Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Em 12 de abril de 2015 16:17, Geowany Galdino geowanygald...@gmail.com escreveu: Boa tarde, pessoal! Eu comprei dois notebooks que já vieram com Mandriva. Excelente custo x benefício por não pagar pela venda casada (aquele SO proprietário) e não tive problemas para rodar o Debian. quais? onde? teve que habilitar a non-free? rodou que versão do debian. quero um notebook para testing. Abraços, Em 12 de abril de 2015 14h06min57s GMT-05:00, P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com escreveu: O ideal como alguns comentaram, é saber qual hardware que vem... saber qual placa wireless... ou placa de vídeo... geralmente aonde se encontram os maiores problemas... ver tb com relação ao touchpad ou alguma funcionalidade como biometria se vier... a maoria dos problemas em hardwares novos encontram nesses itens... Em 12/04/15, Linux - Junior Polegatoli...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAPr829=eunmgu+3gmykhdjfy15dezheramgrxy7-nlytx_e...@mail.gmail.com
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Em 12 de abril de 2015 15:23, Linux - Junior Polegato li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. o reembolso é bom. mas o que eu quero mesmo é não ter driver proprietário. funcionar com o debian sem non-free tá bom pra mim. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAPr829vmg4ywJnEw=gM10D9kmUv2WAfFRaH6CJBd==axl...@mail.gmail.com
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Fred, Eu utilizo um Dell Inspirion 14R. Somente a segunda placa de video(nvidia) e o Wirelless(Realtek) não funcionam somente com o Main do Debian. Pedi uma placa wireless da Atheros que funciona com driver livre. Ai terei uma máquina que só utilizo drivers livres (não faço questão da segunda placa de video). *Atenciosamente* *Daniel Lenharo de Souza* *Sombra* +55 41 9933-8394 Analista de Informática http://about.me/sombra Em 12 de abril de 2015 20:13, Alessandro Bandeira Duarte dedekin...@alessandroduarte.com.br escreveu: Nesse mesmo hardware, tenho debian 8 instalado, só com main habilitado e linux-libre # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main # jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main ## #Linux-libre ## deb http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh main On 12-04-2015 20:03, Fred Maranhão wrote: Em 12 de abril de 2015 15:23, Linux - Junior Polegato li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. o reembolso é bom. mas o que eu quero mesmo é não ter driver proprietário. funcionar com o debian sem non-free tá bom pra mim. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese- requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAPr829mHxkO2cqTTV_PDBX5bsPU_ mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552afc27.1080...@alessandroduarte.com.br
Re: debian 8
On 13/04/2015, David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote: Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): As I have previously stated, elsewhere, I have not been able to get a screensaver and screenlock, to properly run, on Debian 7; the only thing that I have found, so far, is the trojan horse that is part of the xfce interface, and, on a previous occasion, as what had appeared to have been an orderly system shutdown, apparently failed (the system shut down, but then led to a system failure, with no power lights or anything, on trying to later, power up the computer), requiring the system to be taken to a hardware service place for repair, and, as I have as yet been unable to get Debian 7 to find a connected (and yes, connected and powered up, before booting the computer) external monitor, on two separte compters running Debian 7, then, yes, I believe that my experience is that Debian 7 still has a way to go, before it is functional and stable. Debian 7, to me, is still testing, and, it is very testing. It has certainly made a fool of me, having caused me to take a computer to a hardware service place, about 40km away, for hardware repair, due to what was done to the system, by Debian 7. What did they find out was wrong with it? What they told me, is that the problem was solved by removing the battery, for about 15 minutes, then reinstalling the battery, and that the cause is that sometimes, operating systems do not shutdown properly. Before they fixed it, atfer the last time that the computer had been last used and shutdown and put away, when the computer was connected to the power pack, no lights (including the power light), came on, and, when the power button was pressed, to turn it on, nothing happened; no lights or anything else, and the same applied, with the battery in it. I had had the impression that the computer had died, and, at first (when I took the computer to them), they said that it was possible that the motherboard had failed. A step in their diagnostic procedure, was the removal of the battery, as described. According to them, the whole of the problem, was the failure of the last used operating system, to properly shutdown. The computer works (as much as Debian 7 works, which, in itself, is an issue) fine, now, after they fixed it. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8Mgqxg--76_czy5ik_XdKBrFJ-UGxg1UUFAg=vzeza...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
bri...@aracnet.com writes: the most inconvenient thing about not using gnome is not having a way to handle USS mass storage devices. Perhaps pmount or autofs might be of use ? Alexis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87sic461jd@gmail.com
Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi all. According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to be the very minimal gnome installation in Debian. But in my personal experience it is not so. Just after installing Debian, I installed gnome-core just to have the minimal gnome installation. Then I noticed that totem, the video player, was also installed even though I hadn't. Since I use mplayer, I did `aptitude purge totem' and was surprised to see that gnome-core depended on totem, so that removing totem would also remove gnome-core. I did so, and now gnome desktop environment, even without gnome-core package, seems to work well. So I ask to myself what gnome minimal install should really be. I have Sid. Thanks for any help, Obviously, you've realized (or soon will) that GNOME's idea of a minimal install and your's (or mine) are diametrically different. You'll never get what you want. I know. I've tried. GNOME's parts are too integrated, too dependent on each other. That's one of the reasons I've abandoned it entirely. I like compact, light, fast systems. GNOME, once a reasonably lightweight desktop, has now become a leviathan. I suggest you look at LXDE. It's lightweight and very modular, and designed to easily choose what you do and don't want installed. lxde-common is what you install first. It only has one dependency lxsession. It's NOT a metapackage. LXDE does have one, if you just want a working desktop with little effort. It's called -- what else? -- lxde-core. Of course, if you really want TOTAL control of your GUI, a window manager is the way to go. That's what I did. Installed Openbox. The same WM that LXDE uses. A little more work, but worth it. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412185554.47222...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
On 12-04-2015 19:33, Fred Maranhão wrote: pois é. e eu não quero um computador que simplesmente funcione. eu quero um que funcione totalmente com software livre. sem drivers proprietários. coisa bem radical, na linha richard stallman mesmo. mas não sei se vou conseguir Muito massa... A proposito eu gosto muito do trabalho que você faz no Debian. Você não tem ideia (ou talvez tenha;) de como é importante ter localização de software e documentação na hora de divulgar o Debian. Parabéns Fred! -- Tiago Rocha É bom tudo aquilo que faço que diminui o meu poder sobre outra pessoa; é ruim tudo aquilo que faço que aumenta o meu poder sobre ela.” Antônio Joaquim Severino -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552b315c.3030...@openmailbox.org
Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors
On 10/04/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 09 April 2015 10:22:23 Bret Busby wrote: Does Debian 7 work with external monitors? Yes. Though I have found that the external monitor needs to be there, and on, before I boot up, in order for it to be seen. (Acer Aspire One) Lisi That still does not work. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pgb33nihevpn4k7dknmak21kua_8m0mcjvxirr-ui...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors
On 10/04/2015, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 10 April 2015 05:38:27 Bret Busby wrote: On my Debian 6 desktop computer, from the menu's, is System - Preferences - Monitors which has the option Detect monitors. This is a matter of desktop environment choice, not distro version choice. Lisi But, it differs, even with the same desktop environment, as I have stated in the Debian 8 thread. It is inconsistent. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8ozyhw2kdhrzlbs8n45c2cwfibopkdm1sfkan0zkzd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian 7 and external monitors and graphics adaptors
On 10/04/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/04/2015, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote: Bret Busby writes: 00.01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices (AMD nee ATI Device 9852 Type xrandr. You should have one entry for each possible connector. # xrandr xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default Screen 0: minimum 1366 x 768, current 1368 x 768, maximum 1368 x 768 default connected 1368x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm 1366x7680.0 1368x7680.0* For lshw ; t# lshw debian-acer-e5-521 description: Notebook product: Aspire E5-521 (Aspire E5-521_0865_V1.01) vendor: Acer version: V1.01 serial: NXMLFSA011450175B33400 width: 64 bits capabilities: smbios-2.8 dmi-2.8 vsyscall32 configuration: chassis=notebook family=Beema Family sku=Aspire E5-521_0865_V1.01 uuid=710F8BF0-7F7A-11E4-85C7-F0761C704419 *-core description: Motherboard product: Larne vendor: Acer physical id: 0 version: V1.01 serial: NBMLF110024507EF7F3400 slot: Base Board Chassis Location *-firmware description: BIOS vendor: Insyde Corp. physical id: 0 version: V1.01 date: 05/27/2014 size: 128KiB capacity: 8128KiB capabilities: pci upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect edd int13floppynec int13floppytoshiba int13floppy360 int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int9keyboard int10video acpi usb biosbootspecification uefi *-cpu description: CPU product: AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] physical id: 4 bus info: cpu@0 version: AMD E2-6110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics serial: NotSupport slot: Socket FT3b size: 1GHz capacity: 1500MHz width: 64 bits clock: 100MHz capabilities: x86-64 fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt topoext arat xsaveopt hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save tsc_scale flushbyasid decodeassists pausefilter pfthreshold cpufreq configuration: cores=4 enabledcores=4 threads=4 *-cache:0 description: L1 cache physical id: 5 slot: L1 Cache size: 256KiB capacity: 256KiB clock: 1GHz (1.0ns) capabilities: pipeline-burst internal write-back unified *-cache:1 description: L2 cache physical id: 6 slot: L2 Cache size: 2MiB capacity: 2MiB clock: 1GHz (1.0ns) capabilities: pipeline-burst internal write-back unified *-memory description: System Memory physical id: b slot: System board or motherboard size: 4GiB *-bank:0 description: [empty] product: Empty vendor: Empty physical id: 0 serial: Empty slot: DIMM 0 *-bank:1 description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchronous 1600 MHz (0.6 ns) product: HMT451S6BFR8A-PB vendor: Hynix physical id: 1 serial: C8C00602 slot: DIMM 1 size: 4GiB width: 64 bits clock: 1600MHz (0.6ns) *-pci:0 description: Host bridge product: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] physical id: 100 bus info: pci@:00:00.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz *-display UNCLAIMED description: VGA compatible controller product: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI physical id: 1 bus info: pci@:00:01.0 version: 00 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: pm pciexpress msi vga_controller bus_master cap_list configuration: latency=0 resources: memory:e000-efff memory:f000-f07f ioport:3000(size=256) memory:f0c0-f0c3 memory:f0c8-f0c9 *-multimedia:0 description: Audio device product: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI physical id: 1.1 bus
Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:55:54 -0700 Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Of course, if you really want TOTAL control of your GUI, a window manager is the way to go. That's what I did. Installed Openbox. The same WM that LXDE uses. A little more work, but worth it. i'll second the use of openbox. i use it with fbpanel. i too believe that gnome just pulls in way too much stuff. the most inconvenient thing about not using gnome is not having a way to handle USS mass storage devices. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412220953.7c135...@cedar.deldotd.com
Re: debian 8
On 13/04/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/04/2015, David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote: snip And lastly, just out of interest, I don't recall your saying whether you have tried installing and running D8 yet. Apart from not having GNOME Classic, I note that Debian 8, as with Debian 7, appears to be missing iceape. I do not remember how, but, from memory, I have iceape installed on Debian 7 on the Acer V3-772G, bit it is now, apparently, not available for installation on Debian 7, on the Acer E5-521-238Q. So, without GNOME Classic (or GNOME2, which would be better), and, without iceape, I have no inclination to install Debian 8. And then I remember that it is not iceape, that I have installed on the Acer V3-772G, but seamonkey, beacuse we now have to install seamonkey, if we want the functionality of iceape. But, seamonkey is not available as a .deb package, for installation and updating. It is available only as a .tar.bz2 file, for installation on Linux. So, it has to be downloaded as the compressed file, installed, and connected to a menu, so as to be able to use it. Andl, the instructions have to be followed. And, following the instructions, does not work. So, getting the application to being able to run it, takes days, instead of minutes, with trying to sort out how to get it to work, if we have the time to lose, to try to get it to work. And, we are now returned to the ease of use (difficulty), that we had with slackware, from the time of Red Hat 4, and, without the functionality that was available in Debian 3 and 3.1, as we have lost the functionality of package management. Sometimes, unfortunately, we are forced to admit defeat. Installing software, and getting it to be able to be used, simply is made too difficult. No, I have no intention of installing Debian 8. Life is already difficult enough, without making it worse. I think I will just stick with Debian 6, with its shortcomings, and probably also give up on Debian 7, as also too difficult, and as too unusable. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8p8x8rl9fyjfdw_11cae711+v9awhhd8500eahubko...@mail.gmail.com
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Nesse mesmo hardware, tenho debian 8 instalado, só com main habilitado e linux-libre # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main # jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main ## #Linux-libre ## deb http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh main On 12-04-2015 20:03, Fred Maranhão wrote: Em 12 de abril de 2015 15:23, Linux - Junior Polegato li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. o reembolso é bom. mas o que eu quero mesmo é não ter driver proprietário. funcionar com o debian sem non-free tá bom pra mim. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552afc27.1080...@alessandroduarte.com.br
Re: debian 8
Me again, sorry. My question about the hardware failure was more out of curiosity than anything else, because it's unusual for software problems to break hardware (though quite possible). On to software... Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): So, I have found xfce, on Debian 7, to be too dangerous. Even more incentive to stick with Debian 6, even after the LTS has expired. It seems that, on the eve of the release of Debian 8, Debian 7 is still, even less stable and functional, than Debian 6. When you've run D6 and D7, has it been on the same machine? What's the basic configuration of your system; did you install D7 over D6, or are they in separate partitions so you can try running either one and then the other? Do you have a separate /home partition or any others like that? And lastly, just out of interest, I don't recall your saying whether you have tried installing and running D8 yet. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150413021712.ga10...@alum.home
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
neste mesmo hardware qual? Em 12 de abril de 2015 20:13, Alessandro Bandeira Duarte dedekin...@alessandroduarte.com.br escreveu: Nesse mesmo hardware, tenho debian 8 instalado, só com main habilitado e linux-libre # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main # jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main ## #Linux-libre ## deb http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh main On 12-04-2015 20:03, Fred Maranhão wrote: Em 12 de abril de 2015 15:23, Linux - Junior Polegato li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. o reembolso é bom. mas o que eu quero mesmo é não ter driver proprietário. funcionar com o debian sem non-free tá bom pra mim. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552afc27.1080...@alessandroduarte.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mwbbp9gamukwgbq980enyydei+0x6h0d7tch+1kbz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Jessie
Le 13/04/2015 00:08, jber...@free.fr a écrit : On ne peut plus mettre des icônes dans la barre du haut comme dans l'ancien Gnome, mais c'est une autre logique que je trouve pas mal à l'usage. Bonsoir, Ben non je veux mes applications préférées en haut de l'écran comme avec Gnome2 Tu peux épingler dans la barre gauche les icônes de tes applis favorites. Tu peux afficher une grille de toutes les applis ou de celles que tu utilises le plus. Tu peux récupérer le menu classique dans la barre du haut avec une option de l'appli outil de personnalisation. Et ce que j'apprécie surtout c'est l'affichage instantané de la barre des applis favorites et de toutes les fenêtres des applis en cours par un simple glissement de curseur sur le coin en haut à gauche de l'écran. Je les vois en bas de mon écran, cela me suffit bien, cela ne prend pas de place Pour le fond noir, il suffit en effet de définir un fond d'écran. Apparemment tu n'as pas compris ce que je voulais dire. Certains logiciel se retrouvent avec avec l'écriture blanche sur fond noir ce qui est très désagréable, même pour jouer ;-) Amitiés *hageDe: *Yannick VOYEAUD yann...@voyeaud.org *À: *DEBIAN debian-user-french@lists.debian.org *Envoyé: *Dimanche 12 Avril 2015 21:16:30 *Objet: *Jessie Bonsoir, J'ai fait une MAJ de Wheezy vers Jessie en changeant le nom de la distri dans les dépôts. Au passage merci à Jean de l'ALDIL pour cette idée. Premier constat en utilisant Gnome je perd certains réglages de mon bureau. les barres sises en haut et en bas ont disparues. Donc pas génial. Un mal fou pour mettre MATE (enfin pour le trouver, après cela va). Sous MATE aussi mes paramétrages ont aussi disparus, je dois tout refaire! Je m'en sort mais bon pas glop. Certains logiciels sortent avec ce que je considère comme une HORREUR! un fond noir. Si pour le reste je peux faire avec là ce fond noir me dérange énormément vous ne pouvez savoir. Comment remédier à ce très gros problème? Amitiés -- Yannick VOYEAUD Aidez Ancestris en participant http://fr.ulule.com/ancestrisapoitiers/ -- Yannick VOYEAUD Aidez Ancestris en participant http://fr.ulule.com/ancestrisapoitiers signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Cara, não tenho certeza, mas os Thinkpads são bem free-software friendly. mas não tenho 100% de certeza se vai funcionar sem os non-free, ai precisa ver o modelo e o que vem nele mesmo Tenho um thinkpad com tela touch que funcionou muito bem, não tive nem dor de cabeça pra fazer funcionar. Só não me recordo agora se quando eu instalei estava sem o non-free (que eu acabei precisando instalar por outros projetos, infelizmente). Diego Rabatone Oliveira diraol(arroba)diraol(ponto)eng(ponto)br Identica: (@diraol) http://identi.ca/diraol Twitter: @diraol Em 12 de abril de 2015 20:13, Alessandro Bandeira Duarte dedekin...@alessandroduarte.com.br escreveu: Nesse mesmo hardware, tenho debian 8 instalado, só com main habilitado e linux-libre # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main # jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main ## #Linux-libre ## deb http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh main On 12-04-2015 20:03, Fred Maranhão wrote: Em 12 de abril de 2015 15:23, Linux - Junior Polegato li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. o reembolso é bom. mas o que eu quero mesmo é não ter driver proprietário. funcionar com o debian sem non-free tá bom pra mim. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese- requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAPr829mHxkO2cqTTV_PDBX5bsPU_ mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552afc27.1080...@alessandroduarte.com.br
Re: apt stuck at Reading database
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 11:50:40AM -0500, David Wright wrote: In that situation, my first course of action would be to hide anything but the essential sources.list contents of, basically, something like # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20130615-21:53]/ wheezy main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free I'd even argue that the deb-src entries are not necessary for the majority of Debian users. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150413024615.GA11671@tal
Re: debian 8
On 13/04/2015, David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote: Me again, sorry. My question about the hardware failure was more out of curiosity than anything else, because it's unusual for software problems to break hardware (though quite possible). On to software... Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): So, I have found xfce, on Debian 7, to be too dangerous. Even more incentive to stick with Debian 6, even after the LTS has expired. It seems that, on the eve of the release of Debian 8, Debian 7 is still, even less stable and functional, than Debian 6. When you've run D6 and D7, has it been on the same machine? What's the basic configuration of your system; did you install D7 over D6, or are they in separate partitions so you can try running either one and then the other? Do you have a separate /home partition or any others like that? And lastly, just out of interest, I don't recall your saying whether you have tried installing and running D8 yet. Cheers, David. Hello. No, I have not tried to run Debian 6 and 7 on the same machine, and, I have not installed Debian 7 over Debian 6. I have Debian 6 running on a Dell desktop, and installed and operational on an earlier model Acer laptop with an nVidia GT520M graphics adaptor, and that installation of Debian 6, on the laptop, runs the external monitor, without any problem. However, due to running out of memory on the desktop (which has an i3 CPU, and which I had upgraded to 16GB RAM, as the maximum installable RAM), which is the computer that I use most, as, as previously mentioned, due to the memory swapping mostly not working (it starts to swap, when memory usage reaches about 100%, and memory usage then stays at 100%, and, at present, swap space usage is 36%, with memory usage at 100%), and the CPU load gets quite high (currently showing 89%), I bought a super-duper laptop; the Acer v3-772G, with its i7 CPU and 16GB of RAM, which I had upgraded to 32GB, and, being UEFI/GPT (I had also wanted to use the UEFI/GPT, to be able to install PC-BSD, but, as previously mentioned, installing the version of PC-BSD, that would supposedly install and run on a UEFI/GPT system, was a big, bad, mistake, as that wreaked havoc on the system), and, as I had understood that Debian 7 was needed (rather than Debian 6) to deal with the UEFI/GPT system, and, as Debian 6 is also problematic (apart from the failure to properly swap memory) with transfering data in quantities greater than about 1GB, I installed Debian 7 on the computer (and then, when Debian 7 would not get the external monitor working, I installed, also, Ubuntu 14.04, which did get the external monitor working). The GUI's on the Debian 7 installation, and the