Re: Python
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Johann Spies jsp...@sun.ac.za wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:24:17PM +0200, cletusjenkins wrote: Hello, I am interested to learn how to program in Python. What debian packages would I need to start coding some basic cgi in apache? Thanks. In addition to what others have said, if you want to do web development using Python, do yourself a favour and look at http://killer-web-development.com and http://www.web2py.com. Python is a great language, but keep in mind, if you learn py2, that doesn't mean you'll instantly know py3, for example; print hello world in py2 is valid, but not in py3 where it is print(hello world) In python2 print is a statement, and in python3 it's a function. If you are looking for a book to buy as well, you can start with O'Reilly's Learning Python (3e/2007), which covers Python 2.5, this will give you enough to function adequitly in Python2.7 o you can just skip to the 4th edition (4e) which covers Python2.6 and Python3.x. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: sbin
This was intended for the list but accidentally got sent to only lina. -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net Date: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 12:01 PM Subject: Re: sbin To: lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 11:42 AM, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is it safe to add /sbin into PATH? Why the default path not include /sbin, Thanks with best regards, Typically /bin is reserved for binaries executable by everyone on the system, whereas /sbin is *typically* reserved for binaries that are executable by root only, most of these would typically have the SETUID bit set for root as well, to further prevent non-root users from running them. The same logic would extend to /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, and where the BSD's are concerned, /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/sbin /bin /sbin These two paths are set up and almost always linked to / (that being they reside on the same partition/slice as the root partition,) so then in the event the system cannot mount anything but /, you will have a partially working environment that would contain statically built binaries, allowing you to fix what ever broke and move on. /usr/bin /usr/sbin These two paths are /typically/ used for normal system operation of system-related binaries. /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin Some Linux distro's utilize this, but it's the primary install location for BSD related OS's such as FreeBSD, NetBSD and/or OpenBSD (just to name a few). Any user-installed packages, either from binary or source, would get installed to this location, the idea being that the base system doesn't get cluttered and/or tainted by user-installed packages. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: Linux based forum software
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:00 PM, T o n g mlist4sunt...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Do you know any Linux based forum software that is good? The word forum is the worst to search, I've managed to find http://www.simplemachines.org/, but was wondering of your opinion on it and what else are good. SimpleMachines is more of a CMS+Forum rolled into one, IIRC, they bundle phpBB with it ... as for it's security, I have no idea. You can also use phpbb by itself, w/o the CMS bundle of SimpleMachines. there is also vBulitain which is not free (and not cheap either.) I'm unaware of any other alternatives that offer this rather traditional layout... -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
OT: C|Net's Download.com adware, spyware, malware hijinkx.
Sorry for the cross post I hadn't seen any chatter about this on the lists. It would seem that Download.com got caught with their pants down and were re-wrapping F/OSS with their own installer and bundling adware, spyware and malware with it. NMap's author, over at insecure.org got pretty hot about it and has collected considerable information on the topic since he learned about it on Monday. http://insecure.org/news/download-com-fiasco.html http://seclists.org/nmap-hackers/2011/5 http://seclists.org/nmap-hackers/2011/6 Again, sorry for the cross post, but I know how I would feel if this were done to me (I'd be pretty pissed!) So flame me later for cross-posting and if your a software developer who also makes software for Windows users, then go and check your stuff if it's listed on download.com. So far, paint.net's software, VLC, NMap and emergeDesktop were affected. Being a part of emergeDesktop's community, I know the author their has instructed the community to not download his software from download.com, I'm not sure what steps have been taken for paint.net and VLC though. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: [OT] where should I look for google sync information ?
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2011-12-05, Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 08:49:30PM +0530, J. Bakshi wrote: Dear list, I have activated google sync operation in my android phone to sync contact. How can I verify/see those info at my google account ? ---end quoted text--- Maybe it's visible on your Google profile. AFAIK it can be managed from there. Don't use my phone with it but that's how the Google-Chrome Sync works. Well, they say (Google) that when you sync your contacts, you sync your contacts, and the only logical proof that syncing has indeed occurred would and could only be found in your contacts (gmail contacts, for instance, and, of course, the contacts on your phone, because it's a two-way street, I do believe, otherwise the word sync would be a misnomer). Now what this has to do with a Google profile defies my imagination, but perhaps it's my comprehension that's faulty. If you log into your GMail acct, go to your contacts and look for a group called Starred on Android, this is the group that gets sync'd to your device and back to GMail. All of your contacts on your phone will get put into this group, GMail will also attempt to guess what contacts you use the most and star them for you as well. I have to go back into that group and un-star quite a few contacts because GMail has needlessly starred them for no good/logical reason. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: [Pkg-fglrx-devel] Bug#650699: Fwd: fglrx-driver
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote: Sincerely looking for advice about following error: more Xorg.0.log | grep WW (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [ 16136.164] (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist. This one can be safely ignored, unless you are looking for a Russian font set. [ 16136.195] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx [ 16136.200] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:675F:: in control file [ 16136.200] (WW) Unsupported ASIC ID 1002:675F:: in control file [ 16136.200] (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@1:0:1) found [ 16137.250] (WW) fglrx(0): board is an unknown third party board, chipset is supported What Brand and model video card is this? What version of the propriatary driver? Does X actually load? can you paste this grep instead? cat /var/log/Xorg.log.0 | grep -e (WW) -e (EE) This will grep for all errors *AND* warnings. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: Booting into DOS [SOLVED]
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Ethan Rosenberg eth...@earthlink.net wrote:
At 04:19 AM 12/2/2011, Brian wrote:
On Thu 01 Dec 2011 at 23:32:42 -0500, Ethan Rosenberg wrote:
I'm obviously doing something incorrect, since I cannot get a DOS boot.
I'm sure I misunderstood you. What are all the files that should be
edited, and what should they contain?
There is only one file to edit - /etc/grub.d/40_custom. I think Tom H is
suggesting you have
menuentry DOS (loader) (on /dev/sda1) {
insmod part_msdos
insmod fat
set root='(hd0,1)'
chainloader +1
}
You can check DOS is on /dev/sda1 using 'cfdisk /dev/sda'.
file -s /dev/sda (as root) will also show you what the partition/drive is,
but that's trivial, as long as it works for you.
--
Chris Brennan
A: Yes.
Q: Are you sure?
A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/
GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: Password Management ?
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote: LastPass is online and KeePass is offline. Honestly, I would trust KeePass over LastPass. shrug I don't understand your response here? Is there a point to your shrugging at the difference between LastPass and KeePass? Not true; One has the ability to export their data at any time, now. Actually it is true, because the terms of their service can change at any time. And without notice, which is their right to do so, as long as they are a business, incorporated in the United States. Just because you can export your data from them for free now, doesn't mean you can't in the future. Anything can change at anytime including an OSS project. True, but as long as I have a currently free copy of that OSS Project, then it remains free if I don't upgrade to the newer (and conceivably changed) paid-for product. Stephen, my goal here was not to split hairs with you but to illustrate the differences between LastPass and KeePass at a cursory level for the OP, who expressed not understanding the difference between the two. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: Password Management ?
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Olivier BATARD obat...@gmail.com wrote: Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 26 nov. 2011 à 18:43, Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com a écrit : On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 04:21:52PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Olivier BATARD wrote: I'm just interested on how, after googling for a long time, on a debian, can we manage users's passwords. I mean how can we manage a password database on a web php site for example ? How do you manage your user's passwords database ? You have asked a very confusing question. It will ask different questions to different people. Agreed. Ok my question is about how to manage user's password I mean how to store user's password and let them access like keepass but web ? You asked specifically about a php web site. Every php web site that has user logins that I have ever worked with has always had its own unique password database with its own unique fields. This means that each php web site needs to manage its own passwords through the provided php web interface. Or you could access the database directly such as through the command line or through phpmyadmin. Perhaps the OP means something like Keepass or LastPass which manages user passwords in a web browser environment? Exactly. I use LastPass which works fine on GNU/Linux and Google-Chrome and/or Chromium. Anyone knows an offline tool like lastpass ? LastPass is online and KeePass is offline. Honestly, I would trust KeePass over LastPass. KeePass is opensource, freely available for multiple OS's and is actively maintained. LastPass is a commercial business, they offer a free and premium service, just remember that if they go all premium, you might have to pay to get your data back from them.[1] I'm a bit paranoid, but I go to great lengths to secure my KeePass DB. I have an sD card with a TrueCrypt volume on it, inside that lives KeePass in portable mode, with it's database. Which is also encrypted. [1] The reason I point this out is when they bought XMarks recently, they entertained the idea among the XMarks users about a premium only service, I know the friends that I have gotten to use XMarks and I voted no. XMarks essentially remained the same, but that can change at any time. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: Password Management ?
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 04:21:52PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: Olivier BATARD wrote: I'm just interested on how, after googling for a long time, on a debian, can we manage users's passwords. I mean how can we manage a password database on a web php site for example ? How do you manage your user's passwords database ? You have asked a very confusing question. It will ask different questions to different people. Agreed. You asked specifically about a php web site. Every php web site that has user logins that I have ever worked with has always had its own unique password database with its own unique fields. This means that each php web site needs to manage its own passwords through the provided php web interface. Or you could access the database directly such as through the command line or through phpmyadmin. Perhaps the OP means something like Keepass or LastPass which manages user passwords in a web browser environment? KeePass isn't browser based, it's an encrypted database manager for account information. While I don't use this feature of KeePass, it can also fill in browser fields for you. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: Password Management ?
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Olivier BATARD obat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm just interested on how, after googling for a long time, on a debian, can we manage users's passwords. I mean how can we manage a password database on a web php site for example ? How do you manage your user's passwords database ? I've tried clipperz, but the product is under development and not safe. Phppassmanager seems great but no update since 2006. Is there a tool, web or else, to manage database passwords in debian ? I use KeePass, it's an offline database program to manage passwords, it's under active development and I've never had any real problems with it. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Bind9 (9.7.4)
Greetings! I was discussing a bind issue that I am experiencing w/ an acquaintance on IRC this afternoon and he informed me that bind was updated to cover a latent bug in the DNS message processing code that could allow certain UPDATE requests to crash named. I'm currently running Bind 9.7.3, which as far as I can tell is the latest available on the stable squeeze repos. I am curious why 9.7.4 hasn't been pushed out? The only reason I am concerned is because I am actually being affected by this bug. Bind actually dies, hundreds of times a day and it's really annoying. I am going to set up a new copy of bind from source to cover this bug, but I would like to know why the new version hasn't been rolled out? It has been months since it's initial release. Change #2912 (see CHANGES) exposed a latent bug in the DNS message processing code that could allow certain UPDATE requests to crash named. [RT #24777] [CVE-2011-2464] BIND 9.7.4 Released on 01 Aug 2011 -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: Bind9 (9.7.4)
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Pascal Hambourg pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org wrote: Hello, Chris Brennan a écrit : I was discussing a bind issue that I am experiencing w/ an acquaintance on IRC this afternoon and he informed me that bind was updated to cover a latent bug in the DNS message processing code that could allow certain UPDATE requests to crash named. I'm currently running Bind 9.7.3, which as far as I can tell is the latest available on the stable squeeze repos. AFAICS, this vulnerability has been fixed in Debian Squeeze, see http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2272 OK, So my copy of bind is correctly up to date. That doesn't explain then why I am getting random deaths of bind, multiple times a day. It doesn't log anything, which is the odd part, and it fails to restart without human intervention (cron isn't catching it for some reason, but that's not the bigger problem.) -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: p7zip buggy?
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:
Hello community,
it would be nice, if someone might confirm or deny the following error.
-
7z a -v300m -mx=9 -p{mylamepassword} testfile.7z testfile.iso
7-Zip [64] 9.20 Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov 2010-11-18
p7zip Version 9.20 (locale=de_DE@euro,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,2 CPUs)
System error:
E_NOTIMPL
--
I want to pack and split an ISO with a password. The sourcefile is about
580MB.
Compressing into one file is working, but splitting into two 300MB files
gives ,
an error. Some people wrote about the same problem in Ubuntu, when they
want
to DEcopmpress a file, but I want to compress and split.
Before I send a bugreport, it would be nice, if someone could confirm
this. I
am running debian/wheezy on an amd64 machine.
Try splitting into two archives of size 290MB 300*2=600 which =!
580MB,
that might be where your problem is coming up. p7zip might not be handeling
the simple math correctly.
-- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it
reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting
frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ |
http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD
9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: p7zip buggy?
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 15:16:51 +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
it would be nice, if someone might confirm or deny the following error.
-
7z a -v300m -mx=9 -p{mylamepassword} testfile.7z testfile.iso
7-Zip [64] 9.20 Copyright (c) 1999-2010 Igor Pavlov 2010-11-18 p7zip
Version 9.20 (locale=de_DE@euro,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,2 CPUs)
System error:
E_NOTIMPL
--
(...)
I just have tried and works fine here (wheezy).
***
7z a -v3m -mx=9 -p{test} archive.7z file.tar
***
file.tar is ~4.1 MiB and the above command creates two volumes (2
files) of 3 MiB and 848.2 KiB of size respectively, which I think is
correct :-?
Camaleon,
What version of p7zip is in wheezy? Are you possibly using a different
version
then what is provided in the wheezy repo?
--
Chris Brennan
A: Yes.
Q: Are you sure?
A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/
GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: p7zip buggy?
