Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
Nick Jacobs wrote: --- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Look at http://www.debian.org/doc/ 2) The competition at debian.org pretty much kills the dead tree book market, IMHO. I agree with (1) but not with (2). Firstly, I'd pay to get some of the material on http://www.debian.org/doc/ in the form of a printed, bound book; a book is more convenient to read and tires the eyes less. Secondly, the printed-book market is competitive. Write something unclear or badly organised, and your book probably won't get published, or if it does, it won't sell. That applies much less to free, on-line documentation because there's always a shortage of it - most programmers don't like to write documentation. So the general standard of organisation and clarity tends to be higher in printed books than on http://www.debian.org/doc/. This is not to denigrate the fine job that people have done on that resource, of course; I'm just pointing out that the constraints under which they work are different from those of the printed book market. Also, when you want to find out why your PC/system is down, a book is much more useful than inaccessible on line docs. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 11:28:37PM -0800 or thereabouts, Nick Jacobs wrote: --- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Look at http://www.debian.org/doc/ 2) The competition at debian.org pretty much kills the dead tree book market, IMHO. I agree with (1) but not with (2). Firstly, I'd pay to get some of the material on http://www.debian.org/doc/ in the form of a printed, bound book; a book is more convenient to read and tires the eyes less. I don't know about Europe, but here in North America it's relatively cheap to go to an instant printer, (Kinkos, Staples etc.) and get a PDF printed and bound. I just did a 800+ page PDF-MySQL book. Cost $60 CDN. That's with a plastic circulux binding and covers. Quite durable. Print on Demand (POD) is everywhere! Getting published isn't that difficult. -- Steve + Saturday Mar 06 2004 09:41:02 AM EST + Such a fine first dream! But they laughed at me; they said I had made it up. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 07:19:19PM +0800, Katipo wrote: Nick Jacobs wrote: --- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Look at http://www.debian.org/doc/ 2) The competition at debian.org pretty much kills the dead tree book market, IMHO. I agree with (1) but not with (2). Firstly, I'd pay to get some of the material on http://www.debian.org/doc/ in the form of a printed, bound book; a book is more convenient to read and tires the eyes less. Secondly, the printed-book market is competitive. Write something unclear or badly organised, and your book probably won't get published, or if it does, it won't sell. That applies much less to free, on-line documentation because there's always a shortage of it - most programmers don't like to write documentation. So the general standard of organisation and clarity tends to be higher in printed books than on http://www.debian.org/doc/. This is not to denigrate the fine job that people have done on that resource, of course; I'm just pointing out that the constraints under which they work are different from those of the printed book market. Also, when you want to find out why your PC/system is down, a book is much more useful than inaccessible on line docs. Regards, David. Old computers that don't support the latest Windoze are still quite adequate for access to the web. Find one in a friend's closet, or buy one from a junk dealer. Install basic Woody. Use it in emergencies only. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
On Saturday 06 March 2004 1:28 am, Nick Jacobs wrote: Firstly, I'd pay to get some of the material on http://www.debian.org/doc/ in the form of a printed, bound book; a book is more convenient to read and tires the eyes less. Hehe, thats one reason why I have a laserprinter and a three-hole punch g -- There is a point at which patience ceases to be a virtue. -- Uncle Al -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 11:28:37PM -0800, Nick Jacobs wrote: --- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Look at http://www.debian.org/doc/ 2) The competition at debian.org pretty much kills the dead tree book market, IMHO. I agree with (1) but not with (2). Firstly, I'd pay to get some of the material on http://www.debian.org/doc/ in the form of a printed, bound book; a book is more convenient to read and tires the eyes less. Hear! Hear! -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Opinions on some Debian books?
I know that a lot of people here recommend The Debian GNU/Linux Bible by Steve Hunger, which my library is getting. But I've also seen in secondhand catalogues the following books (some of which I think are out of print) and I'd appreciate any comments about them. Bill McCarty: Learning Debian Gnu/Linux: A Guide to Debian Gnu/linux for New Users, O'Reilly, 1999. Thomas Down: Installing Debian GNU/Linux, Sams, 2000. John Goerzen, Ossama Othman: Debian GNU/Linux, New Riders, 1999. Aaron Van Couwenberghe: Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed, Sams, 1999. Thanks, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
On (05/03/04 10:09), Adam Funk wrote: I know that a lot of people here recommend The Debian GNU/Linux Bible by Steve Hunger, which my library is getting. But I've also seen in secondhand catalogues the following books (some of which I think are out of print) and I'd appreciate any comments about them. Bill McCarty: Learning Debian Gnu/Linux: A Guide to Debian Gnu/linux for New Users, O'Reilly, 1999. Thomas Down: Installing Debian GNU/Linux, Sams, 2000. John Goerzen, Ossama Othman: Debian GNU/Linux, New Riders, 1999. Aaron Van Couwenberghe: Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed, Sams, 1999. FWIW, I've bought a few books but none of them Debian specific although some refer to Debian. The two books that I've learnt most from are Rute Users Tutorial Exposition which, I only recently acquired through a recommendation on the list; I wish I'd got it a year ago when I first started learning Linux/Debian. The other is Linux Administration Handbook (Evi Nemeth others). For the Debian specific stuff I rely on d-u, the web and docs. HTH Clive -- http://www.clivemenzies.co.uk strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
Incoming from Adam Funk: Aaron Van Couwenberghe: Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed, Sams, 1999. Unless this one's been updated recently, I'd advise against it. It's way out of date, and what's there is better covered elsewhere. Except if you're a raw newbie and buying a second-hand copy, I'd try something else first. Book buying is turning into quite an art these days. When I read Practical Unix Internet Security - 2nd Ed. by Garfinkel Spafford, I loved it; a rollicking good read cover to cover. Recently, a friend picked up the latest updated version and was mostly disappointed. She said it generally consisted of text from the earlier version, backed up with (eg.), Reports suggest this is no longer true in modern Unix. Bleah. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
This past Sunday I was getting desperate for a good book on Debian in a hurry. I drove 60 miles to the nearest Barns and Nobles store and found one out of print book that I had already downloaded on the web. I found 6 real nice books on Fedora about 700 pages with cd's in each. The number one cd was no good at all. I am currently using the fedora book along with the downloaded Debian book and between the two am beginning to understand How to set up and run Debian. My point is why would Barns and Noble not have Debian books . I complained to the manager and his answer was he didn't know why but he would find out and E-mail me. Nothing yet??? If this is standard practice for them it is not good PR for debian. If you go in a store and they don't have Debian books Fuss at'em Doug - Original Message - From: s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Opinions on some Debian books? Incoming from Adam Funk: Aaron Van Couwenberghe: Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed, Sams, 1999. Unless this one's been updated recently, I'd advise against it. It's way out of date, and what's there is better covered elsewhere. Except if you're a raw newbie and buying a second-hand copy, I'd try something else first. Book buying is turning into quite an art these days. When I read Practical Unix Internet Security - 2nd Ed. by Garfinkel Spafford, I loved it; a rollicking good read cover to cover. Recently, a friend picked up the latest updated version and was mostly disappointed. She said it generally consisted of text from the earlier version, backed up with (eg.), Reports suggest this is no longer true in modern Unix. Bleah. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions on some Debian books? - books
