confused about gcc-4.3 version in my system

2009-03-18 Thread shaul Karl

dpkg (dpkg -l gcc-4.3) reports that 4.3.3-3 is installed.
The latest entry in /var/log/apt/term reports 4:4.3.3-2 was set up.
Which version do I have?
To add to my confusion, I seem to remember that the head of
/usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/changelog.Debian.gz pointed to
4.3.3-3 before the mentioned entry in var/log/apt/term.
How can it be?


  


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confused about gcc-4.3 version in my system

2009-03-17 Thread shaul Karl

dpkg (dpkg -l gcc-4.3) reports that 4.3.3-3 is installed.
The latest entry in /var/log/apt/term reports 4:4.3.3-2 were set up.
To add to my confusion, I seem to remember that the head of 
/usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/changelog.Debian.gz pointed to 4.3.3-3 before the 
mentioned entry in var/log/apt/term.
How can it be?


  


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/etc/pam.d/*: include vs @include

2008-04-02 Thread shaul Karl
  As far as I can tell, the documentation mention
`include' while the actual configuration files use
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Does include and @include interchangeable? Does the
additional @ character documented somewhere?


  

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Re: problem bringing up eth0

2005-05-07 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 05:57:39PM -0700, germ germ wrote:
 I am running 2.2.20 and I have installed the driver
 for my NIC but am unable to pull an IP.
 
 I configured /etc/network/interfaces as:
 iface eth0 inet dhcp
 iface lo inet loopback
 auto eth0 lo
 
 'dmsg|grep eth0' shows what NIC and driver are install
 and it shows the MAC address.
 
 'ifup -a' returns an error of SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or
 resource busy.
 
 'ifconfig -a' is lacking an inet line with IP, mask
 and bcast.
 
 Any tips so I can pull an IP?


  Perhaps you should configure it manually, as opposed to using dhcp?


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adduser: what is the difference between --disabled-password and --disabled-login

2005-05-06 Thread Shaul Karl
  adduser(8) states that 

With the --disabled-login option, the account will be created but
will be disabled until a password is set. The --disabled-password
option will not set a password, but login are still possible for
example through SSH RSA keys.

I wonder what is the difference? Alternatively, how adduser accomplish 
that? The relevant source lines seem to be:

} elsif ($arg eq --disabled-password) {
$ask_passwd = 0;
$disabled_login = 0;
} elsif ($arg eq --disabled-login) {
$ask_passwd = 0;
$disabled_login = 1;
}

if ($ask_passwd) {
systemcall('/usr/bin/passwd', $new_name);
} else {
if(!$disabled_login) {
systemcall('/usr/sbin/usermod', '-p', '*', $new_name);
}
}


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Fork, session leader and printing to stdout

2004-11-22 Thread Shaul Karl
  What will happen when a daemon process with no controlling terminal
tries to print to its stdout?
  More specifically, consider the following pseudo code:

int main(void)
{
  pid_t pid;

  /* Assume that at this point stdin, stdout and stderr are open
   * because the process was created by the shell.
   */
  if( (pid = fork())  0 )
return FORK_FAILED;
  else {/* Child Process - Continue Execution */
fclose(stdin);
fclose(stderr);
setsid();   /* become session leader */
chdir(/); /* change working directory */
umask(0);   /* clear the file mode creation mask */

printf(No controlling terminal. What will happen here?)

return OK;
   } else {
/* Parent Process - Exit  Return Control */
 exit(0);
}


  No, this is no homework. Just trying to get a complete answer,
hopefully with a bit of wider overview, without falling to some corner
case when I am trying to get the answer by myself.


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Is there a problem with the Debian mirror on mirrors.kernel.org?

2004-11-18 Thread Shaul Karl
  I have two machines running
 
dselect update

On one of them, /etc/apt/sources.list points to mirrors.kernel.org while
on the other, /etc/apt/sources.list points to http.us.debian.org.

  The point is that in the last 2 or 3 days, the one using 
mirrors.kernel.org doesn't seem to reflect the changes that
http.us.debian.org shows. This didn't use to be like that before. I
haven't made any changes to the way the machines are configured. Both
machines run mostly testing. There is a transparent proxy in the route
of the machine that updates through mirrors.kernel.org.

  Are there other seeing that?

  In the past, disk space problems have caused such a result on a local
mirror. mirrors.kernel.org home page states that they have dropped some
of their non Debian archives at the beginning of the month due to lack
of disk space.


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Re: lilo and mbr

2004-11-16 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 11:34:14AM -0800, Punit Ahluwalia wrote:
 I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.7, and successfully booted with the new
 kernel once. 
 However, I had to compile the kernel again, to include some additional
 support. I cannot
 boot after compiling and installing the kernel the second time. I 
 received a message
 during the configuration that mbr.b was missing. I don't see it in 
 /boot. On booting,
 numbers start rolling on the screen as soon as BIOS transfers the 
 control. I suspect I
 have damaged the mbr. Any ideas?
 


  You might want to boot with other means, such as floppy or cd. I don't
have the details for what to do afterwards but basically you need to
mount your Linux partitions, chroot to it and run lilo. If I am right
then you can have the missing details either by searching net or that
someone else will help you further.


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Re: NFS permissions question

2004-11-16 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Nov 16, 2004 at 02:01:02PM -0500, Christian Convey wrote:
 My understanding of NFS permissions is that for any file appearing on 
 an NFS share, the username/uid and groupname/gid mappings should 
 (ideally) be identical on both the NFS client and the NFS server.
 
 So consider my home situation: I'm running two computers, each with 
 local security files.
 
 I have four users: alvin, benny, charles, and david.
 I have several groups: users and chefs and busboys.
 
 I want to define an NFS share that alvin and benny can use. My 
 *expectation* at the time I'm setting this up is that any files 
 appearing on those shares will have a group-owner of chefs.
 
 So I go through, and ensure that alvin and benny each have the same 
 uid on both computers. I go through and ensure that chefs has the 
 same gid on both computers.
 
 Is there a good way for me to ensure that alvin doesn't create, on the 
 shares, a file owned by the busboys group?
 


  I believe that the only way for alvin to create those files is by
pretending he has the busboys permission. If there is no way he can have
those permissions without NFS on any of the machines then he shouldn't
be able to create those files while NFS is running. Or so I think.
  As far as I know, permissions is a weak point for NFS.


 (The reason I don't want this to happen is that I've taken no steps to 
 ensure that both computers have the same groupid for the busboys 
 group. I don't want the resulting permissions confusion to ensue.)
 


  As far as I know, this is not recommended. Since permissions is a weak
point of NFS, the recommended way to go is to have exactly the same id/gid
on any participating machine.


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Re: dselect not respecting holds ?

2004-11-07 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 11:47:24AM -0800, James Kirk wrote:
 Does anyone else (who still uses dselect) find that
 dselect does not respect holds ?  A couple of packages
 (tetex-bin, gramofile) I've installed have
 recommends/suggests (texi2html, mctools-lite, cddb)
 that don't interest me.  I marked them hold in the
 dependecies conflict resolution window that popped up
 when I first selected tetex-bin and gramofile.
 
 However, everytime I use dselect, I am presented with
 these same recommends/suggests.  
 
 ---
 dselect-recursive package listing mark:+/=/- ...
 help:?
 EIOM Pri Section  Package  Description
  *** Opt tex  tetex-binteTeX binary files 
  
  *** Xtr soundgramofileTransfer sound from...
   =* Opt soundcddb CD DataBase support...
   =* Opt soundmctools-lite A CD player and
 audio...
   =* Opt text texi2htmlConvert Texinfo
 files...
 ---
 
 I am finding it wearisome to have to remove the
 install tag and hit Q everytime I install/uninstall
 something else.
 


  I didn't use dselect for a long time. Are you sure you can't instruct
dselect to install only the new versions of the packages you are 
interested in? Wasn't there an option in the screen you have shown to
step through every package and remove the mark for install for the 
packages you are not interested in? Wasn't there some global options
that you haven't mentioned? have you looked at the help menus (? if I
remember correctly)?
I believe dselect does remember your hold mark. The `=' character from
above shows that. Have you tried the `V', (or is it `v'?) to get a more
verbal display?


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Re: Grub won't timeout

2004-10-08 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 12:00:38AM -0600, Jules Dubois wrote:
 
 (I would have sword GRUB started numbering at 1, not 0, but perhaps I'm
 mistaken.


  I believe you are wrong. It starts at 0. This should be documented.
Please check the documentation to see who is right.


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Re: strange disk corruption

2004-10-07 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 07:57:05AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Whether or not this is related to debian is not clear, but it's possible.
 
 I've currently set fsck to run pretty much on every other boot.
 
 And just about every time it runs , it informs me that it fixed file
 system errors and reboots the system.
 


  Are you shutting down the system properly? I mean, do you use the
shutdown command or one of its derivative? I hope this isn't too dumb.
After all, you could be totally new to the system.


 
 So this problem has a history.  I had previously been seeing
 corruption in the /dev directory and only the /dev directory.
 Duplicate file names, files which could not be deleted, etc...  The
 only way to fix was to reboot with a rescue disk and wipe the /dev
 directory and start over.  Unfortunately I had to do this several
 times.
 


  I had such a behavior too a long time ago. In my case this was with a
SCSI disks. I do not know why the problem went away. It could be a 
kernel issue, and I used several kernel versions since then. Maybe the
steps that I took, which are similar to what you have done, managed to
make the problem go away. 


 
 1.  the /dev directory seems to be somewhat dynamic, could there be a
 debian start-up script which is/was somehow corrupting the /dev
 directory ?


  2.4 had a dynamic device manager. As far as I know it is now obsolete,
and Debian never used it by default. What kernel are you using?


 
 2.  Do I have bad blocks on the disk ?  And how would I check this?
 Again, I've seen no other evidence whatsoever of flaky disk
 behavior ?


