Re: MST7MDT (and America/Denver?) timezone broken?
On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:03:51AM -0400, Touloumtzis, Michael wrote: I too got daylight time to be recognized by changing experimentally from the SystemV-style EST5EDT to America/New_York. But that is not a solution to the problem that EST5EDT seems broken in frozen. As for rebooting, I reserve that for my Win95 machine ;-). Honestly, I've seen only one instance in 5 years of running Linux where I _had_ to reboot (the kernel was very confused about swap, and was emitting some _very_ alarming warning messages!). It should be enough to '/etc/init.d/cron restart'. I agree, and generally never reboot. I just wanted to see what the time was in my CMOS clock, since 'hwclock' seems unable to report the actual value in the CMOS clock like it did in slink. Yet another bug (although I note this one is already listed in the Debian bug tracking system). I took a look at the source for timezones from glic6, and I note that America/Denver is the same as MST7MDT. Is anyone in the America/Denver timezone having problems? I also found that America/Edmonton is the same as Canada/Mountain. So, for anyone else who lives in Calgary and doesn't want any reference to Edmonton on their computer, do like me and switch to Canada/Mountain (you have to live here to understand the rivalry between our two cities :) I'm off to file a bug report... -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Help me spread the word: I'm single and looking for a relationship. http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/single.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense. - E. W. Dijkstra
Re: MST7MDT timezone broken?
On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 01:51:37PM -0400, Bob Hilliard wrote: No problems here, either, using up-to-date potato with libc6 2.1.3-7. I haven't seen it documented, but from experience, I believe the daylight saving change is only done if the hardware clock is set to GMT (UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS). Just for the record, my hardware clock is set to UTC. I have filed a bug report against libc6 for this problem as it's been discussed here. For those who complained about cron being off, see man (8)cron: This explains why it might behave oddly once, but my cron stayed off by an hour for a few days. I imagine this is because cron was started when my timezone was MST7MDT, and was still behaving accordingly (that is, according to the broken MST7MDT timezone rules). When I changed the timezone to Canada/Mountain, therefore, cron would not have noticed, at least until it's restarted. -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Help me spread the word: I'm single and looking for a relationship. http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/single.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Without something, there is no nothing. - Chief, _Spice World_
Re: MST7MDT timezone broken?
Following up on my own original post, I notice that there are at least 4 different versions of MST7MDT on my system, as shown by a 'md5sum `locate MST7MDT`': 4a92b448aa22b9a1884b066cb3436477 /usr/share/zoneinfo/MST7MDT 4a92b448aa22b9a1884b066cb3436477 /usr/share/zoneinfo/posix/MST7MDT 1ac36e9eb32fbeb87af9921ba5b58850 /usr/share/zoneinfo/posix/SystemV/MST7MDT 8fb05b91528a1daf65f13b3d3a651bd8 /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/MST7MDT b4885b6a643d6a8c6e5e1f7de5180650 /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/SystemV/MST7MDT 1ac36e9eb32fbeb87af9921ba5b58850 /usr/share/zoneinfo/SystemV/MST7MDT I can't find any information about what the differences would be. Does anyone know? For the record, these work: 4a92b448aa22b9a1884b066cb3436477 /usr/share/zoneinfo/MST7MDT 4a92b448aa22b9a1884b066cb3436477 /usr/share/zoneinfo/posix/MST7MDT 8fb05b91528a1daf65f13b3d3a651bd8 /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/MST7MDT And these don't: 1ac36e9eb32fbeb87af9921ba5b58850 /usr/share/zoneinfo/posix/SystemV/MST7MDT b4885b6a643d6a8c6e5e1f7de5180650 /usr/share/zoneinfo/right/SystemV/MST7MDT 1ac36e9eb32fbeb87af9921ba5b58850 /usr/share/zoneinfo/SystemV/MST7MDT It would seem all the 'SystemV' timezones are broken, at least for MST7MDT. I'm going to update my bug report now. -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Help me spread the word: I'm single and looking for a relationship. http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/single.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Somebody's had too much to think - ???
Re: MST7MDT timezone broken?
On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 12:55:24AM -0500, Brad wrote: On my system, set to America/Chicago, the daylight savings time change was handled automatically. I wonder, if i had been using CST6CDT instead (the two should be equivalent, AFAIK) would i have had the same problem? I just switched my timezone to America/Edmonton, which fixed the apparent problem with the timezone, but cron is still an hour behind. I guess I might as well reboot and see what happens... -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Help me spread the word: I'm single and looking for a relationship. http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/single.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. - Carl Sagan, Contact
Re: MST7MDT timezone broken?
On Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 04:15:09PM -0400, Touloumtzis, Michael wrote: I had a similar experience with EST5EDT on potato, and posted a query about it to debian-user (subject: daylight savings time problem with potato?). My query was met with a stunning silence. I do see a few small indications (such as your query) that something really is amiss, but I see no answer to your question in the archive. Did you get a direct reply that was helpful? Did you open a bug? Am I dreaming, or are some of the libc6 tzone files messed up? I have as yet received no reply. However, I think there is something generally wrong with timezones as well. I corrected the system time for daylight savings, but now CRON is off by an hour. It seems CRON is still on standard time, and didn't notice the change to the system time. As soon as I get a chance, I'm going to check the buglist for cron and see if this is an already known bug. Something must be wrong with the latest version of glibc, because I didn't have these problems with slink. -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Help me spread the word: I'm single and looking for a relationship. http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/single.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] I think we consider too much the good luck of the early bird, and not enough the bad luck of the early worm. - Franklin D. Roosevelt
MST7MDT timezone broken?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the MST7MDT timezone, should we not be on MDT now? On my slink machines, the time correctly adjusted last night, but on my potato system, it did not. If I'm not mistaken, I'll file a bug report... -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Help me spread the word: I'm single and looking for a relationship. http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/single.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Where there are no men of honor, strive to be a man of honor, so that others may learn from your example. - Ethics of the Fathers
using latin american characters
Is there a howto or some other document somewhere that gives step-by-step instructions on how to set up most programs to use the latin character set? The keyboard howto told me how to setup emacs and less, but I can't find information anywhere on how to setup netscape to allow the input of accented characters in text input fields and from within java and javascript. -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Looking for a husband? Know anyone looking for a husband? Well, I'm looking for a wife. See http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/wife.shtml Want a good deal on a personal computer in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? Visit http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/computers.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] The mark of an immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one. - William Stekel
status of automated install
Some time ago, I saw a note on the mailing list about work progressing on automated installs of Debian. I was just wondering how far along it is. I've got about 150 workstations that run linux, and right now I have to use RedHat because RedHat has an automated install. But I'm getting really sick and tired of things not working properly on RedHat (most recently, in RedHat 6.0, NFS has scr*wed the pooch), and I'm desparately waiting for Debian's automated install so I can switch... -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Looking for a husband? Know anyone looking for a husband? Well, I'm looking for a wife. See http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/wife.shtml Want a good deal on a personal computer in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? Visit http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/computers.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Experience is a dear teacher, but fools will learn from no other. - Benjamin Franklin
Re: Missing functions in debian's packaging system
On Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 07:55:35PM -0700, Seth R Arnold wrote: apt-apropos quake Good idea. Does it exist yet? I can find no such command in slink... -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Looking for a husband? Know anyone looking for a husband? Well, I'm looking for a wife. See http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/wife.shtml Want a good deal on a personal computer in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? Visit http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/computers.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] A loaf of bread is better than nothing. Nothing is better than true love. Therefore, a loaf of bread is better than true love. - ???
