Re: flashplayer v10
Brad Rogers wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:09:45 -0600 gary turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello gary, The last upgrade of flashplayer-mozilla to v10.0.12.36-0.4 (amd-64) from v9.0.124 killed flash for me in all browsers. I tried removing and re-installing, but no joy. I found I was still using v9.0.124 (or seemed to be) until I copied libflashplayer.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins. Maybe that will fix your problem. The only things I found were /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/npwrapper.libflashwrapper.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/npwrapper.libflashwrapper.so After creatin the plugins directory, I copied the file to ~/.mozilla/plugins/, and restarted iceweasel. No change. There is this file, ~/.mozilla/firefox/pluginreg.dat which has this: 14:video/flv:Flash video:flv:$ /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so:$ :$ 1215282747000:1:5:$ Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124:$ Shockwave Flash:$ 2 0:application/x-shockwave-flash:Shockwave Flash:swf:$ 1:application/futuresplash:FutureSplash Player:spl:$ I don't know how that works, but I'd guess it tells Iceweasel, at least, where to look. cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
flashplayer v10
The last upgrade of flashplayer-mozilla to v10.0.12.36-0.4 (amd-64) from v9.0.124 killed flash for me in all browsers. I tried removing and re-installing, but no joy. My PIII, 32 bit, latest upgrade is to 9.0.124.0-0.0 0, and it still works just fine. Both machines' /etc/apt/sources.list point to http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny/main Packages Is this a known issue, or have I screwed up? If so, how do I go about fixing it? gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: diff display
Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/10/08 16:03, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: snip The main purpose of diff is to generate a patch which can then be used to apply/revert changes across two versions of a file. That would sanely be called patch, not diff. See man patch. diff consists of differences between files, and patch folds those differences back into the original. snip cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: diff display
Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/10/08 18:28, gary turner wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/10/08 16:03, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: snip The main purpose of diff is to generate a patch which can then be used to apply/revert changes across two versions of a file. That would sanely be called patch, not diff. See man patch. diff consists of differences between files, and patch folds those differences back into the original. Then that should be: $ patch --gen-diff $ patch --apply-diff There is a measure of logic there. Having both is in line with the philosophy of do one thing, do it well. There are a number of uses for diff where folding back into the original is not a part of the deal—thus, no patch. cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
Martin Smith wrote: H.S. wrote: Hello, I hope I do not start a flame war here. I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. snip Well the last time I saw a grammar checker on a computer was in the days of wordstar and dos 3.1, to call it crap would be an insult to crap. I have no idea where it got it's rules from but it certainly did not correspond to any form of english grammar, from either side of the atlantic that I have ever come across. I have never seen anything since. Going back to DOS, I had (and still have on an old Win98 box) an app called RightWriter, which applied the rules from Strunk White's /Elements of Style/. It even came with a copy of the book, and each comment referenced the rule by number. It was/is superior to Grammatik (sp?), a real PoS, and another major player of the time, whose name I can't remember. RightWriter was published by Prentiss-Hall. I made inquiries regarding new versions or availability of the source. They were met with silence. A damned shame, as porting a DOS program to Linux ought to be fairly straight forward, and RightWriter would be worth the effort. cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: cgi-bin stopped working in apache ?! please help
Zach Uram wrote: This is really baffling because CGI was working last week and now when I try it again and it is not working. All I did was add a name based virtual host in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and /etc/apache2/sites-available/ I am running apache2-mpm-prefork version 2.2.9-7 on Debian lenny/sid. /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ has darcs.cgi, darcsweb.cgi and awstats.pl Previously to access one of these I would do: http://www.jesujuva.org/cgi-bin/darcsweb.cgi But now when I do that I get this file not found error: 404 Not Found The requested URL /cgi-bin/darcsweb.cgi was not found on this server. Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-3 with Suhosin-Patch Server at www.jesujuva.org Port 80 It is clearly there so why is it saying not found? Argh this is so frustrating. /etc/apache2/sites-available/default has: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory /etc/apach2/mods-enabled/cgi.load has: LoadModule cgi_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_cgi.so ls shows this module exists: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20256 2008-08-08 13:39 /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_cgi.so /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgid.conf has: # Socket for cgid communication ScriptSock /var/run/apache2/cgisock /etc/apache2/conf.d/darcsweb.conf has: Alias /darcs /var/www/darcs Alias /darcsweb /usr/share/darcsweb Directory /usr/share/darcsweb AllowOverride None Options None Order allow,deny Allow from all RedirectMatch ^/darcsweb$ /cgi-bin/darcsweb.cgi /Directory I don't see why it worked last week and now it doesn't. I didn't upgrade apache2, I didn't edit any of the config files except adding a named based virtual host which I did by creating /etc/apache2/sites-available/darcs which has: VirtualHost *:80 ServerName darcs.jesujuva.org ServerAlias jesujuva.org www.jesujuva.org darcs.jesujuva.org DocumentRoot /var/www/darcs /VirtualHost And creating a symlink to that named darcs in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled So why is CGI not working and how can I fix it? I get the same 404 Not Found error if I try other programs in /usr/lib/cgi-bin such as darcs.cgi or awstats.pl Zach Assuming you have something like this in your config: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin AllowOverride None Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory You would access a cgi as http://darcs.jesujuva.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl cgi-bin is an alias for /usr/lib/cgi-bin _which is not in the document root's tree_ cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: cgi-bin stopped working in apache ?! please help
Zach Uram wrote: This is really baffling because CGI was working last week and now when I try it again and it is not working.snip I reread your post and my reply, and want to say it was was not clear that your url was complete. If I merely duplicated what you've been doing, I apologize. cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: how to restrict developers in /var/www/html directory...??
Michael Habashy wrote: i would like to restrict developer access to the /var/www/html directory. I currently have a number of websites in that directory. They are all live public_html for their respective webpages. I have developer A who i want to give access to /var/www/html/a-website.com I have developer B who i want to give access to /var/www/html/b-website.com I have developer C who i want to give access to /var/www/html/c-website.com snip See http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/auth.html cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Does anyone know where to find mod_auth_form
Alan Chandler wrote: I quite like the idea of making my web site use the facilities described for mod_auth_form (see apache2 manual). But I can't find where to get this module from. There doesn't appear to be a debian package. Why? These appear to be (at least session module) in Apache 2.3. Current Lenny version is 2.2.9-7 Would that be the difference? cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [slightly OT] modifying Emacs html helper mode
gary turner wrote: Emacs's html-helper-mode is seriously out of date vis-a-vis current html standards. It is my intention to modify the cookies to bring them up to html4.01 or xhtml1.0 recommendations, and current best practice. OK, I got a good start. I'd appreciate anyone's help who uses Emacs and the html-helper-mode. Are there any newly introduced bugs? What else would improve the cookie insertion? And, more importantly, is the patch in a proper form to send to the upstream hhm maintainer? Get the tarball at http://gtwebdev.com/emacs-hhm/ If this is too far OT, feel free to contact me off list. cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: zotero on debian?
H.S. wrote: Hello, Do we have zotero as an extension for Iceweal (firefox) on Debian? apt-cache didn't reveal anything. See https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3504 cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Command-line-interface (CLI) calculator to work out the difference between 2 dates
j t wrote: Hi all. Does anyone have any suggestions for a command-line-interface (CLI) calculator that can work out the difference between 2 (gregorian) dates (i.e. that is calendar aware). My favourite cli calculator (bc) doesn't seem to have any knowledge of the gregorian calendar. Just to make it clear, I'd like to be able to type in: 20080824-20080724 and it would work out the answer as 31 (I'm happy to use any date format for input - I've only used ISO8601 as an example) I Googled date arithmetic, and found this, http://www.walkernews.net/2007/06/03/date-arithmetic-in-linux-shell-scripts/ Can you adapt from that? cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
[slightly OT] modifying Emacs html helper mode
Emacs's html-helper-mode is seriously out of date vis-a-vis current html standards. It is my intention to modify the cookies to bring them up to html4.01 or xhtml1.0 recommendations, and current best practice. There are areas where I need guidance. The Debian Emacs packages install the file(s) already byte compiled. Is this from unmodified source from the mode maintainer's version as available on the home site, and would there be any issues if it isn't? Does this test procedure seem complete/safe enough? mv ./html-helper-mode.elc html-helper-mode.elc.orig cp ~/hhm/html-helper-mode.el ./html-helper-mode.el Take a run through all the cookies. Would it be out of line to post a link to my mods for d-u members to test? cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
What to do with multiple kernel images
Through upgrades, etc., I've accumulated six kernel images. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /boot config-2.6.18-5-486 initrd.img-2.6.25-2-486 config-2.6.21-2-486 initrd.img-2.6.25-2-486.bak config-2.6.22-2-486 System.map-2.6.18-5-486 config-2.6.22-3-486 System.map-2.6.21-2-486 config-2.6.24-1-486 System.map-2.6.22-2-486 config-2.6.25-2-486 System.map-2.6.22-3-486 grub System.map-2.6.24-1-486 initrd.img-2.6.18-5-486 System.map-2.6.25-2-486 initrd.img-2.6.18-5-486.bak vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-486 initrd.img-2.6.21-2-486 vmlinuz-2.6.21-2-486 initrd.img-2.6.22-2-486 vmlinuz-2.6.22-2-486 initrd.img-2.6.22-3-486 vmlinuz-2.6.22-3-486 initrd.img-2.6.22-3-486.bak vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-486 initrd.img-2.6.24-1-486 vmlinuz-2.6.25-2-486 initrd.img-2.6.24-1-486.bak [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Can I safely rm those I don't want to keep? Are there other directories and files that need to be included in the clean-up? cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: What to do with multiple kernel images
Alex Samad wrote: On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 01:06:39AM -0500, gary turner wrote: Through upgrades, etc., I've accumulated six kernel images. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /boot snip Can I safely rm those I don't want to keep? Are there other directories and files that need to be included in the clean-up? as suggested in other email [from Andrei Popescu] don't rm them, use aptitude purge, but I would keep atleast 2 versions, incase a upgrade fails Thanks, I ran purge on the four oldest. Three of them reported an error: rmdir: failed to remove `/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486': Directory not empty dpkg - warning: while removing linux-image-2.6.22-3-486, directory `/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486' not empty so not removed. koko:/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486$ ls -al total 12 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-08-15 05:33 . drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2008-08-15 05:26 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1303 2007-12-07 22:19 modules.seriomap koko:/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486$ Do these belong to a package, or would I simply rm them? gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: What to do with multiple kernel images
David Witbrodt wrote: Thanks, I ran purge on the four oldest. Three of them reported an error: rmdir: failed to remove `/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486': Directory not empty dpkg - warning: while removing linux-image-2.6.22-3-486, directory `/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486' not empty so not removed. snip Do these belong to a package, or would I simply rm them? The package manager is telling you that files that were NOT part of the package are present in a directory that it should be able to delete. Either you, or some other package you installed, placed that file there. I get this warning myself, because I use the proprietary NVidia modules instead of the Debian packages. (The NVidia installer compiles a kernel module and places it in /lib/modules, and makes no attempt to use my nice package management system -- unlike the ATI proprietary drivers, which creates actual DEBs.) Since my leftover 'nvidia' module is not track by APT, I _do_ just use 'rm': # cd /lib/modules # rm -vrf 2.6.22-3-486 The last command verbosely removes the directory for that kernel's modules, and any files in it. Only use a command like that if you are SURE the kernel has been removed (i.e., 'aptitude purge kernel-version') and the directory really is not needed. Any slip of the keyboard, or PEBKAC attack, and you cannot get back the files you lost! Brain-farts are high on my list of mortal fears. :) Thanks for the background info. All is done now. Thanks, too, to Alex and Andrei. cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: OT: Audiophile grade music server using several flavors of Debian
Nick Lidakis wrote:snip I'm glad I went with the ALIX. Not only does my Class A amplifier consume 300 watts at the outlet no matter what the volume, but Con Edison in New York is raising their electric rates by %22 soon. It's a little late now, but why would you choose a class A amp over a class B or AB push-pull amp? Input to the finals approaches zero in class B with no input signal. Back in the day, when I had more of a clue about these things, I found the B or more usually the AB (just slightly biased for plate/collector current) to be inherently more linear, with fewer harmonic products (as seen on a scope in both the time and frequency domains). Are there advantages to class A as heard by the discerning ear? -- Gary Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Flash in Etch?