  There is a badblocks utility. I not sure if this is the right name.
Should be close. I believe the modern disks tries to fix those problems
in a transparent manner.


 
 3.  Could this be a bug in fsck ?  Why doesn't fsck actually tell me
 what the errors are !!  It just says fixed them - rebooting.
 isn't this a Bad Thing (TM) ?
 


  This is the default behavior when fsck finds errors in the root fs. I
haven't tried to change that. I guess that there is a way to do it.


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Re: Bootloader for Sarge

2004-09-18 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 07:33:16PM -0700, Matthew Jackson wrote:
 I have no floppy drive
 


  There is probably a way to boot a CD in a similar manner.
  You also might want to explore the following GRUB configuration:

title XP
root  (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader   +1
boot

Note that I haven't read the article you were referring to and I hardly
have experience with dual boot configuration.


 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Matthew Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 4:01 PM
 Subject: Re: Bootloader for Sarge
 
 
 On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 01:39:23PM -0700, Matthew Jackson wrote:
 I just downloaded the weekly build for Sarge and burnt the first iso.
 The install goes great but when asked to install GRUB, I decide not
 to install to the MBR so it asks me where to install it to. The
 reason is I have XP on one hard disk and Linux on the other hard disk.
 the linux hard disk comes up as 'hdc'.
 I tell the debian installer to install GRUB into /dev/hdc1 meaning the
 /boot partition. I want to use the NTLDR so it does not mess with
 windows MBR. I then have installed bootpart onto my xp drive and added
 to boot.ini the 250mb (/boot) linux drive as read here:
 http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm In bootpart my /boot is number
 2.
 
 So is it the debiban installer not putting it where I want or is it
 bootpart not finding it?
 
 Any help? Hope I was clear with everything.
 
 
 
  Since GRUB has another naming scheme for the drives, I am not sure if
 you can ask the Debian installer to put it on hdc.
  If no one comes with a better answer, I would create a boot floppy
 with GRUB on it, and then try the following steps:
 1. Boot into the floppy, and use the manual method in order to try and
   boot debian. This should teach you the commands that GRUB needs to
   boot debian.
 2. Try to make the NTLDR use that floppy.
 


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Re: Running from XTerm Crashes X

2004-09-18 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 10:50:20PM -0700, Terry wrote:
 Hi.
 
 I am running the current Testing and am using WindowMaker as my window 
 manager.
 
 For some time now (a year?) trying to run an X program from the command 
 line in an XTerm often causes the X server to unceremoniously crash and 
 cycle to the login screen and it happens to many but not all. Because I 
 don't often run X programs from the command line it has been tolerable.
 
 Any of these programs when run from a user-created WindowMaker menu 
 seems to run flawlessly. In addition, text-mode programs seem to run 
 fine from the XTerm. I haven't seen the common thread, however I haven't 
 spent a great deal of time trying to metaphorically tear it apart.
 
 A brief, but by no means exhaustive, list:
 
 Runs from Windowmaker: ALL
 Runs from command line:mozilla, gimp2, gnomesword2, xchat
 Crashes from command line: dillo, alsaplayer, acroread, xmms
 
 Please reply to the list. I am subscribed but not to the above address.
 


  Does ~/.xsession-errors have something more?


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Re: Bootloader for Sarge

2004-09-17 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 01:39:23PM -0700, Matthew Jackson wrote:
 I just downloaded the weekly build for Sarge and burnt the first iso.
 The install goes great but when asked to install GRUB, I decide not
 to install to the MBR so it asks me where to install it to. The
 reason is I have XP on one hard disk and Linux on the other hard disk.
 the linux hard disk comes up as 'hdc'.
 I tell the debian installer to install GRUB into /dev/hdc1 meaning the
 /boot partition. I want to use the NTLDR so it does not mess with
 windows MBR. I then have installed bootpart onto my xp drive and added
 to boot.ini the 250mb (/boot) linux drive as read here:
 http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm In bootpart my /boot is number
 2.
 
 So is it the debiban installer not putting it where I want or is it
 bootpart not finding it?
 
 Any help? Hope I was clear with everything.
 


  Since GRUB has another naming scheme for the drives, I am not sure if
you can ask the Debian installer to put it on hdc.
  If no one comes with a better answer, I would create a boot floppy
with GRUB on it, and then try the following steps:
1. Boot into the floppy, and use the manual method in order to try and
   boot debian. This should teach you the commands that GRUB needs to
   boot debian.
2. Try to make the NTLDR use that floppy.


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Re: GRUB issues

2004-09-13 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 12:58:52AM -0400, c0ldfusi0n wrote:
 Hey all.
 
 I recently made an update of apt followed by an upgrade and rebooted. 
 GRUB then gave me this error:
 
 GRUB loading stage1.5...
 GRUB loading please wait...
 Error 15
 
 Now as far as i know, the error code 15 stands for File not found. I 
 tried booting with the grub bootdisk and do:
 root (hd0,0)
 kernel (hd0,0)/boot/2.4.25-eb-cfbox


  Are you sure you shouldn't use something like,

root(hd0,0)
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.4.25
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.25 root=/dev/hda1 ro

In particular, note that:
1. I haven't mentioned (hd0,0) for the kernel command
2. The kernel gets arguments.
3. I have an initrd.


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Re: strange

2004-08-20 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:05:47AM -0700, Kris wrote:
 I have been very successfully running debian from a cd for quite some time.
 I use kernel 2.4.18-586tsc.  For some strange reason when I upgrade to
 kernel 2.4.20 I can no longer boot from cd.  It appears the secondary loader
 is not being emulated back to the cd but rather looks for a floppy disk to
 continue the boot.  I use Lilo and the cd gets to LI.. and if I place
 the floppy in the floppy drive that I used to create my bootable cd the
 system will continue to boot but I want it to boot entirely from the cd and
 have nothing to do with the floppy.  Again this process works fine with the
 2.4.18 kernel so it is not in the process as I have recompiled my kernel
 many times and the 2.4.18 always boots.  Any help would be great.  Thanks
 Kris


  Are you using Debian's kernel-package in order to compile and install
the kernel?
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Re: Kernel updates with apt-get?

2004-08-20 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 01:13:58PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
 Scott Mohnkern([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
  hmmm. I've never tried apt-get search before
  
  and it didn't work..
 
 He meant apt-cache search.  
 
 I was goint to tell you that you could use apropos search, to find what
 man page name uses search, but it doesn't come up with apt-cache for
 some reason.  Humm
 


  Why should it come with apropos search? To the best of my knowledge,
apropos looks for Unix commands, that is the first token on a Unix
command line. With apt-cache, search is a command for apt-cache but not
for Unix. 
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Re: Adding new hardware to existing system

2004-08-09 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 10:43:35AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am new to debian and looking for some help.  I have been practicing with 
 debian installs also adding new hardware to existing systems.  I tried 
 adding a new nic and a harddrive to a system.  I could not get either to 
 work.  When I take the beta 4 sarge install disk and run the install it 
 detects both pieces and they work, but if the unit was built with the same 
 cd and then add the hardware it does not work.  What steps should be taken 
 to add a new piece of hardware like a nic card and or hard drive for it to 
 be detected.  I used a fedora system and it detected it just fine.  When i 
 installed the hard drive I did a fdisk /dev/hdc and it did not work said 
 no device  Any help would be appreciated.
 


  Let me see if I got it right.
You have a Debian system. You then install the new hardware. Next You 
try to take the beta 4 sarge install disk and run the install and it
detects both pieces and they work. But when you boot to your existing
installation both pieces are not recognized. Is that correct?
  Have you checked the boot messages carefully? Are you sure the new HD
is not mentioned there? Which kernel are you using? Is it compiled by
hand or a stocked kernel? Which Debian distribution are you using?
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Re: virtual consoles unresponsive

2004-06-23 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 10:26:27AM -0700, Carl D. Blake wrote:
 On Wed, 2004-06-23 at 08:48, Carl D. Blake wrote:
  I've lost the ability to switch virtual consoles on my Woody system. 
  One of the sysadmins logged in as the backup user through the kdm
  desktop and when he logged out the monitor went dark.  Now we can't
  switch to a virtual console using Ctrl-Alt-Fn, nor can we switch to the
  kdm desktop with Ctrl-Alt-F7.  I've seen something like this happen on
  other linux systems before and my only solution was to reboot.  I hate
  to do that for something so stupid.  Is there some way to restore this
  functionality with rebooting the system?
  
  
 I've done some more investigation.  It appears that something has
 happened to the video system.  I can press Ctrl-Alt-F1 and then type in
 the username and password and when I check from an SSH connection I can
 see that I have successfully logged in on tty1.  But I can't see
 anything on the console screen.  I then pressed Ctrl-Alt-F7 and then
 pressed Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to restart the X server.  When I did that the
 monitor's LED light went green for a moment as if it were about to
 display some video, but then it went orange again indicating that there
 was no video.  Again I have seen this behavior before where the video
 system is somehow munged.  Does anyone know how to fix it without
 rebooting?  This is a server being used by other people and I really
 hate to take it down.


  If you can log in, try to issue the command `reset' (without the
quotes), even if you can't see what you type. Hopefully this will set
the terminal to a sane state. You might also want to look for utilities
which set the video card and or the keyboard to a sane state. 
Unfortunately I don't remember how exactly to locate them. You might
want to start with google, and/or svgalib.
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have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two
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Re: Success! 386sx40 16meg ram

2004-06-06 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 01:49:44AM +1000, Trungie*! wrote:
 Hey guys,
 
 I just wanted to share my success with debian. I just finish putting it on a
 386sx 40mhz with 16 meg ram and a 200 meg hard drive.
 
 I cut the processes down to about 13 (3 which are running cause im logged in
 and running top)
 
  11:40:11 up  2:55,  1 user,  load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00
 16 processes: 15 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
 CPU states:   0.9% user,   0.5% system,   0.0% nice,  98.6% idle
 Mem: 13548K total,12584K used,  964K free,  764K buffers
 Swap:31212K total,0K used,31212K free, 7820K cached
 
 It's not that crazy, but i want to go crazier! oh well..
 



