Re: GUIs are turning into seas of grey (gnumeric)

[David Wright]

On Sat 09 Feb 2019 at 07:03:50 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 09 February 2019 03:18:43 Paul Sutton wrote:
> > On 09/02/2019 08:11, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > > On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 21:38:30 -0600
> > > David Wright  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello David,
> > >
> > >> I can't understand why modern GUIs are composed of grey20 widgets
> > >> on a grey21 background.
> > >
> > > Fashion.  Pure and simple.
> > >
> > > It's ludicrous, I agree;  We finally have near photo-realistic GFX
> > > systems, and UI designers decide the best way to use them is to make
> > > everything monochrome.
> >
> > I have made GUI applications in Tkinter and agree,  buttons are grey, 
> > and yet dialog boxes can have a number of icons in them, for warning, 
> > information,  in a mix of colours for example Yellow, red or green
> > depending on the context.
> >
> > I am not sure if it is possible to add colour to the buttons,  I will
> > look in to it.  However there should be an agreed convention otherwise
> > an application with several buttons .   We should consider
> > accessibility on this.

If you're actually coding in (or have the code to) Tkinter, it can be
as easy as changing, say, a line like

Tkinter.Button(xbar, text = 'Exit', command = self.quit
   ).pack(side = 'right')
to
Tkinter.Button(xbar, text = 'Exit', fg = 'red', command = self.quit
   ).pack(side = 'right')

if the colour is static.

> As another gui builder, in this case for LinuxCNC,  the ability to add a 
> color to a button background could save a considerable amount of screen 
> real estate simply because the button could then be its own tally. 
> Having to compose an underlining led serving as the tally, takes a 
> minimum of 6 lines of vertical real estate, and a text button demanding 
> around 3x the height of the text is also a huge wasted space, 1 line 
> above and 1 line below the height of the font would be a great plenty. 
> I've looked at the srcs but don't know enough of that code language 
> to "fix" it. But I'd sure be greatfull to anyone who could fix it.

But here it's likely the GUI has been built with some IDE which can
make the actual code look much more complicated.

As an aside, searching through the stretch Packages file with

/^Package: .*theme

looking for gtk themes, I happened to pass by hits like
chameleon-cursor-theme and dmz-cursor-theme. So I installed these
and found it very simple to drop

export XCURSOR_THEME=DMZ-White XCURSOR_SIZE=64

into .xsession and get nice chunky cursors.

(I also learned something about who "owns" the cursor as you move it
around on the screen and applications.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: GUIs are turning into seas of grey (gnumeric)

[David Wright]

On Sat 09 Feb 2019 at 23:16:42 (+0100), Michael Lange wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 14:40:18 -0600
> David Wright  wrote:
> > 
> > However, you've taught me what to look for in the Packages/Descriptions
> > files, and I've now installed gnome-accessibility-themes. Not pretty,
> > but does just what I want in gnumeric. Thanks.
> 
> you might want to also have a look at the TraditionalOk theme from the
> mate-themes package. Imho this one more or less keeps what its name
> promises.

OK, that took 9 dependencies to install, many the same as for Numix.
But I'm afraid it (and the Green variant) fail in a not quite similar
manner, which needs all four screenshots to illustrate. The first
three correspond, as usual, for the three buttons; the fourth (which
is the initial state for the dialogue) is the problem: the Save
button appears to be selected when actually it isn't. Because of its
blue colour, it's difficult to see that the document name is what's
highlighted in 4. In fact, the easiest way to see whether the document
name or Save is highlighted is to keep tapping Tab to go round and
round.

So I'll stick with Accessibility, thanks. As you may or may not guess,
I'm operating with the keyboard. I can move the cursor with the touchpad,
but not click. For that, I have to use a mouse.

For my browser, I have set up F12/^F12 for left/right click (in fvwm),
but it doesn't work in gnumeric.

Thanks again.

Cheers,
David.

Re: GUIs are turning into seas of grey ([Solved] for gnumeric, & FF scrollbars)

[Michael Lange]

Hi,

On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 14:40:18 -0600
David Wright  wrote:

> 
> However, you've taught me what to look for in the Packages/Descriptions
> files, and I've now installed gnome-accessibility-themes. Not pretty,
> but does just what I want in gnumeric. Thanks.

you might want to also have a look at the TraditionalOk theme from the
mate-themes package. Imho this one more or less keeps what its name
promises.

Regards

Michael


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Re: GUIs are turning into seas of grey ([Solved] for gnumeric, & FF scrollbars)

[David Wright]

On Sat 09 Feb 2019 at 11:25:20 (+0300), Reco wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 09:38:30PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > I can't understand why modern GUIs are composed of grey20 widgets
> > on a grey21 background. How am I meant to know what's going to happen
> > when I press Return on each of these dialogue boxes, 1­3?
> 
> Enjoy your stock GTK+3 theme. Just joking, of course.
> 
> > We used to see things more like attachment 4 only a few years ago.
> > How can I get back something like that?
> 
> >From the upstream POV - you should not. They like things looking that
> way (i.e. non-contrast tablet style with HUEG fonts and widgets), they
> discourage users from writing their own GTK+3 themes (which *can* change
> the appearance of the dialog window in question).
> 
> If you're willing to risk funny-looking GTK+3 applications - I have a
> solution for this particular case:
> 
> # apt install numix-gtk-theme
> 
> $ GTK_THEME=Numix gnumeric
> 
> Setting this theme systemwide is left as an exercise for the readers.

Well, I tried that, and it was more colourful, but no improvement in
the button contrast. Same with some of the other themes that were
installed as dependencies.

However, you've taught me what to look for in the Packages/Descriptions
files, and I've now installed gnome-accessibility-themes. Not pretty,
but does just what I want in gnumeric. Thanks.

I put GTK_THEME=HighContrast into my .xsession which works fine.

It has also widened the scrollbars on firefox which had narrowed
dramatically, was it in late 2017. It's been so easy to miss the
scrollbar and raise/lower the window instead of scrolling.

As I run another instance of FF under a different username, I've also
put GTK_THEME=HighContrast into the script that runs it via ssh.
(I think ssh prevents the environment being inherited.)

As for systemwide, I'm guessing that putting it into one of:
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/{39,41}my-x11-common_xsessionrc
might do it, because that's where the system picks up your
home-grown .xsessionrc.

Cheers,
David.

Re: GUIs are turning into seas of grey (gnumeric)

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 09 February 2019 03:18:43 Paul Sutton wrote:

> On 09/02/2019 08:11, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 21:38:30 -0600
> > David Wright  wrote:
> >
> > Hello David,
> >
> >> I can't understand why modern GUIs are composed of grey20 widgets
> >> on a grey21 background.
> >
> > Fashion.  Pure and simple.
> >
> > It's ludicrous, I agree;  We finally have near photo-realistic GFX
> > systems, and UI designers decide the best way to use them is to make
> > everything monochrome.
>
> I have made GUI applications in Tkinter and agree,  buttons are grey, 
> and yet dialog boxes can have a number of icons in them, for warning, 
> information,  in a mix of colours for example Yellow, red or green
> depending on the context.
>
> I am not sure if it is possible to add colour to the buttons,  I will
> look in to it.  However there should be an agreed convention otherwise
> an application with several buttons .   We should consider
> accessibility on this.
>
> Paul

As another gui builder, in this case for LinuxCNC,  the ability to add a 
color to a button background could save a considerable amount of screen 
real estate simply because the button could then be its own tally. 
Having to compose an underlining led serving as the tally, takes a 
minimum of 6 lines of vertical real estate, and a text button demanding 
around 3x the height of the text is also a huge wasted space, 1 line 
above and 1 line below the height of the font would be a great plenty. 
I've looked at the srcs but don't know enough of that code language 
to "fix" it. But I'd sure be greatfull to anyone who could fix it.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: GUIs are turning into seas of grey (gnumeric)

[tomas]

On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 09:38:30PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> I can't understand why modern GUIs are composed of grey20 widgets
> on a grey21 background.

Ending is better than mending. Form replaces function.

(not having my constructive day today, sorry)

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Re: GUIs are turning into seas of grey (gnumeric)

[Reco]

Hi.

On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 09:38:30PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> I can't understand why modern GUIs are composed of grey20 widgets
> on a grey21 background. How am I meant to know what's going to happen
> when I press Return on each of these dialogue boxes, 1­3?

Enjoy your stock GTK+3 theme. Just joking, of course.


> We used to see things more like attachment 4 only a few years ago.
> How can I get back something like that?

>From the upstream POV - you should not. They like things looking that
way (i.e. non-contrast tablet style with HUEG fonts and widgets), they
discourage users from writing their own GTK+3 themes (which *can* change
the appearance of the dialog window in question).

If you're willing to risk funny-looking GTK+3 applications - I have a
solution for this particular case:

# apt install numix-gtk-theme

$ GTK_THEME=Numix gnumeric

Setting this theme systemwide is left as an exercise for the readers.

Reco

Re: GUIs are turning into seas of grey (gnumeric)

[Paul Sutton]

On 09/02/2019 08:11, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 21:38:30 -0600
> David Wright  wrote:
>
> Hello David,
>
>> I can't understand why modern GUIs are composed of grey20 widgets
>> on a grey21 background.
> Fashion.  Pure and simple.
>
> It's ludicrous, I agree;  We finally have near photo-realistic GFX
> systems, and UI designers decide the best way to use them is to make
> everything monochrome.
>
I have made GUI applications in Tkinter and agree,  buttons are grey, 
and yet dialog boxes can have a number of icons in them, for warning, 
information,  in a mix of colours for example Yellow, red or green
depending on the context.