Ubuntu installation, being standard GNOME 3, werecrap and diffiocult to use, and, then, by accident, I found that Debian 7 had also GNOME Classic, which I could invoke, when logging in (I had found, initially, reference to GNOME Classic,i n the PC-BSD manual), and, I had installed LXDE and XFCE on the Acer V3-772G computer, but, found them wanting, when I had tried them. So, I now use GNOME Classic, as the least unusable interface, on the Acer V3-772G Debian 7 installation. As Debian 7, running on the super-duper computer, will not find or run the external monitor, because Debian 7 won't droive the nVIDIA graphics adaptor, I bought the Acer E5-521-238Q, which has only an inboard graphics adaptor, as I presumed (unsafe act, apparently, with Debian) that Debian 7 would be adble to drive that graphics adaptor. Wrong. As I have stated elsewhere, MS Windows 8.x, and Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS, run on both of the newer Acer computers, upon which Debian 7 is installed, and, they both drive the respective graphics adaptors, and, run the external monitor, and, MS Win7 and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and Debian 6 run on the Acer 5750G with the nVIDIA GT520M graphics adaptor, and drive that graphics adaptor and run the external monitor, okay, but Debian 7 can not run the external graphics adaptor, and whilst the Acer V3-772G, has a 17 inch scrteen, it is noe of these widescreen expletive deleted things, and, is not a 17 inch proper screen, witha 4:3 aspect ratio, like the Acer 1711, and so these current laptops, need an external monitor, such as the 23 inch widescreen monitor, to give a decent sized display. But, I have been unable to get Debian 7, to run the external monitor, and, that, in itself, is frustrating, apart from all of the other problems with Debian 7. But, the GNOME Classic interface, is inconsistent - on the Acer V3-772G installation of Debian 7, to find the System Settings - Monitors, I have previously stated the menu path, and, as someone on the list (Petter, I think), pointed out, on their installation, as on my Acer E5-521-238Q Debian 7 installation, to access that, and, as I have found, the screen lock (I have yet to find a usable screensaver on Debian 7), is found, by clicking on the use name at the top right corner of the screen
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Não deve ter chegado meu primeiro email Uso Parabola. Funciona bem nesse hardware (nenhum driver proprietário. Kernel linux-libre: Linux logica 3.19.3-gnu-3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Apr 9 17:51:06 UYT 2015 i686 GNU/Linux) 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev09) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor PCI Express Root Port (rev09) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04) 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev c4) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev c4) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation HM75 Express Chipset LPC Controller (rev 04) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 04) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04) 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720M] (rev a1) 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05) On 12-04-2015 21:58, Fred Maranhão wrote: neste mesmo hardware qual? Em 12 de abril de 2015 20:13, Alessandro Bandeira Duarte dedekin...@alessandroduarte.com.br escreveu: Nesse mesmo hardware, tenho debian 8 instalado, só com main habilitado e linux-libre # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 NETINST Binary-1 20141115-10:06]/ jessie main deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie main deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-updates main # jessie-backports, previously on backports.debian.org deb http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main deb-src http://debian.c3sl.ufpr.br/debian/ jessie-backports main ## #Linux-libre ## deb http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh main On 12-04-2015 20:03, Fred Maranhão wrote: Em 12 de abril de 2015 15:23, Linux - Junior Polegato li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. o reembolso é bom. mas o que eu quero mesmo é não ter driver proprietário. funcionar com o debian sem non-free tá bom pra mim. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552afc27.1080...@alessandroduarte.com.br
Re: Book questions
Quoting Iain M Conochie (i...@thargoid.co.uk): On 12/04/15 17:34, David Wright wrote: Quoting Iain M Conochie (i...@thargoid.co.uk): snip IMHO, the issues with perl and python is that you will have to understand Object Orientated Programming (OOP) to get the most out of them, especially for GUI development. This was one of the reasons I drew a blank with perl. This may or may not be the case. Brett, any opinion on this? Oh gosh, I wouldn't just rely on the advice of one or two people here to make your decision. If you type any of perl vs or python vs or ruby vs into google and see the suggestions, then click on a few of them and you will find a lot of knowledgeable discussion of the issues (amongst a wealth of prejudices, of course). If the programs/tools you want to write have GUIs, then you're not going to avoid OOP so that's not really an issue. OOP is a big issue for me :) So I unerstand. However,it might help to see if the way languages handle objects seems natural to you. And really, that's the case for the languages themselves...what fits you best. There's also something to be said for seeing what other people in your field are using as you may want to call upon this community to help solve problems you run into. Sad as it may seem, I am on my own in this. Hence trying to solicit other opinions on this matter, of which yours is most welcome. If my opinions seemed at all abrasive, they were not intended to be, because I was really bouncing my thoughts off your posting towards the OP, Petter. My hate / love / hate of perl (and probably OOP) comes from a long winter of learning the perl by building an auto-updating website, then I wanted to add the data into a mysql DB and finding myself lost and not being able to do what I wanted to do. This was perl 5.0.4 (which probably gives my age away ;) However, it recently came through for me and I was able to use it to build a shell script. Hmm. Looking at Perl's own documentation site, I see By default, Perl's built-in OO system is very minimal, leaving you to do most of the work. This minimalism made a lot of sense in 1994, but in the years since Perl 5.0 we've seen a number of common patterns emerge in Perl OO. Fortunately, Perl's flexibility has allowed a rich ecosystem of Perl OO systems to flourish. Similarly, Unless you know you need an OO model, it's probably better to use a procedural model to help maintenance and readability. If you're still unsure, go with an ordinary procedural model. which sounds rather half-hearted coming from a didactic source you'd expect to be encouraging. OTOH, Python has been an object-oriented language from day one. Because of this, creating and using classes and objects are downright easy. This chapter helps you become an expert in using Python's object-oriented programming support. And this is from Cody Jackson's book Learn Python Programming: Personally, I feel procedural programming is easier to learn, especially at first. The thought process is mostly straightforward and essentially linear. I never understood OOP until I started learning Python; it can be a difficult thing to wrap your head around, especially when you are still figuring out how to get your program to work in the first place. Perhaps this could indicate that the book is a good fit for you if you feel you're in the same boat? (It's downloadable at http://python-ebook.blogspot.com/ by clicking on Free PDF version (personal use only) in the margin and then selecting Print.) Also bear in mind that while books are fine for learning from, and consolidating your knowledge, once you start seriously using any language the web resources will be essential because most books in this area are out of date before they're even published. Ahh - a beautiful statement, and music to my ears. I am sadly lacking in a formal education in computer science, but the internet is my tutor, and I have learned exactly what I need to learn. No more but probably a bit less. Thanks. (But again aimed at the OP, who by good fortune appears to have strayed into a free bookshop!) [Disclaimer. As posted elsewhere, I jumped ship from Perl to Python while perl(4) had no OOP.] Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150413020250.ga9...@alum.home
Re: debian 8
On 13/04/2015, David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote: snip And lastly, just out of interest, I don't recall your saying whether you have tried installing and running D8 yet. Apart from not having GNOME Classic, I note that Debian 8, as with Debian 7, appears to be missing iceape. I do not remember how, but, from memory, I have iceape installed on Debian 7 on the Acer V3-772G, bit it is now, apparently, not available for installation on Debian 7, on the Acer E5-521-238Q. So, without GNOME Classic (or GNOME2, which would be better), and, without iceape, I have no inclination to install Debian 8. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8pyblc-42sex4q7am74fsc1jltgvkqkkqqt7b2etxy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: LibreOffice et touches mortes
Le dimanche 12 avril 2015, 22:54:50 Patrick Carabin a écrit : Bonsoir la liste, ’soir, depuis quelques jours, LibreOffice ne réagit pas aux «touches mortes».[…] Tiens, on n’a pas déjà eu une question là-dessus récemment ? Ben si : https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2015/03/msg0.html Hum, bon, personne ne t’avait répondu… Avez-vous une idée de ce que je devrais faire? Est-ce dépendant d' une bibliothèque différente? Est-ce une question de fichier de configuration? Possible (ça marche pour les trois questions ;o). D’abord, est-ce que ça fonctionnait avec une autre version de LibreOffice ? Si oui, essayer encore une autre version ou revenir à celle qui fonctionnait ou vérifier les différences (release notes, changelog…). Si non, je t’aurai bien proposé un export GTK_IM_MODULE=xim comme j’ai dans mon .bashrc depuis des années parce que GTK utilise cedilla par défaut en environnement FR et donc Compose ne fonctionnait pas mais je viens de tester et, avec ou sans, LibreOffice fonctionne correctement… Donc j’irai plutôt voir du côté de chez LibreOffice eux-mêmes, s’ils ont des idées ou déjà des rapports de bogues… -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3684656.uAx4JDrC92@earendil
Re: Jessie
On ne peut plus mettre des icônes dans la barre du haut comme dans l'ancien Gnome, mais c'est une autre logique que je trouve pas mal à l'usage. Tu peux épingler dans la barre gauche les icônes de tes applis favorites. Tu peux afficher une grille de toutes les applis ou de celles que tu utilises le plus. Tu peux récupérer le menu classique dans la barre du haut avec une option de l'appli outil de personnalisation. Et ce que j'apprécie surtout c'est l'affichage instantané de la barre des applis favorites et de toutes les fenêtres des applis en cours par un simple glissement de curseur sur le coin en haut à gauche de l'écran. Pour le fond noir, il suffit en effet de définir un fond d'écran. - Mail original - hageDe: Yannick VOYEAUD yann...@voyeaud.org À: DEBIAN debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Envoyé: Dimanche 12 Avril 2015 21:16:30 Objet: Jessie Bonsoir, J'ai fait une MAJ de Wheezy vers Jessie en changeant le nom de la distri dans les dépôts. Au passage merci à Jean de l'ALDIL pour cette idée. Premier constat en utilisant Gnome je perd certains réglages de mon bureau. les barres sises en haut et en bas ont disparues. Donc pas génial. Un mal fou pour mettre MATE (enfin pour le trouver, après cela va). Sous MATE aussi mes paramétrages ont aussi disparus, je dois tout refaire! Je m'en sort mais bon pas glop. Certains logiciels sortent avec ce que je considère comme une HORREUR! un fond noir. Si pour le reste je peux faire avec là ce fond noir me dérange énormément vous ne pouvez savoir. Comment remédier à ce très gros problème? Amitiés -- Yannick VOYEAUD Aidez Ancestris en participant http://fr.ulule.com/ancestrisapoitiers/