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote: Hi Chris, I tried again, but got no success. My version besides is 9.20. Maybe it is not a bug, just on my system? I will watch it the coming time. Yeah, I saw that in your original e-mail, also of note is your using the 64-bit version, as noted by the [64] in square brackets. I would like to see which version Camaleon is using to compare, it very well might be a bug in the arch's and not the version. So it's good to make note of the version and arch. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: a quick question: how to add comments for several lines at the same time
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:52 PM, John L. Cunningham djoh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:31:00AM +0800, lina wrote: Hi, When I use vim (how can I add comments for several lines at the same time, not one by one) add # I set a mark a at the first row that I want to comment, then move the cursor to the last row I want commented and type: :'a,.s/^/# /g You can do something similar in visual mode as well, I don't remember exactly how though. -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: help
On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, neo haux neo.h...@gmx.com wrote: Blank emails don't go far. How about you start off by giving us an idea of what it is you want help with. If it's hardware related, a basic profile of your system would be in order as well. -- -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANLX3ygpqMUOzG9w4xmZ8oPsj5QAAg+_hCUGXWC0XSt=fzn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: apt-build issues
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 23:59:13 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: So I decided to try and play with apt-build and I got the following which I can't seem to solve or figure out how to solve lol (...) I don't know how apt-build works nor does, but let me make some observations about the log... W: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry contrib/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) If I read D-M instructions coreectly, contrib does not seem to be a valid option (just main and non-free) so I would check this. W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/Release Unable to find expected entry iceweasel-4.0/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) For this one I dunno what could be the offending part. Anyway, I would recheck your /etc/apt/sources.list just in case. Greetings, -- Camaleón Camaleon, Thanks for your reply, your clues have put me on the right track, I've quashed the errors I reported and am now just trying to figure out how to use a-b. :) -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
apt-build issues
[2,513 B] Get:6 http://dl.google.com stable Release [1,347 B] Get:7 http://dl.google.com stable/non-free amd64 Packages [1,025 B] Get:8 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [1,104 B] Get:9 http://dl.google.com testing/non-free amd64 Packages [786 B] Get:10 http://dl.google.com stable/main amd64 Packages [1,180 B] Fetched 11.1 kB in 1s (9,471 B/s) W: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry contrib/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/Release Unable to find expected entry iceweasel-4.0/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. root@Blackdragon:~# Any idea's cause I'm stumped! -- Chris Brennan A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C)
Re: OT - Frequency of unsolicited emails
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Heddle Weaver weaver2wo...@gmail.comwrote:
On 12 September 2011 05:19, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
On 09/11/2011 11:23 AM, Camaleón wrote:
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 07:58:30 -0700, MR ZenWiz wrote:
I've noticed since joining this list a number of weeks back that it is
the only technical/OS discussion list to which I subscribe that
frequently, as in one or more daily, ends up with emails in my spam
list.
Yup, the more mailing lists you subscribe, the more chances to get your
inbox full of spam :-)
Are we somehow more susceptible or less secure from spam than other
lists, like Ubuntu users, CentOS users, GNOME users, etc. and if so,
can't something be done about it?
I'd say we are the same as in any other open mailing list. Or even we are
less susceptible because Debian mailing lists lack for an archive (plain
text based mbox file).
It's a minor annoyance, but really, on an OS discussion list?
Just saying
I use a dedicated e-mail for posting in mailing lists so I keep my main
inbox off of spam messages. True is that Gmail handles this reasonably
well.
Greetings,
I agree with the OP. I subscribe to at least 5 lists, and the Debian
list
is the only one that consistently has all kinds of spam, not only in
English,
but in various foreign languages, some of them in strange scripts! Many
of
these appear to come from some travel agency, altho I have to guess, not
being
fluent in Hungarian, etc. But I think the situation has improved somewhat
over
the past 6 months or so.
And I'm afraid I agree with Cam.
This list is administered efficiently and *some* spam gets through
occasionally.
Considering the volume of the list, it amazes me how little gets through.
Something to consider - about half the OS distros out there are based on
Debian and half their list members are on the Debian list also. It's a BIG
list.
1 or 2 spam messages a day on Debian-User is something it would take a
miracle to rectify and, as has been noted, only a minor annoyance. Very
minor.
Configure your own spam filters as well, and the occurrence is less than
trivial.
Regards,
Weaver.
I'm in the boat with Camaleon and Weaver, I'm on a dozen or more mailing
lists, all open-source related and I get maybe 5 e-mail messages a *month*
freebsd-{ports,chat,current,gnome,questions,security}
debian-users
gentoo-users
are the most active lists I am on, then a handful of independent projects
have me on their mailing lists too, most with moderate traffic on it. It
could be that you specifically have been targeted or possibly your ISP,
based on an IP Block...
--
Chris Brennan
A: Yes.
Q: Are you sure?
A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Re: Curlftpfs replacement?
On 9/8/2011 11:06 PM, Robert Blair Mason Jr. wrote: Hi list, I've googled some, but can't seem to find any active project providing FTP mounts. Currently I've installed curlftpfs, but cf wikipedia the project appears to be abandoned. Is there a new version or project that is still being developed upstream that anyone here knows about? Thanks, -- rbmj Couldn't FUSE do this? Just a thought to jump-start someone elses motor a bit ... If you can mount sshfs I would imagine an 'ftpfs' module may exist within the FUSE project, give that a try or shoot them a line and see if they might have some better idea's just remember that ftp is plain-text and as such, insecure... If your security-conscience then sshfs or sftp/scp might be a wiser choice (just remember that you loose speed for encryption, so it's a comprimise!) -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: installing root-kit checkers
On 9/9/2011 6:45 PM, Lisi wrote: We seem to be being told that nowadays we should run a root-kit checker. The kernel exploit would indeed seem to suggest it. I have tried rkhunter and found that I couldn't make head or tail of it. I then read that, for a root-kit checker to work properly, you should install it on a fresh install before said installation goes on the Internet. All well and good, but I almost always install Debian of some version or other, and when I do so, I always install over the net. So how do I run a check before going on the Internet??? I can hardly install a package of any sort before I have installed at least the basics of the distro! (Yes, I know that there are those on this list who say that a root-kit checker is useless anyway, and root-kits are obviously difficult to spot - the kernel is guarded by people far more capable than I.) Lisi Lisi, Generally speaking, you might want to start with a fresh install, say in a VM (VirtualBox is good for this). Then install chkrootkit, rkhunter and/or tiger, all of which are sufficient root-kit checkers. Then you can work from there, but the concept is that root-kit tools should be the first tool installed and keep good, *known clean* sources handy to copy to knew machines as the first thing they do after being installed. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: In Need of Advice
On 9/5/2011 12:54 PM, RiverWind wrote: Hey There, I have two computers, a DOS and a Linux box. Now then, I am wanting to access my Linux box via my DOS box. I would ultimately like to use my Linux box as my sole ISP. I do not believe that using my modem in order to dial up my Linux machine would work, but I also know that there is such a thing as a NUL modem cable??? This is a Female-Female DB9 Serial port cable, the savy make their own, I prefer to just buy them for a few bucks (I use 3-4 of them currently to interconnect 5 devices, including my Netgate Firewall, in-case-of LAN failure for some reason. The linux box is assumed as Debian? What type of Dos box is this? MSDOS? FreeDOS? FreeDOS may be a better route or if you are only using this box for a small subset of tools, try DOSBOX, a *nix dos emulator. How would you good gentles go about putting such a plan as mine into action? In other words, how would you go about accessing a Linux machine with a DOS system? Is there any special software? Would I have to use a USB port? If I am not mistaken, DOS doesn't work with USB ports??? Even more desirable would be the ability to use the terminal emulator Commo as my means of establishing contact between the respective systems. Just plug the cable in, make sure the DOS BIOS has the COM/DB9 port enabled, note the irq/memory range. Then just tell Commo to use that port to communicate. As for setting it up on your linux box, this link[1] should help you. Be sure to adapt it for your OS, so variations may need to be applied. I would appreciate any and all advice I can get regarding this matter, so that I won't need to pay for an ISP when I already have one. Thanks so much in advance. What your aiming for here is 'Serial Console Access' and that would be some of the keywords you would use to apply your GoogleFu. Obviously, this is general, apply necessary keywords to supplement your search for refinement. Feel free to visit my website and my blog and learn more about me and what I stand for. My Website @ http://riverwind.shellworld.net My Blog http://windraven13.livejournal.com/ hth -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Holiday Project for my job
On 9/3/2011 11:35 AM, ZephyrQ wrote: I am trying to set up several Linux desktops for a secure (locked) facility for troubled teenagers. I brought one home to set up (so I can have unfettered internet access) but then I need to be able to 'clone' it to others without internet access (so package retrieval is impossible unless I bring home every single desktop; and we are talking about up to 50). So I need advice on the following: 1. Which distro to use? I've used Mint before in a similar setting (and was pleased) but I'm now stuck with 6 year old Dells with almost no video acceleration and .5 G memory each. I'm thinking XFCE with Mint or Xbuntu, but am open to others (even a stock debian install which I use on my home machine) but I will not be able to update unless I do so manually (which a CD or thumbdrive). 2. How do I 'clone' the machine to a CD or, preferably, a thumb drive so I can install the same configuration to all machines (limiting menu options, put in educational games, add openoffice or libreoffice, etc.)? Thank you for your time. Clonezilla[1] should allow you to image one computer and clone it to the others. It has both a Debian-based and Ubuntu-based images. As the website states, the Ubuntu version is more up to date, but I still prefer using the Debian version, I'd prefer stability over bleeding edge when it comes to a cloning process. The only reason I would choose the Ubuntu version is if it had a specific feature I needed. [1]http://www.clonezilla.org -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Re: unsuscribe
On 9/1/2011 10:51 AM, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 01 September 2011 15:25:56 Camaleón wrote: My guess is that non-subscribers users (like me) do receive the footer appended at their messages but subscribed users do not. But this is not a scientific statement, just a wild theory I concluded by observing the messages that reach the list. Sorry to kybosh your theory, Camaleón, but I am subscribed and I usually (I would have said always, but I just checked) get the footers. :-) Lisi Every e-mail I've gotten so far, has had the foot on it... So I think it's safe to say, always does apply in my case. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Is seagate goflex compatible with debian
On 8/28/2011 3:05 AM, Lisi wrote: On Sunday 28 August 2011 05:28:40 lina wrote: If you want, I can grab her external after Hurricane Irene is done leaving her mark on NYC and get you dmesg logs from Squeeze and my laptop, running testing. have a nice weekend, Erm... How does anyone have a nice weekend watching her/his home be blown to bits or damaged, badly flooded etc. and possibly most of his/her possessions being destroyed?! Lisi Haha no worries Lisi, this weekend is shot to hell. 0330, NYC-Time, off to bed now... (the worst is coming in now) -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Most Perplexing
On 8/28/2011 6:43 PM, RiverWind wrote: Hey There, Well folks, in order to run the conversion suggested by Bob, I did the following. I first saved the script he outlined and called it cb.sh. I then tried to make the file executable with chmod +x cb.sh. I then ran the file with ./cb.sh. I got the following response. Quote On [workshop] $ ./cb.sh '/cb.sh: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `do '/cb.sh: line 1: ` for chapternum in $(seq 1 45); do [workshop] $ Quote Off I am sure that I have done something wrong, but I can't figure for the life of me just what it was. cheerio, Riv The script reads as follows. for chapternum in $(seq 1 45); do wget http://www.dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_$chapternum.html done Feel free to visit my website and my blog and learn more about me and what I stand for. My Website @ http://riverwind.shellworld.net My Blog http://windraven13.livejournal.com/ Put this on line one of your little script #!/usr/bin/env sh save it and rerun it. This will tell the script what shell to use to execute the commands. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: securing the system, stopping unnecessary services and closing open ports.
