Few Simple Question
Greetings Debian Community! I am currently a computer networking student researching different flavours of Unix/Linux. From the advice of my instructor, I have shosen to research Debian. He says it's, "Really Cool" I find it very appealing and hope to install it as soon as my system is set up. I have a few specific questions I'd like to ask. The information on your webpage and FAQ is simply so immense, a simple site search is a bit confusing. 1. What is the user base targeted? Is it simply geared towards the home-user looking for a free OS? Or is it geared more towards the power-user? 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific "home" to debian? 3. What is the latest Kernel version? 4. What is the default desktop? and what others are included? 5. What, if any, office suites are included? Thank You very much and I look forward to joining the wonderful world of open source OS! Francis Pineda Phoenix, AZ
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On Tuesday 19 February 2002 07:29, Francis Pineda wrote: Greetings Debian Community! I am currently a computer networking student researching different flavours of Unix/Linux. From the advice of my instructor, I have shosen to research Debian. He says it's, Really Cool I find it very appealing and hope to install it as soon as my system is set up. I have a few specific questions I'd like to ask. The information on your webpage and FAQ is simply so immense, a simple site search is a bit confusing. 1. What is the user base targeted? Is it simply geared towards the home-user looking for a free OS? Or is it geared more towards the power-user? Well there are a lot of different minds concerning this. In my opinion, it is perfectly useable as a home-OS, once configured. But it's true that the first time I installed a Debian I had some problem with getting network and this kind of stuff. However, if you want KDE and this kind of packages, you have to use them in testing, or even unstable, and this can be more a power-user thing - even if docs and other users are there. 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific home to debian? hmmm... http://www.debian.org ? :o) there you can have docs, a list of mirrors, access to ML... 3. What is the latest Kernel version? The latest kernel version in general is 2.4. The kernel used in last stable release (aka potato r5) is 2.2.19. The kernels provided in testing/instable are 2.2.20 and 2.4.16. But it's really easy to recompile one if you don't want those ;o) 4. What is the default desktop? and what others are included? There is no 'default desktop'. In stable you can use Gnome, and classic WM like fvwm, enlightenment, blackbox, windowmaker. If you run testing or unstable, you can also have KDE. 5. What, if any, office suites are included? I'm not sure there is an office suite included. Well there is KOffice in testing/unstable... doesn't work that well however in my opinion. I use LaTeX for text processing, gnumeric for excel-like stuff and prosper for presentations ;-) Thank You very much and I look forward to joining the wonderful world of open source OS! Hope I have partially answered your questions ;o) Francis Pineda Phoenix, AZ Isabelle HURBAIN
Re: Few Simple Question
On Tue, 2002-02-19 at 00:29, Francis Pineda wrote: Greetings Debian Community! Greetings! 1. What is the user base targeted? Is it simply geared towards the home-user looking for a free OS? Or is it geared more towards the power-user? Supposedly it's the home user, but considering the difficulty as compared to something like Windows (or an easy Linux distrib like Red Hat or Mandrake) I'd have to say that Debian is for the computer literate and above home users. 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific home to debian? If you mean the main site it's where you probably signed up for this list at. www.debian.org 3. What is the latest Kernel version? 2.4.17 I do believe. But that's a Linux issue, not a Debian issue per se. Check out www.kernel.org 4. What is the default desktop? and what others are included? Default desktop is Gnome. You can also install KDE. And a LOT of different window managers. 5. What, if any, office suites are included? I don't think any real office suite is included by default with Gnome. KDE comes with KOffice. You can always get StarOffice from Sun though, which is free and works fine on any Java platform. -Alex signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Few Simple Question
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:29:44 -0700 Francis Pineda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. What is the user base targeted? Is it simply geared towards the home-user looking for a free OS? Or is it geared more towards the power-user? From professionals to professionals, I don't think Debian is home-user-ready, but there're lots of people interested in working and helping on that direction (like me, for one)... today I'd say Debian is for the power-user 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific home to debian? distributers? I think the other repliers misunderstood this, or maybe I... or better... maybe you =) there aren't 800+ distributers, there are 800+ registered Debian Developers, which are persons offically working on Debian in a volunteer basis yes, there's home for Debian it's called earth by americans, some people say world to reference that home too... people around the globe have other names for that home as well... I usually call it 'mundo', or 'terra' =) Thank You very much and I look forward to joining the wonderful world of open source OS! be welcome []s! -- Gustavo Noronha Silva - kov http://www.metainfo.org/kov *-* -+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+-+ | .''`. | Debian GNU/Linux: http://www.debian.org | | : :' : + Debian BR...: http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br+ | `. `'` + Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? + | `-| A: Upstream's decision. -- hmh | *-* -+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+-+
