Re: GCC 7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 08:35:29AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Took out mk-sbuild for a whirl. What I didn't like at all: when you > > invoke a command and it goes out and starts installing packages for > > you (and doing other assorted sysadmin tasks). > > You can do everything that mk-sbuild does for you manually, but when > you're setting up many different sbuild chroots, it makes things much > easier. [And it makes my response much simpler.] Yes, I understand *why* it is doing it. It just doesn't rhyme very well with the way I do things. Pulling in dependencies at install is something I expect (and can easily check in advance, thanks to the well thought-out Debian packaging system). Calling "apt-get install" (to my *main* system, not to the chroot!) from a seemingly unrelated command is something I... dislike (there were other things I disliked, too). So this was just a heads-up for others like me. I had a look into the mk-sbuild script and decided to purge ubuntu-dev-tools. Cheers - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsjVrkACgkQBcgs9XrR2kb7JgCfdcywY9A1ZaK4rwP3gw11OBc0 qcYAniTwFq3KnAFdSRIijkZNSY+Dpk82 =bq/r -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GCC 7
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Took out mk-sbuild for a whirl. What I didn't like at all: when you > invoke a command and it goes out and starts installing packages for > you (and doing other assorted sysadmin tasks). You can do everything that mk-sbuild does for you manually, but when you're setting up many different sbuild chroots, it makes things much easier. [And it makes my response much simpler.] The things that mk-sbuild installs are just sbuild, schroot, and debootstrap, and possibly lvm2 if you're using lvm chroots; I actually didn't notice that it even did that because I have all of them installed. [And really, mk-sbuild *is* a sysadmin tool designed to automate sysadmin tasks.] -- Don Armstrong https://www.donarmstrong.com "I always tend to assume there's an infinite amount of money out there." "There might as well be, [...] but most of it gets spent on pornography, sugar water, and bombs. There is only so much that can be scraped together for particle accelerators." -- Neal Stephenson _Anathem_ p262
Re: GCC 7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 01:06:27PM +0200, Irek Szcześniak wrote: > I tried schroot in a different way, as described here: > > https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot > > As part of the process, you install a complete, fresh Buster with: > > debootstrap buster /srv/chroot/buster > > So this solution is like a container. Yep, that rhymes better with how I tick :-) Thanks, cheers - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsiVskACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbRSwCfe3TRYv5PyHweQ/vDeAVjkWrW UNUAnAukE4rx6kGJNnl/dI7/klbl9Pyk =h0MJ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GCC 7
I tried schroot in a different way, as described here: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot As part of the process, you install a complete, fresh Buster with: debootstrap buster /srv/chroot/buster So this solution is like a container. Best, Irek On 14.06.2018 12:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 08:37:57AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Irek Szcześniak wrote: Thanks for pointing out pbuilder, I think I'll give it a try. I also might want to try virtual containers, but it seems like an overkill. You might also try out schroot. Something like: apt-get install schroot ubuntu-dev-tools; mk-sbuild unstable; schroot unstable; will get you in an unstable chroot which you can use to build packages. [schroot+sbuild is what Debian developers often use instead of pbuilder, but either approach works.] Took out mk-sbuild for a whirl. What I didn't like at all: when you invoke a command and it goes out and starts installing packages for you (and doing other assorted sysadmin tasks). Pretty heavy-handed, if you ask me. YMMV. Cheers - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsiR8sACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYirgCfVtkknb0sQHxAMf26LFWq20PA 2GsAnRB7zxFJQtbUvm/zure+47es9fhx =jWOu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GCC 7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 08:37:57AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Irek Szcześniak wrote: > > Thanks for pointing out pbuilder, I think I'll give it a try. I also might > > want to try virtual containers, but it seems like an overkill. > > You might also try out schroot. > > Something like: > > apt-get install schroot ubuntu-dev-tools; > mk-sbuild unstable; > schroot unstable; > > will get you in an unstable chroot which you can use to build packages. > [schroot+sbuild is what Debian developers often use instead of pbuilder, > but either approach works.] Took out mk-sbuild for a whirl. What I didn't like at all: when you invoke a command and it goes out and starts installing packages for you (and doing other assorted sysadmin tasks). Pretty heavy-handed, if you ask me. YMMV. Cheers - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsiR8sACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYirgCfVtkknb0sQHxAMf26LFWq20PA 2GsAnRB7zxFJQtbUvm/zure+47es9fhx =jWOu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GCC 7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:44:59AM +0200, Irek Szcześniak wrote: > Tomás, thank you again for your email. > > I didn't finally try pbuilder, because compiling GCC solved my > problem. If something goes wrong, I'll use schroot. Thanks for > pointing out pbuilder, it may come handy one day! Glad you solved it :-) Collaterally, I learnt about schroot, so thanks for this one as well. Cheers - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsiMsgACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYQhwCfX8Ff3aD+aQpFfMPv0BFyi3cN 9yYAni+0aT9atlDxQ2R/5cTZxuJ3WpK2 =tdPR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GCC 7
