Re: su chmod -755 /usr
Julian Brooks writes: >Hey all, >Yes I'm an idiot... >Not very experienced user here - 1st post: >I mistakenly ran 'chmod -755 /usr'. >How can I fix my permissions? Run 'chmod 755 /usr'. All your command did was remove permissions from the /usr directory. Just set them back the default. No need to reboot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/48fc.5577ba04.18...@xdna.net
Re: reading an empty directory after reboot is very slow
Vincent Lefevre writes: >On 2015-04-13 16:28:27 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: >> Without dir_index an ext filesystem with large directories is slow due >> to the linear nature of directories. But with dir_index it should be >> using a B-tree data structure and should be much faster. >So, why is it slow? I don't think dir_index has anything to do with it. An index speeds up lookups. You are not doing lookups; you are traversing the entire data structure. A B-tree data structure can take longer to traverse than a contiguous array data structure due to prefetching generally being beneficial to arrays, but less so to pointer-based structures. It's slow because every block of the directory needs to be read to get the contents, even if every block contains empty entries. You don't know that until you've read it. >I also notice slowness with a large maildir directory: >drwx-- 2 vlefevre vlefevre 8409088 2015-03-24 14:04:33 Mail/oldarc/cur/ >In this one, the files are real (145400 files), but I have a Perl >script that basically reads the headers and it takes a lot of time >(several dozens of minutes) after a reboot or dropping the caches >as you suggested above. With a second run of this script, it just >takes 8 seconds. Your large directory is about 3.5 times the size of this one, so we would expect all things being equal that it would take 30s to read the larger directory based on the time of reading your maildir. One thing that is likely not equal is fragmentation. It is quite possible that your 30MB directory is fragmented across the disk and involves many seeks to read it all. If you really want to know if this is the case, use debugfs(8) to have a look: # debugfs /dev/sda1 # sub sda1 with your device debugfs: blocks /path/to/directory # path relative to root of filesystem That will output all the blocks used by the directory, in the order of the blocks in the directory. You'll be able to see how much seeking would be needed to read those blocks linearly. e.g. # debugfs /dev/mapper/m500-var debugfs 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) debugfs: blocks /lib/dpkg/info 8236 8207 8204 8221 8222 8223 8231 8232 8234 8333 8394 8395 8393 8396 8399 8400 8402 8747 8913 9258 9289 9311 9433 9405 9432 9452 9407 32084 32237 32238 32236 32245 32254 9555 9978 9908 You can see the blocks are reasonable contiguous until it jumps up to the 32000's, and then back to the 9000's. If you see a lot of that in your large empty directory, you'll find it slow to seek around the whole lot. (In my case, that's on an SSD, so I don't care). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4206.552d9c3f.b4...@xdna.net
Re: How does exec work with systemd?
Steve Litt writes:
>The only thing is, Daemontools has no way of telling it which order to
>load things, so, for instance, I'll need to load the dns server
>before Dovecot and Apache, so the dns server will continue to be
>loaded by the init system.
I've been using runit for some time, which is a clone of daemontools
(from the time when DJB licensing was an issue). I have a small set of
shell functions in /lib/sv/utils.sh that I source in my run scripts.
Some of these are:
temp_fail() { sleep 5; exit ${1:-1}; }
depend_on_net() {
[ -n "$1" ] || return 0
ip addr show dev "$1" 2>&- | grep -qs "inet.*$1" || temp_fail
return 0
}
depend_on_ip_addr() {
[ -n "$1" ] || return 0
[ "$1" = '0.0.0.0' ] && return 0
ip addr show 2>&- | grep -qs "inet $1[/ ]" || temp_fail
return 0
}
depend_on_sv() {
[ -n "$1" ] || return 0
sv status "$1" | grep -qs "^run:" || temp_fail 2
return 0
}
These allow you to put commands such as:
depend_on_sv apache
depend_on_net eth0
in the run script. If the dependency is not yet ready, it will sleep for
5 seconds and exit, leaving runsv to restart it to try again.
These will need to be adapted for daemontools, but the principle is the same.
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Re: vlan not tagging packets | no reply to vlan
"Podrigal, Aron" writes: >Hi there, >I'm trying to setup vlans on debian wheezy 7.6. But I can't get it to work. >Is there something special I'm missing out there? I tried searching around, >but I didn't get any further. >I couldn't figure out where this is going wrong. Looks like either the >packets going out the vlan is not being tagged, or something unknown is >happening. >I have 2 hosts directly connected to each other, both have intel i350Gb >ethernet cards. >host 1 physical interface eth1 = 10.0.10.68 >host 2 physical interface has no ip, and vlan has assigned 10.0.10.70 I cannot see how this setup would work. Host 2 will be sending 802.11Q encapsulated packets, but host 1 will not be expecting that so it will ignore them. This would lead to the exact results you are seeing. So to counter your subject line, I would say vlan *is* tagging packets, it's just that one host is not expecting tagged packets. You will need to set up vlan 10 on host 1 and assing 10.100.110.68 to eth1.10 for it to receive packets. >root@host1:~# tcpdump -vv -i eth1 -s 1500 ether proto not 0x88cc Try running that tcpdump command with "-e" to show link level headers. Perhaps that will show the VLAN tag on the packet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2f99.5406b415.37...@xdna.net
Re: /etc/mailname file permission
Andrei POPESCU writes: >On Vi, 13 iun 14, 06:10:11, ML mail wrote: >> Thanks for your feedback. I believe my puppet changed the mode of this >> file for some unknown reason and I will reset it back to 644. >There's always a reason (whether intentional or bug or whatever). Do you >specify file mode in your modules? Furthermore, if the reason is not identified and fixed, puppet will likely just set the mode back to 0600 the next time it runs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/39ff.539b885d.a9...@xdna.net
Re: [ask] awk - passing for loop bash variables to awk
Morning Star writes:
>here is the desired output:
>line_1
>line_2
>line_3
>here is what i do:
>cat input | for (( i=1;i<=3;i++ )); do gawk -v var=$i 'NR == var { print}';
>done
>but, the result is always:
>line_1
When awk runs, it reads its input until EOF. In your loop, the first run
of awk is consuming all the input from stdin (cat input) and printing
the first line. For the subsequent iterations through the loop, awk no
longer has anything to read - it gets EOF when attempting to read the first
line. This means the script never matches anything and will not print
anything.
You will need to have awk re-read the input each time:
for (( i=1;i<=3i++ )) ; do
cat input | gawk -v var=$i 'NR == var { print; exit }'
done
I've added an "exit" to the awk script since after the action is executed,
there is clearly no more work to be done for the rest of the file, so it
make sense to terminate early.
"cat input | " is not needed - it's a useless use of cat, but I don't
know if you have it here as a representation of a more complex pipeline
that is not relevant to your question. If you are literally using
"cat input | ", you can replace it with either:
gawk -v var=$1 '...' input
(i've remove the script for brevity).
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Re: dev pts mystery
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: >On Mon, 03 Sep 2012, songbird wrote: >> somehow (i can't say what happened or i'd >> have the answer), now it looks like: >> >> crw--w 1 me tty 136, 0 Sep 3 20:05 0 >> crw--w 1 me tty 136, 1 Sep 3 20:10 1 >> crw--w 1 root tty 136, 2 Sep 4 2012 2 >> crw--w 1 me tty 136, 3 Sep 3 20:05 3 >> crw--w 1 me tty 136, 4 Sep 3 20:05 4 >> c- 1 root root 5, 2 Sep 3 14:53 ptmx >"ps auxwww | grep pts/2" could tell you more about whatever has pts/2 open. The "a" and "x" arguments to ps(1) select all processes. ps also has the option to select processes by tty(and 3 w's does nothing more than 2): $ ps uwwt pts/2 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/53d9.5046ff97@xionine.xdna.net
Re: Transferring files between Samsung tablet and a Debian box
Ken Heard writes: >Can anyone tell me how I can transfer files between my Samsung tablet >with Honeycomb and my Debian boxes with Lenny or Squeeze, using either a >USB or Bluetooth connection between them? I know I can transfer them by >e-mail, but that method is cumbersome. As others have mentioned in this thread, Honeycomb and onwards use MTP as the protocol for communicating with a USB host instead of MSC (mass storage class). I have not found a reliable MTP stack on linux, possibly because the MTP protocol itself is not very general, so treating the device as a filesystem is an abstraction mismatch. Instead, I have install an app called AirDroid on my tablet. This lets me communicate with the tablet via my browser, and supports transferring files that way. It does not give the flexibility of treating the device as a mounted filesystem, but works well enough for my purposes. I know that's not USB or bluetooth, but hopefully it is still suitable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/634.4fff98d9.41...@xionine.xdna.net
Re: virt-manager fails to connect to remote server
Gary Dale writes: >On 08/07/12 09:01 PM, Davi Garcia wrote: >> Hey, >> >> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Gary Dale wrote: >>> Any ideas? >> This looks similar to bug #590649 [1]. Have you tried to install >> "ssh-askpass"? >> >> [1] - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590649 >> >> []s, >> >When I run it with ssh-askpass installed, I get: >Unable to connect to libvirt. >Cannot recv data: Host key verification failed. : Connection reset by peer Given what you have said in your other email, where you have reinstalled Debian on the server, and the above error message, it looks like you have an old host key in your ~/.ssh/known_hosts or /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts (you may not have the latter). Is it possible that when you manually ssh to test, you are using a different host name to what you are using in the qemu+ssh url? e.g. one is a fully-qualified host name, and one is not? Regardless, check your known_hosts files for all references to the server hostname and IP address, delete those lines and manually ssh in again using the same hostname as is in your qemu+ssh URL. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4b99.4ffa86fc.ef...@xionine.xdna.net
Re: Using the find command
Alan Chandler writes: >At one point it does > clean /run "! -xtype d ! -name utmp ! -name innd.pid" || ES=1 > clean /run/lock "! -type d" || ES=1 > clean /run/shm "! -type d" || ES=1 >which looks as though (with the "! - xtype d...") that its trying not to >recurse down the subdirectories of /run (otherwise why follow the clean >/run with clean /run/lock) No, that does not stop find recursing into directories. It will just stop it performing its action on directories. That is, it will not delete directories. To stop recursion into directories, there would have to be a -prune in there somewhere. >what in effect is happening is its cd to /run >then calls find >find . "! -xtype d ! -name utmp ! -name innd.pid" -delete This is not correct. It will run find without those quotes since the invocation of the find(1) command in the clean() function does not use quotes around the variable expansion. >I tried running >find . "! -xtype d ! -name utmp ! -name innd.pid" That is trying to treat the whole part within the quotes as a single filename, which is why you get the error: >b) it finishes up with a line which says find: `! -xtype d ! -name utmp >! -name innd.pid': No such file or directory It is the same as running: find dir1 dir2 which will then just print out all the files/directories under these two directories. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/32f3.4fe16f30.6f...@xionine.xdna.net
Re: Bash script problem [OT?]
