Re: user reboot/shutdown (was Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown...)
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:22:21PM +0100, S. Hakim Hamdani wrote: That would be appreciated, also from my side. I found it a bit strange yesterday, when I reinstalled debian on a laptop, that I couldn?t login as root graphically, and also that as a normal user I can?t shutdown or reboot graphically or in text. Only via su. This reminds me of a situation I faced over the summer. I was demonstrating something to a work-colleague and I was using X. So, I instructed my window manager to exit, which returned me to wdm's login screen. I then entered my username and password and changed the drop-down box to 'reboot' (I think). My colleague remarked on how I had to log out and then 'login' (or at least re-authenticate) to reboot the computer. He is from a different school of OS thought ;-) This has been nagging at me since. I thought the solution might be a package to manage permissions for users performing these operations, which could be driven from the menu-system. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? /etc/gdm/gdm.conf (although I do not know whether you run gdm) offers a setting like this: # The system menu requires the root password for all options SecureSystemMenu=true I changed it to SecureSystemMenu=false and after this, (and after the login screen again wanted the root passwd for a while in spite of this change, as it seems) I was able to reboot the machine without providing any passwd. The login screen still wants the root password if I want to make changes to the login settings etc. So it seems, setting the option above to 'false' only lets me reboot (shutdown?, suspend?) the system. Which is exatly what I want. HTH Best Regards, Wolfgang -- Profile, Links: http://profiles.yahoo.com/wolfgangpfeiffer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown...
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:22:21PM +0100, S. Hakim Hamdani wrote: Also, how can one get out of the whole x system under Debian? To get back into text mode? I also haven?t found a method of booting into text. The display manager 'wdm' can be configured to allow users to shutdown, reboot and exit the graphical environment. If you want to get to text mode you can do so without closing down your display manager by pressing CTRL+MOD1+F* where F is 1-6 by default. CTRL+MOD1+F7 to return to the graphical display. -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
user reboot/shutdown (was Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown...)
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:22:21PM +0100, S. Hakim Hamdani wrote: That would be appreciated, also from my side. I found it a bit strange yesterday, when I reinstalled debian on a laptop, that I couldn?t login as root graphically, and also that as a normal user I can?t shutdown or reboot graphically or in text. Only via su. This reminds me of a situation I faced over the summer. I was demonstrating something to a work-colleague and I was using X. So, I instructed my window manager to exit, which returned me to wdm's login screen. I then entered my username and password and changed the drop-down box to 'reboot' (I think). My colleague remarked on how I had to log out and then 'login' (or at least re-authenticate) to reboot the computer. He is from a different school of OS thought ;-) This has been nagging at me since. I thought the solution might be a package to manage permissions for users performing these operations, which could be driven from the menu-system. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 10:14:54PM +0100, David Jardine wrote: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:09:53AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! You know, it must be so obvious to you experienced people, but there are some of us out here that take ages to discover that in mutt, for example, we should press 'L' instead of 'r' to send a list reply. Perhaps a debian-sandbox mailing list would be useful :) -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 16:24 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 21:50 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned: The point being an example of Mainframe Mentality that seems to be growing in the Linux community (as someone mentioned a few days ago). Everyone should consider the future. What is the future of Linux? It should be to take over the Windows boxes it cant happen if everyone follows RH. ... It's just that it's so amazingly silly that people have trouble beliving that it is what you 'really want'. or Debian tends to be geared more toward multi-user computers an example of MM. People have told me that their computer works just like I think mine should and they dont understand what the problem is. I think you should consider what is the purpose of the faces program which I noticed in my gnome start menu. Just because you dont use GUI dosent mean that others shouldnt and Linux isnt going to ever be as popular as Windows unless it becomes as user friendly as windows. In my opinion and you have the freedom to feel differently. You assume that the future of linux should be to take over the Windows boxes. Why? Some people would like to see that, but that isn't the only possible point. Linus himself would vehemently disagree. His purpose for linux is to build the best damn operating system he can, according to his definitions. If it happens to take out the windows market, fine, but if it doesn't, *shrug*. If linux (which covers a lot of territory) becomes as user-friendly as windows, it will become quite crackable. That's not something that I want. Please consider that the reason that Debian is set up with certain defaults is that -- brace yourself -- overwhelmingly, the debian users like it that way. Debian users tend to prefer security to ease of use. Debian users tend to prefer command-line solutions to GUIs. Debian users tend to want to understand their system, not just use it. There are many distros out there, and while I adore Debian, I only recommend it to the subset of my friends who will probably appreciate it. There are many people who are happier with other distros. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! You are entitled and encourged to use linux however you wish. I would not like for linux to become exclusive for the Cray's of the world nor should it become exclusive to the home user box there is room for both. Just look at what 'setti' was able to do with the 1000's of home user's boxes that allowed their home computers to be used by setti when they wernt using them. It was the equivelent of a several(maybe 100's) of large mainframes. I believe it is still going on today as well as several medical groups and even environmental groups. I think this is a worthy use and perhaps this is where linux should go. I expect Linus would be pleased with this use of the best damn operating system in this world. Your comment about 'crackable' doesnt have to be true. The average windows user doesnt know or care about what the coputer is doing or how it is doing it. The crackers have been too lazy to figure out how to crack a linux system easily. Remember this is just a computer program [1-0] and any system devised by man can be beaten by another man(or woman) if they are so inclined. It would take a lot of intelligence and work to do it but dont think it cant be done. Linux is so versital that it provides an option for everyone from the largest cray to the smallest user box and they can all do cosmology math. However you want to use this feel free but dont stop anyone who wants to do it another way. Let Freedom rule. Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