  What are you running on this machine? Are the performance adequate?

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Re: which sarge iso's do I need to install kde desktop?

2004-06-04 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 08:59:53PM -0400, Ignatz Sol wrote:
 I've been hunting around for this information (or any list of what is
 in each iso) but cannot find it.  I would like to install kde from
 iso's and have the right ones around for some friends' installs that
 are coming up.  Can anyone clue me into which cd's I need?  Or better
 yet, refer me to a list of packages organized by iso?
 


  I am not sure there are such iso's/cd's available at this time. You
might want to try asking on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or search, and
perhaps ask, through kde home page. Actually, distributors of cd's for
Debian current archive probably have such cd's. You might try finding
such a distributer by looking on the Debian site for cd's distributors.
Be warned that those cd's are rather expensive.
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Re: moving apt's cache

2004-06-04 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 09:50:07AM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
 Currently, apt's cache is in /usr/var/cache/apt.  I would like to move
 that back to /var/cache/apt, thanks to new disk space.
 
 I recall some problems with this when I originally moved it, I think
 because some other files had pointers to the location.  That was quite
 awhile ago.  Does anybody know if it is safe to make the switch simply
 by editing 
 Dir {
   Cache /usr/var/cache/apt;
 };
 in apt.conf and mv'ing the files?
 
 By problems I mean that apt starts downloading all the debs again,
 seemingly not recognizing that it has them.
 


  Beside looking at the documentation you might start with only copying
the files to the new location, as opposed to moving them. Hopefully this
will give you a backup for your repository.
  I hope it helps.
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Re: kernel panic

2004-05-25 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 05:54:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 So what you are saying is that what I did is fine?  So why do I get this
 kernel panic error???


  If the new kernel has built in, as opposed to modules, for everything
that is required to boot then I don't know what to say. 
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Re: kernel panic

2004-05-24 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 08:59:21AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 You are correct, the 2.6.5 is the new one.
 I did not use any flags I just did a make-kpkg kernel_image and a dpkg -i
 I noticed that the new boot loader menu items didn't have the initrd
 lines, is that required.  I didn't think you really needed to use initrd?
 


  In general, depending on the kernel configuration, you can do without
an initrd. However since the configuration of the new kernel doesn't 
differ much from the old one, it could be that you must have an initrd
because essential components are compiled as modules. Another option is
that for your hardware the difference in the configuration of the old 
and new kernels is important.
  The new boot loader menu items didn't have the initrd lines because it
identified the new kernel as not requiring an initrd. Which is correct
since you didn't make-kpkg --initrd.

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Re: DHCP slow renewal, actually times out but mysteriously still gets an IP

2004-05-22 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 10:26:43AM -0400, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
 Steve Allison wrote:
 On Sat, 22 May 2004 00:20:08 +0200, in linux.debian.user you wrote:
 
 
 Stalks wrote:
 
 I have a small network with 6 public IP addresses. The debian server 
 runs a DHCP server. I've tried
 with the 'apt-get install dhcp' and am now using 'apt-get install 
 dhcp3-server'.
 
 When my XP SP1a machine (PC4800 Deluxe with onboard 3COM Gigabit 
 Ethernet) attempts to get an IP via
 DHCP, windows actually times out. *but* it *does* get an IP.
 
 
 By default, if a DHCP attempt times out, the client will normally
 use the last known good address it was given.
 
 -Roberto Sanchez
 
 
 Does WindowsXP hold onto the last known IP even with a reboot? I
 havent a clue about the internal workings of the DHCP protocol.
 Looking at the logs,
 
 I don't know about XP.  But, Debian stores its DHCP leases in a
 file.  When I have shut all my machines down and brought up only
 one or two clients, with no DHCP server on the network, the clients
 pickup their previous addresses even after the reboot.
 
 -Roberto Sanchez


  If you are using a

default-lease-time 0;

in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf then increase it to see if the problem will go
away. Otherwise I haven't a clue.

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update-grub and kopt_x_y_z.

2004-05-11 Thread Shaul Karl
  According to /boot/grub/menu.lst,
  
## If you want special options for specifiv kernels use kopt_x_y_z
## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.

What am I doing wrong with

# kopt_2_6_3=/dev/sdb1 ro console=tty0 console=ttyS1,9600n8

? It seems to be ignored and only take the kopt line.
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Resier-FS and nfs.

2004-03-19 Thread Shaul Karl
  2.6.4's CONFIG_REISERFS_FS says that

Additional patches are needed for NFS and quotas, please see
http://www.namesys.com/ for links.

I couldn't find those links. Perhaps I didn't search throughly. In 
addition, a quick googling suggests that there are/were issues with the
triplet {nfs, lvm, journaling fs}.

  Any comments? Do the other journaling fs better then reiser when nfs,
lvm and quotas support are the _main criteria_ for choosing the fs?

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Re: sarge installer ver. 03/10/2004

2004-03-16 Thread Shaul Karl
  I didn't follow the whole thread, so I hope the following is
meaningful. I also believe I had a similar problem and got help on
debian-boot. 
  In my case the reason that the kernel installation, and, more
precisely, mkinitrd failed is that there is/was a bug with etc/fstab in
the partitioner. What I did is the following:
  1. Immediately before the installation of base I executed a shell. 
 This option is at the bottom of the expert version. I don't know
 whether the regular (linux) version has it.
  2. Within the shell, the command
 cat target/etc/fstab
 failed. So one has to issue
 /usr/lib/partconf/mkfstab
  3. Exit the shell and continue with the installation of the boot
 system.

  Thank to Petter Reinholdtsen from
http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/debian-boot-200403/msg01591.html 
and to anyone working on the d-i.
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Re: Can dselect display get shown on a serial console?

2004-03-16 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 05:12:30PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote:
 * Shaul Karl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])[20040315 13:44]:
  2. Actually, my setup is more complicated. I ssh from machine A to
 machine B. On machine B I run screen. In one window of screen I run
 minicom, which connect to machine C. And on minicom display I get 
 the terminal on which I run dselect. What do I need to do to get
 proper display of dselect?
 
 Have you tried setting TERM to screen?
 


  Only after you suggested that. Indeed
  
export TERM=screen 

seems to fix the problem.
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Can dselect display get shown on a serial console?

2004-03-15 Thread Shaul Karl
1. I am trying to run dselect on a serial console. Yet it seems that
   `only ascii' screens like the main menu (the one with the possible
   actions to choose from) and the screen where one can actually see
   the installation process (that is the screen that is shown after
   selecting I from the main menu) gets displayed properly. Some other
   screens, like the unfulfilled dependencies screens are sometimes
   cluttered with other characters. In particular, the space character
   is replaced by something else. Is this a matter of correctly setting
   the terminal and if so what do I need to do?
2. Actually, my setup is more complicated. I ssh from machine A to
   machine B. On machine B I run screen. In one window of screen I run
   minicom, which connect to machine C. And on minicom display I get 
   the terminal on which I run dselect. What do I need to do to get
   proper display of dselect?
   It should be noted that debconf has a proper display on the terminal
   that was obtained by minicom. For example, I get blue background
   and nice windows.
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Re: chkrootkit detects hidden processes in mozilla-firefox and xmms

2004-03-02 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 01:37:32PM -0500, Rick Luddy wrote:
 I'm not entirely sure whether this is normal behavior, a symptom of possible
 badness, or simple user error.  I'm a bit worried it might mean my system
 has been compromised.  Any help or explanation would be greatly appreciated.
 
 
 When I run chkrootkit (0.43-1), I get nothing unusual other than the
 lines:
 
 Checking `lkm'... You have 4 process hidden for readdir command
 You have 4 process hidden for ps command
 Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
 
 When I investigate further by running chkproc -v -v I get:
 
 PID  4118: not in readdir output
 PID  4118: not in ps output
 CWD  4118: /home/rick
 EXE  4118: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
 PID  4120: not in readdir output
 PID  4120: not in ps output
 CWD  4120: /home/rick
 EXE  4120: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
 PID  4128: not in readdir output
 PID  4128: not in ps output
 CWD  4128: /home/rick
 EXE  4128: /usr/bin/xmms
 PID  4129: not in readdir output
 PID  4129: not in ps output
 CWD  4129: /home/rick
 EXE  4129: /usr/bin/xmms
 You have 4 process hidden for readdir command
 You have 4 process hidden for ps command
 
 I'm using xmms 1.2.10-1, mozilla-firefox 0.8-3, and chkrootkit 0.43-1 ,
 all gotten from ftp.us.debian.org through apt-get.  If I exit firefox and
 xmms, chkrootkit doesn't have a problem any longer, so I don't think it's
 another program pretending to have a false name.


  You might be interested in http://bugs.debian.org/222179. I wonder if
there is a process with a pid of {4125,4126,4127} that have tasks with a
pid of 4128 and 4129.
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Re: SCSI kernel panics

2004-02-26 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Feb 26, 2004 at 12:19:52PM +1100, Campbell McLeay wrote:
 
 I am not really sure who to mail regarding this error.


  You might want to report a bug, including the kernel panic exact text,
to the kernel package you are running. Probably kernel-image-Something.

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Re: SSH: does it require portmapper and what hostname is it looking for?

2004-02-20 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:48:55AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
 
 which I seem to remember, from a previous abortive attempt to set up
 plip, was the way to go, but no luck. I also tried putting in the IP
 addresses from the router; I could then ping one of them but not telnet
 to it.
 


  If you are trying to ssh 10.0.0.1 from 10.0.0.2 you might try the
following line in /etc/hosts.allow of 10.0.0.1:

sshd: 10.0.0.2

  Is there a firewall on 10.0.0.1?
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Re: SSH: does it require portmapper and what hostname is it looking for?

