Re: Metar et pymetar

2021-10-08 Thread Txo

Le 08/10/2021 à 20:32, Étienne Mollier a écrit :
[...]

J'ai lu quelque part que ce type d'erreur provenait d'erreur de résolution
de nom mais cela fonctionne pour tous les autres programmes et il n'y a pas
lourd de documentation.


Les deux commandes fonctionnent de mon côté ; j'en ai profité
pour jeter un œil à la station lfpo.  Par le plus grand des
hasards, que donne la résolution du nom tgftp.nws.noaa.gov,
indépendamment des programmes (py)metar sur la carte raspberry
pi incriminée ?

$ host tgftp.nws.noaa.gov


Merci pour la réponse.

Malheureusement
$ host tgftp.nws.noaa.gov
tgftp.nws.noaa.gov is an alias for tgftp.op.ncep.noaa.gov.
tgftp.op.ncep.noaa.gov is an alias for tgftp.cp.ncep.noaa.gov.
tgftp.cp.ncep.noaa.gov has address 140.90.101.79

Que ces 2 seuls programmes butent me pose question.


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Re: Up-to-date Bullseye, Power Save turned Samsung T55 Monitor off. Couldn't wake it up

2021-10-08 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 8:44 AM Kenneth Parker  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:06 AM Marko Randjelovic 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:48:39 -0400
>> Kenneth Parker  wrote:
>>
>> > HP Elitedesk 705 G1.  Bullseye XFCE.
>>
> >
>> > I had a timeout set like usual.  Before, I could jiggle the Mouse and
>> press
>> > the Shift Key and it would wake up, but not today.
>> >
>> > Fortunately, I was able to power up a Laptop, and SSH into the
>> Elitedesk,
>> > and tell it to Shutdown cleanly.  (But, obviously not everyone has this
>> > option).
>>
>
Thank you all for your responses.  Fortunately, somebody else, I think on
an Ubuntu forum (that I had googled), someone mentioned issues with
light-locker.  And that purging it solved the issue.

So I tried that, with success!

What is the purpose of Light-Locker anyway?

Again, thanks,

Kenneth Parker

>


Re: Metar et pymetar

2021-10-08 Thread Étienne Mollier
Bonjour,

txo...@free.fr, on 2021-10-08:
> $ pymetar lftw
> Something went wrong when fetching the report.
> These usually are transient problems if the station ID is valid. 
> The error encountered was:
> 

Effectivement, difficile de croire que ce n'est pas une erreur
de résolution de nom.

> metar -v -d lftw
> Retrieving URL 
> http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/stations/LFTW.TXT
> METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
> Station   : 
> Day   : 0
> Time  : 00:00 UTC [...]
> 
> 
> J'ai lu quelque part que ce type d'erreur provenait d'erreur de résolution 
> de nom mais cela fonctionne pour tous les autres programmes et il n'y a pas 
> lourd de documentation.

Les deux commandes fonctionnent de mon côté ; j'en ai profité
pour jeter un œil à la station lfpo.  Par le plus grand des
hasards, que donne la résolution du nom tgftp.nws.noaa.gov,
indépendamment des programmes (py)metar sur la carte raspberry
pi incriminée ?

$ host tgftp.nws.noaa.gov

Bonne journée,  :)
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Re: You have been removed from

2021-10-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> you can go back to my original post at the start of this thread.

I did several times meanwhile. It's all that a have as base for
my speculations.


> I included the full text of what bendel sent to me.  You can very clearly
> see the headers, and the complete lack of the string "wooledge" anywhere
> in the headers.

My theory is that your mail address is in the SMTP envelope of the
bounce mail which gets sent to bendel.debian.org. Maybe in "RCPT TO",
not in "MAIL FROM, as i initially wrote.

Inside the envelope of a bounce there are three parts, according to
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounce_message#Format

  1. a human readable explanation;
  2. a machine parsable message/delivery-status, a list of
 "name: type; value" lines that state several possible fields; and
  3. the original message, or a portion thereof, as an entity of type
 message/rfc822.

Reading your initial mail, i would say that it shows only part 3 of the
bounce message. That part could be completely made up by the sender
and designed to deceive the human reader.


The idea of backscattering came to me because of your mail from
Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:49:27 -0400, Message-Id yv2pz8mbbcdtt...@wooledge.org
where you first mentioned "forged bounce messages".
I remember that years ago i riddled about such bogus bounces. Meanwhile
my mail provider seems to catch them.
Problem with bendel.debian.org was that it did not forward the forged
bounces but counted them until finally the threshold was reached for
unsubscription.


> if you continue posting to debian-user often enough, you'll probably
> start getting unsubbed after each one of your messages just like the
> rest of us frequent-posters are seeing.

I understand that this will not happen as easily any more.
See Andrew M.A. Cater's recent post (8 Oct 2021 17:33:26 +) and
piorunz' report (8 Oct 2021 19:41:31 +0100) of a mail with:
  "This is a test mailing, to check if the address pior...@gmx.com
  causes bounces, [...]
  If no unsubscription occurs you can safely ignore this message."


> Then you can see your own version
> of the message from bendel containing the **stop** message from OVH.

Probably those headers and message parts will from now on stay inside
bendel.debian.org and we will see only the test mailings.
They won't bounce, hopefully. I disable as much spam filtering at GMX
as possible. But at rare occasions GMX seems to hate mails from bendel
and bounces them.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Re: You have been removed from

2021-10-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Oct 08, 2021 at 10:03:57PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> I doubt that it is due to any address in the body. Rather i assume that
> you are named in the MAIL FROM command of the bounce message.

Except, I'm *looking* at what bendel says it received, and that isn't
the case.

> What you see is the payload part of the bounce message, which is mainly
> an ornament without technical function. It could be completely forged.
> Only bendel.debian.org knows from where the bounce message came.

I'm trusting what it tells me.  It's showing me the full message that
it claims it received.  This includes both the headers and the body.

I can't imagine why it would show me something other than what it received.

If you haven't received one of bendel's "You have been removed" messages
yet, you can go back to my original post at the start of this thread.
I included the full text of what bendel sent to me.  You can very clearly
see the headers, and the complete lack of the string "wooledge" anywhere
in the headers.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/10/msg00248.html

Or, if you continue posting to debian-user often enough, you'll probably
start getting unsubbed after each one of your messages just like the
rest of us frequent-posters are seeing.  Then you can see your own version
of the message from bendel containing the **stop** message from OVH.



Re: You have been removed from

2021-10-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Greg Wooledge wrote:
> This response message
> is sent with an envelope sender (MAIL FROM) address of
> postmas...@vps268904.ovh.net
> [...]
> How does an
> email address that only appears in the body get counted as if it were
> the sender?