I am not sure if it is possible to add colour to the buttons,  I will
look in to it.  However there should be an agreed convention otherwise
an application with several buttons .   We should consider accessibility
on this.

Paul

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Re: GUIs are turning into seas of grey (gnumeric)

[Brad Rogers]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 21:38:30 -0600
David Wright  wrote:

Hello David,

>I can't understand why modern GUIs are composed of grey20 widgets
>on a grey21 background.

Fashion.  Pure and simple.

It's ludicrous, I agree;  We finally have near photo-realistic GFX
systems, and UI designers decide the best way to use them is to make
everything monochrome.

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GUIs are turning into seas of grey (gnumeric)

[David Wright]

I can't understand why modern GUIs are composed of grey20 widgets
on a grey21 background. How am I meant to know what's going to happen
when I press Return on each of these dialogue boxes, 1­3?

We used to see things more like attachment 4 only a few years ago.
How can I get back something like that?

help.gnome.org/users/gnumeric/stable/gnumeric.html is a huge page
and it shows fancy elements being placed on graphs, but not into
its own windows, as far as I can see.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Finding material with F1 or in "The Gnumeric Manual"

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/08/2018 01:21 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Mon 08 Jan 2018 at 10:58:35 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:

On 01/07/2018 11:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm new to gnumeric and have not used any spreadsheet since mid 70's.
I'm running Debian 9.1 with MATE desktop and gnumeric 1.12.32 .



I'm having a different problem now. But I see an common element -
not efficiently using available documentation.

I have a large rectangular region. I wish, on a per column basis, to
calculate the average of the values in that column. I found how to
get the average of a range in a particular column. But I don't see
how to simply do the same for a region.


Copy (^C) the cell with the average in it.
Paste (^V) it into the cells alongside this cell,
ie the ones where you want said averages to appear.


I eventually got there by using the R1C1 notation.
That is copying AVERAGE(R1C:R23C) was more intuitively more proper than 
copying  AVERAGE(A1:A23).




As this is about the second thing you learn about spreadsheet
behaviour (after summing and averaging, a column), it sounds
as if you need to find a simple guide to spreadsheet operations.



That may be the solution. From 40 years ago I remember *WHAT* 
spreadsheets can do rather than *HOW* to do it.


Thank you.

P.S. any way to force default notation to be R1C1?

Re: Finding material with F1 or in "The Gnumeric Manual"

[David Wright]

On Mon 08 Jan 2018 at 10:58:35 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 01/07/2018 11:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >I'm new to gnumeric and have not used any spreadsheet since mid 70's.
> >I'm running Debian 9.1 with MATE desktop and gnumeric 1.12.32 .
> >
> 
> I'm having a different problem now. But I see an common element -
> not efficiently using available documentation.
> 
> I have a large rectangular region. I wish, on a per column basis, to
> calculate the average of the values in that column. I found how to
> get the average of a range in a particular column. But I don't see
> how to simply do the same for a region.

Copy (^C) the cell with the average in it.
Paste (^V) it into the cells alongside this cell,
ie the ones where you want said averages to appear.

As this is about the second thing you learn about spreadsheet
behaviour (after summing and averaging, a column), it sounds
as if you need to find a simple guide to spreadsheet operations.

Cheers,
David.

Finding material with F1 or in "The Gnumeric Manual"

[Richard Owlett]

On 01/07/2018 11:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I'm new to gnumeric and have not used any spreadsheet since mid 70's.
I'm running Debian 9.1 with MATE desktop and gnumeric 1.12.32 .



I'm having a different problem now. But I see an common element - not 
efficiently using available documentation.


I have a large rectangular region. I wish, on a per column basis, to 
calculate the average of the values in that column. I found how to get 
the average of a range in a particular column. But I don't see how to 
simply do the same for a region.


TIA

gnumeric has a high priority than libreoffice impress?

[wolf python london]

Hi all,

That sounds ridiculous at fist glance ,right? But it happens here .
In my Wheezy , when I try to open a .ppt file( I really don't want to
do ,but no other way @_@),
I double click the file (eg, test.ppt) , it pops up a dialog which
shows it doesn't support the file format.
yes, it is the Gnumeric that executes and tries to open a .ppt .

I also try to right-click the file (test.ppt), the context menu shows
the  gnumeric first , and then libreoffice impress.
It seems that I should change the priority , so I click the use other
application of context menu ,and choose the
libreoffice impress and mark the  remember the application that open
MS Powerpoint. I thought it were ok .
but it doesn't !!  When opening anther .ppt file , the system still
chooses the gnumeric to open it (I think the
Gnumeric has a WRONG priority).

BTW, it's useless to purge gnumeric and reinstall it late, which means
 after purging the gnumeric the system temporarily
use the libreoffice impress to open .ppt files , BUT the system
chooses to open .ppt file using gnumeric by default after I install
the gnumeric again

any clue ? it's not a big problem, but bothersome!

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Re: gnumeric has a high priority than libreoffice impress?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:56:24 +0800, wolf python london wrote:

 That sounds ridiculous at fist glance ,right? 

Nope, if you are using GNOME. It sounds normal to give GNOME applications 
a higher priority than others, like html files that open with Epiphany 
instead Iceweasel :-)

 But it happens here . In my Wheezy , when I try to open a .ppt file( I
 really don't want to do ,but no other way @_@),

(...)

Try with another method.

Right-click on the PPT file and select Properties. Then go to Open 
with tab and try to set it from there.

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Re: gnumeric has a high priority than libreoffice impress?

[wolf python london]

On 21 June 2011 21:09, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:56:24 +0800, wolf python london wrote:

 That sounds ridiculous at fist glance ,right?

 Nope, if you are using GNOME. It sounds normal to give GNOME applications
 a higher priority than others, like html files that open with Epiphany
 instead Iceweasel :-)

I mean gnumeric is for excel while it tries to open a ppt  :-).
yes, I'm using GNOME. And the priority the system sets for us is absurd @_@.


 But it happens here . In my Wheezy , when I try to open a .ppt file( I
 really don't want to do ,but no other way @_@),

 (...)

 Try with another method.

 Right-click on the PPT file and select Properties. Then go to Open
 with tab and try to set it from there.

Ok , it works now , thanks Camaleón!


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Re: gnumeric has a high priority than libreoffice impress?

[Camaleón]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:25:24 +0800, wolf python london wrote:

 On 21 June 2011 21:09, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:56:24 +0800, wolf python london wrote:

 That sounds ridiculous at fist glance ,right?

 Nope, if you are using GNOME. It sounds normal to give GNOME
 applications a higher priority than others, like html files that open
 with Epiphany instead Iceweasel :-)
 
 I mean gnumeric is for excel while it tries to open a ppt  :-). yes, I'm
 using GNOME. And the priority the system sets for us is absurd @_@.

Ouch! My bad O:-)

I didn't put attention on the extension but the application, sorry.
 
 But it happens here . In my Wheezy , when I try to open a .ppt file( I
 really don't want to do ,but no other way @_@),

 (...)

 Try with another method.

 Right-click on the PPT file and select Properties. Then go to Open
 with tab and try to set it from there.

 Ok , it works now , thanks Camaleón!

Ah, good to know ;-)

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Re: gnumeric has a high priority than libreoffice impress?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 21 iun 11, 19:56:24, wolf python london wrote:

[snip .ppt opened with gnumeric]

This is not a question of priority, but of wrong application. Please 
file a bug against gnumeric, if one doesn't already exist.

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Re: gnumeric has a high priority than libreoffice impress?

[wolf python london]

On 22 June 2011 02:19, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Ma, 21 iun 11, 19:56:24, wolf python london wrote:

 [snip .ppt opened with gnumeric]

 This is not a question of priority, but of wrong application. Please
 file a bug against gnumeric, if one doesn't already exist.

I remember I  tried to open a ppt with gnumeric  carelessly ,'casue
the bad mouse !  So the system
remembers  it ,and sets gnumeric a highest priority(wrong application) .
Is it really necessary to file a bug , Andrei?

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Re: gnumeric has a high priority than libreoffice impress?

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Mi, 22 iun 11, 08:25:00, wolf python london wrote:

 I remember I  tried to open a ppt with gnumeric  carelessly ,'casue
 the bad mouse !  So the system
 remembers  it ,and sets gnumeric a highest priority(wrong application) .
 Is it really necessary to file a bug , Andrei?

Well, in this case I think the system did exactly what you asked it to 
do, so there is no bug :)

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printing troubles in sid/gnucash/gnumeric

[Andrew Sackville-West]

hey gang, 

fully up-to-date sid.

first real problem I've had in forever. Just today when I was printing
some checks from gnucash I got a segfault. Gnucash crashed. After that
it won't print checks anymore. It will print reports fine, but not
checks. I've confirmed with gnucash upstream that report and check
printing are two different things (the dialogs look different). 

So the symptoms: reports print just fine, checks print to a blank
page. Even printing to a file and viewing it gets a blank page. 

Interestingly, printing in gnumeric also seems broken, but it actually
produces an error in cups foomatic-rip failed. But it will print to
a file just fine. :( 

Its all very confusing and frustrating. 

Anyone else seeing this behavior? 

thanks

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Re: printing troubles in sid/gnucash/gnumeric

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 05:55:25PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
 hey gang, 
 
 fully up-to-date sid.
 
 first real problem I've had in forever. Just today when I was printing
 some checks from gnucash I got a segfault. Gnucash crashed. After that
 it won't print checks anymore. It will print reports fine, but not
 checks. I've confirmed with gnucash upstream that report and check
 printing are two different things (the dialogs look different). 
 
