Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500

2020-07-31 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 08:40:48 -0500
David Wright  wrote:

> . Boot with the installation flash drive, where the kbd/mouse work,
>   and use it as your rescue system to effect the repair as outlined
>   in the reference above.

Note that edits to /lib/udev/rules.d/97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules will be
overwritten on the next upgrade to whatever package generates that
file.

The solution to that problem is to copy the file
97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/ and edit it there.

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Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500

2020-07-31 Thread David Wright
> On Thu 30 Jul 2020 at 17:56:21 (+), David wrote:
> > […] Now, when I 1st downloaded your ISO and put it on a Flash
> > Drive all was going great.  Booted up[,] lo[w] and behold my
> > Logitech worked that is until I installed/restarted.  No more Logitech.

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 02:06:08 (-0700), didier.gau...@gmail.com wrote:
> perhaps the solutions detailed here will work in your case:
>  
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/237051/undetected-logitech-mx-5500-keyboard-and-mouse

On Fri 31 Jul 2020 at 06:31:52 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:05:50 + David  wrote:
> 
> > Oh, the problem is having to find a wired kybd/mouse to even look.
> > As said wireless no longer works.

It looks as though you have two choices. Either:

. Boot with the installation flash drive, where the kbd/mouse work,
  and use it as your rescue system to effect the repair as outlined
  in the reference above.

Or:

. Boot with the installation flash drive and repeat the installation.
  Before it terminates, effect the repair as outlined above, but with
  one important change:
  Repair the file /target/lib/udev/rules.d/97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules
  rather than the file /lib/udev/rules.d/97-bluetooth-hid2hci.rules
  because /target is where your new installation is being built.

  "Before it terminates"—when is a good time? With expert non-graphical
  installation, there are several opportunities:
- Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk
- Finish the installation (clock setting)
- Finish the installation (remove installation media)
  There may be fewer occasions when using non-expert/other methods.

  At the chosen opportune time, type Alt-F2 and press Return to get a shell.
  Effect the repair.
  Type Alt-F1 (or Alt-←) to return to the installation screen.

Cheers,
David.



Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500

2020-07-31 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:05:50 +
David  wrote:

> Oh, the problem is having to find a wired kybd/mouse to even look.
> As said wireless
> no longer works.

Please reply to the list so that others can see and possibly benefit
from the exchange.

Try booting to an old Linux. If you don't have one handy, finnix
(command line only) does an excellent job for this sort of thing.
Knoppix (GUI) should also.

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Re: Debian 10.4

2020-07-31 Thread didier . gaumet


Hello,

perhaps the solutions detailed here will work in your case:
 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/237051/undetected-logitech-mx-5500-keyboard-and-mouse



Re: Debian 10.4 Logitech MX5500

2020-07-30 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:56:21 +
David  wrote:

> The issue I have with most Linux's is that the latest version will
> not let me use my Logitech MX5500 kybd/mouse.  They are wireless off
> a USB port.

If the problem occurs in multiple distributions, I would suspect a
kernel, udev, or driver issue. First question, what exactly is the USB
id?  Please plug it in to a Linux computer, and copy and paste the
results of:

lsusb | grep 046d

which you will have to run as root.

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Re: Debian 10.4

2020-07-30 Thread Richard Owlett

On 07/30/2020 12:56 PM, David wrote:
Good Day, I'm looking for another Linux, and decided to try yours.  The 
issue I have with most Linux's
is that the latest version will not let me use my Logitech MX5500 
kybd/mouse.  They are wireless off a
USB port.  Now, when I 1st downloaded your ISO and put it on a Flash 
Drive all was going great.  Booted
up low and behold my Logitech worked that is until I 
installed/restarted.  No more Logitech.  Not sure
to understand why, but Fedora & older versions of different Linux kybd 
works fine.  Is there something

I'm missing here?


David W Terbeek

PS    Not totally blind to linux, because I was in the Computer 
field for decades.  Now that I'm up there - ha ha -

     not sure what to do.  Not brain dead just getting slow.



This reply is from an antique whose introduction to computers predated 
Dartmouth BASIC.


Your problem description made me think of "non free" drivers.
*HOWEVER* a DuckDuckGo search came up with many 10 year old reports.
But searches including Debian Stretch or Buster were empty.

