Re: GIMP How is it?
Graham Pople wrote: Hi, I saw the linux journals write-up on gimp, now i would like to ask the question, how does it stack up against commercial or established shareware products? thanks, allan bart If you've got a PC, it's somewhere between version 3 and 4 of the shareware program Paint Shop Pro. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Opinions will vary. IMHO it's an excellent program. The interface and options are more akin to PhotoShop and NOT Paint Shop Pro (eeec). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deity looks AWESOME
ixx (your favorite desease) wrote: it says i do not have some file in err /var/lib/deity/cache/... made my apt-get or something..??? so i can not get it to run It means run dpkg-get I believe. Misleading isn't it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Hamm Dselect
Is it ok to set dselect to use the package files in /debian/hamm/ yet? I was using /debian/dists/unstable before now, and I noticed the other day that my package list went to nothing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Hamm Dselect
Mike Acklin wrote: At 03:20 PM 3/28/98 -0500, you wrote: Is it ok to set dselect to use the package files in /debian/hamm/ yet? I was using /debian/dists/unstable before now, and I noticed the other day that my package list went to nothing. I think that the correct dir is /debian/frozen as hamm went frozen on Thursday and is suppose to go stable on the 20th of April. That is what I have been reading on the list here the last few days. Unfortunately I don't see a /debian/frozen directory on ftp.debian.org. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Deity looks AWESOME
I've been hearing snippets of praise for Deity lately. I just downloaded it to give it a try... WOW. This is REALLY cool stuph. Whoever is responsible, you have my applause. Excellent work! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Hamm Dselect
George Bonser wrote: Try /debian/dists/frozen On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Wintermute wrote: Unfortunately I don't see a /debian/frozen directory on ftp.debian.org. Thankeee kindleee. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Hamm Dselect
George Bonser wrote: Try /debian/dists/frozen On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Wintermute wrote: Unfortunately I don't see a /debian/frozen directory on ftp.debian.org. By the way, I just checked. /debian/dists/frozen is a sym-link to hamm which is a sym-link to ../hamm. So I guess it IS ok to use /debian/hamm after all. :) Thanks all. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deity looks AWESOME
Mike Acklin wrote: What exactly is Deity? When you say stuph, what exactly is that? but thanks for the early review :-) Sorry. As George has said, it's a graphical replacement for dselect with a boat-load of new features. It should make package management a dream. Stuph - is well.. stuff, only cooler. Note the ph. See Also: Phrack, Phun, and Keen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Moonlight Creator and pthreads problem.
I have a Debian libc6 (upgraded from libc5). So let's start with that in mind. I recently picked up the Moonlight Creator package in the Unstable distribution and installed it and it's required components. (using dselect) The problem is that I receive a core dump when I attempt to run it. I traced the problem (I believe) to libpthread libraries in the /lib directory. These are the thread libraries I currently have in /lib: libpthread-0.7.so libpthread.so.0 - libpthread.so.0.6 libpthread.so.0.6 When I set LD_PRELOAD to libpthread-0.7.so Moonlight loads and runs correctly (provided that is I run it from an rxvt/xterm session as Window Maker doesn't execute a shell (thereby giving no environment) to a program). Without this LD_PRELOAD statement the program core dumps. I have not installed libpthreads in dselect so I assume that these libraries are a part of the libc6-dev stuff, else its laying around from the older libc5 installation I had. So: 1. Which libpthread libs should I have? 2. Is it safe to remove libpthread.so.0.6 in lieu of libpthread-0.7.so? I can get Moonlight Creator to run as long as I run it from an rxvt/xterm and set LD_PRELOAD appropriately. There must be some easy solution, yes? I have already tried creating an alias in my .xsession, but since WindowMaker (like most window managers) doesn't give a program a shell upon execution this makes no difference. I've also tried setting LD_PRELOAD from my .xsession.. the most noticeable things were that my rxvt/xterm sessions totally disobeyed their settings in my .Xdefaults file. Most notably Netscape refused to run. Any ideas on what's wrong or what needs to be changed? -- E-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST. Trouble? E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PLEASE, postmaster@debian.org, are you there?
Dr. Andreas Wehler wrote: Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for the answer. Now, that the not-too-little ISP T-Online Now I can be a bit more precise: today there are about 1.8 million users at T-Online, it is the greatest ISP in Europe. is marked in the badmailfrom list, there come 2 questions. 1. What exactly did cause T-Online to find itself on badmailfrom list? No just guesses please. The T-Online Team told me, they would have had a few problems with admins, who applied a faulty patch to sendmail which wrongly assumed, their canonical email address (envelope-sender!) would be inadmissible. In the moment they can't test it for debian.novare.net is not accessible (?). If this is the case, please remove/modify that patch. No, we use qmail on master and there is a badmailfrom file. It's a real file containing hostnames. Oh, so the easiest solution isnt one. Then the 2nd Q comes into the play: : 2. Under which conditions may T-Online recover from there? I hope but doubt somehow, this will be solved by this year? Andreas. Umm.. is anyone elses Prick Detector going off? According to my instruments, the Ego-Needle is off the scale. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Ensoniq Soundscape
Timothy Hospedales wrote: Following the Sound HOWTO, I just built a kernel with soundscape support (2.0.32), and only the MIDI is working. :(. Does anyone else have a Soundscape, and if so how did you fix this? It says this on bootup: Sound initialization started Ensoniq SoundScape at 0x330 irq 9 dma 3 SoundScape (MPU401) at 0x330 irq 9 dma 3 SoundScape: Invalid MSS IRQ11 Sound initialization complete It looks like the IRQ is wrong, but i'm not sure what to put because I noticed the soundscape uses different settings for things between my DOS and Win95/NT. :( Thanks, Timothy. Although I don't have a true Ensoniq Soundscape card, I do have a clone made by the now defunct Reveal. One thing I found out was that to use the Soundscape card under Linux I had to disable it's Sound Blaster compatibility mode under the DOS SSINIT program. On a closer note, you will most likely need to force the card into a non PNP mode and adjust it's settings manually to where you want them to be. (Either that or try the ISAPNP tools for Linux.. ). If your card (as mine does) uses the SSINIT program in DOS mode to set itself up, you can use that to determine where your card is trying to place itself. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Ensoniq Soundscape
Timothy Hospedales wrote: Can I (and if so how), change the settings that it's using now, or do I have to rebuild the kernel each time I want to change them? Also - when you say disable the SB compatability under MSDOS, do you mean changing 'SBENABLE=true' to false in the soundscape.ini and then running the batch file, or are you talking about something elese? I take it I should use the regular settings in the .ini file, and not the ones that it uses when its emmulating a soundblaster? Thanks alot! Timothy. There should be some sort of DOS based initialization program for your SoundScape (mine was called ssinit.exe and is located in my \sndscape directory). By running this program by itself it will allow you to configure the card for use with DOS, and allow the settings on the card to be changed. I would think even PnP cards stay pretty constant, but if you do not wish to switch the card out of PnP mode (if your particular soundcard is PnP) and manually configure its settings, you should look into using the ISAPNP tools for Linux. When looking for the current settings in the .ini file, only trust the sndscape.ini file that is in your WINDOWS directory (if you run the beast), the one that you may find in your \sndscape directory (or whatever directory houses the Sound Scape program files) is usually only used during DOS sessions or first installation as a default template (if at all). Yes, always use the regular settings. Do no compile your kernel with support for anything else but the SoundScape (support for /dev/dsp and /dev/audio is ok to include as well as General Midi support, and the subsidiary drivers). The only problem I ever had using my SoundScape turned out to be that I was attempting to have Linux use the settings for it's SB compatible mode and the driver did not like this, but after turning off the SB emulation, everything was beautiful. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is Perl 5.004.04-3 Package Routine Broken?
Adriano Nagelschmidt Rodrigues wrote: Same problem here. After trying to install it with dpkg, I runned the postinst script manually with the 'configure' parameter. Then I edited the /var/lib/dpkg/status file, in the perl package section changed the line install ok not-configured to install ok installed and deleted the line which read configured version: previous_package_version_here (or something like that) This kludge fooled dpkg into thinking that perl was ok (and I think it really is ok, haven't had any problems) and I could move on to the other packages. My excuse for doing it is that I don't know deb package internals and didn't have the previous libc6 perl pack. anymore. Thanks for the reply. Knew I couldn't be the only one. I surmised that the install was OK as well, however just to be on the safe side I downgraded. I think I'll try the same route you have, thanks for the advice. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Sanyo 20x CDROM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got a Sanyo 20x ide/atapi cdrom drive and my kernel detects it but I can't seem to mount it to /cdrom, what /dev/... file is the sanyo cd linked to? every one I found I tried got the following message: the kernel doesn't recognize ... as a block device Ok, this seems pretty easy. If the kernel recognized it, then the first step would be to find out what device name it places it as. (Where you're at right now.).. First off, is it an IDE/ATAPI CDROM drive? If so look for it under the /dev/hdn files where n is a number from 1-?. Otherwise, if it's a proprietary interface, see if you can find it in the CDROM documentation in the kernel. This should tell you which device it attaches it to (IE: In the case of a SONY CDU31A drive, this results in /dev/cdu31a.. pretty simple.). Ok, I won't be that lazy. Sanyo eh? Here's what I found: Try /dev/sjcd. This is the device that the default Sanyo driver should attach your CDROM to. Hope this helps. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: REDHAT 4.1 SONY CDU-33A
Zula wrote:
I'm using the Debian linux and have that same problem with the sony
cdu31a x2 speed. I'm at the installing OS and device drivers, It
can'r pick prorietary cdrom. I made the device drivers {rawrite2 -f
drv1440.bin -d a:). Is there something i miss? I tried the
cdu31a=0x320,0 lbut still no luck.. any help will be appreciated.
Well first off, you will need to know what I/O base address your CDROM
is set. Usually this can be found by looking at the driver line in
MSDOS (if you still have it), or by looking at the proprietary adapter
card itself. Usually this number increases evenly, so your particular
CDROM might could be anywhere from 0x320-0x360. You may wish to try
number in between until you find one that works.
The ,0 on the line indicates that you wish to use Polled I/O mode
with the CDROM instead of Direct DMA access. To tell the driver to use
DMA, use ,1 instead.
A question. Does your CDU drive hook into a proprietary controller
card? If not what is it attached to?
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Is Perl 5.004.04-3 Package Routine Broken? WAS(Re: Perl 5.004.04-2 causes core dumps...)
Martin Bialasinski wrote: BTW, the version of PERL I'm trying to install is 5.004.04-2. There is a perl 5.004.04-3 at ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/pub/debian/Incoming/DONE/ Maybe it will solve your problems. New problem. When I attempt to install the Perl 5.004.04-3 file, it breaks at the post-installation phase. As such, other updates that require Perl will not configure themselves. I have even fetched the file manually and used dpkg (with most all of the debugging options) and still no luck. I can run the Perl post install script by hand with configure and it runs just fine, but for some reason dpkg and dselect both tell me that it can't configure it because the post install script returned error 123. In the interrim I have obtained the older Bo release of Perl and have installed that instead. Is this a problem with only my machine, or has anyone else experienced this too? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How are .Xdefaults files handled under Debian?