 So the symptoms: reports print just fine, checks print to a blank
 page. Even printing to a file and viewing it gets a blank page. 
 
 Interestingly, printing in gnumeric also seems broken, but it actually
 produces an error in cups foomatic-rip failed. But it will print to
 a file just fine. :( 

A little update: I've downgraded from the new all-in-one wonderful
ghostscript to gs-* packages. The symptoms are almost the same except
now gnumeric will print blank pages instead of failing outright. 

So I'm at least partway there... 

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gnumeric druckt leeres Blatt

[Klaus Becker]

Moin,

ich benutze Sarge auf AMD64.

Gnumeric druckt leere oder halbleere Blätter, auch die Vorschau zeigt leere 
oder halbleere Blätter. Genauso bei pdf-Dateien.

Gruß

Klaus

gnumeric and landscape printing

[Arthur Marsh]

I added a comment to Debian bug report #374192 about the difficulty in 
printing in landscape mode from gnumeric to a CUPS printer, but have 
heard nothing further in the six weeks or so since I added my comment.


Has anyone else experienced problems with landscape printing from 
gnumeric? (I have had no problem with printing in landscape mode from 
OpenOffice.org Calc.)


Arthur.


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zu große Schrift in Gnumeric

[Klaus Becker]

n'Abend,

unter Kde und Sarge benutze ich Gnumeric. Die Menüs in Gnumeric haben riesige 
Schriften und sie lassen sich weder durch Einstellungen im 
Gnome-Controll-Center noch in gtk-thme-switch beeindrucken.

Gruß

Klaus

Gnumeric doesn't work in Testing (for me)...

[Eric P]

I'm running testing, recently upgraded all packages to be upgraded
(Gnome 2.10 and Xorg were the biggies), and Gnumeric no longer starts
anymore.

Here's what I get:
$ gnumeric
gnumeric: symbol lookup error: gnumeric: undefined symbol: cell_formats

Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks for reading.
Eric P.


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Re: Gnumeric doesn't work in Testing (for me)...

[James Vahn]

Eric P wrote:
 I'm running testing, recently upgraded all packages to be upgraded
 (Gnome 2.10 and Xorg were the biggies), and Gnumeric no longer starts
 anymore.
 
 Here's what I get:
 $ gnumeric
 gnumeric: symbol lookup error: gnumeric: undefined symbol: cell_formats
 
 Anyone else have this problem?

Yup. Thanks for pointing it out, I'd not want to find out the hard way. 
Try wajig install/unstable gnumeric and see if that works.

  Version table:
 1.5.90-1 0
 50 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
 *** 1.5.1-1 0
990 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages

 


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Re: Gnumeric doesn't work in Testing (for me)...

[Eric P]

James Vahn wrote:
 Eric P wrote:
 
I'm running testing, recently upgraded all packages to be upgraded
(Gnome 2.10 and Xorg were the biggies), and Gnumeric no longer starts
anymore.

Here's what I get:
$ gnumeric
gnumeric: symbol lookup error: gnumeric: undefined symbol: cell_formats

Anyone else have this problem?
 
 
 Yup. Thanks for pointing it out, I'd not want to find out the hard way. 
 Try wajig install/unstable gnumeric and see if that works.
 
   Version table:
  1.5.90-1 0
  50 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
  *** 1.5.1-1 0
 990 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages
 
  
Thanks for the tip.

However, can you clue me into wajig?
It just reinstalled 1.5.1-1 when I the wajig line up there.

I tried putting the following in sources.list:
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages

But that didn't work, and gave the following errors on apt-get update:
...
Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main/Packages Packages
  Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
128.101.80.133 21]
...
Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main/Packages Release
---

I think I'm missing something here.
Thanks,
Eric P


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Re: Gnumeric doesn't work in Testing (for me)...

[Eric P]

Eric P wrote:
 James Vahn wrote:
 
Eric P wrote:


I'm running testing, recently upgraded all packages to be upgraded
(Gnome 2.10 and Xorg were the biggies), and Gnumeric no longer starts
anymore.

Here's what I get:
$ gnumeric
gnumeric: symbol lookup error: gnumeric: undefined symbol: cell_formats

Anyone else have this problem?


Yup. Thanks for pointing it out, I'd not want to find out the hard way. 
Try wajig install/unstable gnumeric and see if that works.

  Version table:
 1.5.90-1 0
 50 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
 *** 1.5.1-1 0
990 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main Packages

 
 
 Thanks for the tip.
 
 However, can you clue me into wajig?
 It just reinstalled 1.5.1-1 when I the wajig line up there.
 
 I tried putting the following in sources.list:
 deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
 
 But that didn't work, and gave the following errors on apt-get update:
 ...
 Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main/Packages Packages
   Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file.  ' [IP:
 128.101.80.133 21]
 ...
 Ign ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main/Packages Release
 ---
 
 I think I'm missing something here.
 Thanks,
 Eric P
 

Nevermind.  I just grabbed the gnumeric and gnumeric-common packages
from unstable and installed those.

It works again.

Thanks,
Eric P


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Re: Gnumeric doesn't work in Testing (for me)...

[James Vahn]

Eric P wrote:
 James Vahn wrote:
 Try wajig install/unstable gnumeric and see if that works.
  
 Thanks for the tip.

And thank you for the heads up- gnumeric is working for me again. :-)

 However, can you clue me into wajig?
 It just reinstalled 1.5.1-1 when I the wajig line up there.

Put this line into /etc/apt/sources.list (you should have a similar one
for testing already, right?):

deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free

And these into (possibly a new file) /etc/apt/preferences:

Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 50

Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 990

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 50

Then execute these commands:

wajig update
wajig install/unstable gnumeric

You can use apt-get instead, but wajig has some nice features like those
of aptitude without the bugs (or whatever they are - the ones that delete
your whole system. Wajig won't do that.)

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Gnumeric

[Zuthos]

Bonjours,
J'ai un petit soucis avec gnumeric.
Je précise que j'ai fait un apt-get upgrade.
C'est suite a cette oppération que le pb est apparus.
Voici ce que me donne la tentative de lancement du logiciel:
~$ gnumeric
gnumeric: symbol lookup error: gnumeric: undefined symbol: cell_formats

Si quelqu'un peut me mettre sur la voie
merci d'avance

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Re: Gnumeric

[Frédéric Bothamy]

* Zuthos [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-09-22 13:56] :
 Bonjours,
 J'ai un petit soucis avec gnumeric.
 Je précise que j'ai fait un apt-get upgrade.
 C'est suite a cette oppération que le pb est apparus.
 Voici ce que me donne la tentative de lancement du logiciel:
 ~$ gnumeric
 gnumeric: symbol lookup error: gnumeric: undefined symbol: cell_formats
 
 Si quelqu'un peut me mettre sur la voie

L'explication se trouve dans le bogue 329345
(http://bugs.debian.org/329345). Tu peux utiliser la version d'unstable
si tu as vraiment besoin de Gnumeric ou tu peux attendre que la version
d'unstable passe dans testing (d'après
http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnumeric, il manque le
paquet pour m68k (mais celui-ci semble avoir été compilé d'après
buildd.debian.org) et il y a un problème avec libgsf sur powerpc (il
faudrait probablement que le responsable du paquet demande une nouvelle
compilation sur cette architecture car tout semble en ordre sur
libglib2.0-0)).


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[Resolu (enfin presque)]Re: Gnumeric

[Zuthos]

Frédéric Bothamy a écrit :
| L'explication se trouve dans le bogue 329345
| (http://bugs.debian.org/329345). Tu peux utiliser la version d'unstable
| si tu as vraiment besoin de Gnumeric ou tu peux attendre que la version
| d'unstable passe dans testing (d'après
| http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnumeric, il manque le
| paquet pour m68k (mais celui-ci semble avoir été compilé d'après
| buildd.debian.org) et il y a un problème avec libgsf sur powerpc (il
| faudrait probablement que le responsable du paquet demande une nouvelle
| compilation sur cette architecture car tout semble en ordre sur
| libglib2.0-0)).
| 

Effectivement, j'en ai besoins imédiatement pour mes comptes personnels :-(
Le passage en unstable a effectivement resolu le PB

Merci encore

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Re: gog-guru.glade and gnumeric

[Kevin Mark]

On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 10:26:22AM +0200, Gerard Robin wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I installed successfully gnumeric Version: 1.5.1-1 ( with dpkg -i )
 
 apt-get -f install is ok
 
 However when I want to create a diagram I get the message:
 
 immpossible to open the file:
 /local/gnome/head/test/share/goffice/0.0.1/glade/gog-guru.glade
 
 Which package I have to installed to get the file gog-guru.glade ?
 
 TIA
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Hi Gerard,
'apt-cache search goffice' found:

aspell-bg - Bulgarian dictionary for aspell
ibulgarian - The Bulgarian dictionary for ispell
libgoffice-1 - Document centric objects library - runtime files
libgoffice-1-common - Document centric objects library - common files
libgoffice-1-dbg - Document centric objects library - debugging files
libgoffice-1-dev - Document centric objects library - runtime files
myspell-bg - The Bulgarian dictionary for myspell
wbulgarian - The Bulgarian dictionary words for /usr/share/dict

my guess is that you need: libgoffice-common and libgoffice-1.
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Re: gog-guru.glade and gnumeric

[Gerard Robin]

On Fri, May 20, 2005 at 04:42:44AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
 On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 10:26:22AM +0200, Gerard Robin wrote:
  Hello,
  
  I installed successfully gnumeric Version: 1.5.1-1 ( with dpkg -i )
  
  apt-get -f install is ok
  
  However when I want to create a diagram I get the message:
  
  immpossible to open the file:
  /local/gnome/head/test/share/goffice/0.0.1/glade/gog-guru.glade
  
  Which package I have to installed to get the file gog-guru.glade ?