Chris Davies writes:
>Cam Hutchison wrote:
>> BK_LIST=()
>> Append to the array with +=
>> BK_LIST+="${PARAM}"
>This += syntax appears not to work with my version of bash
>("4.1.5(1)-release" from package bash 4.1-3). Instead I have
>to do this:
> BK_LIST+=("${PARAM}")
>Was yours a typo, or is it something that now works in yet newer
>versions of the shell?
Sigh. Sorry, it was a typo. That explains why it did not work for the OP.
I though that was strange, since I've successfully used arrays to maintain
argument vectors with arguments containing spaces. I was so sure it worked
that I focussed on testing the wrong part.
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Re: Bash script problem [OT?]
Soare Catalin writes:
>Thank you everyone for replying, but unfortunately, nothing seems to work
>for the moment, although all the answers appear to make sense.
>First, the array solution appears to work, but when tar gets all the
>parameters, they become a long string without spaces :), obviously "cannot
>stat: No such file or directory".
Please post the code you have ended up with. The array method I posted
will work, but you may be using it incorrectly. From the bash man page:
If the word is double-quoted, ${name[*]} expands to a single word
with the value of each array member separated by the first character
of the IFS special variable, and ${name[@]} expands each element of
name to a separate word.
That is, the literal "${name[@]}" expands to each element of the array
"name" as a separate word. Not one long word as you have experienced.
I've used this method plenty of times in the past, so I know it does work.
What version of bash are you using? (bash --version)
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Re: Bash script problem [OT?]
Soare Catalin writes:
>The script will take files or dirs as parameters and will back them up in a
>presefined location, using tar. Problems arise when it will encounter files
>or directories which contain spaces in their names.
>then #is it an existing directory?
>BK_LIST="$BK_LIST ${PARAM}"
here...
>else
>if [ -f "$PARAM" ]; then #is it an existing file?
>BK_LIST="$BK_LIST ${PARAM}"
and here.
As you build up BK_LIST, you lose the ability to tell which spaces are
the ones you added, or were already in $PARAM. You end up treating all
spaces as word separators.
To fix this, you want to make BK_LIST an array:
BK_LIST=()
# or declare -a BK_LIST, but I prefer the former
Append to the array with +=
BK_LIST+="${PARAM}"
Expand the array, preserving spaces:
tar -cjf $BK_FULLPATH "${BK_LIST[@]}"
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Re: how to refrain only use certain number of processors
lina writes:
>Yes. the ultimate goal is:
>for i in {0..108}
>do
>cat A_$i.txt B_$i.txt C_$i.txt -o ABC_$i.txt (output as ABC_$i.txt)
>done
>but here I wish to use only 8 processors at most, total is 16.
>the administrator of the cluster asked me not to use whole, cause
>someone else needs SMP server.
seq 0 108 | xargs -I@ -P8 cat A_@.txt B_@.txt C_@.txt -o ABC_@.txt
Most people use the character sequence {} where I have used @. I find @
to be simpler to type, so I use that instead.
I don't think you need -n1 in this case as it is somewhat implied by the
use of -I.
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Re: start-stop-daemon: stop several processes
hvw59601 writes: >This process is started at boot by 'do_chk_ip' in /etc/init.d which has: > stop) > start-stop-daemon --stop --verbose --exec $DAEMON > ;; >where $DAEMON=/usr/bin/do_tail_chk which has: >tail -s 1 -n 60 -f /var/log/syslog | /usr/bin/do_chk_ip >but that starts 3 processes: >28739 tty5 00:00:00 do_tail_chk >28740 tty5 00:00:00 tail >28741 tty5 00:00:00 do_chk_ip >My stop) statement only kills 28739, how do I specify that also 28740 >and 28741 ought to be killed? Put "exec" before tail: exec tail -s 1 -n 60 -f /var/log/syslog | /usr/bin/do_chk_ip If you use exec, then the shell process that is do_tail_chk will be replaced by the tail process which will get the same pid, so start-stop-daemon will send the TERM signal to tail. When tail exits, the reader on the pipe that tail was writing to will get an EOF and will itself exit. This all assumes that there is nothing after the "tail -s 1..." line in the do_tail_chk script that will need to run after tail exits. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7206.4f0e530b.2b...@getafix.xdna.net
Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?
Paul Wise writes: >I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this: > * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do >that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes, >custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity. > * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone >integrated with it. > * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, > * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or >OpenFWWF > * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important > * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc) > * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary >bootloader or whatever. > * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful >amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS > * a few USB ports would be nice > * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever One device that comes close is the FritzBox 7390: http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php The big problem holding me back from this is that there does seem to be a hacking community, but it's all in German (not surprising, since AVM is a German manufacturer). I've lost track of this product over the last year or so, so I'm not sure where the hacking community is on it - perhaps there's more English resources by now. I don't know where in the world you live, so this may not be available to you. It came to Australia earlier this year (2011). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1763.4ef7d60c.5e...@getafix.xdna.net
How can I get GNOME 2 back
I have tried GNOME 3. I have tried it with fallback mode. I've now tried xfce, kde and my own hacked together xsession with gnome components. I don't like any of it. What I like is the setup I had. I had GNOME 2 set up just the way I wanted it, and there was nothing wrong with it. Is there any way to get this back, while still using Debian? I've been using Debian (sid) a long time and I'm not changing distros. Are the debian patches for the last of the GNOME 2 releases still available? Can I build my own packages? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7f48.4ed21938.82...@getafix.xdna.net
Re: Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?
Camaleón writes: >On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 05:15:42 +0000, Cam Hutchison wrote: >> I'd like to keep using the panel from GNOME 2. I like its world clock, >> the menu and a couple of applets. >> >> Is this still in unstable at all? The replacement seems to be less >> functional (at the moment). >Yes, you can still launch the "fallback" mode from login manager. There >you can add the applets and put the panels in a similar way that GNOME2 >allowed. I have tried fallback mode, but even in that mode I cannot configure the panels, and it does not have the GNOME 2 world clock. I like to have a single panel at the bottom of the screen with a few useful things on it. I also have two monitors so I need a panel on each, and each is configured differently. It appears that the GNOME 3 panel is completely locked down with no way to configure it, whether standard or fallback mode. I accept that for my uses, I cannot use GNOME 3, which is why I'm looking for a replacement panel for the GNOME 2 panel. I run fvwm under GNOME 2, with a configuration that has evolved over 15 years. GNOME 3 model is so far away from my current desktop model that there's no chance of giving it a go. GNOME 3 wont work with a different window manager. There's a chance I could move from fvwm to compiz, if that will work with GNOME 3, but so far, no other window manager lets me configure it in the way I currently use fvwm. I have tried xfce and kde, neither of which are to my taste. I could elaborate, but it's really just personal preference and things I just think are done poorly or incompletely. I expect I will be going back to an .xinitrc/.xsession based setup, cherry-picking the parts I like from existing tools. It looks like I will need to find replacements for: * gnome-panel: There's a number of panels, most of which would probably be ok, except that the gnome world clock is not a separate component, but part of gnome-panel. Perhaps I'll look at what can be done to split it out into it's own component that can be used on any panel. * gnome-settings-daemon: I have a love-hate relationship with this at the moment - it mostly does things well but occasionally does things contrary to what I want and refuses to budge, or just seems to flake out sometimes. Since xsettings is a fdo spec, there's hope for drop-in replacements. * nautilus: I mostly use the command line, but I like the auto-mounting, and I'm one of those few users that like the spatial mode of nautilus. * gnome-bluetooth: This gives a nice easy way to set up bluetooth devices. I hope it can be run mostly independently of GNOME. * pulseaudio: I like it, and always have. I like being to easily move audio from my little USB speakers to my internal sound card connected to my amp and good speakers, and then to my bluetooth headphones. I've been living with a hobbled Debian version of GNOME for some time, since they've ripped out pulseaudio support from gnome-settings-daemon making my keyboard volume and mute keys non-functional. * system-config-printer-applet: Oh how I hate having to manually configure CUPS, and this tool seems to work most of the time. On the plus side, it will be nice to get rid of the evolution mail client and components altogether. I tried it for a while, but could not adjust. I'm happy with a combination of mutt and gmail. >> Otherwise is there a compatible panel available that can use the GNOME 2 >> world clock? >World clock should available in gnome-shell 3.2. Perhaps I'll revisit GNOME 3 then. It certainly has potential, but I'm disappointed that it was released without being a superset of GNOME 2. Thanks for your input. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1149.4ebefb6f.a3...@getafix.xdna.net
Is GNOME 2 panel still in unstable?
