Re: HELP! Re: How to fix I/O errors? (SOLVED)

2017-02-10 Thread Marc Shapiro

On 02/08/2017 05:32 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 02/08/17 15:59, Marc Shapiro wrote:

So how do I lay down a low level format on [the new 1 TB] drive?


I would use the SeaTools bootable CD to fill the drive with zeroes:

On 02/03/17 23:13, David Christensen wrote:
> Sometimes you get lucky and the tool is a live CD:
>
> 
www.seagate.com/files/www-content/support-content/downloads/seatools/_shared/downloads/SeaToolsDOS223ALL.ISO



David

I didn't feel like burning a CD and it has been a long time since I had 
a box with a 3.5" floppy (although i do have one or two drives in a box 
somewhere and quite a few of the folppies, themselves, as well) so I 
just used dd to write zeros to the disk.  It took a while, but it did 
the job.  In the end, I picked yet another method for moving to the new 
disk.  As mentioned  in my first post, I am using LVM and I have unused 
space in the VG. I was debating with myself whether I wanted to continue 
to use LVM, or just use raw disk partitions.  I almost went with raw 
disk partitions before I came across 'pvmove', which does exactly what I 
needed.  So...


I partitioned the new disk with 3 physical partitions of 2GB each for 
root/boot partitions.


The 4th partition was set up for LVM and was set as a Physical Volume 
(PV) to be added to the volume group along with my old drive.


Before adding the new disk, I created a new Logical Volume (LV) and 
manually copied my home partition (one user tree at a time) to the new 
partition.  This spat out errors whenever it hit an unreadable sector 
and I redirected those errors to a file for later use.


I then added the LVM partition from the new disk to the Volume Group 
(VG) and did a 'pvmove' for each LV from the old PVto the new PV.


I included the original LV for /home, along with the newly copied LV.  I 
expected it to spit out errors and fail, but it didn't.  I could hear it 
struggle a bit when it hit the bad spots, but then it kept going.  This 
was actually a good thing.  I had the list of affected files from when I 
did the manual copy of the /home partition, so I knew what to check 
after the move.  Several of the files were videos.  Using the original 
files before copying, Xine would play up to the first I/O Error and then 
freeze, even though it continued to read the file and advance the 
timeline until the file ended.  Using the manually copied file, which 
truncated at the first error, I also only got the beginning of the video 
and then it ended.  Using the file from the original LV which I moved to 
the new disk with pvmove, however, gave better results.  There is a bit 
of flicker when it hits a sector that had been unreadable before moving, 
but it continues on so the rest of the video can be viewed.  A few of 
the other files I did delete (Libre Office document files do not survive 
well, but I have a PDF of that file if I ever need it again).


Then I just had to copy over the root/boot partitions which I did from a 
shell after booting my clonezilla CD (it came in handy after all) and 
run lilo on them to make the new disk bootable. Everything seems good, 
now.  I ran the full test from SeagateTools (st) again, today, just to 
verify that all was still good.  It was.  I now have an empty PV in my 
LVM volume group that I will need to remove before I add any new Logical 
Volumes (LVs), but I can do that any time.  Since there are no LVs on it 
nothing will attempt to read from it, or write to it.


I'll keep an eye on the disk for a while, but this should fix the 
problem.  If I ever have a failing disk again I hope that I will 
remember this method because the LVM pvmove command really did make 
moving to another disk easy.  The hard part was dealing with the 
root/boot partitions and getting the new disk bootable.


Hopefully this thread will help someone else who has a similar problem 
in the future.



Marc




Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Doug



On 02/10/2017 08:11 PM, Michael Lange wrote:

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:32:45 +1100
Keith Bainbridge  wrote:


Have I missed something here?

.pdf files are portable,  right?


How can I as a creator specify that you as the reader MUST use a
specific program to read them?

Maybe by adding a "feature" that is supported by your reader software
exclusively?

Regards

Michael


I hope that you never send me anything, because I guarantee I won't read it!
This sounds like the worst possible advertising scheme!

--doug



Re: Stretch stable and jessie testing - repositories listed

2017-02-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 02/10/2017 05:49 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 10 Feb 2017 at 16:00:13 (-0800), Jimmy Johnson wrote:

On 02/09/2017 04:58 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:



In most cases documents simplify that stretch is testing, so I thought
there was no difference, then something I read recently made me think
once stretch becomes stable I would be bumped up a notch. Elsewhere I
read that once you are up the ladder the only way to backtrack is to
reinstall.


