferente, pues le sale la información de
la primera que retiró o anterior. Ya muchos usuarios se me han quejado al
respecto y la única solución que le he dado es decirles que cierren la
sesión y la vuevan a abrir, de esta forma es que se puede visualizar la
información de la última memoria insertada, y así sucesivamente.

Esta forma que utilizo es algo tediosa. Pudiera alguien darme una ayuda al
respecto.

Muchas gracias


Para quitar la memoria Flash siempre hay que hacerlo en modo seguro, es 
decir, desmontándola desde pcmfm. Quizás lo que haces es quitarla sin 
mediar ese procedimiento. Deberías informale a los usuarios que 
desmonten antes de quitar la memoria.


Saludos

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Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-21 Thread Gene Heskett


On Saturday 21 March 2015 17:04:03 Bob Proulx wrote:
 Gene Heskett wrote:
  Call me confused.  And I do run my own web page from this machine. 
  URL in sig.
  Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene

 That is a non-https page.  Do you operate any https pages requiring
 security?  I didn't find any.  If you aren't using https then the
 discussion here about the POODLE attach against https isn't relevant.

  First, there is no ~./etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf, but there
  is a /etc/apache2/mods-available/ssl.conf

 Right.

  With relatively sparse bits of uncommenting that would appear to be
  related here:
 
  SSLCipherSuite AES128+EECDH:AES128+EDH
  SSLHonorCipherOrder on
  SSLProtocol all -SSLv2 -SSLv3
  Header always set Strict-Transport-Security max-age=63072000;
  include SubDomains
  Header alway set X-Frame-Options DENY

 If you were operating an ssl site then the above would match the
 current recommendations from:

I have been considering switching to https.

   https://cipherli.st/

 But as far as I can see you are not running https.  Therefore
 modifying those files is simply creating more work for yourself. :-(

 I will note that it is a fast changing environment.  I hate to quote
 static lists like that since tomorrow they may be different.

Might even be different by the time we had dinner. :)

 Instead 
 I like to point to centralized information resources like the
 ssllabs.com and cipherli.st sites to coordinate the current wisdom.

Best practice I believe.  Better chance of everybody being on the same 
page that way.

  Documentation on this stuff and its interactions is sparse at best
  despite the fact that I have installed what s/b the correct man
  pages.

 For web servers most of the documentation is on the web.  It is just
 the nature of things.

  Some of the above has been edited persuant to anti POODLE
  instructions found by google.
 
  So, am I safe, or low hanging fruit with those settings?

 As far as I can see you are safe since you are not operating a web
 site that uses encryption to secure any pages.  Therefore none of this
 discussion applies to you as a web admin.

 The question here is whether a POODLE attack can allow a man in the
 middle attacker to see the plaintext of an SSL connection.  To
 consider the danger lets say a web site requires a login, uses cookies
 to maintain a session, and https to keep others from sniffing your
 login credentials.  A successful attack could give someone else your
 cookie data which they could use to log into that site as you.

No login will ever exist according to gene as I find the saving of 
usernames and passwords on a per site basis, a quite major pain in the 
ass.  People who are interested in what I have to offer (a lot of horn 
blowing by an old fart to be sure) should not be subjected to that 
insanity.

 But you are talking about your own site that you are maintaining.  If
 you are not using SSL then this simply does not apply to you.  If you
 are using SSL then it depends upon what, where, why, and so forth.
 Someone using it just to add noise to the encrypted data traffic would
 always be safe too since it wouldn't be worse than not encrypting it.

 The POODLE attack doesn't allow someone to directly break into your
 web server.  The attack is about listening to encrypted traffic.
 Information gained by sniffing may allow further attacks however.

And they can do that with much less effort if I don't use it.  One of the 
reasons my web page is a bit incomplete in re my hobbies.  So I am much 
more concerned with keeping visitors in a user permissions jail so they 
cannot tour the rest of this machine. Help in that regard would be most 
appreciated.

 If someone were using something like SquirrelMail or Roundcube or
 Mailpile for a webmail interface for example then they should be
 directly concerned over this type of attack.  Someone targeting them
 might be able to log into the web as them and send email as them.  And
 the same for most other web login interfaces.  (Many people are in
 terror over the idea of someone logging into Facebook as them.
 Research Firesheep.)