After decades of 'Customer Support' [admittedly in different field],
I suspect more detailed information on your platform and an
*MINUTELY exact* specification of your system *AND* keyboard/mouse will 
be required.


HTH
YMMV






Debian 10.4

2020-07-30 Thread David
Good Day, I'm looking for another Linux, and decided to try yours.  The 
issue I have with most Linux's
is that the latest version will not let me use my Logitech MX5500 
kybd/mouse.  They are wireless off a
USB port.  Now, when I 1st downloaded your ISO and put it on a Flash 
Drive all was going great.  Booted
up low and behold my Logitech worked that is until I 
installed/restarted.  No more Logitech.  Not sure
to understand why, but Fedora & older versions of different Linux kybd 
works fine.  Is there something

I'm missing here?


David W Terbeek

PSNot totally blind to linux, because I was in the Computer 
field for decades.  Now that I'm up there - ha ha -

not sure what to do.  Not brain dead just getting slow.


Re: Debian 10.4 blank screen After new install

2020-07-22 Thread David Wright
On Tue 21 Jul 2020 at 22:25:57 (-0500), Edward M Kent wrote:
> Hello All,   I am an old Nube trying to get set up to use a Beaglebone on
> some projects.  I thought I had a successful install after a list of tasks
> was displayed down the screen's left hand edge.

Those "tasks" are the bootable systems being displayed by Grub.

> The list went blank and
> left a - in the upper left corner.

After a 5 second (default) delay, unless you have struck a key, the
system boots the first system in the list.

> This curser soon disappeared leaving a
> blank screen.  The mouse cursed did show up but was a bit erratic.

If the drive is "spinning rust", you should've heard it chattering as
the OS is loaded. It sounds as if the video mode is unsatisfactory.

> I
> rebooted several times and ended back at the same place.

If you press a key during the first 5 seconds, the countdown should
stop. Some suggestions to try:

c   gives you a grub> prompt.
e   should show the contents of the menu for this line in the list.

You can move up and down the list with the arrows. It's even possible
that there are entires for Windows lower down the list.

> This is on a win10 Dell and I can not get back to win10 because I did not
> get the dual boot setup.

I'm hesitant to give you specific Grub commands off the cuff, but if
you type e at the first item in the list, you can experiment with
video modes that might work. Any changes you make in this way
only apply to this boot, so it's a safe way to experiment.

A suggestion I have seen made here in the past is to remove the line:
load_video

Another suggestion, that might be completely useless, is to add the word
  nomodeset
to the end of the line that says something like:
  linux /boot/vmlinuz… …

Others here might have better suggestions.

Cheers,
David.



Debian 10.4 blank screen After new install

2020-07-22 Thread echo test
Hello,

That blank screen means your hardware has not found the way to load your
boot partition. Verify your BIOS configuration. Try toggling between UEFI
and MBR assuming your bootable device is ok.



Le mer. 22 juil. 2020 à 05:20, Edward M Kent  a écrit :

> Hello All,   I am an old Nube trying to get set up to use a Beaglebone on
> some projects.  I thought I had a successful install after a list of tasks
> was displayed down the screen's left hand edge.  The list went blank and
> left a - in the upper left corner.  This curser soon disappeared leaving a
> blank screen.  The mouse cursed did show up but was a bit erratic.  I
> rebooted several times and ended back at the same place.
> This is on a win10 Dell and I can not get back to win10 because I did not
> get the dual boot setup.
> Thanks for any advice.
> Mick
>
>


Re: Debian 10.4 blank screen After new install

2020-07-21 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
Glad to hear it!

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 12:57, Edward M Kent  wrote:
>
> Thanks Umarzuki,  I will take your advice and make a bootable repair disk 
> tomorrow. Too late tonight.  I used f10 on reboot and now have win10.
> Mick
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 10:33 PM Umarzuki Mochlis  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 11:21, Edward M Kent  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello All,   I am an old Nube trying to get set up to use a Beaglebone on 
>> > some projects.  I thought I had a successful install after a list of tasks 
>> > was displayed down the screen's left hand edge.  The list went blank and 
>> > left a - in the upper left corner.  This curser soon disappeared leaving a 
>> > blank screen.  The mouse cursed did show up but was a bit erratic.  I 
>> > rebooted several times and ended back at the same place.
>> > This is on a win10 Dell and I can not get back to win10 because I did not 
>> > get the dual boot setup.
>> > Thanks for any advice.
>> > Mick
>> >
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Try Boot-Repair.