I doubt that it is due to any address in the body. Rather i assume that
you are named in the MAIL FROM command of the bounce message.
See
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounce_address
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounce_message
The offender would send a bounce message to bendel.debian.org with your
address as forged sender of the bounced mail:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_%28email%29

What you see is the payload part of the bounce message, which is mainly
an ornament without technical function. It could be completely forged.
Only bendel.debian.org knows from where the bounce message came.


If this theory is true, then a solution would be to equip each list mail
with a unique resend id, which could be an encrypted combination of
subscribed mail address and resend time. Only if this mail header line
is included in the bounce message and matches the alleged senderi and
roughly the time, only then a bounce is credible.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Re: You have been removed from

2021-10-08 Thread harryweaver



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9 Oct 2021, 02:52 by d...@randomstring.org:

>
> Guess what I just got?
>
> -dsr-
>
Yes, I got the initial one yesterday.
`This is just a test email, etc. etc.,'
Cheers!

Harry.



Re: You have been removed from

2021-10-08 Thread piorunz

Just get this message subjected Debian-Bounce-Test pior...@gmx.com Fri,
08 Oct 2021 04:40:44 +, from listmas...@lists.debian.org:


"This is a test mailing, to check if the address pior...@gmx.com
causes bounces, tries to challenge-response or autoresponds
back to Mailinglists, or Mailinglist-Senders.

If you get an unsubscription message afterwards, one of the above
problems has been confirmed.

Fix the problem and re-subscribe.

If no unsubscription occurs you can safely ignore this message.

Yours,
Debian Listmaster

http://lists.debian.org;

I haven't been removed, so I guess my mail provider is ok.

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Re: You have been removed from

2021-10-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Oct 08, 2021 at 05:33:26PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> In the meantime, if anybody else has problems from this host - it is 
> appropriate to email listmas...@lists.debian.org and explain what has
> happened, including the headers and bounce email text. If they allow 
> your host, they will also send an email to check that an email will
> not in fact bounce.
> 
> With thanks to Steve McIntyre who has confirmed that this sort of 
> thing has happened before.

I got one of the probe emails from listmaster, and I wasn't unsubscribed
afterward, so I guess they found no fault with my setup.

I'm still curious about what's actually happening here.  Perhaps nobody
on this list knows, which is understandable, but if someone does
happen to know the details, I'd like to hear them.

What I know so far is that someone at ovh.net is subscribed to debian-user
and has set up an auto-responder.  Every time they receive a message from
the mailing list, they generate a response message.  This response message
is sent with an envelope sender (MAIL FROM) address of
postmas...@vps268904.ovh.net and the same address in the From: header.
The Postfix MTA at bendel.debian.org logs receipt of the message from
"vps268904.ovh.net (mail.data3v.com [51.254.223.75])" according to
the Received: header which it adds.  The response message has the Subject:
header "**stop**".

The body of the response message begins with the email address of the
person who sent the responded-to message, in angle brackets.  Then a
colon, a space, and a copy of the original Subject: header.  Then a
newline, then about 128 bytes (I didn't count, just approximating) of
the original message's body, another newline, and finally the text
"Please stop the message. we have already unsubscribed our email address."

(This sentence is clearly untrue.)

Somehow, when bendel receives this response message, it treats it as a
"bounce message" from the person whose email address appears in angle
brackets at the top of the body of the response.  THIS is the part that
I don't understand, and would like to know more about.  How does an
email address that only appears in the body get counted as if it were
the sender?  Is this a bug in the mailing list software?  It sure seems
like it.

If I were to put : at the top of the body
of this message, would it cause bendel to think that OVH had sent one
of these "bounce messages"?  Or does putting it in the middle of a line
down here toward the end of the message also count?  Then again, the
offender's subscribed address is probably something other than this.



Re: Ot: 6 or 7 nights to download a CD

2021-10-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi,

Russell L. Harris wrote:
> hopefully someone mentioned jigo -- the jigsaw downloader.

Well, if you mean Jigdo, then i can report that it is still alive:
  https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/
It recently got a protocol upgrade to version 2, with SHA256 instead
of old MD5.

For most Debian ISO images it is the only download opportunity.
Be it 18 DVD sized images
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dvd/
or 4 BD sized images (25 GB)
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-bd/
or 2 BD DL sized images (50 GB)
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dlbd/

Only the CD edition ended after Jessie with 85 CD sized images.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas



Re: You have been removed from

2021-10-08 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Oct 08, 2021 at 12:52:51PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> Guess what I just got?
> 
> -dsr-

> Date: Fri,  8 Oct 2021 15:00:41 + (UTC)
> From: debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
> To: d...@randomstring.org
> Subject: You have been removed from the list

People: I just sent a private response to Dan before I realised it
might be better to send it to the list.

It may, eventually, be appropriate for someone to deny-list this host
from all Debian communications. It has been reported to ab...@ovh.net.

In the meantime, if anybody else has problems from this host - it is 
appropriate to email listmas...@lists.debian.org and explain what has
happened, including the headers and bounce email text. If they allow 
your host, they will also send an email to check that an email will
not in fact bounce.

With thanks to Steve McIntyre who has confirmed that this sort of 
thing has happened before.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater 



Then it happened to me...

2021-10-08 Thread Dan Ritter


It just happened to me.

I think this is actually an attack on debian-user.

Nothing in my mail logs (and, believe me, there's a lot of spam
recorded in there.)

I've just set postfix to drop anything from that host at SMTP
time, but I doubt it's going to work. I think they've found a
cannon to annoy debian-user subscribers with.

-dsr-



Re: You have been removed from the list (repeatedly)

2021-10-08 Thread Dan Ritter
Greg Wooledge wrote: 
> On Wed, Oct 06, 2021 at 09:09:11PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> > I believe that the solution is simple, and, what the list administrator(s)
> > of the Debian User list will not do; simply disallow messages posted to the
> > list, from non-subscribers.
> > 
> > It is simple, will minimise spurious removals from the list, and, minimise
> > spamming of the list.
> 
> Well, you already know that this won't happen.  They don't want to close
> the list in that way.
> 
> That said, this would *not* stop the problem that I'm having right now.
> The "forged bounce messages" (for lack of a better term) are coming
> from someone who *is* subscribed.  They've set up some sort of auto-responder
> which is generating one of these messages every time they receive a
> message from the list.  Because they're still subscribed.

It just happened to me, and then it happened again 10 minutes
later.

I suspect that this is a deliberate attack against debian-user,
not a misconfigured anti-spam bot.

My temporary work-around is to use separate addresses to
subscribe to the list (and thus receive copies) and to post to
the list (which will be targeted by the attacker, but cannot be
unsubscribed because they aren't subscribed.)