I'd like to keep using the panel from GNOME 2. I like its world clock, the menu and a couple of applets. Is this still in unstable at all? The replacement seems to be less functional (at the moment). Otherwise is there a compatible panel available that can use the GNOME 2 world clock? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/725.4ebe00fe.f...@getafix.xdna.net
Re: Cruft in /var/lib/dpkg/status
David Baron writes: >On Sunday 18 Tishrey 5772 19:32:50 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org >wrote: >> What is the output of the command >> >> grep 'Status:' /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep -v installed >> >A bunch of lines: >Status: deinstall ok config-files If you just need to purge all packages that just have their config installed, the easiest way I know of is to use the aptitude. # aptitude purge ~c This will purge all packages that have been removed but have left config files around. If you want to see what those packages are, run # aptitude search ~c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/71b3.4e9baa99.b0...@getafix.xdna.net
Re: Reducing kernel compilation time
David Witbrodt writes: >(My goal was to >produce a kernel that boots without an initrd; most people will not >share that goal.) I would have thought that most people would share that goal, since building an initrd is useful for only two reasons I can think of: 1) You are building a distro kernel that needs to run on many different types of machines, since you don't know what modules would need to be built in to find the root filesystem. 2) You have a complex method of getting the root filesystem mounted - perhaps encrypted LVM on top of a network block device, etc, etc, etc. Since most people who are building their own kernels probably do not have either of these requirements, building without an initrd would make things a lot simpler. I looked into building an initrd with my kernel builds, but it just made things more complicated and I could not see the point. Is there some other reason to use an initrd when building your own customized kernels? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/6334.4e7fd836.76...@getafix.xdna.net
Re: bash script fails in squeeze
"Bonno Bloksma" writes: [...snip...] >ping3.sh -- >default gateway >status=0 >ping4.sh -- >status=1 [...snip...] >ping3.sh -- ># test of $PINGHOST pingt ># pingt hij niet, test dan nog een keer ># pingt hij dan nog niet, verwijder dan de defaultroute >[ `pingtest $PINGHOST` == NOK ] && \ >[ `pingtest $PINGHOST2` == NOK ] && \ > sleep 2 && \ > [ `pingtest $PINGHOST` == NOK ] && \ > [ `pingtest $PINGHOST2` == NOK ] && \ > echo no default gateway || echo default gateway >ping4.sh -- ># test of $PINGHOST pingt ># pingt hij niet, test dan nog een keer ># pingt hij dan nog niet, verwijder dan de defaultroute >[ `pingtest $PINGHOST` == NOK ] && \ >[ `pingtest $PINGHOST2` == NOK ] && \ > sleep 2 && \ > [ `pingtest $PINGHOST` == NOK ] && \ > [ `pingtest $PINGHOST2` == NOK ] && \ > nodefaultgw [...snip...] >I hope someone can find a reason why for instance ping4 fails and ping3 does >not. ping3 does not fail because you have '|| echo default gateway' on the end, and this is the branch that is being taken. echo(1) returns true so you get a status of zero from the whole list. ping4 does not have an '|| cmd' branch, so the whole list retuns false (non-zero). These results are consistent with one of the pingtest commands returning OK (or not returning NOK, technically) I think you are looking in the wrong place. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/76a9.4e1523de.e4...@getafix.xdna.net
Re: Accented chars in filenames issue
Ralf Mardorf writes: >$ echo test > \* >$ ls >* Desktop Downloads hdsp.1 >Any idea how I can get rid of the file named *? Exactly the same way you created it. With a backslash. $ rm \* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5d92.4e05f078.14...@getafix.xdna.net
Re: Translate user names with NFS
Dan writes: >If you have the same user (ex. pedro) with the same name but >different UID and GID NFS4 will do the conversion. Therefore I am just >going to sync the names between the two machines. To do that I guess >that I just need to change the file /etc/passwd and /etc/group Should >I update the names somewhere else? /etc/shadow and /etc/gshadow Other specific application configs may have already recorded a username in a config/state file somewhere. You will probably also want to rename the home directory for the user and update that in /etc/passwd too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3990.4df93151.3b...@getafix.xdna.net
SSD partition alignment considerations
I'm about to do a fresh install of Debian onto a new box with a Crucial M4 128GB SSD. I want to ensure that I get the best performance I can out of the SSD so I want to make sure I take care of any partition alignment issues. I have read tytso's blog post (http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/aligning-filesystems-ssd%E2%80%99s-erase-block-size) but that post is a couple of years old now and may not be relevant. Also, I cannot find any specific information on the M4's erase block size but some hints suggest it may be 512kiB, not the 128kiB used in that blog post (and the c/h/s settings no longer work for 512kiB alignment). It is necessary to worry about alignment anymore with modern SSDs? The Debian installer did not seem to have any special handling that I could see, so I suspect I would have to pre-partition the drive and tell the installer to use the existing partitions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/f97.4de462f3.b4...@getafix.xdna.net
Sarge -> Lenny
Hi All,
apt-get dist-upgrade normally works a treat, but having used it lately
to move from Etch to Lenny (after appropriate /etc/apt/sources.list
changes) I encountered this ugly situation:
Preparing to replace indent 2.2.9-7 (using .../indent_2.2.9-9_i386.deb) ...
Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not
match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22.10) at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11.
Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 9
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not
match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22.10) at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11.
Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/indent_2.2.9-9_i386.deb
(--unpack):
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 9
Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not
match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22.10) at
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11.
Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308.
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/indent_2.2.9-9_i386.deb
This kept happening for any package that wanted to use install-info to
(presumably) update the Info doc database - and that's a few packages
when doing a full migration!
I'm presently working around this by commenting lines 11-13 in
/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm:
1 #
2 # This file is auto-generated. ***ANY*** changes here will be lost
3 #
4
5 package Errno;
6 our (@EXPORT_OK,%EXPORT_TAGS,@ISA,$VERSION,%errno,$AUTOLOAD);
7 use Exporter ();
8 use Config;
9 use strict;
10
11 #"$Config{'archname'}-$Config{'osvers'}" eq
12 #"i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64" or
13 # die "Errno architecture
(i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not match executable
architectur$
...and clearly this isn't a solution at all. I feel distinctly uneasy
with a workaround that out-uglies the original problem like this one.
Does anyone have any idea of what is actually going on here?
cheers,
cam
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Confused by modules
My ultimate goal is to run patched versions of modules hermes, orinoco and orinoco_cs so I can run kismet or prismstumbler. I am presently running 2.4.26 that came with Sarge but Debian doesn't offer 2.4.26 kernel sources so I apt-got 2.4.27 kernel sources, did the configuration (including requesting the needed drivers) and recompiled the kernel. My present sub-goal is to simply run with unpatched drivers to prove that things are working before I patch them. I know the drivers get compiled ok since I can see them, eg hermes.o with a recent time stamp, in "/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27/drivers/net/wireless/", however they don't show up anywhere else and in particular they don't show up in or below "/lib/modules/2.4.27/" which is where I was expecting them. The compiled 2.4.27 boots ok but since the wireless related modules aren't in the right place the wireless card doesn't work. In the past I have always compiled stuff directly into the kernel rather than using modules so although not new to recompiling the kernel I am new to using modules. Am I correct in assuming that ALL modules for the new version of the kernel should show up under "/lib/modules/2.4.27/"? I don't understand why some modules show up there (for example "/lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.o" is there just fine) while other (in particular the ones I am interested in) don't. Of course I could make symlinks manually but that sounds pretty clunky; I would rather do it right in the first place. Maybe there is some Debian page that explains this in lurid detail but several hours of looking through the Debian site and searching google didn't turn up anything useful. Anybody know what I am doing wrong? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org Translucency Lockup: Should I file a bug?
Hi, I've had the same problem for some time now. It's been a long time since i've played w/ it, but iirc the nvidia (you are using binary like me i'm assuming?) documentation warns that the composite extension is not supported and experimental. Same goes for the RenderAccel option in the xorg.conf. I *think* that for right now it's an issue w/ the stinking binary drivers as opposed to a problem w/ x.org. As has been previously mentioned however, it's really not practical to run w/out the hardware acceleration... Anyway, i think for now we're just kind of stuck waiting for nvidia. Good luck, Cameron MathesonOn 9/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:On 9/8/05, David Purton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:>> I've tried to get shadows working with xcompmgr and usually as soon as I> try to move a window or roll it up, the system locks hard as well. CPU> for X goes to 100%.> > I don't need to reboot, but I do have to shell in remotely and restart> X.>> The problem is that I don't know where the problem lies: X.org or> xcompmgr or nvidia drivers. I did manage to get things to be stable on a > laptop with an S3 card, but without acceleration it's really too slow.Hm. Well, no probs with shadows here (yet, anyway). I tried enablingthe "DAMAGE" and "RENDER" extensions in xorg.conf just in case, butthat didn't help, still locks up. I'd be glad to help debug it ifsomeone would tell me how.Is this even the right list? Should I be asking on -devel?
network diagnostics
Hi, I recently switched ISP's (was using Qwest DSL, now i'm using M$N through Qwest (my dad did it!)), anyway, ever since the upgrade i am unable to do just about everything except for browse the net/ftp. By that i mean... no MSN, Jabber, Yahoo!, IRC, Bittorrent, various media-streaming, etc. The funny thing is that it all works from my familiy's windoze box. I tried watching the output of tcpdump -i eth0, but everything looked pretty normal (although i'm admittedly unfamiliar w/ those kinds of tools). Anyway, i'd like to get to the bottom of why none of my linux boxes are able to use those services, while the windows boxes still can. This wasn't a problem before the ISP switch. The new DSL modem they gave us though is doing the routing/dhcp/etc. Any tips? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
Re: novell hula open source project?
Ok, i feel like a jerk for replying to my own email so quick... but here's some info i've dug up: Can I use Hula with an existing MTA? Hula provides an MTA by default, but it won't be hard to get Hula to play with an existing MTA. We will be providing instructions for doing this sometime soon, watch this space! So it's undocumented but i will play around w/ it and try to get it working w/ all my stuff (hopefully not just the mta). Still, if anyone has prior experience or tips that would be a life saver. Thanks! Cameron Matheson On 7/22/05, Cam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm setting up a web server. Everything is finished except for the > webmail portion. The setup i have going on currently is > Postfix/Courier(IMAP and POP)/MySQL(for the virtual users)/Amavis(w/ > ClamAV and Spamassassin). That stuff is all working really great. > The portion i am lacking is webmail. Initially i tried sqwebmail > (courier), but it was just way too ugly and i would feel guilty giving > that to the users. Then i checked out squirellmail, which is a step > in the right direction, although still a little bland (maybe not too > big of a deal?). A friend recommended Hula to me. The interface is > beautiful, and i like a lot of the features. Unfortunately, it seems > that it wants to do *everything* (be it's own mail server, web server, > imap server, etc.). That seems like a lot of crap when i already have > *all* of that stuff working anyway. Would it be worth it to run > anyway? Hula is easily moved to other ports so that you can have the > services running side-by-side, but is it worth it to do it this way? > will i take a huge performance hit? tips or experience would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Cameron Matheson >
novell hula open source project?
