Re: how do I get the you have new mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On August 7, 2003 00:20, Jake Johnson wrote: How do I get the message to say you have new mail at the shell prompt? Is someting looking for a specific directory or file? The pam_mail.so module will also do it at login time. According to the docs anyway. Have fun, Chris -- Regards, Jake Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Plutoid - http://www.plutoid.com - Shop Plutoid for the best prices on Rims, Car Audio, and Performance Parts. - -- A friend of mine used to say that talking to me as like an out-of-body experience: everything's normal then something, some detail, makes you feel like you've left reality behind. -- Christian Lavoie Christian Lavoie, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.christianlavoie.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/MwUY4jJGTt3WJB8RArAoAJ90ApOtTz+/FtFAksxojmCmZMlsEQCfaYtZ GPxRr0wyxLqe255H5m+x/Sw= =jrZP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape crashing -- a lot.
Original Message On 7/22/99, 9:56:55 PM, Adam Shand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: Netscape crashing -- a lot.: Anyway, the problem is that Netscape is quite frequently crashing with a bus error. This usually happens when I close a Netscape window (actually, it happens close to half the time when I close a Netscape window), which is painful because I have to either live with an ever-growing number of pop-up ads or risk a crash. Netscape also crashes when I run very low on virtual memory, with the same error. i'm having this problem as well. it started when i upgraded to netscape 4.6. reverting to libc5 4.51 fixed it but when 4.61 came out with support for glibc2.1 i upgraded and i haven't been able to fix it since. i've tried un/stable 4.5, 4.51, 4.6 and 4.61 and they all break. all of my netscape windows disappear (sometimes) when i close a window or try to login to an site which requires authentication (pop up window style). i was trying to find a pattern among the info people posted but couldn't really see one. did anyone else figure this out? - p2-266 128mb ram - kernel 2.2.9 - glibc 2.1.1-13 - xfree 3.3.1 (vmware 3.3.1 server) - windowmaker 0.60.0-2 - neomagic nmg5 if anyone has figured anything out i would love to know the solution. - 6x86 133mhz 64megs RAM - kernel 2.2.10-ac12 (seen this behavior ever since I switched to Potato, which means glibc2.1 and 2.2.x) - xfree86 3.3.3.1 - enlightenment 0.15.5 (seen that on wmaker 0.52 and up too (i think that was the version I was using)) I've not noticed this behavior on closing any window BUT a navigator window. The bug seems to be common to navigator and communicator 4.5+ (yes, I've seen this on 4.5 too). I used to think for some reason the main process receives the 'close signal' (I'm no a X programmer ;) twice and crashed due to that. From a different perspective, I'd say Netscape stuff version 4.5 and up still has trouble with glibc 2.1. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: mozilla don't run
potato+last packages+kernel2.2.10 Mozilla M7 won't run on neither RH6.0 nor Debian 2.2 (I presume this to be related to glibc :), though you *SHOULD* see a Segmentation Fault message appearing. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: Why is Windows faster ?
No flames to you:-) My personal experience differs from yours. However, recognize that X is a network GUI as opposed to Windowz which is an integral GUI. Even on a single workstation X is running as a client/server model. Essentially every keystroke, mouse event, screen draw action, etc. must traverse all but about two layers of the OSI model. So the amazing thing is that X performance is so comparible to Windoz. Don't forget that also: a) The widget set is unique (therefore takes less resources than having multiples sets running at once) and way less complete or featureful (can I say bloated without having to wear an asbestos suit? =) b) The graphic system under windows is (if I'm not completely screwed) a kernel-level implementation, whereas X is user-level. (And much more network-aware, (can I say bloated for home-users? =) as it was mentionned earlier) Also: Xanim is not made by the same guys who make the actual CODECs, which can end up to worse performance. Some CODECs under windows and Mac employ a few tens of people (on a regular basis I mean, OSS projects can actually boast hundreds of contributors in some ways =), whereas Xanim is developed by a handful (although I'm not rock-certain on that one, I *think* it's that way). Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: Window Maker
trying to get Window Maker working and I can't figure out what this means: /usr/X11R6/bin/WindowMaker fatal error: could not open display It means that the wmaker executable couldn't find a X window server running or that it can access. I take it you are typing that on a console. (DOS-lie command prompt) Therefore, wmaker can't find a running X server. (Even if one already is running. It checks only in the TTY you are, right now that being a console) If you DO have a X server running, type 'wmaker :0' (without the quotes, as you probably had figured). That's a nice trick to start programs from a console to a X display. But then, a windowmanager just isn't any kind of program. There is a automatically ran script when X starts and that command should be put there. If you used dpkg/dselect/apt (read: the wmakersomething.deb file) to install wmaker, that has already been taken care of, and all you need to do is to start X and wmaker will start on its own. I get that when I type wmaker at my prompt. I've just configured my display, so I don't know how to save that as my WindowMaker default display. Any suggestions? If I recall correctly, you'll be in the OpenLook windowmanager by default. Find an empty space on the desktop and click one of the buttons of the mouse (i don't remember which one, try all of 'em =). There should be an option to switch to windowmaker. (That change also should be permanent, if nothing goes wrong) Thanks muchly :) PS Yes this is my first Debian install, so I'm a newbie! Bah, we've all been in that newbie club once in our life. There's no shame in that =) Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: Debian Updates?
Hi all, Ok, I'm a little confused on how updates to the Debian system are supposed to work. I hope someone can help me figure it out Well, let's at least giveit a try =) So what determines an r release? The Debian pages say the current release is at 2.1r2. How do I know if I have an r2 release? Are the r changes automatically rolled into the stable dist online? I *think* r releases affect the install process only, since the updates must be making it in the apt-available updates. For example, Slink was delayed because of troubles on the install-floppy. If those problems had some leftovers discovered only after slink was released, we'd put up a 2.1r1 release. Though I'm not rock-certain on that one. What about security updates? I've added deb http://security.debian.org/ stable updates to my sources.list file but I see that not all the security updates are in security.debian.org but rather some (like procmail) are still in proposed-updates. a) Security.debian.org is kinda pretty new. So, it might just not yet be up-to-date, or some packages might have been uploaded to proposed-updates before security.debian.org was created. b) security.debian.org deals on SECURITY. Holes that hackers can use, things that can have malicious users to abuse your comp. Etc. (READ: Things that'll make your boss mistrust his employees). It has been created to deal with with these issues as quick as possible. Not to resolve 'normal' updates to Debian. How does proposed-updates differ from unstable? Proposed-updates are going to stable distrib. Unstable aren't. Speaking of unstable. What if my favorite package of foo-1.0 gets updated to foo-1.1. Will that package ever make it back into the stable tree or will is belong to the unstable tree until that whole tree becomes the next stable release? If it's going to remain in the unstable tree is there a way to automatically get apt to show it, *and* offer me a choice of the unstable foo-1.1 or the stable foo-1.0? I assume that if I add an 'unstable' entry to my sources.list file I will have essentially initiated and update to the unstable tree - I don't necessarily want that (yet). Most of the time, some major changes occur in unstable. For slink-potato, we change the libc6 package from glibc2 to glibc2.1 Although a minor version number, it has introduced lot of changes in real life, and warrants on its own a new Debian distrib. (IMHO) The problem being, almost every single package depends on that one. So, if you would want to update foo1.0 to foo1.1, you might have to update libc6 as well. (And since glibc2.0-2.1 isn't always source compatible, there's some real chances you WILL have to update) Once you updated to glibc2.1, you might have to update other packages, etc. etc. etc. I hope you'll excuse my meandering confusion with this question. Thanks, Marc -- Marc Matteo Web Engineer, The Sacramento Bee http://www.sacbee.com We're a newspaper, we don't actually own any bees. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: ICQ programs for Debian GNU/Linux
I have it installed and I get this when I try to start it in KDE: gnomeicu type = 0 exid = (null) ** CRITICAL **: file applet-widget.c: line 655 (gnome_panel_applet_corba_init): assertion `panel_client != ((void *)0)' failed. ** CRITICAL **: file applet-widget.c: line 699 (applet_widget_new): assertion `corbadat!=NULL' failed. Sounds like you don't have the gnome-panel/orbit installed. ** ERROR **: Can't create applet! It isn't a big deal, since I have Licq and it works. Nothing ever is a *big* deal, but we're here to answer questions anyway =) thanks No problem, Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: ICQ programs for Debian GNU/Linux
Hi! Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know what are the good packages for ICQ people use in Debian. Timothy Hospedales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried most of the ICQ clones available and I find that micq is the most stable! Perhaps, but I have micq Version 0.3.1 and it lacks chat support. I don't know if any newer version has. add|ct|on [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally i prefer either kxicq Is it an ICQ clone for KDE? or licq (for x, anyway). i've had no problems with either losing messages or userlist entrieson meyet. I also have LICQ version 0.43, and I loss messages that comes from email (You know that anybody can send an email to an ICQ user at uin@pager.mirabilis.com). Perhaps a newer version has fixed it. Does anybody know? I think it is related to the fact that e-mail messages requires the v5 protocol, which licq doesn't implement yet. (I don't use licq anymore, I may be wrong) This is because e-mail messages can be longer than the pre-v5 characters limit. Anyone caring more than I =) about licq is welcomed to investigate and report to the maintainer. With LICQ you have chat, and you can see the colors, but you aren't able to colour the screen you are typing it. But I don't mind. GnomeICU is doing most what ICQ98 was doing on windows. Chat (no more than 2 though, but that's the next update I think), File Transfert (alpha state. Works but crashed the client afterwise. (GnomeICU v0.64)) messages, UINs (beta state, has some troubles with v5 clients). From past personnal experience, I'd say gnomeICU and licq are the two most advanced ICQ clients for linux, and ICQ-Java the most 'stable' and feature-full. (Mark that stable with a great grain of salt) Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: ICQ programs for Debian GNU/Linux
For GnomeICU, I would have to switch to Gnome, from KDE, correct? As far as I recall, Debian allows for havin' both KDE and GNOME installed at the same time. And anyway, you shouldn't need all of gnome. Most probably the basic libs, and of course gnomeICU itself. You shouldn't *need* to switch. I think you *should* switch, but that's flame war bait =) Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: Potatoe - usable ?
