Re: apt-get issues with download speed and server access
I've always used ftp://mirror.anl.gov/pub/debian/ for my Debian mirror. It's fast and up to date, I routinely see speeds of 1M/s on downloads. If you are a US citizen it is partially funded with your tax dollars so why not use it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.WNT.2.00.1406240819080.5676@BS294J41
apt-get issues with download speed and server access
(Seems like I remember seeing a thread on this recently, but I don't see it in the last week's posts.) Last week, when the kernel update came down the pipe, most of the packages had decent speed, but the kernel and some others were cut down to about a fifth normal speed. Yesterday or Saturday, when I ran apt-get update, I got server access errors on wheezy, including backports and security. Ran apt-get clean and the access errors went away. Today, I get access errors again, and they go away after apt-get clean. And all packages are downloading at about a fifth my max speed from the provider. I'm feeling a little paranoid about this. Should I just assume my wan-side connection is getting saturated for some reason? -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caar43ipzv9d-svt-pjut62l+rb_o2bxaczd6xgimgaszjmr...@mail.gmail.com
Re: apt-get issues with download speed and server access
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 23:21:48 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: (Seems like I remember seeing a thread on this recently, but I don't see it in the last week's posts.) Last week, when the kernel update came down the pipe, most of the packages had decent speed, but the kernel and some others were cut down to about a fifth normal speed. Yesterday or Saturday, when I ran apt-get update, I got server access errors on wheezy, including backports and security. Ran apt-get clean and the access errors went away. Today, I get access errors again, and they go away after apt-get clean. And all packages are downloading at about a fifth my max speed from the provider. I'm feeling a little paranoid about this. Should I just assume my wan-side connection is getting saturated for some reason? Hi Joel, I don't know whether this relates to what you're saying, but a few days ago debian.org was down, and xubuntu.org was *incredibly* slow, both on my side and at http://www.isup.me, which told me both were flat out down. I just went to sleep, and upon waking the next day, both were doing well. Also, a couple days ago, using the Debian Wheezy 64bit network install, the debian.org default mirror didn't work, so I switched to the rit.edu mirror and it worked perfectly. I don't know if any conclusions can be drawn from my anecdotes, but if you collect enough anecdotes perhaps it can help you figure out what's going wrong. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140623120455.09ece9af@mydesk
Re: apt-get issues with download speed and server access
On Mon 23 Jun 2014 at 12:04:55 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I don't know if any conclusions can be drawn from my anecdotes, but if you collect enough anecdotes perhaps it can help you figure out what's going wrong. Lots of conclusions can be drawn from anecdotal evidence but a proven aspect of troubleshooting is to rely only on factual evidence. The conclusions drawn from factual evidence may be be incorrect but at least there is a verifiable, repeatable framework to return to. Anecdotal evidence has a habit of morphing over time, which, amongst other things, makes it useless for figuring out anything. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140623182733.gg29...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: apt-get issues with download speed and server access
Joel Rees wrote:
Last week, when the kernel update came down the pipe, most of the
packages had decent speed, but the kernel and some others were cut
down to about a fifth normal speed.
What archive name are you using? I am in the US and use
ftp.us.debian.org and when I do I am actually using one of several
servers.
$ host -t a ftp.us.debian.org
ftp.us.debian.org has address 64.50.236.52
ftp.us.debian.org has address 64.50.233.100
ftp.us.debian.org has address 128.61.240.89
$ host -t a ftp.us.debian.org | awk '{print$NF}' | xargs -L1 host -t ptr
100.233.50.64.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ftp-nyc.osuosl.org.
89.240.61.128.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer debian.gtisc.gatech.edu.
52.236.50.64.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ftp-chi.osuosl.org.
That is for today. The records are routinely updated as mirrors come
and go. Sometimes a mirror will have problems and need to be dropped
out. That will be discussed on the debian-mirrors list.
Normally apt will round-robin among the servers in the list.
Sometimes one server will be having problems and will be slow.
Perhaps it is saturating its network connection. Perhaps it is
suffering a denial of service attack. Your experience sounds like
one of the mirrors at that time was likely suffering.
Alternatively there is http.debian.net. It is a CDN. It is a way to
use a redirector to dynamically select an appropriate mirror. I have
been using it and it has been working well for me. See this for
documentation.
http://http.debian.net/
Yesterday or Saturday, when I ran apt-get update, I got server access
errors on wheezy, including backports and security. Ran apt-get clean
and the access errors went away.
apt-get clean simply purges the downloaded .deb files. It shouldn't
change what you saw. But apt-get update will have an effect. I
think one apt-get update failed due to the mirror selection but then
the next one succeeded. Maybe. I think it likely.
Today, I get access errors again, and they go away after apt-get
clean. And all packages are downloading at about a fifth my max speed
from the provider.
It is also possible that the routes over the Internet through your ISP
are asymmetrical at this time. You could traceroute to each of the
mirrors you are using in turn and see how the routes are different.
Look at the times. Use ping to check each. It isn't unusual to find
routers in a path that are sick and troubling.
There is a Debian package netselect that can be used to probe
different archive servers.
apt-cache show netselect
http://github.com/apenwarr/netselect
I'm feeling a little paranoid about this. Should I just assume my
wan-side connection is getting saturated for some reason?
I wouldn't be worried about security because Debian releases are
cryptographically signed. But I would probe and try to understand the
network slowness.
Bob
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Re: Monitor network download speed
20.07.2013 18:59, Joe Riel kirjoitti: Any recommendations for a graphical tool to monitor, real-time, the download network speed. My connection to work frequently gets really slow, in which case I need to disconnect and reconnect. I currently use the gnome network monitor tool, however, its display of Network History connection speed is buggy. Right now, the vertical axis labels are: 00.0 KiB/s 20.0 KiB/s 40.0 KiB/s 60.0 KiB/s 80.0 KiB/s 00.0 KiB/s The fastest is supposed to be on the top, but what speed is it? I have no idea. This happens all the time. Other times I see all labels being 0.00 KiB/s. Even when the labeling is correct, the scaling is usually bad, so the entire graph extends to all 1/5 the height. There must be a better application. I use ntop in my firewall/router. -- jarif.bit signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: About download speed
On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 19:40 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: And while we are talking about community, you could help the community by quoting properly and interleaving or bottom posting. Lisi Is this the appropriate way? BTW, don't you find interesting that properly is derived from the same Latin word for property? And that what is appropriate always divides commonality? -- Luther Blisset GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80 I challenge you to play the game in which there is no loser but everything is fun and worthwhile! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Monitor network download speed
On 07/20/13 at 08:59am, Joe Riel wrote: Any recommendations for a graphical tool to monitor, real-time, the download network speed. My connection to work frequently gets really slow, in which case I need to disconnect and reconnect. I currently use the gnome network monitor tool, however, its display of Network History connection speed is buggy. Right now, the vertical axis labels are: 00.0 KiB/s 20.0 KiB/s 40.0 KiB/s 60.0 KiB/s 80.0 KiB/s 00.0 KiB/s The fastest is supposed to be on the top, but what speed is it? I have no idea. This happens all the time. Other times I see all labels being 0.00 KiB/s. Even when the labeling is correct, the scaling is usually bad, so the entire graph extends to all 1/5 the height. There must be a better application. I like nload in the console. -- WIlliam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Monitor network download speed
Any recommendations for a graphical tool to monitor, real-time, the download network speed. My connection to work frequently gets really slow, in which case I need to disconnect and reconnect. I currently use the gnome network monitor tool, however, its display of Network History connection speed is buggy. Right now, the vertical axis labels are: 00.0 KiB/s 20.0 KiB/s 40.0 KiB/s 60.0 KiB/s 80.0 KiB/s 00.0 KiB/s The fastest is supposed to be on the top, but what speed is it? I have no idea. This happens all the time. Other times I see all labels being 0.00 KiB/s. Even when the labeling is correct, the scaling is usually bad, so the entire graph extends to all 1/5 the height. There must be a better application. -- Joe Riel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mwphi5n2@san.rr.com
Re: Monitor network download speed
On 20/07/13 16:59, Joe Riel wrote: Any recommendations for a graphical tool to monitor, real-time, the download network speed. My connection to work frequently gets really slow, in which case I need to disconnect and reconnect. I currently use the gnome network monitor tool, however, its display of Network History connection speed is buggy. Right now, the vertical axis labels are: 00.0 KiB/s 20.0 KiB/s 40.0 KiB/s 60.0 KiB/s 80.0 KiB/s 00.0 KiB/s The fastest is supposed to be on the top, but what speed is it? I have no idea. This happens all the time. Other times I see all labels being 0.00 KiB/s. Even when the labeling is correct, the scaling is usually bad, so the entire graph extends to all 1/5 the height. There must be a better application. I've used Munin http://munin-monitoring.org/ for a number of years now, should be a good fit to what you describe. How do you currently access the raw data (i.e. download speed data)? -- Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51eacea3.6080...@gmail.com
Re: Monitor network download speed
