Re: Maintaining multiple Debian boxes

1997-01-08 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Ben Gertzfield scripsit:
|Ick. :) Yes, that would be slow on a slow net. I've heard wonderful
|things about a Linux distribution out there that will cache NFS files
|on a local hard drive, but I forget which it is. There must be some
|way to to it and save bandwidth...

Well, think about it from a different perspective: you have local
disks which are now almost always in the Gb range for new PCs, why use
NFS? It is much faster to have the system on the local disk. The
question is: how do I upgrade and maintain them in sync, even NFS
isn't perfect. Upgrading breaks machines, almost inevitably...

Arrigo


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Re: Maintaining multiple Debian boxes

1997-01-08 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Dale Scheetz scripsit:
|Wow! Bet that keeps you busy ;-)

Less than you would think, honest, I am doing a PhD at the same time
;-)

|You might want to check out DoList in the upgrades directory. This script
|runs dpkg from a list of packages that have been properly ordered to
|resolve the dependency issues. Once you have a working list (check out the
|base.list file as an example) you can run DoList against it and your
|package archive to do repetative upgrades. If your 56 machines are
|networked together, then you only need to keep the archive on one machine
|and mount it nfs on the target machine, run DoList and you are done. 
|At the moment this is still not effortless, because of the various
|questions that packages ask during installation. But this problem is being
|worked on by others and should be resolved soon.

I have: it is almost there but not quite what I want. One of the
problems is the way upgrades need to be done. I understand that 99% of
the developers don't have more than 4-5 machines on which Debian is
running so the problem isn't felt but please try and go into
multi-machine mode as you read on.

dselect is out: interactive, hence useless. dpkg via rsh from a single
trusted host (or ssh) isn't bad, only needs the packages to be NFS
mountable and our local mirror allows NFS mounts for hosts within the
UK (the academic net is a 33Mb/s ring over the UK so we don't have
bandwidth problems as long as we don't leave our cosy
neighbourhood). The problem, as you mentioned, is the answering of
questions, a real pain, _and_ the fact that some configuration files
are modified without telling the user (cf. my mail on /etc/X11/Xservers).

Also, most packages, once upgraded need a reboot to be running clean,
e.g. sendmail which isn't stopped during upgrade (this is criminal BTW
since you then proceed to modify the .cf file...), this is not good
for multi-machines 'cos I have jobs running and people to take care
of...

Finally, what about the extras? For example, without /etc/environment
with LD_PRELOAD set to the GNU malloc I couldn't get xrdb to work in
the first incarnation of X 3.2 - changing it on all machines meant an
rdist, no problem...

Basically my real problem is that I cannot find a coherent upgrade
strategy, something which would be very nice is a dry run option to
dpkg and dselect, i.e. pretend and show me problems, then I can see it
before I mess up... Also a verbose mode where it shows me file
modifications, this would have helped me catch the /etc/X11/Xservers
problem before it hit me.

Once I have an optimal dry run I can then write a script which does
the nifty things by hand, like upgrading the libc first to save
dependencies or something along those lines.

Arrigo

P.S.I added debian-users in the Cc: field 'cos I think it is of
interest over there.

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Re: Maintaining multiple Debian boxes

1997-01-08 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Martin Konold scripsit:
|A free Anrew File System like setup would be nice to deal with these kind 
|of nfs perfomrance problems.

I don't know, I have never used it, and it doesn't seem to be very
widespread.

|We do use a commercial tool called venus for administering our linux
|Ppro Cluster together with Iri, Ultrix and VMS machines. This tool does
|the distribution of new software, home dirs, passwd

How good is it? Does it deal well with the issues of, for example,
Debian packages?

Arrigo


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LaserJet IIIp and apsfilter

1997-01-07 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

I have a problem with a LaserJet IIIp and apsfilter. It is my
understanding that the memory requirements for 300x300 are of 1.5Mb
and the standard box comes with 1Mb, i.e. I am limited to 150x150.

