Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Thursday 24 February 2011 15:05:19 Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:37:42 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote: When I read it, I felt Camaléon meant ‘What do you guys think?’.. rather than suggest that the DM team was under any obligation to keep us posted with regard to their progress. Yes..? No..? And that's exactly what I wanted to express. What I think is that Camaléon in not a native English speaker and so we have a moral obligation to (i.e. we *should*) forgive her for making that mistake. Okay, no problem, you can blame me here. But don't forget that one word can have many definitions (you should update your knowledge on this matter but you are not forced to do it). Greetings, Camaleón -- Sorry, Camaleón, but I do not eccept, certainly in en-gb that should, even in the negative, can bear this interpretation. I agree that Camaléon is not a native English speaker and so we have a moral obligation to (i.e. we *should*) forgive her for making that mistake. And that was my reaction and what I did. But it is still in fact a mistake, if that is what you meant. And somewhat ungracious and ungrateful to Christian, if used by a native speaker. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201102251232.53363.lisi.re...@gmail.com
[OT] Written communication (was: Debian Multi-Media.)
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:32:53 +, Lisi wrote: On Thursday 24 February 2011 15:05:19 Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:37:42 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote: When I read it, I felt Camaléon meant ‘What do you guys think?’.. rather than suggest that the DM team was under any obligation to keep us posted with regard to their progress. Yes..? No..? And that's exactly what I wanted to express. What I think is that Camaléon in not a native English speaker and so we have a moral obligation to (i.e. we *should*) forgive her for making that mistake. Okay, no problem, you can blame me here. But don't forget that one word can have many definitions (you should update your knowledge on this matter but you are not forced to do it). Sorry, Camaleón, but I do not eccept, certainly in en-gb that should, even in the negative, can bear this interpretation. And it's fine you interpret whatever you want, it happens many times on written communication. If in doubt, *ask* for an explanation on the meaning of the supposedly offending words and I'll try to expand it. I agree that Camaléon is not a native English speaker and so we have a moral obligation to (i.e. we *should*) forgive her for making that mistake. And that was my reaction and what I did. But it is still in fact a mistake, if that is what you meant. And somewhat ungracious and ungrateful to Christian, if used by a native speaker. I'm afraid you are taking the bad definition for my should: http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0768280#m_en_gb0768280 You *wrongly* picked my words like meaning 1 (in its first acception), but that was just your *free* interpretation of them (and I still fail to see why you think I can see any obligation over D-M developer for doing anything). I know I do make many mistakes when I write and express in English but I don't think this is the case. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.25.13.21...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
Hello Camaleón,
Am 2011-02-23 19:50:36, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable
releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can
then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories.
WHY should Christian post it here?
There is a mailingist for D-M and if he should post here what not on the
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Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:25:51 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Camaleón, Am 2011-02-23 19:50:36, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. WHY should Christian post it here? (...) Did I mention Christian at all? If you read the full thread you'll find out what (and why) I was asking what I asked. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.25.14.43...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
Hello Camaleón, Am 2011-02-25 14:43:25, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Did I mention Christian at all? Christian is toe Owner/Responsable for the Domain D-M. If you read the full thread you'll find out what (and why) I was asking what I asked. In my opinion, USERS which use external archives like multimedia or backports should subscribe to the appropriated (announce) mailinglists and not bother others... I am subscribed to arround 140 mailinglist, where more then 50 are VERY LOW TRAFFIC anouncement lists... all have to do with (Net|Free) BSD, Linux and Debian. But I do not expect special announcements of them in DEBIAN mailinglists. Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant ## Development of Intranet and Embedded Systems with Debian GNU/Linux itsystems@tdnet France EURL itsystems@tdnet UG (limited liability) Owner Michelle KonzackOwner Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 (homeoffice) 50, rue de Soultz Kinzigstraße 17 67100 Strasbourg/France 77694 Kehl/Germany Tel: +33-6-61925193 mobil Tel: +49-177-9351947 mobil Tel: +33-9-52705884 fix http://www.itsystems.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.flexray4linux.org/ http://www.debian.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Jabber linux4miche...