On 07/20/2013 11:59 AM, Joe Riel wrote: Any recommendations for a graphical tool to monitor, real-time, the download network speed. My connection to work frequently gets really slow, in which case I need to disconnect and reconnect. I currently use the gnome network monitor tool, however, its display of Network History connection speed is buggy. Right now, the vertical axis labels are: 00.0 KiB/s 20.0 KiB/s 40.0 KiB/s 60.0 KiB/s 80.0 KiB/s 00.0 KiB/s The fastest is supposed to be on the top, but what speed is it? I have no idea. This happens all the time. Other times I see all labels being 0.00 KiB/s. Even when the labeling is correct, the scaling is usually bad, so the entire graph extends to all 1/5 the height. There must be a better application. I have taken a liking to the slurm Debian package in a console and Conky in X. HTH -- Wayne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51ead96d.5080...@gmail.com
Re: About download speed
On Friday 19 July 2013 17:14:33 André Nunes Batista wrote: And I'm helping him to understand Debian as a community not as a software company. Or hope so. It doesn't seem to me likely that you have helped him understand that at all. And while we are talking about community, you could help the community by quoting properly and interleaving or bottom posting. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201307201940.32202.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Monitor network download speed
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 08:59:45AM -0700, Joe Riel wrote: Any recommendations for a graphical tool to monitor, real-time, the download network speed. My connection to work frequently gets really slow, in which case I need to disconnect and reconnect. I currently use the gnome network monitor tool, however, its display of Network History connection speed is buggy. Right now, the vertical axis labels are: 00.0 KiB/s 20.0 KiB/s 40.0 KiB/s 60.0 KiB/s 80.0 KiB/s 00.0 KiB/s The fastest is supposed to be on the top, but what speed is it? I have no idea. This happens all the time. Other times I see all labels being 0.00 KiB/s. Even when the labeling is correct, the scaling is usually bad, so the entire graph extends to all 1/5 the height. There must be a better application. -- Joe Riel CLI app but works in a reliable fashion. vnstat - http://humdi.net/vnstat/ Available in the Debian repositories. -- staticsafe O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org Please don't top post. Please don't CC! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130720203311.ga17...@uriel.asininetech.com
Re: Monitor network download speed
On Sat, 2013-07-20 at 16:33 -0400, staticsafe wrote: CLI app but works in a reliable fashion. vnstat - http://humdi.net/vnstat/ Available in the Debian repositories. Seems to be a great lightweight application. Thank you, I didn't know it and test it on Arch at the moment. $ vnstat -l 0 :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1374365496.819.1.camel@archlinux
Re: About download speed
And I'm helping him to understand Debian as a community not as a software company. Or hope so. -- Luther Blisset GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80 I challenge you to play the game in which there is no loser but everything is fun and worthwhile! ---BeginMessage--- On Wednesday 10 July 2013 18:43:53 André Nunes Batista wrote: Please, note that this is debian user list, not debian customer service list. He's trying to be a Debian user. Seems fair enough to me. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201307182228.03101.lisi.re...@gmail.com ---End Message--- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: About download speed
On Wednesday 10 July 2013 18:43:53 André Nunes Batista wrote: Please, note that this is debian user list, not debian customer service list. He's trying to be a Debian user. Seems fair enough to me. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201307182228.03101.lisi.re...@gmail.com
About download speed
Hello, Greetings from Nepal. I am Manoj Ghimire from Nepal. I am currently using Ubuntu 13.04. I wanted to switch to Debian so I tried to download the ISO file from your website. What I get is about 20KB/s download speed which is maximum some times I even get less that 15KB/s. Ubuntu has download speed of about 100KB/s. It has cache ubuntu.ntc.net.np which happens to be hosted by NTC. It is the telecom provider of Nepal. Can you guys request NTC to host your distribution too??? I think they can. Until then its simply impossible for us to download Debian or get updates installed. Furthermore we don't have a place to buy latest Debian DVD in Nepal. I am a big fan of Linux, specially of Debian so please do something about it. Sincerely yours Manoj Ghimire
Re: About download speed
why can't *you* request NTC to set up a Debian mirror? If you're a customer, then they're more likely to listen to you that some random Debian supporter! On 10/07/13 11:31, Manoj Ghimire wrote: Hello, Greetings from Nepal. I am Manoj Ghimire from Nepal. I am currently using Ubuntu 13.04. I wanted to switch to Debian so I tried to download the ISO file from your website. What I get is about 20KB/s download speed which is maximum some times I even get less that 15KB/s. Ubuntu has download speed of about 100KB/s. It has cache ubuntu.ntc.net.np which happens to be hosted by NTC. It is the telecom provider of Nepal. Can you guys request NTC to host your distribution too??? I think they can. Until then its simply impossible for us to download Debian or get updates installed. Furthermore we don't have a place to buy latest Debian DVD in Nepal. I am a big fan of Linux, specially of Debian so please do something about it. Sincerely yours Manoj Ghimire -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51dd40b4.7020...@vanderhoff.org
Re: About download speed
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:08:36PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: why can't *you* request NTC to set up a Debian mirror? If you're a customer, then they're more likely to listen to you that some random Debian supporter! On 10/07/13 11:31, Manoj Ghimire wrote: Hello, Greetings from Nepal. I am Manoj Ghimire from Nepal. I am currently using Ubuntu 13.04. I wanted to switch to Debian so I tried to download the ISO file from your website. What I get is about 20KB/s download speed which is maximum some times I even get less that 15KB/s. Ubuntu has download speed of about 100KB/s. It has cache ubuntu.ntc.net.np which happens to be hosted by NTC. It is the telecom provider of Nepal. Can you guys request NTC to host your distribution too??? I think they can. Until then its simply impossible for us to download Debian or get updates installed. Furthermore we don't have a place to buy latest Debian DVD in Nepal. I am a big fan of Linux, specially of Debian so please do something about it. Tony, please don't top-post. Manoj -- Please get in contact with NTC and point them at http://www.debian.org/mirror/ which has instructions for people who want to set up mirrors and http://www.debian.org/mirror/official discusses how to become an official country-wide mirror. You can buy Debian DVDs from many places; the ones listed here: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ who ship internationally are marked as such. -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130710140421.gg31...@randomstring.org
Re: About download speed
Please, note that this is debian user list, not debian customer service list. Besides what others said, you could also try to download using bittorrent. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/ Look for you architecture and bt when browsing folders. -- Luther Blisset GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80 I challenge you to play the game in which there is no loser but everything is fun and worthwhile! ---BeginMessage--- On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:08:36PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: why can't *you* request NTC to set up a Debian mirror? If you're a customer, then they're more likely to listen to you that some random Debian supporter! On 10/07/13 11:31, Manoj Ghimire wrote: Hello, Greetings from Nepal. I am Manoj Ghimire from Nepal. I am currently using Ubuntu 13.04. I wanted to switch to Debian so I tried to download the ISO file from your website. What I get is about 20KB/s download speed which is maximum some times I even get less that 15KB/s. Ubuntu has download speed of about 100KB/s. It has cache ubuntu.ntc.net.np which happens to be hosted by NTC. It is the telecom provider of Nepal. Can you guys request NTC to host your distribution too??? I think they can. Until then its simply impossible for us to download Debian or get updates installed. Furthermore we don't have a place to buy latest Debian DVD in Nepal. I am a big fan of Linux, specially of Debian so please do something about it. Tony, please don't top-post. Manoj -- Please get in contact with NTC and point them at http://www.debian.org/mirror/ which has instructions for people who want to set up mirrors and http://www.debian.org/mirror/official discusses how to become an official country-wide mirror. You can buy Debian DVDs from many places; the ones listed here: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ who ship internationally are marked as such. -dsr- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130710140421.gg31...@randomstring.org ---End Message--- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: About download speed
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:43 AM, André Nunes Batista andrenbati...@gmail.com wrote: Please, note that this is debian user list, not debian customer service list. Asia sometimes has problems with mirror configurations that tend to slime-pit certain distros in certain areas at certain times. Not with apt-get, but definitely with yum update and with downloading images from mirrors on some weekends. Besides what others said, you could also try to download using bittorrent. Excellent suggestion for downloading install images. But I'm thinking we generate as much or more traffic with apt-get. Can apt-get be configured to use bt? Does it already, and I just haven't noticed? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.1.0/ Look for you architecture and bt when browsing folders. -- Luther Blisset GNUPG/PGP KEY: 6722CF80 I challenge you to play the game in which there is no loser but everything is fun and worthwhile! -- Forwarded message -- From: Dan Ritter d...@randomstring.org To: Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:04:21 -0400 Subject: Re: About download speed On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:08:36PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: why can't *you* request NTC to set up a Debian mirror? If you're a customer, then they're more likely to listen to you that some random Debian supporter! On 10/07/13 11:31, Manoj Ghimire wrote: Hello, Greetings from Nepal. I am Manoj Ghimire from Nepal. I am currently using Ubuntu 13.04. I wanted to switch to Debian so I tried to download the ISO file from your website. What I get is about 20KB/s download speed which is maximum some times I even get less that 15KB/s. Ubuntu has download speed of about 100KB/s. It has cache ubuntu.ntc.net.np which happens to be hosted by NTC. It is the telecom provider of Nepal. Can you guys request NTC to host your distribution too??? I think they can. Until then its simply impossible for us to download Debian or get updates installed. Furthermore we don't have a place to buy latest Debian DVD in Nepal. I am a big fan of Linux, specially of Debian so please do something about it. Tony, please don't top-post. Manoj -- Please get in contact with NTC and point them at http://www.debian.org/mirror/ which has instructions for people who want to set up mirrors and http://www.debian.org/mirror/official discusses how to become an official country-wide mirror. You can buy Debian DVDs from many places; the ones listed here: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ who ship internationally are marked as such. -dsr- -- Joel Rees