This produces really bad output, perhaps someone might care to suggest
an alternative (I am using the ljet3 driver, and have tried all the
others in an attempt to get 300x300, of course with no positive
results).

Any help will be gratefully appreciated,

Arrigo

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Maintaining multiple Debian boxes

1997-01-07 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

I have now reached a count of 56 for the number of Debian
boxes under my control and keeping them in sync (with rdist and lots
of hacking) is beginning to get out of hand.

Is anyone out there in a similar situation and cares to share
some views/opinions and hints or perhaps put together a group to add
suggestion to the main Debian developers for supporting installations
with lots and lots of boxes?

Ciao,

Arrigo

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/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers file zapped by upgrade

1997-01-07 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

upgrading xbase seems to zap /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers without
giving a chance to save it in the usual way. I change the contents of
it to add -terminate -bpp 16 -dpi 100 to the X server startup line
and I have been burnt by upgrading my multiple machines as they all
forgot the 16 bpp mode and started living in 8 bpp again. This was a
bit of a pain as I had to change 50ish machines and restart xdm on all
of them to the user's great delight...

Could this be changed in xbase or should I set the arguments
elsewhere as per the Debian way?

Thanks,

Arrigo

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Re: LaserJet IIIp and apsfilter

1997-01-07 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Martin Konold scripsit:
|No, I think that you are able to get 300x300 dpi with your setup.

Mmh, I am not sure - when I do so I get an error on the HP saying
Memory overflow... that is why I had to reduce to 150x150.

Any ideas?

Ciao,

Arrigo

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Re: Maintaining multiple Debian boxes

1997-01-07 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Ben Gertzfield scripsit:
|The more, the merrier! ;)

Indeed, unless the natives get restless ;-)

|Why not just pop /usr and /home on one machine and NFS mount them out
|to all the other boxes?

Speed - this would be a killer, local disks are at 2-4 Mb/s with fast
EIDE, the net just can't keep up with this. Propagation of local
binaries is done via rdist, as long as they are placed in /usr/local.
Of course this means having rules for programs which require
machine-specific configuration using the special, for example Condor
(batch processing), etc.

Arrigo

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xrdb in 3.2-1 needs LD_PRELOAD

1996-12-06 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

another extra: on some machines (not all - weird) xrdb needs

LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libgnumalloc.so.5.4.13; export LD_PRELOAD

to be placed in /etc/environment (source'd by /etc/X11/Xsession),
otherwise it will die miserably complaining about being unable to
execute /lib/cpp and ignore your .Xresources file...

Ciao,

Arrigo

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utmp still confused with new base-files 1.2.0-3

1996-12-06 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello,

X still confuses w: the entry for :0 appears with finger but
not with w. Even after a reboot - could it have something to do with
the contents of /etc/X11/Xresources:

XTerm*utmpInhibit: false

This is the only novelty introduced into the file by the
switch to 3.2-1.

Incidentally, the xmodmaps are messed up for vi (delete key),
and only for vi, very confusing... I guess my International X 3.2
HOWTO needs some updating soon...

Arrigo


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Serious: X 3.2 and YP don't work!

1996-12-05 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello,

serious problem: X 3.2 (from unstable) does _not_ work
correctly with NIS, I can only log in from text consoles, X will not
even allow root login. Also, the keyboard freezes on entering X - I
need to connect via the net to kill xdm and regain the keyboard in
text mode.

Machines are running 2.0.26, X server is S3 (Trio64+).

Arrigo

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[Update] X 3.2 login problem

1996-12-05 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

sorry for the previous rushed message. So, the problem is
better described as follows:

o   login from virtual consoles is OK, both local and NIS accounts
o   login from X11 results in Login incorrect both for root
(clearly local) and NIS accounts. Passwords have been checked
n times including setting them to something trivial and trying
again.
o   Machine is now running 2.0.27 (just in case TM) and it makes
no difference except that the keyboard does not lock-up any
longer under X startup.
o   X server is stock XF86_S3 coming in the 3.2-1 package, xbase
is 3.2-1 too (all taken from mirror at ftp.funet.fi).
o   No error messages in any of /var/log/{messages,auth.log,
debug,daemon,xdm-errors}.
o   System works fine with startx (clearly an authentication
problem).
o   libpam was installed but removal made no difference.

