date:20170703

On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 17:05:51 (-0300), Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:
> On 03-07-2017 16:42, David Wright wrote:
> >The discussion is not about units, but about reference points.¹
> The discussion also is not about reference points,

I disagree. The RTC is a reference point for setting the system
clock from when the machine has no other reference (no network
connection).

> but what is right to do.

There's no "right" answer, just options which introduce differing
amounts of complexity.

> >>I don't need UTC, many people around the world doesn't neither, leave UTC
> >>for those who need it.
> >
> >True; before the dawn of railways, everyone lived on local time.
> It was working.

… until the railways started moving accurate clocks about the place.

> >>We can avoid a lot of mess with that.
> >
> >I have no idea what the mess is that you're trying to avoid
> >by using local time.
> I have no idea why they are forcing the use o UTC, local time was
> doing just fine. My TV doesn't use UTC, my router (OpenWRT) doesn't
> use UTC, my phone (Samsung S7 Edge) doesn't use UTC, it doesn't even
> has settings for UTC, my printer (Brother HL4150CDN) it doesn't use
> UTC.
> 
> Why create all this trouble?

What trouble; again, what mess?

I can't see the point of having an RTC that is wrong much of the
time (ie when you travel across timezones or the seasons change)
and needs an OS to sort it out; unnecessary complication IMO.

> All I'm trying to avoid is to prevent fsck from scanning my discs
> every single time I boot the computer and because some one removed
> /etc/adjtime from initramfs.

I thought you'd now managed to do that.

> >>Em 3 de jul de 2017 12:03, "David Wright" 
> >>escreveu:
> >>
> >>
> >>The future could get complicated for people not running on UTC
> >>if time offsets of a few seconds start to arise. AIUI timezones
> >>as presently implemented can't handle that.
> >
> >¹ personally, the most inconvenient thing about US units is
> >the chaotic paper size system as there's no real way round it.
> >The reason that _does_ involve the units is of course that the
> >physical paper sizes are derived _from_ the units.

Cheers,
David.

Debian y cds

2017-07-03 Thread Rodolfo Edgar

Hola lista, tenía Debian 8 y decidí ver otra descarga y veo que ya no
hay cd1, cd2, etc.No hay Xlde, solo xfce en el cd1, antes se podia
descargar solo el disco 1 y usar para servidor puro, sin GUI, ahora no
existe eso.

DOSEMU DPMI unhandled exception 0e (it's back!)

2017-07-03 Thread David Griffith



When I start DOSEMU and use any DOS program, I get "DPMI: Unhandled 
Exception 0e - Terminating Client" and then I'm told that the emulator is 
unstable and should be rebooted.  Running any program after that causes 
DOSEMU to crash.


Identical trouble was reported in https://bugs.debian.org/797378 and 
attributed to a kernel bug that was fixed in 4.2.x.  My Stretch machines 
are now running 4.9.x.  What's going on here?



--
David Griffith
d...@661.org

A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

Re: Nvidia legacy driver install..

2017-07-03 Thread A. F. Cano

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 09:17:00AM -0700, tony mollica wrote:
> On another note,
> 
> just checking to see if anyone has used the nvidia driver (304
> series) install and if there were any problems that arose or needed
> to be resolved either before or after the installation?

I finally got this to work on Debian 8 with an Nvidia 6800 card.
I say "finally" because the upgrade from Debian 7 to 8 must have
left something not quite settled properly and I tracked it down to
a symbolic link that was missing.  I reported it as a bug to the
nvidia-users list (IIRC) so the whole exchange should be there.

When I upgraded to Debian 9, I could never get past the black screen.
After a point in the boot process, the screen went black and couldn't be
made to work no matter what I tried.  No errors showed up in any log
file.  The system could be reached by ssh so everything but the video
was working fine.  I finally gave up and installed a Radeon video card.
The system has been working fine ever since.  It's an old Dell 8400
tower, with a large (dumb) Viewsonic monitor connected to the VGA port.

Augustine

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread Jimmy Johnson


On 07/03/2017 04:41 AM, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
to work.


Less than a month ago that driver was upgraded: 
http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us=en=hl2270dw_all 





Whit


Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - KDE Plasma 5.8.6 at sda13
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Jason Wittlin-Cohen

I assume this will work fine for a server system, but will it work on a
desktop system using GNOME?  From what I've read, GNOME has several systemd
dependencies, but it's not clear to me whether this requires systemd to be
used as init, or merely that systemd's packages must be installed.

Also, the future of sysvinit in Debian is not clear.  I've done some
research and one particular Debian developer claims that there is no plan
to support sysvinit as of Stretch, declaring that systemd is the only
option as of Stretch [1].  However, a different source [2] indicates that
there are several developers maintaining sysvinit currently.

[1]
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/3x8ef1/what_is_the_status_of_init_independency_in_stretch/cy2olz2/
[2] http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_Stretch

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:42:11PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use
> > an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My
> > laptop doesn't feel like my machine anymore.
> >
> > Is there a pure Debian alternative?
>
> You may switch to one of the other init systems.  Assuming stretch
> (Debian 9):
>
> To use sysvinit, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot.
>
> To use runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install
> runit-init", and reboot again.
>
>

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread Celejar

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400
Dan Ritter  wrote:

...

> A Brother with all of:
> 
> - ethernet networking
> - duplex
> - BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
>   GhostScript)
> 
> will not need a driver.
> 
> Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)

Very interesting, thanks. Is this documented / explained anywhere? I
think I understand why 1 and 3 might be relevant to the need for
drivers, but 2?

FWIW, my HL-2280DW meets 1 and 2, but not (apparently) 3, and indeed
does seem to require a driver.

Celejar

Re: Kernel Panic in VMXNET3 Driver

I am on stretch  Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2.  Is there a link to submit this
bug too?

On Ubuntu's 4.4.0-83-generic this is not reproducible.


On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 6:45 PM, deloptes  wrote:

> Mini Trader wrote:
>
> > More information.  I found a post here:
> >
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1650635
> >
> > They mention LRO so I disabled it.  I cannot reproduce if LRO is
> disabled.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Mini Trader 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Looks to be the same.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:48 PM, deloptes  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mini Trader wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > task_numa_fault+0x6ed/0xd20
> >>>
> >>> what happens if you boot the vm with numa=off
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
> the change mentioned in the article is in the kernel - at least 4.11.2 - I
> don't know about your version. The article is about 4.4.
>
> perhaps solved by chance - you have to report back to kernel maintainer I
> guess
>
> 4.11.2 and 4.10.14
>
> line nr 1395 to 1415
> if (VMXNET3_VERSION_GE_2(adapter) &&
> rcd->type == VMXNET3_CDTYPE_RXCOMP_LRO) {
> struct Vmxnet3_RxCompDescExt *rcdlro;
> rcdlro = (struct Vmxnet3_RxCompDescExt
> *)rcd;
>
> segCnt = rcdlro->segCnt;
> WARN_ON_ONCE(segCnt == 0);
> mss = rcdlro->mss;
> if (unlikely(segCnt <= 1))
> segCnt = 0;
> } else {
> segCnt = 0;
> }
> } else {
> BUG_ON(ctx->skb == NULL && !skip_page_frags);
>
> /* non SOP buffer must be type 1 in most cases */
> BUG_ON(rbi->buf_type != VMXNET3_RX_BUF_PAGE);
> BUG_ON(rxd->btype != VMXNET3_RXD_BTYPE_BODY);
>
>
>
>

Re: Kernel Panic in VMXNET3 Driver

2017-07-03 Thread deloptes

Mini Trader wrote:

> More information.  I found a post here:
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1650635
> 
> They mention LRO so I disabled it.  I cannot reproduce if LRO is disabled.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Mini Trader 
> wrote:
> 
>> Looks to be the same.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:48 PM, deloptes  wrote:
>>
>>> Mini Trader wrote:
>>>
>>> > task_numa_fault+0x6ed/0xd20
>>>
>>> what happens if you boot the vm with numa=off
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

the change mentioned in the article is in the kernel - at least 4.11.2 - I
don't know about your version. The article is about 4.4.

perhaps solved by chance - you have to report back to kernel maintainer I
guess

4.11.2 and 4.10.14

line nr 1395 to 1415
if (VMXNET3_VERSION_GE_2(adapter) &&
rcd->type == VMXNET3_CDTYPE_RXCOMP_LRO) {
struct Vmxnet3_RxCompDescExt *rcdlro;
rcdlro = (struct Vmxnet3_RxCompDescExt
*)rcd;

segCnt = rcdlro->segCnt;
WARN_ON_ONCE(segCnt == 0);
mss = rcdlro->mss;
if (unlikely(segCnt <= 1))
segCnt = 0;
} else {
segCnt = 0;
}
} else {
BUG_ON(ctx->skb == NULL && !skip_page_frags);

/* non SOP buffer must be type 1 in most cases */
BUG_ON(rbi->buf_type != VMXNET3_RX_BUF_PAGE);
BUG_ON(rxd->btype != VMXNET3_RXD_BTYPE_BODY);

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread Celejar

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 08:05:52 -0400
Adam Rosi-Kessel  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 07:41:31AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote:
> > Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
> > currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
> > finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when I'm
> > not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it to work.
> > Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.
> 
> I've been quite satisfied with the Brother HLL2380DW wireless
> scanner/duplex laser-printer. $165 on Amazon including toner

I have been similarly very satisfied with what I believe is another
model in this line (in between the OP's and Adam's), the HL-2280DW
(Brother uses 'D' to indicate duplex and 'W' to indicate wireless). It
does require binary, non-free blobs from Brother, which I am admittedly
unhappy with, but once these are installed, the printer (I've never
really used the scanner functionality) just works (via CUPS) -
reliably, consistently, rarely jamming or exhibiting any other sort of
malfunction. And third party toner replacement is famously very cheap
for Brother models, although quality can reportedly vary widely.

Celejar

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...




On 07/03/2017 05:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:54:34 -0400 Whit Hansell 
wrote:



On 07/03/2017 10:41 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink
every month even when I'm not printing much.

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to
be more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink
(or ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles
getting clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity
environment making the toner get too humid to work properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
until you've considered the cause of the problem...



Thanks for your reply,  Maybe I should have prefaced that statement
with a "for me" phrase.  I do print out a number of articles during a
month but I used to have an hp722 printer and that cartridge held 2-3
times the ink my last printer held.  AND I was able to refill the 722
and the last one, an hp psc1510.  But for some reason in the last
year I have been unable to get a successful refill on the 1510 and so
am having to keep purchasing cartridges.  It uses a small cartridge
and I have cut back on my printing considerably and really get honked
off when it spits out a big  black block of ink in an article I can't
print from a pre-set printjob setup from the web page source.  And my
1510 just died on  me so am in need of a new printer so decided on a
laser printer as I care not for color.

Thanks for chiming in tho. I do appreciate everyone's help here. You
all have so much knowledge and we all learn from you.

Thanks again.  Help and advice much appreciated.

I tired of inkjet printers (and having to replace or fill the
cartridges)  and purchased a factory refurbhished Samsung ML-1710
(discontinued model) B laser printer for $75 US.  Still going strong
11 years later. Fairly low volume. Less than 1000 sheets per year.  And
Linux drivers from Samsung, too.  But looking to replace it with a
duplex printing model with higher resolution for $300 or less.  I'm
patient. So, I can wait for a sale, but whatever I buy, it will be a
Samsung model for sure.

B


Thanks for the reply B.  Hadn't thought of Samsung.  Will keep them in 
mind if need be.  Much appreciated

whit

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:39:26 -0400 Greg Wooledge 
wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:42:11PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to
> > use an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use
> > Windows. My laptop doesn't feel like my machine anymore.
> > 
> > Is there a pure Debian alternative?
> 
> You may switch to one of the other init systems.  Assuming stretch
> (Debian 9):
> 
> To use sysvinit, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot.
> 
> To use runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get
> install runit-init", and reboot again.
> 

I can verify both these work.  I've been running two versions of
Stretch in VirtualBox on a Wheezy host.  No problems.  I even added
runit supervision to the sysvinit one, and it works without problems.
Didn't remove anything systemd.  Just left it for dependenies.  Both
new inits survive update/upgrades even if systemd components are
upgraded.

B

Re: Kernel Panic in VMXNET3 Driver

More information.  I found a post here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1650635

They mention LRO so I disabled it.  I cannot reproduce if LRO is disabled.

