Re: Installera om hela Debian?
Björn Johansson wrote: Hej! alsaconf hittar inte något ljudkort. Jag fattar inte varför, men jag misstänker att jag gjort någonting, fast jag fattar inte vad? :-( Hmm.. Vad kör du för relese? Vilken kärna? Vill minnas att alsa i sarg var inkompatibelt med kärnan i sarge !??!! Jag löste det för länge sedan genom att suga in en kärna från unstabel (med hjälp av pinned funktionen i apt). /LaH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installera om hela Debian?
Björn Johansson wrote: Grejen är den att jag hade ljud i Debian med standard kärnan efter min första installation av Debian, men sedan när jag lade till min egen kärna så slutade ljudet att funka, även med standard kärnan. Ljud dör här nästan vid varje upgradering av kärnan. Men än så länge har alsaconfig fixat det :-/ /LaH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Amavis trasig? (sarge)
Amavis i testing verkar trasig. Har det hänt någon mer eller är det mitt system som är trasigt? Om det är testing som är trasigt, känner någon till en workaround? Och, finns det ett sätt att konfigurera postfix så den använder amavis bara om den finns, är demonen nere så levereras mailen otestade. Käns viktigare att alla mail kommer fram än att alla mail blir testade :-/ MVH /LaH Meddelande vid försök att starta amavis; # /etc/init.d/amavis start Starting amavisd: ERROR: MISSING REQUIRED BASIC MODULES: MIME::Words MIME::Decoder::QuotedPrint BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/amavisd-new line 128. (failed).
Re: netinstall med comhem
Torbjörn Svensson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anders Lövgren wrote: | För att logga in till comhem kan du använda Links. Åtminstånde version | 2.1pre15 förstår javascript och fungerar OK med comhems inloggningsformulär. | Lynx borde också fungera, men du får gå till inloggningsformuläret direkt. | Tror att URL:en fortfarande är http://10.0.0.6/sd/init/init.html Ett alternativ är att använda någon form av klient som hanterar detta, in populär är qadsl, men varesig denna eller links/lynx finns tillgänlig under installtionen. Det går att fixa med wget... men skriv ut manualen först någonstans, tror inte den finns på installationsdisken. wget, more filen för att lista ut vad javascriptet gör, wgetta nästa steg Krävs lite trix. Har gort det med wget i nätinstallations CD:n... Den på floppy är bantad tror jag. Vet inte om den klarar det. /LaH
Grub och debian.
Har en sarge maskin installerad från skratch med grub. Där uppdateras grubs bootmeny automatiskt med mya kernels. Håller nu på att konverterar en gammal installation, updaterad till sarg, från lilo till grub... Hur får jag den att uppdatera bootmenyn automatiskt. Det är inget problem att ha både grub och lilo installerade samtidigt :-/ Måste man skriva grub till MBR manuellt? Kan man köra något av skripten som körs vid systeminstalation för att fixa det? /LaH
Re: Computer sweden och Firefox
Anders Wallenquist wrote: Det ryktas att en artikel om Longhorn kontra Linux kom in i Computer sweden. Untertecknad blev telefonintervjuad av Joel Åslund och resultatet blev en artikel. http://computersweden.idg.se/ för de som vill testa. Funkar för mej (firefox, testing). Men den enda artikel jag hittade på ämnet 'Myterna - sanningen bakom de sju ryktena om Linux ' http://computersweden.idg.se/ArticlePages/200409/13/20040913075952_CS176/20040913075952_CS176.dbp.asp, Men den kräver 'webbkod' för att komma åt. /LaH
Re: Computer sweden och Firefox
Nils wrote: On, 15 September 2004, 13:32, skrev Anders Wallenquist: Nu visar det sig vara problem att visa tidningens artiklar i Firefox/Mozilla/Epiphany/Konqeror och Nautilus. Nautilus visar förstasidan men klarar inte sökfunktionen. Firefox - fick upp computersweden.idg.se efter 3-4 omladdningar och ca. 5 min väntan - gick att logga in men står nu och stampar på samma ställe utan att kunna ladda några länkar från förstasidan. Funkar klockrent för mig. Jag har debians flashplayer-mozilla installerad, inte den 'officiella' flashpluginen. Kan det vara en orsak? /LaH
Re: Apache2 + php
Christian wrote: Hejsan. Efter en dist-upgrade för ca en vecka sedan slutade apache med stöd för php funka. Html-filer funkade som vanligt, det var bara .php-filerna som inte fungerade. Jag kollade httpd.conf men allt såg rätt ut. Efter att jag försökt allt jag kunde komma på så tog jag bort apache och uppgraderade till apache2. Men jag har fortfarande samma problem... Vilken dist? I testing... men det var ett tag sen det kom nu, åkte en inkompatibel version av mmCache in. Använder du mmCache? Kommentera isf ut det ur /etc/php/apache/php.ini (om jag minns rätt). HTH /LaH
Re: NON-US eller vad???
Per Olofsson wrote: Christoffer Sawicki: non-us-märkta saker får inte exporteras ut ur USA. Det innebär att du gärna får välja den om du vill, såvida du inte tankar den från en amerikansk server... Och en sak, du kanske ska försöka dig på att installera Debian 3.1 (Sarge) istället? Det är inte släppt än, men beräknas vara färdigt i nästa månad. Notera också att non-us inte används längre sedan USA mjukade upp exportrestriktionerna. Den behövs alltså inte om man kör sarge eller sid. Jupp... Men det skulle behövas en 'non-patent' för områden där mjukvarupatent inte gäller. Börjar tröttna på kripleware pga av patentskräck! Sen kan de håriga alltid snickanvända dom versionerna... olagligt, riskfullt, men knappast omoraliskt. /LaH
x-keyboard samanbrott i testing
hmm... är det någon mer än jag som märkt av ett smygande samanbrott i x tangentbordshantering på sista tiden i testing. började med att piltangenterna strulade för några veckor sedan. sen försvan tangenten häromdan. men genom att byta tangentbordslayout med gnomes tangentbordslayoutapplet så fick jag tillbaks det, för att lite senare förlora shift och numlock. caps lock tänder och släcker lampan, men påverkar inte storleken på tecknen som skrivs in mysko. lah
Re: x-keyboard samanbrott i testing
Henrik Enberg wrote: Love Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jag har också börjat få problem. Numera funkar inte NumLock, och Capsen har börjat strula. Jag (som förvisso är väldigt mycket newbie) ser inga *uppenbara* fel i min XF86Config, så jag vet inte riktigt vad det kan vara. Men om det är fler än jag och den gode Lars som har haft problem lär det väl vara något med unstable-disten i sig? Eller några andra pigga förslag? Använder ni möjligtvis Gnome 2.6? Det bryr sig inte om vad som står i XF86Config-4 och den tar bord de modifikationer din ~/.Xmodmap gör om du har en. All in the name of usability. Jag gör det inte. det är bara gnome 2.4 i testing än så länge... däremot verkar 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 vara den som ligger i testing nu, så det än nog buggen Johan Björklund nämner. får försöka sno xlibs ur unstable få se om den går in... lah
Re: x-keyboard samanbrott i testing
Lars Hallberg wrote: Henrik Enberg wrote: Använder ni möjligtvis Gnome 2.6? Det bryr sig inte om vad som står i XF86Config-4 och den tar bord de modifikationer din ~/.Xmodmap gör om du har en. All in the name of usability. Jag gör det inte. det är bara gnome 2.4 i testing än så länge... däremot verkar 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 vara den som ligger i testing nu, så det än nog buggen Johan Björklund nämner. får försöka sno xlibs ur unstable få se om den går in... apt-get install xlibs/unstable med en /etc/apt/preferences inehållande: Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 800 Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 500 och både testing och unstable i /etc/apt/source.list installerade 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 helt utan problem, och det verkar ha fix... nja... alt gr 8 ger [ men alt gr 9 ger 9... *grmbl* alt gr 4 och 0 verkar också borta nåja, än så länge bättre i alla fall! Kan vara mixen av paket från unstable och testing som spökar nu? Tack /LaH
Re: Varde ljus
Pelle Nilsson wrote: Hej! Min skärm verkar hålla på att säcka ihop, bilden blir nämligen mörkare och mörkare, och det finns ingen ratt för att justera ljusstyrkan på skärmen. Förr eller senare blir jag väl tvungen att köpa en ny skärm, men som preliminär lösning vore det bra om det gick att höja ljusstyrkan på mjukvarunivå. Går det att ordna? $ man xgamma kanske? /LaH
CVS monitor
Ursäkta denna simpla fråga... men paketsökningen på debian.org är ju nere än så :-/ Vet nogon ifall CVS monitor finns paketerad för debian (testing, unstable)? Verkar vara avsevärt bättre än 'konkurenterna'. http://ali.as/devel/cvsmonitor/ /LaH
Re: Installation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:23:10 +0100 (MET), Andreas Farre [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user.swedish: Jag har en Toshiba Tecra 540CDT, och det är Debian 3.0 rev1 jag försöker installera. Jag klarar av att boota från cd-rom, jag lyckas dela upp partitioner, initera swap och linuxpartitioner. Sedan dyker det upp problem när jag ska installera kernel då min cd (som jag bootat från) inte går att ange som källa. Jag installerade nyss en 500CDT med bf24 kärna. Funkade bra, men cd:n funkar faktiskt inte out of the box, och jag har inte försökt fixa det än (gorde en disket + nät install, så jag är väll inte till *så* mycke hjälp). Å nu har den totalt brytit ihop efter en upgrade till testing. Realese critical bug skulle jag vilja säga då den inte bootar efter uppgrade utan att jag ens upgraderade kärnan. Fick nått medelande under install, ska kolla upp det och rota i lilo.conf (hadde ju tänkt göra det innan reeboot, men sen råhängde den nya X-Servern). Så basala saker som att kärnan bootar efter en uppgradering bör inte kräva handpålägning :-( Om jag nu bara hittar den där bootdisketten jag skapade. Varför finns ingen kontorsgrep? /LaH
Mailfilter på lästa mail.