Jeff Soules wrote: Hi all, Open to any advice. My ultimate goal is to get a fully functional Flash player in a browser in my Debian Etch installation (amd64 base). I use Gnome and don't care much for KDE Konqueror. Here's what I've tried so far: *Iceweasel + swfdec -- without success. I'm looking to use YouTube successfully here, whereas with this setup I've yet to see anything in Flash actually work. *gnash -- package appears to be broken in Etch, and I can't resolve the dependencies manually. *I looked into running out of a partial chroot a la this suggestion[1], but that seemed like an ugly kludge to begin with, and I didn't really have the chops to make it work anyway. Failing that, I attempted to install and run SimpleFox in a 32-bit mode, but to do this I've needed to update my version of gtk+2.0 (apparently in prepackaged Etch the version doesn't go beyond 2.8, and there doesn't seem to be anything on backports that would bring me more up to date). Then I attempted to manually install gtk+2.0 in the latest versions as from [2], which in turn requires a new Glib and a new Pango. Attempted to compile these under /opts as per [3], but while I can get glib and pango to compile without incident, the gtk compile is failing due to an undefined symbol. (I've copied the last few lines below at the bottom of this message). So, perhaps I'm going about this all wrong. But it seems to me I need either: - Some form of 32-bit browser, so I can install the (admittedly non-free) Adobe flash player; - Some way to make some of the free alternatives work well enough to meet my needs. I am open to advice on any of these points. snip I had no trouble installing the flash player for mozilla with a package from http://debian-multimedia.org/ IIRC, either Flash or Acroread, or both required some 32bit libs etc., but it's simply a case of adding the repository to sources.list, installing the key-ring, updating and then installing the package. cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: dpkg: error,processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs-gtk_2.5_amd64.deb,(--unpack):
Sven Joachim wrote: On 2008-07-05 07:49 +0200, gary turner wrote: (Reading database ... 85648 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking ia32-libs-gtk (from .../ia32-libs-gtk_2.5_amd64.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs-gtk_2.5_amd64.deb (--unpack): failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.4.0': No space left on device If the No space left on device means what I think it does, I'm confused. This is a new install with lots of room on the disk. 2.1GB used in /usr, and 407MB in /var Learn reading. ;-) The offending file lives is in /emul, i.e. on the root partition, not in /usr. I was fooled by the ./, assuming (wrongly, it seems) that the current directory was /var or possibly /usr. This is my first look at a 64bit machine, and was not ready for a 32bit emulation under /. aretha:/home/gt# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x2000 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 31 248976 83 Linux snip aretha:/home/gt# cat /etc/fstab # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/sda1 / ext3errors=remount-ro 0 1 snip So you have less than 250 Megabyte for the root partition. With today's big kernels that is pretty tight. The question is how do I clean up the mess? snip Try to remove old kernels, that should give you back some space. But in the long run you may need to increase the root filesystem to prevent the error from reoccuring. Repartitioning, and giving / a GB seems to have done the job. Thanks for pointing out the /emul directory. It's one I was completely unaware of. gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
dpkg: error,processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs-gtk_2.5_amd64.deb,(--unpack):
While trying to install acroread from debian-multimedia, I got the above error with the suggestion to try again with the -f option. The result of that is: aretha:/home/gt# apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: python2.4 python2.4-minimal Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following extra packages will be installed: ia32-libs-gtk The following NEW packages will be installed: ia32-libs-gtk 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 52 not upgraded. 12 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 12.2MB of archives. After this operation, 30.3MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main ia32-libs-gtk 2.5 [12.2MB] Fetched 12.2MB in 35s (346kB/s) (Reading database ... 85648 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking ia32-libs-gtk (from .../ia32-libs-gtk_2.5_amd64.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs-gtk_2.5_amd64.deb (--unpack): failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.4.0': No space left on device dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs-gtk_2.5_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) If the No space left on device means what I think it does, I'm confused. This is a new install with lots of room on the disk. 2.1GB used in /usr, and 407MB in /var aretha:/home/gt# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x2000 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 31 248976 83 Linux /dev/sda2 32 274 1951897+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda3 2751490 9767520 83 Linux /dev/sda41491 37477 289065577+ 5 Extended /dev/sda514912706 9767488+ 83 Linux /dev/sda62707635329294496 83 Linux /dev/sda76354 37477 250003498+ 83 Linux aretha:/home/gt# cat /etc/fstab # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass proc/proc procdefaults0 0 /dev/sda1 / ext3errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/sda7 /home ext3defaults0 2 /dev/sda6 /optext3defaults0 2 /dev/sda3 /usrext3defaults0 2 /dev/sda5 /varext3defaults0 2 /dev/sda2 noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 The question is how do I clean up the mess? Right now, I'm unable to remove or install anything (apt) as any attempt recalls this error. I'm not averse to simply re-installing the dist, but would rather know how I got into the mess in the first place, and what to do about it. thanks, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
large HD partition plan
After 8 years on my PIIIs w/10Gb HDs, I've bought a Core2 duo w/320GB HD and 4GB mem. I will install Lenny AMD64. Usage will will be primarily web development using multiple browsers, Emacs, GIMP, Inkscape and ImageMagick. I also plan to run Vista Home Premium in a VM (probably VirtualBox). I suspect that large swap and temp partitions will be helpful, as I tend to leave my apps up and running. Space is needed for mirroring 3 or 4 web sites at a time; may be in /home/* or /var/www/ LAN servers, Apache, mail and MySQL will remain on the PIIIs. All the HOWTOs, etc. that I've found talk about 2-10GB HDs, which were helpful in 2000 when I first installed Debian. I find them less so when looking at so much more space. I will appreciate any and all suggestions for a partition plan, especially those where a rationale for the plan is included. cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Apache2 config errors on previously good setup
Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 07:33:10AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 02:49:24AM -0600, gary turner wrote: Jeff D wrote:snip run apache2ctl -t it should tell you what it thinks is wrong with your apache config Thanks, Jeff. That yields the error message quoted in my first post. I'm trying to figure out how/why the syntax is in error, or how I can cause /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so to load. And, just what does this mean, undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSetup? the code in libphp5.so is trying to call a routine called xmlTextReaderSetup but can't find it. Someone else suggested you reinstall the xml stuff. Probably a good idea. What is the output of: ldd /path/to/libphp5.so koko:/usr/lib# ldd /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so ... libxml2.so.2 = /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.2 (0xb75e8000) ... Ack! That's libxml2.so.2.6.27, left over from a locally compiled install a year or so ago. Too Old, maybe? gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Apache2 config errors on previously good setup
Mike Bird wrote: On Sat February 16 2008 22:39:22 gary turner wrote: libxml2 is [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib$ ls -al | grep libxml lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2008-02-16 10:11 libxml2.so.2 - libxml2.so.2.6.31 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1166856 2008-01-19 12:54 libxml2.so.2.6.31 Those look OK. Any others floating around in /usr/local or elsewhere? # find / -name 'libxml2.*so*' /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.6.31 /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 # koko:/home/gt# find / -name 'libxml2.*so*' /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.6.31 /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.2.6.27 /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.2 /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so Yep, and /usr/local/lib precedes /usr/lib in $PATH. ldd (see Chris Bannister's post) confirms wrong lib being loaded. Renamed /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so.2, and all is well. I need to do some housekeeping. :) Many thanks to all for your suggestions. Not only do I have my server back, but got to (re)learn some basic admin. The trouble with Debian is that everything works so well, I forget how to troubleshoot. gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Apache2 config errors on previously good setup
Jeff D wrote:snip run apache2ctl -t it should tell you what it thinks is wrong with your apache config Thanks, Jeff. That yields the error message quoted in my first post. I'm trying to figure out how/why the syntax is in error, or how I can cause /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so to load. And, just what does this mean, undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSetup? gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Apache2 config errors on previously good setup
Mike Bird wrote: snip Please post the output of apt-cache policy libxml2, and/or reinstall libxml2. koko:/home/gt# apt-cache policy libxml2 libxml2: Installed: 2.6.31.dfsg-1 Candidate: 2.6.31.dfsg-1 Version table: *** 2.6.31.dfsg-1 0 500 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2.6.27.dfsg-2 0 500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages koko:/home/gt# apt-get install --reinstall libxml2 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/782kB of archives. After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? (Reading database ... 123522 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace libxml2 2.6.31.dfsg-1 (using .../libxml2_2.6.31.dfsg-1_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libxml2 ... Setting up libxml2 (2.6.31.dfsg-1) ... koko:/home/gt# apache2ctl start apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSetup gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Apache2 config errors on previously good setup
Lesley Binks wrote: On 16/02/2008, gary turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff D wrote:snip run apache2ctl -t it should tell you what it thinks is wrong with your apache config Thanks, Jeff. That yields the error message quoted in my first post. I'm trying to figure out how/why the syntax is in error, or how I can cause /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so to load. And, just what does this mean, undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSetup? I think this means there is something wrong with your php library. You said it went wrong after an upgrade. What did you upgrade - apache2 or php? If you only upraded one of these then I suggest trying to upgrade the other. The upgrade was the generic apt-get update, apt-get upgrade. Both are at the latest version, apache2 2.2.8-1 and php5 5.2.5-2 I cannot say whether either was involved, and I certainly missed the server restart error message. gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Apache2 config errors on previously good setup
Mike Bird wrote: On Sat February 16 2008 08:29:06 gary turner wrote: koko:/home/gt# apt-cache policy libxml2 libxml2: Installed: 2.6.31.dfsg-1 Candidate: 2.6.31.dfsg-1 Version table: *** 2.6.31.dfsg-1 0 500 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 2.6.27.dfsg-2 0 500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages You have the correct version of libxml2 installed. I don't know why libphp5.so isn't finding it. Does libxml2's path need to be in the php.ini include path? I have this: include_path = .:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/php/smarty/libs:/usr/share/pear libxml2 is [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib$ ls -al | grep libxml lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2008-02-16 10:11 libxml2.so.2 - libxml2.so.2.6.31 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1166856 2008-01-19 12:54 libxml2.so.2.6.31 The only oddity I see is that you have stable/updates appearing in your apt-cache policy. This means that you have a mixture of Etch and Lenny, which could cause weird problems. Try fixing your /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade. I don't expect libapache2-mod-php5 or libxml2 to change but something else might. Oops, had failed to comment out the security address. Everything points to lenny now. Did update + upgrade + dist-upgrade with 0 packages upgraded, added or removed. Are you aware of any other unusual aspects to your configuration? Anything that might override shared library search paths? Any old copies of libxml2 floating around other I haven't touched configuration files since moving from Apache 1.3 to Apache2 last July, I think it was. Everything except system specifics was left at default. gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Apache2 config errors on previously good setup