Re: About download speed
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 06:31 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: Can apt-get be configured to use bt? Does it already, and I just haven't noticed? http://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1373492445.676.34.camel@archlinux
Re: About download speed
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 06:31 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: Can apt-get be configured to use bt? Does it already, and I just haven't noticed? http://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent And I find this tid-bit: ISPs have created proxies, blockers and stutterers (dropping 50% of traffic) to deal with the problem of bittorrent, which is what I had assumed was happening several months ago, and, to which suggestion, I incurred some ire on the Fedora list. (Perhaps because my speculations included some other random buckshot that hit a target those participants on the fedora users list felt defensive about. Not that those random speculations were particularly off-base either, but that's how it is with politics and how it mixes with the industry.) So, torrents in the updates are not quite there yet. In one sense, not having as many mirrors as Fedora seems to be a good thing. I wonder whether I can do something to help. If I can find some time. -- Joel Rees
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 11:30:05 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Fri, August 24, 2012 7:47 am, Camaleón wrote: (...) Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s Regards and thanks, Holly cow! That numbers are not good at all. It has been a few days since their last contact. In the interim I have watched the speed factor improve. I'm now getting a download speed of 93.51 Mb/s. Ah, that number looks more normal. - Ensure you are selecting a server that is close to your location (whether in doubt, let the app to automatically select the best for you). The server is getting selected by the app and it's in the city I am living in. Okay. - Run the test at regular intervals, on different hours. I've been doing that and feeding the figures back to them. They have their own server for speed testing and there has been some disparity in the figures. That has been fed back to them also. I prefer to use a different speed test other than the one my provider suggests, just to have something to compare with (and also because I don't trust them too much...). - Restart the modem-router, sometime they're simply clogged. Yes, I have done that on a number of occasions. I'm quite satisfied that there is no bottleneck at this end. Everything is a minimum of 100 Mb capable. Fine. - What kind of connection technology (cable, ftth, vdsl...) is your ISP providning you? What's the up/down speed you have paid for? Cable and an upper limit of 100 Mb/s. They advertise 2 Mb/s upload, which is less than half the international average. As somebody that would be classified as a typical home-based end user, that doesn't concern me however. Ah, then the upload speed rate you got was very good. One question... cable operators also promote/promise a 100% of the contracted speed? You know that for ADSL the norm is a guarantee the 10% of the hired speed (for fiber is usually the 100%) but as I never workes with cable I can't tell :-? - Is your local network using a gigabit infrastructure? This means ethernet cabling has to be at least Cat 5e or Cat6, and also the modem- router as well any other additional device you may have (e.g., ONT for fiber links). No fibre, although a national roll-out for that service has begun (along with compromised routers, no doubt). Gigabit infrastructure is what it is advertised at present. I mean in your premises, at your home (your computer's network card, your switch, cabling...) it has to be all Gigabit. For ADSL using ethernet is fine but when you are reaching higher speeds is better to use Gigabit to avoid bottlenecks at your side. - Forget wireless devices if you want to get the best numbers for your high speed connection. Yes, I'm aware of that one. Still a lover of wires. Good :-) - Look at the modem-router for the real speed it is synced. They supply the router - a tailored Netgear CG3100. I can't find any reference to sync. Mmm, that looks like a router not the modem. This value uses to be available at the modem but to be sincere, I don't know how the cable modems can be accessed (should they can), you will have to look at the manual. As a side note, remember that a cable connections are shared between many people, not just you (that's why I prefer fiber or ADSL :-P), so unless your provider does a good job in load balancing and has good equipment at their exchange, you can experience these sudden speed drop downs from time to time. If they maintain a reasonable download rate, I'll hold off on the media campaign. They have been advised. Regards and thanks, Well put! :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k1ac67$s0t$4...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:29:52 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:39:46 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: (...) Can you please provide the results of this speed test? http://www.speedtest.net/ I get: Ping: 3 ms Download: 86.09 Mbps Upload: 9.96 Mbps I get: Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s Regards and thanks, Holly cow! That numbers are not good at all. - Ensure you are selecting a server that is close to your location (whether in doubt, let the app to automatically select the best for you). - Run the test at regular intervals, on different hours. - Restart the modem-router, sometime they're simply clogged. - What kind of connection technology (cable, ftth, vdsl...) is your ISP providning you? What's the up/down speed you have paid for? - Is your local network using a gigabit infrastructure? This means ethernet cabling has to be at least Cat 5e or Cat6, and also the modem- router as well any other additional device you may have (e.g., ONT for fiber links). - Forget wireless devices if you want to get the best numbers for your high speed connection. - Look at the modem-router for the real speed it is synced. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k1846i$k87$8...@ger.gmane.org
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On Vi, 24 aug 12, 14:47:46, Camaleón wrote: Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s [...] - Forget wireless devices if you want to get the best numbers for your high speed connection. Good point, I get about 24+ Mbit/s (2.7 MB/s) over a 54 Mbit/s (Wireless G) connection. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Fri, August 24, 2012 7:47 am, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:29:52 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:39:46 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: (...) Can you please provide the results of this speed test? http://www.speedtest.net/ I get: Ping: 3 ms Download: 86.09 Mbps Upload: 9.96 Mbps I get: Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s Regards and thanks, Holly cow! That numbers are not good at all. It has been a few days since their last contact. In the interim I have watched the speed factor improve. I'm now getting a download speed of 93.51 Mb/s. - Ensure you are selecting a server that is close to your location (whether in doubt, let the app to automatically select the best for you). The server is getting selected by the app and it's in the city I am living in. - Run the test at regular intervals, on different hours. I've been doing that and feeding the figures back to them. They have their own server for speed testing and there has been some disparity in the figures. That has been fed back to them also. - Restart the modem-router, sometime they're simply clogged. Yes, I have done that on a number of occasions. I'm quite satisfied that there is no bottleneck at this end. Everything is a minimum of 100 Mb capable. - What kind of connection technology (cable, ftth, vdsl...) is your ISP providning you? What's the up/down speed you have paid for? Cable and an upper limit of 100 Mb/s. They advertise 2 Mb/s upload, which is less than half the international average. As somebody that would be classified as a typical home-based end user, that doesn't concern me however. - Is your local network using a gigabit infrastructure? This means ethernet cabling has to be at least Cat 5e or Cat6, and also the modem- router as well any other additional device you may have (e.g., ONT for fiber links). No fibre, although a national roll-out for that service has begun (along with compromised routers, no doubt). Gigabit infrastructure is what it is advertised at present. - Forget wireless devices if you want to get the best numbers for your high speed connection. Yes, I'm aware of that one. Still a lover of wires. - Look at the modem-router for the real speed it is synced. They supply the router - a tailored Netgear CG3100. I can't find any reference to sync. If they maintain a reasonable download rate, I'll hold off on the media campaign. They have been advised. Regards and thanks, Weaver. -- The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . . -- Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a39336ffccf73f1f29e475f677bad9df.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net
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On Mi, 22 aug 12, 13:29:52, Weaver wrote: Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s Ok, still far away from the advertised 100 Mb/s, but not that bad. Did you do the test with the recommended server or did you try also other ones? Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Mi, 22 aug 12, 13:29:52, Weaver wrote: Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s Ok, still far away from the advertised 100 Mb/s, but not that bad. Did you do the test with the recommended server or did you try also other ones? I tried two and the cross-comparison was fairly even. I've also noticed, since I've been making some noise, that the speed has picked up a little and remained reasonably constant for over a day now, so the situation is not as much out of their control as they would make out. Regards, Weaver -- I invite you to name a society that created a secret prison system, outside the rule of law, where torture takes place, that sooner or later didn't turn the abuse against it's own citizens. -- Naomi Wolf - October 11, 2007 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/38e5c033ec935c915de085feef261dcc.squir...@fulvetta.riseup.net
