Re: CD DVD drive docs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 09:13:29PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, David Niklas wrote: Well there is a kernel dev mailing list. You mean Linux Kernel Mailing List ? That's a nice place to get your head bitten off. [...] Beware. Just thinking about posting to LKML can have severe conesquences: In december 2005 i prepared a petition, to ask for CD TAO burning in the kernel after yet another flame war between cdrecord's author and the kernel eminencies. You sure got yourself into a hot spot then! And... how did you survive? Two heads? (just joking: I deeply appreciate your work :-) regards - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXYBZYACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYQegCffoN26oPTuF3OKxpMpyZWUD99 D8AAn2QD0E8EEnrtTlJFVO2fapTDhQOt =qprT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On 08/21/2015 09:29 AM, Martin Skjöldebrand wrote: Well one reason is if your mail server also has webmail. Then your users, Debian based for 90% or their time, would possibly access your mail server from some other more virus affected OS as well. And be at risk that way. That begs the question, what did Hillary use? cackles Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
Re: Plasma 5 wont starting
Somebody identified what is the actual problem? On 21 Aug 2015 14:21, Diederik de Haas didi.deb...@cknow.org wrote: On Friday 21 August 2015 14:06:58 അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ്. wrote: I'm in Debian Sid with KDE5. But after a recent update done 2 weeks before, KDE wont getting started. Check the debian-kde ML archives (https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/), there are various posts related to these problems. In short: Debian Sid is rather broken atm and will be for some time. Downgrade to testing and things should _mostly_ work.
Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): On 2015-08-21 08:36:43 -0500, David Wright wrote: Quoting Erwan David (er...@rail.eu.org): 1) You're speaking input, Vincent was speaking output Eh? The OP was speaking input. To summarise, . Q: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ? . A: I touched the key to the left of the space bar at the same time. . Fix: Redefine Alt-Space to type an ordinary space. Since then, the discussion moved on to how NBSP should be *displayed* in various contexts. This happened at the last substantive (UK sense) paragraph of https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00360.html And if you follow the quotes, this subthread is a descendent of this, about output: [...] It's not too bad if only NO-BREAK SPACE had a visible glyph. Something like four dots at the corners of its rectangle. [...] Well, until you re-introduced input... 2) it's the shell which makes a different treatment than cat. Exactly what Vincent said. It is up to the application running in the shell to do what is needed. Mark that last sentence. Which application are you speaking of, specifically in the case under discussion, ie typing characters like NBSP and TAB TAB into the shell. The process that will get the character. It may be the shell or some other process. Details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_group I've said here (and you just snipped it out of the quotation above): 'So my point is, rendering NBSP in a special way *is* needed (because NBSP is not treated as firstclass whitespace and, it appears, never can be).' So your reply It is up to the application running in the shell to do what is needed just begs the question. I've already said what is needed (IMO) and Vincent said (AIUI) that it couldn't be done. No, here's what I said: | In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like | a space. The differentiation is useful mainly in source code | and when editing, thus it must be done by the application via | configuration (actually applications running in the terminal | rather than the terminal itself). So we may be talking at cross-purposes here as I'm distinguishing the shell (command interpreter/application launcher) from applications, much as Erwan appears to in that sentence. Sorry; but that's why I wrote (AIUI) just there. What I'm saying is that the *terminal* cannot know the context (at least in a standard way) to determine whether NBSP should be displayed like a space or with a special glyph. I disagreed, and gave a counter-example (shell's treatment of TAB TAB). Your counter-example is something different because it is about input (though this doesn't really matter since the notion of context is the same for both input and output) and because the TAB handling is not done by the terminal, but by two different applications running in the terminal (the shell and cat). As I've said later, both applications receive TAB in input. They behave differently only because they interpret TAB differently, i.e. the differentiation is done by the application (the shell and cat). This may come down to terminology again. I don't know. To me, input to the shell is what the keys produce (scan codes) and then the keymap turns them into. That's what I was struggling with yesterday in another thread, playing about with /etc/console-setup/remap.inc. When a character goes into the shell, it is interpreted. What then reflects on the screen, to me, is output from the shell. In other words, I press the keys [l] [s] [ ] [.] [.] [Alt-Space] [.] [.] [Return] and the shell reflects (outputs in my terminology) 'ls .. .. ' on the screen and hands '..NBSP..' to ls which complains that there's no such entry. What I want reflected (output) is 'ls ..·.. ' where my · character does not masquerade as an ordinary space. So all this is about output, viz: cat, xpdf, document displays, printers: NBSP - a space that doesn't lead to a break. The cat utility never breaks lines. It just sends the characters to the output. For PDF and printers (after filtering), the formatting is already done. So, whether you have a NBSP or a normal space in your PDF, this won't change anything. This was written just by way of illustrating typographical context. My - stands for your filtering. (Yes, cat is not a very good example. I used it thoughtlessly as a way of dumping a file onto the screen in order to admire the text, rather than, say, editing it on the screen. Obviously cat mustn't do anything to the characters.) NBSP makes sense, for instance, in HTML. buffer in an editor: NBSP - a visible glyph (in emacs I think I see a cyan underscore character). Magenta in my case (but this may depend on the background). If Emacs runs in a terminal, I get a normal space with a magenta background (the NBSP is not preserved by copy-paste). Ditto here in emacs -nw. I don't know why my
Re: Plasma 5 wont starting
On 08/21/2015 01:36 AM, അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ്. wrote: I'm in Debian Sid with KDE5. But after a recent update done 2 weeks before, KDE wont getting started. Only the mouse pointer is shown after login. I thinks (not sure) something happened to KWin. Any troubleshooting willbe highly appreciated. Regards, Akhilan Off: Eventhough KDM starts up the Icons Style shown in Login manager is Gnome Style. A problem in packages libkf5windowsystem* was fixed two days ago. What you post sounds like you need to install/upgrade package 'plasma-desktop'. -- Jimmy Johnson Debian - Sid - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda15 Registered Linux User #380263
Re: Compiler une version supérieur de cups (sur jessie)
Bonjour, Le Fri, 21 Aug 2015 18:40:12 +0200, Sylvain L. Sauvage sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr a écrit : 2. apt-get source toto je suppose que je dois mettre les dépot de testing avant de faire cela ? puis apt-get source -t testing cups ?
wired network connection has stopped working
Greetings! About a year ago my wired modem connection stopped working. I can find nothing on google which helps. In dmesg there is: eth0: link is not ready Here is ifconfig output, in case it is useful for people trying to help me with the problem: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:24:7e:6a:c3:93 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:20 Memory:fc60-fc62 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:13 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:13 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:643 (643.0 B) TX bytes:643 (643.0 B) wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:22:fa:f5:a5:78 inet addr:192.168.0.10 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::222:faff:fef5:a578/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:13351 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:13109 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:6861821 (6.5 MiB) TX bytes:2614612 (2.4 MiB) I'm running wheezy. Regards, Tom Arnall Baja Norte - “Once you can accept the universe as matter expanding into nothing that is something, wearing stripes with plaid comes easy.” Albert Einstein
Re: Starting, installing Redmine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:28:11AM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: On 08/21/2015 12:29 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: what do the log files say? Best is if you look at them (1) just after having restarted Apache. The error log should contain possible warnings about misconfiguration, etc. (2) after having tried an access. The access log should at least show the attempt, perhaps the error log has more info. There's a way to crank up the log verbosity, if necessary. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_web_hosting_service#Name-based_virtual_hosts Since last missive, localhost/redmine produces an error page Web application could not be started Then Phusion Passenger listed about 10 pages on just about everything in the system. The first line seems significant. ie (unknown): did not find expected key while parsing a block mapping at line 1 column 1 (Psych::SyntaxError) Something is definitely wrong, but the error message is just too unspecific to give us any clue. But... The rest seems to be a repeat of the apache2 error log. The error log is listed below. I've highlighted in red and a the significant portions. I re-indented the lines a bit (being a bit liberal about line length) [ 2015-08-21 09:44:56.9036 862/7f3e77342740 agents/HelperAgent/Main.cpp:650 ]: PassengerHelperAgent online, listening at unix:/tmp/passenger.1.0.855/generation-0/request [ 2015-08-21 09:44:56.9109 869/7f0a4350d780 agents/LoggingAgent/Main.cpp:321 ]: PassengerLoggingAgent online, listening at unix:/tmp/passenger.1.0.855/generation-0/logging [ 2015-08-21 09:44:56.9110 859/7f547f176740 agents/Watchdog/Main.cpp:728 ]: All Phusion Passenger agents started! [Fri Aug 21 09:44:56.964658 2015] [wsgi:warn] [pid 855:tid 140337965688704] mod_wsgi: Compiled for Python/2.7.8. [Fri Aug 21 09:44:56.964745 2015] [wsgi:warn] [pid 855:tid 140337965688704] mod_wsgi: Runtime using Python/2.7.9. This one is probably harmless (just a difference in the minor-minor version). [Fri Aug 21 09:44:56.965283 2015] [mpm_worker:notice] [pid 855:tid 140337965688704] AH00292: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) Phusion_Passenger/4.0.53 mod_wsgi/4.3.0 Python/2.7.9 configured -- resuming normal operations [Fri Aug 21 09:44:56.965301 2015] [core:notice] [pid 855:tid 140337965688704] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' App 4493 stdout: App 4493 stderr: env: /usr/bin/passenger-config: No such file or directory App 4493 stdout: [ 2015-08-21 10:04:20.7347 862/7f3e7725c700 Pool2/Implementation.cpp:287 ]: Could not spawn process for application /usr/share/redmine: An error occured while starting up the preloader. Error ID: 469d837f Error details saved to: /tmp/passenger-error-m73dnZ.html [rest elided] I think that the missing /usr/bin/passanger-config file is the root problem. I tried to symlink the file in but it doesn't seem to have worked. I'll keep working. [note: you have a typo there (passanger): only important when cuttingpasting] Yes, this seems to me the most promising clue as well. Note that there is a mention of an error details file in /tmp/passenger-error-m73dnZ.html. Perhaps there are more clues there. Searching for which Debian packages provide a file named like that [1] points to a package named passenger. OTOH there's no package named like that [2], but there are two: libapache2-mod-passenger and ruby-passenger (OK, there are more of them, but they are documentation packages). Both of them seem to be installed, judging by the logs. What is the output of aptitude search passenger? Alternatively, if you use a graphical package manager (synaptic or similar) what does it say about packages of similar name? What files come with libapache2-mod-passenger? What files with ruby-passenger? (You can find that out in the command line with dpkg -L ruby-passenger) Which one provides /usr/bin/passenger-config? Try to force-reinstall that one. - - - - - - [1] Here's how I went about that: apt-file search usr/bin/passenger-config (you have to have the apt-file package installed for that, and perhaps do from time to time an apt-file update) [2] This might well be sign of a packaging error. Regards - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXYBOAACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaMSQCfU/FLTrnbFW3yE0b09gx8/sSr fEcAniuI40GAhZ6XEsoiqHabH73QMWry =rNVI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: wired network connection has stopped working
On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 22:07:27 -0700 tom arnall kloro2...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings! About a year ago my wired modem connection stopped working. I can find nothing on google which helps. In dmesg there is: eth0: link is not ready Here is ifconfig output, in case it is useful for people trying to help me with the problem: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:24:7e:6a:c3:93 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:20 Memory:fc60-fc62 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:13 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:13 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:643 (643.0 B) TX bytes:643 (643.0 B) wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:22:fa:f5:a5:78 inet addr:192.168.0.10 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::222:faff:fef5:a578/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:13351 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:13109 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:6861821 (6.5 MiB) TX bytes:2614612 (2.4 MiB) I'm running wheezy. Can you use the eth0 interface to connect to another device? Have you tried using a different cable? If it's not a physical problem, can you post your /etc/network/interfaces (remembering to remove any passwords)? pgp8yS3e6N7iO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: wired network connection has stopped working
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:07:27PM -0700, tom arnall wrote: Greetings! About a year ago my wired modem connection stopped working. I can find nothing on google which helps. Stupid question, I know: have you checked the cable? (those break sometimes) Have you checked another computer on the eth socket? regards - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXYBq0ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbBogCdEb4WgaLGMQbdrLj9T4MCteW/ AqQAn29sp57cYmcMuerGiRaPmpkNxraO =fSaT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: One noob, 3 orphan source packages, 14 .deb, looking for a sponsor
Hi, Dominique Dumon wrote: https://ddumont.wordpress.com/2015/05/31/improving-update-of-existing-debian copyright-file/ This will be of help when i expand my work to packages where i am not the upstream. For my own ones i rather seem to know too much about the license situation of their various representations. All packages must be signed with the GnuPG key Either dpkg-buildpackage without -us -uc or debsign applied to the changes file. Will try. And also the proposal to use debuild instead of dpkg-buildpackage, which i got on debian-ment...@lists.debian.org. I quite often use a burner so I can also sponsor your packages. I hope I won't be the only sponsor as my response time can sometime be very long... The more sponsors the better. I understand Steve is interested because of the Debian installation ISOs. Users of burners might be interested to plug me together with kernel people so that we can tackle the multi-SG_IO performance regression. udev's interference could need some curbing, too. (It's better than with olde hald-addon-storage, though.) That said, you need to decide what to do with pkg-liburnia project on alioth. Oops. Another construction site ? You can trash it and move your repo to collab-maint or you can go on using it. I have (or need) a repo at collab-maint ? In the latter case, please, fix the mailing list to avoid spams (either moderate the list or block mail for non-subscribers) You mean pkg-libburnia-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org ? How do i get administration power for all this ? And where to learn using that power properly ? tracker.debian.org gives a better idea of who maintain a package. Uploaders show the team members that actively participate in maintenance. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libburn shows Mario and George, both friends of mine, but too busy. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dvd+rw-tools shows the three people whom i believed to never have met in the internet about the topic of DVD burning. But my bug report #713016 shows the work of two of them. With photo. (The mail notification of bugs works or works not, depending on moon phase and constellation of decommissioned satellites.) So i will get even more potential sponsors. :)) Using a team email in maintainer enable you to have a global overview of the package status. https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=pkg-libburnia-devel%40lists.alioth.debian.org is entirely dedicated to my tarballs. I feel flattered. Team members are listed on alioth in their respective project page. For instance: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-sdl/ I fail to find the the equivalent for my packages or the team. Tried: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/libburn https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-libburnia-devel Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: [testing] paquets non authentifiés
Le Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:15:39 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr a écrit: Le Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:58:54 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le 19/08/2015 13:36, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Bonjour, Depuis quelques jours je constate que les paquets ne sont plus authentifiés. Comment cela se fait-il ? PS: je suis sur le miroir ftp2.fr.debian.org Salut Ceci est arrivé maint fois. Dans ce cas là, je change de dépôt. Je suis repassé sur ftp.fr est tout est rentré dans l'ordre ... Marche plus aujourd'hui. C'est pénible ... C'est un problème sur les serveurs ou local ? Gaëtan
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 21 August 2015 10:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote: So should you (the OP) run an AV ? Well.. I guess. IMVHO ;) We are all almost all agreed that he should run one to protect his ahem Windows using friends from viruses which may be contained in forwarded email. If it also protects his own set-up, about which I remain dubious, so much the better. And it certainly can do no harm! If it's a mail server, then clamav in the reception chain can really save your inbox from useless mail as well.