Tomás, thank you again for your email. I didn't finally try pbuilder, because compiling GCC solved my problem. If something goes wrong, I'll use schroot. Thanks for pointing out pbuilder, it may come handy one day! Best, Irek On 13.06.2018 12:20, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 12:06:21PM +0200, Irek Szcześniak wrote: Thanks, Tomás, for your email. I should have written before that I don't want the GCC 7 to be a system-wide compiler, along with libraries and some other dependencies. I need GCC 7 to compile my own code (C++17) that I run. I don't need to distribute the binaries. I see. Then pbuilder might well be an option (you might end up having to run your application in the chroot, but hey). Yes, GCC 7 is not in the backports, so it's not an option. There might be some Debian packages with GCC 7, but I worry about making a FrankenDebian, and the ensuing dependency and linking problems. Yeah -- I already mixed a newer version of GCC back then by enabling testing into a stable and survived it (actually for a year's period, on my main work machine) but ended up with nearly 100% testing after a while. FrankenDebian isn't as bad as its reputation, but you want to watch your step. Aptitude tends to become unusable after a while (its dependency resolver seems to intelligent to master that much chaos), but apt-get/apt can cope. So if you know what you're doing and you are a bit fearless, FrankenDebian isn't *that* bad. Not recommended for beginners and those who just want peace with their computers, for sure. Thanks for pointing out pbuilder, I think I'll give it a try. I also might want to try virtual containers, but it seems like an overkill. I might later drop an email to the debian-gcc mailing list. Yes, perhaps someone gets nudged into backporting (actually you might try yourself: just download the gcc-7 source package, its build dependencies (apt-get build-dep) and build away, but gcc is of course daunting, so you most probably end up shaving a king-size yak :-) Cheers - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsg7/0ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZCGgCfajN8v/e4CdGJDWGLuLYGqmxy Kk0Anim4iK08WHgGK5wn8thy2mpgMH2F =0/m3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GCC 7
Thank you, Don, for your advice! I tried schroot, and it's awesome! I followed the steps on: https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot I was able to build my code just as on Buster. The difference between schroot and chroot is that with schroot you have assess to the files outside the root directory of chroot (like /srv/chroot/buster), and I'm thinking specifically about the home directory. Thanks! Best, Irek On 13.06.2018 17:37, Don Armstrong wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Irek Szcześniak wrote: Thanks for pointing out pbuilder, I think I'll give it a try. I also might want to try virtual containers, but it seems like an overkill. You might also try out schroot. Something like: apt-get install schroot ubuntu-dev-tools; mk-sbuild unstable; schroot unstable; will get you in an unstable chroot which you can use to build packages. [schroot+sbuild is what Debian developers often use instead of pbuilder, but either approach works.]
Re: GCC 7
Georgi, thank you for you email. I gave it a try. On Stretch, GCC 8.1 compiled and installed cleanly. I put the path to the gcc binary (/usr/local/gcc-8.1.0/bin) in my PATH, and I compiled and ran my code without any other configuration. I expected some linking problems, but the binary dynamically links to the system libraries, and things are OK. Cool! Thanks again! Best, Irek On 13.06.2018 23:43, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: On 06/13/2018 11:04 AM, Irek Szcześniak wrote: Hi, I need GCC 7 on my Debian Stretch. Previously I upgraded my Stretch to Testing (Buster), but I ran to some problems, and reinstalled the system back to Stretch. Could someone offer an advice on how to get a working GCC 7 on Debian Stretch, without upgrading to Testing? Another option could be to build GCC-7 yourself from source. Don't forget to use appropriate prefix when you run "configure". Kind regards Georgi
Re: GCC 7
On 06/13/2018 11:04 AM, Irek Szcześniak wrote: > Hi, > > I need GCC 7 on my Debian Stretch. Previously I upgraded my Stretch to > Testing (Buster), but I ran to some problems, and reinstalled the system > back to Stretch. > > Could someone offer an advice on how to get a working GCC 7 on Debian > Stretch, without upgrading to Testing? Another option could be to build GCC-7 yourself from source. Don't forget to use appropriate prefix when you run "configure". Kind regards Georgi
Re: GCC 7
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018, Irek Szcześniak wrote: > Thanks for pointing out pbuilder, I think I'll give it a try. I also might > want to try virtual containers, but it seems like an overkill. You might also try out schroot. Something like: apt-get install schroot ubuntu-dev-tools; mk-sbuild unstable; schroot unstable; will get you in an unstable chroot which you can use to build packages. [schroot+sbuild is what Debian developers often use instead of pbuilder, but either approach works.] -- Don Armstrong https://www.donarmstrong.com The smallest quantity of bread that can be sliced and toasted has yet to be experimentally determined. In the quantum limit we must necessarily encounter fundamental toast particles which the author will unflinchingly designate here as "croutons". -- Cser, Jim. Nanotechnology and the Physical Limits of Toastability. AIR 1:3, June, 1995.