I would like to thank one and all for your assistance in this thread. Thanks especially to Kent West for the reference to The Gnome Display Manager Reference Manual. It works like I think it should now and although a lot of users dont do things this way its my way. Regards to all; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 04:22:55PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey said Select terminal Issue comand: sudo shutdown -r now Password: root password Yes, you need to use your user password. su will let you switch to root with root's password. Failed Password: My password Failed with message that I would be reported to me. Did you add the line to /etc/sudoers that I sent in an earlier mail? It won't work until you do. Here it is again if you missed it: rob ALL=(ALL) ALL Change rob to your username, of course... Punched logout button on gnome start menu and went to GUI login cntrl-alt-F1 Text mode login This sounds right. ? is it time to reinstall ? What for? Remember that all user settings are stored in ~/, which will not be touched by a reinstall anyway. If you think your gnome settings are toast, just move them out of the way (mkdir ~/junk ; mv ~/.gnome* ~/junk). -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: mindwar diwn New World Order NSA Echelon MILSATCOM BRLO signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:21 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I must admit I dont know I thought I fixed it but must not have done so. I printed your note this time and I'll get it done. Thanks; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Ken Gilmour [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:28 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Well i think the best solution to get around this is to setup a normal user account... then edit the /etc/passwd file and set that person with root permissions so as soon as they login theyre automatically made root. Best Regards, Ken Gilmour You may be beautiful but they're keeping my idea on file. Registered Linux User # 330371 http://counter.li.org Replying to the message sent by Roberto Sanchez on Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:41:02 -0500, received at 16:27:29 on 04/11/2003. snip Will not work my password isnt in /etc/password its encripted somewhere else.(shadow password) Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:58 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Ken Gilmour wrote: Well i think the best solution to get around this is to setup a normal user account... then edit the /etc/passwd file and set that person with root permissions so as soon as they login theyre automatically made root. Umm, no. That means you're still capable of doing nasty things to your system. It's much better to use su or sudo to do root-type things, or if we're still talking about rebooting/shutdowns from the GUI login manager (gdm, kdm, etc), to configure that login manager to allow non-root access to these functions. -- Kent Ok. Could you give me a file name, command, or doc to explain the rebooting/shutdown in gdm. Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:09 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 at 13:52 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned: On a network I can understand why a normal used cannot shutdown the system, but a single user should be able to shutdown, reboot, etc, without becoming root. This shouldnt be a big problem. In fact, I think it's critical for a machine to which a user has physical access. If the user wants to reboot the machine, no matter how ill-advisedly, I'd rather they use the software version than the power button. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! shutdown even with ext3 its still safer to do it right. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the one to pick up what pieces are left. I am sure you have heard of welcha and blaster, been there done that, they dont ask permission. Maybe you dont understand what I, and others, want. Idealy if the gui login screen added 3 items it would solve a lot of problems and would not incur any security risks. 1. Reboot (If I want to go to Windows) 2. Shutdown (If I want to go to bed) 3. Text mode.(If I want to do something as root) I have been reading this thread and I find all this very strange. I installed Debian base (network install) and then went to Sarge . Installed X, KDM and KDE and I have all that I used to have in other distros - I can do all that you mention and more ! There may be ways not to have it like that but I have and didn't have to configure anything! My login GUI even present you with clickcable icons (pictures) for you to select whatever user / root you want with a single click ( no need to write the actual name ). And for the really lasy and don't-care-about-login-stuff guys you can configure the GUI to do an auto-login! I don't know what else you may require - it will hardly wash your car ... Incidently Cntl-alt-del doesnt work from gnome. I expected it would. Neither does from KDE but you can use cntl-alt-backspace and go to login screen and then choose whatever is that you wish . And pressing cntrl-alt-F1 goes to you first tty , cntrl-alt-F2 to the second, until cntrl-alt-F7 that gets you back on X ( where you were in the first place ). If your machine doesn't work like this, then you shurelly have have something strange going on ... Good luck ! John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown...
- Original Message - From: csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 14:28 Subject: Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown... On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:56:47 -0600, Kent West wrote: [...] If you have an X session going, and you switch to a VTx, you can then log in as a different user and start a second X session with a command like startx -- :1. Go to a third VT and start a third session with a command like startx -- :2). You can then switch between these X sessions with Ctrl-Alt-F[7|8|9]. NOTE: Test first when you don't have anything important running; some video setups can't handle this and might freeze the box. If you have gdm installed and running you can run gdmflexiserver. (Recommended only for home users.) You kind people are giving me workarounds how about where where the gui login screen lives. i.e. what program is it? Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 19:11 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 00:19 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned: - Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the one to pick up what pieces are left. I am sure you have heard of welcha and blaster, been there done that, they dont ask permission. Maybe you dont understand what I, and others, want. Idealy if the gui login screen added 3 items it would solve a lot of problems and would not incur any security risks. 1. Reboot (If I want to go to Windows) 2. Shutdown (If I want to go to bed) 3. Text mode.(If I want to do something as root) Incidently Cntl-alt-del doesnt work from gnome. I expected it would. Regards; Hoyt I think you *can* set things up such that root can log in from the gui. It's just not set up that way in the *default* debian configuration. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! So true. A point made by others as well. However knowing that while a good thing doesnt help me. What program supplies gui login? Or maybe what config file sets up the login screen? I dont like the idea that debian builds that jail and I cant get out. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 20:33 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:08:11AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: Ok for us stupid newbies. Why is it dangerous and stupid. RH and Caldera support an item in their login screen called I believe Consol which dumps you back to prior to startx and I recall root was included on the login screen. KDM does that, as well. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qGGVUzgNqloQMwcRAmKLAKDHVAAUgrFHnF1eECX3IV0qi43sogCfW1Br iEu/EXhvVYYEYQeXB62hAbo= =yB0D -END PGP SIGNATURE- That still dosent make it right. How about a warning: ## # WARNING# # THIS COULD BE DANGEROUS TO # # YOUR HEALTH, WEALTH, AND # # YOUR CHILDREN AND VIOLATES # # THE NATIONAL SECURITY. # # Think that will help. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:51:35PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey said - Original Message - From: Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 01:28 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Guess I will have to. You can almost certainly reconfigure GDM to allow you to do this, but it's still a REALLY silly idea. Using sudo is a good habit to get into, and it WILL save your arse at some point. From my /etc/sudoers: rob ALL=(ALL) ALL I can run anything as any user, and will only be prompted for my *user* password after 15 minutes or whatever the timeout is. I run everything as a normal user, and use sudo programname for the occasional programs which require root priveleges. Don't forget to use visudo to edit that file, not a regular text file. Interesting fact: now that I have sudo setup, I haven't logged into this machine as root in *months*. -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: Juiliett Class Submarine bce SSL Fidel Castro Subversion signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GUI login screen.