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Friday 21 August 2015 10:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote: So should you (the OP) run an AV ? Well.. I guess. IMVHO ;) We are all almost all agreed that he should run one to protect his ahem Windows using friends from viruses which may be contained in forwarded email. If it also protects his own set-up, about which I remain dubious, so much the better. And it certainly can do no harm! Lisi
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Friday 21 August 2015 12:18:15 Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 21 August 2015 10:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote: So should you (the OP) run an AV ? Well.. I guess. IMVHO ;) We are all almost all agreed that he should run one to protect his ahem Windows using friends from viruses which may be contained in forwarded email. If it also protects his own set-up, about which I remain dubious, so much the better. And it certainly can do no harm! If it's a mail server, then clamav in the reception chain can really save your inbox from useless mail as well. :-) Yes, of course! I was thinking of desktops. It is a mailserver, it may have Windows clients and should certainly be virus checked, for that reason if no other. Lisi
Re: Antivirus for Debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 01:55:54PM +0200, Frédéric Marchal wrote: [...] My understanding of ClamAV is that it is not suitable to scan an infected Linux computer from the computer itself. The best summary so-far. Thanks for it! - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXXH1oACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZ+rwCfQDmQ17EOfqqTjqpifJ4DnBN8 uvoAni78/CotPvN5AqLAr9OYmRlFpLoo =QQpT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [testing] paquets non authentifiés
On 21. 08. 15 13:17, Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: Le Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:15:39 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr a écrit: Le Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:58:54 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le 19/08/2015 13:36, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Bonjour, Depuis quelques jours je constate que les paquets ne sont plus authentifiés. Comment cela se fait-il ? PS: je suis sur le miroir ftp2.fr.debian.org Salut Ceci est arrivé maint fois. Dans ce cas là, je change de dépôt. Je suis repassé sur ftp.fr est tout est rentré dans l'ordre ... Marche plus aujourd'hui. C'est pénible ... C'est un problème sur les serveurs ou local ? Gaëtan J'ai vu passer une mise à jour du paquet debian-keyring il y a qq jours (sous SID v. 2015.06.19 - 2015.08.13) [Mais… je ne suis même pas sûr que les clefs qu'il contient permettent l'authentification des paquets. Peut-être que je mélange avec debian-archive-keyring… pertinence très incertaine] Alexandre Hoïde, fournisseur en corrélations à(de) gogo.
Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?
On 2015-08-21 07:30:18 +0200, Erwan David wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 04:56:54AM CEST, David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk said: Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): On 2015-08-19 16:33:09 -0500, David Wright wrote: Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): But the typographical purpose of NO-BREAK SPACE is to look like space without inviting an automatic line break. So making it look not like space would be absurd. But shell input is not a typographical context. Most source code isn't, except in literals. Documents generally are because they are displayed/printed. The point is that the terminal cannot do the difference between a NBSP coming from shell input and a NBSP coming from a displayed document. So, it should render a NBSP exactly like a normal space. And it is up to the application (the shell, an editor in some mode, etc.) to render NBSP in a special way if needed. Why not? Let's substitute TAB TAB for NBSP in your comment. My terminal happily swallows TAB TAB with cat file, and renders it correctly with cat file. But when I type TAB TAB as shell input, I get Display all 3402 possibilities? (y or n). It seems to be able to do the difference in this case. 1) You're speaking input, Vincent was speaking output Yes, and for input, there is also a small difference. When one types cat file, the terminal is put in cooked mode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooked_mode The TAB gets interpreted by the terminal as a normal character, before the whole line is sent to the program (unless interrupted). As shell input, the terminal is in raw mode, so that the TAB is *immediately* sent as a normal character to the shell, which interprets it in a special way. In both cases, the TAB is sent as a normal character to the program, but only the way it is sent is different. Note: just like it is possible to put the terminal in cooked mode or in raw mode for input, it could be possible for output to to instruct the terminal how a NBSP should be displayed. This could typically be done via escape sequences. So, applications would no longer need to care how to display NBSP; they would just need to send the escape sequences at the beginning and at the end. But nothing standard. Well, this would be more complex in practice because programs can execute other programs or can be killed... But the problem would be the same as the ones with the other modes (e.g. cursor invisibility, alternate screen, and so on). -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: https://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: https://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)
Re: VC keyboard configuration
Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net):
David Wright wrote:
An important file is /etc/console-setup/cached_UTF-8_del.kmap.gz
What I haven't worked out is: what puts this cache file together?
It's obviously been constructed because near the end it says:
# The content of this file will be appended to the keyboard layout.
followed by commented examples of changes one might make.
Where was the so-called this file found when this cache was
constructed?
On Debian 8.1:
# fgrep -r 'will be appended to the keyboard layout' /etc
yields
/etc/console-setup/remap.inc:# The content of this file will be appended to
the keyboard layout.
remap.inc looks like the tail of my cached_UTF-8_del.kmap.gz.
I don't know how I missed that (maybe flaky pasting or typing)
# fgrep -r 'remap.inc' /usr
/usr/bin/ckbcomp:my $file1 = /etc/console-setup/remap.inc;
/usr/bin/ckbcomp:my $file2 = $installdir/etc/console-setup/remap.inc;
I see that setupcon calls ckbcomp. So I'm assuming that the Debian Way™
is to run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, and I see that that does do
the appending to cached_UTF-8_del.kmap.gz.
David Wright wrote in How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?:
I don't want
X's involvement, except in as much as it shares configuration files
like /etc/default/keyboard.
I understand from man 5 keyboard that this file is part of X.
But /usr/bin/ckbcomp is a perl script which in its header
talks of loadkeys, which is a kernel thing.
I've added the following lines to /etc/console-setup/remap.inc:
# Last edited 2015-08-20
# After editing this file, run the following on a VC (making no changes):
# dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
# dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
# Ctrl-arrows do the same as PageUp/Down (for moving by word)
ctrll keycode 105 = Prior
ctrlr keycode 105 = 'z'
ctrll keycode 106 = Next
ctrlr keycode 106 = 'Hello'
#
... and then run dpkg-reconfigure as in the comments. This has an
immediate effect which is rather bizarre: Alt-Left and Alt-Right
(which I use in iceweasel as GoBack and GoForward) now rotate the
display through the VCs, including X. As you know, normally you
can rotate into X but not out of it, which requires CtrlAltF{2-6}.
Note that this bizarre behaviour only happens if X was running (on
VC1) while I was dpkg-reconfiguring on VC2.
When experimenting with XKB, did you take into respect the statement
about
udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change
in man 5 keyboard ?
No. I reboot, and that also has the benefit of eliminating the
bizarre effect above. Bear in mind that I'm not trying to make
two configurations to switch between. I going for a single stable
configuration that comes up at boot.
Anyway, something gets seriously screwed up by adding those
lines. They have no effect on either Control-. However, WindowsL-Left and
-Right no longer behave as normal (ie rotating VCs), so I have to use
Alt-. Without those lines I can use either modifier to rotate through
the VCs. But worse, the keyboard has gone american: left of z
(instead of \ |), \ | left of Return (instead of # ~) and so on.
Normality is restored by removing the appended lines and dpkg-reconfiguring.
The output from dumpkeys -f is very different in the two
cases. Here are the first two lines (spaces have been compacted):
With the extra lines:
keymaps 0-2,4-5,8,12
keycode 1 = Escape Escape VoidSymbol VoidSymbol VoidSymbol Meta_Escape
VoidSymbol
As normal, without the extra lines:
keymaps 0-127
keycode 1 = Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Escape Escape
Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape
Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape
Escape Escape Escape Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Escape
Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape
Escape Escape Escape
Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape
Escape Escape Escape Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
Meta_Escape Meta_Escape
[I've wrapped that line just to be polite]
Further down the file, you can see the changes that have put the
keyboard into US-English instead of GB. I can't work out how adding
four lines can make all those
Re: Antivirus for Debian
Quoting Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk: On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 15:11:09 -0500, David Wright wrote: Quoting Brian (a...@cityscape.co.uk): On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 19:24:49 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400 Dwijesh Gajadur dwije...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Dwijesh, Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended antivirus for Debian? The viruses that run on linux (any distro) are few and far between. To the extent that they don't exist. So the frequency of them is not an issue. Existing almost entirely as proof of concept. As Renaud points out, if you run a mailserver, then you would be well advised to run AV software. That software will be looking for Windows malware though, not linux. I run a mail server on Debian. All mail is handled by it. I do not run AV software, Where am I going wrong? I refuse to take your advice to install AV software simply because I have a mail server. I am not well advised. I'm getting confused. You posted earlier: On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 14:08:44 -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 21:58:50 +0400 Dwijesh Gajadur dwije...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended antivirus for Debian? The only time you may want an anti-virus is when you are running a mail server, so you can avoid spreading infected mails. ... to OSs which are susceptible to such viruses. It's a good neighbour policy. Could you clarify for me what you mean. Should you or shouldn't you run AV software when running a mail server? If your users are on Debian I cannot see why you should do. Well one reason is if your mail server also has webmail. Then your users, Debian based for 90% or their time, would possibly access your mail server from some other more virus affected OS as well. And be at risk that way. /Martin S
Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?