Har följt mailfilterdiskutionen med visst intresse. Vilka verktyg finns för att filtrera enbart lästa mail äldre än en viss tid (mätt i dygn)? Läser mina mail via IMAP och ibland på slö förbindelse. Mapparna jag sorterar till är stora, ibland upp mot 3 mail - så jag vill inte sortera in nya mail där utan läsa alla nya mail i inbox (så jag slipper öpna de där stora mapparna speciellt ofta). Men sedan vore det bra om de flyttades till rätt 'arkiv' efter någon dag. Mail jag måste göra något åt flyttar jag manuellt till en 'aktuellt' map. Med ett sådant här 'lästa mail filter' kunde jag bara flytta tillbaks dem till inbox när jag behandlat dem klart - så skulle de sedan filtreras dit de ska. Använder för närvarande mozilla mail och spamfiltret där är OK. Har dock inte kommit på ett sätt att få mozilla att kolla efter nya mail i flera mappar så det är ytterligare en orsak att filtrera mailen först efter att de är lästa! Ett spamfilter på servern är dock ett framtida projekt - det bästa vore om det flytta spam till samma junkmapp som mozilla använder. och sen kan man skriva något skript som: Sänder alla 'nya' lästa mail i junkmappen till serverns filterträning som spam. Sänder alla 'nya' lästa mail i inbox till serverns filterträning som inte spam. Det gör att man från vilken IMAP-klient som hellst kan träna spamfiltren bara genom att flytta spam till junkmappen. Det betyder även att serverns och mozillas filter kan lära av varandra! Poängen med spamfiltrering även på servern är naturligtvis att få mindre mail att ladda ner från inbox när man sitter på en slö länk. För detta krävs ett program som kan läsa och flytta mail mellan olika lokala mappar. Ungefär samma fråga som den första alltså. Vad finns det för program för att bearbeta mail i lokala mappar för olika mappformat? Tack /LaH
Re: Testing paket på en stable.
Christoffer Sawicki wrote: Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En *sen* uppföljningsfråga... hur bra spelar aptitude med taggade realeser? Hur bra som helst. Perfekt, och tack för länken nedan. Lyckades suga in firebird från http://source.backports.org/ och det funkar bra. Thunderbird har dock tydligen dragits tillbaks - och jag finner inget sätt att ens bygga den från unstablepaketet med apt-get source utan att dra in så mycket via build-dep att det är lika bra att uppgradera till testing :-/ Någon som lyckats få in thunderbird på stable utan att behöva upgradera mycket? Däremot lyckades jag installera rox (trevlig filhanterare - skrivbordsmiljö - i synerhet för lite slöare burkar) med apt-get source med bara få paket indragna från gnome2.2 backporten till stable. Om någon vill ha en biskrivning på hur (inte så svårt), maila mej så ska jag försöka hinna med att lägga upp en sida och posta URL:n hit. Jag tänkte prova på http://source.backports.org/ genom taggning (bara installera det jag vill ha, mozilla firebird och thunderbird bla . Håller på att försöka lista ut hur man taggar det Using Non-Debian Sources @ http://www.argon.org/~roderick/apt-pinning.html */ Christoffer Sawicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailfilter på lästa mail.
Joakim nordberg wrote: sätt upp ett procmailfilter och kör ett litet skript efter att du läst dina mail! mitt skript ser ut så här: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ more bin/mbox2procmail #!/bin/sh ORGMAIL=/var/mail/$LOGNAME if cd $HOME \ test -s $ORGMAIL \ lockfile -r0 -l1024 .newmail.lock 2/dev/null then trap rm -f .newmail.lock 1 2 3 13 15 umask 077 lockfile -l1024 -ml cat $ORGMAIL .newmail cat /dev/null $ORGMAIL lockfile -mu formail -s procmail .newmail rm -f .newmail rm -f .newmail.lock fi exit 0 OK, vad är skillnaden på (handlar det bara om att behålla filrättigheterna - det borde isf inte vara något man behöver tänka på för ~/mbox??): cat $ORGMAIL .newmail cat /dev/null $ORGMAIL och mv $ORGMAIL .newmail Hmm $ORGMAIL blir tom men finns kvar? Men vore inte en mv bättre på första raden endå? Måste mbox finnas för att de ska gå att sända mail till den (skulle inte procmail skapa den om den inte fanns)? Sen är det ju bra att låsa .newmail, men det jag verkligen vill göra är att låsa ~/mbox, så jag inte bråkar med imapdemonen. Har debian någon standard för låsning av mailboxar i $HOME? Vore kul att veta även för att jag ibland kör mutt på samma mailboxar som imapdemonen använder :-/ Undrar även vad jag ska göra med curier.IMAP:s statusmail, stoppa tillbaks dom eller ta bort dom (är de giltliga efter att mail försvunnit ur MBOX)??? Har efter lite rotande i mbox funnit ut att lästa mail har en Status: header som inehåller bokstaven R, vanligen OR verkar det, så den biten är i alla fall löst. Lite rotande kvar här - om någon har svar på frogorna om låsning och curiers statusmedelanden är jag tacksam. Själv rotar jag vidare här. Tack Joakim och även Thomas för all hjälp så långt! /LaH
Re: Testing paket på en stable.
Qerub wrote: Japp, det vågar du. Du kommer inte att lämna stable, förutom för de paket du installerat manuellt från testing/unstable. En *sen* uppföljningsfråga... hur bra spelar aptitude med taggade realeser? Jag tänkte prova på http://source.backports.org/ genom taggning (bara installera det jag vill ha, mozilla firebird och thunderbird bla . Håller på att försöka lista ut hur man taggar det Om någon har erfarenhet av http://source.backports.org/ så får ni gärna berätta Tack på förhand /LaH - Original Message - From: lasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user-swedish@lists.debian.org Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Testing paket på en stable. oki, det funkar.. men vågar jag nu köra tex apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade ? så burkar jag göra för att se till att jag alltid har säkerhets fixarna.. eller blir det nu så att om jag kör apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade så övergår jag till testing? On Sat, 31 May 2003 04:09:40 +0200 Christoffer Sawicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: * Pin: release o=Debian,a=stable Pin-Priority: 900 Package: * Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing Pin-Priority: 400 Package: * Pin: release o=Debian,a=unstable Pin-Priority: 300 Package: * Pin: release o=Debian Pin-Priority: -1
Re: [ot] Nej, inte ramar! [was: Html-editor]
Thomas Nyman wrote: Hej har lite svårt att förstå detta med varför frames är av ondo (se nedan). Jag skulle vilja ha en sida där man har lite olika färger i olika segment och det förefaller som utmärkt att använda frames...om man nu inte skall använda frames vad är den lämpligaste metoden för att variera utseendet på en och samma sida (utan att behöva skapa avancerade bilder att använda som bakgrund)? Tja... Det går inte att djuplänka, t ex sätta ett bokmärke till en specifik undersida. Om sökmotorer ändå djuplänkar till inehåll får man upp det direkt - utan ramen med navigation... mycket störigt. Frames *kan*, i undantag, vara brukbara i webaplikationer - men i princip aldrig för hemsidor. För att göra det du vill finns två sätt gammalt: HTML-tabeller, ont, men inte lika ont som frames. nytt: CSS, Bäst och skojigast! /LaH
Re: [OT] - X kontra Aqua
Fredrik Persson wrote: Jag tycker nog att det där funkar i princip jämt, men det kan ju finnas undantag. Jag använder oftast X-varianten av klippbord, dvs markera - mittenklicka. Men detta gör ju att jag ALDRIG kan klippa in länkar i min browser lika snabbt som i MS Windows, eftersom jag inte får markera ÖVER den text som ska ersättas. Otroligt frustrerande faktiskt. Instämmer, försökte för ett halvår sedan föreslå en lösning på feedesktoplistan, men jag tror min engelska var för dålig. Nån annan kanske vill försöka ;-) Freedesktopstandarden använder inte sekundär selection, men den skulle kunna lösa detta problem. När man markerar en ny markering så hamnar den i primär selection. Då skulle den gammla kunna kopieras till sekundär selection. Om man sedan mittenklickar i den nya selection så ersätts den texten av sekundär selektion och inehållet i primär och sekundär swapas, så man kan mittenklicka igen för att byta tillbaks. Viola, markera, markera om, mittenklicka för att byta ut! (Älskar generelt den här X finnessen, att kunna kopiera bara med musen - utan att behöva fibla med tangentbord. Använder helst tangentbord eller mus, hatar att fibla fram och tillbaks) Det enda som går förlorat är 'x-metoden' för att kopiera en selection in i sig själv - något jag aldrig använt på 8 år med X. En ytterligare förbättring vore att om den nya selectionen (svengelska) överlappar den gammla så skriver man *inte* över sekundär. Då skulle det gå att justera felaktiga selections enklare. Om en selection bara tas bort (med ett vänsterklick) så kopieras sekundär tillbaks till primär vilket också ger en möjlighet att justera misstag. Nu kan man iofs justera selections med högerklick i klassisk X, men de flesta program dumpar den möjligheten till förmån för högermenyer, något jag tycker är en bra sak! Men man skulle ju kunna tänka sig ett 'ångra markera' val på högermenyn för selections som tar bort selection och återför sekundär till primär. Allt för att underlätta justeringar av misstag. Det som är bra är att detta kan införas i ett program i taget, de program som har finessen får det, utan att störa samverkan med andra program. Program som använder sekundär till något annat kan möjligen störa/störas... men jag känner inte till program som gör något vettigt med sekundär selection idag. Man borde antagligen skriva ett litet demoprogram på det här för att ilustrera hur användbart det är ;-) Flamewar??? Nä, men freedesktop håller väll på att lösa alla de här problemen? Och det börjar se ganska lovande ut ;-) En del av problemen är ju distarnas ansvar - att det bara ska funka rakt av ;-) /LaH
Re: Debians spel PC?