Re: Few Simple Question
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:29:44 -0700, Francis Pineda wrote: Greetings Debian Community! I am currently a computer networking student researching different flavours of Unix/Linux. From the advice of my instructor, I have shosen to research Debian. He says it's, Really Cool I find it very appealing and hope to install it as soon as my system is set up. I have a few specific questions I'd like to ask. The information on your webpage and FAQ is simply so immense, a simple site search is a bit confusing. 1. What is the user base targeted? Is it simply geared towards the home-user looking for a free OS? Or is it geared more towards the power-user? I would say the serious user. Linux, generally, and Debian, in particular, are not plug in and run appliances. 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific home to debian? You've heard of distributed computing? Debian is distributed development. 3. What is the latest Kernel version? 2.2.x through bleeding edge roll your own 2.5 (not for the faint hearted or a 'working' box) 4. What is the default desktop? and what others are included? There are 2 desktop environments (run either or neither) and umpteen window managers in X11R6 5. What, if any, office suites are included? There are suites, but why bother. In Linux you can pick and choose among any number of applications for a particular job. On the other hand you don't load up on bloatware containing 'features' you'll never use, or are not quite the best choice. Make your own suite to match your needs and preferences. If you need to add something else later or want to change out an app--just do it (tm). Oh, and by the way, you really should get a mail client other than outlook express. It's like carrying a bullseye for crackers. That and set word-wrap to 72 chars :) (that's for Karsten ;-}) gt Yes I fear I am living beyond my mental means--Nash
Re: Few Simple Question
Greetings Debian Community! I am currently a computer networking student researching different flavours of Unix/Linux. From the advice of my instructor, I have shosen to research Debian. He says it's, "Really Cool" I find it very appealing and hope to install it as soon as my system is set up. I have a few specific questions I'd like to ask. The information on your webpage and FAQ is simply so immense, a simple site search is a bit confusing. 1. What is the user base targeted? Is it simply geared towards the home-user looking for a free OS? Or is it geared more towards the power-user? 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific "home" to debian? 3. What is the latest Kernel version? 4. What is the default desktop? and what others are included? 5. What, if any, office suites are included? Thank You very much and I look forward to joining the wonderful world of open source OS! Francis Pineda Phoenix, AZ
Re: Few Simple Question
On Monday 18 February 2002 10:29 pm, Francis Pineda wrote: Greetings Debian Community! I am currently a computer networking student researching different flavours of Unix/Linux. From the advice of my instructor, I have shosen to research Debian. He says it's, Really Cool I find it very appealing and hope to install it as soon as my system is set up. I have a few specific questions I'd like to ask. The information on your webpage and FAQ is simply so immense, a simple site search is a bit confusing. 1. What is the user base targeted? Is it simply geared towards the home-user looking for a free OS? Or is it geared more towards the power-user? 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific home to debian? please. you can't possible have made it here without prior awareness of debian.org. 3. What is the latest Kernel version? 4. What is the default desktop? and what others are included? 5. What, if any, office suites are included? - paste from a post that originally appeared on debian-kde - 1) Who you are, what you do in real life, how you got involved in Debian, and involved in KDE, what (if anything) you packaged in Debian before this, what (if anything) you did in KDE before this, why how you came to the decision to take on maintainership of the KDE packages. 2) What do you see as the time frame for upcomming Debian/KDE milestones? Such as: A) What is the plan/roadmap/future for KDE related things in Debian? the metapackage (or, what is it called now? Task?) of kde vs of kdebase. B) What's up w/ KOffice for Debian? Re: Woody or Sid? C) What's your recommendation regarding: would you advise people who want to be making productive use of KDE now to run Woody or Sid? D) What's up w/ KDE 3? - When, and for whom, should persons trying to make actual daily use of KDE begin to use KDE3? Can KDE2 KDE3 be put onto the same system, and switched between? Is it necessary to do a complete separate Debian install, (one for KDE2 one for KDE3) on the harddisk if one wants to be able to try switch between 2 3? I ask these questions since I'd like to make some judgements about what to put in the KDE HowTo I'm developing. For instance, I'd like to have good data to base a decision on regarding: should I suggest, (and write it from the perspective of) persons run Woody, and if necessary pull packages from Sid? Or, is will Sid be basically enough free of substantial problems that it would be better for most people trying to do productive work with KDE that they run Sid, in order to have the latest features? (For instance, two areas I'm currently possibly affected by are: 1) Kghostview - does the Sid version fix a major problem? 