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Douglas Pollard wrote: This past Sunday I was getting desperate for a good book on Debian in a hurry. I drove 60 miles to the nearest Barns and Nobles store and found one thats a good haul ... yo must live out in the desert by an oasis ?? :-) My point is why would Barns and Noble not have Debian books . I complained to the manager and his answer was he didn't know why but he would find out and E-mail me. Nothing yet??? If this is standard practice for them it is not good PR for debian. If you go in a store and they don't have Debian books Fuss at'em most large stores ( no matter what they carry ) will only carry what sells ... and/or what people tell them to carry at all stores - some grocery stores will carry spices that matches the general mix of their neighborhood for local bookstores here.. all the good ones the way of the dinosaur in germanium valley - digital guru is the only one left .. ( storewise ) other than b/n there should be enuff demands for good techie books that are something between the LDP howto and the full blown novels(books) but also priced at say $5-$10ea w/ cdrom to cover costs only ... - anybody know a book printer looking to unload their machines - or just print the hardcopy/paperback manual and give it away c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 05:05:51PM -0400, Douglas Pollard wrote: This past Sunday I was getting desperate for a good book on Debian in a hurry. I drove 60 miles to the nearest Barns and Nobles store and found one out of print book that I had already downloaded on the web. I found 6 real nice books on Fedora about 700 pages with cd's in each. The number one cd was no good at all. I am currently using the fedora book along with the downloaded Debian book and between the two am beginning to understand How to set up and run Debian. My point is why would Barns and Noble not have Debian books . I complained to the manager and his answer was he didn't know why but he would find out and E-mail me. Nothing yet??? If this is standard practice for them it is not good PR for debian. If you go in a store and they don't have Debian books Fuss at'em Doug Two points: 1) Look at http://www.debian.org/doc/ 2) The competition at debian.org pretty much kills the dead tree book market, IMHO. And if you have a problem with interpretation of something in .../doc/, ask on this list. Look particularly at Policy docs to get a feel for Debian self image. These are people who 'sweat the details' so that when they use Debian, they don't have to deal with stupid surprises. Just a user. Paul -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Opinions on some Debian books?
--- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Look at http://www.debian.org/doc/ 2) The competition at debian.org pretty much kills the dead tree book market, IMHO. I agree with (1) but not with (2). Firstly, I'd pay to get some of the material on http://www.debian.org/doc/ in the form of a printed, bound book; a book is more convenient to read and tires the eyes less. Secondly, the printed-book market is competitive. Write something unclear or badly organised, and your book probably won't get published, or if it does, it won't sell. That applies much less to free, on-line documentation because there's always a shortage of it - most programmers don't like to write documentation. So the general standard of organisation and clarity tends to be higher in printed books than on http://www.debian.org/doc/. This is not to denigrate the fine job that people have done on that resource, of course; I'm just pointing out that the constraints under which they work are different from those of the printed book market. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian books
Dear Debian friends, maybe you remember me as an active former Debian developer who left the project some months ago. I now sell all my Debian and Linux literature on Ebay and therefore would like to inform you about the concerning links. These books and journals are certainly very valuable for many Debian users and developers, and represent an original sales price of more than 500,- EURO. Since I offer each item for a start price of only 1,- EURO (or 1,- $), I hope that this information is sufficiently on-topic and interesting to be not considered as spam on this list. Happy New Year and happy linuxing, Guenter Bechly -- Michael Bellomo (2000) Debian GNU/Linux for Dummies, IDG Books, 324 pages and 2 CDs, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 80,27 DM! Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400499365 Mario Camou John Goerzen Aaron van Couwenberghe (2000) Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed, SAMS, 1119 pages (!) and 1 CD, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 122,10 DM! Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400501838 Bill McCarty (1999) Learning Debian GNU/Linux, O'Reilly, 343 pages and 1 CD, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 75,- DM! Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400509336 John Goerzen Ossama Othman (1999) Debian GNU/Linux - Guide to Installation and Usage, New Riders, 158 pages and 1 CD, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 78,58 DM! Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400509860 Thomas Down (1999) Installing Debian GNU/Linux, SAMS, 197 pages and 1 CD, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 54,95 DM! Very good condition. You also get the printed edition of the original Debian Installation Guide as free additional item. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400510746 I also offer the following two German Debian books: Peter H. Ganten (2000) Debian GNU/Linux, Springer, 792 pages; paperback; good condition. Original price 79,90 DM. This is THE German Debian handbook and one of the best German Linux books at all (besides Kofler)! http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400497602 Frank Ronneburg (2001) Debian GNU/Linux Anwenderhandbuch, Addison-Wesley + Lehmanns, 600 pages, hardcover. Original price 49,90 DM. Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400498239 Finally, I offer various other Linux books and Journals, such as: Two complete year-volumes of Linux Journal from issue Jan./97 to Dec./98, including all special issues (e.g. Buyer's Guide), plus first three issues of 1999. Totally 31 issues in very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400490134 44 issues of the German Linux Magazin from issue 01/1998 to issue 08/2001, as well as the three special issues Best of Vol. 1, 2, 3 that include all articles of volume 1997. The original price for all these journals was about 480,- DM! All journals are in very good condition! http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400489223 Nikolaus Schlueter (1997) Der Gcc-Compiler - Ueberblick und Bedienung, bhv, 199 pages. The German handbook for the Handbuch GNU Compiler. Original price 59,80 DM. Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400487709
cheap Debian books at Ebay
