Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Stefan Monnier]

>> Not really.  Which version of psgmlx are you using?
>> What problem(s) did you encounter with it?
> Most of the details are on the deb-doc list now.  Basically, emacs24 can't
> handle the old elisp in psgmlx, hence my need for an older version of emacs.

This "hence" is a bit hasty.  Myself, I would have said "hence my need
for an newer version of psgmlx".

> psgmlx afaik hasn't been updated for years. The version is 0.5.3.

duckduckgo can't find it.  Any hint where it comes from?


Stefan

Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Bob Bernstein]

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, Stefan Monnier wrote:


Not really.  Which version of psgmlx are you using?
What problem(s) did you encounter with it?


Most of the details are on the deb-doc list now. Basically, 
emacs24 can't handle the old elisp in psgmlx, hence my need for 
an older version of emacs.


psgmlx afaik hasn't been updated for years. The version is 
0.5.3. Note this is not the psgml package.


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Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Stefan Monnier]

> I think (hope) the subject says it all.

Not really.  Which version of psgmlx are you using?
What problem(s) did you encounter with it?


Stefan

Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Johann Spies  writes:

> On 27 September 2016 at 23:34, Tony Baldwin 
> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> Emacs?! People still use the crusty old thing?
> Perhaps he consider dumping that monstrosity and joining the rest
> of us in the 21st Century, and upgrade to a modern OS with a
> proper editor, such as Debian 8/Jessie with Vim!"
> 
> 
>
> Why so narrow-minded to choose only one of the two? I use both: Emacs
> for programming, org-mode and LaTeX and vim for editing config-files
> or very large text files.
>
> Sometimes I even use vim to edit ~/.emacs :) 

I suspect the post was intended humorously.

Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Johann Spies]

On 27 September 2016 at 23:34, Tony Baldwin  wrote:

>
> Emacs?! People still use the crusty old thing?
> Perhaps he consider dumping that monstrosity and joining the rest of us in
> the 21st Century, and upgrade to a modern OS with a proper editor, such as
> Debian 8/Jessie with Vim!"
>
>
Why so narrow-minded to choose only one of the two?  I use both: Emacs for
programming, org-mode and LaTeX  and vim for editing config-files or very
large text files.

Sometimes I even use vim to edit ~/.emacs :)

Regards
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Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Tony Baldwin  wrote:
> MY first thought was,"
> Emacs?! People still use the crusty old thing?
> Perhaps he consider dumping that monstrosity and joining the rest of us in
> the 21st Century, and upgrade to a modern OS with a proper editor, such as
> Debian 8/Jessie with Vim!"
>

Yes. People use Emacs. There is no one solution that fits all. You can
check this for yourself by reading the statistics from popcon[1] or by

% apt-cache search --names-only "^vim$"  | grep -v "vim-" | popsort.py
1210 vim - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor

% apt-cache search --names-only "^emacs$" | popsort.py
3216 emacs - GNU Emacs editor (metapackage)

which shows that both editors are equally popular but vim a bit more
(rank of 1210 vs 3216).

Appendix:
[1] - http://popcon.debian.org/by_inst
[2] - popsort.py is a python script I wrote to get the popularity
rank. It can be downloaded from
https://gitlab.com/d3k2mk7/rutils/blob/master/bin/popsort.py .

thanks
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Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[davidson]

Hi Bob.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016, Bob Bernstein wrote:


Oh Lord I don't have time for this.


Neither do some others, and understandably so.

But it happens I do, at the moment.


Look, I thought I'd take a shot in the dark to see if just maybe
someone who knew what psgmlx was might see my Subject: and drop into
help mode [...]


Um, there is something you do not seem to realise. Allow me to explain it to 
you.

This list is archived on the web, and many contributors to threads
here do so with the expectation that their replies will help not only
the OP, but potentially many other users as well, not all of whom are
currently subscribed to the list.

If OPs provide certain basic information,

 1. their thread is far more likely to turn up in web searches.

 2. it saves a lot of time on the part of those able to help.

 3. it saves a lot of time on the part of others searching for
 solutions to similar problems.


[...] instead of wounded pride mode: "That Bernstein fellow hurt my
feelings because he asked about something about which I am
completely ignorant. He is a bad person."


My previous message explained some listserv norms, to help you conform
to the prescribed norms of this list. And just now (above), I have
explained some of the rationale for those norms.

Violation of norms, in any group, will receive various sorts
responses. Some more patient than others.

I suspect the only feelings that have been wounded here are your own.


...goddamn touchy prima-donnas. Get over yourselves.


Sigh. When the penny drops, you will feel quite foolish.

Good luck with your project.

Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Bob Bernstein]

Oh Lord I don't have time for this.

Look, I thought I'd take a shot in the dark to see if just maybe 
someone who knew what psgmlx was might see my Subject: and drop 
into help mode instead of wounded pride mode: "That Bernstein 
fellow hurt my feelings because he asked about something about 
which I am completely ignorant. He is a bad person."


...goddamn touchy prima-donnas. Get over yourselves.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

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Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[davidson]

Hi Bob.

A few meta-suggestions are below.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016, Bob Bernstein wrote:


I think (hope) the subject says it all.


Your RELEASE: You have left unsaid what version of debian you are
using. Jessie?  Wheezy?  Something else? Something else not debian?
This matters.

Your GOAL: You have left quite mysterious what it is you are trying to
do with psgmlx. (It may be obvious to you, but it may well not be to
anyone inclined or able to help you.) This also matters. And no,
"Trying to use this renowned, non-debian package with emacs24" is not
a good answer.

Things you have TRIED/INVESTIGATED: Whether you have considered using
(or tried), for example, psgml. Whether psgml is insufficient for your
needs (again: what are those?). Whether you are concerned that its
official homepage has not been updated in over a decade, etc.

FWIW, I found these pages interesting to read:

 https://packages.debian.org/jessie/psgml
 https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/XmlModes

Finally, AFAICT, psgmlx is not a debian package at all. The question
therefore arises: *Why* would you assume that your subject line says
it all, on this listserv?  (That last question was rhetorical. No need
to clutter your reply with an answer to it, unless in fact psgmlx *is*
a debian package and I require correction on that score.)