 'apt-cache search goffice' found:
 
 libgoffice-1 - Document centric objects library - runtime files
 libgoffice-1-common - Document centric objects library - common files
 my guess is that you need: libgoffice-common and libgoffice-1.

dpkg -l | grep goffice
ii  libgoffice-1   0.0.1-1Document centric objects library - runtime f
ii  libgoffice-1-c 0.0.1-1Document centric objects library - common fi

I am silly, because,
apt-cache search  gog-guru.glade gives me:

/usr/share/goffice/0.0.1/glade/gog-guru.glade  

so I created the directory
/local/gnome/head/test/share/goffice/0.0.1/

and
ln -s   /usr/share/goffice/0.0.1/glade/  
/local/gnome/head/test/share/goffice/0.0.1/

did the trick.

Then insert-diagram gave me a nice dialog box but empty ;-)

I think the graphics are not available yet in this  gnumeric's version, but the
remainder is very nice.

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gog-guru.glade and gnumeric

[Gerard Robin]

Hello,

I installed successfully gnumeric Version: 1.5.1-1 ( with dpkg -i )

apt-get -f install is ok

However when I want to create a diagram I get the message:

immpossible to open the file:
/local/gnome/head/test/share/goffice/0.0.1/glade/gog-guru.glade

Which package I have to installed to get the file gog-guru.glade ?

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printing with gnumeric

[Aurélien Campéas]

Dear list,

Am I the only one for which gnumeric freezes whenever I try printing (or
just doing a preview) a sheet ? ... Experiences about that ? Thanks,
Aurélien. 


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Re: printing with gnumeric

[Aurélien Campéas]

Le mardi 03 mai 2005 à 14:01 +0200, Aurélien Campéas a écrit :
 Dear list,
 
 Am I the only one for which gnumeric freezes whenever I try printing (or
 just doing a preview) a sheet ? ... Experiences about that ? Thanks,
 Aurélien. 
 

Sorry, this is on SARGE, off course. The printer is a cups controlled
thing. Printing works fine otherwise (e.g with openoffice, lyx, etc.)

 
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Re: gnumeric et point décimal

[Alban Browaeys]

Le Wed, 06 Apr 2005 13:33:40 +0200, Laurent Martelli a écrit :

 Vincent == Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Vincent Bonjour,
   Vincent On 2005-04-05 15:10:32 +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
Même quand je mets LC_NUMERIC=C, lorsque je lance gnumeric depuis
un menu gnome, le point décimal est une virgule.

Si je le lance depuis un xterm, j'ai bien mon point.

Y a-t-il un truc pour que gnome passe cette valeur aux
applications ?
 
 
 Si tu lances par le menu Gnome, les variables d'environnement que tu
 positionne dans ton shell n'ont aucun effet. 

Pour le menu (contexte X et non shell ) la configuraiton de
l'environnement se fait par /etc/environment (param=val)ou ajouter un
script dans /etc/X11/Xsession.d (export param=val) (s'applique sur tout
les utilisateurs).
SI tu veux une configuration par utilisateur récupère le script
/etc/Xsession.d/40xfree86-common_user-xsession du âcket m17n-env.
Après il suffit de créer ~/.xsession.d/ et d'y placer des scripts de
type .profile (même syntaxe que les shells).

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Re: gnumeric et point décimal

[Vincent Lefevre]

Bonjour,

On 2005-04-05 15:10:32 +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
 Même quand je mets LC_NUMERIC=C, lorsque je lance gnumeric depuis un  
 menu gnome, le point décimal est une virgule.
 
 Si je le lance depuis un xterm, j'ai bien mon point.
 
 Y a-t-il un truc pour que gnome passe cette valeur aux applications ?  

GNOME change des locales en interne (par exemple, il passe en UTF-8);
c'est peut-être aussi le cas de LC_NUMERIC. À vérifier, par exemple
en lançant un xterm depuis un menu GNOME (si tes fichiers d'init
perso ne rechangent pas eux-mêmes les locales).

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Re: gnumeric et point décimal

[Laurent Martelli]

 Vincent == Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Vincent Bonjour,
  Vincent On 2005-04-05 15:10:32 +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
   Même quand je mets LC_NUMERIC=C, lorsque je lance gnumeric depuis
   un menu gnome, le point décimal est une virgule.
   
   Si je le lance depuis un xterm, j'ai bien mon point.
   
   Y a-t-il un truc pour que gnome passe cette valeur aux
   applications ?

  Vincent GNOME change des locales en interne (par exemple, il passe
  Vincent en UTF-8); c'est peut-être aussi le cas de LC_NUMERIC. À
  Vincent vérifier, par exemple en lançant un xterm depuis un menu
  Vincent GNOME (si tes fichiers d'init perso ne rechangent pas
  Vincent eux-mêmes les locales).

Si tu lances par le menu Gnome, les variables d'environnement que tu
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Re: gnumeric et point décimal

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

Le 06.04.2005 12:34:44, Vincent Lefevre a écrit :
Bonjour,
On 2005-04-05 15:10:32 +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
 Même quand je mets LC_NUMERIC=C, lorsque je lance gnumeric depuis un
 menu gnome, le point décimal est une virgule.

 Si je le lance depuis un xterm, j'ai bien mon point.

 Y a-t-il un truc pour que gnome passe cette valeur aux applications
?
GNOME change des locales en interne (par exemple, il passe en UTF-8);
c'est peut-être aussi le cas de LC_NUMERIC. À vérifier, par exemple
en lançant un xterm depuis un menu GNOME (si tes fichiers d'init
perso ne rechangent pas eux-mêmes les locales).
Avec mon .zshrc, j'ai [EMAIL PROTECTED] pour tout sauf LC_NUMERIC qui est à 
C
En supprimant ce fichier, j'ai tout, y compris LC_NUMERIC à [EMAIL PROTECTED]
La question est alors : comment forcer gnome à mettre autre chose.  
Genre choix des paramètres régionaux.

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Re: gnumeric et point décimal

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

Le 06.04.2005 14:34:11, François TOURDE a écrit :
Le 12879ième jour après Epoch,
Jean-Luc Coulon écrivait:
 Le 06.04.2005 12:34:44, Vincent Lefevre a écrit :
 Bonjour,

 On 2005-04-05 15:10:32 +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
  Même quand je mets LC_NUMERIC=C, lorsque je lance gnumeric depuis
un

  menu gnome, le point décimal est une virgule.
 
  Si je le lance depuis un xterm, j'ai bien mon point.
 
  Y a-t-il un truc pour que gnome passe cette valeur aux
applications
 ?

 GNOME change des locales en interne (par exemple, il passe en
UTF-8);
 c'est peut-être aussi le cas de LC_NUMERIC. À vérifier, par exemple
 en lançant un xterm depuis un menu GNOME (si tes fichiers d'init
 perso ne rechangent pas eux-mêmes les locales).

 Avec mon .zshrc, j'ai [EMAIL PROTECTED] pour tout sauf LC_NUMERIC qui est à
C
 En supprimant ce fichier, j'ai tout, y compris LC_NUMERIC à
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 La question est alors : comment forcer gnome à mettre autre chose.
 Genre choix des paramètres régionaux.
Tu peux par exemple modifier /etc/default/gdm, si c'est bien gdm que
tu utilises pour lancer ta session.
Non, ça, j'ai essayé. Ça ne change pas le comportement de gnome mais  
seulement celui de gdm.

Il y a aussi /etc/environment, mais je ne crois pas qu'il soit pris en
compte par gdm.
Pas mieux...
Une autre façon de faire: J'ai créé un fichier ~/.menu/grip-fr
contenant:
---8--8--8--8--8--8---
?package(grip):needs=X11 section=Apps/Sound\
  title=grip (locale) command=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/usr/bin/grip
---8--8--8--8--8--8---
Je crois que c'est la seule mmanière. Mais il devrait quand même y  
avoir la possibilité de changer ça... Même winwin le permet !

ce qui me permet de lancer Grip avec prise en compte des locales perso
plutôt que de l'UTF-8. J'ai donc 2 entrées de menu pour Grip.
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gnumeric et point décimal

[Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)]

Bonjour,
Même quand je mets LC_NUMERIC=C, lorsque je lance gnumeric depuis un  
menu gnome, le point décimal est une virgule.

Si je le lance depuis un xterm, j'ai bien mon point.
Y a-t-il un truc pour que gnome passe cette valeur aux applications ?  
(je crois que d'autres ont le même problème et c'est pafois pire : les  
greffons de gimp qui attendent des points et à qui on passe des  
virgules font parfois des choses étranges et psychédéliques).

Jean-Luc


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Sarge + gnumeric + cups

[Frederic Ferrere]

Bonjour,

un petit soucis avec gnumeric sur sarge après un apt-get update, apt-get 
dist-upgrade :
- Si cups fonctionne, gnumeric affiche un message d'erreur et ne se lance pas :
  (gnumeric:30838): GnomePrintCupsPlugin-WARNING **: iconv does not support ppd 
character encoding: ISOLatin1, trying CSISOLatin1

- Si cups est arrete gnumeric se lance correctement

Merci.

Cordialement,

Frédéric

Change gnumeric splash screen?