Quoting Erwan David (er...@rail.eu.org): On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 04:56:54AM CEST, David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk said: Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): On 2015-08-19 16:33:09 -0500, David Wright wrote: Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): But the typographical purpose of NO-BREAK SPACE is to look like space without inviting an automatic line break. So making it look not like space would be absurd. But shell input is not a typographical context. Most source code isn't, except in literals. Documents generally are because they are displayed/printed. The point is that the terminal cannot do the difference between a NBSP coming from shell input and a NBSP coming from a displayed document. So, it should render a NBSP exactly like a normal space. And it is up to the application (the shell, an editor in some mode, etc.) to render NBSP in a special way if needed. Why not? Let's substitute TAB TAB for NBSP in your comment. My terminal happily swallows TAB TAB with cat file, and renders it correctly with cat file. But when I type TAB TAB as shell input, I get Display all 3402 possibilities? (y or n). It seems to be able to do the difference in this case. 1) You're speaking input, Vincent was speaking output Eh? The OP was speaking input. To summarise, . Q: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ? . A: I touched the key to the left of the space bar at the same time. . Fix: Redefine Alt-Space to type an ordinary space. Since then, the discussion moved on to how NBSP should be *displayed* in various contexts. This happened at the last substantive (UK sense) paragraph of https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00360.html Now I don't know about you, but nothing I type has been displayed *directly* since I started computing in 1971. I once saw an IBM 3270 which allegedly did this but it was returned to IBM in the box as unsuitable for that very reason. I suppose one might include the ASR 33, but only when it was being used to duplicate a paper tape. 2) it's the shell which makes a different treatment than cat. Exactly what Vincent said. It is up to the application running in the shell to do what is needed. Which application are you speaking of, specifically in the case under discussion, ie typing characters like NBSP and TAB TAB into the shell. I've said here (and you just snipped it out of the quotation above): 'So my point is, rendering NBSP in a special way *is* needed (because NBSP is not treated as firstclass whitespace and, it appears, never can be).' So your reply It is up to the application running in the shell to do what is needed just begs the question. I've already said what is needed (IMO) and Vincent said (AIUI) that it couldn't be done. I disagreed, and gave a counter-example (shell's treatment of TAB TAB). So all this is about output, viz: cat, xpdf, document displays, printers: NBSP - a space that doesn't lead to a break. buffer in an editor: NBSP - a visible glyph (in emacs I think I see a cyan underscore character). shell reflecting the user's typing: NBSP - a visible glyph indicating that something other than white space is there, eg Thomas's four dots at the corners of its rectangle. It might, for example, be used as or in a filename (unquoted). Cheers, David.
Re: sistema de guardado de contraseñas
Buenas a todos! 2015-08-14 7:59 GMT+01:00 Antonio Trujillo Carmona antonio.trujillo.s...@juntadeandalucia.es: ¿Alguien conoce algún programa de guardado de contraseñas con interfaz web? Se trata de guardar las contraseñas de todos los servidores para que puedan ser consultadas por los técnicos. Otro buen gestor de contraseñas web es: TeamPass (http://www.teampass.net/). Pero hay que configurar bien los permisos, si no nadie ve lo que tiene que ver xD Saludos, Francisco
Re: Request virtualbox setup advice
On Friday 21 August 2015 10:33:23 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 20 August 2015 20:56:39 Whit Hansell wrote: Please advise. I would love to have a good working version of Windows on my Linux box for the few times it is needed. I personally would avoid all risk of conflict and purge VB with your package manager of choice before installing the upstream version. In my experience one needs (I needed) the upstream guest additions. Lisi Hi: I couldn't test VBox5.0 on Jessie - that might work but if you already upgraded Jessie to Testing than you run into problems with libvpx1. It has no install candidate in Testing because libvpx2 is part of Testing. The best bet might be to stay with Jessie as host system and install Testing in a virtual machine to keep track of the gcc5 transition. Well - all depends on what you are up to ... Cheers Eike
Re: [testing] paquets non authentifiés
Salut, je suis sur ftp.fr et je n'ai pas ce problème, je ne peux t'aider plus mais cela te donne une info. Bon courage Le 21/08/2015 13:17, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Le Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:15:39 +0200 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr a écrit: Le Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:58:54 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le 19/08/2015 13:36, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Bonjour, Depuis quelques jours je constate que les paquets ne sont plus authentifiés. Comment cela se fait-il ? PS: je suis sur le miroir ftp2.fr.debian.org Salut Ceci est arrivé maint fois. Dans ce cas là, je change de dépôt. Je suis repassé sur ftp.fr est tout est rentré dans l'ordre ... Marche plus aujourd'hui. C'est pénible ... C'est un problème sur les serveurs ou local ? Gaëtan
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Friday 21 August 2015 08:53:46 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 01:55:54PM +0200, Frédéric Marchal wrote: [...] My understanding of ClamAV is that it is not suitable to scan an infected Linux computer from the computer itself. The best summary so-far. Thanks for it! -- t I would never make such a statement. I use it to do a daily scan 3 major areas of this machine that covers both home, and my web pages content. And it has found suspicious files in the email corpus tree, files that somehow got past the incoming email scan that procmail also subjects that email to. I suspect they were zero-day things aimed at winderz lusers that got by and were caught later after freshclam had updated the signature database. Files that I never attempted to view in the first place by following common sense rules, like know the sender. The incoming virii scan quarantines those in a separate file that I may scan thru with less before I nuke it a few months later, but I have yet to find a msg from somone I semi-know in that file. Its about 100k in size ATM so clamd is doing its job. My biggest complaint? It sends me emails even if it doesn't find anything. I guess its a reminder assuring me the machine is relatively clean. I am also on a 4 machine local network, isolated from all the attack vectors by an install of DD-WRT in my router. I used to follow the logs from it, but watching 100k+ login failures a day got boring. Only one person has come into this system, and because I needed help troubleshooting, I gave him the username passwords it took to do that over the phone. NO ONE else has managed that feat in over a decade of hiding behind DD-WRT. Obvously it comes highly recommended by me. I also run my own web pages on this machine, so that needs qualifying in that all that runs in an isolated sandbox I won't further describe for obvious reasons. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Friday 21 August 2015 09:25:24 Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 21 August 2015 08:53:46 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 01:55:54PM +0200, Frédéric Marchal wrote: [...] My understanding of ClamAV is that it is not suitable to scan an infected Linux computer from the computer itself. The best summary so-far. Thanks for it! -- t I would never make such a statement. I use it to do a daily scan 3 major areas of this machine that covers both home, and my web pages content. And it has found suspicious files in the email corpus tree, files that somehow got past the incoming email scan that procmail also subjects that email to. I suspect they were zero-day things aimed at winderz lusers that got by and were caught later after freshclam had updated the signature database. Files that I never attempted to view in the first place by following common sense rules, like know the sender. I wasn't clear enough. ClamAV cannot fix a Linux box infected by a live virus. A virus tailored for Linux would make sure it fails. A boot CD is required in that case. So, running ClamAV on a daily basis to make sure the system is sane is pointless. In addition, ClamAV cannot protect your computer the way Windows anti-viruses do when the user execute a program containing a virus. My mail had a paragraph about cases where ClamAV is useful. Scanning mails for Windows virii was in the list. But note that it won't do you any good to scan your Linux inbox for Windows virii unless you have a habit of forwarding suspicious mails to Windows users (that could be fun though }:- ). Frederic
Re: [testing] paquets non authentifiés
Le 21/08/2015 13:17, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Je suis repassé sur ftp.fr est tout est rentré dans l'ordre ... Marche plus aujourd'hui. C'est pénible ... C'est un problème sur les serveurs ou local ? Pour le savoir, tu remplaces 'fr' par 'de' ou bien 'us' -- Maderios
Re: VC keyboard configuration
Hi, in the main course of your endeavor i am overwhelmed, i fear. Note that this bizarre behaviour only happens if X was running (on VC1) while I was dpkg-reconfiguring on VC2. I had similar problems on a smaller scale when i manipuladed keysyms with xmodmap and assigned meanings to them at the level of the window manager. There are translations and caches, which after you change the keyboard environment do not yield the same result or yield outdated results, repectively. Alt-Left and Alt-Right (which I use in iceweasel as GoBack and GoForward) now rotate the display through the VCs, including X. I could have used such keys when my intermediate Jessie VM came up with a Gnome desktop that offers no kind of shell window. (Meanwhile it's a Sid with no graphics display and only SSH access.) But worse, the keyboard has gone american: Everybody should have a QWERTY and only use 7-bit ASCII. This would promote international understanding, world peace, and C programming. The output from dumpkeys -f is very different in the two keycode 1 = Escape Escape VoidSymbol VoidSymbol VoidSymbol Meta_Escape keycode 1 = Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape You must have deeply confused it. Where did you get the syntax proposal of ctrlr keycode 106 = 'Hello' udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change No. I reboot, Ouch uptime. Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: Antivirus for Debian
Could anyone here, honest, as we all are I know, guarantee at 100% that the OP won't ever have any virus issue on his Debian system ? [...] Should he fear viruses as much as on a Windows system ? Wrong questions. The question is whether an anti-virus scanner will provide extra protection on a Debian system. If you update your Debian system as often (or more) than your virus scanner, than the virus scanner is definitely useless since it should only be able to catch viruses which use vulnerabilities which the system has already fixed. Stefan
Problemas com UEFI
Olá, Estou tentando instalar o Debian num notebook Lenovo com UEFI porém sem sucesso. O problema é que não inicia pelo pendrive bootável. Já removi o windows e todas partições, Já desabilitei o security boot (não tem opção de legacy mode). Já tentei diferentes imagens do Debian, diferentes pendrives, já tentei criar o pendrive bootável com o comando dd, com Yumi, Unetbootin e Rufus. E o mesmo pendrive que esse notebook não inicia, funciona normal em outras máquinas. A única coisa que consegui fazer iniciar é o Linux Mint Debian Edition. Mas o Debian, nada. Não sei mais o que tentar, alguém já passou por isso ou tem ideia de como resolver? -- .''`. : :' : `. `'` `-
Re: Compiler une version supérieur de cups (sur jessie)
Le vendredi 21 août 2015, 17:08:01 greg...@bulot-fr.com a écrit : Bonjour, ’soir, […] Bref si vous avez une procédure pour les nuls, je prends :-) Il y a peut-être plus simple maintenant mais je fais ça (qui est somme toute assez simple, non ?) : 0. mettre les bons deb-src dans sources.lists[.d/toto] 1. apt-get update 2. apt-get source toto 3. cd toto* 4. debuild -us -uc -i -I -B 5. si ça coince, régler les problèmes et repartir au 5. En fait, vu que je suis principalement en Sid depuis pfiou- même-plus-que-ça, quand je recompile un paquet, c’est pour le modifier, donc il y deux autres étapes : 3⅓. modifications 3⅔. export DEBMAIL=moi@ici; debchange --nmu mais ça ne change pas grand-chose au flux. Bon, après, il y a plus « propre » (ou « compliqué », au choix ;o)) en utilisant pbuilder ou ce genre de trucs… -- Sylvain Sauvage
Re: Compiler une version supérieur de cups (sur jessie)
Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian : Le vendredi 21 août 2015 à 16:40, Sylvain L. Sauvage sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr a écrit : Il y a peut-être plus simple maintenant mais je fais ça (qui est somme toute assez simple, non ?) : 0. mettre les bons deb-src dans sources.lists[.d/toto] 1. apt-get update 2. apt-get source toto 3. cd toto* 4. debuild -us -uc -i -I -B 5. si ça coince, régler les problèmes et repartir au 5. Euh, je présume que tu veux dire ...et repartir au 4., non ? O_o Sinon tu fais du surplace... Bon week-end quand même. ;-) Cordialement et à bientôt, Stéphane.
Grub destroyed, need help!!!