We probably need a change to the mail-handling system to only
accept its own SMTP-time delivery failures as proof that a
subscriber address has disappeared.

-dsr-



You have been removed from

2021-10-08 Thread Dan Ritter

Guess what I just got?

-dsr-
--- Begin Message ---
Your mail address d...@randomstring.org has been removed
from the debian-user@lists.debian.org mailinglist.
It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails.

Before sending in a subscription request to
debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org again, please ensure that
this problem has been resolved.  When in doubt, ask your system
administrator or send mail to "postmaster".

The last one of those bounced mails has been quoted below:
>From postmas...@vps268904.ovh.net  Fri Oct  8 15:00:40 2021
>Return-Path: 
>X-Original-To: lists-debian-u...@bendel.debian.org
>Delivered-To: lists-debian-u...@bendel.debian.org
>Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
>   by bendel.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA65820345
>   for ; Fri,  8 Oct 2021 15:00:40 
> + (UTC)
>X-Virus-Scanned: at lists.debian.org with policy bank en-ht
>X-Spam-Flag: NO
>X-Spam-Score: 1.499
>X-Spam-Level: *
>X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.499 tagged_above=-1 required=5.3
>   tests=[BAYES_20=-1, FOURLA=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, ONEWORD=2]
>   autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
>Received: from bendel.debian.org ([127.0.0.1])
>   by localhost (lists.debian.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 2525)
>   with ESMTP id tsIVrfZ_RpoX for ;
>   Fri,  8 Oct 2021 15:00:36 + (UTC)
>X-policyd-weight: using cached result; rate:hard: -5.5
>Received: from vps268904.ovh.net (mail.data3v.com [51.254.223.75])
>   (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)
>key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest 
> SHA256)
>   (Client did not present a certificate)
>   by bendel.debian.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 114CC20342
>   for ; Fri,  8 Oct 2021 15:00:36 + 
> (UTC)
>X-Kerio-Anti-Spam:  Build: [Engines: 2.16.1.1366, Stamp: 3], Multi: [Enabled, 
>t: (0.17,0.002248)], BW: [Enabled, t: (0.35,0.08)], RTDA: 
>[Enabled, t: (0.053771), Hit: No, Details: v2.7.195; Id: 
>17.52g2tk.1fhg6n2o7.3rmos], total: 0(700)
>Received: from localhost
>   by vps268904.ovh.net (Kerio Connect 9.3.1 patch 1); Fri, 8 Oct 2021 
> 17:00:32 +0200
>Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 17:00:32 +0200
>Message-ID: <1880782548-3...@vps268904.ovh.net>
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" 
>To: 
>Subject: **stop**
>X-Kerio-Notification: yes
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>X-Rc-Virus: 2007-09-13_01
>X-Rc-Spam: 2008-11-04_01
>
>: Re: MATE's workspaces almost what I want
>Richard Owlett wrote: 
>> In MATE you can have different applications open in each workspace.
>> 
>> I would like to have a diff
>Please stop the message. we have already unsubscribed our email address.
>
--- End Message ---


Re: Debian en un mòbil? Estàs de conya?

2021-10-08 Thread Joan
El Fri, 8 Oct 2021 09:40:45 +0200
Narcis Garcia  va escriure:

> Per cert, no trobo res de Mobian a l'enciclopèdia.
> 
> Narcís.


Aquí tens "la seva" enciclopèdia:

https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=start

I a la wiki, la versió francesa:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobian

Ara miro de fer una primera entrada en català :-p

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ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
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es la única manera" Albert Einstein

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mateixos quan siguem forts” Lluís Maria Xirinacs



Re: Debian en un mòbil? Estàs de conya?

2021-10-08 Thread Joan
El Fri, 8 Oct 2021 09:40:45 +0200
Narcis Garcia  va escriure:

> Fent chroot:


No sé massa que és chroot, però diria que no cal fer res de tot això.
ja li he respost al missatge anterior, però jo faig tot això que ell
demana de sèrie.