Mattias Wikstrom wrote: CD:n går nog lika bra eller netinstall, huvudsaken är bara att Debian flyttar in på hårdskivan på nåt sätt. Jag hade för mig att nyare versioner av debian skulle ha en ny installer, men om så inte är fallet kan jag ju göra som du säger lika bra. Jo, det jobbas på en ny installer, men den är ganska alpha än vad jag vet. Iofs blir säkert några glad om du vill testa den ;-) Vet inte riktigt var man hittar den då :-/
Re: Sagan om det mytiska Mutt och imapd och dess hemlighet
Thomas Nyman wrote: Hej Problemet: Jag har inte lyckats få någon klarhet i hur mutt hanterar brevlådor. Tittar man på muttrc exempel så i vissa finns ingen brevlåda öht angiven och i andra så står en sökväg till t.ex ~/Mail . Jag skulle alltså vilja få klarhet i hur och vilka olika alternativ det finns för att ange olika brevlådor i mutt. Hmm när jag trycker c i mutt får jag öppna ny brevlåda... var som helst i filsystemet med tab-kompetion... och möjligheta att öpna en lista med alternativ om jag vill. Om jag i muttrc spcar vilka mappar som får nya mail så kollar den dom automatiskt och föreslår första mappen med nya mail när jag trycker c. Det har funkar för mej ihop med de flesta andra epostprogram (utom de som flyttar in mailen i ett helt eget format). Sen kommer vi till nästa fråga som berör imapd. Oavsett vilket program jag använder så händer följande när man ansluter till min imap server. Email programmet visar alla mappar i hierarkin oavsett om det är fråga om brevlådor. Således ser man t.ex mappen foo som inehåller textfiler men inte epost. Jag har inte lyckats hitta någon config fil för imapd - finns det någon som känner till var jag kan hitta info om detta. Ja! Jag letar också efter en imap server som: * stödjer SSL * Låter mig configurera vilka filer och kattaloger den ska 'se' med en enkel configfil i hemkattalogen. Vill göra nåt så här enkelt (eventuellt kunna speca olika mailboxformat också): file mbox inbox dir Mail Så såg man inbox - mbox och kattalogen Mail när man loggade in över IMAP, istället för [EMAIL PROTECTED] hela hemkattalogen... Har hittat de som tillåter att man flyttar hela imap rooten till t ex Mail (och en del mailklienter tillåter det också) men då kommer man inte alls åt mbox [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-( En dirty workorund är att skapa underkattalogen imap med symlänkar inbox - ~/mbox Mail - ~/Mail Å sedan göra den till imap root... Är lite orolig för hur olika epostprogram och imapservern samsas om fillås med den lösningen dock :-/ Och varför det inte går att fixa med en .imap fil övergår mitt förstånd! /LaH
Re: Sagan om det mytiska Mutt och imapd och dess hemlighet
Thomas Nyman wrote: Hej ..men hur specar bu brevlådorna i muttrc - är det bara set mailbox ~/Mail och spelar det någon roll var det står? Från man muttrc som borde besvarra alla och några till frågor ;-) mailboxes filename [ filename ... ] This command specifies folders which can receive mail and which will be checked for new messages. When changing folders, pressing space will cycle through folders with new mail. Det är i listan över commands, så du ska rimligen inte skriva set före! Set ska användas för config variabler. HTH /LaH
postfix-tls (SASL) för att ta imot utgå ende mail utifrån.
Hej, jag kör en mailserver med postfix som hanterar några maildomäner via virtual alias. Nu kan en del användare inte sända mail från sin virtuella epostadress pga av att deras ISP har kass konfigurering av sin SMTP server (evil, evil). Kan man med postfix-tls ta imot aktoriserade mail via SMTP och SASL för utgående leverans (som om de kom från det lokala nätet). Kan andra mailservers fortfarande sända ingående mail till servern utan att logga in? Finns det någon som kör postfix-tls och SASL här? Frågan är mest om det är rätt väg att lösa problemet. Att få det att funka är nästa steg. Tack på förhand /LaH
Svenska tecken i gnome?
Jag har samma problem på ett flertal installationer Svenska tecken funkar i X (mozilla, regular x-term, emacs) men inte i gnome (gedit, gnome.term etc). Jag har provat både latin-1 och unikode typsnitt i gnome controllpanel utan att lyckas). Någon mer som har problemet och ev vet hur det fixas? Ev relaterat... har inte lyckats få perl att sluta gnälla på local heller. Få varningar varje gång jag installerar eller upgraderar paket. Hur ska dessa inställningar igentligen vara (borde det inte funka rakt av då man får välja språk vid installationen?). Lite newbee karaktär på dessa frågor, men jag har bara inte brytt mig i det tidigare, men nu har en massa 'vanliga' användare börjat använda burkarna och dessa brister är lite pinsamma... hittar inte TFM heller :-/ /LaH
Re: Svenska tecken i gnome? FIX!
Att göra om locale konfigureringen hjälpte: # dpkg-reconfigure locales sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 var inte förkryssad, men jag vet att jag kryssat i den tidigare. Något som också stödjs av att sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 redan tidigare var förvald systemlocal (man får bara välja på de man kryssat i tidigare). Ibland lönar det sig att göra saker fler gånger ;-) local raporterar: $ locale LANG=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_CTYPE= LC_NUMERIC=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_TIME=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_COLLATE=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_MONETARY=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_MESSAGES=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_PAPER=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_NAME=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_ADDRESS=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_TELEPHONE=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_MEASUREMENT=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_IDENTIFICATION=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 LC_ALL= Så LANG är satta och styr allt utom LC_CTYPE som verkar överiden med blankt värde??? Det borde ju vara LC_CTYPE som har betydelse här... men det verkar funka hur som. Inte helt perfekt, i gnome-terminal visas fortfarande inte åäöÅÄÖ, men de försvinner inte, det visas blanktecken istället. Kan bero på att jag i tidigare expriment valt ett mindre lyckat typsnitt... Det löser sig nog. Tack till Pontus Johannisson som kom med de avgörande tippset (och alla andra som kommit med tipps). /LaH Lars Hallberg wrote: Jag har samma problem på ett flertal installationer Svenska tecken funkar i X (mozilla, regular x-term, emacs) men inte i gnome (gedit, gnome.term etc). Jag har provat både latin-1 och unikode typsnitt i gnome controllpanel utan att lyckas). Någon mer som har problemet och ev vet hur det fixas? Ev relaterat... har inte lyckats få perl att sluta gnälla på local heller. Få varningar varje gång jag installerar eller upgraderar paket. Hur ska dessa inställningar igentligen vara (borde det inte funka rakt av då man får välja språk vid installationen?). Lite newbee karaktär på dessa frågor, men jag har bara inte brytt mig i det tidigare, men nu har en massa 'vanliga' användare börjat använda burkarna och dessa brister är lite pinsamma... hittar inte TFM heller :-/ /LaH
dpkg error (paketet .250s)
Hej, ursäkta om det här är en dublett. Sände den direkt jag gick med på listan och jag *tror* inte den kommit igenom... Min dator krachade (totalt häng, antingen kernellåsning eller Xfree som jammade bussen). Det blev ganska omfattande diskrekonstuktion. Efter det funkar inte dpkg. När jag försöker uppdatera med apt-get (vilket paket som hellst) får jag felet (ett ex): (Läser databasen ... dpkg: fel vid hantering av /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.0.26_all.deb (--unpack): fillistfilen för paketet .250s innehåller tomt filnamn Fel uppstod vid hantering: /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.0.26_all.deb Hanteringen avbröts då för många fel uppstod. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Vad tusan är paket .250s? Vad göra. Går det att 'bygga om' dpkgs intärna data på något sätt eller ska jag instalera om. Servern är i drift, men någon timmes avbrott är uthärdligt. Kör tesdting om det är rellevant, konverterat till testing från progeny. Men felet har uppstått långt senare. Många lyckade uppdateringar sedan konverteringen från progeny. MVH och tack på förhand /Lars
dpkg error (paketet .250s)
Hej Min dator krachade (totalt häng, antingen kernellåsning eller Xfree som jammade bussen). Det blev ganska omfattande diskrekonstuktion. Efter det funkar inte dpkg. När jag försöker uppdatera med apt-get (vilket paket som hellst) får jag felet (ett ex): (Läser databasen ... dpkg: fel vid hantering av /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.0.26_all.deb (--unpack): fillistfilen för paketet .250s innehåller tomt filnamn Fel uppstod vid hantering: /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.0.26_all.deb Hanteringen avbröts då för många fel uppstod. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Vad göra. Går det att 'bygga om' dpkgs intärna data på något sätt eller ska jag instalera om. Servern är i drift, men någon timmes avbrott är uthärdligt. Kör tesdting om det är rellevant, konverterat till testing från progeny. Men felet har uppstått långt senare. Många lyckade uppdateringar sedan konverteringen från progeny. Jag har just gåt med på listan, så cc:a mig gärna för säkerhets skull! MVH och tack på förhand /Lars