Hi, I'm setting up a web server. Everything is finished except for the webmail portion. The setup i have going on currently is Postfix/Courier(IMAP and POP)/MySQL(for the virtual users)/Amavis(w/ ClamAV and Spamassassin). That stuff is all working really great. The portion i am lacking is webmail. Initially i tried sqwebmail (courier), but it was just way too ugly and i would feel guilty giving that to the users. Then i checked out squirellmail, which is a step in the right direction, although still a little bland (maybe not too big of a deal?). A friend recommended Hula to me. The interface is beautiful, and i like a lot of the features. Unfortunately, it seems that it wants to do *everything* (be it's own mail server, web server, imap server, etc.). That seems like a lot of crap when i already have *all* of that stuff working anyway. Would it be worth it to run anyway? Hula is easily moved to other ports so that you can have the services running side-by-side, but is it worth it to do it this way? will i take a huge performance hit? tips or experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Cameron Matheson
Re: replacing window manager in gnome and getting usable screen shape
Hi, On 7/21/05, Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Allow me to display my ignorance: what is gdm? Is it another component > of the x-windows-system? When I re-installed x-windows, it asked me to > select gdm or xdm. It's not an acronym for gnome, is it? Let me man it. Gnome Display Manager... pretty much the same functionality as xdm just w/ some added featurse and lacking ugliness. > But what is/are Shapes? I get seemingly related error messages on the > console from openbox: > > Xlib: extension "SHAPE" missing on display ":0.0". > > and other much more obstructive errors when i try blackbox and > enlightenment. > > Hendrik, re your problem, could it be that you have the wrong video > settings in your XFree86 config? I would say it probably is a bad XF86Config-4... maybe he could post his logs/config file somewhere? Cameron Matheson
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Re: windowmaker
Hi, On 7/8/05, Meistro Master <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you're using GDM as your login manager, you should be able to > select WMaker from the "Session" menu. If you're going for the totally NextSTEP environment you may also want to check out wdm or login.app as a replacement for gdm. have fun, Cameron Matheson
Re: GNUstep still kicking?
I too have loved windowmaker... i'm not using it right now (i've been wondering about the development status myself). Anyway, the thing i've been using lately is openbox. It's rad because it can still run the windowmaker dock-apps you're used to, and it's pretty customizeable. The only thing that needs tweakin (if i'm not so lazy i'll get around to it sometime) is their is apparently no international support in the menus/titles. It's really easy on your resources so it's good for legacy hardware or whatever. check it out. Good luck, Cameron Matheson On 7/7/05, Meistro Master <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've recently come back to Debian after several years of disappointing > work on other platforms (mainly Mac). In the past, I had used > Windowmaker as my window manager and a few GNUstep apps (GNUmail, > mainly). > > Is GNUstep still a useful platform; is it popular? I see that there > have been some recent releases of the API tools, but sometimes it's > difficult to tell how pervasive a platform is. "Actively developed" > can sometimes mean that three hackers continue to work on something > that everyone else has abandoned :D > > I no longer have time to spend hours tweaking config files, and thus > prefer an integrated desktop environment, but GNOME and KDE are too > bulky for my PIII-650 / 320MB workstation. I've not tried XFCE yet, > but hear good things. > > I really do enjoy the NeXT/OPEN/AFTER/step environment, but don't want > to get reacquainted with something that's dying a slow death :( > > > Thanks for any tips > > --maestro > >
snmp counters reaching their limit!
Hi, I'm monitoring various crap on my networkw/ cacti. The problem i'm having is that some of the counters in snmp (specifically ssRawContexts.0 and ssRawInterrupts.0) have reached the limit of an unsigned long int (4294967295). How can i reset this value? Apparantely it cannot be done through snmp? can i do it from the kernel? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
Re: chinese fonts too small
hi, On 6/23/05, Arne Götje (高盛華) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which font packages do you use as chinese fonts and which version? i'm not sure which ones i'm actually using (they just show up), but here are the packages that i have installed: xfonts-intl-chinese-1.2.1-3 xfonts-intl-chinese-big-1.2.1-3 ttf-arphic-bkai00mp 2.10-6 ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp 2.10-6 ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp 2.11-6 ttf-arphic-gkai00mp 2.11-6 should i remove the 'xfonts-intl-chinese' leaving only the big fonts maybe? Thanks! Cameron Matheson
Re: Sound not working
Hi, is there an error regarding sound when you start the game? I would think it's probably more likely that the sound daemon is tied up by esd or something. look for errors like '/dev/dsp: resource busy'... if that's the problem you could try installing the libsdl-esd package. good luck, Cameron Matheson On 6/24/05, Graham Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I've got a bit of a problem with sound on my system. It works in > most applications but not all. As it was Friday I decided to install a > few games and oddly enough sound doesn't work in any I have tried so far > for instance NeverBall and TuxRacer. Now I think the problem might be > that they are trying to use OSS where as I (think at least) am using > alsa. I have installed also-oss as it looked like it might make things > work but no joy. I have included the results of lsmod below if that > helps. Any ideas what might be wrong? Sound is one of those areas that > just seems to be a black art to me. > > TIA, Graham > > lsmod | grep snd > snd_intel8x0 35456 4 > snd_ac97_codec 82384 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_ioctl3228096 0 > snd_pcm_oss55968 0 > snd_mixer_oss 19520 1 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm95372 5 > snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_ioctl32,snd_pcm_oss > snd_timer 25160 2 snd_pcm > snd57256 13 > snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_ioctl32,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer > soundcore 11232 1 snd > snd_page_alloc 11144 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm > > System Spec > Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI > Video: Gigabyte GV-NX66T128VP > Sound: On Board (8 Point Surround) AC97 Compatible > Network: On Board (2 * Gigabit Ethernet, 1 * Wireless) > Processor: AMD Athlon64 939 3000+ "Venice" > Memory: 2 * Corsair XMS 512MB PC3200 C2 > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
ALSA: no sound, no error!
run alsamixer and turn your volume back up? Cameron Matheson On 6/23/05, [KS] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > My system is an unstable Debian box and was running sound (with ALSA) > under KDE(and sometimes GNOME) without any problem till a few weeks ago. > But now I get no sound what soever. There is no sound if I do $cat > /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp Also, when I try to play audio (audio CD or > mp3s) with XMMS everything seems to be running fine but there is no > sound! XMMS, xine, or other multimedia applications do not complain > about anything regarding sound system. > > Could someone help or give tips on how to go about debugging the sound > problem? > > Below are some details about the system: > arts is set to release the sound device after 2 seconds, and it looks > that its working. Testing sound from the Control Center>Sound and > Multimedia doesn't give any error either. > > ~$ lspci | grep Multimedia > :00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM > (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) > > ~$ lsmod | grep snd > snd_intel8x0 33216 0 > snd_ac97_codec 78360 1 snd_intel8x0 > snd_pcm_oss53344 0 > snd_mixer_oss 19872 1 snd_pcm_oss > snd_pcm92712 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss > snd_timer 24644 1 snd_pcm > snd55300 6 > snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer > soundcore 9664 1 snd > snd_page_alloc 10020 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm > > ~$ cat /proc/asound/cards > 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH4 - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 > Intel 82801DB-ICH4 with AD1981A at 0xfebff800, irq 201 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
chinese fonts too small
Hi, There's been a problem that has bugged me for a while now (just not enough to do anything about earlier). Chinese fonts on my desktop are too small! The english fonts are fine, so i don't want to make them any bigger. Is there anyway to make it so that chinese fonts display bigger, without affecting the size of all fonts in my system? thanks, Cameron Matheson
snmp problems
Hi, I'm trying to set up snmp on my system, but i've run into a few difficulties. Some queries w/ snmp work fine (for example, uptime, ssRawContexts, etc.), but some i can't load. I want to set up cpu monitoring of some of my hosts w/ cacti, but for some reason i can't get to the cpu stuff w/ snmp. The command 'snmpwalk -v 1 -c public localhost ssRawCpuUser' returns the following: ssRawCpuUsers: Unknown Object Identifier (Sub-id not found: (top) -> ssRawCpuUsers) I've been reading some documentation on snmp which said that sometimes you need to load more mib files... i added '-m ALL' to the above command, but the output is the same. what is wrong? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
logrotate
hi guys, i have two files specified in the same logrotate file (in /etc/logrotate.d) that are both supposed to be rotated weekly. the problem is that one of them is rotated on sunday, and one is rotated on tuesday. how can i force them to rotate on the same day? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
Re: Nagios CGI permissioning problem
I got it to work but i had to edit the /etc/apache/conf.d/nagios file. just comment out the crap that is in there now, and then replace it w/ the stuff in the nagios documentation (i would copy/paste... but i don't have that file here at home) Good luck, Cameron Matheson On 6/18/05, Christian Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Martynas, > > Martynas Brijunas, 14.06.2005 (d.m.y): > > > on a clean Sarge installation I am trying to configure nagios-text. > > During the install it suggested to add the required settings to the > > Apache's config. However Nagios refuses to let me see any of the host > > details pages with the "CGI authorization error" message. > > > > I have read that this is a known problem with nagios on debian. I > > wonder if anyone has successfully resolved the issue. Any help would > > be much appreciated. > > Have you created a user in the nagios htpasswd file that is provided > with provileges by corresponding entries in the cgi configuration > file? > > I have, but I've been running into similar problems: It seems as if > the uid I'm using to authenticate via HTTP with doens't make it into > the nagios cgi. > > Gruss, > Christian Schmidt > > -- > Christian Schmidt | Germany > No HTML Mails, please! > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
snmp
Hi guys, i need to be able to remotely monitor a bunch of stuff on my network.. for services (http and what not) i'm using nagios, which is going great. I also need to be able to monitor the disk usage, load, context switches. on various hosts, so i was thinking snmp would be the best way to go. SNMP looks fairly intimidating however, and for a really simple setup like mine i really don't want to read too many books. Is there any HOWTO's on how to setup a very simple (like just checking disk usage/cpu) over the network? tools to make this easier? If anyone could help i would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Cameron Matheson
esddsp
Hi, There's been some discussion about esd over the network lately, but i don't know if i've seen any real great solutions... i'm at the point where i can hear have networked sound w/ esdplay, and xmms (w/ the esd plugin selected and the server part configured). Anyway, i thought that esddsp was supposed to make it so that all sound would get routed through it (for example, shouldn't 'esddsp -s 192.168.1.10 -p 115' make it so that all sound wants to go to the esd server on 192.168.1.10? if i do it like that, i hear no sound coming from either box... any clues? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
Re: Question about Last-Minute Notes
netinst cd's aren't official. if you want the official stuff, get the iso's w/ jigdo. it shouldn't matter either way though Cameron Matheson On 6/15/05, hell0 un1verse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > On the Sarge netinst CD, in the README.html there's a section which > reads like this: > > Last-Minute Notes > > You should keep in mind that this is an unofficial CD of the current > development version of the Debian system. This means that all sorts of > bugs may be present anywhere in the system. > > Why is it "unofficial" CD? Isn't this CD from official Sarge release? > > -- > hell0 un1verse > >
Re: how to determine source of lockups?