Mark Phillips wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 1997, bleach wrote: Shouldn't it be: xterm*scrollBar:true (on) Maybe. I was copying another file. How did you find out about the correct format? If you want to find the resource listing for ANY X program you can use the tool 'resedit' which comes with a normal X install. Read up on it first though, it's not the most intuitive of programs, but it will enable you to see all of a programs resources, with their full names, and save certain ones to a file of your choice for later inclusion into your .Xdefaults/.Xresources file. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PHP/FI Apache Module
Steve Kostecke wrote: Ref: Hamm (Sun Nov 30 22:00:00 UTC 1997), Apache 1.3b3-3, PHP/FI 2.0b10-5 I'm a bit confused as to how to make Apache use the PHP/FI module. The docs seem to suggest that I must recompile Apache. ...? FWIW I've been able to use php.cgi Even though this is more heresy from Debian Heretic numero uno.. I would recommend grabbing the new version of Apache from their site, and getting the in progress PHP 3.0 for use with it. The installation has been clean up a bit, and the module is now easier to compile for Apache. (Not to mention PHP 3.0 now supports many more databases including Oracle, Sybase, Solid, Adabas D, etc...) BTW, what version of Apache comes with the Hamm dist? I haven't upgraded to it yet (wanting to wait for a little while for sake of paranoia). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Philosophical question
Larry G. Gariepy Jr. wrote: Hi all, I guess this doesn't pertain specifically to Debian, but I have a philosophical question about software upgrades, and I just thought I would take a poll to see what Joe Debian User (or Jane Debian-User) thinks... So I bought a new machine in October, and from the outset I wanted to run Linux on it. After asking a friend what brand to use, he suggested Debian. In fact, we basically downloaded his setup onto my machine. So now that I basically have the system up and running the way I want it (modulo getting the printer pass-through feature working on the ZIP drive), I thought I would ask how often I should look to upgrade things like the kernel and libc libraries and such. I am not shy about trying new things, but once I have put a lot of effort into something and have it running nicely, I tend to be sluggish about rocking the boat, and upgrading to keep up with the times...(when I was a kid, we didn't even HAVE xemacs, we used all those CNTRL commands... :) ) I hope I don't sound heretical: I imagine that a lot of people like Linux for the fact that there is something new to try every week or two. :) (or more often?) But practically, how often do people think it is worth the trouble to upgrade major software components? Every six months? Every year? Thanks in advance for your (humble) opinions :) Larry Gariepy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Disclaimer: The views expressed in my opinions are not necessarily my own. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . There is no correct answer to this question. There are wrong ones however. Installing packages (updates) simply because they're newer is not the right strategy, nor is installing simply on the basis of new features. The steps I normally take go something like : 1. Will it be as secure or more secure than what I am using now? 2. Will it increase performance? 3. Does it expand the feature list of the current software? 4. Is this a major version number update? Using these 4 rules I can usually decide whether or not to upgrade. Normally if question one proves to be false I stop right there. In some cases there really is no question one, and so it becomes a performance and feature issue. Number four is tricky, I've found that the best strategy is to stay away from major version changes. They tend to mark the period for bug testing, and usually most problems and glitches arise here. Going with the previous version in this case tends to be a good thing. Hope that helps somewhat... sorry that I couldn't give you a time frame, but these rules generally help me to do the right thing. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: What I do now?
Dana Epp wrote: Ya... its one of those days, and the subject pretty well sums it up. I forced xlib6g over xlib6, so I could install the Gimp package. I later rebooted, and now I get this everytime I do a startx.. xauth: can't load library 'libXmu.so.6' xinit: can't load library 'libXmu.so.6' Now, this does exist. Its located in /usr/X11R6/lib so I can't figure why it can't load. Anyone know what I should do to fix this.. or atleast further debug it? I don't wanna go throw xlib6 back, cuz now xv, gimp etc work where they didn't want to before. Any help would be much appreciated. This can result from a few things. 1. The library is not in ld.so.conf or ld.so.cache and so the dynamic linker doesn't know it exists. 2. Most libraries have several sym-links pointing to them. In this case, this symlink no longer points at a valid library. To test solution one (as root) type 'ldconfig -v | grep libXmu'. If it comes up, then it IS listed in the ld.so.conf file. Step two. Change to the directory in which the libXmu library is supposed to reside. Now type 'ls -l libXmu*' and check to make sure that the sym-links that show up are indeed pointing to a valid (read 'existing') library (and not off into outer space). If you have verified both of these things, then it may be a problem with the versions of xinit and xauth. They may not be able to handle the new library version, and there may be updated versions of these programs for use with xlib6g. These two program would be found in the 'xbase' package, look for that first. Hope this helps. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Apache web editting
Randy Edwards wrote: What techniques do folks use for editting web pages? I use Netscape's Composer for editting and would like to let a couple of users edit the files under /var/www. I've thought about making /var/www group writeable (right now it's only group read and executable), but I was worried that may introduce a security breach. Right now I have users edit the files and then manually copy them myself, but that's a pain. Any suggestions on what option would be best for this? Sure. Just create a new group called (for-instance) 'webguys', and add those users to it. Then from inside the /var directory type 'chown -R root.webguys www'. If this is not your question then let me get fuzzy on ya. There is no better way to secure a web document heirarchy than to create special directories underneath the root directory owned by the user you wish to have permission to rwx there (make sure you chown the directory to that user or else even though anything that's in there will belong to them, they may not have the ability to add more). I think the basic issue comes down to one of trust. If you can trust a user enough to add him to a general group of Web Jockeys allowed to rwx in the /var/www directory, do so. If not, try the second option. If it is NOT essential for them to store their files there at all, just have them put everything in a 'public-html' directory off of their home directories, and access them in the url with 'http://(yourhost)/~(username)/'. Apache already has a provision for this. Hope this helps. d -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: emacs and .Xdefaults
Kirk Hilliard wrote: Last week I issued a plea for help: I just made a new installation of bo, and emacs no longer seems to read my ~/.Xdefaults file like it used to in rex. And Wintermute [EMAIL PROTECTED] came to the rescue: Try this.. xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults That does the job! Since it only works for the current X session, I added it to my ~/.xsession file and all is fine. Still, I did not have to do this in rex. Is this change a bug or a feature? Actually this is a feature. You may find some helpful files in the /etc/X11 directory that hint at this. Particularly the one called /etc/X11/config. This file tells another configuration file (one that actually sets up the default environment) whether or not to allow things such as User Resources, User Xsession files, and the like to be included at start time, or be ignored. This seems to be a useless feature since even with XDM running, a user can execute the commands necessary to alter their environment after X has started through an XTERM. The only thing it might do is to enforce only a particular type of window manager. The config file should be changed to include the following lines: allow-user-resources allow-user-modmap allow-user-xsession If you are running XDM by default you will need to change to a free virtual terminal (CNTRL-ALT-F1), and stop the XDM process by running '/etc/init.d/xdm stop' as root, and then restart it with '/etc/init.d/xdm start'. Don't forget to change back to the virtual terminal again (CNTRL-ALT-F1) and log out. User resources will then be loaded from .Xdefaults in their home directory, also if one exists, it will attempt to execute a users .xsession and .xmodmap files. The .xsession determines which commands will set up the environment for the session, and what window manager it should start. The .xmodmap file will contain keymapping for that particular session. Hope this helps. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: SCSI Errors and Resetting
William D. Rendahl wrote: Hi, First off: _very_ cool list! Lurking here has been exceedingly helpful. We're running Debian 1.3.1 (bo, kernel 2.0.30) on an Intel Premier PCI II motherboard, with a 90MHz Penti, 32MB, BusLogic BT-948, and Quantum Fireball Drive. Several times a day we get messages on the console describing a SCSI error, the system is momentarily frozen, and then everything is fine . . . Whoa.. deja vu.. this is the exact sort of error messages we recieve here at work... WD-7000 initialization failed... And other assorted error messages. For the most part I think they're harmless (We've never had any problems with our Micropolis SCSI drive..) however, it's truly strange.. and I'm the sort that just doesn't like miscellaneous errors popping up, even if they are harmless. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Get this, Gateway2000's 'wonderful' tech support
Fuzzy wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Allen Burns wrote: Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:53:13 -0700 From: Allen Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote a e-mail to gateway2000's tech support team asking them if Linux was compatible with my Promise Ultra 33 here is an EXACT copy of what was returned: Hello Allen, Thanks for your message. Unfortunatly, Linus has not been tested on any system that Gateway sells and therefore we off no support for that operating system. If the system works in the original operating system that we shipped, then that is what we support. Sorry for the inconvience, Notice the 'Linus' ?? What the h*ll was he somking? Crack? hmms... I had not realized that Linus was an OS. Obviously I need to go back to school ;). sighs -- don't you just love it when the manufacturers technologists know less about thier product then you, the end user, do? Hehe, you said it. Most of these companies out here in digital land, have one core group of techies, and one core group of management type flunkies. The techies create it/design it, and the management sells it. The rest of the cast of motley characters are just stand ins, usually out-sourced by way of temporary employment agencies, IE: They're warm bodies, seeking a paycheck and an easy job. There are companies I know that are SO obsolete in their technical knowledge, it makes you wonder just how they still manage to survive. It scares me. Some of these include MAJOR telecommunications giants. But that's good news. Because as technology advances faster, and faster.. those same companies are in for some SERIOUS turnover of management and they'll be forced to pay BIG bucks to the rest of us who DO know what's going on to save their collective ass. Corporations are beating the proverbial dead horse, pretty soon they're going to be forced to take a BIG leap, instead of the small baby steps they have been taking, and embrace a critical mass of new technology if they want to stay competitive (especially with all of the smaller companies popping up that DO have a clue). Anyways.. sorry I waxed philosophic.. I found it humorous, and, oh so status quo. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Get this, Gateway2000's 'wonderful' tech support
George Bonser wrote: Notice the 'Linus' ?? What the h*ll was he somking? Crack? -- Look, they are operating under very tight margins. They can not go around hiring COMPETANT people or they would soon eat up all of their profits by PAYING them. Ask them why they do not upgrade their offerings to Linux in addition to those low-end operating systems like NT. Tell them that you will buy a system with Windows if they deduct a hundred bucks from the cost to reimburse you for the trouble of having to remove it. Touche! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: My new project (repost)
, and that we REALLY are serious about providing the BEST possible operating system available. But let's not forget Linus's World Domination 101 directive. Applications, applications, applications! Perhaps some of this capitol accrued through commercial tech support could fund development projects to stock Linux with high quality business-ware that could loosen the grip of the Evil Empire on office productivity markets. We all KNOW that if we can get in THAT door, we've got 'em. I think it's nice when a company takes their time to isolate all of your problems and point them out so neatly so that you can work on them. I reproduce the entirety of SCO's nice letter below. It sounds more like a company flailing and moaning in its final throws of death, but I agree with everything you've said. They've tried to step into OUR court now, and by doing so they've made a BIG mistake. The only thing that we really lack in order to impress corporations of the validity of Linux is true-blue commercial technical support. They need to feel comfortable knowing that if something goes wrong they have a contractual agreement which entitles them to immediate level 1 priority support. (I speak from experience.. I'm fighting a slow war with my company to prove to them that Linux is every bit as viable (if not more so) than Solaris, AIX, BSDi, etc, etc, etc.) With a commercial support option, I'd have a very large gun to fight with indeed. -- Wintermute -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
Thomas Gebhardt wrote: Hi, Examples, please? I run a libc6 system, and there are way more packages available than are there on my libc6 (1.3.1) CDROM. What packages aren't available on a libc6 system? There are frequently unresolved dependencies on the ftp mirrors. Some Packages stay in Incoming for a very long time. Here is my current list of unresolved dependencies: running dpkg --pending --configure ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of jadetex: jadetex depends on hyperref; however: Package hyperref is not installed. dpkg: error processing jadetex (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of boot-floppies: boot-floppies depends on libc5-pic; however: Package libc5-pic is not installed. boot-floppies depends on ncurses3.0-pic; however: Package ncurses3.0-pic is not installed. dpkg: error processing boot-floppies (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdeutils: kdeutils depends on kdelibs0g (= 1:Beta1.2-2); however: Version of kdelibs0g on system is 1:Beta2-1. dpkg: error processing kdeutils (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdegraphics: kdegraphics depends on kdelibs0g (= 1:Beta1.2-2); however: Version of kdelibs0g on system is 1:Beta2-1. dpkg: error processing kdegraphics (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kdenetwork: kdenetwork depends on kdelibs0g (= 1:Beta1.2-2); however: Version of kdelibs0g on system is 1:Beta2-1. kdenetwork depends on kdesupport0g (= 1:Beta1.2-2); however: Version of kdesupport0g on system is 1:Beta2-1. dpkg: error processing kdenetwork (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: jadetex boot-floppies kdeutils kdegraphics kdenetwork Ahh finally someone who's seen the same thing. My post wasn't meant as a gripe, just as an announcement that although YES the new release is cool, NO it isn't yet complete and I'm always leary of installing any system (especially a packagized system such as Debian) when the dist is not fully complete (where dependencies are concerned). I imagine I'll wait for a few weeks and see what the braver members find as they upgrade. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wintermute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of which.. there are certain things at work which didn't mesh well with the hamm upgrade.. namely NIS, xcontrib, xdm, and a few others. It seems that even the newer version of NIS is not backwardly compatible with older versions... (why this is I haven't a clue).. Well I have run the older nis (2.20) on several libc6 systems, and all of them are now running the 3.0-2 version. No problems.. what exactly doesn't work? Will state problem clearly.. It's not a libc6 problem. It's a newer version of NIS won't talk to older version of NIS kind of problem. I have already verified this on our machines at work. For some reason, the new NIS clients in the new Debian package don't like talking with the older version on the Master server. If this is simply my probem, fine.. lord knows I didn't try to do extensive troubleshooting when it wouldn't work.. however, since it's only a new version, it should have extended, not replaced the existing framework of NIS, that kind of thing goes against every RFC out there. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: libc5.4.38 available anywhere?