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Mini Trader 
wrote:

> Looks to be the same.
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:48 PM, deloptes  wrote:
>
>> Mini Trader wrote:
>>
>> > task_numa_fault+0x6ed/0xd20
>>
>> what happens if you boot the vm with numa=off
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: mise a jour vers Stretch sur vps OVH

2017-07-03 Thread Sébastien Dinot



- Mail original -
> Ils ont rebooté sans encombre sur des noyaux 4.9, ou 3.16 ?

Reboot sur le noyau fourni par le paquet linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64.

Sébastien

-- 
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http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/
Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer !

Re: Kernel Panic in VMXNET3 Driver

Looks to be the same.

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:48 PM, deloptes  wrote:

> Mini Trader wrote:
>
> > task_numa_fault+0x6ed/0xd20
>
> what happens if you boot the vm with numa=off
>
>
>
>

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Michael Fothergill

On 3 July 2017 at 21:39, Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:42:11PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use
> > an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My
> > laptop doesn't feel like my machine anymore.
> >
> > Is there a pure Debian alternative?
>
> You may switch to one of the other init systems.  Assuming stretch
> (Debian 9):
>
> To use sysvinit, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot.
>

I am greatly humbled by the serene unflappable way that you made this
suggestion..

As the Buddha said:

Greater in battle than the man who would conquer a thousand-thousand men,
is he who would conquer just one —
himself.

Would that I could learn to walk in such company.

MF



> To use runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install
> runit-init", and reboot again.
>
>

Re: mise a jour vers Stretch sur vps OVH

2017-07-03 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA


Bonjour,


Le lundi 03 juillet 2017, Sébastien Dinot a écrit...


> Plus curieux, ce jour-là, la même mise à jour de noyau Linux a eu lieu sur
> une demi-douzaine de serveurs dédiés OVH que j'administre. Hormis celui
> dont je viens de parler, tous ont rebooté sans encombre !

Ils ont rebooté sans encombre sur des noyaux 4.9, ou 3.16 ?

Perso, c'est le 3.16 qui semble avoir posé problème. Si j'avais configuré le
bootloader syslinux sur le 4.9 en fin de mise à jour et rebooté dessus, je
n'aurais rien vu concernant ce nommage d'interface.

-- 
jm

Re: Kernel Panic in VMXNET3 Driver

2017-07-03 Thread deloptes

Mini Trader wrote:

> task_numa_fault+0x6ed/0xd20

what happens if you boot the vm with numa=off

Stretch middle button time interval

2017-07-03 Thread Nick

The middle button of my mouse (actually a 3-button laptop trackpad)
seemed to stop working in X after my jessie to stretch upgrade. It no
longer pasted text nor opened a web page in a new tab.

I since realised that it does still work but requires a limited time
interval between pressing and releasing the button. With a quick jab
it works, but if the button is held down too long before release it
does not work. The interval seems to be less than about 0.5s.

Is there any way to change this time interval?

Thanks
-- 
Nick

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:54:34 -0400 Whit Hansell 
wrote:

> 
> 
> On 07/03/2017 10:41 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> >> Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
> >> is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
> >> interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink
> >> every month even when I'm not printing much.
> > Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to
> > be more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink
> > (or ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles
> > getting clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity
> > environment making the toner get too humid to work properly?
> >
> > If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
> > until you've considered the cause of the problem...
> >
> >
> Thanks for your reply,  Maybe I should have prefaced that statement
> with a "for me" phrase.  I do print out a number of articles during a
> month but I used to have an hp722 printer and that cartridge held 2-3
> times the ink my last printer held.  AND I was able to refill the 722
> and the last one, an hp psc1510.  But for some reason in the last
> year I have been unable to get a successful refill on the 1510 and so
> am having to keep purchasing cartridges.  It uses a small cartridge
> and I have cut back on my printing considerably and really get honked
> off when it spits out a big  black block of ink in an article I can't
> print from a pre-set printjob setup from the web page source.  And my
> 1510 just died on  me so am in need of a new printer so decided on a
> laser printer as I care not for color.
> 
> Thanks for chiming in tho. I do appreciate everyone's help here. You
> all have so much knowledge and we all learn from you.
> 
> Thanks again.  Help and advice much appreciated.

I tired of inkjet printers (and having to replace or fill the
cartridges)  and purchased a factory refurbhished Samsung ML-1710
(discontinued model) B laser printer for $75 US.  Still going strong
11 years later. Fairly low volume. Less than 1000 sheets per year.  And
Linux drivers from Samsung, too.  But looking to replace it with a
duplex printing model with higher resolution for $300 or less.  I'm
patient. So, I can wait for a sale, but whatever I buy, it will be a
Samsung model for sure.

B

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

2017-07-03 Thread Felix Miata

Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-07-03 21:06 (UTC+0200):

> Wellington Terumi Uemura composed:

>> I use Linux since Slackware 2.0, way before Windows 95. And up to Debian
>> 8, I've never, EVER, had to follow that procedure because it worked just
>> fine before.

> Really ?
> Setting the RTC with local time does not work with dual boot because 
> when daylight saving time comes, both systems will do the shift, 
> resulting in a 2 hour shift unless some time synchronization corrects it.

By default yes, but it need not stay that way. All my Windows installations use
local, and all are set to not recognize bi-annual time shifts. My LAN has too
many legacy nodes that only know local, so local it is on all, except for one
that provides no option for local, and another where time is never relevant.

Write time in the future has been common here for years.

I'm guessing OP has a problem due to adjtime missing from initrd because of
systemd's parallel processing having unfortunate timing on his hardware. The
Stretch I have currently booted runs with LOCAL in adjtime, has neither string
"utur" nor "rblock" in its journal, and no adjtime in its initrd.
-- 
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Kernel Panic in VMXNET3 Driver

I had posted earlier that I was having issues with a java program but after
doing some quick digging I've been able to identity the error.  I enabled
logging kernel messages over the network and was able to capture this.
Would appreciate some guidance on where to go from here.

[  118.656721] [ cut here ]
[  118.657261] kernel BUG at
/build/linux-9uDFZV/linux-4.9.30/drivers/net/vmxnet3/vmxnet3_drv.c:1413!
[  118.658106] invalid opcode:  [#1] SMP
[  118.658628] Modules linked in: netconsole configfs sb_edac edac_core
coretemp crct10dif_pclmul ppdev crc32_pclmul vmw_balloon
ghash_clmulni_intel intel_rapl_perf joydev serio_raw pcspkr sg shpchp
vmwgfx vmw_vmci ttm drm_kms_helper drm nfit libnvdimm battery evdev
parport_pc parport ac acpi_cpufreq button ip_tables x_tables autofs4 ext4
crc16 jbd2 crc32c_generic fscrypto ecb mbcache dm_mod sr_mod cdrom sd_mod
ata_generic crc32c_intel aesni_intel aes_x86_64 glue_helper lrw gf128mul
ablk_helper cryptd psmouse ata_piix vmxnet3 vmw_pvscsi i2c_piix4 libata
scsi_mod
[  118.661572] CPU: 0 PID: 891 Comm: java Not tainted 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1
Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2
[  118.662153] Hardware name: VMware, Inc. VMware Virtual Platform/440BX
Desktop Reference Platform, BIOS 6.00 04/05/2016
[  118.663136] task: 8dd87882a0c0 task.stack: a9998147
[  118.663695] RIP: 0010:[]  []
vmxnet3_rq_rx_complete+0x905/0xf10 [vmxnet3]
[  118.664735] RSP: :8dd87fc03e38  EFLAGS: 00010297
[  118.665279] RAX:  RBX:  RCX:
8dd878ad5a00
[  118.665857] RDX: 0040 RSI: 0001 RDI:
0040
[  118.666426] RBP: 0001 R08:  R09:
0028
[  118.666984] R10:  R11: 8dd8369688c0 R12:
8dd8369690c0
[  118.667613] R13: 8dd835ea8330 R14: 8dd87c192010 R15:
8dd835ed8018
[  118.668172] FS:  7f1b1974e700() GS:8dd87fc0()
knlGS:
[  118.668723] CS:  0010 DS:  ES:  CR0: 80050033
[  118.669310] CR2: 7f1ad63e2fd8 CR3: 7bcac000 CR4:
003406f0
[  118.669892] DR0:  DR1:  DR2:

[  118.670520] DR3:  DR6: fffe0ff0 DR7:
0400
[  118.671099] Stack:
[  118.671677]  8dd836969190 0047 0002
8dd8369690e0
[  118.672313]  b22b002d 8dd8369688c0 
8dd8369688c0
[  118.672950]   8dd8369688c0 8dd8369690e0
0040
[  118.673603] Call Trace:
[  118.674166]   [  118.674180]  [] ?
task_numa_fault+0x6ed/0xd20
[  118.674876]  [] ? vmxnet3_poll_rx_only+0x35/0xa0
[vmxnet3]
[  118.675479]  [] ? net_rx_action+0x240/0x370
[  118.676099]  [] ? __do_softirq+0x105/0x290
[  118.676681]  [] ? irq_exit+0xae/0xb0
[  118.677294]  [] ? do_IRQ+0x4f/0xd0
[  118.677971]  [] ? common_interrupt+0x82/0x82
[  118.678522]   [  118.678532] Code:
89 54 24 28 e8 9d 72 4e f2 0f b6 44 24 30 4c 8b 5c 24 38 4c 8b 54 24 28 49
c7 84 24 48 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 89 c6 e9 59 f8 ff ff <0f> 0b 0f 0b 49 83
84 24 a0 01 00 00 01 49 c7 84 24 48 01 00 00
[  118.680438] RIP  [] vmxnet3_rq_rx_complete+0x905/0xf10
[vmxnet3]
[  118.681063]  RSP 
[  118.681676] ---[ end trace 5927dc1afdb8f3dd ]---
[  118.682244] Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
[  118.682880] Kernel Offset: 0x3120 from 0x8100
(relocation range: 0x8000-0xbfff)
[  118.683993] ---[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in
interrupt

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Martin Read


On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:

Is there a pure Debian alternative?


There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit (install 
the package "sysvinit-core" to use this as your init daemon), and there 
are several solutions for service management.


(I might humbly suggest, in passing, that your choice of Subject: header 
is unnecessarily inflammatory and the interrogative "How do I replace 
systemd?" would have been much better than the imperative "Replace 
systemd" :)

Re: mise a jour vers Stretch sur vps OVH

2017-07-03 Thread Sébastien Dinot

Bonjour,

- Mail original -
> Je reconfigure (non sans galérer encore, car le bootloader est
> extlinux que je ne connais pas) le boot pour démarrer sur le
> 4.9.0-3. Au boot, plus de ens3. Je fais un 'ip link', et mon
> eth0 est revenue ! Reconfiguration de networkd, et le réseau
> revient.

« Amusant », il y a huit jours, je me suis retrouvé avec un serveur dédié en 
carafe chez OVH après une mise à jour de Stretch. La machine était injoignable 
et semblait stagner en phase de boot (elle répondait au ping mais aucun service 
ne semblait lancé - même pas le serveur SSH - et aucune trace d'activité 
n'apparaissait dans les journaux). Après pas mal d'essais infructueux, parmi 
lesquels une réinstallation du noyau 4.9.0-3, faute d'idée plus lumineuse, j'ai 
finalement remédié au problème en supprimant la mise à jour du noyau Linux 
(mise à jour qui m'avait amené à rebooter le serveur), rétrogradant de la 
version 4.9.0-3 à la version 4.9.0-2.

Plus curieux, ce jour-là, la même mise à jour de noyau Linux a eu lieu sur une 
demi-douzaine de serveurs dédiés OVH que j'administre. Hormis celui dont je 
viens de parler, tous ont rebooté sans encombre !

Sébastien

-- 
Sébastien Dinot, sebastien.di...@free.fr
http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/
Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer !

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Dejan Jocic

On 03-07-17, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> I run Debian on my laptops and several servers.
> 
> On my laptop I've had several recent occasions when it has been irksome
> to try and find the cause of a service not starting or shutting down,
> and I've concluded that I'd like to move away from systemd as I don't
> like the binary log.
> 
> This isn't a conceptual/design issue as I don't know enough of init
> fundamentals to make an informed judgement. It also isn't related to the
> recent Slashdot article about DNS crashes and root privs escalation.
> https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/07/03/0343258/severe-systemd-bug-allowed-remote-code-execution-for-two-years
> or the (possibly incorrectly reported) statements by Lennart Poettering
> noted at "What are the pros/cons of Upstart and systemd?"
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5877/what-are-the-pros-cons-of-upstart-and-systemd
> 
> I additionally find the configuration and documentation off-putting.
> These are trivial points, but the classic /etc config files seem to be
> being replaced with ini style files with non-explicit defaults. The
> documentation is wordy and also sometimes obtuse. e.g. "To disable a
> configuration file supplied by the vendor, the recommended way is to
> place a symlink to /dev/null in the configuration directory" and
> repeated references to "vendors" (which is almost certainly the wrong
> word).
> 
> Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use
> an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My
> laptop doesn't feel like my machine anymore.
> 
> Is there a pure Debian alternative?
> 
> Thanks
> Rory
> 

You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Explained here:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00538.html

If you would prefer that it is some derivate/fork of Debian without
systemd, I do not have personal experience with those, but I'm sure that
you will get few hints.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...




On 07/03/2017 12:39 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Monday 03 July 2017 10:41:13 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every
month even when I'm not printing much.

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be
more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or
ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting
clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity environment
making the toner get too humid to work properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
until you've considered the cause of the problem...

Yes I would, buy a new printer.  The just over $100 USD brother HL21XX
b laser printer I have is going on 6 years old, is on its third toner
cartridge, has printed 30 or so reams of paper, at 19ppm if the driving
computer can feed it that fast.  And its still printing like it was
brand new.

The one disadvantage for linux purists is that you must use the free to
download and install, brother driver.

And, because I needed a  tabloid format printer, 11x17 inches
occasionally, I bought one of the brother ink jets, an MFC-6920DW
which also claims good ppm's but does NOT deliver. Its about 1.5ppm at
best, and gain you must use the brother drivers which are partially
broken in the when it wakes up the printer to start a job, the first 6
packets it sends have a bad tcp checksum before it sends good data.
Thats 6 seconds wasted right there.  Its actually a pretty fast copier.
So the network connect is a bottleneck. It self exercises at about 4
hour intervals, keeping nozzles clean, but doesn't seem to waste a lot
of ink doing it as I'm perhaps halfway thru the first set of refills at
a dozen reams of paper, some of it glossy and most std 24 lb copy paper.
I have it setup at an address on my local network because the inputs are
internal, and I'd have to buy and put another usb hub near it because
the input connectors are a rather circuitous route thru trenches in the
top of the printer floor under the scanner and that uses up around 30
inches of a usb cables maximum length. It was expedient to use the LAN
connector as my switch was well within reach. But I don't think it runs
at gigabit speeds, and thats the pages a minute bottleneck. My network
is all gigabit, but the printer spends a lot of time waiting on data.

OTOH, the asking price at the local Staples was under $300, so I guess I
got what I paid for. Ink is individual tanks, and easily outlasts the
last Epson ink jet I had, which despite its exercise that wasted 2/3rds
of the ink I used, clogged its head in about a month the first time.
And I kept it for its scanner for a while but the scanner in this
brother is 10x faster, does better color, with an ADF to boot.  Other
than its print speed, whats not to like? 20x the ink lifetime at less
than the Epson price per color on the pegboards at the store.  I'll buy
it again if it lasts as long as its baby brother laser has.  Its in its
second year and I have NOT had to "clean the nozzles".

No, I don't work for brother, I'm just a retired 82 year old fart,
puttering about in the garage with metal cutting machines, CNC versions
which I've done the conversion to CNC myself.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

Thank you Gene.  Much appreciated.
whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

On 07/03/2017 03:22 PM, David Christensen wrote:

On 07/03/17 04:41, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300). I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much. Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
to work. Which ones work easillyl, if any? Thanking in advance.

Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range. Just wondering if
there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.

Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit

I have a HP P2055dn:

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-LaserJet-P2000-Printer-series/3662052/model/3662058/

It's on my Gigabit SOHO LAN and is supported OOTB by Debian GNU/Linux,
FreeBSD, and Windows XP, Vista, and 7. I like the LAN connection,
duplexing, and speed. I don't like the flimsy plastic construction,
the overpriced HP toner cartridges, or the cheap generic cartridges
that smear/haze after a few reams.

I was able to catch a sale a Staples when HP was also offering a
trade-in bonus (I gave them my old LaserJet 4).

You can find them used on eBay for ~$60+.

David

Thank you David

And thank you all you guys. You are all very helpful with your
recommendations and info. I'm acutally feeling better about this now
that I may actually get a printer working soon. Again, thank all you
guys... So much.

Whit

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Jim Ohlstein

Hello,

On 07/03/2017 03:42 PM, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> I run Debian on my laptops and several servers.
> 
> On my laptop I've had several recent occasions when it has been irksome
> to try and find the cause of a service not starting or shutting down,
> and I've concluded that I'd like to move away from systemd as I don't
> like the binary log.
> 
> This isn't a conceptual/design issue as I don't know enough of init
> fundamentals to make an informed judgement. It also isn't related to the
> recent Slashdot article about DNS crashes and root privs escalation.
> https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/07/03/0343258/severe-systemd-bug-allowed-remote-code-execution-for-two-years
> or the (possibly incorrectly reported) statements by Lennart Poettering
> noted at "What are the pros/cons of Upstart and systemd?"
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5877/what-are-the-pros-cons-of-upstart-and-systemd
> 
> I additionally find the configuration and documentation off-putting.
> These are trivial points, but the classic /etc config files seem to be
> being replaced with ini style files with non-explicit defaults. The
> documentation is wordy and also sometimes obtuse. e.g. "To disable a
> configuration file supplied by the vendor, the recommended way is to
> place a symlink to /dev/null in the configuration directory" and
> repeated references to "vendors" (which is almost certainly the wrong
> word).
> 
> Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use
> an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My
> laptop doesn't feel like my machine anymore.
> 
> Is there a pure Debian alternative?

Have a look at https://devuan.org/.


-- 
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Professional Mailman Hosting
https://mailman-hosting.com



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Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Greg Wooledge

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:42:11PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use
> an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My
> laptop doesn't feel like my machine anymore.
> 
> Is there a pure Debian alternative?

You may switch to one of the other init systems.  Assuming stretch
(Debian 9):

To use sysvinit, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot.

To use runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install
runit-init", and reboot again.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...




On 07/03/2017 02:46 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 12:39:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Monday 03 July 2017 10:41:13 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every
month even when I'm not printing much.

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be
more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or
ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting
clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity environment
making the toner get too humid to work properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
until you've considered the cause of the problem...

Yes I would, buy a new printer.  The just over $100 USD brother HL21XX
b laser printer I have is going on 6 years old, is on its third toner
cartridge, has printed 30 or so reams of paper, at 19ppm if the driving
computer can feed it that fast.  And its still printing like it was
brand new.

The one disadvantage for linux purists is that you must use the free to
download and install, brother driver.

A Brother with all of:

- ethernet networking
- duplex
- BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
   GhostScript)

will not need a driver.

Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)

-dsr-



Thank you so much Dan.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...




On 07/03/2017 01:41 PM, Tom Dial wrote:


On 07/03/2017 05:41 AM, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

I recommend looking at Hewlett-Packard printers, toward the middle or
high end of your desired price range. I have used them for quite a few
years, from the 1020 and P1505 to the M477 multifunction printer.

Using CUPS and hplip, the support is generally complete and pretty
current, and not hard to set up, even for Windows systems on the same
network. Given that CUPS originally was an Apple product, it should be
pretty easy to use any of them with a networked Apple system as well.

For printers in the small/medium business line, warranty service also is
very good, at least if you purchase directly from HP and incur the
additional cost that goes with that.

Full disclosure: I do own Hewlett-Packard shares, although not enough
that I would likely benefit measurably from sale of a few more printers
or toner cartridges.



Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if
there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.

Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit


Thanks Tom. I have ordered out the printe that Adam recommended and pray 
that I can get it to work as I'm totally frustrated w. this printer 
issue.  But if I can't I will be sure to follow your advice and se what 
HP has available too.  As mentioned before i had already tried to find 
laser printers from the lnux list and they were too high priced or 
unavailable.   But will go back and try again if need be.


Thanks a bunch for your reply and recommendations.  Much appreciated.
whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread rhkramer

On Monday, July 03, 2017 11:54:34 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> Thanks for your reply,  

You're welcome!

> Maybe I should have prefaced that statement with
> a "for me" phrase.  I do print out a number of articles during a month
> but I used to have an hp722 printer and that cartridge held 2-3 times
> the ink my last printer held.  AND I was able to refill the 722 and the
> last one, an hp psc1510.  But for some reason in the last year I have
> been unable to get a successful refill on the 1510 and so am having to
> keep purchasing cartridges.  It uses a small cartridge and I have cut
> back on my printing considerably and really get honked off when it spits
> out a big  black block of ink in an article I can't print from a pre-set
> printjob setup from the web page source.  And my 1510 just died on  me
> so am in need of a new printer so decided on a laser printer as I care
> not for color.

I still have (and use) a Canon BJC-3000 printer, and a NIB spare--the 
cartridges are super easy to refill, and, I add just a "hair" of rubbing 
alcohol which seems to keep the ink cartridges from clogging.  No chips, no 
need for a  vacuum--just remove the (now screw) plug, inject ink, replace the 
screw.

Wish they kept making them that way!

> Thanks for chiming in tho. I do appreciate everyone's help here. You all
> have so much knowledge and we all learn from you.
> 
> Thanks again.  Help and advice much appreciated.
> 
> Whit

Replace systemd

2017-07-03 Thread Rory Campbell-Lange

I run Debian on my laptops and several servers.

On my laptop I've had several recent occasions when it has been irksome
to try and find the cause of a service not starting or shutting down,
and I've concluded that I'd like to move away from systemd as I don't
like the binary log.

This isn't a conceptual/design issue as I don't know enough of init
fundamentals to make an informed judgement. It also isn't related to the
recent Slashdot article about DNS crashes and root privs escalation.
https://it.slashdot.org/story/17/07/03/0343258/severe-systemd-bug-allowed-remote-code-execution-for-two-years
or the (possibly incorrectly reported) statements by Lennart Poettering
noted at "What are the pros/cons of Upstart and systemd?"
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5877/what-are-the-pros-cons-of-upstart-and-systemd

I additionally find the configuration and documentation off-putting.
These are trivial points, but the classic /etc config files seem to be
being replaced with ini style files with non-explicit defaults. The
documentation is wordy and also sometimes obtuse. e.g. "To disable a
configuration file supplied by the vendor, the recommended way is to
place a symlink to /dev/null in the configuration directory" and
repeated references to "vendors" (which is almost certainly the wrong
word).

Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use
an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My
laptop doesn't feel like my machine anymore.

Is there a pure Debian alternative?

Thanks
Rory

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

2017-07-03 Thread Nicolas George

Le quintidi 15 messidor, an CCXXV, Wellington Terumi Uemura a écrit :
> I have no idea why they are forcing the use o UTC, local time was doing just
> fine. My TV doesn't use UTC, my router (OpenWRT) doesn't use UTC, my phone
> (Samsung S7 Edge) doesn't use UTC, it doesn't even has settings for UTC, my
> printer (Brother HL4150CDN) it doesn't use UTC.

You are wrong, they all use UTC, you just did not know it because you
behave as a simple customer, not bothering to look at the innards.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.


On 03-07-2017 16:42, David Wright wrote:

The discussion is not about units, but about reference points.¹

The discussion also is not about reference points, but what is right to do.


I don't need UTC, many people around the world doesn't neither, leave UTC
for those who need it.


True; before the dawn of railways, everyone lived on local time.

It was working.


We can avoid a lot of mess with that.


I have no idea what the mess is that you're trying to avoid
by using local time.
I have no idea why they are forcing the use o UTC, local time was doing 
just fine. My TV doesn't use UTC, my router (OpenWRT) doesn't use UTC, 
my phone (Samsung S7 Edge) doesn't use UTC, it doesn't even has settings 
for UTC, my printer (Brother HL4150CDN) it doesn't use UTC.


Why create all this trouble?

All I'm trying to avoid is to prevent fsck from scanning my discs every 
single time I boot the computer and because some one removed 
/etc/adjtime from initramfs.



Em 3 de jul de 2017 12:03, "David Wright" 
escreveu:


The future could get complicated for people not running on UTC
if time offsets of a few seconds start to arise. AIUI timezones
as presently implemented can't handle that.