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
I have a little off-this-thread questions. Once I used the wget to download one file from debian repository, on another terminal I with to use the wget to get another file at the same time from the same repository. I was discouraged to do that, and was also told that, two wget downloading would deduce the downloading speed, I should have waited one finished before download another one. It's happened two years ago, but I still remembered that suggestions. Even later in my life I still download two or more at the same time. Here my question is that, is it true that open two wget will affect the downloading speed? better one by one, just suspect it. Thanks, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5035d5e3.7030...@gmail.com
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lina wrote: Once I used the wget to download one file from debian repository, on another terminal I with to use the wget to get another file at the same time from the same repository. And if you needed both files then that seems fine to me. I was discouraged to do that, and was also told that, two wget downloading would deduce the downloading speed, I should have waited one finished before download another one. *Should* is too strong. It doesn't hurt anything to download two files at the same time. Or three. A hundred is probably too many though. But really there isn't any difference in the overall result. It's happened two years ago, but I still remembered that suggestions. Even later in my life I still download two or more at the same time. Sure. I often have multiple things happening at the same time. It is why I use a multitasking operating system. Here my question is that, is it true that open two wget will affect the downloading speed? better one by one, just suspect it. Let's assume you have a 1.0 Mbit/s download connection. Because it makes the math easier. And assume you need a 1.0 Mbyte file. With no other overhead it will take aproximately 10 seconds to download. Now let's assume that you download two of those files at the same time. You still only have 1.0Mbit/s download speed. But now you are downloading 2.0Mbytes of data in total. Obviously the total download will take aproximately 20 seconds to download. If you ran them sequentually then the first one would finish in 10 seconds and then the second one would start and it would finish 10 seconds later. So it would take 20 seconds in total for both to download both of those files. If you ran them both at the same time then neither would be able to get the full 1.0Mbit/s download speed. It should balance out between them and each would get about 0.5Mbit/s download speed. Which would double the amount of time each would take. Each would take about 20 seconds to download those files but both are running at the same time. So once again it would take 20 seconds in total for both to download those files. No difference! Now if you needed *one* of those files first then you would download it first and not start any of the others until you had what you needed first. You would prioritize. You would get the high priority items first. Because then in 10 seconds you would have something you needed first. You would hold off the lower priority items that could wait to get the ones that you wanted soonest. Hopefully all of that makes sense and enables you to do whatever makes the most sense at that moment in time. If the bottleneck in speed is your local network connection to the Internet then you would whatever you wanted to make your task easiest. Now here is a twist. This is a obtuse thing but useful to know about. If the bottleneck is competition with other people then the situation is different. Let's say you are working at a small business or school or coffee shop along with nine other people for ten total people downloading things. There is still a 1.0Mbit/s download capacity. But now ten people are using it. So you are only getting 0.1Mbit/s download speed. Getting that 1.0Mbyte file now takes 100 seconds instead of 10 seconds. Because nine others, all ten of you in total, are all downloading all at the same time and the system is sharing the bandwidth across all of you. So now it takes 100 seconds. Now here is the twist. If you can split that file up into nine parts and then start nine downloads in parallel you will get the total 1Mbyte file downloaded in 50 seconds. That is now twice as fast as the 100 second case! The system doesn't know about users. The system knows about download connections. If you have nine downloads going at once but your nine other coworkers each have one that is 18 total downloads going at once. The system will share the bandwidth across all 18 of those. But 9 of those are yours and 9 belong to the rest of your coworkers. So you are getting half of the available bandwidth and starving your coworkers out of their fair share. Better if you split the file into 27 parts and ran 27 downloads in parallel then you would have 27 and your coworkers would have 9 and you would have 27/(27+9)=3/4 of the bandwidth and they would have 9/(27+9)=1/4 of the bandwidth. You would be able to download a 10Mbyte file in 13.3 seconds. The system divides bandwidth up between the connections so if you have more connections then you get more bandwidth. You could keep going with this but at some point the overhead prevents further progress. This is what some file download manager programs do. This is part of what makes bittorrent so effective. Meanwhile your coworkers might be a little bit upset that you were starving them out. In response they might start doing the same thing and running a parallel download manager. This becomes an arms race with all sides trying to get more
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Thursday 23,August,2012 03:34 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: lina wrote: Once I used the wget to download one file from debian repository, on another terminal I with to use the wget to get another file at the same time from the same repository. And if you needed both files then that seems fine to me. I was discouraged to do that, and was also told that, two wget downloading would deduce the downloading speed, I should have waited one finished before download another one. *Should* is too strong. It doesn't hurt anything to download two files at the same time. Or three. A hundred is probably too many though. But really there isn't any difference in the overall results It's happened two years ago, but I still remembered that suggestions. Even later in my life I still download two or more at the same time. Sure. I often have multiple things happening at the same time. It is why I use a multitasking operating system. Here my question is that, is it true that open two wget will affect the downloading speed? better one by one, just suspect it. Let's assume you have a 1.0 Mbit/s download connection. Because it makes the math easier. And assume you need a 1.0 Mbyte file. With no other overhead it will take aproximately 10 seconds to download. Now let's assume that you download two of those files at the same time. You still only have 1.0Mbit/s download speed. But now you are downloading 2.0Mbytes of data in total. Obviously the total download will take aproximately 20 seconds to download. If you ran them sequentually then the first one would finish in 10 seconds and then the second one would start and it would finish 10 seconds later. So it would take 20 seconds in total for both to download both of those files. If you ran them both at the same time then neither would be able to get the full 1.0Mbit/s download speed. It should balance out between them and each would get about 0.5Mbit/s download speed. Which would double the amount of time each would take. Each would take about 20 seconds to download those files but both are running at the same time. So once again it would take 20 seconds in total for both to download those files. No difference! Now if you needed *one* of those files first then you would download it first and not start any of the others until you had what you needed first. You would prioritize. You would get the high priority items first. Because then in 10 seconds you would have something you needed first. You would hold off the lower priority items that could wait to get the ones that you wanted soonest. Hopefully all of that makes sense and enables you to do whatever makes the most sense at that moment in time. If the bottleneck in speed is your local network connection to the Internet then you would whatever you wanted to make your task easiest. Now here is a twist. This is a obtuse thing but useful to know about. If the bottleneck is competition with other people then the situation is different. Let's say you are working at a small business or school or coffee shop along with nine other people for ten total people downloading things. There is still a 1.0Mbit/s download capacity. But now ten people are using it. So you are only getting 0.1Mbit/s download speed. Getting that 1.0Mbyte file now takes 100 seconds instead of 10 seconds. Because nine others, all ten of you in total, are all downloading all at the same time and the system is sharing the bandwidth across all of you. So now it takes 100 seconds. Now here is the twist. If you can split that file up into nine parts and then start nine downloads in parallel you will get the total 1Mbyte file downloaded in 50 seconds. That is now twice as fast as the 100 second case! The system doesn't know about users. The system knows about download connections. If you have nine downloads going at once but your nine other coworkers each have one that is 18 total downloads going at once. The system will share the bandwidth across all 18 of those. But 9 of those are yours and 9 belong to the rest of your coworkers. So you are getting half of the available bandwidth and starving your coworkers out of their fair share. Better if you split the file into 27 parts and ran 27 downloads in parallel then you would have 27 and your coworkers would have 9 and you would have 27/(27+9)=3/4 of the bandwidth and they would have 9/(27+9)=1/4 of the bandwidth. You would be able to download a 10Mbyte file in 13.3 seconds. The system divides bandwidth up between the connections so if you have more connections then you get more bandwidth. You could keep going with this but at some point the overhead prevents further progress. This is what some file download manager programs do. This is part of what makes bittorrent so effective. Meanwhile your coworkers might be a little bit upset that you were starving them out. In response
RE: Logging ISP Download Speed.
