Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 23:05:13 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 12:35:59PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: >> I swear to Christ, when I was in France, I said to myself: PLEASE GOD >> PLEASE get me back to my land of 500 channels of pablum, my 24-hour >> Walmart, my drivethroughs, my land of fakeness and commercials and >> wackiness, because I can't stand this 3rd-world country any more! > > Reminds me of a self-deprecating joke I heard in Canada once. "Canada > could have been good. It could have had British culture, French > cuisine and American technology. Instead, it got American culture, > British cuisine and French technology." > Reminds me of a very old list of the shortest books in the world. From memory, and I'm missing a lot: The American Book Of Good Taste The French Book Of Military Victories The Irish Book Of Knowledge The German Book Of Humour The Italian Book Of War Heroes The British Book Of Bloodless Post-Colonial Pullouts There. That should pretty much offend everybody. :> -- paul It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer. -- Sun System & Network Admin manual -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
On February 20, 2004 02:05, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 12:35:59PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > > I swear to Christ, when I was in France, I said to myself: PLEASE > > GOD PLEASE get me back to my land of 500 channels of pablum, my > > 24-hour Walmart, my drivethroughs, my land of fakeness and > > commercials and wackiness, because I can't stand this 3rd-world > > country any more! > > Reminds me of a self-deprecating joke I heard in Canada once. > "Canada could have been good. It could have had British culture, > French cuisine and American technology. Instead, it got American > culture, British cuisine and French technology." That's not quite right, or at least not the one I grew up with. The one I knew of was: "Canada could have had American entrepreneurialism, British Government and French culture" (apparently this was back when French culture was something people actually wanted, but I guess that would include cuisine). "Instead, it got British entrepreneurialism (this has to be a joke from the 70s...), French government and American culture". -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://members.rogers.com/dpjames/ There is no art which one government sooner learns of another than that of draining money from the pockets of the people. -Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 02:40:55AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > those books, I didn't see any superiority between any culture in terms > of maths, or types of maths. Mathematics is one in the sense that it describes the same reality. The approach to it may be different. No claim of superiority. Only a statement of difference. A floating ball can be approached from below or from above, and then in the space any human sense of up and down disappears, as so many other things. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 05:27:02AM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote: > I have heard that joke too. There is a similarity between the Russian > technology and the French technology. The west was surprised when the > Russians put the sputnik in the skies. When taken care of can be > amazingly powerful and good. This is related to the abstract thinking > versus hands-on, concrete thinking. Compare books in higher > mathematics written by French, Russians, Germans, American, British, > etc. A pattern can be seen. I recently learned a lot more about the connections between German culture and "White Russian" (i.e. Beloruss? and Moscow). During the Tatars / Mongols -- 1000s, it was all sort of one thing. I knew up until the very late 1800s there was no such concept as "Italy" or "Germany" -- only the concept of Italianess or Germanness. But, to your point, are you claiming that "French technology is good" ? I've no opinion, but you seem to say Russian and France tech. is similar, and you say Russian is good. I guess I agree about Russ. tech. In college I read math texts in Russian, French, and German as well as English -- once you learn a few terms you can follow even if you can't read the language proper. While I would definitely say one's mathematical education would be woefully incomplete without reading all those books, I didn't see any superiority between any culture in terms of maths, or types of maths. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 11:05:13PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > Reminds me of a self-deprecating joke I heard in Canada once. "Canada > could have been good. It could have had British culture, French > cuisine and American technology. Instead, it got American culture, > British cuisine and French technology." > I have heard that joke too. There is a similarity between the Russian technology and the French technology. The west was surprised when the Russians put the sputnik in the skies. When taken care of can be amazingly powerful and good. This is related to the abstract thinking versus hands-on, concrete thinking. Compare books in higher mathematics written by French, Russians, Germans, American, British, etc. A pattern can be seen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 12:35:59PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: > I swear to Christ, when I was in France, I said to myself: PLEASE GOD > PLEASE get me back to my land of 500 channels of pablum, my 24-hour > Walmart, my drivethroughs, my land of fakeness and commercials and > wackiness, because I can't stand this 3rd-world country any more! Reminds me of a self-deprecating joke I heard in Canada once. "Canada could have been good. It could have had British culture, French cuisine and American technology. Instead, it got American culture, British cuisine and French technology." - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :http://ursine.ca/ `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFANbGpUzgNqloQMwcRAu1yAKDMdlnrU2CvdQN+a7m7jlu6WE5xhwCgwtG0 IfgsPYk8LOAZbUkNpgEi5UU= =fr5Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 01:12:25PM -0700, CW Harris wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 11:14:36AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 02:02:53PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote:
> > > Nice of you not to mention the {W} really embarrassing stuff. :)
> >
> > That's OK. It's 2004. The people will vote their own regime change
> > soon enough. I fear W may be a petty tyrant and refuse to step down,
> > however.