Hope this helps.

BTW: Kill-filing Brian? Damn, dude. Stop aiming at your own foot when
you shoot. It hurts to watch.

Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Bob Bernstein]

Oops. Back in the killfile for Master Brian. 

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Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Tony Baldwin]

On 09/27/2016 05:19 PM, Brian wrote:

On Tue 27 Sep 2016 at 16:35:44 -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:


I think (hope) the subject says it all.


It does: it says - I cannot be bothered to explain in any way what I
want. But I am relying on everyone to read my mind and realise how
important this is to me. Guesses are accepted as responses.


Then perhaps my first reaction won't be as inflammatory as I'd initially 
thought.

MY first thought was,"
Emacs?! People still use the crusty old thing?
Perhaps he consider dumping that monstrosity and joining the rest of us 
in the 21st Century, and upgrade to a modern OS with a proper editor, 
such as Debian 8/Jessie with Vim!"


:-p
Ok...Getting my coat now...




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Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Brian]

On Tue 27 Sep 2016 at 16:35:44 -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote:

> I think (hope) the subject says it all.

It does: it says - I cannot be bothered to explain in any way what I
want. But I am relying on everyone to read my mind and realise how
important this is to me. Guesses are accepted as responses.

A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

[Bob Bernstein]

I think (hope) the subject says it all.

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Re: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testingI

[Camaleón]

El día 28 de septiembre de 2015, 18:54, Cesar <seriali...@openmailbox.org> 
escribió:

> Buen día a todos.
>
> Saludos Camaleón.
>
> Gracias por tu ayuda. :-D
>
> Pero como te comentaba, no pude desinstalar el paquete de emacs24, lo
> intente con apt purge --remove emacs24, apt remove emacs24, con
> synaptic.

Cuando quieras eliminar un paquete y te dé problemas puedes intentar 
forzarlo con "dpkg --purge --force-all [paquete]" pero sin ver los 
registros de error no te podría decir más. Es posible que te falle algún 
script que se ejecuta post-instalación pero en este caso también podrías 
haberlo editado a mano... en fin, hay varias opciones para eliminar los 
paquetes conflictivos.

> Y hasta trate de evitar que se actualizara.
>
> echo "emacs24 hold" | dpkg --set-selections
>
> Pero todo fue inútil; por lo que he decidido reinstalar mi ordenador sin
> instalar emacs, para que no me vuelva a dar el mismo error.
> No se lo que paso, pero se me hace extraño que este error que tuve en
> Sid, también me ocurriera dos días después en testing.
>
> Pero bueno. :|

Es normal porque ambos tienen la misma versión de paquete :-)

Ya dije que testing es una sid con 1 mes de retraso, al menos hasta que 
se congela.

> Esperare unos días para tratar de ocupar emacs y ojala que no vuelva a
> tener este mismo problema.
>
> Muchas gracias por todo.
>
> :-)

No tendría que volver a pasar porque el paquete está actualizado, pero 
oye, ¡es testing! te puede pasar esas cosas y peores así que más valdría 
que aprendieras a resolverlas para no estar reinstalando cada poco :-P

Saludos,

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Re: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testingI

[Camaleón]

El Sun, 27 Sep 2015 19:56:01 +0200, Manolo Díaz escribió:

> El domingo, 27 sep 2015 a las 17:46 UTC Camaleón escribió:
> 
>> > En Debian sid hay más errores de dependencias y hacen que el sistema
>> > se rompa en cualquier momento; se supone que debian testing tiene un
>> > poco más de estabilidad que sid.
>> 
>> Testing es una sid con 1 mes de retraso, vamos, que se puede romper de
>> la misma manera, aunque es verdad que eso sucede menos.
> 
> No. En testing no debe haber problemas de dependencia. Las veces que
> ocurre son contadas y se considera fuera de lo normal, al contrario que
> en unstable.
> 
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives#s-testing

No sé durante cuánto tiempo has tenido alguna versión testing instalada.

Yo llevo desde Squeeze con un testing perpetua y ten por seguro que los 
paquetes se rompen (no funcionan, dan errores...), generan dependencias y 
crean conflictos entre ellos que no siempre se pueden resolver 
directamente y toca esperar a que suban un paquete actualizado y 
corregido.

Y no estoy hablando de bibliotecas base del sistema ni de migraciones de 
versiones de paquetes que obviamente generan problemas mayores, estoy 
hablando de paquetes normalitos como gnome-control-center o aptitude.

Saludos,

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Re: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testingI

[Camaleón]

El Sun, 27 Sep 2015 13:42:03 -0500, Cesar escribió:

> Hola Camaleón.
> No se que pasa que yo tampoco veo los mensajes que envío y tardan en
> aparecer.

Sí, es raro :-?

> Acabo de comentar las lineas de mi archivo sources.list, y seguí las
> instrucciones.
> 
> http://pastebin.com/snuV1AT0

Gracias :-)

Rescato dos cosas que me llaman la atención:

***
sudo apt list --upgradable
(...)
emacs24/testing 24.5+1-2 amd64 [actualizable desde: 24.5+1-1]

Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
 emacs24 : Depende: emacs24-bin-common (= 24.5+1-1) pero 24.5+1-2 está 
instalado
E: Dependencias incumplidas. Pruebe de nuevo utilizando -f.
***

Pues veo que te sigue dando problemas el mismo paquete y por el mismo 
motivo, así que empiezo a pensar que la versión que tienes instalada, y 
que según indica el primer registro que mandas es la "24.5+1-1" tiene 
algún problema o simplemente se trata de que tienes versiones de paquetes 
diferentes (p. ej. "emacs24-bin-common" parece que lo tienes en su 
versión más actualizada), así que te recomendaría que eliminaras el 
paquete emacs24 completo y volvieras a instalarlo, ya en su versión 
actual "24.5+1-2".