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Em 12 de abril de 2015 14:53, Rodrigo Cunha rodrigo.root...@gmail.com escreveu: Isso é relativo, você deverá ficar atento ao chipset de vídeo e ao chipset de áudio. Basicamente são os mais problemáticos, eu recomendo utilizar uma placa de vídeo e áudio para um melhor desempenho. De uma olhada aqui, temvarios sound cards compativeis: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main Para vídeo eu utilizo uma Radeon 270, ela tem drivers específicos para o linux, no meu caso o ubuntu. e estes drivers são livres? vou ter que habilitar o non-free? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mjcg4jd75y0mh22x0hn--fixks6cvo7g1tmq_qwcw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Book questions
On 12/04/15 17:34, David Wright wrote: Quoting Iain M Conochie (i...@thargoid.co.uk): snip IMHO, the issues with perl and python is that you will have to understand Object Orientated Programming (OOP) to get the most out of them, especially for GUI development. This was one of the reasons I drew a blank with perl. This may or may not be the case. Brett, any opinion on this? Oh gosh, I wouldn't just rely on the advice of one or two people here to make your decision. If you type any of perl vs or python vs or ruby vs into google and see the suggestions, then click on a few of them and you will find a lot of knowledgeable discussion of the issues (amongst a wealth of prejudices, of course). If the programs/tools you want to write have GUIs, then you're not going to avoid OOP so that's not really an issue. OOP is a big issue for me :) However,it might help to see if the way languages handle objects seems natural to you. And really, that's the case for the languages themselves...what fits you best. There's also something to be said for seeing what other people in your field are using as you may want to call upon this community to help solve problems you run into. Sad as it may seem, I am on my own in this. Hence trying to solicit other opinions on this matter, of which yours is most welcome. BTW do check the dates of any discussion. These languages are still actively evolving so opinions date, and change. My recollections of Perl are from 20th century perl4 and consequently inconsequential: OOP came with perl5. And perl6 is round the corner (but has been for a decade). I'm ignorant of Ruby, which is seen as another horse in this stable (procedural scripting; far from C). From a sysadmin point of view (and this is probably about 4-5 years out of date) ruby is horrible. A bigger memory hog than java, and it seemed like a passing fad. My hate / love / hate of perl (and probably OOP) comes from a long winter of learning the perl by building an auto-updating website, then I wanted to add the data into a mysql DB and finding myself lost and not being able to do what I wanted to do. This was perl 5.0.4 (which probably gives my age away ;) However, it recently came through for me and I was able to use it to build a shell script. Also bear in mind that while books are fine for learning from, and consolidating your knowledge, once you start seriously using any language the web resources will be essential because most books in this area are out of date before they're even published. Ahh - a beautiful statement, and music to my ears. I am sadly lacking in a formal education in computer science, but the internet is my tutor, and I have learned exactly what I need to learn. No more but probably a bit less. Cheers, Iain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552afd38.8010...@thargoid.co.uk
Re: Book questions
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Glenn English wrote: My Pentium laptop gets the job done, eventually, but the more modern Xeon box downstairs is much easier to live with... A Xeon home machine? Please tell us more about it. Details too. g (I am thinking in terms of the same thing, sort of, i.e. refurbished Dell rack-mount Xeon system.) -- These are not the droids you are looking for. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.DEB.2.20.3.1504121914270.3703@qrovna
Re: Book questions
On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:29:58 +0100 Iain M Conochie i...@thargoid.co.uk wrote: Not to mention security as well - there is even a possible integer overflow in one of the examples! To be fair, I am not too sure how much of the security implications of C were known in 1988. I want to thank everyone for their answers in this thread, you have all been very helpful. Now that you mention security, that leads me to another question - are there any good books on writing secure programs? I would guess that would be a good thing to think about from the start, as to learn good practices? Another thing - I have been thinking about also learning Python, for instance for interacting with GTK, and for writing things that might be hard to do in C. Would that be a good choice, or should I look at any other languages before I start? Thanks again, Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgp71Hv5uW6RA.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Book questions
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:51:24 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: Now that you mention security, that leads me to another question - are there any good books on writing secure programs? I would guess that would be a good thing to think about from the start, as to learn good practices? I believe that this is where it gets into the realm of How long is a piece of string?. :-) From my understanding, security is always relative, and, never absolute - whether something can be breached, whether it is a building or a software program, depends on the skill and persistence of the person trying to do the breaching, and, importantly, luck. It is like the principle Just when you think that you have produced an idiot-proof program, they design a more effective idiot. Of course. Let me rephrase: are there any good books on _current best practices_ to enhance security in code - in particular as it applies to C? I understand that security is a very complex topic, but I am interested in learning how to write good, solid code, and security is part of that. I believe that, similarly, the best way to learn good programming practices, is to take courses at different educational institutions, Unfortunately, that is not an option for me. Books and online guides will have to do. Another thing - I have been thinking about also learning Python, for instance for interacting with GTK, and for writing things that might be hard to do in C. Would that be a good choice, or should I look at any other languages before I start? I am definitely no expert in this, and, others could advise regarding this, much better than me, but, my understanding is that, for what you seek, Perl appears to be the answer, as it apparently includes the good parts of various programming languages, including C, and, is cross-platform portable, and is supposed to be very versatile. OK, thank you, I will definitely consider Perl also, as I already know a little and have a few books on it. Petter -- I'm ionized Are you sure? I'm positive. pgpfCP7jbdd39.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Re: Having Trouble installing Updates
Thanx! Added your recommended lines to sources.list, called 'apt update' and everything worked fine except that evolution won't start after the update. Well I'll sort that out. ftp.de has always been allright for Wheezy but somehow didn't seem to be the best choice for Jessie. Cheeree-o Frank == Hope for the best, plan for the worst. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1428828016.3712.8.camel@captain
Re: Book questions
On 12/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: snip Now that you mention security, that leads me to another question - are there any good books on writing secure programs? I would guess that would be a good thing to think about from the start, as to learn good practices? I believe that this is where it gets into the realm of How long is a piece of string?. From my understanding, security is always relative, and, never absolute - whether something can be breached, whether it is a building or a software program, depends on the skill and persistence of the person trying to do the breaching, and, importantly, luck. It is like the principle Just when you think that you have produced an idiot-proof program, they design a more effective idiot. I believe that, similarly, the best way to learn good programming practices, is to take courses at different educational institutions, and, pick the good parts of each. One institution at which I studied, a technical college, taught (overall) better programming practices, and that included error tracking and handling- another institution taught students to use (in c++) the assert statement, so as to, instead, cause programs to crash, when an error occurred, and, another, taught (in a Pascal course) the use of pointers, to test data that was being input through the keyboard, by using the input buffer, for data validation. Similarly, in teaching SQL programming, in database programming, some institutions that I encountered, taught students to reduce the prospect of (I think it is named) code insertion, wherein, where a user is required to manually type in data, the user instead types in SQL code, which a database program could (where it is not protedted against code insertion) accept and execute unauthorised SQL code, violating the database. It is a matter of luck, as to being taught the right stuff at formal educational institutions, and, even as to the attitudes of the teaching staff (at one educational institution, where I asked about the applicability of hyperbolic trig functions, when we were being taught hyperbolic trig functions, the lecturer told me that that was not his job, to explain stuff like that - his job was only to present the material, and not provide any explanations (he later became the head of the maths department, at that university), whereas, at the technical college, the lecturer there, took the time to explain the applicability of the hyperbolic trig functions), but I believe that formal education at a vocational institution, is most likely to provide the means of learning good programming practices, including software development methodologies, to achieve the best possible result in software development. Oh, and, at one of the educational institutions, the head of the (teaching) computer science department, did not believe in the benefits of systems analysis and design, for software development - he practised, and, believed in, hack programming. And, at another educational institution, I met (via a local Linux User Group mailing list), a PhD student who was studying computer security, and, he took the time to show me some of the benefits of Debian (when it was 3.0 or 3.1), and, converted me to Debian (I was, at that time, learning Red Hat and Slackware, for use at that university, thence for personal use). He was a local Linux guru, and, his area is/was computer security. Another thing - I have been thinking about also learning Python, for instance for interacting with GTK, and for writing things that might be hard to do in C. Would that be a good choice, or should I look at any other languages before I start? I am definitely no expert in this, and, others could advise regarding this, much better than me, but, my understanding is that, for what you seek, Perl appears to be the answer, as it apparently includes the good parts of various programming languages, including C, and, is cross-platform portable, and is supposed to be very versatile. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8ob8duu+kaggmoptpt60nxff9pgcuhkweqsx8m3-rr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Book questions
