Re: exim4: local parts case sensitive
Hello, On 3/14/06, listrcv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, what's the reasoning behind having local parts case sensitive with exim4? Well RFC2822 says that the local part (i.e. localpart@domain) may be significant. However exim4 doesn't assume that by default. Maybe I better turn that off? It'll likely confuse senders. The option in generic router is called 'caseful_local_part' and it is off by default. Anand
Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...
On 3/13/06, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Sherohman said: You can attempt to convince the listmasters or the project as a whole in public without abusing them. (And it would be nice if they also replied to you in a calm, levelheaded manner as well...) Have I not been calm after the initial exchange with Anand? Of course that isn't a true test since he has been decidedly absent. I've already said what I needed to say. I've already pointed out how you, or anyone else, can go about changing things (refer to them the technical-committee or the project leader). Andrew Vaughan has even given you a concrete method to achieve this change. You can do that privately, or publically, if you wish (since you feel it is easy too ignore people in private I suspect you'll opt for publically). It would be difficult proposition for a pleasant person and I expect you'll have a tough time of it. So your continued emails on this subject aren't interesting to me. As others have pointed out, it was poor form of me to threathen to unsubscribe you. So I have not done this. I've been deliberately not responding in order to not fan this (pointless) thread any longer. Unfortunately the thread is (still) continuing - so I've now instituted a 1 day delay for emails on this thread. I'm the first to (suffer) so you'll receive this directly (now) and tomorrow via debian-user. Anand
Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...
On 3/12/06, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike McCarty said: I proposed a change in order to prevent such posts. I propose that messages which come from non-subscribed aliases be rejected from the list. This has been asked for and rejected for the past several years. On many things Debian is sensible. On this Debian is downright negligent and utterly stupid. Want to know the reason why it isn't implemented? It is because the listmasters, of which I am one, who read a lot of lists know precisely what happens when you close a list. People who want help can't get it. The whole *point* of debian-user is to facilitate that. Because maybe, somewhere, someone who's looking for support is going to somehow figure out how to set up Debian, get it online, get it sending and receiving mail yet be utterly incapable of filling out the webform to subscribe to the mailing list to receive help in order to set up Debian, get it online, get it sending and receiving mail. Yeah, head explosion time right there. Or, they might only have access to a webmail service like hotmail via Windows. And just maybe they are trying to setup networking, wifi, broadband or even dual-booting. If you are finding it all too trivial, perhaps debian-user isn't really for you. Anand
Re: Where to submitting a bug for GNOME panels
Hi Paoloa, On 3/12/06, Paolo Pantaleo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I found that when I try to move a GNOME panel (the ones where you put application lists, volume controller, application menu, etc.) I can place it far from scrren borders. After moving it, it is impossible to move it again. What package i submit the bug to? If you aren't sure of the package you can always do: $ dpkg -S /path/to/program $ reportbug package Later versions of reportbug, in testing or later, also understand: $ reportbug /path/to/program directly. Anand
Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...
Steve, On 3/13/06, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Marsh wrote: Because not every user who has a question wants to agree to receive hundreds of email messages a day as the price. Vacation. Pof, no emails. Imagine that. Because a community that accepts non-subscribed mail to its lists is friendlier than one that doesn't. No it's not. It's more neglegent but not friendlier. People's responses make it friendlier. No it's not. If you clap both your hands over your ears (analogous to restricting posting to subscribers only) but give responses when people pull one of your hands off, that isn't being friendly. Because subscribing to the list *is* a barrier, and *will* prevent a good number of people from asking their questions. No, it isn't. It's called being responsible. Preventing people from asking questions is being responsible? Open posting is *good*. Yes, I get spam because of it, These two statements are contrary. Open posting is *BAD*. In your opinion. In the opinion of the listmasters the benefits of open posting outweigh your arguments. As was said initially, this issue has been discussed many times. You can continue to discuss this if you like, but you aren't adding any value to other list participants. So if you want to discuss pleae refrain yourself and don't. Nothing is going to change, so if you aren't happy with the setup of debian-user then it probably isn't the list for you and you should consider unsubscribing. Anand
Re: Proposed change for subscriptions...