Saludos,

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Re: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testingI

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 26 Sep 2015 20:22:43 -0500, Cesar Peña escribió:

(ese html...)

> Hola Buenas noches.
> Hace una semana esta intentando tener Debian(unstable), todo me
> funcionaba bien.

Pues es una suerte porque Sid es proclive a tener problemas, normal 
tratándose de una versión con cambios constantes.

> Pero hace dos días al actualizarlo, me genero errores de dependencias
> del programa emacs24.
> Por lo que lo abandone y reinstale mi SO y me quede con Debian testing.

Pero hombre... ¡qué radical! :-)

Si tienes Sid es que sabes lo que instalas y sabes cómo convivir con esos 
problemas de lo contrario no merece la pena instalarla.

> Hoy al querer actualizar, me apareció el mismo error :(
> No encuentro forma de resolverlo.
> No me deja desinstalar emacs24 por que se quiere actualizar y si recibo
> actualizaciones no se aplican por lo mismo. No me deja instalar nada.

En resumen, que estás atrapado en un bucle paquetil.

> Este es el error:
> ya utilice apt-get -f install (no hace nada)
> Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes extras:
>   emacs24 emacs24-bin-common emacs24-common
> Paquetes sugeridos:
>   emacs24-common-non-dfsg emacs24-el
> Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS:
>   emacs24-bin-common emacs24-common
> Se actualizarán los siguientes paquetes:
>   emacs24
> Y son mucho más lineas de error :(

A ver... pon el comando que quieres ejecutar y el error exacto que te 
aparece, no quites ni añadas nada, y si es muy extenso súbelo a 
www.pastebin.com.

> ya intente quitarlo desde synaptic y tampoco funciona aparece el mismo
> error.

(...)

Error que no sabemos cuál es.

Saludos,

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Re: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testingI

[Camaleón]

El día 27 de septiembre de 2015, 19:14, Cesar <seriali...@openmailbox.org> 
escribió:

No sé por qué me llegan tus correos al privado pero no los veo en la 
lista salvo más tarde y deshilados :-?

> Hola.
> Camaleón seguí  tus instrucciones.
>
>>Mejor haz un "apt-get update && apt-get -V dist-upgrade".
>
> Aquí esta lo que muestra la terminal:
>
> http://pastebin.com/4sM54i0T

Caray O_o

Lo que me mosquea es este mensaje, es imposible que emacs24 dependa de un 
paquete antiguo salvo que como digo, lo esté tomando localmente del caché.

***
Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
emacs24 : Depende: emacs24-bin-common (= 24.5+1-1) pero 24.5+1-2 está 
instalado
E: Dependencias incumplidas. Pruebe de nuevo utilizando -f.
***

Creo que antes de nada tendrías que poner en orden tu archivo "/etc/apt/
sources.list" y dejar habilitados sólo los repositorios de Debian 
(desactiva "#" TODO los demás). Cuando hagas este cambio manda a la lista 
el contenido del archivo:

cat /etc/apt/sources.list

Borra el caché de los .deb que tengas ("apt-get clean"), ejecuta de nuevo 
un "apt-get update && apt-get -V dist-upgrade" y manda la salida.

> Lo que no entendí ¿porque no debo de actualizar mi debian testing?; si
> tengo entendido que son mejoras, correciones de errores para su mejor
> funcionamiento.

Debes actualizar testing pero sólo con los paquetes de su rama para 
evitar conflictos.

> En Debian sid hay más errores de dependencias y hacen que el sistema se
> rompa en cualquier momento; se supone que debian testing tiene un poco 
> más de estabilidad que sid.

Testing es una sid con 1 mes de retraso, vamos, que se puede romper de la 
misma manera, aunque es verdad que eso sucede menos.

Saludos,

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Fwd: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testing

[Cesar Peña]

Hola.
Buen día.
Aquí molestándolos con mi problema.
Gracias Noel por tu respuesta y el tip de la página.
Como decía en el correo anterior  tengo debian testing no SId.
El problema radica en la actualización de emacs24.
Ayer hice un apt-get upgrade
Y me salio el siguiente error:
Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
Creando árbol de dependencias
Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
Tal vez quiera ejecutar «apt-get -f install» para corregirlo.
Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
 emacs24 : Depende: emacs24-bin-common (= 24.5+1-1) pero 24.5+1-2 está
instalado
E: Dependencias incumplidas. Pruebe de nuevo utilizando -f.
Veo que me esta requiriendo emacs24-bin-common (= 24.5+1-1), pero al
parecer tengo instalada una versión más actual.

Entonces intente con el comando apt-get -f install.
Y marco el siguiente error:

http://pastebin.com/QbSSjr7H

No me funciona ninguno de los dos comando apt-get upgrade,
apt-get -f install.

Quise quitar emacs24 desde synaptic pero marca el mismo error.

http://pastebin.com/QbSSjr7H

Gracias por su atención.☺

Saludos.

Re: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testing

[Cesar]

Hola.
Camaleón seguí  tus instrucciones.


Mejor haz un "apt-get update && apt-get -V dist-upgrade".


Aquí esta lo que muestra la terminal:

http://pastebin.com/4sM54i0T

Lo que no entendí ¿porque no debo de actualizar mi debian testing?; si tengo 
entendido que son mejoras, correciones de errores para su mejor funcionamiento.
En Debian sid hay más errores de dependencias y hacen que el sistema se rompa 
en cualquier momento; se supone que debian testing tiene un poco más de 
estabilidad que sid.

Saludos!!!

Re: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testingI

[Camaleón]

El 27 de septiembre de 2015, 17:22, Cesar Peña <serialli...@gmail.com> 
escribió:

(reenvío a la lista, me llegó al privado)

> Hola.
> Buen día.
> Aquí molestándolos con mi problema.
> Gracias Noel por tu respuesta y el tip de la página.

No me llamo Noel :-)

> Como decía en el correo anterior  tengo debian testing no SId.