Re: Debian 10.4 blank screen After new install

2020-07-21 Thread Edward M Kent
Thanks Umarzuki,  I will take your advice and make a bootable repair disk
tomorrow. Too late tonight.  I used f10 on reboot and now have win10.
Mick


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 10:33 PM Umarzuki Mochlis  wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 11:21, Edward M Kent  wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,   I am an old Nube trying to get set up to use a Beaglebone
> on some projects.  I thought I had a successful install after a list of
> tasks was displayed down the screen's left hand edge.  The list went blank
> and left a - in the upper left corner.  This curser soon disappeared
> leaving a blank screen.  The mouse cursed did show up but was a bit
> erratic.  I rebooted several times and ended back at the same place.
> > This is on a win10 Dell and I can not get back to win10 because I did
> not get the dual boot setup.
> > Thanks for any advice.
> > Mick
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> Try Boot-Repair.
>


Re: Debian 10.4 blank screen After new install

2020-07-21 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 11:21, Edward M Kent  wrote:
>
> Hello All,   I am an old Nube trying to get set up to use a Beaglebone on 
> some projects.  I thought I had a successful install after a list of tasks 
> was displayed down the screen's left hand edge.  The list went blank and left 
> a - in the upper left corner.  This curser soon disappeared leaving a blank 
> screen.  The mouse cursed did show up but was a bit erratic.  I rebooted 
> several times and ended back at the same place.
> This is on a win10 Dell and I can not get back to win10 because I did not get 
> the dual boot setup.
> Thanks for any advice.
> Mick
>

Hi,

Try Boot-Repair.



Debian 10.4 blank screen After new install

2020-07-21 Thread Edward M Kent
Hello All,   I am an old Nube trying to get set up to use a Beaglebone on
some projects.  I thought I had a successful install after a list of tasks
was displayed down the screen's left hand edge.  The list went blank and
left a - in the upper left corner.  This curser soon disappeared leaving a
blank screen.  The mouse cursed did show up but was a bit erratic.  I
rebooted several times and ended back at the same place.
This is on a win10 Dell and I can not get back to win10 because I did not
get the dual boot setup.
Thanks for any advice.
Mick


Re: Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-06-08 Thread l0f4r0
Hi,

Thank you  all (with delay) for your answers.

11 mai 2020 à 19:49 de didier.gau...@gmail.com:

> Le 11/05/2020 à 19:12, l0f...@tuta.io a écrit :
>
>> Isn't proposed-updates designed to containing packages that should reach 
>> stable-updates afterward?
>>
> from what I understand (perhaps wrongly) from the above link, no, it
> would mean that stable-proposed-updates packages are bugfixes to be
> included in stable at the next point release date"...
>
> stable-updates contains bugfixes that cannot wait next point release:
> https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
>
11 mai 2020 à 23:10 de deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk:

> I think the intention is that proposed-updates is for software fixes
> that need testing before being accepted into stable, whereas
> stable-updates is for updates in information like virus patterns,
> dates when clocks change, and so on, that can go straight in.
> So most 'ornery' people will follow the latter but not the former.
>
I think we can summarize this way:
* stable: contains packages for new releases (10 currently) and new point 
releases (10.4 currently)
* stable/updates: security updates, some(/all?) of them are incorporated into 
stable-proposed-updates
* stable-proposed-updates: packages (bugfixes + SECURITY patches) that are 
being prepared for the next point release, some of them are incorporated into 
stable-updates
* stable-updates: urgent fixes

In other words, stable + stable/updates + stable-updates should be sufficient 
generally.
stable-proposed-updates offers packages for people who want to be ahead of 
point release schedule (beware of the quality as it's not fully stable yet).