Steve, On 3/13/06, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anand Kumria wrote: It is because the listmasters, of which I am one, Good, finally a name to go with this idiocy. Anand Kumria, clueless list manager. You can see who all the listmasters are at http://www.debian.org/intro/organization/. You are also free to appeal to Debian technical-committee or the Debian Project Leader if you aren't happy with a decision made by the listmasters. who read a lot of lists know precisely what happens when you close a list. People who want help can't get it. Bull. You think you know. Now here's the flip side. [snip - ancedotes from someone who thinks the number of lists and number of subscribers he is responsible for is substainially larger than any debian-* list.] But what I do know and can be proven is that having an open list causes problems. Spam, given. Clueless AOL newbies constantly posting to the list thinking it is something else. Collateral damage from people who think Or collatorial damage from people who don't like the list policy but continually argue about it and want to change it. [snip - lots of pointless rants and garbage] Webbrowser, so they can actually clicky on the button to subscribe. Wow, immensely hard right there. Sorry, not buying it. That's okay Steve. Feel free not to buy it. However, I don't appreciate your tone. This is list is supposed to be helpful and constructive. I've outlined the reasons that the listmasters have taken the stance that is currently in place. If you aren't happy with that, then debian-user isn't the list for you and you should unsubscribe. In fact, if the tone of further emails from you matches this one or you continue on this topic I'll forcibly assist you in the process. Anand
gtk-gnutella
Hi, If you are using gtk-gnutella in Debian stable you may be aware that the program is no longer functional. Worse you'll be actively performing an active on other participants on the network. While I won't point out the futility of shipping stable but non-functional software, I'll instead try to explain how you can obtain a version that *is* functional. I was hoping to be able to point most Debian users to prebuilt binaries, but there exists no facility within Debian that allows for updates to a package in stable in order to keep it functional. Instead, please follow these instructions: mkdir ~/gtk-gnutella cd ~/gtk-gnutella (as root): apt-get install build-essential wget http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/g/gtk-gnutella/gtk-gnutella_0.96b.orig.tar.gz wget http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/g/gtk-gnutella/gtk-gnutella_0.96b-1.diff.gz wget http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/g/gtk-gnutella/gtk-gnutella_0.96b-1.dsc dpkg-source gtk-gnutella_0.96b-1.dsc cd gtk-gnutella-0.96b dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc The last step may fail and complain about a number of other packages you need to install, if so, '(as root) apt-get install packages' and then try again. At the end you should have a viable gtk-gnutella servent which no longer damages the network and also provides you with increased functionality (IPv6 access) and security (TLS). Please feel free to send me email if you have any difficulties. Regards, Anand PS: This will also work for Ubuntu and Mephis users who have contacted me privately. -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: gtk-gnutella
Hi Steve, On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 07:09:20PM +, Steve Kemp wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2006 at 05:40:42AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: wget http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/g/gtk-gnutella/gtk-gnutella_0.96b.orig.tar.gz wget http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/g/gtk-gnutella/gtk-gnutella_0.96b-1.diff.gz wget http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/g/gtk-gnutella/gtk-gnutella_0.96b-1.dsc dpkg-source gtk-gnutella_0.96b-1.dsc That should be: dpkg-source -x gtk-gnutella_0.96b-1.dsc Without the '-x' you'll not have the source unpacked. Good catch, thanks. The last step may fail and complain about a number of other packages you need to install, if so, '(as root) apt-get install packages' and then try again. apt-get build-dep gtp-gnutella ? Assuming the dependencies are unchanged between Sarge and unstable. Ah, yes, I'd forgotton about that too. Thanks again. Regards, Anand -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: File systems -- reiser vs. ext3
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:51:36AM -0500, Daniel B. wrote: Hall Stevenson wrote: ...(see this page, http://www.zip.au/~akpm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html, for full info), etc, ... Is anyone else having trouble accessing that page (unknown host)? .au operates a three-level domain heirarchy. The URL is: URL: http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html Regards, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bogomips ?
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 08:05:24AM +0200, Egor Tur wrote: Hi. A little question: programme `linux_logo' show 1264.84 Bogomips Total on my system, but `bogomips' - 634.00 BogoMips. Why do these values be different? Possibly you have a dual-CPU machine since 634*2 ~= 1264. Cat /proc/cpuinfo for the actual value(s) and add up each bogomips line. Regards, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reply To Field in emails
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 04:36:04PM +0530, Sharninder wrote: It's not that way on the NANOG list that I'm on. Couldn't you just use the Reply-All and then the list will be included in the Cc: address? i used reply all on this mail ... the CC: now had the list address,my address and the to still had the original poster's address. The linux-india-* mailing lists that i am on are on mailman at sourceforge ... there i only do a reply and the to field has the list address [EMAIL PROTECTED] this some fault (feauture !!) in the list management software used at lists.debian.org Actually, Reply should really be a menu option (like it is in the Exmh program) rather than a function. Sometimes you want to reply to the From: and CC: only (commonly known as Reply-All) and sometimes you want to respond only to the CC'd people and sometimes you want to reply just to the sender. Each individual will have their sense of what is right and which ones are more common (for me, it is more common to only reply to those CC'd -- sometimes known as a list reply). A good mail client will let you customise. Unfortunately not everyone uses a reasonably mail client - my recommendation would be for you to fill in the Reply-To field with your preference. Another field to use is Mail-Followup-To but too many clients make it extremely tedious to override the senders choice -- hence why setting Reply-To yourself should be preferred. Regards, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[ADMIN] Unsubscription problems
Hi there, A number of people have reported problems with unsubscribing from various lists, principally debian-user and debian-devel. We, the listmaster team, believe we have fixed the underlying problem and you should merrily be able to [un]subscribe as needed. Please inform us if you aren't but keep in mind that you may not get a response with 24 hours. Three to four days is the norm. Thanks, Anand -- Linux.Conf.Au -- http://linux.conf.au/ 17th - 20th January,-- Alan Cox, David Miller, Sydney, Australia -- Tridge, maddog and you?
Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation
On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: So? I didn't say it was. I didn't say that Debian maintainers should clean up upstream documentation. I just argued that in doc directory, which typically contains a mess of upstream files, there should be a file that is easily recognizable (having a standard name) as the Debian README file. README.Debian exists in the package(s) which have made substainial changes to how the package operates. If it exists it contains important information that the maintainer wanted you to read. Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all. ls -l /usr/doc/foo dpkg -L foo |grep bin dpkg -L foo |grep man dpkg -L foo |grep info works for *every* package. (Yes, I know it would be more efficient to combine into one dpkg -L command, I left it as an exercise for the reader.) If Debian really thinks that is sufficient, then this is hopeless. What makes it insufficient? It give you all the information you were orginially asking for (starting points to explore further). Anand
Re: MacIntosh diskettes
On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, Guido Bozzetto wrote: How can I configure a Debian 1.3.1 box to read and write on/to Mac diskettes and which programs can I use ? You won't be able to read or write low-density disks, only disks which are in 1.44Mb format. As Nils has suggested you can use hfstools (or hfsutils, I can't remember). Another option is to apply Paul Hargrove's HFS patches for Linux which is available at http://www-sccm.stanford.edu/Students/hargrove/HFS/index.html Regards, Anand. -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Ease of Use was: Packaging Gimp .99.15
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote: like so far. The developers need to know what problems people are having with the software and the packaging before it can be fixed. My main problem with Debian (and most other Linux distributions) is that it assumes that your hardware is 'difficult'. I'd rather have Debian's instllation process assume my hardware was standardised. Example: The first question you are asked is Do you have a mouse If no, dump them into a text based configuration process otherwise Where is your mouse attached? then Do you know what kind of mouse it is? If so, query them on protocol details. Otherwise assume a two-button mouse and fireup the VGA 16 server to do a graphical configuration. Once the configuration process (text/graphical) is underway you could then ask the users (or determine it by probing) for further details to 'optimise' the system for them. I realise that parts of this system won't be doable until Deity is closer to completeion but I do know that at least one other person [Hi Roland] is working on something similiar. Anand. -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen
On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Wintermute wrote: I ask you.. what exactly is a debian... :) Funny you should mention that: I just happened to be going through my magazine and came across Linux Journal circa Dec 1994. On the cover Exclusive Art Exhibit: What Is a Linux and the rest of the cover is populate with the artistic impressions of what children belive a Linux looks like. I wonder what they think a Debian looks like ... Anand. -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: allow mount to normal user
On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Benoit Joly wrote: i want to allow normal user to use mount for floppy and cdrom. because i dont want to run apps in root account... what should i do. One of the options you can specify to mount is the 'user' option which allows ordinary users to mount a filesystem. Check 'man 8 mount' for further details. Anand. -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dmsdosfs
On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, Luka Pravica wrote: I tried to use dmsdosfs-0.8.3.0 to access doublespace 3 compressed drive on my widows partition. I followed all instructions, recompiled kernel... But when I try add module to the kernel with insmod dmsdos, I get following error messages: Looks like you want to insert the msdos module first. Try: insmod msdos insmos dmsdos and see if it works Anand. -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ssh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Will Lowe wrote: Ok. I'm trying to use ssh to connect between remote machines, say from my machine to master.debian.org. I've read the docs but I'm still confused: 1) how do I enter a host into the list of named hosts that ssh is always talking about? I've tried make-ssh-known-hosts but it always dumps with no such file. make-ssh-known-hosts is useful for making system-wide known_hosts files. If you are using SSH for yourself, simply connecting to a remote site with get you its public key. 2) How do I tell if my session is really encrypted or not? Apparently if there's no secure connection it just uses .rhost ... that's not real great. ssh -v should do the trick. Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNDrnJ2RmcAD8BdppAQEfVAQAtvYWb6OeIMV7xpqCjM4jOhX4OVVDiMtq XUvBolN7YoFzINRuciVS8PgnyxJiL1ExO8LKlIK/geJOHmmI792cjJ3AF+IoLVQY Jg2oekCVBiuDMr7tWAiiOidkvfjqZA48E6okQZ1EbxmF3jkbFw0qNHWVo4C7bdNB mC1jMjfKuqI= =rosQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Madge Token Ring Cards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Bob Jonkman wrote: Hi all: Are Madge Smart 16/4 Ringnode or Madge Smart 16/4 ISA Client Plus Ringnode Token Ring cards usable? I saw nothing about them in the HOWTO Hardware compatibility list, so I assume the worst... They are unusabe under Linux withot drivers. I used to have spare Client Pluses, but I couldn't even get device driver info. out of Madge to write a driver. I gave up and bought a supported Ethernet card. Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNDpjdGRmcAD8BdppAQFk6wP/UAXCxRQtkzBDI6gM/SJhzQ4XDu+/t38z Kb0Qopr8PZGeJL8ivZxivJa+x7kg59YcLiFH1Let0pEawo/5Y9QWYaiHUVII71xW wZGKuRcQOchHaAjkhIWc5/l0iJrkP5otv/na+E/EDKblnknk6H2uMucZqmlNgAdr SKKmk0fa0hs= =IFEn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[META] Re: Proposal: User list forking.