Dear Debian friends, maybe you remember me as an active former Debian developer who left the project some months ago. I now sell all my Debian and Linux literature on Ebay and therefore would like to inform you about the concerning links. These books and journals are certainly very valuable for many Debian users and developers, and represent an original sales price of more than 500,- EURO. Since I offer each item for a start price of only 1,- EURO (or 1,- $), I hope that this information is sufficiently on-topic and interesting to be not considered as spam on this list. Happy New Year and happy linuxing, Guenter Bechly -- Michael Bellomo (2000) Debian GNU/Linux for Dummies, IDG Books, 324 pages and 2 CDs, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 80,27 DM! Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400499365 Mario Camou John Goerzen Aaron van Couwenberghe (2000) Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed, SAMS, 1119 pages (!) and 1 CD, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 122,10 DM! Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400501838 Bill McCarty (1999) Learning Debian GNU/Linux, O'Reilly, 343 pages and 1 CD, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 75,- DM! Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400509336 John Goerzen Ossama Othman (1999) Debian GNU/Linux - Guide to Installation and Usage, New Riders, 158 pages and 1 CD, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 78,58 DM! Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400509860 Thomas Down (1999) Installing Debian GNU/Linux, SAMS, 197 pages and 1 CD, paperback. Original price (Germany) was 54,95 DM! Very good condition. You also get the printed edition of the original Debian Installation Guide as free additional item. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400510746 I also offer the following two German Debian books: Peter H. Ganten (2000) Debian GNU/Linux, Springer, 792 pages; paperback; good condition. Original price 79,90 DM. This is THE German Debian handbook and one of the best German Linux books at all (besides Kofler)! http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400497602 Frank Ronneburg (2001) Debian GNU/Linux Anwenderhandbuch, Addison-Wesley + Lehmanns, 600 pages, hardcover. Original price 49,90 DM. Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400498239 Finally, I offer various other Linux books and Journals, such as: Two complete year-volumes of Linux Journal from issue Jan./97 to Dec./98, including all special issues (e.g. Buyer's Guide), plus first three issues of 1999. Totally 31 issues in very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400490134 44 issues of the German Linux Magazin from issue 01/1998 to issue 08/2001, as well as the three special issues Best of Vol. 1, 2, 3 that include all articles of volume 1997. The original price for all these journals was about 480,- DM! All journals are in very good condition! http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400489223 Nikolaus Schlueter (1997) Der Gcc-Compiler - Ueberblick und Bedienung, bhv, 199 pages. The German handbook for the Handbuch GNU Compiler. Original price 59,80 DM. Very good condition. http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1400487709
Re: Debian Books request (fwd)
on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 09:51:06PM -0500, Eric Brooks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 05:52:24PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: How many Debian books is there ? I don't know how many debian books exist. There are quite a few Linux administration books out there that have information that pertain to Debian as well. I'm wondering if you guys can suggest one for me...(I'm not a _fully_ newbe, i know a bit :) Two books that I found very helpful are: Down, Thomas. Installing Debian GNU/Linux. 2000: SAMS Publishing, Indianapolis, IN, USA. This book really helped me out. I'll second this. I *hate* SAMS, but this book is good for what it does -- walks the user through a basic Debian installation. Far better than the O'Reilly Debian book. My other general GNU/Linux book suggestions are: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/linux-books.html In the specific case of Debian, there's a wealth of online documentation, much of it installed (or installable) on your system. The Debian Policy Manual is *very* highly recommended. The selections at the Debian.org website's docs section are a bit on the spotty side, though there are a few brighter bits of coal among the smellier bits. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpqL1xPAA30K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Debian Books request (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:48:37 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Grande [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hello If this is the right e-mail adress to send to, I dont't know.. there were so many to choose from :) but I'll give it a try. I just have two simple questions.. here it goes: How many Debian books is there ? I'm wondering if you guys can suggest one for me...(I'm not a _fully_ newbe, i know a bit :) I'm not looking for any web help or something.. just the general, if you know what I mean. Hope you can help me out. Regards Martin
Re: Debian Books request (fwd)
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 05:52:24PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: How many Debian books is there ? I don't know how many debian books exist. There are quite a few Linux administration books out there that have information that pertain to Debian as well. I'm wondering if you guys can suggest one for me...(I'm not a _fully_ newbe, i know a bit :) Two books that I found very helpful are: Down, Thomas. Installing Debian GNU/Linux. 2000: SAMS Publishing, Indianapolis, IN, USA. This book really helped me out. Volkerding, Patrick and Kevin Reichard. Linux System Commands. 2000: MT Books, Foster City, CA, USA. -- Eric Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dimension11.net pgpb6YQNJRKSW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian books
Also, he talked of installing KDE using task-KDE. But there is no Task-KDE!! KDE was never included in Debian 2.0 (if I remember correctly), and the accompanying CD is at 2.2R2. He's really out-of-whack. That's unfair. task-kde is available for potato from kde.debian.net, and was available for woody/sid until the task mechanism was overhauled recently. If he didn't mention kde.debian.net (or similar) then that was a mistake, true. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] greetings: I'm not sure whether it's unfair. Here's exactly how it reads in the book: KDE is available in the Debian distribution, which makes it easy to install.You can find it in the Debian archive...I recommend using the task-kde... (page 86) The book's back cover indicates Reader Level is Beginner to Advanced. As a beginner, what I understand about Debian distribution is debian.org. 'Archive' to me (a newbie) then points me to the stuff that comes in the CDROMs. kde.debian.net is not even mentioned. If Steve Hunger knows that task-kde is in kde.debian.net, then he should have directed beginners like me to that site, instead of saying Debian distribution. As a beginner, I need a guide that helps me steer unknown territory easily. The date on the book says 2001. So I figured, that's the latest it could get; I searched Debian.org for task-kde and nothing came up. Of course, beginners are not going to look in unstable distributions. After having Googled, I came upon an article that said KDE hadn't been included in the late Debian releases. IMHO, the point is that the book is not written with the beginner in mind. It should not be called a Bible, when important newbie things like these are omitted. Moreover the book focuses too much on other productivity apps, blah-blah, when that space could have been used to discuss in greater depth the intricacies of Debian installation, setup, troubleshooting. For productivity apps, beginners can always look elsewhere. It would be great if any of the Advanced Debianeers (sorry if I offend anyone with this term; let me know if I shouldn't ever use it again) would look at the book and see if they learn something out of it. I am tempted to believe they won't. IMHO, I advise beginners not to buy the book. Sincerely, Ram Linux newbie ps: The Bible came only with 1 CDROM, when somehow all the 3 should have been included. IMHO, Steve Hunger must remember that his books are sold worldwide, know that complete CDROM sets are very meaningful to people here in Asia where in many countries it's out of the question to download the entire Debian distribution through a modem, focus only on beginner OR on advanced and not both, tackle real situations that arise by scouring the debian mailing lists for problems faced by people, before he writes a new edition of that book. Hear me, Steve?