[Victor Munoz]

I recently did an upgrade of my sid system, and got gnumeric 1.3.93. Fine,
except that I don't really like the splash screen. I usually don't mind, but
in this particular case, it is a stock market image, with Kennedy
assassination references... I'm not in business, I'm Chilean, none of the
symbols there mean much to me and it made me think it could be the same for
most users in the world (please, I don't want to offend anyone, just my view
as someone far from this cultural background). But the splash screen
doesn't seem to be configurable. 'info gnumeric', 'locate splash' or 'dpkg
-L gnumeric', or browsing the gnumeric website, didn't give me a clue
(except 'gnumeric --no-splash').

Ideas? That's the way it is?

Victor



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Pb doc gnumeric

[Alexandre gerussi]

Salut à tous,

je n'arrive pas à consulter la doc sur gnumeric 1.2.
J'ai lu le Readme.Debian à ce propos: le package gnumeric-doc est 
installé et yelp aussi (et fonctionne).

Lorsque j'appelle Aide/contenu, yelp s'ouvre et m'affiche
erreur: le document sélectionné ne peut être ouvert.

Problème classique ? Solution ?

Merci d'avance.

Gnumeric dziwny problem

[Wawrzyniec Niewodniczański]

Witam

Dostaje taki dziwny problem błąd:

(gnumeric:15291): GnomePrintCupsPlugin-WARNING **: iconv does not support
ppd character encoding: ISOLatin1, trying CSISOLatin1


Zasadniczo nie robiłem nic ciekawe z gnumericiem. Raz go odpaliłem skryptem
gnumer:

#!/bin/bash
export LC_NUMERIC=C
gnumeric

Wcześniej używałem gnumera i wszystko było ok.

Macie pomysł co się stało.


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Re: Papersize in Gnumeric/Abiword

[Hans Gubitz]

/etc/papersize is already set to a4


On Fri, Sep 17, 2004 at 07:08:36PM -0500, John Burnett wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 02:30:25PM +0200, Hans Gubitz wrote:
  Hi,
  
  how can I manage to make A4 the papersize in gnumeric or abiword?
  
  -  As a single user?
  -  For the whole system?
 Hello Hans,
 /etc/papersize ??? I don't use abiword. I think this is what I did
 when I set up Gnumeric.

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Re: Papersize in Gnumeric/Abiword

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On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 14:30:25 +0200, Hans Gubitz wrote:
 how can I manage to make A4 the papersize in gnumeric or abiword?

 -  As a single user?

In gnumeric, it's supposed to work like this:
File - Page Setup - Paper size - pick A4
and then select the
Save as default settings
above the OK button and then
OK
This adjusts the value for the /apps/gnumeric/printsetup/printer-config
gconf key.

Unfortunately, 1.2.x doesn't pick up this value again on startup. This is
fixed in gnumeric 1.3.90 which is currently in project/experimental.

 -  For the whole system?

Set the the value for /apps/gnumeric/printsetup/printer-config system-wide;
see http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ for information on GConf.

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Re: Papersize in Gnumeric/Abiword

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On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 02:30:25PM +0200, Hans Gubitz wrote:
 Hi,
 
 how can I manage to make A4 the papersize in gnumeric or abiword?
 
 -  As a single user?
 -  For the whole system?
 
 Hans Gubitz
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Hello Hans,
/etc/papersize ??? I don't use abiword. I think this is what I did
when I set up Gnumeric.

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Hi,

how can I manage to make A4 the papersize in gnumeric or abiword?

-  As a single user?
-  For the whole system?

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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

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Richard Lyons wrote:
 On Monday 06 September 2004 21:43, Paul Gear wrote:
 [...]
 
I have another criteria which you may or may not find relevant: is it
cross-platform.  This is a critical issue to me, because i need to be
able to recommend the tool to the end users i support, and most of them
still use Windows or Mac.  Therefore, if there is a cross-platform
solution that works (i.e. OpenOffice.org), i recommend it.  I do the
same with browsers and email (Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird).
 
 
 But gnumeric can read and write excel format files, so less of a problem...

That's not the point.  Gnumeric isn't natively cross-platform.  OOo and
the Mozilla suite are.

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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[Adam Funk]

On Monday 06 September 2004 16:50, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:

 Hi all
My intention is not to start a flamewar but to get opinions on
 which spreadsheet software is better? While having choice is better, I
 would prefer to start with one and stick to it if possible. In
 particular I am looking for

I find that Gnumeric launches a lot faster and runs a bit faster than
OOCalc, but the graphing in OOCalc is a lot better.  So I use the
latter if I need graphs, otherwise the former.


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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

I don't think gnumeric is cross-platform (easily cross platformed, maybe with cygwin) 
whereas Openoffice is (click and install).  I use Excel everyday and in combination
with VBA and other programs like SPSS and powerpoint.

I have to admit that I haven't played much with OO macros and not at all with
gnumeric.  At a glance, under tools, OOCalc has a macro language and gnumeric
does not appear to have one.

Both will allow simple import/export to Excel.  Some formatting will change
when importing from Excel to OOCalc.  Could be wrong but I don't imagine
you would want to import/export macros.  Macros would  probably lose their 
functionality.

OOCalc is part of an office suite so I imagine (maybe incorrectly) that the
macro language will allow write/spreadsheet/presentation cross manipulation
--i.e. cut and paste macro from Calc to Writer..., pasting spreadsheet from
oocalc to presentation ...   without using a third party language like 
perl/python.  

Granted, as a statistician, my needs are far above those of most normal
users and my guess is that for most users either gnumeric or oocalc will
work nicely.

I think you have given me a reason to spend more time learning a bit about
scripting capabilities of these two packages :-)

Lance











 Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
  Hi all
 My intention is not to start a flamewar but to get opinions on
  which spreadsheet software is better? While having choice is better, I
  would prefer to start with one and stick to it if possible. In
  particular I am looking for
  
  1) things which can be done in one but cant be done in another?
  
  2) Which is better compatible with microsoft excel?
  
  3) which requires more memory, speed, other performance aspects?
  
  4) which is being actively developed and has good documentation?
  
  5) Any better spreadsheet programs out there which I have not looked at?
  
  6) Enable some sort of scripting along with gui?
 
 I have another criteria which you may or may not find relevant: is it
 cross-platform.  This is a critical issue to me, because i need to be
 able to recommend the tool to the end users i support, and most of them
 still use Windows or Mac.  Therefore, if there is a cross-platform
 solution that works (i.e. OpenOffice.org), i recommend it.  I do the
 same with browsers and email (Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird).
 
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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)]

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 17:33:10 -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote:
 He meant will gnumeric run on windows

Windows builds are possible now, but a lot still needs to be done; see e.g.
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnumeric-list/2004-September/msg00011.html

 or mac...

http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/gnumeric

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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:59:48 +0100, Richard Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 06 September 2004 21:43, Paul Gear wrote:
 [...]
 
  I have another criteria which you may or may not find relevant: is it
  cross-platform.  This is a critical issue to me, because i need to be
  able to recommend the tool to the end users i support, and most of them
  still use Windows or Mac.  Therefore, if there is a cross-platform
  solution that works (i.e. OpenOffice.org), i recommend it.  I do the
  same with browsers and email (Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird).
 
 But gnumeric can read and write excel format files, so less of a problem...
 
 --
 richard

Thanks for  all the opinions. They have been very useful.
Cross-platform performance is important to me in a different sense.
Let's say my clients are excel-only-users and I am a debian-user. We
will be exchanging data periodically with changes committed to the
file at each time (client will add some data and I will additional
data as time progresses).

Looks like the best way to achieve this is to export the data from
gnumeric into excel spreadsheet and pass it on. Thanks a lot for all
the feedback.

Another thing I noticed with gnumeric, oocalc is that oocalc seems to
have more keyboard shortcuts than gnumeric. For example, there are
commands like Alt+arrow to change the column width, height and
Alt+Shift+arrow to optimize width/height of a column in oocalc. I was
not able to find equivalent commands in gnumeric. But this is a minor
advantage I guess...

Apologies if I break the threads. I am using gmail to read the mailing
list and it is a bit clumsy with the conversation view as opposed to
the thread view.

regards
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gnumeric or oocalc

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

Hi all
   My intention is not to start a flamewar but to get opinions on
which spreadsheet software is better? While having choice is better, I
would prefer to start with one and stick to it if possible. In
particular I am looking for

1) things which can be done in one but cant be done in another?

2) Which is better compatible with microsoft excel?

3) which requires more memory, speed, other performance aspects?

4) which is being actively developed and has good documentation?

5) Any better spreadsheet programs out there which I have not looked at?

6) Enable some sort of scripting along with gui?

thanks for the answers
raju


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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 03:41:16PM +, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
 Hi all
My intention is not to start a flamewar but to get opinions on
 which spreadsheet software is better? While having choice is better, I
 would prefer to start with one and stick to it if possible. In
 particular I am looking for
 
 1) things which can be done in one but cant be done in another?
 
 2) Which is better compatible with microsoft excel?

gnumeric was recommended as better than excel in some article(google for
it). It was shown to be compatible. Not sure about the 'macro' language?

 
 3) which requires more memory, speed, other performance aspects?
 
 4) which is being actively developed and has good documentation?

gnumeric is part of gnome and OO is a sun related project.
They have different goals.

 
 5) Any better spreadsheet programs out there which I have not looked at?

It depends on the application. Maybe you dont need a spreadsheet as it
is one tool for data storage and manipulation. There are many math
programs like R, octave, etc. More or less a spreadsheet provides a good
gui and good general manipulation tool. 

 
 6) Enable some sort of scripting along with gui?

Both OO and gnumeric have some but I've never had a change to use them.


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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)]

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 15:41:16 +, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
My intention is not to start a flamewar but to get opinions on
 which spreadsheet software is better?

