Re: qmail alias på namn med . imellan
ma, 07-10-2002 kello 02:56, Jonas Björck kirjoitti: Jag har letat med ljus lykta men lyckas inte hitta nånting som ger nån som helst hjälp. Någon snäll själ här som vet? Jag har satt upp alias med echo \lance /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-jonasbjorck Och det fungerar utmärkt, men när jag kör med punkt imellan för efternamn så vill den inte spela med längre. dot-qmail -manualsidan (se t.ex. http://qmail.kpnqwest.fi/man/man5/dot-qmail.html) säger bl.a. WARNING: For security, qmail-local replaces any dots in ext with colons before checking .qmail-ext. For convenience, qmail-local converts any uppercase letters in ext to lowercase. Det borde alltså fungera, om du byter ut punkten mot kolon.
Re: Ändra ett enda tecken.
ma, 30-09-2002 kello 17:07, Daniel Swärd kirjoitti: Jag vill använda paketet passwd med en liten ändring, att i defines.h byta ut SHADOW_PASSWD_STRING x mot SHADOW_PASSWD_STRING X (jag har inte hittat nån sån inställning i adduser.conf. Vad skall denna ändring åstadkomma? Mina kunskaper om hur Debianpaket är uppbyggda är ganska låga, så jag undrar om någon har ett snabbt svar på hur jag bör göra. Naturligtvis har jag laddat ner paketet med apt-get source, men jag vet inte hur man bör göra med diff och md5-summor. Från minnet: apt-get source passwd # ladda ner och öppna paketet cd passwd-XX.YY # gå till source-katalogen ed foo.bar # gör dina ändringar ed debian/changelog # lägg till en ny changelog entry, ny versionsnr fakeuser debian/rules binary # bygg paketet dpkg -i ../passwd_xxx.deb # installera det nya paketet Det är antagligen säkrast att ladda ner det officiella binär-paketet också så att om du gör något fel med din version så kan du lätt, med dpkg, installera den fungerande officiella versionen.
Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] This discussion of the Qt copyright is beginning to sound like a flame war. Could we please end it and do something productive instead? Summary: - Debian has a policy about copyrights, and it's not likely change. Read it in chapter 2 of the Debian policy manual (included as /usr/doc/dpkg/programmer.html in package dpkg-dev, for example). - Qt's copyright does not allow us to put it, or anything that depends on it, in the main distribution. - Qt's copyright may be incompatible with the GPL, because of various requirements the GPL makes, even though Qt's owners are happy with the GPL. See Ian Jackson's analysis, posted to debian-user on November 18. We may need to ask a lawer or the FSF to decide this. - Everyone would like a nice GUI library for Debian, but Qt can't be it unless it's copyright is changed. - V is LGPL'd, seems to be good enough, and is therefore a better choice for programs that need to go into the main distribution. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpT6v7xQyKwU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Strange behavior of lpr+lpd
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] Karl M. Hegbloom: With XEmacs and ViewMail, the problem becomes obvious! I've enclosed a uuencoded screenshot to demonstrate: It is _not_ a good idea to post 140 kilobytes to a public mailing list. Please put it on a web or ftp site instead, and post just the URL. Or offer to send it to people who want it. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpGoOoxlMXFI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X11 bashing
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] Martin Konold: So [Qt] is really free and can be well used for gpled sw. Well, yes, for some definitions of the word free. Free is one of those words that everyone likes to define for themselves. For Debian, the relevant question is whether the package can go into the main Debian distribution, or whether it should be put into contrib or non-free. The answer is found in the policy manual, chapter 2, Package copyright (see /usr/doc/dpkg/policy.html): All packages in the Debian distribution proper must be freely useable, modifiable and redistributable in both source and binary form.[1] It must be possible for anyone to distribute and use modified source code and their own compiled binaries, at least when they do so as part of a Debian distribution. Qt is clearly not suitable for the Debian distribution proper, since we can't modify it ourselves. It belongs to contrib or non-free, instead. As it happens, Troll Tech have said it's OK to put it into contrib. This is good, because then it goes onto more CD's. Packages that use Qt can't go into the Debian distribution proper, either: Packages [- - -] * which depend for their use on non-free or contrib packages[2] [- - -] may only be placed in the semi-supported contrib section of the Debian FTP archives (unless they need to be in non-free - see above). This means that in Debian, KDE goes into contrib. Too bad. There's a number of other toolkits that could have been used, such as V. I don't know about their relative qualities, but the copyright issue is enough to kill interest in Qt and KDE for a large number of people. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgp5g6dC6WI1M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X11 bashing
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] Larry 'Daffy' Daffner: I still haven't seen a valid reason to support KDE/Qt. It looks better than Athena widgets. :-) (I use xaw95 myself. I haven't tried Qt or KDE, nor am I interested in with the current copyrights.) -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgp3mNFZ4veKb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP and MIME
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] linh (l.) dang: What should I put in my .mailcap to make pgp handle your application/pgp-signature as text. I use mailcrypt so I don't want rmime invoke anything for pgp stuffs. I don't know understand .mailcap (I've never needed it), so I hope someone else can help with this problem. PS. I post it here because it seems that Lars' mail-fitler blocks anymail with unknown 'From' field. That's true, but other people can also reach me by putting the password (on my web page; currently xyzzy) in the subject. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpHmUxebO8rC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pgp