2004-02-20 Thread Shaul Karl
  I am confused. Can you post a simple ASCII draw of your network?
Does the firewall contain log rules? Which firewall is it?
 
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Does dpkg -l refer only to installed, as opposed to available, packages?

2004-02-13 Thread Shaul Karl
Is it a bug that 

dpkg -p kernel-source-2.6.2

shows information about kernel-source-2.6.2 while

dpkg -l kernel-source-2.6.2

claims the Version is none and the Description is (no description
available)? It looks like dpkg -l refers only to packages that are
installed, which is not the way I understand man dpkg.

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Re: Root Password recovery

2004-02-03 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 03:00:05PM +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
 Hello
 
 Quartenoud Francois ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Hi, I have change the root password on a Debian 3.0. I make a mistake
  during the typing, I cannot retrieve the password. I try to reboot 
  with typing linux single on Lilo, but the system ask the root 
  password. I try to type linux init=/bin/sh on lilo without success.
 
 What did not work? Did you maybe forget that, if you use linux
 init=/bin/sh, your root partition is mounted read-only? Try
 
 linux init=/bin/sh
 mount / -o remount,rw
 passwd
 reboot
 


  It could be that the OP uses an initrd. As far as I know, initrd
stands in the way of init=/bin/sh.

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Re: Using VLANs on Debian

2004-02-03 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:30:57PM +0100, Nico De Ranter wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to get VLANs to work on a Debian box. I've installed
 the vlan package and compiled vlan support into the kernel. Everything
 seems to work fine when I configure the interfaces manualy. However I 
 can't figure out how to make sure the interfaces will come up automaticaly
 at boot time. The vlan package installs /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/vlan
 but there is no information on how it is used.
 
 Any ideas anyone?
 
 Thanks in advance
 


  I believe ifup should run those scripts automatically. Try man ifup.
Perhaps it needs customizations? Or may be /etc/network/interfaces?

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Re: Compiling Kernel Problems xconfig

2004-01-23 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 03:36:23PM +, James Hosken wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/linux$  make xconfig
 make[1]: `scripts/fixdep' is up to date.
 *
 * Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the
 * QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR
 * environment variable is set to the correct location.
 *
 make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/.tmp_qtcheck] Error 1
 make: *** [xconfig] Error 2
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/linux$
 


  /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz from testing has some remarks
about it. For example, 

  and make xconfig also requires either tkX.X-dev for 2.4.X kernels, or
  libqt3-mt-dev and g++ = 3.0 for the new 2.6 kenel versions

. You might want to look at this file on your machine.

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Re: serial terminal and reboot troubleshooting with new kernel

2004-01-10 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 05:35:46PM -0800, Facundo Perez wrote:
 
 On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 08:45:49PM -0800, truck loser wrote:
  Recently I installed woody with the 2.2 kenel. When I upgraded to the
  2.4 kernel I was left with too nerve racking problems. First, my 
  serial terminal no longer prints out the startup and shutdown 
  messages. Also, no iptables logging is showing up on the terminal
  (but is on monitor).Second, I cannot reboot. Computer shuts down,
  says Rebooting... then I just get a blank screen.Anyone have any
  ideas?
 
 
 Are you using the kernel command line, perhaps via the boot loader,
 in order to tell the kernel that the main console is on a serial line?
 You might want to check the LDP's Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO.
 
 
 I use the lilo boot loader and added the following lines:
 serial=0,115200n8
 append=console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8 (added what's in bold)
 
 This used to work with the 2.2 kernel
 


  Can you see it in the logs for the kernel boot command? 
I would try 9600 instead of 115200, as per the
Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO. I haven't looked at it lately, is it now
also suggest 115200?
  Perhaps you haven't compiled the kernel properly for a serial console?
I do believe you should verify what you were doing in a step by step
manner with the Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO. You probably forgot
something which no one have noticed because every one assume it it
obvious for someone to skip it.

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Re: serial terminal and reboot troubleshooting with new kernel

2004-01-09 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 08:45:49PM -0800, truck loser wrote:
 Recently I installed woody with the 2.2 kenel. When I upgraded to the
 2.4 kernel I was left with too nerve racking problems. First, my 
 serial terminal no longer prints out the startup and shutdown 
 messages.  Also, no iptables logging is showing up on the terminal
 (but is on monitor).Second, I cannot reboot.  Computer shuts down,
 says Rebooting... then I just get a blank screen.Anyone have any
 ideas?


  Are you using the kernel command line, perhaps via the boot loader,
in order to tell the kernel that the main console is on a serial line?
  You might want to check the LDP's Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO.

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Re: SCSI card ?

2004-01-09 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 07:35:01PM -0500, Andrew Vallon wrote:
 Has anybody installed and got to work an Adaptec SCSI model 29160 card 
 with Debian kernel_2.4.18?
 The card says it will work under 'Linux' however...
 I need an ultra wide card to work with an Sony AIT drive that I have.
 


  Aren't there suitable settings in the kernel configuration file?
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Re: Setting system-wide ulimits (esp. # of open files)

2004-01-03 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 08:12:42PM +0100, GCS wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 08:04:02PM +0100, Holger Rauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Any other ideas on what else I could try in order to increase the #
  of open file descriptors to 32000 for all users and why the approach with
  editing /etc/security/limits.conf didn't work (and what I could do to
  get it to do what I want :-) )?
  Maybe put the relevant lines into /etc/profile? Someone really know a
 better solution, this one is ugly IMHO.
 


  There might be a switch to the kernel, perhaps by using /proc, which 
let you do that. Or so I believe. I assume that if the kernel enforces a
lower limit then you wouldn't be able to change it without instructing
the kernel otherwise. However I am not sure. Have you searched google?
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Re: modem external

2003-12-30 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 01:25:06AM -0200, Bruno Vane wrote:
 my linux is detecting the modem, and the modem dials to the provider, but
 cant establish the connection.
 

 Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: ATZ^M^M
 Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: OK
 Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]:  -- got it
 Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: send (ATDT1500^M)
 Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: expect (CONNECT)
 Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: ^M
 Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore chat[340]: ATDT1500^M^M
 Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore chat[340]: CONNECT
 Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore chat[340]:  -- got it


  Shouldn't the username and password be supplied here? I used to
configure this in /etc/chatscripts/.
You might also try the PPP-HOWTO and /usr/share/doc/ppp/*. It looks
to me a configuration problem on your part.

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Re: Installing module for KNE20 NIC

2003-12-26 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Dec 25, 2003 at 09:49:17PM -0500, Russ Schneider wrote:
 Which module would I use for a KNE20 NIC?  I see plenty of 3com and Intel 
 modules, but...
 


  For an ISA one I would try the ne module. The LDP's Ethernet-HOWTO is
a great source of information.

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Re: debootstrap

2003-12-26 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 11:50:28AM -0500, Ian Brandt wrote:
 
 Does anyone know of another location from where I could download this 
 utility?  Also, is there a particular version that I should use?
 


  You might try any Debian mirror, for example
http://http.us.debian.org/pool/main/d/debootstrap. However there seems
to me many different debootstrap packages. I don't know which of them is
suited for you.

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How that dependency turned up?

2003-12-24 Thread Shaul Karl
  I am trying to upgrade apt-show-versions. I have installed 0.04 and 
am going to have 0.05. What bothers me is that the dependencies for
apt-show-versions are 

perl | perl-5.005 | perl-5.004, apt.

Yet dselect tells me that apt-show-versions also depends on
libapt-pkg-perl. Shouldn't that be listed in the dependencies from
above? In case that matters, I have perl{,-modules,-base} 5.8.0-18 and
going to install 5.8.2-2.

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Re: XF4.3 Repository

2003-12-23 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 05:38:30PM -, Martin J Hooper wrote:
 Does anyone have a source for X4.3?
 
 I have debs for ATI drivers but they are not compatible with 4.2 
 which is what I am running.  Cheers!


  You might want to look at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200312/msg6.html.
 Quoting DWN piece about it:

Public X Strike Force Repositories. Branden Robinson announced the
availability of anonymous, read-only, public access to the X Strike
Force Subversion repositories via the Subversion protocol. Write
access is restricted to people with SSH access to the host. Branches
include XFree86 4.1.0, 4.2.1 and 4.3.0.
  
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Re: Assigning IRQ to ISA device

2003-12-23 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 05:40:12PM +0100, David Baron wrote:
 Device, a fax-modem, is correctly detected, sits on com3/tty02
 
 This modem also has its own IRQ. How do I get that set so I can use it?


  If it is correctly detected then it could be that somehow the right
IRQ is being used. You can tell the system what IRQ you want to use with
setserial. Note that you should set the IRQ by other means, like a
jumper on the card. Setserial only use is to report what IRQ the system
should assume for the modem. It is not meant to actually set the IRQ.

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Re: using old isa bus ethernet cards

2003-12-22 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 08:13:35AM -0500, Debian User wrote:
 i have two isa ethernet cards that i have that i wish to use in a 
 test  machine here at work. i think one is an intel chip and the 
 other ... who knows.
 
 one chip number is LG82000 ... the other is S82595FX L7093628. I 
 searched Debian for a previous post and even googled but have not 
 found any information on which modules to load when using antiques.
 
 
 can anyone help? is there a module that has drivers supporting these 
 chips?

  
  You might want to read the LDP's Ethernet HOWTO. It has a section 
about `Identifying an Unknown Card'. You might want to start by assuming
that the S82595 is regarded else where as i82595 and is, indeed, an 
Intel chip. Check the HOWTO for that. 

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Suggestions for a route daemon?

2003-12-15 Thread Shaul Karl
  Any suggestions for a route daemon? It will be used in a simple
network with minimal routing options. However I do want to learn about
the problem and the available solutions by implementing it, which is why 
I might consider a heavy tool which is not needed for this case.
  A short search I made showed the following 2 debs:
1. mrt.
2. bird.
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rootstrap gets stuck

2003-12-14 Thread Shaul Karl
  I am trying to build a root_fs with rootstrap. Yet rootstrap gets
stuck after 

  Mounted devfs on /dev

and nothing seems to happen. All the processes seems to be sleeping.
Pinging the tap0 interface works but not the uml side of the connection.
No network traffic seems to take place, which is why I believe this is
not a firewall issue.