Dear list, I am rather despaired as I cannot boot into my debian system again. What happened? On my first harddrive I have debian/testing with /usr and /var encrypted. Then I installed kali-linux on my second harddrive into one partition. During this installation my kali-installation overwrote my existing grub2 configurations of the first harddrive and this let me no more boot into the debian system. I checked and I found out, after the decrypt of /usr the system hangs at the message /scripts/local-premount. IMO the kernel or whatever does not find the correct partitions, so that they can be opened and mounted. If I start kali-linux, it is starting, but neither grub-install nor update- grub let detect the debian system. However, the debian installation is seen, but it will not boot due to the wrong paths. I am now working for hours on it, but find no way to get rid of the wrong entries. From the kali system I could edit the debian partitions, if needed. The debian partitions were not changed, except maybe thos with grub2 involved. I would be happy if someone could help me. Of course I tried rescue mode with the debian installation disks, unfortunately it is not possible to open the encrypted partitions due to missing necessary options or files in the rescue system. Thank you very much for any help, I am rather despaired what I can still do. Best regards Hans
Re: Antivirus for Debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/08/15 12:55, Frédéric Marchal wrote: On Friday 21 August 2015 11:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote: Could anyone here, honest, as we all are I know, guarantee at 100% that the OP won't ever have any virus issue on his Debian system ? No. Should he fear viruses as much as on a Windows system ? Certainly not. (unless files are shared with a windows machine that has mounts / access to the linux machine), in which case be very afraid :) also i've seen corporate av fail to identify where clamd has picked up the virus. Security relies first on common sense. Is it common sense to rely on the hackers laziness to attack Linux because it would maybe eventually be unattractive ? Certainly not. Does run a AV from time to time on his computer will harm the OP or his machine ? Unless he does it manually with a hammer and a saw.. I don't think so. So should you (the OP) run an AV ? Well.. I guess. IMVHO ;) My understanding of ClamAV is that it is not suitable to scan an infected Linux computer from the computer itself. the idea is to scan files prior to their execution. ClamAV is suitable to scan Windows partitions from a Linux boot cd or to scan mails relayed by a Linux server or scan Windows files hosted on a Samba/ftp/http server but that's about it. It doesn't work like Windows AV. it can be configured to quarantine / delete files it does not like (I wouldn't recommend deletion unless it's a mail server) As far as I know there are no software for Linux that work like AV on Windows where the virus killer is also responsible for preventing a nasty application from starting in the first place (please provide links if I'm wrong). it has the ability to delete the application / file(s), so yes it can act as a full av, the only part that is missing from the built in functionality is that there is no live av (scans are manual, however live scan can be achieved with inotify + clamd) To protect the integrity of a Linux system, Tripwire, AppArmor or SElinux can be used but they don't protect files in $HOME (if the user is allowed to edit his/her own files, a rogue app running as that user can do it too). If the system is infected, rkcheck or rootkit hunter are the tools to use but then it is already too late for the damaged files. On the good side, an active runtime protection (like Windows does) is not really necessary on Linux as we all install softwares from the official repository or compile them from trusted source code (we all do that, do we :-) ). It is much less common to install games or warez downloaded from the internet. The main threat left comes from web scripts such as javascript, flash or java applets running on visited web sites. Installing an addon such a NoScript on Iceweasel may help a lot here. And keeping the browser up to date is mandatory! clamav does also scan javascript, i've seen files it's picked up as malicious in some scans. snip: Aug 17 03:00:03 *HOSTNAME* clamd[9675]: /srv/nfs4/*path*/js/owl.carousel.min.js: PUA.Script.Packed-2 FOUND Frederic the main priority of av in linux is to identify malicious files prior to passing them onto someone with a susceptible machine (who may or may not have mount points to one or more of your secure machines). Kind Regards, Mike -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJV1zv1AAoJEB7eq/g9VwLiCVoH+wXidgpXOZMrWqC+55g4CzCI zmsxy8DZe5x242btmR9NK1X+xaExaw0Z4oz8rG496Jh13whQa+HKOibIWcjIHHjL KoSKheoIjkxSMXDYWBTFwm0yWatKjYPXYATFMf5a7JjFbY5R60a1zFcdoUH2YR2u SA5r+6h0VJhssTebfJviw1qREZAEmaCSj26plsGhduv3KM1ksAeyjJp3zIfXwBd4 RtPdpx2dM2rGEhnwk1I++7xG8jBQqUvg9DAr8ADnMeuclZGwQA/+tOU+ELTXTzb3 4z7WUcCsKX7MHq88C5wI2c9UBAbK17kfAzu7W3lpYd27Jsvx175Pa5rdNkFQMD4= =HsuA -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: CD DVD drive docs
error No medium found before the drive LED stops blinking. Shouldn't this be reported to the kernel devs as a regression? There are kernel devs in reach ? Well there is a kernel dev mailing list. I've wanted to contact them at least twice but my messages always get rejected because I have to use a free mail server (as opposed to one on my own Linux box). I really should sign up for the mailing list, despite the bulk of mail that they send.
Compiler une version supérieur de cups (sur jessie)
Bonjour, Pour des fonctionnalité disponible à partir de CUPS 2.x j'ai essayé de compiler depuis le site cups une version 2.0.4. La compilation se passe bien. 1er point, plus possible de faire du https sur le port 631 (cups multiplexe du ipp, http et https sur le même port) Ensuite après avoir créé l'imprimante la page de test ne fonctionne pas, l'ihm affiche Unsupported format application/vnd.cups-banner. Du coups, pour contourner, je me dit que je devrais pouvoir récupérer les deb-src de la testing et recompiler sur ma stable... sauf que mes lecture sur le nain ternet me laisse perplexe, je ne sais pas quelle procédure utiliser (depuis comment récupérer les sources de la testing via utiliser les bonnes directives, puis générer un paquet pour ma stable) Bref si vous avez une procédure pour les nuls, je prends :-) Merci
Re: Problemas com UEFI
Boa tarde . O Sr. tentou usar um DVD externo USB ? Tenho sempre um destes na minha maleta justamente p/estes casos ... Fábio Rabelo Em 21 de agosto de 2015 13:36, debi...@inbox.lv debi...@inbox.lv escreveu: Olá, Estou tentando instalar o Debian num notebook Lenovo com UEFI porém sem sucesso. O problema é que não inicia pelo pendrive bootável. Já removi o windows e todas partições, Já desabilitei o security boot (não tem opção de legacy mode). Já tentei diferentes imagens do Debian, diferentes pendrives, já tentei criar o pendrive bootável com o comando dd, com Yumi, Unetbootin e Rufus. E o mesmo pendrive que esse notebook não inicia, funciona normal em outras máquinas. A única coisa que consegui fazer iniciar é o Linux Mint Debian Edition. Mas o Debian, nada. Não sei mais o que tentar, alguém já passou por isso ou tem ideia de como resolver? -- .''`. : :' : `. `'` `-
Re: Grub destroyed, need help!!!
On Fri 21 Aug 2015 at 18:21:47 +0200, Hans wrote: Dear list, I am rather despaired as I cannot boot into my debian system again. What happened? On my first harddrive I have debian/testing with /usr and /var encrypted. Then I installed kali-linux on my second harddrive into one partition. During this installation my kali-installation overwrote my existing grub2 configurations of the first harddrive and this let me no more boot into the debian system. I checked and I found out, after the decrypt of /usr the system hangs at the message /scripts/local-premount. IMO the kernel or whatever does not find the correct partitions, so that they can be opened and mounted. I know nothing about encrypted partitions and how you have them set up. If I start kali-linux, it is starting, but neither grub-install nor update- grub let detect the debian system. However, the debian installation is seen, but it will not boot due to the wrong paths. I am now working for hours on it, but find no way to get rid of the wrong entries. From the kali system I could edit the debian partitions, if needed. The debian partitions were not changed, except maybe thos with grub2 involved. I would be happy if someone could help me. Of course I tried rescue mode with the debian installation disks, unfortunately it is not possible to open the encrypted partitions due to missing necessary options or files in the rescue system. Thank you very much for any help, I am rather despaired what I can still do. When the kali GRUB menu comes up press c. ls gives you which partitions GRUB has found. ls -l will give you more information on each partition. Suppose you find out or know Debian is on (hd0,msdos1). then: set root=(hd0,msdos1) linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 initrd /initrd.img boot All commands and file names auto-complete. (Press TAB).
Re: nonfree wifi.
Hej Erik! Komplettering av mitt tidigare svar: med hjälp av informationen i -- lspci -nn | grep Network controller hittade jag min nätverkskontroller: 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] [8086:0085] (rev 34) sen installerade jag -- apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi (https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi) sen körde jag -- modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi jag installerade även wifi-radar men det behövs inte mvh Thomas Dahlén ps. den vid installationen saknade drivrutin hittade jag här -- https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek On 2015-08-21 18:35, e...@erikkylin.net wrote: 21 aug 2015 kl. 18:17 skrev Michael Kjörling mich...@kjorling.se mailto:mich...@kjorling.se: On 21 Aug 2015 17:56 +0200, from e...@erikkylin.net mailto:e...@erikkylin.net: Är det någon som hinner titta på på det här? Jag håller på att installera debian på en Lenovo från 2008. Om jag fattar allt rätt så har den det här wifi kortet 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) och jag följer det här instruktionen men det funkar inte. https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy Vad har jag missat? Vad är det som inte fungerar? Vet i fan, jag har bara varit med om att det funkar, känns som om jag håller på att installera fel programvara eller något sådant. Laddas modul och firmware? (Kolla dmesg.) kan det här hjälpa, var så mycket data när jag körde dmesg. [ 2738.774916] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-3945-rs' [ 2738.780349] iwl4965: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi 4965 driver for Linux, in-tree: [ 2738.780353] iwl4965: Copyright(c) 2003-2011 Intel Corporation Syns kortet i iwconfig”? iwconfig wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm Retry short limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. Får du något när du kör iwlist scan”? root@debian://etc/apt# iwlist scan wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down lo Interface doesn't support scanning. eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning. -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se mailto:mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup)
Re: btrfs
Guillaume Caron a écrit : Le 19/08/2015 00:33, Gilles Mocellin a écrit : Et en effet, pour l'instant, BTRFS fragmente très vite, sauf si on désactive le COW, du coup, pourquoi utiliser BTRFS... Au hasard : la compression, les checksums, le RAID, les snapshots, les sous-volumes, la réduction à froid A chaud (monté), tu veux dire.
Problema con Juniper SRX240
Estimada lista, alguien tiene idea de Junos? Resulta ser que tengo un serio problema, actualize un SRX240 a la ultima version, y luego de eso me tira errores por todos lados, entonces estaba intentando entrar al U-Boot setear las variables de ipaddr y demas y reinstalar Junos via TFTP, pero aparentemente no me levanta la octeth0, no se porque, pero dice link ok 1000M full duplex, pero hago ping y me tira is not alive a cualquier lado! Del loader me fijo hago un lsdev y me tira 2 devices, el disco0 y net0, si listo las variables, veo que en octact aparece ethact=octeth0. Algun crack de Juniper que me de una mano, que necesito reinstalar todo el S.O. de este fierrito que me esta volviendo loco!