> 
> . es pot xifrar el dispositiu? Sí, sempre i quan el contenidor no
> sigui un simple directori sinó una imatge de disc (muntada amb
> ploop). No sé si l'assistent «Debian Kit» ajuda en això.
> 
> . firefox homologable i que funcioni i amb plugins de privacitat? Sí,
> dins un contenidor.
> 
> . vpn's, tor? Sí.
> 
> . hotspot? No crec.
> 
> 
> Per cert, no trobo res de Mobian a l'enciclopèdia.
> 
> Narcís.
> 
> 
> El 7/10/21 a les 16:49, xavi ha escrit:
> > Hola,
> > 
> > Ho vaig fer servir durant un parell d'anys un mòbil amb ubuntu touch
> > (actualment em sembla que es diuen ubports: (https://ubports.com) .
> > I bueno, no vaig quedar gaire content. Coses que considerem molt
> > bàsiques en un dispositiu no acabaven de funcionar:
> > 
> > . No es podia xifrar el dispositiu.
> > 
> > . Malgrat el nom i que era un linux l'extra gran majoria dels
> > programes disponibles eren webapps bastant poc elaborades.
> > 
> > . Fer servir programes nadius de linux (via apt) o apps d'android
> > (via emulador) era bastant un cristo.
> > 
> > . Un aspecte important era que el navegador era molt i molt cutre.
> > Molt. Amb tots els respectes. Instal·lar un firefox i no dic ja un
> > firefox amb plugins de seguretat i etc era bastant una odisea.
> > 
> > . oblida't d'instal·lar-li whatsapp. De fet no es podia hasta per
> > llicència o algo així.
> > 
> > Entre les coses positives:
> > 
> > . funcionaven coses com Telegram, Signal...
> > 
> > . el client de correu era bastant presentable i diria que casi
> > homologable a k-9.
> > 
> > . era un sistema molt ràpid.
> > 
> > . comparat amb les alternatives existents (mobian), pot còrrer en
> > diversos dispositius i cada cop més.
> > 
> > Però tenia les mancances que us dic, que a mi al final me'l feia ja
> > inusable. Al final va petar el micro de l'OnePlus One on corria i
> > pensant-me que era un error de software vaig treure-li l'ubports
> > per una lineage, i fins ara.
> > 
> > Em sap greu rajar així d'un projecte molt maco portat per una gent
> > trobo que bastant genial. Però al final vaig acabar havent de
> > tornar a ~android a l'espera de que tal va mobian en producció
> > sobre pinephone. Per si hi han usuaris per aquí, pregunto:
> > 
> > . es pot xifrar el dispositiu?
> > 
> > . firefox homologable i que funcioni i amb plugins de privacitat?
> > 
> > . vpn's, tor?
> > 
> > . hotspot?
> > 
> > Gràcies i salut :)
> > 
> > On 2021-10-07 13:55, Narcis Garcia wrote:  
> >> Jo no he provat mai el WhatsApp. Ja em sento còmode amb SMS, XMPP
> >> i el correu electrònic.
> >>
> >> Deu fer des del 2008 que disposo d'un telèfon Nokia N900, que ja
> >> portava de fàbrica una distribució derivada de Debian (Maemo).
> >> Segueix funcionant perfectament per a tot allò que faig en les
> >> meves comunicacions (veu, Internet, etc.).
> >>
> >> Entremig vaig fer servir una temporada un telèfon amb Android i,
> >> per a suplir les mancances, li vaig instal·lar Ubuntu i Debian
> >> mitjançant chroot. Això fins que es va morir l'aparell i vaig
> >> tornar a Maemo, que a més a més va amb un derivat de Gnome 3
> >> (Hildon).
> >>
> >> Ni m'espia ni m'explota.
> >>
> >> Ara em sembla que hi ha disponible la versió «Maemo Leste».
> >>
> >>
> >> El 7/10/21 a les 13:17, Blackhold ha escrit:  
> >>> molt interessant! a mi una de les coses que em tira enrere és el
> >>> punyetero whatsapp (també l'economia per comprar un telèfon
> >>> específic).
> >>>
> >>> Per whatsapp a linux he vist això:
> >>>
> >>> https://blog.desdelinux.net/como-usar-whatsapp-en-linux-con-pidgin/
> >>>
> >>> No sé si algú ho ha provat
> >>>
> >>> - Blackhold
> >>> http://blackhold.nusepas.com
> >>> @blackhold_  
> >>> ~> cal lluitar contra el fort per deixar de ser febles, i contra  
> >>> nosaltres mateixos quan siguem forts (Xirinacs)
> >>> <°((( ><
> >>>
> >>> Missatge de Joan  del dia dj., 7 d’oct.
> >>> 2021 a les 8:39:  
> 
>  Un vídeo de mitja hora:
> 
>  https://saimei.ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2021/MiniDebConf-Regensburg/debian-on-a-smart-phone-are-you-serious.lq.webm
> 
> 
>  -- 
>  Joan Cervan i Andreu
>  http://personal.calbasi.net
> 
>  "El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser,
>  el de ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els
>  quals un món no val la pena viure'l" A. Camus
> 
>  i pels que teniu fe:
>  "Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
>  Gandhi
> 
>  "Donar exemple no és la principal manera de influir sobre els
>  altres; es la única manera" Albert Einstein
> 
>  “Lluitarem contra el fort mentre siguem febles i contra nosaltres
>  mateixos quan siguem forts” Lluís Maria Xirinacs
>   
> >>>  
> >   
> 



-- 
Joan Cervan 

Re: Debian en un mòbil? Estàs de conya?

2021-10-08 Thread Joan
Miro de respondre entre línies les diferències amb un mòbil amb Mobian:

El Thu, 07 Oct 2021 14:49:23 +
xavi  va escriure:

> Hola,
> 
> Ho vaig fer servir durant un parell d'anys un mòbil amb ubuntu touch 
> (actualment em sembla que es diuen ubports: (https://ubports.com) . I 
> bueno, no vaig quedar gaire content. Coses que considerem molt
> bàsiques en un dispositiu no acabaven de funcionar:
> 
> . No es podia xifrar el dispositiu.


És el primer que et demana Mobian, si el vols xifrar :-) Jo l'uso
xifrat.


> 
> . Malgrat el nom i que era un linux l'extra gran majoria dels
> programes disponibles eren webapps bastant poc elaborades.


Amb Firefox passava algo semblant, només apps d'html5. La idea a
Mobian, usant phosh, és que les mateixes apps del PC/portàtil son les
que usaràs al mòbil. De fet Phosh el que fa és posar-ho fàcil perquè
els creadors de les diferents apps apliquin aquesta llibreria per dotar
les seves apps de "adaptabilitat" a pantalles petites com el mòbil.


> 
> . Fer servir programes nadius de linux (via apt) o apps d'android
> (via emulador) era bastant un cristo.


Aquí les nidiues, com he comentat, son les que tens. I les de
l'emulador ni idea, però els videos que es veuien de Waydroid semblen
bastant xulos i senzill de usar...


> 
> . Un aspecte important era que el navegador era molt i molt cutre.
> Molt. Amb tots els respectes. Instal·lar un firefox i no dic ja un
> firefox amb plugins de seguretat i etc era bastant una odisea.


Jo a Mobian uso Firefox (diria que ve instal·lat, però no n'estic
segur), o el de Gnome (ephifany?), que et permet posar a la pantalla
principal una web com amb un accés directe, com si fos una app. Però
pots instal·lar qualsevol altre navegador que funcioni a Debian. Ara
bé, seran més o menys adaptables a les pantalles petites, segon el que
hagin currat. Aquí tens l'estat de les apps segons si ja estan molt
adaptades a mòbils o no:

https://linmobapps.frama.io/


> 
> . oblida't d'instal·lar-li whatsapp. De fet no es podia hasta per 
> llicència o algo així.
> 
> Entre les coses positives:
> 
> . funcionaven coses com Telegram, Signal...



Jo uso Telegram Desktop al meu Pinephone. No va tant bé com a l'app,
però tampoc va malament.

> 
> . el client de correu era bastant presentable i diria que casi 
> homologable a k-9.


El millor a Mobian és Geary.


> 
> . era un sistema molt ràpid.


Mobian a pinephone (un maquinari de gamma baixa) NO és tant ràpid com
Android al meu antic mòbil (amb diferència). No sé que tal serà amb un
mòbil de gamma alta (Librem 5). Però diria que a part del maquinari, hi
ha molt de recorregut de desenvolupament a nivell de software (que no
tot és maquinari vaja).


> 
> . comparat amb les alternatives existents (mobian), pot còrrer en 
> diversos dispositius i cada cop més.

Mobian també:

https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=devices

Últimament han afegit 2 dispositius "d'Android".

> 
> Però tenia les mancances que us dic, que a mi al final me'l feia ja 
> inusable. Al final va petar el micro de l'OnePlus One on corria i 
> pensant-me que era un error de software vaig treure-li l'ubports per
> una lineage, i fins ara.
> 
> Em sap greu rajar així d'un projecte molt maco portat per una gent
> trobo que bastant genial. Però al final vaig acabar havent de tornar
> a ~android a l'espera de que tal va mobian en producció sobre
> pinephone. Per si hi han usuaris per aquí, pregunto:
> 
> . es pot xifrar el dispositiu?