Re: gcc X: reprise
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Obi writes: I could guess, but there are quite a few possibilities. The error message you recieve during compilation would be helpful. What does it say? Well, after untar the program I got an Imake file so I do a xmkmf -a and I ge -t this: imake -DUseInstalled -I/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config make Makefiles make: Nothing to be done for `Makefiles'. make includes make: Nothing to be done for `includes'. make depend gccmakedep -- -I/usr/X11R6/include -Dlinux -D__i386__ -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -DX_LOCALE -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO-- bdfresize.c charresize.c after I try with make and I get this: gcc -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -I/usr/X11R6/include -Dlinux -D__i386__ -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -DX_LOCALE -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO -c bdfresize.c -o bdfresize.o gcc -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -I/usr/X11R6/include -Dlinux -D__i386__ -D_POSIX_SOURCE -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_SVID_SOURCE -DX_LOCALE -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO -c charresize.c -o charresize.o rm -f bdfresize gcc -o bdfresize -O2 -fno-strength-reduce -m486 -L/usr/X11R6/lib bdfresize.o charresize.o charresize.o: In function `countup_score': charresize.o(.text+0x779): undefined reference to `MIN' charresize.o(.text+0x786): undefined reference to `MAX' charresize.o(.text+0x792): undefined reference to `MIN' charresize.o(.text+0x79e): undefined reference to `MAX' I have not used thes macros for a while so I dont know about recent C standards but MIN and MAX used to be standard preprocessor macros. You can define them like this: #define MIN(x, y) ((x) (y) ? (x) : (y)) #define MAX(x, y) ((x) (y) ? (x) : (y)) Add this at top of charresize.c (or cc). If this helps it migtht be good to track down the REAL problem (this is more like a sympthom). HTH /Lars make: *** [bdfresize] Error 1 I still believe that in the last command (gcc -o ...) some libraries (-l..) are missing ... -- Graziano Obertelli - aspirante palombaro E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lab's phone: (619) 534 9669 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: trouble with mh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Lauffenburger writes: BTW, I am trying to read the mh-papers to see if this might shed some light. I'm currently having a little trouble compiling the documentation using teTex - ;-) The Makefiles that build thes docs use some script that deletes the output (.dvi) depending of the return of the latex command. I hacked that feature out of the makefile and the resulting .dvi was usefull (if not completly correct as i remeber). I blamed this on me not succesfully seting up the old debian tex pakages but it might help You to HTH /Lars Any suggestions? --ken -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
g++ targetcompali - dos 8086 code?
Hello Is it posably (whit debian packages) to targetcompile C++ code for dos 8086 and 80286 targets? If not, is it posably under Linux at all? I prefere g++ or a g++ relative but if that is not possably anything goes (even commersial). If not again, is anyone runing an dos C++ compiler succesfully under DOSEMU? Or just know about a dos C++ compiler that can produce 8086 code and is more upp to date then the Borland Turbo C++ 3.0 TIA /Lars -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian 1.3 Release FAQ - Preliminary
Looks good Make sure to put a big spotlight on 'how to enable shadowconfig'. It is, as I understand it easy (shadowconfig on, restart some deamons, eg xdm), but ther allot of other descriptions on the net (and posably in /usr/doc/HOWTO) a user might run into. We alredy seen two masages about xdm not working with shadow and ther will be more if the 'Debian way' is not pushed hard enuff. Thanx /Lars In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Pick writes: --==_Exmh_-435991816P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've just volunteered to write a FAQ that will be specific to the Debian 1.3 release. Sue Campbell will put it on the website once I've written something. I'm looking for ideas on topics. How's this: 1. Overview 1.1 What new features are there in Debian 1.3? 1.2 What is rex/bo/hamm? unstable/stable? 2. Installation and Upgrading 2.1 Installing from Scratch 2.1.1 - Where do I start? 2.2 Upgrading from a Previous Release 2.2.1 - What do I have to do? 2.3 Networking 2.4 X Windows 2.4.2.1 - Which packages do I need to select to install X? 2.4.2.1 - Why can't I log in with xdm? 2.4.2.2 - What about the libXt security hole? 3. Tips Please send me ideas, or even better, fully written sections. Cheers, - Jim BTW, the lists seem slower than usual today. --==_Exmh_-435991816P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- Version: 2.6.3a iQCVAwUBM5TkWOQz770qyIfJAQEDrgP+N+3yeqdxk0h3T0RlofXFm9U/isobfAHz VHL1KrG0QQIcWDgbG3G1CQ6hWRa0+Ae6ZtdyVpJhoxpf25142QTpLqgmLbDmo3zQ x0mvLStBhxgO5dJKXOWTuXmmgxb+o4Liio8tUPNjz3kqbiJCmGX9P51gil0fUUu1 /FXX3s9dRIk= =t8jL -END PGP MESSAGE- --==_Exmh_-435991816P-- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Help with IP masquerading
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Craig San ders writes: [...] IMO, the benefits of having a local caching name server far outweigh the difficulty of installing it. [...] BTW, if you're using diald you'll probably want to configure it so that it doesn't bring up the link every time you want to resolve a name. But you'll want to do that whether you're running bind or not. Craig, sorry, got to ask You one thing... Humm, I use diald. It do for some reason lose the first package on a new fresh conection. My ugly workaround is to have no local nameresolving and the nameserver listed multiple times in /etc/resolv.conf. This way the first nameresolving atempt fails, but brings up the link, the nemeresolving is then retryed (thanks to multipel entrys in resolv.conf) and evrething comes upp as expected. This ugly workaround is expensiv as I cant have any lokal nameresolving. Much iritating as my ISP's DNS is frekvently down... As I understands it this is a problem allot of peple on this list have and I wonder: Do You know a way to 'cleanly' configuer diald/pppd? Or do You know a less expensiv/ugly workaround? Pointers to FM is welcome. Hope I have not missed something obvius... TIA /Lars craig -- craig sanders networking consultant Available for casual or contract temporary autonomous zone system administration tasks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: where is xload? (dpkg improvment?)
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott K. Ellis writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 19 May 1997, Andree Leidenfrost wrote: Hi Dirk, funny thing! The same happened to me when switching to frozen. It's in the xproc package. I do not understand what is happening there because xload definitely is in the package. It seems that it just isn't copied to it's place... Perhaps you could file a bug report on this?1? By the way, if you want to know to which package a certain file belongs you can use 'dpkg -S filename' Actually it was in the old xcontrib packages, then moved to xproc. Depending on installation order, you could install xproc with xload, xcontrib with xload, then upgrade to xcontrib without xload and loose xload. Re-install xproc and it will be there. If dpkg, when removing a pagage, check if any other package owns any files before removing them - this kind of problem will not happen I think this also will avoid futer problem like the curent swap of Latex distrubution. I don't realy know wher this ide shuld go... The Diety project, or is ther still aktiv devolopment of dpkg??? Someone, please point me or this mesage in the right direction /Lars ++ | Scott K. Ellis | Argue for your limitations and | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | sure enough, they're yours. | ||-- Illusions | ++ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM4EFKtH31Ek1qsc9AQGX1AP/fxj5E9NNpDtO/XgeiC81lgh1Abmeor0l LLrHsUdRc/8xLM5vh7UKxSDqAFgVTKcAkPKByzrqSlhByTOZrov1eppZF/tMP2Cu tEbKXxhKdxWWRI7Vv9a+/A8DUuZfhODKziUImxA0bv1nY09t/W9FmIeLR7nM+uzl Sf3l0bjL4NM= =ryJr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
diald runs ip-upp twice
Randomly diald reports New addresses twice and runs the diald.ip-up script twice. this makes fetchmail fail (started twice). This happens maybe one time out of ten. Any ide? May 21 12:49:45 zita pppd[12805]: remote IP address 193.45.137.28 May 21 12:49:46 zita diald[500]: New addresses: local 194.236.97.58, remote 193.45.137.28. May 21 12:49:49 zita fetchmail[12823]: Running /etc/diald.fetch-up May 21 12:49:50 zita diald[500]: New addresses: local 194.236.97.58, remote 193.45.137.28. May 21 12:49:53 zita fetchmail[12844]: Running /etc/diald.fetch-up -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Programming languages: where to start?