>
> Didn't we start with trying to get away from King George? :>
Maybe it's a sign. Our government really didn't scale or age all that
well past about 100 million people.
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Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:07:21 -0800, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > Well, like I said, I fear it might not be a movie, but what's on > > Northwest Cable News. > > Sad part is people said the same about Clinton. I wasn't old enough > to care if the same was said about Bush, Reagan or Carter before him. ..well, it worked with Nixon's silly little lies on Watergate 1. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 10:39:44AM -0700, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Marty Landman: > > At 02:37 PM 2/18/2004, s. keeling wrote: > > > > >Of course, there's a lot of people from where I'm from who would dispute > > >the suggestion that English is spoken anywhere in the US. > > > > Heh. Just shows how jealous they all are of what we've managed to do with > > it since taking it over 200+ years ago. :) > > As in KMart, Kwikee-Mart, Walmart, KTel, garnished [sic] wages, and > PATRIOT Act? :-P "Doh!" I swear to Christ, when I was in France, I said to myself: PLEASE GOD PLEASE get me back to my land of 500 channels of pablum, my 24-hour Walmart, my drivethroughs, my land of fakeness and commercials and wackiness, because I can't stand this 3rd-world country any more! I felt like I'd stepped ten years into the past, in terms of technologies and creature comforts. But that's just me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 11:14:36AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 02:02:53PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote:
> > Nice of you not to mention the {W} really embarrassing stuff. :)
>
> That's OK. It's 2004. The people will vote their own regime change
> soon enough. I fear W may be a petty tyrant and refuse to step down,
> however.
Didn't we start with trying to get away from King George? :>
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Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
Paul Johnson wrote: > Well, like I said, I fear it might not be a movie, but what's on > Northwest Cable News. Sad part is people said the same about Clinton. I wasn't old enough to care if the same was said about Bush, Reagan or Carter before him. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 02:32:41PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote: > >I fear W may be a petty tyrant and refuse to step down, however. > > Hah, funny. Nice plot idea for Arnold Schwarzenegger's next film, huh? Well, like I said, I fear it might not be a movie, but what's on Northwest Cable News. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :http://ursine.ca/ `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFANRMjUzgNqloQMwcRAqg4AJ9/Mg2a8aiYNJmKMiSWpAAf226FIgCfUXhU Zk0C/PpYDSSGi8rjbJvcT1k= =/ccw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 02:14 PM 2/19/2004, Paul Johnson wrote: The people will vote their own regime change soon enough. From your mouth to God's ear, Paul. I fear W may be a petty tyrant and refuse to step down, however. Hah, funny. Nice plot idea for Arnold Schwarzenegger's next film, huh? Marty Landman Face 2 Interface Inc 845-679-9387 This Month's New Quiz --- Past Superbowl Winners Make a Website: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 02:02:53PM -0500, Marty Landman wrote:
> Nice of you not to mention the {W} really embarrassing stuff. :)
That's OK. It's 2004. The people will vote their own regime change
soon enough. I fear W may be a petty tyrant and refuse to step down,
however.