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] I've saved these notes on using PGP with mail, and will be adding a summary of them to a new version of the PGP packages (but it won't happen until 1.3). Thanks to everyone. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpHxRQUoZo1U.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pgp
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] Lord Of The CLUTZ's: -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- Version: 2.6.3i owGNlM2LHFUQwHc1ytIgeMrFSzkKMxN6u53RUXfA7Lq6moU1WZldgzBk5k33m+63 To sign e-mail by hand, you should save the text into a file, say foo, and then run PGP with the -sta options: $ pgp -sta foo You need a pass phrase to unlock your RSA secret key. Key for user ID: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024-bit key, key ID 4CBA92D1, created 1995/09/26 Enter pass phrase: Clear signature file: foo.asc $ Then insert foo.asc as the body of you mail. A better way is to use a mailer that understands PGP. I don't know how well elm can do that. I use exmh myself. exmh is excellent. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpViZNdFBwxe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pgp
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] Karl M. Hegbloom: The package is broken! Where else can I look for it??? I fetched a copy, and compared it the one I have on my hard disk. They're identical, and both work. You may have forgot to set binary mode when downloading, or something. (I'm the maintainer of the Debian PGP packages.) -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpJyIDRRGWki.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: XFree86 3.2 is available
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] Paul Seelig: Why is I-Connect obviously allowed to include non-free on their disk and not e.g. InfoMagic who are selling more or less an image of the primary Debian FTP server as well? It's not Debian who are restricting non-free. It's the authors of the programs. Some of them don't want people to put their software on a CD-ROM and sell it. InfoMagic probably doesn't want to go through all the programs in non-free and check what they can or can't put on their disks. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpRfEJjbIGfC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: cleaning up kernel source
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] David Morris: do I want to leave something hanging around /usr/src/linux? Except possibly the documentation, no. Debian distributes the header files as part of the libc5 package. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpznueMXRXOi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Missing Package
Fabien Ninoles: Some Debian packages ask me for some package I didn't see for a while (though I know they exist). They're the pgp_us (althought if someone can say to me where I can find the the International package) and the pbmplus package. I'm looking too for the kaffe and the povray package if they exist. The PGP packages are distributed from the free world, due to funny US laws. :) The distribution site is ftp://ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de/pub/os/linux/debian-non-US/ All the Debian crypto stuff is there. pbmplus has been replaced by the netpbm package. Also, I would like to know if someone know a good vrml browser for Linux? Sorry, can't help there. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpfcdBqXRgYS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Annoying package dependence concept
Johannes Plass: and xdvi (why actually does xdvi depend on ghostscript ?) Xdvi can show Postscript graphics included in a TeX document. It needs ghostscript to do so. Recommends: ghostscript might be too strong for xdvi; Suggests: ghostscript would be much better, since xdvi works well enough even without ghostscript. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgph12W0DBmNY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bad block on disk
Christian Lynbech: - How do I get rid of the bad block? There are some instructions in the Linux System Administrators' Guide, version 0.4, available at http://www.iki.fi/liw/linux/sag/. Sorry I can't quote it at the moment; I had to clean out all unnecessary cruft to be able to make a backup (I really have to buy a bigger tape drive, one of these days). - One way of provoking the read error is by running `df'. Does this indicate that some non-data portion of the disk is hit as well? Possible. - How do I get the mount program back. Do I need to boot from the debian floppies and use a shell from there, or is there some lilo magic I can use to get the root up read/write? Do the floppy thing, it's safer. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpxdo3nYEz2s.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Where is pgp?
J.H.M.Dassen: To prevent problems because of US export restrictions, the PGP packages were moved outside of the US. Currently, you can find them at http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~wirzeniu/debian/index.html Those packages are experimental versions, and have at least one problem: they don't provide the package pgp. They're better than nothing, of course. I expect there'll be a centralized FTP site for non-US debian packages (pgp, ssh, ssl,...). Yes. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpUcifF0rZc3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: where to put clock -s?
David Puryear: But when I do date and clock I get two different times. The time I get from date is way off. So I usually do clock -s and everything is fine. Any idea as why? I've heard of rumours of some versions of the clock binary being broken. Don't know which ones. I've also heard that the newest version should be OK. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpgcfHHxlz6E.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: where to put clock -s?