Re: Request virtualbox setup advice
On 08/21/2015 09:00 AM, Eike Lantzsch wrote: On Friday 21 August 2015 10:33:23 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 20 August 2015 20:56:39 Whit Hansell wrote: Please advise. I would love to have a good working version of Windows on my Linux box for the few times it is needed. I personally would avoid all risk of conflict and purge VB with your package manager of choice before installing the upstream version. In my experience one needs (I needed) the upstream guest additions. Lisi Hi: I couldn't test VBox5.0 on Jessie - that might work but if you already upgraded Jessie to Testing than you run into problems with libvpx1. It has no install candidate in Testing because libvpx2 is part of Testing. The best bet might be to stay with Jessie as host system and install Testing in a virtual machine to keep track of the gcc5 transition. Well - all depends on what you are up to ... Cheers Eike Hi Eike, Thanks for repllying. am not using testing at all. When my old HD died, I bought a 1 Tb dirive and installed Jessie stable from scratch using netinstall. Checked virtualbox site and it recommends for Jessie virtualbox 5.0.2 which is the latest, I guess, stable version of Virtualbox as it is also recommended for Wheezy too. Not planning on going to testing w. these newer often changing Linux systems. I had used testing in the pas thru squeeze. But when Wheezy came out I started using stable because of the major changes being made to the kernel and system. Thanks for replying and the help. Appreciate it a bunch. Regards, whit
Re: update-grub : fichier souvent pas adapté
On Friday 21 August 2015 22:23:11 Pascal Hambourg wrote: andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : # update-grub ne créé pas un fichier adapté à la configuration des partitions du ou des disques durs. Exemple, sur une partition de sauvegarde, sda7, clone de sda5=Wheezy, il s'escrime à chaque fois à mettre deux UIDD différents : UUID, pas UIDD. errare humanus est... = set=root UUID de sda7 = OK root=UUID=UIDD de sda5 quiet splash vga=0x318 = PAS OK ! = La variable root de GRUB et l'option root des paramètres du noyau n'ont pas du tout la même signification, il n'est pas anormal que leurs valeurs diffèrent. La première indique à GRUB dans quel volume il doit chercher les fichiers d'amorçage (image du noyau, initrd...) ; la seconde indique au noyau (ou plutôt à l'initramfs de nos jours) le volume à monter comme racine. sda7 est un clone de sda5, mais adapté pour être bootable (/etc/fstab), en cas de crash de sda5. Quid de /boot/grub/grub.cfg sur sda7 ? update-grub s'en sert pour créer les entrées de démarrage des autres systèmes Linux qu'il trouve. update-grub n'a pas à mettre une entrée UUID différente, dans set=root ... et root=UUID= Pour moi, c'est un bug de Grub. set=root UUID de sda7 root=UUID=UIDD de sda7 (et pas sda5) André
Re: CD DVD drive docs
Hi, David Niklas wrote: Well there is a kernel dev mailing list. You mean Linux Kernel Mailing List ? That's a nice place to get your head bitten off. At least if you have not done all reasonable research about your problem and invested some ingeniosity. Beware. Just thinking about posting to LKML can have severe conesquences: In december 2005 i prepared a petition, to ask for CD TAO burning in the kernel after yet another flame war between cdrecord's author and the kernel eminencies. The research yielded that there was a half-dead library project called libburn. In august 2006 i found myself as main developer of a fork. Not actually a fork, because the old branch did not move on. I never finished that petition. For the multi-SG_IO problem one would have to find out where the change to the worse was applied, by whom and for what reason. From a short expedition into the antique ex-Linux SCSI and IDE drivers of Hurd, i know that it's all queue driven. A nightmare to follow in the code. today's code is probably much more advanced and artful. Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: btrfs
Le 21/08/2015 20:34, Erwan David a écrit : Le 21/08/2015 20:34, Guillaume Caron a écrit : Le 19/08/2015 00:33, Gilles Mocellin a écrit : Et en effet, pour l'instant, BTRFS fragmente très vite, sauf si on désactive le COW, du coup, pourquoi utiliser BTRFS... Au hasard : la compression, les checksums, le RAID, les snapshots, les sous-volumes, la réduction à froid, et plus tard la déduplication quand les outils seront intégrés dans debian, etc Y'a de quoi faire :-) Gère-t-il le chiffrement du FS ? Non en effet, ce n'est pas pris en charge et si ce n'est pas impossible personne ne s'est encore penché là-desus (cf https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Does_btrfs_support_encryption.3F ) Après il existe déjà bien d'autres possibilités dans les couches au dessus (encfs ou ecryptfs) ou en dessous (cryptsetup ou TrueCrypt), ceci explique cela. Perso j'utilise ecryptfs, grâce au travail d'Ubuntu c'est très facile. (je me suis permis de reposter sur la liste, tu as dû faire une fausse manip en me répondant directement ;-) ) -- Guillaume signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Problemas com UEFI
Eu acredito que ainda está em modo UEFI, pois se não, daria boot numa boa. *Rodrigo Germano de Paula* Técnico em Tecnologia da Informação IFB Campus Planaltina Contato: (61) 21962601 Em 21 de agosto de 2015 13:36, debi...@inbox.lv debi...@inbox.lv escreveu: Olá, Estou tentando instalar o Debian num notebook Lenovo com UEFI porém sem sucesso. O problema é que não inicia pelo pendrive bootável. Já removi o windows e todas partições, Já desabilitei o security boot (não tem opção de legacy mode). Já tentei diferentes imagens do Debian, diferentes pendrives, já tentei criar o pendrive bootável com o comando dd, com Yumi, Unetbootin e Rufus. E o mesmo pendrive que esse notebook não inicia, funciona normal em outras máquinas. A única coisa que consegui fazer iniciar é o Linux Mint Debian Edition. Mas o Debian, nada. Não sei mais o que tentar, alguém já passou por isso ou tem ideia de como resolver? -- .''`. : :' : `. `'` `-
llista de correu per a la comunitat de Debian de parla catalana
Hola, De nou estem gaudint de la Debconf i avui ens hem trobat alguns membres de parla catalana. Hem estat parlant una estona de l'estat de la comunitat de Debian de parla catalana i hem pensat que potser estaria bé tenir una llista específica per a la comunitat i així animar-nos a fer més coses (trobades, xerrades, etc). Fins ara les xerrades, festes i trobades que hem fet les hem preparat des d'aquesta llista (debian-user-catalan) tot i que no és el tema de la llista (suport a l'usuari). Tot i això, creieu que valdria la pena crear-ne una d'específica o amb aquesta n'hi ha prou ja que tampoc tenim molt tràfic? Debian ofereix llistes per a les comunitats: debian-dug-* (gràcies Guillem per comentar-m'ho!). Doneu la vostra opinió si us plau! Salut des de Heidelberg!
Re: llista de correu per a la comunitat de Debian de parla catalana
Per mi no cal una llista nova, però tampoc m'oposaré a crear-la. Salut i molts records! Alex
Re: update-grub : fichier souvent pas adapté
andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : # update-grub ne créé pas un fichier adapté à la configuration des partitions du ou des disques durs. Exemple, sur une partition de sauvegarde, sda7, clone de sda5=Wheezy, il s'escrime à chaque fois à mettre deux UIDD différents : UUID, pas UIDD. = set=root UIDD de sda7 = OK root=UUID=UIDD de sda5 quiet splash vga=0x318 = PAS OK ! = La variable root de GRUB et l'option root des paramètres du noyau n'ont pas du tout la même signification, il n'est pas anormal que leurs valeurs diffèrent. La première indique à GRUB dans quel volume il doit chercher les fichiers d'amorçage (image du noyau, initrd...) ; la seconde indique au noyau (ou plutôt à l'initramfs de nos jours) le volume à monter comme racine. sda7 est un clone de sda5, mais adapté pour être bootable (/etc/fstab), en cas de crash de sda5. Quid de /boot/grub/grub.cfg sur sda7 ? update-grub s'en sert pour créer les entrées de démarrage des autres systèmes Linux qu'il trouve.
Re: [OT] Re: Problema con Juniper SRX240
Perdon, me olvido de poner modo sin formato en gmail! Si, estuve preguntando, de todas maneras ya use el reset y vole la configuracion, pero el problema esta a nivel S.O., tira miles de errores, estoy queriendo reinstalarlo pero no tengo suerte! :/ El día 21 de agosto de 2015, 17:43, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:26:15 -0300, OddieX escribió: (ese html... ah, y te lo marco como OT) Estimada lista, alguien tiene idea de Junos? Pues no, pero para está Google :-) Resulta ser que tengo un serio problema, actualize un SRX240 a la ultima version, y luego de eso me tira errores por todos lados, entonces estaba intentando entrar al U-Boot setear las variables de ipaddr y demas y reinstalar Junos via TFTP, pero aparentemente no me levanta la octeth0, no se porque, pero dice link ok 1000M full duplex, pero hago ping y me tira is not alive a cualquier lado! Del loader me fijo hago un lsdev y me tira 2 devices, el disco0 y net0, si listo las variables, veo que en octact aparece ethact=octeth0. Algun crack de Juniper que me de una mano, que necesito reinstalar todo el S.O. de este fierrito que me esta volviendo loco! Ni idea de ese cacharro, ¿has probado a preguntar en su foro? SRX Services Gateway http://forums.juniper.net/t5/SRX-Services-Gateway/bd-p/srx Recuerda que también tienes el botón del pánico (reset) pero hay que pulsarlo sólo en casos extremadamente desesperados porque te restaura todos los valores a los de fábrica y eso en enrutador/pasarela/ cortafuegos es mucho decir. Saludos, -- Camaleón
Re: Starting, installing Redmine
Quoting Chris Bannister (cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz):
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 09:34:23AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 19 August 2015 06:23:07 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
I'm sitting here at Debconf [3], among literally hundreds of Debian
developers, all of them working hard (many of them in their free
time)
I thought all of them did it in their free time.
to give to us this fantastic distribution.
I think I have said before, the only possible words are thank you. It's
fantastic what you all do.
I understand your
frustration (I often swear at my computer too, and do even worse
things), but I think the best way forward is to get involved.
Some of us just aren't enough use for that, sadly. So all we can do is be
grateful. And remember:
You can please all of the people some of the time and
you can please some of the people all of the time; but
you cannot please all of the people all of the time.
And I actually think that you cannot please some of the people ever.
To be fair, there are some Debian.readme which make no sense to an end
user. I've seen some Debian.readme files which talk about about how to
compile the program. Hello? Isn't Debian a binary distribution.
I don't think I can let this stand. Are you confusing README.Debian
files with the README files that may or may not come from upstream?
This machine has 1684 wheezy packages. There are 330 README.Debian
files under /usr/share/doc. 32 contain the string 'compil' (without
case-sensitivity).
Some say they're a COMPILation, many say they have been COMPILed with
certain options, or as modules. Some packages are themselves COMPILers
(eg of lisp, like Steel Bank Common Lisp). But only one mentions
building the package from source: sox. Building various sorts of
plug-ins is often mentioned where appropriate. libgsl0ldbl mentions
building a profiling version if required. (I've discounted the kernel
source, naturally.)
Tools:
find /usr/share/doc -iname readme.debian -print | wc
less +/compil $( find /usr/share/doc -iname readme.debian -exec grep -l -i
'compil' {} \; )
and repeated with 'build' (37 files).
Cheers,
David.
Re: Request virtualbox setup advice
On 08/21/2015 05:33 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 20 August 2015 20:56:39 Whit Hansell wrote: Please advise. I would love to have a good working version of Windows on my Linux box for the few times it is needed. I personally would avoid all risk of conflict and purge VB with your package manager of choice before installing the upstream version. In my experience one needs (I needed) the upstream guest additions. Lisi Thank you for replying, Lisi. I agree w. purging the already installed files. Have done so just this AM. Am in process of setting up sources list entry and keyring, etc now. Thanks for the reply and reminder Whit
Re: btrfs
Le 21/08/2015 20:34, Guillaume Caron a écrit : Le 19/08/2015 00:33, Gilles Mocellin a écrit : Et en effet, pour l'instant, BTRFS fragmente très vite, sauf si on désactive le COW, du coup, pourquoi utiliser BTRFS... Au hasard : la compression, les checksums, le RAID, les snapshots, les sous-volumes, la réduction à froid, et plus tard la déduplication quand les outils seront intégrés dans debian, etc Y'a de quoi faire :-) Y'a de quoi faire mumuse, certes, mais pas de quoi remplacer xfs ou ext4 pour le moment, surtout pour les sauvegardes. -- Maderios
Re: llista de correu per a la comunitat de Debian de parla catalana
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Re: Problemas com UEFI
Existem também algumas ferramentas onde é possivel criar um pen drive bootavel e colocar o s.o. dentro. Assim abre uma interface propria do software e vc seleciona o s.o que deseja e ele starta a imagem. Enviado através do AquaMail para Android http://www.aqua-mail.com A 21 de agosto de 2015 13:43:06 Fábio Rabelo fa...@fabiorabelo.wiki.br escreveu: Boa tarde . O Sr. tentou usar um DVD externo USB ? Tenho sempre um destes na minha maleta justamente p/estes casos ... Fábio Rabelo Em 21 de agosto de 2015 13:36, debi...@inbox.lv debi...@inbox.lv escreveu: Olá, Estou tentando instalar o Debian num notebook Lenovo com UEFI porém sem sucesso. O problema é que não inicia pelo pendrive bootável. Já removi o windows e todas partições, Já desabilitei o security boot (não tem opção de legacy mode). Já tentei diferentes imagens do Debian, diferentes pendrives, já tentei criar o pendrive bootável com o comando dd, com Yumi, Unetbootin e Rufus. E o mesmo pendrive que esse notebook não inicia, funciona normal em outras máquinas. A única coisa que consegui fazer iniciar é o Linux Mint Debian Edition. Mas o Debian, nada. Não sei mais o que tentar, alguém já passou por isso ou tem ideia de como resolver? -- .''`. : :' : `. `'` `-
[OT] Re: Problema con Juniper SRX240
El Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:26:15 -0300, OddieX escribió: (ese html... ah, y te lo marco como OT) Estimada lista, alguien tiene idea de Junos? Pues no, pero para está Google :-) Resulta ser que tengo un serio problema, actualize un SRX240 a la ultima version, y luego de eso me tira errores por todos lados, entonces estaba intentando entrar al U-Boot setear las variables de ipaddr y demas y reinstalar Junos via TFTP, pero aparentemente no me levanta la octeth0, no se porque, pero dice link ok 1000M full duplex, pero hago ping y me tira is not alive a cualquier lado! Del loader me fijo hago un lsdev y me tira 2 devices, el disco0 y net0, si listo las variables, veo que en octact aparece ethact=octeth0. Algun crack de Juniper que me de una mano, que necesito reinstalar todo el S.O. de este fierrito que me esta volviendo loco! Ni idea de ese cacharro, ¿has probado a preguntar en su foro? SRX Services Gateway http://forums.juniper.net/t5/SRX-Services-Gateway/bd-p/srx Recuerda que también tienes el botón del pánico (reset) pero hay que pulsarlo sólo en casos extremadamente desesperados porque te restaura todos los valores a los de fábrica y eso en enrutador/pasarela/ cortafuegos es mucho decir. Saludos, -- Camaleón
Re: [testing] paquets non authentifiés
Le 19/08/2015 13:36, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Bonjour, Depuis quelques jours je constate que les paquets ne sont plus authentifiés. Comment cela se fait-il ? PS: je suis sur le miroir ftp2.fr.debian.org Gaëtan Hello, Perso j'utilise http://http.debian.net/, c'est un redirecteur pour choisir le mirroir le plus proche au niveaux géographique et réseau. Jamais eu aucun souci de ce type. -- Guillaume signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Problemas com UEFI
Testei agora com o 1º cd Debian e funcionou normalmente (através do dd). Porém as imagens live (já com interface gráfica), nada... On 21-08-2015 13:36, debi...@inbox.lv wrote: Olá, Estou tentando instalar o Debian num notebook Lenovo com UEFI porém sem sucesso. O problema é que não inicia pelo pendrive bootável. Já removi o windows e todas partições, Já desabilitei o security boot (não tem opção de legacy mode). Já tentei diferentes imagens do Debian, diferentes pendrives, já tentei criar o pendrive bootável com o comando dd, com Yumi, Unetbootin e Rufus. E o mesmo pendrive que esse notebook não inicia, funciona normal em outras máquinas. A única coisa que consegui fazer iniciar é o Linux Mint Debian Edition. Mas o Debian, nada. Não sei mais o que tentar, alguém já passou por isso ou tem ideia de como resolver? -- .''`. : :' : `. `'` `-
Re: CD DVD drive docs
On Friday 21 August 2015 17:39:59 David Niklas wrote: error No medium found before the drive LED stops blinking. Shouldn't this be reported to the kernel devs as a regression? There are kernel devs in reach ? Well there is a kernel dev mailing list. I've wanted to contact them at least twice but my messages always get rejected because I have to use a free mail server (as opposed to one on my own Linux box). I really should sign up for the mailing list, despite the bulk of mail that they send. You could always sign up for the digest and then delete it most of the time. ;-) Lisi
Re: nonfree wifi.