Sí, eso has dicho, que has eliminado Sid porque te daba ese error y ahora 
en testing te pasa lo mismo con lo cual estás en la misma situación.

> El problema radica en la actualización de emacs24.

¿Actualizar? Estás en testing, no tienes que actualizar nada si no 
quieres romper cosas.

> Ayer hice un apt-get upgrade

Mejor haz un "apt-get update && apt-get -V dist-upgrade".

> Y me salio el siguiente error:

Acostúmbrate a enviar el comando que ejecutas *exacto*, tal cual, sin 
cambiar nada, copia/pega de lo ejecutas en una consola.

> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
> Creando árbol de dependencias  
> Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
> Tal vez quiera ejecutar «apt-get -f install» para corregirlo.
> Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
>  emacs24 : Depende: emacs24-bin-common (= 24.5+1-1) pero 24.5+1-2 está
> instalado
> E: Dependencias incumplidas. Pruebe de nuevo utilizando -f.

No puede depender de esa versión, seguramente tengas la base de datos 
local de los paquetes sin actualizar.

> Veo que me esta requiriendo emacs24-bin-common (= 24.5+1-1), pero al
> parecer tengo instalada una versión más actual.
>
> Entonces intente con el comando apt-get -f install.
> Y marco el siguiente error:
>
> http://pastebin.com/QbSSjr7H

Madre mía, menudo jaleo crea un único paquete :-O

> No me funciona ninguno de los dos comando apt-get upgrade,
> apt-get -f install.
>
> Quise quitar emacs24 desde synaptic pero marca el mismo error.
>
> http://pastebin.com/QbSSjr7H
>
> Gracias por su atención.
>
> Saludos.

Prueba con el comando que te he puesto antes y manda la salida.

Saludos,

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Re: Re: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testingI

[Cesar]

Hola Camaleón.
No se que pasa que yo tampoco veo los mensajes que envío y tardan en 
aparecer.


Acabo de comentar las lineas de mi archivo sources.list, y seguí las 
instrucciones.


http://pastebin.com/snuV1AT0

Saludo

Re: Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testingI

[Manolo Díaz]

El domingo, 27 sep 2015 a las 17:46 UTC
Camaleón escribió:

> > En Debian sid hay más errores de dependencias y hacen que el sistema se
> > rompa en cualquier momento; se supone que debian testing tiene un poco 
> > más de estabilidad que sid.  
> 
> Testing es una sid con 1 mes de retraso, vamos, que se puede romper de la 
> misma manera, aunque es verdad que eso sucede menos.

No. En testing no debe haber problemas de dependencia. Las veces que
ocurre son contadas y se considera fuera de lo normal, al contrario que
en unstable.

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives#s-testing
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Problemas de dependencia(actualización emacs24 debian testingI

[Cesar Peña]

Hola
Buenas noches.
Hace una semana esta intentando tener Debian(unstable), todo me funcionaba
bien.
Pero hace dos días al actualizarlo, me genero errores de dependencias del
programa emacs24.
Por lo que lo abandone y reinstale mi SO y me quede con Debian testing.
Hoy al querer actualizar, me apareció el mismo error :(
No encuentro forma de resolverlo.
No me deja desinstalar emacs24 por que se quiere actualizar y si recibo
actualizaciones no se aplican por lo mismo. No me deja instalar nada.
Este es el error:
ya utilice apt-get -f install (no hace nada)
Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes extras:
  emacs24 emacs24-bin-common emacs24-common
Paquetes sugeridos:
  emacs24-common-non-dfsg emacs24-el
Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS:
  emacs24-bin-common emacs24-common
Se actualizarán los siguientes paquetes:
  emacs24
Y son mucho más lineas de error :(

ya intente quitarlo desde synaptic y tampoco funciona aparece el mismo
error.

Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
Tal vez quiera ejecutar «apt-get -f install» para corregirlo.
Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
 emacs24 : Depende: emacs24-bin-common (= 24.5+1-1) pero no está instalado
E: Dependencias incumplidas. Pruebe de nuevo utilizando -f.

¿Alguien tendrá una idea de como puedo solucionar este problema?
Gracias por su amable atención.

Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Juha Heinanen]

Bob Proulx writes:

 Fonts!  Ugh.  We get to discuss fonts.  Do I want to open that
 discussion up?  I am not an expert in fonts.  But I didn't think that
 Monospace 10 was a valid font name.

Monospace is font family name that (I think) is mapped to DejaVu Sans
Mono by /etc/fonts/conf.avail/57-dejavu-sans-mono.conf.

Anyway, I replaced my .Xresource font definition with

(set-frame-font -unknown-DejaVu Sans 
Mono-normal-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1)

in my emacs init file and emacs24-lucid is happy with that.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Bob Proulx]

Juha Heinanen wrote:
 Thanks for the tip.  After installing emacs24-lucid, the warnings
 disappeared, but I got a new one:
 
 $ emacs24-lucid 
 Warning: Cannot convert string Monospace 10 to type FontStruct
 
 I have defined in .Xresources
 
 Emacs*font: Monospace 10
 
 and that used to work in emacs24.

Fonts!  Ugh.  We get to discuss fonts.  Do I want to open that
discussion up?  I am not an expert in fonts.  But I didn't think that
Monospace 10 was a valid font name.

Is that equivalent to 6x10 or 10x20?  Try one of these:

  Emacs*font:6x10

That will probably work for you and you might be happy at that point.
But let me try to convince you to try a unicode font.

In the old days we would have used fixed width fonts like some of these:
  
  5x7
  6x10
  7x13
  9x15
  10x20
  12x24

But those are US-ASCII fonts only.  All of the non-ascii characters
can't be rendered in them.  These days UTF-8 is everywhere.  So
instead of a fixed us-ascii font these days it is really much better
to use a unicode font.  One of the ISO-10646 fonts.  Try an ISO10646
font and then you will have all of the accents and umlauts working.