@jabber.ccc.de ICQ#328449886 Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:48:43 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Did I mention Christian at all? Christian is toe Owner/Responsable for the Domain D-M. Yes, I know. But I did not mention anyone in special, my question was rather generic. If you read the full thread you'll find out what (and why) I was asking what I asked. In my opinion, USERS which use external archives like multimedia or backports should subscribe to the appropriated (announce) mailinglists and not bother others... Glad to know your opinion. I still think D-M issues (please, note that D letter... is for Debian), being a Debian repository used by many Debian users can also can fit here. C'mon, this is not the first time I read in this mailing list about problems with D-M packages, and I don't think that's bad or should be avoided. I am subscribed to arround 140 mailinglist, where more then 50 are VERY LOW TRAFFIC anouncement lists... all have to do with (Net|Free) BSD, Linux and Debian. But I do not expect special announcements of them in DEBIAN mailinglists. Please, re-read the whole thread again. And also review the archive of this same mailing list (back some weeks ago) to discover what is this all about. Nobody seemed to be offended then when we were talking about the problem, but now it seems like anything related to D-M is generating bad feelings :-/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.25.18.32...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:36:36 +0100, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: On the 23/02/2011 20:50, Camaleón wrote: I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. Hi, since debian-multimedia is a side project and not Debian proper it makes sense that news regarding d-m are posted on d-m list and not here. Yes, but not every Debian user follows those lists and posting here is also a good way for your users (D-M users) to be aware of any important change on the repo. And dropping support for a complete distribution in one of the most used repositories of Debian is something I consider important or relevant for this list. As for anyone using d-m and willing to stay on top of things subscribing to: dmo-discuss...@debian-multimedia.org and other d-m lists, or pay www.debian-multimedia.org a regular visit. Seems like the right path to follow, to me at least. When I first read D-M notice about discontinuation of lenny, I reviewed D- M lists to find additional information or explanation about the change but there was no post on this matter or I couldn't find any :-( In fact, my rant is more because of the little information it was provided that lead many of us to think there wasn't going to be packages for lenny any more. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.24.14.51...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:37:42 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote: When I read it, I felt Camaléon meant ‘What do you guys think?’.. rather than suggest that the DM team was under any obligation to keep us posted with regard to their progress. Yes..? No..? And that's exactly what I wanted to express. What I think is that Camaléon in not a native English speaker and so we have a moral obligation to (i.e. we *should*) forgive her for making that mistake. Okay, no problem, you can blame me here. But don't forget that one word can have many definitions (you should update your knowledge on this matter but you are not forced to do it). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.24.15.05...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:06:56 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 23 February 2011 13:50:36 Camaleón wrote: I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. They have their own mailing list for announcements and they aren't an official part of Debian. I think announcements on this list would be unwelcome to some. If you need information about D-M, subscribe to the D-M mailing list(s). There was no announcement in D-M lists, so people started asking here what happened (and what's going to happen) with D-M packages for lenny. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.24.15.10...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:51:46 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, When I first read D-M notice about discontinuation of lenny, I reviewed D- M lists to find additional information or explanation about the change but there was no post on this matter or I couldn't find any :-( Christian did make comment about it (as part of the squeeze thread). It read; quote Oldstable is completely broken. I'll remove this release from my repository. /quote -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent What will you do when the gas taps turn? The Gasman Cometh - Crass signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:14:12 +, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:51:46 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: When I first read D-M notice about discontinuation of lenny, I reviewed D- M lists to find additional information or explanation about the change but there was no post on this matter or I couldn't find any :-( Christian did make comment about it (as part of the squeeze thread). It read; quote Oldstable is completely broken. I'll remove this release from my repository. /quote I also read something similar in D-M homepage, but nothing about: 1/ If that was going to be a final or just a temporary decision 2/ What was the problem (broken can mean many things) After reading the notice I went to D-M mailing list to get more info but didn't find any thread (nor additional explanation) on that: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/lurker/list/dmo-discussion.en.html :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.24.15.26...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:26:39 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, 1/ If that was going to be a final or just a temporary decision 2/ What was the problem (broken can mean many things) Indeed, neither point was addressed by Christian, at the time of the announcement. It could have been handled better, certainly. However, Christian is only one man, devoting a large portion of his (finite) time and money to the D-M project. For the amount of money it must cost to run D-M, I'm willing to forgive Christian such minor (as I see it) oversights. If, OTOH, D-M were run by some mega-corp, I'd expect the repository to be 100% robust. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent I'll be the rubbish you'll be the bin Love Song - The Damned signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On the 24/02/2011 15:51, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:36:36 +0100, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, since debian-multimedia is a side project and not Debian proper it makes sense that news regarding d-m are posted on d-m list and not here. Yes, but not every Debian user follows those lists and posting here is also a good way for your users (D-M users) to be aware of any important change on the repo. And dropping support for a complete distribution in one of the most used repositories of Debian is something I consider important or relevant for this list. As for anyone using d-m and willing to stay on top of things subscribing to: dmo-discuss...@debian-multimedia.org and other d-m lists, or pay www.debian-multimedia.org a regular visit. Seems like the right path to follow, to me at least. When I first read D-M notice about discontinuation of lenny, I reviewed D- M lists to find additional information or explanation about the change but there was no post on this matter or I couldn't find any :-( In fact, my rant is more because of the little information it was provided that lead many of us to think there wasn't going to be packages for lenny any more. Greetings, While I agree with you for the most part, d-m is not always well received among some dd's and some users as well, given the very harsh comments frequently made about d-m on the bug-tracker, and sometime on the Debian lists, I can understand that Mr Marillat tries to keep things clearly separate. Squeeze went public on the 6th, Christian Marillat acknowledged the oldstable repo problem in a thread [1] about Squeeze release the day after, and posted an update on the website the same day. He certainly didn't explain the technicalities behind the problem, but the information was out, and if you email him I am pretty sure he'll take a few minutes to feed your curiosity. While I personally am glad that you would like d-m to be more tightly integrated in Debian proper, I can also understand why it's not happening. [1] http://www.debian-multimedia.org/lurker/message/20110207.161853.6c7b0ceb.en.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d668d5d.7020...@googlemail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:34:36 +, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:26:39 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: Hello Camaleón, 1/ If that was going to be a final or just a temporary decision 2/ What was the problem (broken can mean many things) Indeed, neither point was addressed by Christian, at the time of the announcement. It could have been handled better, certainly. However, Christian is only one man, devoting a large portion of his (finite) time and money to the D-M project. For the amount of money it must cost to run D-M, I'm willing to forgive Christian such minor (as I see it) oversights. If, OTOH, D-M were run by some mega-corp, I'd expect the repository to be 100% robust. Okay then, understood. Let's give Christian a big thanks and help him as much as we can to spread here any important D-M change/notice. And you also deserve a thank you for acting as a bridge and sending here the notice of the D-M restoration for lenny ;-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.24.17.32...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:32:05 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, Let's give Christian a big thanks and help him as much as we can to spread here any important D-M change/notice. There's also a donate (via PayPal) button on the D-M home page for those that /really/ want to express their gratitude. And you also deserve a thank you for acting as a bridge and sending here the notice of the D-M restoration for lenny ;-) You're too kind; I just happened to notice and pass it on first. I'm sure somebody else would have done so, had I not. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent We are the League, we are the anti band We're The League - Anti-Nowhere League signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Debian Multi-Media.
Hello All, For those concerned about oldstable at Debian Multimedia, you'll be pleased to hear that it's being restored. So far, about 90% is available, according to Christian. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Just stop and take a second U Ur Hand - P!nk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:04 +, Brad Rogers wrote: For those concerned about oldstable at Debian Multimedia, you'll be pleased to hear that it's being restored. So far, about 90% is available, according to Christian. Good. Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? Two-paragraph messages are not the best way of handling such notices :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.23.17.16...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:16:35 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Camaleón, Good. I knew somebody would appreciate it. :-) Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? That's up to Christian, not me. I'm not a member of the team. I do, however, subscribe to the D-M mailing list where Christian posted the info earlier today. Two-paragraph messages are not the best way of handling such notices :-) It's better than no notice at all, surely? :-D -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Sign away your life Tin Soldiers - Stiff Little Fingers signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:04 +, Brad Rogers wrote: For those concerned about oldstable at Debian Multimedia, you'll be pleased to hear that it's being restored. So far, about 90% is available, according to Christian. Good. Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? Should??? It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it. -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d65612d.7040...@cox.net