On 12/04/15 09:33, Petter Adsen wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:51:24 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: Now that you mention security, that leads me to another question - are there any good books on writing secure programs? I would guess that would be a good thing to think about from the start, as to learn good practices? I believe that this is where it gets into the realm of How long is a piece of string?. :-) From my understanding, security is always relative, and, never absolute - whether something can be breached, whether it is a building or a software program, depends on the skill and persistence of the person trying to do the breaching, and, importantly, luck. It is like the principle Just when you think that you have produced an idiot-proof program, they design a more effective idiot. Of course. Let me rephrase: are there any good books on _current best practices_ to enhance security in code - in particular as it applies to C? I understand that security is a very complex topic, but I am interested in learning how to write good, solid code, and security is part of that. https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/display/c/CERT+C+Coding+Standard There are, however, differing opinions as how useful some of the above text is: https://www.sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2000-08/msg00061.html Some more: https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/secure-programming-cookbook/0596003943/ http://web.mit.edu/6.s096/www/lecture/lecture03/secure-C.pdf http://www.nostarch.com/hacking2.htm I believe that, similarly, the best way to learn good programming practices, is to take courses at different educational institutions, Unfortunately, that is not an option for me. Books and online guides will have to do. Another thing - I have been thinking about also learning Python, for instance for interacting with GTK, and for writing things that might be hard to do in C. Would that be a good choice, or should I look at any other languages before I start? I am definitely no expert in this, and, others could advise regarding this, much better than me, but, my understanding is that, for what you seek, Perl appears to be the answer, as it apparently includes the good parts of various programming languages, including C, and, is cross-platform portable, and is supposed to be very versatile. OK, thank you, I will definitely consider Perl also, as I already know a little and have a few books on it. Petter IMHO, the issues with perl and python is that you will have to understand Object Orientated Programming (OOP) to get the most out of them, especially for GUI development. This was one of the reasons I drew a blank with perl. This may or may not be the case. Brett, any opinion on this? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552a5e39.5060...@thargoid.co.uk
Re: Debian 8 release
2015-04-08 22:53 GMT+02:00 ro...@steneteg.org: Hej Det är hittils 8 som svarat på formuläret (såvida ingen fuskat och svarat flera gånger). Som det ser ut nu så är det lika mellan Göteborg och Varberg. Jag bor ju i Göteborg så är ju inte helt opartisk i frågan men Göteborg är ju större så finns ju antagligen mer att göra här än i Varberg. Men Hotell Gästis ligger ju i Varberg! -- Per När det gäller datumet så leder 25:e april. Har bara fått in ett aktivitetsförlag och det var öl, så lite fler förslag skulle ju vara uppskattat här. Nån som varit på denna typ av möten tidigare som har erfarenhet av vad man kan hitta på? Går ju alltid träffas, käka på nån resturang och snacka Linux. Mvh Roger On 2015-04-05 15:34, Rolf Edlund wrote: Den 2015-04-05 12:08, Andreas Ronnquist skrev: Ifyllt. Jag kan den 25:e och några andra datum - Angående 11:e tycker jag ju att det skulle kännas lite märkligt att fira utgåvan innan den verkligen har hänt ... :) Ok, om det är det som mötet ska handla om, så håller jag helt med dig. ;) Och angående plats så är det väl mest logiskt att välja platsen där vi kan minimera antalet som måste resa långt - och med det i åtanke så lutar det ju mot Göteborg... Som sagt. Det funkar för mig. Också - angående det - jag kör, så jag kan ordna samåkning om det skulle bli norrut (Jag bor ju i Halmstad, och kan skulle exempelvis kunna plocka upp folk på vägen till Göteborg så vi kan dela på resekostnader). Har du plats för lilla mig, så åker jag gärna med dig. Så länge dagen för mötet funkar för mig. (Jag toppostar eftersom jag svarar på en toppostning) ( Jag gör något mitt emellan :) -- /Rolf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/479bea30c31bbb46042e900a60e61...@steneteg.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CABYrXSRHm_P_54DXOwNFkTjUe_DZvRMOba=athsifcxugs2...@mail.gmail.com
Ibus/Anthy - not able to change input method
Since a couple of days I have a problem with ibus (and anthy): I am not able to switch input methods; if I press the shortcut keys nothing happens, even though in the Preferences panel of Ibus Anthy-Japanese is present. I killed the daemon and reinvoked it with `ibus-daemon -v` to check what was wrong. The verbose output is pretty laconic; upon pressing the shortcut keys to change input methods, this is displayed: (ibus-daemon:4954): IBUS-WARNING **: 15:38:45. 67609: Set context engine failed: Timeout was reached I am running Debian wheezy and apart for an apt-get update/upgrade every few days I haven't installed anything. Has anyone experienced a similar problem? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412140007.ga4...@x60s.casa
Re: [OT] Re: Hola amigos
El domingo, 12 abr 2015, a las 07:23 UTC+2 horas, alexlikerock-Gmail escribió: Lo que pides no lo puede hacer ni Google así que te han puesto alto el listón, vamos, que lo tienes difícil :-) eso es falso camaleon, en yahoo si se puede hacer eso ¿Dices que dado un correo cualquiera emitido desde un dominio de yahoo, estos podrían señalar inequívocamente a la persona que lo envió? La manera más fiable (y viable) que se me ocurre es obligar el acceso mediante certificado digital entregado en persona a cada usuario, y aún así no se puede garantizar del todo. Siempre habrá quien se deje una sesión abierta, etc. -- Manolo Díaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412143900.09635...@gmail.com
Re: Installing Debian Jessie on an ACER Aspire V13 V3-371-337L
Quoting Jean-Marc (jean-m...@6jf.be): Two words to give the status of the Debian Jessie installation on my brand new Acer Aspire v13 v3. Everything works like a charm (webcam, mic, trackpad, wifi using non-free firmware, network). That's great to hear. But please do tell us which way you decided to boot, legacy BIOS or UEFI. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412145102.ga8...@alum.home
Re: [OT] grub: error: cant't find command linux
El Sat, 11 Apr 2015 19:55:10 +0200, José Miguel (sio2) escribió: El Sat, 11 de Apr de 2015, a las 01:24:23PM +, Camaleón dijo: De hecho, cuando hay varios sistemas operativos en un mismo disco duro prefiero seguir uno de estos dos esquemas para el cargador de arranque: [...] Vaya por delante que no sé muy bien de qué va EFI, así que no sé si es aplicable lo que voy a decir: yo sólo he instalado arranques normales con particiones MBR ó GPT. ¿La mejor solución no es hacer una partición cómun para montar /boot/grub común a todos los sistemas linux que haya instalados? En este caso no creo haya mejores soluciones sino distintas opciones que se adaptan mejor a cada instalación o a lo que busca el administrador. En cualquier caso, ¿dónde instalas GRUB, en el MBR o en la partición / boot/grub? Los núcleos de los distintos linuces siguen por separado y el grub que estará en funcionamiento siempre será el último que se haya actualizado/instalado sea el linux que sea. Lo único que se me ocurre que pueda ocurrir es que una actualización de grub te dé problemas, porque el sistema detecte que los checksum de los archivos que va a reemplazar no se corresponden con los que debería haber, como consecuencia de que no esté reemplazando su grub, sino el grub de otro linux. Pero me parece que estas comprobaciones de checksum sólo se hacen al instalar y no al desinstalar. A mí no me gusta tener un único GRUB porque te arriesgas a que no sea compatible con otros sistemas linux/unix (recordemos que hay distribuciones que lo modifican) o sencillamente te arriesgas a que por el motivo que sea te falle y no tengas otro para arrancar los sistemas operativos que tengas. En cuanto a tenerlo en su propia partición antes era la opción predeterminada y lo recomendado debido a que en algunos sistemas de archivos (p. ej., ReiserFS) tenía problemas pero ahora me parece que no y los instaladores lo ponen bajo partición raíz (/). Cuando hay varios sistemas operativos en un disco yo prefiero mantener cada GRUB con su distribución y el MBR limpio pero como digo, esto es como las particiones de disco duro, cada uno tiene su sistema :-) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2015.04.12.15.52...@gmail.com
Re: Book questions
Quoting Iain M Conochie (i...@thargoid.co.uk): On 12/04/15 09:33, Petter Adsen wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:51:24 +0800 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/04/2015, Petter Adsen pet...@synth.no wrote: Another thing - I have been thinking about also learning Python, for instance for interacting with GTK, and for writing things that might be hard to do in C. Would that be a good choice, or should I look at any other languages before I start? I am definitely no expert in this, and, others could advise regarding this, much better than me, but, my understanding is that, for what you seek, Perl appears to be the answer, as it apparently includes the good parts of various programming languages, including C, and, is cross-platform portable, and is supposed to be very versatile. OK, thank you, I will definitely consider Perl also, as I already know a little and have a few books on it. Petter IMHO, the issues with perl and python is that you will have to understand Object Orientated Programming (OOP) to get the most out of them, especially for GUI development. This was one of the reasons I drew a blank with perl. This may or may not be the case. Brett, any opinion on this? Oh gosh, I wouldn't just rely on the advice of one or two people here to make your decision. If you type any of perl vs or python vs or ruby vs into google and see the suggestions, then click on a few of them and you will find a lot of knowledgeable discussion of the issues (amongst a wealth of prejudices, of course). If the programs/tools you want to write have GUIs, then you're not going to avoid OOP so that's not really an issue. However,it might help to see if the way languages handle objects seems natural to you. And really, that's the case for the languages themselves...what fits you best. There's also something to be said for seeing what other people in your field are using as you may want to call upon this community to help solve problems you run into. BTW do check the dates of any discussion. These languages are still actively evolving so opinions date, and change. My recollections of Perl are from 20th century perl4 and consequently inconsequential: OOP came with perl5. And perl6 is round the corner (but has been for a decade). I'm ignorant of Ruby, which is seen as another horse in this stable (procedural scripting; far from C). Also bear in mind that while books are fine for learning from, and consolidating your knowledge, once you start seriously using any language the web resources will be essential because most books in this area are out of date before they're even published. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412163430.gc8...@alum.home
Re: apt stuck at Reading database
[I'm hoping this isn't a duplicate post, but my first attempt was rejected by bendel.debian.org as forged.] Quoting Luis Finotti (luis.fino...@gmail.com): I've been trying to fix this problem, but have not found a solution yet. (I've also asked at the aptosid list without success.) Before I resigned myself to a reinstall, I thought I'd post the output of strace apt-get dist-upgrade (I killed the process a few seconds after it got stuck.) The first 4000 lines are here: http://www.math.utk.edu/~finotti/misc/DU.log I took a look at this and I notice that apt is trying to upgrade 126 packages which is quite a mouthful. I also noticed that there are a lot of lines matching /etc/apt/sources.list.d/... In that situation, my first course of action would be to hide anything but the essential sources.list contents of, basically, something like # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 7.1.0 _Wheezy_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20130615-21:53]/ wheezy main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free Then I would apt-get update which will clear out /var/lib/apt/lists/ (AFAIK there's no point doing this until you've pruned /etc/apt/sources.list because apt-get update will repopulate it.) Then see if apt-get upgrade will work (ie not hang or crash) and see what error messages it emits. If apt is screwed, then the only way I know (not being an expert) of trying to recover is to see if dpkg itself can install things, perhaps by trying to reinstall the apt packages. (Obviously no dependency problems in doing that.) If apt is working but emitting errors, then it may be that you need to look at whether the files in / var/lib/dpkg are ok. There is one level of backup in there. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412165040.gd8...@alum.home
Re: Esto esun bug del servidor DHCP, ¿no?