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: Hello fellow Debian users. I propose that we fork the debian-user list such that there are one or two lists whose content is limited to technical questions and answers. If we had a debian-help list, we could have a rule to keep political/policy discussions off the list. This could be accomplished by giving N warnings to an individual who is misposting, followed by removal from the list. This would allow users who just want to get things done to avoid the occaisional flame war over policy, etc. Why could this not be done on debian-user right now? Also how do you determine when a discussion is off-topic? Is talking about how the developers want to change the version number off-topic? Is talking about the list off-topic? Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/6txWRmcAD8BdppAQEgjAP+PaTfhX9pU2OQIL4YzDDoGlmprEx0HFwK Ohd52y5lbnsQEKGN3jHAajbnGVBlQNR+VFH5/u5SJYS2o+wr0nA25PcjZXb+rtKG z4eUtG3hTmaB4fO3a+NBVqWVyLke3mdpgPCinGZWSwEQn7qQEvwfnsSl0eGND1cH IFnrvYuI6KE= =wMTH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Release naming ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote: A while ago I posted my feelings on this to Debian private, but it was _very_ ill received at the time. I'll restate it now. Commercial products do not rename their OS every time there's a bug fix! I suggested adopting a more commercial approach to release naming for the reasons it is now being done. I suggested only incrementing the revision number (i.e. issuing a point release) when one of three criteria were met: The name of a product, and its version number are two distinct things. Windows95 is the name of a product; is has (at least) two versions one is 4.000a the other is OSR2 4.000b -- not I'm not familiar with Windows95 and I might have got this wrong; I'm just trying to use an example to illustrate here. 1) The OS as a whole as been modified significantly, where significantly is defined by the nature of a change in functionality, as it impacts the user community. This may be a bug fix that's fundamental in some way, such as a major libc issue. 2) There is functionality necessarily introduced into the release as its needed but can't wait until the next major release. The Broadway upgrade qualifies as this, even though that wasn't the reason it was done. 3) There are a (very) large number of _serious_ bug fixes against the current release. Unless one of these criteria is met, the release should remain frozen, and un-incremented. Fixes should be available (and easily identified) from public ftp servers, and that should be that. Vendors are of course welcome to sell CDs including the fixes, or even just containing them. People who have the current release can then judge what they feel they should upgrade based on their needs. Having versions like 1.2.17 is very confusing to normal people (= people who don't give a rat's ass what OS they're using.) Its obvious that perspective buyers feel the same way, and experienced marketers(sp?) know this. This is why they have made these suggestions to us. What Bruce has done is a compromise to this. The name will still identify a snapshot of the stable release relative to a series of fixes against a major release, it will just do it in a less confusing manner. It is obvious? In that case would you expect such a long thread about it? Too me, 1.3.1 identifies a snapshot of the system, as does 1.3.2 - the learning curve is slight and once learnt is used so routinely throughout the software industry that I wouldn't expect the learning to be a significant hardship. Furthermore, we as in the developers made a decision to organize our leadership into a group of trusted directors, and an _elected_ president. In the past, the most frustrating thing for me to read was when Bruce posted things like I can't lead where no one will follow since this is the definition of leadership (i.e. we don't need a leader to take us where we're already going). Now that Bruce is doing as we've asked, we're pissing and moaning about it. Come on! Leadership is not simply proposing your point of view and then assuming that if nobody follows you you aren't effective. Leadership is about listening to the people you are leading; canvassing for opinions, and at the end of day proposing something. Sometimes what you propose what be well received, in that case a leader ought to be able to outline the benefits of going through the hardship. The fact is, in a few months, nobody is going to care about this thread, but we'll all be quite happy about being available at EggHead along side of Win98, etc. Bruce has done the right thing, and inevitably, change has consequence. The pains of this change are small and well worth it. It does not seem like a small change to be (see further on). I was one of the first people to question all of this on this list because I didn't understand it. Since then, Bruce (and others) have explained it in such explicit terms, I find it hard to believe that anyone could still be getting the wrong idea. The mechanics of how this new scheme will be implemented may be a little fuzzy, but so what! I'm sure that piece will become clear as it happens. The important thing is understanding what's happenning and why. The how part will become self evident. My original concern was the the integrity of the system was potentially at risk (even if not at first, down the road), but its clear this is not the case. This integrity agrument does not seem at all clear. Bruce has posted (so far) only twice with details of what is happenning; every other post has been in response to some other person. There was also a post from Manoj which is similiar to what Bruce has suggested. So far I have seen two schemes for 1.3: Scheme 1: 1.3.1 will be renamed 1.3.1 Revision 0 and each change will increment the right-hand most digit. Thus the next one will be 1.3.1 Revision 1, then 1.3.1 Revision 2. Scheme 2:
Re: Dave Cinege and Paul Wade
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: I sent this message to Dave Cinege and Paul Wade yesterday. [snip - a personal message inexcusably sent to a mailing list instead] As you can see, Dave hasn't removed his sorry excuse for dialog from debian-user. What do you suggest I do, guys? I think Jim Pick's suggestion was a good one. Formulate a charter for debian-user, and if people breach it _politely_ and _publically_ ask them to move their discussion to private email, or a mailing list which may be more relevant. My first suggestion for the charter would be that profanity should not be tolerated: no matter whom it comes from. Regards, Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/7D6GRmcAD8BdppAQHbJQP/UBED0KU0rgGwAi0xmWNLopCyHCYOlXuO vRZM7AZEoBiR3nD6aOt5AoDK5J5Ca5awwz7MZnkgZkgUW9G1Vdl015BdeXAF1moL qlKARhoYnMQ9dRkQVcd0JJvHO5nkX4+2gV8z7kG53jl+Zhc4vQOMoW5GCHe0HNSY vFrQh3X3gb0= =aKHH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[DSELECT] Gotchas Was: X installation calamity solved. Thank you!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: you should not upgrade ssh when dselect or dpkg is running inside a ssh session. If anybody else knows of any more gotchas with dselect, I'd love to hear that. Don't upgrade the watchdog things when it is running; 60 seconds later your machine will reboot. Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/7c3GRmcAD8BdppAQHesAQAmFMpPz2A7UOlp6HVk2Qf6k/VU9Tl14B+ 0Qb1Qghe5/xOTw8h7dikX75msoPaiXwHrV8XPtuVMgTL4skRVJ/NA1YKmvZwE04w UvczwdxXZuKJHxcFLC4awfa8IDzdt1/Ei/dU5P5gqHmSiQFhAh3slOjdwHAFRQXM Zvz8FgRDo/Q= =OI8R -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian Version Numbers Was: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: From: Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does bash 2.01 solve the problem? We do update 'stable' - we're currently debating that strategy on the debian-private (developers only) mailing list right now. If bash 2.0 is sufficiently broken, then that might merit putting 2.01 into 'stable'. I'm going to have to set this straight, since Jim alluded to a discussion on our private list. The next version of the system will be called Debian 1.3.1 Revision 1. People who make long-term products based on Debian requested that we not change the version number of the system if we were only making a few bug fixes. For example, X windows was rebuilt because Richard Hang on, aren't I already running Debian 1.3 Revision 1 (or in other words Debian 1.3.1)? Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/kaAWRmcAD8BdppAQGqdQP/RIO4Z/cn09o0+qX/vXHwjm2phpMixWmn SZL9ygN1rZL0Kn+8NCVigRPUAnzASMEa3ivEL7H9JyW1r5PjjlRI2ljWedxKDmhr IHGlxTFyub0yGZAMEQ3vCP0N12RRIZkXUBJdXKLEnnAbtO5RLT0gA52OlIz31LoJ 9HqfPt+nSD0= =7P8H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Version Numbers Was: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, joost witteveen wrote: The next version of the system will be called Debian 1.3.1 Revision 1. People who make long-term products based on Debian requested that we not change the version number of the system if we were only making a few bug fixes. For example, X windows was rebuilt because Richard Hang on, aren't I already running Debian 1.3 Revision 1 (or in other words Debian 1.3.1)? 1.3.1 != 1.3.1 Revision 1. The latter is the first revision of the former. That is not what I what I was saynig. bash$ cat /etc/debian_version 1.3 bash$ So I am running Debian version 1.3 - and yet the CD says Debian 1.3.1 . My conclusion is that I am running Debian 1.3 Revision (PatchLevel) 1 - which would explain why the CD says Debian 1.3.1 I understand the commercial reason behind wanting a slower number: but Debian already has that -- the current version of Debian is 1.3 . I don't understand why you want to have two revision numbers. Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/mwZmRmcAD8BdppAQEhEwQAhCL0pG0vS8BNJSB88Q9NlSGW4fmL9SOn xv3eYnNfLdjYMOZvGuD/cbeacnPM4nHGPOb2l1zHgv7lxdH+dwRb/psWSl3iDGMb IkoU5ZE3oJo9O4bEswFnB1qLRRcoZs1RIC+nH4kF+ttN5q6HGTKv2mslQRRUmpi6 DA1XYNSm3PM= =/NOf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[NCURSES] Re: A quick question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Bruno O. M. Simoes wrote: Hi Where do I find libncurses.so.3.2. In my system I have the 3.2 version. If you already have the 3.2 version, perhaps it has not been configured yet? Is it in some directory of ftp.debian.org? URL:ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/stable/binary-i386/libs/ is where is would be for an Intel. Hope this helps, Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+okCWRmcAD8BdppAQE51AP/a2OOFSXcBzHHhguPIgsZDPxTMz6/gUva bLhO7A2jD+SY3UwRzM2MY7gqy4+iBKRn3kzllQSYW6cixn2VBpJmexRMI1FwLIxn FB9GysvSzIIphiQib/OI599r0wIVjkIrpXrYP5LrwvAayD8EbUJky827MihhD/aF +l/Dxx3vIV8= =Lm69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: man gives segmentation fault
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [apologies for the big CC and To list. I couldn't determine who wrote initally] On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Michael B. Taylor wrote: I am running Debian 1.3.1, and recently trying to run man gives a segmentation fault when run as a normal user (but not when run as root): % man man Segmentation fault xman and tkman work fine. I was fairly sure I hadn't played with any relevant settings - the executable has setuid bit set as I would expect: % ls -l /usr/bin/man -rwsr-xr-x 1 man root71204 May 21 10:40 /usr/bin/man testing man with strace also fails as a normal user: % strace man execve(/usr/bin/man, [man], [/* 29 vars */]) = 0 strace: exec: Operation not permitted I am rather puzzled, so any ideas gratefully received! This happened to me too. I did not try any of the diagnostics you describe. I manually ftp'ed the man-db package and reinstalled it with dpkg -i. I dont know what caused the problem, but that fixed it. I had this problem, it occurred when I Ctl-C'd man while it was trying to update it various caches and indicies. I then strace'd man (while I was root), and noticed that after a certain cache file man failed. If you can find out which file it is, delete it. Man has been working fine for me, since then. Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+onDWRmcAD8BdppAQG+owP/WqUPZ56QEcMAmjTgvP82nmTAxGS+RLVq VPqHKZCZxceV2mueUF/H5WBKnLcmfd/lWVTEjCDVCx7p9z0q4B/Bl7JkDNEVXVoo GNMZfgkPqB9RYPMEBH48AmymOsIY6ZNwww8y/kpZv9uJgvj7ecPrWkFGt9VGWxZY fdYr+HeNN/U= =/D2d -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ldso 1.8.11 makes system unusable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Try running 'ldconfig' with root... On Jul 29, Winfried Truemper wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/winni dpkg -i ldso_1.8.11-1_i386.deb (Reading database ... 19925 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace ldso 1.8.11-1 (using ldso_1.8.11-1_i386.deb) ... sh: can't resolve symbol 'rl_ignore_some_completions_function' dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script killed by signal (Segmentation fault) dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... sh: can't resolve symbol 'rl_ignore_some_completions_function' dpkg: error processing ldso_1.8.11-1_i386.deb (--install): subprocess new pre-removal script killed by signal (Segmentation fault) sh: can't resolve symbol 'rl_ignore_some_completions_function' dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault) Errors were encountered while processing: ldso_1.8.11-1_i386.deb It also looks like the readline library (debian package libreadline) is not installed, or configured correctly. The dynamic linker (ld.so) is not finding it. Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+MSq2RmcAD8BdppAQF1+AP8DfJP+USmZr0PCntzfW6XQpC+nGWFYu8U +Wk+fxdcbAeTCpGJHWkSVfYgpUuw6UnQwG59Zscwcx09XlOe2emsa4eske+3JVHm fBXgjEUzRF/YOiEoEnJDgkH1veRYFLoJQyk9FprV2dWsUwPWlCo9fNGFmYGeeNHN X9ICKwY5QpA= =boJS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: splitting up the debian-user mailing list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Brandon Mitchell wrote: I am afraid that I am no longer capable of reading every article in the debian lists. I guess it's the price of success. But then I don't neccessarily think you should. I think (personally) you should help out on things that look interesting. I judge what is interesting by the Subject line - if a poster isn't prepared to make is descriptive enough, I won't read it. A third idea, make a debian-news. A few debian people put together some pages each week summarizing the latest with debian. It could be an outgoing list only, warning people of potential problems, new releases, security holes, packages that need maintainers, etc. This way someone who can't handle the volume of all the list can still keep informed. I think splitting up debian-user into seperate groups would just mean that people would subscribe to all of them and send their message to all of them in the hope that someone will help. I like the idea of a debian-news mailing list, and would think it would be a good idea to gate whatever it sent to it to the debian-user mailing list. Perhaps the debian-news mailing list could become similiar to the ApacheWeek URL:http://www.apacheweek.com/ newsletter that gets sent out every week. Regards, Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+MSB2RmcAD8BdppAQEXBAP+OIH5UHpWEA6kIXWX3CJxz9vSXANXGmfC BSaTRJkoCnjmOhIm95nCMc6ZylXodC3wlQzHEKkGCgbnqn01MydMPlq/7ee7//MS DL7m3rx/hGINZ02fwTU//MnZnczGXlVVlscx5ji8+OLBCG862hoJVior+TfI08YF GmZTSQRTksU= =pg2B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[EMAIL - MTA] Configuration problem Was: Can't send mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- When I send mail to myself at [EMAIL PROTECTED] it immediately goes to the /var/spool/mail/vtorrico file. I can then inc it with exmh and it appends to the end of the inbox list OK. The problem is that it never leaves my machine to go to my ISP's mail server. I never see it when doing a fetchmail. I'm trying to get exmh setup for the first time and this is where it stands at the moment. Your Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is probably configured incorrectly. It either believe that it is cfw.com and thus when it receives mail for that site imeediately delivers it; or it can not find a way to deliver the email that you send and is putting it into your mailbox locally because it doesn't know what else to do. Could you: let the debian-users list know which MTA you are using (smail, sendmail, exim, qmail, etc.) briefly describe how you configured it. regards, Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+SmGGRmcAD8BdppAQGbjwP/T7CkSHnb8btBodByjVNLzw6Bm6HwPk6N qEUtrg+tYv/92rpZCGjaf87hs9D6tBnbW9fasbEkQqkK2VOOUgn8jdqv8WwnOjSF Nelfq+/f5p+LpvvaxKjXdcXSqZgSuF/UpjGKqcr2QjQe37cd6ioWDByKKi6q1W14 SdTDsF48ZfI= =YVVV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[IPLOGGER] Odd log messages Was: problem with named
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Alexander Koch wrote: Aug 2 09:25:19 cephyr icmplogd: destination unreachable from cephyr.cid-net.de Aug 2 09:25:40 cephyr icmplogd: destination unreachable from cephyr.cid-net.de There're two routes going out. default is the router and the other is the subnet. What is wrong here? What is unreachable? These message are beging generated becasue you have the iplogger package installed. The iplogger package sets the interfaces into promiscuous mode and log any unusual ICMP, TCP or UDP packes that it sees. Destination unreachable _could_ be a sign of a problem, but if when you check things you find that you still have connectivity then what is most likely happening is that someone running traceroute - traceroute generates a lot of destination unreachable packets [or is that port unreachable?] Another possiblity is that of your machines has got the wrong subnet mask - - if you know how to, I'd run tcpdump and log the ICMP packets and see where cephyr is replying to, and then check that machine. Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+SivmRmcAD8BdppAQHUzAQA3qX0GSX24b9e1GgKui7F2R9WzEt76lfG q4frg3RxewR+DtLWNMM8Fy08i11MHjg4qEaN9xzucHcN8BfbSMgkGZG8IL7CHfuc RrLPDToTx+4ZGxAQiet53y2/G3Qq48a/TD2xijQNf8uNDSTf5wMSLKOVTDVoX8eg fYT0Pb4yOYM= =4t/p -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[NAME SERVICE] Re: problem with named