¹ personally, the most inconvenient thing about US units is
the chaotic paper size system as there's no real way round it.
The reason that _does_ involve the units is of course that the
physical paper sizes are derived _from_ the units.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.


We already know that information, Pascal. That is not the issue.

On 03-07-2017 16:06, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 02/07/2017 à 23:08, Wellington Terumi Uemura a écrit :

I use Linux since Slackware 2.0, way before Windows 95. And up to Debian
8, I've never, EVER, had to follow that procedure because it worked just
fine before.


Really ?
Setting the RTC with local time does not work with dual boot because
when daylight saving time comes, both systems will do the shift,
resulting in a 2 hour shift unless some time synchronization corrects it.

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 13:00:24 (-0300), Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:
> I could say the same for for US not using a metric system, you don't change
> this by force even if it is right.

The discussion is not about units, but about reference points.¹

> I don't need UTC, many people around the world doesn't neither, leave UTC
> for those who need it.

True; before the dawn of railways, everyone lived on local time.

> We can avoid a lot of mess with that.

I have no idea what the mess is that you're trying to avoid
by using local time.

> Em 3 de jul de 2017 12:03, "David Wright" 
> escreveu:
> 
> 
> The future could get complicated for people not running on UTC
> if time offsets of a few seconds start to arise. AIUI timezones
> as presently implemented can't handle that.

¹ personally, the most inconvenient thing about US units is
the chaotic paper size system as there's no real way round it.
The reason that _does_ involve the units is of course that the
physical paper sizes are derived _from_ the units.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Debian v9 and auto logoff

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> and platen heated with no timeout to shut it down.  Otherwise, I
> would have never noticed this whole thing.

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Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread David Christensen


On 07/03/17 04:41, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if
there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.

Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit


I have a HP P2055dn:

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-LaserJet-P2000-Printer-series/3662052/model/3662058/


It's on my Gigabit SOHO LAN and is supported OOTB by Debian GNU/Linux, 
FreeBSD, and Windows XP, Vista, and 7.  I like the LAN connection, 
duplexing, and speed.  I don't like the flimsy plastic construction, the 
overpriced HP toner cartridges, or the cheap generic cartridges that 
smear/haze after a few reams.



I was able to catch a sale a Staples when HP was also offering a 
trade-in bonus (I gave them my old LaserJet 4).



You can find them used on eBay for ~$60+.


David

Re: He

2017-07-03 Thread S

As versões mais recentes do thunderbird tem o botão "Re: Lista", salvou 
a pátria.


Vinicius

Em 01/07/2017 16:09, Humberto A. Sousa escreveu:
Uso o Thunderbird, aqui só respondo para a lista.


Saudações,


Humberto Araujo de Sousa
r
Em 29/06/2017 23:07, Gilberto F da Silva escreveu:

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 04:06:32PM -0400, Thiago C. F. wrote:

Fala Gilberto. Aqui novamente.

Então... como não faço parte de outra lista de email, para mim aqui sem
problemas.

Eu clico em "Responder a todos", seleciono o email da lista e apago o
restante dos remetentes que me aparecem.

   Então!  Poderia ser mais simples se a respostas sempre fossem para a
   lista.  Sei que isso não vai mudar.  Tem bem uns 15 anos que reclamo
   disso.

Re: Thinkpad R40e can't boot Debian 9.0.0 netinst image without acpi=off

2017-07-03 Thread deloptes

Olivier F. R. Dierick wrote:

> acpi=off

I don't know about the kernel

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R40e

but you better check if your ATI will be supported with the recent X
server ;)



regards

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

2017-07-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg


Le 02/07/2017 à 23:08, Wellington Terumi Uemura a écrit :

I use Linux since Slackware 2.0, way before Windows 95. And up to Debian
8, I've never, EVER, had to follow that procedure because it worked just
fine before.


Really ?
Setting the RTC with local time does not work with dual boot because 
when daylight saving time comes, both systems will do the shift, 
resulting in a 2 hour shift unless some time synchronization corrects it.

Re: Disk Access

2017-07-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg


Le 02/07/2017 à 22:33, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :


BTW, this hints against Hans's guess that only FAT or NTFS are
auto-mounted. This file system is being mounted.


I do not see such a guess in any of the two Hans's posts in this thread.

Also the filesystem was mounted more than 10 seconds after the drive was 
discovered, so it could have been mounted manually as well.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread Dan Ritter

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 12:39:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 03 July 2017 10:41:13 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> > > Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
> > > is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
> > > interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every
> > > month even when I'm not printing much.
> >
> > Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be
> > more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or
> > ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting
> > clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity environment
> > making the toner get too humid to work properly?
> >
> > If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
> > until you've considered the cause of the problem...
> 
> Yes I would, buy a new printer.  The just over $100 USD brother HL21XX 
> b laser printer I have is going on 6 years old, is on its third toner 
> cartridge, has printed 30 or so reams of paper, at 19ppm if the driving 
> computer can feed it that fast.  And its still printing like it was 
> brand new.
> 
> The one disadvantage for linux purists is that you must use the free to 
> download and install, brother driver.

A Brother with all of:

- ethernet networking
- duplex
- BR/Script3 (Their PostScript clone, which I think is actually
  GhostScript)

will not need a driver.

Current examples: HL-L5100N ($170), HL-L6200DW ($250)

-dsr-

Thinkpad R40e can't boot Debian 9.0.0 netinst image without acpi=off

2017-07-03 Thread Olivier F. R. Dierick

Hi,

I wanted to file a bug report, but I don't know which package the issue
belongs to.

The computer is a IBM Thinkpad R40e.

Currently Debian 8 is installed. Ever since Debian 8 was installed on
the harddrive I had to add acpi=off to the kernel options, otherwise the
computer does not boot. No other acpi/clock/irq option mentioned on
Internet works. Blacklisting the acpi_cpufreq or any other acpi* module
does not fix the issue.

The Debian 8 live CD image used to install the system does not have the
issue. The previous OS was Debian 7 Wheezy and it did not have the
issue.

Now I'm trying to upgrade to Debian 9 by reinstalling the system from
scratch. I've downloaded the debian 9.0.0 netinst install.

The netinst image is copied with command dd to an USB key.
The computer boots on the key and the first menu appears.
I select "Graphical Install".
The light on the USB key blinks a few minutes.
After a while, the screen goes black with a static(=not blinking) text
cursor in the corner. No disk, USB or other activity visible. No
reaction to Ctrl+Alt+DEL or any keypress. The computer is stuck in that
state and only a poweroff (hold powerbutton 4 sec) does work.

Pressing TAB in the menu when "Graphical Install" is highlighted and
adding acpi=off to the kernel options does prevent the lock and allows
the graphical installer to start.

I repeated the same steps with the Debian 8.6.0 netinst image and the
issue is not present (at least not until Debian is installed on the hard
drive).

I guess there was some change in kernel config after the Debian 8 live
cd/netinst images were built. This change prevents the default kernel
from booting on the Thinkpad R40e. This change is now part of the Debian
9.0.0 netinst image.
-- 
Olivier F. R. Dierick
o.dier...@piezo-forte.be

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread Tom Dial

On 07/03/2017 05:41 AM, Whit Hansell wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
> currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
> finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
> I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it
> to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

I recommend looking at Hewlett-Packard printers, toward the middle or
high end of your desired price range. I have used them for quite a few
years, from the 1020 and P1505 to the M477 multifunction printer.

Using CUPS and hplip, the support is generally complete and pretty
current, and not hard to set up, even for Windows systems on the same
network. Given that CUPS originally was an Apple product, it should be
pretty easy to use any of them with a networked Apple system as well.

For printers in the small/medium business line, warranty service also is
very good, at least if you purchase directly from HP and incur the
additional cost that goes with that.

Full disclosure: I do own Hewlett-Packard shares, although not enough
that I would likely benefit measurably from sale of a few more printers
or toner cartridges.

> 
> Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux
> printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $
> 1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if
> there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.
> 
> Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Whit

Stretch: merkaartor: is it working ?

2017-07-03 Thread Jerome BENOIT

Hello Forum,

I have just tried merkaartor on my Stretch box:
so far I cannot make it works as within Jessie:
does anyone observed the same ?
Any hint is welcome.

Thanks,
Jerome

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread Doug



On 07/03/2017 06:41 AM, Whit Hansell wrote:
Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is 
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in 
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when 
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it 
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.


Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux 
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $ 
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering 
if there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.


Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit


I have been using an hplj-pro-m201 (HP LaserJet Pro m-201) for about a 
year or so. It works nicely with Linux. The driver comes right up in 
PCLinuxOS, so no problem installing it.
Reasonably fast. Not very expensive. I don't remember what I paid for 
it, but it's certainly under $200. I print a lot of notes on various 
things Linux and ham radio, and miscellaneous,
and it has so far been completely reliable. I don't think it runs 
wireless, but I don't remember. I run it on my lan via CAT-5 cable.


--doug

bug de gstreamer1.0 et buster

2017-07-03 Thread maderios


Bonjour
Récemment, après une mise à jour de gstreamer1.0, il est devenu 
impossible de lire des .mp3 avec des appli basées sur gstreamer comme 
amarok et clementine.
En attendant la correction, une solution pour éviter de s'arracher les 
cheveux: supprimer ~/.cache/gstreamer-1.0/registry.*.bin

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=866339
--
Maderios

Re: Kan niet meer printen

2017-07-03 Thread Geert Stappers

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 06:23:08PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Op 03-07-17 om 16:17 schreef Cecil Westerhof:
> > In eerste instantie kon ik gewoon printen, maar om een of andere reden
> > lukt dat niet meer. Heb zelfs een reboot gedaan, maar ik kan nog
> > steeds niet printen. In de logging zie ik:
> > io/hpmud/musb.c 1152: unable to open hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_5200?serial=???
> > prnt/backend/hp.c 824: ERROR: open device failed stat=12: 
> > hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_5200?serial=???
> > 
> > Wat kan het probleem zijn?
> 
> Kijk eens in http://localhost:631
> Klik op het tabblad "printers"
> Kijk achter de printer wat de status is
> Wellicht is hij gepauseerd door een storing, klik op de printer, druk
> dan op de knop maintenance, en dan resume.
> 
> Haal eventueel de inhoud van /etc/cups uit een backup.
> 

Mijn inschatting is, dat het een losse kabel is.
Mijn websearch bracht me naar https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2224398
maar daar bleek dat er een oude udev rule in de weg zat.


Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Leven en laten leven

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

2017-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett

On Monday 03 July 2017 11:02:56 David Wright wrote:

> On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 09:38:12 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 06:08:31PM -0300, Wellington Terumi Uemura 
wrote:
> > > I use Linux since Slackware 2.0, way before Windows 95. And up to
> > > Debian 8, I've never, EVER, had to follow that procedure because
> > > it worked just fine before. I'm using Debian like what, 10 years
> > > now.
> > >
> > > Why do I have to change a registry because something in Debian 9
> > > is not syncing the time correctly with the hard drive before a
> > > reboot?
> > >
> > > Just to make sure, I've reinstalled Debian 8 and the issue is
> > > gone, it happens again with 9 so, I'm not changing that registry.
> > >
> > > This is a Debian 9 issue.
> >
> > Yes, I agree that this doesn't look like a time initialization
> > issue or a hardware clock issue.
>
> The future could get complicated for people not running on UTC
> if time offsets of a few seconds start to arise. AIUI timezones
> as presently implemented can't handle that.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

I put my hdwe clocks on UCT 18 years ago with my first redhat 5.0 
install. The tz files have kept pace for me, so its  not been a problem 
other that one install in 2002 set it to local but didn't set the hdwe 
clock, so on the next reboot, it set the arrival times of 6 messages 
before I noticed it, to sometime in 2020. Its a mailing list I do not 
expire but even if I did set one, those 6 msgs would still be there.  
Shrug

Lesson #10 for linux, put the hardware clock on UCT, set /your/ time zone 
in the locale, and forget about it.  It Just Works(TM)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread Gene Heskett

On Monday 03 July 2017 10:41:13 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> > Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that
> > is currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am
> > interested in finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every
> > month even when I'm not printing much.
>
> Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be
> more specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or
> ink cartridge)-- is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting
> clogged, or maybe a laser printer in a high humidity environment
> making the toner get too humid to work properly?
>
> If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer
> until you've considered the cause of the problem...

Yes I would, buy a new printer.  The just over $100 USD brother HL21XX 
b laser printer I have is going on 6 years old, is on its third toner 
cartridge, has printed 30 or so reams of paper, at 19ppm if the driving 
computer can feed it that fast.  And its still printing like it was 
brand new.