Si, d'entrada.

> 
> . firefox homologable i que funcioni i amb plugins de privacitat?


Tens els mateixos programes que al teu portàtil. O sigui, si.

> 
> . vpn's, tor?


Suposo que si. Tot el que corri al teu portàtil.


> 
> . hotspot?


Si

Salut!

> 
> Gràcies i salut :)
> 
> On 2021-10-07 13:55, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> > Jo no he provat mai el WhatsApp. Ja em sento còmode amb SMS, XMPP i
> > el correu electrònic.
> > 
> > Deu fer des del 2008 que disposo d'un telèfon Nokia N900, que ja 
> > portava
> > de fàbrica una distribució derivada de Debian (Maemo). Segueix
> > funcionant perfectament per a tot allò que faig en les meves
> > comunicacions (veu, Internet, etc.).
> > 
> > Entremig vaig fer servir una temporada un telèfon amb Android i,
> > per a suplir les mancances, li vaig instal·lar Ubuntu i Debian
> > mitjançant chroot. Això fins que es va morir l'aparell i vaig
> > tornar a Maemo, que a
> > més a més va amb un derivat de Gnome 3 (Hildon).
> > 
> > Ni m'espia ni m'explota.
> > 
> > Ara em sembla que hi ha disponible la versió «Maemo Leste».
> > 
> > 
> > El 7/10/21 a les 13:17, Blackhold ha escrit:  
> >> molt interessant! a mi una de les coses que em tira enrere és el
> >> punyetero whatsapp (també l'economia per comprar un telèfon
> >> específic).
> >> 
> >> Per whatsapp a linux he vist això:
> >> 
> >> https://blog.desdelinux.net/como-usar-whatsapp-en-linux-con-pidgin/
> >> 
> >> No sé si algú ho ha provat
> >> 
> >> - Blackhold
> >> http://blackhold.nusepas.com
> >> @blackhold_  
> 

Re: Ot: 6 or 7 nights to download a CD

2021-10-08 Thread Russell L. Harris

On Fri, Oct 08, 2021 at 11:23:46AM -0400, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:

There was one download manager that sold itself because it focused on
being able to continue on without having to restart the download.
Whatever that one in-browser manager was, that was my HERO for a
number of years... until I discovered wget. Once in a while there will
be a "gatekeeper" (cookie reliant) instance where wget also doesn't
work still and though.


I have not followed this thread, but hopefully someone mentioned jigo
-- the jigsaw downloader.

RLH


--
How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight,
except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?
- Deuteronomy 32:30



Re: Debian en un mòbil? Estàs de conya?

2021-10-08 Thread Joan
Al mòbils de linux pots usar un dels dos emuladors per Android:

Waydroid sembla que és el que va millor:

https://github.com/waydroid/waydroid

(per cert, diria que també es pot fer servir per l'escriptori)

-- 
Joan Cervan i Andreu
http://personal.calbasi.net

"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
Gandhi

"Donar exemple no és la principal manera de influir sobre els altres;
es la única manera" Albert Einstein

“Lluitarem contra el fort mentre siguem febles i contra nosaltres
mateixos quan siguem forts” Lluís Maria Xirinacs


El Thu, 7 Oct 2021 13:17:59 +0200
Blackhold  va escriure:

> molt interessant! a mi una de les coses que em tira enrere és el
> punyetero whatsapp (també l'economia per comprar un telèfon
> específic).
> 
> Per whatsapp a linux he vist això:
> 
> https://blog.desdelinux.net/como-usar-whatsapp-en-linux-con-pidgin/
> 
> No sé si algú ho ha provat
> 
> - Blackhold
> http://blackhold.nusepas.com
> @blackhold_
> ~> cal lluitar contra el fort per deixar de ser febles, i contra  
> nosaltres mateixos quan siguem forts (Xirinacs)
> <°((( ><
> 
> Missatge de Joan  del dia dj., 7 d’oct. 2021 a
> les 8:39:
> >
> > Un vídeo de mitja hora:
> >
> > https://saimei.ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2021/MiniDebConf-Regensburg/debian-on-a-smart-phone-are-you-serious.lq.webm
> >
> > --
> > Joan Cervan i Andreu
> > http://personal.calbasi.net
> >
> > "El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
> > ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món
> > no val la pena viure'l" A. Camus
> >
> > i pels que teniu fe:
> > "Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
> > Gandhi
> >
> > "Donar exemple no és la principal manera de influir sobre els
> > altres; es la única manera" Albert Einstein
> >
> > “Lluitarem contra el fort mentre siguem febles i contra nosaltres
> > mateixos quan siguem forts” Lluís Maria Xirinacs
> >  
> 



-- 
Joan Cervan i Andreu
http://personal.calbasi.net

"El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

i pels que teniu fe:
"Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
Gandhi

"Donar exemple no és la principal manera de influir sobre els altres;
es la única manera" Albert Einstein

“Lluitarem contra el fort mentre siguem febles i contra nosaltres
mateixos quan siguem forts” Lluís Maria Xirinacs



Re: MATE's workspaces almost what I want

2021-10-08 Thread Richard Owlett

On 10/08/2021 09:59 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:

In MATE you can have different applications open in each workspace.

I would like to have a different set of icons displayed for each workspace.

Is there a desktop environment similar to MATE that can do that?


With wmctrl, lots of things are possible. Maybe even in MATE
itself.

Here's an XFCE example:

https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8380

-dsr-


Thank you.
One of this weekend's tasks is putting Bullseye on one machine.
If wmctrl won't work with MATE, I'll see which desktop it will work with 
suits my desires best.







Re: Chemfig Latex compile program

2021-10-08 Thread Curt
On 2021-10-08, lina  wrote:
>
> *l.24 \setdoublesep  {0.2 em}  % 'Bond Spacing'*
>
>

I'm reading that the '\setdoublesep' macro is obsolete and has been
replaced by '\setchemfig{}'. Maybe this has something to do with the
error being thrown.


https://ctan.org/ctan-ann/id/mailman.2235.1520625403.5100.ctan-...@ctan.org?lang=en

http://tug.ctan.org/macros/generic/chemfig/chemfig-en.pdf



Re: Ot: 6 or 7 nights to download a CD (was: Re: RJ-11 phone line)

2021-10-08 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 10/8/21, rhkra...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Thursday, October 07, 2021 07:43:02 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
>> Note that a minimal Debian install is around 500 MB, which would
>> take around 24 hours of a perfect 56K modem connection.
>
> I can remember when I got a fast modem (I forget if it was 28 or 33 kbps)
> and
> felt it was now reasonable to download an entire CD, doing it in 6 or 7
> nights
> (stopping it every morning to use the Internet for other stuff, restarting
> it
> every night.)
>
> (Wait, hopefully, that wasn't me that did that, maybe it was my grandfather


You were lucky to be able to continue on. Those were the days when
that wasn't an almost demanded prerequisite as part of a download
manager, e.g. wget's "-c / --continue" flag. Connections were so
flaky, so unstable that even a 3 or 4 megabyte sized file was an all
day event.