Debian Wiki contains an instructive diagram: 
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases

So to answer my own question, I think indeed that all the new packages I saw on 
my screen were those of stable-proposed-updates discharged into stable (that 
were not security packages nor urgent ones) + maybe some latest packages from 
stable/updates and stable-updates that were just released around the same time.

12 mai 2020 à 09:25 de andreimpope...@gmail.com:

> Nothing unusual. You also have i386 packages installed so this will also
> increase the number of updates.
>
Good catch! :)

Best regards,
l0f4r0



Re: Debian 10.4 unable to install openssl-server

2020-05-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:26:13PM -0400, James B. Byrne wrote:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  openssh-server : Depends: openssh-client (= 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u1) but
> 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u2 is to be installed
>   Depends: openssh-sftp-server but it is not going to be 
> installed

> The sources.list file contains this:

> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib
> deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib
> 
> How do I fix this?

You are missing the *primary* repository.  All you have are the two
auxiliary ones.

deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster main contrib



Debian 10.4 unable to install openssl-server

2020-05-22 Thread James B. Byrne


This is what I see when trying to install openssl-server on a fresh install of
Debian-10.4:

apt install -f openssh-server
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 openssh-server : Depends: openssh-client (= 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u1) but
1:7.9p1-10+deb10u2 is to be installed
  Depends: openssh-sftp-server but it is not going to be 
installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

The sources.list file contains this:

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 10.4.0 _Buster_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 
20200
0509-10:26]/ buster contrib main


deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib

# buster-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# A network mirror was not selected during install.  The following entries
# are provided as examples, but you should amend them as appropriate
# for your mirror of choice.
#
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib

How do I fix this?

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Re: Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-05-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 11 mai 20, 19:12:52, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:
> Below were the results before I applied the upgrades:
> 
> apt list --upgradable

[snip]

Nothing unusual. You also have i386 packages installed so this will also 
increase the number of updates.

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Re: Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-05-11 Thread David Wright
On Mon 11 May 2020 at 19:49:34 (+0200), didier gaumet wrote:
> Le 11/05/2020 à 19:12, l0f...@tuta.io a écrit :
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 10 mai 2020 à 23:24 de didier.gau...@gmail.com:
> > 
> >> I am not sure of it but perhaps this is linked to the absence of
> >> proposed-updates in your sources.list:
> >> https://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates
> >>
> > Isn't proposed-updates designed to containing packages that should reach 
> > stable-updates afterward?
> [...]
> 
> from what I understand (perhaps wrongly) from the above link, no, it
> would mean that stable-proposed-updates packages are bugfixes to be
> included in stable at the next point release date"...
> 
> stable-updates contains bugfixes that cannot wait next point release:
>   https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

I think the intention is that proposed-updates is for software fixes
that need testing before being accepted into stable, whereas
stable-updates is for updates in information like virus patterns,
dates when clocks change, and so on, that can go straight in.
So most 'ornery' people will follow the latter but not the former.

Cheers,
David.



Re: Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-05-11 Thread didier gaumet
Le 11/05/2020 à 19:12, l0f...@tuta.io a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> 10 mai 2020 à 23:24 de didier.gau...@gmail.com:
> 
>> I am not sure of it but perhaps this is linked to the absence of
>> proposed-updates in your sources.list:
>> https://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates
>>
> Isn't proposed-updates designed to containing packages that should reach 
> stable-updates afterward?
[...]

from what I understand (perhaps wrongly) from the above link, no, it
would mean that stable-proposed-updates packages are bugfixes to be
included in stable at the next point release date"...

stable-updates contains bugfixes that cannot wait next point release:
  https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList




Re: Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-05-11 Thread l0f4r0
Hi,

10 mai 2020 à 23:24 de didier.gau...@gmail.com:

> I am not sure of it but perhaps this is linked to the absence of
> proposed-updates in your sources.list:
> https://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates
>
Isn't proposed-updates designed to containing packages that should reach 
stable-updates afterward?