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Johann Spies write s: I have been experimenting with debian now for about 8 months and have some experience in programming in a Dos-environment using languages like Turbopascal, PDC-prolog, DBASE III and Basic earlier on. I seems to me that to be able to enjoy the power of Linux, I should be able to do some Linux programming. Where should I start? C, C++, Perl, Python, Tk, Bash script language, AWK, SQL, itcl? When programming in the past I wrote menu-based small databases most of the time and I would like to be able to write programs that are useful to me and that can be ported to a Dos/Windows environment because none of my colleagues are Linux-users. I have tentatively started working on a book 'Learn C++ Today' together with some documentation on gcc. Which is the best way from here? If portabel GUI-databases is what you want i think SQL and Tcl/Tk is best. I prefere Python before Perl but i think Python is UNIX only (corect my if I'm wrong) so You probably want Perl to compliment Tcl... C and C++ is never bad to lern and can do what you want if You chose (or write :-) the right librarys. However, I think You both lern and use Perl/Tcl/Tk faster so if Your apps don't NEED the power of C/C++ it might be a overkill. Then ther is Java, but i dont know if it has god interfaces to local databases. I have herd of DB2 clones for UNIX so You migt find a solution ther (but not the most fun). Take this as advice and pointers, not the absolute truth... HTH /Lars Johann Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windsorlaan 19 Pietermaritzburg 3201 Suid Afrika (South Africa) Tel. Nr. 0331-46-1310 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Digitizing tablets
On Tue, 13 May 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are digitizing tablets supported? Does linux allow the use of a digitizing tablet as a surrogate mouse? What drawing programs make good use of tablets? The S3 Xserver in the XFree relese included with Debian 1.2 do have support for some Wacom and others. You have to switch betwen the mouse and the table manualy :(. I dont know about the other X-Servers (Sorry, I am not at my debian box so I have no details. Do You have a tablet? In that case, tell the list what model. I use GIMP, a real good paint program. I have not got it to use the tablets Z (pessure) parameter jet (have not tryed jet) and dont know if it is possably. More irritated about the manuel switch betwin tablet and mouse as my tablet only have two buttons :(. HTH (some) /Lars Alan Davis -- Alan Eugene Davis Marianas High School 15o 8.8'N GMT+10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] AAA 196 Box 10,001145o 42.5'E Voice: (670) 235-6580 Saipan, MP 96950 Northern Mariana Islands ---===+++#+++===--- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . / / _/_ _/_ Välkommen till Micro++ Lars Hallberg /\_/\ / /WWW-hemsida [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Micro++http://www.micropp.se/ http://www.micropp.se/lah/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X packages
In message 5mupn2.0.MF5.WECUp@debian, Dale Miller writes: I had some questions about the Xwindows packages. Are they based on the stable 3.2 release? Has the public patch that is mentioned on www.xfree86.org been applied? I am asking because I have just bought an ATI 3D Expression + PC2TV card and am having trouble getting it to work with the Mach64 X server that is supplied with Debian. I have read that this card will work under the 3.2A beta. Is there any plans to package up this beta? If not, I was curious if there was somewhere that documents the changes made to the debian X distribution ie which files go in /etc/X11 so that I can make a package up that will reflect the future release because I need this beta in order for X to work. Any help will be appreciated. Some peple have reported sucess to this list with using the debinn X-free releas and simply replasing the server binary with the beta one. Might work for You. HTH /Lars Dale Miller -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS
I like the consept of dselect as it is but som improvments are welcome. The sugestions is sorted in thre cattegorys: 1) Small improvments to dselects interface. 2) Bigger new featurs to dselect. 3) New / improved featurs involving possably changes to the pakage managment system. Lets start with 1) small improvments to dselects interface... 1.1 The enter key When the user press ENTER no strange fings must happen. If its a menu, the higlited item is shosen (as it works now). Some sugestuons for other cases: ENTER in the package list: pop up a screan describing the pakage curent status in verbose text at the top. The rest of the pop-up is a menu wher You can chose wath to do with the pakage. All the pakage status in verbose (instal, purge, hold, unhold etc). Seperated by a line some options not conected to the curent package (abort menu, check dependensis and go to main menu, go to main menu without checking dependensys, abort session whitout saving changes, show pakage deskription full screan (aborted whit enter), show pakage filelist in full screen, change preferenses/view etc). ENTER in the dependesy resuluton list shold be much the same whit som extra opten like: abort dependency screen whitout saving shanges made (inkluding the changes premade by dselect). The view description option above is werry neded here. All this option shuld have an accalrator key asigned. It shold also be presented in an cosistent way in the menus, eg in squar brakets. This will help newbes bekome DEITY-gurus an fly along... 1.2 Change focus If the user press TAB Focus shold be moved. In the package list focus is cycled thru deskripton window (allow scroll of deskription whit cursor keys and space), some menus att the top of scrern (preferenses, help etc) and the man package list window. The option to scroll the deskription window with a accelarator key shold be keept. 1.3 Limited view When presing enter on the header line the first menu shose shuld be to toggel the if that group shold pe precented or not. In the begining all sections shold be closed. This will make it easier to navigate the huge set of debian pakages. 1.4 Posability to treat recomends as recomends Or shold I say as sugests. This shose shold be posably to do from the preferens menu. It's ok (possably best) if the preferenses is reset to some default when the program is restarted. Changes to the default preferenses should be posably thru a config file (dotfile). 2) Bigger improvments 2.1 Searched view A advansed serch screen would be nice. It shuld seartch the pakage names, descriptions, filelists, possably depenndensis in a powerfull manner. You may then go to a package list and chose (like usual) among onle those page maching Your querry. Dependesy resulution most of corse check all pakage. It would be nice to be able to save the querrys as well 2.1 Loging / Supressing of mesages Loging of what dselect have done and any problem wold be nice. Supression of the famus skipping mesage whold be nice. A preeview what dselect is about to do wold be nice (a list of packages to install/deinstall/perge). If the preeview is alreddy sorted in dependency order that wold bbe nice. Dependency sorting is allredy in the DEITY project? else that is a major sugestion! 2.2 Different default for different distrubutions. An exampel. DEITY is ponting both att stable and unstabel. I do have a pakage from stabel in status unhold and want it to be automaticly shosen for uppgrade if ther is a new version in stabel. But I only want it to upgrade to unstable if I tell it to. What i want is some mekanism to tell that I want to know about new stuff from some source and I want to bee able to install it by selecting it but I dont want to automagicly uppgrade to it.. undurstandable? 3.1 Pree Configure If a pakage has a PreeConfigure script that shuld be run from DEITY when the pakage is shosen for install BEFORE the dependensy resolution given the script a change to resolv the dependensys in a more context avare manner. This will add posabilatys to maake great meta pakages. This dose not demand that the config info is stored in the selection database but it be nice to at least hav a pointer to the config info in the database to make it posibly to distrubute it automaticly betwen maskines. Posably adding an uninteraktive option to install making pakages having wrong preeconfiginfo fail insted of go interaktiv on install (makes it even more possably to make automated upgrades of several maskines). 3.2 Meta and slave package Slave pakages is pakages that is normaly not shoved i DEITY selections lists. if thay are neaded they are chosen automagicaly an if the ar not neaded they are removed automagicaly. For smal pakages that take no costom configuration and comes in only one version. It shold be possably thru the preferenses to make DETIY treat slave pakages just like ordanary pakages. Meta pakages is pakages that makes it esier to install other pakages with a higer
Re: A Qt alternative for KDE?
On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Douglas L Stewart wrote: What do You think of a Wrapper Class Libary that makes it easy to write code that runns on diferent widget sets? If it makes it posably to chose real interface runtime it be real cool. One app, run it in KDE, xform, MooTiff, Athena widget set, Tcl/tk, thin Java clients ... whatever. The basic funktions (inputfield, menus etc) could also be available on textterminals (thru curses, termcap, slang ...). That makes it a perfect choice fore system tools... Anyone intrested? We culd start out whit two platforms, (eg curses and Tcl/Tk) and create the basic stuff. I am intrested in this. I can set up a Webpage and manage a mailinglist (not to big). This may have commersial intresst. AFAIK we can have it GPL:ed and att the same time sell licenses for comersial use. Will limit us some on witch library to use, they must be GLPL, not GPL... On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: Someone suggested that if we cloned Qt, we should do it using the Lesstif widget set rather than the one that Qt is presently using, and this might be an improvement on the present Qt. I've tested parts of KDE and it looks a lot better than any Motif product I've ever seen. (this from someone who has been a huge fan of the Motif interface for a long time) It's a lot better looking than say.. the CDE. There is GnuSTEP, too. If there wasn't, I think we'd have more interest in a really-free Qt. I expect a 1.0 release of GNUstep to take about the same amount of time to appear as the Hurd takes to reach 1.0. I really don't think people are looking for a whole new language and such. A consistent user interface is what they're really interesteed in. :) -douglas / / _/_ _/_ Välkommen till Micro++ Lars Hallberg /\_/\ / /WWW-hemsida [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Micro++http://www.micropp.se/ http://www.micropp.se/lah/
Re: g++ file doesn't run
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hamish Moffatt writes
:
On Mar 03, 1997 at 10:23:30PM -0500, Jeff Shilt wrote:
Thanks for the help - it does compile with g++ instead of gcc, but the exec
-utable produced isn't doing anything. Here's what i'm doing:
//test.c
#include iostream.h
main(){
cout Hello there.;
}
The test file doesn't print out anything when I run it.