Hello,
Take a look at Synaptic Menu you can select a package and then go to
Package > Force Version, you can only force one package at a time
but, yes you can downgrade. I can down grade a couple hundred
packages without much problem, depends on the user.


Oh, that's heartening! Does Synaptic use a different method
from dpkg? The man page for the latter says (and the warnings
look very pretty in red):

 --force-things, --no-force-things, --refuse-things

  [...]

  Warning: These options are mostly intended to be used by experts
  only. Using them without fully understanding their effects  may
  break your whole system.

  [...]

  downgrade(*):  Install a package, even if newer version of it is
  already installed.

  Warning: At present dpkg does not do any dependency checking  on
  downgrades  and  therefore  will  not  warn you if the downgrade
  breaks the dependency of some other package. This can have seri‐
  ous  side  effects,  downgrading essential system components can
  even make your whole system unusable. Use with care.

Cheers,
David.



Hi David, Synaptic will not let you install a broken package.  If you 
are running sid/testing sometimes a package version will become obsolete 
and need a change or a video driver version is not working and needs a 
change, etc. If you're running in a GUI Synaptic is handy to have 
installed.  And yes, it's using "dpkg".

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - Plasma 5.8.4 - EXT4 at sda11
Registered Linux User #380263



Re: Bug#1 Freeze - Re: Intel i965

2017-02-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 02/10/2017 07:54 AM, debian-...@lists.debian.org wrote:

"Re: Bug#1 Freeze"
Jimmy Johnson doc

"Mine is an Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics and
it's now working swell with the Sid 4.8.0-2 kernel but not
as quick to load as the 4.7.0-1 kernel which works with no
problem. In Stretch the 4.8.0-2 kernel is freezing the system,
4.7.0-1 kernel works swell - Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated
Graphics. Plasma and SDDM."

Here's an update for the i965, the linux-image-4.7 is no longer in the 
reposes, but is still on my laptop. linux-image-4.8 and 4.9 work only if 
I keep pressing ctrl+alt+F1, F2, F7, etc., way to much regression. 
Sometimes it will do a first boot without assistance from me but on the 
reboot will lockup without assistance. I'm being forced to use the 
linux-image from Jessie(works swell) in order to get updates. 
jessie-backports 4.8 and 4.9 do not work with plasma on the i965.


If you need testing of assistance let me know.
--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - Plasma 5.8.4 - EXT4 at sda11
Registered Linux User #380263



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread GiaThnYgeia
David Wright:
> On Sat 11 Feb 2017 at 02:11:38 (+0100), Michael Lange wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:32:45 +1100
>> Keith Bainbridge  wrote:
>>> How can I as a creator specify that you as the reader MUST use a
>>> specific program to read them?
>> Maybe by adding a "feature" that is supported by your reader software
>> exclusively?
> For example,
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format#XML_Forms_Data_Format_.28XFDF.29
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFA#Usage_with_Portable_Document_Format
> Cheers,
> David.

I have yet to find a single pdf document (and for many languages) that
can not be handled for reading by the document-viewer (evince) open and
free.  There are also libre and other plugins that handle importing a
pdf in other formats, but even as pdf pictures some open-free ocr may
read them with small percentage of loss and need for editing/correcting.
If you can see it on the screen then it is at least a digital picture.

Yes, this would be a huge task for a huge amount of documents.  And then
there is wine and vm of running other systems' software.  The very logic
of adobe's foundation is very much in clash with the linux logic and
philosophy, at least that is why I am here and not there.  And I know
very little about how things work.  I did much research on which system
to choose and it was the debian manifesto that sold me, not the
technical details.  If debian fails so does the need for computing, for
me at least.  I can go back to planting seeds the analog way.  If the
adobes prevail we are in deeper trouble than we may think.  And it is
not always about winning, but fighting an honorable battle that matters.

Katrin



Re: Stretch stable and jessie testing - repositories listed (new pkgs under freeze)

2017-02-10 Thread GiaThnYgeia
Brian:
> On Fri 10 Feb 2017 at 10:43:00 +, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> 
> [We are are talking about some using the testing distribution].
> 
>> I did not upgrade this time, just left it where it is as "if it ain't
>> broke don't fix it" wondering why this is.  I think the uneasiness comes
>> from the feeling of not being able to revert things once they have been
>> broken.
> 
> You have volunteered to test testing; please take it seriously. You will
> have to upgrade sometime, if only to get to stable when it is released,

Yes, you are right and I am conscious of this obligation.  Only, with
the previous discussion on the same thread, I thought I may have done
something wrong and this was the consequence.  I did upgrade and with no
noticeable effects - yet!  I have noticed some partial slow down in the
booting routine lately, I don't know whether it is normal or not.
it seemed as it had been improved between jessie and stretch then seemed
slightly longer lately.  Not very significant of an issue.  I check and
carry upgrades twice daily lately.  I'm getting ready a second box where
I can have an equivalent built and test things 1-2 days ahead my main
box.  Down-time is expensive if work that pays the bills comes from a
single machine.