11 mai 2020 à 00:06 de liam.p.oto...@gmail.com:

> The release notes[1] mention lots of updates in the section
> "Miscellaneous Bugfixes". Those will account for most of the upgrades
> you are seeing now.  Assuming you've been updating regularly, most or
> all of the updates in the section "Security Updates" will not apply.
>
> 1: > https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20200509
>
11 mai 2020 à 18:24 de deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk:

> On Du, 10 mai 20, 22:03:20, > l0f...@tuta.io>  wrote:
>
>> >
>> > My /etc/apt/sources.list contains links to buster, buster/updates, 
>> > buster-updates and buster-backports repositories. I run apt update / apt 
>> > upgrade very frequently.
>> >
>> > As you may know, Debian 10.4 was out yesterday.
>>
>
> Precisely; it was a point-release. Bug fixes as well as security
> fixes. Like me, you have probably kept up with the latter.
>
AFAIK, regarding Buster, bugfixes are released though buster-updates while 
security fixes are released through buster/updates. When a new Debian minor 
version is out, those packages are integrated into buster.
Am I wrong somewhere?

11 mai 2020 à 08:21 de andreimpope...@gmail.com:

> On Du, 10 mai 20, 22:03:20, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:
>
>> Could someone explain that to me please?
>>
> Not without seeing the list of packages (apt list --upgradable). Output 
> of 'apt policy' could also be useful.
>
Sure Andrei :)
Below were the results before I applied the upgrades:

apt list --upgradable
Listing... Done
base-files/stable 10.3+deb10u4 amd64 [upgradable from: 10.3+deb10u3]
cups-client/stable 2.2.10-6+deb10u3 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.2.10-6+deb10u2]
cups-common/stable,stable 2.2.10-6+deb10u3 all [upgradable from: 
2.2.10-6+deb10u2]
debian-security-support/stable,stable 2020.04.16~deb10u2 all [upgradable from: 
2019.12.12~deb10u1]
distro-info-data/stable,stable 0.41+deb10u2 all [upgradable from: 0.41+deb10u1]
filezilla-common/stable,stable 3.39.0-2+deb10u1 all [upgradable from: 3.39.0-2]
filezilla/stable 3.39.0-2+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 3.39.0-2]
fonts-opensymbol/stable,stable 2:102.10+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u6 all [upgradable 
from: 2:102.10+LibO6.1.5-3+deb10u5]
fuse/stable 2.9.9-1+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.9.9-1]
gir1.2-pango-1.0/stable 1.42.4-8~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1.42.4-7~deb10u1]
iputils-ping/stable 3:20180629-2+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 3:20180629-2]
libbrlapi0.6/stable 5.6-10+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 5.6-10]
libcpupower1/stable 4.19.118-2 amd64 [upgradable from: 4.19.98-1+deb10u1]
libcups2/stable 2.2.10-6+deb10u3 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.2.10-6+deb10u2]
libcups2/stable 2.2.10-6+deb10u3 i386 [upgradable from: 2.2.10-6+deb10u2]
libcupsimage2/stable 2.2.10-6+deb10u3 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.2.10-6+deb10u2]
libel-api-java/stable,stable 3.0.0-2+deb10u1 all [upgradable from: 3.0.0-2]
libfuse-dev/stable 2.9.9-1+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.9.9-1]
libfuse2/stable 2.9.9-1+deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.9.9-1]
libjsp-api-java/stable,stable 2.3.4-2+deb10u1 all [upgradable from: 2.3.4-2]
libnss-systemd/stable 241-7~deb10u4 amd64 [upgradable from: 241-7~deb10u3]
libpam-systemd/stable 241-7~deb10u4 amd64 [upgradable from: 241-7~deb10u3]
libpango-1.0-0/stable 1.42.4-8~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1.42.4-7~deb10u1]
libpango-1.0-0/stable 1.42.4-8~deb10u1 i386 [upgradable from: 1.42.4-7~deb10u1]
libpangocairo-1.0-0/stable 1.42.4-8~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1.42.4-7~deb10u1]
libpangocairo-1.0-0/stable 1.42.4-8~deb10u1 i386 [upgradable from: 
1.42.4-7~deb10u1]
libpangoft2-1.0-0/stable 1.42.4-8~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1.42.4-7~deb10u1]
libpangoft2-1.0-0/stable 1.42.4-8~deb10u1 i386 [upgradable from: 
1.42.4-7~deb10u1]
libpangoxft-1.0-0/stable 1.42.4-8~deb10u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1.42.4-7~deb10u1]
libreoffice-avmedia-backend-gstreamer/stable 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u6 amd64 
[upgradable from: 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5]
libreoffice-base-core/stable 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u6 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5]
libreoffice-base-drivers/stable 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u6 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5]
libreoffice-base/stable 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u6 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5]
libreoffice-calc/stable 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u6 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5]
libreoffice-common/stable,stable 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u6 all [upgradable from: 
1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5]
libreoffice-core/stable 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u6 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1:6.1.5-3+deb10u5]
libreoffice-draw/stable 1:6.1.5-3+deb10u6 amd64 [upgradable from: 
1:6.1.5-3+deb1