Re: GCC 7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 12:06:21PM +0200, Irek Szcześniak wrote: > Thanks, Tomás, for your email. > > I should have written before that I don't want the GCC 7 to be a > system-wide compiler, along with libraries and some other > dependencies. I need GCC 7 to compile my own code (C++17) that I > run. I don't need to distribute the binaries. I see. Then pbuilder might well be an option (you might end up having to run your application in the chroot, but hey). > Yes, GCC 7 is not in the backports, so it's not an option. There > might be some Debian packages with GCC 7, but I worry about making a > FrankenDebian, and the ensuing dependency and linking problems. Yeah -- I already mixed a newer version of GCC back then by enabling testing into a stable and survived it (actually for a year's period, on my main work machine) but ended up with nearly 100% testing after a while. FrankenDebian isn't as bad as its reputation, but you want to watch your step. Aptitude tends to become unusable after a while (its dependency resolver seems to intelligent to master that much chaos), but apt-get/apt can cope. So if you know what you're doing and you are a bit fearless, FrankenDebian isn't *that* bad. Not recommended for beginners and those who just want peace with their computers, for sure. > Thanks for pointing out pbuilder, I think I'll give it a try. I > also might want to try virtual containers, but it seems like an > overkill. > > I might later drop an email to the debian-gcc mailing list. Yes, perhaps someone gets nudged into backporting (actually you might try yourself: just download the gcc-7 source package, its build dependencies (apt-get build-dep) and build away, but gcc is of course daunting, so you most probably end up shaving a king-size yak :-) Cheers - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsg7/0ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZCGgCfajN8v/e4CdGJDWGLuLYGqmxy Kk0Anim4iK08WHgGK5wn8thy2mpgMH2F =0/m3 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GCC 7
Thanks, Tomás, for your email. I should have written before that I don't want the GCC 7 to be a system-wide compiler, along with libraries and some other dependencies. I need GCC 7 to compile my own code (C++17) that I run. I don't need to distribute the binaries. Yes, GCC 7 is not in the backports, so it's not an option. There might be some Debian packages with GCC 7, but I worry about making a FrankenDebian, and the ensuing dependency and linking problems. Thanks for pointing out pbuilder, I think I'll give it a try. I also might want to try virtual containers, but it seems like an overkill. I might later drop an email to the debian-gcc mailing list. Best, Irek On 13.06.2018 11:21, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 10:04:25AM +0200, Irek Szcześniak wrote: Hi, I need GCC 7 on my Debian Stretch. Previously I upgraded my Stretch to Testing (Buster), but I ran to some problems, and reinstalled the system back to Stretch. Could someone offer an advice on how to get a working GCC 7 on Debian Stretch, without upgrading to Testing? Backports would be a place to go. There seem to be others in your situation: https://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2018/04/msg00137.html (but I haven't seen an answer to this request in that mailing list). Perhaps pinging debian-gcc list is a good idea. Alternatively, if you just want to build for testing, some pbuilder (chroot) setup might help, but then your program might want to link to newer core libraries... Cheers - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsg4hoACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZFiwCeLK2EU23uSBz2rpyW+rHLPfjz Z8gAn1W7qif93Zdn1f49C4TW3Yex4NsZ =qVRK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: GCC 7
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 10:04:25AM +0200, Irek Szcześniak wrote: > Hi, > > I need GCC 7 on my Debian Stretch. Previously I upgraded my Stretch > to Testing (Buster), but I ran to some problems, and reinstalled the > system back to Stretch. > > Could someone offer an advice on how to get a working GCC 7 on > Debian Stretch, without upgrading to Testing? Backports would be a place to go. There seem to be others in your situation: https://lists.debian.org/debian-gcc/2018/04/msg00137.html (but I haven't seen an answer to this request in that mailing list). Perhaps pinging debian-gcc list is a good idea. Alternatively, if you just want to build for testing, some pbuilder (chroot) setup might help, but then your program might want to link to newer core libraries... Cheers - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlsg4hoACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZFiwCeLK2EU23uSBz2rpyW+rHLPfjz Z8gAn1W7qif93Zdn1f49C4TW3Yex4NsZ =qVRK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
GCC 7
Hi, I need GCC 7 on my Debian Stretch. Previously I upgraded my Stretch to Testing (Buster), but I ran to some problems, and reinstalled the system back to Stretch. Could someone offer an advice on how to get a working GCC 7 on Debian Stretch, without upgrading to Testing? Thanks & best, Irek