> Hello,
> Take a look at Synaptic Menu you can select a package and then go to >
Package > Force Version, you can only force one package at a time
> but, yes you can downgrade. I can down grade a couple hundred
> packages without much problem, depends on the user.

This is good to know if one can get back to synaptic after things fall
apart.  I have tried this once with a non debian package and worked once
but I had read somewhere that I couldn't or I shouldn't and took it as a
rule.  You are saying that one can go from a higher edition of debian
back to a lower edition, or are we talking about package versions within
the same edition?  Like if you dislike libreoffice5 and want to go back
to 4** I don't see how can this be done by synaptic, unless you remove 5
and download or apt-get a specific package from Libre.

> --
> Jimmy Johnson


Katrin



Re: Stretch stable and jessie testing - repositories listed

2017-02-10 Thread David Wright
On Fri 10 Feb 2017 at 16:00:13 (-0800), Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 02/09/2017 04:58 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:

> >In most cases documents simplify that stretch is testing, so I thought
> >there was no difference, then something I read recently made me think
> >once stretch becomes stable I would be bumped up a notch. Elsewhere I
> >read that once you are up the ladder the only way to backtrack is to
> >reinstall.
> 
> Hello,
> Take a look at Synaptic Menu you can select a package and then go to
> Package > Force Version, you can only force one package at a time
> but, yes you can downgrade. I can down grade a couple hundred
> packages without much problem, depends on the user.

Oh, that's heartening! Does Synaptic use a different method
from dpkg? The man page for the latter says (and the warnings
look very pretty in red):

 --force-things, --no-force-things, --refuse-things

  [...]

  Warning: These options are mostly intended to be used by experts
  only. Using them without fully understanding their effects  may
  break your whole system.

  [...]

  downgrade(*):  Install a package, even if newer version of it is
  already installed.

  Warning: At present dpkg does not do any dependency checking  on
  downgrades  and  therefore  will  not  warn you if the downgrade
  breaks the dependency of some other package. This can have seri‐
  ous  side  effects,  downgrading essential system components can
  even make your whole system unusable. Use with care.

Cheers,
David.



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread David Wright
On Sat 11 Feb 2017 at 02:11:38 (+0100), Michael Lange wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:32:45 +1100
> Keith Bainbridge  wrote:
> 
> > Have I missed something here?
> > 
> > .pdf files are portable,  right?
> > 
> > 
> > How can I as a creator specify that you as the reader MUST use a
> > specific program to read them?
> 
> Maybe by adding a "feature" that is supported by your reader software
> exclusively?

For example,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format#XML_Forms_Data_Format_.28XFDF.29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFA#Usage_with_Portable_Document_Format

Cheers,
David.



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Michael Lange
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 11:32:45 +1100
Keith Bainbridge  wrote:

> Have I missed something here?
> 
> .pdf files are portable,  right?
> 
> 
> How can I as a creator specify that you as the reader MUST use a
> specific program to read them?

Maybe by adding a "feature" that is supported by your reader software
exclusively?

Regards

Michael

.-.. .. ...- .   .-.. --- -. --.   .- -. -..   .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-.

Each kiss is as the first.
-- Miramanee, Kirk's wife, "The Paradise Syndrome",
   stardate 4842.6



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Keith Bainbridge
Have I missed something here?

.pdf files are portable,  right?


How can I as a creator specify that you as the reader MUST use a specific
program to read them?

Keith Bainbridge

0447667468

keithrbaugro...@gmail.com

Sent from my APad

On 11 Feb 2017 07:40, "John Culleton"  wrote:

> All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
> with Debian?
>
> --
> John Culleton
> Wexfordpress
> Book design and indexing.
>
>
>


Re: Stretch stable and jessie testing - repositories listed

2017-02-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 02/09/2017 04:58 PM, GiaThnYgeia wrote:

Lisi Reisz:

Right, so if you wish to remain on Stretch, which I think you do, replace the
word testing with the name stretch in all 4 of those lines.  Then update -
however you do that in Synaptic.