Hi, On 6/14/05, Stephen R Laniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a lark: which kernel version are you running? I'm running > Ubuntu on one of my machines, and one of the earlier kernel > versions interacted badly with GNOME. inotify turned out to > be the problem, and adding 'noinotify' to the kernel options > in grub solved that problem. They did eventually patch both > GNOME and the kernel to fix this, and I've turned inotify > back on with no problems. thanks, i'm actually running on ubuntu on this box too, and it *was* the inotify thing... i added the noinotify option and it hasn't locked up yet, so i guess it's problem solved. thanks, Cameron Matheson
how to determine source of lockups?
Hi, I've been experiencing some bad lockups lately... it seems like certain applications are more prone to cause them (lotus notes under wine, for example). Anyway, i re-compiled my kernel (i just wanted a thinner kernel), but now everytime i start firefox, my box freezes up. There's nothing in /var/log/kernlog or syslog... to be honest, it may not be a total lockup, it could just be X. I am unable to move my mouse or do anything w/ ctrl+alt+backspace, sysrq, etc. the only thing i can possibly think of being an issue is maybe my nvidia drivers (i did recompile the module for my new kernel). any tips for maybe narrowing this down better? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
system monitoring software
Hi, I'm looking for some software that can do some basic system-monitoring tasks (check if services are up and running, hard-drive space, etc). I've been looking at some things like nagios, OpenNMS, and Cacti... they all look pretty good (i probably like the looks of nagios the best), but i'd like to get some input on what has worked for people in the past. Thanks, Cameron Matheson
Re: Request for window manager recommendations
Hi, > Ditto on WMaker. The big thing that drew me to it was the fond memories > I had of using NeXTStep on some NeXT machines in high school. It truly > was a joy to use. I must say that WMaker does an outstanding job of > replicating the interface. WindowMaker is the best... it doesn't seem to be under development anymore though... am i wrong? Cameron Matheson
IP Address assigned by ISP, dns set as static?
You could just write a quick script that writes a good resolv.conf file, and then stick it in your system-wide crontab. I don't know how often it would need to run, but it should be pretty trivial. Good luck, Cameron Matheson On 6/10/05, David Nicholls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > I've got a few Debian (sarge) boxes connected to isp's via either ADSL > modems (dlink dsl-300t's) or with a internal pci adsl modems. > > I've been having a few problems with dns lookups and have been given a > new set up dns servers and not the same ones placed into resolv.conf by > dhcp. > > Obviously if I make a change to resolv.conf, it will be soon-after be > updated back to the original dns servers by dhcp. > > I was wondering if anyone knows of a simple way to do this? > > Thanks. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFCqbdH62r58u1gKlkRAgRAAKCwFNbE8k2Wn406ijoL8K4gOX6eLgCeNu3p > x9e9UyXfmQRyw+LjkJVfvqA= > =uNAm > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Sound over X
Hi, It's really been too long since i've played a game... IIRC you just need to install the package libsdl1.2-esd (by default it installs libsdl1.2-oss (response time is probably better that way?) Good luck, Cameron Matheson On 6/9/05, TreeBoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marvellous! > > I've always been somewhat daunted by the mplayer manual, so this piece of > enlightenment is truly well received. > > I have to ask, though, how do I get SDL games to use this ESD server too? > > Many thanks, > TreeBoy > > > > On Thursday 09 Jun 2005 15:18, Cam wrote: > > Thanks!... i've been working w/ for the same thing but failed (i was > > also trying NAS). Anyway, i used to use esddsp a long time ago, but > > i've kind of forgotten the in's and outs... if you use mplayer though, > > that has an esd output plugin. (or, AFAIK, anything written in SDL can > > use esd, so basically any game should be cool). > > > > Cameron Matheson > > > > On 6/9/05, TreeBoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Having failed with NAS, here is what I have done with esound. > > > > > > esound was already installed (part of Gnome) on both the laptop and the > > > desktop. > > > > > > First I have to configure the server on the laptop: > > > > > > I've changed the file /etc/esd.conf to show: > > > > > > [esd] > > > auto_spawn=1 > > > spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 5 > > > spawn_wait_ms=100 > > > # default options are used in spawned and non-spawned mode > > > default_options=-public -tcp -promiscuous > > > > > > The important bits here are the first and last lines. > > > > > > After this is done you start esd in the background by using: > > > > > > esd & > > > > > > > > > I then installed esound-clients on the laptop and did: > > > > > > esdplay test.wav > > > > > > Got nothing! > > > > > > Ran alsamixer and unmuted, tried again: SUCCESS! > > > > > > So, I installed esound-clients on the desktop, ran the following command: > > > > > > esdplay -s laptop test.wav > > > > > > SUCCESS! > > > > > > > > > Then I configured xmms on the desktop to use the eSound output and > > > specified the hostname of my laptop as the destination. > > > > > > SUCCESS!!! > > > > > > I haven't yet found how to use esddsp, which I believe I need to use xine > > > or whatever. I just get no noise at all and no error message - dagnabbit! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Peter > > > > > > On Sunday 29 May 2005 20:06, TreeBoy wrote: > > > > Hi, again. > > > > > > > > Managed to get it working (sort of!). > > > > > > > > I have a desktop machine that sits in another room because the > > > > flashing lights and the noisy fans would not be allowed into the living > > > > room. > > > > > > > > I have a laptop that I use all the time connected to the desktop. I run > > > > X on the desktop and view it's contents on the laptop with the > > > > following command; > > > > > > > > X -query desktop :1 > > > > > > > > I am not able to get to log in remotely using kdm. > > > > > > > > First of all, I had to install nas (the server package) on the laptop. > > > > > > > > Then I installed nas-bin (the client utils) on the desktop. > > > > > > > > I then had to change the /etc/default/nas file on the laptop to have > > > > the "-aa" option to allow unauthenticated connections. > > > > > > > > I was then able to run > > > > > > > > auinfo > > > > > > > > on the laptop's konsole and it said everything was fine. > > > > > > > > I was also able to execute the following on a remote konsole on the > > > > desktop (i.e. sat at the laptop in KDE on the desktop): > > > > > > > > auinfo -audio tcp/laptop:8000 > > > > > > > > and get the results I needed. > > > > > > > > When I then execute: > > > > > > > > audial -audio tcp/laptop:8000 -volume 50 0123 > > > > > > > > and get the tones come out of the laptop!!! > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, when I then tell KDE to use the
Re: Sound over X
Thanks!... i've been working w/ for the same thing but failed (i was also trying NAS). Anyway, i used to use esddsp a long time ago, but i've kind of forgotten the in's and outs... if you use mplayer though, that has an esd output plugin. (or, AFAIK, anything written in SDL can use esd, so basically any game should be cool). Cameron Matheson On 6/9/05, TreeBoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Having failed with NAS, here is what I have done with esound. > > esound was already installed (part of Gnome) on both the laptop and the > desktop. > > First I have to configure the server on the laptop: > > I've changed the file /etc/esd.conf to show: > > [esd] > auto_spawn=1 > spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 5 > spawn_wait_ms=100 > # default options are used in spawned and non-spawned mode > default_options=-public -tcp -promiscuous > > The important bits here are the first and last lines. > > After this is done you start esd in the background by using: > > esd & > > > I then installed esound-clients on the laptop and did: > > esdplay test.wav > > Got nothing! > > Ran alsamixer and unmuted, tried again: SUCCESS! > > So, I installed esound-clients on the desktop, ran the following command: > > esdplay -s laptop test.wav > > SUCCESS! > > > Then I configured xmms on the desktop to use the eSound output and specified > the hostname of my laptop as the destination. > > SUCCESS!!! > > I haven't yet found how to use esddsp, which I believe I need to use xine or > whatever. I just get no noise at all and no error message - dagnabbit! > > Cheers, > Peter > > > On Sunday 29 May 2005 20:06, TreeBoy wrote: > > Hi, again. > > > > Managed to get it working (sort of!). > > > > I have a desktop machine that sits in another room because the flashing > > lights and the noisy fans would not be allowed into the living room. > > > > I have a laptop that I use all the time connected to the desktop. I run X > > on the desktop and view it's contents on the laptop with the following > > command; > > > > X -query desktop :1 > > > > I am not able to get to log in remotely using kdm. > > > > First of all, I had to install nas (the server package) on the laptop. > > > > Then I installed nas-bin (the client utils) on the desktop. > > > > I then had to change the /etc/default/nas file on the laptop to have the > > "-aa" option to allow unauthenticated connections. > > > > I was then able to run > > > > auinfo > > > > on the laptop's konsole and it said everything was fine. > > > > I was also able to execute the following on a remote konsole on the desktop > > (i.e. sat at the laptop in KDE on the desktop): > > > > auinfo -audio tcp/laptop:8000 > > > > and get the results I needed. > > > > When I then execute: > > > > audial -audio tcp/laptop:8000 -volume 50 0123 > > > > and get the tones come out of the laptop!!! > > > > Unfortunately, when I then tell KDE to use the NAS, I get segfaults - so it > > does not work. > > > > Next I'm going to look at ESD and then aRTS if that fails. > > > > Will let you know. > > > > Cheers, > > TreeBoy > > > > On Thursday 26 May 2005 00:46, Marty wrote: > > > TreeBoy wrote: > > > > Do you mean NAS (Network Audio System) which is available on Debian > > > > now. > > > > > > That seems to be something else. The slashdot discussion is about > > > X.org's MAS (media application server), and the posting links to this web > > > site: > > > > > > http://www.mediaapplicationserver.net/ > > > > > > Since this is an X.org project, I suspect we have to wait until Debian > > > completes the transition from XFree86 to X.org. > > > > > > > I'm intending to try and sort this out for myself this very weekend. > > > > > > > > I'll post if you're interested. > > > > > > I would be interested. Thanks. > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > TreeBoy > > -- > BOFH excuse #53: > > Little hamster in running wheel had coronary; waiting for replacement to be > Fedexed from Wyoming > > > -- > BOFH excuse #260: > > We're upgrading /dev/null > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
enhancing xdmcp performance
XDMCP works surprising well, but it's still a little sluggish (especially when switching workspaces or alpha effects come into play (like w/ the download manager in firefox, or the logout screen in gnome). I'm using a wireless network, which may be too slow... or would a faster network even do me any better? I would like to have the client over the network work as much like using a real computer as possible. from what i've read, it can be done. anyone have any tips? would using ssh w/ compression enabled have better performance than XDMCP? also, is there any way to do media-intense apps (movie players, games, etc), over the network? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
networked sound?