2) kde vs kdebase - does Sid have a kde package that provides many more features ( thus involves much less sw installation time/effort) than Woody?) It would be much appreciated if you would each free up some of your valueable time to each answer the above questions for all here who are interested in the future of KDE on Debian! -- end of paste -- hmmm. sounds like deja vu all over again. yo, francis, you don't mind if i cc this to chris cheney and daniel stone, do you? in fact, i think i will, anyway. btw, what part of phoenix do you live in? at which college, where instructors refer to debian as being really cool, are you a student? or, more to the point, which part of the salary paying machine do you work for? your questionnaires totally reek of factory training and, most especially, of insincerity. a genuine correspondent would hang a while and read the list, and would, above all, not pretend to be unaware of debian.org. the reason for my suspicion of you is that, in the past, you've displayed an inability to accord due respect for those who make debian possible, to those who actually give up real time in their own lives to support a principle and an ethic that you have apparently sold to the highest bidder. your contempt betrays your origin. the irony is that you will be, nonetheless, welcomed here, and aided in understanding that there is nothing that your masters can do about free software. not only will it continue to happen but those who finance your activities have already conceded its victory by clamoring to acquire patents on damn near everything that they can steal from here. i don't expect you to be able to convince your masters of the hopelessness of their desire for hegemony, but you, at least, given the history of your
Re: Few Simple Question
Em Ter, 2002-02-19 às 04:11, Gustavo Noronha Silva escreveu: On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:29:44 -0700 Francis Pineda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. What is the user base targeted? Is it simply geared towards the home-user looking for a free OS? Or is it geared more towards the power-user? From professionals to professionals, I don't think Debian is home-user-ready, but there're lots of people interested in working and helping on that direction (like me, for one)... today I'd say Debian is for the power-user 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific home to debian? distributers? I think the other repliers misunderstood this, or maybe I... or better... maybe you =) there aren't 800+ distributers, there are 800+ registered Debian Developers, which are persons offically working on Debian in a volunteer basis yes, there's home for Debian it's called earth by americans, some people say world to reference that home too... people around the globe have other names for that home as well... I usually call it 'mundo', or 'terra' =) And I don't know which nation he was talking about, the 800+ devellopers a scattered around debian's home: the world. (and that's only limited by the fact that no alien candidated yet :) ) Michel. Thank You very much and I look forward to joining the wonderful world of open source OS! be welcome []s! -- Gustavo Noronha Silva - kov http://www.metainfo.org/kov *-* -+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+-+ | .''`. | Debian GNU/Linux: http://www.debian.org | | : :' : + Debian BR...: http://debian-br.cipsga.org.br+ | `. `'` + Q: Why did the chicken cross the road? + | `-| A: Upstream's decision. -- hmh | *-* -+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+--+-+-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Few Simple Question
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Francis Pineda wrote: (It's recommended you turn your line wraps on to 72 columns for the comfort of the people reading your messages) I am currently a computer networking student researching different flavours of Unix/Linux. From the advice of my instructor, I have shosen to research Debian. He says it's, Really Cool I find it very appealing and hope to install it as soon as my system is set up. You probably want to get a real ISP instead of using AOL-BBS to connect, since there isn't a version of AOL's software for unix at this point. 1. What is the user base targeted? Is it simply geared towards the home-user looking for a free OS? Or is it geared more towards the power-user? http://web.archive.org/web/20020219041410/http://ursine.dyndns.org/icons/debian/banner_a.gif This Debian banner used to run on my webpage, archive.org saved a copy. Debian tries to target everyone. 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific home to debian? I could be wrong, but Debian either doesn't have a physical location or is based out of the Free Software Foundation in Mass. 3. What is the latest Kernel version? There are about 10 kernels considered latest, as of this point in time. Go to http://kernel.org/ to see the latest version numbers. 4. What is the default desktop? and what others are included? None last I checked, but the last time I had to install from scratch was close to 5 years ago. 5. What, if any, office suites are included? None, if I rememember correctly, at this time. An old version of staroffice was once included. Staroffice, Openoffice and a number of other free office apps are easy to drop into place, though. Thank You very much and I look forward to joining the wonderful world of open source OS! Woohoo! -- Baloo
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On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:26:29AM -0800, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, Francis Pineda wrote: 2. Where is Debian located? I understand there are over 800 distrubuters nationwide that communicate via e-mail and message boards. But is there a specific home to debian? I could be wrong, but Debian either doesn't have a physical location or is based out of the Free Software Foundation in Mass. Debian hasn't been an FSF project in several years. If it has physical locations at all, it might be where the major servers are located (master's in Texas, ftp-master's in Virginia, non-us is in the Netherlands, etc.), but even those are fairly distributed. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