Steve Hsieh wrote: I see that libc5.4.33 is the most recent libc5 debian package in both the stable and unstable trees... 5.4.38 has been out for awhile -- is that available in a debian package anywhere? Steve Better duck.. the response will probably come back to upgrade to libc6... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen
Paul Serice wrote: Wintermute wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tommy Lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a bit of a tangent, how ready is the Hurd to replace the Linux kernel? I am not one of the people testing it. RMS is still running Debian on his laptop :-) What I would hope is that the HURD would support the 86open standard (essentially GNU LIBC with a cleaner substitute for ioctl()), and that a large number of Debian binary packages would run on all 86open platforms, including SCO and so on. We're going to have to get a lot farther with 86open before that happens. As I read more and more about Hurd.. I still can't stop thinking WHY?.. in a couple hundred more revisions.. the Linux kernel may well come close to being a microkernel. What are the clear cut benefits? (Just a few simple lines please.. no dissertations.. I'd as a professor of computer science for that...) There is a grand old discussion archived on KDE's web site at http://www.kde.org/food/linux_is_obsolete.html That's the one with Linus and the guy who created Minix right? I think I read through that old news archive about 2 years ago.. it came included on the Slackware CD release I had at the time. Cute.. funny.. but it didn't really answer any of the questions as to WHY. Is there a speed increase? Is there a security increase? Stability? Power? What? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen
Anand Kumria wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Wintermute wrote: I ask you.. what exactly is a debian... :) Funny you should mention that: I just happened to be going through my magazine and came across Linux Journal circa Dec 1994. On the cover Exclusive Art Exhibit: What Is a Linux and the rest of the cover is populate with the artistic impressions of what children belive a Linux looks like. I wonder what they think a Debian looks like ... Anand. -- You might just have something there hmmm -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Wintermute == Wintermute [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wintermute KDE is the prime example I give offhand. Only 2 days ago Wintermute I attempted to install it, yet their were libraries and Wintermute such that it required that were needed but not there. I Wintermute think it could be another repeat of the xlib6g Wintermute thing.. where the package probably IS there, it's just Wintermute that the dependant package knows it by another name. Actually, it is not as bad as that. Some of the kde packages are at version 1:Beta2-1, tohers have been upgraded to 1:Beta1.2-2 (they should have been moved off master at the same time, but there seems to be a hitch) Because of this, if you try to install a new kde package from Hamm, it depends on a version that is still lying in Incoming. Your timing is rather unfortunate. A little while ago, the kde packages were consistent (all were at 1:Beta2-1), and hopefully, now that Guy is back, they shall soon be consistent again (at 1:Beta1.2-2) I understand this could be frustating, but Hamm *is* labeled unstable at the moment, and the reason is that minor glitches like this do occur. (One could download the packages straight out of incoming, you know). Please understand that it is difficult for us to have any changes made to the unstable distribution without gliches like this occuring; We have 200+ part time volunteers, and real life does tend to intrude. We do try to minimize the glitches. Unstable, despite these glitches, still has many more packages than 1.3.1 R6, and is quite usable (I use it as my primary [and only] machine). manoj I understand. I'm not knocking the dist. It's just that people have had a sort of salesman like attitude of pushing the new dist on me. Originally this thread was about getting a libc5 version of the Gimp .99.15 put into the 1.3.1 dist area for others like myself to easily install rather than having to suffer with .54 .. However, as you can now see, it's gotten blown WAY outta proportion. Thanks for the information. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 07:07:45PM -0500, Wintermute wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 1997 at 01:54:18AM -0500, Wintermute wrote: How about the fact that there are numerous packages that depend on others that AREN'T there...for starters? Such as? Please provide examples. Don't play coy.. try to install KDE from the new distribution... see what it sais about dependencies.. and tell me why it won't install. Aha. You implied that upgrading to hamm from bo would break things, which obviously isn't the case for KDE because KDE isn't in bo at all. I think it is reasonable that new packages are less stable than things that are in bo, but either way it is development software. On top of this, KDE is optional contrib, not part of the main distribution. Perhaps you have a better example? KDE was an example of dependency problems. However, as a proving ground if you like.. attempt to get the NIS version in hamm to work with the NIS available in bo. It looks like a break to me. And for the record Hammish I was stating opinion ...IMHO I don't like the looks of hamm yet to upgrade. I'll WAIT until it's got most of the bugs worked out before I throw myself into the fray. I used to be adventurous.. about 40 Linux upgrades ago (I started out with Slackware long long ago, so you know what I mean by PAIN).. but now I'd rather take the slow and easy route, so as to save me more time spent fixing little problems that may arise in the upgrade process. (You should be happy with this answer as that's what Debian has set out to do.. make it EASY to have an upgradeable/stable Linux system.) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
Ben Gertzfield wrote: I'm the maintainer of GIMP for lDebian. Really, you should upgrade to libc6 if you want to use experimental software like GIMP (it's *really* beta software, which is why we're in no big rush to port it to libc5). No thanks.. I'm running libc6 Debian at work.. and lemme tell ya.. it just doesn't have the package base yet for me to think about using it at home. And FYI, I have successfully compiled Gimp .99.15 under libc5 with no problems. It runs like a dream (as much can be expected from Gimp that is.. ). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
Adam Shand wrote: Anyone notice that the Gimp available for Debian 1.3.1 is the old .54 version? I have downloaded and successfully compile .99.15 on a libc5 system, however if you want to get this version (actually .99.14 last I looked) from Debian you HAVE to install from the hamm area, and that requires upgrading to libc6 (which is a pain at best). Just my $0.02 here. I had this annoyance to and eventually gave in and upgraded to libc6... while I guess other people had problems, I simply followed the instructions from the Mini Howto and had a grand total of one problem, some slight utmp corruption (which is hardly a earth shattering problem). All I did was upgrade the related packages and everything has worked painlessly. If you feel up to it (it really isn't that bad if you are at all familiar with Debian/Linux) just upgrade, and lets have our developers spend time doing cooler things then maintaining backwards compatibility... besidees hopefully 2.0 will be out soon :) Maybe I wasn't as clear as I could have been in my first message. Gimp .99.15 compiles without a quirk on libc5. I see no reason to abandon a perfectly stable system just to upgrade to the libc6 compliant Debian dist, just to run one app. I have already upgraded my boxes at work to the libc6 Debian release.. however, I am not ready to do so at home for the moment. And as things go.. there are plenty of people out here in libc5 land that are just tickled to stay with our existing systems for a while longer (until the Debian package for libc6 finally gets more robust, and bug-tested). Speaking of which.. there are certain things at work which didn't mesh well with the hamm upgrade.. namely NIS, xcontrib, xdm, and a few others. It seems that even the newer version of NIS is not backwardly compatible with older versions... (why this is I haven't a clue).. Anyways.. enough of my bitchin'... just wanted to clear the air. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen
Martin Bialasinski wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: We've been having a logo contest for a long time. It failed to generate a consensus on a logo for the project. It got to the point where people were clamoring for me to hire a commercial artist and get the job done. I went over the candidates in the logo contest, and found one that was probably as good as what I would have gotten after spending money on a commercial artist. The logo I chose is Hmm, Highest Score: Page v12 Debian Logo Draft: eb07 Yes 67% (140) No 32% (68) Bruce's choice: Page v9Debian Logo Draft: si02 Yes 32% (47) No 67% (96) It didn't even make it boyond the ninth page. and I have seen governments with less then 67% yes votes. So 67% is no consens? A while back, there was a 99.9% consens in voting for the communistic partys, I don't think the stake is that high any more. Was the logo choice one of the cases which required the final decision of the project leader? Now that the choice is made and announced, there is no way back any more. Please don't mind me chosing logo eb07 for representing debian on my site. The decision not to emphasise the liunx penguin that much may be politically correct (regarding that it is debian GNU/Linux), but I really like that cute littly guy. You know.. my only concern with the Debian logo..was in the comments from spectators.. Most of the consensus (there's that word again), was that it should be it's OWN motif. I ask you.. what exactly is a debian... :) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian GNU/Linux Logo chosen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tommy Lakofski [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a bit of a tangent, how ready is the Hurd to replace the Linux kernel? I am not one of the people testing it. RMS is still running Debian on his laptop :-) What I would hope is that the HURD would support the 86open standard (essentially GNU LIBC with a cleaner substitute for ioctl()), and that a large number of Debian binary packages would run on all 86open platforms, including SCO and so on. We're going to have to get a lot farther with 86open before that happens. As I read more and more about Hurd.. I still can't stop thinking WHY?.. in a couple hundred more revisions.. the Linux kernel may well come close to being a microkernel. What are the clear cut benefits? (Just a few simple lines please.. no dissertations.. I'd as a professor of computer science for that...) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian packages directories
tony mollica wrote: Hi. For the last 2 days or so, it seems that I am unable to get to the packages directories from the Debian homepage/packages link. Does anyone else have this problem, or is the problem at my end? thanks tony mollica [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last time I heard, the Debian Web site had a major disk crash or something.. (from the mouth of the webmaster himself).. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packaging Gimp .99.15
Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 1997 at 08:24:03PM -0500, Wintermute wrote: No thanks.. I'm running libc6 Debian at work.. and lemme tell ya.. it just doesn't have the package base yet for me to think about using it at home. Could you expand a bit on that last statement? I have absolutely no idea what you mean. How about the fact that there are numerous packages that depend on others that AREN'T there...for starters? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: dpkg error :-(
Jason Wright wrote: I've gotten this trying to install truncated or otherwise corrupted packages. PeeWee -- Which is all the more reason to use dselect to install packages as this should catch broken/truncated/corrupt packages before install. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: diald cached webpages
David Stern wrote: (byte comparison, and I've looked at the tarballs with tar, .dsc with editor), I've tried changing the directory name, giving the files executable permission, I'm running as root, in /usr/src/.. , and I'm just about out of ideas. Got any? :-) Got one right here. Just take the distribution tgz file and untar it into /usr/src. Then read the README and INSTALL files to find out how to compile and install it. That simple. Call me a heretic, but sometimes you just have to get your hands dirty with a little compile/install work without the aid of the dpkg/dselect net. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: diald cached webpages
David Stern wrote: The good news is that I got wwwoffle running, so now I get to test it out. Thanks for the idea, fellow heretic. :-) Good to hear. *BIG GRINS* -- Wintermute ## Registered Debian Hertetic Serial # 233C78S -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mailing list/newsgroup loopback?