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote: Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? Should??? It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it. I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the right ones. I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.02.23.19.50...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On the 23/02/2011 20:50, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote: Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? Should??? It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it. I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the right ones. I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. Greetings, Hi, since debian-multimedia is a side project and not Debian proper it makes sense that news regarding d-m are posted on d-m list and not here. As for anyone using d-m and willing to stay on top of things subscribing to: dmo-discuss...@debian-multimedia.org and other d-m lists, or pay www.debian-multimedia.org a regular visit. Seems like the right path to follow, to me at least. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d656fd4.8080...@googlemail.com
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On 02/23/2011 01:50 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote: Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? Should??? It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it. I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the right ones. I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. Yes, it would be nice and useful. However, the word should in English expresses (in gcide's words) moral obligation, and Christian Marillat is under no moral obligation to do so. Merriam-Webster uses the similar phrase express obligation, propriety, or expediency. -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d657223.1060...@cox.net
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wednesday 23 February 2011 13:50:36 Camaleón wrote: I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. They have their own mailing list for announcements and they aren't an official part of Debian. I think announcements on this list would be unwelcome to some. If you need information about D-M, subscribe to the D-M mailing list(s). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600 Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:30:04 +, Brad Rogers wrote: For those concerned about oldstable at Debian Multimedia, you'll be pleased to hear that it's being restored. So far, about 90% is available, according to Christian. Good. Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? Should??? It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it. I must agree with Ron. Some of us who use Debian and have done so for years, forget that we get it for free. There are people doing a whole heap of great work without any realistic recompense or recompense at all. Thank you for anything at all that someone does for Debian would be the correct response I imagine. Charlie -- http://www.skymesh.net.au/~taogypsy/ - Registered Linux User:- 329524 *** Clomp clomp the monk's feet through ice and dark drawing sweet water. BASHO *** Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110224082058.5e700458@taowild
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:46:27PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 01:50 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote: Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? Should??? It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it. I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the right ones. I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. Yes, it would be nice and useful. However, the word should in English expresses (in gcide's words) moral obligation, and Christian Marillat is under no moral obligation to do so. Merriam-Webster uses the similar phrase express obligation, propriety, or expediency. Hm.. Camaléon used the ‘interro-negative’ form: ‘shouldn't’.. Quite different from an affirmative ‘should’.. Take for instance: ‘Shouldn't we ban OT'ers and nitpickers from the list?’¹ I don't see much (if any) moral obligation involved in the above.. or expediency.. or propriety..? Rather a suggestion that so doing might be a good idea. Not essentially different from ‘Don't you think we should ban...’ When I read it, I felt Camaléon meant ‘What do you guys think?’.. rather than suggest that the DM team was under any obligation to keep us posted with regard to their progress. Yes..? No..? cj ¹ A purely rhetorical question ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110224001134.GA4224@pavo.local
Re: Debian Multi-Media.
On 02/23/2011 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 03:46:27PM EST, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 01:50 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:34:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/23/2011 11:16 AM, Camaleón wrote: Shouldn't D-M maintainers post here about any problem on the repos or widespread a bit more what is going on? Should??? It would be *nice* and it would be *helpful* to do so, but seeing that neither you nor I are paying him for the time, effort, bandwidth, etc, those who still use oldstable should just be glad that he's doing it. I think you misunderstood my words... or maybe I didn't chose the right ones. I wasn't saying that they *should* provide _packages_ for oldstable releases but *notify* here -in this same mailing list, where people can then spread those changes elsewhere- for any update in D-M repositories. Yes, it would be nice and useful. However, the word should in English expresses (in gcide's words) moral obligation, and Christian Marillat is under no moral obligation to do so. Merriam-Webster uses the similar phrase express obligation, propriety, or expediency. Hm.. Camaléon used the ‘interro-negative’ form: ‘shouldn't’.. Quite different from an affirmative ‘should’.. Take for instance: ‘Shouldn't we ban OT'ers and nitpickers from the list?’¹ The answer to which is, Yes we *should*. I don't see much (if any) moral obligation involved in the above.. or expediency.. or propriety..? Thus, the moral obligation. Rather a suggestion that so doing might be a good idea. Not essentially different from ‘Don't you think we should ban...’ When I read it, I felt Camaléon meant ‘What do you guys think?’.. rather than suggest that the DM team was under any obligation to keep us posted with regard to their progress. Yes..? No..? What I think is that Camaléon in not a native English speaker and so we have a moral obligation to (i.e. we *should*) forgive her for making that mistake. -- The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery. Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4d65a856.2030...@cox.net