The one disadvantage for linux purists is that you must use the free to 
download and install, brother driver.

And, because I needed a  tabloid format printer, 11x17 inches 
occasionally, I bought one of the brother ink jets, an MFC-6920DW
which also claims good ppm's but does NOT deliver. Its about 1.5ppm at 
best, and gain you must use the brother drivers which are partially 
broken in the when it wakes up the printer to start a job, the first 6 
packets it sends have a bad tcp checksum before it sends good data.  
Thats 6 seconds wasted right there.  Its actually a pretty fast copier. 
So the network connect is a bottleneck. It self exercises at about 4 
hour intervals, keeping nozzles clean, but doesn't seem to waste a lot 
of ink doing it as I'm perhaps halfway thru the first set of refills at 
a dozen reams of paper, some of it glossy and most std 24 lb copy paper.
I have it setup at an address on my local network because the inputs are 
internal, and I'd have to buy and put another usb hub near it because 
the input connectors are a rather circuitous route thru trenches in the 
top of the printer floor under the scanner and that uses up around 30 
inches of a usb cables maximum length. It was expedient to use the LAN 
connector as my switch was well within reach. But I don't think it runs 
at gigabit speeds, and thats the pages a minute bottleneck. My network 
is all gigabit, but the printer spends a lot of time waiting on data.

OTOH, the asking price at the local Staples was under $300, so I guess I 
got what I paid for. Ink is individual tanks, and easily outlasts the 
last Epson ink jet I had, which despite its exercise that wasted 2/3rds 
of the ink I used, clogged its head in about a month the first time.  
And I kept it for its scanner for a while but the scanner in this 
brother is 10x faster, does better color, with an ADF to boot.  Other 
than its print speed, whats not to like? 20x the ink lifetime at less 
than the Epson price per color on the pegboards at the store.  I'll buy 
it again if it lasts as long as its baby brother laser has.  Its in its 
second year and I have NOT had to "clean the nozzles".

No, I don't work for brother, I'm just a retired 82 year old fart, 
puttering about in the garage with metal cutting machines, CNC versions 
which I've done the conversion to CNC myself.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page

Re: Remotely exploitable bug in systemd (CVE-2017-9445)

2017-07-03 Thread Larry Dighera

On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 16:36:41 -0400, you wrote:

>Howdy! CVE-2017-9445 is a remotely exploitable bug in systemd. It was
>first announced to the public about four or five days ago, not sure
>when it would have been announced to the security team.
>
>Am I correct in interpreting this:
>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-9445
>as meaning a fix to it still isn't in sid, and therefore is not
>yet in the process of percolating down to stretch?
>
>Is there a preferred way of temporarily mitigating the problem?
>Remote exploitation that you can trigger by forcing a program to DNS
>queries seems kind of bad.
>
>Perry

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-9445
NameCVE-2017-9445
Description In systemd through 233, certain sizes passed to
dns_packet_new in systemd-resolved can cause it to allocate a buffer
that's too small. A malicious DNS server can exploit this via a
response with a specially crafted TCP payload to trick
systemd-resolved into allocating a buffer that's too small, and
subsequently write arbitrary data beyond the end of it.

Notes:
[stretch] - systemd  (Minor issue, systemd-resolved not
enabled by default)

Re: Kan niet meer printen

2017-07-03 Thread Paul van der Vlis

Op 03-07-17 om 16:17 schreef Cecil Westerhof:
> In eerste instantie kon ik gewoon printen, maar om een of andere reden
> lukt dat niet meer. Heb zelfs een reboot gedaan, maar ik kan nog
> steeds niet printen. In de logging zie ik:
> io/hpmud/musb.c 1152: unable to open hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_5200?serial=…
> prnt/backend/hp.c 824: ERROR: open device failed stat=12: 
> hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_5200?serial=…
> 
> Wat kan het probleem zijn?

Kijk eens in http://localhost:631
Klik op het tabblad "printers"
Kijk achter de printer wat de status is
Wellicht is hij gepauseerd door een storing, klik op de printer, druk
dan op de knop maintenance, en dan resume.

Haal eventueel de inhoud van /etc/cups uit een backup.

Groeten,
Paul



-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/

Nvidia legacy driver install..


On another note,

just checking to see if anyone has used the nvidia driver (304 series) 
install and if there were any problems that arose or needed to be 
resolved either before or after the installation?


thanks,
tony

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

I could say the same for for US not using a metric system, you don't change
this by force even if it is right.

I don't need UTC, many people around the world doesn't neither, leave UTC
for those who need it.

We can avoid a lot of mess with that.

Em 3 de jul de 2017 12:03, "David Wright" 
escreveu:


The future could get complicated for people not running on UTC
if time offsets of a few seconds start to arise. AIUI timezones
as presently implemented can't handle that.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...




On 07/03/2017 10:41 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
I'm not printing much.

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be more
specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or ink cartridge)--
is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting clogged, or maybe a laser
printer in a high humidity environment making the toner get too humid to work
properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer until
you've considered the cause of the problem...


Thanks for your reply,  Maybe I should have prefaced that statement with 
a "for me" phrase.  I do print out a number of articles during a month 
but I used to have an hp722 printer and that cartridge held 2-3 times 
the ink my last printer held.  AND I was able to refill the 722 and the 
last one, an hp psc1510.  But for some reason in the last year I have 
been unable to get a successful refill on the 1510 and so am having to 
keep purchasing cartridges.  It uses a small cartridge and I have cut 
back on my printing considerably and really get honked off when it spits 
out a big  black block of ink in an article I can't print from a pre-set 
printjob setup from the web page source.  And my 1510 just died on  me 
so am in need of a new printer so decided on a laser printer as I care 
not for color.


Thanks for chiming in tho. I do appreciate everyone's help here. You all 
have so much knowledge and we all learn from you.


Thanks again.  Help and advice much appreciated.

Whit

Re: Debian v9 and auto logoff



Not worth the bother, I agree.
I just removed all the autostart stuff and that seems to work.

Tony


On 07/03/2017 08:43 AM, Curt wrote:

On 2017-07-03, tony mollica  wrote:

Thanks for the link.  Very interesting.
The link mentions a light-locker-settings package or configuration.  It
would nice to know if that package/application actually produces the
light-locker.conf file.


Yeah, apparently there's a config utility call light-locker-settings,
which a creates a config file in your user directory
(~/.config/autostart/light-locker.desktop).

What you would want would be the '--late-locking' flag, blanking the
screen using xset and locking the session upon the deactivation of the
X11 screen saver instead of upon activation.  But the theoretically
brief period of time between moving the mouse and logging in at the
greeter your printing app would be suspended. This, as I understand it,
is the workaround in the link I gave you.

It doesn't seem worth the bother, frankly.

Re: Debian v9 and auto logoff

2017-07-03 Thread Curt

On 2017-07-03, tony mollica  wrote:
> Thanks for the link.  Very interesting.
> The link mentions a light-locker-settings package or configuration.  It 
> would nice to know if that package/application actually produces the 
> light-locker.conf file.

Yeah, apparently there's a config utility call light-locker-settings,
which a creates a config file in your user directory
(~/.config/autostart/light-locker.desktop).

What you would want would be the '--late-locking' flag, blanking the
screen using xset and locking the session upon the deactivation of the
X11 screen saver instead of upon activation.  But the theoretically
brief period of time between moving the mouse and logging in at the
greeter your printing app would be suspended. This, as I understand it,
is the workaround in the link I gave you.

It doesn't seem worth the bother, frankly.

-- 
“Yeah yeah.” --Sidney Morgenbesser's retort to a speaker who said that although
there are many cases in which two negatives make a positive, he knew of no case
in which two positives made a negative.

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 09:28:36 (-0400), Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> On 7/3/17, to...@tuxteam.de  wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:25:58AM -0300, Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:
> >> Looks like people can't make up their minds, /etc/adjtime is missing
> >> from initramfs.
> >>
> >> root@Dragon:/boot# lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64|grep etc
> >> etc
> >> etc/ld.so.cache
> >> etc/mtab
> >> etc/ld.so.conf.d
> >> etc/ld.so.conf.d/zz_i386-biarch-compat.conf
> >> etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf
> >> etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf
> >> etc/udev
> >> etc/udev/udev.conf
> >> etc/ld.so.conf
> >> etc/fstab
> >> etc/modprobe.d
> >> etc/modprobe.d/cx23885.conf
> >> etc/modprobe.d/amd64-microcode-blacklist.conf
> >> etc/modprobe.d/sp5100_tco-blacklist.conf
> >>
> >> And people say that this is the problem.
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1198761
> >>
> >> Looks like all we need to do is to add /etc/adjtime back to initramfs.
> >
> > Hmm, yes -- initramfs and the "up and running" OS should agree on what
> > corrections to apply to the time read from the hwclock; if not, it
> > sounds plausible that initramfs (who is mounting root, and thus checking
> > the superblock) has a different notion of time than the OS, who has
> > synced out the superblock on last shutdown.
> >
> > I can't work out the details, but what you say makes a lot of sense.
> 
> 
> I don't know if this will help, but this topic is fresh in mind
> because I am right in the middle of finishing out a successful (3 day
> k/t dialup) debootstrap of Buster. Addressing /etc/adjtime is one of
> the manual steps in the debootstrap process because that file doesn't
> exist until it is manually created early on.
> 
> The process *for me* is to create a new file /etc/adjtime and add the
> following 3 lines to it:
> 
> 0.0 0 0.0
> 0
> UTC
> 
> After that file is successfully saved, I next run "dpkg-reconfigure
> tzdata". The package, tzdata, should be updated, should be the most
> current just like any others.
> 
> That's for the settings within my desktop environment, etc. My
> computers' clocks have always been set to UTC over the years after
> having picked that up as a tip one time when my desktop environment's
> clock kept resetting itself during every reboot.
> 
> Someone here on Debian-User was trying to fix something on their setup
> a couple months ago. I couldn't (cognitively) bring the words together
> to reply with a "me, too (kinda sorta)" along with providing the
> details in my case.
> 
> Most of my files reflect the correct date in Thunar, Xfce4's file
> manager, EXCEPT THAT.. For some reason, I have to mentally add 4 hours
> to the time stamp attached to files downloaded from a Canon FS40 video
> camera.
> 
> Seems like it might have been doing the same thing for a camera phone
> I was using for a couple months. It was doing the same thing for
> *something*, I just can't remember what.
> 
> Yes, I know it's not quite the same thing, but it does show something
> is a little wonky in the time clock department.
> 
> If Debian appears to be becoming more insistent that the computer's
> clock be set to universal UTC, that feels a little like what we
> experienced during the last major release. I remember well the
> momentary "upset" caused after that last release. As I "lurked" and
> just took all the conversations in back then, it was apparent that
> Debian is being developed to be more "strict", more precise, and thus
> less forgiving of our old computing habits.
> 
> That UTC tip I garnered somewhere off the Net was that we're computing
> in an international business and pleasure arena online. That's why
> setting UTC for the most "base" of our clocks can almost become a
> "critical" must-do to take part in that international arena in a
> properly time synced manner. There are surely exceptions why not to go
> UTC, but the rationale behind doing so made total sense to me at the
> time. :)
> 
> So far, that UTC route has worked *for me* with the exception of that
> Canon video camera's file time stamp anomaly...

Which filesystem does your camera use? How do you transfer the files?
What timezone do you set on the camera? Does the camera clock support
timezones?

For example:

FAT, physically via SD card, UTC, No.
That combination works for both my digital cameras.

Unknown, bluetooth, Local (automatic), Yes.
That combination doesn't work as bluetooth stamps the files with
the time of transfer, so I run a script that renames and touches
them using with the embedded UTC timestamp (the $10 mobile names
them in US format with one minute resolution so I ignore them).

Cheers,
David.

Re: Problem reserving enough space for Java object heap since stretch upgrade

2017-07-03 Thread Rene Engelhard

Hi,

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 04:16:53PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> The amd64 software versions were not all identical to the i386 ones, but
> I got away with it. The major configurations, samba and exim4, went in

Shouldn't happen on stable.

> without a hitch, and this was a server, so no faffing about with X and
> video drivers. I suspect there might be a few more pitfalls these days,
> as version upgrades have become progressively more 'difficult' since
> then.

In contrast - since more people use amd64 nowadays _i386_ lags behind at
times - as we see here even more buggy than amd64.