I heard about that, its just one of the reasons I do not inhabit any 
sites of that ilk, like most I value my privacy.  We all should rebel at 
such intrusions in exactly the same way I treated the pols, who of 
course excluded them selves from the National Do Not Call Act.

My phone # got unlisted after some penny ante pol called wanting my vote 
(in a different state mind you) at 3AM.  Had he been standing at the 
foot of my bed, he would have left zipped up in a bag.

What our ballots need is a none of the above box, and if none wins, they 
start all over with the current list of candidates disqualified from 
running again in this election cycle.

OTOH, I vent enough on the mailing lists that I expect my name is well 
recorded in Utah.  Tsk Tsk. Time (as in 80 years) has already done much 
of what they can do to me.

Thanks Bob.


Re: Versión minima de Debian

2015-03-21 Thread Esteban Monge


El 19 de marzo de 2015 5:39:24 PM CST, Carlos Zuniga carlos@gmail.com 
escribió:
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 El Thu, 19 Mar 2015 11:41:43 -0300, mramirez escribió:

 Hola!
 Ve si te sirve:

 http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/index_es.html

 No, no me vale.

 ¿Desde cuando Damn Small Linux es Debian? ;-)


No es propiamente Debian, pero esta basado en Knoppix que a su vez
esta basado en Debian ;)

http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros#damnsmall


Porque la gente sigue recomendando  esta distribución? Desde 2012 no veo 
movimiento? No es pregunta odiosa es que de verdad me gustaría  saber. Sigue 
manteniendo actualizaciones?

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Re: Problem forward/postroute http/https thru vlan-ed interface.

2015-03-21 Thread Sven Hartge
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
 Mimiko wrote:

 I set up in interfaces:
 auto eth0
 iface eth0 inet static
   address local_lan_ip
   netmask mask
 auto eth1.2
 iface eth1.2 inet static
   address isp1
   netmask mask
 auto eth1.4
 iface eth2.4 inet static
   address isp2
   netmask mask
 
 VLAN ID 2 is for tagging to ISP1
 VLAN ID 4 is for tagging to ISP2

 I see no vlans in your configuration above.  The above simply shows
 additional IP addresses being assigned.  If your switch is requiring
 vlan tagging then that is likely your problem.

Ah, nope. 

It's magic. Since Wheezy ifupdown knows the notation 
interface dot VLAN-ID and automatically creates an appropriatly
configured interface. (In Squeeze you needed the vlan-package or a
small scriptled in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d to issue the correct
ip-commands.)

Try for you self, put one config like the above in your
network/interfaces file and use ifup -v to see what commands are used.

Also see the man-page for interfaces(5):

,
| VLAN AND BRIDGE INTERFACES
|To  ease  the  configuration  of  VLAN  interfaces, interfaces having .
|(full stop character) in the name are configured as 802.1q tagged  vir‐
|tual  LAN  interface. For example, interface eth0.1 is a virtual inter‐
|face having eth0 as physical link, with VLAN ID 1.
`

 See the documentation for setting up vlans here:

   https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration

That is horribly outdated. It even says Etch on the part for VLANs.

Grüße,
Sven.

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sound vanished with a reboot?

2015-03-21 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings audio guru's;

All sound Except the new mail beep from kmail, vanished with the first 
reboot after 20 days uptime while dinking around with what was sold to 
me as a new 2Tb Toshiba drive, but which did not turn out to be a 
sealed box.  I do not think its related.

Pursuant to someones suggestions, I installed pavuctl and pavumeter this 
morning early, but according to synaptic, that is the extent of the pulse 
install, no other pulse stuff is seen as installed by synaptic.  And of
coarse, they don't work, no server.

But it has just worked through 4 or 5 other reboots 20 days+ prior to this one.

Do we have any tracing tools that would allow me to start at the usual 
iceweasal audio output and see how its all linked  maybe discover 
where the stream of data is getting lost?

From an lspci -vv output, this I believe is the motherboard hardware. 
There is also an eVga card with an unbonded HDMI output.  It checks in
in an lspci output as Device 1302

But it uses the same snd-hda-intel module as the motherboard one uses, 
so I cannot blacklist it by the usual means

00:06.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 81f6
Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- 
Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast TAbort- TAbort- 
MAbort- SERR- PERR- INTx-
Latency: 0 (500ns min, 1250ns max)
Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 20
Region 0: Memory at fe02 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA 
PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable+ 64bit+
Address:   Data: 
Masking:   Pending: 
Capabilities: [6c] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping Enable- Fixed+

KMix shows two cards, both ID'd as hda-intel, one shows all the usual
culprits, while the 2nd one is blank.  No way to firmly tell which is which.