  Any hints or URLs? What should occur after the mounting of the devfs?

  The rootstrap command was run from a screen session. This should make
no difference, doesn't it?

::
rootstrap.conf
::
[global]
fstype=ext2
initialsize=256
freespace=10
modules=network mkfs mount debian uml umount
PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
[network]
hostname=rootstrap
interface=eth0
transport=daemon
uml=192.168.1.22
netmask=255.255.255.252
control=/var/run/uml-utilities/uml_switch.ctl
data=/var/run/uml-utilities/uml_switch.data
gateway=192.168.1.21
nameserver=192.114.47.4
[debian]
dist=woody
mirror=http://http.us.debian.org/debian
exclude=pcmcia-cs setserial 
purge=base-config console-common console-tools console-data console-tools-libs
minstall=ssh
[uml]
install_modules=yes
::
rootstrapLog
::
Checking for the skas3 patch in the host...not found
Checking for /proc/mm...not found
Linux version 2.4.22-5um ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian 
prerel
ease)) #1 Fri Sep 19 21:36:03 EDT 2003
On node 0 totalpages: 8192
zone(0): 8192 pages.
zone(1): 0 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: eth0=daemon,,,/var/run/uml-utilities/uml_switch.ctl con0=fd
:0,fd:1 con=pty root=/dev/root rootflags=/ rootfstype=hostfs ubd1=root_fs init=/
usr/lib/rootstrap/builder devfs=mount rsworkdir=/tmp
Calibrating delay loop... 33.28 BogoMIPS
Memory: 28532k available
Dentry cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
Inode cache hash table entries: 2048 (order: 2, 16384 bytes)
Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
Buffer cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
Checking for host processor cmov support...No
Checking for host processor xmm support...No
Checking that ptrace can change system call numbers...OK
Checking that host ptys support output SIGIO...Yes
Checking that host ptys support SIGIO on close...No, enabling workaround
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Initializing RT netlink socket
Starting kswapd
VFS: Disk quotas vdquot_6.5.1
Journalled Block Device driver loaded
devfs: v1.12c (20020818) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
devfs: boot_options: 0x1
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize
loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
Initializing Cryptographic API
Initializing software serial port version 1
Netdevice 0 : daemon backend (uml_switch version 3) - unix:/var/run/uml-utilitie
s/uml_switch.ctl
mconsole (version 2) initialized on /home/shaul/.uml/K2Xg3o/mconsole
Partition check:
 ubda: unknown partition table
 ubdb: unknown partition table
Initializing stdio console driver
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 2048 bind 2048)
Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
VFS: Mounted root (hostfs filesystem) readonly.
Mounted devfs on /dev


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Re: Q:No modconf in 2.6?

2003-12-07 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 07:53:36PM +0100, Mariano Kamp wrote:
 Hi,
 
   I just installed 2.6 and to my surprise it came up nicely on first try. When 
 trying to install modules though, modconf didn't show any? Is there another 
 tool to be used.
 


  I don't know about the specific tools. However for it was enough to
copy some specific module configuration files from /etc/modutils/ to
/etc/modprobe.d and then to run update-modules.


   I've also seen this bug:
 
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=192232
 
   Would that mean that there is no other way than modprobe to manage modules 
 at the moment?
 


  You might want to read 
/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/HOWTO-Linux-2.6-Woody.gz. I believe both
insmod and modprobe work although it could be that their semantics have
been changed.

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Re: Howto get SCSI to work

2003-12-05 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 06:49:43PM +0100, Joris Huizer wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I want to get my LiteOn 48x24x48x CD writer to work -


  Do you have

CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR_VENDOR=y

compiled as modules or in the kernel? It could be that the 2nd option
is not needed in your case, I can't tell.
  You might also try to google for the error messages you quoted.

Hope this helps.

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Re: OK, I want to join the PGP World, but need help.

2003-11-29 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 02:27:41AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
 
 $ gpg --listkeys pecondon
 


  Only --list-keys works here. The gpg version is 1.2.3.


 *SELF SIGN YOUR KEY*.


  What is the importance of this? Why it is not done automatically?
  
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Re: Possible LKM Trojan , Need Help

2003-11-29 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 05:49:31AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
 chkrootkit reported possible LKM Trojan.  4 processes hidden for ps command.
 


  Are you aware to, for example, the section titled `Running chkrootkit'
of http://www.wiggy.net/debian/developer-securing?

  I don't know the answers to your questions.

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Re: Source list help

2003-11-08 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 12:03:38PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all:
 
 I was wondering where to get source to add to mu source.list in ordre to
 get packages from unstable.
 


deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free

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testing: Can't su under ssh or screen. su attempts are not logged.

2003-10-29 Thread Shaul Karl
Package: login
Version: 1:4.0.3-12
Severity: normal

  With both login 1:4.0.3-11 and 1:4.0.3-12 I can't su from a screen or
ssh session. I believe my pam settings are reasonable. I can su from a
terminal.
  In addition, neither failed nor successful su attempts are logged in
/var/log/syslog even though I have 

SYSLOG_SU_ENAB  yes

in /etc/login.defs. This seems to be going on for quite some time now.

  Any hints?

-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux calanit 2.6.0-test7.custom486.1 #1 Sun Oct 19 16:53:05 IST 2003 i486
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

Versions of packages login depends on:
ii  libc6 2.3.2-7GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libpam-modules0.76-14Pluggable Authentication Modules f
ii  libpam-runtime0.76-14Runtime support for the PAM librar
ii  libpam0g  0.76-14Pluggable Authentication Modules l

-- no debconf information
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Re: Initrd modules

2003-10-17 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:22:22AM +0200, Ron Rademaker wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I've created a cramsfs initrd image and while booting the kernel says
 it's loaded okay. I've set the modules to all in mkinitrd.conf and just
 to be sure I've added the following modules to the modules file:
 scsi_mod, sd_mod and pdc-ultra (what seems to be the correct driver for
 my Promise 20378 RAID controller... It recognised my controller when
 using modprobe). I removed my hd's from their ordinary IDE connectors
 and attached them to the RAID controller (master has complete debian
 installation, slave is unpartitioned) and rebooted. However the kernel
 doesn't seem to modprobe the modules before trying to mount the root
 filesystem... And therefore panics :( Any ideas on how to fix this?
 
 Thank,
 
 Ron
 
 PS. I'm not on the list so could you please cc any replies to me?


  You might try adding these modules to /etc/modules, and perhaps to
have related files in /etc/modprobe.d (assuming this is a 2.6 kernel).
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Re: modutils problem

2003-10-17 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 08:01:09PM +0200, LeVA wrote:
 Hello!
 
 I have noticed that when I load a module the /etc/modutils/module_name 
 files, which conatins the post-install lines, doesn't run.
 So when I load my emu10k1 for example, which has a /etc/modutils/emu10k1 
 file, which contains this line:
 post-install emu10k1 /usr/local/etc/emu-script
 doesn't run.
 
 Why? Is there some biig variable which has to be set, to execute those 
 post-install lines, or do I have to install a package or what?
 


  To the best of my knowledge, update-modules writes those post-install
lines in /etc/modules.conf. Are those lines written there? Have you run
update-modules?
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Re: : Re: pppd daemon dies

2003-09-28 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 01:59:25PM -0800, J Y wrote:
 After adding 'noauth'  to /etc/ppp/options kppp still fails with this
 message: 
  
 Sep 27 13:00:46 deblnx pppd[1153]: The remote system is required to
 authenticate itself 
 Sep 27 13:00:46 deblnx pppd[1153]: but I couldn't find any suitable
 secret (password) for it to use to do so. 
 Sep 27 13:00:46 deblnx pppd[1153]: (None of the available passwords
 would let it use an IP address.) 
  


  It could be that you need to set up /etc/ppp/pap-secrets. There
is sometimes another file, something about chap, that I don't use.
Perhaps you need it too. Have you tried looking in /usr/share/doc/ppp ? 
  You mentioned other distros. Perhaps you can compare
/etc/ppp/pap-secrets on those distros to the one in your Debian
installation.
  I don't know either what does 'pid of ppd: (###)' signifies. However 
it could be the wvdial way of saying that pppd was launched.

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Re: error message after kernel upgrade

2003-09-27 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 09:43:49AM +0100, steve downes wrote:
 In the process of setting up a new machine I've upraded the kernel
 from 2.2 to 2.4.22-1-686 using apt-get upgrade
 
 I am getting:-
 
 VFS Cannot open root device 303 or 03:03
 Please append a correct root= boot option
 Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03
 
 
 I can boot from a floppy using root=/dev/hda3  this is the option in
 lilo.conf ( yes I have run lilo)
 
 Cannot find any ref to 303 or 03:03 in the docs.
 
 Any pointers please.
 


  Your lilo.conf file does not mentions initrd?
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Re: pppd daemon dies

2003-09-27 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 01:03:30AM -0800, J Y wrote:
  
 I  went to kde/kppp site and read there that commenting out the 
 'auth' line in /etc/ppp/otions could be a fix but it wasn't. So I copied
 the /etc/ppp/options file from my SuSE distro but that didn't work either.
   

 
  Do you still get auth when you issue

pon highstream.net dryrun

If so, perhaps other files under /etc/ppp have auth commented in?