Hi, I just got X working w/ XDMCP, but i don't know what to do for sound... it seems like esd should be able to do the trick, but i can't find any documentation. is esound the way to go? if so, how? any better solutions? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
Amd K6 machine - advice please
Just compile your own. 386, K6, etc. are all still avaliable in the standard kernel, even if they're not in the packages (if you're scared of configuring your own, you could probably just copy the config file from a (more recent) older kernel. Good luck, Cameron Matheson On 6/6/05, Marc Auslander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm running a now out of date stable system - the sarge prerelease. > > When I upgraded to the 2.6 kernel, k6 was no longer available. I > found that 386 worked. > > Now I see that 386 is gone. Does anyone know if 486 or some other > kenrel will run on my machine. I suspect not. I'm not up to building > a different kernel, or even dealing with the disaster if I update and > it won't boot. > > I'm running vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386. I suspect I can update and keep > running it, but I'm asking for advice before I plunge ahead. > -- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
DVORAK
Hi, So after a few years of hearing of the DVORAK layout (and noticing that it seems like my left hand is doing all the work w/ QWERTY), i'd like to try to make the switch... here's my major concern though (and perhaps this isn't really an issue, i'd like to hear the advice from others that have given DVORAK a spin). How does DVORAK work w/ apps like vim, nethack, etc.? the key-layouts seem to be fairly logical and i would hate to lose them, is there some sort of patch--or is that too ugly? Is it worth the switch? thanks, Cameron Matheson
sarge: kernel & gcc version confusion
Hello all, I've just moved to debian in the last few days after several years of RH - usual reasons. Enjoying it very much so far. I installed woody with bf24 kernel from dl'd CD and just put on the most basic system. I used apt-get to install x, xfce, mozilla and a few other things.. I then decided to upgrade to sarge and did a dist-upgrade. I now want to compile the nvidia drivers for my GeForce3 and have found it slightly confusing from here. Here are some questions: - I installed gcc3.3 because this seemed to be appropriate for sarge from discussions I found on the net but I wasn't sure how to tell. Isn't it safer that I compile the driver with the same compiler that was used for X and the kernel? How do I find this out? - When I used aptitude to get gcc, it also installed a set of kernel headers. Why is this a dependency for the compiler? - Not surprisingly, the nvidia installer wants me to download the kernel headers to match my system - why can't I find headers for the bf24 kernel that I used initially - presumably becasue I moved up to sarge? - I assume it would be easier to just grab a new kernel, headers and everything and rebuild the kernel and then the nvidia driver. Is this likely to be problematic for other stuff on the system (e.g. X?) - Under aptitude there is a wide range of header packages available (not at my machine now so I can't remember them, sorry) for a given kernel - what is the difference between these? What is the minimum set to do what I want - some customisation of the kernel and building of other modules like nvidia? Any other advice, pointers etc gratefully received... c __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: missing package for kdebase?
* Robert L. Harris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Due to a hard disk failure I am stuck rebuilding my wife's machine. > So far it's going great and the box is up and 90% there. All that's > left is installing kdebase + some support packages. When I try to > install kdebase I get some errors saying it needs ksysguard, ksysguardd > and libsensors-1debian1. There doesn't appear to be a > libsensors-1debian1 anywhere I can find. Is there a way to force the > download of everything excep the ksysgu* stuff? I don't have the space > anywhere to mirror the debian trees so I can't just run a find on local > disk and do a "dpkg -i --force-depends". > > Thoughts? > That package is not currently available in Sid. There is a way to get around this, and it was discussed not more than 3 days ago on this very list. It was discussed before that. And previously. Look at http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianKDE. Next time, just use Google, or go straight to the wiki. Cheers Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Invalid ICMP error messages
I have iptables installed, and using kernel 2.4.22. Though the first rule is to drop these things, my kernel, syslog, and messages logs are filling up with this sort of thing: Nov 11 04:54:51 treehouse kernel: 24.207.8.30 sent an invalid ICMP type 11, code 0 error to a broadcast: 24.207.15.255 on eth1 I'm trying to drop these according to the destination address, which is the last address in my ISP's block. All sending addresses appear to be within that block. They started to appear during the boot sequence, and if I go to a terminal (that is, tty1,2,..., not xterm) they flood the display. I'm sure I turned something on with my last kernel compilation. Does anyone have an idea about how to turn this off? TIA Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde in "testing" ?
* Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:28:30PM -0900, Greg Madden wrote: > > so KDE 3 went into testing about a week ago and will replace any > > Since when? I haven't seen kde3 in sarge. > It's there, all right, and so is KDE2. Don't try to install KDE3 from scratch, because libsensors-1debian1 does not exist and most of the rest of the setup depends on it. There was a bug report cleared a few weeks ago that should have cleared the matter up, but it looks as though the maintainer has not been able to (has not had time to?) debianise libsensors2. The failure to install is classified grave. (In the meantime, my kids are making do with icewm.) Cheers -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using exim directly instead of smarthost
* Benedict Verheyen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > If i understand correctly all of the above: > 1. I could use exim on my server to relay all mail for me except to > hotmail and yahoo. > 2. I can setup everything at my isp's so that mail to my domain will be > sent over to my pc. > I have exactly the sort of setup you are talking about, and I both sent and received until my ISP blocked outgoing messages. I just set up my ISP as the smarthost, and life continues just fine. I use dyndns, and for US$30 (donation) use my own domain name, set up MX records, and all that. I have a cron job run ipcheck.py hourly, and that takes care of keeping dyndns' nameservers up-to-date on my whereabouts. I doubt your ISP would do this for you, except for a monthly fee. The nameserver has to have an address different from yours, so at the least you would need two IP numbers. Much less hassle and expense to use a dynamic DNS service. > Another thing i was wondering about: if you would want to use your own > nameservers with MX records and a mailserver, you would need at least 4 > machines: 2 nameservers, 1 "main" mailserver and a backup mailserver and > then a fixed ip is needed? However, if you can use the nameservers of your > isp and adjust the MX records there, why would you want to use your own > name servers? > > Are their any good books / other documentation that deal with this and all > related stuff? It's very interesting :) > Check out dyndns.org. There are several of us on this list who use it. It was quite simple to set up. Good luck Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Going to give it another shot-need more help
* Mark Healey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I've managed to get the tarball for 2.4.22 which is what kernel.org > says is the latest stable one. > Seriously -- get kernel-source-2.4.22. I fought with the stock kernel for weeks, and could not get it to work. It would compile, but hang partway through loading. With the same features the Debianised version runs like a top. Good luck Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing sarge with nforce2
* David Gaudine ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Philippe Makowski wrote: > > is the official installation cd of sarge > > (http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/) working with a nforce2 > > chipstet motherboard (especially networking adaptator) ? > > is there a success story ? > > I haven't had any luck with the network adapters. However, I'm sure you'll > be able to install. The original Woody install CD wouldn't boot with my > A7N8X, but the R1 CD does, and I had no trouble upgrading, so hopefully > netinst will work. For agp, I had to go from woody to sid (I skipped Sarge > by mistake, I forgot that the next step up from stable isn't unstable). But > I think the xfree from Sarge should be OK, if not that can be upgraded > easily enough. But still no network, at least I couldn't get it to work. > > I had it working just fine on my kids' machine (A7N266-VM), which is hooped at the moment, though for other reasons. There was no need for anything fancy -- I just followed the supplied instructions. I have not had to try it on my A7N8X. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
* Christophe Courtois ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > As there is almost no logic, this normal. And it changes from language to > language: when speaking German I always wonder which gender to use for > half of words - and they have three genders... :-( > When learning Latin, I had to learn many of them too - as French comes > from it, you could expect some coherence - but no! > Like any issue in language, it has its own "logic", though to look at it that way is probably a mistake. Languages change, and they borrow from other languages. In Latin and Greek (I use these because of nodding familiarity), it supposedly makes life easier to gather together words that seem to be similar in construction. They have similar endings, put there by people who needed to make some distinctions between, say, having the farmer (agricola) do something to the cow (vaccam), instead of the opposite (agricolam, vacca). These are from the same declension, which is "feminine", except for a few words like agricola. When you bring people together who speak different languages, there will be borrowing until the point of fusion (one supposes, though the only near-modern example of which I am aware is medieval English). Some things don't fit, and maybe a new classification is created, or some other kind of fiddle is done to try to attain regularity. The main point is, I think, that regularity is a fiction, but we keep trying to attain it because it makes communicating easier. Gender in language has nothing to do with men and women. It's a convenient fiction employed to determine whether to say "la" or "le", and it is imperfect. We decide where to put things by consensus (l'Academie Francaise notwithstanding), though the creator of a term probably has an advantage. Don't let it get you down, Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with patched 2.4.20 kernel
After making one modification (not at all relevant) to an existing kernel, it will not compile, giving this message: net/network.o(.text+0xd147): In function `rtnetlink_rcv': : undefined reference to `rtnetlink_rcv_skb' make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 I cannot find an appropriate reference in the config file. Where should I start looking? TIA Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: phonetic symbols
* L.F. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I can't convert the > Windows file into pdf in Windows because I don't have the Acrobat Reader > program; In Linux the pdf is free but in Windows it cost 600 euros. > Email the file to me, if you like -- I'll convert it for you on my Mac. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: ])
* Erik Steffl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > ... > > > - Why English doesn't have gender, since it's predecessor, German, > > does have gender? > >looks like a lot of unneccessary stuff was removed from english > language (last century or two?), as far as I can tell it's because it's > used as a non-native language for pragmatic purposes (i.e. as long as > the message gets accross it's all good:-) > Strictly speaking, English did not descend from German, but they have a common ancestry in a version that was spoken during the time the Romans were in power. Angles, Jutes, and Saxons invaded England over a period of time and pushed the Celtic peoples into Wales and Scotland, and Anglo-Saxon (which was a synthetic language like Latin) became dominant. Then William the Conqueror arrived in 1066 (and all that) and the language of the upper class was then Norman French. Over a period of time, the two languages more or less fused, and along with a major shift in pronunciation in the 14th to 15th centuries (which is why English-speaking people tend to so badly mispronounce words in other languages), all case endings and outward gender references were squeezed out, in favour of word order. English still uses gender, most obviously in pronouns, but you don't get the "der" and "die" distinction that is characteristic of German. If you want to know what Anglo-Saxon was like, go to the islands off the coast of Frysia. Cheers Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Waaaaaay OT] Grammer