Patrick Colbeck wrote: So what the consensus of opinion, is potatoe usable at the moment ? I dont mind some problems but is it reasonably stable ? i upgraded from slink to potato (via dselect/apt-get) an my system runs suficciently well. ther was some trouble during reboot, can't realy rememer what. had to run in single user mode, recompile and reinstall a new kernel (2.2.7.), then tings worked. there are still some minor problems i havent traced. Potato, as compared to slink, is 2.2.x based, and some packages had to be changed accordingly. I'd think that once changed, those package break 2.0.x 'compliance' in some way. (Though maybe not making it completely unusable) As fot the original question: I've been using potato since slink was released, and it's just perfect so far. A few glitches (apache-ssl still won't start, don't ask why, I don't have time to investigate anyway =P ) but I still can praise linux for its stability over windows ;) Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: StarOffice 5.1 SOLVES Glibc 2.1 (potato) incompatibility
Where are you downloading is from. On www.stardivision.com the download area is closed. Sean wrote: no it's not, I'm downloading SO5.1 right now . . . I'm at 75% -- woo hoo! Sean Pollywog wrote: On 20-May-99 Bernard de Rubinat wrote: StarOffice 5.1 (just released) works with potato. When you install, it will complain that it does not find glibc 2.0.7, just ignore as you have glibc 2.1 (with potato). As a proof it works, I'm writing this very message under SO5.1/potato. I just found the download site, but it is closed for a day or so. Use babelfish to fight your way around the german pages. Worked for me anyway. On the glibc compatibility, StarOffice seems less stable using glibc2.1 than it was the days I had slink/SO50, my guess being they haven't yet finished coverting it. In particular, the threaded view in my Inbox has crashed 3 times in the last 5 minutes, and viewing e-mails unthreaded is ugly, IMHO. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: StarOffice 5 and Potato
On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Brad wrote: By putting together ideas from a few posts here and in linux-kernel, i've managed to get StarOffice 5.01 working on my Potato box. Now, i have two problems: 1) i know it works on my box. But what about anyone else's? 2) If it does work, what do i do to let people know how to do it? Just letting it sit on my hard drive unused by anyone else doesn't sound too appealing... 2) How about writing a 'SO5 and glic2.1 Mini- HOWTO'? Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: [off topic] new apt ?
Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those are very old screenshots of apt (originally named deity). I have no idea if they still resemble the current apt. More or less. Isn't apt a command-line tool though? If not, how does one run it with a GUI? I made myself unclear there, sorry. The apt_x.x.x.deb package contains apt-get which is the command-line tool you are referring to. As far as I'm concerned you can use it in an xterm ;) The same pacakge also contains the dselect apt method. Its simply putting apt's power under the 'friendly' dselect interface. I think it indeed blatantly use apt-get as it's backend. (Or the same libs) The gnome-apt_x.x.x.deb package (needs 'more or less' a recent gnome, an is available on the gnome-staging areas) contains gnome-apt, which is what those screenshots represent. It's only a GUI, which uses apt-get to do all it's real work. (and of course dpkg) Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: IDEA:Offical Debian Support Team?
I believe that support for Debian is very important and is something that should be investigated. However, I believe that it may be difficult to combat an over-commercialized distribution if you start pushing for professional 24X7 commercial support. The kind of support that corporate business requires is of the commercial variety. List serves and news groups don't quite cut it for the corporate world. But I don't see any reason why the HP's or IBM's couldn't include Debian as one of the distributions they support. Kurt There's one major reason. You can't have a free distro to be what you want it to be. If HP wants Red Hat to work on this or that, or 'help' Red Hat be more compatible on HP's machines than on Sun's, it's feasible for them to settle an agreement with Red Hat, SuSE gets less support from HP than Red Hat, and Sun's gets less advertised than HP's. Welcome to the corporate capitalism world. *sigh* -Original Message- From: Person, Roderick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 4:48 PM To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' Subject: IDEA:Offical Debian Support Team? Hey guys, I've noticed a lot of vendors jumping on the Linux bandwagon and and starting to offer support for thier system that run Linux. But, it seems that it is only for SUSE, Redhat, Caldera and TurboLinux. WHY NOT DEBIAN? Is it because we are not commercial? And if so, I propose a Debian support team. I love Linux and Debian and I want to see it grow and live. But, it seems that if only the commercial distro get support Debian my lose developers and disappear. This would sicken me! I believe Debian to be the best of the distros (I have used Redhat and Caldera). Although it not what I call pretty (graphic set install and adminastration), it is far more stable, flexible and all out better. This is something that concerns me and I would hate to see Debian lost because of not being commercial. Just thoughts. Any comments? Is this stupid or what? This is far from stupid. It's not the first time someone mentions such a thing. (In fact I did a few months back =) First, the real problem with that, is that Debian is mainly maintained/worked on/anything by volunteer *progammers*. (Developers, coders, whatever you call it. Those who makes the .tar.gz that comes with the .dsc and .diff) And not many of them (dare I say not a single one fo them) is interested in giving 24h7d tech support to guys in a remote country. Second, Debian faces a few other troubles to enter the commercial world that leads today's world is resumed in the three statements that follow: Red Hat Linux was created so that the creator could earn more money. Same applies to SuSE, Caldera (could argue it's been created to hurt Microsoft.), TurboLinux, etc. Debian, Stampede, Slackware (not sure, ain't really knowledgeable about that one) have been created to answer their founders own personnal itch. HP, IBM, understands the two first statements better than the last one. And they knows how to make cash with Red Hat, how to get favors from them, how to influence Red Hat. Thirdly, let's say: HP creates an idea to earn more cash. If it can give more cash to Red Hat Software, it'll be in next's RHLinux. If it's not worth the megabytes it's saved on, it won't make it in Debian, and HP is losing money... Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: RPM on Debian
Urban Gabor wrote: someone has mentioned in these lists that installing alien packages from .rpm can be dangerous. I'd like to know more about it, so please write some pro's and con's. PRO: - You get access to non-Debian-packaged stuff. CON: - The package isn't configured for a Debian system. From past experiences, Apache, MySQL and SAMBA headers files are not at the same place from distribution to distribution. Although this example is unlikely to affect bianry packages, things can get worse quite easily. Think of a few major libs misplaced, or misconfigured, and your riding. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: [off topic] new apt ?
Those are very old screenshots of apt (originally named deity). I have no idea if they still resemble the current apt. More or less. Gnome-apt Is similar, but have a right pane with more thorough information about the currently selected package. Other than that, it's more or less accurate. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: too big packages?
I'll see. I think that I've got the docs of pkzip. But can the debain zip-uncompressing program handle the chunks, provided I can make them with dos-pkzip? Since pkware released a version of pkzip, you should be able to use that as a backup resource, if unzip cannot.
Re: Linux and Partition Magic
Hello Debian-user, I have Windows and Linux on my HD. As time has passed I now prefer my Debian installation and seldom use Windows (big surprise, eh?:) Nope, same here. ;-) I want to expand/move my Linux partition and I do have Partition Magic on my system. Will using Partition Magic harm my Linux installation? I use LILO as bootmanager to boot both Windows and Linux. //Christian I've been using Partition Magic 4.0 (previous versions don't sport linux support, IIRC) for a few times right now, and the only time it did had some troubles (altough it handled them quite perfectly) was when I forgot to fsck a badly unmounted partition. (PM continued it's job, finished, and I fsck'ed the partition after. Everything got repaired and life continues ;) Other than that, I never had any single trouble with PM4. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
StarOffice troubles with 2.2.x
I recently switched to a 2.2.2 kernel. I also tried to install IP masquerading on 2.2.2, and later tried to remove it. Since then, StarOffice won't connect to my pop server, although Mutt will. Any ideas why?
PHP3 debugger
How come I can't use the PHP3 debugger??? Everytime I try I get: Fatal Error: Call to unsupported or undefined function debugger_on() in /url on line 10 Here's a snippet from my php3.ini file and the actual code I'm using... where's the semi-colon I forgot? ;) [Debugger] debugger.host = 127.0.0.1 debugger.port = 1400 debugger.enabled= True ? phpinfo(); debugger_on(127.0.0.1); ?
PHP3 debugger
How come I can't use the PHP3 debugger??? Everytime I try I get: Fatal Error: Call to unsupported or undefined function debugger_on() in /url on line 10 Here's a snippet from my php3.ini file and the actual code I'm using... where's the semi-colon I forgot? ;) [Debugger] debugger.host = 127.0.0.1 debugger.port = 1400 debugger.enabled= True ? phpinfo(); debugger_on(127.0.0.1); ?