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:19:54PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey said I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the one to pick up what pieces are left. Then go for it. It's just that it's so amazingly silly that people have trouble believing it is what you *really* want. Can you tell us *why* you want to do things like this as root? That said, it's certainly possible to do these things, even if the default Debian configuration makes it difficult. I am sure you have heard of welcha and blaster, been there done that, they dont ask permission. Uh, yes. This doesn't have anything to do with Debian, however. If such a thing were to appear on Linux, and could exploit a popular MUA (mail client), then it wouldn't matter if you were running as root or a regular user, the crap would still be mailed out and your privacy would still be breached. Maybe you dont understand what I, and others, want. Idealy if the gui login screen added 3 items it would solve a lot of problems and would not incur any security risks. 1. Reboot (If I want to go to Windows) 2. Shutdown (If I want to go to bed) No idea if these are there, I don't use a graphical login manager thingy. I'm sure I've seen them in screenshots, though. KDM or WDM maybe? 3. Text mode.(If I want to do something as root) ctrl-alt-f1 from the login thingy. I've said it lots of times, but sudo is a better option. What doesn't it do that you need? -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: anarchy red noise overthorw Etacs RSA brigand War Crimes signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GUI login screen.
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:57:30AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: From: Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you *can* set things up such that root can log in from the gui. It's just not set up that way in the *default* debian configuration. So true. A point made by others as well. However knowing that while a good thing doesnt help me. What program supplies gui login? Or maybe what config file sets up the login screen? In gdm (the GNOME Display Manager; if you're not using that, please tell us what your login screen looks like, otherwise we can't tell!), select Configure from the System menu. I dont like the idea that debian builds that jail Please, talk about jails is completely over the top. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 22:25 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the one to pick up what pieces are left. I am sure you have heard of welcha and blaster, been there done that, they dont ask permission. Maybe you dont understand what I, and others, want. Idealy if the gui login screen added 3 items it would solve a lot of problems and would not incur any security risks. 1. Reboot (If I want to go to Windows) 2. Shutdown (If I want to go to bed) 3. Text mode.(If I want to do something as root) You can set Debian up to do this; Debian is just set up to not do this by default. You can always over-ride defaults, but Debian does not have the purpose of winning people over with trinkets; Debian is designed for stability, security, robustness, Freedom, ease of maintenance. What you're asking for is more of a feature found on single-user computers; Debian tends to be geared more toward multi-user computers. In other words; it is your choice. But it's not the default. All you have to do is figure out how to over-ride the defaults. Since I usually don't use gdm or kdm, etc, I'm not familiar with where those things are set up. But looking in KDE real quick, I see there's a Control Panel, with a Login Manager control, that has a Sessions tab, that looks to be just what you're looking for. I suspect gdm and others have similar options. Incidently Cntl-alt-del doesnt work from gnome. I expected it would. I believe you'll find that it doesn't work anywhere in X, not just Gnome. Unless of course you've reconfigured your window manager/etc for it to work. I have no idea where that setting might be. -- Kent Thank you at last a starting point. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 06:59:02PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: You can almost certainly reconfigure GDM to allow you to do this, but it's still a REALLY silly idea. Using sudo is a good habit to get into, and it WILL save your arse at some point. Well, gdm asks for the root password in order to shut down, I think; so it's not too silly. (You can probably configure it in other ways too.) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: John Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 04:30 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the one to pick up what pieces are left. I am sure you have heard of welcha and blaster, been there done that, they dont ask permission. Maybe you dont understand what I, and others, want. Idealy if the gui login screen added 3 items it would solve a lot of problems and would not incur any security risks. 1. Reboot (If I want to go to Windows) 2. Shutdown (If I want to go to bed) 3. Text mode.(If I want to do something as root) I have been reading this thread and I find all this very strange. I installed Debian base (network install) and then went to Sarge . Installed X, KDM and KDE and I have all that I used to have in other distros - I can do all that you mention and more ! There may be ways not to have it like that but I have and didn't have to configure anything! My login GUI even present you with clickcable icons (pictures) for you to select whatever user / root you want with a single click ( no need to write the actual name ). And for the really lasy and don't-care-about-login-stuff guys you can configure the GUI to do an auto-login! I don't know what else you may require - it will hardly wash your car ... Incidently Cntl-alt-del doesnt work from gnome. I expected it would. Neither does from KDE but you can use cntl-alt-backspace and go to login screen and then choose whatever is that you wish . And pressing cntrl-alt-F1 goes to you first tty , cntrl-alt-F2 to the second, until cntrl-alt-F7 that gets you back on X ( where you were in the first place ). If your machine doesn't work like this, then you shurelly have have something strange going on ... Good luck ! John That is exactly what I wanted to hear. I dont doubt there is something strange going on at all. I do thank you for confirming what I expected linux to be and as soon as I get my real modem maybe a sarge update will be in order. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
John Peter wrote: I don't know what else you may require - it will hardly wash your car ... That explains the condition of my vehicle! Well then, forget Debian. I'm switching to Novell/SuSE. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
Rob Weir wrote: Interesting fact: now that I have sudo setup, I haven't logged into this machine as root in *months*. That's pretty much the norm for me also. I love sudo. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 06:32 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:57:30AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: From: Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you *can* set things up such that root can log in from the gui. It's just not set up that way in the *default* debian configuration. So true. A point made by others as well. However knowing that while a good thing doesnt help me. What program supplies gui login? Or maybe what config file sets up the login screen? In gdm (the GNOME Display Manager; if you're not using that, please tell us what your login screen looks like, otherwise we can't tell!), select Configure from the System menu. I dont like the idea that debian builds that jail Please, talk about jails is completely over the top. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using gdm. If jail is over the top then you cannot know how I feel. One of the contributors to the list made a refrenct to the location of Debian Reference I looked and found Debian Users Guide as well perhaps they will help. Thank you for the information. I'll try your suggestions. Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
Am Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 15:27 schrieb Hoyt Bailey: - Original Message - From: John Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 04:30 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the one to pick up what pieces are left. I am sure you have heard of welcha and blaster, been there done that, they dont ask permission. Maybe you dont understand what I, and others, want. Idealy if the gui login screen added 3 items it would solve a lot of problems and would not incur any security risks. 1. Reboot (If I want to go to Windows) 2. Shutdown (If I want to go to bed) 3. Text mode.(If I want to do something as root) I have been reading this thread and I find all this very strange. I installed Debian base (network install) and then went to Sarge . Installed X, KDM and KDE and I have all that I used to have in other distros - I can do all that you mention and more ! There may be ways not to have it like that but I have and didn't have to configure anything! My login GUI even present you with clickcable icons (pictures) for you to select whatever user / root you want with a single click ( no need to write the actual name ). And for the really lasy and don't-care-about-login-stuff guys you can configure the GUI to do an auto-login! I don't know what else you may require - it will hardly wash your car ... Incidently Cntl-alt-del doesnt work from gnome. I expected it would. Neither does from KDE but you can use cntl-alt-backspace and go to login screen and then choose whatever is that you wish . And pressing cntrl-alt-F1 goes to you first tty , cntrl-alt-F2 to the second, until cntrl-alt-F7 that gets you back on X ( where you were in the first place ). If your machine doesn't work like this, then you shurelly have have something strange going on ... Good luck ! John That is exactly what I wanted to hear. I dont doubt there is something strange going on at all. I do thank you for confirming what I expected linux to be and as soon as I get my real modem maybe a sarge update will be in order. Hoyt It has nothing to do with sarge, it works the way he described in woody too. Try dpkg-reconfigure kdm if you haven't already. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown...
Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: csj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 14:28 Subject: Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown... On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:56:47 -0600, Kent West wrote: [...] If you have an X session going, and you switch to a VTx, you can then log in as a different user and start a second X session with a command like startx -- :1. Go to a third VT and start a third session with a command like startx -- :2). You can then switch between these X sessions with Ctrl-Alt-F[7|8|9]. NOTE: Test first when you don't have anything important running; some video setups can't handle this and might freeze the box. If you have gdm installed and running you can run gdmflexiserver. (Recommended only for home users.) You kind people are giving me workarounds how about where where the gui login screen lives. i.e. what program is it? Regards; Hoyt From an earlier posting: ps ax | grep [d]m should give you a good clue [as to which session manager you're using (e.g. which login screen you're using) - we don't know what login screen you're using; only you know that] Then you can either uninstall it (apt-get --purge remove gdm to remove/purge gdm) or disable it (various ways, such as putting exit 0 as the first executable line in the script; the script for kdm should reside at /etc/init.d/kdm, or renaming/moving the script or symlink to the script). -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
Hoyt Bailey wrote: I am using gdm. If jail is over the top then you cannot know how I feel. This is probably what you want: http://www.ibiblio.org/oswg/oswg-nightly/gdm2/docs/C/gdm.html#AEN353 Especially see: 2.2.2. Security Options [security] AllowRoot AllowRoot=0 Graphical root logins are disallowed by default. Set this value to 1 to enable priviledged user logins. 2.2.5. Greeter Configuration [greeter] . . . SystemMenu SystemMenu=0 Turns the Shutdown/Halt menu on/off. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 11:57 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned: I think you *can* set things up such that root can log in from the gui. It's just not set up that way in the *default* debian configuration. So true. A point made by others as well. However knowing that while a good thing doesnt help me. What program supplies gui login? Or maybe what config file sets up the login screen? I dont like the idea that debian builds that jail and I cant get out. Hoyt I try to avoid the gui login, so I'm not sure. But I'm pretty sure I've seen references to it. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 02:04 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. As an answer to your first comment; If I desire to configure the Control Panel I dont like to continualy have to reenter root password to get it done also this concept has apparantly removed a lot of configuration options that should be there. I.E. in desktop 2.4 Caldera has an excellent configuration for X, you can set everything up correctly, this is gone in desktop 3 and RH 7.2. Before you get the urge I know this is Debian these are for example only The point being an example of Mainframe Mentality that seems to be growing in the Linux community (as someone mentioned a few days ago). Everyone should consider the future. What is the future of Linux? It should be to take over the Windows boxes it cant happen if everyone follows RH. Welcha blaster dont come through the mailbox and since they are just computer programs they can be stopped. Every time I got one or the other it was while downloading the Norton updates. That should tickel your fancy. I dont believe for a moment that the Norton site is infected. Nor have I been after getting the download finished. It's just that it's so amazingly silly that people have trouble beliving that it is what you 'really want'. or Debian tends to be geared more toward multi-user computers an example of MM. People have told me that their computer works just like I think mine should and they dont understand what the problem is. I think you should consider what is the purpose of the faces program which I noticed in my gnome start menu. Just because you dont use GUI dosent mean that others shouldnt and Linux isnt going to ever be as popular as Windows unless it becomes as user friendly as windows. In my opinion and you have the freedom to feel differently. Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 21:50 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned: The point being an example of Mainframe Mentality that seems to be growing in the Linux community (as someone mentioned a few days ago). Everyone should consider the future. What is the future of Linux? It should be to take over the Windows boxes it cant happen if everyone follows RH. ... It's just that it's so amazingly silly that people have trouble beliving that it is what you 'really want'. or Debian tends to be geared more toward multi-user computers an example of MM. People have told me that their computer works just like I think mine should and they dont understand what the problem is. I think you should consider what is the purpose of the faces program which I noticed in my gnome start menu. Just because you dont use GUI dosent mean that others shouldnt and Linux isnt going to ever be as popular as Windows unless it becomes as user friendly as windows. In my opinion and you have the freedom to feel differently. You assume that the future of linux should be to take over the Windows boxes. Why? Some people would like to see that, but that isn't the only possible point. Linus himself would vehemently disagree. His purpose for linux is to build the best damn operating system he can, according to his definitions. If it happens to take out the windows market, fine, but if it doesn't, *shrug*. If linux (which covers a lot of territory) becomes as user-friendly as windows, it will become quite crackable. That's not something that I want. Please consider that the reason that Debian is set up with certain defaults is that -- brace yourself -- overwhelmingly, the debian users like it that way. Debian users tend to prefer security to ease of use. Debian users tend to prefer command-line solutions to GUIs. Debian users tend to want to understand their system, not just use it. There are many distros out there, and while I adore Debian, I only recommend it to the subset of my friends who will probably appreciate it. There are many people who are happier with other distros. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 07:37 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 06:59:02PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: You can almost certainly reconfigure GDM to allow you to do this, but it's still a REALLY silly idea. Using sudo is a good habit to get into, and it WILL save your arse at some point. Well, gdm asks for the root password in order to shut down, I think; so it's not too silly. (You can probably configure it in other ways too.) -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. I told you I would try your suggestions. Here is what happened: Loged in as me at GUI login screen Selected Control Panel from gnome start menu under Debian selected Configure X Window (I told you gdm apparantly I was wrong) Input root password (now I'm root in X Windows) Now the panel has only X(red)cancel useable the rest are grayed out as is the panel Select cancel Open a drawer that has logout button inside All programs except Terminal are gone from both drawers. Select terminal Issue comand: sudo shutdown -r now Password: root password Failed Password: My password Failed with message that I would be reported to me. Punched logout button on gnome start menu and went to GUI login cntrl-alt-F1 Text mode login ? is it time to reinstall ? Regards: Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Dr.