I like the efonts.  Fonts are such a personal preference that there is
nothing more to be done than just to try fonts and decide on what you
like for yourself.

  apt-get install xfonts-efont-unicode xfonts-efont-unicode-ib

Then you can configure emacs to use them this way:

  XTerm*Font: -efont-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1
  XTerm*Font2: -efont-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1
  XTerm*Font3: -efont-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-14-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1
  XTerm*Font4: -efont-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1
  XTerm*Font5: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--18-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1
  XTerm*Font6: -efont-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1

You would probably also like these fonts too.

  xfonts-unifont xfonts-terminus-dos xfonts-terminus-oblique xfonts-terminus

You can browse the names of fonts using xlsfonts.

  xlsfonts | less
  xlsfonts | grep fixed-medium.*iso10646 | less

I am far from a font expert.  However I know what I like and people
who are really into fonts usually like things I don't like.  If you
have been using a monospace 10 point font then you probably want one
of the fixed medium r normal fonts just like I do.

Bob


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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Juha Heinanen]

Bob Proulx writes:

 +1 FTW!  Except that it is spelled emacs-lucid.  I am using the
 emacs-lucid to avoid some bugs in the GTK+ libraries.
 
   # apt-get install emacs24-lucid

Thanks for the tip.  After installing emacs24-lucid, the warnings
disappeared, but I got a new one:

$ emacs24-lucid 
Warning: Cannot convert string Monospace 10 to type FontStruct

I have defined in .Xresources

Emacs*font: Monospace 10

and that used to work in emacs24.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Juha Heinanen]

Cláudio E. Elicker writes:

 Are you using you old emacs23 .emacs file?

My .emacs.d/init.el is the same I have used with emacs23.

 Try to launch emacs with the -q switch.
 If the warnings disappear, it's just a matter of finding the offending
 lines in your .emacs file.

Thanks for your suggestion, but unfortunately I get the warnings also
with -q option.

 EMACS is my operating system; Linux is my device driver.

Good line.  I myself have been using emacs since my university bought
DEC-20 in the late 1970s.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Juha Heinanen]

Nate Bargmann writes:

 Here those annoying messages are sent to ~/.xsession-errors which has
 been open about 9 days and is approaching 58 MiB in size.  To be fair,
 most of the garbage is not coming from glib/gtk but rather from Firefox
 (I am not using Iceweasel) complaining about javascript this or that.

Thanks for the pointer.  I just checked mine:

$ ls -ls .xsession-errors 
15967456 -rw--- 1 jh jh 16350667713 Apr 30 14:57 .xsession-errors

I'll add to my openbox/autostart a line to delete the file.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Don Armstrong]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015, Tim Kelley wrote:
 Well, typing it is cumbersome so you can do in ~/.bash_aliases or ~/.bashrc
 
 alias emacs='emacs  /dev/null 21'

I actually use the following:

#!/bin/sh
# fork and forget == faf
($@ /dev/null 21 )

as faf in ~/bin[1]

so you can do things like faf emacs; and faf evince; etc. You can also
fix up the completion in bash/zsh so that completion works as usual
after faf.

1: http://git.donarmstrong.com/?p=bin.git;a=blob;f=faf;hb=HEAD
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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Erwan David]

Le 27/04/2015 21:16, Juha Heinanen a écrit :
 Tim Kelley writes:

 If you just use the console emacs, you can install the emacs-nox version of
 24.
 In this case, i used x11 emacs, but started it from console.

 In anycase, they’re just warnings, and can be ignored.
 Yes, I know, but the warnings consume the whole page of the terminal
 window and I cannot anymore see, what was there without scrolling back,
 which is annoying.

 It’s just
 stating something some other packager did was deprecated but still
 functional .. you can start emacs with emacs /dev/null 21 if you like,
 or not start it from the terminal and start from an icon or menu.
 Typing emacs /dev/null 21 is too cumbersome and starting from menu
 looses the directory where I am.  For example, if the current dir has a
 file that I want to edit, I just used to type

 emacs file

 but now I get all the garbage to the window which is not good.

 Is there anything that can be done to get rid of those warnings?  Which
 package the bug lies?  Is there any hope that the bugs are fixed before
 the next Debian release?

You may also use lucid-emacs which works well in X11 and does nit have
those warnings since it does not use GTK. (and has same functionality).


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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Tim Kelley]

Well, typing it is cumbersome so you can do in ~/.bash_aliases or ~/.bashrc

alias emacs='emacs  /dev/null 21'

I agree though, that is annoying, and a lot of GTK programs do that. And
sending the output to null isn't really the right answer, since you'll miss
actual errors that are important. As far as I can tell, it's a compiled
flag on gtk, so filing a bug against gtk is probably the best thing to do.
You could rebuild the gtk deb from the source deb and change that and
install it too, if you want to do that.

Tim Kelley


On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Juha Heinanen j...@tutpro.com wrote:

 Tim Kelley writes:

  If you just use the console emacs, you can install the emacs-nox version
 of
  24.

 In this case, i used x11 emacs, but started it from console.

  In anycase, they’re just warnings, and can be ignored.

 Yes, I know, but the warnings consume the whole page of the terminal
 window and I cannot anymore see, what was there without scrolling back,
 which is annoying.

  It’s just
  stating something some other packager did was deprecated but still
  functional .. you can start emacs with emacs /dev/null 21 if you like,
  or not start it from the terminal and start from an icon or menu.

 Typing emacs /dev/null 21 is too cumbersome and starting from menu
 looses the directory where I am.  For example, if the current dir has a
 file that I want to edit, I just used to type

 emacs file

 but now I get all the garbage to the window which is not good.

 Is there anything that can be done to get rid of those warnings?  Which
 package the bug lies?  Is there any hope that the bugs are fixed before
 the next Debian release?

 -- Juha

Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Curt]

On 2015-04-27, Juha Heinanen j...@tutpro.com wrote:

 Typing emacs /dev/null 21 is too cumbersome and starting from menu

Create an alias.


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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Cláudio E. Elicker]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:49:50 +0300
Juha Heinanen j...@tutpro.com wrote:

 after upgrading to jessie that came with emacs24, i get the warnings
 below to terminal window each time i start emacs in x11 environment.
 any hints on how to get rid of them?
 