Hi, Here my question is that, is it true that open two wget will affect the downloading speed? better one by one, just suspect it. Let's assume you have a 1.0 Mbit/s download connection. Because it makes the math easier. And assume you need a 1.0 Mbyte file. With no other overhead it will take aproximately 10 seconds to download. Now let's assume that you download two of those files at the same time. You still only have 1.0Mbit/s download speed. But now you are downloading 2.0Mbytes of data in total. Obviously the total download will take aproximately 20 seconds to download. If you ran them sequentually then the first one would finish in 10 seconds and then the second one would start and it would finish 10 seconds later. So it would take 20 seconds in total for both to download both of those files. If you ran them both at the same time then neither would be able to get the full 1.0Mbit/s download speed. It should balance out between them and each would get about 0.5Mbit/s download speed. Which would double the amount of time each would take. Each would take about 20 seconds to download those files but both are running at the same time. So once again it would take 20 seconds in total for both to download those files. No difference! One other thing to keep in mind. Usualy when downloading a file with a chatty protocol, one that needs to confirm downloading a block to the server before the next block is sent, the actual filetransfer wil not fill the full bandwith, in those cases a second download will fill up that available bandwith. I see that a lot when I transfer files via my VPN connection from my Windows PC from/to the Windows server. With a WAN optimized file protocol that is filling the available bandwith starting a second download at the same time will not help. Bonno Bloksma -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/89d1798a7351d040b4e74e0a043c69d70f006...@hglexch-01.tio.nl
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
Am Mittwoch, 22. August 2012 schrieb Weaver: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:39:46 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:37:43 -0700, Weaver wrote: I regularly log 40-47Kb/s on updates.. Cheers, And so do we all... Rick, careful when quoting... Yes, I understand this, Rick, but even with Cameleon's suggestion of downloading a larger file from Oracle's servers, at a quiet time of night, a 64 MB download (Mysql's community edition, X86_64) still takes one minute and seven seconds. Weaver, you don't have to center your attention on the time it takes but the download speed (KiB/MiB per second). As I said, using Oracle servers I can get up to 10 MiB/s which is the best number I have ever got. I understand also, that many can't get these speeds, but when you are paying for 100MB/s and not even getting ADSL1 speeds, the ethic bothers me. That's a common feeling from users with high speed links, but there is not much we can do, simply put: todays Internet is not prepared for providing that speeds but in counted sites/hosts :-( Anyway, remember that you are paying for 100 Mbps that is around 12 MiB/s. If you are referring to the download I mention, it's not even 1 MB/s. I've worked for myself, predominantly, since the age of 17 and no client would ever be able to say that they got short-changed by me. It's unethical business, pure and simple. This goes against the grain. (...) Can you please provide the results of this speed test? http://www.speedtest.net/ I get: Ping: 3 ms Download: 86.09 Mbps Upload: 9.96 Mbps I get: Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s For comparision DSL 18000 + 1 MBit Upload speed: M-Net in Germany, Nuremberg Ping: 28 ms Download: 12,32 Mbps Upload: 1,06 Mbps Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208231109.50960.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
Am Mittwoch, 22. August 2012 schrieb Weaver: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:39:46 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:37:43 -0700, Weaver wrote: I regularly log 40-47Kb/s on updates.. Cheers, And so do we all... Rick, careful when quoting... Yes, I understand this, Rick, but even with Cameleon's suggestion of downloading a larger file from Oracle's servers, at a quiet time of night, a 64 MB download (Mysql's community edition, X86_64) still takes one minute and seven seconds. Weaver, you don't have to center your attention on the time it takes but the download speed (KiB/MiB per second). As I said, using Oracle servers I can get up to 10 MiB/s which is the best number I have ever got. I understand also, that many can't get these speeds, but when you are paying for 100MB/s and not even getting ADSL1 speeds, the ethic bothers me. That's a common feeling from users with high speed links, but there is not much we can do, simply put: todays Internet is not prepared for providing that speeds but in counted sites/hosts :-( Anyway, remember that you are paying for 100 Mbps that is around 12 MiB/s. If you are referring to the download I mention, it's not even 1 MB/s. I've worked for myself, predominantly, since the age of 17 and no client would ever be able to say that they got short-changed by me. It's unethical business, pure and simple. This goes against the grain. (...) Can you please provide the results of this speed test? http://www.speedtest.net/ I get: Ping: 3 ms Download: 86.09 Mbps Upload: 9.96 Mbps I get: Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s For comparision DSL 18000 + 1 MBit Upload speed: M-Net in Germany, Nuremberg Ping: 28 ms Download: 12,32 Mbps Upload: 1,06 Mbps There are meny points of comparison. I'm paying 83.5878 Euros. As long as things like videos didn't have to stop and buffer two or three time while I was watching them, I could be quite happy. If I was getting an ADSL1 service and that's all I was paying for, I would be quite happy. But that is not the situationyet. It's the deal they are about to be hit with. If that's all the product they are prepared to deliver, that's all they will get paid for. Regards, Weaver. -- I invite you to name a society that created a secret prison system, outside the rule of law, where torture takes place, that sooner or later didn't turn the abuse against it's own citizens. -- Naomi Wolf - October 11, 2007 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b2e69283258b1350e6f07f08502e7afa.squir...@fulvetta.riseup.net
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
Am Donnerstag, 23. August 2012 schrieb Weaver: Am Mittwoch, 22. August 2012 schrieb Weaver: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:39:46 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: […] I understand also, that many can't get these speeds, but when you are paying for 100MB/s and not even getting ADSL1 speeds, the ethic bothers me. That's a common feeling from users with high speed links, but there is not much we can do, simply put: todays Internet is not prepared for providing that speeds but in counted sites/hosts :-( Anyway, remember that you are paying for 100 Mbps that is around 12 MiB/s. If you are referring to the download I mention, it's not even 1 MB/s. I've worked for myself, predominantly, since the age of 17 and no client would ever be able to say that they got short-changed by me. It's unethical business, pure and simple. This goes against the grain. (...) Can you please provide the results of this speed test? http://www.speedtest.net/ I get: Ping: 3 ms Download: 86.09 Mbps Upload: 9.96 Mbps I get: Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s For comparision DSL 18000 + 1 MBit Upload speed: M-Net in Germany, Nuremberg Ping: 28 ms Download: 12,32 Mbps Upload: 1,06 Mbps There are meny points of comparison. I'm paying 83.5878 Euros. I am paying not even half of this ;). Its about 35 Euro. For 80 Euros I would expect something more than this as well. As long as things like videos didn't have to stop and buffer two or three time while I was watching them, I could be quite happy. If I was getting an ADSL1 service and that's all I was paying for, I would be quite happy. Yes, of course. Didn´t want to imply otherwise. Actually I think the figures I get are quite close to what I pay for. Download could be a bit faster maybe, but its a better relation than 27 to 100 Mbps. But then the server have to deliver the bandwidth as well as each hop in between. This becomes more difficult the higher the bandwidth is. As you are for sure not the only one streaming videos from the net ;). -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201208231220.42740.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:37:43 -0700, Weaver wrote: I regularly log 40-47Kb/s on updates.. Cheers, And so do we all... The problem here is not the network bandwidth, it's that some parts of the update process have to download a lot of small files (a few KiB each). Each file involves a negotiation process that needs several round-trips and one or more file-directory lookups on the part of both the server and the client. The round- trips may be on the order of hundreds of milliseconds, so the time to retrieve a 4 KiB file can be on the order of a half second or more. That translates to 8KiB/s for that particular file. Sad, but it's a fact of life on a global-scale packet switched network. Look at the reported speed when downloading a large package. Here you have the opportunity to take full advantage of a big pipe and large windows on each end to fill the pipe. Your limiting rate here is more likely to be the ability of the server to get your file off its disk at the same time as it's getting other files for other clients off the same disk. For example, I find that getting security updates is much slower (factor of 4 or 5, often) than getting new packages from one of the big mirrors. The security.debian.org server seems to be a bottleneck. There's a design trade-off here -- between getting security stuff posted and available quickly (in favor of a single server or at most a small number of servers), and getting it out at high bandwidth (in favor of mirroring it to lots of servers with the attendant polling delays) the Debian folks have opted to get security stuff available quickly but at a lower bandwidth, and regular package updates available with some delay but at higher bandwidth. Hope this helps to understand what you're seeing. Yes, I understand this, Rick, but even with Cameleon's suggestion of downloading a larger file from Oracle's servers, at a quiet time of night, a 64 MB download (Mysql's community edition, X86_64) still takes one minute and seven seconds. I understand also, that many can't get these speeds, but when you are paying for 100MB/s and not even getting ADSL1 speeds, the ethic bothers me. I've worked for myself, predominantly, since the age of 17 and no client would ever be able to say that they got short-changed by me. It's unethical business, pure and simple. This goes against the grain. There was another post from somebody, also, that I deleted accidentally before replying and, yes, I understand the difference between 'bits' and 'bytes', etc. A byte is 8 bits so you are never going to get a Kilobit. I'm just a little lazy with upper and lowercase sometimes, that's all. Regards, Weaver -- I invite you to name a society that created a secret prison system, outside the rule of law, where torture takes place, that sooner or later didn't turn the abuse against it's own citizens. -- Naomi Wolf - October 11, 2007 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8f6f19d00a2776ffa1b75e2ec2ba370e.