Mike Bird wrote: On Thu February 14 2008 10:31:10 gary turner wrote: koko:/home/gt# dpkg -s libapache2-mod-php5 Package: libapache2-mod-php5 Status: install ok installed Please post that to the list again but this time with all the headers. You can skip the description if you like. We still don't know which version you're running. Earlier today, I tired a reinstall koko:/home/gt# apt-get install --reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/2552kB of archives. After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? (Reading database ... 123522 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace libapache2-mod-php5 5.2.5-2 (using .../libapache2-mod-php5_5.2.5-2_i386.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libapache2-mod-php5 ... Setting up libapache2-mod-php5 (5.2.5-2) ... Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you. koko:/home/gt# exit Then, per your request, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -s libapache2-mod-php5 Package: libapache2-mod-php5 Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: web Installed-Size: 5556 Maintainer: Debian PHP Maintainers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Source: php5 Version: 5.2.5-2 Provides: phpapi-20060613+lfs I should also mention that I was wrong in my previous post, it was broken the first time I tried to use it after an upgrade. What else shall I do? gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Apache2 config errors on previously good setup
As of sometime today, my Apache2 stopped working. It has been performing without issues in a small network. There have been no recent changes in any configurations of Apache, PHP or MySQL. Attempts to restart yield: koko:/home/gt# apache2ctl start apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSetup apache2.conf lines 184, 185 and 186: # Include module configuration: Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf php5.load line 1: LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so exists, but I have no clue what : undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSetup means. Any suggestions for further digging will be appreciated -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Apache2 config errors on previously good setup
Mike Bird wrote: On Thu February 14 2008 01:09:12 gary turner wrote: As of sometime today, my Apache2 stopped working. It has been performing without issues in a small network. There have been no recent changes in any configurations of Apache, PHP or MySQL. Attempts to restart yield: Breakage could have happened long ago, only revealing itself when Apache restarted. I'm pretty sure the last restart (with no errors) was several days ago during an upgrade. Server was working after that. These error messages are after the server had died. snip but I have no clue what : undefined symbol: xmlTextReaderSetup means. still ??? Please look at the output of dpkg -s libapache2-mod-php5 and apt-get --dry-run install libapache2-mod-php5. If the answer isn't obvious try posting the results here. There's nothing obvious to me (not that that has much weight). koko:/home/gt# dpkg -s libapache2-mod-php5 Package: libapache2-mod-php5 Status: install ok installed ... koko:/home/gt# apt-get --dry-run install libapache2-mod-php5 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Apache configuration
Tasos Bazotis wrote: Webpages aren't loaded correctly on apache. Although I include a meta tag (meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-7) in the head of the html file, apache ignores it and loads the default character encoding (iso-8859-1). Is there something I can do? How should I modify the httpd.conf file? Thanks in advance for the help Look for AddDefaultCharset. The options are on|off|charset. The natural default is iso-8859-1. AddDefaultCharset iso-8859-7|off See http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/core.html#adddefaultcharset cheers, gary -- Anyone can build a usable web site. It takes a graphics designer to make it slow, confusing, and painful to use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there a software like Bandwidth
不坏阿峰 wrote: we can use MRTG for monitor the bandwidth of Lan ,but i found Bandwidth used in many linux. is it in Debian? is it named bandwidth or what?? apt-cache search bandwidthyields, among others, webmin-bandwidth. apt-cache show webmin-bandwidth will show the description. cheers, gary -- Anyone can build a usable web site. It takes a graphics designer to make it slow, confusing, and painful to use. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convincing someone to switch to Linux
Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 06:23:04PM +, Pigeon wrote: with even slightly different controls - like a different gearshift pattern - nobody would buy it. Explain Volkswagen's shifting pattern through the 1970s, where shifting to reverse was the same as shifting into first gear except you pushed the gearshift down while doing it...heck, the vehicle best known for that pattern, the Vanagon, became a cultural icon in the US (the hippie bus). Not quite. The pattern is/was: 1 3 | | | | | R 2 4 Pushing down on the shifter let it clear the lock-out in the shift gate. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] The advice is free, and worth every cent. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim iptables
Hal wrote: I'm using Woody as a firewall with NAT to protect a small network that includes a mail and web server on an unregistered (192.168) network. I'd like to configure the fw so that it can send mail alerts to the users via the mail server on the protected net. If I set exim.conf to preclude all local machine delivery (i.e. force remote delivery) Why would you do that? How do your local (intranet) users get their mail? the messages don't get delivered (they are frozen) since a MX lookup by the firewall indicates that the firewall's registered address is also the mail server's address. Define the hosts (in Exim) on your local net as local. For instance, my local net is *.blues, and hosts etta, aretha, bessie, koko, and minnie are host machines on that net. Users' mail is sent to koko/var/spool/mail/username, to be retrieved by each user. I use SSH, but you could also use POP3 or IMAP if you prefer. If each host has an MTA, you could deliver (push) to the appropriate host. The delivery will never go to the firewall. As I understand it, the FW should maintain a separation between local and foreign nets. It's not supposed to let something in that comes from a local address. After all, it can't be local if it shows up on the outside trying to get in :). Please note that I'm not fluent in Exim nor FWs, but the general concept should be correct, if not the detail. The firewall rules include a NAT rule for all smtp traffic to go to the internal server. Any suggestions on how to tell the firewall to send mail to the internal mail server? Is it an exim or firewall config issue? Exim, I think. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, no! Not ANOTHER security patch for IE! They promised to stop at 4000. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
util-linux-locales Configuring Locales --- Unable to select
On an apt-get upgrade, the util-linux-locales package is among the upgraded packages in Sarge. The Configuring Locales screen comes up and I would like to indicate no change. The problem is that I am unable to make a selection. The only option I seem to have is to scroll up and down the list. (Each choice *is* hi-lited as scrolled to.) Usually, I can select by hitting right arrow, which will hi-lite OK. Today, this acts as a down arrow. Left arrow scrolls up. Hitting enter does nothing. I searched BTS for util-linux-locales, and/or Configuring Locale to no avail. I am not BTS fluent, so my search could be faulty. I may be wrong about the package in which I see the error, though doing apt-get install --reinstall util-linux-locales gave me the same problem. I will appreciate some clue as to my next steps. I am quite willing, if needed, to postpone this particular package update, or I could learn some more BTS and file a bug. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] When all else fails, read the instructions. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: util-linux-locales Configuring Locales --- Unable to select
Gary Turner wrote: [...] I searched BTS for util-linux-locales, and/or Configuring Locale to no avail. I am not BTS fluent, so my search could be faulty. I may be wrong about the package in which I see the error, though doing apt-get install --reinstall util-linux-locales gave me the same problem. Further digging reveals many other of the upgrades produce the same results. The common denominator is the combination libc6, libc6--dev, and locales. Searching Deb's BTS yielded no results. I will appreciate some clue as to my next steps. I am quite willing, if needed, to postpone this particular package update, or I could learn some more BTS and file a bug. ^^^ Still applies :) -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] In any society, there are those who do unproductive things and find ways to have others support them.-- unk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Intel compiler RPMs on Debian
Charlie Zender wrote: Hi, What is the recommended way to install the Intel Fortran and C/C++ compilers on Debian? They come as a set of RPMs. The RPMs do not install on my Debian system, because there are no RPMs installed on my Debian system so it can't find any pre-requisites: error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2) I suppose I could try to find where the RPMs want to install their contents, and then try to install them myself manually. This sounds dangerous and error-prone, however. I gather this is a FAQ, what to do when you have an RPM you want to install on a Debian system?, but I could not find the answer. Google on Installing RPMs on Debian HOWTO yields a lot of hits. The key is the package alien. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show alien Package: alien Priority: optional Section: admin Installed-Size: 212 Maintainer: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: all Version: 8.24 Depends: debhelper (= 3), perl (= 5.6.0-16), rpm (= 2.4.4-2), dpkg-dev, make, cpio Suggests: patch, bzip2, lsb-rpm, lintian Filename: pool/main/a/alien/alien_8.24_all.deb Size: 113412 MD5sum: ac232fe4e3ef90229f48c5522e005297 Description: install non-native packages with dpkg Alien allows you to convert LSB, Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages into Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg. . It can also generate packages of any of the other formats. . This is a tool only suitable for binary packages. HTH -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, you order it from the 'Society of Hardware and Information Technology Helpers, Executive Administration Division' website - you're a member aren't you?--BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ssh and X---where do I switch the remote to X-listen
I'm trying to get X and cygwin working so that I can ssh into the home machine from my notebook. I originally set my Linux box to no-listen. Like some kind of idiot, I cannot find where I put the switch.:) Will some kind soul please let me know where to look so I can hit the FM? tnx -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Phoenix with java ..
nate wrote: I guess I deleted the mail from I think Sandip but I decided to try to get java working in phoenix 0.5 and it seems to work.. Thanks a bunch, Nate. I had to make a couple of changes, but only in detail. I've noted them below. Maybe it will help those that did it my way, as I did it -- my way :) what I did: 1) install phoenix(I install to ~/phoenix) in /usr/local/bin/phoenix.d/ 2) download java: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/download.html (I downloaded the linux self extracting file) I used the Blackdown Debs (j2se1.3) ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian \ testing non-free ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian \ testing main 3) chmod +x the java file and run it, move the directory to /usr/local/java The Debs took care of location /usr/bin/java 4) exit phoenix 5) cd ~/phoenix/plugins cd /usr/local/bin/phoenix.d/plugins 6) ln -s /usr/local/java/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so 7) start phoenix 8) in url box type about:plugins to be sure it's loaded 9) test it by going to: http://java.sun.com/openstudio/applets/clock.html worked for me Me, too. Tnx agn, Nate -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: repost -- phoenix, java and other plug-ins. are there any .debs?