-Ing. C. Hurschler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 09:24 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Am Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 15:27 schrieb Hoyt Bailey: - Original Message - From: John Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 04:30 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. snip I have been reading this thread and I find all this very strange. I installed Debian base (network install) and then went to Sarge . Installed X, KDM and KDE and I have all that I used to have in other distros - I can do all that you mention and more ! There may be ways not to have it like that but I have and didn't have to configure anything! My login GUI even present you with clickcable icons (pictures) for you to select whatever user / root you want with a single click ( no need to write the actual name ). And for the really lasy and don't-care-about-login-stuff guys you can configure the GUI to do an auto-login! I don't know what else you may require - it will hardly wash your car ... kw washed his car since I have. That is exactly what I wanted to hear. I dont doubt there is something strange going on at all. I do thank you for confirming what I expected linux to be and as soon as I get my real modem maybe a sarge update will be in order. Hoyt It has nothing to do with sarge, it works the way he described in woody too. Try dpkg-reconfigure kdm if you haven't already. Chris That is a comfort to know that Your system works like Linux should I must confess that I dont understand the agenda of some. Since I issued apt-get --purge remove kdm. I suspect that wouldnt work will the command be the same for xdm, or maybe it was another command anyway its gone. Regards: Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Stephen Touset [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 12:06 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 22:25 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. In /etc/inittab, there's a line beginning with ctrlaltdel, or something very similar. In Debian (atleast to my knowledge), it's bound to /sbin/reboot, but it seems like it's not in your situation. Simply put /sbin/reboot at the end of the line (erasing any command that's there, if there is one), and restart init. Thanks that is good to know I'll keep it around Just In Case, somehow I think there may be bigger problems here than I first thought. Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:53 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Hoyt Bailey wrote: I am using gdm. If jail is over the top then you cannot know how I feel. This is probably what you want: http://www.ibiblio.org/oswg/oswg-nightly/gdm2/docs/C/gdm.html#AEN353 Especially see: 2.2.2. Security Options [security] AllowRoot AllowRoot=0 Graphical root logins are disallowed by default. Set this value to 1 to enable priviledged user logins. 2.2.5. Greeter Configuration [greeter] . . . SystemMenu SystemMenu=0 Turns the Shutdown/Halt menu on/off. Thank you sir that appears to be exactly what I need. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Monique Y. Herman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:42 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 11:57 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned: I think you *can* set things up such that root can log in from the gui. It's just not set up that way in the *default* debian configuration. So true. A point made by others as well. However knowing that while a good thing doesnt help me. What program supplies gui login? Or maybe what config file sets up the login screen? I dont like the idea that debian builds that jail and I cant get out. Hoyt I try to avoid the gui login, so I'm not sure. But I'm pretty sure I've seen references to it. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! Thanks I think Kent West just gave me the information I need. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 09:19:30AM -0600, Kent West wrote: John Peter wrote: I don't know what else you may require - it will hardly wash your car ... That explains the condition of my vehicle! Well then, forget Debian. I'm switching to Novell/SuSE. Drive it Northwest style: Don't wash it until the grass growing in the dirt starts affecting the gas mileage. Bill Nye is the only person I've seen that had a car demonstrating the result. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qadCUzgNqloQMwcRAiDfAJ9AtWlcAG/AGfDK6JXAmgT8TResDACg2Nh2 +KMf9boSF8OnwaIOSo3zSfg= =/1F5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 03:24:02PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: Please consider that the reason that Debian is set up with certain defaults is that -- brace yourself -- overwhelmingly, the debian users like it that way. Debian users tend to prefer security to ease of use. Debian users tend to prefer command-line solutions to GUIs. Debian users tend to want to understand their system, not just use it. I've read in more than one computer magazine complimenting Debian with the idea that Debian is the community successor to ATT UNIX. Whether or not this is the case, I take it as a compliment. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qajAUzgNqloQMwcRAlg8AJ9FjGOyx2moqCq0oz/kjUNS1+YnMQCeNvwM UbTzqCSozaDaIOYSKbv/6Lk= =gbE1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Jacob S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 19:11 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Thats one way but cant I have a choice. of -r or -h. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:47:50PM -0800, Paul Johnson said On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:02:27PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen. 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why? Because it's dangerous and stupid. Just use su -m when you need root, and end that session as soon as you don't need root anymore. Better still, sudo, so you have to consciously think about whether each command requires root privileges. Also, the audit trail is handy if you screw up. -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: Becker cryptographic gamma global Mena Axis Of Evil Mafia signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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- Original Message - From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 22:47 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:02:27PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen. 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why? Because it's dangerous and stupid. Just use su -m when you need root, and end that session as soon as you don't need root anymore. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/py92UzgNqloQMwcRAitLAKC41oUDBhNmneFTUfspCdQQgY1BkwCfdOK8 qkMhqTK4SbfPRj2De8liM0E= =3hkr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Ok for us stupid newbies. Why is it dangerous and stupid. RH and Caldera support an item in their login screen called I believe Consol which dumps you back to prior to startx and I recall root was included on the login screen. I would like at least the promise made after the logout button is pushed to be provided and I dont think that is unreasonable. Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