As the maintainer of the Debian packages for gnumeric, I'm not the most
objective source of information. Still, you may find these remarks useful.

 While having choice is better, I would prefer to start with one and stick
 to it if possible. In particular I am looking for
 
 1) things which can be done in one but cant be done in another?

AFAIK Gnumeric has more extensive support for specialised areas like
statistical analysis and financial analysis.

Gnumeric can import encrypted Excel sheets; oocalc can't AFAIK.

Oocalc has spellcheck functionality; Gnumeric doesn't.

 2) Which is better compatible with microsoft excel?

Excel compatibility is very important for Gnumeric, and it receives plenty
of attention. Examples include the conservation of Excel macros when loading
and saving in Gnumeric and the development of a separate library, libgsf,
for handling structured files, including MS OLE. libgsf is now being used
by other applications like Abiword and Kword.

 3) which requires more memory, speed, other performance aspects?

OpenOffice appears to be much more resource hungry than Gnumeric, at least
for a simple test case. I have a simple sheet with some tax related data in
it. Running gnumeric on it results in 5 threads, consuming approximately
19MB; running oocalc on it results in 6 threads, consuming approximately
56MB.

As for accuracy, http://www.csdassn.org/software_reports/gnumeric.pdf should
inspire some confidence as to gnumeric's developers' careful attention to
accuracy.

Occasionally I get the impression that in OpenOffice, attention is typically
focused on getting things to work well for normal cases, and that corners
are often cut when it comes to special cases.

 4) which is being actively developed and has good documentation?

OpenOffice is backed by major commercial players like Sun and Novell;
undoubtedly it is under active development. I'm not familiar with its
documentation.

Gnumeric is being actively developed (see e.g.
http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnumeric/ChangeLog?sortby=dateview=markup); it
currently includes some 4.6MB of English language documentation in DocBook
XML format.

 5) Any better spreadsheet programs out there which I have not looked at?

Not that I'm aware of, at least not free software ones. Kcalc, sc, Oleo etc.
are much more limited than oocalc and gnumeric.

 6) Enable some sort of scripting along with gui?

There is quite a bit of infrastructure in place in Gnumeric to prepare for
scripting (in particular using Python), but it is not yet at a point where
it is easily usable for end users.

HTH,
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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[Paul Gear]

Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
 Hi all
My intention is not to start a flamewar but to get opinions on
 which spreadsheet software is better? While having choice is better, I
 would prefer to start with one and stick to it if possible. In
 particular I am looking for
 
 1) things which can be done in one but cant be done in another?
 
 2) Which is better compatible with microsoft excel?
 
 3) which requires more memory, speed, other performance aspects?
 
 4) which is being actively developed and has good documentation?
 
 5) Any better spreadsheet programs out there which I have not looked at?
 
 6) Enable some sort of scripting along with gui?

I have another criteria which you may or may not find relevant: is it
cross-platform.  This is a critical issue to me, because i need to be
able to recommend the tool to the end users i support, and most of them
still use Windows or Mac.  Therefore, if there is a cross-platform
solution that works (i.e. OpenOffice.org), i recommend it.  I do the
same with browsers and email (Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird).

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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[Carlos Sousa]

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:28:04 +0200 J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:

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That's cool! I usualy use my knees, but I'll be sure to try it
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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[Richard Lyons]

On Monday 06 September 2004 21:43, Paul Gear wrote:
[...]
 
 I have another criteria which you may or may not find relevant: is it
 cross-platform.  This is a critical issue to me, because i need to be
 able to recommend the tool to the end users i support, and most of them
 still use Windows or Mac.  Therefore, if there is a cross-platform
 solution that works (i.e. OpenOffice.org), i recommend it.  I do the
 same with browsers and email (Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird).

But gnumeric can read and write excel format files, so less of a problem...

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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[Mike Fedyk]

Richard Lyons wrote:
On Monday 06 September 2004 21:43, Paul Gear wrote:
[...]
 

I have another criteria which you may or may not find relevant: is it
cross-platform.  This is a critical issue to me, because i need to be
able to recommend the tool to the end users i support, and most of them
still use Windows or Mac.  Therefore, if there is a cross-platform
solution that works (i.e. OpenOffice.org), i recommend it.  I do the
same with browsers and email (Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird).
   

But gnumeric can read and write excel format files, so less of a problem...
He meant will gnumeric run on windows or mac...
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Re: gnumeric or oocalc

[Greg Madden]

On Monday 06 September 2004 07:41 am, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
 Hi all
My intention is not to start a flamewar but to get opinions on
 which spreadsheet software is better? While having choice is better,
 I would prefer to start with one and stick to it if possible. In
 particular I am looking for

 1) things which can be done in one but cant be done in another?

 2) Which is better compatible with microsoft excel?

 3) which requires more memory, speed, other performance aspects?

 4) which is being actively developed and has good documentation?

 5) Any better spreadsheet programs out there which I have not looked
 at?

 6) Enable some sort of scripting along with gui?

 thanks for the answers
 raju

Not sure ow this affects resource usage. Gnumeric is one app but  has 
many gnome depends, so you would have to include all those in a 
comparison, OO.calc is part of a office suite, albeit a large one.

I like the way Abiword has a GTK version, less depends than a gnome 
version, imho.
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pas d'aide avec gnumeric

[Dominic]

hi

hi

j'ai installé gnumeric et gnumeric-doc sur une srage à partir des 
paquets debian

quande je demande l'aide (F1) à partir de gnumeric, je n(obtients rien
que dois-je faire?
où est le pb?
merci d'avance
regards
dominic

Re: pas d'aide avec gnumeric

[J.Pierre Pourrez]

Le 22/08/04 à 16:56, Dominic écrivait:

 hi
 
 hi
Ho !

 j'ai installé gnumeric et gnumeric-doc sur une srage à partir des 
 paquets debian
 quande je demande l'aide (F1) à partir de gnumeric, je n(obtients rien
 que dois-je faire?
Chercher plus loin ;-)

La doc est dans un paquet séparé: gnumeric-doc

Bye 
Jean-Pierre

Re: pas d'aide avec gnumeric

[Dominic]

hi

J.Pierre Pourrez a écrit :
j'ai installé gnumeric et gnumeric-doc sur une sarge à partir des 
paquets debian	



La doc est dans un paquet séparé: gnumeric-doc


je l'ai installée mais je ne l'obtient pas à partir de l'interface de 
gnumeric


que faire?

regards
dominic

Re: pas d'aide avec gnumeric

[Dominic]

hi

j'ai résolu le pb en installant yelp

regards
dominic

Re: Gnumeric

[Flávio Menezes dos Reis]

Em Qua, 2004-07-28 às 13:32, José Adilson escreveu:
 Prezados Senhores,
 
 Me desculpem pela pergunta óbvia mas procurei no Google e não achei a 
 resposta: Qual o número máximo de linhas no Gnumeric?.
 Muito Obrigado
 
 José Adilson

O meu gnumeric vai até 65536 linhas...

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Gnumeric

[José Adilson]

Prezados Senhores,

Me desculpem pela pergunta óbvia mas procurei no Google e não achei a 
resposta: Qual o número máximo de linhas no Gnumeric?.

Muito Obrigado

José Adilson

Re: Gnumeric

[mtgontijo]

Você pode procurar na documentação oficial do programa, ou até mesmo no
código fonte.

Nem sempre o google é a melhor saída para tudo.:-)

Aos idos de Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:32:47 -0300 eu sonhei que
José Adilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] me dizia:

 Prezados Senhores,
 
 Me desculpem pela pergunta óbvia mas procurei no Google e não achei a 
 resposta: Qual o número máximo de linhas no Gnumeric?.
 Muito Obrigado
 
 José Adilson
 
 
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gnumeric Fatal error

[Marvin Gerardo Aguero Salazar]

Hi guys,

I just installed (via apt-get install) gnumeric, but it crashes when I
run it.

It displays the following error:

   Fatal error: Cannot allocate memory

Is this the correct list to report this?

What other information can I supply?

I am running sarge (I think).

Perhaps, part of the problem is that I started out with the basic
packages. By mistake I didn't select any packages during the
installation, so I've been installing packages as I need them.

I had to manually install Xlibs and all that, so I may be missing some
packages, although, apt-get should take care of it. I think!

TIA,

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Re: gnumeric Fatal error

[Stephen Patterson]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:00:08 +0200, Marvin Gerardo Aguero Salazar wrote:
 I just installed (via apt-get install) gnumeric, but it crashes when I
 run it.
 
 It displays the following error:
 
Fatal error: Cannot allocate memory

It runs in sid, I've had to uprgrade for just this reason.

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Gnumeric in sarge installieren

[Pierre Gillmann]

Hi,

da gnumeric in sarge ja buggy ist, weil libcupsys-gnutls10 noch nicht in
sarge sind, wollte ich fragen, ob es einen Workaround bzw. alte Version
von gnumeric, die unter sarge funktioniert, gibt? Wenn ich
libcupsys-gnutls10 in sarge installieren will, so würde ich weite Teile
meines Systemes zerstören.

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Re: Gnumeric in sarge installieren

[Andreas Metzler]

Pierre Gillmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 da gnumeric in sarge ja buggy ist, weil libcupsys-gnutls10 noch nicht in
 sarge sind, wollte ich fragen, ob es einen Workaround bzw. alte Version
 von gnumeric, die unter sarge funktioniert, gibt?
[...]