Larry G. Gariepy Jr. wrote: Yes, I am noticing some duplicate messages. I am getting copies of messages I sent again a day or so after I sent them (and received them the first time). I was wondering why yesterday (the 29th) was such a heavy day. I didn't check my mail the whole day, and I counted about 220 messages from the mailing list!!! I thought the norm was 50-100!! Same problem here. Only I have been checking my mail constantly today.. and I stop for like 1 hour to hop out of X and configure some things, come back, start up Netscape, check my mail..and I've got like 150 messages. Whew... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Configuring a pcmcia networkcard
Selim Issever wrote: Dear all, I am trying to install debian-linux on my laptop. If it matters: it is a Panasonic CF-61 and the card is a NE2000 compatible card. So far eveything worked very well! Wow,.. very easy,.. up to one little problem,.. connecting to the net. Ill start at the beginning (ill try to be brief): 1) Patitioning was already done,.. hbda1 - Windows hbda2 - Used by the Laptop hbda3 - Linux swap hbda4 - Container partition for 5 and 6 hbda5 - Linux partition hbda6 - Linux partition 2) I downloaded all the stuff in the debian ftp directory base1.bin, ... base5.bin base1_3.bin,.. loadlin, root.bin, linux,.. and all the rest,.. Plus,.. I loaded down the pcmcia_cs-deb and pcmcia-modules.deb packages into C:\debian (I did it from windows as you can see) 3) I started linux via loadlin from the C:\debian dir (from DOS) as stated in the manual: loadlin linux root=/dev/ram initrd=root.bin or the like,.. 4) linux started,.. found all hardware,.. all but the pcmcia-interface,.. but ok,.. I was forewarned by the manual already,.. I did all the configuration,.. mounting the partitions,.. driver installation,.. basesystem,.. and everything,.. pcmcia package is not avalable at this point (also stated in the manual) and,.. of coursse at this point I cant load any networkcards, as the pcmcia interface is not working yet,.. 5) Configure Net,.. Ok,.. I type in all the necessary information,.. When debian asks me for the 'default' netconnection I choose pcmcia,.. OK,.. everything is done and the system reboots,.. 6) configre users,.. 7) I install all the pcmcia-* packages,.. 8) reboot again,.. 9) Hey great!! the interface is working (I tried already other distributions,.. they didnt succeeded at this point! SO I had a big smile on my face ;)) - The adapter is blinking 10) hmm,.. but how do I proceed now?? How do I tell my system to use NE2000 networkcards?? can I start dinstall again?? (It does not find it,..) telnet 0 or telnet 127.0.01 or telnet localhost or telnet elif do not work I get unknown host messages,.. There seem to be 2 problems,.. *SIGH*,.. any help would be very much appreciated!!! I am now trying to get my networkcard working with linux for about 3 week,.. there must be a solution,.. ThanX in advance! First off I'd recommend cat'ing your /proc/module file and seeing if you indeed have an entry for your network card. Second, I'd use ifconfig devicename where devicename is your particular interface (in most cases this is eth0) and see if it has any interesting things to say. Another thing to consider is this.. there is a file that must be set up in the PCMCIA setup that allocates and reserves specific interrupts to be used with PCMCIA devices. You must make sure that the one that is being given to your PCMCIA card is free and nothing else is using it. I remember when I set up a Toshiba laptop, I couldn't get either my mouse or my ethernet connection working for the longest time. Until of course I went in and edited this particular file and told it NOT to allow anything to tie up the interrupt for the ethernet and the built in touch pad. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: emacs and .Xdefaults
Kirk Hilliard wrote: I just made a new installation of bo, and emacs no longer seems to read my ~/.Xdefaults file like it used to in rex. ~ $ cat ~/.Xdefaults emacs.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-*-*-*-c-60-iso8859-1 ~ $ cat ~/.Xdefaults-globe emacs.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-*-*-*-c-60-iso8859-1 ~ $ hostname globe ~ $ emacs ~ $ echo That one came up with the big ugly default font. That one came up with the big ugly default font. ~ $ emacs -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-*-*-*-c-60-iso8859-1 ~ $ echo That one came up with the nice small font that I want. That one came up with the nice small font that I want. ~ $ How can I get this to work again? Kirk alias emacs='emacs -fn fixed' Hilliard Try this.. xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults d -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Packaging Gimp .99.15
Anyone notice that the Gimp available for Debian 1.3.1 is the old .54 version? I have downloaded and successfully compile .99.15 on a libc5 system, however if you want to get this version (actually .99.14 last I looked) from Debian you HAVE to install from the hamm area, and that requires upgrading to libc6 (which is a pain at best). I was wondering if they were planning on making a .99.15 available for the libc5 users out there? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Sound question.
I have successfully compiled the sound driver with support for my cheap Ensoniq Soundscape clone (made by Reveal). This installs fine, and I have verifyed that I am getting sound output by cat'ing a few .au files to /dev/audio, and I even picked up the mpg123 player to try out the Windows95suck.mp3 *grin*.. however, there is one problem and I'm not sure where to look for the solution. When playing .au files, the sound will play for about 8-10 seconds suddenly beccome choppy and then I'll get this error message: cat: write error: I/O error Also, when using mpg123, it plays each 2 seconds of sound like 6 times before moving on to the next 2 seconds. This is REALLY annoying, as the output sounds correct. I imagine this to be some sort of buffering problem.. but I don't know where to look. The sound buffer is set to 65535 (the maximum) so I don't see a problem there.. and yet... Anyone run across this problem before? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: diald cached webpages
David Stern wrote: Hi, I'm trying to cut down my online time and would like to use diald, however everytime I wish to follow a link in my browser (netscape) to a webpage that is cached, diald fires up a ppp link. I prefer to only reload webpages manually, so I setup netscape to never reload webpages automatically. If diald weren't running, the pages would load instantly, but instead I have to wait for the ppp link to come up and then for a response, assuming the line is not busy or inoperative.. So I want to use diald, but I cannot allow diald to fire up a ppp connection when the page is already sitting on my hard drive. I'm not sure if this is a browser setting, a diald setting, or if I need some kind of caching software, but I don't see any information like this anywhere, maybe because I don't know what I'm looking for. :-) Would somebody please steer me in the right direction? David Stern -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . The problem in this situation is that Netscape will always attempt to access the remote server that the pages rely on when you click a link, whether or not you have the page locally in the cache, or have to option on to never check for updates on the page. Most browsers do this. Why? Anyone's guess. My guess? Because it automatically tries to resolve the domainname in preparation for an actual read, which in turn causes diald to fire up. Solution? At best whatever you or others come up with will be a hack since the problem is with Netscape and not diald. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: diald cached webpages
Isn't there some kind of cache software, though? I don't know what it's called, but it caches webpages locally, and won't querry the remote server unless the page isn't in the cache? What is it called? Would it work? Well you forced me to pick my brain.. so you asked for it.. http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/version-1.3/user.html An offline web browser tool that works with several browsers, caches pages, and marks links that you want to go to (but are not cached) for later retrieval, and other cool stuff. (Says it works with Netscape too) http://www.isg.de/visualweb/invisible_e.html Automates the downloading of web pages from a web site. (Sorta like a crawler in some respects) the economical way to browse the web --taken from the banner of the web page. Give these guys a go. The former option even intrigued me... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X Windows
Allen Burns wrote: Ok I know that this is a really stupid question but I am new so please bear with me, thank you. First I would like to say thanx to all the ppl that helped me get debian on my system, adn to all the others out there that have a Gateway2000 that debain won't install on: It is your promise ultra card, get rid of it. Thanx guys. Ok now my stupid question: How do I get X windows up and running on my system? full instructions would be appreciated, thanx in advance. So that snippet I sent you helped a little? As for X, first off tell me how far you've gotten already. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X Windows
Allen Burns wrote: [Snip] As far as X as I have xbase.deb Xlib6.dev and two servers, I got the one that SHOULD work with my graph. card and I also downloaded the SVGA generic server, I did this on a MSDOS (this is msdos because I don't have linux up and running on the i.net yet.) zip disk and used (in dselect) the unmounted filesystem option or something like that. It said that it installed but I couldn't find X Setup or anything. Thanx Well for one thing, if you are ever going to install any Debian packages whatsoever, I would recommend using either dselect, or in a case where you don't have net access, or a local distribution media, go to the debian web page and get the packages from their package section (which sad to say has been down lately). The reason for this is that it will automatically tell you what other packages you will need for the install (dependencies). Now on to the meat... if you have everything installed, you might try running as root... /usr/sbin/xbase-configure and then ... /usr/bin/X11/xf86config Be sure to read the instructions in xf86config carefully, as most problems with X come from incorrect values specified for monitor capabilities and card types. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ls for anonymous ftp
M. W. Blunier wrote: Is there a package that provides an ls with statically linked libs, or a package that will set up the ~ftp heirarchy so that anonymous ftps can use ls? Thanks Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Although I'm not exactly sure I understand the problem, I assume you are having trouble getting ls to work with anonymous ftp users..? Explain in more detail -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: diald cached webpages
David Stern wrote: development group seems to have dried up just before caldera took it on, but I'll do what I can to make old ties, and maybe even see about WindowMaker-izing it (WindowMaker stole most of the AfterStep development group). Thanks, I did not know this.. I wondered why it was becoming harder and harder to find afterstep stuph out there. Maybe I'll switch my desktop to WindowMaker. One problem which I'm encountering right now is that wwwoffle wants glibc6, and I've been taking the moderate approach to upgrades, i.e.: the latest stable. So, I'm thinking of running a squid version since wwwoffle requires glibc6, but there's a squid version that'll use 5. I like glibc6, I just don't want the pains of an unstable release, even though I have room for a spare distro on my hd. Sometimes you might be surprised at what you can do by compiling the program yourself. The gimp .99.15 package in the Debian distribution claims it needs libc6, but if you get the source distribution yourself you will find it compiles just fine under libc5. This may also be the case with wwwoffle. To be honest, wwwoffle sounds to be the more intelligent solution anyways. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Mailing Lists Archive
David R Baker wrote: Hello, For the last couple of days I cannot access the mailing lists archives at www.debian.org. Is this a temporary problem, or has something changed that I have missed? Thanks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . This may have something to do with the disk crash that the web master of the Debian site informed me of when I asked him why the packages area online was broken. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: diald cached webpages
David Stern wrote: I've also noticed that since the last Enlightenment release, some of the WM and AStep crowd are now switching to E!. I think this was partially because the last release was a major in the development cycle, but also partially due to redhat hiring E!'s author, which was regarded as a hopeful sign that easier configuration would not be far off. I've heard that the performance and stability is now tolerable, but haven't heard anything about it's longstanding functionally challenged condition. E! still uses quite a bit of memory and cpu grunt, too. I guess it's supposed to look so good it doesn't matter. There are several new, unique, attractive desktop accompaniments for E! now, also. David I plan on running E only when I attain more CPU power and a better video card than the one I currently have. Afterstep has done me ok on this particular configuration.. so it's sad to hear that development is at a stand-still. However if WM get some stable stuff out there, I might switch... right now I'm pondering WM and the KDE. KDE looks like it could be a very nice integrated desktop (if they pull off all those apps)... Anyways.. nice bouncing these ideas off of you.. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: reset console/term (tty0)
Daniel Martin wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Paul Miller wrote: How do I reset the console (tty0, etc)? The reason I ask is because when I executed gzip -dc file.tar.gz without the |tar -xvf -, my text became unreadable - translated into high ascii characters.. I remember that there was a control sequence to reset it, but I couldn't figure out what it was. Thanks The control sequence you probably want is Escape-c (^[c) - this resets everything (and as a side effect clears the screen). Ctrl-O probably would have fixed your letters, but escape-c is much more general, and fixes many more problems. I think the HOWTO that covers this is the Console HOWTO. Another thing you may try (even though it contains more letters) is just typing 'reset' and pressing return. This should reread the termcap entry for your console and reset the screen back to normal. You won't be able to see it as you type it, you'll be flying blind. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Linux, a MicroSoft product? (fwd)
Pancho Horrillo wrote: IS THIS TRUE? I really NEED to know I hope is simply a joke thx It's totally bogus. I almost detect a bit of the recently passed controversy over the Linux patent dispute. Linux is an will remain a free operating system with ultimate power resting in the hands of its users and no one person alone. This post is hooey. It's also not that humourous, so I imagine someone created it just to get a rise out of Linux users. Legal authority over Linux resides presently with Linus Torvalds, and I don't see that changing any time in the near or distant future. 'Sides.. the boys at Microsoft wouldn't know where to begin even if they WERE interested in controlling Linux... ;D -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: how do I kill samba?
Paul Miller wrote: how do I kill samba when it is loaded from inetd? .. smbd doesn't even appear on ps -aux unless a service is being used. Thanks --- Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED], finger for public PGP key 100 MB web space for $10/month, http://www.3dillusion.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You've kind of answered your own question. smbd doesn't show up on a ps listing because it is only run when needed, and not all the time as a daemon. The best way to kill it if you don't like this behavior is to edit your inetd.conf and comment out the service. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 3c509 Detection problem. Experienced user needs assistance.