Re: Missing functions in debian's packaging system
On Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 10:00:55PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/lib/modules/2.2.12apt-cache search quake Cool. Thanks. Now, all we need is a switch to apt or dpkg to remove forward dependent packages (so, for example, one could remove communicator-smotif-407, and all packages it depended upon, except those needed by other packages). -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Looking for a husband? Know anyone looking for a husband? Well, I'm looking for a wife. See http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/wife.shtml Want a good deal on a personal computer in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? Visit http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/computers.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] We're going to use prototypes?!? Oh. My. God! - Josh Pritikin
Re: Missing functions in debian's packaging system
On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 12:11:01PM -0500, Bruce Walzer wrote: This thread prompted me to play with the apt stuff a bit. Would the following be useful? [snipped] The stuff in the Dependencies section could be attacked with sed/cut or the like and fed directly to a dpkg --purge for a _real_ ugly hack. It would be very important not to go dpkg --purge --force-depends. I thought about that, and yes it could be done. But I was hoping that it would one day be implemented properly inside dpkg or apt. Just a feature for the wishlist, I guess... -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Looking for a husband? Know anyone looking for a husband? Well, I'm looking for a wife. See http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/wife.shtml Want a good deal on a personal computer in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? Visit http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/computers.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] The reward of a thing well done, is to have done it. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Missing functions in debian's packaging system
As good as debian's package system is, I can't find any way to find out what packages depended upon a package which has been removed. For example, if I remove the communicator-smotif package, I'd like to be able to also remove the packages it depended upon. I know I could check the 'Depends:' line for a package before I remove it, but it would be nice if that information was included as part of the package removal process. Perhaps even an option to dpkg to remove a package and all packages that it depended on (as long as those packages are required by another package). It would also be nice if there was a command that could be used to look for a package based on a description (for example, I'd like to quickly find out which package gives me quake, or the realvideo player). I know that I can peruse the 'available' file for this information, but from a new users' perspective, there should be a more obvious way to do this. Finally, I was wondering if there were any efforts underway to merge RedHat's and Debian's package formats. Yes, I know 'alien' can handle rpms, but it can't handle conflicts in filenames and so forth between rpms and official debs. If the linux community could have a common package format (like we have a common kernel), it would allow users to mix and match packages from different sources (assuming there was some common base system). Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I think it would be neat to be able to change distributions just by installing a few packages. -- Scott Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Consultant http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott Looking for a husband? Know anyone looking for a husband? Well, I'm looking for a wife. See http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/wife.shtml Want a good deal on a personal computer in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? Visit http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/computers.shtml [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. - ???
pppd no longer logging to wtmp/utmp
I had asked the following question on this list some time ago. Has anyone found a solution to this problem, or is it unique to me? After upgrading to debian 2.0, pppd is no longer logging incoming ppp connections to wtmp/utmp. I'm using the 'login' option for pppd, which is what used to work. What has changed, and how can I get the old behaviour back? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/ (under construction) [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it. - Dwight D. Eisenhower
pppd no longer logging to wtmp/utmp
After upgrading to debian 2.0, pppd is no longer logging incoming ppp connections to wtmp/utmp. I'm using the 'login' option for pppd, which is what used to work. What has changed, and how can I get the old behaviour back? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/ (under construction) [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] ...and how are you going to make education easy? You might as well try to build an athlete by keeping him in a hammock with cream puffs and beer. - Edgar Pangborn
Re: CD-Rs In Linux
Carroll Kong said: Hi guys. I normally did not have any problems with Linux, Windows 95, Windows NT with the Yamaha CDRW4260. I have the same CDR. Don't put the jumper on. It works just fine under linux without it. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Those who have never tried electronic communication may not be aware of what a social skill really is. One social skill that must be learned, is that other people have points of view that are not only different, but *threatening*, to your own. In turn, your opinions may be threatening to others. There is nothing wrong with this. Your beliefs need not be hidden behind a facade, as happens with face-to-face conversation. Not everybody in the world is a bosom buddy, but you can still have a meaningful conversation with them. The person who cannot do this lacks in social skills. - Nick Szabo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NIS in Debian 1.3 broken?
I upgraded a box from 1.2 to 1.3, and now my NIS doesn't work. A yppasswd reports the user as unknown, and a ypwhich results in a segfault. A ypcat reports that there is no server bound to the NIS domain. The yp server is a debian box still running 1.2. I tried upgrading a separate debian box piece by piece, and found that upgrading libc5 seems to be the culprit. Both the libc5 in 1.3, and the libc5 in bo-updates don't work. At another installation, I upgraded to 1.3 without a hitch. The yp server in that setup is a DEC machine running OSF/1 V3.2 Has anyone else noticed this problem? Is it somehow related to the old NIS server in debian 1.2? Is there a fix yet? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mostlylinux.ab.ca/scott/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Try to look unimportant because the bad guys may be low on ammo. - Amphibious Warfare Review, Spring '89 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: wu-ftpd to do virtuals
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Can anyone tell me what is required to do virtual ftp sites with the standard wu-ftpd distributed on debian ? Nothing. You can't. There is some support for virtual ftp sites in wu-ftpd-2.4.2-beta-11, which can be gotten from wuarchive.wustl.edu I've also got some patches (against debian's wu-ftpd and the beta above) that provide virtual ftp site functionality at: http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/programs/ -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] I think Congress has spent enough time on ethics. I think its time they moved on to something else. - Richard M. Nixon -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up IP mascarading.