David Puryear: I would like to run clock -s every time I start the machine. What I need to know is where do I put this? It should already be run automatically by /etc/init.d/boot. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpBnbOjk6MDL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [comp.os.linux.announce] Clarification - Linux-FT, The Road Ahead
Amos Shapira: Does the main figures in the Debian community have anything to say about this ? Do you intend to cooperate in this important effort? Read also the response from Unifix, just posted. It's already on the web site, if your news service is slow. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpsijpfTB19g.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Any Linux books that focus on Debian?
CoB SysAdmin: I'm interested in getting a book on adminstering Linux systems, but just about *every* book I look at focuses on Slackware. *Blech!*. Are there any books that focus on Debian? Blatant self-promotion dept.: The Linux System Administrators' Guide (SAG), my book, is not specific to any Linux distribution, although it does contain traces of all the distributions I've personally used during these four years. Fair warning dept.: It doesn't cover too many things (actually, it covers very few things), but it tries to be thorough about what it does cover. Oh, and it contains a joke. You have been warned. URL dept.: http://www.iki.fi/liw/linux/sag/. The announcement contains the table of contents, so you can see if it has what you want before you download and print. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpn3sEHxmHCc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: main-menu.hook, menudefs.hook?????
David Puryear: I just like to know why when I installed package with ..registers itself via install-fvwm2menu, it deleted my old main-menu.hook and menudefs.hook. I like the ones I had. This is sort of my fault, sorry. I designed the new system.fvwm2rc and install-fvwm2menu. I'm not sure we have documented this anywhere, but main-menu.hook and menudefs.hook are not really meant to be edited by hand (although at one stage during my design they were). For the moment at least, it's better to use main-menu-pre.hook and post.hook instead. I'll see what can be done about this in a future version. For those that don't know: install-fvwm2menu installs an entry into the fvwm menu structure (the entry becomes visible after you log in or restart). It can also remove the entry later. Debian packages are just now starting to use this to provide an automatically updating Apps menu (yes, sort of like the Win95 start menu). Has any one else have this problem? It happens every time that root runs install-fvwm2menu. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpfrRNAnGRAL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: info2www, dwww install problem
I wrote: The names of the Apache server executable file and the default locations of the server's HTML directory and cgi-bin directory changed with 1.1.1. The Debian package I have (1.1.1-5) does not install cleanly and does not work, and I haven't been able to test my fixes for dwww and info2www. I'm working on it. I have released new versions of info2www and dwww, which should work with the new Apache. They should be on the mirror sites sometime in the near future. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgp0XWc3EcuZj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: info2www, dwww install problem
Craig Sanders: The bug is actually a typo. In the apache section of your .postinst scripts you had foundhttp=yes instead of foundhttpd=yes. I.E. you missed the final d. That was part of the problem. 1.1.1-5 also moves the ServerRoot and cgi-bin directories. Anyway, fixed in dwww 1.1-2 and info2www 1.2.2.9-2, I hope. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpYHZtWjJPIe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: info2www, dwww install problem
Lawrence Chim: when install info2www and dwww, they said that they cannot find the httpd. I think it is because I am using apache and http daemon name is apache rather than httpd. Is is a install script problem? or a file dependancy problem? The names of the Apache server executable file and the default locations of the server's HTML directory and cgi-bin directory changed with 1.1.1. The Debian package I have (1.1.1-5) does not install cleanly and does not work, and I haven't been able to test my fixes for dwww and info2www. I'm working on it. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpxyhYTymF4k.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: dselect sort by section
Bill Wohler: Would anyone else like to see a Sort by section major sort in dselect? Already there, at least in 1.4.0. Use some combination of 'o' and 'O' to get it. (Sorry, don't remember the exact sequence.) The dselect user interface is quite efficient, but somewhat difficult and it's easy to make mistakes. However, we can't expect Ian Jackson to do everything, and no-one else has written a better program. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpOkosdudcV7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Two system admin suggestions, where to post them?
Amos Shapira: and suchlike, I'd rather like to have a command to turn features off and on, like IRIX' chkconfig(8). The idea is that the init scripts use this command to check simple text files that contain off or on for each feature and act accordingly. A simple on/off is inadequate. I put a prototype I wrote recently on http://www.iki.fi/liw/programs/cfgtool.tar.gz (it's not there yet, but should be in about twelve hours). (Support for boolean and other data types is not in prototype, so you'd have to write it as: case `cfgtool --get has-x11` in yes)... ;; esac ) 2. I also miss the autologin feature from IRIX. _I_ would hate that. I've spent way too much to customize my xdm screen to like autologin. ;-) Seriously, sounds like a good idea for situations where console security is not required. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgphCc27QD8MW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Where is PGP-i or PGP-us ?