On 8/27/2011 11:38 AM, Brad Alexander wrote: Ports 139, 445 and 901 are samba running. Port 631 is cups, your printer driver. 111 and 2049 are for NFS. If you don't need them, you should be able to turn them off...If you do need it, then you should be able to firewall it, using iptables to limit access to the hosts or subnets you need. On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:05 AM, yudi v yudi@gmail.com mailto:yudi@gmail.com wrote: Nmap suggests the following ports are open: 25/tcp open smtp 111/tcp open rpcbind 139/tcp open netbios-ssn 445/tcp open microsoft-ds 631/tcp open ipp 901/tcp open samba-swat 2049/tcp open nfs I run a desktop email client that uses smtp apart from that I do not know why rest of the above services are open. it even had SSH listening on 22, changed the port # and also changed PermitRootLogin to no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config after looking at the following output: also installed gufw and set it to deny as default. root@computer:/home/user# grep -ir Failed password /var/log/* /var/log/auth.log.1:Aug 14 13:50:37 computer sshd[3553]: Failed password for root from 60.242.242.121 port 56631 ssh2 /var/log/auth.log.1:Aug 15 22:13:10 computer sshd[5129]: Failed password for invalid user admin from 190.24.225.223 port 22792 ssh2 root@computer:/home/user# grep -ir BREAK-IN /var/log/* /var/log/auth.log.1:Aug 15 22:13:08 computer sshd[5129]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for corporat190-24225223.sta.etb.net.co http://corporat190-24225223.sta.etb.net.co [190.24.225.223] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! how can I find out if this system has been compromised? If you are looking for ssh attempts, you shoud peruse /var/log/auth.log and look for unusual logins. The ones like you mention above are failed. You could run fail2ban or another one that watches your ssh port and in the event of too many failed attempts, can block the IP through iptables. Be careful, because if someone spoofs the address, then you could block some site that you need to access. Another idea would be to run a Host-based Intrusion Detection System (HIDS). Tripwire is a classic example, as it does md5sums of critical files and you run it against your machine looking for changes. However, I have come to prefer OSSEC (http://ossec.net), which does md5summing in the background: OSSEC HIDS Notification. 2011 Aug 25 07:25:59 Received From: (013hornet) 192.168.224.13-syscheck Rule: 550 fired (level 7) - Integrity checksum changed. Portion of the log(s): Integrity checksum changed for: '/etc/sudoers' Size changed from '552' to '692' Old md5sum was: 'fc78e5599202f204e48df73a15e81533' New md5sum is : '377364efbaefe7138d3fe4081d98b592' Old sha1sum was: '9053767a81a35ded809dd7269d984589a8f09d13' New sha1sum is : '6bcc831d9407626328 callto:9407626328651b68dc73763472b11374' but also watches your logs for events: OSSEC HIDS Notification. 2011 Aug 25 06:43:57 Received From: (056worf) 192.168.224.56-/var/log/auth.log Rule: 40101 fired (level 12) - System user successfully logged to the system. Portion of the log(s): Aug 25 06:43:56 worf su[9338]: + ??? root:nobody Having said all of that, if you suspect your machine was compromised (the failed logins messages in the logs only indicate that you had some failed attempts), nuke it and rebuild. After you rebuild, set up iptables, ossec, run nmap or nessus on it and put it back in service. Regards, --b what are the steps I need to take to secure it? -- Kind regards, Yudi If you need to actively scan for a rootkit, you can check out rkhunter , ckrootkit or sleuthkit, just to name a few. If you want to get creative with tools, my gentoo box has this in app-forensic: afflib air chkrootkit examiner galleta lynis magicrescue metadata.xml ovaldi rdd rkhunter sleuthkit zzuf aideautopsy cmospwd foremost libewf mac-robber memdump openscap pasco rifiuti scalpel yasat You can try some of these if you want, but I've only used the three I initially mentioned. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Is seagate goflex compatible with debian
On 8/27/2011 8:20 AM, lina wrote: Hi, Today I checked this one on store, http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/external/external-hard-drive/portable-hard-drive the 1TB USB3.0 one, whose outside box showed the system requirements is: Windows Mac® OS X operating system 10.4.11 or higher; 10.5.8 or 10.6.2 (32-bit kernel only) My questions is that: is it compatible with mine OS: x86_64 GNU/Linux ? How about 64-bit kernel Mac OS X? (The lady there make me moved, she stopped me buying it, cause she can't guarantee me it will work, and it's not refundable, she suggested me to wait for working day, so she can call someone and let me know the result.) Before the hard drive I used, I did not examine much, just feel it can be plugged in windows, also Linux, no problems at all. Thanks for any advice, Lina, I see my advice for Seagate was effective for you, glad to see it so. In general though, I don't buy the preassembled externals. I prefer to shop around for an enclosure on my choosing first, one I know will work with what ever systems I am going to use it on, then I go and find an appropriate hard-drive. For example, I just bought this for my girlfriend http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0341014 And four of these: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0355641 The encloser is running in raid1 (so roughly 698G), her laptop (A Pre-Dell Alienware M17x) is running in raid0 (~1.3TB). That external does require it's own power and the cord isn't very long. On the bright side though, It received some abuse from me the first week we had it. While preforming backup's of her laptop, I and my cat both knocked the external off the desk, it slammed to the floor, I picked it up and it was perfectly fine, granted it only fell 3 feet but I plugged it into my Squeeze box as well as my FreeBSD box and scanned the array, no errors (and it was still coping data when it fell!). Like I had said previously, I am using these very same drives elseware (my laptop, the squeeze box as well as the freebsd box) /dev/md0 233G 4.2M 233G 1% /mnt (xfs) This is her two old laptop drives (Seagate 2.5, 16MB cache, 250GB, 7200RPM), they are running in a raid1 softraid array in Leviathan (Squeeze). I swapped them out because the Intel fakeraid in the Alienware died. So instead of just rebuilding a 500GB raid0 array, I upgraded her to 2x750GB drives at ~1.3TB. tank 559G 25K 559G 0% /tank (zfs) This is 2x750GB, 16MB Cache, 7200RPM drives running in a raid1 array as my primary data storage device. They are attached to a HPT RocketRaid 1720 Card (2xSATAII), hardware raid. The OS is FreeBSD 8.2. I realize this is more information then you are asking for, and I apologize for that. I just wanted to illustarte how well these drives function and to show you that the external I pointed out will work in Squeeze at the very least. If you want, I can grab her external after Hurricane Irene is done leaving her mark on NYC and get you dmesg logs from Squeeze and my laptop, running testing. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 2TB file system
in use all the way up to 4x1TB drives in my desktop. never had any serious problems with any of them. On the rare chance that I did, Seagate was quick to get me a new drive ASAP. P.S. I have never heard of GoFlex for a hard-drive manufacturer ... toddles off to google ... ahh I see, GoFlex is Seagates line of external drives (I don't use them so I had no idea...) -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] 2TB file system
On 8/17/2011 10:48 AM, Mihira Fernando wrote: On 08/17/2011 07:55 PM, Pete Orrall wrote: How interesting. I hear many people have had problems with Hitachi drives, hence the nickname Hitachi DeathStar but myself...I've had no problems using their drives of any capacity from sizes smaller than 80GB all the way to 1TB. Probably cause you've joined the dark side ? :P We have cookies. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 2TB file system
On 8/17/2011 11:41 AM, lina wrote: Yeah. Here I meant external hard drive. (Actually I have no idea about what's kind of driver I used in desktop or laptop). The external drives mainly plan to store some data which won't be visited often, kind of back up. 500 GB + 500 GB is much more safer (for data storage) than all in one 1TB drive? Okay, one thing I won't consider the HITACHI, so mainly seageat. Thanks again, My laptop has a Seagate 750GB, 7200RPM Drive in it. My girlfriends laptop runs 2x750's in a RAID0 array. Her external backup is a RAID1 array of 2x750GB drives (all 2.5in, 7200RPM) My Desktop is running 4x1TB drives in a RAID10 array. My in-house servers are a hodepodge of Seagates and MDT (refurb company) drives. Those hodpodge collections are running in either LVM's or ZFS array's. Ohh and the GF's *old* 250GB drives from her laptop are 7200RPM 2.5in seagates as well, they are currently being stress tested in a RAID1 array in my Debian system. I've got 2x750GB, 7200RPM, 2.5in drives in another RAID1 ZFS array in my FreeBSD box, minus a loose cable, the drives work flawlessly. P.S. Lately, I've been able to get the 750GB, 7200RPM 2-.5in drives very cheap. 11 drives over the last 6-8mo for approximately $80-$100USD+Shipping. So yea, I personally, would highly recommend Seagate's, either internal or external. Best value for what ever your buck is. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 2TB file system
On 8/17/2011 12:02 PM, lina wrote: How do I check hard drive information of the desktop? Thanks, Usually the drives label will reveal all. Size, Spindle-Speed, Cache if present (all the 750's and 1TB drives I bought have a 16MB cache on them). YMMV though depending on what it came with. The one thing to keep in mind is laptops, all the hard-drives are accessible but in different ways, my HP and my gf's AlienWare laptops are very easy to get to, my old Dell Latitude required me to jump though many hoops and a torx screw driver ultimately fixed my problem there. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 2TB file system
On 8/17/2011 12:29 PM, lina wrote: is it normal to show something as below? something wrong with my hard drive? [122997.499667] ata2.00: SATA link down (SStatus 4 SControl 0) [122997.499681] ata2.01: SATA link down (SStatus 4 SControl 0) [125780.338889] ata_piix :00:1f.2: PCI INT B disabled ... [125783.955600] ata2.00: failed to resume link (SControl 0) ... [131722.261129] applesmc: TB1T: read data fail [133377.721214] applesmc: TCGC: read data fail ... [134042.839675] ata_piix :00:1f.2: PCI INT B disabled actually during the start of the computer, it showed me something like failed to resume link, but I have no idea about it. Thanks again, Nope, not normal, without more details about your system, I don't know the context of link down. A stab in the dark, Your kernel is trying to query all of your SATA ports and not finding drives attached to every port. It could also mean that one or more SATA ports or attached drives may be faulty. I would check cables and such first. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On 8/10/2011 1:51 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: You make some valid, neutral points here, and I have no argument up to this point. 4. FreeBSD (and I thought long of it), just lost, as packages and updates must be compiled on the system itself. That was no problem for me, but things hnad to go fast, and I was the only one, who was able to compile things. The other mebers of my team were Microsoft-Mouse-Pusher or noobs. The FreeBSD Ports system isn't the only means to install software. Alongside the Ports system is the pkg_* system for installing pre-built packages, these version numbers are almost always in-line w/ ports so there is little issue and you can safely mix-match in most cases, so long as you pay attention. 5. The winner was Debian. Why? Easy to tell: The packaging thing was running perfectly, I could automate a lot of things (cron-apt for example), protection was good with a little more work, and, very important, I could use webmin (in a restricted form) for our noob-admins and also some usermin-modules for my customers (also very restricted form). All other things could be configured to my needs, thanks to the scripts, debian is bringing by default. And, not to forget: debian is running on the most different hardware, on intel machines, solaris, risc whatever. I choose after this advice: Choose a distribution, and learn it. But learn it well! It was also the well documentation and manuals, which made my decision easy (although the docu of FreeBSD is very well, too!) I beg your pardon, but the FreeBSD handbook beats any linux distro's documentation hands down. You can 'man insert anything and get a well documented man page on that topic, I can't man wl in Debian. Don't get my wrong, I like Debian a lot, I've been using it since 6 was released and so far, it suites my needs, I even choose it for the VPS I just got. I'm also a FreeBSD fan (used it since the early 5.x days) FreeBSD can also run on these platforms. Although, Solaris is a UNIX-based OS, not a platform, are you talking about SUN Systems? Check out [2] and [3] for FreeBSD's Architecture support policy and a link to download the current supported branches (8.2 and 7.4) across multiple architectures. There are other niche-releases of FreeBSD released by developers on the side, such as NanoBSD, which is used as the base-platform for pfSense. And not forget its freedom: There is no coorporation behind it, which si controlling everything (like i.e. SuSE or RedHat!!) Last I heard, while RedHat does own the rights to Fedora, it is primarily a community-driven bleeding-edge OS designed to provide RHEL an up to date, stable environment. I dunno about SuSE, never used it much. Fedora, while bleeding edge, isn't all that bad if one takes your own advice and learns it well. If I would have to choose today again, I would again vote for Debian, especially for noobs. It is easy to install, well to learn, is still pure linux (like slackware), and has a fine community. Slackware is more pure in my option, only because the developer aims to provide a *vanilla* environment that is free from developer influence. The Debian way of doing something won't fly in Slackware, but the vanilla/neutral way of doing something in Slackware will work in almost any other modern *Nix OS Many may ask, and Ubuntu? Aaah, f...k off! I do not like, what Ubuntu does. It is mostly preconfigured, and people do not learn anything. And it lacks with configuration. I remember, I should change postfix from English to German. No problem in Debian! Just install German locales and configure postfix. And Ubuntu? There are no German locales in its repository! Ah, get lost! It is an American Distro! Ok, this was just my personal point. I love Debian, fes problems with it and bugs are fixed s fast! Bugs are fixed quite fast in FreeBSD too, spend time on -ports, -hackers, -bugs or -security and you'll see, sometimes, they are fixed within minutes of being discovered. Bugs found in in BASE can take a bit longer because there is a testing procedure to ensure that new bugs aren't introduced into the base system by mistake with the fix. This is also my opinion, but I think it's an opinion founded slightly more in fact. Take a look at the mailing lists[1] For FreeBSD, join a few and you'll see how well taken care of and robust FreeBSD really is. Ultimately, it comes down to what will work best in your environment and I'm sure we're all happy that you found one. It just seems like your analysis of FreeBSD was a bit short-minded. [1]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo [2]http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/committers-guide/archs.html [3]http://www.freebsd.org/where.html Yes, I'm a FreeBSD fan, I'm also a Debian fan, which is why I sit on this mailing list. I'm also a long-time fan of Slackware, although I haven't used it in many years. So be kind, don't flame me :D -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q
Re: GLX Missing
On 8/10/2011 5:15 PM, Robert Blair Mason Jr. wrote: Hello list, I am unable to get 3d graphics on my laptop. I've tried the standard reinstall xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-video-intel, dpkg-reconfigure, and then restart, but it hasn't worked. My video card: $ lspci | grep VGA 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18) $ lsmod | grep -w video video 17707 1 i915 thermal_sys17949 3 video,processor,thermal So far, so good. But... $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i glx [ 659.592] (II) LoadModule: glx [ 659.592] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 659.599] (II) Module glx: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation [ 659.599] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 280.13 Wed Jul 27 17:12:07 PDT 2011 [ 659.599] (II) Loading extension GLX [ 659.841] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) To me, it looks like Xorg is trying to load nvidia's glx modules, but is (correctly) unable to do so, because it (correctly) can't find any nvidia video cards on my system. It also seems that this is blocking Xorg from loading intel glx drivers. Thanks for any advice, -- rbmj Try changing your xorg.conf to reflect the intel driver vs the nvidia one, I would remove the nvidia gpu driver all together unless you need it for some reason. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On 8/8/2011 11:36 AM, shawn wilson wrote: I would have gone with slackware. But that's just me. :) Slackware is a great way to learn Linux without many 'isms to worry about. Slackware 4.x/5.x was my first distro to try on my own and I used it for a very long time. It taught me the fundamental basics of what I needed to know about compiling software and it's dependencies. It's something I do recommend to people who want to aggressively learn Linux without the overhead of learning how a specific OS does something. Granted I haven't used Slackware since 9.1 so I have no idea how much has changed since then... -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Best linux Distro 2011
On 8/8/2011 1:35 PM, Jerome BENOIT wrote: Why have you switched to Debian ? Simply for the experience, I try to spend some time with a few different distro's at a time. I've played with RHL, SuSE, Slackware, Arch, Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, Slackware and FreeBSD, just to name a few. To be perfectly honest, Debian, FreeBSD and Gentoo all share many things in common and in general, I enjoy their philosophies over the others. To that end, at home, I run a Debian, a Gentoo and 2 FreeBSD boxes (one is my pfSense firewall and the other is a FreeBSD server). My VPS is also Debian, although I would much prefer if my host would offer FreeBSD as I am more familiar with that as a server. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Problems ejecting cd.