Shaya Potter said: All my experience with linux networking has either been plain lans or just setting up PPP. I am sure I need to role my own kernel with things like IP mascarading, but do I also need firewalling and ip-forwarding. There is a IP-Masquerading mini-HOWTO on suniste.unc.edu, I believe. You need to compile a kernel with CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y, CONFIG_FIREWALL=y, CONFIG_IP_FORWARD=y, CONFIG_IP_FIREWALL=y, and CONFIG_IP_MASQUERADE=y. Then, setup the masquerading with: # default policy deny forwarding (to prevent any packets from escaping /sbin/ipfwadm -F -p deny # allow forwarding on the local net (in case you have any PPP connections # via null-modem or modem) /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a accept -S localnet/24 -D localnet/24 # masquerade anything from the localnet /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -S localnet/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0 # to allow ftp to work (there are also irc and realaudio modules) /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp # add this if you have any microslop boxes (there is a bug in them which # will bring your ISP connection up every 7-10minutes if you don't add this) /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a deny -S localnet/24 netbios-ns -D this_host domain -P udp -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Learning from one's own experience is even more impractical if the injury is a very serious one. In the extreme case of a fatal accident, of course, the learning experience might be profound, but the learning curve is abruptly truncated. - Victor Goldberg (1974) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up Masquerading on Debian machines.
Remco van de Meent said: Yes, but what you want is masquerading the eth-iface using the ppp0-iface... So what I suggest is the following: ipfwadm -F -a masquerade -S 192.168.1.1 -D 0.0.0.0/0 -W ppp0 I believe the -W option should only be used for -I and -O rules. Forwarding by definition occurs across (at least) two interfaces, so limiting it to one interface using -W doesn't make sense. Also, don't forget that 'ping' won't work :) (use traceroute or telnet). -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Benson, you are so free of the ravages of intelligence - Time Bandits -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
InfoMagic CD ROM
Just picked up the latest InfoMagic CDROM (green). It claims to have Debian 1.2 on it, but once again, there are a few problems (not like the 1.0 fiasco, though). Here's a list -- consider this the early warning system for anyone using Debian 1.2 off the infomagic cd: First, the following packages (at least) have more than one version on the cd: base-files kbd makedev util-linux man dpkg-ftp ppp tcsh xbase xlib6 Depending on the order in which dpkg finds them, you may or may not end up with the latest version. This is probably a bug in dpkg -- dpkg should not only refuse to downgrade when the -G option is specified, it should also prevent a downgrade if a newer package is installed during the current run (this would keep dpkg from installing 'xlib6_3.2-1a', then downgrading to 'xlib6_3.2-1' when they are encountered in that order, etc). Second, the following packages (at least) are on the CD, but are not the same verision as in Debian 1.2 on the debian ftp sites (hopefully the versions on the cd don't have any bugs or security holes, so that users aren't forced to immediately upgrade via ftp): dpkg makedev modconf dpkg-dev libg++27-dev libg++27 doc-linux nvi netstd xbase Of course, all the other notes about problems installing/upgrading Debian 1.2 apply as well. I also ran across another problem which I think was mentioned already -- xbase restarts xdm automatically when you're upgrading. This is *very* annoying when you've killed xdm and are upgrading from a text console. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. - Chinese proverb -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List of installation problems for 1.2
Nicely summarized list, Dale. But, I've a few notes to add: Dale Scheetz said: 1. Already reported as a bug: Can't find xlib6 so file. Add /usr/X11R6/lib to ld.so.conf and run ldconfig. I did not have this problem. My /etc/ld.so.conf still contains /usr/X11R6/lib after my upgrade. 4. New sendmail fails to use old .cf file One report indicates re-installation fixes the problem. I could not get sendmail to use my old .cf file, nor a new one I generated. Re-installing sendmail did not help. It always complains about the line: Kdequote dequote saying file does not exist. My only solution was to down-grade to 8.7.6-1 5. Cron dies. (actually never starts) Run update-rc.d cron defaults cron died for me, but the symlinks remained. All I had to do was /etc/init.d/cron start I did not have to use 'update-rc.d' 11. xbase can't remove xdm and xfs Remove by hand using dpkg --purge. Again, I did not experience this problem during the upgrade. 17. Adduser depends on perl-suid, not in base. Install by hand using --force-depends On a philosophical note, I don't believe that a required base package should depend on a program which is an inherent security risk (perl-suid). As a final note, 'elm' is still broken when reading mail from a nfs-mounted spool dir. It fails to restore the correct permissions (should be 660, ends up being 600). This makes it impossible for the remote sendmail to deliver the mail (not sure exactly why -- the sendmail on the remote in this case is AIX's sendmail). I had to restore my hacked version of elm (which is fixed for my situation only). -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Technology is a way of organizing the universe so that man doesn't have to experience it. - Max Frisch -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List of installation problems for 1.2
Dale Scheetz said:
If you don't update rc.d you will probably have to manually start cron
every time you reboot. Does it still have a cron entry?
Yes, I still have a cron entry in /etc/rcX.d
But, as I said, I was going from an upgrade, not a bare install, so I imagine
my links were left over from prior to the upgrade. (I notice the postinst
script doesn't create them).
As the elm maintainer I would be pleased to see a diff of your hacked
version. I have no way to test an nfs mount, so I will rely heavily on
your feedback.
Here you go. Note that I haven't really fixed the underlying problem, I've
just altered the code so that it fixes my particular situation. My feeling is
that the (!need_to_copy) test should be (need_to_copy), but since I'm not very
intimate with the elm code, I can't be sure. Therefore, I've simply commented
out the test, so that the file perms are restored every time.
diff -u -r elm-2.4pl25.orig/src/leavembox.c elm-2.4pl25/src/leavembox.c
--- elm-2.4pl25.orig/src/leavembox.cSun Mar 26 16:27:24 1995
+++ elm-2.4pl25/src/leavembox.c Mon Sep 30 21:54:36 1996
@@ -845,14 +845,18 @@
* tracking down what it points to.