Ok thank you, I think it worked.  I reloaded and no packages needed any
updating.  A quick list of the installed packages shows all the same
edition between installed and available.  I think synaptic is really
nice once you get the hang of it.


And I should do it relatively soon, or at the moment Stretch becomes Stable
you will find yourself effectively on Sid!!!



In most cases documents simplify that stretch is testing, so I thought
there was no difference, then something I read recently made me think
once stretch becomes stable I would be bumped up a notch. Elsewhere I
read that once you are up the ladder the only way to backtrack is to
reinstall.


Hello,
Take a look at Synaptic Menu you can select a package and then go to 
Package > Force Version, you can only force one package at a time but, 
yes you can downgrade. I can down grade a couple hundred packages 
without much problem, depends on the user.

--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - Plasma 5.8.4 - EXT4 at sda11
Registered Linux User #380263



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:39:20 -0500 John Culleton
 wrote:

> All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
> with Debian?  

Kind of.

Available only from Adobe, and it's very old -- 5 years IIRC.  And
32-bit only!  If you run a 64-bit system, you'll need to setup
multi-architecture for 32-bit.  And no guarantee it will work 100% with
today's PDF generated files.

B



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Jimmy Johnson

On 02/10/2017 12:39 PM, John Culleton wrote:

All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
with Debian?


From PDF-Debian Wiki; If you really need Adobe's Acrobat Reader, which 
is non-free, it is available from ftp.adobe.com or the 
deb-multimedia.org repository.

Get the details here; https://wiki.debian.org/PDF
--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - Plasma 5.8.4 - EXT4 at sda11
Registered Linux User #380263



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Joe
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 16:12:34 -0500
John Culleton  wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:04:35 +1300
> Ben Caradoc-Davies  wrote:
> 
> > On 11/02/17 09:39, John Culleton wrote:  
> > > All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
> > > with Debian?
> > 
> > What functionality do you need? I suggest trying a Debian Live image
> > and evaluating some of the many open source PDF readers.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> >   
> 
> My tax company insists on Adobe. I hve spend three days fighting
> this problem. Installed Windoze 7 but it couldn't get on line.
> Anyone have a linux Adobe Acrobat Reader. I had it once but the
> computer died.
> 

I don't think there's been a recent version for Linux.

Adobe push the use of their specialised extensions for editing and
signing forms, and in general even the other Windows PDF software
doesn't handle them well.

-- 
Joe



Re: Software collections in Debian?

2017-02-10 Thread Jeremy Voorhis
I've used Software Collections for deployment of server software, and I can
say they do a lot less than tools like flatpak or snap. Besides being
agnostic to desktop sessions, they try to address the problem of outdated
versions of CentOS/RHEL packages which are difficult to replace (like
Python), and work by hooking the environment to make additional binaries
and runtimes available, typically installed under /opt/rh.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Nicholas Geovanis 
wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Floris  wrote:
>
>>
>> This sounds like flatpak
>> http://flatpak.org/
>>
>> and is available in Debian
>>
>
> Thanks much. But sadly, from http://flatpak.org/faq.html
> "Flatpak is designed to run inside a desktop session and relies on certain
> session services, such as a dbus session bus and a systemd --user instance.
> So, is not a good match for a server."
>
> Do folks here agree that these services are "not a good match for a
> server"?
> Thanks..Nick G.
>



-- 
Jeremy Voorhis


Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Jude DaShiell
I wonder are org-mode pdf exports good enough to pass for adobe pdf 
files?  It's possible with org-mode to write up an org-mode document and 
then export that to a pdf file.  I do know for sure such pdf files are 
not accessible (cannot talk) but I don't know about any other failings. 
emacs-orgmode-requ...@gnu.org is the admin address to subscribe to 
emacs-orgmode support list and you'd be able to find out just how good 
the pdf files are org-mode produces on that list if you don't get an 
answer here first.


On Fri, 10 Feb 2017, John Culleton wrote:


Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 16:12:34
From: John Culleton 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Before I install Debian
Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:13:25 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:04:35 +1300
Ben Caradoc-Davies  wrote:


On 11/02/17 09:39, John Culleton wrote:

All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
with Debian?


What functionality do you need? I suggest trying a Debian Live image
and evaluating some of the many open source PDF readers.

Kind regards,



My tax company insists on Adobe. I hve spend three days fighting
this problem. Installed Windoze 7 but it couldn't get on line.
Anyone have a linux Adobe Acrobat Reader. I had it once but the computer
died.