Rosenberg Yigal: It seems that in Debian 1.1.7 pgp-i and pgp-up were in non-free pkgs, but in the newer dist' of Debian they are missing. Can some one tell me why they are missing and whre can I find them . Problems with US International Trade in Arms Regulations (ITAR). Cryptographic programs require a license to export from the US. We're arranging an FTP site in the free world. Stay tuned. :-) -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpfGo70ZANLW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Swap partition and fdisk
Gerry Jensen: While it may be untrue that you *need* twice the physical memory size, I believe it's true that twice the physical memory size is about the limit of what you can effectively use if you need it. It depends on what you do. Operating system theory has a concept called working set, which is the group of virtual memory pages that are actually used at the moment. In addition, there may other pages not in the working set that are not used. If the size of the working set is much bigger than physical memory, there will be heavy swapping and the system will perform poorly. However, it does not matter if there are lots of pages not in the working set, because they can be swapped out and won't be swapped in (at least not in the near future). For many people, the rule of twice physical size approximates the size of the working set fairly well: half of the pages are used at any one moment. For many others, it does not. It all depends on what you do. For example, if you have a getty running for six virtual consoles, but you never log in more than once, the pages of the other five gettys do not belong in the working set. They can be swapped out. In addition, if you have a sendmail daemon running, but never send any mail, then it will also be swapped out. If each getty uses 1 MB of non-shared memory, and sendmail uses 10 MB, you have now used 15 MB of swap. Assume you have 4 MB of physical memory (and that whatever you do via the one log in uses only 1 MB of memory). Your system is not swapping madly. It works splendidly. No problems at all. Even if you have used about four times as much swap as you have physical memory. These numbers are completely wrong (getty does not use that much memory), but they are good enough to show the point. The logic is sound, I just invented numbers that are easy to follow. My simple formula swap needed = total memory need - physical memory size works much better than the twice physical memory one. It does not mention working sets, mostly because then things get complicated; but I guess I should explain about it in the SAG, where there is more space. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpiOpmRDVEI2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: where's man ??
This was done because AE is small enough to fit on the base disks. I am sorry, but isn't vi designed for that purpose? $ ls -l /bin/ae /usr/bin/vim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root23825 May 9 06:05 /bin/ae -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 269380 Jan 14 1996 /usr/bin/vim $ I don't think so... -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpifWC8GuD1w.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Swap partition and fdisk
Boris Beletsky: YES! u always need a swap - no metter how much ram u have. I would say, create a 32swap part. - that would be the best. If you never use more than 16 MB of memory, and you have 512 MB of physical memory, you most definitely do not need swap. swap needed = total memory need - physical memory size It's really very simple... -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpuWALwuimhH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Shouldn't go app-defaults in /etc/X11?
Christian Schwarz: My suggestion of tagging the files as conffiles was thought as a solution to your problem, if the files change. The problem scenario: Version 1.0 installs an app-defaults file. It defines resource ``*Background: black''. Admin installs version 1.0. She changes the app-defaults file to ``*Background: white''. Version 1.1 is released. The app-defaults file is the same as in 1.0. Admin installs 1.1. What should be done with the app-defaults file? If the app-defaults file is marked as a config file, then dpkg asks whether to keep the current file, or to replace it with the one from 1.1. Admin keeps current file, because it does what she wants. So far, so good. Second scenario: Version 1.2 is released. The app-defaults file adds a new resource, ``*enableDWIM: true''. Application will work if this resource is missing (and defaults to false), but not nearly as well. System still has the admin-modified file. Admin installs 1.2. What should be done with the app-defaults file? Again, dpkg will allow the same choice as before. Admin chooses to keep the current file. To make the application work well, she has to compare the current file and the one in 1.2 (dpkg saves it in the same directory, so this is easy), and make some more edits. It's a small problem, but not too bad, since the changes between 1.1 and 1.2 were small. It'd be nicer if the admin wouldn't have to do any manual edits, but we can live with this. Third scenario: Version 1.3 is released. It adds a new resource, ``*importantThing: foo''. If this resource is not set, the application will crash. This is documented only in the middle of a five thousand line manual page. The package maintainer did not know this, because everything happened to work for him. The app-defaults file has been rearranged to make it easier to understand. Admin installs 2.0. What should be done with the app-defaults file? This time the differences between the currently installed and the new app-defaults file are huge. The output of `diff' is not easy to understand, and the admin makes a mistake and assumes that nothing important has changed, just the arrangement of the file. She does not add the new resource. Application crashes. Not so good. The Debian solution is to add a new file, /etc/X11/Xresources, which is used in addition to the app-defaults files and each user's own ~/.Xresources file. This way, the app-defaults file does not have to be a config file. The package maintainer can make any changes as is necessary. The admin makes any local configuration in /etc/X11/Xresources. Everyone is happy. Now that I've been made aware of this, I think it's a good solution. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpDDlJBVttb3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Suck and innxmit