* Deryk Barker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Thus spake Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:59:35PM +0100, Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 07:15:30AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > > > > > > My personal pet peeve is: > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=octopi > > > > oc?to?pus( P ) Pronunciation Key (kt-ps) > > > > n. pl. oc?to?pus?es or oc?to?pi (-p) > > > > > > > > Octopus is greek. The correct plural is octopuses damn it! > > > > > > ... so shouldn't it be 'octopedes' IIRC? Haralambos? > > > > hexadecipus > > The "Greek" plural would be octopodes. > Actually, 'octopodous', depending on case (i.e. nominative, genitive,...), if I remember my classical Greek from nearly 40 years ago correctly. Cheers Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help - kernel 2.4.22 (hangs on rcS.d scripts)
* Cam Ellison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > * Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Jerome R. Acks wrote: > > >http://home.t-online.de/home/Johannes.Deisenhofer/nforce2linux.html > > > > > >http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0261.html > > > > > >In your kernel config you probably also should have: > > >CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC is not set > > > > > > > Check out my kernel config: > > > > http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~ro668344/kernel-2.4.22-config_athlon-xp > > Checking out Roberto's .config file was useful, but it differs exceedingly little from my own. Further investigation suggests that the problem lies in the /etc/init.d/network and /etc/init.d/networking scripts run within rcS.d. The kernel is looking for something it cannot find, apparently. I'm stymied. Doesn't anyone have an idea what to do next? Cam I'm glad you're on the way to solving your problem, Jerome. It looks as though a custom config might do the trick, though I don't remember a setting for the Clie. C -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help - kernel 2.4.22 hangs
* Roberto Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Jerome R. Acks wrote: > >http://home.t-online.de/home/Johannes.Deisenhofer/nforce2linux.html > > > >http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.0-0261.html > > > >In your kernel config you probably also should have: > >CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC is not set > > I'll check these out. > >I was unsuccessful getting a 2.4.22 kernel to work properly and ended up > >using > >2.4.20. After installing nVidia's nvgart patch, ethernet driver and > >sound driver a number of problems with the nForce2 chipset got > >fixed. > > It would be nice if I could get that far. > >usb is still a problem. I've been able to get a Sony clie to sync, but > >intermittantly. Half the time usb doesn't register the device when > >I try to hot sync. Plugging a webcam gets me log message that show the > >webcam is noticed, but I don't get a useable device. > > > > > Jerome, > > Check out my kernel config: > > http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~ro668344/kernel-2.4.22-config_athlon-xp > > I had the same exact problem you had with USB. I would get log messages > but the devices would remain inaccessible. In my case, it was a USB > mouse and a Smartmedia card reader. > I have no way of knowing, but the scanner _is_ picked up all right. > Pay particular attention to the section on SCSI support. I found that > some things I thought were unnecessary (like SCSI generic) actually > were necessary. > Unless this is different in 2.4.22, that shouldn't be a problem -- I went down that road a long time ago. > As far as kernel 2.4.22, I haven't found any real problem to get it > functioning. I used the Debian kernel-source package and everything > Just Works (tm), with the exception of the onboard nForce ethernet. > The nVidia AGPGART support is in the 2.4.22 kernel, as is the nForce2 > OSS drivers, so the only problem is ethernet, which still works. What > I did was make, and then instead of make install, I just copied nvnet.o > into /lib/modules//kernel/drivers/net/ and then ran a depmod -a > Interesting idea. I think I'll try that. Thank you, both of you. I shall keep y'all posted. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help - kernel 2.4.22 hangs
The box has an Asus A7N8X with an Athlon CPU, and runs Debian testing/unstable. There are 2 RT8139 NICs. I have a custom 2.4.22 kernel built to use iptables, an ide-cd burner, a couple of USB devices (I'm not sure what is relevant to the problem), and so on. The kernel boots to the point of installing the usb modules, and barfs on ehci -- modprobe segfaults twice, but it manages to set up the scanner. The next message on the screen is: Cleaning: /etc/network/ifstate at which point, it hangs. Nothing works except a power cycle. I have fiddled around with a numer of settings, including commenting out the "auto" entries in /etc/network/interfaces, to no avail. Does anyone have any ideas? I aked on debian-user ance already, and got no response. TIA Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: windows NT
* Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 01:15:46AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 01:04:53AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > > its appearance. I'd suggest applying Occam's razor: the simplest > > > > For those who don't know Occam's Razor, it's sometimes also called > > Bob's Motto (Bob being the name of all Tech Support reps). "Never > > attribute to malice what can be readily explained by stupidity." > > The canonical wording is "Entities should not be multiplied beyond > necessity", although as the originator, William of Occam / Ockham, was > a 12th century monk he probably used other words, maybe Latin ones. "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem", in fact. > It's often expressed as "pick the simplest explanation that fits the > facts". > Amen to that. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: windows NT
* Ef Reb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi, > > > > Will Debian run on Windows NT 4? I've an intel 233 processor. If so > which version. > Oh, my! It's not an application. Debian will replace your NT4 and make your 233 run better. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems booting 2.4.22 - hangs at "ifstate"
Custom kernel 2.4.22 seems to boot fine up to the point where it deals with the usb hotplug script, where there are a couple of segfaults, but it gets past that, and then hangs at: Cleaning: /etc/network/ifstate /etc/network/interfaces is set up to auto lo, eth0, & eth1. eth0 is static (lan) and eth1 is dynamic. Google does not seem to contain much, but there was a suggestion (with regard to an pcmcia with an earlier kernel) that removing the auto line would do the trick. I am reluctant to do this, since the documentation suggests that some startup scripts need this. For the record, the configuration of the kernel in question does not differ much (and with respect to networking, not at all) from the patched 2.4.20 currently in use. Suggestions, please? TIA Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS insisting on completing print job
* Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 12:00:23PM -0700, Deryk Barker wrote: > > I'm running woody with CUPs controlling an Epson C82. > > > > Problem: while configuring and testing a PDF converter in Open Office > > I accidentally sent a raw pdf file to the printer. 200+KB... > > > (Though it's odd that it survived a reboot... not that I've ever tried > that method of stopping it. Perhaps cupsd saves some state when you > shut it down and resumes when you restart it, in order to avoid > possibly losing print jobs???) > > Why you can't do this from within CUPS I don't know... > > (BTW my printers are "idle, accepting jobs" even when switched off > and/or physically disconnected...) > I usually kill all the processes, and then go into /var/spool/cups, and wipe out both the certificate and the spool file (it will be the one at the bottom of the list), having first shut off the printer. That usually seems to do it, though the last couple of times I also deleted the job through localhost:631/admin. Some of that is probably overkill, but it works. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with hdparm
In a root console, I ran hdparm with no flags, and got this: treehouse:/home/cam# hdparm /dev/hda /dev/hda: HDIO_GET_MULTCOUNT failed: Invalid argument HDIO_GET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument HDIO_GET_UNMASKINTR failed: Invalid argument HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Invalid argument HDIO_GET_KEEPSETTINGS failed: Invalid argument readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 8 (on) geometry = 19161/16/255, sectors = 78176880, start = 0 Why the "Invalid argument" responses? I can't find anything in the man page about this, and searching Google provides a number of hits, but they (at least the ones I have found) do not seem to address this. I'm running a patched 2.4.20 kernel if that's any help. Is there something I've missed in the kernel that is causing this? TIA Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: some reality about iptables, please
* Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: enough. What isn't it covering? How do I know?) > > Uh, by testing? It is far easier to set something up and test it than it > is to learn the whole freakin' system from scratch. From what I've seen of > your setup Shorewall would hand it trivially. Define 4 interfaces, define > policy for those interfaces, define rules for which you need exceptions to > policy. Done. > I beg to differ. When I installed shorewall, it gave some not-very-comprehensible options, and then did not give me what I wanted or needed. Nothing was going to get in, but it managed to prevent me from getting out, mis-assigned the interfaces, and was generally a PITA. I wiped it, and went back to adapting what I knew from ipchains. It wasn't easy at first to work directly from iptables, but once you wrap your head around the concepts, and have a look at scripts done by other people, it goes fairly well. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Un-KDE-ifying myself
* Marino Fernandez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Is there a way to get KMail to use Navigator as its browser when I click > > links in email? I've been manually copying the links to Navigator but > > sometimes I forget? > > > I have same problem, no idea how to solve it. > > > If KMail can't be changed then should I migrate to a different mail client? > > If so, what clients are KMail-like and uncoupled from KDE? > > > Ximian evolution... there is an article today in Slashdot about the upcomming > version. > > It would make more sense to get the latest version of Mozilla (1.4), and use that for both. Mind you, that means having some unstable libraries and applications on your machine. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: America's Army
* Bijan Soleymani ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >> They already have. Quake3, Unreal, etc. There are tons of non-free > > >> games available. > > > > > >Yes, but I'm saying, more of them. > > > > Specially, more variety. Why do they port mainly FPSs? Many people > > don't like FPS's that much, and would like to play *Crafts natively, > > or Vice City, or The > > There's a free warcraft game. Freecraft I think. It has it's own > artwork, but can use the warcraft 2 artwork. It's even a Debian > package I think. > Yes, on both counts. My kids play it regularly. The developers have apparently been shut down by a cease-and-desist order (late last week), so that's likely another dead end. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nvidia geforce 4 ti 4800 not working in debian
* Jamin W. Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 10:18:07PM -0500, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: > > Quoting Jamin W. Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Glad this has *never* been the case for me. You did report any > > > difficulties you had with any of the versions, right? > > > > No. I burned out on reporting problems to larger companies long ago, > > particularly hardware, unless I am participating in a alpha/beta > > test. I am just interested in getting something that works. > > If you didn't report the failure how are they to know there's a problem? > Do you honestly expect them to test their drivers and hardware with > every conceivable combination of motherboards and peripherals? > I second that. In the case of Nvidia, getting on one of their lists is the way to go, since the guys that are actually doing the work are on them as well. Response time is quite rapid. You can sign up on the website. Cheers Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with cups upgrade
I run a testing/unstable mix. Today cups was upgraded on both distributions, so I dutifully followed suit. Cupsd will not start now, withis error: Starting CUPSys: cupsdcupsd: Child exited with status 98! Going back to the previous version does not help, which makes me think the problem is in libcupsys2. Has anyone seen this, or is it just me? Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Error 202 in Razor
I have been having no end of problems trying to get razor working to the point where I could actually use it. I have 2.22 installed, in good Debian fashion, managed to create it, and now when I try to register it, I get: May 31 08:05:51.053525 admin[6787]: [ 6] a=reg®istrar=Razor-Agents\ %20v2.22&user=cam%40ellisonet.ca May 31 08:05:51.106568 admin[6787]: [ 4] 216.52.3.2 >> 9 May 31 08:05:51.106668 admin[6787]: [ 6] response to sent.5 err=202 May 31 08:05:51.106910 admin[6787]: [ 1] razor-admin error: Error 202\ while performing register, aborting. Error 202 while performing register, aborting. I had previously had razor up and running, but could never get it to work, so I purged it and started again. There is a firewall, and tcp ports 7 & 2703 are open (but not much else). I cannot find anything in Google, though I could be using the wrong criteria. TIA for any help Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast cam(at)ellisonet(dot)ca camellison(at)dccnet(dot)com cam(at)fleuryassociates(dot)com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] History of debian-user footer.