--



Re: Software collections in Debian?

2017-02-10 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Floris  wrote:

>
> This sounds like flatpak
> http://flatpak.org/
>
> and is available in Debian
>

Thanks much. But sadly, from http://flatpak.org/faq.html
"Flatpak is designed to run inside a desktop session and relies on certain
session services, such as a dbus session bus and a systemd --user instance.
So, is not a good match for a server."

Do folks here agree that these services are "not a good match for a server"?
Thanks..Nick G.


Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Floris
Op Fri, 10 Feb 2017 22:12:34 +0100 schreef John Culleton  
:



On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:04:35 +1300
Ben Caradoc-Davies  wrote:


On 11/02/17 09:39, John Culleton wrote:
> All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
> with Debian?

What functionality do you need? I suggest trying a Debian Live image
and evaluating some of the many open source PDF readers.

Kind regards,



My tax company insists on Adobe. I hve spend three days fighting
this problem. Installed Windoze 7 but it couldn't get on line.
Anyone have a linux Adobe Acrobat Reader. I had it once but the computer
died.



you can run Adobe Acrobat via wine

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application=847



Re: Software collections in Debian?

2017-02-10 Thread Floris

Op Fri, 10 Feb 2017 18:51:20 +0100 schreef Curt :


On 2017-02-10, Darac Marjal  wrote:

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:55:24AM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
Does Debian support the "software collections" machinery from RedHat?  
Or will
it support them in the near future? Googling indicates that the answer  
is "no"

but I can't find a flat-out statement so far. Thanks...Nick G


I suspect that these are called "tasks" in debian. See the "tasksel"
program for more details.



That's what I thought until I looked it up.


 With Software Collections, you can build and concurrently install  
multiple
 versions of the same software components on your system. Software  
Collections
 have no impact on the system versions of the packages installed by any  
of the

 conventional RPM package management utilities.



This sounds like flatpak
http://flatpak.org/

and is available in Debian



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread John Culleton
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:04:35 +1300
Ben Caradoc-Davies  wrote:

> On 11/02/17 09:39, John Culleton wrote:
> > All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
> > with Debian?  
> 
> What functionality do you need? I suggest trying a Debian Live image
> and evaluating some of the many open source PDF readers.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 

My tax company insists on Adobe. I hve spend three days fighting
this problem. Installed Windoze 7 but it couldn't get on line.
Anyone have a linux Adobe Acrobat Reader. I had it once but the computer
died.

-- 
John Culleton
Wexfordpress
Book design and indexing.




Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Floris
Op Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:39:20 +0100 schreef John Culleton  
:



All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
with Debian?



a very old version is available from:
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/9.x/9.5.5/enu/

but the default pdf-reader in Debian is Evince
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evince

Floris



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies

On 11/02/17 09:39, John Culleton wrote:

All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
with Debian?


What functionality do you need? I suggest trying a Debian Live image and 
evaluating some of the many open source PDF readers.


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Doug



On 02/10/2017 03:45 PM, Sven Hartge wrote:

John Culleton  wrote:


All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available with
Debian?

No.

Grüße,
Sven.


Have you looked at Master PDF Editor 4?

--doug

--
Blessed are the peacemakers...for they shall be shot at from both 
sides.--A.M,Greeley



Re: Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread Sven Hartge
John Culleton  wrote:

> All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available with
> Debian?  

No.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.



Before I install Debian

2017-02-10 Thread John Culleton
All I need from Debian is Adobe Acrobat Reader. Is this available
with Debian?  

-- 
John Culleton
Wexfordpress
Book design and indexing.




Re: Stretch stable and jessie testing - repositories listed (new pkgs under freeze)

2017-02-10 Thread Brian
On Fri 10 Feb 2017 at 10:43:00 +, GiaThnYgeia wrote:

[We are are talking about some using the testing distribution].

> I did not upgrade this time, just left it where it is as "if it ain't
> broke don't fix it" wondering why this is.  I think the uneasiness comes
> from the feeling of not being able to revert things once they have been
> broken.

You have volunteered to test testing; please take it seriously. You will
have to upgrade sometime, if only to get to stable when it is released,

[Snip]

> Breath deeply, exhale :)
> HTH??

The first hit on Google. :)

-- 
Brian.



Re: Software collections in Debian?

2017-02-10 Thread Curt
On 2017-02-10, Darac Marjal  wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:55:24AM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>>Does Debian support the "software collections" machinery from RedHat? Or will
>>it support them in the near future? Googling indicates that the answer is "no"
>>but I can't find a flat-out statement so far. Thanks...Nick G
>
> I suspect that these are called "tasks" in debian. See the "tasksel" 
> program for more details.
>

That's what I thought until I looked it up.