Re: Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-05-11 Thread David Wright
On Mon 11 May 2020 at 09:21:10 (+0300), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 10 mai 20, 22:03:20, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:
> > 
> > My /etc/apt/sources.list contains links to buster, buster/updates, 
> > buster-updates and buster-backports repositories. I run apt update / apt 
> > upgrade very frequently.
> > 
> > As you may know, Debian 10.4 was out yesterday.

Precisely; it was a point-release. Bug fixes as well as security
fixes. Like me, you have probably kept up with the latter.

> > Now, apt list --upgradable shows me 90+ packages to be upgraded.
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Could someone explain that to me please?
> 
> Not without seeing the list of packages (apt list --upgradable). Output 
> of 'apt policy' could also be useful.

Fairly typical for buster. 85 packages here, including the kernel.
About 30 of them were for libreoffice components. No DM or DE here.

Looking back, the previous point release (early Feb) involved 76 here.
The one before that (Nov), 65. I've no figures for 10.0→10.1 as it was
conflated with my installation of the system.

Cheers,
David.



Re: Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-05-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 10 mai 20, 22:03:20, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My /etc/apt/sources.list contains links to buster, buster/updates, 
> buster-updates and buster-backports repositories. I run apt update / apt 
> upgrade very frequently.
> 
> As you may know, Debian 10.4 was out yesterday.
> Now, apt list --upgradable shows me 90+ packages to be upgraded.

[...]

> Could someone explain that to me please?

Not without seeing the list of packages (apt list --upgradable). Output 
of 'apt policy' could also be useful.

Kind regards,
Andrei
-- 
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser


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Re: Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-05-10 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Sun, 10 May, 2020 at 22:03:20 +0200, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My /etc/apt/sources.list contains links to buster, buster/updates, 
> buster-updates and buster-backports repositories. I run apt update / apt 
> upgrade very frequently.
> 
> As you may know, Debian 10.4 was out yesterday.
> Now, apt list --upgradable shows me 90+ packages to be upgraded.
> 
> I thought there would be  a lot less to upgrade because I would  have 
> upgraded the most part already thanks to my repositories (especially 
> buster/updates and buster-updates). Maybe it's the case because I don't know 
> the total number of upgrades provided with 10.4 but I still don't understand 
> why I have so many ones.
> Could someone explain that to me please?
> 
> Thank you in advance :)
> Best regards,
> l0f4r0
> 

The release notes[1] mention lots of updates in the section
"Miscellaneous Bugfixes". Those will account for most of the upgrades
you are seeing now.  Assuming you've been updating regularly, most or
all of the updates in the section "Security Updates" will not apply.

1: https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20200509



Re: Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-05-10 Thread didier gaumet


Hello,

I am not sure of it but perhaps this is linked to the absence of
proposed-updates in your sources.list:
 https://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates



Why do I have so many packages to upgrade with Debian 10.4?

2020-05-10 Thread l0f4r0
Hi,

My /etc/apt/sources.list contains links to buster, buster/updates, 
buster-updates and buster-backports repositories. I run apt update / apt 
upgrade very frequently.

As you may know, Debian 10.4 was out yesterday.
Now, apt list --upgradable shows me 90+ packages to be upgraded.

I thought there would be  a lot less to upgrade because I would  have upgraded 
the most part already thanks to my repositories (especially buster/updates and 
buster-updates). Maybe it's the case because I don't know the total number of 
upgrades provided with 10.4 but I still don't understand why I have so many 
ones.
Could someone explain that to me please?

Thank you in advance :)
Best regards,
l0f4r0