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:39:46 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:37:43 -0700, Weaver wrote: I regularly log 40-47Kb/s on updates.. Cheers, And so do we all... Rick, careful when quoting... Yes, I understand this, Rick, but even with Cameleon's suggestion of downloading a larger file from Oracle's servers, at a quiet time of night, a 64 MB download (Mysql's community edition, X86_64) still takes one minute and seven seconds. Weaver, you don't have to center your attention on the time it takes but the download speed (KiB/MiB per second). As I said, using Oracle servers I can get up to 10 MiB/s which is the best number I have ever got. I understand also, that many can't get these speeds, but when you are paying for 100MB/s and not even getting ADSL1 speeds, the ethic bothers me. That's a common feeling from users with high speed links, but there is not much we can do, simply put: todays Internet is not prepared for providing that speeds but in counted sites/hosts :-( Anyway, remember that you are paying for 100 Mbps that is around 12 MiB/s. I've worked for myself, predominantly, since the age of 17 and no client would ever be able to say that they got short-changed by me. It's unethical business, pure and simple. This goes against the grain. (...) Can you please provide the results of this speed test? http://www.speedtest.net/ I get: Ping: 3 ms Download: 86.09 Mbps Upload: 9.96 Mbps Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k12qfo$6m0$5...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 04:39:46 -0700, Weaver wrote: On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:37:43 -0700, Weaver wrote: I regularly log 40-47Kb/s on updates.. Cheers, And so do we all... Rick, careful when quoting... Yes, I understand this, Rick, but even with Cameleon's suggestion of downloading a larger file from Oracle's servers, at a quiet time of night, a 64 MB download (Mysql's community edition, X86_64) still takes one minute and seven seconds. Weaver, you don't have to center your attention on the time it takes but the download speed (KiB/MiB per second). As I said, using Oracle servers I can get up to 10 MiB/s which is the best number I have ever got. I understand also, that many can't get these speeds, but when you are paying for 100MB/s and not even getting ADSL1 speeds, the ethic bothers me. That's a common feeling from users with high speed links, but there is not much we can do, simply put: todays Internet is not prepared for providing that speeds but in counted sites/hosts :-( Anyway, remember that you are paying for 100 Mbps that is around 12 MiB/s. If you are referring to the download I mention, it's not even 1 MB/s. I've worked for myself, predominantly, since the age of 17 and no client would ever be able to say that they got short-changed by me. It's unethical business, pure and simple. This goes against the grain. (...) Can you please provide the results of this speed test? http://www.speedtest.net/ I get: Ping: 3 ms Download: 86.09 Mbps Upload: 9.96 Mbps I get: Ping: 69 ms Download: 27.71 Mb/s Upload: 2.28 Mb/s Regards and thanks, Weaver -- I invite you to name a society that created a secret prison system, outside the rule of law, where torture takes place, that sooner or later didn't turn the abuse against it's own citizens. -- Naomi Wolf - October 11, 2007 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/29343cfb7afd889e38f001ee92c975d1.squir...@fulvetta.riseup.net
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:37:43 -0700, Weaver wrote: Just to clarify on this situation: I have a cable connection that is rated at 100MB/s at full capacity. I specifically asked what the lowest speed would be, that I could expect to experience, when I took it on from an ADSL2+ connection that I tracked at 8 BYTES/s at one stage, and they said 100Kb/s (really!). We also have a fast link at the office (FTTH) rated at 100/10 Mbits and while the overall usual browsing is noticeabily faster, true is that when you are downloading a big file from a host the speed can vary a lot from one server to another. For instance, using the fiber link to go out, I can get a suitanable rate of 8 Mbits when downloading VirtualBox (~80 MiB) from Oracle servers while that speed slow downs as soon as I get a different file from a different host. Meaning: link speed matters but also does the capability of the server where you get the files because most of them limit the speed to avoid being collapsed :-) I regularly log 40-47Kb/s on updates.. Cheers, That's very litte even for a plain ADSL2+ line but the problem can be located at the server side not the client (you/your ISP network). Try with a different mirror to compare speeds or use Oracle servers -which are really fast- to get a random file, that will provide you with a more real sense about you line capabilities. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k103se$agf$4...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2012 13:37:43 -0700, Weaver wrote: I regularly log 40-47Kb/s on updates.. Cheers, And so do we all... The problem here is not the network bandwidth, it's that some parts of the update process have to download a lot of small files (a few KiB each). Each file involves a negotiation process that needs several round-trips and one or more file-directory lookups on the part of both the server and the client. The round- trips may be on the order of hundreds of milliseconds, so the time to retrieve a 4 KiB file can be on the order of a half second or more. That translates to 8KiB/s for that particular file. Sad, but it's a fact of life on a global-scale packet switched network. Look at the reported speed when downloading a large package. Here you have the opportunity to take full advantage of a big pipe and large windows on each end to fill the pipe. Your limiting rate here is more likely to be the ability of the server to get your file off its disk at the same time as it's getting other files for other clients off the same disk. For example, I find that getting security updates is much slower (factor of 4 or 5, often) than getting new packages from one of the big mirrors. The security.debian.org server seems to be a bottleneck. There's a design trade-off here -- between getting security stuff posted and available quickly (in favor of a single server or at most a small number of servers), and getting it out at high bandwidth (in favor of mirroring it to lots of servers with the attendant polling delays) the Debian folks have opted to get security stuff available quickly but at a lower bandwidth, and regular package updates available with some delay but at higher bandwidth. Hope this helps to understand what you're seeing. Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7ab3d910-6448-4533-b9fd-a66cc57cb...@pobox.com
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:52:59 -0700, Weaver wrote: What's the best programme to employ with regard to logging traffic speed from my ISP? Well, there are online tests that you can run to measure your (up/down) link speed: http://www.speedtest.net/ http://www.ookla.com/demo-custom.php I want to log and then print out, so I can then forward the information with an ultimatum. He, he... welcome to the club and good luck with your documented complaint. At least here in Spain, ISPs do what they want and users are only a PITA that pays a monthy bill but has little rights :-P I can't fail in a contract if they have, repeatedly, first. It's been going on for a year and I'm sick of being ripped off and having my intelligence insulted by entities that haven't out-grown their acne, that know no more of the situation than quoting their prepared lines from help-desk school at me. You can also find more useful about your connection quality and other technical measures from your DSL router itself. Depending on the model you'll can find a precise activity log that will tell you the speed your line is synced with the central telephone exchange and also when DSL status is going down/up or about PPPoE errors. Just to clarify on this situation: I have a cable connection that is rated at 100MB/s at full capacity. I specifically asked what the lowest speed would be, that I could expect to experience, when I took it on from an ADSL2+ connection that I tracked at 8 BYTES/s at one stage, and they said 100Kb/s (really!). I regularly log 40-47Kb/s on updates.. Cheers, Weaver. -- I invite you to name a society that created a secret prison system, outside the rule of law, where torture takes place, that sooner or later didn't turn the abuse against it's own citizens. -- Naomi Wolf - October 11, 2007 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a88090c059fd9a37991da71a3876d176.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:52:59 -0700, Weaver wrote: What's the best programme to employ with regard to logging traffic speed from my ISP? Well, there are online tests that you can run to measure your (up/down) link speed: http://www.speedtest.net/ http://www.ookla.com/demo-custom.php I want to log and then print out, so I can then forward the information with an ultimatum. He, he... welcome to the club and good luck with your documented complaint. At least here in Spain, ISPs do what they want and users are only a PITA that pays a monthy bill but has little rights :-P Here in Mexico my only right is to pay the bill and take what they give me, like it ot not. Hugo I can't fail in a contract if they have, repeatedly, first. It's been going on for a year and I'm sick of being ripped off and having my intelligence insulted by entities that haven't out-grown their acne, that know no more of the situation than quoting their prepared lines from help-desk school at me. You can also find more useful about your connection quality and other technical measures from your DSL router itself. Depending on the model you'll can find a precise activity log that will tell you the speed your line is synced with the central telephone exchange and also when DSL status is going down/up or about PPPoE errors. O.K., thanks one and all. That should give me enough to work on for a while. Regards and thanks, Weaver. -- I invite you to name a society that created a secret prison system, outside the rule of law, where torture takes place, that sooner or later didn't turn the abuse against it's own citizens. -- Naomi Wolf - October 11, 2007 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/832cbe6ad47f9d5fc1194edbe04958da.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net
RE: Logging ISP Download Speed.