Any ideas urgently welcome (including how to get all the way
back to my old 3.1.2...),

Thanks,

Arrigo


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X 3.2 and utmp entry

1996-12-05 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

X 3.2 seems to be corrupting the utmp entry for :0,

LoginName Tty   Idle  Login Time   Office
Office Phone
arrigo   Arrigo Triulzi   *:036d  Dec  5 20:26 ()
 unprintable
arrigo   Arrigo Triulzip0 Dec  5 20:34 (:0.0)
arrigo   Arrigo Triulzip1 Dec  5 20:30 (:0.0)

it also shows messed up with tcsh's watch variable.

Arrigo

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XFree 3.2 International Users HOWTO

1996-12-05 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

this message is intended for those of us out there who _don't_
have a US keyboard and are installing XFree 3.2. If you have a US
keyboard ignore all that follows.

To begin with I assume you have a relatively up-to-date Debian
tree, i.e. all X stuff is version 3.2-1 or better. What you will want
to do, immediately, is to make a safe copy of your XFree 3.1.2
configuration, to do this simply do

cp /etc/X11/XF86Config /somewhere/safe/XF86Config

Then install the XFree 3.2 packages _including_ the xext package which
contians the dreaded XKBD extension which we will need.

Now, you will notice that the installation will not ask you any
questions as to converting your 3.1.2 config file to 3.2. This is the
catch: let us assume that you have a password with the '@'. Then in
the UK, for example, the '@' character sits where in the US they have
the '' character and vice-versa. Let us assume that you run xdm. Then
although you were used to X getting your keyboard right it will get it
terribly wrong and you will not be able to log in - unless you know
where all the characters sit on a US keyboard.

How do you fix this? Simply run xf86config, install the keyboard that
you need and then, once it is done, edit the config file:
/etc/X11/XF86Config (as usual).

There are a few changes, for example new video cards, so it might be a
good idea to install a new config file from scratch. But, if like
myself you have a 1152x900 100dpi mode you are particularly fond of
you can recycle the old 3.1.2 XF86Config from the Monitors section
onwards without any changes.

Save this new config file and restart xdm. You will get back your
proper keyboard mappings and be able to log in.

Hope this helps someone else,

Arrigo

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BUG: utmp and w output

1996-12-01 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello,

there seems to be a pretty nasty bug in the frozen tree: the
'w' command reports the following:

galois{~}% w
  4:36pm  up  2:28h,  1 user,  load average: 1.02, 1.01, 0.87
USER TTY   LOGIN@  IDLE   JCPU   PCPU  WHAT
arrigo   ttyp4 4:04pm0:000:000:00 w 

arrigo   ttyp5 4:04pm2:010:000:00 -sh
arrigo   ttyp6 4:04pm4:100:000:00 -sh

arrigo   ttyp7 4:04pm3:020:000:00 -sh
galois{~}%

this didn't use to happen... It is quite serious as Mail, for
example, when trying to save the mbox complains about not being able
to open (null)/mbox (I wonder why...).

Any clues? I have the frozen tree as of Friday 29th November.

Thanks,

Arrigo

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Fortran I/O problems

1996-11-18 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

just to continue the Fortran saga: it looks suspiciously like
the I/O library in f2c and g77 both don't do buffered I/O any longer.
This differs from the standard behaviour on other platforms where the
WRITE statement produces buffered I/O. Could this be a side-effect of
the 5.4.x library? The problem is shown by jobs which have I/O, even
to a local disk which never attain 90% CPU usage on the machine.
Watching the data with tail -f shows that data is written continuosly,
without any buffering of any sort.