The last year that I was on dialup, the local provider suddenly sped
up to maybe taking an hour to download those same 3 or 4 megabyte
files. As it turned out, I was about the only person left using their
dialup server. It was faster because there was no competing web
traffic from other ISP customers.

There was one download manager that sold itself because it focused on
being able to continue on without having to restart the download.
Whatever that one in-browser manager was, that was my HERO for a
number of years... until I discovered wget. Once in a while there will
be a "gatekeeper" (cookie reliant) instance where wget also doesn't
work still and though.

The World needs to obsolete anything that's slower than the cheap
service I'm using right now (whatever it is). Speedier Internet
connections are a LIFE-altering necessity in the Age of Technology.
Beyond that, COVID-19 has turned quality of at-home Internet service
into a checkpoint regarding one's employability.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *



Re: Chemfig Latex compile program

2021-10-08 Thread Jerome BENOIT

Hello Lina, can you provide a more minimal sample that reproduce the error ?
Best wishes,
Jerome

On 08/10/2021 15:59, lina wrote:

Hi,

When I updated the system, the following .tex code does not work, it shows the 
error likes this:

(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/chemformula/chemformula.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xfrac/xfrac.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/textcomp.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xtemplate/xtemplate.sty))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/units/nicefrac.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ifthen.sty)))
! Undefined control sequence.
*l.24 \setdoublesep
                   {0.2 em}  % 'Bond Spacing'*


\NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2e}[1997/12/01]
\documentclass[
     journal=jacsat,
     manuscript=article
     ]{achemso}

\usepackage[version=3]{mhchem}
\usepackage{wrapfig}
\usepackage{subfig}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{threeparttable}
\usepackage{longtable,booktabs}
\usepackage[table, svgnames, dvipsnames]{xcolor}
\usepackage[first=0,last=9]{lcg}


\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{chemfig,chemmacros}
%\chemsetup[chemformula]{format=\sffamily}
\usepackage{chemformula}
\renewcommand*\printatom[1]{\ensuremath{\mathsf{#1}}}

\setdoublesep{0.2 em}  % 'Bond Spacing'
\setatomsep{1.45 em}    % 'Fixed Length'
\setbondoffset{0.1 em} % 'Margin Width'
\newcommand{\bondwidth}{0.08 em} % 'Line Width'
\setbondstyle{line width = \bondwidth}
\setcrambond{2pt}{}{}

\usetikzlibrary{decorations}
\pgfdeclaredecoration{ddbond}{initial}{
   \state{initial}[width=4pt]{
     \pgfpathlineto{\pgfpoint{4pt}{0pt}}
     %\pgfpathmoveto{\pgfpoint{2pt}{2pt}}
     \pgfpathmoveto{\pgfpoint{1pt}{2pt}}
     \pgfpathlineto{\pgfpoint{2pt}{2pt}}
    \pgfpathmoveto{\pgfpoint{3pt}{2pt}}
     \pgfpathlineto{\pgfpoint{4pt}{2pt}}
     \pgfpathmoveto{\pgfpoint{4pt}{0pt}}
   }
   \state{final}{
     \pgfpathlineto{\pgfpointdecoratedpathlast}
   }
}


\begin{document}

\end{document}




Re: MATE's workspaces almost what I want

2021-10-08 Thread Dan Ritter
Richard Owlett wrote: 
> In MATE you can have different applications open in each workspace.
> 
> I would like to have a different set of icons displayed for each workspace.
> 
> Is there a desktop environment similar to MATE that can do that?

With wmctrl, lots of things are possible. Maybe even in MATE
itself.

Here's an XFCE example:

https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8380

-dsr-



MATE's workspaces almost what I want

2021-10-08 Thread Richard Owlett

In MATE you can have different applications open in each workspace.

I would like to have a different set of icons displayed for each workspace.

Is there a desktop environment similar to MATE that can do that?

TIA




Re: Kali Linux et Orca

2021-10-08 Thread Raphaël POITEVIN
Bonjour,

Je ne sais pas si il y aura des gens informés sur Kali Linux, mais pour
es questions spécifique à l’accessibilité déficience visuelle, je
t’invite à t’inscrire sur Carrefourblinux :
"carrefourblinux-requ...@lists.tuxfamily.org" avec le sujet "subscribe".

Cordialement,

Raphaël

Pierre ESTREM  writes:

>     Bonjour,
>
> Un peu hors sujet.
>
> Etant bigle j'ai choisi l'install vocalisée via le net de Kali Linux
> (dernier item du GRUB).
> Alors l'install se fait en console assisté de espeak TOUT COMME AVEC DEBIAN.
>
> Malheureusement, alors qu'avec Debian, au boot, dès le Lightdm j'avais
> Orca démarré et avec Kali PAS D'AUDIO0...
>
> Si quelqu'un connaît la procédure pourfaire cette "net install" avec
> espeak puis de suite Orca démarré, qu'il le dise... svp...
>
> Merci
> pierre estrem



Chemfig Latex compile program

2021-10-08 Thread lina
Hi,

When I updated the system, the following .tex code does not work, it shows
the error likes this:

(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/chemformula/chemformula.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xfrac/xfrac.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/textcomp.sty)
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/l3packages/xtemplate/xtemplate.sty))
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/units/nicefrac.sty
(/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/ifthen.sty)))
! Undefined control sequence.