Re: WindowMaker themes - Debian packages
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel Burrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Over the weekend, I wrote a script that converts WindowMaker themes to Debian packages automatically. (the themes have to follow wm.t.o's packaging policy). I think it would be useful for other Debian users but I don't really know what to do with it. Wooo another one! Diversity is strength... I've done one as well, although it doesn't do downloading and other features... I've also got a GTK theme convertor for gtk.themes.org... I'm intending to package them once my maintainer status is cleared- but that'll be after slink arrives, at a guess... http://www.arise.demon.co.uk/debian/ for anyone interested (.deb and .dsc/.tar.gz). I wonder... Could/Should this be a part of apt, as a method? Apt-get install-theme-wm mytheme What you guys think? Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Few ideas
I've been pondering on Debian's future more and more, and I've wondered if: 1) The package system could switch on something more source-based. I mean, there have been a few discussions on optimizing packages. (Debian-i686) On a compile it yourself, the package can hardly be more optimized to your computer. So get the source packages then. :-) As far as I know, source is available for everything as that is a requirement for getting into the Debian distribution. You can download source packages, or get them from a CD vendor. The source is on a separate cd. I know it's available. Hey, it's GNU/Linux! =) My point is whether we could make this a standard part of apt/dselect/dpkg along with .debs
Re: slashdot poll
From what I've heard so far, something in-between linux kernel configuration (menuconfig, xconfig) and a Win95's Wizards like interface is what is primarily wanted from new-to-linux guys? Christian
Re: Find
I can't say I'm a grep whiz but I don't think it will do what I'm looking for. For example if I'm looking for a certain word in a long text file, the file is loaded in an xterm window, will grep find the word and place it in front of me highlighted? In windows I hit ctrl+f, I get a pop up that allows me to enter a word, search for the word up or down and the program places it in my view. This is not an inbuilt feature of windows, it is implemented in the application which controls the window. For example, you won't find a search in paintbrush. It's not REALLY a feature of windows. But it's a quite simple one to implement, and you've got access (as a developer) to some explicit source code. (Argh. Sounds like I'm talking about porn-code) What is the point of the question you asked?? Well, acutally, I'd say he was looking for a find command. =P Could such a thing be implemented widget-set wide? I mean, could a single program search through all gtk-based text editors currently opened? Or does this need some modifications to GTK? How eays could it be done? Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uin: 947212
Few ideas
DISCLAIMER: I've haven't take a look at the .dsc (Debian SourCes files, right?) I've been pondering on Debian's future more and more, and I've wondered if: 1) The package system could switch on something more source-based. I mean, there have been a few discussions on optimizing packages. (Debian-i686) On a compile it yourself, the package can hardly be more optimized to your computer. Maybe something CVS-like, with snapshots taken by the package maintainers every time a few major things have been put in and tested enough. Then packages would enter the well-known stable-dist approval tests. On a good architecture, source-packages would eventually be a simple rule-sheet applied to a CVS tree. (Put that binary there, symlink this to that, etc... ) The main idea would be to conceive a single main architecture for easily portable source, to the more and more ports needed by the whole Debian project. (Linux-i386/alpha/sparc... and Hurd, who'll probably someday become Hurd-i386/alpha/sparc... you get the point? ;) ) But then, that can easily become a MAJOR overload on the already hard pressed FTP sites. And probably will need a more powerful database engine running behind apt/dselect/dpkg. And at least a few months to conceive correctly, BEFORE starting to code. But has such a major change some future? 2) Anyone ever thought of Debian (GNU?)/BSD? Is the BSD licence compatible with the Debian policy/requirements? Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: Find
Does anyone know if there's a program like the find program in windows? It allows you to search for a key word in most windows you have open, it finds the word, takes you to the word and highlights it. Do you mean in text files? grep Actually, I think it's more something like: If you are editing something in an editor, and you search for 'foo' then the program will point you to all 'foo's in your currently opened editor sessions. I don't know it exists, it would indeed be quite useful, but, it can at best be widget-restricted, no? Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
RE: slashdot poll
On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:57:39 +0100 (MET), Paul Seelig wrote: Redhat is a distribution geared at ease of use. That's why Linus himself uses Redhat and not Debian. Debian, IMHO, is easy to use. Very easy to use. From what I've heard RedHat is harder to use. From what I've seen on this list so far, I'd say: Debian's harder to install. One guy mentionned he could install Red Hat in less than 15 minutes. Hard to have something fully up at that speed with Debian. Debian's way easier to maintain. Apt, dselect and dpkg are marvels. In the same way, Debian's easier to upgrade. So, in those comparative reviews, yes, we DO are disadvantaged. What they look at is: How easy are the 5 first day of use. They forget about the 360 next that'll really show the Debian power. Christian Lavoie
RE: slashdot poll
DISCLAIMER: I never used any other distribution than Debian. All what I say about others is gathered from the many things I've read about those dists. Debian's harder to install. One guy mentionned he could install Red Hat in less than 15 minutes. Hard to have something fully up at that speed with Debian. A liar, for sure since a reasonable install would take more than 15 minutes, much less fully up to speed. To contradict it here is a person, me, who had a hell of a time getting Red Hat to install but has no problems, at all, with Debian and I FTP install each time over a modem. Well, installation is Red Hat's power. And that guy maybe didn't had installed something you and I consider a major thing. (Like network or X) But then, Red Hat IS quicker to install than Debian.
Re: [debian] debian.org gone?
I've been having a few troubles myself... Was able to connect, but any download (read: apt-get upgrade =P ) over 20k would end up timed out. I'd say one of the internet backbones had one helluva backache. Christian Lavoie
Re: ftp driver for Apt-0.30 missing
Running slink and upgraded apt 0.1.9 to apt 0.30. Using dselect-apt with /etc/apt/sources.list pointing to an ftp download site will give an error message that the ftp driver is missing from /usr/lib/apt/methods. Any idea why it's missing and how to resolve it. Currently I am getting around the problem by specifying a http download site instead of an ftp site. I put back the old driver and saw it wasn't working. Conclusion: they changed things a bit and haven't quite had the time to update the ftp method... I guess we'll see it RSN. Christian
Re: netscape on Debian, libc5 or libc6?
Hi, I have followed the netscape installation instructions (generic linux) and all is unpacked and the install script completes OK. But netscape will not run. It is missing the libraries libg++.so.27 and libstdc++.so.27. These are present on my Debian system (2.0) in usr/lib/libc5-compat. Therefore, I assumed that netscape is libc5 only, and redirected library loads to /usr/lib/libc5-compat (using LD_LIBRARY_PATH). This found the libc5 versions of most libraries, and the libg++.so.27 and libstdc++.so.27 that are ONLY in the libc5 directory. But this showed that a library libXpm.so.4 was not found. This appears to be only in the libc6 set (/usr/X11R6/lib). All this tracked using 'ldd netscape'. This is very confusing. Is netscape libc5 or libc6? If netscape is libc5, then is there a libc5 version of libXpm.so.4 somewhere? Am I totally off the track here? The netscape they officially support is libc5. Though you'll easily find a libc6-based one on their ftp site. I'd say go for glibc version. (Yeah, I know, another 16 megs... I did the same mistake myself anyway. ;)
mod_auth_mysql
Has anyone a working version of mod_auth_mysql? ./configure screws with the following: loading cache ./config.cache checking for gcc... gcc checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no checking whether we are using GNU C... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking whether gcc and cc understand -c and -o together... yes checking for ranlib... ranlib checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for crypt.h... yes checking for crypt... no checking for crypt in -lc... no checking for crypt in -lcrypt... yes checking for standard DES crypt... yes checking for extended DES crypt... yes checking for MD5 crypt... yes checking for Blowfish crypt... yes checking for Apache module support via DSO through APXS... no checking for Apache module support via DSO through APACI... no checking for Apache directory... /usr/local/etc/httpd configure: error: Invalid Apache directory - unable to find httpd.h under /usr/local/etc/httpd I need a .so file or a way to compile mine, please. Christian
GNOME vs KDE, or how to have best of both worlds?
I'm trying to figure out how to get both gnome and kde working on the same computer. I already have a working gnome desktop (pretty outdated though... should see to it) and I'd like to check out KDE too. What's the best way to do it? Ideally, I'd be adding another Xserver running. Something like making another one accessible on Alt-F8. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Deb...
I guess I'm not getting the point of going coporate with Debian. As far as this discussion has gone, the only benefit in forming a corporation would be distribution/marketing. I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that Debian programmers tend to do more upgrading and enhancing than other dists. Further, the support seems to be far superior with Debian. What is the big problem with Debian distribution now? Each dist. offers different methods of doing the same thing - I kind of like the fact that there is a user oriented organization. If you want to go the corporate route, get Red Hat. If not, stick with Debian. What's the problem? As far as I'm concerned, the problem is that I see that the Debian dist, a great one (if not the greatest) for technical and ethical reasons, cannot face the publicity and marketing power of commercial linuxes. Because of that, it will lose 'market share' in front of commercial linuxes, causing interest in Debian to slowly fade away. And that will force it to become less and less developed, as compared to the others dists, and I'll lose the dist I prefer. But as the discussion evolves, I'm more and more thinking that going for-profit dist will simply kill the essential spirit of Debian. Christian Lavoie -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Debian goes big business?