The keyboard volume control still goes thru all the motions, while the 
speakers, except for the kmail driven new mail beep, are mute.

Ideas please?

Thanks  Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Gene Heskett wrote:
  Are you running FastCGI with your Apache instead of the internal
  Apache handler?  (Which is fine.)  Check the configuration for it.
  Something might be snafu there setting the communication socket.
 
 I think I am, but its been years since I last messed with that.  Is there 
 a quick way to tell someplace in the /etc/apache2 tree?

I would try grep'ing the entire tree looking for the socket file name.
That config has to be in there somewhere.

  grep -r cgisock /etc/apache2

   No clue how to fix this one, APACHE_RUN_DIR is not set in the
   environment. Broken init.d script perhaps??
 
  It is in the /etc/apache2/envvars file.
 
 Ahh, lemme check. BRB.  Humm, its not in that file, so
 
$ grep APACHE_RUN_DIR /etc/apache2/envvars
export APACHE_RUN_DIR=/var/run/apache2$SUFFIX
 
 Add this, restart.  Solves both problems.  Thank you, Bob.

That file has a lot of stuff in it.  If you were missing that then you
are probably missing a lot of that file.  I would be inclined to
re-install apache2.2-common in order to get a clean copy of that
file.  Normally there isn't any reason to need to modify it.  I will
include a copy from Wheezy 7 at the end.

Bob

# envvars - default environment variables for apache2ctl

# this won't be correct after changing uid
unset HOME

# for supporting multiple apache2 instances
if [ ${APACHE_CONFDIR##/etc/apache2-} != ${APACHE_CONFDIR} ] ; then
SUFFIX=-${APACHE_CONFDIR##/etc/apache2-}
else
SUFFIX=
fi

# Since there is no sane way to get the parsed apache2 config in scripts, some
# settings are defined via environment variables and then used in apache2ctl,
# /etc/init.d/apache2, /etc/logrotate.d/apache2, etc.
export APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data
export APACHE_RUN_GROUP=www-data
export APACHE_PID_FILE=/var/run/apache2$SUFFIX.pid
export APACHE_RUN_DIR=/var/run/apache2$SUFFIX
export APACHE_LOCK_DIR=/var/lock/apache2$SUFFIX
# Only /var/log/apache2 is handled by /etc/logrotate.d/apache2.
export APACHE_LOG_DIR=/var/log/apache2$SUFFIX

## The locale used by some modules like mod_dav
export LANG=C
## Uncomment the following line to use the system default locale instead:
#. /etc/default/locale

export LANG

## The command to get the status for 'apache2ctl status'.
## Some packages providing 'www-browser' need '--dump' instead of '-dump'.
#export APACHE_LYNX='www-browser -dump'

## If you need a higher file descriptor limit, uncomment and adjust the
## following line (default is 8192):
#APACHE_ULIMIT_MAX_FILES='ulimit -n 65536'


## If you would like to pass arguments to the web server, add them below
## to the APACHE_ARGUMENTS environment.
#export APACHE_ARGUMENTS=''


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Re: Why no security update of apache2 concerning SSLv3?

2015-03-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 21 March 2015 20:28:50 Bob Proulx wrote:
 Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]
   It is in the /etc/apache2/envvars file.
 
  Ahh, lemme check. BRB.  Humm, its not in that file, so
 
 $ grep APACHE_RUN_DIR /etc/apache2/envvars
 export APACHE_RUN_DIR=/var/run/apache2$SUFFIX
 
  Add this, restart.  Solves both problems.  Thank you, Bob.

 That file has a lot of stuff in it.  If you were missing that then you
 are probably missing a lot of that file.  I would be inclined to
 re-install apache2.2-common in order to get a clean copy of that
 file.  Normally there isn't any reason to need to modify it.  I will
 include a copy from Wheezy 7 at the end.