Sandip P Deshmukh wrote: hello all this is my last attempt before i shift to some bloated browser. i have tried installing phoenix and make java run on it umpteen number of times. it *never* worked. phoenix installation is perfect. java is not. so, finally, i have decided to try installing from .debs. i run debian stable (woody) r3.0 and usually keep my system upto date using aptitude. any suggestions on where do i get these .deb files and step by step instructions on how to get and use them? Hi Sandip, Just a few minutes ago I posted my variations on Nate's instructions. My differences involved using Debs for the Java. This, along with the file locations I used may be just what you want. Here, are Nate's steps with my diffs. 1) install phoenix(I install to ~/phoenix) in /usr/local/bin/phoenix.d/ 2) download java: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/download.html (I downloaded the linux self extracting file) I used the Blackdown Debs (j2se1.3) These are my sources as added to /etc/apt/sources.list ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian \ testing non-free ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian \ testing main 3) chmod +x the java file and run it, move the directory to /usr/local/java The Debs took care of location /usr/bin/java 4) exit phoenix 5) cd ~/phoenix/plugins cd /usr/local/bin/phoenix.d/plugins 6) ln -s /usr/local/java/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_oji.so ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so 7) start phoenix 8) in url box type about:plugins to be sure it's loaded 9) test it by going to: http://java.sun.com/openstudio/applets/clock.html Try it. Maybe this will work for you. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Couple of more questions.
Teilhard Knight wrote: [...] Second. My ISP is a log on ASDL provider. That means I have to use my Ethernet card and log with a username and a password. I do not have a static IP, but everytime a log I am assigned one (dynamic). Any way to configure this in Debian? My card (it is built in the motherboard) is an Intel Pro 100/ VE. Here is a mini howto you may find helpful. http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/DSL/connect1.html -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie bull brings own china shop.
A: See for yourself Brian Durant wrote: If it is OK with you, I would rather not interleave my responses. I just got over some serious eye problems and find that spending too much time editing and working with the dim Debian text output on my daughter's computer, makes my eyes complain a lot. I am trying to keep the eye strain at a tolerable level. I hope you understand. If I may make a suggestion, Brian, rather than cause strain while reading off one screen and trying to type to another, redirect the output to a floppy disc. For example; $ mount /floppy $ dpkg -l dhc* | grep ^i /floppy/dpkgout # tail /var/log/syslog /floppy/syslogout $ umount /floppy Then you can use sneaker net* (hand carry the floppy to your XP) to transfer the data. Use Wordpad or whatever to open the file. From there you can cut and paste. In any case, top posting combined with a lack of editing can only exacerbate eye strain. If not yours, everyone else's. On the other hand, placing your reply/comment directly under the lines you're answering, and deleting everything not germane to the present exchange will greatly ease readability for everyone. snip ps - since there are a lot of instructions and questions in here, when you reply, please interleave your responses with the text of this mail, like what's done at the top of this mail, to avoid as much confusion as possible The reason your cursor starts at the top is so you can begin by cutting as you go. When you reach a line you'll answer, put your comment under it and start cutting again. Beats the hell out of trying to find your place, then move back to the top. Q: Why is top posting not a good idea? (Thanks, I think, to Baloo for the idea.) * also known as SMTP (Shanks Mare Transport Protocol) -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. -- John Kenneth Galbraith, economist -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help configuring box as router
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23 Feb 2003 14:25:07 -0600, Justin Ryan wrote: On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 12:27, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Sun, Feb 23, 2003 at 11:13:24AM -0500, Scott Ehrlich wrote: [ top posting SUCKS ] [ self-righteousness SUCKS ] [...] [Since when did top-posting become a moral issue?] [Well, it is a sin, no?] -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT]: 10pt in LaTeX?
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
does anyone know if it's possible to specify a smaller than 10pt font
size for a LaTeX document without resorting to putting the entire
document in one big \tiny{}? --which is cool for my purposes ... i'm
just curious.
No LaTeX guru by any means, but as far as I know, 10(default), 11, and
12 point types are the base sizes. After that, use modifiers such as
\tiny to \Huge. If only a small region is to be modified, the {\tiny
some text} artifact seems good. Text will revert to the previous size
after the closing brace. For large regions, or an entire document,
\tiny will remain in effect until explicitly changed, eg. \normalsize.
Of course, if you do \documentclass {contract}, the default typesize is
4pt ;P
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Re: wine and IE
Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 09:27:22PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: It's not really a question of who sucks and who blows ;) Java Script, Flash, frames, tables, and graphics are compliant technologies, so does Lynx suck if it doesn't support them? Do you tell folks to eff off if they choose to use Lynx? Lynx somewhat gracefully handles everything you mention but Javascript and Flash. The former could be improved in (e)l[iy]nks, though. Actually, until you test, you are likely not to have a clue how Lynx will render your frames or tables (especially as layout becomes more complex). Unless the HTML writer makes the needed concessions to text-only browsers, graphics rendering is worthless. All web sites (except maybe 'look-at-me' sites) are meant to sell something and/or provide information. It stands to reason that the web site designer is charged with the responsibility of making sure that the site can be viewed by the maximum number of people and does not break on some browser(s). Isn't that why standards exist to begin with? It is certainly a goal to shoot at. The reality is that most people use browsers that are a couple (or more) releases behind. You cannot forget that the overwhelming majority are users. By comparisons, Linux tends to draw user/administrators. Telling your (potential) customers they're not welcome on your site is not an option. I never suggested it was. What I did state, though, is that folks run a reasonably recent version of whatever browser they prefer and file bug reports against non-compliant rendering. IMO, this is the Right Way to handle the problem. By suggesting that the customer is at fault because he can't see your site the way you intended it be seen, is to suggest they are not welcome. Remember, the average visitor to a web site has no idea what a bug report is. What is more reasonable, the shopkeeper cater to the customer --- or vice versa? -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
regexp---remove comments---simplification
Not an earth-shattering problem. I try to remove all those comments from various config files before emailing them to wherever. I currently chain some greps grep -v '^\ *#' some.conf | grep -v '^\ $' condensed.file How would you combine these regexp's to remove a commented line (even if indented) and a blank line? My various permutations and combinations have resulted in errors. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine and IE
Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 06:34:35AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: snip What is more reasonable, the shopkeeper cater to the customer --- or vice versa? Not everybody developing for the web is a shopkeeper (thank God). If I'm not trying to sell something and therefore achieve Perfect Marketing Zen in the quest to do so, I honestly don't care if their rendering is a bit off due to them using a five-year-old browser; I'll write standards-compliant content - which means that browsers should be able to extract the information even if not all the formatting - and if the rendering doesn't look right then that's their problem. Ah, Colin. You misunderstand my point. From an earlier post, except for the Ego pages, web pages are the store fronts of e-commerce. And, commerce includes the exchange of ideas and information. If you want your stuff to be intelligible, you need to be aware of just how the various browsers will render your page. As a simple example, you may compose a page of nested tables, simply because that seems the best way to present your ideas. Then take a look at the page with Lynx. Or check out a browser configured for very large font size. Presentation can be re-ordered into something totally illogical. For anything other than a simple page, some screwy things can happen to compliant code rendered on compliant browsers. In general, people who think of the way pages are intended to be seen are missing the point of the web. Will your pixel-perfect design look the way you intended it to look on my PDA? The standards emphasize semantic markup, not physical markup, and leave the details of rendering up to the browser where they belong. CSS merely provides hints. The graphic artists, or anyone coming from print seem to think they can control the final look. That may be the reason so many sites are effectively IE only :( The fact is that browsers render differently, and are further affected by user preferences. Since the final look is *not* under the author's control, the author must test and rewrite until the page at least looks ok regardless of browser. To expect your customer (for ideas or goods or services) to change their ways to suit your page is ridiculous. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: regexp---remove comments---simplification
Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:18:48AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: [...] grep -v '^\ *#' some.conf | grep -v '^\ $' condensed.file How would you combine these regexp's to remove a commented line (even if indented) and a blank line? My various permutations and combinations have resulted in errors. You'll want something like this: grep -v '^\( *#\| $\)' some.conf condensed.file or: egrep -v '^( *#| $)' some.conf condensed.file Thanks. I wasn't escaping ()|. However as given, blank lines were not deleted. grep -v '^\( *#\| *$\) or egrep -v ^( *#| *$) work fine. I may have mistyped my example above. The spaces don't need to be escaped in either case; (|) need to be escaped for basic grep but not for egrep. I escaped space for clarity. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine and IE
Colin Watson wrote: On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:04:15AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: Colin Watson wrote: Not everybody developing for the web is a shopkeeper (thank God). If I'm not trying to sell something and therefore achieve Perfect Marketing Zen in the quest to do so, I honestly don't care if their rendering is a bit off due to them using a five-year-old browser; I'll write standards-compliant content - which means that browsers should be able to extract the information even if not all the formatting - and if the rendering doesn't look right then that's their problem. Ah, Colin. You misunderstand my point. From an earlier post, except for the Ego pages, web pages are the store fronts of e-commerce. I guess you must do e-commerce for a living, but for the rest of us the Only in a very small manner---and that mostly advisory, trying to put a lid on the graphic artists. distinction is not even close to as clear-cut as that. I actually find it kind of offensive that e-commerce people think that everything that predated them on the web must have been pure ego. No, I mean by Ego pages, the ones that say hey, look at my neat-o page, or here's my new baby. Even at that, I'm not being quite fair--that is information of a sort. (Consider, for example, science, the birthplace of the web. If you think that science is just ego then we have nothing further to discuss ...) Not at all. My earlier post clearly stated that information is one of the two reasons for web pages. Commerce includes the trade in ideas. Presenting a paper at an IEEE forum is no less commerce than selling a loaf of bread. To expect your customer (for ideas or goods or services) to change their ways to suit your page is ridiculous. Which is why one uses semantic markup (tables, for example, aren't semantic) to allow the customer to control things themselves. Sure, Authors do not have final say on how the final product looks, but that is no reason they can't suggest structure to better communicate. some degree of testing is absolutely sensible, but good semantic markup reduces the load on the coder as well. Just my point. If you want someone to accept your information, don't you think it's your responsibility to make it legible to as many as possible? (Including some logical structure, as needed.) As for tables, et al, they are a fact of web life and often just must be dealt with. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine and IE
nate wrote: Gary Turner said: page of nested tables, simply because that seems the best way to present your ideas. Then take a look at the page with Lynx. i don't think that's fair. lynx is not what I would call a feature complete browser. links may be better to compare with. But for me I test in Lynx precisely because it is not featureful. It is my purely personal prejudice that any page *I* write should still be understandable even in a browser such as Lynx. [...] The graphic artists, or anyone coming from print seem to think they can control the final look. That may be the reason so many sites are effectively IE only :( The fact is that browsers render differently, and are further affected by user preferences. Since the final look is *not* under the author's control, the author must test and rewrite until the page at least looks ok regardless of browser. ^ OK, this is hyperbole ;) More later. to a certain point of course. Even different versions of IE render pages differently in many cases(I've read posts by people who said their intranet apps were designed for IE 5.5 and the ONLY work in IE 5.5 not in 6 not in 5.0, not in anything non IE). To really make Not just on intranets. There are sites in the wild that exhibit similar limitations. As far as I'm concerned, these so-called web designers are acting stupidly. it work regardless of browser you'd probably have to use HTML 3 or below[...] Not necessarily, just be aware of how the browser will handle the tag. Lynx doesn't support tables, so you take care that your tables render reasonably. IE isn't fully compliant with CSS1 or CSS2. You just have to be alert to possible problems and adjust accordingly. But a web developer can't test every possible combonation, e.g what about the web browser on QNX? or[...] Some amount of testing is important, but saying regardless of browser goes too far I think.[...] See my revisions and extensions above. Yeah, what you do is test for your market. In my case, IE, NS, Moz, and Opera for the most part on Win, Mac and Linux OSs. There are others, of course, but these pretty well cover my customer base. If someone really wants to make their stuff work on most any browser they have to drop all the modern stuff like[...]Or at least make a version of the site that does not use such technologies. True. I don't encounter many pages that I can't view in phoenix/moz/opera but when I do(e.g. mostly flash only sites) I leave and never go back. Friends don't let friends use flash. I have yet to see a site that Flash adds any value to. They must be out there, I just haven't seen'em. last night for some reason I was trying to download a BIOS upgrade for my sister's dell from dell's support site(I HATE DELL), and the damn site wouldn't let in in using phoenix, no matter what link I clicked it took me to the same page(choose what kind of customer you are). Mozilla worked though so i managed to get the update..only to have to fire up vmware in order to make the floppy to update it! Dell has one of the worst sites I've ever seen from a useability standpoint. I've found the answer is to get customer service on the phone and let them lead me by the hand through the site. (What the hey, it works :)) oh, and of course I absolutely refuse to load VMWARE to load IE (or wine or any other method) to view a site. If the site wants to lock me out then that's their choice. And it's mine to choose not to go there or reccomend it in the future to anyone. When I run into that, and if I have a moment, I email the webmaster to suggest they hire a designer with a clue. [...] Nate's comments were heavily edited. If not fresh in your mind, please reread it. It is very clueful. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everything here could be wrong--Messiah's Handbook as quoted by Bach in Illusions -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nslookup --- which package?