Zitathttp://bugs.debian.org/255926
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/06/msg02883.html lists workarounds.
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Re: Gnumeric in sarge installieren

[Helmut Wollmersdorfer]

Andreas Metzler schrieb:
 or
- install libcupsys2-gnutls10 and libgnomeprint2.2-0 from sid.
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Das hat jedenfalls bei mir gut funktioniert und ich hab jetzt Gnumeric 
1.2.13 seit voriger Woche.

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Re: Gnumeric in sarge installieren

[Pierre Gillmann]

Hi,

 Zitathttp://bugs.debian.org/255926
 http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/06/msg02883.html lists workarounds.
 /Zitat
 --
 If you can do without printing via CUPS,
   rm /usr/lib/libgnomeprint/2.4.2/modules/libgnomeprintcups.so,
 else
 - wait for the cupsys transition to happen in sarge (see
   http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnumeric) or
 - install libcupsys2-gnutls10 and libgnomeprint2.2-0 from sid.
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Das hab ich auch gelesen.

 Wen beidess fuer dich nicht in Frage kommt, kannst du nur warten. - Es
 ist recht wahrscheinlich, dass libcupsys-gnutls10 uebermorgen
 bereinigt ist. Momentan haengt es nur an qt3, das ist
 * erst drei Tage alt (5 sind noetig)
 * noch nicht auf m68k verfuegbar.
Naja ich versuche es halt. Wenn es wirklich schon übermorgen bereinigt
ist, wäre das Klasse ;) Aber es zieht eine Menge broken packages und so
mit sich, wenn sich abiword dadurch nicht zerschießt, ist alles oki.

 Der m68k buildd baut laut
 http://www.buildd.net/cgi/package_status?m68k_pkg=qt-x11-freesearchtype=go
 schon seit 1. Juli daran, ich hoffe da ist nichts schiefgelaufen.
Hoffen wir mal, ich habs schon mit einer älteren Version versucht, ging
ja auch nicht, ergo muss es ja eh an libgnomeprint2.2-0 liegen. Ich
schaue mir alles mal in Ruhe an und dann schauen wir weiter.

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Gnumeric in Testing.

[Keith O'Connell]

Hi,

Is gnumeric in testing sick? I reinstalled a machine last
weekend and gnumeric is not loading, just generating the error
message

Fatal error: Cannot allocate memory

All the dependencies appear to be met when I look at the
gnumeric entry in aptitude.

So, is it sick in testing, and the solution is on it's way, or
do I have a local problem all of my own? Anyone?

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Re: Gnumeric in Testing.

[J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)]

On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 12:27:48 +0100, Keith O'Connell wrote:
 So, is it sick in testing, and the solution is on it's way, or
 do I have a local problem all of my own?

Time to teach some fishing, I guess.

Basically what you're asking seems to be am I experiencing a known bug?,
the counter-question to which is have you checked out the Debian
bugtracking system (http://bugs.debian.org/)?

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Re: Gnumeric in Testing.

[Chris Metzler]

On 29 Jun 2004 12:27:48 +0100
Keith O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Is gnumeric in testing sick? I reinstalled a machine last
 weekend and gnumeric is not loading, just generating the error
 message
 
 Fatal error: Cannot allocate memory
 
 All the dependencies appear to be met when I look at the
 gnumeric entry in aptitude.
 
 So, is it sick in testing, and the solution is on it's way, or
 do I have a local problem all of my own? Anyone?

What did you find when you checked the bug list for gnumeric?

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Re: Gnumeric in Testing.

[William Ballard]

 Keith O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Fatal error: Cannot allocate memory

Try running it under gdb.


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Re: Gnumeric broken in sarge ?

[J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 07:16:48 +0200, Tim Timmerman wrote:
   I did my usual apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade last saturday,
   and discovered that gnumeric wouldn't run anymore. The only message
   printed is:
   
   Cannot allocate memory.

Most likely the gnumeric process is being loaded against both gnutls7 and
gnutls10. 

Sarge's base GNOME libraries are now GNOME 2.6 ones linked against gnutls10,
but it still has a libgnomeprint linked against a libcupsys2 linked against
gnutls7.

   I've tried rebuilding the package from scratch, and reinstalling it,
   but that didn't make any difference.

That's because the problem isn't in gnumeric itself, but rather the result
of a conflict among gnumeric's dependencies.

   Anyone have any suggestions ?

If you can do without printing via CUPS,
rm /usr/lib/libgnomeprint/2.4.2/modules/libgnomeprintcups.so,
else
- wait for the cupsys transition to happen in sarge (see
  http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnumeric) or
- install libcupsys2-gnutls10 and libgnomeprint2.2-0 from sid.

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Re: Gnumeric broken in sarge ?

[Tim Timmerman]

 J == J H M Dassen (Ray) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

snip
 Anyone have any suggestions ?

 If you can do without printing via CUPS,
   rm /usr/lib/libgnomeprint/2.4.2/modules/libgnomeprintcups.so,
 else
 - wait for the cupsys transition to happen in sarge (see
   http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gnumeric) or
 - install libcupsys2-gnutls10 and libgnomeprint2.2-0 from sid.
  Tried the last solution. This brought in a ton of other stuff, but
  it did fix the problem.

 Thanks,
TimT.

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Gnumeric broken in sarge ?

[Tim Timmerman]

Hi,

  I did my usual apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade last saturday,
  and discovered that gnumeric wouldn't run anymore. The only message
  printed is:
  
  Cannot allocate memory.

  This is mildly annoying, since I kep some essential dat ain a
  gnumeric spreadsheet. ( I do keep a woody install around, so all is
  not lost ;-)

  (By the way: bugbuddy sees to be broken too: just hangs trying to
  collect data .)

  I've tried rebuilding the package from scratch, and reinstalling it,
  but that didn't make any difference.

  Anyone have any suggestions ?

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Re: Gnumeric broken in sarge ?

[Chris Metzler]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:16:48 +0200
Tim Timmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
   I did my usual apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade last saturday,
   and discovered that gnumeric wouldn't run anymore. The only message
   printed is:
   
   Cannot allocate memory.
 
   This is mildly annoying, since I kep some essential dat ain a
   gnumeric spreadsheet. ( I do keep a woody install around, so all is
   not lost ;-)

[ snip ]

   Anyone have any suggestions ?

Yes:  looking in the Debian BTS to see whether such a bug has been
reported for the version of gnumeric you're running, and what that
bug report might say about possible resolutions.

(hint hint)

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importing gnumeric spreadsheets into abiword (woody)

[A. F. Cano]

Greetings,

Is there an easy way (or any way at all) to import gnumeric spreadsheets
into abiword files? (abiword 1.0.2, gnumeric 1.0.8, woody 3.0r2)  The
only common file format for import/export between these seems to be
plain ascii, and using that not even the spacings are preserved and I
need to manually add spaces to line up the columns, it's a royal pain in
the behind.

I've tried going through openoffice.org 1.1, importing the rtf output of
abiword into OO write (bulleted lists are lost) and importing the
windows 95 output of gnumeric into OO calc, but it seems it's not
possible to import something from OO calc into OO write.

There has to be a way, right? With some plug-in?  I need to do this
importing repeatedly (preferably gnumeric - abiword, without additional
conversions that will require manual tweaking).

Any suggestions out there? Even if I have to re-input/convert both the
documents and spreadsheets, what pair of programs play nice together?

Thanks for any hints.

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Blocky images in Gnumeric

[Arend]

What is the best image format to use when inserting images into
gnumeric?

I was hoping the new version in testing would solve this for me, but I
still have very blocky (lowres?) images when printing out either to a
postscript file, or to the printer.


Here's what I've got installed:

~$ apt-show-versions |grep gnumeric
gnumeric 1.2.5-2 newer than version in archive
gnumeric-plugins-extra 1.2.5-2 newer than version in archive
gnumeric-doc 1.2.5-2 newer than version in archive
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[fora] Área de impressão no gnumeric

[Savio Ramos]

Olá,

Alguém sabe como se determina a área de impressão no gnumeric?

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Unstable,gnumeric text import

[Sebastian Canagaratna]

Hi:
   
I am using unstable. In the gnumeric File menu the import function
does not appear. This is present in the gnumeric in testing. Could
somebody enlighten me as to what is wrong.

Thanks.

Sebastian Canagaratna


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Re: Unstable,gnumeric text import

[J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 14:32:38 -0400, Sebastian Canagaratna wrote:
I am using unstable. In the gnumeric File menu the import function does not
appear.

I'm behind an X-less box right now, so I can't properly check, but hasn't it
moved to Data - Get External Data - Import Text File?

(If not, using File - Open should allow you to configure enough for most
text import uses)

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Re: Datumsformat in gnumeric

[Elmar W. Tischhauser]

Hallo!

On 09 Sep 2003 at 14:02 +0200, Ruediger Noack wrote:

 Trotz aller Versuche mit LANG, LC_TIME und sogar LC_ALL kann ich kein
 deutsches Datumsformat wählen (keinen . als Trenner, nur '/' und
 '-').  Versucht habe ich es mit den Versionen 1.0.12-0.bunk und dann auch
 mit 1.1.20-0jds2 (unter Gnome-Backport 2.2).
 Wo muss ich drehen?

Als Gelegenheitsnutzer der Woody-Version (1.0.8-1t1) habe ich soeben
nachgesehen: Hier sieht es mit [EMAIL PROTECTED] genauso aus.

Eine Lösung wäre vielleicht ein benutzerdefiniertes Zellenformat, da
kannst du den Formatstring frei wählen.