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Alexander Koch wrote: Aug 2 09:01:37 cephyr named[17820]: Malformed response from [194.221.77.66].53 (answer to wrong question) Aug 2 09:01:42 cephyr named[17820]: Malformed response from [130.149.17.5].53 ( answer to wrong question) Aug 2 09:01:49 cephyr icmplogd: destination unreachable from localhost Aug 2 09:01:56 cephyr named[17820]: Malformed response from [194.112.92.33].53 (answer to wrong question) Aug 2 09:02:12 cephyr named[17820]: Malformed response from [141.1.1.1].53 (ans wer to wrong question) There can't be so many incorrect nameservers, or what is wrong there? Unfortunately, yes there are. Additionally another error comes up: Aug 2 02:32:55 cephyr named[17820]: Err/TO getting serial# for musictus.com There might have been some problem obtaining the packets from this nameserver - perhaps the response was truncated, or the UDP packet failed its checksum, or the connection via TCP (if established) was broken. What exactly does this message mean? When I delete the files in /var/named/ they get reloaded (or fetched, yes) correctly, if I only restart bind, the files are also reloaded correctly... Which files? Are you a secondary or primary for the above site? [snip - another problem, unrelated to named] Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+SgemRmcAD8BdppAQG+AQP5AbEiofkgAxD92vXci0O3whLrLnytjJQb CqStqthVp/haWBFc820hCEGGTyNuk/MQgxB57cC/talOzWzvw1oHU5n648EavO/q EDPa2vcl9OmsWJohQiV67n7PQ+eIwJFh8uL64YedP0+lPbV/UO8RzPOgEnk/d1/k TaadBkT9MXU= =6qZa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[DEBIAN-USER] Should we split it? Should we have a Debian-new? was: splitting up the debian-user mailing list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Aug 02, Anand Kumria wrote: I like the idea of a debian-news mailing list, and would think it would be a good idea to gate whatever it sent to it to the debian-user mailing list. Perhaps the debian-news mailing list could become similiar to the ApacheWeek URL:http://www.apacheweek.com/ newsletter that gets sent out every week. The debian-news would help for many things, like problems with upgrading packages, and so on. Perhaps an actual debian-FAQ posted regularly would also help: Many questions on debian-user are asked frequent: PPP, star office, and libc6 are a few examples. A few people, that take the best answers to those questions and make a short FAQ, could help reducing the noise. Perhaps it would be possible to mail back the Debian FAQ, and some instructions on how to get past copies of Debian News and that you should search the archives before posting. I can't remember if this is what you get back currently. Posted every week (or every second week), new users could read this before they ask. I don't think, that every new user search the mailing list first, before he post his questions. Me either. I would begin with it, if you think that this is a good idea. Sure, if you have the time - go fot it. Also, in a previous email I said that I only look at the subject line before I decided to respond. Perhaps it would be a good diea if everyone who responds to a message modifies the subject line as appropriate - like this one. Then perhaps people will get into the habit of making the subject line relevant. Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+SduWRmcAD8BdppAQFvmgQAgrrb9QdyU/JgvxFPSedyKc8zzc4d9k5A 99TbTM7TB0oLrrHUxQxo1hutY7GcobzrgPpuBrmt9o+2OF0XykLkRNGYyjfFFNnY sp/z+O5l/UrachmzF3X/BKYc91Xwvu68S1GULKV8iR7JUe3HTdd9xUDzZQOmY3fB reHj2OjxFCA= =52MG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[DEBIAN-USER] Using debian-announce instead of debian-news Was: splitting up the debian-user mailing list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Randy Edwards wrote: A third idea, make a debian-news. A few debian people put together some pages each week summarizing the latest with debian. Couldn't debian-announce be used for this? Weekly, or daily traffic on debian-announce? I would unsubscribe very quickly if that was the case. I personally prefer announcements whenever there is something important to be said. Announcements are news; but not all news is an announcement. Regards, Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+SneGRmcAD8BdppAQGaWAP+Ii9xwmhyzTSVIDZh/wHf3eD+AVlmht0/ Byh6RyBO7Ok27rt+2GPurxHxUABX/DYyX54VGv9WpmcMEJ270wP/9uO4jr6IjGL6 eU5a85Z9FZtgiOTB+tN+bk+9CCIWYHXBEbo8P+MD/UKT0rnf+D3rXY0bFxxymy69 FDXJdkvT7Ic= =2Ulk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[PGP] Re: fingering/pgp keys
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Paul Miller wrote: === Key matching expected Key ID E726EDE5 not found in file '/home/wildfire/.pgp/pubring.pgp'. Enter public key filename: WARNING: Can't find the right public key-- can't check signature integrity. == start of authenticated message = How can I set up my system so people can finger for pgp keys? I have no idea where to start, but there must be a template file somewhere. Another option is to submit your public key to the various PGP Keyserver's. There is a list available at PGP.NET URL:http://www.pgp.net/pgpnet, and PGP.COM URL:http://www.pgp.com/ run one too. The simplest one to remember is Keyserver.net URL:http://www.keyserver.net/ Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM+ZM5GRmcAD8BdppAQHZdQQA6oknjw/4+f0q3C0S/z1Y3dv4DMGcIN2M zUflPp+nduh+f+p/8ouoeNv+x2peYWLqsofGLgfdu50/GY7CqjB64WEKHBHTVZVa bi6j0wS0Rj+FXpkpprcoBu5ygmJvQsBIbJD5FBMLFa7U/KyDgazCPyr12Sg8phO6 x07GH9UU6PU= =eHXq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dselect wigged out and everything's seg-faulting!