*/
+#if 0
if (!need_to_copy) {
+#endif
if(restore_file_stats(cur_folder) != 1) {
error1(catgets(elm_msg_cat, ElmSet,
ElmLeaveProblemsRestoringPerms,
Problems restoring permissions of folder %s!),
cur_folder);
if (sleepmsg 0)
sleep(sleepmsg);
}
+#if 0
}
+#endif
#if defined(BSD) !defined(UTIMBUF)
utime_buffer[0] = buf.st_atime;
--
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Linux Consultant
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Re: Upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2
Further info on my upgrade: I just noticed that some daemons were not re-started during the upgrade, notably cron. I believe lpr and ypbind were also not restarted. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist. - Dom Helder Camara -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2
James Martino said: Bruce was asking for upgrade stories - here's a data point. Here's another: I updated from debian 1.1.17 (the latest, I believe). I experienced the following problems: 1) perl installation failed. It pre-depends on libdl1, which is provided by ldso, but dselect complained that it couldn't resolve the pre-dependancy. I installed ldso by hand using dpkg, then re-ran dselect and the problem was fixed. 2) somewhere along the line, /bin/perl got deleted, and I got an error out of one of the preinst scripts. Somewhere further along the line, /bin/perl got put back. Unfortunately, I didn't catch which packages were involved. 3) gcc depends on cpp (different from Debian 1.1). However, when dselect installed cpp, it removed gcc, and I had to re-tag gcc for installtion (a second installation run fixed the problem). 4) there are two copies of xbase (1.1 and 1a). This didn't cause a problem, it just wasted time. 5) sendmail doesn't work. I had to reinstall the binaries from 8.7.6-1. The problem was that sendmail could parse the .cf file properly (complaining about the 'dequote' map -- saying file doesn't exist). 6) libg++ and libg++-dev conflicted with each other for some reason. Re-running the installtion from dselect cleared up the problem. Aside from the above problems (which I easily solved, but which a less experienced user may have had trouble with), the upgrade went very well, and I'm now a happy debian-1.2 user. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] The last time somebody said, `I find I can write much better with a word processor.', I replied, `They used to say the same thing about drugs.' - Roy Blount, Jr. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mounting a file as a filesystem
Dale Scheetz said: If you use loop devices at all you will certainly want more than one. My system has loop0 thru loop7. As does mine. 'MAKEDEV loop' creates them all (at least, it did on my Debian 1.1 system). This would allow your mount to look like: mount -o loop=/dev/loop2 -t ext2 /path/to/file /mount/point That works too. My way (mount -o loop -t ext2 ...) make mount choose the first available loop device. If you need to know which specific loop device is being used, Dale's way is better. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] A man sometimes devotes his life to a desire which he is not sure will ever be fulfilled. Those who laugh at this folly are, after all, no more than mere spectators of life. - Ryunosuke Akutagawa -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down. From miss Received: from mongo.pixar.com (138.72.50.60) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 7 Dec 1996 00:48:52 - Received: (qmail 10885 invoked from network); 7 Dec 1996 00:32:40 - Received: from softdnserror (HELO master.debian.org) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mongo.pixar.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 1996 00:31:27 - Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:29:35 -0500 (EST) Sender: Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Wine, sources of other debian packages In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: XX_IU1.0.Hh3.avBgo@master.debian.org Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/969 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Priority: non-urgent Importance: low Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] With the discusion of Wine, I was wondering if a Wine package was in the works? Also, are there any other good sources of .deb packages other than ftp.debian.org and its mirrors. I'm thinking of stuff too new/experimental to even put in unstable. Or maybe non-free/demo packages companies didn't want in non-free. Thanks, Greg -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fun with procmail... STILL.
Boris D. Beletsky said: Daniel :0 * X-Mailing-List: debian-user@ debian-user :0 * ^X-Mailing-List: *debian-user* debian-user I use: :0: * ^TOdebian-user lists/debian-users Works great. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half the time. - E. B. White -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mounting a file as a filesystem
Dale Scheetz said: This may be true (most probably is) but mkisofs is the tool I know about from personal experience. How would I create an ext2fs in a file? Wouldn't it still need to be a ro file system? dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/file bs=1k count=size mke2fs /path/to/file size mount -t ext2 /path/to/file /mount/point That should do it. No need for a ro file system, especially if you want to be able to write things to it! -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, and is thus a source of civilized delight. - William Safire -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UMSDOS partition and debian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have gathered that it is possible to run the debian installation in a dos fat partition. I am hoping that this configuration would resemble the slakware installation running over the dos fat partition. Do not, repeat DO NOT use UMSDOS filesystems with 2.0.x kernels up to 2.0.23. There are at least two problems I'm aware of. I believe one of them has been fixed in the 2.0.27 kernel, but I haven't verified that yet. The other problem has to do with SCSI disks. As far as I can tell, UMSDOS still does not work with SCSI disks. Your kernel stack will overflow, which means all kinds of random, nasty things can happen. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Better stop short than fill to the brim. Oversharpen the blade, and the edge will soon blunt. Amass a store of gold and jade, and no one can protect it. Claim wealth and titles, and disaster will follow. Retire when the work is done. This is the way of heaven. - Tao Te Ching -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mounting a file as a filesystem
Scott Barker said: mount -t ext2 /path/to/file /mount/point oops. That should be mount -o loop -t ext2 /path/to/file /mount/point And, don't forget to make sure that the loop devices have been created: cd /dev ./MAKEDEV loop -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] The ideal situation is to have real computing power close at hand - right at home. Something that dims streetlights and shrinks the picture on the neighbors TV when you crank it up. - Unknown -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UMSDOS partition and debian
Rick Macdonald said: I've had /home and my debian mirror and a few other things on a UMSDOS filesystem for quite awhile. I just upgraded to 2.0.25 a couple of weeks ago. Before that I was running 2.0.6. I never noticed any problems compared to 1.2.13 or whatever it was that I used to run. The real problem is with SCSI, which causes kernel stack overflows. For IDE, all I could find was a problem with the unlinking of inodes. For normal use, this wasn't a problem. But, for the convoluted ways in which dselect/dpkg handle safe package upgrading, this caused a problem in that UMSDOS could not unlink an inode for a file which was in use (such as /bin/bash when trying to upgrade bash while using bash as your shell). I believe I saw something in the Changes for 2.0.26 or 2.0.27 which mentioned inode removal under UMSDOS (or maybe it was DOS) which may fix the problem, but I haven't had time (or reason) to check it out yet. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] You wanna know how to nail Capone? This is how you nail Capone: he pulls a knife you pull a gun, he puts one of yours in the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. THAT'S how you nail Capone. - Sean Connery in The Untouchables -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lprng gone?
I just got an alert about a linux security hole. The alert recommended using lprng from ftp.debian.org:/debian/project/experimental But, lprng is missing. Will it return? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] An idealist is one who, on noticing that a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup. - H. L. Mencken -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lprng gone?
Lawrence Chim said: What is it? A replacement for the bsd lpr. The bsd lpr suffers from a buffer overrun security hole right now. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Ladies are requested not to have children in the bar. - Sign in a Norwegian cocktail lounge -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?