Re: Debian books
ramsubs wrote: The book's back cover indicates Reader Level is Beginner to Advanced. Unfortunately, Debian is not for beginners. Use Mandrake, as long as you do not encounter problems! (See the Debian FAQ for more detail). In my place, there are *many* Debian Server maintainers who are using Mandrake (besides MickeySoft of cause). IMHO, Steve Hunger must remember that his books are sold worldwide, know that complete CDROM sets are very meaningful to people here in Asia where in many countries it's out of the question to download the entire Debian distribution through a modem, ... Who cares Asia anyway? Asians should! Thus, I set up front-end mirrors like http://sapi.vlsm.org and http://www.id.debian.org I am aware, links are slow and often broken. Therefore, just add sufficient back-end mirrors in every city: http://kambing.vlsm.org http://kebo.vlsm.org http://gajah.vlsm.org regards, -- Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim - VLSM-TJT - http://rms46.vlsm.org -- Read my lips: war and reelection do not mix! --
Re: Debian books
On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 11:04:44AM +0800, ramsubs wrote: Also, he talked of installing KDE using task-KDE. But there is no Task-KDE!! KDE was never included in Debian 2.0 (if I remember correctly), and the accompanying CD is at 2.2R2. He's really out-of-whack. That's unfair. task-kde is available for potato from kde.debian.net, and was available for woody/sid until the task mechanism was overhauled recently. If he didn't mention kde.debian.net (or similar) then that was a mistake, true. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian books
Linux Cookbook http://www.linuxfreak.org/post.php/08/11/2001/119.html ramsubs wrote: Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? I have a book called Debian Unleashed that is excellent. Although, I bought it some time ago and it came with 2.1. See if there is a new edition for 2.2. This book covers programming, sysadmin, networking, and a lot more. Definitely worth checking out. Ian I recently picked up Debian GNU/Linux Bible by Steve Hunger ... Hunger Publishings it came with 2.2r2 its rated Beginer to Advanced.. I would say ... closer to moderate users... most Advanced Debian users would be well beyond what this book covers. But, if you want to get a good base for Debian its a good solid book, the other one I own is O'Reilly's but its out of date. Emerson I bought the book as well. If you ask me, it didn't help me very much. I think the book is missing the most important thing that a newbie needs to know in Debian: dSelect, apt, deb packages. Steve Hunger covers dSelect, and apt, but it's not good enough. He tells you things about it that you can already figure out when using dSelect. In my opinion, a good debian book should cover details of dSelect, apt, debian packages. A newbie is going to have trouble navigating/understanding dSelect, or even figuring it out easily. He should have covered that in great detail in the book. Steve doesn't do enough justice to Debian. I guess his idea is to leave you hungry. Also, he talked of installing KDE using task-KDE. But there is no Task-KDE!! KDE was never included in Debian 2.0 (if I remember correctly), and the accompanying CD is at 2.2R2. He's really out-of-whack. So you can see how screwed up the book is. It led me astray because I was looking for KDE when I ventured into Debian. What's worse is the forward by Debian founder Ian Murdock who comments that this book is the one (my words). I bought the book partly because of that. But what bull! Don't bother buying Debian/GNU Linux Bible. You're better off downloading stuff over debian.org. Though I'm using Debian, I refer to books by 2 good authors (in my opinion) and I recommend them: 1. Secrets of Red Hat Linux by Naba Barkakati 2. Red Hat Linux Administrator's Guide by Mohammed J Kabir I think for a newbie, understanding Debian packages is the most important. These can be found in Debian.org. Ram Linux newbie -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sunday 14 October 2001 16:53, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? As a newbie of two and a half months I found one book Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 From SAMS (ISDN 0672317001) but that 2.1 bit does make a real difference now that we are on 2.2. Here are some urls I've found particularly useful: www.debian.org/releases/potato/installguide/ is a really useful walk through of the install with plenry of robust advice on what matters and what doesn't. www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html is the Apt Howto (English language version). One debian book I would love to see is an exhaustive guide to the whole debian package management system. Nigel -- Nigel Pauli - I.T. Manager St. John's School, Northwood, U.K. http://www.st-johns.org.uk/
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I have GNU/Debian Bible (based on potato) and another from Unleashed (called Debian 2.1, or so I think). I think the first is a fine book but for advanced users it looses for the latter. Although Unleashed's a bit dated, I'm sticking with it. Anyway, you can see comments on these to books in amazon. Regards, Ricardo Diz P.S. Since I'm no longer need GNU/Debian Bible, I'm selling it (it's like new). If you happen to be interested just send me a private email. On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 01:09:09PM +0100, Nigel Pauli wrote: On Sunday 14 October 2001 16:53, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? As a newbie of two and a half months I found one book Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 From SAMS (ISDN 0672317001) but that 2.1 bit does make a real difference now that we are on 2.2. Here are some urls I've found particularly useful: www.debian.org/releases/potato/installguide/ is a really useful walk through of the install with plenry of robust advice on what matters and what doesn't. www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html is the Apt Howto (English language version). One debian book I would love to see is an exhaustive guide to the whole debian package management system. Nigel -- Nigel Pauli - I.T. Manager St. John's School, Northwood, U.K. http://www.st-johns.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpaP4ECnwwoK.pgp Description: PGP signature
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At 16:22 15.10.2001, you wrote: *** PGP Signature Status: unknown *** Signer: Unknown, Key ID x3A91933C *** Signed: 15.10.2001 16:22:44 *** Verified: 15.10.2001 16:27:29 *** BEGIN PGP VERIFIED MESSAGE *** I have GNU/Debian Bible (based on potato) and another from Unleashed (called Debian 2.1, or so I think). I think the first is a fine book but for advanced users it looses for the latter. Although Unleashed's a bit dated, I'm sticking with it. Same here : Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed. I'd give 3 start of five for it. It's fairly good book to Debian and Linux overall. However everthing isn't there, just essentials about everything with basics behind them explained well. But I don't know which book has *everything*. Only problem with it is that is for 2.1. Network is setup bit diffrently under 2.2. but otherwise there aren't big diffrences in what comes to it. I also like to keep it around, for reference altough I don't nowdays have lots of reason to look it anymore. It was good when learning, now I feel it is bit shallow altough very extensive book about Debian/linux including basic of bash, installing, network, security and devlopment etc. Maybe it isn't for total newbie, but I think is quite clear and easy to read book, if I think any other of books about computers or OS:es I've readed. I recommended it fully, but one can't rely to just one book. Personal initiave and reserach is must. Antti