Please note that the machines are 166MHz pentiums with 430HX
motherboards and fast EIDE disks and 64Mb of RAM, i.e. the stuff
should be buffered by Linux in any case. The boxes are running
Linux 2.0.25.

I have a situation where the processor is idle 56% of the
time, system usage is at about 1% and jobs only get 40%ish. The same
jobs on other boxes (Suns running SunOS or Solaris, DEC alphas with
OSF) constantly stay at 90+% cpu usage. A typical vmstat line is:

 procs  memoryswapiosystem cpu
 r b w  swpd  free  buff cache  si  so   bi   bo   in   cs  us  sy  id
[...]
1 0 0  3544   992   304  5340   0   001  152  121  40   2  59

Not very impressive...

Any information/help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Arrigo

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16-bit X modes and clients from Suns

1996-11-13 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

users on my machines have X set to 16-bit 1152x900 on S3
cards. The problem is that when running clients from a Sun displaying
on their screens the colours are completely messed up unless they go
down to 8-bit colour, where everything is fine but, of course, colours
aren't enough to go round.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

Arrigo

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Re: g77 f2c serious problems

1996-11-11 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Douglas Bates scripsit:
|Are the differences in floating point results relative to other
|machines based on Intel processors?  Remember that the floating point
|registers on Intel processors use an 80 bit IEEE extended
|representation.  Other architectures such as SPARC use the 64 bit IEEE
|representation.  Differences in the results are not necessarily
|because of compiler flaws.

Yes, they are indeed, I was not aware of the difference between Intel
and other architectures. I guess I should have imagined it, but the
NAG F90 compiler doesn't seem to have such problems (of course, being
commercial and expensive one would think they'd be careful about
it...)

|You can emulate the behaviour of other IEEE machines by using the
|-ffloat-store compiler option.
[...]
|Using this option is a bit of a sledge-hammer approach.  It purposely
|slows down the calculation and makes it less accurate all for the sake
|of getting the standard result.

Doesn't seem to work at all! It makes no difference to the results,
does one have to turn off optimisation? Neither g77 nor f2c+gcc seem
to notice.

|In the alpha-test group for a statistical package called `R' we
|recently encountered a situation where the results under Debian Linux
|were different than those under other architectures.  Turns out that
|the code was a little sloppy about some floating point comparisons,
|not that the Linux compilers were wrong.

Fair enough, it simply sounds strange that we are seeing this problem
only with f2c and g77...

Thanks,

Arrigo

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Re: g77 f2c serious problems

1996-11-11 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
David Gaudine scripsit:
|I should add that, in the unlikely event that -fno_automatic solves
|your problem, you should send the bug report to the developers of your
|source code.  -fno_automatic solves a problem that should not come up
|with correct code.

Ahem, it didn't work. So far no solutions whatsoever, even the latest
f2c is of no avail. It seems that the -fforce-saves isn't working as
advertised, or rather it is still working at 80-bit precision. I
frankly don't know. We are re-running all our code and cross-checking
numbers on architectures.

Arrigo

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g77 f2c serious problems

1996-11-07 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

people here are having very serious problems with both g77 and
f2c: the numbers which come out at the end are different from any
other architecture we can lay our hands on, i.e. they have declared
the boxes unfit for numerical calculations.

This is a pretty major problem because the whole idea of
getting Linux on fast PCs was to offload the main Unix boxes from
jobs. Now the question is: am I the only one seeing this problem or is
this a known problem which somehow doesn't make it on the READMEs and
FAQs? I'd like to point out that where g77 is in alpha stage, f2c
isn't and on other architectures is happily used and gives numerically
consistent results with the native Fortran compilers.

I would greatly appreciate any information or patches. A bug
report is in the process of being prepared for both the g77 developers
and the f2c developers. Incidentally, should I send a bug report to
the Debian developers too?

