After the Libc6 Fiasco

2011-06-12 Thread David Baron
Luckily, using the live-CD, I was able to download and re-install the 
testing packages for libc6 and friends and finally get my system working 
again.

OK:
1. Unstable can sometimes get broken. I accept that.
2. However, libc6 stuff is so critical that any upgrade posted must be 
installable and operational. Some folks might not recover.

OK, now much of the x-windows related packages are dependent on the latest 
libc6 stuff on Sid. As I found out, mixing this stuff will crash X.

Since the current packages only partially installed last attempt, I am afraid 
to upgrade any of this now. What is the status in reality?


Re: After the Libc6 Fiasco

2011-06-12 Thread Jochen Schulz
David Baron:

 Luckily, using the live-CD, I was able to download and re-install the 
 testing packages for libc6 and friends and finally get my system working 
 again.

What problem are you referring to? The breakage from the missing
symlinks on amd64? That issue has been fixed some weeks ago.

 OK:
 1. Unstable can sometimes get broken. I accept that.
 2. However, libc6 stuff is so critical that any upgrade posted must be 
 installable and operational. Some folks might not recover.

Then they shouldn't run unstable. :)

 Since the current packages only partially installed last attempt, I am afraid 
 to upgrade any of this now. What is the status in reality?

Works for me (on amd64). What's your specific problem? Which version are
you on, which do you try to install and how does it fail?

J.
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Re: After the Libc6 Fiasco

2011-06-12 Thread David Baron
   David Baron:
  Luckily, using the live-CD, I was able to download and re-install the 
  testing packages for libc6 and friends and finally get my system
  working  again.
 
 What problem are you referring to? The breakage from the missing
 symlinks on amd64? That issue has been fixed some weeks ago.

The problem was flagged as a bug and then no longer appeared. Partial 
installation. The error message I got was that an alleged non-dpkg-owned 
library was present, too dangerous to update. However, some of the packages 
were indeed updated. The resulting mix was not operational for x-windows and 
some other less critical programs.

I am running 686 (32-bit) on a P4.

(Since half these files are symlinks, missing symlinks in such critical 
packages are inexcusable, I think, but that was not my problem.)

 
  OK:
  1. Unstable can sometimes get broken. I accept that.
  2. However, libc6 stuff is so critical that any upgrade posted must be 
  installable and operational. Some folks might not recover.
 
 Then they shouldn't run unstable. :)
Yup. But they already had it installed and running without much ado for ages.

 
  Since the current packages only partially installed last attempt, I am
  afraid  to upgrade any of this now. What is the status in reality?
 
 Works for me (on amd64). What's your specific problem? Which version are
 you on, which do you try to install and how does it fail?

I supposed I could try again. Since I manually dpkg-downgraded to the testing 
packages, there should really be no non-dpkg library around. Since I had to 
fix this stuff manually a long while back, maybe there was some file I copied 
to /lib. Still, should have given me the choice to abort all of it or go 
ahead. Worst case would have been no worse.

If it fails to totally install again, I still have the testing packages to 
which to downgrade immediately this time. I would only touch the x-stuff if it 
succeeds since their dependencies on the libc6 and friends are critical. Or 
maybe wait till the next upgrade?