On 8/6/2011 12:47 PM, R. Clayton wrote:
I'm running debian testing updated weekly. Every once in a while I manage to
wedge the cd drive such that I can no longer eject it:
$ sudo umount /dev/scd1
umount: /dev/scd1: not mounted
$ eject /dev/scd1
eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
$ sudo eject /dev/scd1
eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
$ eject -v /dev/scd1
eject: device name is `/dev/scd1'
eject: expanded name is `/dev/scd1'
eject: `/dev/scd1' is a link to `/dev/sr1'
eject: `/dev/sr1' is not mounted
eject: `/dev/sr1' is not a mount point
eject: `/dev/sr1' is not a multipartition device
eject: trying to eject `/dev/sr1' using CD-ROM eject command
eject: CD-ROM eject command failed
eject: trying to eject `/dev/sr1' using SCSI commands
eject: SCSI eject failed
eject: trying to eject `/dev/sr1' using floppy eject command
eject: floppy eject command failed
eject: trying to eject `/dev/sr1' using tape offline command
eject: tape offline command failed
eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
$ ls -l /dev/s{cd,r}1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Aug 5 18:09 /dev/scd1 - sr1
brw-rw 1 root cdrom 11, 1 Aug 5 18:09 /dev/sr1
$ groups
rclayton dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev bluetooth netdev
$
The drive's wedged so tightly that it doesn't respond to the button on the
cd-tray drawer (it does, however, respond to the paper clip, but that fixes
neither the eject command nor the drawer button). This usually happens after
I
have some mishaps mounting and unmounting the drive. I can recover the drive
by rebooting, but what, if anything, can I do short of rebooting to recover
the
drive?
From a mechanical point of view, this sounds like a bad servo or
actuator motor in the drive. Is it old? New? Is the drive sluggish to
eject the drive, does it feel stiff, like something might be grinding on
the tray itself? Do you have kids that like to hide small things in
really neat new places?
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Re: [left blank]
On 8/4/2011 9:40 AM, AG wrote: GNU/Linux - and the *BSDs - are great systems to learn computing on. For the transition though I would strongly advise against using the new system as your production system ... in the early stages of your learning curve there is the real risk that you can trash your system completely, so only install on a partition or a computer that you can play around on until you can become more familiar and confident with the system you are using. This is also why you will need to set up a root a/c and a user a/c and only ever use the user a/c for working on the system unless the system requires you to be root. In which case, try safeguards such as using the shell command su or sudo to temporarily grant root powers to the user. Otherwise, welcome to the world of GNU/Linux Debian and good luck. AG A great list of suggestions AG. A great alternative if you don't want to dual-boot or use a whole system is to use a Virtual Machine such as VirtualBox[1] [1]http://www.virtualbox.org -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: pls respond asap
On 8/3/2011 1:58 PM, Wonder Universe wrote: guys i want to delete this mail i had sent can u help me how to do dat? http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/08/msg00164.html Its a matter of someone's life..please respond There is no deleting something from the internet, especially if it's been archived off-list already. With enough probable cause, you could petition the list administrators to modify the list archive, but I am unsure of the implications of such an action, in the long time. The point of the archive is historical value, if it can be modified, it's resource as that historical reference becomes tainted. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Has KFTPGrabber gone viral
On 7/28/2011 1:21 AM, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I have been running KFTPGrabber 0.8.1 on Debian 5 on this computer. I hade been using it without problems, for maintaining web sites, until recently. A few days ago, it suddenly decided to, instead of uploading four selected files, upload a directory and its subdirectories, totalling about 200MB, instead of uploading the about 200kB selected. Today, I selected a couple of files, and it said hey, this file sounds similar, and tried to upload a file that was in a directory of the same level (the directory was at the same level; the file within that directory, was at a lower level). I tried repeatedly, and, no matter what file I selected to upload, KFTPGrabber decided that it wanted to upload, instead, the particular file that was in the directory, that was not a file that I wanted to upload. So, I had to use the command line FTP utility to upload the files. So, has KFTPGrabber become viral? If it has, then it is unfortunate, as it had been a good tool for web site development. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 Sorry for the repeated spam on this, my mail client has gone wonky for some reason. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Do I own an unsupported optical IDE drive?
On 7/21/2011 6:28 AM, Horace Dynamite wrote:
I have a lot of ATA link errors in my dmesg,
; BEGIN
[318539.569748] ata2: exception Emask 0x73 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x
action 0xe frozen
[318539.569751] ata2: irq_stat 0x, unknown FIS
, host bus
[318539.569756] ata2: SError: { RecovData RecovComm UnrecovData
Persist Proto HostInt PHYRdyChg PHYInt CommWake 10B8B Dispar BadCRC
Handshk LinkSeq TrStaTrns UnrecFIS DevExch }
[318539.569765] ata2: hard resetting link
[318541.100038] ata1: failed to resume link (SControl )
; END
... It goes on for a very long time, these errors are actually all I
can see in my dmesg.
I can't mount ISO's, I think this is because my optical drive is not
supported (well, the IDE interface must be using a weird chipset)
My kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64.
Am I right in thinking this implies my optical drive is not supported?
My current optical drive has an IDE interface, using this Ultra DMA
stuff on an Abit AB9 motherboard. I thought I should get a SATA drive,
does this seem reasonable (my SATA disk drives work flawlessly with
the SATA interface)?
Thank you for your time,
Horace.
Could you provide the make/model of the optical drive in question as
well as the output of lspci?
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Re: 32bit vs 64bit
On 7/21/2011 4:57 PM, Brad Alexander wrote: This is sort of an odd question, but my desktop is a core2duo machine, which means it is capable of 32 or 64 bit operation. The last time I rebuilt the machine in 2007, there were still a number of deficiencies in 64bit Linux. However, some time in the intervening time, my clock started running fast, gaining, say, 15 minutes per hour, even though ntp was running. I was advised to install the amd64 kernel. Thus I wound up with a franken-machine with a 64bit kernel and 32bit userland. One of the problems with this configuration is that apps which use the kernel and userland versions get confused. For instance, I can install the amd64 version of VirtualBox, but it will not start because it gives me wrong architecture... Well, now 64bit is as stable as 32bit, and I want to upgrade my machine to 64bit userland. Is there a reliable way to upgrade existing packages? Or is a complete rebuild (nuke and pave) the best way? I know I could probably wget every package on my system with a wget script and do a dpkg -i * but that seems frought with danger. On the other hand, doing a nuke and pave means I would be without the machine for the duration of the build, plus the post-install configuration means I have to labor to get things back to the way I like them. Is there some middle ground? thanks, --b To borrow your own phrase nuke and pave. Moving between architectures is probably a very very bad idea :D (upgrade wise). While not a guru, but a power user, this is something I would only attempt to do in a VM and then, only to prove it can't be done. Sanely. But this is just my $0.02 :D -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Trinity site offline?
On 7/15/2011 10:11 PM, shawn wilson wrote: 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.1 ARIN Direct allocation to Level3 Communications. if they don't know, then TrinityDesktop.org's dns entries were removed from their DNS Servers for what ever reason, but it appears it's back online now. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Want to build new Debian PC. Is IDE interface gone?
On 7/11/2011 2:55 PM, William Hopkins wrote: On 07/10/11 at 03:09pm, mark wrote: I think the last time I was annoyed about such a change was when you couldn't get floppy drives anymore.. Wait! So you can't get floppy drives anymore!?! :P -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) 0xD5B20C0C.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: NVIDIA - URGENT
* Hans Vogelsberger li@schwaz.net [2011-07-02 18:44:43 +0200]: Todays testing update, safe-upgrade and full-upgrade totally killed my X which ran with NVIDIA driver. Even this posting I must send from my old computer which is in a terrible state because I did nothing on it since I use the new one. Without X, most work I do on my computer cannot be done. Nouveau did not work after I bought my Fujitsu in January. Installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau-dbg, libdrm-nouveau1a, and libdrm-nouveau1a-dbg and changing the Driver line in Section Device of /etc/X11/xorg.conf with Vim from NVIDIA to nouveau and after another reboot to NOUVEAU did not work either. The Identifier line was NVIDIA GeForce 9300 GE and thus correct, the other sections in xorg.conf were not printed but configured elsewhere, and xdm and xfce4 had worked well all the time. I rechanged the Driver line with Vim again back to NVIDIA, rebootet and dpkg-reconfigured whatever seemed necessary, And rebootet again. Near the end of /var/log/Xorg.0.log the following lines showed up: (II) Loading extension DRI2 (II) LoadModule: nvidia (WW) Warning: couldn't open module nvidia (II) Unloading module nvidia (EE) Failed to load module nvidia These seem to be the important lines and are the same in Xorg.0.log and in Xorg.0.log.old. The logs with nouveau are lost. I rebootet to often and there is only one Xorg.0.log.old file. As far as I remember those lines did not look notably different from the nvidia ones. Is there something I can do, or is it necessary to install Wheezy anew? In this case I hope it is enough to repartition / and /boot partitions and leave the other ones as they are. Yours Hans Vogelsberger Hans, Try reinstalling the nvidia driver, the kernel likely changed during your upgrade and the driver needs to have his kernel module recompiled against the new kernel version. Try that and report back. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110702170445.ge28...@gmail.com
Re: Unread bug reports ?
* Camale?n noela...@gmail.com [2011-06-25 11:09:40 +]: Which is fine... but in such cases there should be the figure of an ombudsman, the glue that acts when no one is in charge of a package- or that seems to be missing- that at least lets you know what is happening and what's the bug status. With accurate information, you can quietly wait or go upstream with the bug. You have more choices. Not news is not good news is this case. Greetings! FreeBSD's ports system has something similar to what your talking about here. The life of a port first depends on it's Maintainer, if s/he quits, gives up, gets bored, what ever, the port then defaults to Ports system maintainers where they, collectively decide one of the following: a) absorb the port and continue support b) find a new maintainer c) drop support and move on This is all decided by the Ports System committee and doesn't happen over night. There is ample time for people to be properly notified and for them to find a new maintainer amungst themselves or elsewhere or for people to move off/away from that port. Just my $0.02 :D -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110625165320.ga6...@gmail.com
Re: posting
* lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de [2011-06-22 19:20:19 +0200]: Perhaps the digest can be turned into an mbox file without too much effort, like just stripping the headers of the container-message, and thus be treated as if the subscriber received the mailing list not as a digest but as single messages? An interesting idea, so essentially they can be presented with a link to download the digest for any given period in mbox format for importation into their mail client maybe make the period defineable so they could then choose to fetch the days messages or last weeks messages, given what they desire. -- Chris Brennan -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ | http://xkcd.com/549/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110622172411.ga31...@gmail.com
Re: news/mail client and the text borders
* Philipp ??berbacher hollun...@lavabit.com [2011-06-13 11:27:57 +0200]: Excerpts from Davide Baldini's message of 2011-06-13 04:28:18 +0200: What software do you use for mail/news? I see all your messages are proudly well formatted and perfectly fit in pages of 80 columns, while I have to push return each line. If i forget, lines gets splitted in my window but then when i send it out i see the big mistake... is there any margins setting? I use icedove (thunderbird 3.0.11) I use a CLI mailer (sup) and vim for text editing, so in my case it's vim that does the line wrapping. If memory serves vim is told that what it edits is a mail and behaves accordingly, but there certainly are manual settings for this stuff too. I'm a mutt user and vim is my editor of choice, if that's the route you would like to go then the following will make your life somewhat easier. ch...@stewie.xaerolimit.net:~$ cat .vim/after/ftplugin/mail.vim syntax on setlocal wrap setlocal textwidth=72 do text=flowed wrapping setlocal formatoptions+=wr setlocal formatoptions-=l don't autoindent or smartindent, as that just adds weird spaces into the middle of flowed text paragraphs setlocal noautoindent nosmartindent setlocal nopaste ch...@stewie.xaerolimit.net:~$ This is what vim reads when I reply to and/or compose mail to some one. If you really want to jump into mutt, I would suggest subscribing to the mutt-users mailing list as well and I can share my mutt configuration (as can others) to help you along. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? s http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110613135008.ga17...@gmail.com
[debian.li...@home.nl: Re: broadcom: SOLVED]