El Sun, 12 de Apr de 2015, a las 03:41:14PM +, Camaleón dijo: Lo que me escama es el mensaje, dice que no le puede asignar una IP determinada (192.168.255.105) no que no sea posible asignarle una cualquiera :-? Es normal por cómo hice la prueba: usando dos veces el mismo cliente, pero cambiándole entre una y otra petición la MAC. En esta circunstancias, la segunda vez el cliente sugiere al servidor que le entregue la última ip que tenía, o sea, la que recibió la primera vez. Como está ocupada (porque no se liberó), el servidor rechaza esa sugerencia (DCHPNACK) y se dispone a darle otra. Es entonces cuando actúa el lease limit 1, pero en vez de no entregar ninguna, porque ya no hay disponibles, casca. De todas formas, mira a ver si sigue en ejecución tras el segfault. El servidor muere definitivamente, no es que se quede tonto. Ya he enviado el informe de fallo. -- Parezco en mi fortuna al Manzanares, que con agua o sin ella siempre es río. --- Tomé de Burguillos --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412181246.ga12...@cubo.casa
Re: L'écran tactile sous Linux
On Saturday 11 April 2015 19:41:35 Daniel Huhardeaux wrote: Le 11/04/2015 18:52, André a écrit : J'imagine que le fonctionnement du tactile dépend du bureau choisi ? Non, il doit être reconnu comme périphérique de pointage comme une souris ou une tablette Wacom C'est pas la faute à l'écran tactile, c'est à l'application de gérer cela : Comment installer le tactile sous Jessie ? Quelle est l'application de périphérique de pointage à installer pour le faire ? et le clavier est peu pratique : ??? Comprends pas. S'il n'y a pas de clavier virtuel, tu parles de quel clavier? Le standard? Si oui, bein faut te plaindre auprès du constructeur ;-) ! : C'est une application virtual-keyboard qu'on lance via une icône. Un clavier apparaît alors sur l'écran, mais c'est pas automatique. Chez moi (Ubuntu 14.04) cela fonctionne très bien : Je croyais que cette liste était Debian... :-) Je cherche à faire marcher le tactile sous Jessie? sauf que les applications usuelles ne sont pas faites pour. Avec mes gros doigts, pour chopper l'ascenseur dans un navigateur ou dans le gestionnaire de courriel, faut avoir du ... doigté ;-) Sélectionner du texte est facile. Pour un double clic les charnières de l'écran en prennent un coup, il y a intérêt à tenir l'écran pendant la manipulation. Enfin, l'écran est rapidement sali par le touché des doigts (sueur, saleté, etc) : Je dois avoir des doigts de fée, je m'en accommode bien, sans salir l'écran :-) @+ André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504121832.22487.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: Book questions
On 04/11/2015 11:43 PM, Petter Adsen wrote: I want to thank everyone for their answers in this thread, you have all been very helpful. YW. On 04/11/2015 11:43 PM, Petter Adsen wrote: Now that you mention security, that leads me to another question - are there any good books on writing secure programs? I would guess that would be a good thing to think about from the start, as to learn good practices? Another thing - I have been thinking about also learning Python, for instance for interacting with GTK, and for writing things that might be hard to do in C. Would that be a good choice, or should I look at any other languages before I start? On 04/12/2015 01:33 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: OK, thank you, I will definitely consider Perl also, as I already know a little and have a few books on it. I'd advise learning one language well, where well includes security best practices. Understand that learning any modern language takes a lot of time and effort. So pick one that is good at solving the kinds of problems that you are motivated to work on, because the going will get tough and you'll have to find the tenacity to struggle through. On 04/12/2015 01:33 AM, Petter Adsen wrote: Unfortunately, [paid courses are] not an option for me. Books and online guides will have to do. I've learned several programming languages from books and articles, interacting with other people, and beating my head against countless KLOC's. Formal instruction can accelerate portions of the learning curve, both by the experience of a guide (teacher) and by enforcing a curriculum and schedule of assignments. You will want to find a mailing list, forum, user group, etc., for whatever language and/or problem domain you pick. There now are a number of university-level lectures and/or courses available online for free. For example, SICP 1 e.: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/ David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552a9ecd.7010...@holgerdanske.com
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Isso é relativo, você deverá ficar atento ao chipset de vídeo e ao chipset de áudio. Basicamente são os mais problemáticos, eu recomendo utilizar uma placa de vídeo e áudio para um melhor desempenho. De uma olhada aqui, temvarios sound cards compativeis: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main Para vídeo eu utilizo uma Radeon 270, ela tem drivers específicos para o linux, no meu caso o ubuntu. Em 12 de abril de 2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- Atenciosamente, Rodrigo da Silva Cunha
Re: [OT] IOPS via SNMP en Sistemas privativos
El Sat, 11 Apr 2015 14:33:48 -0500, Martin Edmundo Barriga Orozco escribió: Hola, Tengo necesidad de monitorear via snmp los IOPS de servidores windows donde se esta corriendo una solucion de respaldos, sin embargo, el snmp no me esta regresando nada de informacion relacionada a IOPS a mi snmpwalk client. Date una vuelta por los tutoriales que encuentres sobre SNMP porque aunque parece sencillo de configurar tiene su intríngulis. Por ejemplo, yo empezaría por aquí: https://wiki.debian.org/SNMP A revisar que la comunicación entre cliente/servidor no se esté rechazando por cortafuegos o reglas de configuración que impidan el tráfico en los puertos en los que trabaje SNMP y también podrás aumentar el nivel de verbosidad del cliente. Introducción a los comandos SNMP, snmpwalk, snmpget, snmptranslate... http://www.linux-party.com/index.php/29-internet/6038-introduccion-a-los-comandos-snmp-snmpwalk-snmpget-snmptranslate# He estado apuntando mi snmpwalk .1.3.6.1.4.1.9600.1.1.1.1 pero no regresa nada, el problema debe estar del lado del servidor. Se supone que la configuracion en el windows server debe se deben marcar todas las checkbox como los que se muestran en la imagen y asi lo hice: https://aaronwalrath.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/w8snmp5.png En la parte windowsera no sabría decirte qué mirar pero también podrías usar un cliente para windows y ejecutarlo desde el mismo equipo donde tienes el SNMP proporcionando datos para ver si de esa forma logras cargar algo. ¿Alguno de la lista monitoreo IOPS de servidores windows que me pueda encaminar un poco? Hace ya mucho tiempo que jugué con el SNMP para sacar información de un router y la verdad es que en su momento me pareció engorroso en exceso. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2015.04.12.15.13...@gmail.com
Re: Esto esun bug del servidor DHCP, ¿no?
El Sat, 11 Apr 2015 22:26:56 +0200, José Miguel (sio2) escribió: Un saludo a la lista: Tengo una configuración de prueba muy sencilla en el servidor ISC de jessie: (...) O sea que hay una clase de máquinas que como máximo recibirán una ip. Con esto he tomado un cliente y le he hecho que pida ip: (...) Como es de esperar, ha recibido su ip. A continuación he cogido ese mismo cliente, lo he desconfigurado sin que se enterara el servidor (dhclient -x), le he cambiado la MAC y he vuelto a pedir ip. Se supone que es la segunda ip y que el cliente no debería recibir ninguna. Lo que ocurre es esto: #v+ Apr 11 22:10:56 zipi dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.255.105 from 00:11:22:33:44:51 via eth1: lease 192.168.255.105 unavailable. Apr 11 22:10:56 zipi dhcpd: DHCPNAK on 192.168.255.105 to 00:11:22:33:44:51 via eth1 Apr 11 22:10:56 zipi kernel: [ 588.513633] dhcpd[1253]: segfault at 30 ip 7f2548edd333 sp 7ffc2f270110 error 4 in dhcpd[7f2548ec6000+b3000] #v- Lo que me escama es el mensaje, dice que no le puede asignar una IP determinada (192.168.255.105) no que no sea posible asignarle una cualquiera :-? El servidor parece como que le intentara dar la misma ip, aunque la máquina es otra y la ip sigue ocupada, después casca. Exacto, parece que el servidor dhcp está interpretando otra situación pero en cualquier caso debe registrar el error sin llegar al fallo de segmentación. De todas formas, mira a ver si sigue en ejecución tras el segfault. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2015.04.12.15.41...@gmail.com
Problemas con la instalación (era: ¿Cuál imagen descargar para AMD64?)
El Sat, 11 Apr 2015 23:18:48 -0300, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió: Creo un hilo nuevo para no mezclar los temas. (...) La cosa es que tras varios intentos no pude instalar Debian Jessie. Se apaga por calentamiento crítico. No hay caso. Le puse hasta un ventilador de los grandes al lado para que la mantenga fresca pero nada. El instalador alcanzó a descargar todos los debs y ya se disponía a ejecutar dpkg, o sea que está el sistema base instalado pero no puede continuar con la instalación. ¿Alguna idea de cómo evitar el apagado por calentamiento y que pueda terminar de instalar el sistema? Si no es posible, bueno, descartaré esta opción o probaré Jessie en la PC. Lo mejor suele ser abrir el equipo y aspirarlo. Si se trata de un portátil, ponerlo sobre una placa de ventilación. De todas formas, instalar únicamente el sistema base (desde un CD o USB) siempre es más rápido y luego ya irás añadiendo paquetes. Ah! Actualicé GRUB desde Kubuntu y detectó a Debian en la sda2. Mejor si explicas esto, ¿qué hiciste exactamente? Si le doy a esa opción carga el sistema base y se queda en modo texto (pantalla negra con el (prompt, ¿Se dice así en linux?) pero si me logueo no me responde ni como usuario ni como root. ¿Desde ahí se podrá seguir la instalación? Bueno, en este caso te dará igual volver a iniciar el instalador desde cero porque el sistema es reciente, pero el problema del calentamiento va a seguir ahí y es lo primero que tendrías que resolver. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2015.04.12.16.08...@gmail.com
computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com
Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
Hi all. According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to be the very minimal gnome installation in Debian. But in my personal experience it is not so. Just after installing Debian, I installed gnome-core just to have the minimal gnome installation. Then I noticed that totem, the video player, was also installed even though I hadn't. Since I use mplayer, I did `aptitude purge totem' and was surprised to see that gnome-core depended on totem, so that removing totem would also remove gnome-core. I did so, and now gnome desktop environment, even without gnome-core package, seems to work well. So I ask to myself what gnome minimal install should really be. I have Sid. Thanks for any help, Rodolfo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87lhhxp5u0@gmail.com
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Boa tarde, pessoal! Eu comprei dois notebooks que já vieram com Mandriva. Excelente custo x benefício por não pagar pela venda casada (aquele SO proprietário) e não tive problemas para rodar o Debian. Abraços, Em 12 de abril de 2015 14h06min57s GMT-05:00, P. J. pjotam...@gmail.com escreveu: O ideal como alguns comentaram, é saber qual hardware que vem... saber qual placa wireless... ou placa de vídeo... geralmente aonde se encontram os maiores problemas... ver tb com relação ao touchpad ou alguma funcionalidade como biometria se vier... a maoria dos problemas em hardwares novos encontram nesses itens... Em 12/04/15, Linux - Junior Polegatoli...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- | .''`. A fé não dá respostas. Só impede perguntas. | : :' : | `. `'` | `- Je vois tout -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACnf0pjPzOe_VknDB4EsThsSZBGKLr=rQ5PwaTKk=1-lyqh...@mail.gmail.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Jessie