Nils Rennebarth wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: Been there, done that. Like I said.. this is an advanced problem. I've done some more experimenting today and so I have some more things to add should anyone still be watching this thread. Did you try: 1) to rip off all other cards, esp. of the PnP type from your computer temporarily. PnP soundcards e.g. had given me a hard time together with 3c509's None in there 2) to change the BIOS PnP settings. Put IRQ 10 in ISA/Legacy mode. (Depends on your BIOS, how this setting is called and where to find it). Nils Don't have BIOS that advanced on the board. (Pretty standard BIOS) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Possible bug or flaw detected.
George Bonser wrote: Ok, try this. do a make menuconfig and unselect all network drivers except the EL3. (3c509) and make that one hardcoded (not a module) . Install that kernel. Remove all but the minimum number of boards on the motherboard needed to boot the system and display boot messages (take it down to the most simple possible hardware configuration) As a matter of fact, you might be best off doing a: make-kpkg -revision test kernel_image after doing a make menuconfig. (do the make-kpkg in /usr/src/linux) Make sure that there are no other networking drivers installed either hardcoded in the kernel or built as modules. then cd to /usr/src and install the test kernel just like any other package using dpkg -i Boot it and give it a whirl. George Bonser Debian/GNU Linux See http://www.debian.org Linux ... It isn't just for breakfast anymore! I'll give this a shot and see what happens. Be reporting real soon. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Possible bug or flaw detected.
A. M. Varon wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: I'm a step ahead (I am really QUICK aren't I?). I reconfigured my BIOS thinking that perhaps something in there was responsible for this problem. Yes, you are QUICK! :) I have exhausted all possibilities and I am more convinced that there is some kind of a bug in the ethernet device driver of Mr. Becker. I'm not a programmer... so maybe you could post this bug or something on the linux-net mailing list. Possibly... I'm going to try hacking out the code in the driver to see if I can get a better detection scheme going for my particular hardware. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Possible bug or flaw detected.
Donald Becker wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: You didn't include the 'dmesg' output in the attachments. What value is being detected? My fault, I forgot to attach it. I will send you several dmesg outputs in my next message so that you have some sort of result set for comparison. I can already tell you that the number it is detecting is most always different, example: 0x, 0x, 0x00FF, 0xFF00. The only thing constant are the hex values of 0 and F. Is this at the first check for 6d50, or the second? id_read_eeprom(7) inw(ioaddr) If at id_read_eeprom(), increase the timeout value a *lot* . Houston, we have liftoff! Before I got this piece of mail from you I did just that (just trying to clarify that indeed I am QUICK big smile). Now that I see this would be the next thing you would have done I feel REALLY good. Ok, now for the details. The delay I had to modify was the one at id_read_eeprom() function. Setting this value in progressive increments of 1000 I reached success at 5000 usec's of delay. To be on the safe side I also modified the function above it with the same value (Ok, so I'm paranoid). This worked like a charm and my 3c509b card is ready to kick some serious network butt (In a low-level kinda way grin). Now I did notice when I rebooted after inserting the module that Win95 had trouble detecting the card later on (even with removing the driver from Win95 and reinstalling it after a warm boot). To counter this problem I shifted the card back into PnP mode and configured Windows accordingly. To test it I restarted the system several times into Linux and then Win95 and it worked like magic. (The driver must have left the card in an unstable state when using it in ISA mode.) Go figure... I care not.. Now here's what I don't understand. The usleep() function is used in the diagnostic program, and the udelay() function is used in the driver. The usleep function works correctly, and the udelay function seems to not give enough time for the read on the card to return information. Could there be a better way of setting this delay in later releases of the driver by calibrating the delay to the speed of the system (IE: ISA Bus)? Anyways, I'm now set to take on my next challenge and set up Linux to use the Road Runner cablemodem service (which I've read up on quite well in the interim). I thank you for your help, you do a great service to the Linux community with your work. I don't think we (the users) show our appreciation enough.. after all, what would a Linux machine be without network access? (It would be something like self mutilation in my case.. but opinions may vary.) A thousand thanks to you sir, from all of us out here in the Linux community! (BTW, attached is the source code for the 1.14 driver with the delay values changed, for anyone who isn't C savvy and wants to give it a try to see if it will solve a detection problem they may be having. -- A few keywords nice and close together for the search engines --- 3c509, ethernet, detection problem, Linux, Debian). A content Linux Adeptus Major, Wintermute -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
3c509.c Driver modification for over-clocked AMD 5x86 133 detection.
Sorry gang I forgot to attach the driver source to my last message, so
here it is.
/* 3c509.c: A 3c509 EtherLink3 ethernet driver for linux. */
/*
Written 1993-1997 by Donald Becker.
Copyright 1994-1997 by Donald Becker.
Copyright 1993 United States Government as represented by the
Director, National Security Agency. This software may be used and
distributed according to the terms of the GNU Public License,
incorporated herein by reference.
This driver is for the 3Com EtherLinkIII series.
The author may be reached as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
C/O Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences
Code 930.5, Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt MD 20771
Known limitations:
Because of the way 3c509 ISA detection works it's difficult to predict
a priori which of several ISA-mode cards will be detected first.
This driver does not use predictive interrupt mode, resulting in higher
packet latency but lower overhead. If interrupts are disabled for an
unusually long time it could also result in missed packets, but in
practice this rarely happens.
FIXES:
Alan Cox: Removed the 'Unexpected interrupt' bug.
Michael Meskes: Upgraded to Donald Becker's version 1.07.
Alan Cox: Increased the eeprom delay. Regardless of
what the docs say some people definitely
get problems with lower (but in card spec)
delays
v1.10 4/21/97 Fixed module code so that multiple cards may be
detected,
other cleanups. -djb
v1.13 9/8/97 Made 'max_interrupt_work' an insmod-settable
variable -djb
v1.14 10/15/97 Avoided waiting..discard message for fast
machines -djb
*/
static char *version = 3c509.c:1.14 10/15/97 [EMAIL PROTECTED];
/* A few values that may be tweaked. */
/* Time in jiffies before concluding the transmitter is hung. */
#define TX_TIMEOUT (400*HZ/1000)
/* Maximum events (Rx packets, etc.) to handle at each interrupt. */
const int max_interrupt_work = 10;
#include linux/module.h
#include linux/config.h
#include linux/kernel.h
#include linux/sched.h
#include linux/string.h
#include linux/interrupt.h
#include linux/ptrace.h
#include linux/errno.h
#include linux/in.h
#include linux/malloc.h
#include linux/ioport.h
#include linux/netdevice.h
#include linux/etherdevice.h
#include linux/skbuff.h
#include linux/config.h /* for CONFIG_MCA */
#include linux/delay.h/* for udelay() */
#include asm/bitops.h
#include asm/io.h
//#define EL3_DEBUG 9
#ifdef EL3_DEBUG
int el3_debug = EL3_DEBUG;
#else
int el3_debug = 2;
#endif
/* To minimize the size of the driver source I only define operating
constants if they are used several times. You'll need the manual
anyway if you want to understand driver details. */
/* Offsets from base I/O address. */
#define EL3_DATA 0x00
#define EL3_CMD 0x0e
#define EL3_STATUS 0x0e
#define EEPROM_READ 0x80
#define EL3_IO_EXTENT 16
#define EL3WINDOW(win_num) outw(SelectWindow + (win_num), ioaddr + EL3_CMD)
/* The top five bits written to EL3_CMD are a command, the lower
11 bits are the parameter, if applicable. */
enum c509cmd {
TotalReset = 011, SelectWindow = 111, StartCoax = 211,
RxDisable = 311, RxEnable = 411, RxReset = 511, RxDiscard = 811,
TxEnable = 911, TxDisable = 1011, TxReset = ,
FakeIntr = 1211, AckIntr = 1311, SetIntrEnb = 1411,
SetStatusEnb = 1511, SetRxFilter = 1611, SetRxThreshold = 1711,
SetTxThreshold = 1811, SetTxStart = 1911, StatsEnable = 2111,
StatsDisable = 2211, StopCoax = 2311,};
enum c509status {
IntLatch = 0x0001, AdapterFailure = 0x0002, TxComplete = 0x0004,
TxAvailable = 0x0008, RxComplete = 0x0010, RxEarly = 0x0020,
IntReq = 0x0040, StatsFull = 0x0080, CmdBusy = 0x1000, };
/* The SetRxFilter command accepts the following classes: */
enum RxFilter {
RxStation = 1, RxMulticast = 2, RxBroadcast = 4, RxProm = 8 };
/* Register window 1 offsets, the window used in normal operation. */
#define TX_FIFO 0x00
#define RX_FIFO 0x00
#define RX_STATUS 0x08
#define TX_STATUS 0x0B
#define TX_FREE 0x0C/* Remaining free bytes in Tx buffer. */
#define WN0_IRQ 0x08/* Window 0: Set IRQ line in bits
12-15. */
#define WN4_MEDIA 0x0A/* Window 4: Various transcvr/media
bits. */
#define MEDIA_TP 0x00C0 /* Enable link beat and jabber for
10baseT. */
/*
* Must be a power of two (we use a binary and in the
* circular queue)
*/
#define SKB_QUEUE_SIZE 64
struct el3_private {
struct enet_statistics stats;
struct device *next_dev;
/* skb send-queue */
Re: Debian Problem after compiling kernel
Vaibhav Goel wrote:
#! /bin/sh
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
route add -net 127.0.0.0
IPADDR=204.69.208.4
NETMASK=255.255.255.0
NETWORK=204.69.208.0
BROADCAST=204.69.208.255
GATEWAY=
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}
[ ${GATEWAY} ] route add default gw ${GATEWAY} metric 1
Well right off the top of my skull I'd say that your problem is the fact
that there is no gateway specified to ifconfig, so ifconfig is seeing you
try to pass metric as a value for 'gw' since GATEWAY is being left blank
and barfing. Try putting your correct gateway in the GATEWAY= line and try
it again.
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Re: Possible bug or flaw detected.
A. M. Varon wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: Possibly... I'm going to try hacking out the code in the driver to see if I can get a better detection scheme going for my particular hardware. My one last shot... could you get the latest linux kernel (2.0.32) and recompile it in your computer? Problem solved! Read my newest post to find out how! (I TOLD you all that the problem with detection lay with the driver!!! ... ok ok.. so it has something to do with the overclocking on my ISA bus too.. details details...) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: svaglib
Luka Pravica wrote: hi, I made some programs using svgalib. But I can run those programs only when I am root. When I am not root, I get following error message: svgalib: Cannot open /dev/console Any other svgalib programs (precompiled from debian-packages) are running without problems. I tried to make /dev/console read/write-able for everyone, but then i get errors about I/O permisions. My programs are probably missing something, but I don't know what. Thanks for any help luka You will need to 'suid' the program you are trying to run. This can be done by typing chmod +s program name Be WARNED!!! Anyone will tell you that this is a security issue as any program that you 'suid' in this way will have root permissions upon execution and thus can cause problems later on if the program freaks out horribly and decides to go on a rampage in the system (with root privs of course) or if there is a weakness in the program that would allow another user to exploit the program to obtain root privs. Be very sure that this is what you want before doing it. (In practical experience, this tends to be a small issue, as most programs I have found that require this are well protected against such things.. but look before ye leap... har). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How can I use PPP connection?
Adalberto da Silva wrote: Hello, I'm quite confused with PPP connection. I'm using xisp to dial and set my internet connection under Linux. The internet provider from my university uses dinamic IP assignment and I can easily get a 'socket' for my W95 applications: I run a script that dials, I put my username and password on login screen, key 'ppp' and enter, get a stream of wordscodes on screen (saying 'Async interfaces etc ...') and push F7 to finnally get a socket to plug my Netscape, ftp and whatelse. I installed xisp and fed it with server address, my username and password, wrote some lines for scripting: ername:--ername: %s ssword: %s -- sync:--sync /0;65 (I wait for the message 'Async... and send the codes to play for F7 key my server asks for) Well, it seems to work as long as I got a fancy xisp window with the correct number of my server on ISP box, a dynamic IP adress box filled down, a status box with a message CONN (I wish this means connected...), a correct speed number and a 'walking' clock with my connection time. I took my HowTo's and read PPP-HowTo but I did not know what is missing. How can I fire some internet applications to take any advantage of the connection? What is the next step to plug Netscape, ftp apps, telnet and things alike in this 'socket'? Help me! Must I stack on W95 to make a simple (a bit cumbersome, I know, but a working one) internet connection? Thanks in advance, Adalberto da Silva Instituto Astronomico e Geofisico Universidade de Sao Paulo - Brasil [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . If your provider uses Dynamic IP assignment, see if you can use the dhcpd program that is available for Debian in addition to your script. (This program obtains an IP and other configuration values from your ISP automagically,and adjust your network files accordingly). Which brings me to point two.. have you set up your network configuration files under Linux yet? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: How can I use PPP connection?