*l.24 \setdoublesep  {0.2 em}  % 'Bond Spacing'*


\NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2e}[1997/12/01]
\documentclass[
journal=jacsat,
manuscript=article
]{achemso}

\usepackage[version=3]{mhchem}
\usepackage{wrapfig}
\usepackage{subfig}
\usepackage{graphicx}
\usepackage{threeparttable}
\usepackage{longtable,booktabs}
\usepackage[table, svgnames, dvipsnames]{xcolor}
\usepackage[first=0,last=9]{lcg}


\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{chemfig,chemmacros}
%\chemsetup[chemformula]{format=\sffamily}
\usepackage{chemformula}
\renewcommand*\printatom[1]{\ensuremath{\mathsf{#1}}}

\setdoublesep{0.2 em}  % 'Bond Spacing'
\setatomsep{1.45 em}% 'Fixed Length'
\setbondoffset{0.1 em} % 'Margin Width'
\newcommand{\bondwidth}{0.08 em} % 'Line Width'
\setbondstyle{line width = \bondwidth}
\setcrambond{2pt}{}{}

\usetikzlibrary{decorations}
\pgfdeclaredecoration{ddbond}{initial}{
  \state{initial}[width=4pt]{
\pgfpathlineto{\pgfpoint{4pt}{0pt}}
%\pgfpathmoveto{\pgfpoint{2pt}{2pt}}
\pgfpathmoveto{\pgfpoint{1pt}{2pt}}
\pgfpathlineto{\pgfpoint{2pt}{2pt}}
   \pgfpathmoveto{\pgfpoint{3pt}{2pt}}
\pgfpathlineto{\pgfpoint{4pt}{2pt}}
\pgfpathmoveto{\pgfpoint{4pt}{0pt}}
  }
  \state{final}{
\pgfpathlineto{\pgfpointdecoratedpathlast}
  }
}


\begin{document}

\end{document}


Re: bullseye and running graphics over ssh

2021-10-08 Thread Махно
Maybe you should try put xrdb -load ~/.Xresources to .xinitrc file?

2021-10-08, pn, 09:56 Andrei POPESCU  rašė:

> On Jo, 07 oct 21, 14:46:14, D. R. Evans wrote:
> >
> > ssh_config was overwritten. Normally when a config file I've altered is
> > overwritten during an upgrade, I expect to be told and to be given a
> chance
> > to do something sensible -- and that didn't happen in the case of the
> global
> > ssh configuration file.
>
> If this is about /etc/ssh/ssh_config[1] then it would be a serious bug
> in either openssh-client or dpkg if you can reproduce it.
>
> [1] which is a dpkg conffile, not "just" a configuration file.
>
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> --
> http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
>


Ot: 6 or 7 nights to download a CD (was: Re: RJ-11 phone line)

2021-10-08 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, October 07, 2021 07:43:02 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> Note that a minimal Debian install is around 500 MB, which would
> take around 24 hours of a perfect 56K modem connection.

I can remember when I got a fast modem (I forget if it was 28 or 33 kbps) and 
felt it was now reasonable to download an entire CD, doing it in 6 or 7 nights 
(stopping it every morning to use the Internet for other stuff, restarting it 
every night.)  

(Wait, hopefully, that wasn't me that did that, maybe it was my grandfather 
;-)



Re: [OT] Montar mi propio NAS casero

2021-10-08 Thread alfon
> El uso de una Raspberry Pi 4 es precisamente por su bajo consumo energético 
> para estar 24x7. Pero por lo que veo hay que usar el modelo CM y luego una 
> tarjeta que incluye las 4 interfaces SATA con lo que da para montar un RAID 
> 10 o 5, lo suyo es usar discos SSD en lugar de mecánicos para bajar aún más 
> el consumo.
>

Por si sirve de algo yo uso una Rpi B+ normalita con dos discos USB
mecánicos para mi casa, y lleva funcionando un par de años 24x7 sin
problemas (excepto cuando se va la luz)

> Pero claro llegados a este punto empieza a preocupar el consumo total, la 
> refrigeración, y el desempeño.
>

No he medido el consumo a la peseta, pero no he visto nada alarmante
en la factura. En mi caso no hace falta refrigerar y el desempeño es
bueno para lo que yo la uso (disco compartido en red para ver pelis,
guardar documentos y hacer copias de seguridad de un disco a otro)

> La idea de montar un NAS así es para usarlo como BACKUP, como DLNA, o 
> compartir archivos por Samba o NFS que parece rinde mejor.
>

Exactamente para eso la uso yo (copias de seguridad y compartir
ficheros mediante NFS) Lo de DLNA no sé lo que es...

> Al final tenemos que medir el dinero que nos dejamos para montar ésto y el 
> consumo energético diario, compararlo con un NAS profesional de Synology.
>
> Saludos.

Sobre esto no digo nada porque no lo he comparado, pero creo que sale
ganando la Rpi B+

También hay que tener en cuenta la cantidad de usuarios que utilicen
el servidor de disco.



(deb-cat) Contrasenyes per a CalDAV a Thunderbird

2021-10-08 Thread Narcis Garcia
M'he trobat amb diversos ordinadors, amb Debian 10 i Debian 11, que el
Mozilla Thunderbird no recorda la contrasenya del calendari ni de la
llibreta d'adreces.
Em refereixo a recursos subscrits amb els protocols CalDAV i CardDAV.

També ho he provat amb sessions «Live» per a descartar altres problemes,
i res de res: Em demana usuari i contrasenya per a accedir al calendari
remot (que està servit amb DAViCal), ofereix la casella per a recordar
la contrasenya, però a la següent sessió ho torna a demanar.

Les contrasenyes dels comptes IMAP, POP3, SMTP les desa i reutilitza
sense problema.

Algú més s'hi ha trobat?

Gràcies;
Narcís

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Re: Debian en un mòbil? Estàs de conya?

2021-10-08 Thread Narcis Garcia
Fent chroot:

. es pot xifrar el dispositiu? Sí, sempre i quan el contenidor no sigui
un simple directori sinó una imatge de disc (muntada amb ploop). No sé
si l'assistent «Debian Kit» ajuda en això.

. firefox homologable i que funcioni i amb plugins de privacitat? Sí,
dins un contenidor.

. vpn's, tor? Sí.

. hotspot? No crec.


Per cert, no trobo res de Mobian a l'enciclopèdia.

Narcís.