DISCLAIMER: These are notes, and can have technical impossibilites (especially concerning '.deb'ianizing of StarOffice) Ok, here's the sum up: - Debian will lose its spirit if it goes itself for-profit. - A for-profit corporation based on Debian itself will eventually try to influence/own it. (Consequences: See previous comment) Bottom line: Debian should remain developer controlled. To preserve a kind of user support, we should create a DUA, which would have to do some/all of the following: - Provide single user free of charge support through internet. (email/newsgroups/knowledge base/whatever) - Provide corporate support, at a cost (cause they think it's better to pay it anyway), with the usual things sucha thing includes (on-site, 24 hours a day, programmation capable team to adapt a product) - Work head-to-head against RedHat/Caldera/SuSE for publicity on Debian and promoting .deb packaging of things like StarOffice/WordPerfect - Certification of technicians proficient in installing Debian/scripting and maintaining of a Debian system. - Be rentable, so it can re-invest back in publicity. - Cannot influence Debian developers more than the Debian users it deserves would influence it. (Meaning, you don't pay programmers, but you can kindly ask them for a bugfixe/feature ;P ) Bottom line: Co-operative society/stores based on users, democratic voting, no shareholding, all votes equals. On a side note, if a user-based co-operative society forms, would a developer-based society of the same kind be appreciated? It could for an example provide acquisition of patents (basically, to GPLized them) and work to allow developers for better recognition, allow to access better resources (like an equivalent to a membership to W3C, or other reserved to corporation bodies thingies.) and tries to augment developer communication and tries to 'enforce' major headings of the dist. (Like, say, we're switching to libc7) Christian Lavoie
Re: Debian goes big business?
To preserve a kind of user support, we should create a DUA, which would have to do some/all of the following: - Provide single user free of charge support through internet. (email/newsgroups/knowledge base/whatever) - Provide corporate support, at a cost (cause they think it's better to pay it anyway), with the usual things sucha thing includes (on-site, 24 hours a day, programmation capable team to adapt a product) - Work head-to-head against RedHat/Caldera/SuSE for publicity on Debian and promoting .deb packaging of things like StarOffice/WordPerfect - Certification of technicians proficient in installing Debian/scripting and maintaining of a Debian system. - Be rentable, so it can re-invest back in publicity. - Cannot influence Debian developers more than the Debian users it deserves would influence it. (Meaning, you don't pay programmers, but you can kindly ask them for a bugfixe/feature ;P ) Sorry replying to my own post, but how about the following: - Paying guys to maintain deb packages, package unpackaged software? High-school/college students would appreciate a lot, IMHO. Although not highly rewarding, it does include some technical knowledge, and proves some proficiency in compiling and ocnfiguration of Debian systems. Christian Lavoie
Re: Win98 and Debian
You should have no problem in Win-Linux interactivity...they will not interact at all, but you can mount and read/write to the windows partition (basicly, access the files on your C drive, just not execute them). However, thats not possible when working in Windows ( to access Linux files) Hmmm.. Actually, there's some driver made for Win95 (so it *should* work in 98) that allow the reading of an ext2 partition. Although at version 0.16 or 0.17 (both are available and have different (dis)advantages to use) at http://www.yipton.demon.co.uk . I've been using them, and although I think they are causing some little glitches here and there, there's no ext2 loss of data or anything more than an annoyance to deal with. Bottom line: pretty useful to seldom access a Linux partition when you've screwed something. (Nah... I don't speak out of personal experience... =P ) Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Christian Lavoie wrote: I starting to think this whole mess started on a word understanding problem. I wouldn't name such an organization a 'corporation', =P Written by someone in a Europeanish timezone ^ Looks like my timezone is screwed up, 'cause I'm Canadian. Since corporation is the legal term for the type of entity I am describing, I don't see what's wrong with calling it a democratic corporation. Written by someone in a North Americanish timezone ^^^ I thought Companies were owned by their shareholders. But I'm British. So do I. I hope Debian is international. So it might be worth using carefully some clearer terminology to discuss these issues? Debian IS international, AFAIC, and because of that, we are facing terminology problems, even in English 'versions' close as Canadian/American. Let's just take on our own to make sure the main topic of a message is clearly outlined by more than s ingle term. Esperanto anyone? Christian Lavoie
Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]
My point is that this company would one day tries ot improve it's revenues and influence the Debian distribution to fits its needs. Look at the recent discussions about whether to ship Slink as i386 only, or to wait until m68k and others are ready. If Debian had been commercially distributed by a company, the choice wouldn't be taken on a 'How can this help the Debian dists and end-users' basis, but on a 'How can we get the most bucks' basis. You're thinking in traditional terms. Someone decides these issues now, right? Those exact same people would be in charge of this corporation. They would not be interested in the bottom line, but in what's best for Debian. The word corporation scares a lot of people because of what it's come to represent. But how a corporation is run is decided internally. Just because there aren't any democratic corporations doesn't mean we can't start one. I starting to think this whole mess started on a word understanding problem. I wouldn't name such an organization a 'corporation', =P This new democratic Debian corporation could sell shrink-wrapped Debian CDs right next to Red Hat CDs, hopefully cheaper. Combined with Debian's advantages over Red Hat and word-of-mouth, Debian could possibly eclipse Red Hat. Even if it doesn't become the best-selling distro, it could still sell enough to give the developer's jobs. I'm not sure if this would be considered a for-profit corporation or not. No one's really raking in any profit, most of the money is going back into Debian and paying for the packaging and such, but some people are getting paid, so I'm not sure. I can see only two changes in Debian due to this corporation. Development would (presumably) go faster because the developers are getting paid, and Debian would become more well-known. I also liked the idea that someone suggested earlier, that people could pay dues into this corporation and get a vote. A democratic corporation indeed. This may sound radical, but we'll never know if it will work unless we try, will we? Nope. But it does indeed sounds real good. How can we do so? /--\ | pretzelgod | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | (Eric Gillespie, Jr.) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |---*| | That's the problem with going from a soldier to a | | politician: you actually have to sit down and listen to | | people who six months ago you would've just shot. | | --President John Sheridan, Babylon 5| \--/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: DPKG
I was wondering... (And this probably already has been mentioned but anyway), why wouldn't DPKG/APT/DSELECT use a real database server like mySQL/mSQL/PostgreSQL/... to keep it's own database? Because a database has to be set up, as well as taking a significant amount of space that simply isn't available on the installation floppies. dselect/apt has to work as soon as the base system is installed. If you introduce a complex product like a RDBMS, there's just too much extra that can go wrong. Good point. Another one is that many low-end machines don't have the horsepower or disk space to run dpkg/apt with an sql server. We need to keep Debian as lean mean as possible. Actually, not all of dselect's methods work right out of the floppies. Neither does most of Debian's 1500 packages. But I think that to ALLOW, and not FORCE, dpkg to access a database server could be of use. Think of it on large networks where the admin must sync a few key packages, or in places where identical machines are a necessary, or highly appreciated thing. My point is that it actually can be quite useful to do, yours is that it's quite stupid to FORCE things that way. The hell with it, I'm fully agreeing with ya. ;) Does anyone really uses weekly all of dselect's methods? Why then would one use maultiple packages databases? I think were arguing on a 'one fits all' vs a specialized solution. Anyway, once you've got a database server installed, I think it should be a great thing to use, since anyway, next re-install is in a few decades. ;P Christian Lavoie
Re: Browser with CSS1 support.
Hello, I'm looking for a web-browser that would handle CSS1 tests, provided by w3.org. I tried Mozilla ( slink .deb ), and, despite the claims of www.mozilla.org, tests were not 'passed'. Are there any suitable browsers? Emacs-W3 also claims CSS1 support. W3's own Amaya also has some support (but it shouldn't pass the tests, AFAIK) Christian Lavoie
DPKG
Where can one find information on the kind/location of the Database dpkg/dselect/apt uses to do their work? Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Re: DPKG
All of the dpkg info is in /var/lib/dpkg. All of the files are plain text files, use less to look at them. APT stores its cache in /var/cache/apt. The files appear to be binary. There is a debian-dpkg and a mailing list, try checking out the archives of that. Also, there is a mailing list for apt, its debian-deity. I was wondering... (And this probably already has been mentioned but anyway), why wouldn't DPKG/APT/DSELECT use a real database server like mySQL/mSQL/PostgreSQL/... to keep it's own database? We could keep the readability of the data, and add all the power of a database server behind it. Has this been done or is it complete crap? (I think there could be trouble when dpkg tries to update the database server but there should be a way around it...)
RE: Debian's public image
First, thank you for trying to get a Debian port official. Now for my opinions (= Linux is Linux. I get tired of seeing people say they will support Slackware, or SuSE or whomever. Make a decent linux product, give a tar.gz or a static bin, and move on. There should be no reason to specifically support any one vendor. As to why they think of SuSE or RedHat the answer is simple -- they are marketed products. The RH advertising even tries to blur the fact that Red Hat is a brand of Linux and not Linux itself. My point is not to bash anyone company but to explain why. Name branding and recognition is important for commercial applications. Hence Red Hat == Linux so I should buy Red Hat and all will be well. Debian seems to be a secret among the Linux users. So many of them get roped in with Slackware or Red Hat they never attempt to try another distribution. The cure is not simple. Debian is a cooperative effort across the internet. For it to be truly recognized by the world at large would require that which most of us don't want -- a business. However watch the free software people. The DFSG is touted as the example of what free really is. I see many people refer to this document. So yes many people may be missing us, but others are not (Netscape, Corel, Gwydion to name a few). Many Debian people are happy to have a superior dist. without dealing with marketing and bureacracy, I among them. No other group has the e-mail support we do. No other group has the irc assistance we offer. I had to use a RH 5.2 system today and it did not even support bzip2 (either the command or the option to tar). If your company does release their product, the slackware or the RH version will probably work just fine on a Debian system. A static bin like netscape's is almost guaranteed to work. Keep that in mind. Of course, we all want to see source, but ... For my own 2 cents: I think Debian is more a Linux developer toy than anything else. Mind you, that's far from being a problem. Who'd you prefer to trust? Red Hat's marketing guy's toy, or a source-code hacker's toy? My choice ain't that hard ;) Debian doesn't get easy 'official' support simply because companies like to talk to companies. The problem here is not against Debian, or Linux, or whatever. It may not even include cold cash. It's just that, ultimately, if a company supports Debian, it gets the feeling to support anti-corporatism behavior, to act against itself, against the world they live in, the way they are used to think. This gets us back to the old philosophical question: Corporation rights against end-user rights. Big money against 'patchy, unsupported', MONEY-UNRELATED projects, but full-working, technically superior code. (I had to flatter ourselves a bit, didn't I? ;) I think your company suffers from what I like to call, the blues. They are seeing that their world is crumbling, and they just don't like it. So they're are going have to 'revenge' (even unconciously) on Debian, which is the Flagship of the FSF. Christian Lavoie P.S.: Anyone up for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DPKG
Christian Lavoie wrote: I was wondering... (And this probably already has been mentioned but anyway), why wouldn't DPKG/APT/DSELECT use a real database server like mySQL/mSQL/PostgreSQL/... to keep it's own database? Because a database has to be set up, as well as taking a significant amount of space that simply isn't available on the installation floppies. As an option on the CD/downloadable dists? dselect/apt has to work as soon as the base system is installed. If you introduce a complex product like a RDBMS, there's just too much extra that can go wrong. I don't think we should REPLACE the whole thing with a database driven solution. Let's keep it like dselect's methods. Just a highly complex method, made to work on largely distributed networks or other things like that, or where a server already is in place. To plug my other posts, we could even sell access to such a database server on the internet, and use that to feed the starving FSF's bank account. My point is that on full-grown systems where installation is months or years ago (and next installation is in decades), such speed improvements could be quite a good thing.
Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]
I don't think Debian is usable to found a company on that. No company can actually control Debian, impose release dates and such needed things (for a company). Even if it's feasible, no company ever SHOULD have such rights, for Debian to keep it's spirit. You are thinking in the wrong traditional terms. It's not about controlling Debian or imposing anything upon anyone. A company based on Debian would need a different business strategy. Just take into account what a company like Cygnus is doing for free software! A company basing it's business on Debian Linux should ideally be composed of Debian people and would mainly care in making Debian known as a viable product on the wider market. Generated income could be used to give full time jobs to Debian developers who could then fully concentrate on Debian for a living. This could probably help increase the release frequency and would provide a financial framework for Debian. At the moment it's really a pity that mainly third parties are generating income mainly for themselves and i believe we would considerably benefit if a company would do the same specifically for Debian. Wouldn't you like to be paid working for Debian? My point is that this company would one day tries ot improve it's revenues and influence the Debian distribution to fits its needs. Look at the recent discussions about whether to ship Slink as i386 only, or to wait until m68k and others are ready. If Debian had been commercially distributed by a company, the choice wouldn't be taken on a 'How can this help the Debian dists and end-users' basis, but on a 'How can we get the most bucks' basis. So I think my argument still stands. We can't allow for someone to sell Debian itself, it shall at every cost stay uninfluenced by any other corporation. What we could do in this approach would be to found a non-profit organization (I think that's the place you and I are touchy) that would do sidejobs on Debian. As for what it could do, let's see this example list: - Education and testing of Debian consultants. Guys who would debug you're system for a fee. Kind of certification of proficiency program. - Debian books and other such things. Maintain a support site. - Centralized support, phone, e-mail, whatever. - Shrink-wrapped, Cds with other useful apps. (Like Caldera's partition magic pack, or pre-installed Office apps, etc.) It would be in the goals of such an organization to provide publicity and availability to the Debian dist, and to re-invest in that particular dist. Which would get us a great deal of what we still need: Money support.
Re: SQLs Servers in Debian
On Wed, Jan 13, 1999 at 02:52:49PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 1999 at 04:27:30PM -0400, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: I have some questions: 1) Is there any frontend gui to postgres in Debian Hamm or Slink or Pota to? 2) Is there any frontend gui to mysql in Debian Hamm or Slink or Potato? If you've got the correct requirements installed, give a try to phpMyAdmin (for MySQL) Does it make much sense to have a generic gui frontend to an SQL db? Usually you would want something specific to your database/application. It does to me. Ask yourself, does it makes much sense to have a generic SQL language, usually, you would want something specific for your database/application... ;) To me, it's just a different approach than command-line SQL statements. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PHP3 Installation. (Trouble #2)
Title: PHP3 Installation. (Trouble #2) Having found out that the problem was caused by Apache's magic necessary-modules loader, I went to try to connect to mySQL. Here's the output: Fatal error: Call to unsupported or undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/index.php3 on line 13 Is it me or is the mySQL support absent? How can I fix that? Christian Lavoie
Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)
I agree I've been a bit too harsh. Maybe they actually do care (and they probably do, at least the programmers) about the community. But's let's face it, their bank account is the number one priority on the list. Just don't forget that only those who do have an adequate income can give back adequately. You can't buy anything at all just with moral attitudes lest further any developer's work. Agreed. I never said I'm against Red Hat. =P I just think Debian fits my beliefs way better. so much. But then, without any single technical reasons, I'd rather see Debian as THE major linux player than Red Had, Caldera, SuSE or Slackware. Please feel free to start up a company to sell Debian and generate some income from this. Any surplus can easily be reinvested in making Debian and it's cause even more a reality. Morals only can't buy nor sell anything. I *really* hope someone would stand up and found a Debian company. So if you think you can... I don't think Debian is usable to found a company on that. No company can actually control Debian, impose release dates and such needed things (for a company). Even if it's feasible, no company ever SHOULD have such rights, for Debian to keep it's spirit. To me, Debian is the real free linux BECAUSE no companies have whatsoever control over it. The FSF is the only one that can actually influence Debian, and I don't think we can compare the FSF's control on Debian to Microsoft's control on Windows, or for that matter, Red Hat's on RH Linux. Like I've said before, there's no technical reasons involved in my choice of Debian. (Well, now that I know what I'm speaking of in terms of dists differences (more or less), there are =) ) I chose Debian for 2 major reasons: - It's the first dists I heard of (www.quake2.com, sometime last year) =P - It's not influence by a particular company. Ultimately, it's not a money-maker. Christian Lavoie
Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)
This is BTW one of the weakest points of Debian. It is not very visible as a product and it is comparatively hard to purchase a Debian CD set on the normal market. Third party vendors unfortunately have probably a hard time to plan ahead with Debian given the uncertain release frequency. I think it's mostly due to this fact that Debian is not really catching on at the free market. No product no gain. I'd wish someone would stand up and start a Debian centered company for a living just for the sake of making it a more viable option on the CD market. How would this company value add? I don't like this idea at all. I'd prefer something like Debian benificiating (spelling?) from an organization like one expressed the dream of. (Red Hat going non-profit based) The best way we can help Debian, is to find financing thingies for the FSF, so that it may invest in publicizing Debian and it's other projects (which also deserve quite a lot of respect... Berlin, in particular seems to hold a great future). I don't know what yet (I'll sleep on that and come back again tomorrow on this subject), but I think we should invent ways for the FSF to compete Microsoft's bank account. (Hey, one can always dream for it's beliefs! =P ) Christian Lavoie
PHP3 Installation.
Okay, here's my newbie question of the week: I've installed the php3 packages (php3, php3-mysql-apache, php3-doc; names aren't accurate, they just represent what I needed) and actually want to build a page using mySQL, and PHP3 scripting (what a weird plan with such packages, I know.) To go right to the poing, whatever browser I use (ns4, ie5) it tries to download the .php3 file instead of seeing it as an html file. Where must I intervene?
Re: file managers
Jay, If you like Windoze Explorer, try Linux Explorer (explorer). They look very much alike! :-) BTW, the Linux Explorer has been renamed to X-Plorer (Other than linux support) and hasn't been updated in quite a long time, especially for a linux thingie. But it's a good way to ease the windows to linux process. Christian
RE: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)
Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yep. But, IMHO, it has something to do with the feeling that if you work for Debian, you're working for the community, including yourself. If you work for Red Hat, you're giving money to someone who doesn't care about YOU, only it's bank account. Actually, that's the feeling I get. I agree with your point mostly. I would much rather contribute to a non-profit community that I belong to than to a for-profit company that I am not a shareholder of. My only quibble with your point is that I get the impression the RedHat guys do actually care about more than just profit. Now you could be cynical and suggest that they are only pretending, and only contribute to the open software community in order to keep in the good books with linux users and hence help their bottom line. But is it not possible that they genuinely do appreciate what linux has done for them and want to give back to that community? I agree I've been a bit too harsh. Maybe they actually do care (and they probably do, at least the programmers) about the community. But's let's face it, their bank account is the number one priority on the list. I was intending to say: Let's not forget we're not their first priority. Ultimately, we'll lose if they got to choose between money and the community. I don't blame the RedHat people for wanting to start up a company. People have to eat, and if you want to earn an income from working on Linux, then starting a linux based company is probably the way to do it. Agreed. I can't blame linux companies, especially Red Hat whose giving back so much. But then, without any single technical reasons, I'd rather see Debian as THE major linux player than Red Had, Caldera, SuSE or Slackware. I'm a strong moral supporter of Debian and all those single floppy linux dists. Why? Cause I beleive they ultimately are the one that promotoe free things. Nota Bene: Although Debian states free software as modifiable software, my own personnal definition also encompasses the cost. I'm a student, and I face my budget every other day. =P I have a suggestion for RedHat however. Now that they are well established, why don't they turn their company into a non-profit organisation in which there are paid positions? That is, RedHat would continue to charge similar prices for CDs and support etc, and this money in turn would be used to pay the salaries of employees, but the organisation as a whole would not seek to make profit. All RedHat users could apply to become members of RedHat (and perhaps pay membership fees) in exchange for voting privileges and discounts etc. I think it'll stay a dream. A quite beautiful dream, one must confess, but a dream nonetheless. Christian Lavoie
Re: Disk maintenance
On Sat, Jan 09, 1999 at 09:49:11PM +, Christian Lavoie wrote: I've got a single ext2fs partition, so it is the root partition. That's the one I need to defrag/scan, so even having it mounted as read only won't help. (At least for the defrag) So as far as I can tell I need either: - A win95/dos based tool to defragment a linux partition (yeah right) - A floppy (or CD-ROM) based dist that won't access my HD at all. (And has the adequate tools) - Another computer with linux installed. (Forget it) - A way to boot without any root partition. But then, how does UNIX administrator were dealing with such issues? How can one scan and/or defrag a ext2fs? Hmmm. I think you should be able to defrag the root while it's mounted read-only, as long as the defrag tool knows to flush the cache afterwards. You can fsck the root while it's mounted no problem. You're right for fsck, but not for defrag. So the problem still stands.