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Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? I have a book called Debian Unleashed that is excellent. Although, I bought it some time ago and it came with 2.1. See if there is a new edition for 2.2. This book covers programming, sysadmin, networking, and a lot more. Definitely worth checking out. Ian I recently picked up Debian GNU/Linux Bible by Steve Hunger ... Hunger Publishings it came with 2.2r2 its rated Beginer to Advanced.. I would say ... closer to moderate users... most Advanced Debian users would be well beyond what this book covers. But, if you want to get a good base for Debian its a good solid book, the other one I own is O'Reilly's but its out of date. Emerson I bought the book as well. If you ask me, it didn't help me very much. I think the book is missing the most important thing that a newbie needs to know in Debian: dSelect, apt, deb packages. Steve Hunger covers dSelect, and apt, but it's not good enough. He tells you things about it that you can already figure out when using dSelect. In my opinion, a good debian book should cover details of dSelect, apt, debian packages. A newbie is going to have trouble navigating/understanding dSelect, or even figuring it out easily. He should have covered that in great detail in the book. Steve doesn't do enough justice to Debian. I guess his idea is to leave you hungry. Also, he talked of installing KDE using task-KDE. But there is no Task-KDE!! KDE was never included in Debian 2.0 (if I remember correctly), and the accompanying CD is at 2.2R2. He's really out-of-whack. So you can see how screwed up the book is. It led me astray because I was looking for KDE when I ventured into Debian. What's worse is the forward by Debian founder Ian Murdock who comments that this book is the one (my words). I bought the book partly because of that. But what bull! Don't bother buying Debian/GNU Linux Bible. You're better off downloading stuff over debian.org. Though I'm using Debian, I refer to books by 2 good authors (in my opinion) and I recommend them: 1. Secrets of Red Hat Linux by Naba Barkakati 2. Red Hat Linux Administrator's Guide by Mohammed J Kabir I think for a newbie, understanding Debian packages is the most important. These can be found in Debian.org. Ram Linux newbie
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Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux?
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Matthew On Sunday 14 October 2001 3:53 pm, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? There's the O'Reilly one but it's really only for people who are just starting to use Debian ... http://www.sheflug.co.uk/debgnu.html not sure about the others Thanks -- Richard
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On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 11:53:46AM -0400, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a book called Debian Unleashed that is excellent. Although, I bought it some time ago and it came with 2.1. See if there is a new edition for 2.2. This book covers programming, sysadmin, networking, and a lot more. Definitely worth checking out. Ian _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? I have a book called Debian Unleashed that is excellent. Although, I bought it some time ago and it came with 2.1. See if there is a new edition for 2.2. This book covers programming, sysadmin, networking, and a lot more. Definitely worth checking out. Ian I recently picked up Debian GNU/Linux Bible by Steve Hunger ... Hunger Publishings it came with 2.2r2 its rated Beginer to Advanced.. I would say ... closer to moderate users... most Advanced Debian users would be well beyond what this book covers. But, if you want to get a good base for Debian its a good solid book, the other one I own is O'Reilly's but its out of date. Emerson
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On Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 02:59:59PM -0500, Emerson Falcon wrote: Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? I have a book called Debian Unleashed that is excellent. Although, I bought it some time ago and it came with 2.1. See if there is a new edition for 2.2. This book covers programming, sysadmin, networking, and a lot more. Definitely worth checking out. I recently picked up Debian GNU/Linux Bible by Steve Hunger ... Hunger Publishings it came with 2.2r2 its rated Beginer to Advanced.. I would say ... closer to moderate users... most Advanced Debian users would be well beyond what this book covers. But, if you want to get a good base for Debian its a good solid book, the other one I own is O'Reilly's but its out of date. you might also want to check out the linux cookbook: http://www.dsl.org/cookbook/ it is geared towards debian. -- Sergio J. Rey http://typhoon.sdsu.edu/rey.html GPG fingerprint = 16DB 4934 E0F1 B386 AE81 D379 914C 33E5 F690 95DF Where doubt, there truth is -- 'tis her shadow. P.J. Bailey (Festus. Scene v. A Country Town) pgp6J4mVyBKFu.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Debian books
I have also used the Debian GNU/Linux Bible and would rate it about the same as Emerson. If you use it for taking your first steps in Linux, I suggest using the Linux CD included with it, at least initially. There are a few areas that are unclear. If you are comfortable at a command prompt and searching through help files, then you can work through those areas. It does give a start on a wide range of topics within Debian and suggestions on where to go next. If you have at least some computer skill and the ability to work through problems, which I assume you do, this book can be an excellent starting place. Of course, as you get started, I would recommend finding a friend who knows Debian in accompaniment with any book anyways, if you can. On a note about my own experiences, I'll add that I have found the archives of this list and the tutorials at www.debian.org often more helpful than the book when I got stuck, but the book was usually my starting point and got me pointed in the right direction when I wanted to do something new. Brad R. -Original Message- From: Emerson Falcon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 4:00 PM Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian books Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? I have a book called Debian Unleashed that is excellent. Although, I bought it some time ago and it came with 2.1. See if there is a new edition for 2.2. This book covers programming, sysadmin, networking, and a lot more. Definitely worth checking out. Ian I recently picked up Debian GNU/Linux Bible by Steve Hunger ... Hunger Publishings it came with 2.2r2 its rated Beginer to Advanced.. I would say ... closer to moderate users... most Advanced Debian users would be well beyond what this book covers. But, if you want to get a good base for Debian its a good solid book, the other one I own is O'Reilly's but its out of date. Emerson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 11:53:46AM -0400, Matthew Daubenspeck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Does anyone have suggestions of helpful books that are more directly for Debian instead of just general linux? My experience is there is no such. The O'Reilly book (McCarty) is a disappointment. There's a reasonably getting started guide from Sams (the small one, not the larger Unleashed or whaterver it is). Neither is particularly advanced. The Debian project produced a volume about two years ago but it's now quite dated. Debian Policy should be mandetory reading for those who want to have a solid understanding of Debian, the package management system, and general file locations and rationales. You'll find it at: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or $ apt-get install debian-policy $ zless /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/policy.txt.gz Otherwise, your traditional UNIX and GNU/Linux references will serve you well. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpHoR41ltGJZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian books