Adalberto da Silva wrote: Well, your second point is somewhat cryptic for me. I've installed some programs, I rolled a new kernel with ppp support and related stuff. But I must confess: where are those network configuration files? I wish the time I spent with OS's (or quite-OS's...) that don't ask me for manual edit of configuration files had made me a little lazy... I've been reading to fix this fault but I get confused quite often. Most of the files you will need to edit reside in the /etc directory. For starters the basic files would involve: hosts networks resolv.conf (for use of a name server) hostname Usually distributions come with a method for easy configuration of your network. Try doing a search for 'netconfig' in your filesystem. I am aware that Slackware has this sort of thing, but unsure about Debian. Other help can be found in the Network-HOWTO which on Debian should reside under /usr/doc/FAQ somewhere. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: crypting a whole filesystem or directory?
Luka Pravica wrote: Hi, linux (unix) is a quite secure system. But if somebody can get directly to the server-computer, then it is easy to reboot computer to dos with a boot disk, and use 2e-filesystem tools to get all files they want, like shadowed password file, or any other only root-readable files. Is there a way to crypt a whole e2-filesystem or at least a whole directories? Or is there any other way to overcome this? Yes there is. Whether or not Debian has a package for this yet I do not know, however here is an address that should answer some questions: http://www.aoy.com/Linux/Security/Linux-Security-FAQ/CFS-Doc.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Possible bug or flaw detected.
Donald Becker wrote: This indicates a problem with your machine and the udelay() routine. Between them yes. It's pretty clear that the udelay() routine isn't being calibrated correctly. It should be calibrated when the machine boots. This can cause other, less obvious, problems. Uh huh. Could you track down this problem? It's very difficult to people with normal machines to figure out what's going on. I'll do my best Cap'n. Can't promise anything however, as my ASM is rusty, and that's what the udelay function is written in (even if it is small). That's what udelay() is supposed to do. I used to use the SLOW_DOWN_IO routine, which is calibrated to ISA bus speed. That had the drawbacks of Not working on non-ISA architectures. Not timing accurately with over-clocked busses (I assumed 16Mhz worst-case, 8.33Mhz is nominal max.) Being difficult to understand. Mmmm hmm, yes sir, that would prove to be a problem. One way I could suggest would be to get at the real time clock for calibration purposes (which shouldn't be a problem on most machines (and if it is, the hardware would most likely be corrupt as well)). Another way would be to use one of the programmable timer chips in the system (which most if not all architectures I have to assume would have). All ideas you've probably thought of several times, I would imagine. But if I do come up with something substantial I'll drop you a line. (BTW, attached is the source code for the 1.14 driver with the delay values changed, for I'm not going to change the driver constants -- this should be fixed in the udelay() routine. I understand your reasons, and I wasn't being presumptuous in posting the modified code expecting it to be instituted as a fix to the current distribution. I just wanted to get it out on the net for others with my same problem to see. If I could have found something like this in the FAQ, or even on the driver page it would have saved me so much time spent thinking about it (and with my mind, a problem unsolved haunts me constantly for days). I'll see what I can come up with on getting the udelay() function to work properly with my system. Thanks again. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: screen snapshot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This question has probably been asked before ... anyhow; How does one get a snapshot/logfile of the bootup process? I know about dmesg but the part which interest me is the processing which occurs _after_ dmesg stops. I've seen various debug messages, but they scroll off the screen before the login prompt comes up. I'd like to investigate and fix them if I could find out what they are. 8-) As for taking a snapshot I'm not sure .but you can access things that roll off of the screen by holding down shift and pressing the page up key to browse through the buffer. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Possible bug or flaw detected.
Donald Becker wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: If I could have found something like this in the FAQ, or even on the driver page it would have saved me so much time spent thinking Done. http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/3c509.html I'm open to suggestions on additional text. Looks great thanks. This should save a lot of heartache for other people with overclocked machines. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: compile error (kernel)
When I saw this I just changed into the drivers/sound directory and ran ./configure which runs the command line based version of the OSS kernel sound setup. This worked for me. Benoit Joly wrote: hi i configured the kernel with make xconfig put sb16 ... enable, awe32 sync too and make dep, make clean but when i did make zImage i saw: gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.30/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe -m486 -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586 -c -o sb_common.o sb_common.c sb_common.c:21: #error You will need to configure the sound driver with CONFIG_AUDIO option. what should i do? thanks Benoit -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hamm distribution
The Debian libc6 HOWTO list a known fix for this.. you need to get an older version of the libc5 library that will not conflict with the libc6 you are trying to install. Johan Harvyl wrote: As far as I can see there are only one set of base disks; the bo dist base disks. After having installed them, dselect starts and if you try install, the first file it tries is libc6, which can't be installed since it conflicts with the libc5 that comes with the bo distribution. It can be installed manually by typing dpkg -i libc5.deb libc6xxx.deb but other packages has the same problem, libreadlineg for example seems to screw up my system when I try this causing segmentation faults to almost every program run. What is the correct procedure for installing the hamm ditribution from scratch? regards, Johan Harvyl Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://k2.lund.se/~johan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: set up network correctly ?
You wouldn't happen to have dhcpcd installed would you? (Check your package listing for it. dpkg -l | grep dhcp) Marc Fleureck wrote: Hi, System: Debian 1.3/kernel2.0.30/3c562-3d Lan+Modem adapter I have just set up my PCMCIA card without any erros. That is i don't get any errors at boot time. Card Services 2.9.6 co recognize the card. During installation of Debian 1.2/kernel 2.0.27 i have setup the network (ip-addresses, gateways, masks, etc...). But now /etc/hosts seems to be empty; /etc/networks contains the right address.;ifconfig eth0 does give all zeros, yet ping hostname is OK, but ping ip-address not (unreachable); netstat -r gives no gateway (except 127). Should i use the rescue floppy to go through the menus again and risk some part of my config (especially my pcmcia card configuration; i have spent a lot of time searching ...) to be wiped out ?! Regards, Marc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Help: Install packages
This should be capable of being solved by just telling Debian where to find the base package info files on the correct line for which package directories to install (IE: Under the Access Method menu option). However, if it still does not work, it is possible that who ever created your dist made a boo boo, and I would suggest finding another distribution. wdh wrote: Hello Everyone, We have a very simple question, which we think most of you may not even notice. We are using dselect to install packages from ordered CD. The CD has different file structure from what dselect expected. For example, dselect wanted to locate *.deb at /main/binary. The CD put *.deb at /bo/binary-a. It seems hard for dselect to accept other file structure. Since the CD have been distributed a lot, we believe problem is on our side. However, as real beginners, it is hard to figure this simple question out. Thanks H.He -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: jazz drive
I would imagine that this could be solved by specifying some particular mount options on the command line or in the fstab file. Unless of course if this is a driver problem, in which case I don't even have a Jazz to experiment with :). Michael Keith wrote: I have debian loaded on a jazz disk and everything seems to work fine except that it will not let the jazz go to sleep,and iomega says that it is imperative that the jazz goes to sleep. Does anybody have a clue on how to make this happen? It seems that debian is always hitting on it about every two seconds tia Mike Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 10/100Base-T Question
As I remember from some chats with people who work with ethernet hardware.. the card itself should automatically switch between 10 and 100 when it needs to (or when it can) and it is not up to the driver to take care of this. (Of course I could be wrong and talking out my a** again.) Kevin Traas wrote: I'm in the process of putting together a system for demo purposes and I would like to include a 10/100Base-T PCI network card that will automatically sense and switch to 10 or 100 Mbps at boot time. (Depending on the network at a client's location.) Will cards based on the DEC 21140 chipset do this or does the speed have to be set manually in a config file somewhere? If this chipset/driver can't do it, do you know of one that can? Regards, Kevin Traas -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: limiting user %cpu
OK, so I suck.. Here's my postulate.. CPU time could be what you need. I would imagine that CPU time would refer to the percentage of time that the user's processes will be actively payed attention to by the system's kernel. Sort of like an old time-slicing multi-tasking method of limiting user demand on the CPU. What experiences have you had so far setting the values of CPU time? Paul Miller wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: Paul Miller wrote: how can I limit the %cpu used by a user? ulimit will limit the cpu time, but not %cpu... what exactly is 'cpu time' and how is it calculated? Thanks --- Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED], finger for public PGP key 100 MB web space for $10/month, http://www.3dillusion.com Can't help you with the intrinsics of HOW the cpu time is calculated, but I can help you with limiting the CPU % (No way to check right now... but...) Pick up a package called lshells. Lshells allows you to set limits on all sorts of resources on a per user basis. except %CPU usage ... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 3c509 Detection problem. Experienced user needs assistance.
George Bonser wrote: I have been watching this on the list. One thing I have noticed is that Windows likes to set network cards up at irq 10 and some weird address. Even if you disabled pnp, the card settings may now be locked where they were before you disabled it. Can you, with the DOS config program, hard set the card to irq 5 address 0x300? If you must set it to another IRQ or address because of conflicts, go ahead, then reboot linux. Log in and manually run the insmod command like this: insmod 3c509 io=0x300 or wherever you set the address. The IRQ should be autodetected. you must use the 0x before the address that is zero and an x. If this works, assuming that you have the 3c509 module :) edit your /etc/init.d/network script to add that insmod command to the beginning of it. On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: Been there, done that. Like I said.. this is an advanced problem. I've done some more experimenting today and so I have some more things to add should anyone still be watching this thread. As I stated before the el3 diagnostic program and the 3c5x9 setup utility (written by Becker) both detect the card correctly at 0x300, IRQ 10. They get everything right (to the best of my knowledge). However, no matter if I set the card to any number of other IRQ's/Base IO Addresses, compile the driver into the kernel (and use the ether= statement at boot), or as a module and use the io= and irq= statements with insmod, the card will not be detected. To be clear: I have taken the machine down to it's bare essentials to do this!!! I have removed everything not necessary to the booting and normal basic operation of the machine. I removed my sound card, modem, disabled the second channel on my ide controller, disabled all com ports, I even switched out the card with another from work (the exact same model), still with no result. By base, I mean BASE. Video card, IDE controller, Ethernet card. That's it. Now I did some tinkering with the driver source code, and set the EL3_DEBUG value to a sizeable one (9) so that I could see exactly what was happening at boot. From what I can see, there is a section of the driver code that reads in some information from the EEPROM on the 3c509b (actually it reads from a standard address that I would suppose holds true for cards of the 3c5x9 family to access EEPROM values) and tries to determine if the card it found is indeed a 3c509. If it does not see a data word that equals 0x6b59 (or something like that) it exits determining that if it didn't see the right value, then the card it found was not a 3c509 and it moves on. I spent some time today comparing the code inside the el3 diagnostic utility and the code inside of the 3c509.c driver file. With few exceptions the code is almost exactly the same between them (I haven't gotten all the way through the file yet). However, when I run the el3 program it returns a string of 16 data words that match exactly the values the card should have, and in the first column of the Window 1 output there is the value it's looking for (the 0x6b59 value). I'm wondering if my particular machine configuration could be throwing the code off in the driver and when it tries to read from whatever address it's using, it's pointing to the wrong offset. The values are clearly there in the el3 diagnostic output, so the driver must be looking in the wrong place for the data, or reading it incorrectly. I'll spend some more time hacking at the code and see if I can somehow recreate the exact method of polling the EEPROM of the card that the el3 program has in the 3c509.c driver. If you're out there Becker, drop me a line so I can bounce some of these ideas off of you. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 3c509 Detection problem. Experienced user needs assistance.