As I understand it, Unix terminal IO is buffered, so nothing will
be written until a newline is sent. You never sent one, so all
bets are off; the standards don't guarantee anything if you don't
send at least one new line. (Similarly by default even character
by character input won't see anything until the user presses return).
I think buffers are suposed to get flushed when a program terminates
normaly, but I would try this anyway if nofing else helps :) The other
sugestion on the list (another 'test' is run) is more likly. You can try
runing Your own 'test' by spesifying the path (./test).
/Lars
Hamish
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Re: Chmodding a whole directory tree
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Though t writes: How do I make a whole directory tree and it's files readable by everyone? I can't just chmod -R a+r dir because then they won't be able to cd to the directories, but I can't chmod -R a+rx dir because then all the files will be executable... Is there a way to make the directories +x without making all the files +x? Or better yet is there a way to copy the owner's permissions to the group and other's permissions? Thanks Try chmod -R a+rX see man chmod HTH /Lars
Re: Problem with Smail
I think smail refuses to rewrite the from: field. So, if Your mail app is adding a from: field smail will leave it unchanged. You have to make your mail app add the right from: field (or non att all) to fix it. If You find any other solution, please tell me HTH /Lars In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jonathan A. Buzzard writes: Hi, After using Debian 0.93R6 for some 18 months, I took the opportunity of installing a bigger hard disk in my laptop to install 1.2 from the cover CD of Linux World. There where a few problems on the install, but most of= the ones I found seem to have been fixed, and everything is running = smoothly now. Except I decided to go with smail rather than sendmail, as it is the recomended mail delivery agent, and sendmail seemed overkill for a system= now connected via modem. It delivers mail fine *except* the From: field= =2E Instead of reading [EMAIL PROTECTED] I get [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Having read all the avaliable documentation (bug report man smailconfig reports no manual entry) it would appear that in /etc/smail/config the option visible_name should read hex.prestel.co.uk which surprise surprise it doe= s. I have since fiddled with every possible option that could conceivably ha= ve anything to do with this problem, all without result. It is now a week later and I am getting board with editing entries in /var/spool/smail/inp= ut to get outgoing mail correct. Ideas? JAB. -- = Jonathan A. Buzzard, 34 Kepwell Road, Prudhoe, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northumberland. NE42 6PD Tel: +44(0)1661-832195 United Kingdom
Re: Ideal partition sizes.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcus Brinkmann writes: Paul van Berlo writes: Hi. I'm new to this list and Debian. I have the following question. I have been using Linux for quite some time now and I recently upgraded to a better and faster pc. Before I had Linux on one 300mb partition but I want to dedicate this machine to Linux now (1,2gb). What would be the ideal partition sizes to split up the hdd for Linux? It'll be used for developing mainly and for internet connectivity. I will most likely also be running X. Any answers to this will be really appreciated. I don't want to put linux on one big partition. -Paul The question of partitioning the harddisk is a question of beliefe, I think. But if you have a stand alone home PC, I think it is not worth it to split up the harddisk. The main reason to do this is to protect the data on the other partitons, if one of them chrashes. So you don't have to re-install the whole system. But there is a drawback: + It is only easy to reinstall if you backup regularly (the whole disk!). Do you have a streamer to do this? + The modern harddisks should not chrash (ok, this is no guarantee...), and on a stand alone PC the disk is not so hard used (indeed, most of the time it rests). + If you have a lot of partitions, a lot of harddisk space will be wasted, because you have to keep the partitions big enough to hold the data, but: + you are in big trouble, if you have made a partiton too small, because you can't change the partiton size without weeping the whole disk. So if you take the risk of one big partition, you do not have the question of partition it, on the other hand, IF something happens... I use a smal root partition (~17M) and two smal swap-partitions (so I can deactivate one and use for temporary use like a temporary root while recovering from a mayor crach). The rest is one big filesystem (monted /ext0 and /usr /home /var and /tmp is soft symlink from the root partiton. This give You the flexibility of a big partition and still a smal and hopfully verry stable root. (I dont know if hard symlink is better, the soft ones is working here so far) Hope this is useful info /Lars
Intresting problem (and diald WARNING)
Hello
First a smal warning about diald: If Your etc/diald.ip-up script for some
reason is 'hanging', then will diald keep the link up (this is probably
documented behavior, but I was suprised anyway...). I noticed this
becose my ip-up script was 'hanging' on a pipe to /dev/xconsole. I got
diald work as expected by making /etc/diald.ip-up just bakgrund another
shellscript (doing all the 'real' work). Sadly, that do bring up other
problems... This is the script i do background from /etc/diald.ip-up:
/etc/diald.fetch-up --
#!/bin/bash
#
# Fetch and send mail
#
# Run by diald.ip_up when diald have conected to internet
# Got 30 sec to complete before killed by diald.fetch-kill!
#
echo -e `date`: Running /etc/diald.fetch-up\\r /dev/tty8
echo -e `date`: Running /etc/diald.fetch-up\\r /dev/xconsole
echo `date`: fetchmail run from diald.fetch-up /root/mail-log
#
# Stopp fetchmail if alredy runing (probably a bug).
#
/usr/local/bin/fetchmail --quit -f /root/.fetchmailrc -L /root/mail-log
#
# Starta fetchmail in deamon mode and send qued mail.
#
/usr/local/bin/fetchmail -f /root/.fetchmailrc -b 10 -L /root/mail-log -d 600
-t 300
runq
-- end /etc/diald.fetch-up
Some subprces of this script is hanging, probably the subproces
started by the line:
echo -e `date`: Running /etc/diald.fetch-up\\r /dev/xconsole
I suspect this line becose the problem do have something to do with
/dev/xconsole as it only hangs when the xconsole loging is broken.
I don't know what's braeking the xconsole but it happen in the first
day of system uptime (and is OK after a reboot). I do suspect the
cron.daily scripts. More intresting is the side-efects of this
process hanging on xconsole. For some reason cron-jobs starts to
hang when this process hangs. I can't login as root when this happens
but ther's no problems in using existing root-shells. User login is
OK to. If I kill the proces hanging on xconsole all cronjobs do finish
and the system is back at normal (exept xconsole who is still broke).
If I don't kill it the cronjobs keep piling up until the system load
craches the mashine :(
I do work-around this problem by leting /etc/diald.ip-up also
background this script:
-- /etc/diald.fetch-kill -
#!/bin/bash
#
# Kill ev. 'hangin' diald.fetch-up
# * DO NOT USE WITH ISDN CONECTION WITHOUT PRECOTION **
#
# Started by diald.ip_up when diald have conected to internet
#
# Give diald.fetch-up 30 secs to complete
#
sleep 30
#
# Then kill any remaining diald.fetch-up *twice*!
#
kill `ps -x | grep diald.fetch-up | gawk -- {print \\\$1}`
sleep 1
kill `ps -x | grep diald.fetch-up | gawk -- {print \\\$1}`
sleep 2
#
# Mean kill any diald.fetch-up *stil* remaining!
#
kill -9 `ps -x | grep diald.fetch-up | gawk -- {print \\\$1}`
sleep 1
kill -9 `ps -x | grep diald.fetch-up | gawk -- {print \\\$1}`
#
# Hope this is enuf. Don't dear kill anymore as diald might have a new
# *real* conection comming up soon... If You use ISDN it is probably
# far to lait already
#
end /etc/diald.fetch-kill ---
This is (so far) keeping my system from craching :) but it is an
ugly work-around. I can live with an broken xconsole but I still
want to know wats realy is wrong with my system. Do You have any
ide:
o Why is xconsole broke? lsattr /dev/xconsole (when it's broke) give:
lsattr 1.06, 7-Oct-96 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
lsattr: Invalid argument While reading flags on /dev/xconsole
(dont know what it gives when xconsole is working, and I don't
want to reboot as I am trying to find out if this 'fix' can keep
my system up for a 'long' time).
o Why is root login broken when an proces is hanging on the broken
xconsole and why is cronjobs hanging at this time?
o Any sugestions on what to read or what to investigate on my system
is welcome.
All the cron.daily script on the machine is as installed by Debian
(the standard script has some find ... rm lines commented out whit a
referens to a security hole. The other scripts do find ... rm call.
Any reason to worry? Where can I read about this security hole?)
I do know this is unexact questions but it is the best I can do. I
had this problem with Debian 1.1 kernnel 2.0.0 and I upgraded to
Debiann 1.2.6 and kernel 2.0.27 in hope it was an 2.0.0 related
problem but the problem did not go away... I use the prebuilt Debian
'install' kernels (no kernel compile). All the cron.daily script on
the machine is as instaled by Debian (the standard script has some
find - rm lines comented out whit a referens to a security hole.
The other scripts do find - rm call. Any reason to worry? Where
can I read about this security hole?)
This problem has become more 'intresting' and less 'frustrating' as
I don't need to do bad reboots avery day any more
Ask if You need to know anything more.
Sorry for my poor english and TIA /Lars
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What can make login/bash(or somthing) 'hang'?