Thanks,

Arrigo

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[Solution] NIS slave hosts map problem

1996-11-05 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

the solution to the problem described previously (slave server
unable to transfer the hosts.{byaddr,byname} maps due to a DBM error)
is solved by upgrading ypserv to version 1.1.1 (distributed version is
1.0.4). This version can be found at:

ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/NYS/servers
ftp.uni-paderborn.de/linux/local/yp
http://www-vt.uni-paderborn.de/~kukuk/linux

you need to edit the Makefile, once make config is done, and
apply the following patch so it finds the ypserv.securenets where
Debian keeps it.

--- MakefileTue Nov  5 16:54:07 1996
+++ Makefile.newTue Nov  5 14:46:02 1996
@@ -34,10 +34,10 @@
 exec_prefix = ${prefix}
 
 ## Remember to modify the ypMakefile if you modify YPBINDIR !
-YPBINDIR= ${exec_prefix}/libexec/yp
+YPBINDIR= /usr/lib/yp
 YPMAPDIR= /var/yp
 SBINDIR = $(exec_prefix)/sbin
-CONFDIR = ${prefix}/etc
+CONFDIR = /etc
 MAN5DIR = $(prefix)/man/man5
 MAN8DIR = $(prefix)/man/man8
 
@@ -46,6 +46,7 @@
 ## securenets in YPMAPDIR. You must also add 
 ## -DSECURENETS='$(SECURENETS)' to CPPFLAGS.
 #SECURENETS = $(YPMAPDIR)/securenets
+SECURENETS = $(CONFDIR)/ypserv.securenets
 
 ## How many children of ypserv should be run max. at one time
 MAXCHILDREN = 20
@@ -79,7 +80,7 @@
 CFLAGS = -O2 
 CPPFLAGS =  -DYPMAPDIR='$(YPMAPDIR)' -DYPBINDIR='$(YPBINDIR)'\
-DCONFDIR='$(CONFDIR)'
-DMAX_CHILDREN=$(MAXCHILDREN)\
-   -DXFRBLOCKSIZE=$(XFRBLOCKSIZE)
+   -DXFRBLOCKSIZE=$(XFRBLOCKSIZE)
-DSECURENETS='$(SECURENETS)'
 
 LDFLAGS = 
 WARNFLAGS = -Wall


I hope this is of help to someone else,

Ciao,

Arrigo

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Re: [Poss. Solved] gsfonts 4.01-3

1996-11-04 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
joost witteveen scripsit:
|That works, but it's better to upgrade to gs-aladdin_4.03-4 or
|gs_3.33-2. That also solves it.

Absolutely true, only that my mirror didn't have it on Friday ;-) I
have now upgraded and fixed it the proper way.

Thanks,

Arrigo

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perl 5.003.07-1 breaks Yard 1.7

1996-11-04 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

there seems to be a problem with the latest (on my mirror ;-)
version of perl, 5.003.07-1, and Yard 1.7. With the previous version
there were no problems, now Yard 1.7 bombs with

Can't locate object method autoflush via package IO::Handle at
./make_root_fs line 37.

even though there is a

use FileHandle;

in the file.

Thanks,

Arrigo
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ypxfr and hosts.{byaddr,byname}

1996-10-26 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

I seem to be unable to get ypxfr to receive
hosts.{byaddr,byname} from the main NIS host. My secondary server
(slave for purists) complains about a DBM error:

ypxfr: Local dbm operation failed

similarly the scripts ypxfr_1perhour, etc. because, of course,
they run ypxfr. Needless to say even on server pushes the server sees
the error.

It is a problem only with this map (confusing I must say),

Ciao,

Arrigo

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libc5-dev upgrades

1996-10-23 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

I know that it is intended that kenel header files come with
libc5-dev and are not symlinks to the kernel source tree. Ok, this
said let us come to my humble request: I would dearly like to use the
symlink to my current kernel source on all boxes, this is because of
some driver work people are doing. Whenever I upgrade the symlinks zap
the /usr/src/linux/include/linux directory and I have to reinstall the
include files by hand... Would it be possible to have an option
preventing dpkg from following symlinks (or is it already there) so
that I can save my kernel setup from zapping when I upgrade libc5-dev?