A. M. Varon wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: And one more thing, type dmesg | more and see if the kernel did detect a 3c509b PnP card. Nope, sure doesn't, and I've rebooted my kernel enough time in the past 3 days to force at least 2 maximal mount count checks, too. Hmm linux did not detect the 3c509b card. Could you try to swap ethernet cards with your other linux box? maybe you have some spare ones. Try to see if another ethernet card is working with your current setup. regards, Been there. Just today around noon I swapped out the 3c509b in my box with another identical model we use at work (that I also KNOW works with our machines there running Linux). The only MAJOR difference between those machines and mine is that they are Compaq Deskpro Pentium 100's and my machine sports a generic Deep Green 486 main board/AMD 5x86 133 combination. I would not doubt that my particular base hardware (motherboard and cpu) is to blame and I would be willing to ignore it, however I don't have the money right now to upgrade to a better motherboard/chip yet. Plus, if this is a concern with one main board/chip combo, it may be the same with others, and why not find out how to fix it now? After all, the Linux way has always been to conform the OS to the machine and not vice-versa. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 3c509 Detection problem. Experienced user needs assistance.
Charles Read wrote: I've had similar trouble with a PnP modem, even though: a. 'dmesg | more' indicates the kernel finds the serial device for the modem. b. IRQs are uniquely assigned. c. setserial shows all configuration parameters for the modem to be sound. My error is: # cu --speed 115200 --line /dev/ttyS1 cu: open (/dev/ttyS1): Permission denied cu: /dev/ttyS1: Line in use Please post your solution if you find one! Well, I've got a few ideas for you. Right off the bat I am wondering why you are using /dev/ttyS1 instead of /dev/cua1 (which is one of the standard call out devices). As I remember, the /dev/ttySx's are normally used as call-in devices (whether or not this actually makes a difference to the system I do not know). I'm not familiar with the cu program, as I normally use the setserial program (setserial /dev/cua1 spd_vhi) to change values for the modem. I think I once ran into a problem with a PCMCIA modem being tied up continually, and also as a result causing the mouse to not respond on the laptop I was using. I came to find out that I had to explicitly tell the kernel that the IRQ for the mouse (PS/2) was not to be assigned to any requesting PCMCIA drivers/devices. After that both devices worked fine. If I get some time, I'll try to research your problem in more detail and get back to you. (Got your address in my book now.) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Oh, WAIT!
George Bonser wrote: I just saw this earlier mesage. Ok, rather than insmod, use modprobe! I ran into this last week. depmod -a modprobe 3c509.o io=0x300 or modprobe 3c509 io-0x300 I do not remember if I needed the .o or not but was having EXACTLY the same problem, device or resource busy. Ok, I will give this a try tonight and report on the results. Pray for me. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: infinite loop in interrupt
Aaron Brick wrote: Hello everybody this may be more of a hardware question. i frequently see the error message eth0: Infinite loop in interrupt, status 2011. on my terminal; however, the network connection is fine. what should i do to make whatever is causing that error stop reporting it? thanks. aaron. Got something for you from my lately incredible memory: --- The 1.2.13 driver may occasionally produce the following message: eth0: Missed interrupt, status then 2011 now 2000 Tx 00 Rx 8000. This is (rather, should be) a rare race condition that happens in some error checking code. When a packet is to be transmitted, the driver checks if an interrupt is pending. If there is one pended, it usually means that some other device is using the interrupt line and preventing the interrupt controller form seeing it. This check works fine on most motherboards (i.e. my development motherboard), but some chipset are slow to report the interrupt. (Probably a because they are filtering out interrupt glitches -- a good thing given some poorly designed older cards.) The driver then thinks the interrupt line is broken, and prints the message. As part of printing the message, it check the interrupt status again. Note that the now value has the interrupt cleared, so it was handled after all. This message can be eliminated by compiling the driver with the '-Dfinal_version' flag that turns off this (and only this) error check. - Found this little gem on the central storehouse of ethernet information: http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/linux.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: infinite loop in interrupt
Aaron Brick wrote: Hello everybody this may be more of a hardware question. i frequently see the error message eth0: Infinite loop in interrupt, status 2011. on my terminal; however, the network connection is fine. what should i do to make whatever is causing that error stop reporting it? thanks. aaron. Addendum to former message (I pasted the wrong thing). : eth0: Infinite loop in interrupt, status 2011. These are mostly harmless message indicating that the driver had too much work during that interrupt cycle. With a status of 0x2011 you are receiving packets faster than they can be removed from the card. This should be rare or impossible in normal operation. Possible problems are a green mode enabled that slows the processor down when there is no keyboard activitiy. some other device or device driver hogging the bus or disabling interrupts. Check /proc/interrupts for excessive interrupt counts. The timer tick interrupt should always be incrementing faster than the others. - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: REDHAT 4.1 SONY CDU-33A
Michael S. Howard wrote: I just got another Puter, a 486 66MHz 16MB RAM the works just fine with good old Slackware 3.0 (yes it's old). Anyway, I am trying to install REDHAT 4.1 and it cannot autoprobe the SONY CDU-33A 2x CDROM (it was found under Slackware 3.0) Does anyone know the option that I need to supply to get the REDHAT modules to load? -MikeH [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Aww C'mon guys.. that's no way to treat a Linux user. I'll give it a go.. When I had a Sony cdu31a a long time back I had to use : cdu31a=0x320,0 I put that on the lilo boot line, and appended it to the options later on when I compiled cdu31a support as a module. It seems that the SONY line of CDROM drives are prorietary and so they can only use a polling method to access the card and not direct DMA so that's why the ,0 in the option line. Anyways... replace the 0x320 above with your address and give it a go... As I had a cdu31a it may be different, but chances are, if your CDROM hooks into a proprietary controller (and not to an IDE controller card for instance), this could be the answer for you... A lot of help can be found in the CDROM HOW-TO as well, including some advice on misbehaving CDU drives. Good luck. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Eth0
Bill Leach wrote: Greg; first under Linux there will not be and should not be a device file in /dev for your ethernet card. From what you have NOT said, I would like to be sure that the module IS installed so do a cat /proc/modules and look for a 3c509 entry. Whether the kernel says that it has the module or not will determine the next move. best, -bill Greg wrote: I am trying to get my local lan going and cannot seem to figure out how to make the kernal see the ethernet card. I am using a 3com 3509 and I know that the driver is there. When I use ifconfig I run into problems such as SIOCSIFADDR: no such device. Eth0 is not even in /dev, so I tried MAKEDEV -c eth0 and the error is unkown device or group eth0. Can anyone help me get this configured properly? I would appreciate any input. Good to know I'm not the only user out here with this problem. 1st steps to take when this happens is to disable plug and play on the card using the 3c5x9cfg.exe program that comes on the installation diskette. Next set the IO address and the IRQ to something reasonable with that same program (it should tell you whether or not those values you choose conflict with something else in the system). Next either compile the driver support into the kernel or as a module. If as a module uncomment the line in conf.modules that says: alias eth0 3c509 .. and make sure that if there is an options line for the 3c509 in that file that the IO and IRQ options are set correctly. If in the kernel try putting this on the lilo boot prompt: ether=10,0x300,0,0,eth0 .. after the boot selection entry. Make SURE to do a HARD BOOT (power your machine down and then back up again) after you have disabled plug and play with the DOS utility. If this stuff doesn't work, get back with me, I've stock piled a lot of stuph that might help... Your fellow 3Com user in hell, Wintermute -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Possible bug or flaw detected.
Not to say that you aren't the MAN when it comes to ethernet drivers (you are), but I think I've found a problem that might be resolved with a few modifications to the source of the 3c509.c driver. Attached to this email are applicable files from my Debian Linux 2.0.29 installation. I have compiled 3c509.c with #define EL3_DEBUG 9 to ensure that I get enough error output to show what's going on. I hope this is enough information for you to get some idea of what is going wrong. (I know you're a busy man, so I hate to impose on what free time you may have, but this is really bugging me now). I'm not new to Linux at all, I've been using it for the better part of 5 years, however I have finally met my match when it comes to problems. (Normally I can resolve even the worst problem in a matter of hours.. or at least get an understanding of what the EXACT problem is.. this however has taken days.. and as I really have no experience with ethernet cards, I'm at a loss). The 3c509 card in my present system is identical to those we use at work. The boxes at work are Compaq Deskpro P100's running Debian Linux as well. The 3c509 driver has no problem working on those. My home machine (and current problem child), is running Debian 2.0.29 (as I mentioned) and is an AMD 5x86 133 w/ True Green 486 main board (pretty generic board.. has the ability to run most any 486 class chip.. which the 5x86 is technically). Now I've tried compiling the driver into the kernel and as a module. I've even downloaded the 1.14 version driver and put that in place of the 1.07 driver. I've remembered to use the ether= and reserve= on the lilo boot prompt and the io= and irq= (except in the case of the newest version where io is not an option). The card is not in PnP mode, and I remembered to do a power off after kicking PnP mode off on the card. (The card incidentally runs fine in both PnP mode and ISA mode under Win95). I have stripped the machine down to bare essentials in my adventure so far. The last tested configuration was thus: Cirrus Logic 5426 SVGA video card CMD VLB IDE controller (I disabled the secondary port to make sure that was minimalist, and I also disabled the com ports that it supports and removed my modem.) 3c509b TPO Etherlink III ISA card. (I chucked the PnP sound card that was in it as well...) Even with this small scale configuration it would not detect the card, however the ethernet diagnostic utilties el3-diag and 3c5x9 that you have made available both detect the card at the right settings as you will see in the attached files. I'm really at wits end here, and the only thing I can think of after watching the diagnostic output and stepping through the source of the driver is that the driver is not reading the values for the card from the right address.. the 6b50 value that your driver is testing is in the output from el3-diag right where it should be, however if you notice the dmesg output, when it tries to get that value it find some random word lying around, nothing even close to 6b50. I am thinking that perhaps whatever method is being used to determine the settings in el3-diag could be applied to the 3c509 driver, and perhaps things would work correctly. However, seeing as the main code in el3.c and 3c509.c is almost identical I don't know why 3c509 wouldn't work in the first place. One more note: I have no PCI Bios in my computer, no PnP other than the 3c509 and the Soundscape PnP 16 (which is removed as I told you), could this have something to do with it? Another thought that I had was that perhaps the auto probing for the card in the PnP section was somehow throwing off the rest of the ISA detection code. Well, that's all I have to say... if I've left anything out, or ommitted something, please don't hesitate to ask... I am always in proximity to my mailbox and you can reach me at either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks in advance for ANYTHING you can come up with to help the situation, and many MORE thanks if you can find a way to solve the problem. (Perhaps a solution could be producing a version of the driver that experienced users could hand edit to force the correct values per the output of el3-diag and 3c5x9 programs). Anyways, I wait expectantly for your reply, Wintermute 3c5x9setup.c:v0.04 12/11/96 Donald Becker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 3c5x9 found at 0x300. EEPROM index 0: 0060. EEPROM index 1: 97cf. EEPROM index 2: dbb2. EEPROM index 3: 9550. EEPROM index 4: bc4e. EEPROM index 5: 0036. EEPROM index 6: 4441. EEPROM index 7: 6d50. EEPROM index 8: 0090. EEPROM index 9: af00. EEPROM index 10: 0060. EEPROM index 11: 97cf. EEPROM index 12: dbb2. EEPROM index 13: 1310. EEPROM index 14: . EEPROM index 15: 393c. Model number 3c509 version 5, base I/O 0x300, IRQ 10, 10baseT port. Primary physical address is 00:60:97:cf:db:b2 Alternate physical address is 00:60:97:cf:db:b2 Character devices: 1 mem 2 pty 3 ttyp 4 ttyS 5 cua 7 vcs 10 misc 36 netlink Block devices: 3
Re: partioning disk when running windows 95
butch wrote: Hi, i have the floppies and i am getting ready to partion disk using fips and cfdisk. well i ahve started and even when going to a dos mode it seems that a win 95 is a hostile machine. i used fips and now i see that part of my disk has an unreconiable format. does anyone have ideas? allan If you are viewing your partition table under Win95 this is normal as Win95 does not recognize Linux partition types (neither does DOS FDISK for that matter). The only important thing is that you can still use cfdisk to partition the space you freed up with FIPS as Linux. Remember, FIPS non-destructively repartitions the drive, so in essence it shrinks the size of an existing OS partition leaving the free portions without a partition type at all. To use this space you MUST use a Linux fdisk to partition the free space, Win95 and DOS will not be able to see the partition and even after repartition the space with a Linux FDISK, they will still report the partition type as unknown. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Possible bug or flaw detected.