I'm sorry I cant give exact description of the problem becose I don't know. My system is craching almost every day becose it fills up with processes (400) and run out of memory or gets to high system load (200). It seems like cron job sleeps infinitly wating for some system-call. After some time (3-4H) two new cron-processes starts to be added every minut (can be atruns but I do not have any atjobs (I think)). This fills upp my maskin wich will eventuly crash. To add to the problems I cant login as root once the problem have started and I cant shutdown the system with Ctr-Alt-Del ether :( User logins are fine as long system load is not *to* high. The cron.daily scripts runs fine but the problems, at least usaly, starts after the cron.daly scrips is run. I am a bit lost and I have run out of ides. This problem started on Debian 1.1 kernel 2.0.0 and I have upgraded to Debian 1.2.6 and kernel 2.0.27 without inprovments (in this respect). The system is an I486 100 with 16MB memory ans EIDE disks. The uppgrade to debian 1.2 left me with both a update-pakage an the new bdflush-pakage, witch I think is suposed to replace update? However, i cant purge update and I dont think --force is a good ide in this case? It cant be the main problem as the problem was ther before the upgrade I need help to find out wats hanging and why. Some indications: At login prompt, typing wrong pasword results in an imediate Login incorect. Login then produses NO new login but getty (or whatever) times out in 60secs produsing a new login. If a type in right login as root it reports last login and then hangs infinitly. At the same time I can login as a user! This make me suspect the root .profile and .bashrc but i cant find anything stange there. At the same time allot of script/cronjobs starts hanging. If I do alredy have a root shell active I can still use it and if I kill all the 'hanging' jobs and restarts cron the system usaly starts workinng normaly again??? Do You have any clue. Is it possably to tell what service a sleeping process is waiting for? Anyone experienst somthing like this? If You can tell what fine manual(s) I shuld read I be greatfull. TIA /Lars -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare
Re: teTeX kind of broken
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Dalley writes: Putting the instructions in preinst may be too late, but it is better than nothing. Instructions in the mailing list are insufficient considering the number of users installing tetex. An notice and pointer to instructions in the package descriptions (showed by dselect) might help some users An custom remove of the old pakages in the preinstal script is probably allot of work. An general remove script for old packages that checked if any other installed pakages owned the files suposed to be removed (and then removing only the files *exclusivly* owned by the package being removed) might fix this kind of problem. Safer but it might be terreble slow and not sutable for general use... Just thinking /Lars
Re: Why is PPP so screwed up!?!?!
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wri tes: Look, you don't seem to get the idea here! If you see a NEED, and are so smart to be able to solve the problem for everyone, WRITE IT YOURSELF and submit it to Debian! Furthermore, saying its NOT is the documentation is just totatlly wrong! If you chose NOT to install the HOWTO'S or INFO, thats your problem AND not the guys that put it all together. Have you read the Net and Serial HOWTO'S? OR, GASP! the PPP HOWTO? I did an initial CD-install and hade all docs. The docs is OK (info from my ISP was not) and they helpt me get PPP and even diald up. But I still be stuck if I only hade an flopy install from the 6 base disks! Now when flopyless/1/2/floppy CD install is in reach and 2 floppy install for network gurus the 'pure' flopy install might be expanded with a disk or two? Man utilytys and some basic network and system documentation could give newbes a fair chans. I know I be stranded with the curent flopy install. Nowdays I knowe where to look for info, but the first time I been *REALY* stranded! It's sad the users dont know where to go when they actuly hav *suceded* instaling an *great* system (insert lots of IMHO wherever You se fit). (this list is so *polite* that I, with my limeted english knowlage, hardly daer speek in fear of, by mistake, insult someone. Why is everyone so upset about this subject?) Thanx all, for debian and this great list /Lars
Re: Unstable vs. Stable
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eventually you will be forced to upgrade do to changes in libc, the kernel, perl, etc. It is my understanding from what I've read on this list that it is pretty much impossible to upgrade an old installation like mine without re-installing. How old? I upgraded my 1.1.0 to 1.2.5 whitout any problems. After reading about the dselct / perl problems on this list I disided to: 1 first download all base pakages and install them with dpkg, rerunning dpkg some times untill all pakages was installed. 2 then upgraded all the important pakages with dselect (all else on hold). repeted install and configur a numeber of times. 3 Same procedure for standar pakages and the rest. Think I manualy stoped cron somway down the road but I dont think thats neded anymore... Went ok. Some problems with MH but I don't think its becose the upgrade methode. X, gcc, latex etc is working! My sysload went high after step one and login stoped working, making me nervus. All went fine after 60-70min all by it selfe. Strange but my system was strange before (always been?). I got to lern more U**X system administration :) (debian makes You get along almost *too* good without it). I think the 'hard times of the stabel tree' is more myth the reality. It is some bugs in 1.2 but You can work around them if You read this list. Most time You can upgrade/install anything You want and dselect tells You what more it takes. Do what dselect tells You and it usualy works. AFAIK the important bugs/missing featurs are worked on. I look forward to the next stabel releas. Thanx to everyone for this miracle (Debian, Linux, GNU...) /Lars -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unidentified subject!
Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Lars Hallberg wrote: Do anyone know how to configur MH nowdays or how to get smail to REWRITE the From: field? it's been a while since i last used smail but i think what you are looking for is the visible_hostname (or is it visible_name?) field in /etc/smail/config I used to use this option until i switched all of my machines over to sendmail. It does exactly what you want. Not on my system :(. It does the rigt thing if outgoing mail do NOT have anny From: field, but it does NOT rewrite existing From: field. After reading the manuals (alot) I do still not know a way to force smail REWRITING en existing From: field :(. If anyone know how, plece say so... My hope is with MH. It *must* be a way of getting it to skipping the From: field or writing a corect one. The MH version in Debian 1.1 hade an configure option for that, but it do not work whit the MH shiped with Debian 2.0(.5). I have not fond anything about this in the MH manpages or changlogs. And the FAQ describing how ro fix it in previus version is no longer included (good thing as it is no longer corect). Is it posseble to REWRITE existing From: field with sendmail? However, the incorect Sender: field (added by MH when thers alredy a From: field in the mail) looks - so far - harmless. If I have overlooked where this configuration change of MH is documented, plece point me to it... I have not read the docs in the source package becose I do not have room for source pakage on my maskin (planing to by more HD). It is often allot of userinfo in the source packages :( - but then again - it is FREE software:) Thanx for all responce and to all maintainer, developer etc. /Lars -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Return-path header
Rob MacWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try adding something like this to your /etc/smail/config file. Obviously, you'll need to put your name and address in place of mine. from_field=From: Rob MacWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] AFAIK this will only work if the masage has no From: field. Smail will NOT replace precent From: field. On the other hand I have not found any way of geting MH NOT to add an From: field. I used to be able to get it to put in the RIGHT From: adress with the line localname: corect.host in /etc/mh/mtstailor, but that dont work with the curen version :( I have yet not found any docs discribing this change in MH and how to fix it nowdays. Do anyone know how to configur MH nowdays or how to get smail to REWRITE the From: field? TIA /Lars -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MH 6.8.4-8 broken or feature?
I promiced to report my upgrade 1.1 - 1.2. I did belive I done that but do so no more It was probably trapped by the spam filter and newer returned to me. The upgrad of MH to 6.8.4-8 broke my From field. The upgrade story is old by now but I repost it if You want to. First the row localname: micropp.se was removed from /etc/mh/mtstailor and the FAQ describing it was removed from /usr/doc/mh. Both werry understndable as mh no longer care about that line when I put it back... Is ther another way to specify the E-mail domainame whit this version of mh, or is it a bug. It cant be intended to force the maskin-name into the E-mail adress? Must be a comon case where peopel run the mail apps on network-clients with maskin-names diferent from the right E-mail name. I have read the docs in /usr/doc/mh/papers and many of the mh man pages inncluding the man page of post (hwo is probably messing up IMHO). Do anyone have a simular problem? Ponters? solutions? AFIK smail cant change the From field in outgoing mail. Dont want to swap my MDA over this and i starts to like both mh comandline tools and exmh... A temporarly fix is to put a From: field in ~/Mail/components but that results in an incorect Sender: field insted. Hope the Spamfilter dont trap the Sender: field... TIA /Lars -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SWAP problem, have anyone seen it?