Rus Foster wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Gary Turner wrote: I have been unable to locate this utility. The more I look, the sillier I feel. Wasn't this in some util pkg? The closest I've come is ptknslookup in the ptknettools pkg. I'd prefer non X. Its in the host package rghf@duocity:~$ apt-cache search nslookup host - Utility for Querying DNS Servers I had a host, but not this host. It seems nslookup is deprecated in favor of host. Thanks. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nslookup --- which package?
Gary Turner wrote: I have been unable to locate this utility. The more I look, the sillier I feel. Wasn't this in some util pkg? The closest I've come is ptknslookup in the ptknettools pkg. I'd prefer non X. Many thanks to all who answered. I installed dnsutils (which means I wasn't totally crazy thinking there was a '*utils' pkg). Now, I can deal with learning 'dig'. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine and IE
Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 01:43:29AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: If only that were true. Every page I produce is 100% W3C compliant. That's not enough. In the area of CSS alone, IE for Windows is not compliant, while IE for Mac is. So slap the appropriate W3C compliant buttons on there so if they want to test it out in Windows IE they can find out it's not you who sucks. It's not really a question of who sucks and who blows ;) Java Script, Flash, frames, tables, and graphics are compliant technologies, so does Lynx suck if it doesn't support them? Do you tell folks to eff off if they choose to use Lynx? All web sites (except maybe 'look-at-me' sites) are meant to sell something and/or provide information. It stands to reason that the web site designer is charged with the responsibility of making sure that the site can be viewed by the maximum number of people and does not break on some browser(s). He can either back off some technologies, or provide some kind of alternative, or maybe just decide that it's not all that broken. Without testing, how does he make an informed decision? Telling your (potential) customers they're not welcome on your site is not an option. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine and IE
Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: -- Gary Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Thursday, 20 February 2003, 09:27 PM -0600): Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 01:43:29AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: If only that were true. Every page I produce is 100% W3C compliant. That's not enough. In the area of CSS alone, IE for Windows is not compliant, while IE for Mac is. So slap the appropriate W3C compliant buttons on there so if they want to test it out in Windows IE they can find out it's not you who sucks. It's not really a question of who sucks and who blows ;) Java Script, Flash, frames, tables, and graphics are compliant technologies, so does Actually, I beg to differ regarding Flash -- if a technology requires that the browser utilize a plugin in order to work, I wouldn't call it standardized. Otherwise, spot on. You're right, of course. Its pervasive ubiquity and seamless integration make me forget that it's not a browser feature. [...] Once my deadlines aren't looming so heavily, I'll try and see if I can get some of the solutions presented working. Good luck. It might be worthwhile to use a junker loaded with Windows for testing a number of browsers. I've found, for example, that Mozilla, Opera, and BrowseX act slightly different on Windows compared to Linux. And don't forget Mac. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friends don't let friends use Flash. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine and IE
Paul Johnson wrote: On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 03:07:59PM -0600, DvB wrote: I've never done this, but I've seen it done (with me own eyes! :-) I don't think it worked as well as the native Linux browsers and probably would crash as soon as it started doing its Direct-X crap but, for your purposes, it would probably work (one would assume you do standards compliant development). Well, if that's the assumption, why bother getting IE to work at all? If you go to the standard, and it works in one browser, than it'll work anywhere. Save yourself the trouble. 8:o) If only that were true. Every page I produce is 100% W3C compliant. That's not enough. In the area of CSS alone, IE for Windows is not compliant, while IE for Mac is. NS v6, and Mozilla v.8 are. Opera is not. And, let's not even get into how tables and frames are handled. If you develop for the web, you just have to test, and test on every browser (old and new) users might possibly choose. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best WWW browser..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm using Debian 3.0r1 stable (woody) and am currently using Galon for web-surfing. However, it seems to break on some sites - they seem to be moaning about Frames support mostly. Anyway, which browser should I use under gnome to get the most pages viewed? I'd prefer a .deb package from stable but if not, what do people think of the Opera 7 that recently appeared? Mozilla Seems to be as fully W3C compliant as any I've tried. Phoenix Not fully tested, but seems to be as compliant as Mozilla Opera Usually considered to be among the best. I've noticed poor handling of CSS1 and CSS2 Dillo Quick, but lacks a lot of stuff. Not W3C compliant. Netscapev=6.0 Highly compliant. Some find it flakey. Not fully exercised here. BrowseX Quick and small. Not fully compliant. Overall, I recommend Mozilla. Unfortunately there are a number of web sites that seem to depend on non-compliant Internet Explorer proprietary tags. There's nothing to be done other than bitch to the webmaster. Good luck with all that. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network problem: configuration/DNS? cannot access internal machine using our external IP
Jerome Lacoste (Frisurf) wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 20:20, Gary Turner wrote: Jerome Lacoste (Frisurf) wrote: Summary: If I try to connect to an internal server given its dyndns.org hostname, it works from the outside world, but fails if I try from within our intranet. [...] Your gateway/router is working as designed. The internal (LAN) and external (WAN/Internet) are kept separated. This means that no WAN IP can try to connect directly with an internal address. Nor is it allowed to use a LAN IP from outside. When you try to connect to your public address from within the LAN, the name resolves to your own address. So the router sees it as an internal address trying to get in, and that's not allowed. OK. Is there a trick I can use so that I can access this machine from inside AND outside our LAN using the same name? I'm afraid that's beyond my ken. My jury-rigged solution is to fire up a dial-in account. The only reason to do that has been to verify that sub domains are resolving. But, that's not what you're asking for, is it? -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never drunk so much that I passed out--- at least not that I can remember. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bogus e-mails sent ....iConnectHere has received your mail! (KMM2416947V99452L0KM)
Colin Watson wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 07:24:41PM -0200, Barry Rab wrote: We have received your message and will respond as quickly as possible. This is an automatic response, please do not reply to this message. Please visit our on line help section, as it may help to answer your question quicker. Your patience is appreciated. [...] Well how did this get on the list? A spammer probably forged [EMAIL PROTECTED] in a spam directed to them. Please ignore messages like this. I wrote: To: iConnectHere CustomerCare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: iConnectHere has received your mail! (KMM2416947V99452L0KM) From: Gary Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:50:08 -0600 It's impolite to spam a mailing list with an autoresponder. If you were using a sane MTA/MUA, there are many on this list who would be happy to help you reconfigure. I received this header from [EMAIL PROTECTED] He felt that it was likely a klez artifact. He didn't say whether an attachment accompanied the original. Received: from Mymailserver (Mymailserver [208.170.169.133])with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13)id 1XVZHP7X; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:23:03 +0200 Received: from thefossickerfund.com ([216.65.63.156])by Mymailserver (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2003021220225830989for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:22:58 -0500 Received: from Brfedvt [24.237.86.167] by thefossickerfund.com(SMTPD32-7.13) id A355CBB00C6; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:22:29 -0500 From: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A WinXP patch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=QU09TIu76VK4z4I Message-Id: 200302122022659.SM01072@Brfedvt Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:22:59 -0500 End of mail header I was surprised that he bothered to write. That he did, eased my attitude :). I did write back to thank him for responding. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how the fuck do I unsubscribe
Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: Quoting Fer'had Erdogan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have been trying to unsubscribe from this list for a few days now. Ended up sending an email to the list manager as well about it. Why am I still subscribed? Way too many emails for me to deal with. Driving me crazy. Always start by looking in the headers. umm, follow the instructions? To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me help: First, copy this -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, paste it into the To: line. Second, copy this -- unsubscribe And paste it into the line labelled Subject: Finally Click on the little send icon. That's it. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deb-List Subject Line Tag?