- Forwarded message from steef debian.li...@home.nl - Redirected back to list so it can be archived. Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:39:46 +0200 From: steef debian.li...@home.nl To: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net Subject: Re: broadcom: SOLVED Chris Brennan schreef: * steefdebian.li...@home.nl [2011-06-11 15:32:00 +0200]: hi list, bought my self a hp mini-netbook, included windoze7 and a very strong accu, 10 hours of life. What's 'accu'? i put sid on an usb-stick, included fluxbox and wicd(-curses). wifi = (lspci) brcm4313. (type 5.60.350.6) Can you paste the whole line from lspci? 'lspci | grep 4313' should do (without the quotes) loaded/installed the according the debian broadcom- (broadcom 43xx wireless drivers) -wiki convenient driver_firmware. the driver should be included in the sid_kernel, so i understood. however: this wifi_driver does not work. See below link. my questions: what did i do wrong if anything (1) ? My question, what *did* you do? Can you be a little more specific about the process you did follow? and broadcom assued a so-called xxx-STA driver (by google) somebody with some experience with this brcm4313 driver for linux (tar.gz) does this one work for my mini_netbook (2) ? Link? if i find a working driver i can get rid of w7. http://wiki.debian.org/wl is what I used on my HP laptop. I've actually had Debian 6 (Squeeze) installed on there for several months now and I *JUST* got wireless working within the last few days, it was based on the above link that I got it working, it's fairly straight-forward and your 4313 is listed (mine is a 4312). One thing I do recommend, if you have a physical wifi switch, to toggle it after the new wl driver is loaded, that was the trick that got it working for me, once I did, it turned blue and I immediately connected to my Router hi chris, thanks for your help. with the [broadcom-sta] wl-module from the wl debian wiki you advised me i was able to install wl.ko in the kernel-modules. now all works fine. thank you again, steef groningen netherlands (with the wooden shoes) - End forwarded message - Steef, your very welcome. I am glad that wiki page helped you. I was amazed at how easily it worked for me. My laptop has been up for 3 days now with the information from that WIKI page and it is still reported 100% signal strength and it hasn't dropped (Windows used to drop all the time, annoyed the hell out of me.) -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110612194305.ga14...@gmail.com
Re: broadcom
* steef debian.li...@home.nl [2011-06-11 15:32:00 +0200]: hi list, bought my self a hp mini-netbook, included windoze7 and a very strong accu, 10 hours of life. What's 'accu'? i put sid on an usb-stick, included fluxbox and wicd(-curses). wifi = (lspci) brcm4313. (type 5.60.350.6) Can you paste the whole line from lspci? 'lspci | grep 4313' should do (without the quotes) loaded/installed the according the debian broadcom- (broadcom 43xx wireless drivers) -wiki convenient driver_firmware. the driver should be included in the sid_kernel, so i understood. however: this wifi_driver does not work. See below link. my questions: what did i do wrong if anything (1) ? My question, what *did* you do? Can you be a little more specific about the process you did follow? and broadcom assued a so-called xxx-STA driver (by google) somebody with some experience with this brcm4313 driver for linux (tar.gz) does this one work for my mini_netbook (2) ? Link? if i find a working driver i can get rid of w7. http://wiki.debian.org/wl is what I used on my HP laptop. I've actually had Debian 6 (Squeeze) installed on there for several months now and I *JUST* got wireless working within the last few days, it was based on the above link that I got it working, it's fairly straight-forward and your 4313 is listed (mine is a 4312). One thing I do recommend, if you have a physical wifi switch, to toggle it after the new wl driver is loaded, that was the trick that got it working for me, once I did, it turned blue and I immediately connected to my Router -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110611142714.ga28...@gmail.com
Re: broadcom
* Freeman hew...@gmail.com [2011-06-11 14:51:32 -0700]: You need broadcom-sta. Read here http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=namessuite=allsection=allkeywords=broadcom-sta # apt-get install broadcom-sta-common broadcom-sta-source module-assistant +make debhelper quilt bzip2 I don't remember how much of the install dpkg does automatically. But I believe you will be using module-assistant. So don't forget sta-source and do all the preliminary steps and downloads within module-assistant. Then select the broadcom-sta module, build and install. Broadcom-STA is an imperfect solution. It's performance has been knonw to vary. It will blacklist a number of modules, disabling your LAN connection. The blacklist will be under /etc/modprob.d/broadcom-sta-common.conf . To use the LAN, I had an alias that moved /etc/modprob.d/broadcom-sta-common.conf to /root then rebooted. And visa-versa. I do have an alternate blacklist file that, in addition, blacklists broadcom but I don't think that was necessary to use the LAN. (It has been awhile.) The Debian WIKI page I linked in my last e-mail covered all of this, I had my wireless working in approximately 10 minutes time. I did nothing spectacularly special. Either I got really lucky or that wiki is better then people give it credit for. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110611222835.gc30...@gmail.com
Re: unable to enumerate usb device on port 5
* Camale?n noela...@gmail.com [2011-06-10 10:25:46 +]: On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:04:00 +0530, Rohit Vaidya wrote: I have just installed Debian Squeeze successfully. On boot up I get the following message constantly dumped on the console. Whenever I try to access the virtual terminal it gives me the same message. Unable to enumerate usb device on port 5 . Even a dmesg shows the same message being constantly dumped on the terminal. What is the problem and how can we overcome this issue? JFYI, there have been similar reports on this list about that error: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/05/msg01769.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg02201.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg00960.html And there is also a bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620848 What I don't know is if someone could finally solved the problem :-? I noticed this as well last night when I had to reboot my Debian 6 laptop, I hadn't noticed the error message before but it is dumped *a lot*, I could go find out exactly how many times if necessary... -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? http://xkcd.com/84/ GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110610152422.ga21...@gmail.com
Re: hard drive configuration
* prad p...@towardsfreedom.com [2011-06-06 09:23:08 -0700]: in the past we've had two partitions: / /data into the latter went home, www, mail and we'd softlink from the appropriate places. the nice thing about this setup has always been that when we upgraded or tried a different system there wasn't any data copying to do. now we've been experimenting with xfs on which there will be openvs containers to run the web/mail servers. containers go into /var/lib/vz and we're thinking of keeping them in a separate partition too. additionally, we've split things up so there are partitions for /usr /usr/local /tmp /home and so on. so i'm musing over whether to have a /data partition as before - it doesn't seem to make quite the same sense at this stage. however, when it comes time to change to the next debian, i keep thinking having the data separate may be an advantage. do people have favorite partitioning schemes with appropriate justifications for them? In the past, I've done something simmilar, especially on multi-drive systems. I will usuaully have root (/) on a small raid1 mirror (hard or soft, your choice.) And then do soemthing simmilar w/ /data, whereas /data is running an LVM ontop of the RAID1 array for dynamic partitions. When in doubt, install the system entirely to (/) and then copy over any persistant data to newly created partitions with in the LVM group. Recently, I put together a squeeze system running XFS, this is my layout: ch...@leviathan.xaerolimit.net:~$ sudo pvs; sudo vgs; sudo lvs PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/sda2 swap lvm2 a-11.17g 0 /dev/sda4 tank lvm2 a-41.18g 3.18g /dev/sdb1 swap lvm2 a-11.17g 0 /dev/sdb2 tank lvm2 a-63.37g 13.37g /dev/sdc1 tank lvm2 a- 149.05g 149.05g /dev/sdd1 tank lvm2 a- 232.88g 232.88g /dev/sde1 tank lvm2 a- 465.76g 465.76g VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree swap 2 1 0 wz--n- 22.34g 0 tank 5 7 0 wz--n- 952.23g 864.23g LVVG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert swap swap -wi-ao 22.34g distfiles tank -wi-a- 10.00g home tank -wi-ao 50.00g opt tank -wi-ao 5.00g portage tank -wi-a- 1.00g tmp tank -wi-ao 2.00g usr tank -wi-ao 10.00g var tank -wi-ao 10.00g ch...@leviathan.xaerolimit.net:~$ mount /dev/sda3 on / type xfs (rw) tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/mapper/tank-home on /home type xfs (rw,grpquota,usrquota) /dev/mapper/tank-opt on /opt type xfs (rw) /dev/mapper/tank-tmp on /tmp type xfs (rw) /dev/mapper/tank-usr on /usr type xfs (rw) /dev/mapper/tank-var on /var type xfs (rw) ch...@leviathan.xaerolimit.net:~$ -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110606164536.gc21...@gmail.com
Re: There was a problem with your email to debianHELP
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2011-06-01 at 20:46 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mi, 01 iun 11, 15:53:24, Juan R. de Silva wrote: On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 01:57:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I think that all mails came through the list, but there were tons of: From: webmas...@debianhelp.org The email you sent to ... was rejected because there was a validation error. I've gotten it too. The webmaster at debianhelp.org is aware of the issue and working on it. Please mind this is NOT a problem with the list. Your posts to debian-user@l.d.o are getting through just fine. And BTW, Ralf, every single of your responses to thread related to Evolution, were delivered to my personal e-mail address as well. Looks like they do have a problem over there. I doubt this is related. It seems to me like Ralf is just using reply-to-all instead of reply-to-list. Regards, Andrei Solved :) Evolution Preferences Composer Preferences Tab: General [x] Group reply goes only to mailing list, if possible While I suspect the answer to this is no, does gmail have a feature such as this? All I see now is reply/forward/reply-all, but no group reply... -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: There was a problem with your email to debianHELP
On Wednesday, June 1, 2011, William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/01/11 at 06:46pm, Chris Brennan wrote: While I suspect the answer to this is no, does gmail have a feature such as this? All I see now is reply/forward/reply-all, but no group reply... Not that I know of. But of course, you can use gmail with any number of clients which do support it. -- Liam I used a client (thunderbird) for years with gmail (goolge for domains actually) and I found it cumbersome at best and the client eventually got slow. I've also grown rather accustomed to flails interface, I do realize some people like it Ne some don't, I do. I also realize that with the ten+ mailing lists I am on, there are some features that are missing. In retrospect, maybe I should just learn to use fetchmail, procmail and mutt (or maybe some other mta and fetch my mail to one of my local servers and read it via samba or nfs. That said, are there any jostle to setup fetchmail, procmail and an mta/mua for local use? -- -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=71s4xtxr+4tem+dl1feja3wu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: aptitude/apt-get hangs during update (plus) on IPv6
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Ma, 31 mai 11, 09:50:48, Jeffrey B. Green wrote: So, if anyone knows what going on here or whether this looks like an official bug, then let me know. This sounds like you might want to contact debian-admin ;) The 404's you were getting, I got them as well on my Debian 6 VPS. No firewall in place on he VPS (yet, as I am still setting it up) but every time I run an update, I see the 404's against s.d.o ... the VPS is IPv4 only but the hosting provider may be doing IPv6 w/o my knowledge. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: There was a problem with your email to debianHELP
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I think that all mails came through the list, but there were tons of: From: webmas...@debianhelp.org The email you sent to ... was rejected because there was a validation error. I got this too, it was addressed directly to me yet I hadn't sent mail to the list in hours or longer... My full header/email is included if someone wants to pick it apart Delivered-To: xa...@xaerolimit.net Received: by 10.205.82.199 with SMTP id ad7cs160377bkc; Tue, 31 May 2011 16:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.179.6 with SMTP id dc6mr1249691vdc.222.1306885576419; Tue, 31 May 2011 16:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: phpmailfunction...@debianhelp.org Received: from mx.spartacussystems.net ([173.242.120.58]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oz7si424031vcb.86.2011.05.31.16.46.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 16:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 173.242.120.58 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phpmailfunction...@debianhelp.org) client-ip=173.242.120.58; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 173.242.120.58 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phpmailfunction...@debianhelp.org) smtp.mail=phpmailfunction...@debianhelp.org; dkim=pass header.i=@debianhelp.org Received: from mx.spartacussystems.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.spartacussystems.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7951699C03C for xa...@xaerolimit.net; Tue, 31 May 2011 19:46:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple; d=debianhelp.org; h=to :subject:mime-version:content-type:sender:from:message-id:date :content-transfer-encoding; s=postfix; bh=352sv0H81NA+HGK4z6q2GP DmoWA=; b=plQ81Pn2CEw8GVu0YCZUqgUM8p4YmrD+9GG7WkxQX5w4ZvcMUX1Kyb dKUGrLTjUASRSrYxgcVDsBH8ivMEmYMLMDej0ay03pnF4XjM7PiCRO1T1ABfbgWm bKuOuEIQp+gZXhQyZOVnJN7S8CcH3tZ4GxerA2KmGAbMwazRz+F0c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=simple; d=debianhelp.org; h=to :subject:mime-version:content-type:sender:from:message-id:date :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=postfix; b=x7wERNl46W+CG9JO mkPoEHbhORuK6dP6lc/xeN4ht5zoDAPc3TH16wqMaOaFeBNOJrwTUG1YuHam6xzh AFUQNASx2FGAJTarLL5PAuEIJ+mp86Pbrz2tVBWMVVtMrFaFykaKrnBHD1WeoWe/ BSOkuul3ZEW4s4/b3aTzsiCkY1Q= Received: by mx.spartacussystems.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7824699C03D; Tue, 31 May 2011 19:46:13 -0400 (EDT) To: xa...@xaerolimit.net Subject: There was a problem with your email to debianHELP (Re: aptitude/apt-get hangs during update (plus) on IPv6) X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1001:mail.inc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: Drupal Errors-To: webmas...@debianhelp.org Sender: webmas...@debianhelp.org From: webmas...@debianhelp.org Message-Id: 20110531234613.7824699c...@mx.spartacussystems.net Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The email you sent to Debain User lt;debian-user@lists.debian.orggt; wa= s =20 rejected because there was a validation error. In order for emails to be accepted by debianHELP: - They must be sent in reply to a valid notification email. - The reply must be done from the same email address the notification was= =20 sent to. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: received sms possible or not with debian ??
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:16 PM, thuillier-charmet thuillierchar...@illogal.net wrote: At the moment i have a free mail box where i can received fax or voice message with an intermdiate of free phone number. i wish to received a sms on this mail box (without bought a mobil) when someone like my bank sent to me a sms ! how i can do that ? thanks. Have you thought about Google Voice? -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Why does my system stop frequently?