On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, alex wrote: Can someone tell me what they consider to be a good up to date Debian book for a beginner, one that doesn't assume that the reader has a background in Unix or DOS? Is there such a book? Where are the books about Debian? I found dozens of up to date books for RedHat and just one out of date book for Debian (O'Reilly) in the 4 large bookstores that I visited. It's not that the Debian books were sold out, there just don't to be many published. There is stuff on the web. Download it and print it out. That is what I did. Specifically, there is Dwarf's Guide to Debian GNU/LInux (2001) by Dale Scheetz. This is quite nice, but spends a lot of time with installation stuff. It is available as a Debian package, dwarfs-debian-guide in unstable. Also, there is the Debian GNU/Linux Guide by John Goerzen and Ossama Othman. This is available as the Debian package debian-guide. As far as not specifically Debian oriented books go there is the Linux Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition by Paul Sheer. This one even has its own website, htp://rute.sourceforge.net. It is a pretty detailed piece of work. For bonafide printed books, there is of course the famous Running Linux, but I also like Mark Sobell's A Practical Guide to Linux (1997, but has been carefully written so as not to date easily), and Linux: Installation Configuration and Use by Michael Kofler (nice book, but published in 1999 so getting a little long in the tooth. Still useful, though). Faheem.
Debian books
Can someone tell me what they consider to be a good up to date Debian book for a beginner, one that doesn't assume that the reader has a background in Unix or DOS? Is there such a book? Where are the books about Debian? I found dozens of up to date books for RedHat and just one out of date book for Debian (O'Reilly) in the 4 large bookstores that I visited. It's not that the Debian books were sold out, there just don't to be many published.
Re: Debian books
On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 08:14:25AM -0400, alex wrote: Can someone tell me what they consider to be a good up to date Debian book for a beginner, one that doesn't assume that the reader has a background in Unix or DOS? Is there such a book? Most of the interesting literature is available online at http://linuxdoc.org/ Have a look at getting started and the network administrator's guide. One of the best introductions would be learn to use, understand and program the bash shell. Read the bash(1) manual page and the whole lot of shell scripts that many programs on your system are. They are of very high educational value, because you'll learn both about the shell and about the system. One very good book that is only available in the stores: Essential system administration, by aeleen frisch (o'reily). The book covers many different flavours of unix and examines linux only cursorily. Where are the books about Debian? I found dozens of up to date books for RedHat and just one out of date book for Debian (O'Reilly) in the 4 large bookstores that I visited. It's not that the Debian books were sold out, there just don't to be many published. Check out the documentation secion on http://www.debian.org/ Debian is very generic and of all the linux distributions that I know, it keeps in line with standard unix practices the most. Cheers, Joost
Re: Debian books
On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 08:14:25AM -0400, alex wrote: Can someone tell me what they consider to be a good up to date Debian book for a beginner, one that doesn't assume that the reader has a background in Unix or DOS? Is there such a book? I wouldn't worry about getting a Debian-specific book. For beginning material, most distros are quite similar. I'd recommend O'Reilly's _Running_Linux_ as a book for Linux beginners. It does point out the small variations among distros, including Debian. Then, for Debian info regarding installation, the packaging system, and FAQs, check out debian.org. You should find enough info to get you started. Where are the books about Debian? I found dozens of up to date books for RedHat and just one out of date book for Debian (O'Reilly) in the 4 large bookstores that I visited. It's not that the Debian books were sold out, there just don't to be many published. This is true. There is a new book targeted at 2.2r2 named _Debian/GNU_Linux_Bible_, but I don't know if it's any good. -- Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Can someone tell me what they consider to be a good up to date Debian book for a beginner, one that doesn't assume that the reader has a background in Unix or DOS? Is there such a book? As a couple of people have mentioned already, most of the good documentation is online. Some folks also mention a couple of O'Reilly Books; Essential System Administration and Running Linux I happen to own both of those, and am a linux newbie myself. I've found both to be useful, but neither will stand on its own. I've found them most useful for helping me understand basic Linux concepts, such as run levels and what goes in the /etc directory vs the /usr directory. For the nitty-gritty commands, however, I've found both of these books to be either way out of date, or not focused (enough) on Debian. Running Linux for instance, tells you that to configure your TCP/IP address, you should modify the /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 file. At least on my Debian box, that's completely wrong - I don't even have an rc.d directory, let alone an rc.inet1 file. (the file you want, BTW, is /etc/network/interfaces) That said, both books were essential in my ability to get two Debian boxes up and running, so they do provide some value. Just understand that you'll have to take the concepts they give you and then go dig up the real command/file/location in the online Debian documentation. HTH --kurt
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On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 07:45:10AM -0700, Kurt Lieber wrote: Running Linux for instance, tells you that to configure your TCP/IP address, you should modify the /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 file. At least on my Debian box, that's completely wrong - I don't even have an rc.d directory, let alone an rc.inet1 file. (the file you want, BTW, is /etc/network/interfaces) That's because the authors have based it on the oldest distribution - Slackware Linux, which has a BSD-style init system unlike Debian and all the others which follow the System V init system. That said, both books were essential in my ability to get two Debian boxes up and running, so they do provide some value. Just understand that you'll have to take the concepts they give you and then go dig up the real command/file/location in the online Debian documentation. For a raw newbie, Bill McCarty's book is still pretty good even though it was written for Slink. And then there's tons of documentation on the Net plus a very active user community. Sam -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com
Re: Any good Debian books?