Regards,

Rene

Re: Problem reserving enough space for Java object heap since stretch upgrade

2017-07-03 Thread Joe

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 10:36:56 -0400
Adam Rosi-Kessel  wrote:

> On 7/3/2017 6:52 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> >>> On 01-07-2017 10:47, Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:  
>  I have been unable to execute Java with >=2048M memory allocation
>  since upgrading to stretch. I've changed nothing in my
>  configuration otherwise.  
> >>> Might be related to this:
> >>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2017/msg00160.html  
> >> I just tried upgrading to 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 per that posting and
> >> rebooted; same result.
> > >From your original post it seems you use i38 -   
> > i386 is in some way still broken. The JVM also crashes...
> >  
> This isn't on purpose and not something I've ever thought about it.
> It looks like migrating an existing system from i386 to amd64 is a 
> cumbersome and potentially glitchy process. Is it still true that
> there is no foolproof and easy way to transition?
> 

I had a go at a straight conversion a few years ago, possibly with
Lenny. After about an hour of serious messing about, I gave up and did a
migration, with dpkg --get-selections, 'restoring' to a minimal 64-bit
netinstall, then literally copying much of /etc.

The amd64 software versions were not all identical to the i386 ones, but
I got away with it. The major configurations, samba and exim4, went in
without a hitch, and this was a server, so no faffing about with X and
video drivers. I suspect there might be a few more pitfalls these days,
as version upgrades have become progressively more 'difficult' since
then.

-- 
Joe

wine + opengl 32 bit libs

2017-07-03 Thread Dennis G

Hello,
thank's for your time reading this.
I use wine(playonlinux wine 1.6.1) + 32 bit opengl libs
(no closed-source drivers)
for an application (game).
(It runs almost perfect on debian 8 (jessie))
If I dist-upgrade to debian 9 (stretch)
game has campaign map textures problem which
make it almost unplayable.
I can't find where the problem is, to provide more help.
I would like to dist-upgrade.
thank's.

Re: Problem reserving enough space for Java object heap since stretch upgrade

2017-07-03 Thread Adam Rosi-Kessel


On 7/3/2017 10:56 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jul 2017, Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:

This isn't on purpose and not something I've ever thought about it. It looks
like migrating an existing system from i386 to amd64 is a cumbersome and
potentially glitchy process. Is it still true that there is no foolproof and
easy way to transition?

We call that cross-grading.  And yes, it is cumbersome and there is
still no foolprof way (let alone an easy one) to transition.

In fact, cross-grading is troublesome enough that you'd likely be told
to simulate it in a VM first -- just because someone managed to do it in
jessie with a given packages set doesn't mean it would work as well for
stretch, or with a different packages set, for example -- so you would
end up having to do it twice.

It would be easier and much safer to just install amd64 somewhere else,
and move your data files and most of the config.

I'm inclined to stay with i386 then if at all possible. :)

Should I be reporting this heap issue as a bug, then? Against 
java-8-openjdk?


Adam

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 09:38:12 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 06:08:31PM -0300, Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:
> > I use Linux since Slackware 2.0, way before Windows 95. And up to
> > Debian 8, I've never, EVER, had to follow that procedure because it
> > worked just fine before. I'm using Debian like what, 10 years now.
> > 
> > Why do I have to change a registry because something in Debian 9 is
> > not syncing the time correctly with the hard drive before a reboot?
> > 
> > Just to make sure, I've reinstalled Debian 8 and the issue is gone,
> > it happens again with 9 so, I'm not changing that registry.
> > 
> > This is a Debian 9 issue.
> 
> Yes, I agree that this doesn't look like a time initialization
> issue or a hardware clock issue.

The future could get complicated for people not running on UTC
if time offsets of a few seconds start to arise. AIUI timezones
as presently implemented can't handle that.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Problem reserving enough space for Java object heap since stretch upgrade

2017-07-03 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

On Mon, 03 Jul 2017, Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:
> This isn't on purpose and not something I've ever thought about it. It looks
> like migrating an existing system from i386 to amd64 is a cumbersome and
> potentially glitchy process. Is it still true that there is no foolproof and
> easy way to transition?

We call that cross-grading.  And yes, it is cumbersome and there is
still no foolprof way (let alone an easy one) to transition.

In fact, cross-grading is troublesome enough that you'd likely be told
to simulate it in a VM first -- just because someone managed to do it in
jessie with a given packages set doesn't mean it would work as well for
stretch, or with a different packages set, for example -- so you would
end up having to do it twice.

It would be easier and much safer to just install amd64 somewhere else,
and move your data files and most of the config.

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: Problem reserving enough space for Java object heap since stretch upgrade

2017-07-03 Thread rhkramer

On Monday, July 03, 2017 10:36:56 AM Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:
> This isn't on purpose and not something I've ever thought about it. It
> looks like migrating an existing system from i386 to amd64 is a
> cumbersome and potentially glitchy process. Is it still true that there
> is no foolproof and easy way to transition?

Well, there is an easy way for me ;-)  I just made a new install of an amd64 
system, then transferred my "real user data" (documents, photos, spreadsheets, 
...) over to that system.  I probably did a very minor amount of adjusting the 
coniguration of the new instances of some applications (browsers, editors, 
...), but I don't recall any real issues--it was several years ago.

Re: Debian v9 and auto logoff


Thanks for the link.  Very interesting.
The link mentions a light-locker-settings package or configuration.  It 
would nice to know if that package/application actually produces the 
light-locker.conf file.


Tony

On 07/03/2017 07:31 AM, Curt wrote:

On 2017-07-03, tony mollica  wrote:

My programs were also still in place but they stopped processing until I
logged back in via the light-locker screen.  After that, the processing
re-started (evidenced by the printer continuing merrily on it's way) and
then I continued to log into the full desktop through the
mate-screensaver lock.  From the stuff I read the intent of the
light-locker was security based so as not to allow switching into
another terminal for whatever reason if you had physical access to the
machine.  I have no idea how that's done, or maybe we're not configuring
it correctly.  Like I indicated earlier, the source appears to have a
facility for a light-locker.conf file but I found none on my system and
I can't read the code well enough to figure out what parameters can be
used, much less what they do.



Apparently known light-locker insane behavior:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/450443/light-locker-stops-background-activities-eg-music-playback-when-screen-is-loc

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread rhkramer

On Monday, July 03, 2017 07:41:31 AM Whit Hansell wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
> currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
> finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when
> I'm not printing much.  

Why are you buying ink every month if you are not printing much--to be more 
specific, I'm asking if something is happening to your ink (or ink cartridge)--
is it an ink jet printer and the nozzles getting clogged, or maybe a laser 
printer in a high humidity environment making the toner get too humid to work 
properly?

If either of those are a possiblity, I wouldn't order a new printer until 
you've considered the cause of the problem...

Re: Problem reserving enough space for Java object heap since stretch upgrade

2017-07-03 Thread Adam Rosi-Kessel


On 7/3/2017 6:52 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote:

On 01-07-2017 10:47, Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:

I have been unable to execute Java with >=2048M memory allocation
since upgrading to stretch. I've changed nothing in my configuration
otherwise.

Might be related to this:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2017/msg00160.html

I just tried upgrading to 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 per that posting and rebooted;
same result.
>From your original post it seems you use i38 - 
i386 is in some way still broken. The JVM also crashes...


This isn't on purpose and not something I've ever thought about it. It 
looks like migrating an existing system from i386 to amd64 is a 
cumbersome and potentially glitchy process. Is it still true that there 
is no foolproof and easy way to transition?


Adam

Re: Debian v9 and auto logoff

I really don't know what's happening regarding this issue.   I just 
relayed what I saw occurring.  It appears the processes are still 
'running' but suspended.  The information going from the computer to the 
printer was stopped with no other indications of what was happening.  In 
my circumstance whatever is happening is somewhat dangerous in that the 
program feeding the printer (Repetier Host/Slic3r) doesn't change any 
parameters or shutdown the printer like it should when a connection is 
lost AND it keeps the extruder and platen heated with no timeout to shut 
it down.  Otherwise, I would have never noticed this whole thing.


Tony


On 07/03/2017 12:45 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

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My programs were also still in place but they stopped processing
until I logged back in via the light-locker screen.


This approach seems to be so heavy handed that I'm not sure I'd
want such an application around (except perhaps suspend to RAM/
suspend to disk).

Are you sure your session's processes are really stopped? Or
is something else going on, perhaps affecting your printing
pipeline (whatever *that* may be)?

Cheers
- -- tomÃ¡s
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Re: Debian v9 and auto logoff

2017-07-03 Thread Curt

On 2017-07-03, tony mollica  wrote:
> My programs were also still in place but they stopped processing until I 
> logged back in via the light-locker screen.  After that, the processing 
> re-started (evidenced by the printer continuing merrily on it's way) and 
> then I continued to log into the full desktop through the 
> mate-screensaver lock.  From the stuff I read the intent of the 
> light-locker was security based so as not to allow switching into 
> another terminal for whatever reason if you had physical access to the 
> machine.  I have no idea how that's done, or maybe we're not configuring 
> it correctly.  Like I indicated earlier, the source appears to have a 
> facility for a light-locker.conf file but I found none on my system and 
> I can't read the code well enough to figure out what parameters can be 
> used, much less what they do.
>

Apparently known light-locker insane behavior:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/450443/light-locker-stops-background-activities-eg-music-playback-when-screen-is-loc

-- 
“Yeah yeah.” --Sidney Morgenbesser's retort to a speaker who said that although
there are many cases in which two negatives make a positive, he knew of no case
in which two positives made a negative.

Kan niet meer printen

2017-07-03 Thread Cecil Westerhof

In eerste instantie kon ik gewoon printen, maar om een of andere reden
lukt dat niet meer. Heb zelfs een reboot gedaan, maar ik kan nog
steeds niet printen. In de logging zie ik:
io/hpmud/musb.c 1152: unable to open hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_5200?serial=…
prnt/backend/hp.c 824: ERROR: open device failed stat=12: 
hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_5200?serial=…

Wat kan het probleem zijn?

-- 
Cecil Westerhof
Senior Software Engineer
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof

(deb-cat) Padrins per la cerca de 'sponsors'

2017-07-03 Thread Narcis Garcia

Porto uns 8 mesos fent gestions per proposar programets als repositoris
de Debian, i no he aconseguit gran cosa. Ho començo a veure com un
laberint difícil per les futures generacions.

Porto des de 2007 aproximadament fent petites eines per GNU/Linux, per
pròpia necessitat, però sempre orientades a ser utilitzades per
qualsevol. Normalment són coses que un administrador de sistemes se
soluciona amb el propi «script» o pedaç, però jo intento no haver de
reescriure la roda a cada nova instal·lació de sistema operatiu.

Les meves motivacions per promoure la seva publicació a Debian són:
- Millorar la qualitat i utilitat d'aquestes eines.
- «Normalitzar» l'accés a totes aquelles persones que me les han demanat.
- Fer-ne difusió i promoure'n un relleu més modern abans de què siguin
obsoletes.
- Facilitar alguns aspectes de l'ús, administració i promoció del
programari lliure. Aspectes que em semblen en desavantatge respecte al
programari privatiu.

El què busco és algú que m'acompanyi en coses més concretes (o
estratègiques) que les orientacions que he trobat a mentors.debian.net o
per llistes de correu-e. De ben segur que per un «empaquetador» o
«mantenidor» habitual és una tasca banal perquè veieu el laberint des
del cel.
https://bugs.debian.org/865583
https://bugs.debian.org/863487
https://bugs.debian.org/856264
https://bugs.debian.org/867023

Algú em va recomanar la publicació mitjançant alioth.debian.org /
git.debian.org però aleshores ja havia posat en marxa git.actiu.net ;
espero que això no sigui una barrera.

Gràcies!
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masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
administrator should fix this.