El 7/10/21 a les 16:49, xavi ha escrit:
> Hola,
> 
> Ho vaig fer servir durant un parell d'anys un mòbil amb ubuntu touch
> (actualment em sembla que es diuen ubports: (https://ubports.com) . I
> bueno, no vaig quedar gaire content. Coses que considerem molt bàsiques
> en un dispositiu no acabaven de funcionar:
> 
> . No es podia xifrar el dispositiu.
> 
> . Malgrat el nom i que era un linux l'extra gran majoria dels programes
> disponibles eren webapps bastant poc elaborades.
> 
> . Fer servir programes nadius de linux (via apt) o apps d'android (via
> emulador) era bastant un cristo.
> 
> . Un aspecte important era que el navegador era molt i molt cutre. Molt.
> Amb tots els respectes. Instal·lar un firefox i no dic ja un firefox amb
> plugins de seguretat i etc era bastant una odisea.
> 
> . oblida't d'instal·lar-li whatsapp. De fet no es podia hasta per
> llicència o algo així.
> 
> Entre les coses positives:
> 
> . funcionaven coses com Telegram, Signal...
> 
> . el client de correu era bastant presentable i diria que casi
> homologable a k-9.
> 
> . era un sistema molt ràpid.
> 
> . comparat amb les alternatives existents (mobian), pot còrrer en
> diversos dispositius i cada cop més.
> 
> Però tenia les mancances que us dic, que a mi al final me'l feia ja
> inusable. Al final va petar el micro de l'OnePlus One on corria i
> pensant-me que era un error de software vaig treure-li l'ubports per una
> lineage, i fins ara.
> 
> Em sap greu rajar així d'un projecte molt maco portat per una gent trobo
> que bastant genial. Però al final vaig acabar havent de tornar a
> ~android a l'espera de que tal va mobian en producció sobre pinephone.
> Per si hi han usuaris per aquí, pregunto:
> 
> . es pot xifrar el dispositiu?
> 
> . firefox homologable i que funcioni i amb plugins de privacitat?
> 
> . vpn's, tor?
> 
> . hotspot?
> 
> Gràcies i salut :)
> 
> On 2021-10-07 13:55, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>> Jo no he provat mai el WhatsApp. Ja em sento còmode amb SMS, XMPP i el
>> correu electrònic.
>>
>> Deu fer des del 2008 que disposo d'un telèfon Nokia N900, que ja portava
>> de fàbrica una distribució derivada de Debian (Maemo). Segueix
>> funcionant perfectament per a tot allò que faig en les meves
>> comunicacions (veu, Internet, etc.).
>>
>> Entremig vaig fer servir una temporada un telèfon amb Android i, per a
>> suplir les mancances, li vaig instal·lar Ubuntu i Debian mitjançant
>> chroot. Això fins que es va morir l'aparell i vaig tornar a Maemo, que a
>> més a més va amb un derivat de Gnome 3 (Hildon).
>>
>> Ni m'espia ni m'explota.
>>
>> Ara em sembla que hi ha disponible la versió «Maemo Leste».
>>
>>
>> El 7/10/21 a les 13:17, Blackhold ha escrit:
>>> molt interessant! a mi una de les coses que em tira enrere és el
>>> punyetero whatsapp (també l'economia per comprar un telèfon
>>> específic).
>>>
>>> Per whatsapp a linux he vist això:
>>>
>>> https://blog.desdelinux.net/como-usar-whatsapp-en-linux-con-pidgin/
>>>
>>> No sé si algú ho ha provat
>>>
>>> - Blackhold
>>> http://blackhold.nusepas.com
>>> @blackhold_
>>> ~> cal lluitar contra el fort per deixar de ser febles, i contra
>>> nosaltres mateixos quan siguem forts (Xirinacs)
>>> <°((( ><
>>>
>>> Missatge de Joan  del dia dj., 7 d’oct. 2021 a
>>> les 8:39:

 Un vídeo de mitja hora:

 https://saimei.ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2021/MiniDebConf-Regensburg/debian-on-a-smart-phone-are-you-serious.lq.webm


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 "El meu paper no és transformar el món ni l'home sinó, potser, el de
 ser útil, des del meu lloc, als pocs valors sense els quals un món no
 val la pena viure'l" A. Camus

 i pels que teniu fe:
 "Déu no és la Veritat, la Veritat és Déu"
 Gandhi

 "Donar exemple no és la principal manera de influir sobre els altres;
 es la única manera" Albert Einstein

 “Lluitarem contra el fort mentre siguem febles i contra nosaltres
 mateixos quan siguem forts” Lluís Maria Xirinacs

>>>
> 

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Re: bullseye and running graphics over ssh

2021-10-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 07 oct 21, 14:46:14, D. R. Evans wrote:
> 
> ssh_config was overwritten. Normally when a config file I've altered is
> overwritten during an upgrade, I expect to be told and to be given a chance
> to do something sensible -- and that didn't happen in the case of the global
> ssh configuration file. 

If this is about /etc/ssh/ssh_config[1] then it would be a serious bug 
in either openssh-client or dpkg if you can reproduce it.

[1] which is a dpkg conffile, not "just" a configuration file.

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Re: RJ-11 phone line

2021-10-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 07 oct 21, 19:23:17, Yixuan Lin wrote:
> Hello everyone, does debian installer supports to connect RJ-11 phone line
> in installer? I want to know about it. Thank you.
 
Can you tell us more about the device / adapter / whatever where this 
phone line connects to the computer?

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Re: Plasma config change?

2021-10-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 07 oct 21, 15:26:38, Hans wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2021, 12:55:49 CEST schrieben Sie:
> I am answering myself. Still could not dircover, in which version of plasma 
> the settings were changed.
> 
> The other thing is: Do not delete the folder ~/.kde, because by default it 
> keeps all your mails in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/, which is the default 
> place for storing mails. However, you can move this folder to another place 
> and reconfigure kmail.
> 
> But, even then, you can not delete the folder ~/.kde, as plasma is still 
> needing it for some files (i.e. kde.globals). I believe, this is just a bug, 
> and believe, the developers might have overseen this.
> 
> Please note, I am still running debian/stable, which means, that the plasma 
> version is 5.20, whilst the development in testing or unstable is already 
> 5.21.
> 
> So it looks like you will have either to upgrade to testing or unstable, or 
> just delete all configs below ~/.kde which are existent below ~/.config.
> 
> Maybe someone will write a transition script to get rid of unused config file 
> below ~/.kde. On the other hand, in about 2 years bookworm will be stable, 
> and 
> maybe this issue will be solved automatically.

This may or may not help in this particular situation, considering this 
is about a full-featured Desktop Environment (with which I have only 
limited experience).

Developers tend to be quite conservative on such moves and will err on 
the side of caution *if* the old folder is still present.

My usual strategy in the past has been to move the old folder out of the 
way and let the application recreate its stuff in the new location. Then 
move data / reconfigure as needed.

Hope this helps,
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Metar et pymetar

2021-10-08 Thread txodom
Bonjour, 
J'ai besoin d'un de ceux là dans un script pour me dire régulièrement le temps 
qu'il fait à Nîmes Garons. Sur deux de mes machines dont un raspberry, cela 
fonctionne parfaitement. Mais je n'arrive pas à le faire fonctionner sur un 
autre raspberry.

$ pymetar lftw
Something went wrong when fetching the report.
These usually are transient problems if the station ID is valid. 
The error encountered was:


metar -v -d lftw
Retrieving URL 
http://tgftp.nws.noaa.gov/data/observations/metar/stations/LFTW.TXT
METAR pattern not found in NOAA data.
Station   : 
Day   : 0
Time  : 00:00 UTC [...]


J'ai lu quelque part que ce type d'erreur provenait d'erreur de résolution 
de nom mais cela fonctionne pour tous les autres programmes et il n'y a pas 
lourd de documentation.

Qui en sait plus ?
Merci.