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Re: MS mail bombs

2003-09-26 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 10:10:42PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
 
 ..someone on this list mentioned some other program to check 
 popservers before fetchmail'ing?
 


  mailfilter?
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Re: Installation menu not recognizing SCSI disks

2003-09-14 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 11:09:29PM +0200, Erik J.C. Laan wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to install Woody on an Compaq Prosignia VS. This system has a
 NCR53C710 SCSI controller with 2 disks (1G and 4,5G) connected to it.
 There's also a CDROM on the SCSI chain. Both disks and the CDrom work
 fine under DOS (with the appropriate drivers).
 When starting the install I do so from a small DOS (6.22) partition on
 the 1G disk starting with loadlin from a batch-file made from boot.bat
 (from \install of the first Woody CD).
 
 I'm booting the kernel from kernel-image-2.4.16-386_2.4.16-1. Using 
 another Linux machine I changed the installation ramdisk to contain the
 following modules from this kernel-image package:
 
 /lib/modules/2.4.16-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/sim710.o
   (for the SCSI controller).
 /lib/modules/2.4.16-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/scsi_mod.o
   (SCSI midlevel drivers right?)
 /lib/modules/2.4.16-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/sd_mod.o
   (for SCSI disk support).
 /lib/modules/2.4.16-386/kernel/drivers/net/pcnet32.o
   (for the NIC on the motherboard)
 
 After the Configuring the Keyboard step I switch to the second console
 and do:
 insmod scsi_mod
 insmod sim710 sim710=addr:0x8000 irq:11
 ?nsmod sd_mod
 and verify with dmesg the SCSI disks are recognized by the kernel. I can 
 see the disks, make partitions on them etc.
 If I return to the Installation menu to initialize and activate swap and 
 to initialize the root partition, it still says that there are no disks. 
 I suggests the Preload essential modules from floppy step. I tried 
 this but it does not recognize the floppy either, that's why I started 
 putting together my own installation ram-disk in the first place.
 I also tried restarting the installation system to get it to recognize 
 the disks and partitions.
 
 So my question is: Which command or action can I execute to make the 
 installation system recognize the disks/partitions? Or do I need more 
 modules?
 


  A way to bypass the problem might be to replace the kernel of the
installation media with another one. And have the required drivers
compiled into that other kernel.
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Re: insmod tun fails. modprobe tun succeeds.

2003-09-13 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 01:33:43 +0200 (CEST), Roberto Sanchez wrote:

 No bug, just the behavior of the program.  You probably want to stick to
 modprobe anyway.
  
  
  Turns out that with the version of insmod that is for kernels 2.5.48
and above, one should either specify the path or use modprobe. The
reference for this is at http://bugs.debian.org/209702.

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Re: Using parted without a floppy disk?

2003-09-08 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 12:25:13AM -0700, Josh Rehman wrote:
 
 A bootable CD with parted on it would do the trick. However, I'm not too 
 sure how to make one with parted on it.


  Take a look at parted info pages. It mentions how to get parted on a
2nd diskette. And here you are: boot an installation CD as if you are
going to install, then mount the other CD with parted and attempt to 
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Re: Debian sunk by Windows format and install.

2003-09-08 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 10:08:35PM -0400, William Bradley wrote:
 Got virus attacked on the Windows section of a dual boot machine that runs 
 Debian (latest Woody) and Windows 98. Windows got into such a state between 
 the virus and me messing with it that I ended up reformatting the C: drive 
 and reinstalling Windows. In so doing, access to Debian has been cut off and 
 the unit boots straight into Windows. Is there a way that I can get back to 
 dual booting that machine. I'd hate to have to reinstall Debian and go 
 through getting KDE 3.0 again.
 


  Boot from some Linux rescue media like Debian rescue disk, mount the
root fs and run lilo. That assumed you used lilo. I believe that it is a
similar procedure for grub.
  You might also try to use loadlin to go straight from MS-Windows into
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Re: insmod tun fails. modprobe tun succeeds.

2003-09-07 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:33:43AM +0200, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
 
 From the modprobe man page:
 
 Modprobe  will  automatically  load all base modules needed in a module
 stack, as described by the dependency file modules.dep. 
 
 Basically, modprobe automatically resolves module dependencies based on the 
 current modules.dep. 


$ grep tun /lib/modules/2.6.0-test2.custom586.1/modules.dep
/lib/modules/2.6.0-test2.custom586.1/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko:
$

  I am still not convinced there is no bug.
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Solved?: Only lilo was able to boot a 2.6-test2 + initrd.

2003-09-07 Thread Shaul Karl
 On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:48:40 -0700 (PDT), James Horey wrote: 
 
 --- Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:58:50 -0700 (PDT), James
  Horey wrote:
 
   mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
   mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
   mount: you must specify the filesystem type
   pivot_root: No such file or directory
   /sbin/init: 196: cannot open dev/console: No such
  file
   Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!
  
 
 
I also get this with loadlin although I am using a
  custom image, and
  both of us have different hardware and root fs.
  Strangely enough, lilo
  boots the same settings fine. I have reported about
  it on
 
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200308/msg04106.html.
 
 I've essentially stopped trying to get this kernel
 working. Instead I compiled a 2.6 kernel that doesn't
 use initrd and it works fine.


  Using initrd-tools 0.1.52 fixed the problem for me.
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insmod tun fails. modprobe tun succeeds.

2003-09-06 Thread Shaul Karl
# insmod tun
Can't open 'tun': No such file or directory
# lsmod |grep tun
# modprobe tun
# lsmod |grep tun
tun 7776  0

  And /dev/net/tun do exists. 

  Am I doing something wrong or is it a bug?

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Re: strace pppd: open(/dev/ttyS1, O_RDWR unfinished ...

2003-09-03 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 06:49:15AM +0200, Andrea Tasso wrote:
 hi all,
 pppd does not connect any more (to another pc with null modem cable), it used to 
 work perfectly.
 the command
 
 pppd -detach debug crtscts 192.168.6.1:192.168.6.2 lock /dev/ttyS1 38400
 
  gives no output, and finally exits
 
 if I strace it
 
 the last string is
 open(/dev/ttyS1, O_RDWR unfinished ...
 
 my libc version is 2.3.2-3
 and ppp 2.4.1.uus-5
 


  What is written in the log file? Are you trying to run it as root?
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Re: apt-get ace-of-penguins

2003-09-02 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 11:13:12PM -0400, William Bradley wrote:
 The above package is listed amongst the Debian packages. Can someone tell me 
 the url to Debian in order to apt-get this package.
 


  If apt-get is working for you and, in particular, 
/etc/apt/sources.list has proper entries you don't need the URL. In
case you want to install it, just run 

apt-get install ace-of-penguins

Do note that, in general, some people recommend using dselect or a
similar newer user interface to Debian package management over running 
apt-get like that.
  You could also manually go to http://packages.debian.org and search
for ace-of-penguins.
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Re: Hard Disk error or SCSI Controler error?

2003-09-02 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 09:24:23AM -0300, Listas wrote:
 What this errors means? A Hard Disk or SCSI Controller problem?
 


  I don't know. Have you tried to test the drive with the utility that
I believe most SCSI controllers have built in? This utility can usually
be run from the controller prompt which is available at the machine
startup. Was the combination of controller and HD working before?
  You might also want to google for any of those messages.

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Re: Kernel 2.6

2003-09-01 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 06:34:21AM +0530, Sridhar M.A. wrote:
 
2. In /etc/modutils, I have an alias for my nic as
  alias eth0 8139too
 


  Roughly speaking, what used to be /etc/modutils for 2.4 is
/etc/modprobe.d for 2.6.
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Re: Tips for serial terminal file transfer?

2003-09-01 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:41:24PM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote:
 
 After this point, you can transfer shar archives (which use uudecode,
 hence the above step), allowing for ASCII mode transfers.
 


  I am missing something. Can't you uuencode every file and transfer it
in the same way?


 
 I'm still looking for a good method for doing file transfers.  I haven't
 used kermit, x/y/zmodem, etc., for about fifteen years, so I'm not sure
 what the options are here.
 
 I'm also wondering if there is other terminal software other than
 minicom I can use, preferably with color support.  minicom seems to do
 only vt100.
 


  What about minicom -c on?
  
$ minicom -h|grep color
  -c, --color=on/off : ANSI style color usage on or off
  
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Re: kernel 2.6 how-to

2003-08-26 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:58:50 -0700 (PDT), James Horey wrote:

 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: /dev2/root2 is not a valid block device
 mount: you must specify the filesystem type
 pivot_root: No such file or directory
 /sbin/init: 196: cannot open dev/console: No such file
 Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!
 


  I also get this with loadlin although I am using a custom image, and
both of us have different hardware and root fs. Strangely enough, lilo
boots the same settings fine. I have reported about it on
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200308/msg04106.html.
I wonder if you have a chance to try booting with lilo?
  I suspect it is a kernel or, less probable, an initrd-tools, problem.


 Here's my grub entry:
 
 root (hd0,1)
 kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-tes2-1-386 root=/dev/hda2
 ro
 initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.0-tes2-1-386
  savedefault
 boot
 
 Finally, here's my /etc/fstab:
 
 /dev/hda2 / ext3 defaults 0 1
 /dev/hda1 /home ext3 data=writeback 0 2
 /dev/hda3 none swap sw 0 0
 proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
 sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0
 /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0
 /dev/cdrom1 /cdrom1 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0
 
 I tried to boot the system with both the sysfs line
 left in and out of fstab and as far as I could tell,
 it made no difference. Thanks for any help!
 


  What is sysfs?


 Please CC me, as I am not subscribed to this list.
 Thanks!
 

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Re: kernel source (file name and location)

2003-08-24 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 01:00:13PM -0700, M.Forbes wrote:
  I need to know what the name and location would be as for the kernel-source in 
 order to get my Ethernet card working. 
 I was getting an error in line 27 that the kernel source was not able to be found. 
 I was able to find that I have to adjust the following line of code:
 
 #ksrc :=/usr/sr/ksrc/RedHat/7.2/linux-2.4.7-10alt-ent
 
 I am currently running the woody 3 distro of Debian with kernel 2.4.18.


  I don't understand where #ksrc is taken from and why you seem to be
using RH related methods for a Debian machine.