 With Software Collections, you can build and concurrently install multiple
 versions of the same software components on your system. Software Collections
 have no impact on the system versions of the packages installed by any of the
 conventional RPM package management utilities. 


-- 
“It is enough that the arrows fit exactly in the wounds that they have made.”
Franz Kafka



Re: HELP! Re: How to fix I/O errors?

2017-02-10 Thread Ric Moore

On 02/09/2017 12:13 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:


You shared your philosophy ("tear it all down and rebuild it from scratch
every two years")


I don't know where you got this. The OP was having one helluva time with 
a harddrive. I suggested that he create a partition to store his 
personal files "more safely" as /opt, when he did a partition, format 
and re-install to the new drive. After he could mount the failing drive 
and copy as many personal files as he could salvage to the new 
/opt/ install. Then, if the need arises, a re-install is 
relatively painless. I have never exposed wipe and re-install every two 
years. That would be stupid. The decision to upgrade is purely a 
personal one, driven either by choice or necessity.



and I shared mine ("keep everything unchanged until
you are forced to change it").



A dying harddrive will drive change, don't you think??


Neither one is right, and neither one
is wrong.  I just wanted both viewpoints to be equally represented.



"Viewpoints", as in politics, do not remedy a failing drive nor the 
rescue of it's contents. That was the reason the OP posted. Please keep 
his needs in mind. Ric



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Re: Once again: alt as my meta key

2017-02-10 Thread Erwan David
Le 02/10/2017 à 18:31, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2017, Erwan David wrote:
>> Wouldn't that make it impossible to write languages with diacritics in
>> it ? Would be pathetic.
> 
> You can just use the compose key instead, or additionally AltGr if your
> keyboard has one.
> 

My keyboard has diacritics, and every users of theose standards
keyboards are used to directly use them.
It would be more sensible to use the windows key as a meta and keep Alt
to Alt...



Re: Once again: alt as my meta key

2017-02-10 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 09 Feb 2017, Erwan David wrote:
> Wouldn't that make it impossible to write languages with diacritics in
> it ? Would be pathetic.

You can just use the compose key instead, or additionally AltGr if your
keyboard has one.

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Re: how to override a conffile (not using dpkg-divert)?

2017-02-10 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017, Harald Dunkel wrote:
> Not to mention the config file conflicts on the next upgrade, even if
> the DM changed only a single comment line. Plus there is no
> notification to run my postinst script again.

If this is a configuration package, then presumably you want
--force-confdef, so you don't need to rerun the postinst at all.

Or if you really want, you *can* divert them.[1,2] You just can't do that in
something that you upload to Debian.

Though you really probably want to be using puppet, chef, or something
similar instead.

> I have to make sure that the host configuration follows certain rules
> on all machines, e.g. for introducing signed host certificates for
> sshd, for the ldap/kerberos integration, etc.

Do whatever you want when you're the administrator! Just don't do this
in a package you're distributing when you're not.


1: https://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages
2: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476899

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Re: Software collections in Debian?

2017-02-10 Thread Darac Marjal

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:55:24AM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:

Does Debian support the "software collections" machinery from RedHat? Or will
it support them in the near future? Googling indicates that the answer is "no"
but I can't find a flat-out statement so far. Thanks...Nick G


I suspect that these are called "tasks" in debian. See the "tasksel" 
program for more details.



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Software collections in Debian?

2017-02-10 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
Does Debian support the "software collections" machinery from RedHat? Or
will it support them in the near future? Googling indicates that the answer
is "no" but I can't find a flat-out statement so far. Thanks...Nick G


Re: how to override a conffile (not using dpkg-divert)?

2017-02-10 Thread Harald Dunkel
Hi Don,

On 02/08/17 23:36, Don Armstrong wrote:
> 
> If this is a private package which you are using to enforce your local
> configuration, just change the conffile in your postinst [possibly after
> checking that the conffile hasn't been modified.]
> 

This can become pretty difficult, depending upon the config file
format (*.xml, *.json, ...). Not to mention the config file
conflicts on the next upgrade, even if the DM changed only a
single comment line. Plus there is no notification to run my
postinst script again.