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 11 03:45:43 1999 Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 03:45:43 -0600 Resent-Date: 10 Jan 1999 23:34:01 - Resent-Cc: recipient list not shown: ; X-Envelope-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (shaul) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 (debian) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Any good Debian books? In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 08 Jan 1999 22:08:34 CST. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:21:37 +0200 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/32061 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: 1937ebb154eb1050513aecabcc5429f3 Try to look in debian's home page. I am searching for a good Debian Linux book. Does one exist? I tried meta keyword searches as above and didn't come up with anything specific to Debian. I have Using Linux published by QUE - Slackware and Linux Unleashed published by Sams - Redhat5.1, OpenLinux and Caldera. Anything for Debian? I've still got some hurtles to overcome. Read my CD ROM. Dial my ISP. You know the basics. MAN pages are good, but I would like a good book. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null I have The Debian Linus User's Guide from Linux Press. I picked it up at Borders. It's fairly basic, covering the info that you could get from the website, but in more detail. I would rate it as a good beginner's level book. Dave McFadden Effective immediately, using department funds for purchase of Microsoft products will be considered grounds for dismissal.
Re: Any good Debian books?
Try to look in debian's home page. I am searching for a good Debian Linux book. Does one exist? I tried meta keyword searches as above and didn't come up with anything specific to Debian. I have Using Linux published by QUE - Slackware and Linux Unleashed published by Sams - Redhat5.1, OpenLinux and Caldera. Anything for Debian? I've still got some hurtles to overcome. Read my CD ROM. Dial my ISP. You know the basics. MAN pages are good, but I would like a good book.
Any good Debian books?
I am searching for a good Debian Linux book. Does one exist? I tried meta keyword searches as above and didn't come up with anything specific to Debian. I have Using Linux published by QUE - Slackware and Linux Unleashed published by Sams - Redhat5.1, OpenLinux and Caldera. Anything for Debian? I've still got some hurtles to overcome. Read my CD ROM. Dial my ISP. You know the basics. MAN pages are good, but I would like a good book. ** Kevin Schavee NØCWR [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tfs.net/~n0cwr/main.html Lat 39 18 N LONG 94 57 W Vegetarians!? Ha! If plants weren't aware of being eaten! Why has some of them evolved thorns! **
Re: Any good Debian books?
I haven't been in this game too long but the only Debian specific book I have come across can be found here: http://www.linuxpress.com/001002.htm I have looked at several books and from a beginners perspective the only ones I have found worth my money, at this point are: Linux in a Nutshell, O'reilly Jessica Hekman Running Linux, O'reilly Matt Welsh Lar Kaufman A Practical Guide to Linux, Mark Sobell Hope that helps, Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am searching for a good Debian Linux book. Does one exist? I tried meta keyword searches as above and didn't come up with anything specific to Debian. I have Using Linux published by QUE - Slackware and Linux Unleashed published by Sams - Redhat5.1, OpenLinux and Caldera. Anything for Debian? I've still got some hurtles to overcome. Read my CD ROM. Dial my ISP. You know the basics. MAN pages are good, but I would like a good book. ** Kevin Schavee NØCWR [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tfs.net/~n0cwr/main.html Lat 39 18 N LONG 94 57 W Vegetarians!? Ha! If plants weren't aware of being eaten! Why has some of them evolved thorns! ** -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 11:24:38PM +, ktb wrote: | |I have looked at several books and from a beginners perspective the only ones I have |found worth my money, at this point are: |Linux in a Nutshell, O'reilly Jessica Hekman |Running Linux, O'reilly Matt Welsh Lar Kaufman |A Practical Guide to Linux, Mark Sobell Yesterday I saw a Linux book in a book store, I flipped through the book and my first impression is it's quite suitble for beginners. I can't commend more as I have not read it thoroughly. FYI, the book is called Linux A-Z, by Phil Cornes, Prentice Hall. The price is about US$25. -- Rgds, [ E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / ICQ UIN: C30E6 ] Anthony. [ http://icqtrack.hk.st -- Track your ICQ friend ]
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On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am searching for a good Debian Linux book. Since I have no connection to either Linux Press nor to Dale Sheetz, I will give a plug for a book I have found to be very useful. Dale Sheetz is one of the Debian Developers. He has written The Debian Linux User's Guide, billed as the Official Debian GNU/Linuxbook. The 2nd edition, for Debian 2.0, is published by the Linux Press, ISBN 0-9659575-0-0. It is very clear. The price is still about $38 US, and include 3 CD, 2.0 binary, source, and extras. For details see http://www.linuxpress.com. If anyone knows of any other Debian Linux books, I'd like to hear from you. --David Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux: Because I want to be there TODAY! Besides, reboots are for hardware and kernel upgrades.
Debian Books?
Hi all- I'm relatively new to Debian (just migrated from S.u.S.E.) and was wondering if anyone knows of any books that have a Debian slant. I'd like to know things like is there a debian command equivalent to rpm -q with rpm-based distributions and any other little tidbits specific to Debian. I'd search the list archives, but that would require that I know what I'm looking for. One thing that I can't figure out is how to set up a color ls. I copied a custom DIR_COLORS file to /etc, and created an alias for ls with the --color option but some of my files, namely those that are archived, compressed,etc., and image files don't display any color whatsoever. Also, I seem to be having problems setting permissions and ownerships correctly on files so that I can start a ppp connection as a user. I have been able to install my ppp-scripts in other dists and change a few ownerships and permissions and bingo, I can start a dialup session without a problem. Also is there some sort of log file that I can peruse to see all that I have installed on my system? I'm installing via ftp over a 57K modem because the cd-roms I bought from cheapbytes are screwy. Thanks for reading and I'm sure I'll be posting frequently as I acclimate to Debian. Mark
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Mark Wagnon wrote: Hi all- I'm relatively new to Debian (just migrated from S.u.S.E.) and was wondering if anyone knows of any books that have a Debian slant. I'd like to know things like is there a debian command equivalent to rpm -q with rpm-based distributions and any other little tidbits specific to Debian. I'd search the list archives, but that would require that I know what I'm looking for. man dpkg should work nice, or try using man dselect. Other than this I don't know allot about redhat, sorry One thing that I can't figure out is how to set up a color ls. I copied a custom DIR_COLORS file to /etc, and created an alias for ls with the --color option but some of my files, namely those that are archived, compressed,etc., and image files don't display any color whatsoever. I'd check the man files explaining the dir_color structure. starting with man ls... Also, I seem to be having problems setting permissions and ownerships correctly on files so that I can start a ppp connection as a user. I have been able to install my ppp-scripts in other dists and change a few ownerships and permissions and bingo, I can start a dialup session without a problem. So you fixed the problem? Also is there some sort of log file that I can peruse to see all that I have installed on my system? I'm installing via ftp over a 57K modem because the cd-roms I bought from cheapbytes are screwy. Yeah. use dselect, the package maintainer, the select option with tell you what is installed. It'll also automatically once setup download and installed the package use selection using select. Check it out. Thanks for reading and I'm sure I'll be posting frequently as I acclimate to Debian. Sure Ask away. I'd to a look on those man pages, but right now, my roommatre need win95 up. Mark -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 05:54:41PM -0700, Mark Wagnon wrote: One thing that I can't figure out is how to set up a color ls. I copied a custom DIR_COLORS file to /etc, and created an alias for ls with the --color option but some of my files, namely those that are archived, compressed,etc., and image files don't display any color whatsoever. I didn't know that the file was called LS_COLORS. I followed the instructions in the info files and I now have color in my ls! Also, I seem to be having problems setting permissions and ownerships correctly on files so that I can start a ppp connection as a user. This was my fault. I mistakenly chmoded (is that right??) my /etc/ppp directory to 644, bummer. All better now. I haven't checked the dpkg stuff yet, but I'm sure all will be okay. Thanks again Phillip and Eric Mark
Re: Debian Books?