- Original Message - From: Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 23:08 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Hoyt Bailey wrote: There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen. 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why? Security issues. At the expense of being a stupid newbie, what security issues RH and Caldera both have root on their login screen. Has the rash of virisus caused a reconsideration of this. Not being disposed in this direction or capable of exploting any security hole I dont understand the problem. 2. The sessions secect drop down menu has: Gnome, Gnome chooser, Debian, KDE, Xsession, Failsafe Gnome, Failsafe KDE. When you leave Gnome or KDE by pressing the logout button you are told that you can logout, change logins or shutdown. Well I cant figure out how to shutdown other than login as me and start a terminal su, enter password, and issue the shutdown command. This is too much Cntl-alt-del would be simpler assuming I wanted to go to Windows, But how do you to go to shutdown -h now? As a normal user, you don't have permission to shut down. You have to reconfigure whatever session manager you're using (kdm, gdm, wdm, xdm) and edit the appropriate config file to allow normal users (or at least you) to shut down. Figure out which session manager you're using and let us know (ps ax | grep [d]m should give you a good clue), and then we can probably be more specific as to what needs to be changed in what file. -- Kent On a network I can understand why a normal used cannot shutdown the system, but a single user should be able to shutdown, reboot, etc, without becoming root. This shouldnt be a big problem. The output of ps ax | grep [d]m (some day I'll understand that grep command): 380 ?S/usr/bin/gdm 391 ?S/usr/bin/gdm 392 ?S/usr/bin/X11/X:0 -deferglyphs 16 -nolisten tcp vt7 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0,xauth ?shouldnt there be only 1 (either 380 or 391) and what does 392 mean. Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown...
As a normal user, you don't have permission to shut down. You have to reconfigure whatever session manager you're using (kdm, gdm, wdm, xdm) and edit the appropriate config file to allow normal users (or at least you) to shut down. Figure out which session manager you're using and let us know (ps ax | grep [d]m should give you a good clue), and then we can probably be more specific as to what needs to be changed in what file. That would be appreciated, also from my side. I found it a bit strange yesterday, when I reinstalled debian on a laptop, that I couldnt login as root graphically, and also that as a normal user I cant shutdown or reboot graphically or in text. Only via su. Also, how can one get out of the whole x system under Debian? To get back into text mode? I also havent found a method of booting into text. Regards, Hakim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Also, how can one get out of the whole x system under Debian? To get back into text mode? I also havent found a method of booting into text. You can always switch to text-mode via CtrlAltFx. Another solution is to press Altn during the kdm-login-screen (I don't know about gdm, though). If you want to always start into text-mode, just edit /etc/X11/ default-display-manager not to start your kdm/gdm/xdm. If you want to start into text-mode only sometimes you could also make your default-runlevel (in /etc/inittab) 5 (3 or 4 should also work) instead of 2 and rename the Sxx[kgx]dm in /etc/rc2.d/ to Kxx[kgx]dm. Then whenever you want to boot into text-mode you can give 2 as kernel-parameter, so that init activates runlevel 2. HTH Johannes -- More than machinery we need humanity -- Charlie Chaplin, The Great Dictator pgp0.pgp Description: signature
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:22:21PM +0100, S. Hakim Hamdani wrote: That would be appreciated, also from my side. I found it a bit strange yesterday, when I reinstalled debian on a laptop, that I couldn´t login as root graphically, and also that as a normal user I can´t shutdown or reboot graphically or in text. Only via su. gdm seems to let you shutdown or reboot if you configure it to let you (System / Configure, if I remember correctly). Also, how can one get out of the whole x system under Debian? To get back into text mode? Ctrl-Alt-F1. (Ctrl-)Alt-F7 gets you back to X. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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just logout and it will go to text mode or use ctrl+alt+F1 if you use the latter simply press ctrl+alt+F7 to get back to graphical mode When I do that, I get back to the login screen, and no way of getting out of there, except killing the xserver, which is a bit harsh. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI login screen.
Hoyt Bailey wrote: There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen. 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why? Because it's dangerous and stupid. Just use su -m when you need root, and end that session as soon as you don't need root anymore. [snip] Ok for us stupid newbies. Why is it dangerous and stupid. RH and Caldera support an item in their login screen called I believe Consol which dumps you back to prior to startx and I recall root was included on the login screen. I would like at least the promise made after the logout button is pushed to be provided and I dont think that is unreasonable. Regards; Hoyt Because when you login, every process runs with the permissions of the user that started it. So logging into X as root is dangerous becuase it makes it very easy to make a mistake and accidentally delete something or otherwise hose your system. As far as virsuses, if you happened to get one through email (unlikely) or fro untarring an unknown tarball, it would have root permissions and could easily wreak havoc. The idea of the root account is that it is for system maintenance, and should only be used for that. Thus, when you encounter a specific task like updating with apt, you use su or sudo and accomplish the task and then go back to being a normal user. The reason why distros like RH and Caldera support it is that much of their market (I believe) is former Windows admins or people running mixed shops. Once you are accustomed to the crutch of a GUI on a server it is difficult to change your way of thinking. In fact, you can setup GDM or KDM to allow root login, but Debian has it disabled by default. It is disabled for precisely the reasons I mentioned above. It is very risky to run so many processes as root. -Roberto -Roberto pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Well i think the best solution to get around this is to setup a normal user account... then edit the /etc/passwd file and set that person with root permissions so as soon as they login theyre automatically made root. Best Regards, Ken Gilmour You may be beautiful but they're keeping my idea on file. Registered Linux User # 330371 http://counter.li.org Replying to the message sent by Roberto Sanchez on Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:41:02 -0500, received at 16:27:29 on 04/11/2003. Roberto Sanchez wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen. 