Hi Weaver, What's the best programme to employ with regard to logging traffic speed from my ISP? I want to log and then print out, so I can then forward the information with an ultimatum. I can't fail in a contract if they have, repeatedly, first. It's been going on for a year and I'm sick of being ripped off and having my intelligence insulted by entities that haven't out-grown their acne, that know no more of the situation than quoting their prepared lines from help-desk school at me. Thanks for any time and trouble you may care to take. I use munin to keep track of a lot of hardware related issues on my Linux machine, including ethX traffic info. If you want to track the router stats and your router supports SNMP then you might also have a look at mrtg. Both tools make graphs for daily, weekly, monthly and yearly data. Yours sincerely, Bonno Bloksma senior systemadministrator tio university of applied sciences julianalaan 9 / 7553 ab hengelo t +31 (0)74-255 06 10 / f +31 (0)74-255 06 11 The Netherlands b.blok...@tio.nl / www.tio.nl Follow us at Twitter / Facebook / Hyves / YouTube
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On 08/15/2012 06:52 AM, Weaver wrote: What's the best programme to employ with regard to logging traffic speed from my ISP? To achieve this, you will have to load continuously your connection in order to get the max reached. - If you do this (load test) on your gateway, your poor LAN users wont even be able to use the link. - If you wait for your users to benchload the link, that means you dont have QoS, then you'll have very bad end-result and very bad user feeling, because a minority will eat the bandwidth up. And at night, when no one is in the office, all computers off, you wont log anything... - If you ever test from one location (say one dedicated server to your gateway), you also will have to assume the server is not bandwidth overloaded, and has guaranteed bandwidth. If you cant assume that, your ISP will say it's not me, your server is not bandwidth garanteed. So, to me there is not real solution, but just complain in time when you need the bandwith and dont get it. -- RMA. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/502b3f5a.1050...@rktmb.org
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 09:19:06AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 08/15/2012 06:52 AM, Weaver wrote: What's the best programme to employ with regard to logging traffic speed from my ISP? To achieve this, you will have to load continuously your connection in order to get the max reached. I'm not entirely sure this is true. If your router has a statistics page (or a telnet interface providing such information), it's possible to use a package such as munin to log[1] the sync rate of your line periodically. This can be graphed for evidential purposes. The sync rate of the line should be sufficient information in most cases. If you're synchronised at, say 8Mb down and 1Mb up, then that should be close to what you can achieve. You can expect a little below that due to overheads, but if you're experiencing significantly worse throughput than that, then there's a problem somewhere in the network. I probably ought to point out, though, that most ISPs advertise their broadband as up to X meg, and you may find that anything between 56kpbs and that figure are legally acceptable (any slower and it's not broadband). [1] I'll leave it up to the reader to work out how to screen scrape their router's statistics page. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:52:59 -0700, Weaver wrote: What's the best programme to employ with regard to logging traffic speed from my ISP? Well, there are online tests that you can run to measure your (up/down) link speed: http://www.speedtest.net/ http://www.ookla.com/demo-custom.php I want to log and then print out, so I can then forward the information with an ultimatum. He, he... welcome to the club and good luck with your documented complaint. At least here in Spain, ISPs do what they want and users are only a PITA that pays a monthy bill but has little rights :-P I can't fail in a contract if they have, repeatedly, first. It's been going on for a year and I'm sick of being ripped off and having my intelligence insulted by entities that haven't out-grown their acne, that know no more of the situation than quoting their prepared lines from help-desk school at me. You can also find more useful about your connection quality and other technical measures from your DSL router itself. Depending on the model you'll can find a precise activity log that will tell you the speed your line is synced with the central telephone exchange and also when DSL status is going down/up or about PPPoE errors. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k0gd0l$anh$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Logging ISP Download Speed.
Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:52:59 -0700, Weaver wrote: What's the best programme to employ with regard to logging traffic speed from my ISP? Well, there are online tests that you can run to measure your (up/down) link speed: http://www.speedtest.net/ http://www.ookla.com/demo-custom.php I want to log and then print out, so I can then forward the information with an ultimatum. He, he... welcome to the club and good luck with your documented complaint. At least here in Spain, ISPs do what they want and users are only a PITA that pays a monthy bill but has little rights :-P Here in Mexico my only right is to pay the bill and take what they give me, like it ot not. Hugo I can't fail in a contract if they have, repeatedly, first. It's been going on for a year and I'm sick of being ripped off and having my intelligence insulted by entities that haven't out-grown their acne, that know no more of the situation than quoting their prepared lines from help-desk school at me. You can also find more useful about your connection quality and other technical measures from your DSL router itself. Depending on the model you'll can find a precise activity log that will tell you the speed your line is synced with the central telephone exchange and also when DSL status is going down/up or about PPPoE errors. Greetings, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/k0h7ae$ova$1...@ger.gmane.org
Logging ISP Download Speed.
Greetings all, What's the best programme to employ with regard to logging traffic speed from my ISP? I want to log and then print out, so I can then forward the information with an ultimatum. I can't fail in a contract if they have, repeatedly, first. It's been going on for a year and I'm sick of being ripped off and having my intelligence insulted by entities that haven't out-grown their acne, that know no more of the situation than quoting their prepared lines from help-desk school at me. Thanks for any time and trouble you may care to take. Regards, Weaver. -- I invite you to name a society that created a secret prison system, outside the rule of law, where torture takes place, that sooner or later didn't turn the abuse against it's own citizens. -- Naomi Wolf - October 11, 2007 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/9fdeeb6af3e3f84e4a4ef3eca388bf4a.squir...@fruiteater.riseup.net
Re: Is it possible to balance download speed and upload speed in ADSL connection
I recommend you get SDSL. They are often advertised as ADSL, but that is an incorrect name. They have a defining characteristic that the upload speed is the same as the download speed. The maximum connection I can get with my ISP on SDSL is 512kbps/512kbps, compared with 1.5Mbps/256kbps, for comparison. Alternatively, you could try bonding multiple ADSL or SDSL connections, but I have never done this. Serena Cantor wrote: I want to set up a server using a ADSL connection, download speed is as important as upload, is it possible change upload/download ratio of ADSL? Thanks! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to balance download speed and upload speed in ADSL connection
Serena Cantor wrote: I want to set up a server using a ADSL connection, download speed is as important as upload, is it possible change upload/download ratio of ADSL? Thanks! Asynchronous DSL cannot do that. You want some other DSL technology or cable instead. -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got jabber? http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Using a Proxy (Squid) will slow down download speed?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Aube schrieb: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: |3) I have 2 PCs, A and B. A downloads a file. After A's download is |completed, B downloads the same file. Will this same file downloaded |by B be retrieved from Squid (intranet speed) or from the internet? | | | Assuming the file was cachable, then yes. I would like to add: Depends on a parameter (sorry, forgot the name) that determines the max size of a (cacheable) file. If the file is larger, it won't be cached. ~ Joachim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAgO/TZY86bR8HqNwRAsJtAJ9WFiNb1GSDH4ooE9XHzDglbQyHuACeInvu fmfSFnBYBRQZXmFaxGpkyz4= =hxDd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using a Proxy (Squid) will slow down download speed?
Joachim Förster wrote: I would like to add: Depends on a parameter (sorry, forgot the name) that determines the max size of a (cacheable) file. If the file is larger, it won't be cached. True, there is a squid.conf parameter that will limit the size of cached files, but it defaults to no limit. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using a Proxy (Squid) will slow down download speed?