* John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Cam Ellison wrote: > > As I remind my clients frequently, when I refuse to recommend a > > candidate: half the population is below average. > > Do any of your clients ever remind you that the mean is not the median? Most of them probably understand the concept quite well (engineers, accountants, MBAs), but it doesn't seem to occur to them, interestingly enough. Mind you, with a sufficiently large sample, the values of the median and the mean are indistinguishable. This conversation is already way too serious. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] History of debian-user footer.
* ktb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > In light of the most recent iteration of the 'users can't unsubscribe' > discussion I thought I would do a bit of research. > > This debate and problem has been going on forever:) I find this > humorous on one level. On another I find it disturbing that as a > species we can send someone to the moon but we are too stupid to > unsubscribe from an email list, *after* we have subscribed. As I remind my clients frequently, when I refuse to recommend a candidate: half the population is below average. > Or is the > problem the instructions aren't clear enough or the listmaster isn't > responsive enough? > kent On the other hand, trying to pin it on the listmaster and make him (her?) feel guilty could be a good way to go. ;-^) Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why doesn't XF86Config-4 include defoma-managed TrueType fonts?
* Andy Hurt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Andy Hurt wrote: > > > >## my changes ## > > > >FontPath"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID/" > >FontPath"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/" > > > >### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION > >. . . > > Addendum: this did not work. > > I closed X11, then later did startx--found-out that I need to enclose the > FontPaths in another Files Section. This allowed me to get my DIsplay back > ;-/ > > ## my /most recent/ changes ## > > Section "Files" > FontPath"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID/" > FontPath"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/" > EndSection > > ### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION > . . . . Are you saying that you now have _two_ Files sections? Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
* Rob Weir ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 09:49:16AM +, wrote: > > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 5 21:33:23 2003 > > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i > > From: Pete Ashdown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Gah, you need to have a look at your mail system, your headers have been > munged and dumped into the body...unless it's a problem on my end... > It's happening here, too. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Howto auto unpack/read "README.Debian.gz" ?
* Joao Pedro Clemente ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > AS I've seen some of these files after installing some packages, as since > they are not unpacked by apt-get, I am wondering if there isn't a "smart" > way of reading this instead of unpacking first... > I use Midnight Commander for this (and a lot of other things). It automatically un-(b)zips on the fly. If you want to print or copy, that's another matter. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Downloading Debian -Latest Release
* jim tate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Using jigdo-bin-0.6.9 , what is the best and complete URL to use. > I have went to debian /CD site for URL's but nothing works. > There is a complete list in /usr/share/doc/jigdo. Take your pick. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] what are you running? (was Complaint)
* Hugh Saunders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 05:07:16PM -0600, Ray wrote: > > > (I'm sure there are more then a few Evolution and OE users on the list). > > > > what are people on the debian-user list using for there primary machine(s)? > > > > the last few messages i see are from users of (going by User-Agent or > > X-Mailer header) > > kmail > > mozilla on windows > > mozilla on debian > > xemacs > > mutt > mutt gets my vote :-) > Mine, too. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia kernel not autoloading
* Harvey Kelly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 14:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>>>> "Harvey" == Harvey Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ermm... how do I call update-module :) no, really, how do I do that? > update-modules Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motherboard with vid, sound, nic
* Steve Waterman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Looking for a good, stable all-in-one motherboard with a small form factor in > which all the components are supported. The board should have video, sound, > nic, modem, usb, etc. Hoping to build a small box with enough power to run > KDE3, multimedia, OpenOffice, et al, of course, with Debian as the > distribution. Any suggestions? > I have an ASUS A7N266 that provides everything and works just fine. You'll probably want the 333, which is faster. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Scanner Recommendations
* Ayman Haidar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if anybody could recommend a scanner to work with Linux. I > would like one that would be used in a small office with medium load (may be > 50-100 pages / day). Obviously I need one with an auto feeder. > I have an Epson Perfection 1650, and it runs beautifully. Too bad there isn't a decent OCR for it. There is no auto-feeder, as far as I know. Epson has the 1640SU, complete with document feeder, for US$449 (on the website), about three times the price of the 1660, which I take to be the replacement for the 1650. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
* Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> > Yeah, but we need something better than the shuttle to get there. > > Even without the two tragedies, there's still the problem that the > shuttle (or any rocket) uses vast amounts of energy to transport very > small masses; and the energy is all lost, there's no way of recovering > it on the way back down and you have the problem of trying to stop it > burning the spacecraft up as well. > > I like the idea (Arthur C Clarke, Iain M Banks and doubtless others) > of what you can do with a material with very high tensile strength: a > space elevator, "sloir than a rokit or whatevir but mutch moar > efishint". An orbiting mass somewhere outside the geostationary orbit > is anchored to the Earth with a cable. You can then use it as the top > end of an elevator mechanism, with counterweights of course. You can > use the Earth's rotational energy to slingshot spacecraft off the top > of it, and recover that energy when they return. > There was am item on Slashdot a while back (couple of months?) about a Japanese group who had figured out how to make carbon nanotubes, which is the first step toward Clark's space elevator. Very strong, very light, and flexible. Making them in quantity is another matter... Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 03:46:04PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > > I really don't see how that can be true (though where is that orbiting > > hotel, anyway?) > > Though replace the Howard Johnson's that sat across the space station > lobby from the Hilton with a Tim Hortons. 8;o) > > If you don't get the joke, you're not Canadian enough and you need to > try harder. > That's the next rrroll-up-the-rim contest prize -- a trip to the orbiting hotel. ;-) Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mt Rainier Support?
* Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 11:50:55AM +1030, David Purton wrote: > >> I just bought a swish new cd-writer which claims to have Mt Rainier > >> support. Does anyone know of some good docs to get this working under > >> linux? > > > > What's the non-buzzword name for this? Bout as much as I know about > > Mt. Rainier is that it's a volcano you can see from Portland on a > > "five mountain" or better (ie, clear enough with just enough heat > > distortion that you can see five or more mountain peaks when it should > > only be possible to see two from Portland vantage-points) day. > > On some days, you can see Mt. Rainier from Portland? Holy crap, that's > cool. I don't think we can ever see Mt. Hood from Seattle... > Actually, on a really clear day, you can see Mt. Rainier from Victoria. And then there were several days where I saw Mt. St. Helens over my head, and not much else, but that's another story... Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to KDE 3.1
* Alan Chandler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday 28 Jan 2003 7:39 pm, Jeetu Golani wrote: > > Hey ppl, > > > > I have KDE 3.0.4 running at the moment, had installed the debs of this. I > > wanna upgrade to KDE 3.1. I've read that an apt-get upgrade doesn't do the > > trick and causes problems. Would appreciate if someone here could tell me > > what's the right way to upgrade. > > > There are debs which work with a woody system. You just have to remove all of > the existing kde apts before installing the new ones. > I doubt an unofficial Debian version exists of the release, though there may be one from the last CVS. Wait a few days. I hope we don't have to go through the KDE2 to KDE3 installation process again. It was a royal PITA. Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sit (compressed files)
Alternatively, you can email me the file -- if you trust me with it :-) , and I'll unsit it on my Mac laptop, which is plugged into my system, and fire it back. The version of Stuffit I have is pretty much up to date. Cam * Haim Ashkenazi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi > > I don't know what's in the 'macutils' package but you need to open it > with 'stuffit expander' for linux. I remember having one for linux, so > if you won't find it on the web email me and I'll search for it on my > cd's. > -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't start X with Nvidia
* Sridhar M.A. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I just got a new motherboard and cpu: asus a7n266-vm with amd xp 1800. I > currently having about 128MiB of DDRAM. In the bios I have set the agp > ram to 32MiB. The machine is currently running sarge. > > I have the same board, and ran into problems with it. If you want, you could run startx with a verbose setting, and send me the output backchannel. One thing I am aware of is that you should _not_ have agpgart compiled into the kernel. You need also to be certain that you have the right driver. If you have libglx.a in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions, you need to move it or rename it -- there should be a file named libglx.so in that directory. Cheers Cam -- Cam Ellison Ph.D. R.Psych. From Roberts Creek on B.C.'s incomparable Sunshine Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