Rick Macdonald said: I couldn't find in the FAQ whether or not one can place all the deb files on a UMSDOS drive and install from scratch with the boot floopy sets. Dunno about that, but I *do* know that you should *not* use UMSDOS on a SCSI device. There is a bug still floating around in the kernel which will cause massive filesystem corruption on your UMSDOS partition if it is on a SCSI device. Something to do with a kernel stack overflow somewhere. The UMSDOS developer is trying to isolate the problem. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] All animals except man know that the ultimate of life is to enjoy it. - Samuel Butler -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian startup scripts dedicated ppp
The simple solution to your problem is to put the 'noauto' option on your nfs directory entry in /etc/fstab, and then put an explicit mount command (and corresponding umount command) in the init.d/ppp script. You could also setup amd, but that could be overkill for your situation. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] There is a coherent plan in the universe, though I don't know what it's a plan for. - Fred Hoyle
sendmail queuing incoming mail
I'm trying to figure out why my incoming mail (coming in via uucp) is being queued up instead of being delivered straight to my mailbox. I'm using debian sendmail, Version: 8.7.5-4 I've got the following in my .mc file: VERSIONID(`@(#)sendmail.mc 8.7 (Linux) 3/5/96') OSTYPE(debian)dnl FEATURE(nocanonify)dnl FEATURE(nouucp)dnl FEATURE(nodns)dnl FEATURE(local_procmail, /usr/bin/procmail) MAILER(local)dnl MAILER(smtp)dnl FEATURE(mailertable, hash /etc/mailertable) define(`UUCP_MAX_SIZE', 0) define(`SMART_HOST', uucp-dom:cuugnet) MAILER(uucp) Which results in the following in my sendmail.cf file (among much else): O DeliveryMode=background Mlocal, P=/usr/bin/procmail, F=lsDFMAw5:/|@SPfhn, S=10/30, R=20/40, T=DNS/RFC822/X-Unix, A=procmail -Y -a $h -d $u As you can see, the expensive flag is not present, and queue mode is not set, so I can't figure out why the mail is being queued. Outgoing mail is sent to uucp right away. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? I've never run across this problem with sendmail before (and I've used sendmail a *lot*, right down to re-writing rule-sets). This is the newest version of sendmail I've ever used though, so perhaps I'm missing something somewhere? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] The shortest distance between two points is under construction. - Noelie Altito
install disks
Where on a CD does the install program on the install disks look for the base1_1.tgz file? I'm going to be cutting a CD with 'buzz' and I want to make sure I cut it in a useful form :) -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Nothing succeeds like the appearance of success. - Christopher Lasch
Re: POP forwarding
Kai Grossjohann said: Douglas == Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Douglas However, my Debian Linux machine can reach outside the Douglas firewall and access their home server for them. I think it would not be too difficult to write a POP proxy. You write a little program that runs on your Debian box that pretends to be a POP server, but what it really does is to open a connection to the *real* POP server of your friends and forward all commands to that server. There is a little program which comes with INN which can do this (backends/rcompress.c). It can be altered to forward connections to any server on any port. I've used it to forward NNTP connections past a firewall, using tcp_wrapper in inetd to control access. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] It's an experience like no other experience I can describe, the best thing that can happen to a scientist, realizing that something that's happened in his or her mind exactly corresponds to something that happens in nature. It's startling every time it occurs. One is surprised that a construct of one's mind can actually be realize in the honest-to-goodness world out there. A great shock, and a great, great joy. - Leo Kadanoff
Re: installation notes
Rick Hawkins said: You have to install dpkg-ftp. After much hunting, I found this in /debian/project/experimental which mirror did you find this on? i just tried caldera, and it's not there. I've accidentally removed it from one of my machines, and am trying to move the files from the other . . . I found it on ftp.debian.org:/debian/project/experimental/dpkg-ftp* -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] The intelligence of the driver is inversely proportional to the height of his tires. - Sokol's Law
tin package
Any ideas why there is still a tin package in the 'contrib' dir, when there is already one in buzz/binary/news? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] If you view your problem closely enough you will recognize yourself as part of the problem. - Ducharm's Axiom
Packages file for buzz
The Packages file for 'buzz' still references all packages to the 'unstable' directory. Is this a bug? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said. - ???
Re: 1.1 Beta Install (11 June 1996 disks)
Chris Walker said: Andy Dougherty wrote: 1. My PS/2 mouse no longer works. I'll try to track this down today. Try compiling the kernel with PS/2 mouse support in the kernel, rather than as a module. I can't use the kernel-image-1.99.7 for this reason, as lack of mouse support seems to cause X to hang the computer. I've reported this (Bug#3265), and if you can throw more light on it, I'm sure it would be welcome. I'm beginning to wonder whether this problem is a kernel bug. I am using kernel 2.0, and I have the ps/2 mouse compiled as a module. It works just fine. When I start X, a module 'misc' is loaded, which seems to be a pre-depend for the psaux module. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] My way of joking is to tell the truth; it's the funniest joke in the world. - ???
Re: installation notes
Sebastian Kuzminsky said: Hello, i'm a new Debian convert. I have been using the ftp method of dselect to install and update Debian 1.1b on a few machines. I have a few questions and comments on the installation/maintenance procedure. Where is the option for this ftp method? I'd love to give it a try, but it's not listed in the access methods of dpkg-1.2.6elf -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. - Abraham Lincoln
Re: installation notes
Rob Browning said: You have to install dpkg-ftp. After much hunting, I found this in /debian/project/experimental Now, to give it a try... -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Nobody controls his own life. The best you can do is choose to be controlled by good pepole, By pepole who love you. - Orson Scott Card, Ender's Game
Re: linux v2.0: networking sendmail changes?
Rob Leslie said: The newest sendmail packages have been compiled to use flock() file locking as recommended by the kernel notes. But make sure to used *hashed* database files. If you use dbm files, you get problems. The dbm library must have been compiled to use fcntl (or lockf). -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Tell the Truth and run. - Yugoslav proverb
Re: problem with traceroute
Mark Eichin said: There are actually a number of unstable packages that don't work under 1.2.13 -- most have explicit dependencies (diald used to, for example) but some don't. BIND, for example, needs the ip_options support that was added in 1.3 (though I've submitted a reasonably clean fix for that, I understand if there isn't much interest in it.) Interesting. I've had no problems at all with BIND... Guess I may have to bite the bullet and use a development kernel if 2.x doesn't come out real soon... -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] What we call 'Progress' is the exchange of one nuisance for another nuisance. - Henry Havelock Ellis
problem with traceroute
Since upgrading netstd to version 2.03-1, I'm getting the following error out of traceroute: traceroute: IP_HDRINCL: Protocol not available Is this because I'm still running a 1.2.13 kernel? Is the above protocol something new in 1.3.xx? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] It takes a long time to understand nothing. - Edward Dahlberg
Re: PPP problem w/ 1.1 install
Michael Callahan said: I just grabbed the latest disks from ftp.debian.org (in /pub/debian/unstable/disks-i386/current, the 1440 series), and proceded to do the installation. It mostly works, but I'm having trouble with PPP. I recompiled the kernel (using 1.3.100-1 now) with PPP support, but when I try to run pppd, it says the kernel does not support PPP. I believe it has something to do with the lack of ppp devices in the /dev directory. Has anyone else had trouble with this latest build? I had this same problem. I finally tracked it to a problem with the ttyS* drivers in the kernel. However, I don't know exactly where in the drivers the problem is. For now, I run 'pppd' without the 'connect' option once after a reboot. It will fail, of course, but it puts the ttyS* device into the correct state, and 'pppd' works fine after that. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] As soon as we started programming, we found to our surprise that it wasn't as easy to get programs right as we had thought. Debugging had to be discovered. I can remember the exact instant when I realized that a large part of my life from then on was going to be spent in finding mistakes in my own programs. - Maurice Wilkes discovers debugging, 1949