Tapio Vaattanen: Unknown reply to /var/lib/suck/153-155 -- 480 Transfer permission denied You either need to configure suck to use the NNTP POST command, or add localhost to (I think) /etc/news/hosts.nntp to allow it to use the NNTP IHAVE command. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpVd0Yj4iZGX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Swap partition and fdisk
A R Abid: I have got 16MB of RAM on my machine. Could someone tell me if it would still be necessary for me to create a Linux swap partition. The terse form of the formula is: swap needed = total memory need - physical memory size (Forget everything about twice physical size. That is an evil prank that people play on the uneducated rich who have bouth 512 MB of RAM.) First you need to estimate your total memory need. This depends very heavily on what you do and what programs you run at the same time. I need about 30-40 MB to run a mailer, Mosaic, xpat2, up to a dozen or so xterms and editors, a HTTP server, a news server, a mail server, compilers, makes, the X server, window manager, a clock, xload, desktop pager, window list, and a few other niceties. For a somewhat more detailed explanation, read the memory management chapter in the System Administrators' Guide. The current version is 0.3, but 0.4 is imminent (I need to see how it looks on paper, but if there aren't any big problems with the that, I will release it in a couple of days). Also, would Linux fdisk wipe out my DOS partition even if I only want to create one Linux partition w/ Linux fdisk and not mess up w/ DOS partition using Linux fdisk. Thanks. If you have unpartitioned disk space at the end of the disk, there should be no problem. If not, you need to backup and reinstall everything. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpcztrko6zsv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ?-html
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Please does anyone know of a program/script I can run to provide an html output for my manual pages? There's rman, in non-free. or better still act as the front end of man? I'm working on a WWW front end to all on-line documentation on a Debian system, but it's not finished yet. I'll need a couple of weekends or so to finish a usable version. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgprwR2Dbeaj8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Shouldn't go app-defaults in /etc/X11?
Michael Alan Dorman: I feel like a broken record, here, but would people involved in this discussion please look at /usr/doc/X11/debian.README? I did that. I didn't notice that paragraph, probably because it comes under the heading of ``xdm-start-server''. The visual clues given by the formatting of the file (one extra empty line) were not enough to make me read that part thoroughly. I really need to get searching to work in my WWW documentation front-end... -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgp1ujWGMjJUQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: where's man ??
Chris R. Martin: I just installed Debian 1.1 and I logged on as root. First thing I notice, there are no editors installed. Not one. You would think this would be a required thing... I assume you have installed just the base package. /bin/ae is part of the base package. another thing... 'man' doesn't seem to exist! man is not in the base package, because we try to keep it very, very small (but still functional). -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpBJfiYpMSZs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Shouldn't go app-defaults in /etc/X11?
Brian C. White: Personally, since these are _defaults_ that are intended to be overridden by user configuration, I think they are fine where they are. These programs are not system utilities that need to be configured. These are just defaults and there are documented ways for a user to change them as to their individual preferences. However, a sysadmin might want to have a way to make a global override. For example, to configure Mosaic to use a proxy. Wouldn't it be nice if the relevant scripts allowed this? All that is needed is that they use /etc/X11/app-defaults/Foo, if it exists, after they have used /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults, and before they use ~/.Xresources. I'm afraid I don't have time to do this, but it should be simple. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpnigbZBV4eF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ELM and PGP
joost witteveen: BTW, I'm _not_ saying there's something wrong with the way Larz signs. I'm just noticing a pattern I share the office with God[1], of course there isn't anything wrong with my signatures. The problem with my signatures is the I'm using the new PGP/MIME draft-RFC, while elm probably only understands the older application/pgp proposal (or plain PGP messages). PGP/MIME separates the text and the signature in two different MIME parts. Among other things, this makes it possible to read MIME-typed PGP-signed messages with MIME-capable but PGP-uncapable readers such as Pine. Linus used to hate my mail before I started to use PGP/MIME. Another bonus is that it is possible to sign a multipart message (attachments), without making things unnecessarily complicated. See http://www.c2.org/~raph/pgpmime.html for info on PGP/MIME. BTW, Tove is the only person allowed to call me Larz. :) -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. [1] Well, not anymore. I quit work and am now a full time student again. pgpx7NsHXC8r5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to sign up to debian-devel?