Re: Stretch and network management

2017-07-03 Thread Matthew Crews

I think this is a NM issue. I was having difficulty connecting with a USB
adapter. Just to make sure it wasn't my adapter, I tried a few different
distros (using live CDs) that all used NM, and none of them could connect.
As soon as I install WICD, it works flawlessly even after reboot.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017, 18:20 tony mollica  wrote:

> I prefer to use NM over wicd but I have not sorted this out yet.  It
> just happens that wicd connects reliably even though it's display of
> information isn't quite right.  But, it connects and NM will not.  I
> tried Biebl's recommendation but it didn't help.  I will get back to
> this in a few days and try to sort it out.  I haven't seen anyone with a
> similar problem reply or even acknowledge there is a problem.  More
> replies=actual problem.  No replies=most likely my config.  We'll see.
>
> tony
>
> On 06/29/2017 12:29 PM, Brian wrote:
> > On Thu 29 Jun 2017 at 07:10:56 -0700, tony mollica wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >
> > [Snip]
> >
> >>   Now that I've gotten the network running,
> >
> > That is useful for you but less than useful for users who experience a
> > similar problem, Which part of Michael Biebl's response helped sort you
> > out? Or did it motivate you to look closer at what you were doing?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Problema al levantar Vagrant

2017-07-03 Thread Hernan Montero

Hola Claudio, buenos días.
Te quería agradecer por la ayuda.
Me sirvio mucho la documentación.
Solucione el problema instalando los Guest.

En la sincronización de las carpetas del Vagranfile quedo así:

config.vm.synced_folder ".", "/home/vagrant/project", group: "www-data"

Muchas Gracias por toda la ayuda


2017-06-29 11:35 GMT-03:00 claudio menet :
> Hola Hernan,
>
> Podes intentar descomentar nuevamente la línea
>
> config.vm.synced_folder ".", "/vagrant", type: "nfs"
>
> Y también ejecutar los siguientes comandos luego del vagrant up
>
> vagrant status
>
> Para verificar si la vm está corriendo.
>
> vagrant ssh
>
> Para conectar por ssh al guest.
>
> Si logras conectar por ssh quizás puedas trabajar desde dentro del
> guest para saber si el mismo tiene problemas.
>
> Yo leería la documentación de Vagrant que si bien está en ingles son
> textos simples y concisos que se pueden traducir con un traductor en
> línea.
>
> https://www.vagrantup.com/docs/index.html
>
> Saludos!
>
> 2017-06-27 17:05 GMT-03:00 Hernan Montero :
>> Hola Claudio, así deje el vagrantfile:
>>
>> -
>>
>> # Versión de la API de Vagrant
>> VAGRANTFILE_API_VERSION = "2"
>>
>> Vagrant.configure(VAGRANTFILE_API_VERSION) do |config|
>>
>> # Definir máquina virtual
>> config.vm.define :'portal-laravel'
>>
>> # Configurar caja
>> config.vm.box = "educar/portal-laravel"
>> config.vm.box_url =
>> "http://packages.educ.gov.ar/educar-boxes/portal-laravel/last/portal-laravel.json;
>>
>> # Configurar proveedor
>> config.vm.provider "virtualbox" do |v|
>> v.memory = 1024
>> end
>>
>> # Configurar dirección de IP
>> config.vm.network "private_network", ip: "192.168.10.2"
>>
>> # Configurar carpeta compartida
>> config.vm.synced_folder ".", "/vagrant", type: "nfs"
>>
>> end
>>
>> --
>>
>> Tambien me di cuenta que me faltaba agregar la extensión de virtual
>> box (Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.1.22-115126.vbox-extpack) y
>> al agregar la extensión apareció lo siguiente:
>>
>> ---
>> hmontero@HP-HMONTERO:~/Proyectos/portal-laravel$ vagrant up
>> Bringing machine 'portal-laravel' up with 'virtualbox' provider...
>> ==> portal-laravel: Checking if box 'educar/portal-laravel' is up to date...
>> ==> portal-laravel: Clearing any previously set forwarded ports...
>> ==> portal-laravel: Clearing any previously set network interfaces...
>> ==> portal-laravel: Preparing network interfaces based on configuration...
>>portal-laravel: Adapter 1: nat
>>portal-laravel: Adapter 2: hostonly
>> ==> portal-laravel: Forwarding ports...
>>portal-laravel: 22 (guest) =>  (host) (adapter 1)
>> ==> portal-laravel: Running 'pre-boot' VM customizations...
>> ==> portal-laravel: Booting VM...
>> ==> portal-laravel: Waiting for machine to boot. This may take a few 
>> minutes...
>>portal-laravel: SSH address: 127.0.0.1:
>>portal-laravel: SSH username: vagrant
>>portal-laravel: SSH auth method: private key
>> ==> portal-laravel: Machine booted and ready!
>> ==> portal-laravel: Checking for guest additions in VM...
>>portal-laravel: No guest additions were detected on the base box
>> for this VM! Guest
>>portal-laravel: additions are required for forwarded ports, shared
>> folders, host only
>>portal-laravel: networking, and more. If SSH fails on this machine,
>> please install
>>portal-laravel: the guest additions and repackage the box to continue.
>>portal-laravel:
>>portal-laravel: This is not an error message; everything may
>> continue to work properly,
>>portal-laravel: in which case you may ignore this message.
>> ==> portal-laravel: Configuring and enabling network interfaces...
>> ==> portal-laravel: Exporting NFS shared folders...
>> ==> portal-laravel: Preparing to edit /etc/exports. Administrator
>> privileges will be required...
>> ● nfs-server.service - NFS server and services
>>   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/nfs-server.service; enabled;
>> vendor preset: enabled)
>>   Active: active (exited) since Sat 2017-06-24 20:23:22 -03; 2 days ago
>>  Process: 667 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/rpc.nfsd $RPCNFSDARGS (code=exited,
>> status=0/SUCCESS)
>>  Process: 652 ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/exportfs -r (code=exited, 
>> status=0/SUCCESS)
>> Main PID: 667 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
>>Tasks: 0 (limit: 4915)
>>   CGroup: /system.slice/nfs-server.service
>> ==> portal-laravel: Mounting NFS shared folders...
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Me resulto raro el siguiente texto:
>> "No guest additions were detected on the base box for this VM! Guest
>> additions are required for forwarded ports, shared folders, host only
>> networking, and more. If SSH fails on this machine, please install the
>> guest additions and repackage the box to continue."
>>
>> Hice una búsqueda del mismo y encontré en este link
>> https://github.com/gfreeau/php7play/issues/1 que me faltaba agregar
>> los siguientes plugins:
>>
>> vagrant plugin install vagrant-vbguest
>>
>> Ahora la

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

2017-07-03 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey

On 7/3/17, to...@tuxteam.de  wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:25:58AM -0300, Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:
>> Looks like people can't make up their minds, /etc/adjtime is missing
>> from initramfs.
>>
>> root@Dragon:/boot# lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64|grep etc
>> etc
>> etc/ld.so.cache
>> etc/mtab
>> etc/ld.so.conf.d
>> etc/ld.so.conf.d/zz_i386-biarch-compat.conf
>> etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf
>> etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf
>> etc/udev
>> etc/udev/udev.conf
>> etc/ld.so.conf
>> etc/fstab
>> etc/modprobe.d
>> etc/modprobe.d/cx23885.conf
>> etc/modprobe.d/amd64-microcode-blacklist.conf
>> etc/modprobe.d/sp5100_tco-blacklist.conf
>>
>> And people say that this is the problem.
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1198761
>>
>> Looks like all we need to do is to add /etc/adjtime back to initramfs.
>
> Hmm, yes -- initramfs and the "up and running" OS should agree on what
> corrections to apply to the time read from the hwclock; if not, it
> sounds plausible that initramfs (who is mounting root, and thus checking
> the superblock) has a different notion of time than the OS, who has
> synced out the superblock on last shutdown.
>
> I can't work out the details, but what you say makes a lot of sense.

I don't know if this will help, but this topic is fresh in mind
because I am right in the middle of finishing out a successful (3 day
k/t dialup) debootstrap of Buster. Addressing /etc/adjtime is one of
the manual steps in the debootstrap process because that file doesn't
exist until it is manually created early on.

The process *for me* is to create a new file /etc/adjtime and add the
following 3 lines to it:

0.0 0 0.0
0
UTC

After that file is successfully saved, I next run "dpkg-reconfigure
tzdata". The package, tzdata, should be updated, should be the most
current just like any others.

That's for the settings within my desktop environment, etc. My
computers' clocks have always been set to UTC over the years after
having picked that up as a tip one time when my desktop environment's
clock kept resetting itself during every reboot.

Someone here on Debian-User was trying to fix something on their setup
a couple months ago. I couldn't (cognitively) bring the words together
to reply with a "me, too (kinda sorta)" along with providing the
details in my case.

Most of my files reflect the correct date in Thunar, Xfce4's file
manager, EXCEPT THAT.. For some reason, I have to mentally add 4 hours
to the time stamp attached to files downloaded from a Canon FS40 video
camera.

Seems like it might have been doing the same thing for a camera phone
I was using for a couple months. It was doing the same thing for
*something*, I just can't remember what.

Yes, I know it's not quite the same thing, but it does show something
is a little wonky in the time clock department.

If Debian appears to be becoming more insistent that the computer's
clock be set to universal UTC, that feels a little like what we
experienced during the last major release. I remember well the
momentary "upset" caused after that last release. As I "lurked" and
just took all the conversations in back then, it was apparent that
Debian is being developed to be more "strict", more precise, and thus
less forgiving of our old computing habits.

That UTC tip I garnered somewhere off the Net was that we're computing
in an international business and pleasure arena online. That's why
setting UTC for the most "base" of our clocks can almost become a
"critical" must-do to take part in that international arena in a
properly time synced manner. There are surely exceptions why not to go
UTC, but the rationale behind doing so made total sense to me at the
time. :)

So far, that UTC route has worked *for me* with the exception of that
Canon video camera's file time stamp anomaly...

Just thinking out loud... :)

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...




On 07/03/2017 08:05 AM, Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 07:41:31AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote:

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when I'm
not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it to work.
Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

I've been quite satisfied with the Brother HLL2380DW wireless
scanner/duplex laser-printer. $165 on Amazon including toner
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BHSL7VY/ (I believe that's
refurbished). Our home has a variety of Linux, Windows, OSX, and iOS
devices, and it works fine with all of them. (The iOS devices print
through the Linux box via CUPS/Airprint).

Adam


Adam, Thanks so much for your recommendation.  It looks like exactly 
what I am desiring.  I'm going to go ahead and order one today.. 
Thanking you very much.


whit

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-03 Thread Adam Rosi-Kessel

On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 07:41:31AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is
> currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in
> finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when I'm
> not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it to work.
> Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.

I've been quite satisfied with the Brother HLL2380DW wireless
scanner/duplex laser-printer. $165 on Amazon including toner
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BHSL7VY/ (I believe that's
refurbished). Our home has a variety of Linux, Windows, OSX, and iOS
devices, and it works fine with all of them. (The iOS devices print
through the Linux box via CUPS/Airprint).

Adam

Re: Problem reserving enough space for Java object heap since stretch upgrade

2017-07-03 Thread Rene Engelhard

Hi,

On Sat, Jul 01, 2017 at 10:49:53AM -0400, Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:
> On 7/1/2017 9:50 AM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> >On 01-07-2017 10:47, Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:
> >>I have been unable to execute Java with >=2048M memory allocation
> >>since upgrading to stretch. I've changed nothing in my configuration
> >>otherwise.
> >Might be related to this:
> >https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2017/msg00160.html
> I just tried upgrading to 4.9.30-2+deb9u2 per that posting and rebooted;
> same result.

>From your original post it seems you use i38 - 
i386 is in some way still broken. The JVM also crashes...

See e.g.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2017/07/msg0.html

Regards,

Rene

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

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On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:25:58AM -0300, Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:
> Looks like people can't make up their minds, /etc/adjtime is missing
> from initramfs.
> 
> root@Dragon:/boot# lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64|grep etc
> etc
> etc/ld.so.cache
> etc/mtab
> etc/ld.so.conf.d
> etc/ld.so.conf.d/zz_i386-biarch-compat.conf
> etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf
> etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf
> etc/udev
> etc/udev/udev.conf
> etc/ld.so.conf
> etc/fstab
> etc/modprobe.d
> etc/modprobe.d/cx23885.conf
> etc/modprobe.d/amd64-microcode-blacklist.conf
> etc/modprobe.d/sp5100_tco-blacklist.conf
> 
> And people say that this is the problem.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1198761
> 
> Looks like all we need to do is to add /etc/adjtime back to initramfs.

Hmm, yes -- initramfs and the "up and running" OS should agree on what
corrections to apply to the time read from the hwclock; if not, it
sounds plausible that initramfs (who is mounting root, and thus checking
the superblock) has a different notion of time than the OS, who has
synced out the superblock on last shutdown.

I can't work out the details, but what you say makes a lot of sense.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Laser Printer recommendation...