Instructions for upgrade to v1.1 (devel)
In line with Dale Scheetz's wonderful upgrade instructions, I have a list here to feed into his script to upgrade a *minimal* devel section. I upgraded the packages in this order, and suffered no ill effects (so far) and no errors from dpkg. I then went on to upgrade various other bits and pieces in the devel section and the x11 section using dselect without any problems. Near as I can tell, the list below will get one to a minimal state to compile a kernel and simple programs. To compile X and other stuff will require upgrading their respective packages (xdevel, tk40, tclX, tcl74, etc, etc) as they become needed. One note: be careful upgrading the 'net' packages -- I found the way the control files are setup for netbase and netstd make them very difficult to install by hand. I don't know if it would have been any easier using dselect. -i /devel/ libc4 -i /devel/ libc4-dev -i /devel/ libc5-dev -i /devel/ aout-binutils -i /devel/ aout-gcc -i /devel/ aout-librl -i /devel/ autoconf -i /devel/ bin86 -i /devel/ binutils -i /devel/ bison -i /devel/ byacc -i /devel/ dlltools -i /devel/ flex -i /devel/ gcc -i /devel/ m4 -i /devel/ make --purge ncurses-developer -i /devel/ ncurses3.0-dev -i /devel/ pmake -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] I'm a slow walker, but I never walk back. - Abraham Lincoln
really old bugs
I just went perusing the bug lists and noticed two things: The mirror at debian.org is severely out of date. The mirror maintainer seems to know this, as there is a message there saying so. I was wondering if this was going to be corrected soon? More importantly, I see bugs still listed (at the primary site) as outstanding which are over a year old! I can't imagine many of them are *actually* still not solved after that long. Is anything done to periodically clean obsolete bugs out of the list? (Yes, I am offering to be the bug-cleaner-outer, if someone is needed for the task). -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] The mark of an immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, while the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one. - William Stekel
Re: more trouble with 1.1 upgrade
Ian Jackson said: Scott Barker writes (Re: more trouble with 1.1 upgrade): ok. So what happens when I install the new cron, and /usr/bin/savelog isn't in it? Won't dpkg remove it, since /usr/bin/savelog has been removed from /var/lib/dpkg/info/base.list? Err, bugger. I knew this --force-replaces thing was a bad idea. If you do this you'll have to reinstall bsdutils, but there's nothing really that can be done about it. cron needs to be fixed. That's what I thought. Just thought I'd mention the problem. Perhaps when cron is fixed, the bsdutils package should be bumped up a version, so that dselect will automagically re-install it. Or maybe the cron postinst script should spit out a message letting the user know that bsdutils should be updated. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Though we travel the world over to find the beautiful, we must carry it with us or we find it not. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: more trouble with 1.1 upgrade
Ian Jackson said: Yes. cron needs to have savelog removed. ok. So what happens when I install the new cron, and /usr/bin/savelog isn't in it? Won't dpkg remove it, since /usr/bin/savelog has been removed from /var/lib/dpkg/info/base.list? Could be trouble... Also, I notice that at did not properly update /etc/crontab. I was left with the following entry: * * * * * rootatrun -d 0.5 Rather than what should have been added: * * * * * rootatrun -d -l 0.5 I'm not terribly familiar with perl, so I don't know why the at.postinst script didn't work. This has been fixed in the most recent at package, I believe. As of version 2.9a-11, it hasn't. The perl script seems to try and fix it, but didn't quite manage to do it on my system (which was 0.93R6). I believe the maintainer of the package is looking into it. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Management's biggest problem is all the unemployed people on the payroll. - From rec.humor
nvi segfaults
Is anyone else getting Segmentation Faults out of version 1.34-12 of nvi? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] To know is nothing at all; to imagine is everything. - Anatole France
Re: kernel headers
Manoj Srivastava said: [reasoning for putting kernel headers in with libc packages] Your reasoning is understandable, however, we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue. I still don't feel it is right to put kernel headers anywhere except with the kernel (or perhaps as their own package). If people want to play around with development kernels, they should be prepared for things to break. Debian should concentrate on providing a complete, stable system. If users want to break that stability, it's up to them to watch out for themselves. I'm not complaining (at least, not very hard), but that's my 2cents worth. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] The past always looks better than it was. It's only pleasant because it isn't here. - Finley Peter Dunne (Mr. Dooley)
changelogs for debian packages
Either I'm blind, or the changelogs for debian packages are not part of the packages. It would be nice if they were, so that when an upgrade takes place, the user could see what has changed from one version to the next without having to download the source and unpack it to find out. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] The marvels - of film, radio, and television - are marvels of one-way communication, which is not communication at all. - Milton Mayer
Re: kernel headers
Manoj Srivastava said: The kernel headers package are for those people who are not satisfied with the headers in libc5-dev, (or don't have libc5-dev, in which case I wonder why they want the headers at all, since compilation (I think) depends on having libc5-dev), and also don't want to pull in the rest of the kernel sources. I guess I wasn't clear enough -- I was actually wondering why kernel headers were included anywhere *except* with the kernel source. I can see some logic in having a kernel-headers package for those who don't want all the kernel source, but I totally fail to see why any kernel headers are included in the libc packages. Kernel headers are dependant upon the kernel source, not on the C libraries. It just doesn't make sense to me. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Money can be lost...beauty normally fades with the years...health may fail or some disease can strike...friends usually vanish, perhaps die. Only memories remain for as long as you live. so, live that your memories will make you glad rather than sad. - George Dubow
Bug#3061: No more logs since cron.weekly rotation
Guy Maor said: Package: syslogd Version: 1.3-2 The bug is in syslogd - the last line of the /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd script reads /etc/init.d/sysklogd reload. Presumably this UNDOCUMENTED reload command has the same effect as sending a SIGHUP to syslogd. Except it doesn't. I disagree. I was having the same problem, and removed the leading '-' from the log file names in /etc/syslog.conf, and the problem went away. I suspect this new feature of syslogd (the '-' meaning not to immediately flush the files after each entry) is broken. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] The doctrine of human equality reposes on this: that there is no man really clever who has not found that he is stupid. - G. K. Chesterton
un-stripped executables
I just installed the debianized tin version 1.3 on my system, and the executable was 1.4Meg! I stripped it, which reduced it to about 500k, but that still seems large. I'm just wondering how many more files aren't stripped, or are compiled with debugging options which waste space on a debian system. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Jim Horning
X and ELF/a.out
I've noticed that, so far, I can virtually indiscriminately mix and match ELF and a.out on a partially updated debian system. I'm now wanting to upgrade X. Will I still be able to use a.out and ELF binaries under X? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money - Alexis de Toucqueville
more trouble with 1.1 upgrade
I got a message from dpkg when installing cron: dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/savelog', which is also in package debian-utils Is it the same savelog? Also, I notice that at did not properly update /etc/crontab. I was left with the following entry: * * * * * rootatrun -d 0.5 Rather than what should have been added: * * * * * rootatrun -d -l 0.5 I'm not terribly familiar with perl, so I don't know why the at.postinst script didn't work. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Life is too important to take seriously. - Corky Siegel
kernel headers
Is there a good reason that the kernel headers have been separated from the kernel source? I think it is a very Bad Thing to separate the headers from the kernel. The kernel is the heart of the whole system, and I don't think it's wise to split it up. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Let us go forth not as defenders of the status quo, but as crusaders with a revolution idea - that government should be the servant and not the master of the people; that its purpose is to protect, not deny, each man's freedom; that the purpose of a free press is to liberate, not enslave the human spirit. - A. S. Hills, President Inter-American Press Association
Re: Must pppd be run by root?