Thanks,

Arrigo

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Elm problem

1996-10-22 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello,

we have the Elm package installed and people are unable to use
it for sending e-mail which always fails with a bad call:

sh: -oi not found

I have the impression that it is trying to tag the -oi flag to
the sendmail command but never actually adds the sendmail in
front. Are there any patches for this problem around? It is quite
urgent as the natives have lost all the e-mail they have sent (before
reporting it).

Ciao,

Arrigo

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Re: Ctrl-Alt-Del doesn't work under X?

1996-10-09 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello Thomas,

Thomas Baetzler scripsit:
|The way we have handled this at a customer installation is that
|we created a user shutdown who was privileded to run shutdown.

You are not the only one to suggest this... the problem with this is
that it is highly insecure (well, you might say so is C-A-Del from the
keyboard, but this implies access to a card-controlled, monitored
room in our case), people can reboot from all over the net. And our
machines are teaching PCs, i.e. connected to the net.

At the moment two solutions look very promising, both the Tcl/Tk
script and, IMHO better, Miquel's modified xdm startup. This would
mean that, if I can modify the Xlogin keymaps, the kids will find
themselves using the familiar combination (very familiar since they
use Windoze...).

Ciao,

Arrigo

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Re: Kernel Installation Issues

1996-10-09 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Jim Worthington scripsit:
|1)Boot Message - I get the following message when booting:
|
|
|Oct  8 17:10:10 hercules syslogd 1.3-0#6: restart.
|Oct  8 17:10:11 hercules kernel: Cannot find map file.
|
|What is a map file?  

Map of kernel symbols (= functions and external variables)

|Where is it supposed to be?

/usr/src/linux/System.map
/boot/System.map
/System.map

(any of the three, if more than one they'd better be the same...)

|How do I get rid of the message?

Under debian you should already have /System.map, a symlink to
/boot/System.map-2.0.x (x = kernel minor, whatever that is in your
case).

|2) Where is the /boot/psdatabase file used?

ps w

which shows the channels, i.e. the kernel function the code is in.

|I manually installed a new kernel (no debian package) and need to know
|if it was done correctly.  After compiling the 2.0.13 pnp patched
|kernel, I did the following:
|
|a) cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zimage /boot/vmlinuz-2.0.13-pnp
|
|b) cp /usr/src/linux/System.map /boot/System.map-2.0.13-pnp
|
|c) I then re-linked /vmlinuz and /System.map to point to the newly added
|files in /boot.  I then ran lilo and rebooted.  
|
|It's working, but there are some loose ends that I am concerned about.  
|I've had the cannot find map file message since day 1, so it's not
|related to installing the new kernel.

See the links above, you need the /System.map to be correctly linked
too.

|The /boot/psdatabase file is linked to /boot/psdatabase-2.0.0.  I
|couldn't find any corresponding files in the newly compiled kernel
|directory structure.  It would seem that I should have a
|psdatabase-2.0.13-pnp as well.

Just do

rm /boot/psdatabase
psupdate
ln -s /boot/psdatabase-2.0.13-pnp /boot/psdatabase

Ciao,

Arrigo

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Re: libpaper?

1996-10-09 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
David C. Winters scripsit:
|The gs and ghostscript packages depend on the libpaper package, which is
|currently listed as unavailable.  Is there a problem with it, or is it
|somewhere other than in stable, non-free, or contrib?

You can find it in the unstable tree (at least, here on the UK mirror
it hasn't migrated).

Arrigo

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C-A-Del and X

1996-10-08 Thread Arrigo Triulzi
Hello all,

thanks for responding via e-mail, I am now on the list, just
didn't have the time to do this before.

I think the optimal solution is the Tcl/Tk script, I cannot
set the uid for a shutdown because the room is open access and the
last thing I want is a bunch of students playing tricks on each other.

Thanks to all for helping,

Ciao,

Arrigo

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