 Zusatzfrage: Nach der Installation der Version 1.1.20-0jds2 habe ich
 unter gnumeric Probleme (werden nicht angeboten) mit
 Datei-/Verzeichnisnamen mit Umlauten. In der shell sehe ich solche
 Fehlermeldungen:
 
 -  snip 
 -
 ...
 Gtk-Message: The filename T\344tigkeitsberichte couldn't be converted
 to UTF-8 (try setting the environment variable G_BROKEN_FILENAMES):
 Invalid byte sequence in conversion input
 ...
 -  snip 
 -
 
 In meiner Umgebung stand und steht AFAIK jedoch nichts von UTF-8 *grübel*

Ich habe die GTK+-Entwicklung in letzter Zeit nicht verfolgt, aber seit
2.0 und Pango scheint sich GTK sehr auf UTF-8 ausgerichtet zu haben.
Ich habe hier den GPA 0.6.1 auch nur zur Verarbeitung von Dateien mit
Umlauten bewegen können, indem ich G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=1 gesetzt habe,
wie es in der Meldung ja auch empfohlen wird. Bessert sich die Situation
dann?

Gnumeric ist allerdings sehr lange eines der schlechter lokalisierten
Programme gewesen, im Quelltext waren da schon einmal
ISO-8859-1-Zeichensätze hartkodiert...

Gruß,
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Re: Datumsformat in gnumeric

[Ruediger Noack]

Moin Elmar

Elmar W. Tischhauser wrote:
On 09 Sep 2003 at 14:02 +0200, Ruediger Noack wrote:
Trotz aller Versuche mit LANG, LC_TIME und sogar LC_ALL kann ich kein
deutsches Datumsformat wählen (keinen . als Trenner, nur '/' und
'-').  Versucht habe ich es mit den Versionen 1.0.12-0.bunk und dann auch
mit 1.1.20-0jds2 (unter Gnome-Backport 2.2).
Eine Lösung wäre vielleicht ein benutzerdefiniertes Zellenformat, da
kannst du den Formatstring frei wählen.
So hatte ich mir dann auch geholfen, Als saubere Lösung erscheint mir 
dies aber nicht. :-(
Ich habe die GTK+-Entwicklung in letzter Zeit nicht verfolgt, aber seit
2.0 und Pango scheint sich GTK sehr auf UTF-8 ausgerichtet zu haben.
Ich habe hier den GPA 0.6.1 auch nur zur Verarbeitung von Dateien mit
Umlauten bewegen können, indem ich G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=1 gesetzt habe,
wie es in der Meldung ja auch empfohlen wird. Bessert sich die Situation
dann?
Auch das hatte geholfen. Aber auch hier kann ich den Sinn nicht 
erkennen, ISO-8859-1-codierte Dateinamen als broken zu bezeichnen. Von 
einer Version 1 habe ich eigentlich mehr erwartet und eher an meine 
Dummheit geglaubt. ;-)

Mir gelingt es übrigens auch nicht, in den Properties zum Menüpunkt bzw. 
dem panel launcher diese Variable zu setzen. Als globale Variable ist 
das doch sehr oversized. Also starte ich seitdem gnumeric aus der shell. 
Unelegant!

Gruß
Rüdiger
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Re: Datumsformat in gnumeric

[Elmar W. Tischhauser]

Hallo!

On 11 Sep 2003 at 18:53 +0200, Ruediger Noack wrote:

[Gnumeric und G_BROKEN_FILENAMES=1]
 Mir gelingt es übrigens auch nicht, in den Properties zum Menüpunkt bzw. 
 dem panel launcher diese Variable zu setzen. Als globale Variable ist 
 das doch sehr oversized. Also starte ich seitdem gnumeric aus der shell. 
 Unelegant!

So starte ich fast alle meine Programme. Es geht einfach schneller so
und das working directory stimmt gleich...

Aber zum Thema: Warum legst du nicht einfach ein Minishellskript nach
~/bin/gnumeric, in dem die Variable gesetzt und gnumeric aufgerufen wird
und machst einen Menüsystemeintrag dafür in ~/.menu/gnumeric? Danach
noch update-menus als Benutzer aufgerufen und der neue Eintrag sollte
den alten überschreiben.

Gruß,
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Datumsformat in gnumeric

[Ruediger Noack]

Moin moin

Trotz aller Versuche mit LANG, LC_TIME und sogar LC_ALL kann ich kein
deutsches Datumsformat wählen (keinen . als Trenner, nur '/' und
'-').  Versucht habe ich es mit den Versionen 1.0.12-0.bunk und dann auch
mit 1.1.20-0jds2 (unter Gnome-Backport 2.2).
Wo muss ich drehen?

Zusatzfrage: Nach der Installation der Version 1.1.20-0jds2 habe ich
unter gnumeric Probleme (werden nicht angeboten) mit
Datei-/Verzeichnisnamen mit Umlauten. In der shell sehe ich solche
Fehlermeldungen:

-  snip 
-
...
Gtk-Message: The filename T\344tigkeitsberichte couldn't be converted
to UTF-8 (try setting the environment variable G_BROKEN_FILENAMES):
Invalid byte sequence in conversion input
...
-  snip 
-

In meiner Umgebung stand und steht AFAIK jedoch nichts von UTF-8 *grübel*

Der in der Readme-Datei genannte Link zum gnumeric-ML-Archiv
http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/gnumeric-list/
ist tot. Kennt jemand eine Alternative?

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Defective Gnumeric cursor

[Kevin B. McCarty]

Hi,
Just started up Gnumeric (version from unstable: 1.1.19-1) for the first 
time in a while.  The Gnumeric cursor, the one that looks like a 
cross, appears to be deformed.  This isn't a problem with the app itself, 
because upon installing the gnumeric1.0 package instead (which is based on 
GTK+ 1.2 rather than 2.x), the cursor is still deformed in the same way.  

Anyone know what package contains this cursor that I should file a bug 
against?  (Where can I find images of the available system cursors, 
anyway?)

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definição de algumas fontes, GDM, gnumeric

[Ronaldo Reis Jr.]

Pessoal,

tem alguns aplicativos que eu não sei como setar o tipo de fonte.

Depois de uma atualização do sistema, a fonte do gdm, no campo de login, mudou 
e ficou super pequena, e as bolinhas que apareciam na senha se tornaram 
quadradoes extranhos. Como alterar esta fonte do campo de digetação do GDM?

Aproveitando, tem como adicionar comandos no GDM para interagir com o GRUB e 
reiniciar no sistema que eu quero? Assim:
Meu sistema default é Linux, mas de vez em quando eu tenho que usar o windows, 
dai tenho que ficar esperando o sistema reiniciar para selecionar o windows. 
Eu ja vi uma vez o KDM/lilo fazendo isto, vc mandava reiniciar no windows dai 
ele entrava direto no windows e depois ao reiniciar o windows ele ia direto 
para o Linux.

Como mudar a fonte defaut do gnumeric, ele usar por padrào helvetica 9, muito 
ruim, eu mudo, mas a cada linha adicionada tenho que ficar resetando a fonte. 
Eu não encontrei como alterar isto.

Inte
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Re: Kästchen u.a. in Gnumeric

[Johannes Rohr]

Jens Müller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Beim Starten kommt die Meldung:
 
 The font -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-67-iso8859-1 does not 
support all the required character sets for the current locale de_DE.UTF-8
   (Missing character set ISO10646-1)
 
 Daran wird es wohl liegen, oder?
 
 Wie kann ich das Programm davon abhalten, den Font zu benutzen?

/etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 nach Deinen Wünschen anpassen.

Hier bietet die aktuelle Entwicklerversion übrigens gewaltige
Vorteile, da sie, wie Gnome 2.x insgesamt, voll auf Unicode setzt

Ciao,

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Kästchen u.a. in Gnumeric

[Jens Müller]

Ich habe LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 gesetzt. Andere die Sprache etc. betreffende
Umgebungsvariablen gibt es nicht.

Ich benutze KDE, Zeichensatz ist iso-10646.

Nun zeigt gnumeric zwischen zwei Zeichen immer ein Kästchen an.

Beim Starten kommt die Meldung:

The font -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-67-iso8859-1 does not 
support all the required character sets for the current locale de_DE.UTF-8
  (Missing character set ISO10646-1)

Daran wird es wohl liegen, oder?

Wie kann ich das Programm davon abhalten, den Font zu benutzen?


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Helvetica bold Font in Gnumeric

[Dieter Faulbaum]

Hallo Debian User,

hat jemand eine Idee, wo ich `drehen' kann, damit ich (unter woody) in
gnumeric den Helvetica (und auch andere Fonts) in bold darstellen
kann? Weder auf dem Bildschirm noch auf dem Drucker bekomme ich das
auf diesem einen System zustande (was auf anderen Rechnern wunderbar
funktioniert).
Ich habe gnumeric schon mal `getraced' und finde dann dort nur
helvetica normal und kein bold.
Auszug:
writev(3, [{5\20\4\0\r\0\340\0\3\0\340\\\0007M\5\0\16\0\340..., 152}, 
{-*-helvetica-*-*-normal-*-0-*-*-..., 39}, {\0, 1}], 3) = 192
readv(3, [{9-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-norma..., 116}, {, 0}], 2) = 116
writev(3, [{1\20\20\0\1\0005\0, 8}, {-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-1..., 53}, 
{\0\0\0, 3}], 3) = 64
writev(3, [{1\20\20\0d\0005\0, 8}, {-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-1..., 53}, 
{\0\0\0, 3}], 3) = 64
writev(3, [{1\20\20\0\1\0005\0, 8}, {-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-1..., 53}
...

Ich habe auch schon mal (ohne Erfolg) probiert:
gnome-font-install -c -d -q -r -t -

und jetzt habe ich keine richtige Idee mehr.-(

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