Scott Barker said: Well, I guess I have no explanation, then. But it's working for me. Perhaps I ran it as root once, and the other machines on the network all remember the address that was being arp'ed for? Just noticed why it was working -- I had a wrapper program to handle users changing their password, or starting ppp. I made that wrapper suid root. That's not very secure (it was a quick hack at the time), so I just changed it to a simple shell script, and guess what -- ppp didn't work anymore. It only started working again when I made pppd suid root. [open mouth, remove foot :)] Now, rather than wait for everyone to decide on a group name, I've just created a pppin group, and put the ppp users into it. Sorry for any confusion... -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us. - Western Union internal memo, 1876.
Re: Must pppd be run by root?
Craig Sanders said: On Thu, 16 May 1996, Scott Barker wrote: The tty's owner gets changed when someone logs in. The owner of the tty (who is the person logged in) can then execute pppd to start ppp. No problem. This is the setup I use (mgetty and pppd) to allow dial-in users to use ppp, with no dial-out access. How are routing and/or arp table entries for the dial-in ppp user handled? I use the 'proxyarp' option, and it seems to work just fine. No need to set up routes if the PPP address is on the same subnet as the rest of your equipment. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Not to perambulate the corridors in the hours of repose in the boots of ascension. - Sign in an Austrian hotel catering to skiers
Re: Must pppd be run by root?
Craig Sanders said: I thought only root could add entries to the arp table? in fact, i just tried setting an arp entry as 'cas' and got: SIOCSARP: Operation not permitted Well, I guess I have no explanation, then. But it's working for me. Perhaps I ran it as root once, and the other machines on the network all remember the address that was being arp'ed for? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Be true to your work, your word, and your friend. - Henry David Thoreau
Re: Must pppd be run by root?
Craig Sanders said: On Tue, 14 May 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we make that dialout, please? Something already present and used by (at least) dip and efax. I suppose that would do the job, but what if a sysadmin wants to allow users to dial in using ppp, but NOT allow them to dialout with minicom or send faxes? The tty's owner gets changed when someone logs in. The owner of the tty (who is the person logged in) can then execute pppd to start ppp. No problem. This is the setup I use (mgetty and pppd) to allow dial-in users to use ppp, with no dial-out access. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Just think, IBM and DEC in the same room, and we did it. - Ken Thompson, quoted by Dennis Ritchie
A few more problems with 1.1
I have noticed two more problems with 1.1 First, after upgrading from 0.93R6, I'm left with a file /tmp/base.postinst (I assume the base package didn't clean itself up properly -- I removed the auto cleaning of /tmp and /var/tmp from the crontabs and boot scripts). Second, the '-' used in syslog.conf to prevent immediate flushing of the logs doesn't work -- I end up with no logs at all. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] I didn't think it could be done, though given Sun's track record, I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised that they've managed to produce an even worse keyboard than any that they previously had on the market. - Steve Wadlow
Re: making sendmail not use DNS (Was: Re: diald)
Yves Arrouye said: I have them already for a long time. Sendmail still does DNS queries, for example to try to contact my smarthost. I could try to put just this one in /etc/hosts but I'm not sure it will suffice (I'll tell if it does). I assume you are not using uucp, then. Try specifying the smart-host at it's IP address like so: define(`SMART_HOST', smtp:[123.456.789.12]) or define(`SMART_HOST', smtp:[123.456.789.12.]) The [ ] are supposed to tell sendmail to *not* resolve the address, and use it as specified. The second variation (with the trailing dot) probably isn't necessary and may not even work. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] A real patriot is the fellow who gets a parking ticket and rejoices that the system works. - ???
making sendmail not use DNS (Was: Re: diald)
Richard Kettlewell said: Also, do someone know how to ask sendmail really not to make DNS queries? This is somewhat that starts up diald when one does not want, and it is really annoying. In your m4 file, use the following options: FEATURE(nodns) FEATURE(nocanonify) -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] An ambassador is a man of virtue sent to lie abroad for his country; a news-writer is a man without virtue who lies at home for himself. - Sir Henry Wotton, Reliquae Wottonianae
Re: /etc/psdevtab?
eckes said: its a map between Minor/Major Device numbers and Device Names. This is needed for programs like ps which want to print the device names for given inodes. This table is created automatically, if you run ps (from the procps package in the base) the first time. This speeds up ps a big time and reduces the amount of 'stats' in the /dev/ directory on the following invokations of ps. I guess it doesn't work, then. I've got a 12288 byte file full of zeros. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] If the automobile had followed the same development cyclee as the computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, and explode once a year, killing everyone inside. - Robert X. Cringely, InfoWorld
unstable Packages file
I notice the Packages file for the unstable tree at ftp.debian.org is out of date. I though it was updated automatically? Perhaps not... -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty. - George Bernard Shaw
/etc/psdevtab?