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Dennis Wicks w...@mgssub.com wrote: [snip] My system (lenny 2.6.26-2-686, P2, 2+ GHz) The Pentium II max clockspeed was 233-450MHz are you sure it's not a P4? (PIII clockspeeds are 400Mhz to 1.4GHz.) So if it's a 2GHz CPu then it's got to be a P4. It helps to know what you really are running, hardware wise for us to help you diagnose a hardware problem. Hardware freezes can happen for a few reasons, the obvious hardware issue is bad ram. If you can run memtest again, but cycle your SODIMMs out (if you have more then 1), this will help eliminate problems. While the system is running normally, run top and watch it, see if anything spikes. In the past, I've looped a 'ps aux' and piped it to a file for review during a repeated freeze. This is the best way to see if it's a software issue. I would also install and run something like chkrootkit, rkhunter and maybe even sleuthkit and poke around for a rootkit on your laptop. Also consider that if the laptop is as old as you say, you could have a failing piece of hardware that is forcing the CPU to divert all cycles to it for some reason (I've seen this happen in desktops, my experiences with laptops is limited to the few that I've had and worked on in the past but the general concepts would be the same. Does the laptop get hot? Not just warm (as that's normal) but outright hot to the touch. Also, while it's frozen you say you can't select anything (with the mouse?) and you can't type. Are you able to *MOVE* the mouse? -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Serial Console Access
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 12:04 AM, David Parker dpar...@utica.edu wrote: Was your onboard serial port disabled in the BIOS at the time you installed Debian? If it was, then the first port on your serial card should be mapped to /dev/ttyS0. If not, then udev may have picked up the onboard port as /dev/ttyS0 and made your card /dev/ttyS1 (or another number). No, originally the on-board serial device was enabled in the BIOS when I plopped the card in, I've since disabled it in the BIOS and sometimes now when I reboot this box, and run setserial, I will see either one or two serial devices listed. The on-board device always showed up with a low IRQ and the Serial card is IRQ16, so I was able to tell which device I was using. During my troubleshooting, before sending my initial email), I had set everything up to use ttyS0 and ttyS1 anyway, just to cover all my bases, but I still got no login when I tried to connect via serial. I have two Debian 4 boxes with the serial console working. It has been quite a while since I set this up, but I'm pretty sure that I just added this line to /etc/inittab and then restarted init: co:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt102 I think the co may have something to do with it. Sorry I can't be more help, I'm really rusty on this. I did this 5 years ago and I've never had to do it again. What does co do vs TO? Admittidly, I don't know much about how this works, so like a smart monkey, I did what I saw wrote about the most. Also, how are you restarting init w/o rebooting? -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Serial Console Access
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: 115200 is a bit high speed rate, for testing I would lower that value and once it works, you can play with this. Yeah, it is high, that was just my last change, I started at the typical 9600, went to 19200, 38400 and then 115200. All produces the same black window from putty. I suppose you already rebooted the computer you wanted to connect to, right? Many times ... OTOH, /etc/inittab can be restarted/reloaded by issuing telinit q, or at least that was what I used on another distributions, in Debian I'm not sure if remains the same (reviewing the manual...) hum, yep, it's the same :-) This saves me from having to repeatedly reboot the box thanks :D For shiggles, I changed 115200 back to 9600 and used telinit q :D, same thing, black screen, no login prompt -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Serial Console Access
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2011 12:17:29 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: (...) OTOH, /etc/inittab can be restarted/reloaded by issuing telinit q, or at least that was what I used on another distributions, in Debian I'm not sure if remains the same (reviewing the manual...) hum, yep, it's the same :-) This saves me from having to repeatedly reboot the box thanks :D For shiggles, I changed 115200 back to 9600 and used telinit q :D, same thing, black screen, no login prompt What happens if you press any key although there is no prompt? Sonofa! I never thought to press enter ... when I did, it prompted for a password, so I just hit enter again and was immediately prompted for a user to login with. Can you test the serial connection from a client other than windows +putty? Just to start discarding culprits... No need now :D see above. Thanks for the obvious tip lol. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Serial Console Access
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 23 May 2011 12:17:29 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: (...) OTOH, /etc/inittab can be restarted/reloaded by issuing telinit q, or at least that was what I used on another distributions, in Debian I'm not sure if remains the same (reviewing the manual...) hum, yep, it's the same :-) This saves me from having to repeatedly reboot the box thanks :D For shiggles, I changed 115200 back to 9600 and used telinit q :D, same thing, black screen, no login prompt What happens if you press any key although there is no prompt? Sonofa! I never thought to press enter ... when I did, it prompted for a password, so I just hit enter again and was immediately prompted for a user to login with. Can you test the serial connection from a client other than windows +putty? Just to start discarding culprits... No need now :D see above. Thanks for the obvious tip lol. How ironic ... the power blinked and that machine rebooted, when it came back up, I saw it boot via the serial console, but it would freeze during the boot process w/ Loading the saved-state of the serial devices... I then manually rebooted the box a few times and it always said the same thing, a few times though, it would print a few characters of garbage and then hang, no physical console access or serial access. The only way I got the machine to come back up was to unplug the serial cable from that box and it came back up normal ... now this isn't normal or wanted behavior and it needs to be adjusted. BTW, I bumped it back up to 115200 (as that is the max speed of that card and the card in my windows machine, when I do connect via serial, it does work and quite well. I also updated my inittab from TO to use co, not sure if that made a difference but based on what I read, as long as it was unique, it didn't matter, co seemed more logical anyway. Now question, does Debian treat co special? Would there be issues or should I choose another two-letter abriviation such as se/SE/sc/SC for serial console? Only reason I point it out is because of my trouble getting console w/ keyboard and not serial -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Why does my system stop frequently?
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Dennis Wicks w...@mgssub.com wrote: I'm sorry! That was a very significant typo! I have a P4, not a P2. Also, not raid disk. No worries, I'm just surprised no one else picked up on it sooner lol. Also, Mem: 1555440k Swap: 6168868k so that's ~1.5GB in ram and 5GB for swap Disk /dev/hda: 160 GB, 160039272960 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 19200 154223968 83 Linux /dev/hda2 19201 19286 682762 82 Linux swap /dev/hda3 19287 19372 682762 82 Linux swap /dev/hda4 19373 19457 674730 82 Linux swap Disk /dev/hdb: 40 GB, 40978344960 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4982 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 1472637961563 83 Linux /dev/hdb247274810 97 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb348114894 97 82 Linux swap /dev/hdb448954982 698827 82 Linux swap Disk /dev/hdc: 250 GB, 250056737280 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdc1 1 30146 242147713 83 Linux /dev/hdc2 30147 30230 97 82 Linux swap /dev/hdc3 30231 30314 97 82 Linux swap /dev/hdc4 30315 30401 690795 82 Linux swap Raiding 3 swaps across 3 disks? Interesting ... never thought of that ... Just to note ... a little more information then above is needed to see if it's a out of memory/swap issue Mem:510480k total, 432012k used,78468k free, 143148k buffers Swap: 1249916k total,33508k used, 1216408k free, 173584k cached usually the first 3 columns (total/used/free) will do, free is the most important, if Mem has 0 free, then everything is getting swapped that is not in ram already. if Swap is really low, then you are having paging issues, the lag could be related to the raided swap and/or a fault disk in the array Yes, I can move the mouse. There is hesitation when I try to switch to either a terminal session or ctl-alt-fx console to run top. Another symptom is that I can type while the system is frozen but nothing appears on the screen until the system frees up then it all displays at once. I've seen that before, several years ago, sadly the solution there was my ex-wife taking an ax to the machine :( So I was never able to properly diagnose why, but it does tell us that the machine is buffering input and not all cycles are being devoted elsewhere, just a significant portion of them. I will run the other tests and post the results. If you swap out the SODIMM's and run Memtest86+, allow at least 12h per SODIMM, 24h to be on the safe side. If you have none to swap out, then just let the machine run 12-24h uninterrupted. Thanks for the help! Dennis no worrries ... P.S. - What are some Mfg model of enterprise disk drives? http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/enterprise/ http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/enterprise/ http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/options/storage/hddstorage/sas/browse.html Just a few examples ... the 3rd link is for SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) Storage. Enterprise Storage Drives (typically spoken about as Black Drives) are typically designed to fail more loudly, last longer until fail and are accustomed to be run solo or in raid arrays ... where as the consumer-grade drives are typically Green Drives, they spin down more often to conserve power, they fail less loudly or even silently! They are also considerably cheaper ... so you get what you buy! HTH/Chris
Serial Console Access
I've embarked on the trial and error process of setting up a serial console on my Debian 6 machine. So far, the configuration has been pretty straight forward. As a reference point I used the following two websites http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-setup-serial-console-on-debian-linux/ http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-setup-serial-console-on-debian-linux/ http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/replace-windows-vista-hyperterminal-with-putty.html http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/replace-windows-vista-hyperterminal-with-putty.htmlIn a nut-shell, this is what is how my Debian box is configured (for serial console) root@leviathan:~# setserial -g /dev/ttyS[0123] /dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0xdc00, IRQ: 16 /dev/ttyS1, UART: 16550A, Port: 0xdc00, IRQ: 16 /dev/ttyS2, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03e8, IRQ: 4 /dev/ttyS3, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02e8, IRQ: 3 root@leviathan:~# grep -e tty -e serial /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX='console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8' GRUB_TERMINAL=serial GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND=serial --speed=115200 --unit=0 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1 #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX='console=ttyS1 console=ttyS1,38400n8' #GRUB_TERMINAL=serial #GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND=serial --speed=38400 --unit=0 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1 root@leviathan:~# grep ttyS /etc/inittab #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 19200 vt100 #T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 19200 vt100 T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 #T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 38400 vt100 #T3:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -x0 -s 57600 ttyS3 root@leviathan:~# grep ttyS /etc/securetty ttyS0 #ttyS1 root@leviathan:~# Now, the one part that could be causing a problem on the server but I can't tell is setserial's output, which is noteworthy. The motherboards COM header is expressly disabled in the bios (as I don't have the header to physically put in this box), but I do have a Serial Card and many working null modem cables. The serial card is: 01:09.0 Serial controller: NetMos Technology PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller (rev 01) In windows, I've got a 2-port serial card, it is properly recognized as COM3 and COM4. When I try to open a connection to the Debian box via COM3/COM4, all I get is a black screen and I can't tell if I am actually connected to the serial console or not I am curious if I missed something here ... I tend to experiment a lot and serial access would just make things so much easier when I am forced to reboot this box and it doesn't come back up ... a lot easier then lugging a 60lb CRT onto my desk to plug into that computer -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Smartphone definition - Re: Poll Summary Poll 1b - What Smartphonedo you use?
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:57 AM, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: I would interject that Blackberrys are widely considered Smartphones, in fact really being the first of the bread, but only one Blackberry Model contained a touch screen interface... Really doubt they could support debian, but really I don't see debian running on any of them in the near future... The Blackberry Storm was a nightmare. A friend of mine had one and I spent more time on the phone w/ Verizon Tech Support and resetting the damned device then he got to using it. It felt like Blackberry rushed it to compete w/ other Touchscreen handheld devices. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: I deleted /usr/src/linux
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Perry Thompson ryperven...@yahoo.frwrote: In my struggle to make Nvidia work with a new kernel, I deleted /usr/src/linux. Is this bad? I had never used /usr/src in Ubuntu before, but I am seeing that it has more of a use in Debian. If I was not meant to delete it, is there a way to get it back? No, you were not meant to delete that, and it's not the end of the system. It's not like of my High School buddies doing deltree /y C:\... did you delete /usr/src or just clobber everthing in /usr/src? Just fetch a new vanilla (stock) kernel from kernel.org or apt-get/aptitude install the most current one (be sure to check that it's the srcs and not a prebilt binary kernel) -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Waking from the Dead
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Tom Allison t...@tacocat.net wrote: This just got harder. I'm trying to just do a reinstall but I only have a macbook to work from. And the installation media can only be a USB drive. I am having all kinds of trouble getting an ISO image onto the USB that will work. I can 'cat debian.iso /dev/disk1s1' well enough. And the machine will recognize the disk at start up, but it never sees it as a bootable device and just hangs. Many of the other instructions are assuming you have a working linux box, which I don't. The files/packages I need to download to build a bootable image I don't have and I can not get either -- apt-get is locked up on dependencies that I'm unable to resolve. First: when I download a ISO for the Debian netinst image it's reported as 'unable to open' on mac. no mountable file systems is the exact error. Don't top post. Don't use cat either, try dd if=/image.iso of=/disk1s1. You will need to first turn the boot magic-bit on, w/ a/ sysctl cmd (I know it works in *bsd, not sure about OS X. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Waking from the Dead
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Andrew Reid rei...@bellatlantic.net wrote: Hi -- The instructions I used don't seem to have that requirement -- you just need dd, which Macs can do, I think. According to my (slightly dated, and possibly fragmentary) notes, I got boot.img.gz from: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer- i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz (NB 32-bit, and probably was Lenny when I did this, but others are supposed to work...) Then, plug in your USB device, do zcat /path/to/boot.img.gz /dev/sdx (substitute OS-specific nomenclature for /dev/sdx), mount /dev/sdx (it will have a bootable FAT32 file-system), and copy the ISO of your choice to the root of the device. Then unmount, and boot your installation target system from it. I have a dim recollection that the name of the ISO file mattered, and had to match a config entry on the USB device somewhere, but my notes, alas, don't cover that case. Also, the ISO can't be too big -- you'll want the net-install ISO for this. dd if=/path/image.iso of=/path/device is all you need. What you should pat attention to is this 1) the image is bootable, all debian iso images are. 2) the size of the iso, make sure it will fit on your device Andrew's directions would work but it seems an ass-backwards way to achieve the same result in 1 cmd vs 2. But hey, if it works, it works. cating an iso onto a device is pretty much a surefire way to fail at some point. Your better off doing it in a prescribed, known to work method. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: How to use serial ports?