> If this is a package which you are planning on having anyone else use,
> then you basically shouldn't be touching /etc/ssh/ssh_config or
> /etc/ssh/sshd_config, because you're likely to break things horribly.
> 

I am sorry, but "shouldn't" is not an option. I have to make
sure that the host configuration follows certain rules on all
machines, e.g. for introducing signed host certificates for
sshd, for the ldap/kerberos integration, etc. Of course we all
try to not "break things horribly".

A working divert for config files is missing in Debian.


Thanx very much for your response
Harri



Re: Stretch stable and jessie testing - repositories listed (new pkgs under freeze)

2017-02-10 Thread GiaThnYgeia


Greg Wooledge:
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:43:00AM +, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
>> If I understand the freeze process well (I think I
>> don't) why would updated packages appear today on the list?
> 
> The freeze means that only bug fixes go in.  No new upstream versions,
> unless it's a very special case.

Thank you, that makes perfect analog sense, to my binary thinking that
would have been a problem.

Katrin



Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

2017-02-10 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, February 10, 2017 06:56:10 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Eh, I was thinking more stuff like Minecraft, Space Engineers, or other
> "real time" multiplayer games, where there is a fair bit of
> communication between the client and server.

I guessed that, which was why I provided the name of the game ;-)

> Got the thing, just didn't have any time to look yesterday.  Perhaps
> I'll have some time this afternoon.

No problem--and no real hurry--I guess the main reason to send it to you was 
to have you confirm that I was describing the problem correctly.  At this 
point, I'm almost 100% certain that I am.

> > Note that the counters on the Westell apparently rollover at 2^32, so the
> > formulas in my spreadsheet have to take that into account.  Some times
> > I have to manually adjust (once so far, and I did it by a slight
> > one-time revision to the formula in the given cell).
> 
> Odd that they'd be using a 32-bit int in any devices these days, but
> meh.  However, that rollover will play all kinds of havoc with the
> numbers, unless you're resetting the counters every day.

I think you'll see (and agree) that the formulae in the spreadsheet compensate 
for the rollover correctly, except in rare instances like the one mentioned 
above.



Re: Stretch stable and jessie testing - repositories listed (new pkgs under freeze)

2017-02-10 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:43:00AM +, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> If I understand the freeze process well (I think I
> don't) why would updated packages appear today on the list?

The freeze means that only bug fixes go in.  No new upstream versions,
unless it's a very special case.



Re: Why packets (from my ISP to me) on the WAN VC side of my router are twice the size of packets on the Ethernet (and a corresponding twice as many bytes)

2017-02-10 Thread Dan Purgert
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 09, 2017 07:36:50 AM Dan Purgert wrote:
>> rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > 2.  I'm sure that I'm looking at the download flows from my ISP as the
>> > ratio of the octets / bytes between the two flows is generally
>> > something like 10 to 1.   I'm sure that I am not uploading 10 times
>> > (or even the same number) of bytes  as I am downloading.  (For
>> > example, I rarely upload anything, and rarely have  attachments to
>> > emails...)
>> 
>> I don't quite follow this one.  Do you mean that you're seeing something
>> like
>
> Well, the first time I read your post (the one this responded to, I
> got the (mistaken, I think) impression that you thought I had the in
> and out directions backwards, so I was trying to clarify.

Not "backwards" per se, but yeah I was trying to confirm that we were on
the same page.

>
> If I'm not mistaken again, I believe we both agree that:
>
> Downloads from Earthlink: WAN in / LAN out
> Uploads to Earthlink: WAN out / LAN in
>
>> >  - "Downloading" (WAN_IN / LAN_OUT) == 10 bytes
>> >  - "Uploading" (LAN_IN / WAN_OUT) == 100 bytes
>
> Yes we definitely agree.
>
> By talking about the 10 to 1 ratio, I was trying to confirm that I had
> the directions correct, in other words, using your example, my
> situation is:
>
> - "Downloading" (WAN_IN / LAN_OUT) == 100 bytes
> - "Uploading" (LAN_IN / WAN_OUT) == 10 bytes

That is perfectly fine and normal then.

>
>> If you (or anyone in the house) play games, then the traffic (at least
>> for the game) will be about equal.
>
> My son does play one online game, "Words with Friends" [...] 

Eh, I was thinking more stuff like Minecraft, Space Engineers, or other
"real time" multiplayer games, where there is a fair bit of
communication between the client and server.

> [...]


> Thanks, I will send it to you, by attaching it to another copy of this 
> response sent to your address, only...

Got the thing, just didn't have any time to look yesterday.  Perhaps
I'll have some time this afternoon.

