Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 10:45:30AM -0600, Shyamal Prasad wrote: Rob == Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rob On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:34:46AM -0600, Shyamal Prasad Rob wrote: This really should go in the user manual or something. Rob I'm fairly sure this is documented in both Osamu's Debian Rob Quick Reference, and Will's NewbieDoc. Either people are Rob unaware of them or refuse to read them... As far as I can tell it is not documented in Osamu's Debian Quick Reference Guide (at least not the one at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/quick-reference.en.html which is all I know about). Oh, ok. Either I'm imagining things, or it possibly is only in the latest version available from http://qref.sf.net/ I had never heard of Will's Newbie doc, but google finally led me to http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/cdrw/index-debian-cdrw.html which is exactly what people want for the most part, but it does not discuss the /etc/modutils/ approach that IMHO works extremely well with the modular 2.4.x kernels. Ah, that's a good point. When I get some time (after my travel this month on work) I will make an attempt to write a chapter and submit it somewhere appropriate. Definitely. Both Will and Osamu are very eager to take contributions, so certainly submit it to one or both of them :) -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ertius.org/ msg30069/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:34:46AM -0600, Shyamal Prasad wrote: Thomas == Thomas Nyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Hi Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can Thomas someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom Thomas burner working with ide-scsi emulation If you are using a standard Debian kernel this is quite easy to do once you figure out how the modular kernels are structured. Try the archives, for example (to quote myself ;-): http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg03316.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg05280.html This really should go in the user manual or something. I'm fairly sure this is documented in both Osamu's Debian Quick Reference, and Will's NewbieDoc. Either people are unaware of them or refuse to read them... -rob msg29658/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
Rob == Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rob On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:34:46AM -0600, Shyamal Prasad Rob wrote: This really should go in the user manual or something. Rob I'm fairly sure this is documented in both Osamu's Debian Rob Quick Reference, and Will's NewbieDoc. Either people are Rob unaware of them or refuse to read them... As far as I can tell it is not documented in Osamu's Debian Quick Reference Guide (at least not the one at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/quick-reference.en.html which is all I know about). I had never heard of Will's Newbie doc, but google finally led me to http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/cdrw/index-debian-cdrw.html which is exactly what people want for the most part, but it does not discuss the /etc/modutils/ approach that IMHO works extremely well with the modular 2.4.x kernels. When I get some time (after my travel this month on work) I will make an attempt to write a chapter and submit it somewhere appropriate. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 06:23:31PM +1100, frank wrote: On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:43 am, Pigeon wrote: On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 09:17:56PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 10:11:27PM +0100, Peppe wrote: Be always sure you DON'T have compiled your kernel with the ATAPI CDROM support... So this means not to include ide-cd module? How does one get to the second, non-burner CD ROM? I have a funny CD-ROM drive that doesn't work properly under ide-scsi emulation. So I have both ide-scsi and ide-cd modules, and set my kernel boot parameters to include hdb=ide-cd hdc=ide-scsi Which seems to work OK. I've used it with 2.4.18 and 2.4.20 kernels (my own builds). If you have a non-weird CD-ROM, you can just run both as ide-scsi. Pigeon I dont even do that. I have 'options ide-cd ignore /dev/hdd' in a file called my_crap in /etc/modutils/, and in /etc/modules I list ide-cd before ide-scsi. (and ran update-modules after the edit) Seems to work on a 2.4.5 and 2.4.19 kernel. The reason I use ide-cd for the reader is that I cant rip CD's using ide-scsi, not sure if this is normal. That's exactly why I do it. I think it depends on the age of the CD-ROM. My CD-ROM is a 44-speed from when 44-speed drives were quite new and the box I was putting it in was a 486. It uses the mmc2 revision of SCSI emulation. I've tried a couple of other drives which use the later mmc3 and they rip OK as ide-scsi. So maybe this is the cause, although I haven't been able to try any other mmc2 drives to confirm it. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:43 am, Pigeon wrote: On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 09:17:56PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 10:11:27PM +0100, Peppe wrote: Be always sure you DON'T have compiled your kernel with the ATAPI CDROM support... So this means not to include ide-cd module? How does one get to the second, non-burner CD ROM? I have a funny CD-ROM drive that doesn't work properly under ide-scsi emulation. So I have both ide-scsi and ide-cd modules, and set my kernel boot parameters to include hdb=ide-cd hdc=ide-scsi Which seems to work OK. I've used it with 2.4.18 and 2.4.20 kernels (my own builds). If you have a non-weird CD-ROM, you can just run both as ide-scsi. Pigeon I dont even do that. I have 'options ide-cd ignore /dev/hdd' in a file called my_crap in /etc/modutils/, and in /etc/modules I list ide-cd before ide-scsi. (and ran update-modules after the edit) Seems to work on a 2.4.5 and 2.4.19 kernel. The reason I use ide-cd for the reader is that I cant rip CD's using ide-scsi, not sure if this is normal. cheers, frank -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
Elijah wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 04:51, Bob Nielsen wrote: On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:34:46AM -0600, Shyamal Prasad wrote: Thomas == Thomas Nyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Hi Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can Thomas someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom Thomas burner working with ide-scsi emulation If you are using a standard Debian kernel this is quite easy to do once you figure out how the modular kernels are structured. Try the archives, for example (to quote myself ;-): http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg03316.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg05280.html This really should go in the user manual or something. YMMV, but in my case all I needed to do was include ide-scsi in /etc/modules (kernel-image-2.4.20-686). I do it by using modconf and adding ide-scsi emulation from the menu ;) then I add the line in lilo.conf. reboot. Maybe, instead: add the line in lilo.conf, RUN LILO, reboot ^^^ Paul Elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