 Can someone throw me a clue? (I tried #ksrc :=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.xx but 
 there are no files that are showing in my usr directory or the subdirectories there 
 of )
 


  One way would be to look at http://packages.debian.org/kernel-source*
(the asterisk, '*', is important) along with installing the
kernel-package package and then following
/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz.


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Loadlin fails where lilo succeeds.

2003-08-23 Thread Shaul Karl
  initrd was made while the deb for the self prepared 
kernel-image-2.6.0-test2 package was installed. Lilo boots fine. Yet
when launching loadlin, and activating an identical kernel image and
initrd like the ones that are used with lilo, I get:


[ looks like the expected boot process ]

mknod: when creating special files, major and minor device numbers
   must be specified.
Try `mknod --help' for more information.
Fatal: Module ext3 not found.
mount: fs type ext3 not supported by kernel.
mount: special device /dev2/root2 does not exist
mount: special device /dev2/root2 does not exist
mount: you must specify the file system type
pivot_root: No such file or directory
/sbin/init: 196: cannot open dev/console. No such file
Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!


  Why when booting with lilo the fact that the ext3 module is not there
causes it to continue with ext2 while this is not the case for loadlin?

  What component is mainly responsible: loadlin, mkinitrd or the kernel?

  Both lilo and loadlin can boot with 2.4.21 and an initrd that was made
for that kernel.

  The loadlin version is 1.6c-0.3.
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Re: ppp connection speed

2003-08-20 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 02:54:24PM +0300, Alphonse Ogulla wrote:
 Just configured ppp and established a connection using pon. ifconfig ppp0 
 shows device ppp0 is up and running but with no indication of the negotiated 
 bandwidth. How can I establish the speed in Kbps at which I'm connected?
 


  It *might* be a matter of the modem initializing string. Maybe it is
already reported in the log file? Have you tried some graphical dialing
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kernel-source-2.6.0-test2 and isapnp configuration.

2003-08-19 Thread Shaul Karl
  I can not see the configuration files that are mentioed in
kernel-source-2.6.0-test2/Documentation/pnp.txt. As a result, I can not
configure the isa pnp cards in the way I want them to be. 
  In praticular, should /driver be under the root fs or is it to be 
found in /proc? If it is under /root, what would be an example 
/etc/fstab line to mount it?
  With 2.4.21 I had no problem with /proc/isapnp.
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Re: 'experimental' distro?

2003-08-19 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:42:49PM -0500, DePriest, Jason R. wrote:
 Okay, I give.
 How do I set up my sources.list to find the experimental
 distributions...
 
 deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
 
 does not work...
 


  Quoting /usr/share/doc/develpers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s4.6.4
  
These are the sources.list(5) lines for experimental:
  deb http://ftp.xy.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main
  deb-src http://ftp.xy.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main

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2 pointers to notice before trying 2.6.0-test2 for the first time.

2003-08-17 Thread Shaul Karl
  2 pointers that helped me when trying 2.6.0-test2 for the first time:

1) The 2.6 document drawn up by Dave Jones, 
   http://lwn.net/Articles/39901/.
2) Noticing that 2.6 uses the module-init-tools package.

  I learned about it only when things didn't work. Hopefully others will
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Re: getting dpkg's source code

2003-08-16 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 01:56:41AM -0700, Zhi Wen Huang wrote:
 I am wonder if I can get dpkg's source to install dpkg on RedHat.  I just need
 dpkg to try something small.
 


  I believe you can get the tar ball and the .dsc file from any Debian
mirror under debian/pool/main/d/dpkg. I am not sure if you need the .dsc
at all.
  As for running it on RH, I wonder if this is as simple as you make it
sound. What about all the directories and data base that dpkg uses?
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2.6.0-test2. modules: FATAL: Module sd_mod already in kernel

2003-08-15 Thread Shaul Karl
  Kernel 2.6.0-test2 gives me the following:

Checking all file systems...
SCSI subsystem initialized
fsck.ext2: No such device or address while trying to open /dev/sda1
Possibly non-existent or swap device?
modprobe: FATAL: Module sd_mod already in kernel.

  However as far as I am aware of sd_mod was not loaded explicitly by
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Re: Turn on the service

2003-08-15 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 01:31:41PM -0400, Victory wrote:
 Hello,
 How to install and turn on/off rsh, telnet and ftp server/service for Debian 3.0r1???
 I am new to Debian


  Turning on/off depends on the mechanisms that the service use. In
general, for services that install an init script one can 

/etc/init.d/service start | stop

Another option for those services who uses inetd is to comment in/out
the invocation line or use update-inetd and maybe restart inetd.
  As to how to install, one can run dselect, search for the service,
find the daemons that provide it and install one of them.

  Are you sure you want rsh and telnet? Wouldn't ssh be better?
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Re: Kernel 2.5.69 compilation issue ...

2003-08-15 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:47:33AM -0700, Johannes Graumann wrote:
 Hello,
 
 This is my first attempt on this kernel business, so be kind ... please ...
 I recently downloaded through dselect kernel-source-2.5.69. I followed the 
 procedures from http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.
 
 When saying 'fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.081403 
 --added-modules=pcmcia-cs,alsa-driver --config=menuconfig kernel_image 
 modules_image', I get tho following error:
 
 gcc -Wp,-MD,drivers/ide/.ide-floppy.o.d -D__KERNEL__ -Iinclude -Wall 
 -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -pipe 
 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -falign-functions=0 -falign-jumps=0 
 -falign-loops=0 -Iinclude/asm-i386/mach-default -fomit-frame-pointer -nostdinc 
 -iwithprefix include  -Idrivers/ide  -DKBUILD_BASENAME=ide_floppy 
 -DKBUILD_MODNAME=ide_floppy -c -o drivers/ide/ide-floppy.o drivers/ide/ide-floppy.c
ld -m elf_i386  -r -o drivers/ide/built-in.o drivers/ide/pci/built-in.o 
 drivers/ide/ide-mod.o drivers/ide/ide-disk.o drivers/ide/ide-cd.o 
 drivers/ide/ide-floppy.o drivers/ide/legacy/built-in.o drivers/ide/ppc/built-in.o 
 drivers/ide/arm/built-in.o
 drivers/ide/ide-mod.o(.init.text+0xfb0): In function `ide_probe_for_cmd640x':
 : multiple definition of `ide_probe_for_cmd640x'
 drivers/ide/pci/built-in.o(.init.text+0x1180): first defined here
 drivers/ide/ide-mod.o(.bss+0x57b0): multiple definition of `cmd640_vlb'
 drivers/ide/pci/built-in.o(.bss+0x44): first defined here
 make[3]: *** [drivers/ide/built-in.o] Error 1
 make[2]: *** [drivers/ide] Error 2
 make[1]: *** [drivers] Error 2
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.5.69'
 make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2
 
 Can somebody please give me some insight in what I'm doing wring?
 


  It *could* be that you are doing nothing wrong. Maybe there is a bug,
in which case you might consider trying a newer source like 2.6.0-test2.

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Re: [Woody] boot-floppies package?

2003-08-14 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 08:50:49AM +0200, Sylvain Briole wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 I am currently using Debian Woody and I need to create my own boot/root
 floppies set in order to install it on an other computer.
 I have read the doc provided by :
 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-kernel.en.html#s-custombootdisk
 But I can not find any boot-floppies package!
 
 Where is it?
 


  At /debian/pool/main/b/boot-floppies in your favorite mirror?

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Re: iptables and nat

2003-08-14 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 08:56:36PM +0200, Rudy Gevaert wrote:
 Thanks for replying, but I have some more questions :)
 
 On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 03:51:11AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:06:37PM +0200, Rudy Gevaert wrote:
  
   And when does the addresstanslation take place?  (I'm using SNAT)
   When do I have to put the local address in the rules and when not?
  
The addresstanslation takes place in the PREROUTING chain. You can
  even use the local address for the rules in that chain.
 
 SNAT is done in the POSTROUTING chain, right?
 
 Chain POSTROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
 target prot opt source   destination 
 SNAT   all  --  anywhere anywhereto:157.193.88.23
 


  Considering the fw machine, my understanding is that SNAT is done in 
the most convenient point for the user: 
  1. Outgoing packets gets their address changed only in the POSTROUTING
 chain, and their true address can be used in the rules for that
 chain.
  2. Incoming packets gets their address changed as early as the 
 PREROUTING chain, and their true address can be used in the rules
 for that chain.

  Your chain should work. However I am not a security expert.
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Re: Source Builds

2003-08-14 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 07:43:15AM -0400, Tom Allison wrote:
 Is there a link that describes how to go about building packages from the 
 deb-src files 


  I am not aware to such a link. That of course doesn't mean that there
is not any.


   and how I might identify packages for source build only?


  You might start with the Build fields of the debian/control file.
However those fields are likely to mention only immediate dependencies,
not packages that are dependencies for those that are mentioned. In
addition, there are the build-essential packages that are assumed to be
available. As such, they don't need to be mentioned in the Build fields,
even if they are first level dependencies. Yet I believe that there is
an apt-build utility which target your question. It could be that it
also has a --simulation flag. However I have only heard about
apt-build, never used it myself. It could be that I even don't remember
correctly its name.
  In case you have good network access and you are not tight with disk
space you might look at pbuilder.
  Hand tools for building debs from source is dpkg-buildpackage and
friends. The devscripts automates the dpkg-buildpackage process but
messing with the build dependencies is not in their jurisdiction.


 
 An example might be to change XFree and my Window Manager to compiled 
 packages to take advantage of the chipset graphics instructions.

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Re: iptables and nat

2003-08-14 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:06:37PM +0200, Rudy Gevaert wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm fiddling arround with iptables and I have some problems
 understading how the tables and chains work with SNAT.
 


  The docs under /usr/share/doc/iptables/html about your questions are
not clear enough for my taste. Still, they are basic and one should
probably look at it.