Bonsoir, J'ai fait une MAJ de Wheezy vers Jessie en changeant le nom de la distri dans les dépôts. Au passage merci à Jean de l'ALDIL pour cette idée. Premier constat en utilisant Gnome je perd certains réglages de mon bureau. les barres sises en haut et en bas ont disparues. Donc pas génial. Un mal fou pour mettre MATE (enfin pour le trouver, après cela va). Sous MATE aussi mes paramétrages ont aussi disparus, je dois tout refaire! Je m'en sort mais bon pas glop. Certains logiciels sortent avec ce que je considère comme une HORREUR! un fond noir. Si pour le reste je peux faire avec là ce fond noir me dérange énormément vous ne pouvez savoir. Comment remédier à ce très gros problème? Amitiés -- Yannick VOYEAUD Aidez Ancestris en participant http://fr.ulule.com/ancestrisapoitiers/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:19:35 + Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to be the very minimal gnome installation in Debian. But in my personal experience it is not so. Just after installing Debian, I installed gnome-core just to have the minimal gnome installation. Then I noticed that totem, the video player, was also installed even though I hadn't. Since I use mplayer, I did `aptitude purge totem' and was surprised to see that gnome-core depended on totem, so that removing totem would also remove gnome-core. I did so, and now gnome desktop environment, even without gnome-core package, seems to work well. So I ask to myself what gnome minimal install should really be. I have Sid. I think the answer to that depends on how long your piece of string is. What do you mean by 'gnome'? The bit you see is gnome-shell, which depends on themes and backgrounds and a large number of libraries. But gnome, the desktop environment, also contains a recommended file manager, image viewer, sound and vision player, and so on. All of these are integrated better than the non-gnome equivalents. Are they part of a minimal gnome? Your call. The gnome-core which you have removed is a metapackage i.e. it contains no code but exists to bring in the set of components which the gnome developers consider to be a minimal gnome. Once installed, along with the dependencies, it is redundant and can be removed without affecting anything current. But an auto-remove will now see the dependencies of gnome-core as not having been manually installed nor being needed, so you had better not use that facility in future. Also, if the gnome architecture changes in future, without gnome-core being present to be upgraded, your system will not bring in any new dependent components. But you have already differed from the gnome developers in the matter of totem, and there may be other dependencies of gnome-core which you wish to remove. I left gnome behind when it went to version 3, but there are still a few gnome components I use, and I have just installed them individually. Therefore I don't have gnome-core or many other components. You can take this approach: don't install gnome at all, just the components you want, and they will bring only their required dependencies. I suspect gnome-shell will bring in a very large number, but not including totem and perhaps others you don't need. The disadvantage of this approach is that for maybe a year you will look for something and not find it, and need to install it individually. Taking the core metapackage means that most of what you're likely to need will already be present. Hard drives are sized for Windows (at least a 50GB installation these days), and any drive you have bought in the last few years will be large enough that a couple of gigabytes of rarely-used stuff will not be an inconvenience. There is also the philosophy that you can't have too many image viewers or sound and video players or web browsers. Two days ago I found an audio file which vlc (my default player) wouldn't play, nor would mplayer, but kaffeine would. I don't actually have totem installed, I recall a significant disagreement with it a year or two ago, which is probably no longer relevant, but I haven't reinstalled it. I might when I find a file that neither vlc, mplayer nor kaffeine will play... -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412202057.036ab...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
On 4/12/2015 11:19 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi all. According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to be the very minimal gnome installation in Debian. But in my personal experience it is not so. Just after installing Debian, I installed gnome-core just to have the minimal gnome installation. Then I noticed that totem, the video player, was also installed even though I hadn't. Since I use mplayer, I did `aptitude purge totem' and was surprised to see that gnome-core depended on totem, so that removing totem would also remove gnome-core. I did so, and now gnome desktop environment, even without gnome-core package, seems to work well. So I ask to myself what gnome minimal install should really be. I have Sid. Thanks for any help, Rodolfo That wording doesn't really compute in my brain, but I guess you could take it that if it is the only package that provides 'a' minimal install in Debian that would make it 'the' minimal install of Gnome in Debian. The package description doesn't say minimal or minimum it says... It contains the official “core” modules of the GNOME desktop. In the context of being a metapackage to install the gnome desktop I would expect many people would consider applications to view/play images, documents, and media to be likely candidates of a minimal install. A messaging application seems like a less likely application, but that goes back to what the Gnome developers consider core. Later, Seeker -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552ac621.8020...@comcast.net
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
O ideal como alguns comentaram, é saber qual hardware que vem... saber qual placa wireless... ou placa de vídeo... geralmente aonde se encontram os maiores problemas... ver tb com relação ao touchpad ou alguma funcionalidade como biometria se vier... a maoria dos problemas em hardwares novos encontram nesses itens... Em 12/04/15, Linux - Junior Polegatoli...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu: Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com -- | .''`. A fé não dá respostas. Só impede perguntas. | : :' : | `. `'` | `- Je vois tout -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACnf0pjPzOe_VknDB4EsThsSZBGKLr=rQ5PwaTKk=1-lyqh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Book questions
On Apr 12, 2015, at 10:35 AM, David Christensen dpchr...@holgerdanske.com wrote: There now are a number of university-level lectures and/or courses available online for free. For example, SICP 1 e.: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/ Good thought -- I'm in one right now. Harvard's CS50x (Harvard's idea of an Introduction to Computer Science) is very good. There's CS theory, not anywhere as thorough as MIT's, I gather from the 'Net, but it includes quite a bit of hands on C coding, and it's one of the free ones. Get a KR and a snappy connection to the web. And to do this course, you need a reasonably modern computer to handle the virtual Ubuntu/XFCE machine they provide (for Linux, Mac, or Winders). My Pentium laptop gets the job done, eventually, but the more modern Xeon box downstairs is much easier to live with... https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-computer-science-harvardx-cs50x https://cs50.harvard.edu/ -- Glenn English -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/9cafbfa6-96a6-4eea-837a-c09f485e1...@slsware.net
Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
[I'm hoping this isn't a duplicate post, but my first attempt was rejected by bendel.debian.org as forged.] Quoting Rodolfo Medina (rodolfo.med...@gmail.com): According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to be the very minimal gnome installation in Debian. But in my personal experience it is not so. Which documentation? Without seeing it, we can't tell whether the doc is well-worded or not. Just after installing Debian, I installed gnome-core just to have the minimal gnome installation. Then I noticed that totem, the video player, was also installed even though I hadn't. Since I use mplayer, I did `aptitude purge totem' and was surprised to see that gnome-core depended on totem, so that removing totem would also remove gnome-core. I did so, and now gnome desktop environment, even without gnome-core package, seems to work well. So I ask to myself what gnome minimal install should really be. I have Sid. gnome-core is a metapackage, so all it does is pull in all the packages that depend on it. Looking at that list, that seems to give you a selection of software that covers what one might expect to see in a desktop environment. Removing it should cause no problems at all. It contains three files: /usr/share/bug/gnome-core/presubj /usr/share/doc/gnome-core/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/gnome-core/copyright The first documents how to file a bug against gnome when you don't know which component is the cause. Of relevance here is the last paragraph: If you don’t like one of the packages that are depended upon and prefer that we drop the dependency or depend on another one that is not related to GNOME, please don’t bother filing the bug. Metapackages are not a supermarket. We try to make a selection that is suitable for most people; if you don’t like it, you are welcome to make your own. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412191447.gb12...@alum.home
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Grande Fred Maranhão, Acho muito difícil você encontrar algo que alinhe performance e respeito ao usuário no Brasil. Mas pode ser melhor comprar fora mesmo, ainda mais se você pensar em valores além do dinheiro;) www.thinkpenguin.com Abs! On 12-04-2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão wrote: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- Tiago Rocha É bom tudo aquilo que faço que diminui o meu poder sobre outra pessoa; é ruim tudo aquilo que faço que aumenta o meu poder sobre ela.” Antônio Joaquim Severino -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552ac684.9000...@openmailbox.org
Re: Esto esun bug del servidor DHCP, ¿no?
El Sun, 12 de Apr de 2015, a las 01:49:35PM -0500, Frank Harbey Sanabria Florez
dijo:
El server se cuelga?,
Se muere. El proceso deja de existir.
verificaste que la MAC que duplicaste sea una
MAC Original (Establecida por la IEEE)?, la configuracion de
Seguridad ante suplantaciones del DHCP esta habilitada?
No, no lo he verificado, pero no creo que tenga mucha importancia,
porque hice varias pruebas y la misma MAC con la que casca el servidor
en la segunda petición en algunas de las pruebas, la usé como MAC en la
primera petición y el servidor le sirvió ip sin problemas.
Las MAC que me inventaba eran 00:11:22:33:44:5X. Siempre uso esas para
pruebas y nunca tengo problemas.
Además, en wheezy funciona perfectamente.
Como tienes la configuracion en el dhcpd.conf y en el defaults?,
En /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server no cambié nada y la configuración de
dhcpd.conf la escribí en el mensaje con que abrí el hilo. Hay
efectivamente un error del que luego me di cuenta, pero que no afecta:
subnet 192.168.255.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
^^^
[...]
option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255;
^
}
De hecho, lo modifiqué y siguió dando los problemas.