After upgrade my base packages to the 1.1ELF stuff, I see a file /etc/psdevtab which wasn't installed by any of the packages. What is this file? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] They that have I's shall be blind until their death. - Lyse
Re: New Upgrade notes for 1.1 beta testing
I just went through a base upgrade from 0.93R6 to 1.1 using Dale Scheetz's upgrade notes. Before I begin upgrading anything else, I though I would make some comments. Firstly, things went very smoothly. However, there were some minor snags: 1) modconf depends on dialog, and I didn't have dialog installed. You might want to alter your upgrade notes to reflect that, Dale. Or, perhaps the debian maintainers can remove modconf from the base system, or include dialog in the base system. 2) modules installs kerneld. This is broken on two levels: a) kerneld doesn't seem to work with kernel 1.2.13, which I am currently using, and I imagine most people are using since it's the stable version (I see the version provided is 1.3.64 -- is it smart to offer a development kernel on what's supposed to become a production system?) b) the kerneld daemon is handled in *both* /etc/init.d/boot and it's own /etc/init.d/kerneld script. I would imagine it should only have one starting point, preferably in the boot script, since the mount -avt nonfs depends on the modules for filesystems (dos, sysv, etc) 3) /etc/init.d/sysklogd reload doesn't seem to work. I made changes to /etc/syslog.conf for my news system, did the reload, but syslogd didn't update itself. I had to 'killall -HUP syslogd' by hand. 4) I get a strange message from syslog at boot-time: May 12 04:28:30 galileo kernel: ps tried to do a shared writeable mapping I don't know what causes this message, or if it is important. There were a few other inconveniences (as opposed to the above bugs): 1) The timezone setup is severely altered. I *liked* being in the Canada/Mountain timezone. Now my choices are SystemV/MST7MDT (correct, but not very pretty :) and America/Edmonton (and I absolutely *refuse* to have any reference to Edmonton in my setup -- I'm from Calgary, and we just don't get along with our northern neighbours :) 2) the 'console' terminfo entry is missing. I notice there is a replacement for it called 'linux'. The conXXxYY entries are also gone. All of this can be dealt with easily enough, but it was a bit of a pain to have to notice it the hard way. Also, /etc/termcap wasn't cleaned up, yet I assume it's not being used anymore, since it doesn't show up in the new base package. [Will there be any more orphaned files laying around after a 1.1 upgrade?] 3) it was a little awkward to merge in the old passwd and group files with the new one (I noticed some discussion on this already). Also, there are a number of new users which seem questionable in value (qmail*, amanda, www-data, postgres, gnats, and proxy[listed twice at uids=13 and 36]) -- shouldn't most of these be added by their respective packages, rather than included in the base? Anyway, overall, a very good job. Now, I'll start to upgrade things piece by piece. Stay tuned for more progress reports :) I just hope that the new sendmail has makemap and SMARTHOST fixed... BTW, what's being done about the a.out libs? Will they be evolving, or are they already at their final stage before extinction? Stupid Netscape still requires them... -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. - Thomas Jefferson
Re: New Upgrade notes for 1.1 beta testing
Dale Scheetz said: If you don't want to move to a higher level kernel, then you don't want to upgrade modules, image, or source. You may not want to upgrade sysklogd although I had no trouble with it. I didn't install the image or source packages. I did install modules and sysklogd, and so far, I haven't seen any problems. Should I be expecting some? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Re: Must pppd be run by root?
Richard Kettlewell said: The diald package removes all the hassle of starting and shutting down network connections over a transient link, incidentally - you might like to investuigate that. But does it handle dynamic IP address assignment nicely? Previous diald packages didn't, and I don't know if they even can. It's really quite annoying to start up ftp, have to kill it once the link comes up, and then start it again. Instead, I just created a group 'ppp', and did: chgrp ppp /usr/sbin/pppd chmod 2750 /usr/sbin/pppd chgrp -R ppp /etc/ppp chmod -R o-rwx /etc/ppp So, users in group 'ppp' can fire up the ppp link. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] May the Great Camel of Paradise bestow upon you and yours a dropping. - (?)
Re: upgrading from 0.93R6 to 1.1 beta
Does anyone know if the broken SMARTHOST in debian's sendmail has been fixed in the 1.1 release? Or will I have to recompile it like for 8.6.12-8 in the 0.93R6 release? -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulders of giants. - Isaac Newton
Re: upgrading from 0.93R6 to 1.1 beta
Ian Jackson said: The set of instructions that I'm recommending involve using dselect. They go like this: 1. Install the most recent a.out dpkg version from the upgrades directory on the FTP site. You probably want at least 1.1.5. To install it you just type `dpkg --install dpkg-1.1.5.deb' or whatever. I assume you mean the dpkg in unstable/binary/base, since I couldn't find any upgrades directory. BTW, is there an ELF version of dpkg? I only saw an a.out version. 2. Type `dselect' and go through Access/Update/Select/Install/Remove in order. Can dftp be used instead? I'd hate to have to download the whole bloody 1.1 hierarchy across my 14.4 modem... Are there any necessary preconditions which need to be met before upgrading from 0.93R6 to new libc, gcc, etc from the unstable (1.1) directory? I assume I'll need a kernel with both ELF and a.out capability, but I understand there are a *lot* of interdependencies with the new ELF libraries, etc. Also, is it necessary to upgrade the whole system to ELF, or can libc and such be upgraded while retaining the ability to run a.out stuff? It would be nice to upgrade the base system, and still be able to run the old a.out X11 and tex stuff. I like to upgrade a piece at a time, so that if something breaks, I'll have a good idea where the broken bit is. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Why memorise anything that you can look up. - (?)
Re: upgrading from 0.93R6 to 1.1 beta
Ian Jackson said: The set of instructions that I'm recommending involve using dselect. They go like this: 1. Install the most recent a.out dpkg version from the upgrades directory on the FTP site. You probably want at least 1.1.5. To install it you just type `dpkg --install dpkg-1.1.5.deb' or whatever. I assume you mean the dpkg in unstable/binary/base, since I couldn't find any upgrades directory. BTW, is there an ELF version of dpkg? I only saw an a.out version. 2. Type `dselect' and go through Access/Update/Select/Install/Remove in order. Can dftp be used instead? I'd hate to have to download the whole bloody 1.1 hierarchy across my 14.4 modem... Are there any necessary preconditions which need to be met before upgrading from 0.93R6 to new libc, gcc, etc from the unstable (1.1) directory? I assume I'll need a kernel with both ELF and a.out capability, but I understand there are a *lot* of interdependencies with the new ELF libraries, etc. Also, is it necessary to upgrade the whole system to ELF, or can libc and such be upgraded while retaining the ability to run a.out stuff? It would be nice to upgrade the base system, and still be able to run the old a.out X11 and tex stuff. I like to upgrade a piece at a time, so that if something breaks, I'll have a good idea where the broken bit is. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Why memorise anything that you can look up. - (?)
Re: smail 3.1.29.1-22 append_header=... problem
Lars Wirzenius said: Don't do that. Mail bombing is worse than junk mail. But it's not a bomb. You're just helping the spammer along by showing him a bunch of examples of other people's junk mail :) You're providing them a service, and should charge for it :) -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Animals have these advantages over man: they never hear the clock strike, they die without any idea of death, they have no theologians to instruct them, their last moments are not disturbed by unwelcome and unpleasant ceremonies, their funerals cost them nothing, and no one starts lawsuits over their wills. - Voltaire
Re: smail 3.1.29.1-22 append_header=... problem
Gerry Jensen said: What if the spammer faked his email address. You could be bombing a innocent person. Ah! True enough. Guess it's best to just fire off a single warning to the supposed offender, their postmaster, and the postmaster of their upstream site (if applicable). -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 5 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail ] [ (we have a sometimes sporadic connection to the internet) ] Given the choice between the experience of pain and nothing, I would choose pain. - William Faulkner