I'm running Squid with its basic setup. When IE's proxy connection setting is configured to use squid, the download speed will decrease by about 10KB/s. Unchecking the 'use proxy' setting will resolve the slower download speed issue. 1) Is there any setting in IE or Squid that I can use to fine tune the download speed of clients? 2) What do I look out in access.log to check if cached pages are been successfully served? (Squid automatically cache pages right?) 3) I have 2 PCs, A and B. A downloads a file. After A's download is completed, B downloads the same file. Will this same file downloaded by B be retrieved from Squid (intranet speed) or from the internet? Thanks ! Message posted via www.linuxforums.org . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using a Proxy (Squid) will slow down download speed?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running Squid with its basic setup. When IE's proxy connection setting is configured to use squid, the download speed will decrease by about 10KB/s. Unchecking the 'use proxy' setting will resolve the slower download speed issue. This seems odd. Is Squid bottlenecking somewhere? Have you tried the same download direct from the box running Squid (using wget or similar)? 1) Is there any setting in IE or Squid that I can use to fine tune the download speed of clients? Default Squid settings set no limits on download speed. Trying to tune Squid to solve a performance problem is useless unless you've determined if and where Squid is bottlenecking. 2) What do I look out in access.log to check if cached pages are been successfully served? (Squid automatically cache pages right?) TCP_HIT, and yes, Squid will automatically cache pages - if they are cachable. 3) I have 2 PCs, A and B. A downloads a file. After A's download is completed, B downloads the same file. Will this same file downloaded by B be retrieved from Squid (intranet speed) or from the internet? Assuming the file was cachable, then yes. Use Google to search for cachability test engine to find a utility that will show you if a given URL is cachable and why/why not. Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: limiting download speed
Hello. My home computer (running Debian sid, kernel 2.4) is connected to a LAN and runs Apache to serve web pages and files to other computers in the LAN. Recently admins of the LAN told me to limit total download speed from my computer over http. Than means, if one person is downloading from my computer, he should get at most N kbps, but if e.g. 3 people are downloading from my computer, each one should get at most N/3 kbps. What is the correct way to do that? Although I am a unix admin, I have never solved this before. Seems that I need to configure iproute? Or there is a better way? I want to limit only outgoing HTTP traffic; if at the same time I am uploading a file to some other computer, there should be no local speed limit. Could someone please help me to do what LAN admins want, or point to appropriate documentation? Well, here is how this may be done using iproute: dev=$1 cmd=$2 if [ $# -ne 2 -o `echo $dev | cut -c1-3` != eth -o \ \( $cmd != on -a $cmd != off \) ]; then echo usage bandwidth-limit device [on|off] 2 exit 1 fi if [ $cmd = on ]; then tc qdisc add dev $dev root handle 1:0 cbq bandwidth 10Mbit avpkt 1000 tc class add dev $dev parent 1:0 classid 1:1 cbq \ bandwidth 10Mbit rate 10MBit prio 1 cell 8 maxburst 20 avpkt 1000 allot 1514 tc class add dev $dev parent 1:0 classid 1:2 cbq bounded \ bandwidth 10Mbit rate 64kbps prio 2 cell 8 maxburst 20 avpkt 1000 allot 1514 tc qdisc add dev $dev parent 1:1 handle 11: sfq tc qdisc add dev $dev parent 1:2 handle 12: sfq tc filter add dev $dev parent 1:0 prio 1 \ protocol ip u32 match ip sport 80 0x flowid 1:2 elif [ $cmd = off ]; then tc qdisc del dev $dev root handle 1:0 cbq bandwidth 10Mbit avpkt 1000 fi n -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
limiting download speed
Hello. My home computer (running Debian sid, kernel 2.4) is connected to a LAN and runs Apache to serve web pages and files to other computers in the LAN. Recently admins of the LAN told me to limit total download speed from my computer over http. Than means, if one person is downloading from my computer, he should get at most N kbps, but if e.g. 3 people are downloading from my computer, each one should get at most N/3 kbps. What is the correct way to do that? Although I am a unix admin, I have never solved this before. Seems that I need to configure iproute? Or there is a better way? I want to limit only outgoing HTTP traffic; if at the same time I am uploading a file to some other computer, there should be no local speed limit. Could someone please help me to do what LAN admins want, or point to appropriate documentation? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Download speed
Did you try asyncmap 0 in your ppp options? On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Sture Palminger wrote: Hi Troy Thanks for your message. Yes this is a pppd connection.I have played around with mtu and mru but ther is no bigger change. Did your second suggestion and dialed upp the only BBS available around here. The download speed was ~1.5 Kb/s (run with minicom 115200 8N1 CTS/RTS). The speed reported by BBS (CONNECT 115200) , my port settings are ttyS1 UART:16550A,port:0x02f8, IRQ 3,baud_base:115200 and initialization string ATF (factory configured). Have to dig into this. Regards Sture On 19-Jun-98 Troy Hanson wrote: Is this with pppd connection? If so: Try using the utility setserial to set speed to spd_vhi (115200), also, setting the MTU and MRU to 576 helps a bit. (pppd options) If the progam is with direct serial (e.g. BBS, make sure you have the speed set to 115200 in the program). This could be a good test if your problem is with ppp connections. You can dial up to a BBS and try a Zmodem download, and see what kind of througput you get there (should be around 3.5k/sec on 33.6k modem) Hope this helps! troy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills* Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A.* * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.networksplus.net/wpmills/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Download speed
W Paul Mills wrote: Did you try asyncmap 0 in your ppp options? On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Sture Palminger wrote: Hi Troy Thanks for your message. Yes this is a pppd connection.I have played around with mtu and mru but ther is no bigger change. Did your second suggestion and dialed upp the only BBS available around here. The download speed was ~1.5 Kb/s (run with minicom 115200 8N1 CTS/RTS). The speed reported by BBS (CONNECT 115200) , my port settings are ttyS1 UART:16550A,port:0x02f8, IRQ 3,baud_base:115200 and initialization string ATF (factory configured). Have to dig into this. Regards Sture On 19-Jun-98 Troy Hanson wrote: Is this with pppd connection? If so: Try using the utility setserial to set speed to spd_vhi (115200), also, setting the MTU and MRU to 576 helps a bit. (pppd options) If the progam is with direct serial (e.g. BBS, make sure you have the speed set to 115200 in the program). This could be a good test if your problem is with ppp connections. You can dial up to a BBS and try a Zmodem download, and see what kind of througput you get there (should be around 3.5k/sec on 33.6k modem) Hope this helps! troy I just checked; 'asyncmap 0' is already the default in /etc/ppp/options -- Ed -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Download speed
Hi Troy Thanks for your message. Yes this is a pppd connection.I have played around with mtu and mru but ther is no bigger change. Did your second suggestion and dialed upp the only BBS available around here. The download speed was ~1.5 Kb/s (run with minicom 115200 8N1 CTS/RTS). The speed reported by BBS (CONNECT 115200) , my port settings are ttyS1 UART:16550A,port:0x02f8, IRQ 3,baud_base:115200 and initialization string ATF (factory configured). Have to dig into this. Regards Sture On 19-Jun-98 Troy Hanson wrote: Is this with pppd connection? If so: Try using the utility setserial to set speed to spd_vhi (115200), also, setting the MTU and MRU to 576 helps a bit. (pppd options) If the progam is with direct serial (e.g. BBS, make sure you have the speed set to 115200 in the program). This could be a good test if your problem is with ppp connections. You can dial up to a BBS and try a Zmodem download, and see what kind of througput you get there (should be around 3.5k/sec on 33.6k modem) Hope this helps! troy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Download speed
Hi Andreas Thanks for your message. The modem is an external whith cables supplied whith the modem. The configuration of the modem port is: /dev/ttyS1, Line 1, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x02f8, IRQ: 3 Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0 closing_wait: 3000, closing_wait2: infinte Flags: spd_normal skip_test session_lockout The modem string used for initzialisation is ATF (default from supplier) and the ppp configuration and starting scripts are original Debian whith only my own data changed. A download from my Internet provider looks like this (w95 whitin brackets ): Linux speed ~ 2.9 Kb/s and for the same file W95 speed ~4.9 Kb/s atv1 TERMINATION REASON.. LOCAL REQUEST LAST TX data rate... 31200 BPS (31200) HIGHEST TX data rate 31200 BPS (31200) LAST RX data rate... 48000 BPS (44000) HIGHEST RX data rate 48000 BPS (46000) Error correction PROTOCOL... LAPM(LAPM) Data COMPRESSION V42Bis (V42BIS) Line QUALITY 127 (2) Receive LEVEL... 016 (14) Highest SPX Receive State... 68 (A9) Highest SPX Transmit State.. 67 (67) EQM Sum Value... 00AD(00CD) RBS Pattern detected 00 (00) Data Rate Dropped in kbps... 00 (00) Digital Pad Detected None(None) The differences are in Line QUALITY, Highest SPX Recive State and EQM Sum Value. What they are and how they are estimated I don't know.According to Line QUALITY (range 0 - 255) the modem manual (very diminutive) says the value for a normal connection ranges from 0 to 2 and approaches 8 for a progressively poorer connection. When the value is 8 or greater the modem vill automaticly retrain if enabled by AT%E1. I agree that there must be somthing wrong in system configuration but I can't figure out what. By the way here is the modem settings: atv ACTIVE PROFILE: B0 E1 L1 M1 N1 Q0 T V1 W0 X4 Y0 C1 D2 G0 J0 K3 Q5 R1 S0 T5 X0 Y0 S00:000 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010 S05:008 S06:010 S07:050 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S18:000 S25:005 S26:001 S36:007 S37:000 S38:020 S44:020 S46:138 S48:007 S95:000 Regards Sture -- E-Mail: Sture Palminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 29-Jun-98 Time: 12:37:08 This message was sent by XFMail -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Download speed
Hi all Have installed a BOCA 56K Internet Modem. When downloading from Win95 i normally get a speed of 4.5-5.2 Kb/s but with Linux (hamm) only 2.5-3.0 Kb/s. When running Win95 the RD led is glowing almost all the time. With Linux the led is often blinking and is black for longer periods 10 sec. Recording the download in 2 sec intervall indicates max speeds of upp to 5.0 Kb/s even with Linux. As I understand it is the breaks during downloading that givs a low overall fi- gure. Is it my computer, the line or the ftp that causes the breaks. The line, ftp and the file are the same and the diff in time is ~ 10 - 15 min which I assume have a minor influence sinc tests have bin done several times always with the same result. Remains the difference i OS. I assume that this can bee fixed som way or another but dont know how. Does anybody know how to fix this or where to find articles about modems in combination whith Linux and Internet? Regards Sture Palminger -- E-Mail: Sture Palminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 19-Jun-98 Time: 12:46:29 This message was sent by XFMail -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