Hej Erik! Jag har upplevt samma problem med mina två Lenovo-datorer och hade nästan gett upp ända tills jag i förra veckan installerade Debian 8.1 och hittade/installerade nätverksdrivrutinen som installationsprogrammet först saknade. Nu kör jag wifi både på min E135 och X220. Vilken version av Debian kör du? Mvh Thomas Dahlén On 2015-08-21 18:35, e...@erikkylin.net wrote: 21 aug 2015 kl. 18:17 skrev Michael Kjörling mich...@kjorling.se mailto:mich...@kjorling.se: On 21 Aug 2015 17:56 +0200, from e...@erikkylin.net mailto:e...@erikkylin.net: Är det någon som hinner titta på på det här? Jag håller på att installera debian på en Lenovo från 2008. Om jag fattar allt rätt så har den det här wifi kortet 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) och jag följer det här instruktionen men det funkar inte. https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy Vad har jag missat? Vad är det som inte fungerar? Vet i fan, jag har bara varit med om att det funkar, känns som om jag håller på att installera fel programvara eller något sådant. Laddas modul och firmware? (Kolla dmesg.) kan det här hjälpa, var så mycket data när jag körde dmesg. [ 2738.774916] ieee80211 phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-3945-rs' [ 2738.780349] iwl4965: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi 4965 driver for Linux, in-tree: [ 2738.780353] iwl4965: Copyright(c) 2003-2011 Intel Corporation Syns kortet i iwconfig”? iwconfig wlan0 IEEE 802.11abg ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm Retry short limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Encryption key:off Power Management:off lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. Får du något när du kör iwlist scan”? root@debian://etc/apt# iwlist scan wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down lo Interface doesn't support scanning. eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning. -- Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • mich...@kjorling.se mailto:mich...@kjorling.se OpenPGP B501AC6429EF4514 https://michael.kjorling.se/public-keys/pgp “People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don’t.” (Bjarne Stroustrup)
Re: btrfs
Le 19/08/2015 00:33, Gilles Mocellin a écrit : Et en effet, pour l'instant, BTRFS fragmente très vite, sauf si on désactive le COW, du coup, pourquoi utiliser BTRFS... Au hasard : la compression, les checksums, le RAID, les snapshots, les sous-volumes, la réduction à froid, et plus tard la déduplication quand les outils seront intégrés dans debian, etc Y'a de quoi faire :-) -- Guillaume signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Compiler une version supérieur de cups (sur jessie)
Le vendredi 21 août 2015, 16:46:15 Stéphane GARGOLY a écrit : […] 5. si ça coince, régler les problèmes et repartir au 5. Euh, je présume que tu veux dire ...et repartir au 4., non ? O_o Ouais, il y a trois sortes de gens : ceux qui savent compter et ceux qui savent pas… -- Sylvain Sauvage
Re: [testing] paquets non authentifiés
Le vendredi 21 août 2015, 20:26:31 Guillaume Caron a écrit : […] Perso j'utilise http://http.debian.net/, c'est un redirecteur pour choisir le mirroir le plus proche au niveaux géographique et réseau. Jamais eu aucun souci de ce type. La version officielle est http://httpredir.debian.org maintenant. -- Sylvain Sauvage
Re: Starting, installing Redmine
On 08/21/2015 12:29 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: what do the log files say? Best is if you look at them (1) just after having restarted Apache. The error log should contain possible warnings about misconfiguration, etc. (2) after having tried an access. The access log should at least show the attempt, perhaps the error log has more info. There's a way to crank up the log verbosity, if necessary. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_web_hosting_service#Name-based_virtual_hosts Since last missive, localhost/redmine produces an error page Web application could not be started Then Phusion Passenger listed about 10 pages on just about everything in the system. The first line seems significant. ie (unknown): did not find expected key while parsing a block mapping at line 1 column 1 (Psych::SyntaxError) The rest seems to be a repeat of the apache2 error log. The error log is listed below. I've highlighted in red and a the significant portions. [ 2015-08-21 09:44:56.9036 862/7f3e77342740 agents/HelperAgent/Main.cpp:650 ]: PassengerHe lperAgent online, listening at unix:/tmp/passenger.1.0.855/generation-0/request [ 2015-08-21 09:44:56.9109 869/7f0a4350d780 agents/LoggingAgent/Main.cpp:321 ]: PassengerL oggingAgent online, listening at unix:/tmp/passenger.1.0.855/generation-0/logging [ 2015-08-21 09:44:56.9110 859/7f547f176740 agents/Watchdog/Main.cpp:728 ]: All Phusion Pa ssenger agents started! [Fri Aug 21 09:44:56.964658 2015] [wsgi:warn] [pid 855:tid 140337965688704] mod_wsgi: Comp iled for Python/2.7.8. [Fri Aug 21 09:44:56.964745 2015] [wsgi:warn] [pid 855:tid 140337965688704] mod_wsgi: Runt ime using Python/2.7.9. [Fri Aug 21 09:44:56.965283 2015] [mpm_worker:notice] [pid 855:tid 140337965688704] AH00292: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) Phusion_Passenger/4.0.53 mod_wsgi/4.3.0 Python/2.7.9 configured -- resuming normal operations [Fri Aug 21 09:44:56.965301 2015] [core:notice] [pid 855:tid 140337965688704] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' App 4493 stdout: App 4493 stderr: env: /usr/bin/passenger-config: No such file or directory App 4493 stdout: [ 2015-08-21 10:04:20.7347 862/7f3e7725c700 Pool2/Implementation.cpp:287 ]: Could not spawn process for application /usr/share/redmine: An error occured while starting up the preloader. Error ID: 469d837f Error details saved to: /tmp/passenger-error-m73dnZ.html Message from application: (unknown): did not find expected key while parsing a block mapping at line 1 column 1 (Psych::SyntaxError) /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/psych.rb:370:in `parse' /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/psych.rb:370:in `parse_stream' /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/psych.rb:318:in `parse' /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/psych.rb:245:in `load' /usr/share/redmine/Gemfile:54:in `eval_gemfile' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/bundler/dsl.rb:32:in `instance_eval' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/bundler/dsl.rb:32:in `eval_gemfile' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/bundler/dsl.rb:10:in `evaluate' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/bundler/definition.rb:25:in `build' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/bundler.rb:154:in `definition' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/bundler.rb:117:in `setup' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/bundler/setup.rb:17:in `top (required)' /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require' /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/phusion_passenger/loader_shared_helpers.rb:263:in `block in run_load_path_setup_code' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/phusion_passenger/loader_shared_helpers.rb:366:in `running_bundler' /usr/lib/ruby/vendor_ruby/phusion_passenger/loader_shared_helpers.rb:261:in `run_load_path_setup_code' /usr/share/passenger/helper-scripts/rack-preloader.rb:100:in `preload_app' /usr/share/passenger/helper-scripts/rack-preloader.rb:158:in `module:App' /usr/share/passenger/helper-scripts/rack-preloader.rb:29:in `module:PhusionPassenger' /usr/share/passenger/helper-scripts/rack-preloader.rb:28:in `main' [ 2015-08-21 10:04:20.7400 862/7f3e74d12700 agents/HelperAgent/RequestHandler.h:2306 ]: [Client 20] Cannot checkout session because a spawning error occurred. The identifier of the error is 469d837f. Please see earlier logs for details about the error. I think that the missing /usr/bin/passanger-config file is the root problem. I tried to symlink the file in but it doesn't seem to have worked. I'll keep working. Gary R.
Re: VC keyboard configuration
Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): But worse, the keyboard has gone american: Everybody should have a QWERTY and only use 7-bit ASCII. This would promote international understanding, world peace, and C programming. :) The output from dumpkeys -f is very different in the two keycode 1 = Escape Escape VoidSymbol VoidSymbol VoidSymbol Meta_Escape keycode 1 = Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape Escape You must have deeply confused it. Where did you get the syntax proposal of ctrlr keycode 106 = 'Hello' Yes, that's incorrect. I have discovered that any errors in /etc/console-setup/remap.inc are severely punished with the bizarre behaviour. I can only assume that the perl script ckbcomp does not validate its input, and quite possibly has some mistakes. If the 'errors' are slight, then it does nothing, leaving dumpkeys -f unchanged. So, lines like these work: ctrll keycode 105 = F55 Control keycode 105 = F55 control keycode 105 = F55 but any one of these silently fails: Ctrll keycode 105 = F55 Ctrlr keycode 105 = F55 ctrlr keycode 105 = F55 which is ridiculous. udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change No. I reboot, Ouch uptime. Once I got *something* to change, I found it was unnecessary to reboot all the time. I circulate the F55 numbers each time to ascertain whether anything changes or not. Rebooting gives you a few minutes break (to walk to another computer!) except when I got a recurrence of my binfmt_misc problem: I now have binfmt_misc in /etc/modules to make sure it gets loaded. This is the first time since adding the line that [ Cylon eye ] A start job is running for Enable support for additional executable binary formats (9min 52s / no limit) appeared and, as usual, I could ssh into the box, but ls -lR /proc/sys/fs hangs and even halt -f does nothing (after saying 'Halting.'). I do now remember to umount /home before I hard reset. Cheers, David.