Re: RH vs Debian (Switch to Red Hat ?)
I have found that there is much more packages available for debian than there are for Red Hat Isn't it odd ? Given that there are much more RH users then Debian users (3:1 ratio ?), how can it be ? Are there more programmers who use Debian then those who use RH ? Are all of this packages constantly maintained by both a Debian developer and an upstream one ? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Probably has something to do with the open development architecture of Debian. 100+ debian developers outnumber the redhat 'core' developers. Yep. But, IMHO, it has something to do with the feeling that if you work for Debian, you're working for the community, including yourself. If you work for Red Hat, you're giving money to someone who doesn't care about YOU, only it's bank account. Actually, that's the feeling I get. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.2 ready ? (APT holding packages back. Way off original topic)
Slink works, over here (I think I have mostly slink installed now, SANE is the only packet I know is potato, and a loot of other package are still hamm. Apt-tells me that it is holding back a bit over 100 packets.) BTW: Why in hell does sometimes APT holds packages back? Last time it happened to me, it was a gnome build. I think it was having trouble between libungif3g and giflib3g. What was going on? [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disk maintenance
What is the best way to defrag/scan disks? Mounted disks can't be defragged, and you can't umount the root partition, can you? [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disk maintenance
On Sat, Jan 09, 1999 at 01:32:02PM +, Christian Lavoie wrote: What is the best way to defrag/scan disks? Mounted disks can't be defragged, and you can't umount the root partition, can you? I don't know how to defrag a disk (you rarely need to anyway), but the following would work, for checking as well. Either boot up the system in `single' or `emergency' mode (at the LILO prompt, linux single or linux emergency). emergency in particular will mount the root read-only and enter single user mode. (I think single will mount all file systems read-write, and still enter single user mode.) Or you can shutdown the running system to single user mode; shutdown -h now will get you to single user mode. Then unmount partitions, and remount the root read only with mount -o remount,ro -n / To get the system back to multiuser, you can either reboot, or remount everything read/write and exit the single user shell. (I think the system goes back to multiuser in this situation). If you forget to remount as read write, it'll enter multiuser mode with the disk read/only, and you won't like that. Hmmm... I've got a single ext2fs partition, so it is the root partition. That's the one I need to defrag/scan, so even having it mounted as read only won't help. (At least for the defrag) So as far as I can tell I need either: - A win95/dos based tool to defragment a linux partition (yeah right) - A floppy (or CD-ROM) based dist that won't access my HD at all. (And has the adequate tools) - Another computer with linux installed. (Forget it) - A way to boot without any root partition. But then, how does UNIX administrator were dealing with such issues? How can one scan and/or defrag a ext2fs?
Re: Switch to Red Hat? No thanks...
I've managed to teach people to install debian, it took an afternoon to do and these people didn't know anything about Linux before they started. I thought myself to install Debian in a day. Never saw Linux before that day, and I successfully installed it twice so far (a friend of mine got hooked to... Hmm... I hooked a friend of mine.) The only real problem with installing Linux is that you don't get the habit as quickly as you would using Windows. =P As for Debian vs Red Hat packaging, there always is Alien if it really is THAT bad. John. -- John Stevenson, Objective Alliance: www.oa.nl Its grip'd, its sorted.. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Will slink ship with 2.2.0
In the new site section (called release info, on the main bar at the left of www.debian.org) it's said that it's gonna be in January 99. As for the Kernel 2.2, I don't think so, yet since the 2.1 kernel works quite fine, I don't see anything preventing you from upgrading slink to k2.2 asap. Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] attachment: winmail.dat
RE: Why?!
Yes, as a server, Linux is successfully competing against WinNT and others. I personally don't believe Linux is ready for Joe Blow the average Win user, however. Depends on your definition of a Joe Blow user. The definition of Joe Blow user I'm using is a person who doesn't care about the software on his system. He only cares about getting his work done and doesn't care about the software he uses to do this. This person, more than likely, thinks MS stuff is best because 'their the only game in town' and 'you can't go wrong with M$'. He doesn't know about Linux or other OSs besides Win, because, since he got Win with the machine, he thinks Win *is* the only OS that runs on his machine. This person will flee screaming from a CLI. Yep, but this kind of person is the easiest to make switch to Linux, once it has understood that there is something else. At first, when you said Joe Blow, I was thinking about someones like my one of my pair of grandparents. One his highly interested administering his locality and golden age reunions, and the other one wanted to do genealogy. They called me, and we discussed what they needed. Ended up with a powermac. Were you you using slink at the time of the infamous 'locales' problem? I can vaguely remember 2 other problems that plagued slink Yep, I have. I also faced the GTK+ thingie (but since I'm doing my finals right now, I haven't even corrected that one... just plain too lazy) and those other bigs things. Okay, I'm no Joe Blow user, and I can face a command line. (For example, don't event hink about my grandparents using command-line things) That means me to say one thing: You were right about the use of Hamm for the basic user. It *never* crashes (users of the frozen/unstable dists already solved bugs for ya, unless for EXOTIC hardware combination). recently. This mailing list made fixing the problem relatively easy (I got the solution to the problems from this list), but I was still forced to spend a significant amount of time fixing these problems. I think its very reasonable to skip 'unstable' all together, and only update against the latest 'frozen' or 'stable'. On the other hand, one of the last problems occurred after slink went frozen. All I'm saying is updating against 'unstable' will likely cause many people grief and frustration. Once again depends. I am pretty new to Linux itself, but I got a good background of Win95 and DOS administration. So I installed Linux, and jumped in the early frozen dists to face troubles. I wanted to. But I agree, I can't think of a really good reason to update a whole system on an unstable branch. You're guaranteed to crahs the system at one point or another. (Or at least to have half of it stop working overnight) Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 947212 BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Lavoie;Christian FN:Christian Lavoie NICKNAME:The Moose ORG:LogInnovation;Administration, Personnel et Production TEL;HOME;VOICE:(514) 746-7830 TEL;WORK;FAX:(514) 746-7521 ADR;HOME:;;5620 Louis-Hémon;Tracy;Québec;J3R 4Y3;Canada LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:5620 Louis-H=E9mon=0D=0ATracy, Qu=E9bec J3R 4Y3=0D=0ACanada BDAY:19810807 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:19980709T012239Z END:VCARD
RE: Why?!