I'm not responsible for the mailing lists, but I understand there's some problems with their maintainance. Bruce is working on it. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpJn2F7c13OE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: hellish symlinks in archive
Nathan O. Siemers: You know, it is not straightforward to keep *only* the intel binaries mirrored on another machine. I did write a preliminary mirror config file: ... Does anyone have a better config file for this purpose? Here's a sanitized version of mine: package=debian-rex site=ftp.lh.umu.se remote_dir=/pub/linux/debian/rex/ local_dir=/x/mirror/debian/rex/ get_newer=false max_delete_files=50% max_delete_dirs=10% exclude_patt=( ^buzz |^unstable |^upgrades |^project/experimental/dpkg |^debian-lists |^Incoming |ls-lR |(^|/)disks- |^WebPages |^debian-bugs |^indices/\. |^indices/md5sums$ |[^be]/binary/ |binary-[^ia] |binary-alpha |msdos |ms-dos |m68k ) It's full of old cruft, but perhaps it workable. My actual rule is about three times longer, because I exclude a number of packages I'm not interested in. OTOH, using dpkg-ftp or dftp might be a better alternative. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpBThZrber0e.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: time to split the list?
Casper BodenCummins: After reading your posts, I'm coming around to the view that two groups - debian-user and debian-install - would be best. There is perhaps insufficient non-technical discussion to warrant a separate list. We already have the debian-talk list (send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info). -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpVsaakanhyL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP pP
Ronald van Loon: This message is an example of the problem I mentioned earlier. The actual message is File pgptemp.$01 has signature but no text. Your Elm probably doesn't support PGP/MIME. See http://www.c2.org/~raph/pgpmime.html for more information on PGP/MIME. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgphz8Ipaqw6i.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP pP
Jan Camenisch: well for me a PGP signature in MIME format looks like this mail and the PGP header says PGP-signature rather than message... More precisely, it says Content-type: application/pgp; format=mime; x-action=signclear; x-originator=29160A2D That MIME content type is based on a draft-RFC, which has since been withdrawn. The PGP/MIME stuff I mentioned earlier is the current draft-RFC for a MIME type for PGP. The old draft is supported by many mailers, the new one by very few (I only know of exmh). I use it because it makes life much easier for people who don't have PGP support at all, but do have MIME support. (People who don't have MIME support need to upgrade, anyway.) -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpk9VIhmKsqf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to migrate a Debian system to another hard drive?
Mark Eichin: and note that unlike tar, cp -a will actually *handle* pathnames over 100 characters GNU tar does that as well. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgp3uzEpYi8ov.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailing list
I hope this to be my last contribution to this thread, so I'll try to make it thorough. Sorry about the length. I will use must to indicate that unless we do it that way, there is going to be problems and the Debian project will suffer. (No film at 11.) I'm willing to stake whatever reputation I have on the Internet on this. These opinions aren't mere whims. I base them on a few thousand hours spent using a news reader in the past seven years. * debian-user@lists.debian.org must not be replaced with a news group News articles move much slower than e-mail messages. This is because news is not a critical resource to most people, so admins don't want to spend lots of money to make it move fast. Part of the problem is that the volume of news is huge (our university news server sometimes got more than two gigabytes per day, until they cut binaries groups). Therefore debian-user must stay. * debian-user@lists.debian.org must not be linked with comp.os.linux.debian (or other comp.* group) It is easy to post (or cross-post) messages to newsgroups you don't read. It happens all the time. Some people do it to start flame wars (trolling). It is also easy to start reading a newsgroup. Many more people read a newsgroup than an average mailing list. If there is a flame war, there will be many participants and it will go on and on and on. It is almost impossible to kill a flame war on a newsgroup. Because news moves slowly, if people in one part of the world cease fire, a couple of days later some other people somewhere else will get the first articles and be angry and start it all over again. Cross-posts make flame wars worse. Flame wars on mailing lists are easy to control. Subscribing to a list takes much more effort, which reduces the number of participants. People who won't stop can be thrown out of the list. If debian-user and col.debian are linked (with messages in one appearing in the other), the usefulness of the list will vanish. We will see flame war after flame war (not to mention spam after spam -- the spam can't be cancelled from the mailing list). The existing linux.debian.user group is OK (see below), but a mainstream group is not. * linux.* must not be moved to comp.os.linux.* Same reasons apply as to mailing lists. linux.* aren't on everyone's news server, so fewer people can easily access them, but anyway who wants to can. * comp.os.linux.debian (and col.red-hat and col.slackware) can be created if they are independent of the respective mailing lists Personally, I don't think distribution-specific news groups will do much good, but I don't mind if they are created. If it comes to voting, I will vote against them, but I expect to be out-voted. If you want the mainstream groups, read and follow the instructions in news.announce.newgroups. Don't expect anyone else to do it. (This is the standard answer to almost all proposals for new groups. It tends to silence almost all people. :) * If you think reading news is easier than reading mail, get better software. There's no inherent reason why news readers should be better at grouping related messages together than mail readers. If your mail reader isn't capable of doing it, get a better one. Or start reading thew linux.