>
> Note that the counters on the Westell apparently rollover at 2^32, so the 
> formulas in my spreadsheet have to take that into account.  Some times
> I have to manually adjust (once so far, and I did it by a slight
> one-time revision to the formula in the given cell).

Odd that they'd be using a 32-bit int in any devices these days, but
meh.  However, that rollover will play all kinds of havoc with the
numbers, unless you're resetting the counters every day.


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Re: Issues with power management

2017-02-10 Thread solitone
On Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:37:48 CET solitone wrote:
> With time, though, I noticed that even suspension doesn't work very well.
> Sometimes the laptop does not suspend, neither if I wait for the set 5
> minutes, nor if I close the lid. It basically remains active, cunsuming
> battery.

After a fresh boot, suspend does work. However, after resume, a second suspend 
attempt doesn't work--the system automatically resumes after a couple of 
seconds.

I'm still far from a solution at the moment.



Re: Stretch stable and jessie testing - repositories listed (new pkgs under freeze)

2017-02-10 Thread GiaThnYgeia
Lisi Reisz:
>> In most cases documents simplify that stretch is testing,

Ok, got it, I think your post helps the archive.

I don't think I should open a new post/thread for one more
clarification.  If I understand the freeze process well (I think I
don't) why would updated packages appear today on the list?  Some about
linux-headers/image and all (important stuff for all stretch-ers). When
I replaced testing with stretch yesterday it found no needed updates.
Or are these final small modifications before the release that happen
while the freeze process is in effect?  Does the freeze strictly mean no
package transferring from sid to testing but specific tuning can be done
within the edition?  Meaning this update did not come from sid?

I did not upgrade this time, just left it where it is as "if it ain't
broke don't fix it" wondering why this is.  I think the uneasiness comes
from the feeling of not being able to revert things once they have been
broken.

> Ouch! No they don't.  Any documents that you have found that say exactly 
> that should be expunged from your mind, and they are certainly not 
> simplifying anything.  They are horribly confusing the issue.  Try to stick 
> to Debian documents (which any document saying exactly that certainly was 
> not).  As of 10/02/17 (British format - i.e. 10th February 2017) stretch is 
> testing.  But not for much longer.
> 
> Squeeze has been Testing, Stable, Old Stable, LTS and has now fallen off the 
> cliff.  (I.e. is archive only and unsupported.) 
> 
> Wheezy has been Testing - Stable - now Old Stable - then it will be LTS - 
> then 
> off the cliff.
> 
> Jessie has been Testing, is Stable, will soon be Old Stable.
> 
> Stretch is Testing, will soon be Stable.
> 
> What is now Sid will soon be Buster, but there will still be Sid, so that, 
> very briefly, Sid and Buster will be the same as each other.
> 
> You need to reread this.  Or read it if you haven't yet done so.
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20170209172439.GA9225@alum
> 
> HTH, finally,
> Lisi

Breath deeply, exhale :)
HTH??
I was referring to things I have occasionally seen on forums and debian
based distros which confuse the issue.  It is clear now, thanks to you.
I found a graph yesterday (I think it was in a link of the post you
suggest) showing the list of names in one column and old-stable, stable,
testing, unstable on the next explaining that when a release comes out
everything on the first column drops down a notch.
I think that sid being always unstable is what confuses the most of us
newbies.  It is a vicious thing that sid.



Re: Re: Debian Sid not booting - systemd failed to register manager vtable: file exists

2017-02-10 Thread Alexander Lebedev

Hello Jiri,

I have faced the same problem. I think there is something wrong with the 
sssd-nss socket unit /lib/systemd/system/sssd-nss.socket


After I disabled it by

 # systemctl disable sssd-nss.socket

the problem has disappeared and my system (Stretch) boots normally. SSSD 
works. NSS through SSSD (LDAP) works too, the domain users and groups 
are visible. The socket is created at /var/lib/sss/pipes/nss.


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Re: dual-boot install question

2017-02-10 Thread deloptes
Doug wrote:

> And disconnect the Windows drive
> when you install Linux.

completely paranoid approach, but if you are not sure in what you are doing,
it is justified. However for the record it is not necessary to do any of
this and even not required to have 2 drives, unless you do some windows
factory reset that would swipe your disk. I would recommend making backup
upfront such operations.

if grub does not recognize your windows partition, you better look into grub
configuration, or add a file like
 /etc/grub.d/25_windows

with following

insmod part_msdos
insmod ntfs
set root='hd0,2'
chainloader +1

where hd0 is first drive and 2 is second partition - adjust to match your
setup

regards