Can anyone recommend a monochrome (black toner) laser printer that is 
currently available and reasonably priced (<$300).  I am interested in 
finding one as i am sick and tired of buying ink every month even when 
I'm not printing much.  Have tried the Brother 2270DW but can't get it 
to work.  Which ones work easillyl, if any?  Thanking in advance.


Have gone thru many of the printers listed saying they are linux 
printers but when I get to the actual printer if it's available it's $ 
1,200 or not available when it's in the $2-300 range.  Just wondering if 
there are any still available out there, reasonably priced.


Using Jessie will be going to Stretch in a few months.

Thanks.

Whit

Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.

Looks like people can't make up their minds, /etc/adjtime is missing 
from initramfs.


root@Dragon:/boot# lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-3-amd64|grep etc
etc
etc/ld.so.cache
etc/mtab
etc/ld.so.conf.d
etc/ld.so.conf.d/zz_i386-biarch-compat.conf
etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf
etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf
etc/udev
etc/udev/udev.conf
etc/ld.so.conf
etc/fstab
etc/modprobe.d
etc/modprobe.d/cx23885.conf
etc/modprobe.d/amd64-microcode-blacklist.conf
etc/modprobe.d/sp5100_tco-blacklist.conf

And people say that this is the problem.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1198761

Looks like all we need to do is to add /etc/adjtime back to initramfs.

On 03-07-2017 04:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

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On Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 06:08:31PM -0300, Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:

I use Linux since Slackware 2.0, way before Windows 95. And up to
Debian 8, I've never, EVER, had to follow that procedure because it
worked just fine before. I'm using Debian like what, 10 years now.

Why do I have to change a registry because something in Debian 9 is
not syncing the time correctly with the hard drive before a reboot?

Just to make sure, I've reinstalled Debian 8 and the issue is gone,
it happens again with 9 so, I'm not changing that registry.

This is a Debian 9 issue.


Yes, I agree that this doesn't look like a time initialization
issue or a hardware clock issue.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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[trucs] affichage du mode vi du bash (readline inputrc)

2017-07-03 Thread Alexandre Hoïde

  J'ai récemment découvert que GNU-readline -- le bidule pour la saisie
et l'édition des lignes de commandes du bash -- permet d'afficher le
mode (emacs / vi-insertion / vi-normal) en cours, à gauche de l'invite
de commande.

  Pour ce faire, il faut ajouter, dans « ~/.inputrc » :
set show-mode-in-prompt on

  Pour ceux qui utilisent le mode par défaut « emacs », c'est de la
pollution, mais pour les autres, c'est une indication fort utile qui
n'est (malheureusement) pas activée par le préalable :
set editing-mode vi

  En outre, il est possible de changer les chaînes affichées par défaut
« (ins) / (cmd) » avec les variables « vi-cmd-mode-string » et
« vi-ins-mode-string ». Exemple (toujours dans « ~/.inputrc ») :
set vi-ins-mode-string "_"
set vi-cmd-mode-string "☰"

… selon votre fantaisie.

  Petit bonus pour ceux qui préfèrent utiliser la séquence « jk » (ou
autre), au lieu de ESCAPE, pour revenir en mode normal :
$if mode=vi
  set keymap vi-command
  "i": vi-insertion-mode

  set keymap vi-insert
  "jk": vi-movement-mode
$endif

  Puisse ce message, au hasard des fils qui pleuvent, améliorer
l'expérience de quelque vi-basheux -- que l'absence d'assuétude pour
la lecture des docs¹ consignerait à l'impéritie.

¹ https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/readline-common/readline.3readline.en.html

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Re: Postfix/batch: configurer l'adresse d'émission et renvoyer des messages en arrivée vers un tiers

2017-07-03 Thread Olivier

Bonjour,

1. Je viens à l'instant de tester la solution de Sébastien avec le fichier
canonical.
Elle fonctionne parfaitement avec n'importe quelle combinaison des deux
lignes ci-après.
Par contre, chez le destinataire, l'adresse de l'émetteur s'affiche en
"root " là ou j'aurai peut-être préféré
quelque chose ressemblant à "Exemple ".

root t...@exemple.fr
r...@mamachine.dedibox.fr t...@exemple.fr

Peut-être qu'en ajoutant une ligne comme "root   "Exemple ",
je parviendrai à mes fins.


Par ailleurs, la solution de Daniel me parait aussi intéressante car je
risque d'avoir besoin d'émettre avec plusieurs identités différentes.
Je vais l'étudier de plus près et étudier les autres points.


À suivre

Le 3 juillet 2017 à 10:16, Daniel Caillibaud  a écrit :

> Le 30/06/17 à 13:54, Olivier  a écrit :
> O> $ mail -s Essai15 mondestinataire.fr
> O> le corps de mon message
> O> CC:
> O>
> O> Dans ce cas, j'observe dans /var/log/syslog que Postfix n'émets pas
> avec la
> O> bonne adresse :
> O> Jun 30 13:41:35 mamachine postfix/qmgr[23481]: 59D953160331: from=<
> O> r...@mamachine.dedibox.fr>, size=379, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>
> parce que tu as lancé cette commande en root…
>
> O> Mes questions sont:
> O> 1. Comment pouvoir émettre depuis un programme batch sur un serveur, en
> O> utilisant les identifiants de mon compte t...@exemple.fr ?
>
> Utiliser les identifiants ? Tu veux que ton script se connecte au smtp de
> t...@exemple.fr ?
>
> Si tu veux simplement que le From soit t...@exemple.fr, amha le plus
> simple est de créer un
> user local toto, et de dire à postfix que son adresse d'expéditeur est
> t...@exemple.fr, par ex
> via smtp_generic_maps (cf la doc postfix).
>
> Après ce smtp_generic_maps, les mails envoyés par le user local toto en
> ligne de commande (ou
> via un script exécuté par toto) auront un from t...@exemple.fr
>
> Pour que les mails locaux envoyés au user toto aillent vers
> t...@exemple.fr, faut ajouter
>   toto: t...@exemple.fr
> à /etc/aliases
> (et lancer postalias après chaque modif)
>
> Après cette modif de/etc/aliases , toutes tes commandes
>   mail -s "sujet" toto < fichier
> enverront le contenu de fichier à t...@exemple.fr (avec le from de celui
> qui lance la commande)
>
> O> 2. J'imagine possible de reconfigurer chez 1and1, ma boîte
> t...@exemple.fr
> O> de telle sorte que chaque email qu'elle recoive soit renvoyé vers une
> boîte
> O> tierce (p...@tagada.com) puis supprimé.
>
> Quel intérêt d'écrire à t...@exemple.fr si ça doit être redirigé vers
> ailleurs ? écrit
> directement ailleurs.
>
> O> Pour la beauté du geste, est-il possible et pas trop compliqué de
> O> configurer ce renvoi sur ma propre machine, en filtrant selon l'adresse
> O> d'émission.
> O> ("Si le courriel vient de @important.fr, renvoyer vers
> p...@tagada.com,
> O> sinon poubelle).
>
> Ça tu peux le faire avec procmail sur le serveur mail de réception
> (peut-être aussi avec sieve).
>
> --
> Daniel
>
> Ceux qui écrivent clairement ont des lecteurs ; ceux qui écrivent
> obscurément ont des commentateurs.
> Albert Camus
>
>

Recommandation d'apt-get_Présence par défaut d'Aptitude sur Stretch

2017-07-03 Thread maderios


On 07/02/2017 09:35 PM, Haricophile wrote:

Le Sun, 2 Jul 2017 19:15:11 +0200,
maderios  a écrit :


Attention:
"La commande aptitude n'est pas recommandée pour une mise à niveau du
système entre versions sur le système Debian stable après la sortie
d'une nouvelle version."
L'utilisation de "apt-get dist-upgrade" est recommandée pour cela.
Voir Bug #411280."
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.fr.html#_literal_apt_get_literal_literal_apt_cache_literal_vs_literal_aptitude_literal


Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:54:03 UTC 10ans quand même une époque ou
la maintenance d'aptitude était un peu en berne pour autant que je me
souvienne.

En dehors de toute polémique stérile, l'outil recommandé par Debian pour 
passer de Jessie à Stretch est apt-get:

https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
Chapter 4. Upgrades from Debian 8 (jessie)
"The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian releases is to use 
the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases, aptitude was 
recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of apt-get provide 
equivalent functionality and also have proven to more consistently give 
the desired upgrade results."



Maderios

recherche à remplacer un cms

2017-07-03 Thread bernard . schoenacker

bonjour,

comme j'ai quelques misères avec un cms (phpboost) qui n'évolue guère ...

je recherche comme fonction :

calendrier partagé
forum
wiki
gestion de documents

sachant que j'ai déjà un nextcloud qui tourne bien
mais qui ne fait pas tout 

slt
bernard

Re: Clarifying what 'systemd' actually means

2017-07-03 Thread Alessandro Vesely

On Sun 02/Jul/2017 15:13:06 +0200 Christian Seiler wrote:
> (To clarify: I'm not saying that people who don't like systemd
> can't be rational, but I do think that anyone who claims to see
> a conspiracy here is not taking a rational position.)

Admittedly it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, although not without some remains
of rational rebuttals...

I appreciated your reply, anyway.  Thanks.

Ale

Re: Postfix/batch: configurer l'adresse d'émission et renvoyer des messages en arrivée vers un tiers

2017-07-03 Thread Daniel Caillibaud

Le 30/06/17 à 13:54, Olivier  a écrit :
O> $ mail -s Essai15 mondestinataire.fr
O> le corps de mon message
O> CC:
O> 
O> Dans ce cas, j'observe dans /var/log/syslog que Postfix n'émets pas avec la
O> bonne adresse :
O> Jun 30 13:41:35 mamachine postfix/qmgr[23481]: 59D953160331: from=<
O> r...@mamachine.dedibox.fr>, size=379, nrcpt=1 (queue active)

parce que tu as lancé cette commande en root…

O> Mes questions sont:
O> 1. Comment pouvoir émettre depuis un programme batch sur un serveur, en
O> utilisant les identifiants de mon compte t...@exemple.fr ?

Utiliser les identifiants ? Tu veux que ton script se connecte au smtp de 
t...@exemple.fr ?

Si tu veux simplement que le From soit t...@exemple.fr, amha le plus simple est 
de créer un
user local toto, et de dire à postfix que son adresse d'expéditeur est 
t...@exemple.fr, par ex
via smtp_generic_maps (cf la doc postfix).

Après ce smtp_generic_maps, les mails envoyés par le user local toto en ligne 
de commande (ou
via un script exécuté par toto) auront un from t...@exemple.fr

Pour que les mails locaux envoyés au user toto aillent vers t...@exemple.fr, 
faut ajouter
  toto: t...@exemple.fr
à /etc/aliases
(et lancer postalias après chaque modif)

Après cette modif de/etc/aliases , toutes tes commandes
  mail -s "sujet" toto < fichier
enverront le contenu de fichier à t...@exemple.fr (avec le from de celui qui 
lance la commande)

O> 2. J'imagine possible de reconfigurer chez 1and1, ma boîte t...@exemple.fr
O> de telle sorte que chaque email qu'elle recoive soit renvoyé vers une boîte
O> tierce (p...@tagada.com) puis supprimé.

Quel intérêt d'écrire à t...@exemple.fr si ça doit être redirigé vers ailleurs 
? écrit
directement ailleurs.

O> Pour la beauté du geste, est-il possible et pas trop compliqué de
O> configurer ce renvoi sur ma propre machine, en filtrant selon l'adresse
O> d'émission.
O> ("Si le courriel vient de @important.fr, renvoyer vers p...@tagada.com,
O> sinon poubelle).

Ça tu peux le faire avec procmail sur le serveur mail de réception (peut-être 
aussi avec sieve).

-- 
Daniel

Ceux qui écrivent clairement ont des lecteurs ; ceux qui écrivent
obscurément ont des commentateurs.
Albert Camus

Re: Debian v9 and auto logoff

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On Sun, Jul 02, 2017 at 08:19:51PM -0700, tony mollica wrote:
> My programs were also still in place but they stopped processing
> until I logged back in via the light-locker screen.

This approach seems to be so heavy handed that I'm not sure I'd
want such an application around (except perhaps suspend to RAM/
suspend to disk).

Are you sure your session's processes are really stopped? Or
is something else going on, perhaps affecting your printing
pipeline (whatever *that* may be)?

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Re: Superblock last write time is in the future.