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why? Because it's dangerous and stupid. Just use su -m when you need root, and end that session as soon as you don't need root anymore. [snip] Ok for us stupid newbies. Why is it dangerous and stupid. RH and Caldera support an item in their login screen called I believe Consol which dumps you back to prior to startx and I recall root was included on the login screen. I would like at least the promise made after the logout button is pushed to be provided and I dont think that is unreasonable. Regards; Hoyt Because when you login, every process runs with the permissions of the user that started it. So logging into X as root is dangerous becuase it makes it very easy to make a mistake and accidentally delete something or otherwise hose your system. As far as virsuses, if you happened to get one through email (unlikely) or fro untarring an unknown tarball, it would have root permissions and could easily wreak havoc. The idea of the root account is that it is for system maintenance, and should only be used for that. Thus, when you encounter a specific task like updating with apt, you use su or sudo and accomplish the task and then go back to being a normal user. The reason why distros like RH and Caldera support it is that much of their market (I believe) is former Windows admins or people running mixed shops. Once you are accustomed to the crutch of a GUI on a server it is difficult to change your way of thinking. In fact, you can setup GDM or KDM to allow root login, but Debian has it disabled by default. It is disabled for precisely the reasons I mentioned above. It is very risky to run so many processes as root. -Roberto -Roberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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S. Hakim Hamdani wrote: just logout and it will go to text mode or use ctrl+alt+F1 if you use the latter simply press ctrl+alt+F7 to get back to graphical mode When I do that, I get back to the login screen, and no way of getting out of there, except killing the xserver, which is a bit harsh. H. I'm not sure what you're saying. -- If you're logged into X, and press Ctrl-Alt-Fx, you'll switch to VTx (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F3 to go to VT3), and from there, if you hit (Ctrl-)Alt-F7 (in most cases; F5 I believe with Knoppix, etc), you'll switch back to your open session in X. -- If you're not logged into X, but are sitting at the GUI login screen (such as gdm or kdm), and you do the above procedure, you'll switch to the VTx, then back to the GUI login screen. If you want to shut down the GUI login screen and just have text mode, switch to VTx, and then run something like /etc/init.d/gdm stop as root. This particular command will shut down the gdm GUI login screen. Free Tip for You and Your Friends/Family: - If you have an X session going, and you switch to a VTx, you can then log in as a different user and start a second X session with a command like startx -- :1. Go to a third VT and start a third session with a command like startx -- :2). You can then switch between these X sessions with Ctrl-Alt-F[7|8|9]. NOTE: Test first when you don't have anything important running; some video setups can't handle this and might freeze the box. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ken Gilmour wrote: Well i think the best solution to get around this is to setup a normal user account... then edit the /etc/passwd file and set that person with root permissions so as soon as they login theyre automatically made root. Umm, no. That means you're still capable of doing nasty things to your system. It's much better to use su or sudo to do root-type things, or if we're still talking about rebooting/shutdowns from the GUI login manager (gdm, kdm, etc), to configure that login manager to allow non-root access to these functions. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Please wrap your lines! It makes it much easier to read, and thus more likely that you'll get a response. Anywhere between 70 and 80 is acceptable; 72 seems to be a nice value.] On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:28:38PM +, Ken Gilmour said Well i think the best solution to get around this is to setup a normal user account... then edit the /etc/passwd file and set that person with root permissions so as soon as they login theyre automatically made root. Uh, why? If you really, truly want to run as root, then run as root. Making a second uid 0 account is no security at all. The normal user, then sudo when you need to mantra may be old, but it's still extremely good advice. -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: AGT. AMME digicash Subversion beanpole BCCI Marxist asset signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown...
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:56:47 -0600 Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not sure what you're saying. -- If you're logged into X, and press Ctrl-Alt-Fx, you'll switch to VTx (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F3 to go to VT3), and from there, if you hit (Ctrl-)Alt-F7 (in most cases; F5 I believe with Knoppix, etc), you'll switch back to your open session in X. It's still F7 as of Knoppix v. 3.2. -- If you're not logged into X, but are sitting at the GUI login screen (such as gdm or kdm), and you do the above procedure, you'll switch to the VTx, then back to the GUI login screen. If you want to shut down the GUI login screen and just have text mode, switch to VTx, and then run something like /etc/init.d/gdm stop as root. This particular command will shut down the gdm GUI login screen. I think this is the part that was confusing him. He was trying to logout and it was simply taking him back to the gdm login screen. /etc/init.d/gdm stop is a much better way, as you mention. Jacob - GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 .vbs = Virus Bearing Script? pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 at 13:52 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned: On a network I can understand why a normal used cannot shutdown the system, but a single user should be able to shutdown, reboot, etc, without becoming root. This shouldnt be a big problem. In fact, I think it's critical for a machine to which a user has physical access. If the user wants to reboot the machine, no matter how ill-advisedly, I'd rather they use the software version than the power button. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:09:53AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! You know, it must be so obvious to you experienced people, but there are some of us out here that take ages to discover that in mutt, for example, we should press 'L' instead of 'r' to send a list reply. -- David Jardine Running Debian GNU/Linux and loving every minute of it. -Sacher M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:56:47 -0600, Kent West wrote: [...] If you have an X session going, and you switch to a VTx, you can then log in as a different user and start a second X session with a command like startx -- :1. Go to a third VT and start a third session with a command like startx -- :2). You can then switch between these X sessions with Ctrl-Alt-F[7|8|9]. NOTE: Test first when you don't have anything important running; some video setups can't handle this and might freeze the box. If you have gdm installed and running you can run gdmflexiserver. (Recommended only for home users.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 at 21:14 GMT, David Jardine penned: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:09:53AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! You know, it must be so obvious to you experienced people, but there are some of us out here that take ages to discover that in mutt, for example, we should press 'L' instead of 'r' to send a list reply. I would never claim that it's so obvious. I'm just requesting that I not be CC'd. The mechanics of not getting CC'd, of course, depend on the person and the client they're using. I do set some headers to encourage the mail client to do the right thing, but unfortunately, not all clients respect them. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 01:28 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. Guess I will have to. Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the one to pick up what pieces are left. I am sure you have heard of welcha and blaster, been there done that, they dont ask permission. Maybe you dont understand what I, and others, want. Idealy if the gui login screen added 3 items it would solve a lot of problems and would not incur any security risks. 