 
 When a packet comes from the Internet with destination one of the
 computers on the local lan, which route does it take?


  My understanding is that it goes through PREROUTING, FORWARD and then
POSTROUTING.


 
 Is it put straight away through the FORWARD chain or does it go
 through the INPUT chain first?  
 


  It is put through the FORWARD chain immediately after it has pass the
PREROUTING chain. In particular, it never goes through the INPUT chain.


 And when does the addresstanslation take place?  (I'm using SNAT)
 When do I have to put the local address in the rules and when not?
 


  The addresstanslation takes place in the PREROUTING chain. You can
even use the local address for the rules in that chain.


 And the other way arround (local lan - internet)?
 


  The POSTROUTING chain. Only packets that are generated by the firewall
machine will go through that machine OUTPUT chain.


 Am I correct when a packet from the local lan wants to go to the
 gateway it goes straight through to the INPUT chain, gets processed
 and goes to the OUTPUT?
 


  You are wrong. The path for the firewall (== gateway ?) machine is
PREROUTING - FORWARD - POSTROUTING.


 And am I correct if I say that when I packet from the internet wants
 to go to the static ip (e.g. apache running on the firewall) it is:
 INPUT; process; OUPUT?
 


  Yes, this is correct.
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/usr/sbin/pppd: bad local IP address 127.0.0.1

2003-08-14 Thread Shaul Karl
Package: ppp
Version: 2.4.1.uus-5

$ /usr/sbin/pppd call provider dryrun
  /usr/sbin/pppd: bad local IP address 127.0.0.1
$

What does that means? It is only obtained for non root, even though
that user is a member of the dip group.

  I tried googled for it but was able to see only non English replies to
similar queries. I believe the following is relevant:

$ cat /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1   localhost
192.168.0.9 calanitGateway
192.168.0.10calanit

# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
# (added automatically by netbase upgrade)

::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
fe00::0 ip6-localnet
ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
ff02::3 ip6-allhosts

$ ypcat hosts
127.0.0.1   localhost loopback rakefet
192.168.0.10   calanit
192.168.0.18   newSitvanit
192.168.0.33   nerhalaylaGateway
129.151.66.214  rakefetGateway
192.168.0.20   sitvanitUML
192.168.0.13   yakintonGateway
192.168.0.14   yakinton
127.0.0.1   localhost loopback rakefet
129.151.66.214  rakefetGateway
127.0.0.1   localhost loopback rakefet
192.168.0.17   newSitvanitGateway
192.168.0.34   nerhalayla
192.168.0.19   sitvanitUMLgateway
192.168.0.37   shoshanaGateway
192.168.0.9calanitGateway
192.168.0.38   shoshana
192.168.0.5sitvanitGateway
192.168.0.6sitvanit
$

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Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux calanit 2.4.21

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iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net - 504 Gateway Timeout

2003-08-14 Thread Shaul Karl
  Can you advise about the following?

$ squidclient -h iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net -p 80 /iptables-tutorial.html
HTTP/1.0 504 Gateway Timeout
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 05:38:09 GMT
Content-Length: 278
Content-Type: text/html
Server: NetCache appliance (NetApp/5.3.1R3D1)

HTML
HEADTITLE504 Gateway Timeout/TITLE/HEAD
BODY
H1Gateway Timeout/H1
H4
The following error occurred:P
A gateway timeout occurred. The server is unreachable. Retry the
request. (GATEWAY_TIMEOUT)
/H4
HR
Please contact the administrator.
/BODY
/HTML
$

  I believe that the command line from above access the site directly,
bypassing squid. Both my ISP help desk and another remote machine can
obtain the page. This is the only site so far for which I fail to go 
to. The site iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net is reachable:

$ ping -c1 iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net
PING frozentux.net (212.19.193.43) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from agressor.xs2office.com (212.19.193.43): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52
time=114 ms

--- frozentux.net ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 114.864/114.864/114.864/0.000 ms
$

  and

$ squidclient -h iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net -p 80 iptables-tutorial.html
HTTP/1.0 500 Server Error
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 06:09:15 GMT
Content-Length: 281
Content-Type: text/html
Server: NetCache appliance (NetApp/5.3.1R3D1)
Connection: keep-alive

HTML
HEADTITLE500 Server Error/TITLE/HEAD
BODY
H1Server Error/H1
H4
The following error occurred:P
The browser is sending an invalid request. Contact your system
administrator. (UNRECOGNIZED_REQUEST)
/H4
HR
Please contact the administrator.
/BODY
/HTML
$

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Re: No modem beep with pon

2003-08-14 Thread Shaul Karl
On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 04:36:22PM +0200, Oliver Fuchs wrote:
 Hi,
 I am using pppd and pon/poff to get internet access on Debian woody.
 What happened is that I hit a key on my keyboard while I was dialing in with
 pon ... and from then on I do not receive any modem beeping like I did
 before.
 Does anybody know the key combination to unsilent (make it noisy again) my
 modem again?
 


  I guess that a better description for beeps would be all kind of
whistles, doesn't it? I would try to inspect the modem initialization
string and explicitly set the controls of the speaker to on. It could be
that your modem use the PC built in speaker. However I don't know what
control characters have to be given in the terminal in order to switch
it on or off. 
  Can you hear the modem when sending faxes or when dialing out with 
other apps like minicom?
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Re: /usr/sbin/pppd: bad local IP address 127.0.0.1

2003-08-14 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:24:31PM +0200, Frederik Ferner wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:01:40 +0300, Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  $ /usr/sbin/pppd call provider dryrun
/usr/sbin/pppd: bad local IP address 127.0.0.1
  
  $ ypcat hosts
  127.0.0.1   localhost loopback rakefet
  ^^^
 I'm not sure but this might cause a few problems. AFAIK it's better to
 change this line to:
 127.0.0.1 localhost loopback
 


  Indeed this was it. Are you aware to other the other problems that the
previous settings might cause? Other then the ppp problem the previous
settings seemed to work fine. Can anyone explain what is the problem 
here?
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make-kpkg + ccache for compiling the kernel?

2003-08-14 Thread Shaul Karl
  Has anyone successfully used ccache and make-kpkg when compiling a
kernel? Naively setting 
MAKEFLAGS=CC\=ccache\ gcc
as per /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz doesn't work for me. It
seems that ccache gets confused and bailing out.
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Re: /usr/sbin/pppd: bad local IP address 127.0.0.1

2003-08-12 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 08:30:25AM +0200, Andreas Janssen wrote:
 Hello
 


  Hi,


 Shaul Karl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  Package: ppp
  Version: 2.4.1.uus-5
  
  $ /usr/sbin/pppd call provider dryrun
/usr/sbin/pppd: bad local IP address 127.0.0.1
  $
  
  What does that means? It is only obtained for non root, even though
  that user is a member of the dip group.
 
 Try to set the noipdefault option in /etc/ppp/peers/provider. See man
 pppd for more information.
 


  It changes nothing. I get the same error message as before.
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Re: Source Builds

2003-08-09 Thread Shaul Karl
On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:44:10PM -0400, Tom Allison wrote:
 David Z Maze wrote:
 Tom Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
 Is there a link that describes how to go about building packages from
 the deb-src files and how I might identify packages for source build
 only?
 
 
 Modify the source as you feel appropriate, add a new entry to the top
 of debian/changelog, and run 'debuild' out of the devscripts package.
 Read documentation on http://www.debian.org/devel/.
 
 
 Maybe I should ask a more primitive question.
 
 What is 'deb-src' for?
 
 I thought it was to provide the source code of a deb package and allow the 
 end user to subsequently build a CPU specific or slightly modified 
 (configuration parameters) .deb file for installation onto their own Debian 
 installation.
 


  That is one reason for deb-src. Others might be to comply with the
license which requires the distributer to let the user have the source,
to help modifications and further development of the software and so on.
Still, if one wants to build a deb one way is to follow what was written
above about the modification of the source. As it is, the debian source
packages usually don't have out of the box facilities to help the end
user build an optimized package for his machine. A user that want to use
the source for this end is welcomed but he will have to know what he is
doing.
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Doesn't MY_ENV=abc printf ${MY_ENV}\n suppose to print abc?

2003-08-02 Thread Shaul Karl
Package: bash
Version: 2.05b-8.1

  According to my understanding of the manual page,

$ MY_ENV=abc printf ${MY_ENV}\n

Should have print abc. But it does not:

$ MY_ENV=abc printf ${MY_ENV}\n

$

What am I missing?


-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux rakefet 2.4.21-3.custom586.1 #1 Fri Aug 1 21:48:39 IDT 200
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

Versions of packages bash depends on:
ii  base-files3.0.8  Debian base system miscella
ii  libc6 2.3.1-16   GNU C Library: Shared libra
ii  libncurses5   5.3.20030510-2 Shared libraries for termin

-- no debconf information

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Re: Doesn't MY_ENV=abc printf ${MY_ENV}\n suppose to print abc?

2003-08-02 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 10:22:19PM +0100, iain d broadfoot wrote:
 * Shaul Karl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  Package: bash
  Version: 2.05b-8.1
  
According to my understanding of the manual page,
  
  $ MY_ENV=abc printf ${MY_ENV}\n
  
  Should have print abc. But it does not:
  
  $ MY_ENV=abc printf ${MY_ENV}\n
  
  $
  
  What am I missing?
 
 an 'export' and a ';', like so:
 
 $ export MY_ENV=abc ; printf ${MY_ENV}\n
 abc
 


  Your proposal has some side effects which might be undesirable. More
specifically, with your proposal MY_ENV will be set until you
explicitly unset it or exit the shell. With what I tried to do, MY_ENV
will only be set for the following command. There will be no need to
explicitly unset it or exit the shell in order for it to disappear
afterwards. In addition, the construct I am trying to use is a well
known construct and the man page says it should work. Is it a bug?

  Can you try on your machine the line that I have asked about and see
if that is working for you? What version of bash are you using?
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