Scalar wrote: This isn't about debian but about the list.. Would it be acceptable for the listserver to add a few letters at the beginning of the subject to distinguish the list from other email? [...] If the listserver appended something like DEB to the front of a non-reply subject, it'd make these posts much easier to sort through. For example, my message out to the list would look like: DEB Deb-List Subject Line Tag? And followups would read: Re: DEB Deb-List Subject Line Tag? Well, that wouldn't work. What about Debian Dev, and Announce, and etc.? You'd have to use [deb-user], [deb-dev], and what have you. There goes 10 columns that can no longer carry info. And to think, I've been wanting the other lists I subscribe to to lose the habit. It's a serious waste of high dollar screen real estate. I'm thinking this is an idea whose time has long gone. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg inconsistency
Colin Watson wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:29:43AM +0100, Florian Sukup wrote: Does apt-get provide a feature like a history file? I would like to keep track what I installed at a certain time. [...] You could always write a trivial script to do this yourself. In the spirit of don't re-invent the wheel this is what I use: #!/bin/sh # Written by Larry Holish, [EMAIL PROTECTED] # As customized by Gary Turner for his own use # Script that writes current list of packages installed # from /var/lib/dpkg/available to pkgs_woody.current. # Keeps a history of changes between package versions # in woody_history.txt. LISTDIR=/home/gt/debian # match to your path to storage # files cd $LISTDIR if [ -f 'woody_history.txt.gz' ]; then gunzip woody_history.txt.gz fi if [ -f 'pkgs_woody.current' ]; then mv pkgs_woody.current pkgs_woody.last fi COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l | grep ^i | cut -b 5- pkgs_woody.current diff -C 0 pkgs_woody.last pkgs_woody.current woody_history.txt gzip woody_history.txt rm -f pkgs_woody.last # EOF -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmailrc--parse error
Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:34:59PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:17:37AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: [...] Now I'm back to couldn'y find canonical DNS name for pop.sbc... normal termination, status 11 From the manual: 11 Fatal DNS error. Fetchmail encountered an error while performing a DNS lookup at startup and could not proceed. What's the cure here? I did check, and found that one of the DNS servers for sbc has changed, so I changed /etc/resolv.conf to no avail. Any hints? Did you have a prob? Can 'host' resolve the hostname correctly? No. in fact, I can't ping or telnet either. Same with smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.net. Oddly, a couple of days ago I telnetted into the smtp addy to confirm authentication mode. That's rather odd. Here is from Exim's mainlog: koko:/var/log/exim# tail mainlog [...] 2003-02-11 17:09:47 18ijX9-0001RO-00 = [EMAIL PROTECTED] H=etta.blues [192.168.0.3] P=esmtp S=557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-11 17:09:48 18ijX9-0001RO-00 = [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.171.137] 2003-02-11 17:09:48 18ijX9-0001RO-00 Completed This is encouraging, the mail is being delivered successfully 2003-02-11 17:12:48 18ija4-0001SB-00 = root@blues U=root P=local S=308 2003-02-11 17:12:50 18ija4-0001SB-00 = [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.171.137] 2003-02-11 17:12:50 18ija4-0001SB-00 Completed This is a little odd; are you sure you want mail to root to go via your ISP's mail servers? Actually, that's from: root, to: me in my public persona. So, koko (the Linux box) is able to connect on the smtp side. Also, etta, the Winbox, from which I'm trying to emigrate, is able to access both pop and smtp. But, now (I just checked) I can't telnet from this box either. H... Can you suggest where to find a clue? Resolv.conf? Hosts? /etc/resolv.conf is the place to setup resolving; are you *sure* it's identical on koko and blues (presuming blues is the fetchmail-b0rked box)? Is blues able to resolve hostnames in general? koko sends but cannot fetch mail. etta can send and fetch mail. Both machines can browse with no problem. I run `host xxx` from koko. Is it behind a NAT gateway? Can it connect to the nameservers in general? Can it connect on UDP port 53 (the DNS port)? Can it connect via the IP address in general? Again on port 53? Does the whole thing work if you add your SMTP sever (sbc's anyhow) to /etc/hosts? I am behind an NAT gateway/router. Things are supposedly set up right :) Here is resolv.conf, and some pings: gt@koko:/etc$ cat resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.0.1 nameserver 151.164.1.1 nameserver 206.13.28.11 gt@koko:/etc$ ping -c3 ns1.swbell.net PING ns1.swbell.net (151.164.1.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 151.164.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=250 time=22.0 ms 64 bytes from 151.164.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=250 time=20.6 ms 64 bytes from 151.164.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=250 time=25.5 ms --- ns1.swbell.net ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 20.6/22.7/25.5 ms gt@koko:/etc$ ping -c3 ns1.pbi.net PING ns1.pbi.net (206.13.28.11): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 206.13.28.11: icmp_seq=0 ttl=244 time=63.1 ms 64 bytes from 206.13.28.11: icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=61.9 ms 64 bytes from 206.13.28.11: icmp_seq=2 ttl=244 time=63.7 ms --- ns1.pbi.net ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 61.9/62.9/63.7 ms A whole bunch of overlapping thoughts there, but that's what I'd do... Just to clarify: you have three boxes, koko (a Linux box that's working as a smart mail host) can connect to the remote mail server just fine, etta (a windows box) can too, but blues (another Linux box) cannot? blues is the LAN name. koko (Lin), etta (Win), aretha (Win), bessie (Netgear router), and minnie (Lin) are hosts. Thus koko.blues, etta.blues, etc. Exim rewrites from: local_name to [EMAIL PROTECTED] when going remote_smtp, and local del'ys are always $local_name@blues Since I *can* access my ISP's POP server using my normal mail client in Windows, I'm going to say this is most likely something as stupid as a typo :( -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmailrc--parse error
Gary Turner wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:34:59PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:17:37AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: [...] Now I'm back to couldn'y find canonical DNS name for pop.sbc... normal termination, status 11 From the manual: big snip here Since I *can* access my ISP's POP server using my normal mail client in Windows, I'm going to say this is most likely something as stupid as a typo :( Well, SON OF A BI... Everything about SBC is dot net. Even the nameservers are dot net. But the smtp and pop servers are dot com. No wonder it wouldn't resolve. Thanks to Shyamal Prasad for noticing the syntax error in the config. I wish he had noticed the dot com thing too :) And Rob, I wish your arms had been long enough to reach out from Oz and thump me behind the ear. PEBKAC -- gt kk5st@sbcglobal If what you're doing doesn't work, stop doing it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network problem: configuration/DNS? cannot access internal machine using our external IP
Jerome Lacoste (Frisurf) wrote: Summary: If I try to connect to an internal server given its dyndns.org hostname, it works from the outside world, but fails if I try from within our intranet. I have this network configuration E | Internet | | (EXT-IP) ** R ** (Firewall) | (192.168.1.1) ___|___ | | | | M S M M E: external machine R: router firewall for our intranet S: internal server running Linux (in fact it runs Mandrake 9.0) M: internal machines Your gateway/router is working as designed. The internal (LAN) and external (WAN/Internet) are kept separated. This means that no WAN IP can try to connect directly with an internal address. Nor is it allowed to use a LAN IP from outside. When you try to connect to your public address from within the LAN, the name resolves to your own address. So the router sees it as an internal address trying to get in, and that's not allowed. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good C/C++ IDE
Johan Kullstam wrote: S Yuval [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Can anyone suggest a good C/C++ IDE? I've tried Anjuta, KDevelop, KStudio and have been disappointed. The only somewhat useful IDE I could find was QIDE, which is a trial product and only supports C. I like emacs. Hey! I was gonna suggest that. Have you looked at Kylix? http://www.borland.com/kylix/pdf/kyl3_datasheet.pdf -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fetchmailrc--parse error
I have the following error message when running Fetchmail from the command line. gt@koko:~$ fetchmail -v fetchmail:/home/gt/.fetchmailrc:10: parse error at end of input or, gt@koko:~$ fetchmail -u [EMAIL PROTECTED] pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.net fetchmail:/home/gt/.fetchmailrc:10: parse error at end of input gt@koko:~$ cat .fetchmailrc set postmaster gt set bouncemail set no spambounce set properties poll pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.net proto POP3 user [EMAIL PROTECTED], with password secret is gt here auth I think I've been staring all too long at this. Fresh, knowledgeable eyes will be deeply appreciated. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not understanding pdflatex
Joerg Johannes wrote: For some time I am struggling with pdflatex. Today's update of tetex resolved the major problem I had (Acroread could not process the pdf files), but now it is getting weird. If I run pdflatex on a document, the normal font is shown very fuzzy (Yes, various mails in the archives talk about bitmap fonts, but pdflatex normally should use the vector fonts, not?), while the sections in math mode are just perfect. I don't understand it, because it is the same font family, only the normal font is fuzzy, the mathsf and even mathrm are displayed fine. Should not at least mathrm be identical with \normalfont? Any idea? It is interesting to note that gv and xpdf render Type3 fonts very nicely while Acroread looks like crap. Regardless of how they look on screen, printed docs will look fine. See /usr/share/doc/texmf/tetex/TETEXDOC.pdf.gz There are a few words about this. Basically, Acroread barfs of Type3 (bitmap) fonts. There was a recent thread here on how to get Type1 fonts. I tried and found this set of instructions to work. Do [la]tex sample dvips -Ppdf sample ps2pdf sample.ps This should yield a pdf file that Acroread can render nicely. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmailrc--parse error
drew cohan wrote: poll pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.net proto POP3 user [EMAIL PROTECTED], with password secret is gt here I'm no fetchmail expert, but what happens if you remove the comma and make the user line all one line, like: No joy. The comma was in an example in the manual. But at your suggestion, I did remove it. Still had the same error. I didn't post them, but I did have some honest syntax errors earlier, which I fixed. Now this, which is at EOF. [...] -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never drunk so much that I passed out--- at least not that I can remember. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmailrc--parse error
Shyamal Prasad wrote: Gary == Gary Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary poll pop.sbcglobal.yahoo.net proto POP3 Gary user [EMAIL PROTECTED], with password secret Gary is gt here Gary auth Hmmusually I write 'user user@host there with password... while your file is missing the word 'there' and has a comma instead. Perhaps that is the problem. Admittedly the comma may work as well as the word 'there'... fetchmailrc is just so flexibile it drives you crazy ;-) This seems to be OK. Basically I just copied from the manual. Also, I don't use 'auth' and it works fine. I use the same POP server as you are trying to use. Dropping the auth did the job on syntax. Funny, I added it because I was getting connection refused--host unknown. That error has not returned (yet). Now I'm back to couldn'y find canonical DNS name for pop.sbc... normal termination, status 11 From the manual: 11 Fatal DNS error. Fetchmail encountered an error while performing a DNS lookup at startup and could not proceed. What's the cure here? I did check, and found that one of the DNS servers for sbc has changed, so I changed /etc/resolv.conf to no avail. Any hints? Did you have a prob? -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fetchmailrc--parse error
Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:17:37AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: Shyamal Prasad wrote: [...] Also, I don't use 'auth' and it works fine. I use the same POP server as you are trying to use. Dropping the auth did the job on syntax. Funny, I added it because I was getting connection refused--host unknown. That error has not returned (yet). Now I'm back to couldn'y find canonical DNS name for pop.sbc... normal termination, status 11 From the manual: 11 Fatal DNS error. Fetchmail encountered an error while performing a DNS lookup at startup and could not proceed. What's the cure here? I did check, and found that one of the DNS servers for sbc has changed, so I changed /etc/resolv.conf to no avail. Any hints? Did you have a prob? Can 'host' resolve the hostname correctly? No. in fact, I can't ping or telnet either. Same with smtp.sbcglobal.yahoo.net. Oddly, a couple of days ago I telnetted into the smtp addy to confirm authentication mode. Here is from Exim's mainlog: koko:/var/log/exim# tail mainlog [...] 2003-02-11 17:09:47 18ijX9-0001RO-00 = [EMAIL PROTECTED] H=etta.blues [192.168.0.3] P=esmtp S=557 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-02-11 17:09:48 18ijX9-0001RO-00 = [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.171.137] 2003-02-11 17:09:48 18ijX9-0001RO-00 Completed 2003-02-11 17:12:48 18ija4-0001SB-00 = root@blues U=root P=local S=308 2003-02-11 17:12:50 18ija4-0001SB-00 = [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=smarthost T=remote_smtp H=smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.171.137] 2003-02-11 17:12:50 18ija4-0001SB-00 Completed So, koko (the Linux box) is able to connect on the smtp side. Also, etta, the Winbox, from which I'm trying to emigrate, is able to access both pop and smtp. But, now (I just checked) I can't telnet from this box either. Can you suggest where to find a clue? Resolv.conf? Hosts? -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never drunk so much that I passed out--- at least not that I can remember. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not understanding pdflatex
David P James wrote: Gary Turner wrote: [...] [la]tex sample dvips -Ppdf sample ps2pdf sample.ps This should yield a pdf file that Acroread can render nicely. Really? It usually comes out looking pretty awful if you ask me when looked at with Acroread. I've had much more success with: I suspect you left off the printer switch ( -Ppdf ). That switch seems to be the key. texi2pdf sample.tex This seems to compile rather than convert (no surprise really). It also generates smaller pdf files than ps2pdf or dvipdf, which generates just On my test file, tex-dvi-ps-pdf = 34K tex-dvi-pdf = 64K See the URLs below. as ugly pdfs, at least where Acroread is concerned. Compare the following in Acroread: http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/debian/assign01ps.pdf http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/debian/assign01dvi.pdf Yep, ugly as mud. Fortunately they should print nicely. http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/debian/assign01tex.pdf This looks like what my procedure produces. I couldn't replicate your steps as I know nothing about texinfo format. texi2pdf chokes on a plain LaTeX file and spits out dvi+errors. dvi2pdf makes ugly on Acroread without the intermediate step. See: http://rcu.dyndns.biz/sample.pdf tex - dvi2ps -Ppdf - ps2pdf http://rcu.dyndns.biz/sample2.pdf texi2pdf - dvi2pdf -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More detailed post ...