* groups. If your ISP (or company, or whatever) doesn't have any better programs installed, well, that's unfortunate. I know one person who still reads all his mail with /bin/mail and who refuses to learn procmail. He doesn't have a right to demand list-specific keywords in subjects so that he can tell different lists apart from the subject alone. Mail filters exist because they are necessary. If you can't use them, you lose. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpE40wgStlNo.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailing list
Ninoles, Fabien: DGSE: First... An added [Debian:] tag before the suggest for those like me who receive from mush than one list. The mailing list software adds the following header to all messages on this list: Resent-from: debian-user@lists.debian.org This is good enough to filter this list to its own folder. If you have heavy mail traffic, you _need_ mail filters. They're the only thing that lets me process up to 300 letters per day. Mangling the subject is out of the question, as far as I'm concerned. It isn't useful, unless you insist on not filtering your mail. A good thing to see is some news mecanism. Aren't time to put Debian list on news groups? This list exists as a newsgroup, though I'm not sure of the name at the moment, something like pgpdCpftq3gvG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailing list
Shaya Potter: Not everyone's news server carries the linux.* hierachy, such as mine. You could talk your news admin into arranging a special feed for it. (I think one of the FAQ's or HOWTO's has contact information. If not, I vaguely remember that Yggdrasil may be involved.) Would it be possible to instead of having linux.debian.*, have comp.os.linux.debian.*. You might want to read news.announce.newgroups and start an RFD. (It's not all that difficult, but it _will_ take time, and you _will_ be flamed, for no reason at all.) Until someone does the RFD work, all discussion about it is rather futile. Not that comp.os.linux.debian will solve problems with this mailing list, since it makes no sense at all to gateway this list and a newsgroup in the Big 8. Newsgroups attract flamers, this list is mostly civilised. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgp8GilvHEiXm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Fwd: Virus Alert]
Daniel Lynes: GNU Emacs for OS/2 still has this feature. Very, very dangerous. Vi and clones aren't completely safe, either. In some circumstances, at least, they load a .exrc (and/or .vimrc or whatever) from the current directory (not the home directory). The intention is that you can customize the editor differently for different projects. However, imagine downloading an interesting source package from the net, unpacking it, and editing a file with vi -- oops, you don't have your ~/.profile any more. At least it is configurable for vi. The point is that you should know your tools (rtfm, very thoroughly), and make sure they don't have these gotchas enabled. I pointed out comp.risks before, I think, but it's good enough that it can be repeated: read comp.risks. If you enjoy horror movies, you should really like comp.risks. Or if your mine is as twisted as mine, you could view it as a funnier replacement of rec.humor.funny. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgp2WnGZwsEnz.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ftape format warning!!!
There were only two sessions on my tape. Sadly, the second session contained the /usr filesystem, so I lost everything :( Whenever doing backups, _verify_ your backups, even if it doubles the time it takes to do them. Oh, and whenever you're going to do something dangerous, _double_ your backups. It's _not_ funny to try to restore from the backup you verified yesterday, only to notice that something bad happened a floppy over the night. Don't ask why I know this. Using modern floppies (3.5) for backups is not a good anyway, but sometimes you can't afford a tape drive. Not that tapes don't get errors, too. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing properly. That applies to paranoia, too. -- Rural sizes win [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iki.fi/liw/ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpt5cgQXsmlZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: module cdu31a fails on insert
Bruce Perens: We don't have a person who follows the kernel and keeps an accurate list of module arguments. Also, Lars took on modconf when I had too much to do, but he was less than enthusiastic about it. We could use another volunteer to be the module mayven. Ilucius ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) took it from me, but I'm not sure if we bothered to tell anyone. (Ilucius, perhaps you can confirm this.) -- Rural sizes win [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iki.fi/liw/ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpQLHOsAAaAZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailagent and MH