Re: update-grub : fichier souvent pas adapté
andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Friday 21 August 2015 22:23:11 Pascal Hambourg wrote: La variable root de GRUB et l'option root des paramètres du noyau n'ont pas du tout la même signification, il n'est pas anormal que leurs valeurs diffèrent. La première indique à GRUB dans quel volume il doit chercher les fichiers d'amorçage (image du noyau, initrd...) ; la seconde indique au noyau (ou plutôt à l'initramfs de nos jours) le volume à monter comme racine. update-grub n'a pas à mettre une entrée UUID différente, dans set=root ... et root=UUID= Bien sûr que si. Je viens d'expliquer que ce sont deux choses totalement différentes. Typiquement, la première fait référence à la partition de boot (/boot) et la seconde à la partition racine (/) qui peuvent tout-à-fait être séparées. As-tu au moins vérifié dans le fichier /boot/grub/grub.cfg sur sda7 comme je te l'ai demandé ?
Re: [testing] paquets non authentifiés
Le Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:27:08 +0200 maderios mader...@gmail.com a écrit: Le 21/08/2015 13:17, Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit : Je suis repassé sur ftp.fr est tout est rentré dans l'ordre ... Marche plus aujourd'hui. C'est pénible ... C'est un problème sur les serveurs ou local ? Pour le savoir, tu remplaces 'fr' par 'de' ou bien 'us' Ce soir sans rien changer c'est revenu normal... Gaëtan
Re: llista de correu per a la comunitat de Debian de parla catalana
On 08/21/2015 10:13 PM, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote: Tot i això, creieu que valdria la pena crear-ne una d'específica o amb aquesta n'hi ha prou ja que tampoc tenim molt tràfic? Debian ofereix llistes per a les comunitats: debian-dug-* (gràcies Guillem per comentar-m'ho!). Salutacions des de Heidelberg! Jo fa poc temps que he comensat a participar en Debian, i just avui m'he unit a la llista :) Potser es podria considerar, en lloc de crear una llista nova, modificar la definicio d'aquesta per fer-la mes general, i no nomes sobre discussions de problemes d'usuaris. Fins aviat! -- Dhole signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Problemas com UEFI
O meu lenovo veio com um botao na lateral e com o notebook desligado é só apertar o botao que ele liga e abre o menu de boot. O botão é escondido na lateral, dá uma olhada ai... Enviado do Yahoo Mail no Android De:Rodrigo Germano de Paula rodrigo.pa...@ifb.edu.br Data:16:48 sex, 21 de ago de PM Assunto:Re: Problemas com UEFI Eu acredito que ainda está em modo UEFI, pois se não, daria boot numa boa. Rodrigo Germano de Paula Técnico em Tecnologia da Informação IFB Campus Planaltina Contato: (61) 21962601 Em 21 de agosto de 2015 13:36, debi...@inbox.lv debi...@inbox.lv escreveu: Olá, Estou tentando instalar o Debian num notebook Lenovo com UEFI porém sem sucesso. O problema é que não inicia pelo pendrive bootável. Já removi o windows e todas partições, Já desabilitei o security boot (não tem opção de legacy mode). Já tentei diferentes imagens do Debian, diferentes pendrives, já tentei criar o pendrive bootável com o comando dd, com Yumi, Unetbootin e Rufus. E o mesmo pendrive que esse notebook não inicia, funciona normal em outras máquinas. A única coisa que consegui fazer iniciar é o Linux Mint Debian Edition. Mas o Debian, nada. Não sei mais o que tentar, alguém já passou por isso ou tem ideia de como resolver? -- .''`. : :' : `. `'` `-
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Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Friday 21 August 2015 11:28:43 Diogene Laerce wrote: Could anyone here, honest, as we all are I know, guarantee at 100% that the OP won't ever have any virus issue on his Debian system ? No. Should he fear viruses as much as on a Windows system ? Certainly not. Security relies first on common sense. Is it common sense to rely on the hackers laziness to attack Linux because it would maybe eventually be unattractive ? Certainly not. Does run a AV from time to time on his computer will harm the OP or his machine ? Unless he does it manually with a hammer and a saw.. I don't think so. So should you (the OP) run an AV ? Well.. I guess. IMVHO ;) My understanding of ClamAV is that it is not suitable to scan an infected Linux computer from the computer itself. ClamAV is suitable to scan Windows partitions from a Linux boot cd or to scan mails relayed by a Linux server or scan Windows files hosted on a Samba/ftp/http server but that's about it. It doesn't work like Windows AV. As far as I know there are no software for Linux that work like AV on Windows where the virus killer is also responsible for preventing a nasty application from starting in the first place (please provide links if I'm wrong). To protect the integrity of a Linux system, Tripwire, AppArmor or SElinux can be used but they don't protect files in $HOME (if the user is allowed to edit his/her own files, a rogue app running as that user can do it too). If the system is infected, rkcheck or rootkit hunter are the tools to use but then it is already too late for the damaged files. On the good side, an active runtime protection (like Windows does) is not really necessary on Linux as we all install softwares from the official repository or compile them from trusted source code (we all do that, do we :-) ). It is much less common to install games or warez downloaded from the internet. The main threat left comes from web scripts such as javascript, flash or java applets running on visited web sites. Installing an addon such a NoScript on Iceweasel may help a lot here. And keeping the browser up to date is mandatory! Frederic
Problemas com UEFI
No meu Dell funcionou assim. SEGUE A SOLUÇÃO … Configuração da Bios Para o Windows 7: *- UEFI BOOT habilitado* *- LEGACY MODE habilitdo* *- LEGACY MODE desabilitado* *- SECURY BOOT habilitado* *DVD DE INSTALAÇÃO WINDOWS.* 1. Dê boot da mídia de instalação do Windows 7. 2. Depois do boot você verá a tela de instalação do Windows 7. Lá, aperte Shift + F10 para abrir um prompt de comando. 3. No prompt de comando, digite Diskpart, tecle enter. 4. Digite *List Disk*, tecle Enter. 5. Digite *Select Disk #* (onde *#* é o número do drive que aparecer no prompt), tecle Enter. 6. Digite *Clean*, tecle Enter. 7. Digite *Convert MBR*, tecle Enter. 8. Digite *Exit* e depois Enter. 9. Feche a janela do prompt de comando. 10. Clique em próximo ou next. 11. Clique em Instalar agora ou Install Now. 12. Daí siga as instruções na tela até chegar na área de trabalho. So limpou UEFI da MBR desta forma. Espero ter zjudado. SILVERIO Em sexta-feira, 21 de agosto de 2015, Ricardo César ricardo_...@yahoo.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ricardo_...@yahoo.com'); escreveu: O meu lenovo veio com um botao na lateral e com o notebook desligado é só apertar o botao que ele liga e abre o menu de boot. O botão é escondido na lateral, dá uma olhada ai... Enviado do Yahoo Mail no Android https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- *De*:Rodrigo Germano de Paula rodrigo.pa...@ifb.edu.br *Data*:16:48 sex, 21 de ago de PM *Assunto*:Re: Problemas com UEFI Eu acredito que ainda está em modo UEFI, pois se não, daria boot numa boa. *Rodrigo Germano de Paula* Técnico em Tecnologia da Informação IFB Campus Planaltina Contato: (61) 21962601 Em 21 de agosto de 2015 13:36, debi...@inbox.lv debi...@inbox.lv escreveu: Olá, Estou tentando instalar o Debian num notebook Lenovo com UEFI porém sem sucesso. O problema é que não inicia pelo pendrive bootável. Já removi o windows e todas partições, Já desabilitei o security boot (não tem opção de legacy mode). Já tentei diferentes imagens do Debian, diferentes pendrives, já tentei criar o pendrive bootável com o comando dd, com Yumi, Unetbootin e Rufus. E o mesmo pendrive que esse notebook não inicia, funciona normal em outras máquinas. A única coisa que consegui fazer iniciar é o Linux Mint Debian Edition. Mas o Debian, nada. Não sei mais o que tentar, alguém já passou por isso ou tem ideia de como resolver? -- .''`. : :' : `. `'` `- -- SILVÉRIO
Re: llista de correu per a la comunitat de Debian de parla catalana
D'acord: si es vol crear, endavant, però potser no cal. Daniel Elias Usuari de Linux nº 461584 El 21/08/15 a las 22:44, x...@nodo50.org escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El 21/08/15 a les 22:31, Alex Muntada ha escrit: Per mi no cal una llista nova, però tampoc m'oposaré a crear-la. opino el mateix: no ho veig però no bloquejo ;) Salut i molts records! Alex salut! - -- ### http://info.nodo50.org/4137 | error al sistema __ a internet la llibertat no és gratuïta -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV142rAAoJEFDusbMSkZg4sywIAMvu53xlUjo7cwGMtilQZBN2 4lw5nahITTPvG7iu6cMa5Bo/zJVT/JHqlp2GodEbS4qcEXUvtcEI6Fw2oG+GYUCj R3n91Hsd/ixhgyWGScA4aJI+fH+oXWnouKgBWlaOxCs3gvzRkVv58Zaqrpb/vdXp DhpvLnK3KZJPosPzu+gx1KrDOVreWwLDTgbtAoCH+Lywv1habL1h8FC25by3yByd krqtf1WPazDMkokgM2sgPfsSupNUJ46abA8X8FozU+znaMeZMW4EgkZ8iiGLMqSh dAv13yeAy8uTMgfkrlvqE1gDcYXe6NUhZ3k/aF3r33/vnQT6lve4a0TAWOwcdqo= =hfSf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Daniel Elias Usuari de Linux nº 461584
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Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?