Nick Hastings wrote: * Fred Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030210 16:41]: snip netscape/mozilla does this and evolution does this. the kind people at ximian were good enough to add a reply to list function to evolution to get around _broken_ mailing list software (like whatever is running lists.debian.org) but this is not standard. Hmm, for the list software/configuration to be broken it must be behaving in a manner different to a well defined standard. I must plead ignorance in this matter; what standards exist for list server behaviour? My (admittedly poor) understanding from the Mutt and/or Exim list(s) is that here is no Standard but there is a growing consensus that the use of the Mail-Followup-To: header is the better solution. Again, my understanding is that this header should be provided by the poster's MUA as appropriate to the list(s) being posted to. The Apache users list adds a reply-to header, leading to double postings where the OP has set the same header. On the Exim, Mutt, and Debian lists, it appears that no reply-to: headers are added by the mail-list and that MUAs are expected to do the Right Thing(tm). The Mail-Followup-To: header is most often set by Mutt users. Where MUAs do not have a List Reply function, it is up to the user to be polite, and make the necessary edits when replying. if you are going to be complaining to anyone, you should complain to whomever runs lists.debian.org, not to the people who accidentially (or unknowingly) send a reply to all whenever they post to this list. As others have said, the list does it right. It is up to those without properly functioning MUAs (including myself) to adhere to best practice. Sure we all sometimes (at least I do) screw up and CC the poster when we shouldn't or, reply off instead of onlist but this occurs only occasionally. If the majority of us can follow the protocol, why should lists.debian.org change their setup because a few people are lazy with their email? True, true. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printer Problem - An Insane Solution
Glenn English wrote:
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 10:03, Thomas H. George,,, wrote:
PS. I was going to call this a cock-a-manie (sp?) solution but I can't
find the word in any of our dictionaries. Anyone know a correct
spelling and dictionary entry?
Not at all sure, but I think it's cockamamie - it's a term my
grandparents used to use, so I suspect it came out of the 1920's.
It ought to be in the Dictionary of American Slang.
FYI
gt@koko:~$ dict cockamamie
1 definition found
From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]:
cockamamie
adj : (informal terms) gave me a cockamamie reason for not
going; wore a goofy hat; a silly idea; some wacky
plan for selling more books [syn: {cockamamy}, {fool(a)},
{goofy}, {sappy}, {silly}, {wacky}, {zany},
{unreasonable}]
gt@koko:~$
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OT--How to ask aquestion, an example
While Googlin' for a similar error I ran across this post. It struck me as a near perfect example of how to do it. Interestingly, ESR, of http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html fame was the first respondent :) quote Subj: fetchmail: couldn't find canonical DNS name of [...] Short description = Today, when launching fetchmail, I get the error: telperion:~ # fetchmail -v fetchmail: couldn't find canonical DNS name of pop3.[...].com and exits after some seconds. That server is the last of the list, and no server is polled. There is no syslog reporting. Long description The fetchmailrc file has not been modified, and worked a few hours earlier. System has not been modified (it was switched of, it is my home computer). It seems there is some kind of dns problem, as server pop3.[...].com does not resolve today. The entry for that mailserver is the last in the list; however, fetchmail does not poll any of the other servers, and writes nothing to syslog, just exits. If the entry for that server is comented out, fetchmail works ferfectly - as has done for more than a year - and polls all servers, fetching pending mail, as expected. root .fetchmailrc file (called usually from ip-up), has the following... /quote deles, shown as [...], are mine. This well done query made it easier to determine that I had a similar problem, and made the rather cryptic answer useful. The next time I ask a half-assed question (which will be my first, of course :)), bring me up on it. Please be gentle. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sharing a printer with SAMBA
Chris wrote: Gday y'all, Im trying to share a CUPS printer over samba. I can see the printer, but when i try to print to it from a windows box i get the message Access Denied, Cannot connect.. [...] Don't look to me as an expert. I did manage to get stuff hooked up, though. It's been 18 months or so since my install so all is hazy. So, first, can you access your ~/ from Windows? I.e. in windows explorer click network neighborhood, click a Linux box, click home, and see your home directory. If so, use the printer set-up wizard and select the raw (non-filtered) printer in your printcap. Use the *Windows* print driver. There may be some details missing here, so be sure to reread the Samba HOWTO and other docs. My smb.conf looks quite a bit different from yours, but if you like, I'll send you mine for comparison. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)
Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:16:09PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: By the way, your message asks for a return receipt, which I would guess isn't everyone's preferred setting for a mailing list. Maybe for mail-lists we should honor requests for return receipts. Talk about your self-induced DoS attack :) Does mutt have a quadoption for this? Paul, didn't you have a bounce set up for HTML? Or was it the Dman? Wasn't that in Exim, or procmail? Seems like a confirmation could be set up based on the same kind of parameters. Since I just barely have Mutt and Exim working, I'll bow to your expertise on this. ;) -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logging all hits in Apache
Rus Foster wrote: Hi Folks, I've got a few virtualhosts on my server and they are logging quite happily into their appropiate files. However what I would also like to do is log all hits for all the servers into one file as well. i.e. so each hit get logs twice. Can this be done? I'm guessing you have the LogFormat and CustomLog statements in each virtual host directive, right? Have you tried putting those statements in the global section? I don't see any reason for that not to work. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 12:40:36AM -0600, DvB wrote: Once again, if cutting taxes is going to put the government $300B in the hole, they need to cut some programs and I don't think there're many that can be justified being cut. Considering the military accounts for over 40% of government spending, I think we found a place to start trimming fat heavily. Especially if our politicians are going to keep claiming we're a peace-loving nation. Peace-loving nations don't spend damn near half thier money on a military. Uh, that's not exactly factual. The 40% you refer must be the amount spent on militant oldsters for Social Security (22%), Medicare (11%), and Medicaid (7%). The portion of the budget spent on defense is 17%.[1] The amazing tales of the amounts supposedly being spent on the military seem to be urban legends that just keep getting repeated. [1] http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/ -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Capitalism (was Re: columbia -- what really happened)
Daniel Barclay wrote: Jack Nguy wrote: Why is this on this mailing list again? By the way, your message asks for a return receipt, which I would guess isn't everyone's preferred setting for a mailing list. Maybe for mail-lists we should honor requests for return receipts. Talk about your self-induced DoS attack :) -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
Pigeon wrote: On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:42:50AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:41:01AM +, Pigeon wrote: On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 02:37:53PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Pigeon writes: big snip On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 10:03:50PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: s/geosynchronous/geostationary I claim 1:41am exemption. :-) My dictionary (American Heritage College Dictionary) sz they're synonyms. Save your valuable exemption for a real error :) -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes I fear I am living beyond my mental means--Nash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 10:32:10PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote: My dictionary (American Heritage College Dictionary) sz they're synonyms. Save your valuable exemption for a real error :) And American Heritage Dictionary also screws up the definition of hacker, giving it the meaning of cracker. This should be a clue in this group. Use dict instead, as you can (usually) get multiple sources for the definition (geosynchronous and geostationary being an exception, apparently). All geostationary orbits are also geosynchronous, but not all geosynchronous orbits are geostationary. baloo@ursine:~$ dict geosynchronous 1 definition found From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]: geosynchronous adj : of or having an orbit with a fixed period of 24 hours (although the position in the orbit may not be fixed with respect to the earth) baloo@ursine:~$ dict geostationary 1 definition found From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]: geostationary adj : of or having a geosynchronous orbit such that the position in such an orbit is fixed with respect to the earth; a geostationary satellite True, true. Any orbit not sharing Earth's axis will have an apparent figure 8 track. However, the parameters of the orbit (over the equator) defines an orbit that is the stationary subset of synchronous orbits. So, within the context of the thread, they are synonymous, if not in the general case. From a logic class many years ago: All Volvo drivers are liberal, but not all liberals drive Volvos. Here we are talking about a particular liberal that *does* drive a Volvo. :) Either way, it's a good catch. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster (space elevators)
John Hasler wrote: Gary Turner writes: Not just impact. Impact is the most likely cause of failure. I don't doubt that, but I did not address probabilities. If the elevator should part at the CG, 23,500 miles of material would fall to the East, nearly circumnavigating the globe. The lower portion would not be heavy enough to do much damage. The upper portion could be designed not to survive passage through the atmosphere. Hmm. If a low mass ribbon were used, wouldn't terminal velocity due to drag be too low have much negative effect? Someone with a lot more aerodynamics than I have would have to figure that out. [Taper] would be more efficient, but is not *required*. Required. Inter-atomic bonds are not strong enough to support an untapered cable. Beyond my ken. The idea of ribbons seems a bad idea. Think of the vibratory forces. People have already done so. I would hope so. However, there are more stable cross section forms. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Robert A. Heinlein. He used the idea (space elevators--including construction and installation details) in several short stories and at least one novel, going back to at least the 60's, maybe earlier. Name them. It's been years. IIRC, Friday from the early 80s (maybe) addressed this. I can't put my finger on the short stories or particular articles/essays. Sorry. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
John Hasler wrote: Pigeon writes: It would be under tension, because the upper station is outside the geosynchronous orbit. So the bit above the break would fly off into space, and the lower bit would fall back. The tension would taper from nominally zero at the base to maximum at the attachment to the counterweight. Actually, maximum tension occurs at the CG, with minimums at the ends. Forces are reversed, maximum at the ends, and minimum (balanced) at the CG. These are tidal forces. A single point counter-weight, as opposed to distributed, will cause a discontinuity in the function, but the function holds true on either side of the break. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
DvB wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 03:59, James Buchanan wrote: On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 11:34:51PM -0600, DvB wrote: James Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip whole bunches Once you find a private company or NGO that's willing to provide adequate transportation service to my metropolitan area, without making a profit, I might also be willing to discuss the possibility of giving them my taxes intead of the government. Now, just exactly why should someone risk their capital to provide you a service without expecting a positive return? It looks like what you really want is for someone else to pay for what you [want to] use. If you're not willing to pay full fare, maybe you don't really want it as much as you say. If government does not create a (private) monopoly, and profits are *too* large, competition will arise to create balance. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
DvB wrote: Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip Yeah, after all it's not their money .. they just worked hard to earn it. You don't work hard for stock dividends. You just put your money in stocks and they come all by themselves... although I guess I did word that a little strangely. Where the hell do you think the money came from? If an investor can't expect a return, why should he put himself at risk? What kind of idiot was your economics prof? -- gt[EMAIL PROTECTED] You have a RIGHT to your opinion---even if it is crap. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