 -- juha
 
 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets.css:57:17: Theming engine 'unico' not found
 
 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets.css:289:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
 

...


Are you using you old emacs23 .emacs file?

Try to launch emacs with the -q switch.
If the warnings disappear, it's just a matter of finding the offending
lines in your .emacs file.

I guess it is some theme configuration. If you are (was) using the
emacs23 color-theme mode, this link can be useful:
https://github.com/emacs-jp/replace-colorthemes


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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2015-04-27 14:57:05 -0500, Tim Kelley wrote:
 Well, typing it is cumbersome so you can do in ~/.bash_aliases or ~/.bashrc
 
 alias emacs='emacs  /dev/null 21'
 
 I agree though, that is annoying, and a lot of GTK programs do that. And
 sending the output to null isn't really the right answer, since you'll miss
 actual errors that are important.

I completely agree. I would never do that. Writing a shell function
that greps out the Gtk-WARNING lines may be better.

 As far as I can tell, it's a compiled flag on gtk, so filing a bug
 against gtk is probably the best thing to do. You could rebuild the
 gtk deb from the source deb and change that and install it too, if
 you want to do that.

Are these messages output by the GTK library itself or reported to
Emacs or output by emacs itself?

Having output in a library (except for output functions, of course) is
bad practice (possibly except critical errors, like assertion failure
or memory corruption, which could mean an imminent crash or possible
data loss). Errors should be reported to the caller.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Cláudio E. Elicker]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 16:39:56 -0600
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:

 Erwan David wrote:
  Juha Heinanen a écrit :
   Is there anything that can be done to get rid of those warnings?
   Which package the bug lies?  Is there any hope that the bugs are
   fixed before the next Debian release?
 
 To fix the bugs associated with those Gtk-WARNING messages it would be
 necessary to roll up the sleeves, break out the editor, source code,
 and compilers, and start working on the GTK libraries.  There are
 seemingly endless bugs there.
 
  You may also use lucid-emacs which works well in X11 and does nit
  have those warnings since it does not use GTK. (and has same
  functionality).
 
 +1 FTW!  Except that it is spelled emacs-lucid.  I am using the
 emacs-lucid to avoid some bugs in the GTK+ libraries.
 
   # apt-get install emacs24-lucid
 
 Bob


Strange, I do not see these warnings here.



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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[The Wanderer]

On 04/27/2015 at 08:44 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:

 On 2015-04-27 14:57:05 -0500, Tim Kelley wrote:
 
 Well, typing it is cumbersome so you can do in ~/.bash_aliases or
 ~/.bashrc
 
 alias emacs='emacs  /dev/null 21'
 
 I agree though, that is annoying, and a lot of GTK programs do
 that. And sending the output to null isn't really the right answer,
 since you'll miss actual errors that are important.
 
 I completely agree. I would never do that. Writing a shell function
 that greps out the Gtk-WARNING lines may be better.

Not ideal, though, since there are (as I understand matters) often but
not necessarily always blank lines in between these Gtk-WARNING lines.
So either you cut out just the WARNING lines and still have scrolliness
because of the blank lines making it through, or you snip out the
adjacent lines and risk killing other information. (Or you make your
script potentially quite a bit more complicated.)

 As far as I can tell, it's a compiled flag on gtk, so filing a bug
 against gtk is probably the best thing to do. You could rebuild
 the gtk deb from the source deb and change that and install it too,
 if you want to do that.
 
 Are these messages output by the GTK library itself or reported to
 Emacs or output by emacs itself?
 
 Having output in a library (except for output functions, of course)
 is bad practice (possibly except critical errors, like assertion
 failure or memory corruption, which could mean an imminent crash or
 possible data loss). Errors should be reported to the caller.

Given the sheer number of different programs which I've seen output them
(this includes iceweasel and icedove), I rather suspect they're output
by the library itself. I think I researched this more specifically once,
but if so I forget the details.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2015-04-27 20:52:15 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
 On 04/27/2015 at 08:44 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
  I completely agree. I would never do that. Writing a shell function
  that greps out the Gtk-WARNING lines may be better.
 
 Not ideal, though, since there are (as I understand matters) often but
 not necessarily always blank lines in between these Gtk-WARNING lines.
 So either you cut out just the WARNING lines and still have scrolliness
 because of the blank lines making it through, or you snip out the
 adjacent lines and risk killing other information. (Or you make your
 script potentially quite a bit more complicated.)

Yes, one can write a small script that also removes blank lines that
come after a Gtk-WARNING line.

One just has to hope that no full buffering is done when stderr is
piped to a filter.

  Are these messages output by the GTK library itself or reported to
  Emacs or output by emacs itself?
  
  Having output in a library (except for output functions, of course)
  is bad practice (possibly except critical errors, like assertion
  failure or memory corruption, which could mean an imminent crash or
  possible data loss). Errors should be reported to the caller.
 
 Given the sheer number of different programs which I've seen output them
 (this includes iceweasel and icedove), I rather suspect they're output
 by the library itself. I think I researched this more specifically once,
 but if so I forget the details.

This is also what I suspect.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Nate Bargmann]

Here those annoying messages are sent to ~/.xsession-errors which has
been open about 9 days and is approaching 58 MiB in size.  To be fair,
most of the garbage is not coming from glib/gtk but rather from Firefox
(I am not using Iceweasel) complaining about javascript this or that.

Oh well, disk space is cheap...

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2015-04-27 21:29:07 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
 On 04/27/2015 at 09:24 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
  Yes, one can write a small script that also removes blank lines that
  come after a Gtk-WARNING line.
 
 My brief research seems to indicate the blank line is actually printed
 _before_ the GTK-sourced line. Not sure how much harder that would make
 things, just offhand.