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Tapio Lehtonen tapio.lehto...@dnainternet.net wrote: Did not check BIOS for port settings, I supposed ports are enabled since dmesg and setserial show the port. root@phb:~# dmesg | grep -i tty [0.00] console [tty0] enabled [1.072850] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A [1.073628] 00:0a: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A root@phb:~# setserial -g /dev/ttyS* /dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 /dev/ttyS1, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02f8, IRQ: 3 /dev/ttyS2, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03e8, IRQ: 4 /dev/ttyS3, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02e8, IRQ: 3 root@phb:~# The computer has two serial ports, so I am a bit worried that only one shows in the above. Maybe the other is disabled in BIOS. I'll check next time I boot. No breakout box or any such fancy stuff. The null modem cables I used did work last time I used them, if find it unlikely all of them would have broken when unused in the cupboard. I tried both with and without RTS/CTS. I added the user to group dialout, so the user can read and write to the /dev/ttyS0 device. Tapio Lehtonen Sorry if this is slightly OT, I've often wondered about using serial-console to access my 3 local headless servers here, Camaleón link was very useful for the software side of it, what about the hardware side, not the com devices, but what type of cabling is required? Just a F-F rs232/db9 cable? -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:16 AM, teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: +20 Oh and as far as that thing I said about having Cred, Camaleón assist more people on this list than just about anyone, so he's got Cred. Pick your battles a bit wiser. TeddyB I have tried (rather well) to steer clear of this thread, although I have read it with mild enthusiasm. Camaleón and Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. both appear on this list a lot, I would go as far as to say (just for the sake of argument) that they equally help people, in their own ways, based on their own opinions and experiences. I can't help but notice that both Camaleón and Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. also remind me of Jack Lemon and Walter Matthau in the Odd Couple, strong willed and opinionated individuals who fight, bitterly about anything they can, I get that impression here that you are this lists version of the Odd Couple ... so shake hands, agree to disagree and let this thread die, it's starting to get old now. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Defending yourself
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:22 PM, PMA peterarmstr...@aya.yale.edu wrote: Actually Re: Posting Style (nevermind a new thread): It seems to me that bottom-posting is for people who want to read in one direction, while top-posting is for people who want to see the current message immediately. I am wedded to the latter by profession, game in any case for either, and willing to abide by a given list's rule, if it exists, for using which. PA This list and many others policy is to bottom-post. Regardless, can we please let this thread die in peace? -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT] Re: Defending yourself
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:53 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: Ahhh, I read threads like this on reddit (and other online forums) when I'm bored or just want to cringe at something. I never thought the likes of that would reach this list. This thread has been nothing but hysterical ... akin to morning coffee as I read all my list mail when I first get up. I'm starting to wonder how long this (OT) thread will go. I'm wishing we had that filesystem thread still going right about now - I learned something from that. (Not totally sold on xfs but I learned tons) +1, I was already in the XFS camp and I learned a few new things (mostly misconceptions) -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: I am not receiving my discussion mail.
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 10 May 2011 20:53:14 +0530, Narendra Sisodiya wrote: Please reply me, let me test, whether I am getting reply of email or not.. Are you using Gmail's smtp service? If yes, it's normal you don't get your own postings (this is a well-known bugture: a bug that is called a feature :-P) Or a feature that is a bug ... take your pick, it works both ways :D -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Loss of connectivity on recent testing updates
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:23 PM, AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey list Sometime over the last 9 days I have updated my testing desktop system and when I went to reboot the theme settings on Gnome had changed and I am unable to access the Internet. My partner's machine - from which this is sent - can access the Net fine. I could until I rebooted. I've created a second account and that user cannot access the Net either. Help!! I really have no clue what brought this about nor how to fix it. I've stopped the Firestarter firewall, and restarted it; ditto with Tor and Polipo. No change. Did you make sure the interface was up? As root, ifconfig or sudo ifconfig or su -c ifconfig -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Some way to restrict what apt-get/aptitude installs
I've a headless server running Debian 6 and I am curious if there is a way to restrict what gets pulled in Example #1 Gentoo: USE=-X will effectively stop all X/X-related libs from being installed and the package manager there will fail, telling you why. Example #2 FreeBSD: X=NO (YES/NO/TRUE/FALSE valid respectively) WITHOUT_X=YES (YES/NO/TRUE/FALSE valid respectively) for a similar result as Gentoo, FreeBSD will install some X libs silently when absolutely necessary and while undesirable, this is acceptable. Does something like this exist in Debian? I want to be able to install things or have someone else install things they are told to like the good monkey they are but I don't want the system to become bogged down with needless X/X-related dependencies or for them to blindly install gnome for example ... -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: [OT] What SmartPhone for a FreeTard??? [Was: Poll - What Smartphone do you use?]
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Roger Morgan halbtaxabo-...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, there's the Openmoko Freerunner: http://www.openmoko.com/freerunner.html It's clunky and buggy, but it's free as in freedom, and it's usable as a cellphone, just. It also only appears to be sold from half a dozen vendors in Europe I would wager a guess, it only works in Europe too... -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: file systems
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: I'd love to see data for 2.6.32 (Squeeze) and 2.6.38 (Wheezy/Sid). I have Squeeze running XFS ontop of LVM2, if I can do something to contribute to this, let me know -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: In Debian GNU(Linux), you own phone. - Re: Poll - What Smartphone do you use?
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 1:29 AM, giovanni_re john...@fastmail.us wrote: I'm guessing you're probably not running Debian GNU(Linux) on your phone. ;) If you were, it would be _you_ who is in control of your phone. ;) That's why I'm working to get Smartphone Debian (SD) going. :) I'm guessing you like to pick fights? Your choice of words is questionable and potentially inflammatory. You might want to choose your words more carefully in the future. Your threads spark debate but when they are borderline belligerent, it doesn't serve the community at large, makes people want to be non-participant. I'm with Mr. Wilson on this, what my phone runs is no ones business but who I tell. Blatting my carrier, brand, make and model for anyone who wants to get their google-fu on, can do so, and if they dig a little harder, they could potentially use that information and put it to bad use. If someone doesn't want to tell (and they wish to make it known that they don't want to tell), then that is their business, at the very least respect it. /rantoff -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: file systems
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 3:08 PM, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net writes: [snip] No worries, couldn't hurt to read up on CDDL[1], *BSD[2] Licences and GNU/GPL [3]. As for your general Filesystem needs, XFS or XFS-LVM is probably the smart way to go. You mentioned something about doing this on USB (solid-state?) storage? You might want to also consider reading up on USB's general policy about write few, read many. In a nutshell, most USB devices don't like to be written to many many times (such as a busy *primary* FS). They have a limited shelf-life of writes )wear leveling) before they go bad (I have an OCZ ATV rubber thumb drive that has suffered this.) This is why they tell you defragmenting SSD's is a *VERY* bad idea, you significantly reduce the write ability of the device.[4] [5][6] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#Advantages_and_disadvantages [5] http://www.bress.net/blog/archives/ 114-How-Long-Does-a-Flash-Drive-Last.html [6] http://www.corsairmemory.com/_faq/FAQ_flash_drive_wear_leveling.pdf many thx chris for the links. i was surprised to read this: one of the reasons for basing the CDDL on the Mozilla license was that the Mozilla license is GPL-incompatible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License looking further i saw: The Free Software Foundation (FSF) considers the license a free software license, albeit one with a weak copyleft. However, unlike the X11 license (MIT License) the license has some complex restrictions making it incompatible with the GNU GPL. They urge people not to use the license because of this incompatibility unless the provision in section 13 of the MPL is exercised to provide the work under either the GPL or any other GPL-compatible license.[2] For these reasons, the Mozilla Suite and Firefox have been relicensed under multiple licenses, including the MPL, GPL and LGPL. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Public_License#Compatibility_with_GPL so that might be why firefox is called iceweasel on debian and nakamoura on arch. also, thx for the tips regarding my usb idea. i agree it isn't a good one for several reasons. we'll stick to regular hard drives for now when we switch from freebsd to debian in june. -- in friendship, prad No worries, glad to be of help. Open Source Licencing is tricky ... but the provided links should also have given you enough of an idea as to why ZFS+Linux is a slim chance in hell to happen right now ... it would be great to see ZFS in the Linux kernel, natively, but you also need to consider that the BSD world is still contributing heavily to the development of ZFS, so it's also in heavy flux and that combined w/ the licencing of ZFS and the kernel make it a nightmare to try and pull of successfully right now. You would also need to take into account survivability of the project. ZFS has a huge following but if Oracle were to get a bug up their collective bums and stop public releases of ZFS past v28 then that's all the Open Source community would be left with, is v28 as the most recent release. The *BSD's would no doubt jump on it and fork it in a heartbeat ... but ZFSv28 while stable under most conditions and is feature-rich and very robust, it is not feature-complete yet. ZFS is a great solution, it just isn't really read for prime-time production use yet. XFS, EXT3 and EXT4 are all great Filesystems to choose from in the meantime. XFS being your actual choice, you will find it to be a very feature-rich, feature-complete and robust FS that is able to grow and scale as you need it. Just remember that it, like any other FS isn't the end-all be-all of Filesystems, always make make room for appropriate backups, hardware failover (multiple redundant RAID Arrays), dump the FS to another RAID Array, and media-backups ... Bluray being ~50Gb/disc makes for an idea solution for appropriately sized FS's. Keep reading and if you get stuck ... the list is here to help ... even the evangelists and naysayers can point you in the right direction ... -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Can't mount ntfs, says: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Jose Legido j...@legido.com wrote: On 04/28/2011 02:01 AM, Chris Brennan wrote: Reposting to the list, OP, obey REPLY-TO headers or use 'Reply All'. Excuse me I forget it It's all good :D [snip] post the output of the following commands mount I think when I Install debian, marks sda1 as lvm and maybe the problem is not with ntfs. I start with live cd of hirens and doesn't watch ntfs partition # mount /dev/mapper/debian64-arrel on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro) tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) /dev/mapper/debian64-home on /home type ext4 (rw) fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw) df -h $ df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/debian64-arrel 22G 3.0G 18G 15% / tmpfs 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /lib/init/rw udev 2.0G 280K 2.0G 1% /dev tmpfs 2.0G 0 2.0G 0% /dev/shm /dev/mapper/debian64-home 56G 381M 52G 1% /home cat /proc/partitions $ cat /proc/partitions #blocks name 80 244198584 sda 81 118752448 sda1 826683040 sda2 83 81639424 sda3 84 1 sda4 857821312 sda5 2540 2304 dm-0 2541 58597376 dm-1 lsmod | grep ntfs nothing uname -a Linux akainsa 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 7 21:35:22 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux file /dev/sdxX (where 'x' is sda and sdb and 'X' is for each partition. # file -s /dev/sda /dev/sda: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x8e, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 237504897 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x12, starthead 0, startsector 475025985, 13366080 sectors; partition 3: ID=0x8e, starthead 254, startsector 237506560, 163278848 sectors; partition 4: ID=0x5, starthead 254, startsector 459382782, 15642626 sectors, code offset 0x63 # file -s /dev/sda1 /dev/sda1: LVM2 (Linux Logical Volume Manager) , UUID: zh2yJYVJUoCB7CvoMXeOkn0YugN0Ajx # file -s /dev/sda2 /dev/sda2: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID MSDOS5.0, sectors/cluster 8, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 475025985, sectors 13366080 (volumes 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 13028, reserved3 0x80, serial number 0x282e8f11, label: SERVICEV001 # file -s /dev/sda3 /dev/sda3: LVM2 (Linux Logical Volume Manager) , UUID: tMpuckfThYqBmDYqUz2qbktYH22DOBG # file -s /dev/sda4 /dev/sda4: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x82, starthead 254, startsector 2, 15642624 sectors, code offset 0x77 # file -s /dev/sda5 /dev/sda5: Linux/i386 swap file (new style), version 1 (4K pages), size 1955327 pages, no label, UUID=22fa700b-eff8-4aa3-b7ed-a93f6b042bf9 Based on what I see, I am going to take a stab in the dark here. It looks like you originally had an Ubuntu/Windows dual-boot setup, is this correct? Then you tried for a tripple-boot setup of Ubuntu/WIndows/Debian, correct? I'm going to assume yes here for the sake of explination. If that is the case, then very likely, your Debain install used your windows partitions. the 'file-s' command we suggested to you (thanks to Arno for catching my typo) tastes every partition and prints the FS type as output, I do see an MSDOS partition, you can try mounting that somewhere to look at it, but there are no NTFS partitions listed, unless you installed Windows elsewhere on a different drive, it doesn't exist here ... Are you still able to boot into Ubuntu? -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Can't mount ntfs, says: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Jose Legido j...@legido.com wrote: Based on what I see, I am going to take a stab in the dark here. It looks like you originally had an Ubuntu/Windows dual-boot setup, is this correct? Then you tried for a tripple-boot setup of Ubuntu/WIndows/Debian, correct? Yes, all correct I'm going to assume yes here for the sake of explination. If that is the case, then very likely, your Debain install used your windows partitions. the 'file-s' command we suggested to you (thanks to Arno for catching my typo) tastes every partition and prints the FS type as output, I do see an MSDOS partition, you can try mounting that somewhere to look at it, but there are no NTFS partitions listed, unless you installed Windows elsewhere on a different drive, it doesn't exist here ... Are you still able to boot into Ubuntu? The windows partition is sda1. The FAT32 partition is a small partition in laptop to recovery system with original cds. I can't boot into ubuntu :( I think debian installation (may be my fingers.) marks sda1 as LVM Any program to recovery data? Thanks! There are forensic recovery tools available, I cannot speak to them as I have never used them. Maybe someone else on this list could point you in that direction. In the future you might want to boot a Linux LiveCD first and see how a new kernel see's your drives, just to make sure you select the correct devices. If your installing from a Live Environment then then bonus, because you can taste the partitions and install all from the same environment. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Can't mount ntfs, says: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jose Legido j...@legido.com wrote: Hello I had windows with ntfs I installed ubuntu. All ok. Gurb with 2 os, can ran windows and uvuntu and can mount windows partition in ubuntu I installed debian with lvm over ubuntu partition. I can't mount windows partition now, and windows doesn't appears in gurb # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/ mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' # pvs --all PV VGFmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/dm-1 --0 0 /dev/dm-2 --0 0 /dev/root --0 0 /dev/sda1lvm2 a- 113,25g 113,25g /dev/sda2 --0 0 /dev/sda5 vol64 lvm2 a- 113,25g 0 I can't active vg because haven't name, but is not lvm, is only ntfs partition Maybe ubuntu puts in lvm and grub? Any idea? I have a lot of usefull information in Thanks! What does 'vgscan' produce? Was windows installed on it's own LVM? did you load the ntfs module (from the kernel) or did you try to use ntfs3g? 'Ware the user though, NTFS write support with either module is flaky at best, some have reported success, some have not, YMMV. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: Can't mount ntfs, says: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