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LibreOffice et touches mortes
Bonsoir la liste, depuis quelques jours, LibreOffice ne réagit pas aux «touches mortes». Les autres programmes ( konsole, Firefox,... ) n' ont aucun problème de ce genre. Je peux afficher les accents: - soit par les touches uniques ( é, è, ù, ... ) - soit par un copier-coller à partir d' une application comme konsole et ce, quelle que soit la police sélectionnée. J' ai la version LibreOffice 4.2.7.2 Avez-vous une idée de ce que je devrais faire? Est-ce dépendant d' une bibliothèque différente? Est-ce une question de fichier de configuration? Je vous en remercie à l'avance Patrick Carabin. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3313382.YCnpBr8Txn@patrick-toshiba-nb500
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Olá! A Dell vende com Ubuntu, mas não tem na página, eu acho, tem que ver o modelo, ligar e falar que quer sem Windows pois vai pedir reembolso deste por ser venda casada e você não vai usar, então te descontam o valor do Windows OEM, que varia de 50 a 300 dependendo o modelo e valor. São todos compatíveis com Debian Testing os que compro há anos para a empresa. []'s Junior Polegato Em 12/04/2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mhxko2cqttv_pdbx5bspu_mdis75ex-yvx1nvhu2a...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] grub: error: cant't find command linux
El Sun, 12 de Apr de 2015, a las 03:52:45PM +, Camaleón dijo: En cualquier caso, ¿dónde instalas GRUB, en el MBR o en la partición / boot/grub? En /boot/grub se instalan los módulos, la configuración menu.cfg y demás ficheros de grub. El sector de arranque de esa partición no tiene nada de especial. El programa principal (creo que es core.img) se instala dependiendo de si estamos con particiones DOS o con particiones GPT. En el primer caso se instala entre el MBR y el comienzo de la primera partición; y en el MBR se queda el código indispensable para que vaya a leer allí. En el segundo caso se instala en una partición de tipo BOOT BIOS que hace el papel del espacio entre el MBR y la primera partición. Lo que no sé muy bien es qué ocurre cuando se elige instalar el grub en una partición DOS particular. Supongo que el código del MBR remitirá al sector de arranque de esa partición y éste al espacio entre el MBR y la primera partición. A mí no me gusta tener un único GRUB porque te arriesgas a que no sea compatible con otros sistemas linux/unix (recordemos que hay distribuciones que lo modifican) Esto no lo sé. ¿Hay distribuciones que no arrancan con un grub genérico? o sencillamente te arriesgas a que por el motivo que sea te falle y no tengas otro para arrancar los sistemas operativos que tengas. Pero en este caso da igual que tengas unos o muchos: si te falla con el que deberías arrancar también vas a tener que montar el taco. En cuanto a tenerlo en su propia partición antes era la opción predeterminada y lo recomendado debido a que en algunos sistemas de archivos (p. ej., ReiserFS) tenía problemas pero ahora me parece que no y los instaladores lo ponen bajo partición raíz (/). El problema de eso es que, inopinadamente, puedes decidir cargarte uno de los sistemas operativos y que resulte que ese sea el que contenía el grub activo. Si tienes grub por separado, es más difícil que te lo cargues o por ignorancia o por descuido. ¡La de usuarios de windows que instalan linux para probar, luego lo borran y dejan de poder arrancar el sistema porque grub necesita los ficheros de /boot/grub y se los acaba de cargar al destruir la partición del linux! Cuando hay varios sistemas operativos en un disco yo prefiero mantener cada GRUB con su distribución y el MBR limpio pero como digo, esto es como las particiones de disco duro, cada uno tiene su sistema :-) Sí, imagino que sí. Un saludo. -- -¿Quién le dice a v.m. que no se pueda hacer? Hacerse puede, que ser imposible es otra cosa. --- Francisco de Quevedo --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412183635.gb12...@cubo.casa
RE: Esto esun bug del servidor DHCP, ¿no?
El server se cuelga?, verificaste que la MAC que duplicaste sea una MAC Original (Establecida por la IEEE)?, la configuracion de Seguridad ante suplantaciones del DHCP esta habilitada? Como tienes la configuracion en el dhcpd.conf y en el defaults?, ese error creo que es mas por una mala configuración del DHCP que del mismo ISC. FRANK HARBEY SANABRIA FLOREZTecnologo en Telecomunicaciones y Sistemas Bogota - Colombia@franksanabria sugeek.co Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 20:12:46 +0200 From: sio2.sio2+lista.deb...@gmail.com To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Esto esun bug del servidor DHCP, ¿no? El Sun, 12 de Apr de 2015, a las 03:41:14PM +, Camaleón dijo: Lo que me escama es el mensaje, dice que no le puede asignar una IP determinada (192.168.255.105) no que no sea posible asignarle una cualquiera :-? Es normal por cómo hice la prueba: usando dos veces el mismo cliente, pero cambiándole entre una y otra petición la MAC. En esta circunstancias, la segunda vez el cliente sugiere al servidor que le entregue la última ip que tenía, o sea, la que recibió la primera vez. Como está ocupada (porque no se liberó), el servidor rechaza esa sugerencia (DCHPNACK) y se dispone a darle otra. Es entonces cuando actúa el lease limit 1, pero en vez de no entregar ninguna, porque ya no hay disponibles, casca. De todas formas, mira a ver si sigue en ejecución tras el segfault. El servidor muere definitivamente, no es que se quede tonto. Ya he enviado el informe de fallo. -- Parezco en mi fortuna al Manzanares, que con agua o sin ella siempre es río. --- Tomé de Burguillos --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412181246.ga12...@cubo.casa
Re: Re: Debian Jessie, gnome-panel no menu.
Thank you. I understood as follows: The applets disappears in gnome3 (no alt-right_mouse_button menu). Gnome3 uses extensions instead of applets. Extensions can be installed trought pacakge or browser (enabling plugins) There are similar extensions to the old applets. The Jessie package gnome-applets led me to make mistakes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552aba13.8010...@gmx.com
Re: Problemas con la instalación (era: ¿Cuál imagen descargar para AMD64?)
El 12/04/15 a las 13:08, Camaleón escribió: El Sat, 11 Apr 2015 23:18:48 -0300, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió: Creo un hilo nuevo para no mezclar los temas. Buena idea. Esto ya es otra cosa. (...) La cosa es que tras varios intentos no pude instalar Debian Jessie. Se apaga por calentamiento crítico. No hay caso. Le puse hasta un ventilador de los grandes al lado para que la mantenga fresca pero nada. El instalador alcanzó a descargar todos los debs y ya se disponía a ejecutar dpkg, o sea que está el sistema base instalado pero no puede continuar con la instalación. ¿Alguna idea de cómo evitar el apagado por calentamiento y que pueda terminar de instalar el sistema? Si no es posible, bueno, descartaré esta opción o probaré Jessie en la PC. Lo mejor suele ser abrir el equipo y aspirarlo. Si se trata de un portátil, ponerlo sobre una placa de ventilación. De todas formas, instalar únicamente el sistema base (desde un CD o USB) siempre es más rápido y luego ya irás añadiendo paquetes. Lo intentaré. Ah! Actualicé GRUB desde Kubuntu y detectó a Debian en la sda2. Mejor si explicas esto, ¿qué hiciste exactamente? Ingresé a Kubuntu y ejecuté update-grub Si le doy a esa opción carga el sistema base y se queda en modo texto (pantalla negra con el (prompt, ¿Se dice así en linux?) pero si me logueo no me responde ni como usuario ni como root. ¿Desde ahí se podrá seguir la instalación? Bueno, en este caso te dará igual volver a iniciar el instalador desde cero porque el sistema es reciente, pero el problema del calentamiento va a seguir ahí y es lo primero que tendrías que resolver. Saludos, Gracias Camaleón. Saludos. -- Sergio Bessopeanetto Buenos Aires - Argentina -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552acc99.7080...@inbox.im
Re: Is gnome-core *really* the gnome minimal install?
On 04/12/2015 02:19 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Hi all. According to documentations, gnome-core package is considered to be the very minimal gnome installation in Debian. But in my personal experience it is not so. Just after installing Debian, I installed gnome-core just to have the minimal gnome installation. Then I noticed that totem, the video player, was also installed even though I hadn't. Since I use mplayer, I did `aptitude purge totem' and was surprised to see that gnome-core depended on totem, so that removing totem would also remove gnome-core. I did so, and now gnome desktop environment, even without gnome-core package, seems to work well. So I ask to myself what gnome minimal install should really be. I have Sid. Gnome loves to pull in Evolution as well. I would think that a choice of email client would be left to the user. Since I can't have one without the other, I pushed the red button and now have neither. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552aceb0.2090...@gmail.com
Re: debian 8
Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): As I have previously stated, elsewhere, I have not been able to get a screensaver and screenlock, to properly run, on Debian 7; the only thing that I have found, so far, is the trojan horse that is part of the xfce interface, and, on a previous occasion, as what had appeared to have been an orderly system shutdown, apparently failed (the system shut down, but then led to a system failure, with no power lights or anything, on trying to later, power up the computer), requiring the system to be taken to a hardware service place for repair, and, as I have as yet been unable to get Debian 7 to find a connected (and yes, connected and powered up, before booting the computer) external monitor, on two separte compters running Debian 7, then, yes, I believe that my experience is that Debian 7 still has a way to go, before it is functional and stable. Debian 7, to me, is still testing, and, it is very testing. It has certainly made a fool of me, having caused me to take a computer to a hardware service place, about 40km away, for hardware repair, due to what was done to the system, by Debian 7. What did they find out was wrong with it? Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412203509.ga5...@alum.home
Re: Jessie
Le Sun, 12 Apr 2015 21:16:30 +0200, Yannick VOYEAUD yann...@voyeaud.org a écrit : Si pour le reste je peux faire avec là ce fond noir me dérange énormément vous ne pouvez savoir. Comment remédier à ce très gros problème? Fond noir... je suppose donc que c'est Gnome. Tu installe un thème, ça ira plus vite, sinon c'est un peu rigide et à base de css. Si c'est juste mettre une image de fond d'écran, je crois que clic droit comme d'hab. et il doit y avoir une extension qui fait diaporama. De toute manière gnome c'est devenu un peu comme Android : Il y a une app^h^h^h extension pour ça -- haricoph...@aranha.fr -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150412224436.4d728173@azuki.jisui
Re: VLANs won't persist
On Saturday 11 April 2015 04:50:12 M7 wrote: i can manually bring it up using vconfig add eth0 4 and have access. Upon reboot, ifconfig only shows me lo interface. Any help would be appreciated! Have you got NetworkManager running? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201504122210.27947.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: computador compatível com software livre. onde comprar?
Em 12 de abril de 2015 16:24, Tiago Rocha tiago.ro...@openmailbox.org escreveu: Grande Fred Maranhão, Acho muito difícil você encontrar algo que alinhe performance e respeito ao usuário no Brasil. pois é. e eu não quero um computador que simplesmente funcione. eu quero um que funcione totalmente com software livre. sem drivers proprietários. coisa bem radical, na linha richard stallman mesmo. mas não sei se vou conseguir Mas pode ser melhor comprar fora mesmo, ainda mais se você pensar em valores além do dinheiro;) www.thinkpenguin.com vou dar uma olhada. Abs! On 12-04-2015 13:49, Fred Maranhão wrote: caros, onde eu compro um laptop (i7, 8G RAM, 1T de HD) compatível com software livre numa loja de internet (americanas, extra, walmart, etc) aqui no brasil? estou procurando algum computador que seja listado como A-Platinum pelo h-node.org nestas lojas e não estou encontrando. Fred -- Tiago Rocha É bom tudo aquilo que faço que diminui o meu poder sobre outra pessoa; é ruim tudo aquilo que faço que aumenta o meu poder sobre ela.” Antônio Joaquim Severino -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/552ac684.9000...@openmailbox.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/capr829mr67gunwdm3z4bgd_f-tj0rupqx1hyf_p1kesnzl6...@mail.gmail.com