Hello! I do have a problem with my debian system. It do work OK for one day, but then in one day or two i do get (lots of) swap errors like swap_duplikate: trying to duplicate unused page Bad swap-tabel entry (not exact wording) trying to free unused page (not exact wording) After a while the system runs out of memory (out of memory for cron, out of memory for update...etc). I then cant log in or do anything usefull. Sometimes I still can swap betwen wc but not do any Ctr-Alt-Del will sometimes start to do somthing but will newer shutdown the system... lots of bad rebots... This started under Debian 1.1 kernel 2.0.0, I then uppgraded to Debian 1.2.5 and kernel 2.0.27 (instaled kernel - no costom recompile). I have a intel 486 DX4 100 on an Asus mothercard AMI-bios and a 1.2 GB EIDE harddisc. 16M RAM and 64M Swap (later changed into two 17M Swap-partisions - No progres). After uppgrading my kernel reports to be 2.0.27 at boot-time, but kerneld reports 2.0.0 while booting. Is this normal? The problem do (alvays?) happen when the machin is idle so I have checked the BIOS powersave options an disabled some that was previos enabled (whitout progress). Have anyone sen something similar? Can this be a bad swap partision? Hove du You check a swap partision? (I have rebuid the swap whit mkswap) Pointers, anything? If this is a bug somewhare, can I be to help with debuging info? This thing is happening about 3-4 times every week so it shuld be debuggable. Is ther anny loggs I shuld look into? Debuging mode I shuld aktivate? Tell me! If You ned more info ask me! I'm afraid all thes bad reboots gona bite me finaly. Help is werry welcome. Any sugestion besides going thru the Bios setup again (pointers to the bios setup is welcome to)? TIA /Lars (Hope You can understand, and stand, my poor english) -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Better Categorization (was: improvements)
Brian C. White [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think it would be a good idea to add a Keywords: line to the control information for Debian packages. This would be an extension to the Section: field with the section being considered the primary keyword. A user-interface utility would then allow the user to narrow/expand the list of package presented. For example: ^^ God, god, don't (necesary) need that fancy interface. Add a submenu in curent dselect betwen main-menus selct entry and the select screen. In that submenu You can chose one of the sections or all sections. Dselects standard way of going to the next menu item when returning from previus selection will make it real nice to browse all the sections one at the time. Keywords is god too, but a posability to view one section at the time will help allot (it's easy to get lost in 1.1's pakage-list, 1.2 is twice as big right?). The dependency/conflict screen must of corse show all involved pakages, regardless what section they in. Sections: [ ] admin [ ] base[ ] comm[ ] contrib [ ] devel [ ] doc [ ] editors [ ] experimental [ ] games [ ] graphic [ ] smail [ ] math [ ] misc[ ] net [ ] news[ ] nonfree [ ] shells [ ] sound [ ] text[ ] x11 contrib experimental and nonfree maybe should be prioritys (right term for Required, important... ?) rather then sections? Probably complicated but an editor is an editor even if exprimental or nonfree. I do like this prioritys. don't take them out of dselect - it's a graet hint to novice users. Like them so much I think they usefull to build an esy install tool on. EASY INSTALL TOOL SUGESTION Let the user chose a priority fore eatch section then install all pakages whit that or higer priority. Possably adding 'none' as an option on some sections (You dont need games at all). The install should be done in the least likely to break order. Debian is a Big and complicated. It's in the nature of an 'complet' Linux (U**X - or anny 'real' OS) distrubution. To make things worse, its a constantly moving target. The install must be able to stand some dependesy bugs I dont know the safest order but to give on exampel: Install all pakages of higest priority, then take every priority in order. For every priority start whith the base section follewed by the admin section and then the rest. In this way will the info that controlls the easy install be visible in dselect. That makes it easy to know what You have changed from the default and esy to recover to the default if You get 'lost'. This easy install tool will automaticly follow debians evulosion as pakages change priority and new sections is introdused. Thats a good thing too I do know You can make selections i dselect on sections and on different prioritys for eatch sections much as this easy install tool is sugested to. I think it's still is a point in an tool that makes that even MORE easy... Hope You can stand (and understand) my English... /Lars -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A proposal to improve dselect
Hello I think the ide of a simpel istall-tool as a compliment to dselect wery-much-as-it-is is a god ide. Making dselect more a mangement tool then an install tool. Dselect is a good managment tool, but less god first install tool for inexperient users. Most of the problems that comes with dselect comes of less sucessfull atempt to be a install tool for a novice. One is the way dselect treats recomend dependece. The intension, as I understand it, is to give more guidance to novice users. To some extent it do help keeping systems sane, but ther MUST (IMHO) still be a way to tell dselect to treat recomends like it treats sugests. A comand line toggel wold do. Also a experient user gain allot from using dselect, so ponting att dpkg as an alternativ is not the answer her. This leaves us with to questions o How to inprove dselect further as an mantain-tool. I find most of the previus posters 'smal' sugestions, like inproved searches, less noice, logging e t c being god and construktive ones. o How a simpel install-tool may look. To open a third question, when debian is first run dselect starts automagicaly, then disapers from the startup equaly automagicaly. IMHO it is better to start some 'debian install/maintain menu' from root bashrc (or what ewer). dselect, the new install tool, the basic docs, posably some of the tools from the install disks (module config, kebordsettup, systemname setupp etc) and a shell is nice fings for that menu. That menu shuld not disaper automagicaly! Anny user not noving how to remove it will not want to remowe it! It's great for a novice to have all the basic stuff handy in place. This new esy-install-tool and smal fixes to dselect will fast make debian better an more atractiv without loosing anny old featurs. In the long run i think dselect should work aganst some library that works both from a terminal and from X and svgalib e t c with the same aplication source. Big changes (if neded) can wait untill this rewrite. I am working on one, but the documentation is poor and even worse (for most of You) only in Swedish. In short, it's intended to be som kind of 'Meta library' or wraparound not implementing much self if its alredy availbly. But giving one programming-interface to allot of userinterface. Also making it 'esy' to add new user interface. Anyway, it not in a usefull state yet. If annyone is intrested, mail me and I mail back when i have some desent documentation on my Webpage. At that time, any help will be welcome! Pleace dont expect rapid reply, I do not have all the time i want :( Sorry for my poor english /Lars -- / / _/_ _/_ Lars Hallberg IT-konsult Micro++ /\_/\ / / www.micropp.se/lahwww.micropp.se / Micro++OOP C++ WWW-Design Utbildning LINUX FreeWare -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UUCP problems
Hello I have some problem with my UUCP. The line disconnects in the beginning of the handshake. I have tried with another MYsystemNAME and then the remote (ISP) side complains verbose that You are unknown to me so I'm apparently using the right MYsystemNAME. Funny thing is that my ISP runs Linux (old hacked and pached slackware) and Taylor UUCP. I don't know the version on my ISP's UUCP but mine is Taylor 1.06.1. I have Linux kernel 2.0.0 installed from debian 1.1 (Pacific HiTech, Mo' Linux August 1996). I have purged and reinstalled UUCP over FTP several times, The current package is: ii uucp1.06.1-2 Unix to Unix Copy Program I've struggled with this one for some while... Any tip would be appreciated. How can I find out if it's me or my ISP that mess up? If you need more information, please mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the debuging log (logins and password replaced :-) from uucico -x all -S ISPuucp. This session is over TCP, it's the same result over modem... Note the nested debugmessage where the error occurs (i added the in the beginning of every line). Also see the sys file below... uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:51:55.81 1965) Calling system ISPuucp (port TCP) uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:51:56.32 1965) DEBUG: icexpect: Looking for 5 ogin: uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:51:56.32 1965) DEBUG: icexpect: Got login: (found it) uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:01.76 1965) DEBUG: fcsend: Writing login UUCPlogin\r uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:01.77 1965) DEBUG: icexpect: Looking for 6 sword: uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:01.77 1965) DEBUG: icexpect: Got Password: (found it) uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:02.26 1965) DEBUG: fcsend: Writing password MYpassword\r uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:02.27 1965) DEBUG: fcsend: Writing sleep sleep sleep uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:05.32 1965) DEBUG: zget_uucp_cmd: Got \020Shere=ISPuucp\000 uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:05.36 1965) Login successful uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:05.37 1965) DEBUG: fsend_uucp_cmd: Sending MYsystemNAME -R -N07 uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:05.37 1965) DEBUG: fconn_write: Writing 18 \020MYsystemNAME -R -N07\000 uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:05.37 1965) DEBUG: zget_uucp_cmd: Got uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:06.28 1965) ERROR: Line disconnected (error) uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:06.28 1965) DEBUG: fconn_close: Closing connection uucico ISPuucp - (1996-11-06 20:52:06.28 1965) DEBUG: Call failed: 4 (Handshake failed) uucico - - (1996-11-06 20:52:06.30 1968) DEBUG: usysdep_detach: Forked; old PID 1965, new pid 1968 uucico - - (1996-11-06 20:52:06.41 1968) DEBUG: Forking /usr/sbin/uuxqt -sISPuucp And the sys file is edited the same way. I would prefer using the alias but have of course tried the actual system name several times with the same result :( # Permit local users to send any world readable file local-send / # Permit local uses to request into any world writable directory local-receive / # Call at any time time any # call-timegrade 5 Wk0755-1805 # Now define the systems themselves. Because of all the defaults we # used, there is very little to specify for the systems themselves. system ISPuucp alias NICERname myname MYsystemNAME call-login UUCPlogin call-password MYpassword chat-timeout 250 protocol tg # First try the modem port type modem port device /dev/modem #port device /dev/ttyS1 # Tried these, same result #port device /dev/cua1 port dialer hayes chat-timeout 120 # Tried without the three delays, same result... chat ogin:-\r\c-ogin:-\r\c-ogin: \L sword: \P \d\d\d\c protocol-parameter g timeout 20 protocol-parameter g retries 10 phone ISPphoneno1 alternate # Try the modem again, with different phone number chat \c \r\c ogin:-\r\c-ogin:-\r\c-ogin: \L sword: \P \d\d\d\c phone ISPphoneno2 alternate # If that fails, try TCP. # The login name is different over TCP! call-login UUCPlogin protocol e chat ogin:-\r\c-ogin:-\r\c-ogin: \L sword: \P \d\d\d\c port type tcp port service 540 address ISPuucpADDRESS Fanx in advance Sorry, hompage is, so far, only in swedish / / _/_ _/_ Välkommen till Micro++ Lars Hallberg /\_/\ / /WWW-hemsida [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Micro++http://www.micropp.se/ http://www.micropp.se/lah/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