Reposting to the list, OP, obey REPLY-TO headers or use 'Reply All'. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Jose Legido j...@legido.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jose Legido j...@legido.com wrote: Hello I had windows with ntfs I installed ubuntu. All ok. Gurb with 2 os, can ran windows and uvuntu and can mount windows partition in ubuntu I installed debian with lvm over ubuntu partition. I can't mount windows partition now, and windows doesn't appears in gurb # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/ mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' # pvs --all PV VGFmt Attr PSize PFree /dev/dm-1 --0 0 /dev/dm-2 --0 0 /dev/root --0 0 /dev/sda1lvm2 a- 113,25g 113,25g /dev/sda2 --0 0 /dev/sda5 vol64 lvm2 a- 113,25g 0 I can't active vg because haven't name, but is not lvm, is only ntfs partition Maybe ubuntu puts in lvm and grub? Any idea? I have a lot of usefull information in Thanks! What does 'vgscan' produce? only shows the debian LVM # vgscan Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... Found volume group vol64 using metadata type lvm2 Was windows installed on it's own LVM? No. I don't know who created this LVM! did you load the ntfs module (from the kernel) or did you try to use ntfs3g? 'Ware the user though, NTFS write support with either module is flaky at best, some have reported success, some have not, YMMV. I use ntfs3g: # mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/ NTFS signature is missing. Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': invalid argument The device '/dev/sda1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS. Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around? On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 6:45 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: do an 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' and confirm everything, # fdisk -l /dev/sda Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0xfce09344 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 14784 118752448+ 8e Linux LVM /dev/sda2 29570 30401 6683040 12 Compaq diagnostics /dev/sda3 14785 29569 1187594255 Extended /dev/sda5 14785 29569 118759424 8e Linux LVM Partition table entries are not in disk order but, 'mount -t ntfs ' should work for you. it is possible that sda on ubuntu is showing up as sdb in debian - why you should use labels if you don't. The same problem: # mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows/ NTFS signature is missing. Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Argumento inválido The device '/dev/sda1' doesn't seem to have a valid NTFS. Maybe the wrong device is used? Or the whole disk instead of a partition (e.g. /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1)? Or the other way around? A lot of thanks! post the output of the following commands mount df -h cat /proc/partitions lsmod | grep ntfs uname -a file /dev/sdxX (where 'x' is sda and sdb and 'X' is for each partition. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: file systems
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 04/25/2011 02:33 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Ron Johnson put forth on 4/25/2011 1:25 AM: On 04/19/2011 05:42 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: [snip] XFS beats EXT4 hands down in nearly every category, Including not being able to xfs_check very large filesystems on 32 bit machines. (Which if why I'm going back to ext4.) This is an odd statement given that XFS (on 32 bit archs) and EXT4 both currently top out at 16 TiB. Thus moving to EXT4 gains you nothing on a 32 bit machine, and you lose many advantages. Please define very large filesystems and post the specific error message you received when running xfs_check on this very large filesystem on your 32 bit machine. The fs was approx 3.5TB. # xfs_check /dev/mapper/backup_vg-backup_lv xfs_check: Out Of Memory Total amount of ram, top of top would be handy too -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: list all the devices connected to the router
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi raju.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: I connect my PCs to internet via Verizon DSL router. When I go to 192.168.1.1 in a browser (say firefox), I am able to see all the computers connected to this router. However, from command line is there any way to probe for the list of IP addresses of all the machines connected to the router? thanks You could just portmap your LAN's range (i.e. 192.168.1.0-255) for active IP's. Remember that your router will show up w/ an IP in use as well as each computer you know about on your LAN, so if you have more IP's in use then computers, start hunting *and secure your wireless*!!! -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: file systems
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:21 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 21, 2011 3:28 PM, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: prad p...@towardsfreedom.com writes: are there any feelings or recommendations regarding the above? one possibility i forgot to ask about is zfs using debian/freebsd. i understand that zfs works well with freebsd, so presumably it would with debian/freebsd as well. i'm curious as to feelings on this combo vs xfs with straight debian (which is really what we are leaning to) as we start our research on the matter. Read the kernel docs. It's still unstable as hell on linux IIRC. You also need to take into account that CDDL (The Sun/Oracle Licence) is not compatible with the GNU Licence, so there are legal issues as well (see the ZFS link I initially posted a few days ago.) The whole point of the rewrite project is to have a native (in-kernel) solution that is legally compatible as well as stable (which it's not right now.) -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: file systems
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:09 PM, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net writes: one possibility i forgot to ask about is zfs using debian/freebsd. i understand that zfs works well with freebsd, so presumably it would with debian/freebsd as well. i'm curious as to feelings on this combo vs xfs with straight debian (which is really what we are leaning to) as we start our research on the matter. You also need to take into account that CDDL (The Sun/Oracle Licence) is not compatible with the GNU Licence, so there are legal issues as well (see the ZFS link I initially posted a few days ago.) The whole point of the rewrite project is to have a native (in-kernel) solution that is legally compatible as well as stable (which it's not right now.) ok this pretty well seals things. we aren't thinking about doing debian to support the BSD license (not that i have anything personal against it, but if we're talking 'free', we need to 'stay free' and not play with the idea, imho). so thanks for eliminating the final brick, chris - xfs here we come! CDDL isn't a BSD Licence, it's the licence that's used by what was Sun Microsystems and is now Oracle. The BSD Licence and GNU can co-exists quite well and have for a very long time. CDDL + *BSD Licences are a little more tolerant of each other which is why ZFS was imported into FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. Once the Linux native solution gains some ground stability-wise, they can seek to find some common ground when it comes to the legalities of it. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: file systems
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 9:44 PM, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: Chris Brennan xa...@xaerolimit.net writes: CDDL isn't a BSD Licence, it's the licence that's used by what was Sun Microsystems and is now Oracle. sorry my mistake for thinking zfs was bsd (even after you said it was cddl)! i was confusing it with the fact that you can use zfs via freebsd). thx for the correction. i looked it up and the key point for me is that The Free Software Foundation considers it a free software license that is incompatible with the GNU General Public License (GPL). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License The BSD Licence and GNU can co-exists quite well and have for a very long time. i'd forgotten this largely i think due to some of the hostility demonstrated on the excellent freebsd mailist towards gpl (a few years ago). i guess this is also why you can actually have debian/freebsd then. furthermore, we bridge the incompatibilities perhaps: zfs -- cddl||bsd -- bsd||gpl -- debian(gpl)/freebsd(bsd) i'm not up on the licensing protocols so i'm just guessing here. No worries, couldn't hurt to read up on CDDL[1], *BSD[2] Licences and GNU/GPL[3]. As for your general Filesystem needs, XFS or XFS-LVM is probably the smart way to go. You mentioned something about doing this on USB (solid-state?) storage? You might want to also consider reading up on USB's general policy about write few, read many. In a nutshell, most USB devices don't like to be written to many many times (such as a busy *primary* FS). They have a limited shelf-life of writes )wear leveling) before they go bad (I have an OCZ ATV rubber thumb drive that has suffered this.) This is why they tell you defragmenting SSD's is a *VERY* bad idea, you significantly reduce the write ability of the device.[4][5][6] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Development_and_Distribution_License [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#Advantages_and_disadvantages [5] http://www.bress.net/blog/archives/114-How-Long-Does-a-Flash-Drive-Last.html [6] http://www.corsairmemory.com/_faq/FAQ_flash_drive_wear_leveling.pdf -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: file systems
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:45, prad p...@towardsfreedom.com wrote: we are thinking of redoing our existing servers and workstations in june. our servers is low volume and run out of our home via cable. right now the servers are running freebsd and our personal machines use arch linux, but we'd like to unify everything onto debian because a) we've liked it in the past b) we like the social contract c) we appreciate the no-nonsense attitude about 'free' we are contemplating the fs to use: ext4 (which we've used for a couple of years) zfs (we've heard this is really good) btrfs (ditto - though it's still 'new' and 'lacking' features) are there any feelings or recommendations regarding the above? ext3/4, are probably your safest bet if you want reliability. JFS or XFS if you need something a little faster then ext3, 'ware to operator, JFX/XFS comes with there own risks (especially in power-loss situations). btrfs[1] can't seem to get away from being extremely experimental ZFS[2] isn't a practical choice unless you intend on running (Free/Open/Net)BSD or (Open)Solaris. Also consider that there are hardware concerns with ZFS. Chiefly, lots of ram (+4GB minimum) and CPU cycles (~+2GHz). ZFS is also known to be slow/unreliable on x86 machines so an x64 machine is probably warranted as well. If you are still curious, you can search the FreeBSD mailing list, there is constant chatter about it as *that* port is actively refined for production use in the *BSD environment. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btrfs [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: file systems
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: If it makes any difference to you, I _think_ that there's a windows program that will read ext3; I know it will read ext2. I haven't heard of one that reads ext4. If you don't care about windows, ext4 seems to work fine. (You can read the windows directories from Linux and even cop;y to them, just not the other way around.) Linux Support for NTFS writing, while supported, is still dangerous ... I've trashed or had trashed more then one NTFS partition just from a simple copy to that partition. -- A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Re: New to Linux
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some popular distros (don't limit yourself to linux either). i'd suggest debian, fedora, centos, ubuntu, and freebsd. then get virtual box and have fun. go, install, snapshot and then mess everything up. if you can't figure out how to put it back together again, revert to the snapshot. You'll need VMWare or VirtualBox (VBox is free but because it's not Oracle owned, it's licence might radically change without warning ... If you *really* want to make a project out of it, try Gentoo too, fair warning though, it can be time consuming.
Re: New to Linux
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Peter Beck pe...@datentraeger.li wrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:53 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote: You'll need VMWare or VirtualBox (VBox is free but because it's not s/not/now (Dyslexia first thing in the morning caught me off guard :D) Oracle owned, it's licence might radically change without warning why not KVM ? If your processor supports VT I would go for KVM. Choice I suppose my CPU supports VT and so does VBox, so that functionality is passed to the Guest OS anyway -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org
Re: New to Linux
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Matthews cont...@jpluscplusm.com wrote: They got borged by Oracle, IIRC, leaving them with at least 3 different virtual platforms: virtualbox, solaris zones, virtual iron. Ooo, and maybe one more whose name escapes me. They also bought up Q-Layer, who were *great* ... and then dropped it entirely. OVM - that's what I was thinking of. Oracle VM, a RHEL-based Xen product with a web UI. Not too shabby, but why would you /bother/? ISTR there are some more exceptions than /just/ USB, but can't recall them at the moment. I'd honestly not recommend an Oracle-owned product at this point. They're showing themselves to be too hostile to FLOSS to trust them. And while I /know/ virtualbox is good and useful, the (relatively small!) extra work required to get KVM+libvirt (i.e. virt-manager) going will repay you many times over for the greater control and understanding you'll have of the underlying system. IMHO IIRC, MySQL is another one that has been called into question do to Oracle's resent acquisition of Sun Microsystems Products. As to Shawn's response: per the source of virtualbox - oracle owns it. however, it is all under a gpl type license exept the usb driver which is close source. GPL protect the current incarnation of a project, what's to stop Oracle from release ver5 that *is not* under the GPL licence and the same name? Also keep in mind that when Oracle acquired Open Office, the Sub Developers on the project left/quit the project (to start LibreOffice). GPL doesn't promise future freedom when someone else legally buy's the rights to the source and changes it. That being said, Final versions of a program released under GPL or another F/OSS licence allows that snapshot in time of the code to remain unchanged(9and thus still free for another developer group/project to pickup and continue) These are very real fears being expressed all over Open Source communities, it has been of much debate on the FreeBSD mailing lists as well as Gentoo. -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org
Re: How to run a command as root when I shutdown system automatically ?
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 1:41 AM, Kumar Appaiah a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in wrote: On Tue, Apr 05, 2011 at 11:57:31AM +0800, waterloo wrote: How to run a command as root when I shutdown system automatically ? I use Debian 6 amd64. Searching online led me to this: http://synapse.wordpress.com/2007/03/24/run-a-script-on-startup-shutdown-in-linux/ HTH. Kumar Off the top of my head (and requires debugging) #!/usr/bin/env (ba)sh # (your choice of bash or sh) execute-your-cmd-here shutdown -r now # swap -r for -h if you wish to halt instead of reboot inversely you can 'man (or info) bash' and learn how to use case so you can pass switches to your script ... i.e. /root/bin/your-shutdown-script -r or /root/bin/your-shutdown-script -h If given enough inclination, I might be able to write something in python (albeit it crude and rudimentary but it should get the job done) -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org
Re: [OT] English language
Plz 2 invades ur werdz insteadz! P.S. While this meant to be funny and light-hearted, in reality, not all of us Americans are stupid, dumb rednecks who eye their cousins and farm animals. -- Sent from my Droid (sorry for the top post) On Apr 4, 2011 12:50 AM, Chris Bannister mockingb...@earthlight.co.nz wrote: On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 05:32:34PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Successfully spreading your empire (and thus your language) around the world /de facto/ dilutes your ownership of the language, by virtue of each group you teach it to morphing it to their own needs. Yep, the Americans don't even need to invade the country anymore. -- Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. -- Napoleon Bonaparte -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110404055355.GE19144@fischer
aptitude upgrade
My laptop was off for about a week and when I fired it up today, I ran an update and then an upgrade on my squeeze install and today I noticed this [snip] root@Blackdragon:~# aptitude upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: apache2.2-bin bind9-host dnsutils gdm3 google-chrome-stable host libbind9-60 libdns69 libisc62 libisccc60 libisccfg62 liblwres60 libmozjs2d libnss3-1d xulrunner-1.9.1 15 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 36.1 MB of archives. After unpacking 1,000 kB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n Abort. root@Blackdragon:~# [/snip] So why the hell is apache being installed/upgraded on a desktop install w/ no server services? -- Did you know... If you play a Windows 2000 CD backwards, you hear satanic messages, but what's worse is when you play it forward ...it installs Windows 2000 -- Alfred Perlstein on chat at freebsd.org