On 2015-08-21 08:36:43 -0500, David Wright wrote: Quoting Erwan David (er...@rail.eu.org): 1) You're speaking input, Vincent was speaking output Eh? The OP was speaking input. To summarise, . Q: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ? . A: I touched the key to the left of the space bar at the same time. . Fix: Redefine Alt-Space to type an ordinary space. Since then, the discussion moved on to how NBSP should be *displayed* in various contexts. This happened at the last substantive (UK sense) paragraph of https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00360.html And if you follow the quotes, this subthread is a descendent of this, about output: [...] It's not too bad if only NO-BREAK SPACE had a visible glyph. Something like four dots at the corners of its rectangle. [...] Well, until you re-introduced input... 2) it's the shell which makes a different treatment than cat. Exactly what Vincent said. It is up to the application running in the shell to do what is needed. Which application are you speaking of, specifically in the case under discussion, ie typing characters like NBSP and TAB TAB into the shell. The process that will get the character. It may be the shell or some other process. Details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_group I've said here (and you just snipped it out of the quotation above): 'So my point is, rendering NBSP in a special way *is* needed (because NBSP is not treated as firstclass whitespace and, it appears, never can be).' So your reply It is up to the application running in the shell to do what is needed just begs the question. I've already said what is needed (IMO) and Vincent said (AIUI) that it couldn't be done. No, here's what I said: | In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like | a space. The differentiation is useful mainly in source code | and when editing, thus it must be done by the application via | configuration (actually applications running in the terminal | rather than the terminal itself). What I'm saying is that the *terminal* cannot know the context (at least in a standard way) to determine whether NBSP should be displayed like a space or with a special glyph. I disagreed, and gave a counter-example (shell's treatment of TAB TAB). Your counter-example is something different because it is about input (though this doesn't really matter since the notion of context is the same for both input and output) and because the TAB handling is not done by the terminal, but by two different applications running in the terminal (the shell and cat). As I've said later, both applications receive TAB in input. They behave differently only because they interpret TAB differently, i.e. the differentiation is done by the application (the shell and cat). So all this is about output, viz: cat, xpdf, document displays, printers: NBSP - a space that doesn't lead to a break. The cat utility never breaks lines. It just sends the characters to the output. For PDF and printers (after filtering), the formatting is already done. So, whether you have a NBSP or a normal space in your PDF, this won't change anything. NBSP makes sense, for instance, in HTML. buffer in an editor: NBSP - a visible glyph (in emacs I think I see a cyan underscore character). Magenta in my case (but this may depend on the background). If Emacs runs in a terminal, I get a normal space with a magenta background (the NBSP is not preserved by copy-paste). In Emacs, this feature is configurable. So, if I'm just reading a text document in Emacs and do not care about the NBSP characters, I can choose to disable this feature. See Emacs manual: 14.19 How Text Is Displayed [...] Some non-ASCII characters have the same appearance as an ASCII space or hyphen (minus) character. Such characters can cause problems if they are entered into a buffer without your realization, e.g., by yanking; for instance, source code compilers typically do not treat non-ASCII spaces as whitespace characters. To deal with this problem, Emacs displays such characters specially: it displays ‘U+00A0’ (no-break space) with the ‘nobreak-space’ face, and it displays ‘U+00AD’ (soft hyphen), ‘U+2010’ (hyphen), and ‘U+2011’ (non-breaking hyphen) with the ‘escape-glyph’ face. To disable this, change the variable ‘nobreak-char-display’ to ‘nil’. If you give this variable a non-‘nil’ and non-‘t’ value, Emacs instead displays such characters as a highlighted backslash followed by a space or hyphen. Emacs can also display trailing spaces with a different background. shell reflecting the user's typing: NBSP - a visible glyph indicating that something other than white space is there, eg Thomas's four dots at the corners of its rectangle. It might, for example, be used as or in a filename (unquoted). This needs to be done by the shell. But if you use a different glyph, it will break copy-paste. A NBSP with a different background would be better, IMHO. This
Re: One noob, 3 orphan source packages, 14 .deb, looking for a sponsor
On Thursday 20 August 2015 01:02:32 Thomas Schmitt wrote: If it is not too daring, then i would propose this roadmap for refurbishing the burner corner of Debian: - I learn what kind of signing is meant with http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers All packages must be signed with the GnuPG key gpg --clearsign ... ? gpg -o ...sig -u ... ? dpkg-buildpackage without -us -uc ? and get my proposals dput'ed to mentors.debian.net. Hints and examples are welcome. Either dpkg-buildpackage without -us -uc or debsign applied to the changes file. - You become sponsor for me and my packages. Train me like a space monkey. I am very good with using cheat sheets. You also show me were to learn managing bug reports. I quite often use a burner so I can also sponsor your packages. I hope I won't be the only sponsor as my response time can sometime be very long... That said, you need to decide what to do with pkg-liburnia project on alioth. You can trash it and move your repo to collab-maint or you can go on using it. In the latter case, please, fix the mailing list to avoid spams (either moderate the list or block mail for non-subscribers) Are the persons listed as Maintainers on https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libburn4 https://packages.debian.org/jessie/growisofs the only team members ? tracker.debian.org gives a better idea of who maintain a package. When a package is maintained by a team, Maintainers contains the email address of the team mailing list. Uploaders show the team members that actively participate in maintenance. For instance https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libconfig-model-perl Using a team email in maintainer enable you to have a global overview of the package status. Here's an example for sdl team packages: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-sdl-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org Is there a member list for teams ? Other than https://wiki.debian.org/Teams which does not list them. Team members are listed on alioth in their respective project page. For instance: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-sdl/ Hope this helps -- https://github.com/dod38fr/ -o- http://search.cpan.org/~ddumont/ http://ddumont.wordpress.com/ -o- irc: dod at irc.debian.org
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 19:33:17 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 20:24:16 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote: Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended antivirus for Debian? Thank you in advance. Required no, advised I guess. You guessed wrong. Although I know that proof-of-concept viruses (virii ?) have been created in computer labs, has anyone seen one alive in the wild ? Red Alert comes to mind immediately, and was a major pain in my ass working at Dotster in that company's early (about a decade before EIG bought 'em out and they were still based in Fort Vancouver's Five Corners neighborhood on WA 503) days. Script-kiddie launched rootkits and PHP-based spam scripts tend to be very prevalent and a daily nuisance for my userbase these days, though the former generally depends on weak root passwords or badly behaved daemons running as root and the latter gets limited to a single user account.
Re: Plasma 5 wont starting
On Friday 21 August 2015 14:06:58 അഖിൽ കൃഷ്ണൻ എസ്. wrote: I'm in Debian Sid with KDE5. But after a recent update done 2 weeks before, KDE wont getting started. Check the debian-kde ML archives (https://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/), there are various posts related to these problems. In short: Debian Sid is rather broken atm and will be for some time. Downgrade to testing and things should _mostly_ work. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Antivirus for Debian
Le 20/08/2015 20:33, Brian a écrit : On Thu 20 Aug 2015 at 20:24:16 +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote: Hi, Le 20/08/2015 19:58, Dwijesh Gajadur a écrit : Hello guys. I wanted to know if antivirus is required for Debian or for linux in general. And if it is required, what are the recommended antivirus for Debian? Thank you in advance. Required no, advised I guess. You guessed wrong. Could anyone here, honest, as we all are I know, guarantee at 100% that the OP won't ever have any virus issue on his Debian system ? No. Should he fear viruses as much as on a Windows system ? Certainly not. Security relies first on common sense. Is it common sense to rely on the hackers laziness to attack Linux because it would maybe eventually be unattractive ? Certainly not. Does run a AV from time to time on his computer will harm the OP or his machine ? Unless he does it manually with a hammer and a saw.. I don't think so. So should you (the OP) run an AV ? Well.. I guess. IMVHO ;) Kind regards, -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Request virtualbox setup advice
On Thursday 20 August 2015 20:56:39 Whit Hansell wrote: Please advise. I would love to have a good working version of Windows on my Linux box for the few times it is needed. I personally would avoid all risk of conflict and purge VB with your package manager of choice before installing the upstream version. In my experience one needs (I needed) the upstream guest additions. Lisi
Re: systemd vs sysvinit: init script arguments
Hi Stuart, Am 20.08.2015 um 23:48 schrieb Stuart Longland: I've used the OpenVPN init script as a template for creating my init scripts, which allows me to not only start and stop all drivers, but also start or stop an individual driver. e.g. /etc/init.d/driver-service start foo ... much the same way you can start and stop individual OpenVPN tunnels this way. [..] Is there some way for the init script to tell systemd what subservices are valid or do I have to maintain specialised scripts for systemd? systemd doesn't support arbitratrily defined subcommands/actions. What you can do is to create a service unit per driver/service and start them individually, much like openvpn in Jessie does. Regards, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Fri 21 Aug 2015 at 07:21:48 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:46:40PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] Your point is a good one, as is John Hasler's. But it really doesn't matter how much malware a user has stacked up in their $HOME as long as the system is safe. The safeness of the system doesn't (or shouldn't) depend on the vagaries of popularity. That's the sysadmin point of view. The user, OTOH does care about her files. I don't care as much about the health state of /bin/ls as I do about the health state of my home subdirectory called ~/.banking :-) Of course, a compromised /bin/ls can compromise my ~/.banking and not the other way around, but I think you get what I mean... I do. We are agreed that my files are the most important on the system. :)
Plasma 5 wont starting
I'm in Debian Sid with KDE5. But after a recent update done 2 weeks before, KDE wont getting started. Only the mouse pointer is shown after login. I thinks (not sure) something happened to KWin. Any troubleshooting willbe highly appreciated. Regards, Akhilan Off: Eventhough KDM starts up the Icons Style shown in Login manager is Gnome Style.
Re: systemd vs sysvinit: init script arguments
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 07:48:04AM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: Hi all, I've got a silly question regarding systemd. I'm currently writing a data collection software package which pulls data from various sources and provides a real-time and historical data interface for trending and analysis. Basically the data-gathering guts of a SCADA system. The system is built on the Unix philosophy, so each communications driver and service runs as a separate process, communicating over AMQP. So far so good. I've used the OpenVPN init script as a template for creating my init scripts, which allows me to not only start and stop all drivers, but also start or stop an individual driver. e.g. /etc/init.d/driver-service start foo ... much the same way you can start and stop individual OpenVPN tunnels this way. That works fine on Debian Wheezy, which uses sysvinit. Not so great with Jessie on systemd. It seems the arguments after 'start' get discarded somewhere. My only workaround has been to set _SYSTEMCTL_SKIP_REDIRECT=1 in my environment (a big thank-you to the people on this list who pointed this out to me), which then bypasses systemd and permits the bash script to handle it. Is there some way for the init script to tell systemd what subservices are valid or do I have to maintain specialised scripts for systemd? I've not played with them myself, but I understand that systemd can use template services. If you create a service file called driver-service@.service, then you can use %i as a replaceable parameter in the service definition. So you could, for example tell it to execute MyScript.sh %i (or maybe look at EnvironmentFile=%i.conf or similar). Finally, the idea is that you symlink driver-service@.service to driver-service@foo.service, driver-service@bar.service and so on, and %i is set to foo, bar etc. Regards, -- Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL) I haven't lost my mind... ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere. -- For more information, please reread. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Starting, installing Redmine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 02:22:12PM -0700, Gary Roach wrote: On 08/20/2015 02:01 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 09:53:52AM +0200, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: I would disable the redmine.conf as it can overlap with apache2-passenger-alias.conf And it makes no sense to have 2 configs for the same application. I removed the redmine.conf file. It seemed to be a duplicate of the -alias.conf file OK. You haven't set the ServerName . Please set it and restart apache2 I thought localhost or 127.0.0.1 would be OK since I am running as a stand alone application. If this isn't true then I guess I don't understand the meaning of ServerName. I'm running 4 computers plus several wireless devices behind a verizon router firewall. I use 192.168.1.0/25 for all the devices. I have a dummy domain name of quantum.com but I sort of stuck it in as a place holder when asked for a workgroup or domain. I do have internal dns setup to translate between names and IP addresses. The apache2 server and Redmine are both running on superX at 192.168.1.2 . I tried several different things in server name with no good results. No, localhost should be OK. I understand your puzzlement about that (why, localhost should be equivalent to 127.0.0.1), but HTTP, in its infinite wisdom (yeah, a bit of snark in here) has implemented Virtual Hosts, in which one and the same host can respond to different names. To achieve that, the client and the server quibble about which hostname is the right one for this transaction. For the server to know what to do when talked to depending on that host name, you've got to configure that (phew!) [1]. With respect to Tomas's suggestion about file access, I have www-data included in group root. This may not be good security but I just want the thing to work at this point. I'll worry about security later if need be. Hm. That's an uncommon way to do things. It might work. Anyway... what do the log files say? Best is if you look at them (1) just after having restarted Apache. The error log should contain possible warnings about misconfiguration, etc. (2) after having tried an access. The access log should at least show the attempt, perhaps the error log has more info. There's a way to crank up the log verbosity, if necessary. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_web_hosting_service#Name-based_virtual_hosts regards - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXW00UACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbqCgCeLAFHEfPhOZ2dta73GEOsrL+S TDUAnj/qKnFxeN1Kq3OKnZ/ea08Z856t =08KL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Fri 21 Aug 2015 at 00:59:45 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Le tridi 3 fructidor, an CCXXIII, Brian a écrit : Yes. Without system integrity a user's files are worthless. Protecting the system protects *all* users. That is the responsibility of the administrator. So basically, you are saying that protecting the system is more important than protecting the users' files because protecting the system protects the users' files, and not seeing the contradiction in it. The truth is that the system is only a tool, and only the users' files have specific value. If the system is corrupted, you can wipe it and reinstall it from scratch in a few hours. If the users' files are corrupted, you may lose days, months, years of work depending on how sloppy you were with the backups. And of course, the users' files contain personal information that can allow to drain the bank account, impersonate persons, steal trade secrets, etc. As a user I see a lot of specific value in *my* files and take steps to look after them well. I (again as a user) see no specific value in your files. If you allow them to be corrupted by downloading malware into your space or accidently deleting one or two of them the system, over which I have no control, continues to function as designed and to the benefit of all of its users. Sure, corrupting the system may be a way of accessing the users' files, but the real value is in the users' files. I wish them no harm but the files of other users have no value for me.
Re: metatrader 4
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Ben Case dbnc...@gmail.com wrote: can you get metatrader 4 software in Debian or can you use mt4's from different brokers? You might have to contact your vendor on that one; I see a Linux version but know nothing of the specifics of what it takes.
Re: Antivirus for Debian
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 3:45 PM, John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote: While it would be possible (though very difficult) to write malware for Linux the main reason why we needn't worry about it on the desktop is that there are so few of us using it that it not worth the criminals' time to create it. The juiciest targets aren't desktop users, though, it's servers. And servers most definitely run on Linux.
Re: One noob, 3 orphan source packages, 14 .deb, looking for a sponsor
On Wednesday 19 August 2015 19:38:16 Thomas Schmitt wrote: I see. The man page effect again. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html#copyright You can also use cme update dpkg-copyright to update debian/copyright file. See [1] for more details. [1] https://ddumont.wordpress.com/2015/05/31/improving-update-of-existing-debiancopyright-file/ All the best -- https://github.com/dod38fr/ -o- http://search.cpan.org/~ddumont/ http://ddumont.wordpress.com/ -o- irc: dod at irc.debian.org