Paul E Condon wrote: Gary Turner wrote: John Hasler wrote: Pigeon writes: It would be under tension, because the upper station is outside the geosynchronous orbit. So the bit above the break would fly off into space, and the lower bit would fall back. The tension would taper from nominally zero at the base to maximum at the attachment to the counterweight. Actually, maximum tension occurs at the CG, with minimums at the ends. Forces are reversed, maximum at the ends, and minimum (balanced) at the CG. These are tidal forces. A single point counter-weight, as opposed to distributed, will cause a discontinuity in the function, but the function holds true on either side of the break. Center of gravity (CG) is of doubtful value in thinking about this problem. The object extends over a region in which substantially different gravitational accelerations occur, and is at rest in a reference frame in which there is significant centrifugal force. More correctly, center of mass. But the effect is the same. The rules of the space elevator game, as I understand them, are 1 a vertical tension member 2 mass at upper end is at higher altitude than geostationary orbit 3 mass at lower end is close to the surface of the Earth 4 the whole thing is stationary with respect to the Earth as a reference frame. 5 Adjust unspecified parameters so that it stays put without very large rockets or other cheats. This tidal dependent structure is inherently stable. Some kind of accommodations will likely be needed. Atmospheric conditions can exhibit tremendous lateral forces. These conditions imply that maximum tension is at geosychronous orbit altitude. Below that altitude tension is increasing with altitude. Above that altitude tension is decreasing with increase in altitude. For an interesting application of these principles, read Larry Niven's The Integral Trees. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster
Paul E Condon wrote: Gary Turner wrote: DvB wrote: Nathan E Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip Yeah, after all it's not their money .. they just worked hard to earn it. You don't work hard for stock dividends. You just put your money in stocks and they come all by themselves... although I guess I did word that a little strangely. Where the hell do you think the money came from? If an investor can't Actually, all money comes from the government, and the government uses the banking system to distribute it. Try producing your own money. You won't have much success. Actually, money is a government certified medium of exchange for goods and services. In the above, s/money/goods and services/ eg. Actually, all goods and services come from the government...Try producing your own goods and services. It's easy to forget that money is a reference, and a reference is not the object. expect a return, why should he put himself at risk? What kind of idiot was your economics prof? Please don't cc. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please help on adsl sharing
Paul Johnson wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:55:17AM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote: This may not be what you want to hear, but the best thing is probably to spend $25-$50 for a cable/DSL router with a built in firewall. Not necissarily an option. 1) I tend to hear about security problems with them roughly as often as Internet Explorer. Can you expand on that? The ratio here is lebenty-seven to none. [...] -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shuttle disaster (space elevators)
John Hasler wrote: Paul E Condon writes: It is not hard to compute the tension in a space elevator ribbon. (It would be a fair question for a final exam in an undergraduate mechanics course.) It depends on position along the ribbon, on the Earth parameters (size, rate of rotation, etc. )... Of course, 2Pi*r/24hrs at the CG must be the rate of rotation. In other words it must be in geosynchronous orbit. In particular there is no reason for there to be any significant tension is the cable at the base. With proper controls such a cable should just hang there if severed at or near ground level. A fail-safe design would make the connection to the bottom anchor the weakest point so that an over-tension event would not result in a cable fall. The real risk comes from an impact high up on the cable. Not just impact. The tension at the CG will be incredible-- the integral from r(at CG) to r(at surface) of M(a[gravity]- a[angular])dr. If the elevator should part at the CG, 23,500 miles of material would fall to the East, nearly circumnavigating the globe. If I don't have this quite right, I claim 40 yrs of opportunity to forget integral calc. :) ...the mass-per-unit-length (kg/m) that is assumed for the ribbon. Which must be tapered, of course. That would be more efficient, but is not *required*. The idea of ribbons seems a bad idea. Think of the vibratory forces. Resonances would exist in every section at umpteen harmonics, and don't even think about the odd order heterodynes. [...] I'm surprised no one has mentioned Robert A. Heinlein. He used the idea (space elevators--including construction and installation details) in several short stories and at least one novel, going back to at least the 60's, maybe earlier. This is the guy who, in the late 30's, described the physics and practical application of the nuclear pile. More importantly, he is credited with the invention of the water bed. What a mind. :) -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to prevent x startup
David Turetsky wrote: David Turetsky wrote: [...] How do I abort the startup of x? Kent West At the LILO: prompt, enter linux single. [...] David Turetsky YES!!! Thank you. Now I can go on to experiment with corrections to my XF86Config file [...] If I had not had such a misspent youth, I might have remembered 'linux single,' but then . . . Hah! Your supposed to read the books, not eat the covers. :) For a quick and dirty way to disable GDM, open /etc/init.d/gdm. Right after the hash-bang, make the next line 'exit 0'. When you get your config right, you can simply delete the line or comment it out. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you find you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: simple (non-technial) software question
Phil wrote: I'm setting -up linux machines at a school and the teachers are interested in Mavis Beacon teaches typing and Mathblaster type programs. They want programs that are fun for the kids and teach them things at the same time. Does anyone have any suggestions? apt-cache search typing gave up several candidates. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: out of space in /var/cache/apt/archives
Nick Hastings wrote: Hi, * Nori Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030205 11:31]: my /var is 465M. i'm trying to do and apt-get upgrade, which i haven't in a while, and got the following message: Need to get 69.0MB/109MB of archives. After unpacking 39.1MB will be used. E: Sorry, you don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ to hold all the .debs. snip To safely remove old/obsolete packages from the cache: apt-get autoclean If this still doesn't give you enough space you can tell apt to put the cache somewhere other than /var, however I can't remember how to do that. I think there was a thread regarding this a few weeks ago, so have a look in the archives, or try reading the apt-get man page or the apt howto. I had the same problem. The solution for me was to move the cache. 1. mkdir /home/aptcache# or pick another location--/usr/local/lib # comes to mind 2. in /etc/apt/apt.conf do Dir::Cache::Archives /home/aptcache; See man apt.conf -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache, mod_perl, apt-get php4
cmustard wrote: I run apache 1.3.26 and mod_perl, i recently did 'apt-get install php4', which installed fine and ran apachectl when finished which i assumed meant snip I am sure there are great docs for this question, as i'm sure it's asked all the time but i seem unable to find them. Thank you, yes i'm more than happy to RTFM, help point me in the right direction see: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ This includes a small tutorial that will get you up and running. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?
Kent West wrote: Bill Moseley wrote: On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Thorsten Haude wrote: * Timothy Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-02-05 18:27]: Have a read at what a horrible nightmare cutpaste is under X. http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html I can't find any thing horrible in this text. I actually like two buffers. Not that it always works. Although what I don't like is - double-click a URL in some text in xterm - move to mozilla - click in the Location box - move hand keyboard to type ^U to clear - move hand back - middle click to paste I'm sure someone will point out an easier way. At least in Opera I can right click and select Clear to keep from moving my hand too and from the keyboard. It's kind of ugly, but what I do is click at the very front of the URL I'm replacing, then middle click to paste, then move hand to keyboard and Shift-End, Delete, Enter, move hand back to mouse if needed. Your method seems better if you're going back to the mouse anyway; mine seems better if you plan to stay at the keyboard. But you're right, a better method would be nice. Hmm, similar here. X and icewm--no desktop; 1. Drag with left button to select, or left click to set the start, then move to the end of the block and right click to select everything in between, 2. In the browser, left button and drag to select current URL, and 3. Middle click to paste/overwrite, 4. Click go or press enter. It seems that in many, if not all, X apps Ctl[axcv] and shift-left click mimic the same commands in Windows. In addition you have cut/copy/paste in xterm and console. Try that in DOS. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, you order it from the 'Society of Hardware and Information Technology Helpers, Executive Administration Division' website - you're a member aren't you?--BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Highlighted in X, is there a buffer ?
Bill Moseley wrote: On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Gary Turner wrote: Hmm, similar here. X and icewm--no desktop; That's what I'm running. 1. Drag with left button to select, or left click to set the start, then move to the end of the block and right click to select everything in between, 2. In the browser, left button and drag to select current URL, and 3. Middle click to paste/overwrite, 4. Click go or press enter. That shouldn't work. You are creating another selection when you select the URL which then replaces the text you selected originally. You're absolutely right, of course. I should get my facts straight before yapping. The hilite/overwrite thing works with ctl [xc] and ctl-v. My bad. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrate from RedHat to Debian
Jimbo De La Fuente wrote: Hi List, I've been using RedHat for a couple of years. Now, as a result of their change in EOL (only untill the end of year for the latest release RedHat 8.0) I want to switch to another distro. My preference goes to Debian. I do have some doubts before really switching. snip What are the experiences other people have with migrating from RedHat to Debian. Are there any other options as a distro (I'm looking for a distro with security written in bold)? Not quite what you asked for, I started as a rank (as in French cheese) beginner in Linux. My only knowledge of Red Hat and other RPM based distros comes from app support mailing lists. I can only thank whatever gods there are that I avoided that particular bit of Hell. Debian's package management system, coupled with a sane and adhered-to policy of how things should work, simply leaves me feeling sorry for the other guys. Security? I guess that depends on you and your requirements. It is nice to know that with debs, it is so very easy to install *only* those services you need. In addition, in the stable flavor, security upgrades are back-ported, minimizing potential breakage. If security is critical, I'm guessing this is a server. If so, Woody is the way to go anyway. Secure, dependable, and maintainable---sounds like a plan. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: give me the command line - REPHRASED
Hans Christian Andersen wrote: On booting my woody-box it goes directly into X without letting me command startx. How do I make it stay at a command line untill I order startx? The answers you were given address *exactly* that. -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What this error means?
César Augusto Seronni Filho wrote: TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer externalIP:20522/20 shrinks window 448523626 Googling gave up this among others; http://www.der-keiler.de/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/focus-linux/2001-08/0026.html Of course, I don't know what the answer means any more than I grok the error :) -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Desktop environment---what am I missing?
I run X with icewm. No KDE or Gnome. What would be the advantage(s) of adding one of these facilities? -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, you order it from the 'Society of Hardware and Information Technology Helpers, Executive Administration Division' website - you're a member aren't you?--BOFH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Desktop environment---what am I missing?
nate wrote: Gary Turner said: I run X with icewm. No KDE or Gnome. What would be the advantage(s) of adding one of these facilities? a more integrated experience. Generally a more consistant look feel between the apps. File managers with a good deal of mime types configured so you can click/double click on a file and have it open in the default app. Tnx, Nate. There's nothing there that I just hafta have. I usually call files from the app rather than have the file start the app, and icewm's look is consistent enough for me. The primary need here for X lies in browsers. I'll have 7 or 8 open at a time to test web pages. Now, if you have a quick/simple/direct way to copy/cut/paste between X and console... [...] -- gt [EMAIL PROTECTED] If someone tells you--- I have a sense of humor, but that's not funny. ---they don't. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