When I first bought a computer it had Windows 3.0 installed; I too disliked it and switched to DOS, before moving to Linux a few years ago. When I bought a laptop recently it had W95 preinstalled and I decided to see what it was like. I found it actually harder to install things in W95 than in Linux, presumably because I wasn't used to the W95 approach. I also found it irritating, patronizing, and afflicted by baby-talk (My Computer), and as I hate computer games anyway apart from chess I've deleted the thing. But it was an interesting experience to try the alternative. The thing is that Windows 95 is NOT built to the 'standard linux user'. The SLU often wants total control, doesn't fear command-line or 'error: 3' things. Microsoft's way is evident. They wanted cash. So they needed to sell as many copies as possible. To do that, they needed something even a 'Where's the any key?' user could use. And here's Win9x. The fact is, now, I don't think that a 'Where's the any key?' user is best using a Win95 machine instead of a Macintosh, or even Be (although I have absolutely no experience using it, it looks both powerful, and user-friendly, with emphasis on user-friendlyness). So conclusion: Guys, don't worry. In the next 5 years, will see the fall of Microsoft's empire. - Linux and FreeBSD are attacking Microsoft's server plans. Real bad for WinNT. Eh, why do you think they decided that everyone should use NT? They needed to improve it's name. They know we're there, and that we'll be a tough opponent to knock down. They are going to use whatever they can, and that means brand recognition and marketing power. - Java is growing stronger and stronger, and more use of Java means less OS dependancy. Bad for microsoft. Real bad. - And last, Be and Macintoshes are growing stronger (or coming back, ;) ) and will probably take the newbie users. And these are the ones that really put Microsoft at what it is with win95. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] 947212
RE: WP 8 Problem
What? Do you mean you got gui00.gz, gui[1-6]0.gz and not GUI[0-6]0.GZ files? You didn't, like all the others who mentioned this, get Upper-Case files? That's exactly what I mean. I downloaded gui0-6.gz AND guilg00.gz and got all lowercase file names - using IE 4.01 (yah, on my Win95 box). Indeed, Win95, IE4 and Office 97 all find you are too stupid to know how to capitalize your files and often do it for you... Just to make your life easier Anyway, what kinda stupid filesystem does take account of capitalized letters? (Translated in understandable english and quoted from a technical support message I had from Microsoft a few months back) Christian -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: WP 8 problem
The free download version is in fact _very_ useful for anything which is plain text/tables/etc so long as you don't need equations or drawing capbilities. I couldn't have said it better myself. However, it would have been fair dealing for Corel to make the true limitations clear beforehand. I think that in ALL European countries people pay by the minute for phone connections, and getting WP8 cost me at least $5 (equivalent). Once again, right to the point. I don't think Corel were straightforward about this. Their Web page said the download was a Fully functional word processor (which it isn't, even compared with WP-5.1 -- i.e. equations, though you can still import grahics e.g. jpeg); and that the commercial version would include in addition Advanced drawing and charting applicationsd with online Help -- no mention of equations, and Advanced suggests that Basic drawing and charting applications would be available. Corel has done exactly as one should have expected. They published a fully functional word processor, which didn't contain any of the fancy things one can expect from a full-fledged office suite of apps. Corel stated those facts in a way that makes you want to download the program, test it for yourself, and when you find that those things you nned to be really productive (for the college student I am, doing it's physical sciences studies, equation handling is a required thing). The fact is, Although it's a full-fledged word processor, WordPerfect 8 for linux is intended to promote the sales of Corel's WordPerfect Suite. Now that this is said and done, I'd like to add a last thing: It's free guys. You don't have the right to complain. YOU made the decision to download it, and pay the phone bill. It's not Corel's fault. And if you aren't used to being 'tricked' (this is hardly a trick, but anyway) like that, you aren't living in the same world I am. EVERY single company in the world wants you to pay them. They are going to use all tricks possible, and permitted by law. Even giving you freely a powerful app as WordPerfect is. BTW: I have nothing against Corel, I downloaded WordPerfect 8 and I am pretty satisfied of what it is. It is what I expected all along, something to make them earn even more money. You can't be unaware of that. Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212
Swap partitioning
Figuring out that StarOffice5 is too much a resource hog (actually, SOffice + mp3 + 12 or 13 netscape windows, etc. etc.) for my current config, I've decided to add another swap partition to my Linux. I setup'ed (is that a word?) lilo and everything... Booted and took a look at 'top'. Oh surprise, NO swap memory. 0k. (See attached file) Revelant specs: Linux partition is: /dev/hda7 Current swap: /dev/hda8 New swap: /dev/hda9 64megs of RAM 1) Will adding another swap partition really help SOffice? 2) Where does I configure Linux to take account of swap partitions? 3) How many swap partitions Linux supports? Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] err Description: Binary data
Swap Partitioning
Figuring out that StarOffice5 is too much a resource hog (actually, SOffice + mp3 + 12 or 13 netscape windows, etc. etc.) for my current config, I've decided to add another swap partition to my Linux. I setup'ed (is that a word?) lilo and everything... Booted and took a look at 'top'. Oh surprise, NO swap memory. 0k. (See attached file) Revelant specs: Linux partition is: /dev/hda7 Current swap: /dev/hda8 New swap: /dev/hda9 64megs of RAM 1) Will adding another swap partition really help SOffice? 2) Where does I configure Linux to take account of swap partitions? 3) How many swap partitions Linux supports? Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: screenshots?
What's the best way to take screenshots in Debian? I work for a big Web site about computers, and we're starting to look at and care about how our pages look under Linux/Netscape. If you don't intend on something fancy (like OpenGL screenshots or such things) The Gimp can do screenshots. (http://www.gimp.org I don't think you need the URL, but anyway) Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Lavoie;Christian FN:Christian Lavoie NICKNAME:The Moose ORG:LogInnovation;Administration, Personnel et Production TEL;HOME;VOICE:(514) 746-7830 TEL;WORK;FAX:(514) 746-7521 ADR;HOME:;;5620 Louis-Hémon;Tracy;Québec;J3R 4Y3;Canada LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:5620 Louis-H=E9mon=0D=0ATracy, Qu=E9bec J3R 4Y3=0D=0ACanada BDAY:19810807 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:19980709T012239Z END:VCARD
Dream linux computer?
What is a linux dream computer? I've finally put aside a couple of bucks, and I'm wondering: What's the ultimate linux computer today? Which video card is the best (which one does the most, 2d/3d/mpeg/tv; ideal is a 3dfx) ? What sound (3d?; ideal is an aureal) card? What laptop is the best deal? The Moose UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Piped unpipable output [Xserver troubles]
I'm trying to get a xserver (either svga or agx) on a XGA-2 chipset. The server specifies it's for the ISA bus, but I'm stuck with a PS/2 with a MCA bus. After everything is configured (correctly, AFAICT) the 'startx' show me the following output, anyone knows what's wrong (or for that matter, what is the server saying?): XFree86 Version 3.3.2.3 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: July 15 1998 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.0.35 i686 [ELF] Configured drivers: AGX: Accelerated server for AGX graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) (using VT number 7) XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: keymap: xfree86(en_US) (overrides other XKB settings) (**) Mouse: type: PS/2, device: /dev/psaux, buttons: 3 (**) Mouse: 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) (**) AGX: Graphics device ID: IBM Stupid Video Card (**) AGX: Monitor ID: IBM PS/2 Stupid Monitor (--) AGX: Mode 1024x768 needs vert refresh rate of 86.96 Hz. Deleted. (--) AGX: Mode 640x400 needs vert refresh rate of 85.08 Hz. Deleted. [...] [ I SHORTED THIS, Christian ] [...] (--) AGX: Mode 480x300 needs vert refresh rate of 72.07 Hz. Deleted. (**) FontPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/us r/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/ X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 giving up. xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error.
Debian CDs.
What's is the best place (on-line) to get the Slink CDs when it's out?
RE: Piping unpipable output. [Now that it's piped]
As you were probably expecting, here's what was piped! =) Any ideas what is going wrong? Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 947212 STDERR Description: Binary data STDOUT Description: Binary data XF86Config Description: Binary data
Piping unpipable output.
I need to write down the output (actually, I need the error message) that the startx command gives me. (The nice 'startx err' doesn't work...) I installed the Xserver_agx (and all it needs) on a PS/2 system recently, but haven't yet been able to get the X server to work Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Just My 2 Cents
Hey All, Just venting. Recently I check out the Linux apps wish list web page! I though that it was mighty funny that the software that most people want to see ported to Linux is made by the big nasty Microsoft clan. Personally, I hate M$ and was glade to find Linux. If it wasn't for Linux I probably would have only used my PC for games, which is about the only thing I WindBlows is go for (IMHO)! Two things: First, I must agree, I've seen that bsod once too much in my life Second, let's not get to M$ sucks because M$ sucks kind of arguments, please. It seems to me that most Linux user feel the same way. I always read threads on the evil M$ or how bad Windblows is etc! So can someone tell me why the Hell everyone wants M$ apps ported to Linux - Doesn't that defeat the purpose!!! Well to me it does. Actually, I think more and more people are wanting Microsof-like applications, because the Microsoft philosophy has some good ideas, especially when you are a end-user. Let's assume hardware requirments are not an issue and that there are NO SINGLE BUG in any of those so-called apps. the philosophy behind Microsoft thingies is pretty appealing to users. A single interface, compared to Linux' buttload of window managers and widget sets. I agree it's a Linux advantage on Microsoft on many points, but not to the newbie, or seldom user. Let's take the Windows' IE and Office integration as an example. In the basic, it's a great idea. You get to do everyday tasks more easily, the appropriate tools are more handy and more and more softwares can use those apps as subsets of themselves. You get a serie of to-be-powerful tools that are imposed as standards, guaranteeing that your knowledge is to be preserved from task to task. Now my point is: Microsoft has some great ideas, and it would be a shame to spit on those ideas simply because they are Microsoft's. I'm the first to acknowledge the fact that a monopoly will eventually kill the software market, and having the choice of a single suite of apps is not the philosophy we want behind Linux. (That philosophy being the freedom of choice) I think the way to go as a community would to form a regroupment which would define standards on how such suite of apps should behave and output, and let the programmers do their job. Let's have a central brain which coordinates everyone's effort in a single place, to get the most out of our anarchy-based development model. The greatest example of such an app is Gecko (the latest Mozilla 'semi-official' build). It's simply is an internet-document renderer, yet it'll aimed to be used in things other than a browser, like HTML E-mail readers, help systems and other things that way Doesn't that sounds familiar? Yes, it does. Microsoft did the same with IE, Office and Visual Studio. At the center of Microsoft philosophy is to convince users to use their software. At the basis of ours, it's to allow users to choose, and modularize the OS and suite of apps environment. Microsoft actually did good things. It simply never did them for the correct purpose. Just ranting. Thanks Linus. Rod. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Just My 2 Cents
Christian Lavoie wrote: Actually, I think more and more people are wanting Microsof-like applications, because the Microsoft philosophy has some good ideas, especially when you are a end-user. [...] Let's take the Windows' IE and Office integration as an example. In the basic, it's a great idea. You get to do everyday tasks more easily, the appropriate tools are more handy and more and more softwares can use those apps as subsets of themselves. You get a serie of to-be-powerful tools that are imposed as standards, guaranteeing that your knowledge is to be preserved from task to task. Now my point is: Microsoft has some great ideas, and it would be a shame to Well, I disagree. Personally I dislike massively integrated applications like Outlook and Explorer. They are too big, too slow and too complicated (to use and maintain). And I'm convinced that my knowledge of how to use Outlook will be obsolete in a few years because MS (or any molopoly) has a vested interest in *not* having standards or letting thier tools be integrated by someone else. Looks like you are not the clueless newbie I was talking about! =) Seriously: Without gettin' on a your opinion vs mine, I think modularized OS-integrated (up to a certain point. I'll be the first to support NOT to include those parts in the kernel!) Office-life suite of apps is a good thing. First, you get a set of standard apps. There's one way to edit text, and whatever text it is, it's the same way... Sounds like TeX/LaTeX? Second, by integration, I meant like having them more handy, and more disponible. If you integrate MSWord in the Windows explorer and the only result is haveng a executable of 6megs, I agree it's the wrong way... But with today's dynamic loading technology, I don't think that being able to view a MSWord file in the file browser is bad. Actually, it's a great idea, IMHO. Third, I never said there should be a *single* suite of Office apps (and I probably never will). But having a certain amount of resemblance and standardization would make Linux' difficulty of use way less important (still for newcomers). I'd wager that the single biggest reasons that Unix has survived and prospered over the last 20+ years is not because of it's design as an OS but because of the software design philosophy of it's interface. Paraphrased, it goes something like this: Create small programs that do a single task and do it well. Support a common communication mechanism so that each of these small programs can be used together to solve complex tasks. That could easily apply to a good suite of apps the way I'm thnking about them. you get a component that edit text, that is highly specialized in editing text, and you get to re-use that. Now, that this very component is itself componentized still is possible. This is certainly the future direction of software development, once integration and obsfucated standards as a business model (which a monopoly will certainly want to employ) are overthrown, or more likely, crumble under it's own weight and complexity. Current Microsoft standards are too weighty and complex because they are not built upon existing proven standards. The internet was not built in a single day. Yet Microsoft is trying to impose it's users too big things in too less development time. Having complex standards is not an issue, but we need to have them working, and for that, they need a powerful, flexible, and PROVEN base. Microsoft is trying to re-write the whole industry in it's own way... Let's just hope it never succeeds.