On Thu, Aug 20, 1998 at 05:54:41PM -0700, Mark Wagnon wrote: Hi all- I'm relatively new to Debian (just migrated from S.u.S.E.) and was wondering if anyone knows of any books that have a Debian slant. I'd like to know things like is there a debian command equivalent to rpm -q with rpm-based distributions and any other little tidbits dpkg -l does the trick. Also, I seem to be having problems setting permissions and ownerships correctly on files so that I can start a ppp connection as a user. I have been able to install my ppp-scripts in other dists and change a few ownerships and permissions and bingo, I can start a dialup session without a problem. Install package called super (it's a way of giving root privs to users with some control) I used that just before I got my leased line setup. Also is there some sort of log file that I can peruse to see all that I have installed on my system? I'm installing via ftp over a 57K modem Hmm... dpkg -l will output list of all packages along with their state. This is useful for quick glance. If You want more info either use dpkg -s pkg or dselect (togheter with apt deselct is realy good) -- Robert Ramiega | [EMAIL PROTECTED]IRC: _Jedi_ | Don't underestimate IT Manager @ PDi | http://plukwa.pdi.net/| the power of Source
Re: Debian Books?
Mark Wagnon wrote: Hi all- I'm relatively new to Debian (just migrated from S.u.S.E.) and was wondering if anyone knows of any books that have a Debian slant. I'd like to know things like is there a debian command equivalent to rpm -q with rpm-based distributions and any other little tidbits specific to Debian. I'd search the list archives, but that would require that I know what I'm looking for. man dpkg should work nice, or try using man dselect. Other than this I don't know allot about redhat, sorry Be sure to try `info debian-faq' as well. (assuming you have the doc-debian and info packages installed). HTH, Eric -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
Debian Documentation (was: Debian Books and First Comments....)
Maybe what we really need is a system by which we update the FAQs and HOWTOs coming out of the Linux Documentation Project in Debian-Relevant ways ... a small-scale Debian Documentation Project rather than whole books. Heck, we could even publish a tiny booklet/pamphlet (I'm talking 20 pages here, available in Postscript or from the Debian Project office for $2 plus shipping) explaining the difference between Debian and Slack/Redhat/Caldera (and how to install debian). I like the FAQs. They're usually more current than any book. It's just tough sometimes because Debian doesn't present software as pppd version 2.3.41.2.3 but as ppp-2.3.4.deb, and often the FAQ associated with it contains information that's relevent not only to the .deb package I've downloaded, but stuff that USED to be relevent for every other release of the same software, and is now obselete. To me, it's kinda fun to hack around and figure out exactly what's going on. But for debian to get far with those of us who aren't full-time computer nuts, we'll have to make things even more simple than they already are. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ecl.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian books
Well, it seems to me that once debian is INSTALLED, you administrate it just like any other linux, unix or *nix system. There are a few quirks, but it really isn't possible to say that one *nix is _standard_, so you might say they're _all_ unstandard. While I can understand that someone might want to have a Debian complete Manual, I'm not sure it's possible. Feel free to contradict me here, those who are close to the project. What would you put in a book? Get them something like Running Linux and a copy of the network admin's guide ... As frustrating as it sometimes is, debian isn't a unified system ... it's a series of unified systems which all work together via the dependancies. Knowing where to find a particular file or how to configure something is much less a matter of knowing which version of Debian you have that it is of knowing, for example, which version of the Xbase package you have. Maybe it'd be possible to have the package maintainers document their packages more thoroughly, and distribute those. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ecl.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian books
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:15:41 -0400 (EDT), Will Lowe wrote: Well, it seems to me that once debian is INSTALLED, you administrate it just like any other linux, unix or *nix system. There are a few quirks, but it really isn't possible to say that one *nix is _standard_, so you might say they're _all_ unstandard. This IS NOT acurate. Off the top of my head: everything init.d rc0.d -rc6.d ppp adduser, start-stop-daemon., as well as other scripts things fs layout All very Debian-centric. -- Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian books
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: Well, it seems to me that once debian is INSTALLED, you administrate it just like any other linux, unix or *nix system. There are a few This IS NOT acurate. Off the top of my head: everything init.d rc0.d -rc6.d Ok. I see your point. I've read a lot of unix books that start with lines like figure out where your system keeps its startup files, and I had to hack around a little to figure out exactly where that stuff was. It _is_ pretty confusing. Even the HOWTO's in those cases are very general. Disregard my earlier silliness, I mistook your question for one of an entirely different color. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ecl.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian books
Dave Cinege wrote: This IS NOT acurate. Off the top of my head: everything init.d rc0.d -rc6.d ppp adduser, start-stop-daemon., as well as other scripts things fs layout What makes you think all that list is debian centric (no, that's not a flame-bait :))? The fs stuff is, some of the daemon is, but adduser the rc?.d/init.d is all very SVR4. My biggest problem with running debian is requiring my brain to recall both BSD SVR4 info (some things go one way, some things another). Of course all that doesn't mean a debian specific book isn't an excellent thing. Stephen --- Normality is a statistical illusion. -- me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