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Joe Emenaker wrote: [snip] - Broken Required packages - --- Broken Required packages in section base --- RC** Req base ldso 1.9.2-3 1.9.4-1 U** Req base libc55.4.33-55.4.33-5The Linux C U** Req base libreadline2 2.1-2.1 2.1-2.1 GNU readline and U** Req base libreadlineg 2.1-2.1 2.1-2.1 GNU readline and RI** Req base makedev 1.6-13 1.6-14 Creates special RC** Req base modutils 2.1.34-62.1.34-7Linux module C** Req base ncurses3.0 1.9.9e-21.9.9e-2Old libc5 curses C** Req base ncurses3.4 1.9.9g-31.9.9g-3Video terminal - Broken Standard packages - --- Broken Standard packages in section admin --- C** Std adminncurses-term 1.9.9g-31.9.9g-3Video terminal --- Broken Standard packages in section base --- U** Std base libgdbm1 1.7.3-221.7.3-22GNU dbm database --- Broken Standard packages in section devel --- RC** Std develgcc 2.7.2.2-5 2.7.2.2-6 The GNU C U** Std devellibc5-altdev 5.4.33-55.4.33-5The Linux C C-- Std devellibg++27-dev 2.7.2.1-9 2.7.2.1-9 The GNU C++ RI** Std devellibg++272-db 2.7.2.5-1 2.7.2.5-2 The GNU C++ Here is where knowing how to use dpkg comes in handy. At this point I would try installing libc5, and forget about libc6 so that I could get a working machine once again. Try: dpkg -i /var/path/to/libc_debian-file.deb The ususal place (via ftp) is: /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/debian/stable/binary-i386/base/ Take note of what dpkg complains and attempt to download those particulars files by hand, and install them the same way. Once you have fixed up libc5 and ld.so you could then switch back to using dselect and see if that helps to fix the problem. However I've often found that dselect will just it things wrong, and muck the system up again and normally would use dpkg until dselect reported no problems and then continue with it. Good luck, Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM97v9GRmcAD8BdppAQEGMgP9E26wc5PU3uuthg9NPQhQcxSbejthXGBf p2TJXpOU0pMDi+vKpeINoJDpwz/PM9GV7UInf1qFBwhy/KzbaeAAdhIDeuk6aNZX 38OTxl7ssbL+bB30zqDrVfMPdwUeYyi4X17V3pJnx4P6sUu8p15/TubgE71yPoAs FxGbdfm73RI= =H75C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian dpkg problem
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Ching-Chuan Chiang(¦¿²M¬u) wrote: My disk space is full while I am installing packages by using dpkg -i package.deb. Then, I cannot access my original status, that is, dpkg -l shows nothing. The disk full is due to the log file created by configurating package. After I delete the log file to get back my disk space, the dpkg still cannot work. It seems some data files in /var/lib/dpkg are lost and the database for dpkg is empty. If I want to install some packages now, the dependence error occurs since dpkg detects no packages are installed. How can I restore my original install setting..? First clear some space. Remove any packages that you might have downloaded. Then to go /var/lig/dpkg/updates, and type: grep ^#padding * remove any files which have that. Rerun dpkg, from the top (i.e. access method, update, select, etc.) that will recreate any files that might have been truncated. This time when you select Install, (I am assuming you are using the FTP option) say yes to the question which asks if you want to select the packages to download. Just download them a few at a time. Eventually you will be able to install most things. You need to do something similiar if you use another method other than FTP. However I can't remember if dselect/dpkg give you the ability to select which indiviual packges you want installed in a session like you can with FTP. Regards, Anand. -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Serial problems
Hi there, I recently upgraded two Debian machines and installed it afrsh on two others. They are all running 1.3.1 I found that when I installed it freshly the machines hang just after they load the serial module. Both the machines this is happening too are fairly standard. Machine 1, medusa, is a PCI BIOS machine with 3 network cards on 9, 10 and 11. The network cards are PCI, so I don't believe there is an I/O address conflict. I can't provide any more details on it at the moment cause it is at work. Machine 2, caliban, is a ISA/VLBUS machine with a network card (io=0x240-0x25f, irq=10), soundblaster (io=0x220, irq=7) and adaptec 1542C (io=0x330, irq=11). I don't have the soundblaster enabled under Linux yet. Both machines have two ports, and both are located at the standard locations (COM1/ttyS0: io=0x3f8, irq=4 and COM2:ttyS1: io=0x2f8 irq=3). Both machine hang whenever the serial module is loaded into the kernel. Are there some parameters I can pass to the serial module to stop it from attempting to determine what is in my machine, but to just accept what I ttell it? Has anyone else had similiar problems? Regards, Anand. -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Version numbers go where Was: xemacs20
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Victor Torrico wrote: Has anyone had success running the new debian xemacs20 package in hamm? Mine installs OK but dumps core when run and wont come up on the screen. On another topic entirely, why is the version number in the package name? I thought that version numbers were supposed to be in the debian filename. Is this a new policy when packaging? Anand. - -- `When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives' -- Robert A Heinlein, If this goes on -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM9Zi/2RmcAD8BdppAQFa5gQA5x9U1w+9HYRa7yvHLuDDYa6vsT/eXV7O h+xJKGaKaGYWlHaNjFC3DFIuTt1kv0ou5REBnkPbz3A7dHjifxR+ZFnWoB/YwS8M 0zx15fphVryD9BkR9aYiVfE3eWN9UEry6SVYn1CTF+YiYEu/8hxB+SlrfAiHO4zv OckKWRYUYXE= =GFhi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Version numbers go where Was: xemacs20
On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Shaya Potter wrote: On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Anand Kumria wrote: On another topic entirely, why is the version number in the package name? I thought that version numbers were supposed to be in the debian filename. No, it's there so you can install xemacs19 and xemacs20 at the same time. Thanks, that clears that up. Anand. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