IBM PS/2 troubles. (And maybe a bit of ranting)
I've got to set up Debian (hamm) on an IBM PS/2 system. It's a 486sx with 16mb of RAM, the bus's a Microchannel (MCA) one and the video chip seems to be a XGA-2 Display Adapter /A (directly on the motherboard). The drive bus is SCSI, and a few other marvels I haven't figured out. I can access a DOS prompt (linux is on /dev/hda5, which is in turn under an extended partition, /dev/hda4). My friend has bought it second-hand so no manuals nor any useful references are available. Here're the questions: - How can I get the max of information from the machine? (Model number or such things) There are no indications on how to reach the BIOS when booting. All I see is a memory test, and tada! it's already on the OS part of booting. - Where can I find useful docs about that? (except the obvious SCSI howto) - The XServer of choice seems to be either SVGA or AGX. Which you'd recommend? Also, the SVGA xserver (haven't yet looked at the AGX) specifies that it's configured for XGA-2 chips on the ISA bus. Is there a workaround to have it work on a MCA bus? - How stable/performing is the 2.1.13x kernel MCA bus code? How much can I rely on that code? - How much of a performance hit can I expect on compilation jobs from a kernel math emulator? - Where in hell can I find a dos-working version of Emacs? The most-recent/used and linux-version-like please. =P Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Partition Magic 4.0
I am about to install Debian 2.00 onto my PC with Windows 95 already on it. I want to pre partition hard drive with Partition Magic 4.00 since Powerquest Corp claims that v4.00 fully supports Linux's ext2. Has anybody used Partition Magic 4.00 to create ext2 partitions and does it work correctly? Thanks Roman Malinowski Worked flawlessly, on two different systems. This product is a must. Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Can't dselect or apt !!
I just had this problem. Downgrade dpkg and apt to the versions in frozen. See recent discussion on debian-devel for more... -Mitch I recently 'upgraded' my system from hamm to potato. Unfortunately, I was targeting slink and much of the system is down right now. Where can I find some info on mass-downgrading?
libgtk trouble
I've just finished installing Debian Potato. (Upgrading from Hamm) Although I'm at the latest versions of the gtk libs I could find I still get an error message. (See attached file) Which package contains that file? Or where can I find it? (Please refer to a .deb file) err Description: Binary data
Dpkg serious troubles.
I decided to use dselect (prime time) to update my debian install a few other things. (teTeX and apache... wanted to try them out) A 49megs download was awaiting me. I left it alone most of the time, but used some bandwidth here and there. I managed to crash the keyboard (would not respond to *any* keypress) and windowmaker (0.20.2. The screen was shifted by one inch to the left). The problem is that whatever package I try to install I get and error telling me that md5sum gave a bad output 'insert toaster's serial number here'. What that means and how can I fix it? The consequences are pretty bad so far: I'm out of Xserver! Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: #9 Revolution 3D AGP card
Hi, Does anyone know if this card with the T2R chipset works with xfree86?? I've checked the xfree86 site. They state they now support the chipset, but I can't find much else on it. The #9 Revolution 3D card doesn't show up the the Cards database. Is Ticket to Ride a company alias for some other chipset? I think the Ticket To Ride is what you're looking for... Give a try to this server, shoudn't hurt. Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WARNING: Newbie questions ahead.
1) Is there a way to boot from command-line (without pressing CTRL-ALT-DEL). 2) From within the X server? (pressing CTRL-ALT-DEL doesn't reboots. Just has the speaker beeping.) 3) What does the message [x11amp: can't load library libXpm.so.4] (without the braces, obviously) EXACLY means, and can one elaborate on it a bit? (Where to set the library used by the dynamic linker, what causes the problem and how to solve it and such) 4) Where can I find the HOWTOs archive? Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: StarOffice
the Linux part? It's a binary that links to standard source code; there is no linux code in it. It would be a civil criminal copyright violation to distribute the binary without permission What I mean by the Linux part is that there IS a version freely available. I agree there's no real part of linux in StarOffice. Copyright laws applies when things are free?
RE: StarOffice
I'm not sure what you mean by 'Linux part'. What will hopefully happen is someone building a .deb installer for it, like with Netscape. Actually, it was more or less what I had in mind.
RE: StarOffice
StarOffice runs as good on Debian 2.0 as it does prior versions. Please file this message and pass along. It seems that every week someone asks how to install StarOffice, and fails to look back through the archives of this mailing list. Why doesn't someone make .deb files out of the package? This would forever put and end to the StarOffice messages. (Hoepfully) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: StarOffice
StarOffice is probably non-free, thus no one besides the company who created it can legally redistribute it. There a few side-solutions then: - Debian community asks StarDiv the permission - StarDiv does it on its own - There's a script used to install StarOffice 3.0 The same could? be done for 4.0 and 5.0 Now, for legal matters: Since StarOffice isn't free, we can't theorically distribute it. But the Linux part of it is. Which takes precedence?
Quick question on screen depth
How can I configure the SVGA Xserver to use a 16bpp resolution by default? How am I supposed to switch to such a resolutio anyway? I haven't yet been able to use anything else than 256 colors res. The Moose UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Midnight Commander
Where can one find the Midnight Commander (GNOME version) 4.1.35 .deb files? Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: X Windows: Installation questions
My relevant system specs are: Logitech FirstMouse 3buttons Logitech mice rule ;) There is something else? =) S3 ViRGE 325 PCI video card Canopus Pure3D 3Dfx accelerator 3D card Azura JEN0B00 monitor Here are my questions: 1) Running xf86config, How can I find what to answer to the RAMDAC question? Um do you NEED to? Generally I leave that one unanswered (answer Q I believe) I don't know if I need to, so I asked anyway. And yes, the answer's Q. 3) After goign through the entire xf86config process, (and givin no answer to the RAMDAC question), the config file is broken, and the xserver does not recognize the line Viewport0 0. What does that line mean, and what is the problem? can you do this... Nice trick... Is there something like DOS's prn to send to the printer in Debian? startx 2 err This will log the errors into a new file err...then post the contents of it so we can see the error? the relevant lines from the XF86Config file woul dbe apreciated also. Both files are disponible at the following addresses (for a *whopping* 30k): http://free.prohosting.com/~themoose/ERR http://free.prohosting.com/~themoose/XF86CONF Sorry, I should have done that the fisrt time. 4) What X client is favorable, I mean, is there one in particular gaining attention and support, or is it just personnal taste? I am not sure what you are asking? Man progrmas could be considered X Clients in fact... every program which uses X is an X Client (since the screen itself is the Server). What specifically do you have in mind when you say X Client? What would be the most like the Windows' Shell. (Or LiteStep. See following question) Can you elaborate? Sure, see previous comment. =) 5) Since I'm using Litestep (http://www.litestep.net) in Win95, I'll probably be using AfterStep in Xwindows, Where can I find the wharfs/*.app things? Christian Lavoie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X Windows: Installation questions
I've just started initiating myself to Linux, and I have a few questions installing the XWindows system. My relevant system specs are: Logitech FirstMouse 3buttons S3 ViRGE 325 PCI video card Canopus Pure3D 3Dfx accelerator 3D card Azura JEN0B00 monitor Here are my questions: 1) Running xf86config, How can I find what to answer to the RAMDAC question? 2) Looking through the packages site, I found that the SVGA server is favored over the S3V server, Why? 3) After goign through the entire xf86config process, (and givin no answer to the RAMDAC question), the config file is broken, and the xserver does not recognize the line Viewport0 0. What does that line mean, and what is the problem? 4) What X client is favorable, I mean, is there one in particular gaining attention and support, or is it just personnal taste? 5) Since I'm using Litestep (http://www.litestep.net) in Win95, I'll probably be using AfterStep in Xwindows, Where can I find the wharfs/*.app things? Yours Truly, Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