Perhaps, but it may be better to filter out the one that it after. The
reason is that you don't know in advance if a blank line is part of a
Gtk-WARNING. So, you would have to delay its printing. Probably not
much a problem, but it's a bit annoying to introduce delay for a
process that may actually not output any Gtk-WARNING line at all.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2015-04-27 20:23:48 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
 Here those annoying messages are sent to ~/.xsession-errors which has
 been open about 9 days and is approaching 58 MiB in size.  To be fair,
 most of the garbage is not coming from glib/gtk but rather from Firefox
 (I am not using Iceweasel) complaining about javascript this or that.

AFAIK, these messages are simply sent to the standard error stream.
So, it depends on how applications are started. If started in a
text terminal, then these messages appear in the terminal since this
is where stderr goes by default. If started from the window manager
or desktop environment, then they probably do nothing special about
stderr, i.e. error messages typically go to the same place, which
may be the ~/.xsession-errors file.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[The Wanderer]

On 04/27/2015 at 09:24 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:

 On 2015-04-27 20:52:15 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
 
 On 04/27/2015 at 08:44 PM, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
 
 I completely agree. I would never do that. Writing a shell
 function that greps out the Gtk-WARNING lines may be better.
 
 Not ideal, though, since there are (as I understand matters) often
 but not necessarily always blank lines in between these Gtk-WARNING
 lines. So either you cut out just the WARNING lines and still have
 scrolliness because of the blank lines making it through, or you
 snip out the adjacent lines and risk killing other information. (Or
 you make your script potentially quite a bit more complicated.)
 
 Yes, one can write a small script that also removes blank lines that
 come after a Gtk-WARNING line.

My brief research seems to indicate the blank line is actually printed
_before_ the GTK-sourced line. Not sure how much harder that would make
things, just offhand.

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Bob Proulx]

Erwan David wrote:
 Juha Heinanen a écrit :
  Is there anything that can be done to get rid of those warnings?  Which
  package the bug lies?  Is there any hope that the bugs are fixed before
  the next Debian release?

To fix the bugs associated with those Gtk-WARNING messages it would be
necessary to roll up the sleeves, break out the editor, source code,
and compilers, and start working on the GTK libraries.  There are
seemingly endless bugs there.

 You may also use lucid-emacs which works well in X11 and does nit have
 those warnings since it does not use GTK. (and has same functionality).

+1 FTW!  Except that it is spelled emacs-lucid.  I am using the
emacs-lucid to avoid some bugs in the GTK+ libraries.

  # apt-get install emacs24-lucid

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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Tim Kelley]

As I understand it, it is generally considered unprofessional to have your
application print warnings.

Tim Kelley


On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:

 Erwan David wrote:
  Juha Heinanen a écrit :
   Is there anything that can be done to get rid of those warnings?  Which
   package the bug lies?  Is there any hope that the bugs are fixed before
   the next Debian release?

 To fix the bugs associated with those Gtk-WARNING messages it would be
 necessary to roll up the sleeves, break out the editor, source code,
 and compilers, and start working on the GTK libraries.  There are
 seemingly endless bugs there.

  You may also use lucid-emacs which works well in X11 and does nit have
  those warnings since it does not use GTK. (and has same functionality).

 +1 FTW!  Except that it is spelled emacs-lucid.  I am using the
 emacs-lucid to avoid some bugs in the GTK+ libraries.

   # apt-get install emacs24-lucid

 Bob

jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Juha Heinanen]

after upgrading to jessie that came with emacs24, i get the warnings
below to terminal window each time i start emacs in x11 environment.
any hints on how to get rid of them?

-- juha

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:57:17: 
Theming engine 'unico' not found

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:289:20: Not 
using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:323:20: Not 
using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:1828:20: 
Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:1845:21: 
Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:1861:20: 
Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:2146:20: 
Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:16:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:93:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:183:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:503:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:850:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:925:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:941:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:957:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1012:21: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1020:21: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1034:21: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1103:21: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: 
gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1237:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gnome-panel.css:94:21: Not 
using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:18:18: Not 
using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:18:20: Not 
using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:81:20: Not 
using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:86:20: Not 
using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

(emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:145:20: Not 
using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.


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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Tim Kelley]

If you just use the console emacs, you can install the emacs-nox version of
24. In anycase, they’re just warnings, and can be ignored. It’s just
stating something some other packager did was deprecated but still
functional .. you can start emacs with emacs /dev/null 21 if you like,
or not start it from the terminal and start from an icon or menu.
​

Tim Kelley


On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Juha Heinanen j...@tutpro.com wrote:

 after upgrading to jessie that came with emacs24, i get the warnings
 below to terminal window each time i start emacs in x11 environment.
 any hints on how to get rid of them?

 -- juha

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:57:17:
 Theming engine 'unico' not found

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets.css:289:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets.css:323:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets.css:1828:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets.css:1845:21: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets.css:1861:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets.css:2146:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:16:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:93:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:183:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:503:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:850:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:925:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:941:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:957:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1012:21: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1020:21: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1034:21: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1103:21: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:
 gtk-widgets-backdrop.css:1237:20: Not using units is deprecated. Assuming
 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gnome-panel.css:94:21:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:18:18:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:18:20:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:81:20:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:86:20:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 (emacs:12957): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: nautilus.css:145:20:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.


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Re: jessie: how to suppress emacs24 warnings

[Juha Heinanen]

Tim Kelley writes:

 If you just use the console emacs, you can install the emacs-nox version of
 24.

In this case, i used x11 emacs, but started it from console.

 In anycase, they’re just warnings, and can be ignored.

Yes, I know, but the warnings consume the whole page of the terminal
window and I cannot anymore see, what was there without scrolling back,
which is annoying.

 It’s just
 stating something some other packager did was deprecated but still
 functional .. you can start emacs with emacs /dev/null 21 if you like,
 or not start it from the terminal and start from an icon or menu.

Typing emacs /dev/null 21 is too cumbersome and starting from menu
looses the directory where I am.  For example, if the current dir has a
file that I want to edit, I just used to type

emacs file

but now I get all the garbage to the window which is not good.