Susan G. Kleinmann: What's odd is that I often have to execute inc more than 1 time -- sometimes 2 times, to get all the files from mbox.sgk into +inbox. Are you sure the mbox.sgk has all the messages? If you route them via sendmail (or smail or whatever MTA you have), it may take a few moments for them to arrive. I think popclient automatically routes them via sendmail, but I haven't checked. mail -f mbox.sgk /dev/null is an easy way to check the contents of a mailbox, or use from -f mbox.sgk if you wimpy. My own setup does not make the mails go via sendmail, but pipes them directly to procmail. Actually, not directly, but one by one: formail -b -s sh -c $temp \ /home/liw/bin/qpdecodemail | /usr/bin/procmail /home/liw/.procmailrc; sleep 2 ($temp is the mailbox, qpdecodemail is my stupid filter to remove all quoted-printable encodings from mail) Another confusing point is that even though my ~/.mh_profile says inc: -norpop -truncate -audit audit-file the file mbox.sgk is not zero'd after I fetch the files in it. As far as I can tell, what happens is that inc first read the profile, and sets -truncate. Then it reads the command line, and -file automatically sets -notruncate. If you have both -truncate and -file in the profile, the file is truncated. -- Rural sizes win [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iki.fi/liw/ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpbO8GvlO22q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Fwd: Virus Alert]
Robbie Honerkamp: Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message. Not true. The Good Times virus is a hoax, but it is possible to get a virus from e-mail, in some circumstances. Some e-mail systems allow the sender to tag the contents as being plain text, HTML, C source code, a shell script, and so on. This is not something that MIME invented -- it existed well before MIME. It's a good thing, since it allows programs to handle mail more intelligently. However, stupid people can also write mail user programs that automatically run a program that comes in e-mail. Even more stupid people use such programs. For example, I've seen a procmail rule that was essentially like this: :0 * ^Subject: runme | sed '1,/^$/d' | sh For those who don't understand procmail's syntax, this takes every letter that has runme in the subject and runs its body as shell commands. Very, very dangerous. I've been told that some Windows mail programs have something similar built in (if you receive a Word document, they automatically run Word and load that document -- Word documents can contain powerful macros that are run automatically when the document is loaded), but I haven't verified it. GNU Emacs had a similar feature (certain magic lines in a file could run any Emacs commands automatically when the file was loaded -- and Emacs commands are powerful indeed). So it's quite possible to get a virus from e-mail, but you have to either be wantonly stupid (if you install a dangerous procmail rule), or just ignorant that the program had the capability (what do you mean you didn't read the footnote on page 481 of the technical reference manual you must buy separately?). For more information, you might want to search the RISKS archive (see the comp.risks newsgroup). Notice that the original post came from AOL.. :) Not everyone from AOL is stupid. I've exchanged mail with an AOL user who wrote C compilers to cure hangovers... Most AOL users are new on the net, and they're clumsy, silly and sometimes irritating, but there's some very shrewd people on AOL as well. With six million users (three times as many as on the whole of Usenet when I started reading it) you get all kinds of people. -- Rural sizes win [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iki.fi/liw/ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgp7hhutvERhX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Unidentified subject!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: THE QUESTION - How big can a Debian ( and/or slakware) filesystem be?? The ext2 filesystem can be at least 2 terabytes, with files up to at least 2 gigabytes. Other filesystems Linux support have lower limits. - AND is that size limitation consistent with nfs mount points? Don't know, sorry. - are there any nfs howtos that would be helpful to pick through? There is the NET-2-HOWTO, but don't forget the Network Administrators' Guide. I think O'Reilly Associates has a book on NFS, which is probably good (ORA books tend to be better than average, even if not great). AIX 3.2.5 can mount a file system of _ONLY_ 2 gig !!! Hah! Linux 0.01 can only mount a filesystem of 64 megabytes! -- Rural sizes win [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iki.fi/liw/ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpjj0RDeghvN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: smail 3.1.29.1-22 append_header=... problem
Scott Barker: You might want to consider saving some of the junkmail (perhaps a database holding about 5Meg worth of junkmail), and send each spammer a copy of each o f those junk mails, just so they know how it feels :) Preface each one with Gee, your junk mail was really boring. Perhaps you could take some hints fro m this one... That would also make it *very* hard for the spammer to ignore bounced-back mail. Don't do that. Mail bombing is worse than junk mail.
Re: smail 3.1.29.1-22 append_header=... problem
Scott Barker: But it's not a bomb. You're just helping the spammer along by showing him a bunch of examples of other people's junk mail :) You're providing them a service, and should charge for it :) I see the smileys, but I still disagree. There are people who don't talk about mail bombs (and it is one) in jest. They do it. In doing so, they cause trouble not for the spammer, but all users of all systems and networks through which the bomb travels. Mail bombing is easy. Many people don't understand that it is wrong. Or why. Jesting about it it doesn't discourage people from doing it. Oops. I'm beginning to sound as if I preach political correctness. Honest, I don't. Cross my heart and hope to die. I absolutely _revel_ in tasteless jokes. Especially if they aren't funny. But I've had just about enough of mail bombing for this year, and it isn't even summer yet. I haven't been mail bombed -- yet -- but I sometimes gets hundreds of kilobytes of binaries in my comp.os.linux.announce moderator mailbox, and I'm _not_ amused. -- Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP-key on servers http://www.iki.fi/liw/ http://www.iki.fi/liw/misc/my-editor.html Don't Cc me on replies to mailing lists that I read, thank you.