Thomas == Thomas Nyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Hi Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can Thomas someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom Thomas burner working with ide-scsi emulation If you are using a standard Debian kernel this is quite easy to do once you figure out how the modular kernels are structured. Try the archives, for example (to quote myself ;-): http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg03316.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg05280.html This really should go in the user manual or something. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:34:46AM -0600, Shyamal Prasad wrote: Thomas == Thomas Nyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Hi Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can Thomas someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom Thomas burner working with ide-scsi emulation If you are using a standard Debian kernel this is quite easy to do once you figure out how the modular kernels are structured. Try the archives, for example (to quote myself ;-): http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg03316.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg05280.html This really should go in the user manual or something. YMMV, but in my case all I needed to do was include ide-scsi in /etc/modules (kernel-image-2.4.20-686). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 04:51, Bob Nielsen wrote: On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:34:46AM -0600, Shyamal Prasad wrote: Thomas == Thomas Nyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thomas Hi Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can Thomas someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom Thomas burner working with ide-scsi emulation If you are using a standard Debian kernel this is quite easy to do once you figure out how the modular kernels are structured. Try the archives, for example (to quote myself ;-): http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg03316.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg05280.html This really should go in the user manual or something. YMMV, but in my case all I needed to do was include ide-scsi in /etc/modules (kernel-image-2.4.20-686). I do it by using modconf and adding ide-scsi emulation from the menu ;) then I add the line in lilo.conf. reboot. Elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
Yes: I have 2 atapi cd drives: - IDE cd-rw: /dev/scd0 - IDE cd-rom: /dev/scd1 to get to the second just mount /dev/sc0 /cdrom (or your mount point for cdrom) So this means not to include ide-cd module? How does one get to the second, non-burner CD ROM? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
Bob == Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:34:46AM -0600, Shyamal Prasad Bob wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg03316.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200211/msg05280.html This really should go in the user manual or something. Bob YMMV, but in my case all I needed to do was include ide-scsi Bob in /etc/modules (kernel-image-2.4.20-686). Good advice. This is usually all you need if you are prepared to have all the IDE CD drives on your machine under ide-scsi. In my case I have a DVD ROM drive that I want available as a IDE drive, and a CD-RW device that I wanted under ide-scsi. Cheers! Shyamal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 09:17:56PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 10:11:27PM +0100, Peppe wrote: Be always sure you DON'T have compiled your kernel with the ATAPI CDROM support... So this means not to include ide-cd module? How does one get to the second, non-burner CD ROM? I have a funny CD-ROM drive that doesn't work properly under ide-scsi emulation. So I have both ide-scsi and ide-cd modules, and set my kernel boot parameters to include hdb=ide-cd hdc=ide-scsi Which seems to work OK. I've used it with 2.4.18 and 2.4.20 kernels (my own builds). If you have a non-weird CD-ROM, you can just run both as ide-scsi. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
Hi Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom burner working with ide-scsi emulation Thanks Thomas My GnuPG key id is 4DCAF083 Protect your right to privacy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Saturday 01 February 2003 21:24, Thomas Nyman wrote: Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom burner working with ide-scsi emulation You just have to use the kernel parameter hdc=scsi (add it to your append line in lilo.conf) and load the ide-scsi module. If you're running a custom kernel make sure you have SCSI generic support enabled either built-in or as a module. -- Got Backup? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
Hi I tried to enable ide-scsi emulation but it doesnt work..there is no such module found. I installed woody basically with defaults...so I'm kind of lost as to what to do. --On lördag, februari 01, 2003 22.08.30 +0100 Nicos Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 01 February 2003 21:24, Thomas Nyman wrote: Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom burner working with ide-scsi emulation You just have to use the kernel parameter hdc=scsi (add it to your append line in lilo.conf) and load the ide-scsi module. If you're running a custom kernel make sure you have SCSI generic support enabled either built-in or as a module. -- Got Backup? My GnuPG key id is 4DCAF083 Protect your right to privacy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
Hmm... dunno if that =scsi part works. I've always used =ide-scsi. This loads the module for me automagically. The module should be (for 2.4 kernels) /lib/modules/2.4.??/kernel/drivers/scsi/ide-scsi.o If the module really isn't found, try installing the kernel-image appropriate for your system, it's a good idea anyway. You'll get some CPU opt's at the same time. hth, /johan Thomas Nyman wrote: Hi I tried to enable ide-scsi emulation but it doesnt work..there is no such module found. I installed woody basically with defaults...so I'm kind of lost as to what to do. --On lördag, februari 01, 2003 22.08.30 +0100 Nicos Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 01 February 2003 21:24, Thomas Nyman wrote: Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom burner working with ide-scsi emulation You just have to use the kernel parameter hdc=scsi (add it to your append line in lilo.conf) and load the ide-scsi module. If you're running a custom kernel make sure you have SCSI generic support enabled either built-in or as a module. -- Got Backup? My GnuPG key id is 4DCAF083 Protect your right to privacy -- Johan Ehnberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows? No... I don't think so. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 09:24:57PM +0100, Thomas Nyman wrote: Am an old SuSEr that has just switched to Debian. Can someone give me a helping hand getting hy hdc cd-rom burner working with ide-scsi emulation SuSE does it differently than every other distro? -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system msg28056/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 10:11:27PM +0100, Peppe wrote: Be always sure you DON'T have compiled your kernel with the ATAPI CDROM support... So this means not to include ide-cd module? How does one get to the second, non-burner CD ROM? -- .''`. Baloo [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian admin and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system msg28057/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CD Burner and ide-scsi emulation
I usually do it by adding append=hdd=ide-scsi to the /etc/lilo.conf right after going to /dev/ then do MAKEDEV -v scd0. Then reboot and run xcdroast. Elijah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