Is there anything that can be done to get rid of those warnings?  Which
package the bug lies?  Is there any hope that the bugs are fixed before
the next Debian release?

-- Juha


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'aptitude install' reports problem with emacs24-nox: cl-macroexpand-all

[Emanuel Berg]

When I use aptitude to install something, it reports
errors on emacs and emacs24-nox. I says:

systemtap-mode.el:62:1:Error: Symbol's function
definition is void: cl-macroexpand-all

$ sudo aptitude install iamerican-insane
...
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  iamerican-insane ienglish-common{a} ispell{a}
The following partially installed packages will be configured:
  emacs emacs24-nox
0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 1,498 kB of archives. After unpacking 1,767 kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Y
Get: 1 http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main ispell amd64 3.3.02-6 [175 
kB]
Get: 2 http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main ienglish-common all 
3.3.02-6 [32.0 kB]
Get: 3 http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main iamerican-insane all 
3.3.02-6 [1,291 kB]
Fetched 1,498 kB in 0s (2,949 kB/s)
Preconfiguring packages ...
Selecting previously unselected package ispell.
(Reading database ... 128093 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../ispell_3.3.02-6_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking ispell (3.3.02-6) ...
Selecting previously unselected package ienglish-common.
Preparing to unpack .../ienglish-common_3.3.02-6_all.deb ...
Unpacking ienglish-common (3.3.02-6) ...
Selecting previously unselected package iamerican-insane.
Preparing to unpack .../iamerican-insane_3.3.02-6_all.deb ...
Unpacking iamerican-insane (3.3.02-6) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-3) ...
Setting up emacs24-nox (24.4+1-4) ...
Install emacsen-common for emacs24
emacsen-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor emacs24
Wrote /etc/emacs24/site-start.d/00debian-vars.elc
Wrote /usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/debian-startup.elc
Install systemtap-common for emacs24
install/systemtap-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor emacs24
Byte-compilation failed:
Loading 00debian-vars...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/20apel.el (source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50dictionaries-common.el (source)...
Info: Skip debian-el loading if run under dpkg control.
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50flim.el (source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50python-docutils.el (source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50systemtap-common.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/systemtap-common/systemtap-init.el 
(source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50w3m-el.el (source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50w3m-el-snapshot.el (source)...
Wrote /usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/systemtap-common/systemtap-init.elc

In toplevel form:
systemtap-mode.el:62:1:Error: Symbol's function definition is void: 
cl-macroexpand-all
ERROR: install script from systemtap-common package failed
dpkg: error processing package emacs24-nox (--configure):
 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of emacs:
 emacs depends on emacs24 | emacs24-lucid | emacs24-nox; however:
  Package emacs24 is not installed.
  Package emacs24-nox which provides emacs24 is not configured yet.
  Package emacs24-lucid is not installed.
  Package emacs24-nox is not configured yet.

dpkg: error processing package emacs (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up ispell (3.3.02-6) ...
Setting up ienglish-common (3.3.02-6) ...
Setting up iamerican-insane (3.3.02-6) ...
Processing triggers for dictionaries-common (1.23.16) ...
ispell-autobuildhash: Processing 'american-insane' dict.
Errors were encountered while processing:
 emacs24-nox
 emacs
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Failed to perform requested operation on package.  Trying to recover:
Setting up emacs24-nox (24.4+1-4) ...
Install emacsen-common for emacs24
emacsen-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor emacs24
Wrote /etc/emacs24/site-start.d/00debian-vars.elc
Wrote /usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/debian-startup.elc
Install apel for emacs24
install/apel: already byte-compiled for emacs24, skipped
Install dictionaries-common for emacs24
install/dictionaries-common: Already byte-compiled for emacs24. Skipping ...
Install w3m-el-snapshot for emacs24
install/w3m-el-snapshot: already byte-compiled for emacs24, skipped
Install systemtap-common for emacs24
install/systemtap-common: Handling install of emacsen flavor emacs24
Byte-compilation failed:
Loading 00debian-vars...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/20apel.el (source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50dictionaries-common.el (source)...
Info: Skip debian-el loading if run under dpkg control.
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50flim.el (source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50python-docutils.el (source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50systemtap-common.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/systemtap-common/systemtap-init.el 
(source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50w3m-el.el (source)...
Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50w3m-el-snapshot.el (source)...
Wrote /usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/systemtap-common/systemtap

Emacs24?

[Zachary Uram]

Anyone know when emacs24 will be in Debian squeeze? The latest they
have is emacs23 :(

Zach

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Re: Emacs24?

[Freeman]

On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:51:00PM -0500, Zachary Uram wrote:
 Anyone know when emacs24 will be in Debian squeeze? The latest they
 have is emacs23 :(
 

Emacs 23.1 is the current release and it is in squeeze. A slightly higher
version of 23.1 is in sid.

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html

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Re: Emacs24?

[Mark Allums]

On 3/7/2010 4:51 PM, Zachary Uram wrote:

Anyone know when emacs24 will be in Debian squeeze? The latest they
have is emacs23 :(



What is so desirable about v.24?


Mark Allums
(a confirmed vi man)


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Re: Emacs24?

[Stefan Monnier]

 Anyone know when emacs24 will be in Debian squeeze? The latest they
 have is emacs23 :(

Yes, it's a real shame.  We're also still waiting for Debian to put
Emacs-24 in unstable at least, so we can grab the source and release it.
But we've been waiting for so long that we're losing hope.  We may end
up having to write the code ourselves :-(


Stefan Emacs maintainer


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Re: Emacs24?

[Teemu Likonen]

* 2010-03-08 00:33 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote:

 Yes, it's a real shame. We're also still waiting for Debian to put
 Emacs-24 in unstable at least, so we can grab the source and release
 it. But we've been waiting for so long that we're losing hope. We may
 end up having to write the code ourselves :-(

 Stefan Emacs maintainer

:-)

I think you guys are doing it well! Thanks for all the work, and by the
way, my self-compiled Emacs 23.1.93 (pretest) works fine in my Debian
Lenny system.


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