1. Reboot (If I want to go to Windows) 2. Shutdown (If I want to go to bed) 3. Text mode.(If I want to do something as root) Incidently Cntl-alt-del doesnt work from gnome. I expected it would. Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 00:19 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned: - Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the one to pick up what pieces are left. I am sure you have heard of welcha and blaster, been there done that, they dont ask permission. Maybe you dont understand what I, and others, want. Idealy if the gui login screen added 3 items it would solve a lot of problems and would not incur any security risks. 1. Reboot (If I want to go to Windows) 2. Shutdown (If I want to go to bed) 3. Text mode.(If I want to do something as root) Incidently Cntl-alt-del doesnt work from gnome. I expected it would. Regards; Hoyt I think you *can* set things up such that root can log in from the gui. It's just not set up that way in the *default* debian configuration. -- monique PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:08:11AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: Ok for us stupid newbies. Why is it dangerous and stupid. RH and Caldera support an item in their login screen called I believe Consol which dumps you back to prior to startx and I recall root was included on the login screen. KDM does that, as well. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qGGVUzgNqloQMwcRAmKLAKDHVAAUgrFHnF1eECX3IV0qi43sogCfW1Br iEu/EXhvVYYEYQeXB62hAbo= =yB0D -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 04:24:21AM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: [Please wrap your lines! It makes it much easier to read, and thus more likely that you'll get a response. Anywhere between 70 and 80 is acceptable; 72 seems to be a nice value.] On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:28:38PM +, Ken Gilmour said Well i think the best solution to get around this is to setup a normal user account... then edit the /etc/passwd file and set that person with root permissions so as soon as they login theyre automatically made root. And you now have two possible passwords to gain access to super-user access, you've doubled the odds of someone gaining root by brute-force. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/qGOrUzgNqloQMwcRAluYAJ9xnIprjQyW7bIS3HiMk3MJpFReegCgjRIe kTG9NDPO/nlyfJTAgabY6Ck= =izx3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hoyt Bailey wrote: - Original Message - From: Roberto Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41 Subject: Re: GUI login screen. I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the one to pick up what pieces are left. I am sure you have heard of welcha and blaster, been there done that, they dont ask permission. Maybe you dont understand what I, and others, want. Idealy if the gui login screen added 3 items it would solve a lot of problems and would not incur any security risks. 1. Reboot (If I want to go to Windows) 2. Shutdown (If I want to go to bed) 3. Text mode.(If I want to do something as root) You can set Debian up to do this; Debian is just set up to not do this by default. You can always over-ride defaults, but Debian does not have the purpose of winning people over with trinkets; Debian is designed for stability, security, robustness, Freedom, ease of maintenance. What you're asking for is more of a feature found on single-user computers; Debian tends to be geared more toward multi-user computers. In other words; it is your choice. But it's not the default. All you have to do is figure out how to over-ride the defaults. Since I usually don't use gdm or kdm, etc, I'm not familiar with where those things are set up. But looking in KDE real quick, I see there's a Control Panel, with a Login Manager control, that has a Sessions tab, that looks to be just what you're looking for. I suspect gdm and others have similar options. Incidently Cntl-alt-del doesnt work from gnome. I expected it would. I believe you'll find that it doesn't work anywhere in X, not just Gnome. Unless of course you've reconfigured your window manager/etc for it to work. I have no idea where that setting might be. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen. 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why? 2. The sessions secect drop down menu has: Gnome, Gnome chooser, Debian, KDE, Xsession, Failsafe Gnome, Failsafe KDE. When you leave Gnome or KDE by pressing the logout button you are told that you can logout, change logins or shutdown. Well I cant figure out how to shutdown other than login as me and start a terminal su, enter password, and issue the shutdown command. This is too much Cntl-alt-del would be simpler assuming I wanted to go to Windows, But how do you to go to shutdown -h now? Regards; Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:02:27 -0600 Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen. 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why? 2. The sessions secect drop down menu has: Gnome, Gnome chooser, Debian, KDE, Xsession, Failsafe Gnome, Failsafe KDE. When you leave Gnome or KDE by pressing the logout button you are told that you can logout, change logins or shutdown. Well I cant figure out how to shutdown other than login as me and start a terminal su, enter password, and issue the shutdown command. This is too much Cntl-alt-del would be simpler assuming I wanted to go to Windows, But how do you to go to shutdown -h now? Regards; Hoyt I'll let one of the security gurus explain #1 to you. A quick solution for #2 though, is to edit /etc/inittab and look for the line containing ctrlaltdel, then change the -r to -h. Here's what the unedited line looks like on my Debian Woody system: ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t1 -a -r now HTH, Jacob - GnuPG Key: 1024D/16377135 With Windows Millennium, Microsoft was able to get the boot time down to 25 seconds. That's almost as short as it's uptime. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:02:27PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote: There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen. 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why? Because it's dangerous and stupid. Just use su -m when you need root, and end that session as soon as you don't need root anymore. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/py92UzgNqloQMwcRAitLAKC41oUDBhNmneFTUfspCdQQgY1BkwCfdOK8 qkMhqTK4SbfPRj2De8liM0E= =3hkr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hoyt Bailey wrote: There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen. 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why? Security issues. 2. The sessions secect drop down menu has: Gnome, Gnome chooser, Debian, KDE, Xsession, Failsafe Gnome, Failsafe KDE. When you leave Gnome or KDE by pressing the logout button you are told that you can logout, change logins or shutdown. Well I cant figure out how to shutdown other than login as me and start a terminal su, enter password, and issue the shutdown command. This is too much Cntl-alt-del would be simpler assuming I wanted to go to Windows, But how do you to go to shutdown -h now? As a normal user, you don't have permission to shut down. You have to reconfigure whatever session manager you're using (kdm, gdm, wdm, xdm) and edit the appropriate config file to allow normal users (or at least you) to shut down. Figure out which session manager you're using and let us know (ps ax | grep [d]m should give you a good clue), and then we can probably be more specific as to what needs to be changed in what file. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