 Bob

 # envvars - default environment variables for apache2ctl

 # this won't be correct after changing uid
 unset HOME

Not present. I assume it has to do with the below missing stanza?

 # for supporting multiple apache2 instances
 if [ ${APACHE_CONFDIR##/etc/apache2-} != ${APACHE_CONFDIR} ] ;
 then SUFFIX=-${APACHE_CONFDIR##/etc/apache2-}
 else
   SUFFIX=
 fi

This above if:fi stanza is not present, but I'm only running one 
startup.

I assume this is for serving two+ unrelated sites from one machine?

 # Since there is no sane way to get the parsed apache2 config in
 scripts, some # settings are defined via environment variables and
 then used in apache2ctl, # /etc/init.d/apache2,
 /etc/logrotate.d/apache2, etc.
 export APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data
 export APACHE_RUN_GROUP=www-data
 export APACHE_PID_FILE=/var/run/apache2$SUFFIX.pid
 export APACHE_RUN_DIR=/var/run/apache2$SUFFIX
 export APACHE_LOCK_DIR=/var/lock/apache2$SUFFIX

And this  one was missing too. Added, effect unk ATM.
restart was as expected.

 # Only /var/log/apache2 is handled by /etc/logrotate.d/apache2.
 export APACHE_LOG_DIR=/var/log/apache2$SUFFIX

Present.

 ## The locale used by some modules like mod_dav
 export LANG=C

present.
 ## Uncomment the following line to use the system default locale
 instead: #. /etc/default/locale

 export LANG
present.

 ## The command to get the status for 'apache2ctl status'.
 ## Some packages providing 'www-browser' need '--dump' instead of
 '-dump'. #export APACHE_LYNX='www-browser -dump'

 ## If you need a higher file descriptor limit, uncomment and adjust
 the ## following line (default is 8192):
 #APACHE_ULIMIT_MAX_FILES='ulimit -n 65536'


 ## If you would like to pass arguments to the web server, add them
 below ## to the APACHE_ARGUMENTS environment.
 #export APACHE_ARGUMENTS=''

Unless someone else see's a problem, it looks like I am, as was said in 
1960 while building Titan missiles in South Dakota, FAT, dumb  happy.

Now, sound, but that is another thread.  Thanks for your patience Bob.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.
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Re: Problem forward/postroute http/https thru vlan-ed interface.

2015-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Sven Hartge wrote:
 Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
  I see no vlans in your configuration above.  The above simply shows
  additional IP addresses being assigned.  If your switch is requiring
  vlan tagging then that is likely your problem.
 
 Ah, nope. 
 
 It's magic. Since Wheezy ifupdown knows the notation 
 interface dot VLAN-ID and automatically creates an appropriatly
 configured interface. (In Squeeze you needed the vlan-package or a
 small scriptled in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d to issue the correct
 ip-commands.)

What?  They have changed the syntax and I am out of date?!  Horrors!  :-/
I will go and learn the new syntax for these things.

  VLAN AND BRIDGE INTERFACES
   To ease the configuration  of  VLAN  interfaces,  interfaces  having  .
   (full  stop character) in the name are configured as 802.1q tagged vir-
   tual LAN interface. For example, interface eth0.1 is a  virtual  inter-
   face having eth0 as physical link, with VLAN ID 1.

   For  compatibility with bridge-utils package, if bridge_ports option is
   specified, VLAN interface configuration is not performed.

Thanks for pointing this out.

  See the documentation for setting up vlans here:
 
https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
 
 That is horribly outdated. It even says Etch on the part for VLANs.

Would you feel like updating it?  It is a wiki after all.

Bob


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Re: Problem forward/postroute http/https thru vlan-ed interface.

2015-03-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Mimiko wrote:
 What is wrong with http/htpps ? Why icmp works, ftp works, but http/https is
 not working?

Since Sven pointed out that I was out of date I no longer have a
clue.

To debug this I would run tcpdump on both sides of the router and
examine the packets for http and verify that they are being passed
through and NAT'd correctly.  You should be able to verify the return
packets through the router.  If there is a problem along the way then
you should be able to see where the packets are getting lost.  That
should point to the problem.

 The same configuration of iptables, ip route but moving to eth1 and eth2 -
 physical interfaces for each ISP - all works as it should be.

IMNHO if you can use two different physical interfaces then I think
that is the better way to do it.

Bob


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