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Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
At 12:39 PM 2/19/2004, s. keeling wrote:
Incoming from Marty Landman:
>
> Heh. Just shows how jealous they all are of what we've managed to do with
> it since taking it over 200+ years ago. :)
As in KMart, Kwikee-Mart, Walmart, KTel, garnished [sic] wages, and
PATRIOT Act? :-P "Doh!"
Nice of you not to mention the {W} really embarrassing stuff. :)
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Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
Incoming from Marty Landman: > At 02:37 PM 2/18/2004, s. keeling wrote: > > >Of course, there's a lot of people from where I'm from who would dispute > >the suggestion that English is spoken anywhere in the US. > > Heh. Just shows how jealous they all are of what we've managed to do with > it since taking it over 200+ years ago. :) As in KMart, Kwikee-Mart, Walmart, KTel, garnished [sic] wages, and PATRIOT Act? :-P "Doh!" -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 02:37 PM 2/18/2004, s. keeling wrote: Marty called him on it and noted English is not necessary in Brooklyn, a subset of the US, thereby disproving Paul's assumption. Provided we really consider Brooklyn a proper subset of the US; this was still the subject of much heated debate at the time I hung up my sneakers and hooded sweatjacket and left. When I read Marty's reply, it seemed more a play on the idea that Brooklyn-ites don't actually speak English. Thank you. Of course, there's a lot of people from where I'm from who would dispute the suggestion that English is spoken anywhere in the US. Heh. Just shows how jealous they all are of what we've managed to do with it since taking it over 200+ years ago. :) Marty Landman Face 2 Interface Inc 845-679-9387 This Month's New Quiz --- Past Superbowl Winners Make a Website: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:37:06PM -0700, s. keeling wrote: > Ah. You're mixing up "subset" and "superset." Paul said you can't > make it in the US, which includes the subset Brooklyn. Take all the major multilingual cities combined and it still comes up to up to something like 1% of the country geographically, tops (just off the top of my head). Even in Portland, where Spanish, Russian, Korean, Japanese and Old German are spoken, English is the only common denominator. > When I read Marty's reply, it seemed more a play on the idea that > Brooklyn-ites don't actually speak English. Well, not so much as they chew on the language and spit it back out, but you can at least understand what they're saying the vast majority of the time. > Of course, there's a lot of people from where I'm from who would > dispute the suggestion that English is spoken anywhere in the US. I > imagine the British might go even farther and say anywhere outside > the former British Empire. It's still more or less an empire, they've just delegated the vast majority of day-to-day business to the respective commonwealths. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' :http://ursine.ca/ `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian. Because it *must* work. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAM8d+UzgNqloQMwcRAiMJAKDd2Dp968NKHpwqb/XgNuyddTWD1ACfSTEP vDSQxvbXvqdPDuYqc8wbDmY= =o+FR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
s. keeling wrote: When I read Marty's reply, it seemed more a play on the idea that Brooklyn-ites don't actually speak English. Of course, there's a lot of people from where I'm from who would dispute the suggestion that English is spoken anywhere in the US. I imagine the British might go even farther and say anywhere outside the former British Empire. Now you're the one confusing the two as, if I remember correctly, a portion of the US *was* part of the former British Empire. :P -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Bonjour - WAY WAY OT!
Incoming from Steve Lamb: > Marty Landman wrote: > >At 01:01 PM 2/18/2004, Paul Johnson wrote: > >>you just can't make it without English in the US. > >I don't know about that Paul; growing up in Brooklyn seemed to me like > >everyone did quite nicely thank you. > > I was unaware that Brooklyn was considered the whole of the United > States. Ah. You're mixing up "subset" and "superset." Paul said you can't make it in the US, which includes the subset Brooklyn. Marty called him on it and noted English is not necessary in Brooklyn, a subset of the US, thereby disproving Paul's assumption. When I read Marty's reply, it seemed more a play on the idea that Brooklyn-ites don't actually speak English. Of course, there's a lot of people from where I'm from who would dispute the suggestion that English is spoken anywhere in the US. I imagine the British might go even farther and say anywhere outside the former British Empire. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