George Bonser wrote: Just curious, have you tried the modprobe yet? George Bonser Debian/GNU Linux See http://www.debian.org Linux ... It isn't just for breakfast anymore! Sure did and no luck. Same message: init_module: Device or resource busy. But if you look at my configs attached to my original message you can see that nothing should be using it. Also since I set the debug level to 9 in the driver, at boot (right after the HD detection) a message comes up saying in effect 3c509 EEPROM(7) read 0x. The 0x changes from time to time from to to ff00 and so on randomly. I've looked in the driver and this message is displayed when the detection phase attempts to read data word 7 from the eeprom (which on a healthy config should be 6d50) and gets something different, which makes it skip the detection process for that card (since it thinks the card isn't a 3c509 card) and therein lies the problem. But you'll notice in the output from el3-diag that the value is indeed there at the top line of word values, and even in the Window x output lines. Counting from the left and starting with the first word as 0, the 7th word would be 6d50.. so it IS there, the driver is just not reading it properly. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Possible bug or flaw detected.
A. M. Varon wrote: Hi, hmmm, since the cards works with the other computers, then therefore there is no problem with the card. I'm convinced that the driver of 3c509 is the culprit of your computer(exotic?) hardware. It does'nt detect your hardware setup. For a more simple solution could you check your BIOS settings? you could disable shadow support (linux does'nt use it anyway.), APM, etc. the likes. Maybe, JUST maybe it will work this time. I'm a step ahead (I am really QUICK aren't I?). I reconfigured my BIOS thinking that perhaps something in there was responsible for this problem. I turned off all cacheing, all shadow, set chip options for the most standard I could find. No go. I do not have APM, PCI Bios 32, or PnP of any kind. When you think of my machine, think flat 486, not many options for anything. My AMI BIOS is only concerned with the basics of PC configuration (hardware, chipset, and runtime preferences (IE Numlock on Bootup, Typematic rate, etc)). I am convinced it just may be the driver. Perhaps it needs a bit of retailoring to find a more generic and reliable method for detecting the 3c509 cards. Becker willing, we may just have a solution for a LOT of the 3c509 problems everyone has with this card. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: cu connects to PnP modem ok, but no response for AT
Charles Read wrote: Earlier, I reported that: # cu --speed 115200 ---line /dev/ttyS1 cu: open (/dev/ttyS1): Permission denied cu: /dev/ttyS1: Line in use To fix this, I did: # vigr [added my user name to the 'dialout' group] # newgrp dialout Then: # cu --speed 115200 --line /dev/ttyS1 Connected [here I type atf, which is not echoed] cu: write: I/O error Disconnected # I've tried using the minicom setup, but the dialout there doesn't work either. Ditto for dip. Why doesn't my modem, once connected, accept commands from keyboard input? Regards, Charles I know this may seem silly (especially since someone else commented that the cua devices are no longer used they are only there for compatibility reasons) buuut... Give a try using /dev/cua1 instead of /dev/ttyS1 and see what happens. I use /dev/cua1 at work on a dial-out box and have never had a problem with it. (I was almost certain that ttySx's were dial-in while cuax's were dial-out... hmmm.. weird. Of course, as it goes, either device you would think should perform the same task) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Possible bug or flaw detected.
George Bonser wrote: There is something that bothers me about your stance that there is something wrong with the driver ... surely this woudl have been exposed before. Are you the only 486 running a 509? You yourself say that the same hardware works fine on another machine with the same driver. This leads me to believe that there is something odd going on here. can you email me a copy of your /usr/src/linux/.config file that reflects the current state of the kernel that you have installed and running? On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: Per your request my .config, also included the dmesg output from my previous build with the 3c509 compiled in, and a dmesg output from the current build with 3c509 built as a module. (dmesg and dmesg_mod respectively). I would LOVE for someone to prove me wrong about this, and show me some little detail I've overlooked. In fact if it means I'll be able to get the ether going (which means I can finally take a crack at getting Linux to use the RoadRunner Cablemodem service I just got which was my next thing to do after getting a new 7G HD and installing Debian on my home system (finally, and with 5G of space all to itself to spare for any contingency as compared to the measely little 540M HD which would only have been able to provide about 200M for Linux as Win95 is eating up the rest)) I would WELCOME being humbled. I would thank you and ask for seconds on that humble-pie. Console: 16 point font, 400 scans Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63) Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 3.06 BogoMIPS Memory: 31196k/32768k available (504k kernel code, 384k reserved, 684k data) This processor honours the WP bit even when in supervisor mode. Good. Swansea University Computer Society NET3.035 for Linux 2.0 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.13 for Linux NET3.035. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.034 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_5.6.0 initialized Checking 386/387 coupling... Ok, fpu using exception 16 error reporting. Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok. Linux version 2.0.29 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.1) #12 Tue Nov 25 22:34:09 EST 1997 Real Time Clock Driver v1.07 hda: Maxtor 87000A8, 6679MB w/256kB Cache, LBA, CHS=851/255/63 hdb: probing with STATUS instead of ALTSTATUS hdb: probing with STATUS instead of ALTSTATUS hdc: CD-ROM CDR_S112, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 md driver 0.35 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 Partition check: hda:Started kswapd v 1.4.2.2 hda1 hda2 hda3 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Adding Swap: 32124k swap-space 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A tty02 at 0x03e8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A Console: 16 point font, 400 scans Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63) Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 3.06 BogoMIPS Memory: 31196k/32768k available (504k kernel code, 384k reserved, 684k data) This processor honours the WP bit even when in supervisor mode. Good. Swansea University Computer Society NET3.035 for Linux 2.0 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.13 for Linux NET3.035. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.034 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_5.6.0 initialized Checking 386/387 coupling... Ok, fpu using exception 16 error reporting. Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok. Linux version 2.0.29 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.1) #12 Tue Nov 25 22:34:09 EST 1997 Real Time Clock Driver v1.07 hda: Maxtor 87000A8, 6679MB w/256kB Cache, LBA, CHS=851/255/63 hdb: probing with STATUS instead of ALTSTATUS hdb: probing with STATUS instead of ALTSTATUS hdc: CD-ROM CDR_S112, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 md driver 0.35 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 Partition check: hda:Started kswapd v 1.4.2.2 hda1 hda2 hda3 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Adding Swap: 32124k swap-space 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. 3c509 EEPROM word 7 0x. Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A tty02 at 0x03e8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A # # Automatically generated by make menuconfig: don't edit # # # Code maturity level options # CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y # # Loadable module support # CONFIG_MODULES=y CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y CONFIG_KERNELD=y # # General setup # # CONFIG_MATH_EMULATION is not set CONFIG_NET=y # CONFIG_MAX_16M is not set # CONFIG_PCI is not set # CONFIG_MCA is not set CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=m CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_JAVA=m CONFIG_KERNEL_ELF=y CONFIG_M586=y CONFIG_BIGPHYS_AREA=y
3c509 Detection problem. Experienced user needs assistance.
I'm not new to Linux by any means, and I've read my eyes raw looking for ways in which to get my 3c509b ISA PnP ethernet card to work under Linux. I have installed many of these same cards on our Linux boxes at work with no problem, however this one is a doozy. These are the ways in which I've configured it so far: PnP enabled, driver built into the 2.0.30 kernel, reserve= and/or ether= commands at the Lilo boot prompt. PnP disabled, driver built into the 2.0.30 kernel, reserve= and/or ether= commands at the Lilo boot prompt. PnP enabled, driver built as a module for the 2.0.30 kernel, io= and/or irq= commands at the insmod command line and in conf.modules. PnP disabled, driver built as a module for the 2.0.30 kernel, io= and/or irq= commands at the insmod command line and in conf.modules. The card works under Win95 in both PnP and non-PnP modes. The card is configured for I/O base 0x300, and IRQ 10 (both free and clear so no conflicts.. looking in /proc/interrupts and /proc/ioports confirms this). IO 0x300 and IRQ 10 are pretty standard so I don't forsee any problems there. Thinking that my cheap Reveal Ensoniq Soundscape ripoff may be the culprit I yanked it from the system and tried the above methods again with NO success. Here's the kicker.. brace yourselves When I have run the el3-diag and 3c5x9 diagnostic/configuration programs under Linux (also written by Becker, the god of ethernet) they find the card just fine AND they confirm that my settings are indeed as listed above. When attempting to 'insmod 3c509' (with AND without the io= and irq= options) I get this message: init_module: Device or resource busy. But it can't be because NOTHING is using it And just in case you're wondering what my setup is: 5x86 133MHZ AMD 32M Ram (SIMMs) Cirrus Logic GD5426 SVGA Zoom 28.8 V.34i Fax/Modem CMD EIDE VLB Dual Port IDE controller Maxtor 7G EIDE drive (Diamond Series) Torisan 16x IDE/ATAPI CDROM Some intrinsics: 3 Serial ports all registered at the appropriate places: 3f8, 2f8, 3e8 (IRQ's 4,3,4 respectively) IDE controller using IRQ 14,15 and IO base 0x1F0 AMI BIOS REV July 1994 NO PnP BIOS NO PCI BIOS 1 LPT port at 378 as usual. I challenge anyone to step up and take a swing at this. Lord knows I've given it my absolute best shot. The only thing I could hope for is that someone could tell me how to hard code the 3c509 driver to force initialization at my specified IO/IRQ settings, or convince Becker to release manually editable 3c509.c source code. I'm all out of answers here. Anyone with something to try please don't hesitate to send it my way. Who knows, it may go a long way in helping alot of other people with the same problem. One other thing: I have been thinking that perhaps the Device or resource busy. message might not be a result of the driver, but something else in the kernel, or something misconfigured on the system (the usual suspects IE: permissions, a missing dev, etc...) but I know I'm reaching. I am running Debian 1.3.1 Official released by LSL. It's a stock install with no modifications other than a standard kernel compile after install. Lots of luck gentlemen. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 3c509 Detection problem. Experienced user needs assistance.
Ben Gertzfield wrote: Make sure you don't have another icky Plug and Pray device assigned to the same IRQ / ioport -- they sneak in when you least expect it. Got you there. Not counting the 3c509b (which PnP is currently disabled on), there are NO other PnP cards in my system (as I mentioned in the system specs). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 3c509 Detection problem. Experienced user needs assistance.
A. M. Varon wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Wintermute wrote: I'm not new to Linux by any means, and I've read my eyes raw looking for ways in which to get my 3c509b ISA PnP ethernet card to work under Linux. hi Wintermute, Some tips: Could you try to initialize the 3c509b ISA card under DOS? Remove the PnP feature. And try to hard boot the computer after you set the settings, In my experience... a soft reboot sometimes is not effective. Did that as instructed in other messages to mailing lists and as listed in the directions that come with the 3c5x9cfg.exe tool under DOS. (I'm rather quick in that respect :) ) Try to compile a kernel where the 3c509b card is not a module, but is compiled in the kernel. I already mentioned that I had in the list of things I've tried in my previous message. In the 3c509b DOS setup... try to force it to use RJ-45 (if you are using a UTP) or coax (if you are using... well, a coax.). There is no choice to do this in the setup utility as there is only a TPO (RJ45) capability for the card (and the configuration program tell me so when I attempt such a thing). And one more thing, type dmesg | more and see if the kernel did detect a 3c509b PnP card. Nope, sure doesn't, and I've rebooted my kernel enough time in the past 3 days to force at least 2 maximal mount count checks, too. In my workplace, I have three linux box with a 3c509b PnP cards. All works perfectly. Same here... all my Linux boxes at work (5 total) use the same card I use here at home. That's why I'm so frustrated as to why this won't work. Makes me want to look over my shoulder and see if Rod Serling is standing there Mail me again if it works. Well, I'm mailing you anyways. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
